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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to Travis told

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you October twenty seventh, twenty twenty five. A few days away.

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We it is Halloween week. We are a few days

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away from the greatest day of the year, Halloween. Hallows Eve,

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they guess hallow Ease. Is that technically the term, right?

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They have the all Hallows Eve? But that's not like

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Christmas Eve. But who knows. It's a great time. That's

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my favorite day of the year. It feels a little

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odd this year because we're doing the Extra Life stream

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next week. So usually it's like Halloween and then the

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stream happens, so it's feeling odd. Next year is gonna

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be the same thing as Halley's on its Saturdays. The

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next couple days or next couple of days, the next

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couple of years is gonna be great, obviously. I think

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I've said this before. With Halloween, we usually just let

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the girls take it off anyway to school if they

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want to right, sometimes they want to go in.

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Speaker 2: But so far, think the past couple.

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Speaker 1: Years after Halloween, w we say hey, you want to

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stay or you want to go? They're picking to say either.

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Candy hangout. We kind of do like in a dead num.

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Usually the weekend a couple of days after is a

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couple other Halloween movies we haven't watched. We're gonna be

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watching so but we're gonna be doing a lot, I

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think this year because we're there's a there's a lot

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of stuff. We're just it's we're a busy bunch, you know.

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That's the thing with the fuck kids now, lots of activities.

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Gwen does dance what is it right now? Monday, Tuesday, Friday,

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and then Saturday and Sundays. Sometimes they're combined, but still

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that's like five days of the weeks. Logan's in kung

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fu and then has girl guides, and then Ellie just

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does one. But you know, she's four years old now

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next year she's in kindergarten. She'll do more. It's it's

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always something, right, So I feel like in schedules, podcasting, life,

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So I feel like this is definitely with the family

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the most, like the least amount of Halloween stuff of

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watch this. Yerehich just kind of a bummer, but we'll

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make up for we have actually, I guess just been

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spamming lots of times. We try to watch all of

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Goose bums and are you afraid the darks over in

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the middle of that, and yeah, no, it's a good time.

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And then November then Christmas just crazy. But yeah, I

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hope everyone is doing well. I am here for today.

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At least Wednesday is a TVD I put that or

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that will be on the geek for a schedule this

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week that drops on Patreon because I am off Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

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and Monday for my day job. I booked that off,

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fucking mister Patzer because I usually book off a few days.

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I always make sure Halloween's booked off the day before that,

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but I also book off the day after the twenty

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four hour stream, like the Monday after, and then a

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few days so I can prep did move the stream.

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So now I have a random money off for no reason.

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I can't take the Monday off for the actual extra life,

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so yeah, you know, but whatever, it's all good. So yeah,

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we got that going on obviously, November eight, twenty four

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hours extra LFE. That's gonna be a ton of time,

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a ton time, tons of time, and a fun time.

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Everything's getting announced, events, et cetera. As usual. I added

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to the schedule this week as even there's something that

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came up where all the events right now, I think

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the events that are locked in are like the events

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that are on the schedule are happening, you know, unless

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something really fantastic happens but are catastrophic. I don't know

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what curtastic means. But the events are happening. It's just

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a question of I'd say, the tournament and the trivia

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at those times are locked in. The rest of stuff

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kind of gets to oh, I'll be there, I might

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have to step out of this time, et cetera. So

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as always have to change. But we will do said things,

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and we will do the stretch goals if we unlock them.

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This Thursday, we'll go over a full preview. We're gonna

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do Geek versus six seven seven. It's give me myself,

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dil Muss, and Taylor Field because obviously, Kirk, I'm still

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in your hand until the stream. So yeah, we'll be

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going over some Halloween fun stuff what we've been watching,

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and actually full preview, lots of good stuff and yeah,

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feed lots of good things. Listen to it chapter no,

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not it chapter I guess it will. Welcome to Dary

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episode one that's out now. Our review of that and today, Yeah,

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talking to Inspire Man four about I didn't have this

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on the run day. I don't think we've ever talked

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don't know, but then the guy that mattson Thompson Mattson Thomson,

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that's a tongue twister. But he had said some comments

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the weird way he phrased it is kind of weird

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that maybe there is a possibility. Right, So we'll talk

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he said what he said and what it could mean

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and hopefully we could get that. I mean, I review

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so don't worry about that little box office breakdown. I

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that I definitely know because Wednesdays some other stuff's happening

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where amily and twins might be at the house, et cetera.

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or I'll do the night one, but little ify Monday, know,

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so there might be a chance. I'm not doing a

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trashold you until November fifth, So just a programming note,

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you'll hear lots from me, got GV episode, Got Side

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and lots of stuff on Patreon. So I would appreciate

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you going over there. And yeah, just trest told you

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you're gonna go for about an hour as usual, talk

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about some stuff. Let's talk about some things. But yeah,

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very exciting. Halloe man, it's it's a good time. I

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just watched people on the stairs, but you know, I'm

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not gonna talk about that because uh, we'll talk about

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that on Thursday. So okay, let me get these exact

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even like a thing. But I guess it was online.

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announced like the day because Spider Man three comes out

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in seven, and I think, let me see if I

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gonna come out now, but let's see if I can. Okay, no,

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maybe it is here Sony Pictures. Yeah, this is crazy

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don't know why, just because I had to have wrestling.

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even though he doesn't really use that much. It might

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to talk about wrestling anymore. Com books were starting to

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got that this is like twenty eleven, twenty twelve. And

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then look at this tweet from so this is two

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thousand and nine March Sony, like the Sony official count

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Speaker 2: But obviously lots of those.

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Speaker 1: Things have those origins where they were around for a

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while and then got a falling right, and my god,

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my looking at my fucking hair. I'm just I'm said

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with my costume is maybe I have but if not,

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I'll show it on Thursday. It's nothing crazy, but I've

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been growing the hair out for it a little bit.

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don't know, so actually life I'll be looking fly. But

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so obviously a lot of this has sparked, definitely sparked

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after Noah hom Toby comes back.

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get the three Spider Men together, that happens, what can

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the rumors were a commination of them trying to get

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him into that Sony universe that was going on that's

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now dead. So thank god he didn't do that with

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another dead universe. Maybe he could have revived, but still

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let's get a director of this degree. And who knows, right,

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people said oh, like again, could someone just text someone

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just say that was it right? And that that to

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Speaker 1: That's why you're gonna run with them, right, because look

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saying they had to go get Martin Scorsese and Christopher Nolan,

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but look at what they did a Spider Verse, And

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even then you could argue room Flies, Sure, okay, like

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stirt off some talent, but I just feel like they

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did not that they just felt like Cashion's right. As

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fine bounce between we're trying to make money and then

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trailer and was kind of heartbroken, right, but luckily at

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least he's insinuated on part two. He's a co writer

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with Matt Reeves and he's gonna get credit this time.

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write some of The Batman Part two. Not sure how

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much of a you know what, but the writing partners.

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or an idea yea, And that's where it became kind

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of fan stuff, like, well, you got this writer who

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you know has some level of success. You got Kirsten,

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you got Sam Raimi, all saying yeah, we do it,

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like that'd be so awesome have happened, right, That was

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very much the fans stuff. But he did this kind

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of quba which he pops on Twitter. I don't think

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you even fall him, but I see this stuff. And

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so the quote was someone asked him. I can't remember

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what the set of the question. I'm not sure if

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this article has it here or not. Let's see not really,

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so I don't know what the setup was. But his

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answer was slow and steady wins the race. There won't

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be anything to say about that for a long time,

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if ever, because it involves a lot of people politics

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and things going right and have nothing to do with me.

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But I haven't gotten a no yet. So there's two

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versions of this, right. There's a version where he's emailed

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or spoke to a Sony exec like at a party, Hey,

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I got this idea and like oh cool, great, and

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that's it, right, And that could be his like, oh,

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they haven't said no. And I apologize if my WiFi

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one's saying no. Right, I feel like my hope and

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everybody has a different spectrum, and this guy's much more

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successful me than That's fine, but I would hope somebody

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on his level would probably say, don't say something in

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this elk of it is just I bumped into somebody.

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I sent an email and just because like if you

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if you ask, if you send a text, a Facebook message,

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an email, you just ask someone out on a date

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and your back in six months, that's a no. You know.

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know yet. No, that's a no. That means it's dead.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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he had to talk to like, let's say it's not that,

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it is somebody. Let's say he is at Sony, because

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they do this all the time, right, if they work

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with people, they either say hey, what pictures on some

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stuff like Kem Smith talks with a story like they

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was like Superman and Beetlejuice. So it's like they wanted

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him to work on an ip doing something right so

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I could see he has a level of success. What

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do you want to work on? Mattson Thompson right, like

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what interests you? And there's a version of that where

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he pitches this idea and maybe there's someone in the

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room with some poll or connect experiment goes you know what,

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that's not bad. Let me inquire right now, as we

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just saw with the fucking Ben solo thing, it could

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be that. And there is more rumors so that I

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think I might bring them up again on Thursday because

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Worri's with Star Wars and just a few more things

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with Taylor. But the idea of that was script pitch,

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working title, you know, working with people to problem solve

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the script.

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Speaker 2: All this stuff.

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Speaker 1: It gives it to Alan Berman and Bob Biger and

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this report was all It took longer than usual to

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say no or just to read it, and it sounds

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felt like bub Biger maybe said no politically because he

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wants to be behind Alan because he's a replacement all

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this stuff. Right, So that's the same way where someone

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could believe in Thompson's script but then bring it to

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anybody and go, you know what, let's not do this, right,

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to try to be positive, is hey, we're doing Spier verse,

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we're gonna finish that up where because there's also rumors

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going around that Holland is not in Doomsday, but Maguire

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is right, whether that's a post credit, whether that's an

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actual scene just to set something up, or as a

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character who knows that could be a version two of

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maybe he gets captured and that brings Holland into the adventure. Right,

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you would think the whole world multiverse being at a

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at risk would already bring in Tom Holland. But you know,

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sometimes you still need the red right, Like the same

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thing Halt crashing down into Doctor Strane's sanctums and torum.

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No matter what, Doctor Strane's was gonna help out when

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Dano was invaded, but it gave a thread to the

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story to make it more just flow a lot better, right,

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So that's where I'm trying to take the hopeful prose,

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because the bad approaches they pitch it, Yeah, it's a

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great idea, let me talk and it goes nowhere, just

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in the ether fairy dust, right, the good approach and

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hopeful approaches. Hey, he's in Doomsday. We know he's in

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segareg Wars, he's in cigare Wars. Let's cap that off

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and same thing too. Maybe it's a we don't know

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the fate of that character, so we don't want to

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promise anything like let's say they want to have told

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McGuire have like a big iron in moment, et cetera,

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which I don't, don't think it's warranted like and I

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know that that's where I'm usually not on Sony's side

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with these things, right because obviously mcu lately has been rocky,

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but they have a far better They just lap Sony

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with the track record right of what they've been doing

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in the past couple of years. But in the defense

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of Sony and they are working together. But I would say, hey,

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if you want a big like if they have any

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interest in doing Spiermen, for if they don't yet kill

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me off, big moment cool, But if they have the

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slightest interest, which I don't know why they wouldn't if

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they'd the slightest interest, or maybe an idea of an interest,

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like we might be interested this in three years to

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take it off the table now, obviously character style of time,

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it's never gone. But if you want that exact version

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and he dies and then you can just do Spidermen.

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Speaker 2: For that seems odd, right?

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Speaker 1: You could always place it before Doomsday is like a prequel.

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You could always say, oh, this is like another what

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if of what if he didn't go to the m

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stupid it's the same Toby, It gets the muddled right,

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It's the same way if I didn't love it. And

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I'm not saying this is the reason the flash bombed

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or anything, but I think one thing that at least

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hurt a lot of the Batman stuff was, you know,

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Keien was great. I like the story of him being

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kind of very ganned off the white to have a

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Batman where he's a god tear and the idea like, yo,

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you kind of save Gotham. So I don't mind that

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idea of what this is a what if of Batman

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kind of getting this happy ending. But the way, it

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wasn't exactly. Michael Keanes Batman from eighty nine returns felt

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a little odd. You know, it's like, why, like you

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feel more invested then, right, even if he was gonna die,

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it's like, well, that's fine, like he's I don't think

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he's doing more. But that's the same thing. They didn't

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want to do more, hence castilation backgirl. It does get

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messy and confusing with the multiverse and all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: But that's why if you have any idea and you

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guys are.

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Speaker 1: A partnership, I say, hey, dude, you ever you want,

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but let's not if you want a big sacrifice, cool,

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make it one of your characters. Don't make it Toe

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maguire right, because why should they bend the knee? Because

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obviously Marvel's MSU's helped them. They have a good partnership.

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They share money, they share creative stuff. I get it right.

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You might not want to puff at your You're like,

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well you don't do that, but you still got to

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stand your ground and say, hey, that's great that you

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would want this big moment, but we can have a potential.

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Whether it's just a one off movie, which I think

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would be very successful I think no, I don't prove that.

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I think this is a legacy sequel, Like the money

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is there. It's not like Keen with Flash that Bomb

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or any End Jones that Bomb. I think obviously with Jackman,

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with Garfield and Maguire on the Marble side, they have

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proof of this could work, especially like budgetary reasonly, well,

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this could really work out for us.

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Speaker 2: I think it'd be more than fair to.

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Speaker 1: Say we're not gonna have you kill off one of

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orips just to have a big moment here. Especially it's

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different Marvel does this. They got Fantastic four hopefully cooking

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doing more. They got X Men starting up. They might

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reboot some of these characters. They got a whole thing,

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right Sony, especially if they keep working with them too. Well,

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they're Tom Hollands still tied to that, so that's happening

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right now. Miles Marlesons spire Verse. They've said that they're

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not gonna do any live even five. He said that

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they're not doing anything live action with the characters. So

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that's done. They've killed the Sony universe, which you know

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most that didn't work, but the Venom movies made money

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and produced, so it's almost like that would be a

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natural step of you finished Spider Verse, Tom Hollands and

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mcu stuff. The Venom stuff's done. What do you do? Well,

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let's go do a legacy sequel before we start in

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new universe X, Y and Z. You can't just hey,

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we're we're gonna do you know, another like another. At

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least they don't want to another Spider Man, right, And

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I guess you could do Garfield. The same thing kind

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of applies there, But I just feel it would feel

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odd for them just to have that dying off. Right,

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But again they get told him that hey, we're the

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Balls in five company, The ball and fis Company's court.

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They can do whatever they want and if he's alive, great,

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we'll come back this. If it's not, then sorry, Matt's

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and that's not gonna happen. I don't think the money,

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or I don't think the money isn't killing him off.

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I think there's lots of other characters, and I think

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there's tons of money.

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Speaker 2: Whatever the pitches, whether.

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it's Mary Jane and Peter have kids and he's you know,

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and I obviously wouldn't be like that right, But I mean,

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like that concept of Peter Parker Mary Jane with the

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kids older. I think that's a good idea because you're

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not gonna do that. I don't think with Andrew if

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you were to come back, I don't think you're going

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to do that with Tom HOLMESPIERMN currently. I think you

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get Peter Parker, Peter Parker, you get Toby, get Kristen back.

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I don't want some fucking shit where MJ died in

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between movies though, that to me would honestly hurt. Like

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it's a package deal, even though I don't think they're

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like one of the greatest couples ever in combok history reading.

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The chemistry is there, but to me, it is a

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package deal. And I do I know he's pitching Ramy,

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that's the other thing. And again too with Ramy, like

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why couldn't you like with like obviously doctor strangers there,

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but they always go with Hollywood, what have you done

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for me lately? And that was a success, so I

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would go, hey, the last time he worked with Marvel stuff,

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it was a success. I don't see why they wouldn't

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get Sam back to me that it's not a deal

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breaker for.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a deal breaker for me for a

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lot of success. Don't get me wrong. If they said, hey,

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for whatever reason, we got Toby and Kirsten back, but

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we couldn't get Sam back or he didn't want to

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do it, whether it's money or creative, I go, well,

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that sucks a lot. Now I'm still excited for those

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two characters, but I'm going to be a lot more

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pessimistic on the movie coming out. Right, But you get

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Sam back, then we're good to go. You get a

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hot young actor or someone new to play one of

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the villains, that works out. You can cast those kids.

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You don't have to do them as babies, they could

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00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:15,559
be teenagers. You can get a good actor and actress

470
00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:18,480
to play one of those children. Like it's there. I think,

471
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,640
no matter what, is a success. I wouldn't say it's

472
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,839
a billion dollar movie. It could be. I think it

473
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,759
could be with some of the legacy and the kind

474
00:21:25,799 --> 00:21:31,039
of nostalgia people have for that, But with these characters

475
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,599
as long as budgeted again appropriately, I think it would

476
00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:36,680
be a success. Varying degrees of it, right and that

477
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,920
is before we get trailers, promotion all that stuff, right,

478
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,319
So and again maybe that's the idea too, that they

479
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,440
don't even know if they want to have two Spider

480
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,160
Man movies out. I think that can work because I

481
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,039
think No Way Home kind of set that up perfectly

482
00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:51,039
of Tom Holm as the Marvel MCU spider Verse or

483
00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:54,319
Spider Man, and then Toyo's over here doing his own adventures.

484
00:21:54,319 --> 00:21:58,039
Like I don't think that to me is less confusing

485
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,079
than the for the public audience or the general audience,

486
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,559
more than the Batman raw pass and Batman thing right,

487
00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:07,480
and also like not saying it's impossible gun and everybody

488
00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:09,240
can make that if they do it right, they can

489
00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:11,160
make that easy as well. Is here's a Batman there,

490
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,119
and here's the Batman there, same thing. This Batman's by himself,

491
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,400
this Batman's was Superman great as long as you market

492
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,000
And that's why Knowing Home did has a story. I

493
00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:20,039
think they did a good job of flushing that out

494
00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:24,079
and showing okay, you can go down this route. So

495
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,279
that's the only reason I talked about it today is

496
00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:28,160
because it was interesting that he says it's not no

497
00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:30,599
yet and there could be tons of things we hear projects.

498
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,720
Look at Ben solo that has worked on for two

499
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:35,319
years and then didn't hear about it. Tomel also, people

500
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,519
will keep pushing and you know, I hope that happens.

501
00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:43,559
I'm not. I'm not. I don't know hopeful it will.

502
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,559
And same thing here, this is like a great idea.

503
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,680
It is I think Ben's the Ben's solo one. If

504
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,000
we're comparing, right, I could see some argument of the

505
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,839
the not oh he's dead, that's the dumb argument. I

506
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,240
could see arguments. I know people say, oh soda Berg

507
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,400
and his movies, like he lots of times comes on

508
00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,680
time and under budget. We don't know, We really don't know.

509
00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:07,400
It could have been a situation we taught us on

510
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,680
the episode Taylor Cantina where it's like, hey, you guys

511
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,440
want this. We had rumors of Adam Driver was wanting

512
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,119
a lot more money on F four because apparently he

513
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,680
did audition or like was in talks for Reid Richard's

514
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,759
and that happened or that supposedly happened. But the ideas

515
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:26,680
that couldn't mean on money. It could be that too,

516
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:29,960
like hey, we know they're not gonna budget on X,

517
00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:32,440
Y and Z, let's not do this or could just

518
00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:34,920
be Hey, the sequels made a lot of money, but

519
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,440
creatively that was a mess. Fan wise, that was a mess.

520
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,720
We don't want to go back there oute, we want

521
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,920
to just go to completely something new. I disagree with

522
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,440
all that, but I can at.

523
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 2: Least see someone in the room.

524
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,799
Speaker 1: You can make it argument against the Ben solo project, right,

525
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,240
we have all these analytics are and all these reasons

526
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,839
why we think it could fail or not do well.

527
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,200
The Spider Man one, like, I don't really see it.

528
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:58,079
Christen Duntz is. I can't say bigger star than ever,

529
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:03,039
but she's in more a two projects than ever told

530
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:05,079
Me's about to say Toby Stocks definitely up though, because

531
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,920
knowing Home and knowing Home is the proof right there.

532
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,880
Sam Raimi's directed multiple successful things, So I don't know

533
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,240
what the The only argument would be, oh, two Spider

534
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,880
Maman films, and I think, like I said, knowing Home

535
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,720
kind of set that up perfectly right of how you

536
00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:19,640
could do that. So that's for me one of these

537
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,400
things where obviously these companies you don't want them to

538
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,440
be greedy, but they are. And I just look at

539
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,519
Spider Man four and go like money is sitting right there,

540
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,160
you know, like it's it's it's it's an again. As

541
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,440
long as the budgets are crazy, I think it's a layup.

542
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:41,319
Even Garfields to me, spend all the budget on let's say,

543
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,279
not the venom ones but Morebius Craven in any production

544
00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:48,119
for the al mareto script everything. Take all that and

545
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,720
put that into one movie. It probably makes all those

546
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,880
more than those, Madam Webb. Fuck, it probably makes all

547
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,720
of them combined, the Adam Garfield one, right, because you

548
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,359
can argue Garfield he's bigger than he was than during

549
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,720
Spider Man, right, and if you get Stone back, she's

550
00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:03,640
bigger than she was. So they're both just kind of

551
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,599
sitting on easy money, you know. And I don't want

552
00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:08,559
to say that as like a cradtive and someone that

553
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:11,839
wants the script to be great. But my perfect world

554
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,319
is script is great, and then this also happens, right

555
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,920
like they make the money. But I don't know, it's

556
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,279
it's odd. It's very odd about it. And yes, Felminclay,

557
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:24,279
he says, everybody called Dex nine ers just league pipe

558
00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:26,519
dream absolutely, and I was in that camp as well.

559
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,039
I did not think that was gonna happen. I think

560
00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:29,880
for alt reasons.

561
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: I will always say.

562
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: That I wonder in a multi universe that you know,

563
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,000
in a better universe, that COVID didn't happen, because I'll

564
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:39,680
see lots of things happened. We lost a lot of people,

565
00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:42,359
lots of people got sick, lots of people lost their businesses.

566
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,279
I think politically, especially Mike Cannon got fucked from COVID

567
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:48,039
because it was just like I felt like, we got

568
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:50,920
so the line got drawn and it's hard to get

569
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,640
back there. Right, But that did play a lot into it.

570
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,720
Clay right, If COVID happened, theater shutdown, what can we do, Well,

571
00:25:57,799 --> 00:25:59,680
let's give the budget towards this. I'm not saying what

572
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,200
it never happened, but that helped propeled if it did.

573
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,279
And that's why sometimes things could happen. That's why if

574
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:06,799
I have Sony and said don't kill if Toby, what

575
00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:10,279
if Sony has like because didn't they do no warnabos

576
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:11,160
minecraft Sony.

577
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:11,839
Speaker 2: What do they have?

578
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,079
Speaker 1: Let me look at We're gonna search Box of motion

579
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,319
a second, but what do they have this year? I

580
00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:20,119
thought they had obviously, and I know people memed on

581
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,359
them for like they fucking sold. What is it they sold?

582
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,720
CA Pop Demon Hunters? You just sometimes never know, right,

583
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:31,839
Like I think now companies will pull back because you

584
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:33,880
look at Demon Slayer. We're gonna talk about chainsaw Man,

585
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,640
Capop Dean Hunter. I think K pop anime, you know

586
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:41,279
that type of genre or those countries bringing in product.

587
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:43,960
It's showing And we talked about this with Demonslayer. There's

588
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,960
people that grew up on an anime that have the

589
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,759
fucking money to spend now and they will go to

590
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:50,720
the theaters to see this stuff. Right, So that's where I

591
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,480
don't when Sony people meme on Sony for Capeop Demon Hunters,

592
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:56,240
you sometimes never know. I bet there's a good chance

593
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:58,680
that comes on the theater and it doesn't do anything

594
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,319
because those other ones are stablished ips. Right. The fact

595
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,799
is it grew on Netflix, started to grow and then

596
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:06,480
put in theaters and they made money for it, right.

597
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,440
So that's something where I'm not gonna meme on Sony

598
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,119
because they missed out, Like sure, do they wish they

599
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:11,599
have that back?

600
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: I imagine?

601
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,079
Speaker 1: So but like okay, so like Demons Slayer already five,

602
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:23,960
So okay, Leland Sitsch, Disney, Minecraft, Warner Brothers. Jurassic is universal.

603
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,039
I think How To Train Your Dragon's also universal?

604
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:27,319
Speaker 2: Right?

605
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: I know it's not Sony, but f One that was

606
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:31,720
Warner Brothers and Apples Superman is Warner Us. And sorry,

607
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:34,079
I'm in the top the top box office meetings for

608
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:40,079
twenty twenty five. Fantastic four is Disney Mission Possible is uh?

609
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,680
That's Paramount Conjuring. That's Warner Brothers. Captain America, Brave New

610
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,720
World is marvel A Disney, Thunderbolts, Disney Sinners, Warner Brothers,

611
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:53,640
Final Destination, blood Lines, that's Warner Brothers Weapons. That was

612
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,759
Warner Brothers. The Bad Guys Now, that's why it doesn't

613
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:58,480
know who's made a boy. But like we're at what

614
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:02,680
are we at now? Where seven seventeenth movie worldwide this year?

615
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,279
And I haven't got to a Sony movie yet. That

616
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:11,559
is also Let me just confirm it says distributed by Universal. Okay,

617
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:15,359
so Bad Guys doesn't count. Snow White Disney One Battle

618
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,039
after Another. That's warrener Brothers, Elio, Disney, Freaker Frighter Disney

619
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,240
twenty years later. I think that might be Sony, right,

620
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,759
I think that was And that sucks for me because

621
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:28,359
I love that movie, and I want more of them,

622
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,079
but Sony. So it took me to get to the

623
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,200
twenty second movie for the top twenty twenty five to

624
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,799
hit a Sony movie. What if it happens the next year?

625
00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:40,240
Obviously they got their hands and a bunch of other

626
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:43,680
stuff in PlayStation and tech, and they also came out

627
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,599
yesterday and say, hey, we're not buying Warren Brothers, which

628
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:47,880
is great, you know, but what happens if that keep

629
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,880
and they got Spider Man? They want that happening and

630
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,640
you got Spider Verse. But let's just say, other than

631
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,920
a couple of these Spider projects, let's say they keep

632
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,640
having a couple bad years. To me, it's like again,

633
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,599
easy money garfold right there? So and fuck would they

634
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,480
say to me, like if I was Sony, if that

635
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:02,799
was part of the deal, and they're like, you know,

636
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,240
like I would say, Hey, times are tough for us.

637
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:07,079
Speaker 2: We're not having hits.

638
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:08,799
Speaker 1: We're making these movies out of MC is like, well,

639
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:11,200
we're gonna pull out, like I think Hall Like, don't

640
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,440
get me wrong, the movies that Tom Holland could do,

641
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:19,079
like let's say Brandon Day comes out, Partnership is over.

642
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,640
Do I think those movies are gonna be better off. No,

643
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:24,200
absolutely not. But I feel like once you get through

644
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,440
Doomsday and Sacar Wars, I already felt that a little

645
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,400
bit before. I felt you've kind of done everything you

646
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,640
could do, not everything, but I just mean that because

647
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,119
you have Spier and X Men, Speradman, Fantastic four, but

648
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,480
in that big era, I feel like you've done a

649
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,519
lot with Spider Man that you could say, hey, MCU,

650
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:41,640
we got a lot of stars now. Granted though, playing

651
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,279
the tape back, I did say that when I thought

652
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:45,920
some of these other MCU characters were gonna be bigger

653
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,000
than they were, right, So maybe maybe i'd walk that

654
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:50,759
back a little bit. But as Sony, I would just

655
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,559
say like, hey, you're actively hurting our company. We want

656
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:55,319
to stick in business with you and help each other,

657
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,440
Like let us make these movies, doesn't matter, And like,

658
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,799
look how long it took to make the Tom Hollm one, right,

659
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,559
that was twenty nine or twenty twenty one, So it's

660
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:07,160
been four it's gonna be five years by ten. That

661
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,279
comes out half a decade. You could say, hey, we

662
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:11,799
could have made another Spiderman movie in between. And I'm

663
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:13,160
not saying it's for sure gonna take a long to

664
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,680
get to the Spiermen five. But if Home wants a break,

665
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,000
he wants to do something else, then it's like, hey,

666
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,000
we can cook over here with this other stuff. So

667
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,319
I just that's where I'm never all on Sony Simon

668
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,119
comes to Marvel stuff. But with this for business, I'd say,

669
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:28,839
let us fucking make our money. Like they own IP

670
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,440
whatever you want to say, the movies, they own the

671
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,559
Spiderman IP. What are we supposed to do with that

672
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:39,480
Marvel sold back in the day. You know, so not

673
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,720
much you can do. Uh, let's see here some questions here.

674
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,480
Clay says, if Donce couldn't make it happen, is a

675
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:53,079
recast out of the question? Is out of question? No,

676
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,200
nothing's out of question. For personal, I would say yes.

677
00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:57,759
It's like I talked about a couple of weeks ago

678
00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:01,119
when they did The Mummy three and Rachel VIIs couldn't

679
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:02,759
come back, so they got I can't remember who the

680
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,839
actress was to replace her. Chemistry wasn't there. It just

681
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,799
didn't feel right because she had to have chemistry with

682
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:10,000
her brother, and then Brendon Fraser's her love interest, and

683
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:11,880
even the Sun that was a new actor, but still

684
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:15,319
it just didn't work out on all the chemistry. Reads

685
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,359
just didn't work out for the mother, son, brothers, sister, husband, wife.

686
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:21,839
It just was off in that point. I would just

687
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,720
go a different route. I'd make him single because you

688
00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:27,079
make that right of him and that would suck, right,

689
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:29,759
But like a single dad as Spider Man, that's got

690
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,480
a fucking blow, right, we're all about spider Man had.

691
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:32,759
Speaker 2: A tough life.

692
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: Imagine Spider Man being a single dad while trying to

693
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,720
be a hero and announce his kid, like to pick

694
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,319
up his kid. People thinks he's a shit dad. The

695
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,960
kid not understanding thinking his dad is, you know, doesn't

696
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,480
love him or her and keeps an arm or distance

697
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,400
and think there's some non connection but really just him

698
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,960
trying to save the day. Missing dance recitle was like

699
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,000
it's cheesy, like easy pick up stuff, but like that

700
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,359
was what Spider Man trilogy was, right, there's a lot

701
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,400
of easy, cheesy pickup stuff which I enjoyed it, which

702
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,160
we miss of some of the MCU stuff. Right, So

703
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,200
I would say that you do a new love interest,

704
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,480
whether that is you get fucking Bryce Styles Howard back,

705
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:06,640
you do the Black Cat because that was the plan,

706
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,799
right because apparently Spreading four, Anne Hathaway is supposed to

707
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:13,480
play black Cat, but then it changed into vultures Fulter's daughter,

708
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,759
which didn't sound great. But still That's why I'd say

709
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:21,960
Clay is new love interest or uh do just a

710
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:22,680
single dad thing?

711
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:23,319
Speaker 3: Uh?

712
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:25,319
Speaker 1: Super might says, I would personally rather have a proper

713
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,200
Endy Andrews story instead of epilogue to Toby's Oh see,

714
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,240
I'm gonna do the Iron Man?

715
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: Why not both?

716
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:34,759
Speaker 1: But if I had to, Yeah, if I had to choose, now,

717
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,799
I am in the camp of Andrew. Before I wouldn't

718
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:40,480
have been. But like I said before, Andrew Garfield to me,

719
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,160
like with the note the Amazings help, that's there. But

720
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,319
to me, the NOI Home solidified him as the best

721
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:49,960
Spider Man Peter Parker.

722
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: And when NOI Home before it came out, I had.

723
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:54,319
Speaker 1: Him rank last, to be honest, but there was just

724
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:56,880
something in that movie that's the most I've ever felt

725
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,640
Spider Man appear in the com books right there, And

726
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:01,759
you know, obviosly there's some darker stuff that's going on,

727
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,160
but that happens sometimes with Peter Parker, right, So I

728
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,000
think I'm with you, Mike. If you were to say, hey,

729
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,000
you can't a both, what would you rather? I do

730
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:11,400
think Andrew like getting that proper ending would be great

731
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,759
because you can and Toby's story in a secret war

732
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,759
in Aspire Man. Even right now you could just say

733
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:18,440
that him and m Jen and together and it's happy

734
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:21,319
right with his ending on such a down or store wise,

735
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:23,640
it would be better to close that off. I just

736
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:27,079
think it sounds to me with Garfield it would be hard.

737
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,000
Before I thought it was harder to get Toby in

738
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,400
the room, not Andrew, but now I think post NOI Home,

739
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,559
I think it is because I think Andrew it's such

740
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:36,200
a great experience with NOI Home and working on that

741
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,160
creative with them. I think he wants to get that

742
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:40,960
right and it be right, not just cash in. I

743
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,160
could be wrong, but I feel like Toby's kind of

744
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,440
down to cash in, you know, He's kind of down

745
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:49,000
like that that check's big enough. Yeah, sure, I'll do this,

746
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,359
you know so, But I do kind of agree in

747
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,960
that sense. So let's see here. I will until we

748
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,519
get to the box office. I want to answer this

749
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:58,799
because Mike, you did send this in and I want

750
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:00,480
to get to it on Wednesday by I don't know

751
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,720
if another show. He did ask, if we're talking about

752
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,039
Franken Sign and Shelby Oaks and box Office and second again,

753
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:07,559
there'll be no spoilers, so if obviously, if you don't

754
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,679
like those, then you can tune up. But if you're interested,

755
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,239
I'm not going to spoil any big things. Franken seigin,

756
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,400
you kind of know the story, right, But Mike said

757
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,400
a quick little epilogue to the horror movie Rushmore, which

758
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,400
if you didn't listen a couple of weeks ago, I

759
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,199
made a Rushmore not gonna tell who's on it, go

760
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,000
listen to it, but this person was not on it.

761
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: He says.

762
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: If we include TV in the calculation, do you think

763
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:29,559
Ryan Murphy earns himself a spawn there? Which I should

764
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,880
have done a no on TV one because obviously to

765
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,480
spoil you know, Mike Flanagan did make it on there.

766
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:36,599
But I even said that newscast it'd be interesting if

767
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,559
I took that out. If Flannagan would be there, I

768
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:40,639
think it'd be a tougher case. Probably not right, but

769
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:45,960
I think the reason he's not there, and it's kind

770
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,400
of the same thing as Flanagan because I think he

771
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,960
represents two and I guess here's another spoil. James Watson

772
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:53,400
list spulled half the list, but that's everyone knew that

773
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,840
half list, right. I think there are both ways where

774
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,719
Ryan Murphy is kind of like James one where he

775
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,679
had a huge at least for TV wise, right, he

776
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,079
had a huge impact on TV and streaming with American.

777
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: Horror Story, Crime Story.

778
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,519
Speaker 1: But like with those ones American Horror Story, American Horror Stories,

779
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,400
there's another one like Scream Queens. There's tons of stuff

780
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,400
that through the Zeitgey's through popularity, like made a big deal, right,

781
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,880
so he has that working form. I think he also

782
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,679
did a lot of stuff that for even like FX

783
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,559
at the time was stuff you wouldn't see in almost

784
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:33,599
like a big mainstream sort of way. Right, it'd be

785
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:36,360
more a Nie show where American Horse got very popular.

786
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,000
But there's a lot of kinks, ah sexisms or just

787
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:43,000
sex sexisms, not sexism like fuck you male, like no,

788
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,760
like just lots of sexy stuff going on, right, lots

789
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,559
of stuff going on that you don't see on your

790
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:49,840
regular TV, which he did that with Niptuck obviously took

791
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,079
a little break quickly because can't do that in that show.

792
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,360
At least I don't think he did. I didn't watch Glee,

793
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:57,760
but I think the problem is though, so it's kind

794
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,639
of similar to Mike Flanagan where he definitely put a

795
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:02,760
thumb and with James One with lots of multiple franchises,

796
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:06,920
that to me is just that's where Flanagan is, sorry,

797
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,039
the better version of even though I'm sure Ryan Murphy

798
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:12,079
has way more money and can sell show just like that.

799
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:16,000
Because Ryan Murphy absolutely right, but I think he did

800
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:19,719
hit more of a mainstream audience eventually, which is still

801
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,519
good for horror. He definitely raised up horror to be

802
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:23,320
talked about more in that decade because we kind of

803
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,239
talked about in the early two thousands, I felt like

804
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,599
he was having some lulls right other than the odd

805
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,800
movie or show or name show, right, but even horror

806
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,800
shows that felt like they kind of went away or

807
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,840
was non existent. It felt like those were miniseries right,

808
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:38,960
obviously had twin peaks, but they felt like they were

809
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,840
exception the rule. Like every couple maybe half a decade,

810
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,280
you get a horror show that worked, where Ryan Murphy

811
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,239
made multiple but he also just showed that look how

812
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,440
big this can get with an American horror story, and

813
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,000
then multiple people tried to do that right, So like

814
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,880
you could say, like people would take a shown a

815
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,239
stranger things because of that, because horror TV can be

816
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,159
very tough to do. We talked about the It Show,

817
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,000
right and even the Alien Earth. For me, it is

818
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:03,199
just the quality of it there. I love the very

819
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:06,800
first season of American Horror Story. That's pretty perfect. I

820
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,480
think it's like a nine point five maybe I think

821
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:10,639
there's somebody even then I could probably itch it to ten.

822
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,679
Love that, and there's American Horror Story many great concepts, right,

823
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,639
and even we talked about a couple weeks ago Monster

824
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:18,840
that to me is his best work. That is a

825
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,880
one of the best seasons of television, just quality wise.

826
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,679
I know it's controversial, and I get why, and I

827
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:26,079
get why people don't like it. I think the ed

828
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:30,119
Green one is more and even the Brothers, but the

829
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,920
ed Gen one is more of an example of the

830
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,119
negativity that people say about Dahmer is really there and

831
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,360
ed Gen. Don't get me wrong, I think there's some

832
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,119
people that are actively like reviewing it in a non

833
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:44,800
bias way, but there's a lot of people that just

834
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,719
don't like that content, and I get it right. Oscar

835
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,079
Perkins talked about the way his dad was portrayed, and

836
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,400
I understand that the same way with the Dahmer stuff.

837
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,039
There's probably some stuff in there, and we know there

838
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:55,400
was stuff that people took exception to. Right, I'm saying

839
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,599
you cut that out, take take all the noise away.

840
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 2: Just show wise.

841
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,159
Speaker 1: To me, I think it's fantastic, but I think that

842
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,840
whether it is obviously handsome stuff off and produced it,

843
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,440
but other things that he was in charge of just

844
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,239
kind of go downhill. Right.

845
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,119
Speaker 2: That's always the problem with most.

846
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: American horror story. It looks great, it shot great, has

847
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:19,840
a great concept, great actors, but that ending or the

848
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,119
last three episodes always falls apart, like not always, but

849
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,559
like eight ad ten times is gonna fall apart and

850
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:29,480
not stick the landing. I think the first three seasons

851
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:31,920
he did stick the landing. I think obviously two and

852
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,360
three to or sorry no, no, I'd say three and

853
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,559
four two. I did not like Asylum. That was not good,

854
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,599
but I think he got better at it and his

855
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:41,280
team got better at it, but then there was way

856
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,840
too much of it down the line. So yeah, I

857
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,800
think it's just quality wise, m but like I could

858
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,559
see someone make an argument like obviously was just strictly TV,

859
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,800
then yes, maybe if it's also just strictly like two.

860
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:52,159
Speaker 2: Thousand and.

861
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: Ten to twenty nineteen, you could also maybe make an

862
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:57,960
argument four as well. Right, but I think these last

863
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,239
five years Glee fell with massively as season one.

864
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: Okay, did he leave that show too? I can't remember.

865
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying like a meanway, I just mean, like,

866
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:08,440
I remember we talked about with monsters, he did that,

867
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,039
he did that with Nip Tuck the last season he

868
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:10,880
was barely involved.

869
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:11,559
Speaker 2: I didn't watch.

870
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: Did he leave? Did he kind of like get at

871
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,960
a big hin then go? I didn't. I don't know,

872
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:20,960
so let me know, Mike. Sorry, should have said water break.

873
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,039
My bad. Yeah, So let's talk about box office. I'll

874
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:29,199
probably leave it off quickly because what I got about

875
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:32,000
twenty minutes here, you have ten to each. Let's all

876
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:34,280
might do box office very quickly because they didn't do

877
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,519
last week, but definitely too surprising with it going on

878
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,159
so soft frankeets sign saw Shelby Oaks. I'll start with

879
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,679
frankensteigin first, that there was like kind of halfway full.

880
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,480
I went to look at the box oh on a

881
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,159
just to bring up that. Let's see, he would know

882
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,039
he was a ball throughout. Okay, well there you go.

883
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,559
Just gut so one and done for the quality of

884
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:58,119
Glee there so, but Sallom did a doubleheader Franken Segin

885
00:39:58,159 --> 00:39:59,880
about half full, which is good. Would love to know

886
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,920
they make because obviously Netflix doesn't release those numbers. Because

887
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,400
I went to look at the box office to see

888
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,199
what it did and it's nowhere and I thought, oh

889
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,039
man to do that bad, But I went right, they

890
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:11,320
don't release those numbers, and that's up to them.

891
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 2: Hopefully did well enough.

892
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,559
Speaker 1: We heard some news they about Cliff boof maybe again

893
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,679
a movie in theaters, which you know that's the hope,

894
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,880
right My Franking Sin in theater was shown sold out?

895
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 2: Nice. Did you saw April Son Imax?

896
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: So right? I think maybe wrong because if it's Imax,

897
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,920
that makes sense because I just feel like if the

898
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,079
movie fans go to see it, they're gonna pick Imax, right, So,

899
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,639
and that's where I definitely thought like I had that crowd.

900
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,840
I for the most part, I had that crowd. The

901
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,440
reactions were interesting. There's definitely a few people that I

902
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,679
don't think were the film film fans, right, No, it's

903
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,119
just regularly okay, that's good, regular showing. So yeah, mine

904
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:49,880
was about half full, and I think i'd say seventy

905
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,400
five percent of the audience was.

906
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: Film buffs. You know that are going to like people.

907
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: That wouldn't have just saw it's on Netflix a few weeks.

908
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,679
So wait, but there is some I to love the

909
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,760
right tea me not onoxiously. It was completely fine, but

910
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,920
like you can tell him his girlfriend probably were enjoying

911
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,079
it and felt some of the cliche and cheesiness and

912
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,719
we're like laughing, and like I said, wasn't obnoxious. We've

913
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,840
all been there. I know what the innoxial laugh was like.

914
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,840
It was fine. And then also when I walked down,

915
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,159
unless it was some life thing, but I don't think so.

916
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:18,119
It was after the credits, someone's crying, someone's crying while

917
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:20,559
the ending happened, and I was like, wow, okay, so

918
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,280
obviously where I was I gonna be with Germo. I

919
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,960
don't have much time going to it. I love a

920
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,920
lot of his stuff, but I feel like there's he's

921
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,920
a director that no matter what, when he does something

922
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,199
I'm going to uh have a certain level of respect

923
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:35,960
to it and love the craft, but he's not one

924
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,599
of my farreits. Like even watching this, I was like,

925
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:42,199
I still haven't seen whatever the hell the uh the

926
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:44,719
last one he did with Cooper with the Circus one,

927
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,079
which is on my list now because it's like, right,

928
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:49,480
I gotta get to that, right, But he's you know,

929
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:53,519
Blade I loved. I'm trying to think of the most

930
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,000
recent stuff. Hell Boys were never really for me. H.

931
00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:58,079
Shape of Water I really really enjoyed, but I never

932
00:41:58,159 --> 00:41:59,679
went back to. But I think that was great and

933
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,679
obviously one best picture, and I think that year I

934
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,960
was fine with it night Mary, I I think you April.

935
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hadn't gone back.

936
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,159
Speaker 1: I think I almost checked out when it was supposed

937
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:09,719
to be Leo and I like Cooper, but I was

938
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,239
like a Leo and him would have been great, but

939
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:14,199
he's all and then like even Crimson Peak, I defend

940
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:15,559
that one a lot more. I think people look at

941
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:19,000
as like a lower tier in his filmography. You know,

942
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,519
I enjoyed Ouesty Pans Lavinth great, but that's like the

943
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:24,800
most like Godfather, Like that's one of those movies that

944
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,679
like if you like, like, it's rare to find someone

945
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:29,760
that doesn't like pans lamborn that's almost just like a

946
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,519
hips are, like I love Panslam, which I do, and

947
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:33,239
I had not seen it in at least a decade,

948
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,480
So I want to do I still got to finish

949
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:39,079
my Paul Thongs Anderson like rewatches, and then next I

950
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:40,719
want to get to Guermo because I'm just trying to

951
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,639
think if there's anything else I've missed. But I don't

952
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,119
think there's anything actively I've seen of his that I

953
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:50,039
thought was wow, that was awful. I've enjoyed all his stuff,

954
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,079
even the Hell Boys. I would go, hey, not my favorite,

955
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,679
but very well made. Right so oh in his Pinocchio,

956
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,440
I fucking loved his Pinocchio a couple of years ago.

957
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,440
That was fantastic. Love the take on and obviously anyone

958
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:03,920
knows he's big on the monsters and giving a different side.

959
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,480
But I'm just trying to think, let's see, okay, Crimson

960
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:10,760
peak pt right, he is behind that Pacific rim me.

961
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,960
I see that wasn't really my bag. He did Panzlin

962
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,199
after Hell Boy? Why did I not think that was

963
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,519
the case? Did they? When did they come out that's

964
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,199
to really, for some reason in my mind's the other

965
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:22,639
way around.

966
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:23,119
Speaker 2: Blade two.

967
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: I love so and some of his other stuff here,

968
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,880
like mimicing Cronos. I've never seen so I do gotta

969
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,840
check some stuff off, but I guess I've actually seen

970
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,480
most of his career, you know, so big fan of

971
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,639
his and you know what, Crimson Peak was very ambitious,

972
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:40,519
but the story is all over the place. I agree

973
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:42,360
with you. I definitely agree that I don't think the

974
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,840
story matched. Love the cast, visuals great, right, and that's

975
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,400
something like Dale Toro is one of those guys. The

976
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,159
second you're in his movie, second you're in the world,

977
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,239
you feel it. And that's one thing I canna start there.

978
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,199
The set design, my god, I love this. This inspired

979
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,760
an idea that I pitched to Taylor and something. Do

980
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,679
not want to say it out loud at all, So

981
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,519
if I never do it, which I actually don't think

982
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:07,039
we will, this is like a long term like, man,

983
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:09,440
if we heard the budget. This is like like dream

984
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:12,159
chasing stuff. Right. If it doesn't, I'll pitch you one

985
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:15,039
time and tell you what it was. But the set design,

986
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,920
the look, the visuals, stunning shots like a smorgas Borgus

987
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,519
stuff going on right here, and I guess I can

988
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:25,320
just like I was gonna lead up to it, but

989
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,440
just because lack of time, I'll just say I absolutely

990
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,119
loved it. I love this movie. I'm sorry to bring

991
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:33,480
her back because I'm hoping Dylan make that his pick

992
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,000
right now. Franken Soon's gonna be my golden geeks. What

993
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:37,519
the other guys have to watch? Because I think one

994
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:39,480
battle is gonna be for Kurkuling. But even then, I

995
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:42,320
think Dylan's gonna see that in Tay at some point too, right,

996
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,320
But this is my goalies pick this as right now.

997
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,480
But we're only a few months left. But this kind

998
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,079
of exceeding expectations now, I don't think it for me.

999
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:53,239
It is a ten out of ten give in my

1000
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,360
squirrely it's a ten to ten.

1001
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: No, not a perfect movie. As I've said before.

1002
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,119
Speaker 1: My scores are a combination of critique but also just

1003
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,880
pure enjoyment. Right, I think this movie is gonna watch along.

1004
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,840
I think this is gonna movie that I for dialogue

1005
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,639
and also score. I think it's Alexander Alexander displot that

1006
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:13,079
did the score here. This is one that I cannot

1007
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,639
wait till someone on YouTube's make like the ambience room,

1008
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:18,559
because if not, then I will happily wait for the movie.

1009
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:22,000
And and I think people are with me when I

1010
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:23,960
say it'sbelut like The Batman or other things of people.

1011
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,239
If I say, oh, it's a movie that I could

1012
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,239
easily fall asleep to, that's like a compliment. There is

1013
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,920
a bad way to that, right, But this is like

1014
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,840
a at times, even though there's grotesque stuff and loud stuff,

1015
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,599
there's like a soothing kind of like trance to it.

1016
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,840
The visuals help with that, the score helps with that.

1017
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,960
Let me just see composer is Yeah, it's Alexander Displot,

1018
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,199
who you know, great great composer. One of my favorite

1019
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,440
tracks ever is the I'll see It's Snape's tail Or

1020
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,119
Snape and Lily. And that's also the track that you

1021
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:57,079
know double something I can't remember but when you lose

1022
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,360
double doore that's my favorite, like all my like listen

1023
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:00,920
to all the time.

1024
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:03,039
Speaker 2: I think too.

1025
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: For any negatives, there's just i'd say, I'd say it

1026
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,000
isn't the third act and it's and I'm kind of

1027
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,960
forgetting what my other one was, but I guess it's

1028
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,639
just a combo of a little bit of pacing in

1029
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:26,639
a little bit of it feels a little rushed, which

1030
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,239
sounds odd because it's a two and a half hour movie.

1031
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,079
I think there's some stuff from maybe act too you

1032
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:35,239
could have shortened and not necessarily cut, Like there's nothing

1033
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,039
in here I want to cut. I want a longer movie.

1034
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:39,559
So that's where I guess I would just say go

1035
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:41,840
a little longer. It just feels And I don't want

1036
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,719
to talk about how the templay of the movie because

1037
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,559
it's not just an A to B. I'll mindus spoil that.

1038
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,280
It's not just like you start and get the end.

1039
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:50,559
There is a storytelling structure to it. I think with

1040
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,519
the structure just kind of makes the third act feel

1041
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,559
a little bit on fast forward. It feels like you're

1042
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,519
redescribing to someone or you watch a like a YouTube

1043
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:02,960
explainer and they show the scenes. It just feels like

1044
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,000
there's a couple jumps that don't work because of the

1045
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:06,559
time where I feel like the first act, in the

1046
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:08,519
second act, especially the second act, which I'm fine with,

1047
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:11,519
lots of time to breathe, lots of time with these characters.

1048
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:13,679
So that's why I'd say some of the pacing and

1049
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,000
maybe writing of the third act feels a little iffy,

1050
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:17,360
So that's right. Yes, So if I was giving it

1051
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,719
a critical it would not be a ten out of ten.

1052
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,320
But for my enjoyment it was because set design, fantastic scores,

1053
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,320
fantastic acting, fantastic Oscar Isaac is so good man, not

1054
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,360
that he was bad Moonnight, but I just sit there

1055
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,440
and go, right, I remember why I said this guy

1056
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:35,559
was perfect for Moonnight, and now he's just kind of

1057
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:37,559
getting fucking wasted over there. You know, he's such a

1058
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,199
talented actor. He's like such a hot little geeky nerd

1059
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,800
in this one at times too, like just some of

1060
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,159
the outfits they give him. And no, he's fantastic. Goth

1061
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:49,440
and Waltz are very very good. It's not like career

1062
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,639
best because that they're in there a smaller amount. But

1063
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,280
there's another I don't think it's a spoiler to say,

1064
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,360
like there's some flashbacks of Frankenstein when he's a young boy,

1065
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:00,840
and I can't remember it's the guy to play Taiwan

1066
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,239
Lanister fight enough. On our last newscast we talked about

1067
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:03,719
him a lot.

1068
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

1069
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: The relationship with those two is really good. I could

1070
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,039
even use a little bit more, Uh, but uh, the

1071
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:12,800
one that's down here is Jacob LOORDI because I'm somebody

1072
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:18,199
that's on that camp that people like. Some people join,

1073
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,480
some people don't. There's many people that look at Euphoria

1074
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:23,199
and Saltburn. It's kind of like, you know, trashy like

1075
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,159
music video. They don't like him for whatever X reasons.

1076
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:27,760
Right and I feel some people get put in the box,

1077
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,800
even though they got Sweeney in there and Zendea that

1078
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,000
are also great actresses.

1079
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: But I feel like.

1080
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: People have kind of put a Lordy. I don't think they.

1081
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:37,840
I think there's just lots of people. If you say

1082
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,760
LORDI is a great actor, they might not like huff

1083
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,239
at it, but they're not good They there might not

1084
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,920
be on the full bandwagon. Right to me, this is

1085
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,920
a movie that, in my opinion, is gonna turn any

1086
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,920
doubters around. They're gonna go, okay, he can And I

1087
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:53,239
already was there. I thought he was a perfect guy

1088
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,559
for Superman. I think, yeah, he could do Bond like.

1089
00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:58,119
I think he is a versatile actor because even in

1090
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:01,440
Euphoria for kind of a jock asshole type of role,

1091
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:05,320
he brings some layers to Right and Saltburn. He's very charismatic, right,

1092
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,519
like everyone fell in love with him. This this very innocent,

1093
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:15,800
very emotional, very just just lets himself go a lot,

1094
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,679
especially in that earlier stage of and I think there's

1095
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:21,320
a risk element to it. And that's why I will

1096
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,119
say for the I think the people that were laughing

1097
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:25,360
didn't like because I will say at times he plays

1098
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,880
a child like Frankenstein, right, I think, and other actors

1099
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,920
that can come off as tropic, thunder cheesy or kind

1100
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,280
of goofy, right, But for me, it's so innocent and

1101
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,599
it just it is something that I could have and

1102
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:43,800
obesoly how Andrew Garfield was the choice before I could

1103
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,960
see Garfield playing it like this because he's a phenomenal actor.

1104
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,880
I could believe he does anything. But I think with

1105
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,840
LORDI it helps his career and I think there's just

1106
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,719
certain ways that he did play that Austine, because it's

1107
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,760
just Jacob Lordy could only be for himself and one thing.

1108
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,320
Physical wise, maybe they would have made Garfield bigger, but

1109
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,440
with a LORDI such a tall dude. That really helped

1110
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,760
in these scenes with Frankenstein acting like a child but

1111
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,800
then towering over somebody, it really brought something to it.

1112
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:16,239
So yeah, he says, give him the oscar. Obviously you'd

1113
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,079
have to be in supporting and like, could I get

1114
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:19,840
that bandwagon?

1115
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:20,639
Speaker 2: Maybe?

1116
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:22,119
Speaker 1: Like I know, I'll be fighting for him golden He's

1117
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:23,400
I don't know the win. I have to wait officly

1118
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:25,920
till the end because I just can't think about everybody.

1119
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,960
But he's up there right now. I think he did

1120
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,920
a phenomenal job, so he should turn a lot of hands.

1121
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,760
Like to me, he's unlocking stuff in a performance. Wise,

1122
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,480
it clearly he's there in him right because he did it.

1123
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:37,760
But for us the audience been like, Oh, there's a

1124
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,840
whole new layer of things he can do, and I

1125
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,440
think he just really put himself out there. It's a

1126
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,400
risky I'm kind of losing the word there's another word

1127
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,159
I was gonna describe him as. But he's taken some chances,

1128
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:51,760
and for me, they really work. It's a brutal film.

1129
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,000
It has really good natural humor all the way around.

1130
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:59,599
Nothing feels out of the ordinary. Nothing ruins the plot

1131
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:01,599
we just talked about in the itch. Not not that

1132
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:03,159
I would ruin the plot, but something in that it

1133
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:05,280
welcome Drey where it takes you out of it. I

1134
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,719
think that has paced really well because Ossie third that

1135
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,320
gets a little darker and that's fine, but the rest

1136
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,559
of the movie has a good balance of drama, romance,

1137
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:15,280
comedy all and like kind of horrific gore like all

1138
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:15,920
the way throughout.

1139
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,639
Speaker 2: Like I think it works very well.

1140
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: So No, I absolutely loved Franken Sign definitely. Like I'm

1141
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:24,719
might sound weird, but I think it might be my

1142
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,280
favorite garamu one. And I think again, I've seen some

1143
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,719
critiques of it that I can get, Like, I think

1144
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,320
there's some people that it's similar to critiques that I

1145
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,559
feel like Mike flanningan gets, which we talked about before,

1146
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,559
where Mike Flannigan will have these monologues and people might

1147
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,360
call them a little cheesy or a little.

1148
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: Like just kind of.

1149
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:49,519
Speaker 1: Explaining too much, you know, uh over exposition, a little preachy,

1150
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,000
And I think that I've seen some critiques about that

1151
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,360
where you know, there's not a lot of subtext in here,

1152
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,760
like like Garamel really puts in your face, and I guess,

1153
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:01,719
like granted, sure, like I think some of that happens,

1154
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,559
but I think once some of the era and the

1155
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,880
time helps with that, but I just I think it's

1156
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,440
still naturally flows especially when you're with franken Sign. You're

1157
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,639
dealing with a man into like a baby into a

1158
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:14,920
man like a regress rates. It's like you'd kind of

1159
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,880
have to explain or that character would look at things

1160
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,840
in a very definitive in your face. Wait right, Like

1161
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:27,320
they haven't even like God in the idea of subtext

1162
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:30,480
or being subtle, right, they haven't earned that, they haven't

1163
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,360
learned that yet. So I didn't have that.

1164
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: I like.

1165
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,519
Speaker 1: Again, I think if some people want to bring it

1166
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,880
some pacing, some dialogue and being a bit too long,

1167
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,519
I can understand that. But that's the best thing about film, right,

1168
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:41,840
it's all subjective. Never felt like it was too long.

1169
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,800
I felt in the middle. There was like a time

1170
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,239
where it was taking its time, But I was never like,

1171
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,000
oh cut this and this imment, Okay, we're definitely we

1172
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:50,920
slow down.

1173
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,039
Speaker 2: With the structure. There's times where it just comes to

1174
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:54,039
a screeching halt.

1175
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: I won't say in a bad way, but I could

1176
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,960
see why other people maybe use some that as a critique.

1177
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,599
Speaker 2: But yeah, loved it. I'll be fighting for this.

1178
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: So yeah's ring pretty high than I got to my

1179
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,719
top five, top four right now, I need to rewatch

1180
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:06,360
Walls and Ground because I got my top three. I

1181
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,840
don't know if I can bump it. There's a lot

1182
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,599
of heart pick in there. But I did really enjoy it.

1183
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:12,119
It's a genuine ten for me. So I got to

1184
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,159
rewatch that to find out where it actually is there.

1185
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,039
So and then uh, Shelby Oaks, which that's where I

1186
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:20,320
can just quickly go over the box office wise, where

1187
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,760
was it there that did like two points something?

1188
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,039
Speaker 2: Did I lose all my stuff?

1189
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I closed the window in there, so

1190
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,039
we're not doing box office? What was it? Chainsaw on

1191
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:35,719
number one, like seventeen to nineteen, the other anime which

1192
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,159
is not even a big one, right, but that does it,

1193
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,880
you know, again proving the audiences Black Phone had like

1194
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,440
a like a sixty percent drop or something pretty good.

1195
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,480
I don't I think it's gonna be just on par

1196
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,599
with that first one as far as money wise, like

1197
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,599
either a little over, a little under, who knows, there's

1198
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:53,079
always some seatier Scooper saying three as planned so great,

1199
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:54,480
Like you can go check out our review. I was

1200
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,960
happy with that one, and I think there's more to

1201
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,960
explore with that character. And then Shelby Oaks made two

1202
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:04,800
point four, so awestly we don't know about anything right

1203
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,119
with a marketing all that stuff, all seats neon, so

1204
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:11,199
they're not like going out there making massive campaigns. And

1205
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:12,760
this is a tough one because we were talking about

1206
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,679
this in the discord where for a while some people

1207
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:17,920
came in which I have I could rant. I'm gonna

1208
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,480
rant on geek first about like people and how they

1209
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:23,719
sit at theaters and whatnot. It's just kind of crazy

1210
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,280
sometimes if you got a whole theater there's only three

1211
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,840
of us. Why he's sitting right in front of me.

1212
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:35,639
I digress. So for me made two point four production

1213
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,039
budget of two point eight, that's a win. Obviously him

1214
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:40,360
making that film. This guy's fucking won a bunch of

1215
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,360
stuff right and all sets is first time directing. And

1216
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,400
here here's my context because we told this on after

1217
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,800
nine and I guess I don't know where to go

1218
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,719
because like I got all like tanish Min's left, Chris stuckman,

1219
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,480
if you don't know using the crop of a lot

1220
00:54:54,480 --> 00:55:02,880
of John Campia, uh God, screen junkies, Jeremy Johns, the Schmos,

1221
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,960
some other people, right, that started big time early on

1222
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:06,800
the film.

1223
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: Criticism on YouTube started.

1224
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: Get Rotten Tomatoes approved, brought to stuff, etcetera. Right, I

1225
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,719
had seen a couple of reviews, but I primarily knew him.

1226
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: From the Schmoe's No Show and the me On shmow Down.

1227
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: And I've checked out some of these reviews, but it

1228
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,880
was never my go to critics. That's the thing where

1229
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,519
I am, of course happy for this guy because we're

1230
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:27,639
trying to do the same thing right and luckily, like

1231
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,280
saying thing like we didn't raise one point eight million,

1232
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,440
we're very happy. But we've said this before. What we

1233
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,880
make on Patreon with the ads and stuff like that

1234
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,239
paid for most of the budget for a Dragon Coon.

1235
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:40,000
That paid for the camera, lots of props, lot of

1236
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,960
stuff still came out of our pocket. But we're in

1237
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,159
that same idea where that's where I'm cheering for this guy,

1238
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:48,119
where this guy does a Kickstarter offsely, you know, very

1239
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:50,960
popular one of the OG's. So it gets one one

1240
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,159
point eight million, that's great, ties it with a Neon

1241
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,599
Mike Flanagan. They get him another million, so that's great.

1242
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,360
He's fucking already won whatever you feel with the movie.

1243
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:02,000
He know, like flanning it, Neon produced it and He

1244
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:04,079
even said if this didn't happen, he was just gonna

1245
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:06,320
release it on YouTube one day randomly. So the fact

1246
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,480
that it's even making two point four million is two

1247
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:10,360
point four more than it would have made on YouTube,

1248
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,320
I imagine, right, even with his big audience. I don't

1249
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:15,159
know how the YouTube algorithm works that way, or the

1250
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:17,719
CPM's work when you're to that level, right, but I've

1251
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,039
seen what they do for even just you know, successful videos.

1252
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:26,599
They do, you know, six figures and or five figures ago. Man,

1253
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:29,000
they take they take a lot of money YouTube. It's

1254
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:31,960
that's why we always appreciate the super chats or extra support,

1255
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,360
because they actually just money's of view, not much.

1256
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: Versus podcasting, you get a lot more. So that's great.

1257
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,079
Speaker 1: And two point four eight budget, that's pretty good. The

1258
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:43,239
promotion was odd because I didn't get tickets till the Wednesday,

1259
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,280
like on sale notice, and then we didn't have a

1260
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,000
Thursday screening. My screening only had five people in. It

1261
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:50,320
felt like many people didn't know much about it going on,

1262
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,719
Like even spisaid like he just learned about the other day.

1263
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,800
So I don't think they did the greatest job. Then

1264
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,000
maybe they just felt the track in their views because

1265
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,880
it came out and it was like a sixty percent

1266
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,920
run of me and it got D plus on Cinema score,

1267
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,800
which doesn't mean much for horror because horror is all

1268
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,440
over the place. We talked about that in the discord

1269
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,880
and yeah, joined the discord that's below like Hereditary D plus.

1270
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:12,239
What was the other one too, Oh there was a

1271
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,039
big one. I can't remember. There was another film that

1272
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,159
of note got a C plus. So horror and cinema

1273
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:20,440
score very tough. So I so that thing where it's like,

1274
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,239
I have no bias when it comes to this, cause

1275
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,960
like i like Chris Stuckman, and I've seen a couple

1276
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,840
of reviews being never my reviewer, and I like and

1277
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,840
appreciate the journey he's been on, and that's a goal like, yeah,

1278
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:32,239
he did it.

1279
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:33,199
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, good for him.

1280
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: But I'm also not gonna be like, now, this is

1281
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,519
a ten out of ten, right, And there's also some

1282
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:38,519
people that are just super jealous of them, And that's

1283
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:41,840
where you can reading some reviews or reactions where they're

1284
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,760
just mad that's happened, right, same thing, go out and

1285
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,239
do it. It's trust me for the stuff that we've

1286
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,360
done and we're doing, and we're nowhere near We're not

1287
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,559
working with the neon like when you are making not

1288
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:54,400
just even a short film, we make a film film

1289
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,239
like our next movie. That's like even the last one

1290
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,159
we did was fifty minutes. So many problems come up

1291
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:02,400
and everything. So good for him, right, let's see Jeremy

1292
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,519
John's review came up a bit better to me. Yeah,

1293
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:06,840
and I'm gonna like, I didn't watch that because I'm

1294
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,719
done with the I never was a John's guy, because

1295
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,360
I kind of found him just I don't know, even

1296
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:15,239
so he joined Collider for a little bit. He was

1297
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,440
on that for a year, and I think that's the

1298
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,159
most I knew of him. Shmoanna, I heard of the

1299
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:21,920
name of all the time and everything of Jeremy John's,

1300
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,679
and I never He's the one that I've watched the

1301
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:26,280
least off because I always found John's kind of annoying.

1302
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:28,000
And then there's just some stuff he's done the past

1303
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,920
couple of years where even more so of like hey,

1304
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,360
as a critic, don't really like you and as a

1305
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,920
person kind of iffy. And I'd heard about that, right,

1306
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:36,519
And I think there is a couple of people in

1307
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:40,880
that sphere that they come off as you know, you

1308
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,880
started the sne and even if they don't want to

1309
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:46,360
make movies, it's still this guy is being interviewed by

1310
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,079
this person, this guy's a movie coming out, this guy X,

1311
00:58:48,159 --> 00:58:48,440
Y and Z.

1312
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 2: There's definitely some of that.

1313
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,039
Speaker 1: Right, And that's why it's like it's tough to I

1314
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:54,519
don't know what that review is like, but I've heard

1315
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:56,320
more negative. Tough to take that and for me, this

1316
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,559
review or this movie, I I enjoyed it. I think

1317
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:02,199
that this is something I've heard from other people, and

1318
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:05,119
almost like Frankenstein. I think the weakest part is the

1319
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,360
third act. There is and I can't say because I've

1320
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,719
seen a lot of people, Oh he did a great

1321
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,920
directing end, but the writing you should get someone else

1322
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,880
to write it. There is some stuff in here that

1323
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:15,480
is like really good. As far as concept, I think

1324
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,239
the concept's really good. I think for non spoils stuff. Yeah,

1325
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,599
the third act I think the almost similar to Frankenstein.

1326
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,000
It just Franken Segin to a lesser degree. But this

1327
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,280
almost feel like it just kind of ends. There's like

1328
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,079
a huge kind of ramping up of something, and I

1329
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:34,519
think the climactic and I'm saying battle. But it's not

1330
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:36,599
even a battle. It's not like a gunfight, swords and sandals.

1331
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:40,519
It's just like what you'd imagine in a ghost horror,

1332
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,960
you know, like exorcism, like and it's not even any

1333
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,920
of that stuff, but just the whole genre of horror.

1334
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,000
It's something that you want, like a something big to happen.

1335
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:55,639
Right in my opinion, right, that's how you know, either

1336
00:59:55,719 --> 00:59:58,960
you need something big to happen or that's where you

1337
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,760
can't come in to the writing. If it's on a subtle,

1338
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,480
more smaller degree, it has to really hit home with you.

1339
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:05,119
And I think with both things that didn't. I think

1340
01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:08,159
the big ending wasn't there, And I think how it ends.

1341
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:11,239
You can go, eh, all right, it's kind of messy.

1342
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:12,880
And then even the ways if it's not messy you

1343
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,320
think about it, it just doesn't. It's not that enthralling. And

1344
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,880
the other thing is this like is not like this

1345
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,880
is a completely different strokes for different folks. It's how

1346
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:24,719
I didn't have this to a huge degree, but there's

1347
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:26,719
tons of people I know that with weapons. Once it

1348
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,000
was revealed what the cause was, I think for me,

1349
01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:31,320
I was like, Okay, that was good, but it wasn't like, Wow,

1350
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,719
I love that, where with Barbarian I loved I think

1351
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,360
the reveal was going on. I think some of the

1352
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,079
execution later on kind of took me out with even

1353
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:42,360
then writing as well too. For me, i'd say, like

1354
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:46,519
the the like the end point of what the evil was.

1355
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,039
I didn't I didn't love like I didn't love the design.

1356
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:52,800
You know, it just it wasn't It didn't work for me.

1357
01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:55,119
I kind of saw it and coming, oh, okay. So

1358
01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:57,559
if you've ever had that where it is the reveal

1359
01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:00,599
in weapons or certain monster it doesn't do for me.

1360
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: That was kind of it.

1361
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,719
Speaker 1: That was kind of how you know, with my Weapons,

1362
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,440
it was like, oh yeah, this when the reveal of

1363
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,360
what's going on, that didn't really do for me.

1364
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:11,199
Speaker 2: Act one is.

1365
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:14,239
Speaker 1: What he's talked about, primarily like a found footage Blair,

1366
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,400
which like old school this is a ghost henter thing.

1367
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,880
That stuff rocks nails it one hundred percent and also

1368
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,960
nails like the true crime type of pacing.

1369
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: There's a couple of stuff that feels.

1370
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: Very movie wise where I go, oh, you could have

1371
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,440
just changed a few things that would have felt more natural.

1372
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,679
Same thing, like something happens really like something happens really

1373
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:34,039
big and the person comes home from the hospital right away,

1374
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:37,800
they're like, wow's the first day hospital. You're like with

1375
01:01:38,119 --> 01:01:40,519
how the movie sets you up with, how like precious

1376
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:43,599
this situation would be, this character you'd feel like wouldn't

1377
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:45,960
be doing this interview of the day of right. Acting

1378
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:48,639
overall is, you know, pretty pretty good. I actually like

1379
01:01:48,719 --> 01:01:50,239
the main lead quite a bit. I think she did

1380
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:51,480
a great job. I don't know what her name is,

1381
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:52,559
I don't have time to pick it up, but I

1382
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:55,039
think she did a great job. I think he did

1383
01:01:55,079 --> 01:01:59,800
a couple really good like jump scares, scares in general,

1384
01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:02,280
a lot of like oh, when you start investigating this tery,

1385
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,119
this leaves this is this things that you get a

1386
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:06,320
little goose and go oh okay. So I think that

1387
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,239
there's some concepts and some moments that really worked out well,

1388
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,760
like this made it workers. Stuckman made an effective horror movie.

1389
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,199
Especially act one act too, and even act one act too.

1390
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,480
I wouldn't be like, oh, this was great and then

1391
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,719
the end happening. No, it' said like this is some

1392
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,159
really good stuff too good stuff to like meant to.

1393
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,119
I don't think if anything goes into me the bad

1394
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:27,719
category like, I don't think so.

1395
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,039
Speaker 2: I think there's maybe little.

1396
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,119
Speaker 1: Stuff like maybe your performance there are one little beat there,

1397
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,559
but like nothing like this was really you know, like

1398
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,079
is it kind of a at times run the mill

1399
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,599
horror movie. Sure, but it's also guys first time up

1400
01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:41,559
to bat right, Like, I'm sure there's things he's gonna

1401
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:42,000
feel about.

1402
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:44,079
Speaker 2: Right, there's stuff like even my just fifty.

1403
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: Minute Drenochrome film, I watch it now, I go, oh,

1404
01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:47,960
hate that, and I'll never say what it is. Maybe

1405
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,559
when we do the commentary track, there's a couple where

1406
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:51,400
I go like, and there's stuff that I didn't even

1407
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,119
notice where I'm like, then you watch it back and

1408
01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:55,519
you just go, oh man, and stuff you just can't change,

1409
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:56,760
right because you've shot it, you've done this.

1410
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 2: You go damn, Like that's annoying.

1411
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,679
Speaker 1: And that's where now with the other films we I

1412
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:04,239
won't say, rushed out Atjernachrome, like we had a date

1413
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:04,920
one to get out there.

1414
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:05,599
Speaker 2: People want to see it.

1415
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:08,039
Speaker 1: But now the other stuff, it's like always gonna be

1416
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:10,039
a lot more and especially we just that was a

1417
01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:11,639
good trial run for us, right, And it's the same

1418
01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:14,360
thing for this being a trial run and having a budget.

1419
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:15,840
I think he did a really good job. I'd like

1420
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,159
to see him work with Flanagan. He it got to

1421
01:03:18,199 --> 01:03:20,840
the point where his next film, I would go to

1422
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,920
the theaters and be interested and want to see what

1423
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,159
it is. But it's also not like a hey, when

1424
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:28,440
at Robert Eggers has something, I gotta see it. When

1425
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:32,119
when Ari asked, or same thing when Hereditary which came

1426
01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:37,199
out and I uh won second Hereditary, I didn't enjoy

1427
01:03:37,199 --> 01:03:39,079
it as much as I do now. And in Midsommar

1428
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,960
I was like, this is a strange, odd movie because

1429
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:43,000
the style and because the.

1430
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,119
Speaker 2: Strengths were so high.

1431
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: I was like, no matter what Ari Astro does, I'm

1432
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,800
gonna see uh bo is afraid and editing. We're getting

1433
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,239
to a point where assume maybe I might not be

1434
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:53,239
on there because like, he's still doing some interesting stuff,

1435
01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:56,440
but I'm just the highers. The highs aren't as high, right,

1436
01:03:56,719 --> 01:03:58,159
So I think he does have some highs in here.

1437
01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:00,679
I think there's some good creep up moments I appreciate too.

1438
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:03,679
There's a lot of we partnered with Flannagan of the Peripheral.

1439
01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:06,559
I will say there's one scene in particular that I

1440
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:09,199
don't know I'll have to see on reviews or YouTube videos,

1441
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,159
but it's one of those where no one else in

1442
01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:13,760
the theater, there's only like the five of us, but

1443
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,880
no one else saw it. But there's something and it's

1444
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:18,119
very much I didn't want to say it is when

1445
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:20,840
you see the first time, it's very much you're not

1446
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,760
gonna see it if you're not looking for it, and

1447
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,920
it's there and nothing like. It doesn't run at you,

1448
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,760
it doesn't jump at you, it doesn't chase you, doesn't

1449
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,760
turn to jump scare. It's just there so much like

1450
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,280
Flanning and stuff where when you watch it back you're like, fuck,

1451
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,760
there's it goes. There's that So I think that vibe

1452
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:39,800
of looking for your sister, the home footage, everything like that.

1453
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,239
The setup I think is all very well done and

1454
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,360
very good. I enjoyed it. I think there's some good

1455
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,440
shots in here too. I think for the most but

1456
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,039
there's a couple of darkness times where it's like this

1457
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:50,039
could have been you know, that's a pet peeve of

1458
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:54,239
mine if it's dark, like please let me see. And

1459
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,559
I think for the most part there is. I think

1460
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:57,480
there's like a prison sequence. It isn't but and I

1461
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,519
think the mystery is it gets unraveled. It works pretty well.

1462
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:02,880
Like I was invested and I liked it, and I

1463
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,719
thought it was a good I had a good ton

1464
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,840
of theaters. I think I would be like a seven

1465
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,320
out of ten. Like I enjoyed it, I can definitely

1466
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,039
see some critiques. And that's the same thing if you

1467
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:15,599
watch certain things and so if they don't the scares

1468
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:17,559
don't get you and all of a sudden in the theaters,

1469
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:19,840
that always helps to right, But if those certain elements

1470
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,440
you don't like, then you're gonna be lessened to it, right,

1471
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,159
same thing as a way, the way I am with

1472
01:05:24,199 --> 01:05:26,000
the reveal, I'm like, okay, I'm a lesson to that,

1473
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:27,440
even though I think some of the build up's good,

1474
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,599
even like right, there's like kind of two reveals with

1475
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:33,199
the reveal, or i'd say the end point, there's multiple.

1476
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,239
I'd say we're getting the third act. There is a

1477
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,519
moment where a character finds something. I got chills right there,

1478
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:41,519
you know, rock Hills. I really like that. That was

1479
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:43,480
really good because I was like, a fuck, like what's

1480
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,880
going on here? And again I don't think it kind

1481
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,280
of continues right Hereditary for example, that's like a fuck,

1482
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,000
what's going on here? And then the third act goes

1483
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:53,480
you're like, oh man, we're in for a fucking ride

1484
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:56,199
where the ride kind of you know, kind of maybe

1485
01:05:56,239 --> 01:05:58,079
has its big jump a little.

1486
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,679
Speaker 2: Too early, but I enjoyed it. I'll be there for

1487
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:00,400
the next one.

1488
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: To me. Now, uh, if he does an next one

1489
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,719
that's kind of lesser than this or whatever, then maybe

1490
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:08,280
I wouldn't be there for all of them. Right, I'll

1491
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,159
be okay, I'll see what the concept is. But this

1492
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,840
was enough where okay, I would be interested in another

1493
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,440
Chris Stuckman project, and.

1494
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it was fun time.

1495
01:06:16,039 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: I think if you like found footage or those early

1496
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,400
type of go like, I actually think Tay's gonna really

1497
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,760
like aspects of this. I think there's it's just like

1498
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,880
all horror genre, right, I can watch a tort reporting

1499
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,199
thing and be like, I know who it's for. We're

1500
01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:30,880
Kirkla'm I gonna go, oh, it's not for that. I

1501
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,559
don't think I know people that act of like I

1502
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:34,719
don't like this genre, but I know there's certain people

1503
01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:37,880
that I think it's gonna work better towards others than

1504
01:06:38,199 --> 01:06:40,920
you know, for even me or for others that didn't

1505
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:43,639
like it, right, that might kind of forgive it for

1506
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:44,239
some stuff.

1507
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:45,639
Speaker 2: So and that that's where I am. I'm not a

1508
01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:46,719
big found footage guy.

1509
01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:50,119
Speaker 1: I think I loved this aspect of there was a

1510
01:06:50,159 --> 01:06:51,960
mix of the two which was good, which they kind

1511
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,639
of drop. But I think that Found footage and the

1512
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:55,840
true crime doc Nature that we watch because me and

1513
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,599
Emily like a lot of that stuff, I think they

1514
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:58,320
did well.

1515
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,119
Speaker 2: So yeah, my hats are all.

1516
01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:01,559
Speaker 1: To Chris Stuckman and the crew. And that was good.

1517
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 2: It was a good time.

1518
01:07:02,599 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: I recommend it when it comes on vod or go

1519
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,360
see in the theaters again. As I end this episode,

1520
01:07:08,239 --> 01:07:10,840
as we're close enough to fucking Warner Brothers in the

1521
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,840
next few months, bought and we're gonna go down from the.

1522
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,679
Speaker 2: Big five to the Big four like that.

1523
01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: That's why for me and even then Frankenstein and this

1524
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,239
it was very hard for me to see because they

1525
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,559
were on Thursdays. The weekend was busy and I was

1526
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:24,079
out of there like midnight. I did a double late

1527
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:27,639
double screenings, but I sat there. I know this sounds dumb,

1528
01:07:27,679 --> 01:07:29,559
right because it's like little me and how much do

1529
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:31,400
we make a difference, But it's like there's almost a

1530
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:32,480
time I was like, you know what, I'm just not

1531
01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:34,760
gonna go. I don't know if I can make it,

1532
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,519
but I went one for some reason in the future

1533
01:07:37,559 --> 01:07:39,880
like the Cliff Boof movie or if Netflix buys WB

1534
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:41,760
I'd like to see these movies in the movie theaters

1535
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,840
because I just enjoy them more the right So like honest,

1536
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,559
slyly frank content, and same thing with this. It's like,

1537
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,599
I'm gonna go support this little one. So if you

1538
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:50,599
have any interest, I think you will enjoy it. At

1539
01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:53,880
least I don't. I don't when I know people when

1540
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,039
I've seen some reviews like oh, there's so many issues.

1541
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,440
I don't know people I think are pretty pretty. I

1542
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,440
think again, something that comes down to who's making it,

1543
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,000
because they are so much. I promise you just this year,

1544
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,920
so much more worse movies out there than Shelby Oaks,

1545
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,639
which is just like a fun, decent horror, you know,

1546
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,719
found footage thriller at times. So that's the episode four today.

1547
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:18,039
I'll be on side Quest with Dylan later tonight. I

1548
01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:19,600
guess that's some more in the morning feeds. They'll be

1549
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,880
back for news. So Travis told you on Wednesday that's

1550
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,039
a TVD. Thank you everyone, live chat, thank you everyone

1551
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:27,279
tuned in. Think everyone listen after the fact. I hope

1552
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:29,159
if I don't hear from you next. And you know,

1553
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:31,600
in this sort of sense you everybody has a great

1554
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,479
Halloween week. And you know, if you've got kids, go

1555
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,000
trigger treat, go to some parties. If you don't get

1556
01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:39,560
some food, get some cant like, spoil yourself, go watch

1557
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,359
a horror movie and be a kid. Go buy yourself

1558
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:43,720
a fucking bagel, multi mixed candies, and go do that.

1559
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,479
So appreciate you, love you. Promise don't hear from me next.

1560
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:47,600
It'll not be boring.