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<v Speaker 1>Right back on the Big One seven hundred WLW twelve

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<v Speaker 1>oh seven. Dan Carroll in for the Great American. Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Cunningham was enjoining some time off, glad to be here

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<v Speaker 1>with you. I am glad you are here as well

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<v Speaker 1>on this black Friday. And man, did I make a

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<v Speaker 1>mistake driving into the station today. I came down two seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I usually sometimes I cut up and I go through

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<v Speaker 1>Newtown and I go through a little bit of Madeira

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<v Speaker 1>in Indian Hill, And this time I came around two

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five down seventy one and Sean McMahon the exit

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get off at Kenwood where the Kenwood Mall

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<v Speaker 1>is backed up all the way to Cross County Highway.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that? I mean the shopping mall craze is

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievable right now. And so I bailed out across county

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<v Speaker 1>and was able to come down Kenwood Road to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get here to the station.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was I saw that traffic back on seventy one,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I might not make it on time.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to I had a call in audible and

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<v Speaker 1>it worked out and got in here and we are

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<v Speaker 1>off and running on the Bill Cunningham Show till two

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<v Speaker 1>thirty this afternoon, and then we're going to have some

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<v Speaker 1>NFL football and that'll be great. So it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a great Friday. And I hope you can stay tuned,

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<v Speaker 1>and I like to hear from you a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>later on five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>won eight hundred, the Big One. But we start with

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<v Speaker 1>a great guest and uh a woman that has a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to be proud of right now. She is the

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<v Speaker 1>co founder of just an awesome group called Moms for Liberty,

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<v Speaker 1>and Tina Dyskovich is my guest on this day after Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>And Tina, thank you so much for being here. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you one of those that you know goes out on

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<v Speaker 1>Black Friday and wants to do all the shopping, looking

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<v Speaker 1>for the bargains and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you texted and asked if I'd come on

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<v Speaker 3>the show, and I was able to say yes, because no,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not one to great.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean if I had, if I had the wager,

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<v Speaker 1>I would not have pegged you as a person that

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<v Speaker 1>goes out on Black Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>So congratulations on that.

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<v Speaker 3>I will say this year, I may or may not

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<v Speaker 3>have gotten online though and bought some things because there's

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<v Speaker 3>just as many deals online and you can do it

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<v Speaker 3>from your couch and your pajamas.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. I like that for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was looking at your social media feed earlier today,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's pasta at your house for Thanksgiving?

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<v Speaker 2>How about that?

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<v Speaker 3>It's all the above at my house for Thanksgiving. But

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<v Speaker 3>my family and my mom's side of the family are Italian,

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<v Speaker 3>and my grandmother when I was little, we used to

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<v Speaker 3>make homeade pasta the night before Thanksgiving and that was

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<v Speaker 3>with the turkey and everything else. The next day we

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<v Speaker 3>we'd cook it. And so my family just carry that

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<v Speaker 3>on at least for three generations. And so my sisters

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<v Speaker 3>and family all come over, my mom and all the kids,

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody's in charge of hand rolling. We don't use

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<v Speaker 3>any mixers or anything pasta.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And you got everyone around the table there and it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like I certainly hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, thank you so much for taking the time

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<v Speaker 1>to talk with me today. Is it just me or

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<v Speaker 1>is it a real thing that I'm feeling right now

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<v Speaker 1>that I think there really is a renewed sense of

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<v Speaker 1>hope and optimism across the country, especially on this Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 1>and as we head into the holiday season.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, even those you know, we're all going to say

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<v Speaker 3>it's because of Donald Trump, and obviously, but even those

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<v Speaker 3>that I have friends that didn't vote for him, they

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<v Speaker 3>left it blank. They didn't vote for Kamala, but they

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<v Speaker 3>left it blank because they were never fans and just

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't get there. They have a renewed sense of hope

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<v Speaker 3>and optimism because even though they weren't necessarily they're not

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<v Speaker 3>fans of him or his personality or things that he's done,

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<v Speaker 3>they are fans of his policies. And so if nothing else,

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<v Speaker 3>you can look at earlier this month, the wins that

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<v Speaker 3>happened as policy wins and as a change in America,

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<v Speaker 3>and America is done with the nonsense, done with the woke.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think most people are optimistic.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. And I I was looking. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you saw the video of the meltdown that

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<v Speaker 1>Joy Reid had, one of the many meltdowns that your

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<v Speaker 1>friend Joy Reid has had since since since election night,

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<v Speaker 1>but she had this one talking about Thanksgiving and and

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<v Speaker 1>and talking about how she just wants the mega people

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<v Speaker 1>to leave her alone. I find it rich that she's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about mega people and saying just leave us alone.

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<v Speaker 1>And and for how many years have we wanted the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government to just leave us alone as conservatives and

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<v Speaker 1>and and people who think differently than than the Washington elitists.

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<v Speaker 1>So is she she was having that meltdown, and she

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<v Speaker 1>was saying about conservatives that you're gonna have to to

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<v Speaker 1>make your own food, make your own sandwiches, do all

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<v Speaker 1>these things for yourself. And I'm thinking, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how how uninformed can you be? Because that is what

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<v Speaker 1>we have been talking about the entire time, is that

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<v Speaker 1>that we are people who want who want to do

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<v Speaker 1>things for ourselves and don't want to have to look

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<v Speaker 1>to the federal government from the womb to the tomb

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<v Speaker 1>as far as assistance goes. When you talk about education

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<v Speaker 1>and money for this and money for that, and housing

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<v Speaker 1>and healthcare and all the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Joy is just like the rest of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate to categorize people, but they live in this bubble.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think we saw it closely when my co

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<v Speaker 3>founder Tiffany went on the Joy Read Show, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a moment where Joy says to Tiffany, well, what

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<v Speaker 3>about this that you said on Steve Bannon? And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Tiffy and I talked about it later, and at that moment,

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<v Speaker 3>I was watching live and she was obviously sitting there,

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<v Speaker 3>and we both are kind of thinking, oh boy, what

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<v Speaker 3>what is she going to pull up from Steve Bannon?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, because you're starting to prepare how to answer, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And what she pulled up was Tiffany saying that parents

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<v Speaker 3>have the fundamental right to direct the upbringing of their children.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean it was almost perplexing, like do you

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<v Speaker 3>disagree with this?

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<v Speaker 4>Joy?

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<v Speaker 3>They live in such a bubble that just ordinary things

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<v Speaker 3>that every American thinks and believes is not something they

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<v Speaker 3>even can understand or relate to. And so of course

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<v Speaker 3>she's going on a rant. Of course she's upset.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like her.

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<v Speaker 3>Reality is set in and she still doesn't quite understand

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<v Speaker 3>that she's not the only one. Unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, tell me what is next for moms for liberty.

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<v Speaker 1>Your group has accomplished so much in such a short

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<v Speaker 1>span of time and have so many issues that you

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<v Speaker 1>like to think are going to be addressed, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>things will get resolved and people will start thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>some of these things in a different sort of way, especially,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the biggest issue is parental rights and

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of things that our kids are exposed to,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in public schools. But let's say let's say you

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<v Speaker 1>accomplished some of these things, then what would be next

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<v Speaker 1>for Moms for Liberty.

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<v Speaker 3>So Moms for Liberty, you know, our mission is to

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<v Speaker 3>defend punch rights at the levels of government, but we

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<v Speaker 3>really work at the most local level with school boards

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<v Speaker 3>and we have we're proud of our three hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty chapters and forty eight states, but there are three

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<v Speaker 3>thousand counties in this country, and so we have a

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<v Speaker 3>long way to go. There's thirteen thousands districts, and there

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<v Speaker 3>should be a mom's really really member, a minimum of

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<v Speaker 3>one at every one of those school board meetings, looking

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<v Speaker 3>at the agenda, seeing what's going on. I served on

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<v Speaker 3>a school board for four years and I can tell

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<v Speaker 3>you every single school board agenda has something concerning on it.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's no checks on public education local school boards.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the teachers unions, they've they've elected the people

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<v Speaker 3>on the board for the most part, and then there's

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<v Speaker 3>just no one checking to see what they're doing community

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<v Speaker 3>trusts them because it's their local school, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you want to like them, and you think it is

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<v Speaker 3>what it was when you were a kid. So I know,

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<v Speaker 3>we have a lot of wins. We've accomplished so much.

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<v Speaker 3>We have, you know, hundreds of people sitting on school

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<v Speaker 3>boards now four hundred and twenty five sitting on school boards,

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<v Speaker 3>and are mom's really remembers, But there's thirteen thousand school boards,

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<v Speaker 3>and so we just have a we have a long

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<v Speaker 3>way to go. There's so much work to do. And yes,

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump has been elected and yes he you know,

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like they're going to dismantle the US Department of Education.

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<v Speaker 3>But even more so than everything is returned to the

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<v Speaker 3>state and local, we have to be involved in engaged

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<v Speaker 3>with along way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think the one thing that we've learned over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, and the one thing that Rush Limball talked

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<v Speaker 1>about all the time, is that the left and the

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<v Speaker 1>liberals do not quit. There may be a time why

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<v Speaker 1>when they fall back or they're not pressing the issues

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<v Speaker 1>do is they do not quit. They take the long view.

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<v Speaker 1>So right now I think we're in a period of

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<v Speaker 1>them regrouping, and they'll be coming back before we know it.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you look at I think one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things late in the campaign that helped get Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>across the not across the finish line, but make his

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<v Speaker 1>electoral win as big as it was was Mark Cuban.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Mark Cuban came out with this idiotic notion

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<v Speaker 1>that Donald Trump doesn't like to surround himself with strong,

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<v Speaker 1>powerful women. I look at the list of the people

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<v Speaker 1>that he has nominated for important positions in his cabinet,

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<v Speaker 1>starting with Chief of Staff Susie Weiss, and then you've

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<v Speaker 1>got Caroline Levitt, who was an amazing young person who's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be great, I think, is White House Press secretary.

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<v Speaker 1>And you go down the list, You've got Taulci Gabbard

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<v Speaker 1>on there, You've got Christy nome on there, always Staphonic,

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<v Speaker 1>and the list goes on and on. I know you're

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<v Speaker 1>not one hundred percent on board with each and every

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<v Speaker 1>pick that Trump has made, but give me an overall

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<v Speaker 1>great as far as the number of women and the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of women that Trump is going to surround himself with.

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<v Speaker 1>As he gets ready to take a step in again

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<v Speaker 1>to the Oval Office, yeah, he is not.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not picking what is the wallflowers or wilted will,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever the name is, for women that will just shy

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<v Speaker 3>away and do what they're told to do. That is

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<v Speaker 3>not the kind of women that are around Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>He appreciates strong women. He appreciates strong personalities. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why people on the lap Mark Cuban and others,

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't even know where they get their information from.

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<v Speaker 3>If you look at the appointments you just listed the names,

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<v Speaker 3>those are all strong women, very successful in their own right.

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<v Speaker 3>Catherine Lovett, like you said, I mean she gave birth

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<v Speaker 3>well on the campaign trial. I think she took a

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we love Linda McMahon and so we can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>Have you been following very much the story of San

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Title Mine for us is I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>And these women's sports teams that are starting to forfeit

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<v Speaker 3>their games, championship games over this issue, they deserve a

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<v Speaker 3>medal just for that. They're giving up their dreams that

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because Boise State was in the semi final match

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<v Speaker 1>already been one coach who's fired because she dared to

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<v Speaker 1>very uncomfortable with this. It wasn't good for them. But

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<v Speaker 1>yet this individual is putting his or her own individual

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<v Speaker 1>that above the importance of the team. When the women

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side, the ones who who have a

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I blame the people around the transgender student

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<v Speaker 3>that are continuing to affirm and support because clearly the

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<v Speaker 3>And there's enough people around the transgender students that keep

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<v Speaker 3>telling him that she's a her and it's okay. They're

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<v Speaker 3>and they are they're not helping fix the problem. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>a If you've heard about Peyton McNabb there in North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 2>I did read about that, yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean she's his lifelong now paralyzation on part

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<v Speaker 3>many young girls, you know, besides the point that you're

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<v Speaker 3>in changing with a with a male like, they're physically

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<v Speaker 3>for scholarships in their future. It couldn't be more wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>And so everyone that's surrounding this young person telling him

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I see and I see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Even when the Leah Thomas thing was happening in swimming,

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<v Speaker 1>of leadership on behalf of the NCAAA, the NCAA. And

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<v Speaker 1>up and said, you know, we were going to have

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<v Speaker 1>a clear cut policy on this. We can't allow this

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<v Speaker 3>Failed leadership. Yeah, that's whenever we suffer in this country,

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<v Speaker 3>tide has turned, it's working its way out. But how

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<v Speaker 3>many people have to be heart how many people have

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<v Speaker 3>or opportunities. But you know, they're standing in the right

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<v Speaker 3>spot now, they're standing out their history and I'm proud

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they're getting help from Riley Gaines along the way.

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<v Speaker 1>And she has been an absolute amazing leader on this

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<v Speaker 1>and turned her experience with this issue into do you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a force to be reckoned with? And I

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<v Speaker 1>really think she is. But Tina Daskovic Moms for Liberty,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what. Yeah, you guys continue to do

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, you women, you and your group continue to

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<v Speaker 1>I follow along from here in Cincinnati what you do

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<v Speaker 1>and I love having you on the show. And Tina

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<v Speaker 1>Justice or not Tina Justice, but then the other justice

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<v Speaker 1>in but Tiffany Justice. Now you're you're Tina, she's Devin.

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<v Speaker 1>But I appreciate the time that you guys give me

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<v Speaker 1>to me. And just congratulations on everything you've accomplished so far.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm glad to.

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<v Speaker 1>Hear you've got a lot more work to do because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to keep following along and hopefully have you

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<v Speaker 2>Can I say one more thing, please.

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<v Speaker 3>Do oh Ohio twenty twenty five school board elections. So

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<v Speaker 3>if you are thinking about running for school board considering it,

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<v Speaker 1>That is great advice. And with that, Tina Discovihich, thanks again.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you had a great Thanksgiving and we'll look

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, there you go, Tino Discovic.

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<v Speaker 1>Moms for Liberty and one of my absolute favorite organizations

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Twelve twenty five we got to get to

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump put out his Thanksgiving message that reads this

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<v Speaker 1>for having survived. It would be the leadership of William

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<v Speaker 1>Bradford whose common sense and inspirational guidance would deliver the

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<v Speaker 1>pilgrims from the ills of socialism to a healthy culture

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<v Speaker 1>of economic freedom based upon individual property rights. Governor Bradford

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<v Speaker 1>planted the seats of freedom and justice for all that

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<v Speaker 1>would bear fruit not only in his lifetime, but into

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<v Speaker 1>the future as well. During the First Thanksgiving, gratitudes towards God,

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<v Speaker 1>our gratitude towards Governor Bradford would have been running high

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<v Speaker 1>for his leadership, But there would be trouble in Paradise

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<v Speaker 1>in the not too distant future, as the initial excitement

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<v Speaker 1>of working communally would soon wear off. The reason for

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<v Speaker 1>this was that the Plymouth colony bore many resemblances to

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<v Speaker 1>a socialist society. Everything was owned by every colonist jointly.

436
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<v Speaker 1>No one was allowed to own private land. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>the industrious were forced to subsidize the slackers. In sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one and sixteen twenty two, the problem is eventually

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<v Speaker 1>created for the Pilgrims had long ago been described by Aristotle,

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<v Speaker 1>who had defended the institution of private property, arguing that

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<v Speaker 1>it encourages responsible stewardship and provides incentives for individuals to

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<v Speaker 1>work hard and contribute to society. And indeed, greater abundance

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<v Speaker 1>did result once the Pilgrims abandoned socialism and privatized the

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<v Speaker 1>Plymouth economy. Not long after Bradford had distributed private property

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<v Speaker 1>each family, he noticed a dramatic difference in the colonist's behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wrote in one of his journals, it made

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<v Speaker 1>all hands very industrious, as so as much more corn

448
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<v Speaker 1>was planted than otherwise would have been by any means

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<v Speaker 1>the governor or any other could use, and saved him

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<v Speaker 1>a great deal of trouble and gave far better content.

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<v Speaker 1>The women now went willingly into the field and took

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<v Speaker 1>their little ones with them to set corn, which before

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<v Speaker 1>would have alleged weakness and inability, whom to have compelled

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<v Speaker 1>would have been thought great tyranny and oppression. So you

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<v Speaker 1>understand what he's saying there, right. Once these people had

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<v Speaker 1>a stake in the outcome, well, they went to work.

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<v Speaker 1>The women who before would have said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>but I really don't have the ability to go into

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<v Speaker 1>the field, or those who really didn't want to work

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<v Speaker 1>so much. Now that they knew that there was something

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<v Speaker 1>of benefit to them, they willingly went into the field

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<v Speaker 1>to work, whereas before they could have said, you know what,

463
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<v Speaker 1>I'm too weak, I'm too old, you know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>physically able. They were going to get the same amount

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<v Speaker 1>of food that everyone else got, whether they worked or not.

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<v Speaker 1>In order to justify property rights biblically, the Pilgrims turned

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<v Speaker 1>to the teachings of Reverend John Cotton, who invoked the

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<v Speaker 1>Genesis story of Abraham. When Abraham had been stopped from

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<v Speaker 1>using a well that he had dug, he appealed to

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<v Speaker 1>the Philistine king, claiming that he had the right to

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<v Speaker 1>draw water because he was the person who had sunk

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<v Speaker 1>the well. Abraham also made a specific claim of individual

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<v Speaker 1>ownership based on his own industry and culture in digging

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<v Speaker 1>the well. This meant there was biblical proof of the

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<v Speaker 1>individual right to own land and property that depended on

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<v Speaker 1>one's effort and not upon the grant of some arbitrary privilege.

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<v Speaker 1>The new private economy became self regulating, since those who

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<v Speaker 1>were the heads of the land owning families became motivated

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<v Speaker 1>to urge an industrious work ethic. Contrary to communalism, the

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<v Speaker 1>fruits of private labor benefited the laborers directly, so the

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<v Speaker 1>incentive to work and work harder came about naturally without

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<v Speaker 1>the need of external coercion or control. According to Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Bethel of the Hoover Institute, this division of property established

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<v Speaker 1>a proportion or ratio between act and consequences. Human action

485
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<v Speaker 1>is deprived of rationality without it, and will work and

486
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<v Speaker 1>work will decline sharply.

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<v Speaker 2>As a result, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Economic conditions improved, and during the month of July and

489
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<v Speaker 1>August of sixteen twenty three, the sailing ships Annie and

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<v Speaker 1>Little James arrived at Plymouth with one hundred new colonists.

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<v Speaker 1>In September that same year, Edward Winslow left aboard the

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<v Speaker 1>Annie to sell timber infers and report to the colonies investors.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in England, it was a grateful community of Pilgrims

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<v Speaker 1>in full recognition and full recognition of the blessings being

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<v Speaker 1>reaped because of the new economic system, who held their

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<v Speaker 1>second Thanksgiving celebration in sixteen twenty three to mark the

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<v Speaker 1>end of a long drought that had threatened the year's

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<v Speaker 1>harvest and prompted Governor Bradford to call for a religious fast,

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<v Speaker 1>For it was not only the cessation of physical drought

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<v Speaker 1>conditions that helped the Pilgrims prosper, but the cessation of

501
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<v Speaker 1>the spiritual drought brought by the rank unfairness of their

502
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<v Speaker 1>former collectivist system, as well a socialist philosophy that could

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<v Speaker 1>always be counted on to dry up human productivity. Such

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<v Speaker 1>days of religious fasting and Thanksgiving feasting would continue into

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<v Speaker 1>the future on an annual occasion basis. Other than New England,

506
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<v Speaker 1>other colonies would soon follow suit. Governor Bradford's legacy of

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<v Speaker 1>freedom and abundance would endure for hundreds of years, and

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<v Speaker 1>its continuance would be assured upon the election of Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump on November fifth, twenty twenty four. A non consecutive

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<v Speaker 1>second term as President of the United States. Trump has

511
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<v Speaker 1>promised in his State of the Union address in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>America will never be a socialist country, and this would

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<v Speaker 1>be the theme of the twenty twenty four presidential campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>His reelection meant there would be no return to the

515
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<v Speaker 1>deadly collectivist philosophy of the early days at Plymouth. God

516
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<v Speaker 1>blessed the freedom loving legacy of William Bradford, and to

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<v Speaker 1>those who honor and support it, Happy Thanksgiving. So that

518
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<v Speaker 1>was the piece that was written an American thinker by

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Dowling. And so you understand what happened in Plymouth

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<v Speaker 1>during those early years. They had socialism everyone. And look

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<v Speaker 1>on the face of it, it sounds like a great idea,

522
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't it. Everyone, everyone in the community owns the means

523
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<v Speaker 1>to production. Right in this case, it's the farming fields.

524
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<v Speaker 1>It's going out hunting and trapping and doing all those things.

525
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<v Speaker 1>And whether you work or not, you get the same

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<v Speaker 1>as everybody else. And you see how that destroys incentive.

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<v Speaker 1>You see how humans deal with that. You've got some

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<v Speaker 1>people who are going to go out and work very,

529
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<v Speaker 1>very hard, and because as we all know, it's hard work,

530
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<v Speaker 1>hard work, making something out of nothing. And that's what

531
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<v Speaker 1>the giving thanks is all about, to about enjoying the

532
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<v Speaker 1>fruits of your labor. Oh, but it's not the same

533
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<v Speaker 1>for everyone. Well, think about what we've been listening to

534
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and been told by the left for so long in

535
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<v Speaker 1>this country, and all this nonsense about diversity, equity, and inclusion.

536
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<v Speaker 2>Well, people don't all have the same.

537
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<v Speaker 1>We want the same for everyone when it comes to education,

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to I've never understood this notion about

539
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<v Speaker 1>the distribution of wealth, as if there's some person or

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<v Speaker 1>some committee that decides X number of dollars are going

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<v Speaker 1>to go to this city, and X numbers of dollars

542
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<v Speaker 1>is going to go to this neighborhood, an X number

543
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<v Speaker 1>of dollars is going to go to this county or

544
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<v Speaker 1>this region, the distribution of wealth. Look, I know there's

545
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<v Speaker 1>unfairness in the world. I know the bad things happen

546
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<v Speaker 1>to good people and all the rest of it. But

547
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<v Speaker 1>by and large, you are a product. Pretty much you

548
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<v Speaker 1>reap what you sell, by and large, and that's what

549
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<v Speaker 1>That's the lesson that the Pilgrims had to learn on

550
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<v Speaker 1>that first Thanksgiving or the subsequent Thanksgivings after the first one,

551
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<v Speaker 1>the communal process was not working. There was people starved

552
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<v Speaker 1>to death because there just wasn't enough to go around.

553
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<v Speaker 1>But when you put that incentive in there that you

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<v Speaker 1>grow out and you grow your own corn, and then

555
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<v Speaker 1>you can do what you can sell the corn that

556
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<v Speaker 1>you don't need, you can sell the surplus. And who

557
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<v Speaker 1>benefits from that?

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<v Speaker 2>Will you do?

559
00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>And your family does? And that's the incentive right there.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's good stuff. I mean that that's the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that Rush Limball used to talk about every Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, I was very happy to to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>that every year and then sort of do the same

564
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<v Speaker 1>thing when it's my turn to be on around Thanksgiving. Five, three, seven,

565
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<v Speaker 1>the big one. Those of the numbers to call if

566
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<v Speaker 1>you want to jump on board. The Federal List has

567
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<v Speaker 1>put out a great list of things to be grateful

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<v Speaker 1>for after the historic win. And it was Graham Hilliard

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<v Speaker 1>who put the list together. And let's see, here's the

570
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<v Speaker 1>list right here. Coalition a married, working class, religious, suburban,

571
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<v Speaker 1>ex urban and rural voters stood up for the America

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<v Speaker 1>they remember, which isn't quite lost. So we should be

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for that and It's amazing now that we are

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<v Speaker 1>at post election seeing all the breakdowns of all the

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<v Speaker 1>areas where Trump got more votes, more support from different

576
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<v Speaker 1>groups of people that may not have supported him in

577
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<v Speaker 1>the numbers they did in the past. And it really

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<v Speaker 1>is a great political story. And of this, I am

579
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<v Speaker 1>sure books are going to be written and we will

580
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<v Speaker 1>have that piece of history to rely on as we

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<v Speaker 1>move forward. Black and brown citizens flocked the Trump, there

582
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<v Speaker 1>by putting to bed the idiotic smear that Mega is

583
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<v Speaker 1>a white movement. Americans rejected the near decade of lawfare,

584
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<v Speaker 1>fake dossier saw soft coups, and conspiracy theories. Democrats have

585
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<v Speaker 1>been punished for ignoring their voters, deep sixing their duly

586
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<v Speaker 1>chosen nominee Joe Biden, and installing in his place a

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<v Speaker 1>world historically stupid diversity higher and I think that has

588
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<v Speaker 1>been laid bare by this video that Kamala Harris put

589
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<v Speaker 1>out earlier this week, where she's trying to maintain her

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<v Speaker 1>political liability, telling her advisors, look, you got to keep

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<v Speaker 1>me around for the next election cycle. And then one

592
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<v Speaker 1>of the most horrific things I've seen is about Hillary Clinton.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently Hillary Clinton is showing some signs that she

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<v Speaker 1>may try and run again. You can't make this up.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see, let's see if I can find this here.

596
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<v Speaker 1>Could Vice President elect JD Vance have crooked Hillary Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>as his Democrat opponent in twenty twenty eight, assuming he

598
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<v Speaker 1>launches his presidential campaign in a few years. A press

599
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<v Speaker 1>release has gone viral that's raising eyebrows online. Clinton sparked

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<v Speaker 1>presidential campaign speculation with an announcement that she and Bill

601
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<v Speaker 1>would speak at the Clinton Presidential Center to markets twentieth anniversary.

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<v Speaker 1>The event will include remarks for her and Bill regarding

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<v Speaker 1>either years of drifting off the public policy and from

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<v Speaker 1>a philanthropic standpoint. So that's another question. Would you pay

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<v Speaker 1>money to go see a speech from Bill and Hillary Clinton?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess there's people that still would who think that

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<v Speaker 1>that is some sort of a great thing. But here

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<v Speaker 1>we are, just days after the twenty twenty four election,

609
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<v Speaker 1>and the rumors about Hillary possibly running again in twenty

610
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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight are already starting to circulate out there. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>hope that's wait. Let's hope that's not the case. Although

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<v Speaker 1>it would be, it would be a spectacle, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be something to watch, much like this last election cycle,

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<v Speaker 1>was fun to watch, but yeah, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about that right now. Let's see a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of what the Trump administration is going to look like

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<v Speaker 1>before we start thinking about twenty twenty eight. At least

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do that and maybe the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>you can do that as well. Twelve fifty five, we

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<v Speaker 1>got to get to a break news coming up top

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<v Speaker 1>of the hour. Then Dave Hatter will join us and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have a little conversation with Dave about different things

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<v Speaker 1>as we roll on till two thirty this afternoon. Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Carroll in for Bill Cunningham on seven hundred WLW, Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Ty on the Big One, seven hundred WLW one oh seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Carolyn for Bill Cunningham.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things I am thankful.

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<v Speaker 1>That I am thankful for, not just around Thanksgiving time,

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<v Speaker 1>not just around holiday time, but really all year long,

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<v Speaker 1>is that I've known this guy for a long time

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<v Speaker 1>and whenever I call him and ask him to be

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<v Speaker 1>on the show, he never hesitates and says, when do

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<v Speaker 1>you need me? And here he is again today, the

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<v Speaker 1>one and only Dave Hatter. Dave Hatter, how are you

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<v Speaker 1>doing today? Happy Thanksgiving? I hope you and the family

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<v Speaker 1>had a.

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<v Speaker 4>Great one, Happy Thanksgiving and your family, Daniel, we did.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know what I'm doing now, I'm watching In

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<v Speaker 4>Like Flint.

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<v Speaker 2>In Like Flint, I do remember that movie classic.

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<v Speaker 4>Clearly they stole most of the autome powers something. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a class.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you know, there's really nothing new in Hollywood anymore.

644
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.280
<v Speaker 1>It's all it's all you know, half baked and remade

645
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<v Speaker 1>and and all the rest of it. And they steal ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen so many movies where you know, it's different actors,

647
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<v Speaker 1>different title, different movie, but yet the plot is the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same of a movie that I've seen before. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it's impossible for them to come up with

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<v Speaker 1>something new.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think you're right, And I mean yeah, even

652
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<v Speaker 4>the phone sound. Go back and watch In Like Flint

653
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<v Speaker 4>and then want to toss the powers to phone sound.

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<v Speaker 4>So the Austin soon like when he gets the phone calls, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>directly from this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that? Let me ask you a question, is

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<v Speaker 1>it just me or does it seem like we're in

658
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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a lull right now when it

659
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<v Speaker 1>comes to high tech innovations. It just seems like recently

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen anything that it's new, anything that's kind

661
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<v Speaker 1>of whiz bang, like, g golly, look at this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a high tech something that's blowing your doors off.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe I missed it, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we in a little bit of a lull right

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<v Speaker 1>now when it comes to, you know, whatever the next

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<v Speaker 1>big thing in high tech is, well, you know, we're.

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<v Speaker 4>Coming off the hype of the AI thing. There. For

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<v Speaker 4>a while, you couldn't you couldn't have a conversation about

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<v Speaker 4>anything that didn't involve AII. And now a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>the folks that are working in the industry, I think

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<v Speaker 4>they're starting to say that, yeah, you know, the large

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<v Speaker 4>language model is the power. The generative AI products like chat,

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<v Speaker 4>GPT and Microsoft Copile or excess CROC are not sentient beings.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not going to get us to general AI, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>AI that is equally capable or more capable than a

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<v Speaker 4>human being at any given task. Because most of the

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<v Speaker 4>stuff that's out there now it's purpose built, it's designed

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<v Speaker 4>to do a specific type of thing. And while you

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<v Speaker 4>could do some very interesting things with some of these

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<v Speaker 4>generative AI tools, uh, you know, a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 4>are predicting they've kind of kind of hit the peak now,

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<v Speaker 4>and it seems like the bloom is off the roads there. Uh, quantity,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if you're in the business, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of talk about quantity peating. But yeah, I'm with you

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<v Speaker 4>right now, it seems like we're kind of hit. We've

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<v Speaker 4>kind of hit a place where a lot of the

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<v Speaker 4>hype around AI has worn off. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>are being that while I have some potential, uh, it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's probably not going to you know, in the next

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<v Speaker 4>couple of years. Put everyone on street terminators aren't going

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<v Speaker 4>to drop out of the sky or anything like some

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<v Speaker 4>of the more hyperbolic predictions that we heard as recently

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<v Speaker 4>as you know, a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe a plateau more than a law and where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, where things are not accelerating so fast, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that gives the rest of us a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>catch up. And I'm glad you brought up AI because

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<v Speaker 1>I got a couple of things I want to I

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<v Speaker 1>want to bring up to you. One and one is

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<v Speaker 1>the one where you have the AI Grandma's talking to

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<v Speaker 1>the other the other chat pots to tie up there

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<v Speaker 1>to tie I think that is pure genius. But let

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<v Speaker 1>me but before we get to that one. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>I came across this today on my on my social

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<v Speaker 1>media feed, and this individual writes out talking to chat

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<v Speaker 1>GPT forty, okay, chat GPT forty and she says, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>chat GPT, look under there. And the response from the

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<v Speaker 1>chat GPT is underwear and she says, l O L

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<v Speaker 1>made you say underwear. Then the the AI comes back

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<v Speaker 1>with haha, well played, say home and she and she

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<v Speaker 1>responds home AI responds with geographic coordinates of her home.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that is to me a little creepy, a little unsettling,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit disconcerting, if you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I get it. And you may have seen another

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<v Speaker 4>headline recently that a high scorer was working with Google's

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<v Speaker 4>Jim and I AI and basically said something like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you're a worthless scum and you should die or something

718
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.760
<v Speaker 4>to that effect. I'm paraphrasing, but you know it came

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<v Speaker 4>back with something that was less and less than cool

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<v Speaker 4>for sure. And while in theory, you know, these products

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<v Speaker 4>all have these guardrails built in. You know, there's a

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<v Speaker 4>whole sort of cottage industry that's popped up around something

723
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<v Speaker 4>that is jail breaking. The idea that you can make

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<v Speaker 4>these products do things and tell you things that they're

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<v Speaker 4>specifically designed not to do, like you know, how to

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<v Speaker 4>make a bomb or something like that. Right, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>again it just goes to show you. While I think

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<v Speaker 4>there's plenty of upsides and these tools do have a

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<v Speaker 4>place where they can make you a lot more productive

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<v Speaker 4>once you understand how to use them, how to write

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<v Speaker 4>the right prompts, and understand what they're good at and

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<v Speaker 4>what they're not going at. Again, a lot of you see,

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<v Speaker 4>they still have a lot of problems that The big

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<v Speaker 4>reason why I think the bloomsolved to a certain extent

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<v Speaker 4>is despite advances in the technology, it feels like they've

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<v Speaker 4>hit a plat exponential weeks and capabilities. And also they

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<v Speaker 4>still have there's still have this problem with hallucination when

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<v Speaker 4>you can't trust what it tells you is accurate. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if you use these things enough times, you'll

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<v Speaker 4>eventually get an answer where it just literally makes something

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<v Speaker 4>up and will then confidently try to tell you what

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<v Speaker 4>it's telling you is true even though it's demonstrably false.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's to me, that's the real big problem is

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<v Speaker 4>I don't ever try to use something like cat GPT

745
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<v Speaker 4>or Rock. I personally prefer Rock, which is X's AI.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's generally it tends to be much more humorous.

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<v Speaker 4>It's when you can't trust it to give you an

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<v Speaker 4>answer and you have to go do your own research, Well,

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<v Speaker 4>what good is it? Because you know, while it can

750
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<v Speaker 4>write a lot of pros very quickly, and that's one

751
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<v Speaker 4>of the ways I think it's handy, it's their lack

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<v Speaker 4>of trust. And what I was starting to say before

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<v Speaker 4>Dan is I would never ever, this has been the

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<v Speaker 4>advice I've been giving people for a long time. I

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<v Speaker 4>would never use one of these tools to do research

756
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<v Speaker 4>on something I don't know anything about, because if I

757
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<v Speaker 4>don't know anything about it, I can't. I can't trust

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<v Speaker 4>the result. Right. If I know at least something about it,

759
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<v Speaker 4>I can kind of gauge, well, does this team right?

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<v Speaker 4>Is this accurate? Can I trust this? Can I use this?

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<v Speaker 4>Versus if it's topic I don't know anything about unless

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<v Speaker 4>I go do a whole lot of research. Anyway, I

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<v Speaker 4>can't trust the results. And that's why I think so

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<v Speaker 4>many folks have started to lose interest and lose faith

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<v Speaker 4>in these things at this point because of the hallucination problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but when I see something like this where you've

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<v Speaker 1>got chat GPT responds with the with the geographic coordinates

768
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<v Speaker 1>of your home, that to me reveals a little bit

769
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<v Speaker 1>of a mean streak. It reveals something that seems threatening.

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<v Speaker 1>It reveals something, And I thought that the whole the

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<v Speaker 1>people who brought us all this artificial intelligence assured us

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<v Speaker 1>that the GP GPI. But these AI programs, they see

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<v Speaker 1>humans as not a threat. They see human you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they are here to help us get from point A

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<v Speaker 1>to point B, whatever those points may be. So it

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<v Speaker 1>is this revealing of something undesirable that we as human

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<v Speaker 1>beings need to watch out for with as far as

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<v Speaker 1>using this stuff is.

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<v Speaker 4>Concerned, well, I think you know, again, I don't believe. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what's in a lab somewhere, damn you know.

781
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:20.960
<v Speaker 4>I only know what's available to the public out there.

782
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.519
<v Speaker 4>But I don't believe these large language models are anything

783
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<v Speaker 4>close to artificial general intelligence, which is sort of a

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<v Speaker 4>catchall term again for this idea that you're eventually going

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<v Speaker 4>to get to a place where the machines are equally

786
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<v Speaker 4>as good as or better than human beings at any task.

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<v Speaker 4>Pick any task, and it could do it as good

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<v Speaker 4>or better than me or you. You know, there are

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<v Speaker 4>people working on that. There's a lot of speculation about that.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of Wilman people in the business out

791
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<v Speaker 4>there predicting when that would come. And then then you

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<v Speaker 4>get into the idea of super intelligence, the idea that

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<v Speaker 4>once you reach general intelligence, the machines themselves would be

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<v Speaker 4>able to improve themselves at a rate that would be

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<v Speaker 4>far beyond anything in the beings to do, and you'd

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<v Speaker 4>eventually get to a place where you'd hit super intelligence.

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<v Speaker 4>They're more you know that the AI is more capable

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<v Speaker 4>than all human beings put together. There's a really interesting

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<v Speaker 4>book about that called super Intelligence, written by a guy

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<v Speaker 4>named Nick Bosser. If people are interested in this topic,

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<v Speaker 4>I encourage that you check it out. He doesn't make

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<v Speaker 4>any particular predictions. He just lays out a bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>different ways this could play out. Some of them are

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<v Speaker 4>pretty terrifying, especially if you get back to your point Dan,

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<v Speaker 4>then you know, if these products, for lack of a

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<v Speaker 4>better description, aren't designed with the ultimate goal, kind of

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<v Speaker 4>going back to Asimov's three rules of robotics, right that

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<v Speaker 4>you know you can't do harm to human beings. If

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<v Speaker 4>that's not built into it, and you get to a

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<v Speaker 4>place where you do reach super intelligence, well and all

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<v Speaker 4>bets are off, you don't really know what's going to happen. Now. Again,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not trying to scare people, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>we're close to that personally. But I also don't know

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<v Speaker 4>what the NSA has in some lab somewhere or what

815
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<v Speaker 4>you know, the Chinese Communist Party has in some lab somewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>But I do think what we're currently experiencing is nowhere

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<v Speaker 4>close to that potential. But you do get some glimpses

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<v Speaker 4>into the potential downside of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when I see stuff like this, I think, oh, man,

820
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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I robot is right around the corner

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<v Speaker 1>and right the you know the Will Smith movie where

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<v Speaker 1>the robots go crazy and yeah, they want to wipe

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<v Speaker 1>out the movie.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you seen Musk just posted on Twitter the other

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<v Speaker 4>day his optimist robot catching a ball. It's pretty wild robot.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not see that one.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of the robotic stuff you see, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not that impressive. You know, we've had robots in

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<v Speaker 4>the industrial setting for a long time. Right, But and

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<v Speaker 4>again I also think you've got to take some of

831
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<v Speaker 4>this stuff with a grain of salt, because we eventually,

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<v Speaker 4>in many cases find out the stuff that's shown on

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<v Speaker 4>video clips isn't real or it's been enhanced somehow. But

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<v Speaker 4>it just shows an optimus robots standing there and someone

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<v Speaker 4>throwing a tennis ball to it and it catches it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, Okay, you know that if that's real, and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have any reason to believe that it's not,

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<v Speaker 4>But if that's real, that's a pretty impressive uh amount

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<v Speaker 4>of progress there at what it would take, yeah, for

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<v Speaker 4>a machine to be able to watch something flying through

841
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.760
<v Speaker 4>the air on a given trajectory and give it to

842
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:10.559
<v Speaker 4>reach out and grab it and hold on to it.

843
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:13.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's it's pretty wild. So and you know,

844
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:17.239
<v Speaker 4>right now you've got robotic, you've got AI. Eventually, of

845
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.800
<v Speaker 4>course they will blend right not that that isn't happening already.

846
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.719
<v Speaker 4>And that's where some of this, to me gets more scary,

847
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.880
<v Speaker 4>because right now the AI itself generally doesn't have any

848
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.239
<v Speaker 4>sort of agency in the real world. It can't do anything.

849
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.639
<v Speaker 4>Yet I could send you a message that says humans

850
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:33.599
<v Speaker 4>are scumb and you should be wiped out or whatever.

851
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.480
<v Speaker 4>But it can't actually do that right when you couple

852
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.840
<v Speaker 4>it with some sort of Android type device that now

853
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:43.840
<v Speaker 4>has arms and legs and physical agency, drones, whatever you

854
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:46.320
<v Speaker 4>want to whatever you want to consider, you know how

855
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:48.280
<v Speaker 4>you would give it some sort of physical agency in

856
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:50.800
<v Speaker 4>the world. That's where it gets a lot more scarier.

857
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:54.760
<v Speaker 4>Like if you samn't seen the robotic flamethrower dog, that's

858
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:56.679
<v Speaker 4>a little scary. I wouldn't really want to have to

859
00:46:56.719 --> 00:47:00.280
<v Speaker 4>tangle with an AI powered robotic.

860
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:02.599
<v Speaker 1>I was hoping you give me one of the I

861
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:04.079
<v Speaker 1>was hoping you give me one of those for Christmas.

862
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:05.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, we we I'd like to have one of

863
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:07.880
<v Speaker 1>those around the house. Let me let me ask you this.

864
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I just saw a a piece about all the high

865
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:14.280
<v Speaker 1>tech gifts that are out there. If Dave hat Her

866
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:18.360
<v Speaker 1>is shopping for someone that you really really like, maybe

867
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.599
<v Speaker 1>maybe a family member, a loved one, or a good friend,

868
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.239
<v Speaker 1>and you're looking at a high tech, high tech gift

869
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:27.239
<v Speaker 1>to get that friend, what would Dave Hanner be looking at?

870
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.559
<v Speaker 1>And then conversely, if someone is shopping for Dave hat Her,

871
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.719
<v Speaker 1>what kind of high tech thing would you be interested

872
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:35.920
<v Speaker 1>in finding under the tree on Christmas?

873
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.639
<v Speaker 4>Morning. Well, Dan, that's a really good question because you know,

874
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.880
<v Speaker 4>except for possibly my worst enemies, I'm not buying anyone

875
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 4>any of these high tech gifts because they're mostly privacy

876
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.960
<v Speaker 4>and security dumpster fire and you know, the worst sort

877
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 4>of garbage that's being shipped to you from China that's

878
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.400
<v Speaker 4>basically surveillance devices, you know. So yeah, I don't I

879
00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:57.800
<v Speaker 4>don't want.

880
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.719
<v Speaker 1>That's never going that's never going to go away. I mean,

881
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:02.519
<v Speaker 1>that's going to be with us for the rest of

882
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:03.280
<v Speaker 1>our lives, is it not?

883
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.639
<v Speaker 4>I think over time. But this is my hope anyway, man,

884
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.280
<v Speaker 4>I hope that you know, thanks to having conversations with

885
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:13.360
<v Speaker 4>folks like you on the radio, that over time people

886
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 4>will realize that this crazy surveillance capitalism model we live

887
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.760
<v Speaker 4>in where things are free quote unquote or are very

888
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:23.519
<v Speaker 4>cheap because they can monetize your data. People will get

889
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:25.599
<v Speaker 4>lies to this and realize that it would be better

890
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:27.920
<v Speaker 4>off to just pay for something, to pay the full

891
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.360
<v Speaker 4>value for something and not be spied on continuously. And

892
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:35.119
<v Speaker 4>then this all this cheap garbage because you know, I'll

893
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:37.360
<v Speaker 4>give your listeners something to do over the weekend. There's

894
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:41.199
<v Speaker 4>those zellains, the people that make the Firefox web browser

895
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.639
<v Speaker 4>have a website called Privacy Not Included. It is spelled

896
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.800
<v Speaker 4>just like it sounds, Privacy not Included, and you can

897
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:49.800
<v Speaker 4>kind of think of it as a consumer reports the

898
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:53.000
<v Speaker 4>primary gear tools, the Internet of Things or so called

899
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:56.519
<v Speaker 4>smart devices. They did it really fascinating and I think

900
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:59.760
<v Speaker 4>terrifying exposing on modern cars and how much surveillance you're

901
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:02.920
<v Speaker 4>on or with any modern car from any any vendor.

902
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:06.000
<v Speaker 4>But they take a look at things like, you know,

903
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 4>web cameras or smart appliances. You know, why do you

904
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.039
<v Speaker 4>need to have a coffee maker that can send you

905
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.119
<v Speaker 4>a text? You can smell the coffee when it's done,

906
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean? Do you really do you

907
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:18.000
<v Speaker 4>really need that thing connected to the Internet and sending

908
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.280
<v Speaker 4>all your data to China or doing who knows what?

909
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.320
<v Speaker 4>Answer is? Yeah, yeah, absolutely not. But if you look

910
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:26.519
<v Speaker 4>at Privacy Not Included, they'll do a deep dive into

911
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.840
<v Speaker 4>a lot of this stuff. So it's a great place

912
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.159
<v Speaker 4>to go if you do have concerns about this, and frankly,

913
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.840
<v Speaker 4>you should to get some insight into you know, which devices,

914
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:38.880
<v Speaker 4>which manufacturers, which software vendors tend to be more privacy

915
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:42.159
<v Speaker 4>friendly because once you embed software and something and once

916
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:45.280
<v Speaker 4>you connect it to a network, well it can track you.

917
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:47.880
<v Speaker 4>Doesn't mean that it is, but it certainly can. And

918
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:49.679
<v Speaker 4>that's what they're trying to point out and give you

919
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.159
<v Speaker 4>some guidance to find the things that are going to

920
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.599
<v Speaker 4>be in security friendly. But it's a device that to say,

921
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:57.079
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that this is going to come as

922
00:49:57.079 --> 00:49:59.840
<v Speaker 4>a surprise. You vand that anything that you get that

923
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.800
<v Speaker 4>comes from China, Right, any sort of cheap internet connected

924
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:06.039
<v Speaker 4>device that comes from China, it's going to be a

925
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.280
<v Speaker 4>privacy and security dumpster fire because the center's all long.

926
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:12.239
<v Speaker 4>They care about market share, they care about speed to market,

927
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 4>they care about ease of use. Right. If you make

928
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:16.760
<v Speaker 4>these things too difficult to use because you try to

929
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.880
<v Speaker 4>make them more secure, then people won't use them. So

930
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.639
<v Speaker 4>I'm hoping that people will eventually get wise to the

931
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:24.760
<v Speaker 4>fact that while I get there's a cool factor to have,

932
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.519
<v Speaker 4>Like I almost bought the Phillips Hugh lights so you

933
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:29.760
<v Speaker 4>can change the lights and all that stuff. I think

934
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:32.280
<v Speaker 4>that's cool, but you know, I'm not going to plug

935
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:36.000
<v Speaker 4>that stuff into my network where I work and potentially

936
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:40.159
<v Speaker 4>create all comic privacy and security holes. So I'm hoping

937
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:42.079
<v Speaker 4>that people will get wise to this and that the

938
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:44.559
<v Speaker 4>incentives will change and the people that build this stuff

939
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:48.559
<v Speaker 4>will focus on privacy and security. But I think you know,

940
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.000
<v Speaker 4>the market is so immature. This stuff is all still

941
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:52.800
<v Speaker 4>really new, and there is a sort of a wow

942
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.360
<v Speaker 4>factor to a lot of it. I get it, but

943
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:58.440
<v Speaker 4>there's so many downsides. Like, for example, a recent study

944
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.559
<v Speaker 4>was done the show that smart TV manufacturers, none of

945
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:04.199
<v Speaker 4>the big ones put out any software updates for your

946
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.480
<v Speaker 4>TV after two years, So if you're a two year

947
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.280
<v Speaker 4>old or two plus year old smart TV, they're not

948
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:12.639
<v Speaker 4>making any software updates for it. And what that means

949
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:14.960
<v Speaker 4>if you talk to anyone that knows anything about security

950
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 4>is eventually there will be some sort of bug or

951
00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:21.840
<v Speaker 4>vulnerability discovered in that that then makes that a liability

952
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:26.519
<v Speaker 4>for you. But again, people, the average person doesn't really

953
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:28.960
<v Speaker 4>understand this stuff. They don't know how to secure these things.

954
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.559
<v Speaker 4>They don't understand the risk, and I get why it's cool,

955
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:34.360
<v Speaker 4>and frankly, it's getting harder and harder to buy something

956
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:35.280
<v Speaker 4>that's not smart.

957
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was going to ask you about TV specifically,

958
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Can I buy a TV, any brand, any make, any

959
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:44.519
<v Speaker 1>model anywhere that isn't watching me?

960
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:45.079
<v Speaker 4>Right?

961
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Speaker 1>You buy TV, you want to watch TV, but in turn,

962
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:51.239
<v Speaker 1>the TV is watching you. Is there a TV that

963
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.719
<v Speaker 1>exists today that doesn't watch you in turn?

964
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:59.239
<v Speaker 4>Sadly, that's right, most modern smart TVs are. I mean,

965
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:02.159
<v Speaker 4>whether they're watching you through the camera and microphone that

966
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:04.880
<v Speaker 4>most of them have, or they're just capturing the data

967
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.719
<v Speaker 4>about what you're watching, you are definitely being surveiled. There's

968
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:11.280
<v Speaker 4>been lots of studies on this, and as far as

969
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.000
<v Speaker 4>I know, Dan know, I'm not aware. I could be

970
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.239
<v Speaker 4>wrong on this, and it's not something I've researched, but

971
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:21.360
<v Speaker 4>I am unaware of any TV manufacturer in the mainstream

972
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.920
<v Speaker 4>that makes a what I would call dumb TV that

973
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:27.760
<v Speaker 4>doesn't connect to the internet. Now, I will say, you know,

974
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:29.920
<v Speaker 4>you can buy a smart TV and then just not

975
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.880
<v Speaker 4>connected to the internet, right, as long as you don't

976
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.039
<v Speaker 4>configure it to get on your Wi Fi or plug

977
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.840
<v Speaker 4>a cable into it, then it can't surveil you. But

978
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.079
<v Speaker 4>then of course it loses a lot of the functionality

979
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:40.920
<v Speaker 4>and the cool. Wow.

980
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:43.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you know, I mean, all I know is

981
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that all this high tech stuff is supposed to make

982
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>our lives easier, more convenient and all the rest of it.

983
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.760
<v Speaker 1>But my wife and I tried to watch Yellowstone last

984
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.000
<v Speaker 1>week and we weren't and we weren't able to do it.

985
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:57.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, we used to go to this channel, what

986
00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:00.400
<v Speaker 1>the paramount channel? Turn it on and look, you'll stones

987
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.599
<v Speaker 1>right there. Now you've got to jump through all these hoops.

988
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:04.840
<v Speaker 1>You got to sign up for this service and that service,

989
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:06.760
<v Speaker 1>and pay all this money and give me your credit

990
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:08.559
<v Speaker 1>card number and all the rest of it. I mean,

991
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:11.000
<v Speaker 1>watching TV and watching the show you want to watch

992
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:13.960
<v Speaker 1>on TV seems like it's more complicated than it's ever

993
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.400
<v Speaker 1>been in my lifetime. And I don't know if that's

994
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:17.480
<v Speaker 1>really advancement or not.

995
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:21.280
<v Speaker 4>I agree with you wholeheartedly, Dan. You know, there have

996
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:23.599
<v Speaker 4>been so many times were off the thirty minutes just

997
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:25.480
<v Speaker 4>trying to find something to watch. One in the old

998
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:28.519
<v Speaker 4>days when I only had like my three UHF and

999
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:30.400
<v Speaker 4>my one VH chef champ, I make it say that

1000
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:32.840
<v Speaker 4>backwards big enough. I went over and I turned to

1001
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:35.480
<v Speaker 4>diout of TAM nineteen and I watched Willie Walker or whatever.

1002
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 4>That's what I got. Now. I spent forty five minutes

1003
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.159
<v Speaker 4>right just trying to find something I'm with you or

1004
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:43.880
<v Speaker 4>that I'm this subscription lapsed, right, I don't know the passwords.

1005
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:46.559
<v Speaker 2>For that that. I hate that. I hate that now, man,

1006
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:47.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you.

1007
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.920
<v Speaker 4>Interestingly enough, interesting enough, I know almost out of time.

1008
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:55.519
<v Speaker 4>Today is the fifty second anniversary of the Atari Pong

1009
00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:58.519
<v Speaker 4>video game, Paul, remember.

1010
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Point, I remember playing. I remember playing Pong too, and

1011
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I remember being as a little kid. I was amazed

1012
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:06.800
<v Speaker 1>by that little white dot that would go across go

1013
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:07.599
<v Speaker 1>across the screen.

1014
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:10.119
<v Speaker 2>You had to hit it with the paddle, and that

1015
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:11.639
<v Speaker 2>was absolutely amazing.

1016
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'll tell you what I longed for those days

1017
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:19.079
<v Speaker 1>when things when you had simple things like Pong and

1018
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:21.960
<v Speaker 1>you could understand it. Dave Hatter, always great having you on,

1019
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.199
<v Speaker 1>my friend. We as usual we are barely scratching the

1020
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:27.559
<v Speaker 1>surface of this stuff, but it's always great having you on.

1021
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:29.199
<v Speaker 2>If people want to find out more about you, where

1022
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:29.679
<v Speaker 2>do they do that?

1023
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:34.000
<v Speaker 4>In trust it dot com or just find me on

1024
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:36.679
<v Speaker 4>extra LinkedIn. I'm always trying to share this kind of

1025
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:40.119
<v Speaker 4>stuff out there and hopefully help people prevent and protect

1026
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:43.280
<v Speaker 4>themselves from all the crazy stuff that's going on.

1027
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.719
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, Dave Hatter, I absolutely love it, and again,

1028
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:48.119
<v Speaker 1>thanks for the time. Buddy, and we'll talk again before

1029
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:51.280
<v Speaker 1>too long. Always my pleasure, Dan, Thanks all right, there

1030
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:53.360
<v Speaker 1>you go, the one and only Dave Hatter one twenty

1031
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:57.119
<v Speaker 1>seven late for a break, seven hundred WLW back on

1032
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.519
<v Speaker 1>the Big One, seven hundred w LW one and Carolyn

1033
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:04.480
<v Speaker 1>for Bill Cunningham. Today and on this day after Thanksgiving.

1034
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:06.760
<v Speaker 1>We've been talking about a lot of things that we

1035
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:09.159
<v Speaker 1>should be grateful for, and I think one of the

1036
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:12.079
<v Speaker 1>things we should be grateful for is that our United

1037
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:16.000
<v Speaker 1>States military will get down to serious business once again.

1038
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Here to talk about that and more is John Mills.

1039
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:23.440
<v Speaker 1>He has retired colonel and he is a national security professional.

1040
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:27.760
<v Speaker 1>He's written a couple of different books. And John Mills,

1041
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Colonel Mills, it is great to have you on the

1042
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:31.079
<v Speaker 1>show once again, sir.

1043
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<v Speaker 4>How are you, hey, Dan, Thank you and honor to

1044
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:35.599
<v Speaker 4>be on the show again.

1045
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

1046
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:43.920
<v Speaker 5>Had a great Thanksgiving as a wonderful restaurant on Skyline

1047
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:48.000
<v Speaker 5>Drive in Virginia, and we've done that like three years

1048
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:51.880
<v Speaker 5>in a row, just on the National Perk Service. They

1049
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<v Speaker 5>have a wonderful restaurant there on the Skyline Drive, a great, great.

1050
00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Meal and a great deal outstanding. That is outstanding.

1051
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:03.679
<v Speaker 1>Wrote on your substack about these drones that have been

1052
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:06.400
<v Speaker 1>flying over US military bases in the UK.

1053
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Give me an update on that.

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00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:13.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I look at this story and it

1055
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.760
<v Speaker 1>seems that there's a lot of places where these it

1056
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:20.079
<v Speaker 1>is just kind of a you know, maybe something that's

1057
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:23.639
<v Speaker 1>not very important, something that is not that big of

1058
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:26.199
<v Speaker 1>a deal. But I look at this as a former

1059
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:30.280
<v Speaker 1>military guy myself, and I think this is this is

1060
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:34.000
<v Speaker 1>a serious issue that that that we have such a

1061
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:38.559
<v Speaker 1>lack of leadership right now that these things are allowed

1062
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:41.840
<v Speaker 1>to happen, and you combine it with the Chinese balloon,

1063
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.360
<v Speaker 1>not one, but multiple it turns out that have flown

1064
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:49.679
<v Speaker 1>over the United States uncontested. I mean this, this lack

1065
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:52.719
<v Speaker 1>of leadership, I thank god is coming to an end

1066
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.599
<v Speaker 1>in the in the very near future and the US

1067
00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:59.280
<v Speaker 1>military can get back to the serious business once again.

1068
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:03.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely.

1069
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:08.039
<v Speaker 5>So, Dan, Yeah, this is very concerning now in the

1070
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:11.519
<v Speaker 5>UK story of the three Royal Air Force bases, where

1071
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:15.320
<v Speaker 5>we have the bulk of our US Air Force europe

1072
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:20.840
<v Speaker 5>power nowadays. They actually flew over the fence line and

1073
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:24.320
<v Speaker 5>over the bases, which means they were fine over the

1074
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.000
<v Speaker 5>aircraft on the tarmac. Now Lake and Heath have some

1075
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:32.400
<v Speaker 5>hardened aircraft shelters that hopefully some of the aircraft that

1076
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:36.920
<v Speaker 5>were on the on the ground distributed into the Milden Hall.

1077
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.679
<v Speaker 5>We have a lot of larger airframe aircraft that we

1078
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:42.639
<v Speaker 5>don't have. We don't have armored shelters for them to

1079
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:46.039
<v Speaker 5>be in. They are extremely vulnerable, so for them to

1080
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.920
<v Speaker 5>cross the fence line is huge. Now that's you know,

1081
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.440
<v Speaker 5>from what I understand so far with Picatinny Arsenal in

1082
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:55.719
<v Speaker 5>New Jersey and then what happened in the.

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00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:59.639
<v Speaker 4>Virginia Beach area. They did not cross the fence line

1084
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:03.599
<v Speaker 4>of any God or US government facility. I don't believe so,

1085
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:06.119
<v Speaker 4>or at least if not been publicly acknowledged.

1086
00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:10.960
<v Speaker 5>So this is sophisticated. These are not UFOs, These are

1087
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:14.400
<v Speaker 5>not hobby shoppers. I would say, I'd have to point

1088
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.960
<v Speaker 5>to China or a proxy working for China. They are

1089
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:21.159
<v Speaker 5>testing us the pensul Act of War and we have

1090
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:28.639
<v Speaker 5>service members, civilians, contractors who are at risk and the

1091
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:34.559
<v Speaker 5>combat platforms. It could be wiped out in seconds if

1092
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:41.000
<v Speaker 5>these copters were armed, Broach dropped ordinance on top of them.

1093
00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:44.280
<v Speaker 5>This is this is insanity. So this is a failure

1094
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:48.440
<v Speaker 5>of so many ways, the failure of the Inner Agency

1095
00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:51.159
<v Speaker 5>now in the UK were kind of dependent upon the

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00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:54.119
<v Speaker 5>UK to provide that products the agreement and the Status

1097
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:57.239
<v Speaker 5>Forces agreement. And I noticed it's interesting they crossed the

1098
00:58:57.280 --> 00:58:59.920
<v Speaker 5>fence line in the UK. It did not appear to

1099
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:02.960
<v Speaker 5>or at least it's not been not public report they

1100
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:07.440
<v Speaker 5>crossed the fence line in the two known incidents in America.

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00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:13.119
<v Speaker 5>But if you also study the Baltic Sea, which is

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00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:14.440
<v Speaker 5>close by.

1103
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:15.880
<v Speaker 4>As you go to the.

1104
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:22.519
<v Speaker 5>Danish passage to go into the Baltic, ships passed close

1105
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:26.119
<v Speaker 5>by to these airfields, and the Baltic has become a

1106
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:31.639
<v Speaker 5>Chinese lake because of an overstretched, under resourced, woke US Navy.

1107
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:35.719
<v Speaker 5>I think the likely starting point with the UK is

1108
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:44.280
<v Speaker 5>a ship. And again you have the Yping three, which

1109
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:47.880
<v Speaker 5>is essentially stopped right now by different NATO vessels because

1110
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:52.039
<v Speaker 5>it just broke two major undersea cables in the Baltic.

1111
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:54.480
<v Speaker 5>But if you study the path and the traffic of

1112
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:58.559
<v Speaker 5>the commercial shipping it comes, and if they if they

1113
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:02.000
<v Speaker 5>went when they came out of the caddying at and

1114
01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:03.639
<v Speaker 5>sterea rat out of.

1115
01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:06.480
<v Speaker 4>The Datish passage, if they went left, they go right

1116
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:09.199
<v Speaker 4>by these bases. If they go north for the Arctic,

1117
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:11.960
<v Speaker 4>they go north to the Arctic. It's a little way.

1118
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:14.559
<v Speaker 4>But they've been turning off their ai s. This is

1119
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:19.199
<v Speaker 4>essentially criminal activity when China and Russian and irane in

1120
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:21.000
<v Speaker 4>Venezuela and turn off their ai s.

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01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Colonel, let me ask you this. It's it's not as

1122
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:30.159
<v Speaker 1>if drones are not exactly new. We we are well aware.

1123
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the United States have been flying drones in

1124
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:35.639
<v Speaker 1>a military capacity for what a couple of decades now

1125
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:36.360
<v Speaker 1>probably more.

1126
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:39.280
<v Speaker 2>But thet this says.

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01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:43.360
<v Speaker 1>To me that that we do not have an effective

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01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:47.000
<v Speaker 1>policy in place to deal with incidents like this, or

1129
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:50.079
<v Speaker 1>maybe we do and and we didn't rely on that

1130
01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:53.360
<v Speaker 1>policy to deal with these sorts of incidents. And again,

1131
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:56.480
<v Speaker 1>you look at I look at this as you know,

1132
01:00:56.599 --> 01:01:00.119
<v Speaker 1>is this another probing action or are we seeing the

1133
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, these probing actions? And why would how could

1134
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:08.440
<v Speaker 1>we be so lax as to not have a policy

1135
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:11.159
<v Speaker 1>in place to deal with something like this the moment

1136
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:11.840
<v Speaker 1>that it happened.

1137
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:16.880
<v Speaker 4>Oh my my darn, don't get me going on this

1138
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:20.119
<v Speaker 4>this topic. Okay, Now, now we've got to separate out

1139
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:22.639
<v Speaker 4>because in the UK, it's actually the Brits that are

1140
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:25.679
<v Speaker 4>responsible for security of our basis of shame on them.

1141
01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:26.960
<v Speaker 6>But in the U.

1142
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:31.400
<v Speaker 5>In the US and domestic drone security is totally everybody

1143
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 5>likes to, you know, drink their loudmouse soup and bellow

1144
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:37.880
<v Speaker 5>on social media there shut it down. Well, yeah, that's

1145
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:39.840
<v Speaker 5>you're not We're not going to use a twenty millimeters

1146
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:42.119
<v Speaker 5>gatling gun in the domestic airspace.

1147
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:46.000
<v Speaker 4>But what we need to do is get the DOGE

1148
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:49.239
<v Speaker 4>in on this Department of Government efficiencies because this has

1149
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:55.360
<v Speaker 4>been debated inside the White House for almost three years,

1150
01:01:55.599 --> 01:02:00.840
<v Speaker 4>of domestic drone security, because it's intermingled with the trending

1151
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:06.760
<v Speaker 4>topic of topic of urban air mobility, which includes package delivery,

1152
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:08.880
<v Speaker 4>but it also includes kind of uber for the air.

1153
01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:15.840
<v Speaker 4>And it appears that NASA is leading the interagency dialogue

1154
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:16.800
<v Speaker 4>at the White House.

1155
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.239
<v Speaker 5>We need the DOGE to put some pressure on them

1156
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.719
<v Speaker 5>to give them a timeline of forty five days twenty

1157
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:27.880
<v Speaker 5>four to seven. You guys and girls, have this issue

1158
01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:30.199
<v Speaker 5>resolved on roles and missions and who's doing what. I've

1159
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:32.199
<v Speaker 5>been to this before the White House. This is all

1160
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:35.079
<v Speaker 5>about roles and missions of who does what in the

1161
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:40.239
<v Speaker 5>US government. And right now there are spotty legal authorities

1162
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:45.039
<v Speaker 5>spread across four different departments Department of Justice, Department of

1163
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:48.639
<v Speaker 5>Homeland Security, Department of Energy, and Department of Dessense. And

1164
01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:53.159
<v Speaker 5>it's very spaty and porous. So we do not have

1165
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:56.800
<v Speaker 5>pervasive drone protection inside the United States. And it's not

1166
01:02:56.880 --> 01:02:58.000
<v Speaker 5>just shut that down.

1167
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.719
<v Speaker 4>We're gonna have to we have to use innovation advanced

1168
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:06.480
<v Speaker 4>technology here. Because anybody wants to volunteer their house to

1169
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.760
<v Speaker 4>have a bunch of twenty milimeters rounds explode above, you know,

1170
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:12.559
<v Speaker 4>just you know, send your volunteer house to the dose

1171
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:15.000
<v Speaker 4>so we can do such a test. But this is

1172
01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:18.559
<v Speaker 4>we can't have a bunch of you know, rockets, missiles

1173
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:22.519
<v Speaker 4>and cannon fire over residential territory. We're gonna have a.

1174
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:25.400
<v Speaker 5>Lot of civilian casualties. So we've got to figure this out.

1175
01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:27.840
<v Speaker 5>That they've been debating about this at the White House

1176
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:31.519
<v Speaker 5>for almost three years. Debate time is over come to

1177
01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:34.159
<v Speaker 5>action assign who does what in the US government.

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01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, maybe I'm old fashioned on this,

1179
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:38.559
<v Speaker 1>but it seems to me that base security is something

1180
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:41.760
<v Speaker 1>that falls on the base commander, and especially when you

1181
01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:45.199
<v Speaker 1>talk about in the installations that we have in the

1182
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:48.960
<v Speaker 1>UK and other parts, especially anywhere overseas. That seems to

1183
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.360
<v Speaker 1>me like it ought to be a top priority for

1184
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:54.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, the what is it usually a one star

1185
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:56.639
<v Speaker 1>or a two star that is in charge of a

1186
01:03:56.679 --> 01:03:59.000
<v Speaker 1>base of that sort of important.

1187
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:02.039
<v Speaker 4>No, actually, no, actually no, it's actually incorrect. It's actually

1188
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:05.400
<v Speaker 4>normally an six and it's normally a cranky six.

1189
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:10.159
<v Speaker 5>It's trying to finish out their time without appearing on

1190
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:13.599
<v Speaker 5>the cover of Navy Times or Air Force Times or

1191
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:16.599
<v Speaker 5>Army Times as the latest person charged with this or that.

1192
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:18.800
<v Speaker 5>It's a hard job.

1193
01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:21.159
<v Speaker 4>But the legality, and this is where I mentioned this,

1194
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:26.119
<v Speaker 4>it's the UK that's responsible for banks defense, not US.

1195
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Wow in the UK.

1196
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:33.159
<v Speaker 5>Now, in the US, a dood can't do anything until

1197
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:38.880
<v Speaker 5>some kind of an authorized flight object crosses that imaginary

1198
01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:40.880
<v Speaker 5>fence line. If you draw a line straight up from

1199
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:43.840
<v Speaker 5>the fence, they can't do anything. And that's the problem

1200
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:46.519
<v Speaker 5>is because in the seventeen days in December of twenty

1201
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:50.760
<v Speaker 5>twenty three, according to public reports, they never cross the

1202
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:54.800
<v Speaker 5>fence line of the US government government installation, so illegally

1203
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:58.760
<v Speaker 5>can't do anything. So that's what we got to figure out.

1204
01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:02.679
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's talk about the the incoming administration, and

1205
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I think, uh, all you know, all the wokeness, all

1206
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:10.239
<v Speaker 1>the DEI, all the proper pronoun usage, all this, uh

1207
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:14.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, the the transgenderism that is going on in

1208
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the United States military right now. Hopefully all of that

1209
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:21.960
<v Speaker 1>is about to change. And I think Pete Hegseth is

1210
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:25.280
<v Speaker 1>going to be a great Secretary of Defense. I think

1211
01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:28.719
<v Speaker 1>you'll he'll take that mission very seriously to wipe this

1212
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:31.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff out of the military that really is

1213
01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:35.800
<v Speaker 1>distracting from what should be the main mission of the military.

1214
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:38.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think for too long now that we've been

1215
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.960
<v Speaker 1>away from that, and I think only maybe through luck

1216
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:48.159
<v Speaker 1>or timing or whatever, that it really has a bitterness

1217
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:48.599
<v Speaker 1>that hard.

1218
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:52.800
<v Speaker 5>What say you, well, and I had, I had pieces

1219
01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:55.400
<v Speaker 5>come out, and Gateway punted on both the drone issue

1220
01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:59.960
<v Speaker 5>and then on this issue. What you're talking about is

1221
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.159
<v Speaker 5>called a plucking. A plucking and that's.

1222
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:06.760
<v Speaker 4>Where we have a review of we have a poison,

1223
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:09.760
<v Speaker 4>that we have a cancer, a sickness. It's called woke this.

1224
01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:12.360
<v Speaker 4>Now you've got folks.

1225
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:16.039
<v Speaker 5>Who will angrily deny that such something exists. But these

1226
01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:20.159
<v Speaker 5>are the same kind of people who denied that Antifa existed. Oh, no,

1227
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:22.719
<v Speaker 5>wocism is a real thing. And we're spending a lot

1228
01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:26.480
<v Speaker 5>of time and resources. The budget spend on dud and

1229
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:29.559
<v Speaker 5>the intelligent community is going way up, and yet we're

1230
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:33.559
<v Speaker 5>less secure. Why we have this toxic cancer of wocism

1231
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:37.119
<v Speaker 5>that's creating this huge Drake coefficient. So we have to

1232
01:06:37.199 --> 01:06:39.880
<v Speaker 5>go through and you know, the legacy media is going, oh,

1233
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:43.639
<v Speaker 5>they're going to fire generals. Hey, guess what. One, there's

1234
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:47.199
<v Speaker 5>absolutely legal authority of a president to do that. And two,

1235
01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:52.360
<v Speaker 5>we actually have multiple historical presences to do just such

1236
01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:56.320
<v Speaker 5>a thing. Before World War One and World War.

1237
01:06:56.159 --> 01:07:01.280
<v Speaker 4>Two, the generals actually did literally call a plucking board

1238
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:07.079
<v Speaker 4>where they did mass reviews of general officers and told

1239
01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:09.599
<v Speaker 4>a number of them to retire and they replaced them

1240
01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:12.079
<v Speaker 4>with others that they thought were more ready.

1241
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:15.400
<v Speaker 5>So the absolute legal presidents to do this. And now

1242
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:19.440
<v Speaker 5>I'm going all the way back to President Lincoln choosing

1243
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:24.000
<v Speaker 5>General Ulysses S. Grant, who came back on board after

1244
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:27.559
<v Speaker 5>being forced out of the service with an alcohol charge,

1245
01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:30.960
<v Speaker 5>came back in to swap the deep state at the

1246
01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.079
<v Speaker 5>time in the Civil War, and the army.

1247
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:37.800
<v Speaker 4>Hated US Grant and yet essentially was a plunking.

1248
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:42.079
<v Speaker 5>You know, we would be two countries today if President

1249
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:45.239
<v Speaker 5>Lincoln had not said, I am going to disregard everything

1250
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:47.639
<v Speaker 5>the General say, and I'm going to replace and I'm

1251
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:51.079
<v Speaker 5>going to bring in US grant. This is absolute legal authority.

1252
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:53.480
<v Speaker 5>So this is going to change everything. It's the right

1253
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:57.639
<v Speaker 5>thing to do, huge legal presidents, and it's absolutely in

1254
01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:02.280
<v Speaker 5>the in the Constitution, in US law. Absolutely this can

1255
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:05.000
<v Speaker 5>be done. So we need a plucking. But that also

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<v Speaker 5>includes not just the general's animals, includes the career civilians.

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<v Speaker 5>We got to address the military academy. We got to

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<v Speaker 5>address all these advisory boards, and we've got to address

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<v Speaker 5>all these think tanks that they help.

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<v Speaker 4>This is where the cancer incubated and spread was at

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<v Speaker 4>the academy was at the same well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, And don't even get me started

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<v Speaker 1>on the academies. I mean, that is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>something that I think is going to hurt us in

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<v Speaker 1>the long run if things don't get changed. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've got someone serious in there now who is

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<v Speaker 1>going to take this in the in the seriousness that

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<v Speaker 1>that needs to happen. Colonel Mills, we have to run. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're up against the clock, but always great having you on, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate the effort. If someone wants to find

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<v Speaker 1>out more about you, where do they do that?

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<v Speaker 4>Dan?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 4>Colonel Rec John, Colonel Rit John two on S, Colonel

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<v Speaker 4>Ret John two on X, Colonel Rhett John on Substack,

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<v Speaker 4>Colonel rht John on Substack, also Colonel Ret John on

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<v Speaker 4>the Get Her In Truth X and Substack. All right,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I'll sell my books, the nation will follow

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<v Speaker 4>and war against the deep State.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, all right, Colonel John Mills. Always great having

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<v Speaker 1>you answer, and we will do it again before too

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<v Speaker 1>long now one fifty four Dan Carroll for Billtnningham, seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 4>Mike McConnell.

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<v Speaker 2>Here was something for you to think about.

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<v Speaker 7>If you miss my show, you can listen to the

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<v Speaker 7>Mike McConnell's podcast on the iHeartRadio app and catch what

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<v Speaker 7>you missed. However, if the shark attacks and eat your foot,

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<v Speaker 7>that's what's gone forever. So take my advice listen to

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<v Speaker 7>the Mike McConnell podcast and stay out of the ocean.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's pack pay Course Stadium with Paring and Black on.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven hundred WLW two O eight Dan Maderolin for Bill Cunningham,

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<v Speaker 1>the great American and joints and time off.

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<v Speaker 2>Glad that you are here with me. On the day

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<v Speaker 2>after Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean McMahon is running the big board in the seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred WLW Command Center, so I'm always thankful for him

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<v Speaker 1>being there. I'm always thankful for my next guest who

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<v Speaker 1>is joining us now. Scott Powell has worked in the corporate, academic,

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<v Speaker 1>and research worlds. He is currently a Senior Fellow at

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<v Speaker 1>the Center on Wealth and Poverty, also a Senior Fellow

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<v Speaker 1>at the Discovery Institute. His book is Rediscovering America at

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Powell. Welcome again to seven hundred WLW, especially on

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<v Speaker 1>this day after Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you, sir.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm very well, Dan, and there's a lot to be

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<v Speaker 8>grateful for. I mean, Thanksgiving is the holiday for to

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<v Speaker 8>express gratitude.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. It is absolutely great to be with you.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The great Rush Limbaugh on Thanksgiving used to tell the

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<v Speaker 1>story of the First Thanksgiving, which he memorialized in his

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<v Speaker 1>I Believe His first book, The Way Things Ought to Be,

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<v Speaker 1>and it tells the story about socialism in the New

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<v Speaker 1>World with the Pilgrims, and how they tried that starting out,

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<v Speaker 1>and how it really didn't work very well and it

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<v Speaker 1>led to literally people starving to death because the output

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<v Speaker 1>was so poor. And then under the leadership of the

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<v Speaker 1>governor then William Bradford, they decided to privatize and and

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<v Speaker 1>let people have private property and also enjoy some of

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<v Speaker 1>the fruits of their labor. And based on that that

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<v Speaker 1>that very simple concept that you could, you know, one

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<v Speaker 1>could work for their own benefit and enjoy private property

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<v Speaker 1>for their own benefit. I mean, really has had a

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<v Speaker 1>profound impact, not just on the United States, but on

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<v Speaker 1>on the entire world.

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<v Speaker 2>Has it not?

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<v Speaker 8>It certainly has, absolutely, you know, it wasn't really the

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01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:54.359
<v Speaker 8>pilgrim's choice to own things community. They were directed in

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<v Speaker 8>the agreement that the Virginia Company gave to them and

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of them land which was in northern New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 8>They never made it to the to the you know,

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<v Speaker 8>to that Virginia Company allocation to colonize. Instead, they were

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<v Speaker 8>blown off course and they you know, they settled in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 8>so they were really settling a land where they were unauthorized,

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<v Speaker 8>and they sort of had to figure everything out. But

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<v Speaker 8>they still went by what the Virginia Company had directed them,

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<v Speaker 8>which was to own all things in common and to share.

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<v Speaker 8>So that's what they tried to do for two years actually,

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<v Speaker 8>and then then Bradford could see that the results were

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<v Speaker 8>pretty dismal and he made that choice to, you know, basically,

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<v Speaker 8>give every family a parcel of land. And everything worked

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<v Speaker 8>out very well thereafter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Joy Reid on MSNBC recently referred to pilgrims as

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<v Speaker 1>illegal aliens.

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<v Speaker 2>Is is that accurate?

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, it's not accurate. I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It was part of, you know what, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>do something here.

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<v Speaker 1>It was part of her most recent meltdown post election,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was very upset going into the Thanksgiving Day holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me play the sound bite for you, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get your reaction to it. Look on

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<v Speaker 1>my shows, people who listen to me every day, they

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<v Speaker 1>know that I normally do not play clips from Joy Reid.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't play clips in the view either, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>just so stupid and we're all dumber for having heard

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<v Speaker 1>these things. But every once in a while they exceed

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<v Speaker 1>the threshold and I feel compelled to play that. So

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<v Speaker 1>Sean McMahon, let's hear cut number one, please.

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<v Speaker 9>These are the people who say the undocumented, who they

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<v Speaker 9>get to call illegal immigrants like the pilgrims, had permission

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<v Speaker 9>to come here, have to suffer the consequences of their actions.

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<v Speaker 9>Right they made the choice to overstate their visas, are

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<v Speaker 9>coming to our country illegally, so if they get deported.

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<v Speaker 2>Consequences are you?

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<v Speaker 9>Right wingers shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of your votes.

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<v Speaker 9>You don't want to be around me because I voted

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<v Speaker 9>for fascism, No fair coughing on you with COVID, But

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<v Speaker 9>you want me to wear a mask for your safety.

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<v Speaker 9>No fare, my body, my choice.

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<v Speaker 2>Well here's an alternative thought.

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<v Speaker 9>Make your own dinner, mega, make your own sandwiches, wipe

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01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:15.279
<v Speaker 9>your own tears, troll amongst yourselves with elon, and leave

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<v Speaker 9>us alone. You got your heart's desire, the president you

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01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:21.680
<v Speaker 9>dreamed of and worship instead of Jesus. And this time

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<v Speaker 9>you didn't even have to storm in the capital, smash

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<v Speaker 9>the windows, or try to kill police officers or issue

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01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:28.880
<v Speaker 9>death threats to bool workers. See, you did it just

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01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:32.840
<v Speaker 9>by voting this time. Congrats, you got your way, and

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<v Speaker 9>he even got away with breaking the law. Yay, But

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<v Speaker 9>if you expect the seventy three million who voted for

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<v Speaker 9>the prosecutor not the felon, and particularly the ninety two

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<v Speaker 9>percent of Black women who voted for Kamala. To give

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<v Speaker 9>you a cookie for your vote, a trophy, a hug,

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<v Speaker 9>a high five, you might be asking too much. If

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<v Speaker 9>we want to eat with you, we will. But if

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<v Speaker 9>we just want some peace over the holidays and we

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<v Speaker 9>don't want to put up with your trolling while we

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<v Speaker 9>eat our tofurky, get over it. Stop acting like we

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<v Speaker 9>owe you, and for God's sakes, stop whining. It's embarrassing

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<v Speaker 9>our thanksgiving, our choice.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Scott Powell, there's a lot to unpack there. I

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<v Speaker 1>find it rich that that she is calling for Mega

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<v Speaker 1>to leave her alone, when for how long now has

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<v Speaker 1>the left and the liberals in this country been looking

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<v Speaker 1>to shove their agenda down our throat, come hell or

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<v Speaker 1>high water.

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely, If anything, the folks on the among the MAGA

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<v Speaker 8>movement have probably been more respectful of diverse views, not

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<v Speaker 8>wanting to shove their ideas and down anyone's throat, but rather,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, show the way of life that attracts people naturally.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, do you know many people that call themselves

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<v Speaker 8>progressive and liberal who really are happy people.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's a good point. No, I don't.

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<v Speaker 8>And and you go to a Trump rally where all

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<v Speaker 8>the Maga people are, you know, they're everybody there's maga, okay,

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<v Speaker 8>And what do you experience? This amazing joy? It's like

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<v Speaker 8>it's it's like a big family. I mean, it's positive energy,

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<v Speaker 8>it's affirming. So give me a break. Whoever this commentator was,

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<v Speaker 8>uh your analysis and to argue that that the colonists

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<v Speaker 8>were illegal immigrants. First of all, North America was there

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<v Speaker 8>was no nation here.

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<v Speaker 4>There were there were.

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<v Speaker 8>There were There were a lot of different Indian tribes

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<v Speaker 8>and each one had their territory. And in fact, the

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<v Speaker 8>you know, in many ways, God guided the pilgrims to

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<v Speaker 8>the very place where there wasn't uh an Indian tribe

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<v Speaker 8>to displace the Indian tribe that had lived there on

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<v Speaker 8>this terrific parcel of land because there was a natural

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<v Speaker 8>stream running through it. You know, you need fresh water.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 8>They were white out by some sort of pandemic several

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<v Speaker 8>years before, so the whole tribe was gone, and this

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<v Speaker 8>land was there, and the pilgrim said, this is a

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<v Speaker 8>great place to settle, and the other Indian tribes that

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<v Speaker 8>were around there turned out to be friendly towards the newcomers,

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<v Speaker 8>and that's how it all unfolded. I mean, the story

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<v Speaker 8>of the Pilgrims is a remarkable story of peace with

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<v Speaker 8>the Indians. As a matter of one of the first

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<v Speaker 8>or as a business that they did was a fifty

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<v Speaker 8>year agreeing to a fifty year peace treaty between the

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<v Speaker 8>Indians and the Pilgrims, and both sides agreed, and that

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<v Speaker 8>treaty was honored for more than fifty years.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's funny the way the truth just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>takes all that whole rant apart, piece by piece. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you know, when you hear things like this and

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<v Speaker 1>she's talking about leave us alone, make your own sandwiches,

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<v Speaker 1>do this for you, and thinking, I'm thinking to myself, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Mega and conservatives are more than happy to

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<v Speaker 1>do things. In fact, we long to do things for

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves and not have to turn our eyes to Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>DC or the state capital for daily directions on how

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<v Speaker 1>to conduct our lives and conduct our business.

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<v Speaker 8>That's really what distinguishes us, and it is the most

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<v Speaker 8>attractive quality among the values. The culture of Maga perhaps

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<v Speaker 8>one of the most attractive qualities is that the movement

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<v Speaker 8>really believes in the people and empowering the people to

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<v Speaker 8>be all that they can be.

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<v Speaker 6>And that was the vision in the Declaration.

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<v Speaker 8>Of Independence, articulated so clearly that people had the right

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<v Speaker 8>to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that this

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<v Speaker 8>was an unalienable right, not provided by the state, but

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<v Speaker 8>an unable the right given by God. That all people

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<v Speaker 8>should be free to become all that they wanted to be,

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<v Speaker 8>to fulfill their dreams, and that all people had equal value.

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<v Speaker 8>That's also articulated in the Declaration. Now, it wasn't realized

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<v Speaker 8>because you know, slavery came in to the New World

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<v Speaker 8>that actually first came in as indentured servants that would

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<v Speaker 8>be freed. But in any case, we know what happened

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<v Speaker 8>in the South. Agriculture required a lot of labor, and

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01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:29.000
<v Speaker 8>slavery grew there. And so when the Declaration of Independence

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01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:33.680
<v Speaker 8>was proclaimed, the fact is that we couldn't live up

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01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:38.479
<v Speaker 8>to that ideal. But that vision was never lost, and

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01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:41.039
<v Speaker 8>in fact we fought a civil war over it. The

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01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:46.199
<v Speaker 8>slaves were freed, but even then in reconstruction there was

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01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:49.079
<v Speaker 8>still ill will between the North and the South, and

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01:19:49.119 --> 01:19:52.760
<v Speaker 8>there was discrimination will into the twentieth century. But then

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<v Speaker 8>God raised up another man that was Martin Luther King Junior,

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01:19:56.920 --> 01:20:01.600
<v Speaker 8>who proclaimed that he looked forward to the time when

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01:20:02.439 --> 01:20:07.600
<v Speaker 8>his children and grandchildren would be judged by the quality

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01:20:07.680 --> 01:20:09.439
<v Speaker 8>of their character and.

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01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:11.039
<v Speaker 6>The not the color of their skin.

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<v Speaker 8>And frankly speaking, America is probably the least racist country

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01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:19.079
<v Speaker 8>in the world. If you travel outside the United States

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01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:23.560
<v Speaker 8>to other countries, you'll find that racism is far worse.

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<v Speaker 8>And America has been a country of assimilation. It's really

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<v Speaker 8>an incredible you know, the values that were that were

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01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:35.520
<v Speaker 8>at the foundation of our country have really they haven't

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01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:40.560
<v Speaker 8>been perfectly born out, but probably more better than almost

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01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:44.000
<v Speaker 8>any other nation. And there's opportunities. Look look at how

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01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:48.279
<v Speaker 8>this country has provided opportunities people of all races. I mean,

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01:20:48.319 --> 01:20:53.560
<v Speaker 8>there are black billionaires in America today. Who would have thought,

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01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:57.239
<v Speaker 8>who would have thought, you know, even fifty years ago,

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01:20:57.319 --> 01:20:58.039
<v Speaker 8>that was possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you know, it's it's interesting because you know,

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01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:03.680
<v Speaker 1>you and I listened to this clip and Joy read

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01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:06.319
<v Speaker 1>and we and we laugh at it and we find it,

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01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:08.680
<v Speaker 1>we find humor in it. And I think part of

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01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:11.159
<v Speaker 1>the reason is is because I know, at least to

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01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:13.800
<v Speaker 1>my way of thinking, is that she can sit and

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01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.960
<v Speaker 1>criticize all she wants. She can say, Mega is this

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01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you know you voted for the fascist, is what she said.

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<v Speaker 1>But under this fascist named Donald Trump, she is going

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01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:29.680
<v Speaker 1>to benefit mightily. She is going to enjoy economic prosperity,

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01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:33.720
<v Speaker 1>probably unlike anything that she has certainly over the last

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01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:36.159
<v Speaker 1>four years and maybe over her lifetime. I think Trump

1501
01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:38.880
<v Speaker 1>is serious about taking the reins of the economy and

1502
01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:43.119
<v Speaker 1>doing things that maybe he was slow walking his first

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01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:46.199
<v Speaker 1>administration thinking that he would have another four years to

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01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:48.520
<v Speaker 1>back it up. But I think he's of this mindset

1505
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:51.199
<v Speaker 1>now that he wants to get things done so quickly.

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01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:54.640
<v Speaker 1>So people like Joy Reid and people like Mourning Joe,

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01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:58.239
<v Speaker 1>and people like Rachel Maddow and Jake Tapper, they are

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01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:00.920
<v Speaker 1>all going to benefit. They like they already all of

1509
01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:04.159
<v Speaker 1>them make millions of dollars a year, and they are

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01:22:04.159 --> 01:22:07.079
<v Speaker 1>going to benefit and enjoy the benefits. And we know

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01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:09.319
<v Speaker 1>that life for them is over the next four years

1512
01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:11.960
<v Speaker 1>is going to be uh, it's going to be better

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01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:15.239
<v Speaker 1>for everyone, and and so they're going to enjoy those

1514
01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:18.039
<v Speaker 1>benefits just like everyone else is. And to me, that

1515
01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:20.760
<v Speaker 1>makes it a lot easier to to to stomach and

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01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:22.000
<v Speaker 1>listen to criticism like this.

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01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:26.760
<v Speaker 8>Well, I mean, I think we're going to find that

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01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:31.199
<v Speaker 8>that things continue to change and evolve, and I hope that,

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01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:35.119
<v Speaker 8>you know, the critics of the so called MAGA movement

1520
01:22:35.159 --> 01:22:41.159
<v Speaker 8>Donald Trump uh, become humble and begin to reflect on

1521
01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:44.720
<v Speaker 8>the values that are represented by Donald Trump and the

1522
01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:49.560
<v Speaker 8>MAGA movement are really core values of America. They trace

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01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:51.560
<v Speaker 8>all the way back to the beginning of the country.

1524
01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:56.239
<v Speaker 8>And and don't we want to empower people? Don't We

1525
01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:59.800
<v Speaker 8>don't we want to get government off people's back and

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01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:01.399
<v Speaker 8>empower people to be all.

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01:23:01.239 --> 01:23:01.760
<v Speaker 6>That they can be.

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01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:05.079
<v Speaker 8>That doesn't mean we don't take care of the indigent.

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01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:09.319
<v Speaker 8>You know, we have, you know, a social welfare state

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01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:12.359
<v Speaker 8>that has probably been more generous than almost any other

1531
01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:15.199
<v Speaker 8>in the world. And one could argue that it's been

1532
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:18.479
<v Speaker 8>counterproductive in the way that it was structured, and maybe

1533
01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:21.600
<v Speaker 8>we'll get some reform there. But we're a caring people

1534
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.920
<v Speaker 8>and we're always going to take care of people in

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01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:28.680
<v Speaker 8>our country. And so I think the next four years

1536
01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:32.199
<v Speaker 8>are going to just be amazing. And I think that

1537
01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:38.319
<v Speaker 8>it almost was God's providence that Donald Trump for whatever reason,

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01:23:38.439 --> 01:23:42.199
<v Speaker 8>would not have his second term right, you know, back

1539
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:44.479
<v Speaker 8>to back with his first term that he had to

1540
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:48.199
<v Speaker 8>have four years off. Because the man is a great student.

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01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:52.199
<v Speaker 8>He learned a great deal through his experience. He's reflected

1542
01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:55.000
<v Speaker 8>on it. He's put in place a very strong team

1543
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:59.359
<v Speaker 8>very quickly. And I think that more will be accomplished

1544
01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:03.880
<v Speaker 8>in this second term, in which they're not sequential terms,

1545
01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:06.960
<v Speaker 8>then would have been accomplished had the second term been

1546
01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:10.279
<v Speaker 8>a sequential term. So I'm very optimistic that this is

1547
01:24:10.359 --> 01:24:12.439
<v Speaker 8>going to be you know, this is going to be

1548
01:24:12.479 --> 01:24:14.560
<v Speaker 8>a great comeback for America.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, I think that is an excellent observation. And

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01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:20.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do something I don't normally do here,

1551
01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:22.279
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to say something nice about Joe Biden.

1552
01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:25.119
<v Speaker 1>I saw a headline as I was preparing for the

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01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:28.640
<v Speaker 1>show today in The Federalist, and it talks about Democrats

1554
01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>are urging Biden to sabotage Trump on his way out.

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01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden is a lot of things.

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01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:38.039
<v Speaker 1>I think deep down inside, I don't think he's really

1557
01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:39.720
<v Speaker 1>that good of a human being, but I think from

1558
01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:43.760
<v Speaker 1>a political sense that this is something that is foreign

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01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:46.880
<v Speaker 1>to him. I don't think he really has an appetite

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01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:50.640
<v Speaker 1>to sabotage Trump on his way out. I think he

1561
01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:54.520
<v Speaker 1>went along with the sabotage that Barack Obama put in

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01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:56.439
<v Speaker 1>place on his way out. I think he was part

1563
01:24:56.439 --> 01:24:59.279
<v Speaker 1>and parcel of that. But I think for his own legacy,

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01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:01.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he wants that. Maybe I'm maybe I'm

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01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:05.079
<v Speaker 1>reading him wrong, but maybe this will be a chance

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01:25:05.119 --> 01:25:09.359
<v Speaker 1>for his legacy to at least do something decent and

1567
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:12.479
<v Speaker 1>not go along with these efforts to sort of stack

1568
01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the deck against Trump. As he exits the scene in Washington,

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01:25:15.960 --> 01:25:16.920
<v Speaker 1>what do you think.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, you know, I want to I would want to

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01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:22.680
<v Speaker 8>agree with you. I think that analysis is certainly a

1572
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:27.800
<v Speaker 8>very positive has a kind of a positive quality to it,

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01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:31.319
<v Speaker 8>and I always want to think well of other people.

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01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:35.760
<v Speaker 8>And the fact, you know, sometimes you know, when we

1575
01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:39.119
<v Speaker 8>when we uh turn the cheek, if you will, good

1576
01:25:39.159 --> 01:25:39.880
<v Speaker 8>things happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 8>I think it's it's hard to know about Joe Biden.

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01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:45.359
<v Speaker 8>I feel you know, I think I think we all

1580
01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:49.840
<v Speaker 8>feel a bit we have compassion for him simply because

1581
01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:53.319
<v Speaker 8>he's an elderly man that clearly is in the declining

1582
01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:58.159
<v Speaker 8>state of life mentally, and he you know, he isn't

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01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:00.880
<v Speaker 8>in full control of of what he right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in this way, maybe I'm thinking maybe he's

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01:26:04.920 --> 01:26:07.079
<v Speaker 1>going to have a moment of clarity, He's going to

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01:26:07.079 --> 01:26:09.239
<v Speaker 1>realize this and say I'm not going to go along

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01:26:09.239 --> 01:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>with this, and and that may be the thing that

1588
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:14.680
<v Speaker 1>that winds up defining him for all of history. But

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01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Scott Powell, we are up against the clock. I can't

1590
01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:19.479
<v Speaker 1>thank you enough for joining me here on the day

1591
01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:21.600
<v Speaker 1>after Thanksgiving. It is always great to have you on

1592
01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:25.119
<v Speaker 1>my friend, and I will certainly it really is. I'll

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01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:27.039
<v Speaker 1>certainly look forward to the time the next time we

1594
01:26:27.039 --> 01:26:29.039
<v Speaker 1>get a chance to do it again. But until then,

1595
01:26:29.399 --> 01:26:31.760
<v Speaker 1>all the best to you and take care of yourself

1596
01:26:31.760 --> 01:26:33.319
<v Speaker 1>and we will talk to you down the road.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you. Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, there you go, the one and only Scott

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01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Powell of the Discovery Institute. And again his book is

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01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:44.600
<v Speaker 1>called Rediscovering America. I would encourage you to check that out.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it for me. I got to get out

1602
01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:49.479
<v Speaker 1>of here and enjoy some NFL football coming up. And

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<v Speaker 1>until then, Sean mcmahn, thank you for everything that you

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01:26:52.239 --> 01:26:55.239
<v Speaker 1>did today, and everyone have a great Friday and a

1605
01:26:55.279 --> 01:26:59.720
<v Speaker 1>great weekend. We'll see you again on seven hundred WLW.

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