WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:05.679 And so it is the twenty seventh day of August 2 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:09.199 twenty fifteen. Here on the o'celly Effect. I am your host, 3 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:12.640 Chuck o'helly, and we are being heard alive on American 4 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:17.679 Freedom Radio at Americanfreedomradio dot com. I do appreciate you 5 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:19.839 no matter how you are listening to this right now, 6 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:22.359 whether it is further on down the stream or if 7 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:25.359 you're catching us on one of the affiliate websites, et cetera, 8 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:29.559 et cetera. You're all appreciated what I have for you tonight. Though, 9 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:33.880 is well a serious rarity because in all the years 10 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:37.439 that I've studied the JFK case, I must say that 11 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.079 one of the individuals that I wanted to interview for 12 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:46.240 probably a decade now is Abraham Bolden. Now, many of 13 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:50.079 you may not have heard of Abraham Bolden. I'm learning 14 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:53.280 that some things that I think are rather common knowledge 15 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:59.479 are not so common among the general public. But interestingly enough, 16 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:02.520 I mean I have seen mister Bolden on television. You 17 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:05.680 may have heard him interviewed elsewhere, but I promise you 18 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:09.200 this will not be exactly as you have seen him 19 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:12.560 or heard him before, because well, I'm just an odd individual. 20 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:15.519 So this is the way it will go. And I'll 21 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:19.159 tell you something, Even before we went on air, I 22 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:21.680 even had to stop and question because I see him 23 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:24.280 identified and I had this discussion off air, and I'll 24 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:26.560 share it with you guys right now. You know, I 25 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:29.799 said to myself, it is really odd to me that 26 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:33.920 there is an assumption that he's automatically identified as an 27 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:38.599 African American, you know, simply because of the complexion of 28 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:41.760 his skin. And I wouldn't even bother to mention his 29 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:45.319 ethnicity except that it does play a vital role in 30 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:48.840 the story that we're about to tell you, Okay, And 31 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:51.840 it turns out that mister Bolden is quite content with 32 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:57.319 being understood as an African American individual. But you know, 33 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:00.599 during the time I grew up, we did generally identify 34 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.799 individuals of darker complexion as black. But I'm more than 35 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:09.840 happy to say that mister Bolden is, you know, first 36 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:12.840 of all, a man of principle and a man that 37 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:16.000 I really want you to get to know tonight in 38 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:19.479 a different sort of way, because this, to me, again 39 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:23.159 is I don't know how to explain this one of 40 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:27.199 the unsung American heroes in my estimation, who is not 41 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:31.439 only do a pardon, but is also do an apology 42 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:35.879 from the United States government. Okay, and we're going to 43 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:38.039 find out why in a few minutes. How are you tonight, 44 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:38.680 mister Bolden. 45 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:41.840 Thank you Baron much for inviting me, Chuck, and I'm 46 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:42.680 doing pretty good. 47 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:46.319 Well. I am glad to hear it. Sarah. You know, 48 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:50.479 it is a fascinating story, and there's so much to tell. 49 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:53.919 I kind of want to give you a chance to 50 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.439 explain to people how it is you got into law enforcement, 51 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:00.919 because that seemed to be the profession that you found 52 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:05.439 yourself in before joining the Secret Service. I wonder if 53 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:07.400 you could kind of explain that and kind of give 54 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:11.560 people an idea of how you wound up being the 55 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:13.879 first Now, and again I'm not sure about this, the 56 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:17.759 first African American who was a Secret Service agent or 57 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:20.439 were you simply the first African American who was assigned 58 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:22.120 to presidential detail. 59 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.439 For Actually I was both because one of the other 60 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:29.560 ones who was from the Police. 61 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:33.199 Islands, who happened to be dark complexed, but he denied 62 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:35.120 that he had anything in. 63 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:40.120 The association with Negro Africa all black, So that would 64 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:44.039 make me the first Secret Service agent black. Secret Service 65 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:48.280 agent as I see it. Also, I'm not campaigning for 66 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:51.719 that honor because I think that honor of having been 67 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:55.159 the first black to be appointed to the Secret Service 68 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:59.360 detailed in Washington and DC on the President John F. 69 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:03.120 Kennedy. It's an award enough for me. It's a historical 70 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:06.800 mark of benefit to my whole raige. 71 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:11.680 Well. Absolutely, and this was a rarity at the time. 72 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:15.439 I mean, and you were actually hands selected. But as 73 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:17.439 I said, I would like to get into what it 74 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:21.040 is that brought you into law enforcement, and you know, 75 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:24.279 why is it that you chose that as a career 76 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:26.720 or was it something that just happened. 77 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.000 Well, Chuck, I grew up in a rough neighborhood down 78 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:35.680 in southern Illinoisst. Saint Louis, Illinois, and things were with me, 79 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:40.319 the racial situation and the condition of my people down. 80 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:42.560 There, the crime that was going on. 81 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:47.560 But I decided at an early age that I wanted 82 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.839 to either become a lawyer or a musician. After I 83 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:55.920 graduated from Lincoln University in Jefferson City, Missouri, having received a. 84 00:04:55.920 --> 00:05:00.160 Scholarship in music, I graduated with a BA. 85 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:04.439 In composition, But my heart was really on police work, 86 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:08.680 and they it came upon a chance, my wife happened 87 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:11.920 to be reading these Saint Louis supposed to Dispatch UH 88 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:16.079 and saw that pink the National Detective Agency. 89 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.519 Was hiring new detectives. 90 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:21.839 Of course, Pinketon at that time didn't have any black 91 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:28.040 detectives on their roster. They had uniform policemen who were 92 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:32.480 guards at companies and factories, but they did not have 93 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:36.759 any detectives. My wife happened to have been reading this 94 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:39.839 Saint Louis Sposed to Dispatch, and they were advertising for 95 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:44.399 UH for detectives. So I went over there and I 96 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:48.279 made an application, and that that end it started. 97 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:51.959 My entrance into law enforcement. I became the first black 98 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:53.759 to be appointed as a pink. 99 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:58.600 And a detective and nationwide, and so I was very 100 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:06.680 very well prepared to be you might say, a trailblazer. 101 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:13.160 And after that I went into the Illinois State Police, 102 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:14.959 where I stayed four years. 103 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.360 I had Illinois State Police training and. 104 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:22.639 Then became one of the first in the Illinois State 105 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:30.879 Police Investigated Division under Captain Jacquelyndan, now president. 106 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:33.480 When Kennedy was running for president. 107 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.360 He came to p Or, Illinois, where I was stationed 108 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:42.680 as Illinois State policeman. Now, I was very fun the 109 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:47.240 President Kennedy, as many of my black brothers and sisters work, We. 110 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:50.399 Thought that he was sincere. We thought that he wanted to. 111 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:55.240 Try to bring peace among the races during the nineteen 112 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:57.600 sixties period, and he. 113 00:06:57.720 --> 00:06:59.680 Happened to win the presidency. 114 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:04.160 Now, I was appointed to the United States Secret Service 115 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:11.279 in October of a nineteen sixty on under President Eisenhower. 116 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:15.480 But John Kennedy after he won the election, he beat 117 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.639 He beat Nixon by some eight thousand votes in Cook 118 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:23.839 County here in Cook County, Chicago, and he decided to 119 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.759 come to Chicago on April of twenty eighth, or nineteen 120 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:32.600 sixty one, in order to thank Mary Daily for the 121 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:36.199 narrow victory that he achieved by eight thousand votes in 122 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:44.319 Cook County. Now, the President, as I said, when he 123 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:48.879 came to Chicago, there were assignments that were given up 124 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.720 being given out to Secret Service agents where the President 125 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:56.319 was going to be coming to speak at McCormick Place. 126 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:02.319 The President arrived at the place at around eight thirty 127 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:06.759 or so pm that night on April of twenty eighth, 128 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:08.879 nineteen sixty one. 129 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:11.680 Now, arrangement had been made. 130 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:15.920 By mister gagline, a gagline to put me out of 131 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:19.480 sight in front of a washroom on the lower level 132 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:20.879 of McCormick. 133 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.079 Place, out of the way, you know, the president. 134 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:27.120 The chances of me sending president in that position were 135 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:31.079 almost slimmed and none. But in my position that was 136 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:34.919 on the charter assignments the Secret Service when we were 137 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:38.600 being assigned in positions on the evening of April of 138 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:42.120 twenty seventh, was to be standing near the stage where 139 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:43.240 the President. 140 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:45.399 Was going to be speaking. Well, that was changed at 141 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:46.200 the last. 142 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:49.080 Minute and they put me downstairs in the basement in 143 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:53.279 front of the washroom. However, when the motiicator arrived at 144 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:56.960 McCormick Place, the first thing that the President wanted to 145 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:59.480 do was use the washroom in which I had been 146 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:04.440 assigned the guard And as I was standing there on duty, 147 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:08.799 much to mine surprise and but to my happiness, I 148 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:12.080 saw the President as he was coming downstairs to use 149 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:17.399 the washroom in the accompanied by Mary Daily and practically 150 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:20.759 every important politician in the state of Illinois. 151 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:24.639 So you can see it was very ironic how we met. 152 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:28.080 Now, the President stopped writing in front of me as 153 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:30.279 I was standing there in front of the washroom, and 154 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.279 he asked me, was I a secret Service agent? Or 155 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:36.519 was I want to marry Daily's finest answer, meaning was 156 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:41.320 I want to Mary Davis policeman detectives. And I answered, 157 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:45.519 I'm one of these secret service agents, mister President. And 158 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:49.240 the President being the sincere man that he was, and 159 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:54.039 he had already issued an order about two weeks before 160 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:59.720 that that the government had the high negroes and positions 161 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.759 than that they had to make an accounting of the 162 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:07.200 promotions and evaluation that they were being given to negro 163 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:10.399 so that the government would be sure to. 164 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:12.360 Be given them a fair shot. 165 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:15.519 But anyway, the President and I shook hands, and the 166 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:20.279 President looked me in eye and said, he asked me, 167 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:22.679 he says, mister Bolton. 168 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:26.879 He says, says I ever been a Negro assigned to 169 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:29.159 the White House detail in Washington. 170 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:29.240 D C. 171 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:33.279 And I answered them not to my knowledge, mister President. 172 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:36.360 And to my surprise, he says, would you like to 173 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:39.399 be the first? I said yes, sir, mister President, and 174 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.759 he said I'd be looking forward to seeing you in Washington, 175 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:43.120 D C. 176 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:48.120 And on June sixth, nineteen sixty one, I became the 177 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:52.000 first Negro to be assigned to the president to detail 178 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:54.720 on the White House detail in Washington, d C. 179 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:03.000 And that that is amazing because you know, as you said, 180 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:08.000 no one had ever gotten that position. Who was well, 181 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.840 you're using the the term negro because that was contemporary 182 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:13.320 with the time. That's exactly the term that would have 183 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:17.039 been used then. But no one of what we would 184 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:21.679 say today would be African American dissent at that time 185 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:25.200 had any sort of position of responsibility. I mean in 186 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:29.480 a lot of federal agencies prior to prior to Kennedy's 187 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:34.120 you know declaration, because I mean even in the FBI 188 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:37.360 there were there were, you know, black agents allegedly, but 189 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:40.639 they were usually given menial jobs and things like this. 190 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:44.960 They were never actually given serious investigative responsibilities or anything 191 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:48.480 like that. I mean, how did you how did you 192 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:51.679 feel about that when that happened. I mean did you 193 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.080 kind of feel as though maybe it wasn't real or 194 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.919 did you think, you know, did you think it was 195 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.799 just an amazing coincidence? I mean, what struck your mind 196 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.559 at that time when that whole exchange took place before 197 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:05.879 you actually got to go. 198 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:11.399 It was just unbelievable that under these circumstances that I 199 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.279 had met the President of the United States, whom I 200 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:18.279 had admired so much, and I thought it would do 201 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:22.559 a terrific job in bringing this country together and given 202 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:27.159 everybody affairs shaik. President Kennedy impressed me as a very 203 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:31.159 dedicated person who did not want to give us an 204 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:34.120 advantage as black people, but he did want to make. 205 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:35.919 The playing field level. 206 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:40.080 He wanted everybody to have the same opportunity for progress, 207 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:45.159 and so I was very impressed and very elated that 208 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.960 he had recommended me to become the first Negro in 209 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:49.679 the White House. 210 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:54.159 Detail. Of course, after I arrived in Washington, d C. 211 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:59.639 On June sixth of the nineteen sixty sixty one, I 212 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:02.559 was not very well received by some of the agents. 213 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:07.039 It seems to me that it was evident that I 214 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:10.879 was breaking up a good old boys club. They had 215 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:14.399 things situated pretty much like they wanted them, and it 216 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.559 seemed like I was an interlope, a person. 217 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:21.759 Who was not welcome in the good old boys club. 218 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:25.519 And I think that everybody understands what I mean when 219 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:32.240 I said that certain things happened and occurred. A hangman's 220 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:35.879 news were hung over my desk, and there were things 221 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:40.799 that occurred in Washington, d C. Different assignments, and that 222 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:45.080 really let me know where I stood so. 223 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:47.240 Far as the Secret Service concern. 224 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:53.320 Well. And there was also situations where they protested and 225 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:55.840 said that you wouldn't be able to stay in hotel 226 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:58.639 rooms with them if they went down south, and things 227 00:13:58.720 --> 00:13:59.039 like this. 228 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:01.679 Right, yes, that's absolutely the right. 229 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:05.600 As a matter of fact, President went to Miami, Florida 230 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:09.600 on a trip, on a little trip that he and 231 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.279 Jack Flyn had and they didn't take me there. And 232 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:17.200 later I discovered a memo that was left on my desk, 233 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:22.519 a derogatory memo with a drawing of a Negro man 234 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:29.600 with very curly hair and thick lips, and on the 235 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:32.320 reverse of the document. 236 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:34.639 Which was a memorandum. 237 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:36.600 That was written to the chief of the Secret Service 238 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:42.200 saying that don't bring the Negro to Miami, because if 239 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:45.200 you do, we will not accommodate him in the hotel. 240 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.240 And I put a conta that let in my book 241 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:52.440 Tacko from d D Plaza to demonstrate just exactly what 242 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.240 was going on so far as my status with the 243 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:58.960 Secret Service was concerned. But I didn't go there to 244 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:04.080 become and icebreak. I was invited there by the president 245 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:06.639 of the United States, and I just wanted to do 246 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:10.159 my best to perform my duties to the people of 247 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:14.200 the United States of America and and to protect the 248 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:17.840 president's life, uh, to the best of my ability. 249 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:22.960 Hmmm. Well, that's the thing. You were just simply an 250 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.879 honorable man who had been given an unusual opportunity at 251 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:30.559 that time, and what you were confronted with was was, well, 252 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.399 let's let's be blunt. I mean, it was nothing short 253 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.279 of just a continuous barrage of all sorts of racism. 254 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:40.759 I mean, uh, you you got to They very clearly 255 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:45.000 made remarks in your presence, from what I understand, uh uh, 256 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:49.919 you know, directly related to well, I mean, look, I'm 257 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:51.679 just gonna be I'm just gonna be harsh about some 258 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:53.440 of the things that I've read, and I hope you 259 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.519 don't take offense, but I mean I've even read commentary 260 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:58.879 where it was stated that they didn't want to take 261 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:03.759 a bullet for someone who, you know, who was a 262 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:06.360 well a negro lover or this kind of thing. I 263 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:08.360 mean that this was the types of statements that you 264 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:09.960 were being confronted with as well. 265 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:15.360 Yes, absolute, and now what happened is this when we 266 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:19.480 went to Nasport, Massachusetts with President Kennedy. 267 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:22.240 I know that certain habits of. 268 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.759 Conduct but that was within the agents of the Secret 269 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:29.240 Service that was detrimental to the life of the President 270 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:33.120 of the United States, and that many of the agents 271 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:36.840 that were surrounding the president, they seemed to be be 272 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:44.320 in in less than stable attitude regarding the president and 273 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:48.440 his policies. They had lost the focus of the job 274 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.159 that Congress had given the United States Secret Service to 275 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.039 protect the presidency of the United States, and they had 276 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.440 focused on the man who they disliked. 277 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.759 Many of the disliked very deeply. They called him an 278 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:05.960 inn word lover, and they said that. 279 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:12.160 If anything should happen, if someone should try to assassinate him, 280 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:13.519 they would not respond. 281 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:14.920 Now we have to. 282 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:20.079 Understand, sir, that in the nineteen sixties was a very, 283 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:26.079 very volat appeared within the history of America. Our people 284 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:30.680 were being black, people were being lynched in Mississippi. 285 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.559 And in the far South. There were La freedom bus rides. 286 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:41.920 We had the shootings, we had the assassinations were going on, 287 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:46.160 and it was just horrible. There were riots in almost 288 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:49.920 every city across the United States. So it was a 289 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:56.440 very volatile time, and it affected not only the people 290 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:01.799 that surrounded the President, but also the general public. However, 291 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:05.880 the President, being the honest person that he was and 292 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:09.160 a dedicated person that he was, had taken a side 293 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.440 of right and not the side that many of the 294 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:16.279 agents thought that he should take, which was to keep 295 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:19.720 the Negro in his place, so to speak. And they 296 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:26.680 believed in that so deeply that the agents. I heard 297 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:30.519 the discussion while we were in Massachusetts. The agents were 298 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:34.680 discussing whether or not they would protect the president if 299 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:40.000 an assassination attempt would be made, and when they came 300 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:41.839 to a conclusion. 301 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:45.000 That some of them would not protect. 302 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:49.079 The president, I thought that this was worthy of being 303 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:52.599 brought to the immediate attention of the Chief of the 304 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:54.359 United States Secret Service. 305 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:57.279 And when I returned back to Washington, D C. 306 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:03.359 On July the seventh, eighteen hundred and sixty one, I. 307 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:09.359 Immediately reported it that to Chief Yui Bauman ulysses Ebaumen. 308 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:12.599 At the Chief of the Secret Service office in the 309 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:15.680 Treasury Building. He promised me that he was going to 310 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:20.039 look into it, but nothing ever happened. There were also 311 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:23.519 things that I saw in the conduct under the Secret Service, 312 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:28.400 the laxity the drinking, the cabaret with different. 313 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:34.799 Women, bringing women to the hotel, and just general misconduct. 314 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:39.119 I thought for an agent with the special obligation that 315 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:42.920 we had concerned in the President of the United States, 316 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:47.319 And when I upbraided the agents concerning this conduct, I 317 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.799 was told by one of my supervisors, Harvey Henderson was 318 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:56.240 his name. He says Bolden, and I says what Harvard? 319 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:59.240 He says, I want to tell you something, and don't 320 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:03.319 you ever forget. You're a nigger. You were born a nigger, 321 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.720 You're gonna die a nigger. You'll never be anything else 322 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:07.759 but a nigga. 323 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:09.039 So I act like one. 324 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:13.039 This is what a supervisor told me. And I knew 325 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:14.880 at that particular time. 326 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.599 That it was probably be time for me to exit 327 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.200 my experience on the detail because. 328 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:30.200 The under the idea and the understanding that the situation 329 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:34.759 was so volatile all across the United States that to 330 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:38.440 be confronted like that by a supervisor within a. 331 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:42.759 Secret Service or was very dangerous and something that had 332 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:43.440 to be done. 333 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:47.519 So I asked to be transferred back to Chicago, Illinois, 334 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:51.200 after explaining to the chief of the Secret Service everything 335 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:56.119 that I've just outlined to you, who from the Secret 336 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.119 Service chief promised me that he would look into these things. 337 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.519 But it seems that to conduct continued. 338 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.839 Well, and even now, you know, in more modern times, 339 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.599 you're still hearing about some of the same behaviors. Because look, 340 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:15.720 there's more than one aspect to this. There's the fact 341 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:20.240 that their conduct outside of their disdain you know, for 342 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:23.799 you personally as a representative of being you know, what 343 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:26.279 you called an interloper and so on and so forth. 344 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:29.839 It's it's more than that, because they were just I mean, look, 345 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:32.640 if you're drunk and you're womanizing and you're not paying 346 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:37.039 attention to your job, that's a straight violation of everything 347 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:39.640 that you're supposed to be sworn to do. If you're 348 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:44.640 in that position, Okay, and the same thing you you thought, 349 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:48.440 even listen, I'm causing a disturbance here among this, I'm 350 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:51.319 not going to do any good here. You actually chose 351 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:54.359 to be transferred away thinking that you were doing a 352 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:54.799 good thing. 353 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:58.079 I guess, yes, yes, I have to be transferred away 354 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:03.640 because I knew that the volume of hate that I 355 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:07.720 was receiving it was very critical, and that if a 356 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:12.240 person talked to you face to face, as my superbas advisor, 357 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:16.319 talked to me, and he had you might say, control 358 00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:19.960 of the positions that I would be stationed on all 359 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:23.480 around the White House and everywhere else. It would he 360 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.640 could easily put me in a in a position of 361 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:34.680 home or the accident purposely do me home, or. 362 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:37.039 Even blame or even blame if something went wrong. 363 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.200 Right, Yes, that's that's right now. 364 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:44.680 Where the where the critical situation came in was when 365 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:48.480 I predicted to the chief of the United States Secret 366 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.880 Service and to Inspector Tom Kelly, who wasn't inspected with 367 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:57.839 the United States Secret Service, when I predicted that if 368 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:02.440 an assassination attempt would be made a President kennidate, it 369 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:04.519 would be successful. 370 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:08.519 Because the agents would be in no condition whatsoever to respond. 371 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:13.400 And on November the twenty second of nineteen sixty three, 372 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:16.279 that became a reality. 373 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:17.599 And once that. 374 00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:21.640 Became a reality, then I knew that my days were 375 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:25.400 numbered with the United States Secret Service because they knew 376 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:28.640 that for years I had been complaining about it, and 377 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:33.359 I had predicted that the outcome of an attempt to 378 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:36.880 assassinate President Kennedy would be successful. 379 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:41.759 Well, let's rewind to one one thing though, because three 380 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:45.599 weeks earlier, before the assassination of President Kennedy with the 381 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.160 date that we all know at this point November twenty second, 382 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:52.559 nineteen sixty three, three weeks earlier approximately, there was another 383 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:57.519 situation that arose in the Chicago office, right. 384 00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:02.359 Yes, absolutely that fact. There were two situations that were 385 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:06.519 going on at the same time. Now, when I first 386 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.960 wrote in my book that Echo from the Past concerning 387 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:15.079 the Chicago operation, and I think there was an author 388 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:20.079 of a magazine who spoke with once, I can't call 389 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:24.680 his name right now to particular time, but the Edwin Black, Yes, 390 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:31.559 Edwin Black, that's right. We discussed an article about gunman 391 00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:36.559 who had come into Chicago around November the first, and 392 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:42.480 we had got information that a landlady in Chicago had 393 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:47.519 discovered automatic wifes and weapons in the room that these 394 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:49.759 people had, these. 395 00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:50.640 Cubans had rented. 396 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:57.000 Now, the Secret Services were signed to investigate this. Over 397 00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:01.160 the last I would say fifty years, sir, the Secret 398 00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:06.160 Service and many of the investigations who came out of Washington, 399 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:12.680 DC had been unable to say that they were unable 400 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:17.400 to substantiate this investigation that happened in Chicago. 401 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.759 But just let me just give you a fact on it. 402 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:27.160 That in October nineteen sixty three, and I'm reading from 403 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.480 a research that I had done in order to make 404 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:36.200 sure that what I was doing and telling the people 405 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:39.559 of the United States in my book was true, that 406 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:44.440 in October of nineteen sixty three, there were three men 407 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:50.519 who were in Plymouth, Michigan, and they were gun runners. Now, 408 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:58.799 on about October of thirty, these three men, who were Cubans, 409 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.079 two two of them came to Chicago. They came in 410 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:12.039 Chicago by plane. Now these people were Seer Hernandez and 411 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:17.000 a man named Berkman. Now that corresponds exactly with the 412 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:22.240 arrival of a hit team. That I would say it 413 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:25.839 was a hit team that came in Chico into Chicago 414 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:28.079 right around the time that the. 415 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:29.079 President was to. 416 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:33.599 Attend the Army Air Force Game at Soldier Field on 417 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:39.720 about November two. Now, so when I saw this, I 418 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:43.920 knew that I was not just it was not a 419 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:51.519 figment of my imagination. That the coup builer Customs had 420 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:56.680 indeed investigated three individuals and had turned that information over 421 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:00.839 to the FBI, and that these men and in fact 422 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:05.680 came to Chicago and stayed at a hotel in Chicago. 423 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:09.079 The weapons were discovered by a landlady. 424 00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:13.559 And at that same time we had an undercovered agent 425 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:21.920 in the organization, the DRE organization, with a man named Ashevery. 426 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:27.599 Now these people heard our employment heard a Shavery state 427 00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:31.400 that the president was about to be assassinated. 428 00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:35.440 Now now we're talking now home about November. 429 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:41.200 The first, and in late October, so doing these investigations 430 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:47.440 of the potential assassination of the president. The Secret Service 431 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:51.359 agents J. Lord Stocks and Tom Strong, who were signed 432 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:57.559 to investigate this report that we had received persons coming 433 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:02.839 in with telescope with rifle, were told the site of taxed. 434 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:09.839 We investigated that and the Secret Service bluely investigation. It 435 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:19.319 was terminated because the investigation was was you might say, destroyed. 436 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:25.519 By the LDI by telling the one of our. 437 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:31.240 Informents, telling Shaver and his group, the DRE that the 438 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:35.359 Secret Service had to inform and a plant within the organization, 439 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.000 and so that that. 440 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.319 Investigation was totally destroyed. M. 441 00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:49.319 And that that led to an interesting situation because well, 442 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:51.599 like you said, for for all these years they have 443 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:57.559 denied that this investigation existed. Uh. But but first of all, 444 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:00.519 you have your own memory, and and secondly, you've been 445 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:06.839 able to corroborate an exactly parallel situation, right. 446 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.400 Yes, absolutely, I had to do the research because there 447 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:12.559 was a man named. 448 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:14.640 John Adams who. 449 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:17.960 Was saying that this was a figment of my imagination 450 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:19.160 and this was a. 451 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.400 Made up story in order to. 452 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.680 Cloud to HS to my so called guilt of a 453 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.799 crime against the United States. But its states clearly here 454 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:34.920 and it's been investigated by the customer US custom who 455 00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:36.519 submitted reports. 456 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:42.119 I have the FBI and CIA. 457 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:46.359 Number of Eschevert, which was number two oh one seven 458 00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:49.960 six seven four nine born September. 459 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:54.119 Third, nineteen thirty one. He was the person who said 460 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:55.720 that the president. 461 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.079 Was about to be assassinated, and he made this statement 462 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.880 on about November the twenty. 463 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:06.440 First of nineteen hundred and sixty three. 464 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:12.759 So after this, and of course there's been other allegations 465 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:17.240 of investigations that turned up sort of different things going on, 466 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:21.079 different plots against the president all over the country. It's 467 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:26.920 pretty interesting that previous to November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, 468 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:31.160 it appears as though there was more than one plot 469 00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:35.599 against him, and one of them you actually end up uncovering. 470 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:37.599 And not only that, but you had the wherewithal to 471 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.200 understand that due to the conduct of the Secret Service 472 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:44.720 agents who were charged with the protection of the president, 473 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.839 they absolutely were putting him at risk. 474 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:53.279 Yeah, simultaneously, yeah, right right, he was at there is 475 00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:58.400 And we also had inaccepted conversation. 476 00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:01.559 In Miami at Lauda. Now, I want you to understand, 477 00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.640 sir Chuck, that. 478 00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:08.359 Much of this was covered up and did not go 479 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.599 before the American people. But American people have no knowledge 480 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:18.640 of this. That a person whose name was Miltier had 481 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.359 a conversation with one of our informents on the telephone. 482 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.759 Now the sheriff of Day County and Miami, Florida, had 483 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:31.960 recording made of the conversation between this right. 484 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:35.599 Wing of mil Tier and our informant. 485 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:40.000 Mil Tier told the informant that the President Kennedy was 486 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:43.559 about to be assassinated. Also, he said the same thing 487 00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:52.079 that sail had said here in Chicago. And the informant 488 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.079 asked mil Teer, you're really gonna do it? 489 00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:59.599 Huh? And Milteer said, it's a dundal, it's a dune deal. 490 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.519 When the Secret Service knew about this conversation, the informent 491 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.960 asked Militier, well, how are you gonna go about doing this? 492 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.039 And they said, we're gonna put a guy in a 493 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.519 tall building and we're gonna give him a rifle with 494 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.400 a telescopic site, and that's the way we're. 495 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:21.279 Gonna get Kennedy. And we already have a fall guy 496 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:25.960 sat up. So you can see that this plan was 497 00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:27.119 well developed. 498 00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:31.000 This thing that happened in Dallas, Texas, and Texas and 499 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:35.000 the thing that was about to happen in Chicago was 500 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.880 already pre programmed. It was set up, and they were 501 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.680 going to kill the president in one of the three places, 502 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:48.079 either Miami or Chicago or Dallas, Texas. And they traced 503 00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:51.640 him to Dallas, Texas, and they executed their plane. 504 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.920 And this Milton area you're talking about, it's not even 505 00:32:56.079 --> 00:33:00.519 just your average guy or anything. This individual actually was 506 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.839 going around and collecting money to try and assassinate doctor 507 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:09.160 King at one point that there's all sorts of interesting 508 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.920 information about who this guy was. He was definitely involved 509 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:17.400 in the more extreme right wing factions who were quite 510 00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.839 against integration, who were quite against a lot of the 511 00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.720 policies of the Kennedy administration. They wanted no part of 512 00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:29.519 anything he was about to about to do. Okay, So, 513 00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:30.799 and I'm sure you're aware of. 514 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.240 All that, Yes, I'm aware of it. Now. 515 00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:36.799 Where I came into the picture was this, After that 516 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:43.160 the president was assassinated, I began to see suspicious activity, 517 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:50.720 activity designed to cover up the things that the Secret 518 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:56.160 Service knew. The reports that had been generated in reference 519 00:33:56.200 --> 00:34:01.559 to the potential assassination of President Kennedy were destroyed, some 520 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:07.359 were changed, and many of these suspects were not interviewed. 521 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:11.840 Either by the FDI reinterviewed, or the One Commission. And 522 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.000 I was thinking at. 523 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:18.679 The time that maybe the One Commission did not know 524 00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.639 that this was going on. So I wanted to go 525 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.679 before the Warren Commission, and I was scheduled to go 526 00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.840 to Washington, d C. In May of the nineteen sixty four, 527 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:31.760 at which time I wanted to go before the One 528 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.960 Commission and see if they were privileged to some of 529 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:38.960 this information that I had been complaining about and the 530 00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:44.800 investigations of other people who were trying to assassinate President Kennedy. 531 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.559 That seemed to me they were not getting this information. 532 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.480 But I didn't know at the time, Sir that kaz 533 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.519 is back on about December the sixth, after which time 534 00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:04.280 the the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service chief met 535 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.480 here in Chicago, and they had a big conference here 536 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:13.079 in Chicago. Cazenbach issued issued a statement, issued a memo 537 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.559 to Bill Morias, who was one of the President Johnson 538 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:21.840 survives that Oswald had to be found as the loan 539 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:23.960 assassin of President Kennedy. 540 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.039 I didn't know that that memo existed at that time. 541 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.480 So when I went to Washington, DC and tried to 542 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:31.360 contact J. V. 543 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:35.519 Rankin, who was counsel of the Warrant Commission, I didn't 544 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:39.039 know that I was being followed at the time, and 545 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:44.079 I was being suspected of trying to, you know, do. 546 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.239 What they thought that I would do once I got to. 547 00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:51.880 Washington, DC, and that is to bring some pressure on 548 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.320 the Secret Service in the activity that led to the 549 00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:58.719 assassination of the President of the United States. 550 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.639 Again, you were honestly attempting to do your duty, which 551 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:06.440 was to inform the individuals who were allegedly investigating the 552 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.360 situation that leads had not been followed, that proper investigative 553 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:14.920 procedures had not been followed, based on your own personal knowledge. 554 00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.880 Plus you were also going to enlighten them as to 555 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:22.760 the negligence of the Secret Service in general and that's 556 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:24.239 what your plan was, right. 557 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:29.119 Yes, absolutely, that's what my plan was. Now in reference 558 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.360 to that, when I arrived in Washington, the DC on 559 00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:36.960 May seventeenth of nineteen sixty four, after I made the 560 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.480 telephone call to the White House switchboard trying to get 561 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:43.480 jay Lee Lankin's extensions so that I could give him 562 00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.760 a call. The next day, on the eighteenth of May, 563 00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:49.840 they picked me up and brought me back to Chicago 564 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:51.320 and charged me. 565 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:52.039 With the crime. 566 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:56.440 They had had a fake set up where one of 567 00:36:56.480 --> 00:37:00.599 the individual counterfeitness that I had rested a couple of 568 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:04.679 time for counterfeiting money was accusing me of trying to 569 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:06.719 endy into a conspiracy with. 570 00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:09.599 Him to solicit to some of fifty. 571 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:15.199 Thousand dollars from another counterfeiting named Joseph Spagnolan. Now this 572 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.639 was all false, and they absolutely knew that it was false. 573 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:24.079 But the whole thing was to silence me and to 574 00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:28.079 make my words account for nothing. Because they knew the 575 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:32.239 things that I'm telling you right now, they wanted to 576 00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:36.719 discredit them in advance by discrediting me in my. 577 00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:41.079 Character well, and even went so far as to manipulate 578 00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:46.079 the proceedings because I've read about these proceedings. You know, this, 579 00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:48.880 this farce of a trial that you were supposed to 580 00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.400 have gone through, was absolutely ludicrous. I wonder if you 581 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:56.679 wouldn't tell people a little bit about that, you know, 582 00:37:56.760 --> 00:38:00.440 because look, it's an interesting kind of point to think 583 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:03.159 that you had been Okay, if you're being convicted of 584 00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:07.320 a crime, you know, then maybe your word wasn't worth anything. Okay, 585 00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:11.840 that's obviously what they were trying to do. And well, gee, 586 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:14.159 it was just a I mean, excuse me for saying it, 587 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.599 but it was just a cya kind of move here 588 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.119 to try and shut you down and shut you up. 589 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.519 I mean, that's what it was. And they went even 590 00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.000 as far as as to make a complete farce of 591 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:24.960 the trial, didn't they. 592 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:29.280 Yes, they did. I had two trials, as a matter 593 00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:29.679 of fact. 594 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:33.840 And the first trial, after the testimony had been generated 595 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:38.639 and the jury began to deliberate, the judge called the 596 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.880 jury out and gave them an additional instruction. He said, 597 00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:48.599 in my opinion, evidence shows that the defendant is guilty. Now, 598 00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.480 the judge that you can disagree with me if you 599 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:55.320 want to now, but go back in and take into 600 00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:00.559 consideration the instruction that I just gave you, which was 601 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:05.519 to find me guilty. Now, this prerogative that the judge 602 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:10.320 had used hadn't been used since the Magnicrtera. It had 603 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:14.199 only been used one time since the Magnicota. 604 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:15.719 And this judge saw. 605 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:22.719 Wanted the jury to influence my jury to find me guilty, and. 606 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:23.719 That's what he used. 607 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:26.559 Now, you have to understand that there have been many 608 00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:30.639 criminal trials since my trial in nineteen sixty four. 609 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:32.679 We've had governors to go. 610 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:36.719 On trial, We've had senators on trial, we've had. 611 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.239 Mafia men on trial. 612 00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:43.480 But no federal district judge has ever since that time 613 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:47.079 told the jury that, in their opinion. 614 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:48.159 The defendant was guilty. 615 00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:53.000 We've had multi murderers in state cases, but this prerogative 616 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:57.119 of a judge was never used. Now, in the second trial, 617 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:01.800 which ended on Art of the eleventh, nineteen sixty. 618 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.239 Four, the judge cleared the courtroom. 619 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.719 He put me in, my attorney, and all of the 620 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:13.400 members of society who were not federal agents. 621 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.519 He put us out of the courtroom, locked the doors, 622 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.519 put us all the way out of the. 623 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:23.679 Court buildings, chained down the doors, and the only people 624 00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:26.880 that were left in the courtroom was the judge and 625 00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:32.880 federal agents and the jury, and at that time the 626 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.480 jury allegedly returned a verdicta guilty. 627 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.599 Of course, the files of. 628 00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:43.119 The trial were missing for the next twenty five years. 629 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.519 We didn't find anything pertaining to. 630 00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:50.840 That trial for twenty five years later, from nineteen sixty 631 00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:57.239 four until nineteen ninety five, the transcripts of the trial 632 00:40:57.360 --> 00:40:58.079 went missing. 633 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:05.880 That's just amazing. I mean, uh, to to put you know, 634 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:09.440 to put the to put the public outside, to put 635 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:14.840 your yourself, your lawyer outside the courtroom, I mean, I 636 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.000 don't I don't even understand how they were able to 637 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:17.719 get away with that. 638 00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:20.760 Well, the Court of Appeals upheld. 639 00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:25.480 They said that that the judge did not show any 640 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:31.239 prejudice by given the jury, you know, telling the jury 641 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:32.280 of his opinion. 642 00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:36.400 Now, you know, prejudice doing that that time? 643 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:37.320 Uh. 644 00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.880 I guess when the klansman would lynch blackdown in the South, 645 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.079 you couldn't call them prejudice. They thought it was right. 646 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:49.920 I mean, it's a cardener who's looking at it? But 647 00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:52.079 the card to the law, that was. 648 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:53.840 Clear judicial prejudice. 649 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:57.760 The judge acted, the jury acted, that's a part of 650 00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.559 the jury. And not only is that the same judge 651 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.320 heard a second child of the same issue. He refused 652 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:12.039 to refuse himself. So you can see how bad they 653 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.320 had it in for me and my family. My family 654 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.199 suffered dearly for that. My wife began to get deal 655 00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:25.000 and she passed away in two thousand and five. They 656 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:30.039 sent me to Springfield Medical Center, which is a four 657 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:34.679 tiered institution. They have there at the hospital, they also 658 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:38.519 have the psychiatric Division. They have a camp there and 659 00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.960 it's also a terminal point for transferring prisoners from the 660 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.639 east West to east and west coast. 661 00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:48.039 Now they put me in the camp. 662 00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:53.159 There at Springfield Medical Center in Springfield, Missouri. 663 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:56.360 But on the July seventh. 664 00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:59.519 Of nineteen sixty seventh, at about three o'clock in the morning, 665 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.559 they came to mind bunk and to remove me from 666 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:03.119 the camp. 667 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:08.880 Took me over secretly to two YDS, which was the. 668 00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:14.039 Psychiatric Division, forced me to take medical drugs for no reason, 669 00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:20.159 for no reason whatsoever, They gave me mine, you know, 670 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:25.320 COPD drug and tried to declare me insane. 671 00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:29.119 So not only did they destroy your life and destroy 672 00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.440 your family's life, you know, by by imprisoning you, by 673 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:37.360 making you a felon, but but then on top of it, 674 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:43.280 they wind up forcibly drugging you, keeping you institutionalized, not 675 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.039 not granting you your constitutional rights to a to a 676 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.719 fair trial. All of this. I mean, do you think 677 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.880 that this was mainly motivated by the information you had 678 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.719 or do you think it was especially vicious because of 679 00:43:57.760 --> 00:43:58.400 your race? 680 00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:02.880 Sir, Well, I think race played a big part in it, 681 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:06.920 But I also know for a fact that the Kennedy 682 00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:11.000 matter also played a big role in it too, because 683 00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:17.800 they knew, as Inspector Inspector McCain told me when they 684 00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:21.079 brought me back to Chicago, you're not a team player. 685 00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:24.599 Those were his exact words, and he says, we're not 686 00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:25.800 going to stand. 687 00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:29.880 By and let you destroy all of our retirement and 688 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.480 the work that we'll put in with the US Secret 689 00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:35.840 Service that was inspecting the McCain's. 690 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:37.760 Instruction to me. 691 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:43.000 And so it seemed to me that they were more 692 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:48.199 interested in maintaining the authenticity of the Secret Service than 693 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:50.199 they were with protecting the. 694 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.440 Life for the President of the United States. 695 00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:58.039 And meanwhile, they had failed, they had absolutely failed on 696 00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:02.960 November twenty second, nineteen sixty and they had also you know, 697 00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:06.440 and again let's point out something here. It wasn't a 698 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:11.119 matter of the individual. John F. Kennedy, that was their responsibility. 699 00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:15.960 It was to protect whomever occupied the office of the 700 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:19.159 of the President of the United States. Okay, that's right. 701 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.599 That was duty. 702 00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.159 That was exactly what your duty was. It wasn't about 703 00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:28.360 the individual necessarily, but it was about for the for 704 00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:32.639 the you know, on behalf of the American people. You 705 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.400 were there to defend the life of the individual who 706 00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:39.840 was supposed to be their elected leader. Okay. I I 707 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:46.960 find it so horrendous in my mind to think that 708 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:49.599 this is what was done when all you were trying 709 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:55.000 to do was to alert alert the authorities that were 710 00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:57.679 supposed to be you know, policing this, taking care of it, 711 00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.519 making sure that the job was being done properly. You're 712 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.239 trying to alert them to what's going on, and the 713 00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.960 investigative agency after the man is murdered, you know, I 714 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.280 mean he was publicly executed in Dallas. I mean, bottom line, 715 00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:15.039 after that happens, there's allegedly investigating it, and all you're 716 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.239 trying to do is offer them the information that listen. 717 00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:20.360 You know, the Secret Service failed here and this is 718 00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:23.679 why they failed, in my estimation, and you should look 719 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:25.599 into this, and maybe you didn't. You don't realize that 720 00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.039 there was other leads that weren't followed up. And it 721 00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.639 sounds to me like you were being a diligent and 722 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:34.000 honest human being, trying to do his job despite the 723 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:38.599 wave of things against you. And and then on top 724 00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:41.559 of it, they destroy your life, they destroy your your 725 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.960 your name, you know, and ever after, I mean you 726 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.360 were you were horrendously punished for trying to do what 727 00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:48.920 is right. 728 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.840 Yes, that's right. And then when I took the case back, 729 00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:58.360 I filed a writ of Abe's compass. 730 00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:02.440 Here in Chicago and nine eighteen ninety five, and the 731 00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:07.519 judge ruled that the writ was denied because I could 732 00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:13.519 not show that my treatment had disadvantaged me in any way. 733 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.559 This is the way the judge put it, so you 734 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:22.000 can see that they regarded my rights as nothing, but 735 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:22.960 they didn't. 736 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:26.400 Really take away my life, sir, because this is my life. 737 00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:27.760 I'm still here. 738 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:30.679 I'm eighty years old. There have been a couple of 739 00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:33.239 agents who committed suicide. 740 00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:36.960 Who were in the trial and lied in their testimony 741 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:41.880 about me. By the way, spack And only admitted before 742 00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:44.679 the same judge that he lied that. 743 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.960 He and Frank Jones cooked up the whole case against me, 744 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:54.280 and that the US government attorney Richard Sites prompted him 745 00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:56.239 to lie and gave. 746 00:47:56.119 --> 00:48:00.360 Him the testimony and to testify false against me. Court. 747 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:06.239 Of course, the United States Court of Appealed still upheld the. 748 00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:11.079 Conviction, and the Supreme Court upheld it refused the grant 749 00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:12.960 SSSTI area, and I was sentenced to. 750 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.360 Six years in the penitentiary. 751 00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:19.480 How much time did you actually serve and when did 752 00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:19.960 you get out? 753 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:22.920 I served three years in three months. 754 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:26.039 I got out on September the twenty fifth, over the 755 00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:30.719 nineteen sixty nine. Now, the reason they did that I 756 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.599 was sentenced to six years. After four years on a 757 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:38.480 six year sentence, I would have completed all of my 758 00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.719 obligations so far as a six year sentence which would 759 00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:46.679 be concerned while in custody. So what they did they 760 00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:51.519 waited until I had served three years and three months in. 761 00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:53.719 The penitentiary, then gave me a parole. 762 00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:57.480 So this extended the time that I would be under 763 00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:01.280 government jurisdiction for two and a half more years. 764 00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:05.400 So I would have to report to a parole officer. 765 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:09.800 And go through the different signs and letting the government 766 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:12.320 know where I walk and things like that. 767 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.679 But I wanted to tell American public this is that 768 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:24.760 the greatest injustice about this whole thing happened to my family. 769 00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:29.480 Whenever I would get a visit from an attorney or 770 00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:34.000 from someone who was trying to aid me, then something 771 00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.320 would happen here back here in Chicago. 772 00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:50.000 Septin, boy, I'll tell you every time you mentioned government 773 00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:54.039 and torture, and you want to start describing the damage 774 00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:59.719 done to an American citizen. Okay, our friends, our friends 775 00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.519 over at those dot gov addresses that just happened to 776 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:06.960 show up at certain websites at certain times, seem to 777 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.599 cause wonderful disturbances. So we want to talk about terrorist 778 00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:13.760 acts against an American citizen, which was what was going 779 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:18.119 on with mister Bolden while he was locked up away 780 00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:22.280 from his family his house, having been actually shot at. 781 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.119 I think that's what he was trying to say before 782 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:29.840 he was so rudely interrupted. Okay, I wanted to get 783 00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.920 across that point. Let him finish it, first of all, 784 00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:37.440 and then secondly, secondly, you know, there's a far more 785 00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:40.000 important purpose to this, not just to tell you about 786 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:42.519 the echo from Dealey Plaza, which is the book where 787 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.159 you can find all of the information we've discussed tonight, 788 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:49.840 but a whole lot more about mister Bolden and his experiences. 789 00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:54.039 But also there is a campaign to exonerate him, to 790 00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:57.760 seek to have his record expunged, to ask for a pardon, 791 00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.360 et cetera, et cetera. And as I said, I said 792 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:03.360 before the show and during the show, this man not 793 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:06.639 only deserves a parton but an apology from the United 794 00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:10.320 States government. Now I have mister Bolden back on the line, 795 00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:13.280 and I do want to allow him to finish the 796 00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:16.320 point about what was happening to his family when he 797 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:19.440 had wound up discussing things with Mark Lane, and then 798 00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.760 all of a sudden your home was under attack, wasn't it, sir. 799 00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.039 Yes, I tried. A bullet was fired into the bedroom. 800 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:33.079 My children are just missing, my young son. Also, when 801 00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.239 I had a visit from John. 802 00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:36.800 Houseman while I was in. 803 00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:42.280 Springfield, Missouri, my garage was set or fired. The whole 804 00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.360 house was set ablaze. And this was the lack of 805 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:47.800 warning to me each time that I would try to 806 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:52.400 reach out to the public while I was incarcerated. 807 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:54.000 Something that happened here. 808 00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:57.559 My car windows were smashed, my wife went to work 809 00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:00.800 and she came out, somebody had smashed a call, and 810 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.599 all of these things were just it was too much 811 00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:04.960 to be a coincident. 812 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:11.079 But I still was anciant to believe that that we. 813 00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:17.039 Were being attacked, you know, as viciously as we were. 814 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:21.360 It just I just couldn't understand it because this is America, 815 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.719 and you know, I got a lot of respect for 816 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.239 the country, and I was just hoping that there was 817 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.239 no connection. But seems me that it will. 818 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:35.760 Well, yeah, absolutely, it's not a mere coincidence of every 819 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:39.360 single time you seek to reach out for some sort 820 00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:43.480 of legal assistance, some sort of remedy to the I 821 00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:46.679 have no other word except in justice for which was 822 00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.320 visited upon you and also your family at this point, 823 00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.599 that that some act of well, let's be honest, this 824 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:56.719 is what terrorism actually is, uh, the the attempt to 825 00:52:56.880 --> 00:53:01.079 terrorize your family, to silence you through fear. I mean, 826 00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:05.639 I have no better word except terrorism, And gee, who 827 00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.039 else would have had that knowledge. I mean, look, we 828 00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:10.760 can sit here and speculate all day, but it doesn't 829 00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:13.079 really matter. It was a horrible situation for them to 830 00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.039 have to have endured, and as you said, it did 831 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:21.039 also contribute to your wife's deteriorating health later and things 832 00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:24.880 like that. It must have been absolutely awful to have 833 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:27.719 had to go through that, and I'm amazed that you 834 00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:30.199 don't feel as though some of your life was taken 835 00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:34.519 from you. I gotta say it is an amazing act 836 00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.199 of forgiveness to even say that on your part, and 837 00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:40.519 something that I don't even think I am personally capable of, sir, 838 00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:45.000 But you do say that you know you have survived, 839 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:46.760 that you have lived through it. You are still alive 840 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:48.719 now and they have not taken your life from you. 841 00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:53.719 And I commend you even for that sentiment. Now, moving forward, 842 00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.960 after you had finished your parole and everything else, when 843 00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:01.360 did the campaign to exonerate you begin, because that's the 844 00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:02.920 last thing I want to touch on with you. 845 00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:07.880 Well, we began a campaign to take examerate approximately three 846 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:11.559 years ago, and we grew. 847 00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:13.000 Up a petition which is. 848 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:20.559 Can be located by contacting I think you have the 849 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:22.400 address to the petition, don't you. 850 00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:27.599 I have the address for several positions, and I'll be 851 00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:30.320 more than happy to provide them along with the show 852 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.239 links tonight for the listener out there. And if I do, 853 00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:35.480 turn this into a YouTube video I will put it 854 00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:40.599 everywhere that this goes. Okay, to give you, guys, there's 855 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:44.719 officially one at the white House dot gub website which 856 00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:51.199 is directed to President Obama, who has a departing president 857 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:55.400 has the ability to grant pardons. Okay, they all do. 858 00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:59.320 This is just a fact of the office. He could 859 00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:03.199 just with the of a pen, remedy this stain on 860 00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:05.880 your record. At least, he can't give you back the 861 00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.280 years that were taken from you. He can't give you 862 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.960 back your wife's health, but he could give you back 863 00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:14.760 your dignity in a legal and public way by doing so. 864 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:18.360 And as I don't have a great deal of respect 865 00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:22.800 for President Obama personally, this would certainly earn a great 866 00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.320 deal of respect from me and a great many other 867 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:29.320 Americans who absolutely support the need for you to be 868 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:33.119 exonerated and for your record to be expunged. Okay, sorry 869 00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:35.599 I went through that statement, but I felt as though 870 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:36.559 I had to make it, sir. 871 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:42.639 I appreciate it very much, sir, And these. 872 00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:44.239 Things I guarantee I will give you that. You can 873 00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:47.119 find it through white House dot gov. Okay, you can 874 00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:50.400 find there's actually a Facebook group devoted to it. It 875 00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:52.719 is all over the place, and I have actually signed 876 00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:56.880 a couple of them because there has been well there's 877 00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:59.679 been a couple of physical petitions which have been circulated. 878 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:02.519 This effort has been going on for the past few years, 879 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:08.400 and I think is long long overdue. And I know 880 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:11.760 we got interrupted here and everything, and I know that 881 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.440 I've overran the amount of time that you wanted to 882 00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:18.000 spend here tonight, and I do apologize for that, but 883 00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.800 I do want to give you the opportunity to say 884 00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:24.679 whatever it is you wish here, and I'll just simply 885 00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:28.360 be quiet, and you know, whatever it is you'd like 886 00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:33.000 for the listener to take away from this interview, you know, 887 00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.960 in regard to your personal story, or in regard to 888 00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:38.320 the system in general, whatever it is you want to 889 00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:39.960 speak on, sir, the floor is yours. 890 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:42.599 Well, I would just like to. 891 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:48.280 Tell American people that a tragic thing happened on November 892 00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:53.159 twenty second, nineteen sixty three. We lost a great man 893 00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:59.639 and a great president. We also lost a symbol. 894 00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:00.079 Of free. 895 00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:05.400 We have seen the decline in the amount of freedom 896 00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:11.440 since the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Now we 897 00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:16.039 have seen this country move from a positive to a 898 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:20.480 negative atmosphere. Is my sincere hope that. 899 00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:25.840 The American people will someday received the truth and that 900 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:27.519 they're files of. 901 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:33.000 The assassination of President John F. Kennedy be released to 902 00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:33.679 the public. 903 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:40.119 Thank you very much, and I do appreciate you, sir, 904 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:43.840 and absolutely I am extremely grateful that you took this 905 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:47.800 time with us tonight, and I am sorry again for 906 00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:52.239 the interruption and the overrun of time, but extremely privileged 907 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:54.760 I feel to have had you on this show. And 908 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:56.719 one of these days I also wish to conduct a 909 00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:59.280 private interview with you, which will not sound like this 910 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:01.800 because of won't be for the listener. It would be 911 00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:05.559 to get at certain details and and and hopefully I'll 912 00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:07.360 be able to arrange that with you and make some 913 00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:11.840 time because for my own personal research I would like 914 00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:16.920 to get your account of certain things. So anyway, Abraham Bolden, 915 00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:19.679 is there a is there anywhere that you would like 916 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.760 to be reached by any listeners who are interested in 917 00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:28.960 assisting with your your exoneration or questions or anything else. 918 00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:31.880 And obviously, as I said before, the book is the 919 00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:35.920 Echo from Daley Plaza. Uh. It's easily found on Amazon 920 00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:39.639 and various other booksellers unless you have a particular place 921 00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:41.599 you'd like people to go buy it or anything like that, 922 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:43.519 you know, please go ahead and tell the people. 923 00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:48.719 They can reach me at a dot Bolden at sbcglobal 924 00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:52.679 dot net and that that's my email address. 925 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:54.920 And if anyone want to. 926 00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:59.119 Autograph copy of the book, just write me at that 927 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.159 email address. 928 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:02.880 And I will tell you how that you. 929 00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:07.320 Can get an autograph soft copy of the book, and 930 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:11.679 the price is fifteen dollars plus five dollars mail in charge. 931 00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:18.719 Then yes, sir, and I do appreciate your time once again, sir, 932 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.480 and I hope that actually we can do this again 933 00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:24.800 and maybe get through a couple of more details about 934 00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:30.400 your story, because it is absolutely amazing and remarkable that 935 00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:35.360 you still maintain your character through all of this, regardless 936 00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.199 of what was done to you. And I really do 937 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:40.159 salute you, and I do not feel bad at all 938 00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:44.119 about saying that you were very much like Jackie Robinson 939 00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:47.599 was to baseball. This is what Abraham Bolden is to 940 00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:51.440 the Secret Service and to law enforcement, and in fact, 941 00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:56.239 to be honest with you, an even more honorable man 942 00:59:56.360 --> 01:00:00.440 in my eyes than many of the other individuals who are, 943 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.199 you know, quite pivotal figures in in what is well 944 01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.119 in what is currently deemed as African American history, and 945 01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:11.079 uh and definitely one of the least recognized. And I 946 01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:13.280 do believe it is time for you to be recognized 947 01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:20.880 and exonerated as well. So, mister President, let's get on it. Anyway, 948 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:26.559 Thank you, mister Bolden very much, sir. So this is 949 01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:32.159 the story, and you know, I still have a time 950 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:35.480 here on the air to discuss it, and mister Bolden 951 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.559 is going to is going to probably hang up now. 952 01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:42.199 But you know, this is one of the stories that 953 01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:48.199 emerged for me as a researcher, as someone who actually, 954 01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:52.039 you know, not only just cared about the assassination or 955 01:00:52.119 --> 01:01:00.000 the details of the assassination, the sort of necessary conclude 956 01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:02.880 usion that one needs to reach about it, that it 957 01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:07.079 wasn't simply this lone nut who by happen stance pulled 958 01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:15.119 off some interesting act of well marksmanship, etc. Okay on 959 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:20.679 November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. All right, but it 960 01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:24.119 is also one of these points in history that needs 961 01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:27.719 to be examined fully. I mean, Abraham Bolden's story is 962 01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:32.199 unique in that it does tell us a great deal 963 01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:37.280 about the history of this country regarding race, relations regarding 964 01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:40.920 you know, some of these assertions that have been made many, 965 01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:44.960 many years later by other Secret Service agents who did 966 01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:46.960 not treat this man kindly. And I'll tell you what, 967 01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:51.199 if he had a little more time, I believe me, 968 01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:54.000 I would have gotten into some of the commentary that 969 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:57.480 was issued, you know, during the time that the Kennedy 970 01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:02.800 detail book tour had gone on, okay, around this country 971 01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:06.599 a couple of years ago. And exactly how revolting I 972 01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:10.599 found that entire situation, because in my estimation, the individuals 973 01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:15.519 that were involved in that revival in that need to 974 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:19.920 extol no blame upon the agency which was charged with 975 01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:23.679 protecting the life of the president on that day, kind 976 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:27.360 of in a way, blaming the president himself for his 977 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:31.360 own assassination. While Dan pull got himself killed because he 978 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:33.360 wouldn't let us stand on the back of the limo 979 01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:35.480 or whatever else because he wanted to be seen by 980 01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:37.679 the people. And maybe it was him who asked for 981 01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.679 the top to be removed, and oh, lots of other 982 01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:44.760 speculations and wonderful stuff. And meanwhile, the only guy who 983 01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:49.639 actually visibly did his job on that day was Clint Hill. 984 01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:56.440 And well, there's a lot more to that story too. Anyway, Guys, 985 01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.159 if you want to join in on the conversation, things 986 01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:02.639 did not go quite as planned tonight, but listen, I'm 987 01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:05.000 doing the best I can and it is live radio, 988 01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:10.719 so things do happen. But uh, the number is two 989 01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:13.960 one eight three three nine eight five two five. If 990 01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:17.000 you want to join in on the conversation, if you 991 01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:20.719 have any sort of feedback you want to, uh, you know, 992 01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:26.559 expound upon here today regarding the story of Abraham Bolden. Uh, 993 01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:29.280 regarding how I conducted the interview. If you want to 994 01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:30.920 yell at me because I didn't let him talk enough 995 01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:33.480 and we didn't get to everything, that's fine too. Whatever 996 01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:35.639 it is you want to say, two one eight three 997 01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:39.159 three nine eight five two five, And uh, if you 998 01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:43.199 are on my Skype list, you can send in text, okay, 999 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:47.159 but I can't take calls. And uh gee. Another amazing 1000 01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:50.400 instance though, where I see as soon as we bring 1001 01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:55.159 up the malfeasance of a federal agency, all of a sudden, 1002 01:03:55.239 --> 01:04:00.599 technical difficulties that never arise during any other time seem 1003 01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:09.360 to just appear. Anyway, So back to the story of 1004 01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:10.559 Abraham Boulden again. 1005 01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:12.079 You know it is. 1006 01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:16.800 It's an unfortunate and ugly thing to have to sit 1007 01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:21.760 and discuss race issues in the way that we had 1008 01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:27.360 to tonight. And you know, for some people, you're probably thinking, look, Chuck, 1009 01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:32.119 you're being oversensitive, You're you're falling into the politically correct area. 1010 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:35.199 I'm not falling into politically correct areas. It's just that 1011 01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:38.639 it's a different reality from what we're confronted with today. 1012 01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:42.800 It really is. Although when you do look at the 1013 01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:47.920 conduct of individuals around the country, you know, and policing 1014 01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:55.199 agencies and their behaviors toward well, let's see now, African Americans, 1015 01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:02.880 non whites in America, it is it is notable that 1016 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:07.400 there is still a disparity. It is again notable that 1017 01:05:07.519 --> 01:05:11.519 there is still a resonant problem regarding you know, look, 1018 01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:16.039 look what happened in Baltimore, Look what happened in Ferguson. 1019 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:18.719 And of course, I do recognize that there is the 1020 01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:22.840 larger issue here of the police state, of the rising 1021 01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:28.400 and ridiculous and out of control governmental agencies who have 1022 01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:33.920 incrementally imploded our personal freedoms and have done nothing but 1023 01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:41.280 you know, expand their own power over us, the citizens 1024 01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:45.559 of this country. Right, I mean I recognize that as well, 1025 01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:49.119 But to say that there is no disparity, to say 1026 01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:52.119 that there is no treatment based on race in this 1027 01:05:52.280 --> 01:05:58.800 country is just intellectually dishonest. This still does occur, maybe 1028 01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:02.280 not to the degree, maybe not with the blatant sort 1029 01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:09.559 of well what can I say, brazen language that it 1030 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:13.480 used to occur, and whatever else, And maybe authorities don't 1031 01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:18.039 turn their backs as easily on these types of behaviors 1032 01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:20.679 as they once did. It does not mean that it 1033 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:27.039 is a completely irrelevant issue, Okay, And I know I'm 1034 01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:29.320 going to get all kinds of nasty crap about that, 1035 01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:32.400 but you know what reality is reality, and if you 1036 01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:35.320 don't want to face it, what can I say? I 1037 01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:39.719 don't know why you're listening to me, because this is 1038 01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:43.360 my goal is to try and unwrap the present that 1039 01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.960 they've given us, which is the delusion of the country 1040 01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:51.559 formerly known as the United States of America, right ah, 1041 01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:59.880 currently occupied formerly United corporate states of what was allegedly America. Yeah, yeah, 1042 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:03.840 it's time to unwrap that present and get really into 1043 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:09.599 what's in the box. So this is what's going on. 1044 01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:13.400 I'm kind of surprised that I only had the callers 1045 01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:16.079 in the first hour, and then of course network things 1046 01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:19.880 going haywire. Nobody comes back in. But that's okay. In 1047 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:22.440 case you do want to though, two one eight three, three, 1048 01:07:22.599 --> 01:07:26.280 nine eight five two five two one eight thirty three 1049 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:30.559 nine eight five two five, that is the number in 1050 01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:34.039 case you want to engage in this conversation with me. 1051 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:41.280 So again, moving forward with this entire story, there's a 1052 01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:45.480 great deal more to it, and I do suggest that 1053 01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:48.400 you read the article from Edwin Black which did explain 1054 01:07:49.400 --> 01:07:53.679 about this this alleged hit team that winds up showing up. 1055 01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:57.679 And this we're talking about is November two, right, so 1056 01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:04.320 it's twenty days before for the assassination. This whole play 1057 01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:08.199 goes on in Chicago, okay, and it is it has 1058 01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:11.920 been you know, dubbed the Chicago plot in JFK research circles. 1059 01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:14.920 If you go and look that up online, you'll find 1060 01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:17.600 that there's a great deal of information. You'll also find 1061 01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:19.279 that there was other things that were touched that were 1062 01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:23.039 not touched upon here regarding a guy named Thomas Arthur 1063 01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.319 Valley or a Valet, depending on how you want to 1064 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:32.720 pronounce it. You know, coincidentally, another ex marine who has 1065 01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:40.079 allegedly radical ties or or radical ideologies, and uh seems 1066 01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:43.560 to have been easily framed into the well kooky kid 1067 01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:50.760 who was misguided sort of framework that that Oswald ends 1068 01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:56.800 up being placed into much later. This guy was actually 1069 01:08:56.880 --> 01:09:02.239 detained at one point by my individual in the Chicago 1070 01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:06.119 Police Force there and kind of unlawfully as they had 1071 01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:08.479 done many many times, and were called on the carpet 1072 01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:14.119 for later. All Right, Valley is an interesting figure, but 1073 01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:20.479 not necessarily pertinent to Abraham's story or mister Bolden's story. 1074 01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:24.720 I should say the concept that that whole thing went 1075 01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:27.159 on in Miami. You know, I didn't want to argue 1076 01:09:27.159 --> 01:09:28.760 with him too much, but I don't put a lot 1077 01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:31.840 of stock into the mil Tier thing because he was 1078 01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:35.119 quite the consummate khan Man who was looking to be 1079 01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:41.600 an agitator, definitely someone who was against the concept of integration. 1080 01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:45.960 Had a very hateful sort of spin about doctor King, 1081 01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:48.720 and actually I did bring it up that he was 1082 01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:55.000 literally raising money to have Martin Luther King Junior assassinated. 1083 01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:59.000 This is one of the many provable things that Joseph 1084 01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:03.359 Miltier was involved in, and of course the tape recorded 1085 01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:09.039 conversation took place between himself and an informant named Willie Somerset, 1086 01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:16.800 I don't take into consideration very heavily the concept that 1087 01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:20.640 Miltier was present in daily Plaza and all this other 1088 01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:26.720 which I would categorize as mythology. Now, did he have 1089 01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:31.640 fore knowledge? It seems so, because it's eerily similar when 1090 01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:34.319 the man says that it'll be done from a tall 1091 01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:37.840 office building with a high powered rifle, which is exactly 1092 01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:42.159 the scenario that emerges, you know, a few, well some weeks, 1093 01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:47.920 a couple of months later, really regarding Kennedy's actual assassination details, 1094 01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:52.239 although I do contend that, you know, the headshot to 1095 01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:55.000 Kennedy certainly didn't emerge from the sixth floor of the 1096 01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:59.640 school book Depository building. Special note, by the way, Thomas 1097 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.039 Arthur Valley also worked in a building which was overlooking 1098 01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:09.000 the planned parade route in Chicago, Okay, actually had possession 1099 01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:11.960 of an old, beat up rifle and seemed to be 1100 01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:14.520 exactly the kind of guy who was disenchanted with the 1101 01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:17.920 United States and its policies and the president and so 1102 01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:21.159 on and so forth. And these are little tidbits that 1103 01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:24.640 they don't like to tell you, because, after all, and 1104 01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:28.279 according to my own personal research over time, not only 1105 01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:31.159 was there a plot in Chicago, there was certainly a 1106 01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:35.239 plot in a couple of different places in Florida, not 1107 01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:39.800 necessarily the Milti Air plot either, but parade routes had 1108 01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:42.279 to be changed, trips had to be canceled, and everything 1109 01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:47.880 else because of legitimate suspicions that were investigated by the 1110 01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:51.760 Secret Service. Never really completely followed through on, but there 1111 01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:54.439 was enough of a threat in order to change the 1112 01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:59.319 planning of parade routes and travel routes and of course 1113 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:03.840 trips and things like this. So that occurred in those 1114 01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:07.600 two cities, and I'm quite satisfied that there was also 1115 01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:12.439 a possibility of a plot in Los Angeles. I've heard 1116 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.479 many different stories. I mean, you know, if I took 1117 01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:18.720 every single possible plot across the country, you know, there 1118 01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:22.520 are some people that have never bumped into a conspiracy 1119 01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:25.880 theory that they did not love and therefore confined you 1120 01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:29.800 ten or fifteen plots. But when I'm telling you in 1121 01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:33.159 all honesty, I can find solid evidence for three to 1122 01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:39.560 four assassination scenarios in the months leading up to Kennedy's 1123 01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:46.439 assassination on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. So if 1124 01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:49.920 you assume that I'm only half right, there is still 1125 01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:56.079 duplicate plots with various aspects of their scenarios being similar, 1126 01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:00.359 being nearly the same. In fact, like I said, ex 1127 01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:05.319 marine in some cases, parade routes on office buildings, you know, 1128 01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:10.600 with elevated positions really badly picked out roots and things 1129 01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:14.439 like this, all kinds of stuff. And they did actually 1130 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:20.199 cancel the trip to Chicago that was being proposed for 1131 01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:23.399 November two. And there was a poor excuse that Kennedy 1132 01:13:23.479 --> 01:13:26.399 had had a cold or some nonsense given to the 1133 01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:30.199 press who was all lined up for his arrival there 1134 01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:35.319 in Chicago in advance of it. Okay, and in fact, 1135 01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:37.800 one of the arrangements had been changed in Florida at 1136 01:13:37.840 --> 01:13:45.079 one point where another similar type motorcade was supposed to commence, 1137 01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:49.560 and believe it or not, they wound up flying him in, 1138 01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:52.039 using like a helicopter or something like this to fly 1139 01:13:52.199 --> 01:13:54.880 him into the location instead of driving him through a 1140 01:13:54.960 --> 01:14:00.560 parade route through you know, some sort of shooting gallery 1141 01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:02.960 set up like we had in Daily Plaza. Well, they 1142 01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:07.319 avoided that because information had leaked to individuals trying to 1143 01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:11.760 do their job, albeit some of them not so well. 1144 01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:16.560 So there was enough of an alarm raised in other 1145 01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:21.680 cities to cause travel plans to be changed, you know, 1146 01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:25.520 in order to avoid the assassination, of course in Dallas, 1147 01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:29.119 which was the known hostile city to the president and 1148 01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:35.000 to well politicians in general, you know, even the the 1149 01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:40.279 well the Ambassador to the United Nations Adelaie Stevenson, who 1150 01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:44.720 had previously been a presidential candidate and was considered rather liberal, 1151 01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:48.319 and it was definitely a high profile member of the 1152 01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:54.439 Kennedy administration, you know, as an advisor and also, as 1153 01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:57.199 I said, the Ambassador to the UN for the United 1154 01:14:57.199 --> 01:15:01.319 States had actually been accosted in Dallas, what only a 1155 01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:05.319 few weeks before the assassination. It was pretty much a hotbed. 1156 01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:08.520 There was a lot going on there, and they don't 1157 01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:13.319 like it very much when you bring this up, you know, 1158 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:16.800 people talk about, well, gee, Dallas was sort of hung 1159 01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:21.640 with the title of you know, being the city of hate, 1160 01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:24.800 being the place where the president was killed, et cetera, 1161 01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:28.359 et cetera. You know, this was part of the reality 1162 01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:31.680 as well. In the aftermath of the assassination. Of course, 1163 01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:38.000 a completely botched police you know action je police action 1164 01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:43.680 that's funny, you know, investigation by the DPD, which you know, 1165 01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:47.359 resembled in my estimation like a Keystone Cops kind of 1166 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:52.079 event didn't help, and the National spotlight being what it was, 1167 01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:54.600 and of course let's not forget that that was also 1168 01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:58.279 the first day that the news truly went live twenty 1169 01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:03.159 four hours. So it is all these things that you 1170 01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:06.319 need to place into context when looking at A. Rambolden's story. 1171 01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:10.199 And you know, I've spoken about this before, and I 1172 01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:14.199 haven't actually had the opportunity to interview mister Bolden about 1173 01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:16.399 some of these details. There are a great many details 1174 01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:19.600 I'd like to know about, but tonight's presentation was about 1175 01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:22.159 getting out the general story. And believe me, if I 1176 01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:25.199 was conducting a private interview would sound nothing like what 1177 01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:28.880 we attempted to do tonight, even though we were quite 1178 01:16:29.079 --> 01:16:33.119 rudely interrupted. And once again I want to thank my 1179 01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:40.359 listeners somewhere on the East Coast who do find it 1180 01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:43.239 necessary to interfere every time that I bring up some 1181 01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:46.680 sort of government agency of the United States having been 1182 01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:50.159 involved in torture or terrorism or something like that. Well, 1183 01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:53.880 you know the implications of that are pretty nasty, I guess, 1184 01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:57.520 and it's a good thing to knock me off the 1185 01:16:57.560 --> 01:16:59.920 air and keep me off my game so that I 1186 01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:06.319 don't keep exposing that. But yeah, that's not gonna work, Fellas, 1187 01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:11.800 It's just not gonna happen. I'm gonna keep at it, 1188 01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:14.319 and I don't care if it's You know, I have 1189 01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:18.119 had doctor Frank Gregory ford On here to discuss being 1190 01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:21.279 the only intelligence operative in US history to ever be 1191 01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:26.800 renditioned and survive, Abraham Bolden having been forcibly drugged, wrongfully 1192 01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:31.520 convicted in a kangaroo court setting. You know, and believe me, 1193 01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:34.520 there's more to come. If you keep listening to the show, 1194 01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:38.199 You're gonna find out that I've got a particular nasty 1195 01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:42.920 sort of habit of needing to expose this type of 1196 01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:48.279 disgusting behavior because, after all, it is being conducted under 1197 01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:54.680 the guise of defending all of us. Steve, don't forget 1198 01:17:54.760 --> 01:17:56.840 that no matter what it is we're talking about, when 1199 01:17:56.880 --> 01:18:00.960 the US government is acting, is doing these things, is 1200 01:18:01.079 --> 01:18:07.199 participating in torture, incarceration, you know, the absolute theft of 1201 01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:11.600 an individual's human rights in one way or another, All 1202 01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:15.039 of that is being done in you the United States 1203 01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:23.720 citizen's name. Isn't that lovely? Well, So that's not going 1204 01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:26.840 to stop, regardless of what happens interference wise, I don't 1205 01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:29.560 care if the recordings disappear whatever, I'm going to keep 1206 01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:32.640 talking about it and I'll keep revisiting these topics. So 1207 01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:36.239 that's the way that's going to go. But I do 1208 01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:40.800 thank my friends in Langley and elsewhere, you know, who 1209 01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:44.800 are engaged in making sure that electronic interference is possible 1210 01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:49.479 in the strangest and most unique and innovative ways. I 1211 01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:54.479 do want to thank you for continuing to listen because 1212 01:18:54.520 --> 01:19:00.319 it means that I'm actually saying something of value. But 1213 01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:03.800 anyway back to it, like I said, you know about 1214 01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:07.000 mister Bolden's story, it's one of those things that just 1215 01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:14.560 absolutely aggravates me and is necessary and notice as respectful 1216 01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:17.199 and calm, and he's also like a man of faith. 1217 01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:19.199 And you know, I didn't even want to get into 1218 01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:22.800 that tonight at all because we didn't have time really 1219 01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:26.960 to examine him as an individual in quite the way 1220 01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:31.239 that I wanted. You know, he's one of these guys 1221 01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:33.680 that's very spiritual about it, doesn't want to sit here 1222 01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:36.600 and hold a grudge. But still what's fair is fair 1223 01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:40.000 and what's right is right when it comes to these things. 1224 01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:46.479 It's pretty amazing in my estimation, I really don't know 1225 01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:49.039 if I could do the same as he is doing. 1226 01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:50.800 I don't know if I could walk the same walk 1227 01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:54.119 and have the attitude that he's had. Of course, he 1228 01:19:54.199 --> 01:19:58.039 wants to alert you the people to the reality of 1229 01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:01.520 the situation that he endured, but really it's so that 1230 01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:06.199 the mistake is not repeated somehow. And in light of that, 1231 01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:12.439 you know, what is highly, highly fascinating to me also 1232 01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:23.159 is that, well, how shall I put this, It's not 1233 01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:28.640 just to enlighten individuals as to the ugly history. It's 1234 01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:32.960 not just to alert people as to the personal injustices 1235 01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:36.800 that he had to endure. But also notice the point 1236 01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:40.279 that was slipped in there that he realizes that since 1237 01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:46.319 that day, okay, since that day in Dallas, since that 1238 01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:53.079 day that our alleged leader was publicly executed, since that 1239 01:20:53.359 --> 01:20:57.880 day he does see the absolute incremental decline in the 1240 01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:05.439 personal freedoms of the people in this country. Makes you wonder, 1241 01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:09.520 not at all why I constantly say that he was 1242 01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:12.399 actually the last legitimate president that we had on our side, 1243 01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:15.560 Although I almost want to make an exception for Jimmy Carter, 1244 01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:18.560 because well, I think his hands were tied and that 1245 01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:20.960 he really wanted to do a whole lot more than 1246 01:21:21.039 --> 01:21:24.680 he did. But you know, it's difficult to know with 1247 01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:27.760 these guys, because almost none of them ever reached that 1248 01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:32.079 higher echelon anymore, or at least post November twenty second, 1249 01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:35.800 nineteen sixty three. They absolutely don't reach that higher echelon 1250 01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:40.279 of politics without being corruptible and corrupt, it seems in 1251 01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:43.800 one way or another. And maybe Carter was just quieter 1252 01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:48.399 about it, who knows. Course, not the last man to 1253 01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:51.079 challenge the CIA, but the last man to challenge the 1254 01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:54.439 CIA in any realistic fashion was Richard M. Nixon, And 1255 01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:56.720 of course, as I've stated many many times on this 1256 01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:59.600 program and others, you know, it was just simply too 1257 01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:03.079 soon to put a bullet into another politician's head. So 1258 01:22:03.479 --> 01:22:06.399 discrediting and destroying the man is what was done there. 1259 01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:12.119 And of course the wonderful multifaceted discussion about Watergate with 1260 01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:16.199 Scott Kaiser will give you an idea of the possibilities 1261 01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:20.920 there and that we did on what was it last Saturday? 1262 01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:30.319 So thinking very deeply about I'm trying to reach for 1263 01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:34.039 something here that I can't quite get to, the thinking 1264 01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:39.159 about what's coming up. Usually I don't do this, but 1265 01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:47.600 let's say, well, no, I don't have it in front 1266 01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:49.600 of me. It really doesn't even matter at this point. 1267 01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:53.279 I'll just finish out my time discussing what it is 1268 01:22:53.359 --> 01:22:57.119 that's on my mind. But even mister Bolden understands that, 1269 01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:01.760 you know that incrementally these things have been you know, 1270 01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:05.720 extinguished in one way or another, as the flames of 1271 01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:09.520 liberty that we were supposed to understand were part of 1272 01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:13.640 being born in this legend nation. 1273 01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:14.119 Right. 1274 01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:18.159 And I'll tell you why I find that so fascinating, 1275 01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:20.520 because that's nothing new to anybody who listens to any 1276 01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:24.239 program like mine at all. But I'll tell you why 1277 01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:26.079 I find it fascinating is that this is a guy 1278 01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:31.760 who was obviously, you know, oppressed at the time for 1279 01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:36.680 the sake of his well the complexion of his skin, right, 1280 01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:42.399 And that is not necessarily the largest concern any longer. 1281 01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:45.119 It may not be the huge hurdle that it once was. 1282 01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:50.399 But even coming from that perspective, even looking from then 1283 01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:55.119 to now, even he questions exactly how much freedom has 1284 01:23:55.159 --> 01:23:59.680 been lost by all of the American people. What does 1285 01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:06.960 that telling you? I mean, really think about that. What 1286 01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:11.960 does that explain if somebody who wasn't supposed to go 1287 01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:14.159 get and you know what, he was being rather kind 1288 01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:17.920 about the situation with with going and getting the job 1289 01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:20.239 with Pinkerton and going and getting the job with the 1290 01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:23.119 Secret Service, and didn't even tell you, even though he 1291 01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:25.399 did relate to you about the news being hung over 1292 01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:32.279 his desk and you know, particularly offensive illustrations of black 1293 01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:36.119 people being passed to him, and lots of these comments 1294 01:24:36.239 --> 01:24:40.319 being made, and you know, discussing how he didn't belong 1295 01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:42.880 there and this is who he was. And of course 1296 01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:46.560 his supervisor, that one gave him quite a startle when 1297 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:49.439 his own supervisor decided to tell him that, you know, 1298 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:53.399 he was nothing more than a nigger and therefore would 1299 01:24:53.399 --> 01:24:57.079 always be a nigger and etcetera, etcetera. I mean, all 1300 01:24:57.119 --> 01:25:01.279 of that. Here's the funny part in he's not even 1301 01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:04.840 telling you all of it, you know, I mean the 1302 01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:08.239 complaints and concerns and not taking him along on the 1303 01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:12.079 road trips because he couldn't stay at hotels. It actually 1304 01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:14.840 took the personal intervention of the President, which is kind 1305 01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:17.520 of weird to sit and scold the head of the 1306 01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:24.600 Secret Service more than once regarding these issues. And you know, 1307 01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:29.079 none of the films, none of the interviews, and I 1308 01:25:29.119 --> 01:25:33.439 don't even think his book probably fully does justice did 1309 01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:35.479 the amount of crap this guy went through. And I say, 1310 01:25:35.560 --> 01:25:39.359 once again, with that perspective in hand, what does it 1311 01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:43.880 tell you that this guy says that our freedoms are 1312 01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:47.880 being eroded, that we have lost them over time, that 1313 01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:51.640 they have done nothing but go downhill, That the entire country, 1314 01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:55.079 the entire situation, has done nothing but go downhill ever since? Then? 1315 01:25:56.399 --> 01:25:58.800 I mean, do I have to draw this correlation once again? 1316 01:25:59.199 --> 01:26:02.880 We can go back and say, well, you know, if 1317 01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:06.640 JFK had lived, he would have finished extracting us from 1318 01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:09.720 Vietnam and we would have a much different country today. 1319 01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:15.079 And some people think that that's extremely idealistic. It's not 1320 01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:22.520 the resonant effect that the Vietnam War had on And 1321 01:26:22.760 --> 01:26:24.840 here I go. You know, it sounds like hyperbole, but 1322 01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:31.359 on the soul of this nation is immeasurable. You know, 1323 01:26:31.479 --> 01:26:34.399 if you consider, okay, there was fifty eight thousand soldiers 1324 01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:36.840 that died, but there was more than a million men 1325 01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:42.319 returned back to this country mutilated in one way or another, 1326 01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:47.680 whether it be physically, psychologically, or spiritually. Okay, And that's 1327 01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:52.960 a fair estimate. That's not even probably the full true number, 1328 01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:55.640 but I mean that's a fair estimate of how many 1329 01:26:55.680 --> 01:26:57.800 men came back to this country. What do you think 1330 01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:04.840 happens when you have a damaged generation? Eventually they grow 1331 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:08.720 and the ones that didn't, you know, completely descend into 1332 01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:14.920 some other place wherever after affected. I mean, where do 1333 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:19.279 you think you know, the fathers, the brothers, et cetera, 1334 01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:23.319 et cetera, came from nineteen seventies onto now. And I'm 1335 01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:27.720 definitely talking about my parents' generation for sure. I mean, 1336 01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:31.159 I was born in nineteen seventy two, so I was 1337 01:27:31.239 --> 01:27:33.520 born while the Vietnam War was still going on, but 1338 01:27:34.079 --> 01:27:37.600 obviously at the tail end of it. Well not not 1339 01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:43.159 exactly the tail end, but pretty close. You know, generationally, 1340 01:27:43.239 --> 01:27:47.239 the Vietnam War was barely a reality to me. But 1341 01:27:47.560 --> 01:27:51.560 the fallout from it, I promise you, is something that 1342 01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:55.920 affected my entire generation. You know, that generation they used 1343 01:27:55.920 --> 01:27:59.079 to call X. Now they've gotten really ridiculous and trying 1344 01:27:59.119 --> 01:28:01.600 to name people everything. Three years or so, I mean, 1345 01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:04.760 what are we on now? The millennial post millennial Homeland generation. 1346 01:28:04.840 --> 01:28:06.800 I don't even know what to call these kids anymore. 1347 01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:13.600 But you know, the generation X as it was, as 1348 01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:18.479 it is was quite affected by this, and it wasn't 1349 01:28:18.640 --> 01:28:22.039 just because of the loss of family values. How are 1350 01:28:22.039 --> 01:28:24.600 you supposed to have family values when you have, you know, 1351 01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:30.880 a dysfunctional cornerstone in each of those families affected in 1352 01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:35.000 one way or another by the culture that rose up 1353 01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:38.279 from the Vietnam War. And I'm not even talking about 1354 01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:41.720 the glorification of protests and things like that, which is 1355 01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:47.439 largely a Hollywood creation, but it literally changed the atmosphere 1356 01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:51.560 and the entire sentiment of the nation. I mean, there 1357 01:28:51.640 --> 01:28:55.800 was definitely an illness in the psychology of this entire nation. 1358 01:28:56.079 --> 01:28:58.840 We collectively went through it, and then on top of 1359 01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:02.880 it a little while later, maybe half a generation later, 1360 01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:05.439 or maybe it was a full generation later, I'm not sure, 1361 01:29:05.520 --> 01:29:10.319 but they actually coined the term the post Vietnam guilt syndrome. 1362 01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:15.560 And this is why, you know, there's this later return 1363 01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:21.600 to the over emphasis of embracing veterans now but not 1364 01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:26.479 really see you notice there's always like a disingenuous sort 1365 01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:29.880 of fashion to these kinds of things. You know, we 1366 01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:34.840 went to over embrace the veterans symbolically with the yellow ribbons, symbolically, 1367 01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:37.319 with the magnets on the back of your car and 1368 01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:40.239 all those other wonderful things that were most likely made 1369 01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:44.319 in China in order to expound upon your own personal 1370 01:29:44.439 --> 01:29:47.600 patriotism and support of the troops. And oh, I don't 1371 01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:49.479 support the war, but I support the troops. But I 1372 01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:52.239 support the war. But I support my politicians, but I 1373 01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:54.359 trust them. But they're keeping us safe, and we got 1374 01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:55.920 to fight them over there, so we don't fight them 1375 01:29:55.960 --> 01:30:03.760 over here. And all this nonsense, it all germinated in 1376 01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:08.720 the soil, okay, in the dirt, in that which decayed 1377 01:30:09.279 --> 01:30:13.079 and became the soil of the soul of this country. 1378 01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:16.960 And it's all post Vietnam. So even if there was 1379 01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:21.600 half a chance that Kennedy would have followed through on 1380 01:30:22.039 --> 01:30:26.079 National Security Action Memorandum number two sixty three and would 1381 01:30:26.119 --> 01:30:29.920 have completed the withdrawal by the end of nineteen sixty 1382 01:30:30.119 --> 01:30:33.760 five from Vietnam, you mean to tell me you can't 1383 01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:38.439 recognize that this country would be a far different place 1384 01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:42.319 on a local level. I don't mean on a national level. 1385 01:30:42.560 --> 01:30:46.000 I don't mean in a geopolitical sense. I mean person 1386 01:30:46.079 --> 01:30:48.800 to person. You don't think that that sort of echoed 1387 01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:56.760 from that time on? Consider it? That's all I'm saying. 1388 01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:04.039 Who knows maybe I take this stuff too personally. Well, look, 1389 01:31:04.520 --> 01:31:07.960 I've got about fifteen minutes left, and I'll tell you 1390 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:11.680 if anybody dares to step into, uh into my mind 1391 01:31:11.720 --> 01:31:15.159 when I'm rambling all by myself two one eight three 1392 01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:18.199 three nine eight five two five, I'll take anybody that 1393 01:31:18.319 --> 01:31:21.359 calls in two one eight three three nine eight five 1394 01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:25.039 two five. Do apologize for the technical issues and everything 1395 01:31:25.079 --> 01:31:28.640 else earlier. Sorry about that, guys. And uh, even if 1396 01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:30.600 you want to drop in some sort of random comment 1397 01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:33.359 on the Skype, I'll be glad to take that as well. Uh. 1398 01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:36.199 Like I said, things did not turn out exactly as 1399 01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:39.439 I planned tonight, uh all the way around. But I 1400 01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:42.439 do think it was fascinating and I hope that you know, 1401 01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:45.840 you were able to take something from Abraham Bolden's story. 1402 01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:53.119 But I never work with a script. And uh, well, 1403 01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:55.800 here's one of those instances where it's kind of a 1404 01:31:55.840 --> 01:32:03.520 detriment to me. What are you gonna do anyway? When 1405 01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:10.199 I consider that after that period of post Vietnam guilt syndrome, right, 1406 01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:14.800 and then we saw the amping up of the you know, 1407 01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:18.920 nearly bloodless war, which was what the Persian Gulf the 1408 01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:22.720 first time around. You know, was an Operation Desert Shield 1409 01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:26.720 then turning into Desert Storm, which gave you trading cards, 1410 01:32:29.079 --> 01:32:33.359 trading cards people like Colon Powell and dear Lord you know, 1411 01:32:33.479 --> 01:32:36.039 the other guy's name completely eludes me at this time, 1412 01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:39.840 but there was another general It was supposedly instrumental in 1413 01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:43.000 that very surgical what they called at the time almost 1414 01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:46.199 a Nintendo War. And of course those of you out 1415 01:32:46.239 --> 01:32:49.520 there were a little younger might not understand that Nintendo 1416 01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:53.359 was actually the game system at the time, and you know, 1417 01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:57.800 it's simple sixteen bit graphics were well, you know, cutting 1418 01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:00.840 edge at least for a home entertaining and purposes, and 1419 01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:05.640 it seemed as though it was about as real as that. 1420 01:33:06.279 --> 01:33:08.119 It was also the first time that the cable news 1421 01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:11.880 networks went over there and covered this stuff extensively. Even 1422 01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:14.520 though we had allegedly live coverage of Vietnam in the 1423 01:33:14.600 --> 01:33:18.880 sixties and in the seventies, we didn't have this intimate 1424 01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:21.479 kind of thing. This is where people like you know 1425 01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:25.039 that still exist today in that in that medium, like 1426 01:33:25.159 --> 01:33:28.640 wolf Blitzer, got their start, et cetera, et cetera. Right, 1427 01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:33.079 I do believe christ John i'm impoor probably emerged right 1428 01:33:33.119 --> 01:33:36.479 around that time. I don't know a lot of these 1429 01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:39.239 news figures. They all become a blur to me. Wolf 1430 01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:40.920 Blitzer is one of these guys though, that I do 1431 01:33:41.119 --> 01:33:46.039 remember at one point being somewhere near Baghdad during bombings, 1432 01:33:47.079 --> 01:33:50.439 or somewhere near Riod or God only knows. At this 1433 01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:54.640 point it becomes a big scramble. But that gave us 1434 01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:59.880 the almost guilt of free access into warfare, especially in 1435 01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:05.800 Middle East. And once that resonated, well, gee, you know, 1436 01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:09.840 the horror of war was almost forgotten. The post Vietnam 1437 01:34:10.119 --> 01:34:13.399 guilt syndrome gone. The idea that we had lost a war, 1438 01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:16.319 believe it or not, that was a big, big issue 1439 01:34:16.439 --> 01:34:18.640 among people. They talked about it all the time. Oh, 1440 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:22.479 we lost a war. We lost a war. Doesn't matter 1441 01:34:22.560 --> 01:34:26.960 that we failed to achieve victory in Korea sometime before. 1442 01:34:27.039 --> 01:34:29.720 That doesn't matter that It's kind of really hard to 1443 01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:33.399 count who the true winners and losers were in what 1444 01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:36.760 is allegedly World War two, what is allegedly World War One, 1445 01:34:37.399 --> 01:34:41.039 what is allegedly the Spanish American War, what is allegedly 1446 01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:45.119 the Revolutionary War. Because I'll tell you it's one of 1447 01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:47.439 the most interesting things to contemplate when you take a 1448 01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:51.960 look at the actual influences over this country and over 1449 01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:55.640 our financial system, and over our people, et cetera, et cetera. 1450 01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:58.560 It is one of those things to consider sometimes, did 1451 01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:01.359 we actually achieve victory reading the Revolutionary War in the 1452 01:35:01.399 --> 01:35:06.039 first place. I know that sounds like a crazy, crazy 1453 01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:10.520 sort of idea too, doesn't it. But then again, if 1454 01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:15.840 you would have told someone that, you know that we'd 1455 01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:21.000 be having this type of discussion fifty years later about 1456 01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:25.399 how people were being silenced and shut down regarding the 1457 01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:30.479 realities of the assassination in nineteen sixty three. You know, 1458 01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:33.279 if you would have told somebody that in nineteen sixty five, 1459 01:35:33.439 --> 01:35:37.920 sixty six, sixty seven, you know, before the deluge of 1460 01:35:38.039 --> 01:35:41.920 individuals who were re examining and actually questioning the first 1461 01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:47.399 official conclusion of the United States regarding that assassination, if 1462 01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:49.640 you were to say it to those people back then, 1463 01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:52.479 they might have said, there is no way that this 1464 01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:56.199 hasn't been resolved. It has already been resolved. And even 1465 01:35:56.279 --> 01:36:01.039 if it even if there were questions remaining, I'm sure 1466 01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:03.359 that you smart people will figure it out with your 1467 01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:08.600 brand new technologies in only a couple of years. Anyway, Meanwhile, 1468 01:36:08.640 --> 01:36:11.600 we're still applying brand new forensic techniques to the old 1469 01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:16.239 shabby evidence, and we're still arguing about and discussing all 1470 01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:21.520 these things. So before I do get out of here 1471 01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:24.720 once again, I want you to look up the campaign 1472 01:36:24.800 --> 01:36:30.279 to exonerate or expunge the record of Abraham Bolden Boldn 1473 01:36:31.520 --> 01:36:34.039 Abraham spelled just like you think it would be a 1474 01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:40.039 br h am Abraham Bolden. The book is called The 1475 01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:42.920 Echo from Daly Plaza. And I know I went off 1476 01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:46.000 on kind of a strange little rant here, but what 1477 01:36:46.279 --> 01:36:51.199 can I do? Yeah, I definitely suggest that you take 1478 01:36:51.199 --> 01:36:53.000 a look at it. I also suggest you take a 1479 01:36:53.079 --> 01:36:55.520 look at well, let's see now. I think it's just 1480 01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:59.840 known as the Chicago Plot article written by Edwin Black 1481 01:37:00.359 --> 01:37:05.279 in the nineteen seventies for the Chicago Monthly because the 1482 01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:09.239 unnamed source in that article who took lie detector tests 1483 01:37:09.720 --> 01:37:16.640 when attesting to the investigation regarding this you know fire 1484 01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:20.000 team that was imported into Chicago who had apparently been 1485 01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:24.279 part of a gun running operation earlier on Well, you 1486 01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:27.600 know those guys that we mentioned tonight. Yeah, well you 1487 01:37:27.640 --> 01:37:31.760 know Abraham Bolden was telling that story to investigative journalist 1488 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:39.039 Edwin Black way back then. And if you search on 1489 01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:41.560 YouTube a little bit, you'll find videos about it. Actually 1490 01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:45.760 on my channel, my YouTube channel, the blind JFKA Researcher channel, 1491 01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:50.720 you'll find a news report from Chicago from some years 1492 01:37:50.800 --> 01:37:55.000 back explaining about the Chicago plot and things like that, 1493 01:37:55.520 --> 01:37:57.439 and how, gee, there may have been a very very 1494 01:37:57.520 --> 01:38:02.159 similar plot three weeks before. Tell us to what happened 1495 01:38:02.199 --> 01:38:07.399 in Dallas. What does that say? Well, either you have 1496 01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:10.479 multiple conspiracies all over the place that seemed to mirror 1497 01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:14.000 one another, or it was a concerted effort where they 1498 01:38:14.159 --> 01:38:16.600 just tried several plans and it just happened to come 1499 01:38:16.680 --> 01:38:25.800 together real nice in Dallas. But anyway, wrongfully convicted Abraham Bolden. 1500 01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:30.680 If you check out the trial records, you know, and 1501 01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:33.319 he was right to correct me that there was actually 1502 01:38:33.359 --> 01:38:36.279 two trials, and one of them exactly as he described, 1503 01:38:36.279 --> 01:38:38.880 as crazy as that sounds, putting himself as lawyer and 1504 01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:42.840 the public outside of the courtroom, locking them out in 1505 01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:45.760 order so that he could instruct the jury. And then 1506 01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:49.359 and then the very same judge who had made sure 1507 01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:51.560 to render his opinion to the jury in the previous 1508 01:38:51.640 --> 01:38:54.720 trial that mister Bolden was absolutely guilty and they needed 1509 01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:58.600 to reconsider that very same guy locks everybody out like 1510 01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:02.680 that and then in secret turns around and issues a 1511 01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:07.640 verdict which is allegedly collected from the jury, et cetera, 1512 01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:15.039 et cetera. Doesn't that sound quite unbelievable, Well believe it. 1513 01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:18.359 That's exactly what happened. And meanwhile, this guy wound up 1514 01:39:18.399 --> 01:39:21.279 serving the time that he's talking about and being forcibly 1515 01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:25.439 drugged and g isn't that what a lot of people 1516 01:39:25.479 --> 01:39:27.960 are afraid of when it comes to trying to tell 1517 01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:31.399 the truth? Isn't that what a lot of people are 1518 01:39:31.399 --> 01:39:35.279 afraid of when it comes to speaking some ugly realities 1519 01:39:35.439 --> 01:39:39.880 about this government? A lesson to be taken, And not 1520 01:39:40.119 --> 01:39:43.199 just because the man is black or African American, which 1521 01:39:43.199 --> 01:39:45.319 I found out he's more comfortable with that than being 1522 01:39:45.399 --> 01:39:49.680 called black. But not just because the man was is 1523 01:39:50.880 --> 01:39:57.039 you know, of that particular ethnicity, But as an American 1524 01:39:57.119 --> 01:40:01.039 citizen one to another, is this not something to consider that? 1525 01:40:01.239 --> 01:40:03.600 You know, sometimes the people that attempt to tell you 1526 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:08.880 the most truth are the most punished. And as much 1527 01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:12.600 as that as sickens us, as much as that seems 1528 01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:15.199 like it is not part of the reality that what 1529 01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:19.119 is you know, American what is supposed to be the 1530 01:40:19.399 --> 01:40:24.520 conventional behavior of the American system is no longer intact. 1531 01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:28.439 As much as that may be revolting, repugnant and ridiculous 1532 01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:35.880 to most of us, it is nevertheless the reality. So 1533 01:40:37.960 --> 01:40:42.079 what else can be said? Not a whole lot. But 1534 01:40:42.119 --> 01:40:43.880 I'll tell you what. Just before I do get out 1535 01:40:43.920 --> 01:40:47.680 of here, I would like you to go and check 1536 01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:51.399 out the blog site which I'm running. And I started 1537 01:40:51.479 --> 01:40:54.840 work on a blog yesterday and couldn't get it finished 1538 01:40:54.840 --> 01:40:58.760 because I lost power, internet everything for the majority of 1539 01:40:58.800 --> 01:41:01.640 the day. And I did say a couple of days 1540 01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:03.439 ago that I was going to get back to writing 1541 01:41:03.520 --> 01:41:06.000 on there. But if you go there, you'll see wrap 1542 01:41:06.119 --> 01:41:11.000 ups of this show, links to the archives, links to 1543 01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:15.199 a fr American Freedom Radio. All of that is over 1544 01:41:15.279 --> 01:41:18.760 there at zen in the Car. Literally, that's what it is. 1545 01:41:19.119 --> 01:41:22.159 Z E N I N T H e c A 1546 01:41:22.479 --> 01:41:28.000 R dot com slash TE standing for the Ocelly Effect, 1547 01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:33.239 and exclusive content will be there available very soon. I've 1548 01:41:33.279 --> 01:41:35.640 decided to take all the audio content, whether it's pre 1549 01:41:35.720 --> 01:41:39.319 recorded or otherwise, and send it through American Freedom Radio, 1550 01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:43.079 so you may occasionally see a special emerge on the 1551 01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:46.439 archive page. The only one up there right now is 1552 01:41:47.039 --> 01:41:50.239 doctor Edwin Group. And in the first half of the show, 1553 01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:51.880 and in the second half of the show, was another 1554 01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:55.560 something else that happened in an impromptu nature where I 1555 01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:59.239 was called upon to comment to people in Europe regarding 1556 01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:03.600 American pology. And believe me, my ranting and raving on 1557 01:42:03.680 --> 01:42:05.680 there was a whole lot more coherent than you heard tonight. 1558 01:42:07.880 --> 01:42:10.039 But then again, you know, I was actually all worked 1559 01:42:10.119 --> 01:42:14.159 up and not looking to simply focus on one story there. 1560 01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:18.239 I was quite already in the correct mindset to go 1561 01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:21.159 up and down on everything from the general state of 1562 01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:25.520 the American politic to the Donald and et cetera, et cetera. 1563 01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:27.840 So if you want to hear what it's like when 1564 01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:29.960 I'm just being asked questions as if I were a 1565 01:42:30.119 --> 01:42:36.199 spokesperson for this country, Yeah, that's what it sounds like. 1566 01:42:36.760 --> 01:42:38.399 And in the first hour that, like I said, with 1567 01:42:38.560 --> 01:42:43.920 Edwin Group from a global global health center, you know, 1568 01:42:44.239 --> 01:42:48.239 he has a lot of interesting information and stuff you 1569 01:42:48.319 --> 01:42:50.800 need to check out regarding, you know, taking back some 1570 01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:53.880 of your health in a natural way and utilizing your 1571 01:42:53.920 --> 01:42:59.079 own bodies natural self healing systems. So we cover a 1572 01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:03.920 lot of different things here you know, politics, media assassinations, 1573 01:43:04.079 --> 01:43:07.760 et cetera, et cetera. That is what it is like 1574 01:43:07.880 --> 01:43:10.479 to deal with my brain on occasion, and that's why 1575 01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:14.319 we call it the o'ceelly effect. So once again, people, 1576 01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:17.840 I do thank you for tuning in, and I'm very 1577 01:43:17.960 --> 01:43:19.680 sure that something else will be coming up here on 1578 01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:23.119 American Freedom Radio after me. And by the way, we 1579 01:43:23.279 --> 01:43:27.079 are listeners supported. 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