Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to Travis told
you October twenty seventh, twenty twenty five. A few days away.
We it is Halloween week. We are a few days
away from the greatest day of the year, Halloween. Hallows Eve,
they guess hallow Ease. Is that technically the term, right?
They have the all Hallows Eve? But that's not like
Christmas Eve. But who knows. It's a great time. That's
my favorite day of the year. It feels a little
odd this year because we're doing the Extra Life stream
next week. So usually it's like Halloween and then the
stream happens, so it's feeling odd. Next year is gonna
be the same thing as Halley's on its Saturdays. The
next couple days or next couple of days, the next
couple of years is gonna be great, obviously. I think
I've said this before. With Halloween, we usually just let
the girls take it off anyway to school if they
want to right, sometimes they want to go in.
Speaker 2: But so far, think the past couple.
Speaker 1: Years after Halloween, w we say hey, you want to
stay or you want to go? They're picking to say either.
Candy hangout. We kind of do like in a dead num.
Usually the weekend a couple of days after is a
couple other Halloween movies we haven't watched. We're gonna be
watching so but we're gonna be doing a lot, I
think this year because we're there's a there's a lot
of stuff. We're just it's we're a busy bunch, you know.
That's the thing with the fuck kids now, lots of activities.
Gwen does dance what is it right now? Monday, Tuesday, Friday,
and then Saturday and Sundays. Sometimes they're combined, but still
that's like five days of the weeks. Logan's in kung
fu and then has girl guides, and then Ellie just
does one. But you know, she's four years old now
next year she's in kindergarten. She'll do more. It's it's
always something, right, So I feel like in schedules, podcasting, life,
So I feel like this is definitely with the family
the most, like the least amount of Halloween stuff of
watch this. Yerehich just kind of a bummer, but we'll
make up for we have actually, I guess just been
spamming lots of times. We try to watch all of
Goose bums and are you afraid the darks over in
the middle of that, and yeah, no, it's a good time.
And then November then Christmas just crazy. But yeah, I
hope everyone is doing well. I am here for today.
At least Wednesday is a TVD I put that or
that will be on the geek for a schedule this
week that drops on Patreon because I am off Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
and Monday for my day job. I booked that off,
fucking mister Patzer because I usually book off a few days.
I always make sure Halloween's booked off the day before that,
but I also book off the day after the twenty
four hour stream, like the Monday after, and then a
few days so I can prep did move the stream.
So now I have a random money off for no reason.
I can't take the Monday off for the actual extra life,
so yeah, you know, but whatever, it's all good. So yeah,
we got that going on obviously, November eight, twenty four
hours extra LFE. That's gonna be a ton of time,
a ton time, tons of time, and a fun time.
Everything's getting announced, events, et cetera. As usual. I added
to the schedule this week as even there's something that
came up where all the events right now, I think
the events that are locked in are like the events
that are on the schedule are happening, you know, unless
something really fantastic happens but are catastrophic. I don't know
what curtastic means. But the events are happening. It's just
a question of I'd say, the tournament and the trivia
at those times are locked in. The rest of stuff
kind of gets to oh, I'll be there, I might
have to step out of this time, et cetera. So
as always have to change. But we will do said things,
and we will do the stretch goals if we unlock them.
This Thursday, we'll go over a full preview. We're gonna
do Geek versus six seven seven. It's give me myself,
dil Muss, and Taylor Field because obviously, Kirk, I'm still
in your hand until the stream. So yeah, we'll be
going over some Halloween fun stuff what we've been watching,
and actually full preview, lots of good stuff and yeah,
feed lots of good things. Listen to it chapter no,
not it chapter I guess it will. Welcome to Dary
episode one that's out now. Our review of that and today, Yeah,
talking to Inspire Man four about I didn't have this
on the run day. I don't think we've ever talked
about this in any like spectrum because I thought, I
don't know, but then the guy that mattson Thompson Mattson Thomson,
that's a tongue twister. But he had said some comments
about it that I was like, this is kind of
the weird way he phrased it is kind of weird
that maybe there is a possibility. Right, So we'll talk
about Obviously we've kind of fantasy been like, oh and
that'd be amazing, but I'll talk about why I think
he said what he said and what it could mean
and hopefully we could get that. I mean, I review
Franke Gtstein and Shelby Oaks. I got to see that
on the weekend, did a doubleheader. There'll be no spoilers,
so don't worry about that little box office breakdown. I
got a question from Mike from last episode have to
so I'll do that, But yeah, I will say I guess, yeah,
there might be a little bit of a break so
I'll say for trust told you this Wednesday is a TBD.
Next Monday will be a no because that I'm often
that I definitely know because Wednesdays some other stuff's happening
where amily and twins might be at the house, et cetera.
So it's like, okay, may there's time, but if not,
or I'll do the night one, but little ify Monday, know,
so there might be a chance. I'm not doing a
trashold you until November fifth, So just a programming note,
you'll hear lots from me, got GV episode, Got Side
Quests tonight with Dylan Prader. Bad Lands is coming up.
That's exciting, A Shining retrospective will be released for the public,
and lots of stuff on Patreon. So I would appreciate
you going over there. And yeah, just trest told you
you're gonna go for about an hour as usual, talk
about some stuff. Let's talk about some things. But yeah,
very exciting. Halloe man, it's it's a good time. I
just watched people on the stairs, but you know, I'm
not gonna talk about that because uh, we'll talk about
that on Thursday. So okay, let me get these exact
comments obviously ASPIREMN for and this is specifically with totally
done Sam Raimi right years ago when Twitter was not
even like a thing. But I guess it was online.
I think people have shown this sweet before where Sony
announced like the day because Spider Man three comes out
in seven, and I think, let me see if I
can find Spider Man for Toby tweet. I doubt anything's
gonna come out now, but let's see if I can. Okay, no,
maybe it is here Sony Pictures. Yeah, this is crazy
so March because I feel like I got on Twitter
around two thy twelve. Yeah, I got Twitter because I
don't know why, just because I had to have wrestling.
I don't know, like honestly that's why. But I feel
there's something in particular. I think it was like funny enough,
even though he doesn't really use that much. It might
be shout out to the gimmick or wrestling show. I
feel like it was around two thou No, I think
it was twenty eleven. Yeah, I think it was around
the top. It was before that, but I just feel
it was around the time when Seeing Punk was about
to leave W to B And I want to talk
about it. This at a point where none of my friends, Yeah,
that's definitely it. None of my friends, No, longer watched wrestling.
My first follows and followers were all just wrestling related,
and that's what it was, where I had no friends
to talk about wrestling anymore. Com books were starting to
pop off. I had people they were still watching those
with wrestling. I used to maybe I indoctrinated some of
my friends, but they they're interested, Like I feel like
all my friends that geek first friends will say that
they put up with it a little bit, but they go, Okay,
I understand a bit of wrestling. I might watch. Obviously
they've watched a few things with wrestling for me, and
we did some streams, but that was a day where
I had no one to talk about it. So I
got that this is like twenty eleven, twenty twelve. And
then look at this tweet from so this is two
thousand and nine March Sony, like the Sony official count
put this out here. I'll pull it up for the visuals.
Look at this Sony pictures to really spreading for May sixth,
twenty eleven. That's crazy tweet out my Arch twelfth, twenty
nine fifty three, which is kind of nuts right to
think about Twitter that time.
Speaker 2: But obviously lots of those.
Speaker 1: Things have those origins where they were around for a
while and then got a falling right, and my god,
my looking at my fucking hair. I'm just I'm said
with my costume is maybe I have but if not,
I'll show it on Thursday. It's nothing crazy, but I've
been growing the hair out for it a little bit.
Can't wait to get a cut before the stream. It's
just been and I've wanted to get some length, but
it's just like the sides are weird. I just I
don't know, so actually life I'll be looking fly. But
so obviously a lot of this has sparked, definitely sparked
after Noah hom Toby comes back.
Speaker 2: That's a big thing.
Speaker 1: I think it was everyone like, oh, imagine if we
get the three Spider Men together, that happens, what can
we do?
Speaker 2: Blah blah.
Speaker 1: And I remember there being rumors from other scoopers being like, oh,
they're talking to Emma, they're talking to Andrew, they're talking
to Toby. The rumors with I think the end of
the thing was always going to be tied to what
happens with Andrew. And we talked, we've talked about before
where it's all like lower tier Scoopers all see Tears Scoopers,
but multiple scoopers had said that sounded like some of
the rumors were a commination of them trying to get
him into that Sony universe that was going on that's
now dead. So thank god he didn't do that with
another dead universe. Maybe he could have revived, but still
that or the idea was they brought him in, kind
of pitched some ideas and either he wanted some much
like the Solo stuff. It sounds not creative control, but
sound like they are just let's make a movie. And
he was like, well, let's make a movie with some
care and let's get a scriptwriter of this you know degree,
let's get a director of this degree. And who knows, right,
could just be someone putting out there. I know people
have joked. I think there was some proof of Andrew
Garfield having some sort of like fan burner accounts of
people said oh, like again, could someone just text someone
and say, oh, this is what happened? Sure, but let's
just say that was it right? And that that to
me is believable with the the that's the problems sometimes
with the narratives, even if they're not true.
Speaker 2: If they're believable enough.
Speaker 1: That's why you're gonna run with them, right, because look
at the stuff Sony was putting out.
Speaker 3: They to me, I'm not saying they had to oh jeez,
I'll talk about that maybe in a second. I'm not
saying they had to go get Martin Scorsese and Christopher Nolan,
but look at what they did a Spider Verse, And
even then you could argue room Flies, Sure, okay, like
stirt off some talent, but I just feel like they
did not that they just felt like Cashion's right. As
we've talked about before, Hollywood's always trying to cash in,
but there's always a level degree of is there a
fine bounce between we're trying to make money and then
investing in the art in this or is just trying
to make money?
Speaker 1: And that's where the Sony Universe with Venom Morbius Crane,
which I saw seen, that's what it ended up feeling
ran right. So I can believe that. And there's been talks.
I don't think Toby's ever been asked if I know
Dance has, I know Sam Raimi has, so what they've
also and they just said, yeah, that'd be great and
Dune said yeah, that'd be great, right, and it just
kind of feels like it's nothing. And even this which
I talked about the beginning, Mattson Thomlinson, if you don't
always run a bunch of stuff he wrote, I think
recently that's come out is he did Terminair Dark Faith,
which is really good. He was an uncredited writer on
The Batman. I don't remember how that went down. He
just talked about this in his threads where he said
like he didn't find out to the day of the
trailer and was kind of heartbroken, right, but luckily at
least he's insinuated on part two. He's a co writer
with Matt Reeves and he's gonna get credit this time.
So he did write some of The Batman. He's gonna
write some of The Batman Part two. Not sure how
much of a you know what, but the writing partners.
So he had before said that he had a pitch
or an idea yea, And that's where it became kind
of fan stuff, like, well, you got this writer who
you know has some level of success. You got Kirsten,
you got Sam Raimi, all saying yeah, we do it,
like that'd be so awesome have happened, right, That was
very much the fans stuff. But he did this kind
of quba which he pops on Twitter. I don't think
you even fall him, but I see this stuff. And
so the quote was someone asked him. I can't remember
what the set of the question. I'm not sure if
this article has it here or not. Let's see not really,
so I don't know what the setup was. But his
answer was slow and steady wins the race. There won't
be anything to say about that for a long time,
if ever, because it involves a lot of people politics
and things going right and have nothing to do with me.
But I haven't gotten a no yet. So there's two
versions of this, right. There's a version where he's emailed
or spoke to a Sony exec like at a party, Hey,
I got this idea and like oh cool, great, and
that's it, right, And that could be his like, oh,
they haven't said no. And I apologize if my WiFi
seem weird. I'm seeing like I'm moving slow, so I'm
sorry if there's any audio or video issues. Not sure
what's going on there. But there's a version of that
where at some embellishment of I haven't gone to know,
So it's just somebody type away pitching it and no
one's saying no. Right, I feel like my hope and
everybody has a different spectrum, and this guy's much more
successful me than That's fine, but I would hope somebody
on his level would probably say, don't say something in
this elk of it is just I bumped into somebody.
I sent an email and just because like if you
if you ask, if you send a text, a Facebook message,
an email, you just ask someone out on a date
and your back in six months, that's a no. You know.
That's not like, well I'm wait, I haven't got to
know yet. No, that's a no. That means it's dead.
It's down the water, not happening.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say he's been the business long enough,
he's been around some bigger projects. He knows some of
what he's doing here. Uh So for me, that means
he had to talk to like, let's say it's not that,
not just a quick hey, I'd like to Let's say
it is somebody. Let's say he is at Sony, because
they do this all the time, right, if they work
with people, they either say hey, what pictures on some
stuff like Kem Smith talks with a story like they
went to him with w B and I think he
was like Superman and Beetlejuice. So it's like they wanted
him to work on an ip doing something right so
I could see he has a level of success. What
do you want to work on? Mattson Thompson right, like
what interests you? And there's a version of that where
he pitches this idea and maybe there's someone in the
room with some poll or connect experiment goes you know what,
that's not bad. Let me inquire right now, as we
just saw with the fucking Ben solo thing, it could
be that. And there is more rumors so that I
think I might bring them up again on Thursday because
I would love to get Dylan's take on that, because
Worri's with Star Wars and just a few more things
with Taylor. But the idea of that was script pitch,
working title, you know, working with people to problem solve
the script.
Speaker 2: All this stuff.
Speaker 1: It gives it to Alan Berman and Bob Biger and
this report was all It took longer than usual to
say no or just to read it, and it sounds
felt like bub Biger maybe said no politically because he
wants to be behind Alan because he's a replacement all
this stuff. Right, So that's the same way where someone
could believe in Thompson's script but then bring it to
anybody and go, you know what, let's not do this, right,
So it could just be that. It also could be
to try to be positive, is hey, we're doing Spier verse,
we're gonna finish that up where because there's also rumors
going around that Holland is not in Doomsday, but Maguire
is right, whether that's a post credit, whether that's an
actual scene just to set something up, or as a
character who knows that could be a version two of
maybe he gets captured and that brings Holland into the adventure. Right,
you would think the whole world multiverse being at a
at risk would already bring in Tom Holland. But you know,
sometimes you still need the red right, Like the same
thing Halt crashing down into Doctor Strane's sanctums and torum.
No matter what, Doctor Strane's was gonna help out when
Dano was invaded, but it gave a thread to the
story to make it more just flow a lot better, right,
So that's where I'm trying to take the hopeful prose,
because the bad approaches they pitch it, Yeah, it's a
great idea, let me talk and it goes nowhere, just
in the ether fairy dust, right, the good approach and
hopeful approaches. Hey, he's in Doomsday. We know he's in
segareg Wars, he's in cigare Wars. Let's cap that off
and same thing too. Maybe it's a we don't know
the fate of that character, so we don't want to
promise anything like let's say they want to have told
McGuire have like a big iron in moment, et cetera,
which I don't, don't think it's warranted like and I
know that that's where I'm usually not on Sony's side
with these things, right because obviously mcu lately has been rocky,
but they have a far better They just lap Sony
with the track record right of what they've been doing
in the past couple of years. But in the defense
of Sony and they are working together. But I would say, hey,
if you want a big like if they have any
interest in doing Spiermen, for if they don't yet kill
me off, big moment cool, But if they have the
slightest interest, which I don't know why they wouldn't if
they'd the slightest interest, or maybe an idea of an interest,
like we might be interested this in three years to
take it off the table now, obviously character style of time,
it's never gone. But if you want that exact version
and he dies and then you can just do Spidermen.
Speaker 2: For that seems odd, right?
Speaker 1: You could always place it before Doomsday is like a prequel.
You could always say, oh, this is like another what
if of what if he didn't go to the m
stupid it's the same Toby, It gets the muddled right,
It's the same way if I didn't love it. And
I'm not saying this is the reason the flash bombed
or anything, but I think one thing that at least
hurt a lot of the Batman stuff was, you know,
Keien was great. I like the story of him being
kind of very ganned off the white to have a
Batman where he's a god tear and the idea like, yo,
you kind of save Gotham. So I don't mind that
idea of what this is a what if of Batman
kind of getting this happy ending. But the way, it
wasn't exactly. Michael Keanes Batman from eighty nine returns felt
a little odd. You know, it's like, why, like you
feel more invested then, right, even if he was gonna die,
it's like, well, that's fine, like he's I don't think
he's doing more. But that's the same thing. They didn't
want to do more, hence castilation backgirl. It does get
messy and confusing with the multiverse and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: But that's why if you have any idea and you
guys are.
Speaker 1: A partnership, I say, hey, dude, you ever you want,
but let's not if you want a big sacrifice, cool,
make it one of your characters. Don't make it Toe
maguire right, because why should they bend the knee? Because
obviously Marvel's MSU's helped them. They have a good partnership.
They share money, they share creative stuff. I get it right.
You might not want to puff at your You're like,
well you don't do that, but you still got to
stand your ground and say, hey, that's great that you
would want this big moment, but we can have a potential.
Whether it's just a one off movie, which I think
would be very successful I think no, I don't prove that.
I think this is a legacy sequel, Like the money
is there. It's not like Keen with Flash that Bomb
or any End Jones that Bomb. I think obviously with Jackman,
with Garfield and Maguire on the Marble side, they have
proof of this could work, especially like budgetary reasonly, well,
this could really work out for us.
Speaker 2: I think it'd be more than fair to.
Speaker 1: Say we're not gonna have you kill off one of
orips just to have a big moment here. Especially it's
different Marvel does this. They got Fantastic four hopefully cooking
doing more. They got X Men starting up. They might
reboot some of these characters. They got a whole thing,
right Sony, especially if they keep working with them too. Well,
they're Tom Hollands still tied to that, so that's happening
right now. Miles Marlesons spire Verse. They've said that they're
not gonna do any live even five. He said that
they're not doing anything live action with the characters. So
that's done. They've killed the Sony universe, which you know
most that didn't work, but the Venom movies made money
and produced, so it's almost like that would be a
natural step of you finished Spider Verse, Tom Hollands and
mcu stuff. The Venom stuff's done. What do you do? Well,
let's go do a legacy sequel before we start in
new universe X, Y and Z. You can't just hey,
we're we're gonna do you know, another like another. At
least they don't want to another Spider Man, right, And
I guess you could do Garfield. The same thing kind
of applies there, But I just feel it would feel
odd for them just to have that dying off. Right,
But again they get told him that hey, we're the
Balls in five company, The ball and fis Company's court.
They can do whatever they want and if he's alive, great,
we'll come back this. If it's not, then sorry, Matt's
and that's not gonna happen. I don't think the money,
or I don't think the money isn't killing him off.
I think there's lots of other characters, and I think
there's tons of money.
Speaker 2: Whatever the pitches, whether.
Speaker 1: It is like the current Ultimate Spider Man Run where
it's Mary Jane and Peter have kids and he's you know,
and I obviously wouldn't be like that right, But I mean,
like that concept of Peter Parker Mary Jane with the
kids older. I think that's a good idea because you're
not gonna do that. I don't think with Andrew if
you were to come back, I don't think you're going
to do that with Tom HOLMESPIERMN currently. I think you
get Peter Parker, Peter Parker, you get Toby, get Kristen back.
That's obviously you need those. You need Kristen as well.
I don't want some fucking shit where MJ died in
between movies though, that to me would honestly hurt. Like
it's a package deal, even though I don't think they're
like one of the greatest couples ever in combok history reading.
The chemistry is there, but to me, it is a
package deal. And I do I know he's pitching Ramy,
that's the other thing. And again too with Ramy, like
why couldn't you like with like obviously doctor strangers there,
but they always go with Hollywood, what have you done
for me lately? And that was a success, so I
would go, hey, the last time he worked with Marvel stuff,
it was a success. I don't see why they wouldn't
get Sam back to me that it's not a deal
breaker for.
Speaker 2: The public.
Speaker 1: I think it's a deal breaker for me for a
lot of success. Don't get me wrong. If they said, hey,
for whatever reason, we got Toby and Kirsten back, but
we couldn't get Sam back or he didn't want to
do it, whether it's money or creative, I go, well,
that sucks a lot. Now I'm still excited for those
two characters, but I'm going to be a lot more
pessimistic on the movie coming out. Right, But you get
Sam back, then we're good to go. You get a
hot young actor or someone new to play one of
the villains, that works out. You can cast those kids.
You don't have to do them as babies, they could
be teenagers. You can get a good actor and actress
to play one of those children. Like it's there. I think,
no matter what, is a success. I wouldn't say it's
a billion dollar movie. It could be. I think it
could be with some of the legacy and the kind
of nostalgia people have for that, But with these characters
as long as budgeted again appropriately, I think it would
be a success. Varying degrees of it, right and that
is before we get trailers, promotion all that stuff, right,
So and again maybe that's the idea too, that they
don't even know if they want to have two Spider
Man movies out. I think that can work because I
think No Way Home kind of set that up perfectly
of Tom Holm as the Marvel MCU spider Verse or
Spider Man, and then Toyo's over here doing his own adventures.
Like I don't think that to me is less confusing
than the for the public audience or the general audience,
more than the Batman raw pass and Batman thing right,
and also like not saying it's impossible gun and everybody
can make that if they do it right, they can
make that easy as well. Is here's a Batman there,
and here's the Batman there, same thing. This Batman's by himself,
this Batman's was Superman great as long as you market
And that's why Knowing Home did has a story. I
think they did a good job of flushing that out
and showing okay, you can go down this route. So
that's the only reason I talked about it today is
because it was interesting that he says it's not no
yet and there could be tons of things we hear projects.
Look at Ben solo that has worked on for two
years and then didn't hear about it. Tomel also, people
will keep pushing and you know, I hope that happens.
I'm not. I'm not. I don't know hopeful it will.
And same thing here, this is like a great idea.
It is I think Ben's the Ben's solo one. If
we're comparing, right, I could see some argument of the
the not oh he's dead, that's the dumb argument. I
could see arguments. I know people say, oh soda Berg
and his movies, like he lots of times comes on
time and under budget. We don't know, We really don't know.
It could have been a situation we taught us on
the episode Taylor Cantina where it's like, hey, you guys
want this. We had rumors of Adam Driver was wanting
a lot more money on F four because apparently he
did audition or like was in talks for Reid Richard's
and that happened or that supposedly happened. But the ideas
that couldn't mean on money. It could be that too,
like hey, we know they're not gonna budget on X,
Y and Z, let's not do this or could just
be Hey, the sequels made a lot of money, but
creatively that was a mess. Fan wise, that was a mess.
We don't want to go back there oute, we want
to just go to completely something new. I disagree with
all that, but I can at.
Speaker 2: Least see someone in the room.
Speaker 1: You can make it argument against the Ben solo project, right,
we have all these analytics are and all these reasons
why we think it could fail or not do well.
The Spider Man one, like, I don't really see it.
Christen Duntz is. I can't say bigger star than ever,
but she's in more a two projects than ever told
Me's about to say Toby Stocks definitely up though, because
knowing Home and knowing Home is the proof right there.
Sam Raimi's directed multiple successful things, So I don't know
what the The only argument would be, oh, two Spider
Maman films, and I think, like I said, knowing Home
kind of set that up perfectly right of how you
could do that. So that's for me one of these
things where obviously these companies you don't want them to
be greedy, but they are. And I just look at
Spider Man four and go like money is sitting right there,
you know, like it's it's it's it's an again. As
long as the budgets are crazy, I think it's a layup.
Even Garfields to me, spend all the budget on let's say,
not the venom ones but Morebius Craven in any production
for the al mareto script everything. Take all that and
put that into one movie. It probably makes all those
more than those, Madam Webb. Fuck, it probably makes all
of them combined, the Adam Garfield one, right, because you
can argue Garfield he's bigger than he was than during
Spider Man, right, and if you get Stone back, she's
bigger than she was. So they're both just kind of
sitting on easy money, you know. And I don't want
to say that as like a cradtive and someone that
wants the script to be great. But my perfect world
is script is great, and then this also happens, right
like they make the money. But I don't know, it's
it's odd. It's very odd about it. And yes, Felminclay,
he says, everybody called Dex nine ers just league pipe
dream absolutely, and I was in that camp as well.
I did not think that was gonna happen. I think
for alt reasons.
Speaker 2: I will always say.
Speaker 1: That I wonder in a multi universe that you know,
in a better universe, that COVID didn't happen, because I'll
see lots of things happened. We lost a lot of people,
lots of people got sick, lots of people lost their businesses.
I think politically, especially Mike Cannon got fucked from COVID
because it was just like I felt like, we got
so the line got drawn and it's hard to get
back there. Right, But that did play a lot into it.
Clay right, If COVID happened, theater shutdown, what can we do, Well,
let's give the budget towards this. I'm not saying what
it never happened, but that helped propeled if it did.
And that's why sometimes things could happen. That's why if
I have Sony and said don't kill if Toby, what
if Sony has like because didn't they do no warnabos
minecraft Sony.
Speaker 2: What do they have?
Speaker 1: Let me look at We're gonna search Box of motion
a second, but what do they have this year? I
thought they had obviously, and I know people memed on
them for like they fucking sold. What is it they sold?
CA Pop Demon Hunters? You just sometimes never know, right,
Like I think now companies will pull back because you
look at Demon Slayer. We're gonna talk about chainsaw Man,
Capop Dean Hunter. I think K pop anime, you know
that type of genre or those countries bringing in product.
It's showing And we talked about this with Demonslayer. There's
people that grew up on an anime that have the
fucking money to spend now and they will go to
the theaters to see this stuff. Right, So that's where I
don't when Sony people meme on Sony for Capeop Demon Hunters,
you sometimes never know. I bet there's a good chance
that comes on the theater and it doesn't do anything
because those other ones are stablished ips. Right. The fact
is it grew on Netflix, started to grow and then
put in theaters and they made money for it, right.
So that's something where I'm not gonna meme on Sony
because they missed out, Like sure, do they wish they
have that back?
Speaker 2: I imagine?
Speaker 1: So but like okay, so like Demons Slayer already five,
So okay, Leland Sitsch, Disney, Minecraft, Warner Brothers. Jurassic is universal.
I think How To Train Your Dragon's also universal?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I know it's not Sony, but f One that was
Warner Brothers and Apples Superman is Warner Us. And sorry,
I'm in the top the top box office meetings for
twenty twenty five. Fantastic four is Disney Mission Possible is uh?
That's Paramount Conjuring. That's Warner Brothers. Captain America, Brave New
World is marvel A Disney, Thunderbolts, Disney Sinners, Warner Brothers,
Final Destination, blood Lines, that's Warner Brothers Weapons. That was
Warner Brothers. The Bad Guys Now, that's why it doesn't
know who's made a boy. But like we're at what
are we at now? Where seven seventeenth movie worldwide this year?
And I haven't got to a Sony movie yet. That
is also Let me just confirm it says distributed by Universal. Okay,
so Bad Guys doesn't count. Snow White Disney One Battle
after Another. That's warrener Brothers, Elio, Disney, Freaker Frighter Disney
twenty years later. I think that might be Sony, right,
I think that was And that sucks for me because
I love that movie, and I want more of them,
but Sony. So it took me to get to the
twenty second movie for the top twenty twenty five to
hit a Sony movie. What if it happens the next year?
Obviously they got their hands and a bunch of other
stuff in PlayStation and tech, and they also came out
yesterday and say, hey, we're not buying Warren Brothers, which
is great, you know, but what happens if that keep
and they got Spider Man? They want that happening and
you got Spider Verse. But let's just say, other than
a couple of these Spider projects, let's say they keep
having a couple bad years. To me, it's like again,
easy money garfold right there? So and fuck would they
say to me, like if I was Sony, if that
was part of the deal, and they're like, you know,
like I would say, Hey, times are tough for us.
Speaker 2: We're not having hits.
Speaker 1: We're making these movies out of MC is like, well,
we're gonna pull out, like I think Hall Like, don't
get me wrong, the movies that Tom Holland could do,
like let's say Brandon Day comes out, Partnership is over.
Do I think those movies are gonna be better off. No,
absolutely not. But I feel like once you get through
Doomsday and Sacar Wars, I already felt that a little
bit before. I felt you've kind of done everything you
could do, not everything, but I just mean that because
you have Spier and X Men, Speradman, Fantastic four, but
in that big era, I feel like you've done a
lot with Spider Man that you could say, hey, MCU,
we got a lot of stars now. Granted though, playing
the tape back, I did say that when I thought
some of these other MCU characters were gonna be bigger
than they were, right, So maybe maybe i'd walk that
back a little bit. But as Sony, I would just
say like, hey, you're actively hurting our company. We want
to stick in business with you and help each other,
Like let us make these movies, doesn't matter, And like,
look how long it took to make the Tom Hollm one, right,
that was twenty nine or twenty twenty one, So it's
been four it's gonna be five years by ten. That
comes out half a decade. You could say, hey, we
could have made another Spiderman movie in between. And I'm
not saying it's for sure gonna take a long to
get to the Spiermen five. But if Home wants a break,
he wants to do something else, then it's like, hey,
we can cook over here with this other stuff. So
I just that's where I'm never all on Sony Simon
comes to Marvel stuff. But with this for business, I'd say,
let us fucking make our money. Like they own IP
whatever you want to say, the movies, they own the
Spiderman IP. What are we supposed to do with that
Marvel sold back in the day. You know, so not
much you can do. Uh, let's see here some questions here.
Clay says, if Donce couldn't make it happen, is a
recast out of the question? Is out of question? No,
nothing's out of question. For personal, I would say yes.
It's like I talked about a couple of weeks ago
when they did The Mummy three and Rachel VIIs couldn't
come back, so they got I can't remember who the
actress was to replace her. Chemistry wasn't there. It just
didn't feel right because she had to have chemistry with
her brother, and then Brendon Fraser's her love interest, and
even the Sun that was a new actor, but still
it just didn't work out on all the chemistry. Reads
just didn't work out for the mother, son, brothers, sister, husband, wife.
It just was off in that point. I would just
go a different route. I'd make him single because you
make that right of him and that would suck, right,
But like a single dad as Spider Man, that's got
a fucking blow, right, we're all about spider Man had.
Speaker 2: A tough life.
Speaker 1: Imagine Spider Man being a single dad while trying to
be a hero and announce his kid, like to pick
up his kid. People thinks he's a shit dad. The
kid not understanding thinking his dad is, you know, doesn't
love him or her and keeps an arm or distance
and think there's some non connection but really just him
trying to save the day. Missing dance recitle was like
it's cheesy, like easy pick up stuff, but like that
was what Spider Man trilogy was, right, there's a lot
of easy, cheesy pickup stuff which I enjoyed it, which
we miss of some of the MCU stuff. Right, So
I would say that you do a new love interest,
whether that is you get fucking Bryce Styles Howard back,
you do the Black Cat because that was the plan,
right because apparently Spreading four, Anne Hathaway is supposed to
play black Cat, but then it changed into vultures Fulter's daughter,
which didn't sound great. But still That's why I'd say
Clay is new love interest or uh do just a
single dad thing?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Super might says, I would personally rather have a proper
Endy Andrews story instead of epilogue to Toby's Oh see,
I'm gonna do the Iron Man?
Speaker 2: Why not both?
Speaker 1: But if I had to, Yeah, if I had to choose, now,
I am in the camp of Andrew. Before I wouldn't
have been. But like I said before, Andrew Garfield to me,
like with the note the Amazings help, that's there. But
to me, the NOI Home solidified him as the best
Spider Man Peter Parker.
Speaker 2: And when NOI Home before it came out, I had.
Speaker 1: Him rank last, to be honest, but there was just
something in that movie that's the most I've ever felt
Spider Man appear in the com books right there, And
you know, obviosly there's some darker stuff that's going on,
but that happens sometimes with Peter Parker, right, So I
think I'm with you, Mike. If you were to say, hey,
you can't a both, what would you rather? I do
think Andrew like getting that proper ending would be great
because you can and Toby's story in a secret war
in Aspire Man. Even right now you could just say
that him and m Jen and together and it's happy
right with his ending on such a down or store wise,
it would be better to close that off. I just
think it sounds to me with Garfield it would be hard.
Before I thought it was harder to get Toby in
the room, not Andrew, but now I think post NOI Home,
I think it is because I think Andrew it's such
a great experience with NOI Home and working on that
creative with them. I think he wants to get that
right and it be right, not just cash in. I
could be wrong, but I feel like Toby's kind of
down to cash in, you know, He's kind of down
like that that check's big enough. Yeah, sure, I'll do this,
you know so, But I do kind of agree in
that sense. So let's see here. I will until we
get to the box office. I want to answer this
because Mike, you did send this in and I want
to get to it on Wednesday by I don't know
if another show. He did ask, if we're talking about
Franken Sign and Shelby Oaks and box Office and second again,
there'll be no spoilers, so if obviously, if you don't
like those, then you can tune up. But if you're interested,
I'm not going to spoil any big things. Franken seigin,
you kind of know the story, right, But Mike said
a quick little epilogue to the horror movie Rushmore, which
if you didn't listen a couple of weeks ago, I
made a Rushmore not gonna tell who's on it, go
listen to it, but this person was not on it.
Speaker 2: He says.
Speaker 1: If we include TV in the calculation, do you think
Ryan Murphy earns himself a spawn there? Which I should
have done a no on TV one because obviously to
spoil you know, Mike Flanagan did make it on there.
But I even said that newscast it'd be interesting if
I took that out. If Flannagan would be there, I
think it'd be a tougher case. Probably not right, but
I think the reason he's not there, and it's kind
of the same thing as Flanagan because I think he
represents two and I guess here's another spoil. James Watson
list spulled half the list, but that's everyone knew that
half list, right. I think there are both ways where
Ryan Murphy is kind of like James one where he
had a huge at least for TV wise, right, he
had a huge impact on TV and streaming with American.
Speaker 2: Horror Story, Crime Story.
Speaker 1: But like with those ones American Horror Story, American Horror Stories,
there's another one like Scream Queens. There's tons of stuff
that through the Zeitgey's through popularity, like made a big deal, right,
so he has that working form. I think he also
did a lot of stuff that for even like FX
at the time was stuff you wouldn't see in almost
like a big mainstream sort of way. Right, it'd be
more a Nie show where American Horse got very popular.
But there's a lot of kinks, ah sexisms or just
sex sexisms, not sexism like fuck you male, like no,
like just lots of sexy stuff going on, right, lots
of stuff going on that you don't see on your
regular TV, which he did that with Niptuck obviously took
a little break quickly because can't do that in that show.
At least I don't think he did. I didn't watch Glee,
but I think the problem is though, so it's kind
of similar to Mike Flanagan where he definitely put a
thumb and with James One with lots of multiple franchises,
that to me is just that's where Flanagan is, sorry,
the better version of even though I'm sure Ryan Murphy
has way more money and can sell show just like that.
Because Ryan Murphy absolutely right, but I think he did
hit more of a mainstream audience eventually, which is still
good for horror. He definitely raised up horror to be
talked about more in that decade because we kind of
talked about in the early two thousands, I felt like
he was having some lulls right other than the odd
movie or show or name show, right, but even horror
shows that felt like they kind of went away or
was non existent. It felt like those were miniseries right,
obviously had twin peaks, but they felt like they were
exception the rule. Like every couple maybe half a decade,
you get a horror show that worked, where Ryan Murphy
made multiple but he also just showed that look how
big this can get with an American horror story, and
then multiple people tried to do that right, So like
you could say, like people would take a shown a
stranger things because of that, because horror TV can be
very tough to do. We talked about the It Show,
right and even the Alien Earth. For me, it is
just the quality of it there. I love the very
first season of American Horror Story. That's pretty perfect. I
think it's like a nine point five maybe I think
there's somebody even then I could probably itch it to ten.
Love that, and there's American Horror Story many great concepts, right,
and even we talked about a couple weeks ago Monster
that to me is his best work. That is a
one of the best seasons of television, just quality wise.
I know it's controversial, and I get why, and I
get why people don't like it. I think the ed
Green one is more and even the Brothers, but the
ed Gen one is more of an example of the
negativity that people say about Dahmer is really there and
ed Gen. Don't get me wrong, I think there's some
people that are actively like reviewing it in a non
bias way, but there's a lot of people that just
don't like that content, and I get it right. Oscar
Perkins talked about the way his dad was portrayed, and
I understand that the same way with the Dahmer stuff.
There's probably some stuff in there, and we know there
was stuff that people took exception to. Right, I'm saying
you cut that out, take take all the noise away.
Speaker 2: Just show wise.
Speaker 1: To me, I think it's fantastic, but I think that
whether it is obviously handsome stuff off and produced it,
but other things that he was in charge of just
kind of go downhill. Right.
Speaker 2: That's always the problem with most.
Speaker 1: American horror story. It looks great, it shot great, has
a great concept, great actors, but that ending or the
last three episodes always falls apart, like not always, but
like eight ad ten times is gonna fall apart and
not stick the landing. I think the first three seasons
he did stick the landing. I think obviously two and
three to or sorry no, no, I'd say three and
four two. I did not like Asylum. That was not good,
but I think he got better at it and his
team got better at it, but then there was way
too much of it down the line. So yeah, I
think it's just quality wise, m but like I could
see someone make an argument like obviously was just strictly TV,
then yes, maybe if it's also just strictly like two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and.
Speaker 1: Ten to twenty nineteen, you could also maybe make an
argument four as well. Right, but I think these last
five years Glee fell with massively as season one.
Speaker 2: Okay, did he leave that show too? I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying like a meanway, I just mean, like,
I remember we talked about with monsters, he did that,
he did that with Nip Tuck the last season he
was barely involved.
Speaker 2: I didn't watch.
Speaker 1: Did he leave? Did he kind of like get at
a big hin then go? I didn't. I don't know,
so let me know, Mike. Sorry, should have said water break.
My bad. Yeah, So let's talk about box office. I'll
probably leave it off quickly because what I got about
twenty minutes here, you have ten to each. Let's all
might do box office very quickly because they didn't do
last week, but definitely too surprising with it going on
so soft frankeets sign saw Shelby Oaks. I'll start with
frankensteigin first, that there was like kind of halfway full.
I went to look at the box oh on a
just to bring up that. Let's see, he would know
he was a ball throughout. Okay, well there you go.
Just gut so one and done for the quality of
Glee there so, but Sallom did a doubleheader Franken Segin
about half full, which is good. Would love to know
they make because obviously Netflix doesn't release those numbers. Because
I went to look at the box office to see
what it did and it's nowhere and I thought, oh
man to do that bad, But I went right, they
don't release those numbers, and that's up to them.
Speaker 2: Hopefully did well enough.
Speaker 1: We heard some news they about Cliff boof maybe again
a movie in theaters, which you know that's the hope,
right My Franking Sin in theater was shown sold out?
Speaker 2: Nice. Did you saw April Son Imax?
Speaker 1: So right? I think maybe wrong because if it's Imax,
that makes sense because I just feel like if the
movie fans go to see it, they're gonna pick Imax, right, So,
and that's where I definitely thought like I had that crowd.
I for the most part, I had that crowd. The
reactions were interesting. There's definitely a few people that I
don't think were the film film fans, right, No, it's
just regularly okay, that's good, regular showing. So yeah, mine
was about half full, and I think i'd say seventy
five percent of the audience was.
Speaker 2: Film buffs. You know that are going to like people.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't have just saw it's on Netflix a few weeks.
So wait, but there is some I to love the
right tea me not onoxiously. It was completely fine, but
like you can tell him his girlfriend probably were enjoying
it and felt some of the cliche and cheesiness and
we're like laughing, and like I said, wasn't obnoxious. We've
all been there. I know what the innoxial laugh was like.
It was fine. And then also when I walked down,
unless it was some life thing, but I don't think so.
It was after the credits, someone's crying, someone's crying while
the ending happened, and I was like, wow, okay, so
obviously where I was I gonna be with Germo. I
don't have much time going to it. I love a
lot of his stuff, but I feel like there's he's
a director that no matter what, when he does something
I'm going to uh have a certain level of respect
to it and love the craft, but he's not one
of my farreits. Like even watching this, I was like,
I still haven't seen whatever the hell the uh the
last one he did with Cooper with the Circus one,
which is on my list now because it's like, right,
I gotta get to that, right, But he's you know,
Blade I loved. I'm trying to think of the most
recent stuff. Hell Boys were never really for me. H.
Shape of Water I really really enjoyed, but I never
went back to. But I think that was great and
obviously one best picture, and I think that year I
was fine with it night Mary, I I think you April.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hadn't gone back.
Speaker 1: I think I almost checked out when it was supposed
to be Leo and I like Cooper, but I was
like a Leo and him would have been great, but
he's all and then like even Crimson Peak, I defend
that one a lot more. I think people look at
as like a lower tier in his filmography. You know,
I enjoyed Ouesty Pans Lavinth great, but that's like the
most like Godfather, Like that's one of those movies that
like if you like, like, it's rare to find someone
that doesn't like pans lamborn that's almost just like a
hips are, like I love Panslam, which I do, and
I had not seen it in at least a decade,
So I want to do I still got to finish
my Paul Thongs Anderson like rewatches, and then next I
want to get to Guermo because I'm just trying to
think if there's anything else I've missed. But I don't
think there's anything actively I've seen of his that I
thought was wow, that was awful. I've enjoyed all his stuff,
even the Hell Boys. I would go, hey, not my favorite,
but very well made. Right so oh in his Pinocchio,
I fucking loved his Pinocchio a couple of years ago.
That was fantastic. Love the take on and obviously anyone
knows he's big on the monsters and giving a different side.
But I'm just trying to think, let's see, okay, Crimson
peak pt right, he is behind that Pacific rim me.
I see that wasn't really my bag. He did Panzlin
after Hell Boy? Why did I not think that was
the case? Did they? When did they come out that's
to really, for some reason in my mind's the other
way around.
Speaker 2: Blade two.
Speaker 1: I love so and some of his other stuff here,
like mimicing Cronos. I've never seen so I do gotta
check some stuff off, but I guess I've actually seen
most of his career, you know, so big fan of
his and you know what, Crimson Peak was very ambitious,
but the story is all over the place. I agree
with you. I definitely agree that I don't think the
story matched. Love the cast, visuals great, right, and that's
something like Dale Toro is one of those guys. The
second you're in his movie, second you're in the world,
you feel it. And that's one thing I canna start there.
The set design, my god, I love this. This inspired
an idea that I pitched to Taylor and something. Do
not want to say it out loud at all, So
if I never do it, which I actually don't think
we will, this is like a long term like, man,
if we heard the budget. This is like like dream
chasing stuff. Right. If it doesn't, I'll pitch you one
time and tell you what it was. But the set design,
the look, the visuals, stunning shots like a smorgas Borgus
stuff going on right here, and I guess I can
just like I was gonna lead up to it, but
just because lack of time, I'll just say I absolutely
loved it. I love this movie. I'm sorry to bring
her back because I'm hoping Dylan make that his pick
right now. Franken Soon's gonna be my golden geeks. What
the other guys have to watch? Because I think one
battle is gonna be for Kurkuling. But even then, I
think Dylan's gonna see that in Tay at some point too, right,
But this is my goalies pick this as right now.
But we're only a few months left. But this kind
of exceeding expectations now, I don't think it for me.
It is a ten out of ten give in my
squirrely it's a ten to ten.
Speaker 2: No, not a perfect movie. As I've said before.
Speaker 1: My scores are a combination of critique but also just
pure enjoyment. Right, I think this movie is gonna watch along.
I think this is gonna movie that I for dialogue
and also score. I think it's Alexander Alexander displot that
did the score here. This is one that I cannot
wait till someone on YouTube's make like the ambience room,
because if not, then I will happily wait for the movie.
And and I think people are with me when I
say it'sbelut like The Batman or other things of people.
If I say, oh, it's a movie that I could
easily fall asleep to, that's like a compliment. There is
a bad way to that, right, But this is like
a at times, even though there's grotesque stuff and loud stuff,
there's like a soothing kind of like trance to it.
The visuals help with that, the score helps with that.
Let me just see composer is Yeah, it's Alexander Displot,
who you know, great great composer. One of my favorite
tracks ever is the I'll see It's Snape's tail Or
Snape and Lily. And that's also the track that you
know double something I can't remember but when you lose
double doore that's my favorite, like all my like listen
to all the time.
Speaker 2: I think too.
Speaker 1: For any negatives, there's just i'd say, I'd say it
isn't the third act and it's and I'm kind of
forgetting what my other one was, but I guess it's
just a combo of a little bit of pacing in
a little bit of it feels a little rushed, which
sounds odd because it's a two and a half hour movie.
I think there's some stuff from maybe act too you
could have shortened and not necessarily cut, Like there's nothing
in here I want to cut. I want a longer movie.
So that's where I guess I would just say go
a little longer. It just feels And I don't want
to talk about how the templay of the movie because
it's not just an A to B. I'll mindus spoil that.
It's not just like you start and get the end.
There is a storytelling structure to it. I think with
the structure just kind of makes the third act feel
a little bit on fast forward. It feels like you're
redescribing to someone or you watch a like a YouTube
explainer and they show the scenes. It just feels like
there's a couple jumps that don't work because of the
time where I feel like the first act, in the
second act, especially the second act, which I'm fine with,
lots of time to breathe, lots of time with these characters.
So that's why I'd say some of the pacing and
maybe writing of the third act feels a little iffy,
So that's right. Yes, So if I was giving it
a critical it would not be a ten out of ten.
But for my enjoyment it was because set design, fantastic scores,
fantastic acting, fantastic Oscar Isaac is so good man, not
that he was bad Moonnight, but I just sit there
and go, right, I remember why I said this guy
was perfect for Moonnight, and now he's just kind of
getting fucking wasted over there. You know, he's such a
talented actor. He's like such a hot little geeky nerd
in this one at times too, like just some of
the outfits they give him. And no, he's fantastic. Goth
and Waltz are very very good. It's not like career
best because that they're in there a smaller amount. But
there's another I don't think it's a spoiler to say,
like there's some flashbacks of Frankenstein when he's a young boy,
and I can't remember it's the guy to play Taiwan
Lanister fight enough. On our last newscast we talked about
him a lot.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The relationship with those two is really good. I could
even use a little bit more, Uh, but uh, the
one that's down here is Jacob LOORDI because I'm somebody
that's on that camp that people like. Some people join,
some people don't. There's many people that look at Euphoria
and Saltburn. It's kind of like, you know, trashy like
music video. They don't like him for whatever X reasons.
Right and I feel some people get put in the box,
even though they got Sweeney in there and Zendea that
are also great actresses.
Speaker 2: But I feel like.
Speaker 1: People have kind of put a Lordy. I don't think they.
I think there's just lots of people. If you say
LORDI is a great actor, they might not like huff
at it, but they're not good They there might not
be on the full bandwagon. Right to me, this is
a movie that, in my opinion, is gonna turn any
doubters around. They're gonna go, okay, he can And I
already was there. I thought he was a perfect guy
for Superman. I think, yeah, he could do Bond like.
I think he is a versatile actor because even in
Euphoria for kind of a jock asshole type of role,
he brings some layers to Right and Saltburn. He's very charismatic, right,
like everyone fell in love with him. This this very innocent,
very emotional, very just just lets himself go a lot,
especially in that earlier stage of and I think there's
a risk element to it. And that's why I will
say for the I think the people that were laughing
didn't like because I will say at times he plays
a child like Frankenstein, right, I think, and other actors
that can come off as tropic, thunder cheesy or kind
of goofy, right, But for me, it's so innocent and
it just it is something that I could have and
obesoly how Andrew Garfield was the choice before I could
see Garfield playing it like this because he's a phenomenal actor.
I could believe he does anything. But I think with
LORDI it helps his career and I think there's just
certain ways that he did play that Austine, because it's
just Jacob Lordy could only be for himself and one thing.
Physical wise, maybe they would have made Garfield bigger, but
with a LORDI such a tall dude. That really helped
in these scenes with Frankenstein acting like a child but
then towering over somebody, it really brought something to it.
So yeah, he says, give him the oscar. Obviously you'd
have to be in supporting and like, could I get
that bandwagon?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 1: Like I know, I'll be fighting for him golden He's
I don't know the win. I have to wait officly
till the end because I just can't think about everybody.
But he's up there right now. I think he did
a phenomenal job, so he should turn a lot of hands.
Like to me, he's unlocking stuff in a performance. Wise,
it clearly he's there in him right because he did it.
But for us the audience been like, Oh, there's a
whole new layer of things he can do, and I
think he just really put himself out there. It's a
risky I'm kind of losing the word there's another word
I was gonna describe him as. But he's taken some chances,
and for me, they really work. It's a brutal film.
It has really good natural humor all the way around.
Nothing feels out of the ordinary. Nothing ruins the plot
we just talked about in the itch. Not not that
I would ruin the plot, but something in that it
welcome Drey where it takes you out of it. I
think that has paced really well because Ossie third that
gets a little darker and that's fine, but the rest
of the movie has a good balance of drama, romance,
comedy all and like kind of horrific gore like all
the way throughout.
Speaker 2: Like I think it works very well.
Speaker 1: So No, I absolutely loved Franken Sign definitely. Like I'm
might sound weird, but I think it might be my
favorite garamu one. And I think again, I've seen some
critiques of it that I can get, Like, I think
there's some people that it's similar to critiques that I
feel like Mike flanningan gets, which we talked about before,
where Mike Flannigan will have these monologues and people might
call them a little cheesy or a little.
Speaker 2: Like just kind of.
Speaker 1: Explaining too much, you know, uh over exposition, a little preachy,
And I think that I've seen some critiques about that
where you know, there's not a lot of subtext in here,
like like Garamel really puts in your face, and I guess,
like granted, sure, like I think some of that happens,
but I think once some of the era and the
time helps with that, but I just I think it's
still naturally flows especially when you're with franken Sign. You're
dealing with a man into like a baby into a
man like a regress rates. It's like you'd kind of
have to explain or that character would look at things
in a very definitive in your face. Wait right, Like
they haven't even like God in the idea of subtext
or being subtle, right, they haven't earned that, they haven't
learned that yet. So I didn't have that.
Speaker 2: I like.
Speaker 1: Again, I think if some people want to bring it
some pacing, some dialogue and being a bit too long,
I can understand that. But that's the best thing about film, right,
it's all subjective. Never felt like it was too long.
I felt in the middle. There was like a time
where it was taking its time, But I was never like,
oh cut this and this imment, Okay, we're definitely we
slow down.
Speaker 2: With the structure. There's times where it just comes to
a screeching halt.
Speaker 1: I won't say in a bad way, but I could
see why other people maybe use some that as a critique.
Speaker 2: But yeah, loved it. I'll be fighting for this.
Speaker 1: So yeah's ring pretty high than I got to my
top five, top four right now, I need to rewatch
Walls and Ground because I got my top three. I
don't know if I can bump it. There's a lot
of heart pick in there. But I did really enjoy it.
It's a genuine ten for me. So I got to
rewatch that to find out where it actually is there.
So and then uh, Shelby Oaks, which that's where I
can just quickly go over the box office wise, where
was it there that did like two points something?
Speaker 2: Did I lose all my stuff?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I closed the window in there, so
we're not doing box office? What was it? Chainsaw on
number one, like seventeen to nineteen, the other anime which
is not even a big one, right, but that does it,
you know, again proving the audiences Black Phone had like
a like a sixty percent drop or something pretty good.
I don't I think it's gonna be just on par
with that first one as far as money wise, like
either a little over, a little under, who knows, there's
always some seatier Scooper saying three as planned so great,
Like you can go check out our review. I was
happy with that one, and I think there's more to
explore with that character. And then Shelby Oaks made two
point four, so awestly we don't know about anything right
with a marketing all that stuff, all seats neon, so
they're not like going out there making massive campaigns. And
this is a tough one because we were talking about
this in the discord where for a while some people
came in which I have I could rant. I'm gonna
rant on geek first about like people and how they
sit at theaters and whatnot. It's just kind of crazy
sometimes if you got a whole theater there's only three
of us. Why he's sitting right in front of me.
I digress. So for me made two point four production
budget of two point eight, that's a win. Obviously him
making that film. This guy's fucking won a bunch of
stuff right and all sets is first time directing. And
here here's my context because we told this on after
nine and I guess I don't know where to go
because like I got all like tanish Min's left, Chris stuckman,
if you don't know using the crop of a lot
of John Campia, uh God, screen junkies, Jeremy Johns, the Schmos,
some other people, right, that started big time early on
the film.
Speaker 2: Criticism on YouTube started.
Speaker 1: Get Rotten Tomatoes approved, brought to stuff, etcetera. Right, I
had seen a couple of reviews, but I primarily knew him.
Speaker 2: From the Schmoe's No Show and the me On shmow Down.
Speaker 1: And I've checked out some of these reviews, but it
was never my go to critics. That's the thing where
I am, of course happy for this guy because we're
trying to do the same thing right and luckily, like
saying thing like we didn't raise one point eight million,
we're very happy. But we've said this before. What we
make on Patreon with the ads and stuff like that
paid for most of the budget for a Dragon Coon.
That paid for the camera, lots of props, lot of
stuff still came out of our pocket. But we're in
that same idea where that's where I'm cheering for this guy,
where this guy does a Kickstarter offsely, you know, very
popular one of the OG's. So it gets one one
point eight million, that's great, ties it with a Neon
Mike Flanagan. They get him another million, so that's great.
He's fucking already won whatever you feel with the movie.
He know, like flanning it, Neon produced it and He
even said if this didn't happen, he was just gonna
release it on YouTube one day randomly. So the fact
that it's even making two point four million is two
point four more than it would have made on YouTube,
I imagine, right, even with his big audience. I don't
know how the YouTube algorithm works that way, or the
CPM's work when you're to that level, right, but I've
seen what they do for even just you know, successful videos.
They do, you know, six figures and or five figures ago. Man,
they take they take a lot of money YouTube. It's
that's why we always appreciate the super chats or extra support,
because they actually just money's of view, not much.
Speaker 2: Versus podcasting, you get a lot more. So that's great.
Speaker 1: And two point four eight budget, that's pretty good. The
promotion was odd because I didn't get tickets till the Wednesday,
like on sale notice, and then we didn't have a
Thursday screening. My screening only had five people in. It
felt like many people didn't know much about it going on,
Like even spisaid like he just learned about the other day.
So I don't think they did the greatest job. Then
maybe they just felt the track in their views because
it came out and it was like a sixty percent
run of me and it got D plus on Cinema score,
which doesn't mean much for horror because horror is all
over the place. We talked about that in the discord
and yeah, joined the discord that's below like Hereditary D plus.
What was the other one too, Oh there was a
big one. I can't remember. There was another film that
of note got a C plus. So horror and cinema
score very tough. So I so that thing where it's like,
I have no bias when it comes to this, cause
like i like Chris Stuckman, and I've seen a couple
of reviews being never my reviewer, and I like and
appreciate the journey he's been on, and that's a goal like, yeah,
he did it.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, good for him.
Speaker 1: But I'm also not gonna be like, now, this is
a ten out of ten, right, And there's also some
people that are just super jealous of them, And that's
where you can reading some reviews or reactions where they're
just mad that's happened, right, same thing, go out and
do it. It's trust me for the stuff that we've
done and we're doing, and we're nowhere near We're not
working with the neon like when you are making not
just even a short film, we make a film film
like our next movie. That's like even the last one
we did was fifty minutes. So many problems come up
and everything. So good for him, right, let's see Jeremy
John's review came up a bit better to me. Yeah,
and I'm gonna like, I didn't watch that because I'm
done with the I never was a John's guy, because
I kind of found him just I don't know, even
so he joined Collider for a little bit. He was
on that for a year, and I think that's the
most I knew of him. Shmoanna, I heard of the
name of all the time and everything of Jeremy John's,
and I never He's the one that I've watched the
least off because I always found John's kind of annoying.
And then there's just some stuff he's done the past
couple of years where even more so of like hey,
as a critic, don't really like you and as a
person kind of iffy. And I'd heard about that, right,
And I think there is a couple of people in
that sphere that they come off as you know, you
started the sne and even if they don't want to
make movies, it's still this guy is being interviewed by
this person, this guy's a movie coming out, this guy X,
Y and Z.
Speaker 2: There's definitely some of that.
Speaker 1: Right, And that's why it's like it's tough to I
don't know what that review is like, but I've heard
more negative. Tough to take that and for me, this
review or this movie, I I enjoyed it. I think
that this is something I've heard from other people, and
almost like Frankenstein. I think the weakest part is the
third act. There is and I can't say because I've
seen a lot of people, Oh he did a great
directing end, but the writing you should get someone else
to write it. There is some stuff in here that
is like really good. As far as concept, I think
the concept's really good. I think for non spoils stuff. Yeah,
the third act I think the almost similar to Frankenstein.
It just Franken Segin to a lesser degree. But this
almost feel like it just kind of ends. There's like
a huge kind of ramping up of something, and I
think the climactic and I'm saying battle. But it's not
even a battle. It's not like a gunfight, swords and sandals.
It's just like what you'd imagine in a ghost horror,
you know, like exorcism, like and it's not even any
of that stuff, but just the whole genre of horror.
It's something that you want, like a something big to happen.
Right in my opinion, right, that's how you know, either
you need something big to happen or that's where you
can't come in to the writing. If it's on a subtle,
more smaller degree, it has to really hit home with you.
And I think with both things that didn't. I think
the big ending wasn't there, And I think how it ends.
You can go, eh, all right, it's kind of messy.
And then even the ways if it's not messy you
think about it, it just doesn't. It's not that enthralling. And
the other thing is this like is not like this
is a completely different strokes for different folks. It's how
I didn't have this to a huge degree, but there's
tons of people I know that with weapons. Once it
was revealed what the cause was, I think for me,
I was like, Okay, that was good, but it wasn't like, Wow,
I love that, where with Barbarian I loved I think
the reveal was going on. I think some of the
execution later on kind of took me out with even
then writing as well too. For me, i'd say, like
the the like the end point of what the evil was.
I didn't I didn't love like I didn't love the design.
You know, it just it wasn't It didn't work for me.
I kind of saw it and coming, oh, okay. So
if you've ever had that where it is the reveal
in weapons or certain monster it doesn't do for me.
Speaker 2: That was kind of it.
Speaker 1: That was kind of how you know, with my Weapons,
it was like, oh yeah, this when the reveal of
what's going on, that didn't really do for me.
Speaker 2: Act one is.
Speaker 1: What he's talked about, primarily like a found footage Blair,
which like old school this is a ghost henter thing.
That stuff rocks nails it one hundred percent and also
nails like the true crime type of pacing.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of stuff that feels.
Speaker 1: Very movie wise where I go, oh, you could have
just changed a few things that would have felt more natural.
Same thing, like something happens really like something happens really
big and the person comes home from the hospital right away,
they're like, wow's the first day hospital. You're like with
how the movie sets you up with, how like precious
this situation would be, this character you'd feel like wouldn't
be doing this interview of the day of right. Acting
overall is, you know, pretty pretty good. I actually like
the main lead quite a bit. I think she did
a great job. I don't know what her name is,
I don't have time to pick it up, but I
think she did a great job. I think he did
a couple really good like jump scares, scares in general,
a lot of like oh, when you start investigating this tery,
this leaves this is this things that you get a
little goose and go oh okay. So I think that
there's some concepts and some moments that really worked out well,
like this made it workers. Stuckman made an effective horror movie.
Especially act one act too, and even act one act too.
I wouldn't be like, oh, this was great and then
the end happening. No, it' said like this is some
really good stuff too good stuff to like meant to.
I don't think if anything goes into me the bad
category like, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I think there's maybe little.
Speaker 1: Stuff like maybe your performance there are one little beat there,
but like nothing like this was really you know, like
is it kind of a at times run the mill
horror movie. Sure, but it's also guys first time up
to bat right, Like, I'm sure there's things he's gonna
feel about.
Speaker 2: Right, there's stuff like even my just fifty.
Speaker 1: Minute Drenochrome film, I watch it now, I go, oh,
hate that, and I'll never say what it is. Maybe
when we do the commentary track, there's a couple where
I go like, and there's stuff that I didn't even
notice where I'm like, then you watch it back and
you just go, oh man, and stuff you just can't change,
right because you've shot it, you've done this.
Speaker 2: You go damn, Like that's annoying.
Speaker 1: And that's where now with the other films we I
won't say, rushed out Atjernachrome, like we had a date
one to get out there.
Speaker 2: People want to see it.
Speaker 1: But now the other stuff, it's like always gonna be
a lot more and especially we just that was a
good trial run for us, right, And it's the same
thing for this being a trial run and having a budget.
I think he did a really good job. I'd like
to see him work with Flanagan. He it got to
the point where his next film, I would go to
the theaters and be interested and want to see what
it is. But it's also not like a hey, when
at Robert Eggers has something, I gotta see it. When
when Ari asked, or same thing when Hereditary which came
out and I uh won second Hereditary, I didn't enjoy
it as much as I do now. And in Midsommar
I was like, this is a strange, odd movie because
the style and because the.
Speaker 2: Strengths were so high.
Speaker 1: I was like, no matter what Ari Astro does, I'm
gonna see uh bo is afraid and editing. We're getting
to a point where assume maybe I might not be
on there because like, he's still doing some interesting stuff,
but I'm just the highers. The highs aren't as high, right,
So I think he does have some highs in here.
I think there's some good creep up moments I appreciate too.
There's a lot of we partnered with Flannagan of the Peripheral.
I will say there's one scene in particular that I
don't know I'll have to see on reviews or YouTube videos,
but it's one of those where no one else in
the theater, there's only like the five of us, but
no one else saw it. But there's something and it's
very much I didn't want to say it is when
you see the first time, it's very much you're not
gonna see it if you're not looking for it, and
it's there and nothing like. It doesn't run at you,
it doesn't jump at you, it doesn't chase you, doesn't
turn to jump scare. It's just there so much like
Flanning and stuff where when you watch it back you're like, fuck,
there's it goes. There's that So I think that vibe
of looking for your sister, the home footage, everything like that.
The setup I think is all very well done and
very good. I enjoyed it. I think there's some good
shots in here too. I think for the most but
there's a couple of darkness times where it's like this
could have been you know, that's a pet peeve of
mine if it's dark, like please let me see. And
I think for the most part there is. I think
there's like a prison sequence. It isn't but and I
think the mystery is it gets unraveled. It works pretty well.
Like I was invested and I liked it, and I
thought it was a good I had a good ton
of theaters. I think I would be like a seven
out of ten. Like I enjoyed it, I can definitely
see some critiques. And that's the same thing if you
watch certain things and so if they don't the scares
don't get you and all of a sudden in the theaters,
that always helps to right, But if those certain elements
you don't like, then you're gonna be lessened to it, right,
same thing as a way, the way I am with
the reveal, I'm like, okay, I'm a lesson to that,
even though I think some of the build up's good,
even like right, there's like kind of two reveals with
the reveal, or i'd say the end point, there's multiple.
I'd say we're getting the third act. There is a
moment where a character finds something. I got chills right there,
you know, rock Hills. I really like that. That was
really good because I was like, a fuck, like what's
going on here? And again I don't think it kind
of continues right Hereditary for example, that's like a fuck,
what's going on here? And then the third act goes
you're like, oh man, we're in for a fucking ride
where the ride kind of you know, kind of maybe
has its big jump a little.
Speaker 2: Too early, but I enjoyed it. I'll be there for
the next one.
Speaker 1: To me. Now, uh, if he does an next one
that's kind of lesser than this or whatever, then maybe
I wouldn't be there for all of them. Right, I'll
be okay, I'll see what the concept is. But this
was enough where okay, I would be interested in another
Chris Stuckman project, and.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it was fun time.
Speaker 1: I think if you like found footage or those early
type of go like, I actually think Tay's gonna really
like aspects of this. I think there's it's just like
all horror genre, right, I can watch a tort reporting
thing and be like, I know who it's for. We're
Kirkla'm I gonna go, oh, it's not for that. I
don't think I know people that act of like I
don't like this genre, but I know there's certain people
that I think it's gonna work better towards others than
you know, for even me or for others that didn't
like it, right, that might kind of forgive it for
some stuff.
Speaker 2: So and that that's where I am. I'm not a
big found footage guy.
Speaker 1: I think I loved this aspect of there was a
mix of the two which was good, which they kind
of drop. But I think that Found footage and the
true crime doc Nature that we watch because me and
Emily like a lot of that stuff, I think they
did well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, my hats are all.
Speaker 1: To Chris Stuckman and the crew. And that was good.
Speaker 2: It was a good time.
Speaker 1: I recommend it when it comes on vod or go
see in the theaters again. As I end this episode,
as we're close enough to fucking Warner Brothers in the
next few months, bought and we're gonna go down from the.
Speaker 2: Big five to the Big four like that.
Speaker 1: That's why for me and even then Frankenstein and this
it was very hard for me to see because they
were on Thursdays. The weekend was busy and I was
out of there like midnight. I did a double late
double screenings, but I sat there. I know this sounds dumb,
right because it's like little me and how much do
we make a difference, But it's like there's almost a
time I was like, you know what, I'm just not
gonna go. I don't know if I can make it,
but I went one for some reason in the future
like the Cliff Boof movie or if Netflix buys WB
I'd like to see these movies in the movie theaters
because I just enjoy them more the right So like honest,
slyly frank content, and same thing with this. It's like,
I'm gonna go support this little one. So if you
have any interest, I think you will enjoy it. At
least I don't. I don't when I know people when
I've seen some reviews like oh, there's so many issues.
I don't know people I think are pretty pretty. I
think again, something that comes down to who's making it,
because they are so much. I promise you just this year,
so much more worse movies out there than Shelby Oaks,
which is just like a fun, decent horror, you know,
found footage thriller at times. So that's the episode four today.
I'll be on side Quest with Dylan later tonight. I
guess that's some more in the morning feeds. They'll be
back for news. So Travis told you on Wednesday that's
a TVD. Thank you everyone, live chat, thank you everyone
tuned in. Think everyone listen after the fact. I hope
if I don't hear from you next. And you know,
in this sort of sense you everybody has a great
Halloween week. And you know, if you've got kids, go
trigger treat, go to some parties. If you don't get
some food, get some cant like, spoil yourself, go watch
a horror movie and be a kid. Go buy yourself
a fucking bagel, multi mixed candies, and go do that.
So appreciate you, love you. Promise don't hear from me next.
It'll not be boring.