Speaker 1: And so it is the twenty seventh day of August
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Here on the o'celly Effect. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Chuck o'helly, and we are being heard alive on American
Speaker 1: Freedom Radio at Americanfreedomradio dot com. I do appreciate you
Speaker 1: no matter how you are listening to this right now,
Speaker 1: whether it is further on down the stream or if
Speaker 1: you're catching us on one of the affiliate websites, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. You're all appreciated what I have for you tonight. Though,
Speaker 1: is well a serious rarity because in all the years
Speaker 1: that I've studied the JFK case, I must say that
Speaker 1: one of the individuals that I wanted to interview for
Speaker 1: probably a decade now is Abraham Bolden. Now, many of
Speaker 1: you may not have heard of Abraham Bolden. I'm learning
Speaker 1: that some things that I think are rather common knowledge
Speaker 1: are not so common among the general public. But interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: I mean I have seen mister Bolden on television. You
Speaker 1: may have heard him interviewed elsewhere, but I promise you
Speaker 1: this will not be exactly as you have seen him
Speaker 1: or heard him before, because well, I'm just an odd individual.
Speaker 1: So this is the way it will go. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you something, Even before we went on air, I
Speaker 1: even had to stop and question because I see him
Speaker 1: identified and I had this discussion off air, and I'll
Speaker 1: share it with you guys right now. You know, I
Speaker 1: said to myself, it is really odd to me that
Speaker 1: there is an assumption that he's automatically identified as an
Speaker 1: African American, you know, simply because of the complexion of
Speaker 1: his skin. And I wouldn't even bother to mention his
Speaker 1: ethnicity except that it does play a vital role in
Speaker 1: the story that we're about to tell you, Okay, And
Speaker 1: it turns out that mister Bolden is quite content with
Speaker 1: being understood as an African American individual. But you know,
Speaker 1: during the time I grew up, we did generally identify
Speaker 1: individuals of darker complexion as black. But I'm more than
Speaker 1: happy to say that mister Bolden is, you know, first
Speaker 1: of all, a man of principle and a man that
Speaker 1: I really want you to get to know tonight in
Speaker 1: a different sort of way, because this, to me, again
Speaker 1: is I don't know how to explain this one of
Speaker 1: the unsung American heroes in my estimation, who is not
Speaker 1: only do a pardon, but is also do an apology
Speaker 1: from the United States government. Okay, and we're going to
Speaker 1: find out why in a few minutes. How are you tonight,
Speaker 1: mister Bolden.
Speaker 2: Thank you Baron much for inviting me, Chuck, and I'm
Speaker 2: doing pretty good.
Speaker 1: Well. I am glad to hear it. Sarah. You know,
Speaker 1: it is a fascinating story, and there's so much to tell.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to give you a chance to
Speaker 1: explain to people how it is you got into law enforcement,
Speaker 1: because that seemed to be the profession that you found
Speaker 1: yourself in before joining the Secret Service. I wonder if
Speaker 1: you could kind of explain that and kind of give
Speaker 1: people an idea of how you wound up being the
Speaker 1: first Now, and again I'm not sure about this, the
Speaker 1: first African American who was a Secret Service agent or
Speaker 1: were you simply the first African American who was assigned
Speaker 1: to presidential detail.
Speaker 3: For Actually I was both because one of the other
Speaker 3: ones who was from the Police.
Speaker 2: Islands, who happened to be dark complexed, but he denied
Speaker 2: that he had anything in.
Speaker 3: The association with Negro Africa all black, So that would
Speaker 3: make me the first Secret Service agent black. Secret Service
Speaker 3: agent as I see it. Also, I'm not campaigning for
Speaker 3: that honor because I think that honor of having been
Speaker 3: the first black to be appointed to the Secret Service
Speaker 3: detailed in Washington and DC on the President John F.
Speaker 2: Kennedy. It's an award enough for me. It's a historical
Speaker 2: mark of benefit to my whole raige.
Speaker 1: Well. Absolutely, and this was a rarity at the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you were actually hands selected. But as
Speaker 1: I said, I would like to get into what it
Speaker 1: is that brought you into law enforcement, and you know,
Speaker 1: why is it that you chose that as a career
Speaker 1: or was it something that just happened.
Speaker 3: Well, Chuck, I grew up in a rough neighborhood down
Speaker 3: in southern Illinoisst. Saint Louis, Illinois, and things were with me,
Speaker 3: the racial situation and the condition of my people down.
Speaker 2: There, the crime that was going on.
Speaker 3: But I decided at an early age that I wanted
Speaker 3: to either become a lawyer or a musician. After I
Speaker 3: graduated from Lincoln University in Jefferson City, Missouri, having received a.
Speaker 2: Scholarship in music, I graduated with a BA.
Speaker 3: In composition, But my heart was really on police work,
Speaker 3: and they it came upon a chance, my wife happened
Speaker 3: to be reading these Saint Louis supposed to Dispatch UH
Speaker 3: and saw that pink the National Detective Agency.
Speaker 2: Was hiring new detectives.
Speaker 3: Of course, Pinketon at that time didn't have any black
Speaker 3: detectives on their roster. They had uniform policemen who were
Speaker 3: guards at companies and factories, but they did not have
Speaker 3: any detectives. My wife happened to have been reading this
Speaker 3: Saint Louis Sposed to Dispatch, and they were advertising for
Speaker 3: UH for detectives. So I went over there and I
Speaker 3: made an application, and that that end it started.
Speaker 2: My entrance into law enforcement. I became the first black
Speaker 2: to be appointed as a pink.
Speaker 3: And a detective and nationwide, and so I was very
Speaker 3: very well prepared to be you might say, a trailblazer.
Speaker 3: And after that I went into the Illinois State Police,
Speaker 3: where I stayed four years.
Speaker 2: I had Illinois State Police training and.
Speaker 3: Then became one of the first in the Illinois State
Speaker 3: Police Investigated Division under Captain Jacquelyndan, now president.
Speaker 2: When Kennedy was running for president.
Speaker 3: He came to p Or, Illinois, where I was stationed
Speaker 3: as Illinois State policeman. Now, I was very fun the
Speaker 3: President Kennedy, as many of my black brothers and sisters work, We.
Speaker 2: Thought that he was sincere. We thought that he wanted to.
Speaker 3: Try to bring peace among the races during the nineteen
Speaker 3: sixties period, and he.
Speaker 2: Happened to win the presidency.
Speaker 3: Now, I was appointed to the United States Secret Service
Speaker 3: in October of a nineteen sixty on under President Eisenhower.
Speaker 3: But John Kennedy after he won the election, he beat
Speaker 3: He beat Nixon by some eight thousand votes in Cook
Speaker 3: County here in Cook County, Chicago, and he decided to
Speaker 3: come to Chicago on April of twenty eighth, or nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty one, in order to thank Mary Daily for the
Speaker 3: narrow victory that he achieved by eight thousand votes in
Speaker 3: Cook County. Now, the President, as I said, when he
Speaker 3: came to Chicago, there were assignments that were given up
Speaker 3: being given out to Secret Service agents where the President
Speaker 3: was going to be coming to speak at McCormick Place.
Speaker 3: The President arrived at the place at around eight thirty
Speaker 3: or so pm that night on April of twenty eighth,
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 2: Now, arrangement had been made.
Speaker 3: By mister gagline, a gagline to put me out of
Speaker 3: sight in front of a washroom on the lower level
Speaker 3: of McCormick.
Speaker 2: Place, out of the way, you know, the president.
Speaker 3: The chances of me sending president in that position were
Speaker 3: almost slimmed and none. But in my position that was
Speaker 3: on the charter assignments the Secret Service when we were
Speaker 3: being assigned in positions on the evening of April of
Speaker 3: twenty seventh, was to be standing near the stage where
Speaker 3: the President.
Speaker 2: Was going to be speaking. Well, that was changed at
Speaker 2: the last.
Speaker 3: Minute and they put me downstairs in the basement in
Speaker 3: front of the washroom. However, when the motiicator arrived at
Speaker 3: McCormick Place, the first thing that the President wanted to
Speaker 3: do was use the washroom in which I had been
Speaker 3: assigned the guard And as I was standing there on duty,
Speaker 3: much to mine surprise and but to my happiness, I
Speaker 3: saw the President as he was coming downstairs to use
Speaker 3: the washroom in the accompanied by Mary Daily and practically
Speaker 3: every important politician in the state of Illinois.
Speaker 2: So you can see it was very ironic how we met.
Speaker 3: Now, the President stopped writing in front of me as
Speaker 3: I was standing there in front of the washroom, and
Speaker 3: he asked me, was I a secret Service agent? Or
Speaker 3: was I want to marry Daily's finest answer, meaning was
Speaker 3: I want to Mary Davis policeman detectives. And I answered,
Speaker 3: I'm one of these secret service agents, mister President. And
Speaker 3: the President being the sincere man that he was, and
Speaker 3: he had already issued an order about two weeks before
Speaker 3: that that the government had the high negroes and positions
Speaker 3: than that they had to make an accounting of the
Speaker 3: promotions and evaluation that they were being given to negro
Speaker 3: so that the government would be sure to.
Speaker 2: Be given them a fair shot.
Speaker 3: But anyway, the President and I shook hands, and the
Speaker 3: President looked me in eye and said, he asked me,
Speaker 3: he says, mister Bolton.
Speaker 2: He says, says I ever been a Negro assigned to
Speaker 2: the White House detail in Washington.
Speaker 1: D C.
Speaker 2: And I answered them not to my knowledge, mister President.
Speaker 2: And to my surprise, he says, would you like to
Speaker 2: be the first? I said yes, sir, mister President, and
Speaker 2: he said I'd be looking forward to seeing you in Washington,
Speaker 2: D C.
Speaker 3: And on June sixth, nineteen sixty one, I became the
Speaker 3: first Negro to be assigned to the president to detail
Speaker 3: on the White House detail in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: And that that is amazing because you know, as you said,
Speaker 1: no one had ever gotten that position. Who was well,
Speaker 1: you're using the the term negro because that was contemporary
Speaker 1: with the time. That's exactly the term that would have
Speaker 1: been used then. But no one of what we would
Speaker 1: say today would be African American dissent at that time
Speaker 1: had any sort of position of responsibility. I mean in
Speaker 1: a lot of federal agencies prior to prior to Kennedy's
Speaker 1: you know declaration, because I mean even in the FBI
Speaker 1: there were there were, you know, black agents allegedly, but
Speaker 1: they were usually given menial jobs and things like this.
Speaker 1: They were never actually given serious investigative responsibilities or anything
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, how did you how did you
Speaker 1: feel about that when that happened. I mean did you
Speaker 1: kind of feel as though maybe it wasn't real or
Speaker 1: did you think, you know, did you think it was
Speaker 1: just an amazing coincidence? I mean, what struck your mind
Speaker 1: at that time when that whole exchange took place before
Speaker 1: you actually got to go.
Speaker 3: It was just unbelievable that under these circumstances that I
Speaker 3: had met the President of the United States, whom I
Speaker 3: had admired so much, and I thought it would do
Speaker 3: a terrific job in bringing this country together and given
Speaker 3: everybody affairs shaik. President Kennedy impressed me as a very
Speaker 3: dedicated person who did not want to give us an
Speaker 3: advantage as black people, but he did want to make.
Speaker 2: The playing field level.
Speaker 3: He wanted everybody to have the same opportunity for progress,
Speaker 3: and so I was very impressed and very elated that
Speaker 3: he had recommended me to become the first Negro in
Speaker 3: the White House.
Speaker 2: Detail. Of course, after I arrived in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: On June sixth of the nineteen sixty sixty one, I
Speaker 3: was not very well received by some of the agents.
Speaker 3: It seems to me that it was evident that I
Speaker 3: was breaking up a good old boys club. They had
Speaker 3: things situated pretty much like they wanted them, and it
Speaker 3: seemed like I was an interlope, a person.
Speaker 2: Who was not welcome in the good old boys club.
Speaker 3: And I think that everybody understands what I mean when
Speaker 3: I said that certain things happened and occurred. A hangman's
Speaker 3: news were hung over my desk, and there were things
Speaker 3: that occurred in Washington, d C. Different assignments, and that
Speaker 3: really let me know where I stood so.
Speaker 2: Far as the Secret Service concern.
Speaker 1: Well. And there was also situations where they protested and
Speaker 1: said that you wouldn't be able to stay in hotel
Speaker 1: rooms with them if they went down south, and things
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, that's absolutely the right.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, President went to Miami, Florida
Speaker 3: on a trip, on a little trip that he and
Speaker 3: Jack Flyn had and they didn't take me there. And
Speaker 3: later I discovered a memo that was left on my desk,
Speaker 3: a derogatory memo with a drawing of a Negro man
Speaker 3: with very curly hair and thick lips, and on the
Speaker 3: reverse of the document.
Speaker 2: Which was a memorandum.
Speaker 3: That was written to the chief of the Secret Service
Speaker 3: saying that don't bring the Negro to Miami, because if
Speaker 3: you do, we will not accommodate him in the hotel.
Speaker 3: And I put a conta that let in my book
Speaker 3: Tacko from d D Plaza to demonstrate just exactly what
Speaker 3: was going on so far as my status with the
Speaker 3: Secret Service was concerned. But I didn't go there to
Speaker 3: become and icebreak. I was invited there by the president
Speaker 3: of the United States, and I just wanted to do
Speaker 3: my best to perform my duties to the people of
Speaker 3: the United States of America and and to protect the
Speaker 3: president's life, uh, to the best of my ability.
Speaker 1: Hmmm. Well, that's the thing. You were just simply an
Speaker 1: honorable man who had been given an unusual opportunity at
Speaker 1: that time, and what you were confronted with was was, well,
Speaker 1: let's let's be blunt. I mean, it was nothing short
Speaker 1: of just a continuous barrage of all sorts of racism.
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, you you got to They very clearly
Speaker 1: made remarks in your presence, from what I understand, uh uh,
Speaker 1: you know, directly related to well, I mean, look, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna be I'm just gonna be harsh about some
Speaker 1: of the things that I've read, and I hope you
Speaker 1: don't take offense, but I mean I've even read commentary
Speaker 1: where it was stated that they didn't want to take
Speaker 1: a bullet for someone who, you know, who was a
Speaker 1: well a negro lover or this kind of thing. I
Speaker 1: mean that this was the types of statements that you
Speaker 1: were being confronted with as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolute, and now what happened is this when we
Speaker 3: went to Nasport, Massachusetts with President Kennedy.
Speaker 2: I know that certain habits of.
Speaker 3: Conduct but that was within the agents of the Secret
Speaker 3: Service that was detrimental to the life of the President
Speaker 3: of the United States, and that many of the agents
Speaker 3: that were surrounding the president, they seemed to be be
Speaker 3: in in less than stable attitude regarding the president and
Speaker 3: his policies. They had lost the focus of the job
Speaker 3: that Congress had given the United States Secret Service to
Speaker 3: protect the presidency of the United States, and they had
Speaker 3: focused on the man who they disliked.
Speaker 2: Many of the disliked very deeply. They called him an
Speaker 2: inn word lover, and they said that.
Speaker 3: If anything should happen, if someone should try to assassinate him,
Speaker 3: they would not respond.
Speaker 2: Now we have to.
Speaker 3: Understand, sir, that in the nineteen sixties was a very,
Speaker 3: very volat appeared within the history of America. Our people
Speaker 3: were being black, people were being lynched in Mississippi.
Speaker 2: And in the far South. There were La freedom bus rides.
Speaker 3: We had the shootings, we had the assassinations were going on,
Speaker 3: and it was just horrible. There were riots in almost
Speaker 3: every city across the United States. So it was a
Speaker 3: very volatile time, and it affected not only the people
Speaker 3: that surrounded the President, but also the general public. However,
Speaker 3: the President, being the honest person that he was and
Speaker 3: a dedicated person that he was, had taken a side
Speaker 3: of right and not the side that many of the
Speaker 3: agents thought that he should take, which was to keep
Speaker 3: the Negro in his place, so to speak. And they
Speaker 3: believed in that so deeply that the agents. I heard
Speaker 3: the discussion while we were in Massachusetts. The agents were
Speaker 3: discussing whether or not they would protect the president if
Speaker 3: an assassination attempt would be made, and when they came
Speaker 3: to a conclusion.
Speaker 2: That some of them would not protect.
Speaker 3: The president, I thought that this was worthy of being
Speaker 3: brought to the immediate attention of the Chief of the
Speaker 3: United States Secret Service.
Speaker 2: And when I returned back to Washington, D C.
Speaker 3: On July the seventh, eighteen hundred and sixty one, I.
Speaker 2: Immediately reported it that to Chief Yui Bauman ulysses Ebaumen.
Speaker 3: At the Chief of the Secret Service office in the
Speaker 3: Treasury Building. He promised me that he was going to
Speaker 3: look into it, but nothing ever happened. There were also
Speaker 3: things that I saw in the conduct under the Secret Service,
Speaker 3: the laxity the drinking, the cabaret with different.
Speaker 2: Women, bringing women to the hotel, and just general misconduct.
Speaker 3: I thought for an agent with the special obligation that
Speaker 3: we had concerned in the President of the United States,
Speaker 3: And when I upbraided the agents concerning this conduct, I
Speaker 3: was told by one of my supervisors, Harvey Henderson was
Speaker 3: his name. He says Bolden, and I says what Harvard?
Speaker 3: He says, I want to tell you something, and don't
Speaker 3: you ever forget. You're a nigger. You were born a nigger,
Speaker 3: You're gonna die a nigger. You'll never be anything else
Speaker 3: but a nigga.
Speaker 2: So I act like one.
Speaker 3: This is what a supervisor told me. And I knew
Speaker 3: at that particular time.
Speaker 2: That it was probably be time for me to exit
Speaker 2: my experience on the detail because.
Speaker 3: The under the idea and the understanding that the situation
Speaker 3: was so volatile all across the United States that to
Speaker 3: be confronted like that by a supervisor within a.
Speaker 2: Secret Service or was very dangerous and something that had
Speaker 2: to be done.
Speaker 3: So I asked to be transferred back to Chicago, Illinois,
Speaker 3: after explaining to the chief of the Secret Service everything
Speaker 3: that I've just outlined to you, who from the Secret
Speaker 3: Service chief promised me that he would look into these things.
Speaker 2: But it seems that to conduct continued.
Speaker 1: Well, and even now, you know, in more modern times,
Speaker 1: you're still hearing about some of the same behaviors. Because look,
Speaker 1: there's more than one aspect to this. There's the fact
Speaker 1: that their conduct outside of their disdain you know, for
Speaker 1: you personally as a representative of being you know, what
Speaker 1: you called an interloper and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: It's it's more than that, because they were just I mean, look,
Speaker 1: if you're drunk and you're womanizing and you're not paying
Speaker 1: attention to your job, that's a straight violation of everything
Speaker 1: that you're supposed to be sworn to do. If you're
Speaker 1: in that position, Okay, and the same thing you you thought,
Speaker 1: even listen, I'm causing a disturbance here among this, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do any good here. You actually chose
Speaker 1: to be transferred away thinking that you were doing a
Speaker 1: good thing.
Speaker 3: I guess, yes, yes, I have to be transferred away
Speaker 3: because I knew that the volume of hate that I
Speaker 3: was receiving it was very critical, and that if a
Speaker 3: person talked to you face to face, as my superbas advisor,
Speaker 3: talked to me, and he had you might say, control
Speaker 3: of the positions that I would be stationed on all
Speaker 3: around the White House and everywhere else. It would he
Speaker 3: could easily put me in a in a position of
Speaker 3: home or the accident purposely do me home, or.
Speaker 1: Even blame or even blame if something went wrong.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, that's that's right now.
Speaker 3: Where the where the critical situation came in was when
Speaker 3: I predicted to the chief of the United States Secret
Speaker 3: Service and to Inspector Tom Kelly, who wasn't inspected with
Speaker 3: the United States Secret Service, when I predicted that if
Speaker 3: an assassination attempt would be made a President kennidate, it
Speaker 3: would be successful.
Speaker 2: Because the agents would be in no condition whatsoever to respond.
Speaker 3: And on November the twenty second of nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 3: that became a reality.
Speaker 2: And once that.
Speaker 3: Became a reality, then I knew that my days were
Speaker 3: numbered with the United States Secret Service because they knew
Speaker 3: that for years I had been complaining about it, and
Speaker 3: I had predicted that the outcome of an attempt to
Speaker 3: assassinate President Kennedy would be successful.
Speaker 1: Well, let's rewind to one one thing though, because three
Speaker 1: weeks earlier, before the assassination of President Kennedy with the
Speaker 1: date that we all know at this point November twenty second,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, three weeks earlier approximately, there was another
Speaker 1: situation that arose in the Chicago office, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely that fact. There were two situations that were
Speaker 3: going on at the same time. Now, when I first
Speaker 3: wrote in my book that Echo from the Past concerning
Speaker 3: the Chicago operation, and I think there was an author
Speaker 3: of a magazine who spoke with once, I can't call
Speaker 3: his name right now to particular time, but the Edwin Black, Yes,
Speaker 3: Edwin Black, that's right. We discussed an article about gunman
Speaker 3: who had come into Chicago around November the first, and
Speaker 3: we had got information that a landlady in Chicago had
Speaker 3: discovered automatic wifes and weapons in the room that these
Speaker 3: people had, these.
Speaker 2: Cubans had rented.
Speaker 3: Now, the Secret Services were signed to investigate this. Over
Speaker 3: the last I would say fifty years, sir, the Secret
Speaker 3: Service and many of the investigations who came out of Washington,
Speaker 3: DC had been unable to say that they were unable
Speaker 3: to substantiate this investigation that happened in Chicago.
Speaker 2: But just let me just give you a fact on it.
Speaker 3: That in October nineteen sixty three, and I'm reading from
Speaker 3: a research that I had done in order to make
Speaker 3: sure that what I was doing and telling the people
Speaker 3: of the United States in my book was true, that
Speaker 3: in October of nineteen sixty three, there were three men
Speaker 3: who were in Plymouth, Michigan, and they were gun runners. Now,
Speaker 3: on about October of thirty, these three men, who were Cubans,
Speaker 3: two two of them came to Chicago. They came in
Speaker 3: Chicago by plane. Now these people were Seer Hernandez and
Speaker 3: a man named Berkman. Now that corresponds exactly with the
Speaker 3: arrival of a hit team. That I would say it
Speaker 3: was a hit team that came in Chico into Chicago
Speaker 3: right around the time that the.
Speaker 2: President was to.
Speaker 3: Attend the Army Air Force Game at Soldier Field on
Speaker 3: about November two. Now, so when I saw this, I
Speaker 3: knew that I was not just it was not a
Speaker 3: figment of my imagination. That the coup builer Customs had
Speaker 3: indeed investigated three individuals and had turned that information over
Speaker 3: to the FBI, and that these men and in fact
Speaker 3: came to Chicago and stayed at a hotel in Chicago.
Speaker 2: The weapons were discovered by a landlady.
Speaker 3: And at that same time we had an undercovered agent
Speaker 3: in the organization, the DRE organization, with a man named Ashevery.
Speaker 3: Now these people heard our employment heard a Shavery state
Speaker 3: that the president was about to be assassinated.
Speaker 2: Now now we're talking now home about November.
Speaker 3: The first, and in late October, so doing these investigations
Speaker 3: of the potential assassination of the president. The Secret Service
Speaker 3: agents J. Lord Stocks and Tom Strong, who were signed
Speaker 3: to investigate this report that we had received persons coming
Speaker 3: in with telescope with rifle, were told the site of taxed.
Speaker 3: We investigated that and the Secret Service bluely investigation. It
Speaker 3: was terminated because the investigation was was you might say, destroyed.
Speaker 2: By the LDI by telling the one of our.
Speaker 3: Informents, telling Shaver and his group, the DRE that the
Speaker 3: Secret Service had to inform and a plant within the organization,
Speaker 3: and so that that.
Speaker 2: Investigation was totally destroyed. M.
Speaker 1: And that that led to an interesting situation because well,
Speaker 1: like you said, for for all these years they have
Speaker 1: denied that this investigation existed. Uh. But but first of all,
Speaker 1: you have your own memory, and and secondly, you've been
Speaker 1: able to corroborate an exactly parallel situation, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I had to do the research because there
Speaker 3: was a man named.
Speaker 2: John Adams who.
Speaker 3: Was saying that this was a figment of my imagination
Speaker 3: and this was a.
Speaker 2: Made up story in order to.
Speaker 3: Cloud to HS to my so called guilt of a
Speaker 3: crime against the United States. But its states clearly here
Speaker 3: and it's been investigated by the customer US custom who
Speaker 3: submitted reports.
Speaker 2: I have the FBI and CIA.
Speaker 3: Number of Eschevert, which was number two oh one seven
Speaker 3: six seven four nine born September.
Speaker 2: Third, nineteen thirty one. He was the person who said
Speaker 2: that the president.
Speaker 3: Was about to be assassinated, and he made this statement
Speaker 3: on about November the twenty.
Speaker 2: First of nineteen hundred and sixty three.
Speaker 1: So after this, and of course there's been other allegations
Speaker 1: of investigations that turned up sort of different things going on,
Speaker 1: different plots against the president all over the country. It's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting that previous to November twenty second, nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 1: it appears as though there was more than one plot
Speaker 1: against him, and one of them you actually end up uncovering.
Speaker 1: And not only that, but you had the wherewithal to
Speaker 1: understand that due to the conduct of the Secret Service
Speaker 1: agents who were charged with the protection of the president,
Speaker 1: they absolutely were putting him at risk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, simultaneously, yeah, right right, he was at there is
Speaker 3: And we also had inaccepted conversation.
Speaker 2: In Miami at Lauda. Now, I want you to understand,
Speaker 2: sir Chuck, that.
Speaker 3: Much of this was covered up and did not go
Speaker 3: before the American people. But American people have no knowledge
Speaker 3: of this. That a person whose name was Miltier had
Speaker 3: a conversation with one of our informents on the telephone.
Speaker 3: Now the sheriff of Day County and Miami, Florida, had
Speaker 3: recording made of the conversation between this right.
Speaker 2: Wing of mil Tier and our informant.
Speaker 3: Mil Tier told the informant that the President Kennedy was
Speaker 3: about to be assassinated. Also, he said the same thing
Speaker 3: that sail had said here in Chicago. And the informant
Speaker 3: asked mil Teer, you're really gonna do it?
Speaker 2: Huh? And Milteer said, it's a dundal, it's a dune deal.
Speaker 3: When the Secret Service knew about this conversation, the informent
Speaker 3: asked Militier, well, how are you gonna go about doing this?
Speaker 3: And they said, we're gonna put a guy in a
Speaker 3: tall building and we're gonna give him a rifle with
Speaker 3: a telescopic site, and that's the way we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna get Kennedy. And we already have a fall guy
Speaker 2: sat up. So you can see that this plan was
Speaker 2: well developed.
Speaker 3: This thing that happened in Dallas, Texas, and Texas and
Speaker 3: the thing that was about to happen in Chicago was
Speaker 3: already pre programmed. It was set up, and they were
Speaker 3: going to kill the president in one of the three places,
Speaker 3: either Miami or Chicago or Dallas, Texas. And they traced
Speaker 3: him to Dallas, Texas, and they executed their plane.
Speaker 1: And this Milton area you're talking about, it's not even
Speaker 1: just your average guy or anything. This individual actually was
Speaker 1: going around and collecting money to try and assassinate doctor
Speaker 1: King at one point that there's all sorts of interesting
Speaker 1: information about who this guy was. He was definitely involved
Speaker 1: in the more extreme right wing factions who were quite
Speaker 1: against integration, who were quite against a lot of the
Speaker 1: policies of the Kennedy administration. They wanted no part of
Speaker 1: anything he was about to about to do. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you're aware of.
Speaker 2: All that, Yes, I'm aware of it. Now.
Speaker 3: Where I came into the picture was this, After that
Speaker 3: the president was assassinated, I began to see suspicious activity,
Speaker 3: activity designed to cover up the things that the Secret
Speaker 3: Service knew. The reports that had been generated in reference
Speaker 3: to the potential assassination of President Kennedy were destroyed, some
Speaker 3: were changed, and many of these suspects were not interviewed.
Speaker 2: Either by the FDI reinterviewed, or the One Commission. And
Speaker 2: I was thinking at.
Speaker 3: The time that maybe the One Commission did not know
Speaker 3: that this was going on. So I wanted to go
Speaker 3: before the Warren Commission, and I was scheduled to go
Speaker 3: to Washington, d C. In May of the nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 3: at which time I wanted to go before the One
Speaker 3: Commission and see if they were privileged to some of
Speaker 3: this information that I had been complaining about and the
Speaker 3: investigations of other people who were trying to assassinate President Kennedy.
Speaker 3: That seemed to me they were not getting this information.
Speaker 3: But I didn't know at the time, Sir that kaz
Speaker 3: is back on about December the sixth, after which time
Speaker 3: the the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service chief met
Speaker 3: here in Chicago, and they had a big conference here
Speaker 3: in Chicago. Cazenbach issued issued a statement, issued a memo
Speaker 3: to Bill Morias, who was one of the President Johnson
Speaker 3: survives that Oswald had to be found as the loan
Speaker 3: assassin of President Kennedy.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that that memo existed at that time.
Speaker 2: So when I went to Washington, DC and tried to
Speaker 2: contact J. V.
Speaker 3: Rankin, who was counsel of the Warrant Commission, I didn't
Speaker 3: know that I was being followed at the time, and
Speaker 3: I was being suspected of trying to, you know, do.
Speaker 2: What they thought that I would do once I got to.
Speaker 3: Washington, DC, and that is to bring some pressure on
Speaker 3: the Secret Service in the activity that led to the
Speaker 3: assassination of the President of the United States.
Speaker 1: Again, you were honestly attempting to do your duty, which
Speaker 1: was to inform the individuals who were allegedly investigating the
Speaker 1: situation that leads had not been followed, that proper investigative
Speaker 1: procedures had not been followed, based on your own personal knowledge.
Speaker 1: Plus you were also going to enlighten them as to
Speaker 1: the negligence of the Secret Service in general and that's
Speaker 1: what your plan was, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, that's what my plan was. Now in reference
Speaker 3: to that, when I arrived in Washington, the DC on
Speaker 3: May seventeenth of nineteen sixty four, after I made the
Speaker 3: telephone call to the White House switchboard trying to get
Speaker 3: jay Lee Lankin's extensions so that I could give him
Speaker 3: a call. The next day, on the eighteenth of May,
Speaker 3: they picked me up and brought me back to Chicago
Speaker 3: and charged me.
Speaker 2: With the crime.
Speaker 3: They had had a fake set up where one of
Speaker 3: the individual counterfeitness that I had rested a couple of
Speaker 3: time for counterfeiting money was accusing me of trying to
Speaker 3: endy into a conspiracy with.
Speaker 2: Him to solicit to some of fifty.
Speaker 3: Thousand dollars from another counterfeiting named Joseph Spagnolan. Now this
Speaker 3: was all false, and they absolutely knew that it was false.
Speaker 3: But the whole thing was to silence me and to
Speaker 3: make my words account for nothing. Because they knew the
Speaker 3: things that I'm telling you right now, they wanted to
Speaker 3: discredit them in advance by discrediting me in my.
Speaker 1: Character well, and even went so far as to manipulate
Speaker 1: the proceedings because I've read about these proceedings. You know, this,
Speaker 1: this farce of a trial that you were supposed to
Speaker 1: have gone through, was absolutely ludicrous. I wonder if you
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell people a little bit about that, you know,
Speaker 1: because look, it's an interesting kind of point to think
Speaker 1: that you had been Okay, if you're being convicted of
Speaker 1: a crime, you know, then maybe your word wasn't worth anything. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's obviously what they were trying to do. And well, gee,
Speaker 1: it was just a I mean, excuse me for saying it,
Speaker 1: but it was just a cya kind of move here
Speaker 1: to try and shut you down and shut you up.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it was. And they went even
Speaker 1: as far as as to make a complete farce of
Speaker 1: the trial, didn't they.
Speaker 2: Yes, they did. I had two trials, as a matter
Speaker 2: of fact.
Speaker 3: And the first trial, after the testimony had been generated
Speaker 3: and the jury began to deliberate, the judge called the
Speaker 3: jury out and gave them an additional instruction. He said,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, evidence shows that the defendant is guilty. Now,
Speaker 3: the judge that you can disagree with me if you
Speaker 3: want to now, but go back in and take into
Speaker 3: consideration the instruction that I just gave you, which was
Speaker 3: to find me guilty. Now, this prerogative that the judge
Speaker 3: had used hadn't been used since the Magnicrtera. It had
Speaker 3: only been used one time since the Magnicota.
Speaker 2: And this judge saw.
Speaker 3: Wanted the jury to influence my jury to find me guilty, and.
Speaker 2: That's what he used.
Speaker 3: Now, you have to understand that there have been many
Speaker 3: criminal trials since my trial in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2: We've had governors to go.
Speaker 3: On trial, We've had senators on trial, we've had.
Speaker 2: Mafia men on trial.
Speaker 3: But no federal district judge has ever since that time
Speaker 3: told the jury that, in their opinion.
Speaker 2: The defendant was guilty.
Speaker 3: We've had multi murderers in state cases, but this prerogative
Speaker 3: of a judge was never used. Now, in the second trial,
Speaker 3: which ended on Art of the eleventh, nineteen sixty.
Speaker 2: Four, the judge cleared the courtroom.
Speaker 3: He put me in, my attorney, and all of the
Speaker 3: members of society who were not federal agents.
Speaker 2: He put us out of the courtroom, locked the doors,
Speaker 2: put us all the way out of the.
Speaker 3: Court buildings, chained down the doors, and the only people
Speaker 3: that were left in the courtroom was the judge and
Speaker 3: federal agents and the jury, and at that time the
Speaker 3: jury allegedly returned a verdicta guilty.
Speaker 2: Of course, the files of.
Speaker 3: The trial were missing for the next twenty five years.
Speaker 2: We didn't find anything pertaining to.
Speaker 3: That trial for twenty five years later, from nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: four until nineteen ninety five, the transcripts of the trial
Speaker 3: went missing.
Speaker 1: That's just amazing. I mean, uh, to to put you know,
Speaker 1: to put the to put the public outside, to put
Speaker 1: your yourself, your lawyer outside the courtroom, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't even understand how they were able to
Speaker 1: get away with that.
Speaker 2: Well, the Court of Appeals upheld.
Speaker 3: They said that that the judge did not show any
Speaker 3: prejudice by given the jury, you know, telling the jury
Speaker 3: of his opinion.
Speaker 2: Now, you know, prejudice doing that that time?
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I guess when the klansman would lynch blackdown in the South,
Speaker 3: you couldn't call them prejudice. They thought it was right.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a cardener who's looking at it? But
Speaker 3: the card to the law, that was.
Speaker 2: Clear judicial prejudice.
Speaker 3: The judge acted, the jury acted, that's a part of
Speaker 3: the jury. And not only is that the same judge
Speaker 3: heard a second child of the same issue. He refused
Speaker 3: to refuse himself. So you can see how bad they
Speaker 3: had it in for me and my family. My family
Speaker 3: suffered dearly for that. My wife began to get deal
Speaker 3: and she passed away in two thousand and five. They
Speaker 3: sent me to Springfield Medical Center, which is a four
Speaker 3: tiered institution. They have there at the hospital, they also
Speaker 3: have the psychiatric Division. They have a camp there and
Speaker 3: it's also a terminal point for transferring prisoners from the
Speaker 3: east West to east and west coast.
Speaker 2: Now they put me in the camp.
Speaker 3: There at Springfield Medical Center in Springfield, Missouri.
Speaker 2: But on the July seventh.
Speaker 3: Of nineteen sixty seventh, at about three o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 3: they came to mind bunk and to remove me from
Speaker 3: the camp.
Speaker 2: Took me over secretly to two YDS, which was the.
Speaker 3: Psychiatric Division, forced me to take medical drugs for no reason,
Speaker 3: for no reason whatsoever, They gave me mine, you know,
Speaker 3: COPD drug and tried to declare me insane.
Speaker 1: So not only did they destroy your life and destroy
Speaker 1: your family's life, you know, by by imprisoning you, by
Speaker 1: making you a felon, but but then on top of it,
Speaker 1: they wind up forcibly drugging you, keeping you institutionalized, not
Speaker 1: not granting you your constitutional rights to a to a
Speaker 1: fair trial. All of this. I mean, do you think
Speaker 1: that this was mainly motivated by the information you had
Speaker 1: or do you think it was especially vicious because of
Speaker 1: your race?
Speaker 3: Sir, Well, I think race played a big part in it,
Speaker 3: But I also know for a fact that the Kennedy
Speaker 3: matter also played a big role in it too, because
Speaker 3: they knew, as Inspector Inspector McCain told me when they
Speaker 3: brought me back to Chicago, you're not a team player.
Speaker 2: Those were his exact words, and he says, we're not
Speaker 2: going to stand.
Speaker 3: By and let you destroy all of our retirement and
Speaker 3: the work that we'll put in with the US Secret
Speaker 3: Service that was inspecting the McCain's.
Speaker 2: Instruction to me.
Speaker 3: And so it seemed to me that they were more
Speaker 3: interested in maintaining the authenticity of the Secret Service than
Speaker 3: they were with protecting the.
Speaker 2: Life for the President of the United States.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, they had failed, they had absolutely failed on
Speaker 1: November twenty second, nineteen sixty and they had also you know,
Speaker 1: and again let's point out something here. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: matter of the individual. John F. Kennedy, that was their responsibility.
Speaker 1: It was to protect whomever occupied the office of the
Speaker 1: of the President of the United States. Okay, that's right.
Speaker 2: That was duty.
Speaker 1: That was exactly what your duty was. It wasn't about
Speaker 1: the individual necessarily, but it was about for the for
Speaker 1: the you know, on behalf of the American people. You
Speaker 1: were there to defend the life of the individual who
Speaker 1: was supposed to be their elected leader. Okay. I I
Speaker 1: find it so horrendous in my mind to think that
Speaker 1: this is what was done when all you were trying
Speaker 1: to do was to alert alert the authorities that were
Speaker 1: supposed to be you know, policing this, taking care of it,
Speaker 1: making sure that the job was being done properly. You're
Speaker 1: trying to alert them to what's going on, and the
Speaker 1: investigative agency after the man is murdered, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean he was publicly executed in Dallas. I mean, bottom line,
Speaker 1: after that happens, there's allegedly investigating it, and all you're
Speaker 1: trying to do is offer them the information that listen.
Speaker 1: You know, the Secret Service failed here and this is
Speaker 1: why they failed, in my estimation, and you should look
Speaker 1: into this, and maybe you didn't. You don't realize that
Speaker 1: there was other leads that weren't followed up. And it
Speaker 1: sounds to me like you were being a diligent and
Speaker 1: honest human being, trying to do his job despite the
Speaker 1: wave of things against you. And and then on top
Speaker 1: of it, they destroy your life, they destroy your your
Speaker 1: your name, you know, and ever after, I mean you
Speaker 1: were you were horrendously punished for trying to do what
Speaker 1: is right.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. And then when I took the case back,
Speaker 2: I filed a writ of Abe's compass.
Speaker 4: Here in Chicago and nine eighteen ninety five, and the
Speaker 4: judge ruled that the writ was denied because I could
Speaker 4: not show that my treatment had disadvantaged me in any way.
Speaker 3: This is the way the judge put it, so you
Speaker 3: can see that they regarded my rights as nothing, but
Speaker 3: they didn't.
Speaker 2: Really take away my life, sir, because this is my life.
Speaker 2: I'm still here.
Speaker 3: I'm eighty years old. There have been a couple of
Speaker 3: agents who committed suicide.
Speaker 2: Who were in the trial and lied in their testimony
Speaker 2: about me. By the way, spack And only admitted before
Speaker 2: the same judge that he lied that.
Speaker 3: He and Frank Jones cooked up the whole case against me,
Speaker 3: and that the US government attorney Richard Sites prompted him
Speaker 3: to lie and gave.
Speaker 2: Him the testimony and to testify false against me. Court.
Speaker 2: Of course, the United States Court of Appealed still upheld the.
Speaker 3: Conviction, and the Supreme Court upheld it refused the grant
Speaker 3: SSSTI area, and I was sentenced to.
Speaker 2: Six years in the penitentiary.
Speaker 1: How much time did you actually serve and when did
Speaker 1: you get out?
Speaker 2: I served three years in three months.
Speaker 3: I got out on September the twenty fifth, over the
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty nine. Now, the reason they did that I
Speaker 3: was sentenced to six years. After four years on a
Speaker 3: six year sentence, I would have completed all of my
Speaker 3: obligations so far as a six year sentence which would
Speaker 3: be concerned while in custody. So what they did they
Speaker 3: waited until I had served three years and three months in.
Speaker 2: The penitentiary, then gave me a parole.
Speaker 3: So this extended the time that I would be under
Speaker 3: government jurisdiction for two and a half more years.
Speaker 2: So I would have to report to a parole officer.
Speaker 3: And go through the different signs and letting the government
Speaker 3: know where I walk and things like that.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to tell American public this is that
Speaker 2: the greatest injustice about this whole thing happened to my family.
Speaker 3: Whenever I would get a visit from an attorney or
Speaker 3: from someone who was trying to aid me, then something
Speaker 3: would happen here back here in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Septin, boy, I'll tell you every time you mentioned government
Speaker 1: and torture, and you want to start describing the damage
Speaker 1: done to an American citizen. Okay, our friends, our friends
Speaker 1: over at those dot gov addresses that just happened to
Speaker 1: show up at certain websites at certain times, seem to
Speaker 1: cause wonderful disturbances. So we want to talk about terrorist
Speaker 1: acts against an American citizen, which was what was going
Speaker 1: on with mister Bolden while he was locked up away
Speaker 1: from his family his house, having been actually shot at.
Speaker 1: I think that's what he was trying to say before
Speaker 1: he was so rudely interrupted. Okay, I wanted to get
Speaker 1: across that point. Let him finish it, first of all,
Speaker 1: and then secondly, secondly, you know, there's a far more
Speaker 1: important purpose to this, not just to tell you about
Speaker 1: the echo from Dealey Plaza, which is the book where
Speaker 1: you can find all of the information we've discussed tonight,
Speaker 1: but a whole lot more about mister Bolden and his experiences.
Speaker 1: But also there is a campaign to exonerate him, to
Speaker 1: seek to have his record expunged, to ask for a pardon,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And as I said, I said
Speaker 1: before the show and during the show, this man not
Speaker 1: only deserves a parton but an apology from the United
Speaker 1: States government. Now I have mister Bolden back on the line,
Speaker 1: and I do want to allow him to finish the
Speaker 1: point about what was happening to his family when he
Speaker 1: had wound up discussing things with Mark Lane, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden your home was under attack, wasn't it, sir.
Speaker 2: Yes, I tried. A bullet was fired into the bedroom.
Speaker 3: My children are just missing, my young son. Also, when
Speaker 3: I had a visit from John.
Speaker 2: Houseman while I was in.
Speaker 3: Springfield, Missouri, my garage was set or fired. The whole
Speaker 3: house was set ablaze. And this was the lack of
Speaker 3: warning to me each time that I would try to
Speaker 3: reach out to the public while I was incarcerated.
Speaker 2: Something that happened here.
Speaker 3: My car windows were smashed, my wife went to work
Speaker 3: and she came out, somebody had smashed a call, and
Speaker 3: all of these things were just it was too much
Speaker 3: to be a coincident.
Speaker 2: But I still was anciant to believe that that we.
Speaker 3: Were being attacked, you know, as viciously as we were.
Speaker 3: It just I just couldn't understand it because this is America,
Speaker 3: and you know, I got a lot of respect for
Speaker 3: the country, and I was just hoping that there was
Speaker 3: no connection. But seems me that it will.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, absolutely, it's not a mere coincidence of every
Speaker 1: single time you seek to reach out for some sort
Speaker 1: of legal assistance, some sort of remedy to the I
Speaker 1: have no other word except in justice for which was
Speaker 1: visited upon you and also your family at this point,
Speaker 1: that that some act of well, let's be honest, this
Speaker 1: is what terrorism actually is, uh, the the attempt to
Speaker 1: terrorize your family, to silence you through fear. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have no better word except terrorism, And gee, who
Speaker 1: else would have had that knowledge. I mean, look, we
Speaker 1: can sit here and speculate all day, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter. It was a horrible situation for them to
Speaker 1: have to have endured, and as you said, it did
Speaker 1: also contribute to your wife's deteriorating health later and things
Speaker 1: like that. It must have been absolutely awful to have
Speaker 1: had to go through that, and I'm amazed that you
Speaker 1: don't feel as though some of your life was taken
Speaker 1: from you. I gotta say it is an amazing act
Speaker 1: of forgiveness to even say that on your part, and
Speaker 1: something that I don't even think I am personally capable of, sir,
Speaker 1: But you do say that you know you have survived,
Speaker 1: that you have lived through it. You are still alive
Speaker 1: now and they have not taken your life from you.
Speaker 1: And I commend you even for that sentiment. Now, moving forward,
Speaker 1: after you had finished your parole and everything else, when
Speaker 1: did the campaign to exonerate you begin, because that's the
Speaker 1: last thing I want to touch on with you.
Speaker 3: Well, we began a campaign to take examerate approximately three
Speaker 3: years ago, and we grew.
Speaker 2: Up a petition which is.
Speaker 3: Can be located by contacting I think you have the
Speaker 3: address to the petition, don't you.
Speaker 1: I have the address for several positions, and I'll be
Speaker 1: more than happy to provide them along with the show
Speaker 1: links tonight for the listener out there. And if I do,
Speaker 1: turn this into a YouTube video I will put it
Speaker 1: everywhere that this goes. Okay, to give you, guys, there's
Speaker 1: officially one at the white House dot gub website which
Speaker 1: is directed to President Obama, who has a departing president
Speaker 1: has the ability to grant pardons. Okay, they all do.
Speaker 1: This is just a fact of the office. He could
Speaker 1: just with the of a pen, remedy this stain on
Speaker 1: your record. At least, he can't give you back the
Speaker 1: years that were taken from you. He can't give you
Speaker 1: back your wife's health, but he could give you back
Speaker 1: your dignity in a legal and public way by doing so.
Speaker 1: And as I don't have a great deal of respect
Speaker 1: for President Obama personally, this would certainly earn a great
Speaker 1: deal of respect from me and a great many other
Speaker 1: Americans who absolutely support the need for you to be
Speaker 1: exonerated and for your record to be expunged. Okay, sorry
Speaker 1: I went through that statement, but I felt as though
Speaker 1: I had to make it, sir.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it very much, sir, And these.
Speaker 1: Things I guarantee I will give you that. You can
Speaker 1: find it through white House dot gov. Okay, you can
Speaker 1: find there's actually a Facebook group devoted to it. It
Speaker 1: is all over the place, and I have actually signed
Speaker 1: a couple of them because there has been well there's
Speaker 1: been a couple of physical petitions which have been circulated.
Speaker 1: This effort has been going on for the past few years,
Speaker 1: and I think is long long overdue. And I know
Speaker 1: we got interrupted here and everything, and I know that
Speaker 1: I've overran the amount of time that you wanted to
Speaker 1: spend here tonight, and I do apologize for that, but
Speaker 1: I do want to give you the opportunity to say
Speaker 1: whatever it is you wish here, and I'll just simply
Speaker 1: be quiet, and you know, whatever it is you'd like
Speaker 1: for the listener to take away from this interview, you know,
Speaker 1: in regard to your personal story, or in regard to
Speaker 1: the system in general, whatever it is you want to
Speaker 1: speak on, sir, the floor is yours.
Speaker 2: Well, I would just like to.
Speaker 3: Tell American people that a tragic thing happened on November
Speaker 3: twenty second, nineteen sixty three. We lost a great man
Speaker 3: and a great president. We also lost a symbol.
Speaker 1: Of free.
Speaker 2: We have seen the decline in the amount of freedom
Speaker 2: since the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Now we
Speaker 2: have seen this country move from a positive to a
Speaker 2: negative atmosphere. Is my sincere hope that.
Speaker 3: The American people will someday received the truth and that
Speaker 3: they're files of.
Speaker 2: The assassination of President John F. Kennedy be released to
Speaker 2: the public.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, and I do appreciate you, sir,
Speaker 1: and absolutely I am extremely grateful that you took this
Speaker 1: time with us tonight, and I am sorry again for
Speaker 1: the interruption and the overrun of time, but extremely privileged
Speaker 1: I feel to have had you on this show. And
Speaker 1: one of these days I also wish to conduct a
Speaker 1: private interview with you, which will not sound like this
Speaker 1: because of won't be for the listener. It would be
Speaker 1: to get at certain details and and and hopefully I'll
Speaker 1: be able to arrange that with you and make some
Speaker 1: time because for my own personal research I would like
Speaker 1: to get your account of certain things. So anyway, Abraham Bolden,
Speaker 1: is there a is there anywhere that you would like
Speaker 1: to be reached by any listeners who are interested in
Speaker 1: assisting with your your exoneration or questions or anything else.
Speaker 1: And obviously, as I said before, the book is the
Speaker 1: Echo from Daley Plaza. Uh. It's easily found on Amazon
Speaker 1: and various other booksellers unless you have a particular place
Speaker 1: you'd like people to go buy it or anything like that,
Speaker 1: you know, please go ahead and tell the people.
Speaker 3: They can reach me at a dot Bolden at sbcglobal
Speaker 3: dot net and that that's my email address.
Speaker 2: And if anyone want to.
Speaker 3: Autograph copy of the book, just write me at that
Speaker 3: email address.
Speaker 2: And I will tell you how that you.
Speaker 3: Can get an autograph soft copy of the book, and
Speaker 3: the price is fifteen dollars plus five dollars mail in charge.
Speaker 1: Then yes, sir, and I do appreciate your time once again, sir,
Speaker 1: and I hope that actually we can do this again
Speaker 1: and maybe get through a couple of more details about
Speaker 1: your story, because it is absolutely amazing and remarkable that
Speaker 1: you still maintain your character through all of this, regardless
Speaker 1: of what was done to you. And I really do
Speaker 1: salute you, and I do not feel bad at all
Speaker 1: about saying that you were very much like Jackie Robinson
Speaker 1: was to baseball. This is what Abraham Bolden is to
Speaker 1: the Secret Service and to law enforcement, and in fact,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, an even more honorable man
Speaker 1: in my eyes than many of the other individuals who are,
Speaker 1: you know, quite pivotal figures in in what is well
Speaker 1: in what is currently deemed as African American history, and
Speaker 1: uh and definitely one of the least recognized. And I
Speaker 1: do believe it is time for you to be recognized
Speaker 1: and exonerated as well. So, mister President, let's get on it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Bolden very much, sir. So this is
Speaker 1: the story, and you know, I still have a time
Speaker 1: here on the air to discuss it, and mister Bolden
Speaker 1: is going to is going to probably hang up now.
Speaker 1: But you know, this is one of the stories that
Speaker 1: emerged for me as a researcher, as someone who actually,
Speaker 1: you know, not only just cared about the assassination or
Speaker 1: the details of the assassination, the sort of necessary conclude
Speaker 1: usion that one needs to reach about it, that it
Speaker 1: wasn't simply this lone nut who by happen stance pulled
Speaker 1: off some interesting act of well marksmanship, etc. Okay on
Speaker 1: November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. All right, but it
Speaker 1: is also one of these points in history that needs
Speaker 1: to be examined fully. I mean, Abraham Bolden's story is
Speaker 1: unique in that it does tell us a great deal
Speaker 1: about the history of this country regarding race, relations regarding
Speaker 1: you know, some of these assertions that have been made many,
Speaker 1: many years later by other Secret Service agents who did
Speaker 1: not treat this man kindly. And I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: if he had a little more time, I believe me,
Speaker 1: I would have gotten into some of the commentary that
Speaker 1: was issued, you know, during the time that the Kennedy
Speaker 1: detail book tour had gone on, okay, around this country
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. And exactly how revolting I
Speaker 1: found that entire situation, because in my estimation, the individuals
Speaker 1: that were involved in that revival in that need to
Speaker 1: extol no blame upon the agency which was charged with
Speaker 1: protecting the life of the president on that day, kind
Speaker 1: of in a way, blaming the president himself for his
Speaker 1: own assassination. While Dan pull got himself killed because he
Speaker 1: wouldn't let us stand on the back of the limo
Speaker 1: or whatever else because he wanted to be seen by
Speaker 1: the people. And maybe it was him who asked for
Speaker 1: the top to be removed, and oh, lots of other
Speaker 1: speculations and wonderful stuff. And meanwhile, the only guy who
Speaker 1: actually visibly did his job on that day was Clint Hill.
Speaker 1: And well, there's a lot more to that story too. Anyway, Guys,
Speaker 1: if you want to join in on the conversation, things
Speaker 1: did not go quite as planned tonight, but listen, I'm
Speaker 1: doing the best I can and it is live radio,
Speaker 1: so things do happen. But uh, the number is two
Speaker 1: one eight three three nine eight five two five. If
Speaker 1: you want to join in on the conversation, if you
Speaker 1: have any sort of feedback you want to, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: expound upon here today regarding the story of Abraham Bolden. Uh,
Speaker 1: regarding how I conducted the interview. If you want to
Speaker 1: yell at me because I didn't let him talk enough
Speaker 1: and we didn't get to everything, that's fine too. Whatever
Speaker 1: it is you want to say, two one eight three
Speaker 1: three nine eight five two five, And uh, if you
Speaker 1: are on my Skype list, you can send in text, okay,
Speaker 1: but I can't take calls. And uh gee. Another amazing
Speaker 1: instance though, where I see as soon as we bring
Speaker 1: up the malfeasance of a federal agency, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: technical difficulties that never arise during any other time seem
Speaker 1: to just appear. Anyway, So back to the story of
Speaker 1: Abraham Boulden again.
Speaker 2: You know it is.
Speaker 1: It's an unfortunate and ugly thing to have to sit
Speaker 1: and discuss race issues in the way that we had
Speaker 1: to tonight. And you know, for some people, you're probably thinking, look, Chuck,
Speaker 1: you're being oversensitive, You're you're falling into the politically correct area.
Speaker 1: I'm not falling into politically correct areas. It's just that
Speaker 1: it's a different reality from what we're confronted with today.
Speaker 1: It really is. Although when you do look at the
Speaker 1: conduct of individuals around the country, you know, and policing
Speaker 1: agencies and their behaviors toward well, let's see now, African Americans,
Speaker 1: non whites in America, it is it is notable that
Speaker 1: there is still a disparity. It is again notable that
Speaker 1: there is still a resonant problem regarding you know, look,
Speaker 1: look what happened in Baltimore, Look what happened in Ferguson.
Speaker 1: And of course, I do recognize that there is the
Speaker 1: larger issue here of the police state, of the rising
Speaker 1: and ridiculous and out of control governmental agencies who have
Speaker 1: incrementally imploded our personal freedoms and have done nothing but
Speaker 1: you know, expand their own power over us, the citizens
Speaker 1: of this country. Right, I mean I recognize that as well,
Speaker 1: But to say that there is no disparity, to say
Speaker 1: that there is no treatment based on race in this
Speaker 1: country is just intellectually dishonest. This still does occur, maybe
Speaker 1: not to the degree, maybe not with the blatant sort
Speaker 1: of well what can I say, brazen language that it
Speaker 1: used to occur, and whatever else, And maybe authorities don't
Speaker 1: turn their backs as easily on these types of behaviors
Speaker 1: as they once did. It does not mean that it
Speaker 1: is a completely irrelevant issue, Okay, And I know I'm
Speaker 1: going to get all kinds of nasty crap about that,
Speaker 1: but you know what reality is reality, and if you
Speaker 1: don't want to face it, what can I say? I
Speaker 1: don't know why you're listening to me, because this is
Speaker 1: my goal is to try and unwrap the present that
Speaker 1: they've given us, which is the delusion of the country
Speaker 1: formerly known as the United States of America, right ah,
Speaker 1: currently occupied formerly United corporate states of what was allegedly America. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's time to unwrap that present and get really into
Speaker 1: what's in the box. So this is what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised that I only had the callers
Speaker 1: in the first hour, and then of course network things
Speaker 1: going haywire. Nobody comes back in. But that's okay. In
Speaker 1: case you do want to though, two one eight three, three,
Speaker 1: nine eight five two five two one eight thirty three
Speaker 1: nine eight five two five, that is the number in
Speaker 1: case you want to engage in this conversation with me.
Speaker 1: So again, moving forward with this entire story, there's a
Speaker 1: great deal more to it, and I do suggest that
Speaker 1: you read the article from Edwin Black which did explain
Speaker 1: about this this alleged hit team that winds up showing up.
Speaker 1: And this we're talking about is November two, right, so
Speaker 1: it's twenty days before for the assassination. This whole play
Speaker 1: goes on in Chicago, okay, and it is it has
Speaker 1: been you know, dubbed the Chicago plot in JFK research circles.
Speaker 1: If you go and look that up online, you'll find
Speaker 1: that there's a great deal of information. You'll also find
Speaker 1: that there was other things that were touched that were
Speaker 1: not touched upon here regarding a guy named Thomas Arthur
Speaker 1: Valley or a Valet, depending on how you want to
Speaker 1: pronounce it. You know, coincidentally, another ex marine who has
Speaker 1: allegedly radical ties or or radical ideologies, and uh seems
Speaker 1: to have been easily framed into the well kooky kid
Speaker 1: who was misguided sort of framework that that Oswald ends
Speaker 1: up being placed into much later. This guy was actually
Speaker 1: detained at one point by my individual in the Chicago
Speaker 1: Police Force there and kind of unlawfully as they had
Speaker 1: done many many times, and were called on the carpet
Speaker 1: for later. All Right, Valley is an interesting figure, but
Speaker 1: not necessarily pertinent to Abraham's story or mister Bolden's story.
Speaker 1: I should say the concept that that whole thing went
Speaker 1: on in Miami. You know, I didn't want to argue
Speaker 1: with him too much, but I don't put a lot
Speaker 1: of stock into the mil Tier thing because he was
Speaker 1: quite the consummate khan Man who was looking to be
Speaker 1: an agitator, definitely someone who was against the concept of integration.
Speaker 1: Had a very hateful sort of spin about doctor King,
Speaker 1: and actually I did bring it up that he was
Speaker 1: literally raising money to have Martin Luther King Junior assassinated.
Speaker 1: This is one of the many provable things that Joseph
Speaker 1: Miltier was involved in, and of course the tape recorded
Speaker 1: conversation took place between himself and an informant named Willie Somerset,
Speaker 1: I don't take into consideration very heavily the concept that
Speaker 1: Miltier was present in daily Plaza and all this other
Speaker 1: which I would categorize as mythology. Now, did he have
Speaker 1: fore knowledge? It seems so, because it's eerily similar when
Speaker 1: the man says that it'll be done from a tall
Speaker 1: office building with a high powered rifle, which is exactly
Speaker 1: the scenario that emerges, you know, a few, well some weeks,
Speaker 1: a couple of months later, really regarding Kennedy's actual assassination details,
Speaker 1: although I do contend that, you know, the headshot to
Speaker 1: Kennedy certainly didn't emerge from the sixth floor of the
Speaker 1: school book Depository building. Special note, by the way, Thomas
Speaker 1: Arthur Valley also worked in a building which was overlooking
Speaker 1: the planned parade route in Chicago, Okay, actually had possession
Speaker 1: of an old, beat up rifle and seemed to be
Speaker 1: exactly the kind of guy who was disenchanted with the
Speaker 1: United States and its policies and the president and so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. And these are little tidbits that
Speaker 1: they don't like to tell you, because, after all, and
Speaker 1: according to my own personal research over time, not only
Speaker 1: was there a plot in Chicago, there was certainly a
Speaker 1: plot in a couple of different places in Florida, not
Speaker 1: necessarily the Milti Air plot either, but parade routes had
Speaker 1: to be changed, trips had to be canceled, and everything
Speaker 1: else because of legitimate suspicions that were investigated by the
Speaker 1: Secret Service. Never really completely followed through on, but there
Speaker 1: was enough of a threat in order to change the
Speaker 1: planning of parade routes and travel routes and of course
Speaker 1: trips and things like this. So that occurred in those
Speaker 1: two cities, and I'm quite satisfied that there was also
Speaker 1: a possibility of a plot in Los Angeles. I've heard
Speaker 1: many different stories. I mean, you know, if I took
Speaker 1: every single possible plot across the country, you know, there
Speaker 1: are some people that have never bumped into a conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory that they did not love and therefore confined you
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen plots. But when I'm telling you in
Speaker 1: all honesty, I can find solid evidence for three to
Speaker 1: four assassination scenarios in the months leading up to Kennedy's
Speaker 1: assassination on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. So if
Speaker 1: you assume that I'm only half right, there is still
Speaker 1: duplicate plots with various aspects of their scenarios being similar,
Speaker 1: being nearly the same. In fact, like I said, ex
Speaker 1: marine in some cases, parade routes on office buildings, you know,
Speaker 1: with elevated positions really badly picked out roots and things
Speaker 1: like this, all kinds of stuff. And they did actually
Speaker 1: cancel the trip to Chicago that was being proposed for
Speaker 1: November two. And there was a poor excuse that Kennedy
Speaker 1: had had a cold or some nonsense given to the
Speaker 1: press who was all lined up for his arrival there
Speaker 1: in Chicago in advance of it. Okay, and in fact,
Speaker 1: one of the arrangements had been changed in Florida at
Speaker 1: one point where another similar type motorcade was supposed to commence,
Speaker 1: and believe it or not, they wound up flying him in,
Speaker 1: using like a helicopter or something like this to fly
Speaker 1: him into the location instead of driving him through a
Speaker 1: parade route through you know, some sort of shooting gallery
Speaker 1: set up like we had in Daily Plaza. Well, they
Speaker 1: avoided that because information had leaked to individuals trying to
Speaker 1: do their job, albeit some of them not so well.
Speaker 1: So there was enough of an alarm raised in other
Speaker 1: cities to cause travel plans to be changed, you know,
Speaker 1: in order to avoid the assassination, of course in Dallas,
Speaker 1: which was the known hostile city to the president and
Speaker 1: to well politicians in general, you know, even the the
Speaker 1: well the Ambassador to the United Nations Adelaie Stevenson, who
Speaker 1: had previously been a presidential candidate and was considered rather liberal,
Speaker 1: and it was definitely a high profile member of the
Speaker 1: Kennedy administration, you know, as an advisor and also, as
Speaker 1: I said, the Ambassador to the UN for the United
Speaker 1: States had actually been accosted in Dallas, what only a
Speaker 1: few weeks before the assassination. It was pretty much a hotbed.
Speaker 1: There was a lot going on there, and they don't
Speaker 1: like it very much when you bring this up, you know,
Speaker 1: people talk about, well, gee, Dallas was sort of hung
Speaker 1: with the title of you know, being the city of hate,
Speaker 1: being the place where the president was killed, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. You know, this was part of the reality
Speaker 1: as well. In the aftermath of the assassination. Of course,
Speaker 1: a completely botched police you know action je police action
Speaker 1: that's funny, you know, investigation by the DPD, which you know,
Speaker 1: resembled in my estimation like a Keystone Cops kind of
Speaker 1: event didn't help, and the National spotlight being what it was,
Speaker 1: and of course let's not forget that that was also
Speaker 1: the first day that the news truly went live twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. So it is all these things that you
Speaker 1: need to place into context when looking at A. Rambolden's story.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've spoken about this before, and I
Speaker 1: haven't actually had the opportunity to interview mister Bolden about
Speaker 1: some of these details. There are a great many details
Speaker 1: I'd like to know about, but tonight's presentation was about
Speaker 1: getting out the general story. And believe me, if I
Speaker 1: was conducting a private interview would sound nothing like what
Speaker 1: we attempted to do tonight, even though we were quite
Speaker 1: rudely interrupted. And once again I want to thank my
Speaker 1: listeners somewhere on the East Coast who do find it
Speaker 1: necessary to interfere every time that I bring up some
Speaker 1: sort of government agency of the United States having been
Speaker 1: involved in torture or terrorism or something like that. Well,
Speaker 1: you know the implications of that are pretty nasty, I guess,
Speaker 1: and it's a good thing to knock me off the
Speaker 1: air and keep me off my game so that I
Speaker 1: don't keep exposing that. But yeah, that's not gonna work, Fellas,
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna happen. I'm gonna keep at it,
Speaker 1: and I don't care if it's You know, I have
Speaker 1: had doctor Frank Gregory ford On here to discuss being
Speaker 1: the only intelligence operative in US history to ever be
Speaker 1: renditioned and survive, Abraham Bolden having been forcibly drugged, wrongfully
Speaker 1: convicted in a kangaroo court setting. You know, and believe me,
Speaker 1: there's more to come. If you keep listening to the show,
Speaker 1: You're gonna find out that I've got a particular nasty
Speaker 1: sort of habit of needing to expose this type of
Speaker 1: disgusting behavior because, after all, it is being conducted under
Speaker 1: the guise of defending all of us. Steve, don't forget
Speaker 1: that no matter what it is we're talking about, when
Speaker 1: the US government is acting, is doing these things, is
Speaker 1: participating in torture, incarceration, you know, the absolute theft of
Speaker 1: an individual's human rights in one way or another, All
Speaker 1: of that is being done in you the United States
Speaker 1: citizen's name. Isn't that lovely? Well, So that's not going
Speaker 1: to stop, regardless of what happens interference wise, I don't
Speaker 1: care if the recordings disappear whatever, I'm going to keep
Speaker 1: talking about it and I'll keep revisiting these topics. So
Speaker 1: that's the way that's going to go. But I do
Speaker 1: thank my friends in Langley and elsewhere, you know, who
Speaker 1: are engaged in making sure that electronic interference is possible
Speaker 1: in the strangest and most unique and innovative ways. I
Speaker 1: do want to thank you for continuing to listen because
Speaker 1: it means that I'm actually saying something of value. But
Speaker 1: anyway back to it, like I said, you know about
Speaker 1: mister Bolden's story, it's one of those things that just
Speaker 1: absolutely aggravates me and is necessary and notice as respectful
Speaker 1: and calm, and he's also like a man of faith.
Speaker 1: And you know, I didn't even want to get into
Speaker 1: that tonight at all because we didn't have time really
Speaker 1: to examine him as an individual in quite the way
Speaker 1: that I wanted. You know, he's one of these guys
Speaker 1: that's very spiritual about it, doesn't want to sit here
Speaker 1: and hold a grudge. But still what's fair is fair
Speaker 1: and what's right is right when it comes to these things.
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing in my estimation, I really don't know
Speaker 1: if I could do the same as he is doing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could walk the same walk
Speaker 1: and have the attitude that he's had. Of course, he
Speaker 1: wants to alert you the people to the reality of
Speaker 1: the situation that he endured, but really it's so that
Speaker 1: the mistake is not repeated somehow. And in light of that,
Speaker 1: you know, what is highly, highly fascinating to me also
Speaker 1: is that, well, how shall I put this, It's not
Speaker 1: just to enlighten individuals as to the ugly history. It's
Speaker 1: not just to alert people as to the personal injustices
Speaker 1: that he had to endure. But also notice the point
Speaker 1: that was slipped in there that he realizes that since
Speaker 1: that day, okay, since that day in Dallas, since that
Speaker 1: day that our alleged leader was publicly executed, since that
Speaker 1: day he does see the absolute incremental decline in the
Speaker 1: personal freedoms of the people in this country. Makes you wonder,
Speaker 1: not at all why I constantly say that he was
Speaker 1: actually the last legitimate president that we had on our side,
Speaker 1: Although I almost want to make an exception for Jimmy Carter,
Speaker 1: because well, I think his hands were tied and that
Speaker 1: he really wanted to do a whole lot more than
Speaker 1: he did. But you know, it's difficult to know with
Speaker 1: these guys, because almost none of them ever reached that
Speaker 1: higher echelon anymore, or at least post November twenty second,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. They absolutely don't reach that higher echelon
Speaker 1: of politics without being corruptible and corrupt, it seems in
Speaker 1: one way or another. And maybe Carter was just quieter
Speaker 1: about it, who knows. Course, not the last man to
Speaker 1: challenge the CIA, but the last man to challenge the
Speaker 1: CIA in any realistic fashion was Richard M. Nixon, And
Speaker 1: of course, as I've stated many many times on this
Speaker 1: program and others, you know, it was just simply too
Speaker 1: soon to put a bullet into another politician's head. So
Speaker 1: discrediting and destroying the man is what was done there.
Speaker 1: And of course the wonderful multifaceted discussion about Watergate with
Speaker 1: Scott Kaiser will give you an idea of the possibilities
Speaker 1: there and that we did on what was it last Saturday?
Speaker 1: So thinking very deeply about I'm trying to reach for
Speaker 1: something here that I can't quite get to, the thinking
Speaker 1: about what's coming up. Usually I don't do this, but
Speaker 1: let's say, well, no, I don't have it in front
Speaker 1: of me. It really doesn't even matter at this point.
Speaker 1: I'll just finish out my time discussing what it is
Speaker 1: that's on my mind. But even mister Bolden understands that,
Speaker 1: you know that incrementally these things have been you know,
Speaker 1: extinguished in one way or another, as the flames of
Speaker 1: liberty that we were supposed to understand were part of
Speaker 1: being born in this legend nation.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why I find that so fascinating,
Speaker 1: because that's nothing new to anybody who listens to any
Speaker 1: program like mine at all. But I'll tell you why
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating is that this is a guy
Speaker 1: who was obviously, you know, oppressed at the time for
Speaker 1: the sake of his well the complexion of his skin, right,
Speaker 1: And that is not necessarily the largest concern any longer.
Speaker 1: It may not be the huge hurdle that it once was.
Speaker 1: But even coming from that perspective, even looking from then
Speaker 1: to now, even he questions exactly how much freedom has
Speaker 1: been lost by all of the American people. What does
Speaker 1: that telling you? I mean, really think about that. What
Speaker 1: does that explain if somebody who wasn't supposed to go
Speaker 1: get and you know what, he was being rather kind
Speaker 1: about the situation with with going and getting the job
Speaker 1: with Pinkerton and going and getting the job with the
Speaker 1: Secret Service, and didn't even tell you, even though he
Speaker 1: did relate to you about the news being hung over
Speaker 1: his desk and you know, particularly offensive illustrations of black
Speaker 1: people being passed to him, and lots of these comments
Speaker 1: being made, and you know, discussing how he didn't belong
Speaker 1: there and this is who he was. And of course
Speaker 1: his supervisor, that one gave him quite a startle when
Speaker 1: his own supervisor decided to tell him that, you know,
Speaker 1: he was nothing more than a nigger and therefore would
Speaker 1: always be a nigger and etcetera, etcetera. I mean, all
Speaker 1: of that. Here's the funny part in he's not even
Speaker 1: telling you all of it, you know, I mean the
Speaker 1: complaints and concerns and not taking him along on the
Speaker 1: road trips because he couldn't stay at hotels. It actually
Speaker 1: took the personal intervention of the President, which is kind
Speaker 1: of weird to sit and scold the head of the
Speaker 1: Secret Service more than once regarding these issues. And you know,
Speaker 1: none of the films, none of the interviews, and I
Speaker 1: don't even think his book probably fully does justice did
Speaker 1: the amount of crap this guy went through. And I say,
Speaker 1: once again, with that perspective in hand, what does it
Speaker 1: tell you that this guy says that our freedoms are
Speaker 1: being eroded, that we have lost them over time, that
Speaker 1: they have done nothing but go downhill, That the entire country,
Speaker 1: the entire situation, has done nothing but go downhill ever since? Then?
Speaker 1: I mean, do I have to draw this correlation once again?
Speaker 1: We can go back and say, well, you know, if
Speaker 1: JFK had lived, he would have finished extracting us from
Speaker 1: Vietnam and we would have a much different country today.
Speaker 1: And some people think that that's extremely idealistic. It's not
Speaker 1: the resonant effect that the Vietnam War had on And
Speaker 1: here I go. You know, it sounds like hyperbole, but
Speaker 1: on the soul of this nation is immeasurable. You know,
Speaker 1: if you consider, okay, there was fifty eight thousand soldiers
Speaker 1: that died, but there was more than a million men
Speaker 1: returned back to this country mutilated in one way or another,
Speaker 1: whether it be physically, psychologically, or spiritually. Okay, And that's
Speaker 1: a fair estimate. That's not even probably the full true number,
Speaker 1: but I mean that's a fair estimate of how many
Speaker 1: men came back to this country. What do you think
Speaker 1: happens when you have a damaged generation? Eventually they grow
Speaker 1: and the ones that didn't, you know, completely descend into
Speaker 1: some other place wherever after affected. I mean, where do
Speaker 1: you think you know, the fathers, the brothers, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera, came from nineteen seventies onto now. And I'm
Speaker 1: definitely talking about my parents' generation for sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was born in nineteen seventy two, so I was
Speaker 1: born while the Vietnam War was still going on, but
Speaker 1: obviously at the tail end of it. Well not not
Speaker 1: exactly the tail end, but pretty close. You know, generationally,
Speaker 1: the Vietnam War was barely a reality to me. But
Speaker 1: the fallout from it, I promise you, is something that
Speaker 1: affected my entire generation. You know, that generation they used
Speaker 1: to call X. Now they've gotten really ridiculous and trying
Speaker 1: to name people everything. Three years or so, I mean,
Speaker 1: what are we on now? The millennial post millennial Homeland generation.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to call these kids anymore.
Speaker 1: But you know, the generation X as it was, as
Speaker 1: it is was quite affected by this, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: just because of the loss of family values. How are
Speaker 1: you supposed to have family values when you have, you know,
Speaker 1: a dysfunctional cornerstone in each of those families affected in
Speaker 1: one way or another by the culture that rose up
Speaker 1: from the Vietnam War. And I'm not even talking about
Speaker 1: the glorification of protests and things like that, which is
Speaker 1: largely a Hollywood creation, but it literally changed the atmosphere
Speaker 1: and the entire sentiment of the nation. I mean, there
Speaker 1: was definitely an illness in the psychology of this entire nation.
Speaker 1: We collectively went through it, and then on top of
Speaker 1: it a little while later, maybe half a generation later,
Speaker 1: or maybe it was a full generation later, I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but they actually coined the term the post Vietnam guilt syndrome.
Speaker 1: And this is why, you know, there's this later return
Speaker 1: to the over emphasis of embracing veterans now but not
Speaker 1: really see you notice there's always like a disingenuous sort
Speaker 1: of fashion to these kinds of things. You know, we
Speaker 1: went to over embrace the veterans symbolically with the yellow ribbons, symbolically,
Speaker 1: with the magnets on the back of your car and
Speaker 1: all those other wonderful things that were most likely made
Speaker 1: in China in order to expound upon your own personal
Speaker 1: patriotism and support of the troops. And oh, I don't
Speaker 1: support the war, but I support the troops. But I
Speaker 1: support the war. But I support my politicians, but I
Speaker 1: trust them. But they're keeping us safe, and we got
Speaker 1: to fight them over there, so we don't fight them
Speaker 1: over here. And all this nonsense, it all germinated in
Speaker 1: the soil, okay, in the dirt, in that which decayed
Speaker 1: and became the soil of the soul of this country.
Speaker 1: And it's all post Vietnam. So even if there was
Speaker 1: half a chance that Kennedy would have followed through on
Speaker 1: National Security Action Memorandum number two sixty three and would
Speaker 1: have completed the withdrawal by the end of nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: five from Vietnam, you mean to tell me you can't
Speaker 1: recognize that this country would be a far different place
Speaker 1: on a local level. I don't mean on a national level.
Speaker 1: I don't mean in a geopolitical sense. I mean person
Speaker 1: to person. You don't think that that sort of echoed
Speaker 1: from that time on? Consider it? That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Who knows maybe I take this stuff too personally. Well, look,
Speaker 1: I've got about fifteen minutes left, and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: if anybody dares to step into, uh into my mind
Speaker 1: when I'm rambling all by myself two one eight three
Speaker 1: three nine eight five two five, I'll take anybody that
Speaker 1: calls in two one eight three three nine eight five
Speaker 1: two five. Do apologize for the technical issues and everything
Speaker 1: else earlier. Sorry about that, guys. And uh, even if
Speaker 1: you want to drop in some sort of random comment
Speaker 1: on the Skype, I'll be glad to take that as well. Uh.
Speaker 1: Like I said, things did not turn out exactly as
Speaker 1: I planned tonight, uh all the way around. But I
Speaker 1: do think it was fascinating and I hope that you know,
Speaker 1: you were able to take something from Abraham Bolden's story.
Speaker 1: But I never work with a script. And uh, well,
Speaker 1: here's one of those instances where it's kind of a
Speaker 1: detriment to me. What are you gonna do anyway? When
Speaker 1: I consider that after that period of post Vietnam guilt syndrome, right,
Speaker 1: and then we saw the amping up of the you know,
Speaker 1: nearly bloodless war, which was what the Persian Gulf the
Speaker 1: first time around. You know, was an Operation Desert Shield
Speaker 1: then turning into Desert Storm, which gave you trading cards,
Speaker 1: trading cards people like Colon Powell and dear Lord you know,
Speaker 1: the other guy's name completely eludes me at this time,
Speaker 1: but there was another general It was supposedly instrumental in
Speaker 1: that very surgical what they called at the time almost
Speaker 1: a Nintendo War. And of course those of you out
Speaker 1: there were a little younger might not understand that Nintendo
Speaker 1: was actually the game system at the time, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's simple sixteen bit graphics were well, you know, cutting
Speaker 1: edge at least for a home entertaining and purposes, and
Speaker 1: it seemed as though it was about as real as that.
Speaker 1: It was also the first time that the cable news
Speaker 1: networks went over there and covered this stuff extensively. Even
Speaker 1: though we had allegedly live coverage of Vietnam in the
Speaker 1: sixties and in the seventies, we didn't have this intimate
Speaker 1: kind of thing. This is where people like you know
Speaker 1: that still exist today in that in that medium, like
Speaker 1: wolf Blitzer, got their start, et cetera, et cetera. Right,
Speaker 1: I do believe christ John i'm impoor probably emerged right
Speaker 1: around that time. I don't know a lot of these
Speaker 1: news figures. They all become a blur to me. Wolf
Speaker 1: Blitzer is one of these guys though, that I do
Speaker 1: remember at one point being somewhere near Baghdad during bombings,
Speaker 1: or somewhere near Riod or God only knows. At this
Speaker 1: point it becomes a big scramble. But that gave us
Speaker 1: the almost guilt of free access into warfare, especially in
Speaker 1: Middle East. And once that resonated, well, gee, you know,
Speaker 1: the horror of war was almost forgotten. The post Vietnam
Speaker 1: guilt syndrome gone. The idea that we had lost a war,
Speaker 1: believe it or not, that was a big, big issue
Speaker 1: among people. They talked about it all the time. Oh,
Speaker 1: we lost a war. We lost a war. Doesn't matter
Speaker 1: that we failed to achieve victory in Korea sometime before.
Speaker 1: That doesn't matter that It's kind of really hard to
Speaker 1: count who the true winners and losers were in what
Speaker 1: is allegedly World War two, what is allegedly World War One,
Speaker 1: what is allegedly the Spanish American War, what is allegedly
Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War. Because I'll tell you it's one of
Speaker 1: the most interesting things to contemplate when you take a
Speaker 1: look at the actual influences over this country and over
Speaker 1: our financial system, and over our people, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: It is one of those things to consider sometimes, did
Speaker 1: we actually achieve victory reading the Revolutionary War in the
Speaker 1: first place. I know that sounds like a crazy, crazy
Speaker 1: sort of idea too, doesn't it. But then again, if
Speaker 1: you would have told someone that, you know that we'd
Speaker 1: be having this type of discussion fifty years later about
Speaker 1: how people were being silenced and shut down regarding the
Speaker 1: realities of the assassination in nineteen sixty three. You know,
Speaker 1: if you would have told somebody that in nineteen sixty five,
Speaker 1: sixty six, sixty seven, you know, before the deluge of
Speaker 1: individuals who were re examining and actually questioning the first
Speaker 1: official conclusion of the United States regarding that assassination, if
Speaker 1: you were to say it to those people back then,
Speaker 1: they might have said, there is no way that this
Speaker 1: hasn't been resolved. It has already been resolved. And even
Speaker 1: if it even if there were questions remaining, I'm sure
Speaker 1: that you smart people will figure it out with your
Speaker 1: brand new technologies in only a couple of years. Anyway, Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: we're still applying brand new forensic techniques to the old
Speaker 1: shabby evidence, and we're still arguing about and discussing all
Speaker 1: these things. So before I do get out of here
Speaker 1: once again, I want you to look up the campaign
Speaker 1: to exonerate or expunge the record of Abraham Bolden Boldn
Speaker 1: Abraham spelled just like you think it would be a
Speaker 1: br h am Abraham Bolden. The book is called The
Speaker 1: Echo from Daly Plaza. And I know I went off
Speaker 1: on kind of a strange little rant here, but what
Speaker 1: can I do? Yeah, I definitely suggest that you take
Speaker 1: a look at it. I also suggest you take a
Speaker 1: look at well, let's see now. I think it's just
Speaker 1: known as the Chicago Plot article written by Edwin Black
Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies for the Chicago Monthly because the
Speaker 1: unnamed source in that article who took lie detector tests
Speaker 1: when attesting to the investigation regarding this you know fire
Speaker 1: team that was imported into Chicago who had apparently been
Speaker 1: part of a gun running operation earlier on Well, you
Speaker 1: know those guys that we mentioned tonight. Yeah, well you
Speaker 1: know Abraham Bolden was telling that story to investigative journalist
Speaker 1: Edwin Black way back then. And if you search on
Speaker 1: YouTube a little bit, you'll find videos about it. Actually
Speaker 1: on my channel, my YouTube channel, the blind JFKA Researcher channel,
Speaker 1: you'll find a news report from Chicago from some years
Speaker 1: back explaining about the Chicago plot and things like that,
Speaker 1: and how, gee, there may have been a very very
Speaker 1: similar plot three weeks before. Tell us to what happened
Speaker 1: in Dallas. What does that say? Well, either you have
Speaker 1: multiple conspiracies all over the place that seemed to mirror
Speaker 1: one another, or it was a concerted effort where they
Speaker 1: just tried several plans and it just happened to come
Speaker 1: together real nice in Dallas. But anyway, wrongfully convicted Abraham Bolden.
Speaker 1: If you check out the trial records, you know, and
Speaker 1: he was right to correct me that there was actually
Speaker 1: two trials, and one of them exactly as he described,
Speaker 1: as crazy as that sounds, putting himself as lawyer and
Speaker 1: the public outside of the courtroom, locking them out in
Speaker 1: order so that he could instruct the jury. And then
Speaker 1: and then the very same judge who had made sure
Speaker 1: to render his opinion to the jury in the previous
Speaker 1: trial that mister Bolden was absolutely guilty and they needed
Speaker 1: to reconsider that very same guy locks everybody out like
Speaker 1: that and then in secret turns around and issues a
Speaker 1: verdict which is allegedly collected from the jury, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Doesn't that sound quite unbelievable, Well believe it.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. And meanwhile, this guy wound up
Speaker 1: serving the time that he's talking about and being forcibly
Speaker 1: drugged and g isn't that what a lot of people
Speaker 1: are afraid of when it comes to trying to tell
Speaker 1: the truth? Isn't that what a lot of people are
Speaker 1: afraid of when it comes to speaking some ugly realities
Speaker 1: about this government? A lesson to be taken, And not
Speaker 1: just because the man is black or African American, which
Speaker 1: I found out he's more comfortable with that than being
Speaker 1: called black. But not just because the man was is
Speaker 1: you know, of that particular ethnicity, But as an American
Speaker 1: citizen one to another, is this not something to consider that?
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes the people that attempt to tell you
Speaker 1: the most truth are the most punished. And as much
Speaker 1: as that as sickens us, as much as that seems
Speaker 1: like it is not part of the reality that what
Speaker 1: is you know, American what is supposed to be the
Speaker 1: conventional behavior of the American system is no longer intact.
Speaker 1: As much as that may be revolting, repugnant and ridiculous
Speaker 1: to most of us, it is nevertheless the reality. So
Speaker 1: what else can be said? Not a whole lot. But
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Just before I do get out
Speaker 1: of here, I would like you to go and check
Speaker 1: out the blog site which I'm running. And I started
Speaker 1: work on a blog yesterday and couldn't get it finished
Speaker 1: because I lost power, internet everything for the majority of
Speaker 1: the day. And I did say a couple of days
Speaker 1: ago that I was going to get back to writing
Speaker 1: on there. But if you go there, you'll see wrap
Speaker 1: ups of this show, links to the archives, links to
Speaker 1: a fr American Freedom Radio. All of that is over
Speaker 1: there at zen in the Car. Literally, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Z E N I N T H e c A
Speaker 1: R dot com slash TE standing for the Ocelly Effect,
Speaker 1: and exclusive content will be there available very soon. I've
Speaker 1: decided to take all the audio content, whether it's pre
Speaker 1: recorded or otherwise, and send it through American Freedom Radio,
Speaker 1: so you may occasionally see a special emerge on the
Speaker 1: archive page. The only one up there right now is
Speaker 1: doctor Edwin Group. And in the first half of the show,
Speaker 1: and in the second half of the show, was another
Speaker 1: something else that happened in an impromptu nature where I
Speaker 1: was called upon to comment to people in Europe regarding
Speaker 1: American pology. And believe me, my ranting and raving on
Speaker 1: there was a whole lot more coherent than you heard tonight.
Speaker 1: But then again, you know, I was actually all worked
Speaker 1: up and not looking to simply focus on one story there.
Speaker 1: I was quite already in the correct mindset to go
Speaker 1: up and down on everything from the general state of
Speaker 1: the American politic to the Donald and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So if you want to hear what it's like when
Speaker 1: I'm just being asked questions as if I were a
Speaker 1: spokesperson for this country, Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: And in the first hour that, like I said, with
Speaker 1: Edwin Group from a global global health center, you know,
Speaker 1: he has a lot of interesting information and stuff you
Speaker 1: need to check out regarding, you know, taking back some
Speaker 1: of your health in a natural way and utilizing your
Speaker 1: own bodies natural self healing systems. So we cover a
Speaker 1: lot of different things here you know, politics, media assassinations,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. That is what it is like
Speaker 1: to deal with my brain on occasion, and that's why
Speaker 1: we call it the o'ceelly effect. So once again, people,
Speaker 1: I do thank you for tuning in, and I'm very
Speaker 1: sure that something else will be coming up here on
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