WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:14.960 Welcome to Destiny. 2 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:18.320 Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. 3 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:23.280 Okay, I am going to go another week of promoting 4 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:28.399 AI and I'll tell you why I told you about 5 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:34.320 the prompts, which are these elaborate questions. I just discovered 6 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:40.880 that chat GPT will automatically generate a very sophisticated prompt 7 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:43.880 when you ask a basic question. So you put a 8 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:49.159 question to tru to the prompt. What was what's the 9 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:53.679 original look of the Eiffel Tower, how was the Eiffel 10 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:58.600 Tower built? And hold on stuff like that, and it'll 11 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:01.920 come back with very detailed the points of view from 12 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.439 various people that built of the engineering team. You might 13 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:07.680 get if you ask for it. You might get schematics 14 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:11.040 and things like that when the prompt comes up, and 15 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:13.239 not always it doesn't always come up. It always it 16 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:15.879 comes up as a kind of an aid. It's very strange, 17 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:20.200 almost intuitive. When the prompt suggestion comes up, you have 18 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:25.879 three to five times more detail added to your question. 19 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.359 And that's what they call the prompt. It's getting into 20 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:34.439 what was the weight bearing size of the main pillars, 21 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:39.439 what kind of steal was used, where was the still 22 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:43.000 made and was it imported? I mean those kind of 23 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:48.560 details are now readily available. They may have been available 24 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:51.959 from the very beginning. But like I mentioned before in 25 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:56.319 twenty twenty two, when I first became intrigued with AI, 26 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:01.359 mostly as a writer, I was getting I was getting junk. 27 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:05.799 It was more of a gimmick. And now and this 28 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:11.520 is exponential growth. Now it's really a tool, I think, 29 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.879 and I I'm sure other people have thought about this. This, 30 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:20.639 This makes each of us a genius because nothing is unlimited. 31 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.639 You can ask a variety of questions, you can inquire. 32 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.599 In my case, as an amateur archaeologist, a mayanist, what 33 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:36.719 I've been doing lately is taking broken statues, broken steely 34 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:39.919 These are the Maya standing stones that have carvings of 35 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:45.800 dates and things that are in pieces, putting them together, 36 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:50.479 uploading them and saying make me or I should say, 37 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:59.960 render the original features and position and look at this statue, steel, 38 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:06.879 the building, twmple, whatever. And I am getting just miraculous results. 39 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:10.280 It's just so much fun. And I gotta say this. 40 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:15.639 I think there is a community that is growing in 41 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.360 the archaeological community that's beginning to look at it. But 42 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:21.280 I don't know if they take it serious or not. 43 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:25.520 And I'm getting some very very accurate reproductions. In fact, 44 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:29.120 I have one of the rams of Ramsey, the second, 45 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:34.919 this monstrosity, it's known as the Colossus. It's located in 46 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.240 a place called the Ramseum, which is kind of a 47 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:44.159 memorial building to him. And out in front is this toppled, 48 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:51.439 huge colossus of a statue, and this monstrosity which has 49 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:57.639 never really been placed or attempted. No one's ever attempted 50 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:00.759 to put it back together because it's too big. The 51 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.479 thing when it was put together weighed over a thousand tons, 52 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:12.560 one thousand tons. So on the upcoming cliff notes you'll 53 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:15.680 be able to see exactly what I'm talking about. I 54 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:19.600 take it from the broken pieces and I actually assemble 55 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:22.959 it using AI and I gotta tell you it is 56 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:27.600 a fun, fun, fun tool. So when I say everyone's 57 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.439 going to be using it soon, I don't know some people. 58 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:32.839 I mean you might be where I was two years ago. 59 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:34.759 It's like, oh, this is a gimmick. It's not working 60 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:38.680 for me. But I'll tell you it is access to everything. 61 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:43.879 You have literally access to anything. You can come up with, 62 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:48.959 any ideas, any concepts, diagrams. All you need to do 63 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:51.199 is type it in and I'll tell you, I'm reading 64 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:56.519 a book right now on developing prompts. And that's the key. 65 00:04:56.920 --> 00:05:01.319 The more sophisticated you can describe what you want, the better, 66 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:07.000 the more accurate, and just the more brilliant this technology 67 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:12.600 can reveal your thoughts. It's a little scary when you 68 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.079 think what's happening in the next two, three, four or 69 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:19.360 five years. What happens next, Well, this is where you 70 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:26.279 begin putting AI into automatrons, robots. I don't know if 71 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:30.399 they're putting in cars, because they have driverless cars, and 72 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.120 now we have them here in San Francisco. I have 73 00:05:33.279 --> 00:05:35.800 not gotten used to that. By the way, I see 74 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:38.199 I go to visit people in the city, are going 75 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:44.079 to meet somebody, and you see these cars driving with 76 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:49.279 nobody in the driver's seat. I'm like, God, if you 77 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:51.839 don't see them on the freeway quite as quite yet, 78 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:56.199 but you are seeing people, you know, attempted without a driver. 79 00:05:57.079 --> 00:05:58.759 I don't know. I don't know where AI is going, 80 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:00.600 but I'll tell you this guy's a little And that's 81 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:03.959 why our government here in the United States is throwing 82 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:10.120 tens of billions of dollars. And it's not just chat 83 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:13.639 GPT anymore. It's about I want to say fifty, maybe 84 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:20.519 close to one hundred breakoffs who took the data and 85 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:26.199 they spun their own AI. As an example, I'm using Claude, 86 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:30.560 which is a writing tool where you can upload a 87 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:34.600 sample of your writing and it'll reproduce it pretty close. Now, 88 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:36.000 I'm not going to write a book like that because 89 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:41.079 it gets pretty goofy, but it's great for chapter reviews 90 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:45.439 and consistency. As a writer, you want consistent You want 91 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:51.120 the messages to come through consistently with accuracy and readability. 92 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:55.000 And it looks like Claude is one of those tools 93 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:59.279 that can really help you. So AI is here and 94 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:01.160 I urge you to play with it, and you can 95 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.639 get it. You can download pretty much any of the 96 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:08.439 fifty to one hundred tools for free. But when it 97 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:13.279 comes into really getting into some detail, they ask you to, 98 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:19.560 you know, become a member. So really really really fun stuff. 99 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:26.120 Today's program is on monsters, creatures, and Poultergeist's all kinds 100 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:31.000 of cryptoids as well, And I had fun with this. 101 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:37.000 It turns out here in California there's a creeper in 102 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:40.199 a place called Fresno that I didn't know about but 103 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:47.199 everywhere in the world there are manifestations of monsters, which 104 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.120 are when they say monsters, it's more like I don't 105 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:52.160 know what this is, so I'm calling it a monster. 106 00:07:53.439 --> 00:08:00.439 The classics like the Lockness monster, the bigfoot sasquatch. We 107 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:06.120 even talk about the chupacabra, which is this doglike creature 108 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:12.279 most notably found in Mexico. So we're gonna go in 109 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:17.399 and out. You're gonna hear about some unusual topics. Let 110 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.199 are a little chili but not too far. So today's 111 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:25.920 program is Monsters, Myths, Legends and Real Encounters, and my 112 00:08:26.040 --> 00:09:06.399 guest is author research investigator Richard Estepp. We have a 113 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:10.440 paranormal investigator with us. Today's name is Richard Espp, and 114 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:15.360 he has written quite a fascinating new book called Dark Spirits, Monsters, 115 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:20.960 Demons and Devils, and this is a look at everything 116 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:25.960 from kryptoids to hauntings and everything in between. It's kind 117 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:32.120 of a an overview of some of the strangest events 118 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:38.399 and cases ever recorded. And I'm happy to have him 119 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:41.720 on because I have questions about some of these historic places. 120 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:48.720 Richard is originally from the UK, and you know, we 121 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:53.600 don't get or have the history that Europe has on 122 00:09:54.799 --> 00:10:00.000 hauntings paranormal events, and so here's somebody who's really investing, 123 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:04.279 geted a wide range of topics. So hey, Richard, welcome 124 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:09.000 to Destiny. Great to have you on the program. 125 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.320 Good morning, it's a pleasure to be a good afternoon, 126 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:13.799 I should say, now thanks to the invitation, Cliff. 127 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:23.279 Do you notice or suspect that there are different patterns, 128 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:26.480 these paranormal patterns of these creatures and these hauntings that 129 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:33.200 are cross cultural? Are they? Obviously America is a younger country. 130 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:36.399 But what do you discover? What do you find when 131 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:40.039 you're out searching? Is this something that's historic? 132 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:48.279 I feel like when it comes to cryptids amongst the stories, 133 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.039 each culture has its own unique lens that it tends 134 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:57.039 to view the kind of creatures or through. You know, 135 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:00.519 So for example, if I say vampire, as we live 136 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:02.960 here in the West, you know, we tend to think 137 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.039 of depending upon our age, like you and I our generation, 138 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:09.240 we might think of like Bela Lugosi or Christopher Lee, 139 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:12.440 you know, the classic kind of Dracula with the long 140 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.519 cape and things of that nature. Some folks might think 141 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:20.000 more of the sparkling vampires from Twilight, you know. But 142 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:22.919 if you go a little further around the world and 143 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:27.519 I research vampires in India, vampires there come in the 144 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:38.120 form of naked women riding tigers called cheapey. So oh, 145 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:41.679 we've made the vampire like a very kind of pale skinned. 146 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:45.240 We owe the Victorians, that I think, and a lot 147 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:47.360 of our vampire mythos comes from that kind of New 148 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:50.799 England Puritan Victorian world. We go around the world and 149 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:53.399 vampire stories are very different. You've got these big winged 150 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:58.480 bloodsucking creatures, you know, and then I think you look 151 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:03.440 at other countries and the supercabra, the bloodsucking the goat 152 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:06.159 goat sucker, you know, is again roots kind of in 153 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:09.039 the vampire myth But that's a whole other take on things. 154 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:12.559 So every culture has its variance on these stories and 155 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:15.240 they can change over time. They can change with geography 156 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:18.120 and over the generations. It's something that makes them fascinating. 157 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:23.960 When when we hear the term per normal, what does 158 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.200 that mean to you? I mean, also I want to ask, 159 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:29.600 I want to double this question up for you, why 160 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:32.679 are you so interested in these phenomenon? I mean, because 161 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.000 I can see getting being interested in one or two, 162 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:39.159 but you made a career out of it. It's quite fascinating. 163 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.840 It's always like you're looking for this. You're, you're, you're, you're, 164 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:47.120 you get a you have a huge interest in this. 165 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:52.399 Well, I feel that we live in the twenty first century. 166 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:54.679 You know, we have these You and I are talking 167 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:57.559 now across the country via the wonders of technology. I 168 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:01.240 have a magic device right here where which contains more 169 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:05.080 information at the touch of a few buttons than was 170 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:08.440 in the entire library of Alexandria. And you know, we 171 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:11.639 like to think we know everything, or we know how 172 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:14.960 the world works, the universe works. But increasingly there are 173 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:19.960 these strange corners, these strange tales, whether it's haunted places, 174 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.039 you know, UFOs, UAPs, things of that nature, whether it's 175 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:27.799 cryptids and monsters, and they remind us that there are 176 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:31.960 these areas that science has not yet explained, and they 177 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:35.440 fascinate me. I like, I'm interested in the shadowy corners 178 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:37.639 of our world and what may or may not lie there. 179 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:39.080 I mean, at the end of the day, who. 180 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:47.399 Isn't Yeah, uh, do you have equipment that you carry 181 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:49.879 when you're doing it, like checking out a haunting or 182 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:56.519 a Poulter guys, do you carry special prayer? I think 183 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:59.120 of the movie series where they had all this equipment 184 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.960 with it, but some of it might be valid when 185 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.399 you're checking frequencies and energy feels and stuff like that. 186 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.960 Yeah, different tools for different jobs. So usually that's that's 187 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:17.320 the kind of stuff you would employ investigating a haunted location, 188 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:22.120 you know, checking where well the baseline electromagnetic field levels are, 189 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:27.039 identifying where there might be whether utilities might come into 190 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:30.759 the house, sources of energy, things of that nature, temperatures, 191 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.559 So yeah, definitely there is a place for that. Less 192 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.399 so when it's it's something about monsters, you know, so 193 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:40.399 when I'm when I'm writing a book about cryptids, you 194 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:43.320 are more kind of getting out there and putting boots 195 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.799 on the ground and going out and looking for this 196 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.919 kind of stuff and chronicling the story. So less equipment 197 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:51.519 involved with this kind of project. 198 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.200 Mmm. Interesting. You open a book with Where Wolves, and 199 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:59.039 I've been fascinated by Where We was said, how far 200 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:02.559 back in history do they go? Do they go? Do 201 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:05.679 they do they go back to the Romans? Or how far? 202 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:09.320 How far back into the history do we look at Wherewolves? 203 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.559 I think Wherewell was born out of this idea that 204 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.639 the human beings can change into animals with various forms, 205 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.440 and you can find that in Greek myths too. Those 206 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:21.799 kind of stories were mostly attributed to the gods though 207 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:24.360 and demigods back then, you know, I mean, you look 208 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:26.799 at Zeus in myth, and he turned into a whole 209 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:29.440 bunch of animals, you know, usually to pick up women. 210 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.840 He had, as Neil Degrass Tyson politely put it, a 211 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.919 complicated social life. But you know, I write in the 212 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:42.120 book about the Viking berserkers. We still use that word today, berserk, 213 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:46.279 And what it really used to refer to were these 214 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:49.919 Viking raiders that were dom wolf pelts, so the skins 215 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:53.879 of wolf that the you know, the heads and the apes, 216 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:57.240 cloaks made of wolfa and then they would go rate 217 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:00.799 these villages and they would just be absolutely savage in 218 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.960 their attacks. And you know, it's believed that some of 219 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.919 our werewolf stories, man wolf tales come from these berserkers 220 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.639 that would just shed blood everywhere. They would be immune 221 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.639 to pain, the attacks would be incredibly savage and beasteel. 222 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:19.120 And it's something that we still see today, you know, 223 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:23.200 we still say so and so went berserk today and 224 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:26.279 that's the origin of the word and as this wolf 225 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:31.200 beast connotation to it. So those werewolf tales and under 226 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:32.480 so much. 227 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:38.600 Talk a little bit if you can, about the effects 228 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:44.759 of becoming awarewolf. What were the circumstances of somebody transforming 229 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.799 into this. I don't know if it's not really a deity, 230 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:51.159 it's more of a monster. 231 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:58.080 Yeah, yeah, I think so. Firstly, a clinical like anthropy 232 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:01.320 is a real condition, and I like to start with that. 233 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:04.559 I'm a medical professional. But to be clear about what 234 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:08.720 that is. That is a psychological belief that one can 235 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.119 turn into a wolf, you know it is It is 236 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:17.200 not an actual literal transformation, but it is being so compulsively, 237 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:20.039 you know, convinced that you can turn into a were wolf, 238 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:22.920 that you believe it and act in that way and 239 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:26.960 may go so far, as you know, attacking biting living people. 240 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:33.920 A lot of myths and old wives tale superstitions surround 241 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.200 the werewolf stories. One is that if you were born 242 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:40.720 on Christmas Day, you were more likely to be a werewolf. Cliff, 243 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:44.759 So if that were true, then that would give us 244 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.200 Annie Lennox from Eurythmics, you know, the singer would be 245 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.400 a were wolf. If we Wigart, the actor would be 246 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.039 a candidate, which I think would have made Casablanca a 247 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:00.480 very different movie. And going even further back, great Sir 248 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.799 Isaac Newton was born on Christmas Day and he sure 249 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:05.519 spent a lot of the time look at moon and 250 00:18:05.559 --> 00:18:08.640 the night sky. So who knows, but you know, there 251 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:11.319 are also claims that if your eyebrows met in the 252 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.880 middle of the unibrow that made you was a possible 253 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:17.799 indicator of being a werewolf, which if that were true, 254 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:22.559 statistically four million people would be were wolves around the 255 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:25.759 globe right now. So those were some of the kind 256 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:28.319 of you know, signs of being a were wolf? How 257 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:32.039 did you become one? You could be cursed by someone 258 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:34.240 who knew what they were doing, so the curse of 259 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:36.319 the werewolf is a common concept, and there have been 260 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:39.319 a few old monster movies along those lines, you know, 261 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:42.519 the Wolf Man, where somebody gets cursed. You could also, 262 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:46.440 of course, be bitten by a werewolf and have it 263 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:50.880 transmitted that way as some kind of presumably bloodborne pathogen. 264 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:57.720 M The moon has a big effect on this condition, 265 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:05.319 this being awarewolf have you documented or I mean, because 266 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:10.000 lunacy is a big one, just general craziness is what 267 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:14.599 they attribute to the moon rise. Yeah, is there any 268 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:19.359 validity to that at all? Not necessarily the werewolf side, but. 269 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:28.680 I so lunacy is also a word we use today. 270 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:31.359 We all know what lunatic means. And the moon has 271 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.480 had this powerful influence in human beings for as long 272 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:36.880 as there have been human beings, and I think it 273 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:39.440 goes back to the earliest days when we used to 274 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:42.799 sit in groups around fires and you know, under the 275 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:45.279 light of the full moon and tell one another's stories. 276 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:48.880 Every culture has had its moon beliefs going as far 277 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:54.200 back as we have recorded information. What kind of fascinates 278 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:56.640 me is that going forward to the modern days. I'm 279 00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:59.119 a nine to one one paramedic for a living cliff, 280 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.680 and our medicine is evidence based, you know. We base 281 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:07.240 our practice upon studies and research and data. That's how 282 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.400 medicine should work. And yet so we are not superstitious 283 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.680 people apart from we all have this belief that on 284 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:20.400 full moon nights we are going to see more nine 285 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:23.240 one one calls and that they're going to be weirder, 286 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:26.880 you know, And so this has been studied. They actually, 287 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:30.559 as you shared with medicine, they actually did big studies 288 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:34.559 and they looked at some major emergency departments during the 289 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:38.279 period of full moon, several consecutive full moons, and they 290 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.440 found that they were no busier. And they did the 291 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.559 same with psychiatric emergency departments too. So do people seem 292 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:49.799 to be acting, acting out, experiencing behavior of emergencies more 293 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:51.839 often during the light of a full moon. You talk 294 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:57.640 to any nurse, doctor, paramedic, pop, firefighter, you know that works, 295 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.960 and we're all the same. We're all like, full moon tonight, 296 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:04.799 here we go. We believe it, but the data tells 297 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:08.039 a different story. Pops are the only ones that really 298 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:12.640 have a claim to this, because crime is generally more 299 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:15.839 prevalent during the full moon, and that's simply because it's 300 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:18.200 a burglar's moon. It gives people who are going to 301 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:21.279 break into cars and houses some more light by which 302 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:26.559 to see. So that's purely a practical practicality. Yeah, there's 303 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:30.359 no evidence at all in twenty first century, you know, 304 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:34.880 North America or anyway that the moon in fact causes 305 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:37.720 people to act out. I've got stories, and I'm willing 306 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:39.960 to bet if you went into any emergency department they 307 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:40.839 tell you stories too. 308 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:48.160 That's pretty funny. As a Paranormal Investigator. You've listed a 309 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.000 few places like Amityville, and some of these horror houses 310 00:21:52.039 --> 00:22:00.839 are possessed locations. Are those blown out of proportion just 311 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:05.960 because of the terrible murders or events, or are they 312 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:12.640 truly areas that have negative energy or energy of spirits 313 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:17.400 that have not crossed over what little we know about 314 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:22.640 the spur world, you know we've made into movies, actually, 315 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:24.319 But what's your feeling on that? 316 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:28.960 I have pretty strong feelings about it, and I should 317 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:31.400 open by saying that Amiteville, which I have written about, 318 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:35.200 I've never been inside that house. Very few people get 319 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:38.960 to It's been a private residence for decades, and it's 320 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:44.160 haunted primarily by public interest. What I mean by that 321 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:47.119 is the owners took out those you know those iconic eyes, 322 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:52.079 the windows, these two windows like eyes. Yeah, they took 323 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:55.759 those out. They had it obscured on Google street View, 324 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:58.720 or because people feel like they have the right to 325 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:02.480 trespass on that property. The real tragedy at Amadeville, we 326 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:05.720 can say for sure, is that a whole family, the 327 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:08.279 DeFeo family, was murdered there in cold blood by one 328 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:12.200 of their own while they slept. That's tragic and it 329 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:16.279 is horrific. The ghost stories have been debated and I 330 00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:19.519 think will be debated forever when you look at the 331 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:23.720 evidence that I have. Ronald de Feo, who committed those 332 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:27.119 murders with a rifle in the house, wrote to a 333 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:31.960 reporter who said and said to him there was only 334 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:37.480 one demon at Amadeville, and that demon was me, meaning himself. Also, 335 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:40.200 there's the fact that no subsequent owners of that house 336 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:45.599 have reported any disturbances of an aaronormal kind whatsoever. Defeo's 337 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.599 lawyer outright came out and said that he cooked up 338 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:50.960 the whole story over a couple of fotles of wine 339 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:53.599 with George and Kathy Lutz, and then they went on 340 00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:56.039 to you know, get a book deal. The author, Jay Amson, 341 00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:59.319 wrote this multimillion dollar best seller, which became a massive 342 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:03.000 movie franchise. There are over fifty Amiteville movies at this point, 343 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:08.200 which is just insane to me. Amadeville in Space, you 344 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:11.400 name it, and it's so and some of them are 345 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:14.680 really fun, but it's so easy to forget that this 346 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.160 whole thing is borne on the back of tragedy and 347 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:19.839 a family that was murdered in cold blood, and so 348 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:22.000 that does not sit well with me, Cliff. Honestly, I 349 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:27.960 think it's been exploited for generation after generation, and we 350 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:30.400 need to remember what really matters in Amiteville, and that 351 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.000 is the loss of those innocent victims. 352 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.799 Wow, fifty spinoffs, that's pretty amazing. I wouldn't have thought 353 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:43.160 that as an investigator. Have you ever been to a 354 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:49.359 location with a rumored either haunting or spirit interaction and 355 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:53.960 felt something was going on? Or is it more made 356 00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:56.960 up by the people, as you say, who were perhaps 357 00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:01.039 once living in the residence, or a rumor to God 358 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:05.759 started and it's just you know, grew from that type 359 00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:07.640 of idea. 360 00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:13.319 Yeah. I've spent thirty years investigating claims of haunted houses, 361 00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:15.519 and if I didn't think there was something to some 362 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.359 of it, I wouldn't be wasting my time, you know, 363 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.119 I'd be spending my weekends like sitting on a beach 364 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:25.519 or something, or at a Denver Broncos game. So I 365 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.200 do think that, yes, you get many cases which are exaggerated, 366 00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:32.440 that are made up for profit for attention, but there 367 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:37.480 is still this core of genuinely inexplicable or apparently inexplicable 368 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.559 phenomena which is taking place, and that is what keeps myself, 369 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:44.680 and I think the majority of other investigators and enthusiasts 370 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:50.640 coming back. The trick is identifying those genuine cases. And 371 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:54.680 you know, kind of you have to pan through a 372 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.920 lot of silt before you get to the gold in 373 00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:59.000 the paranormal field. 374 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:04.039 And so are you saying that most of these claims 375 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:09.200 are rumors and a small percentage or actual hauntings or 376 00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:13.200 paranormal events or what are you suggesting? 377 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:19.359 It's been my experience that about ninety percent of what 378 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:22.720 is believed or claim to be paranormal has, if you 379 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:27.880 look hard enough, an entirely mundane rational explanation, and that 380 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:31.400 about ten percent of it defies or seems to defy 381 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:36.279 easy explanation. So it's like ninety ten in my experience. 382 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:42.200 That's funny because you just give us the Amnyville suggestion. 383 00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:46.400 Is there one that you believe actually crosses over into 384 00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:54.119 the paranormal hardcorese We're looking at some perhaps testing, I 385 00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:57.640 don't know how you guys test to determine that this 386 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:01.440 is coming from a different free can see a different reality, 387 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:05.200 a different dimension. Talk about that. 388 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:10.680 I think that one of the problems we have is 389 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.440 that we all set at our bar for what constitutes 390 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:18.160 evidence in different places. So a good example, a case 391 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:22.759 that I find fascinating is the case of Ronald Huncolor, 392 00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.079 which you probably know as the Exorcist case. It's the 393 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.240 case the movie The Exorcist was based upon. Oh and 394 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:31.480 this was. 395 00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:32.200 A young boy. 396 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.640 Yeah, this was a young boy in Mount Rainier that 397 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:41.359 ended up being exercised over an extended period of time 398 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:46.440 in Saint Louis primarily, and there were multiple witnesses We're 399 00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:50.079 talking about double digits here, multiple witnesses who saw this 400 00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:54.440 boy behave in ways that they genuinely believed he was 401 00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.799