Speaker 1: Right back on the Big One seven hundred WLW twelve
Speaker 1: oh seven. Dan Carroll in for the Great American. Bill
Speaker 1: Cunningham was enjoining some time off, glad to be here
Speaker 1: with you. I am glad you are here as well
Speaker 1: on this black Friday. And man, did I make a
Speaker 1: mistake driving into the station today. I came down two seven.
Speaker 1: I usually sometimes I cut up and I go through
Speaker 1: Newtown and I go through a little bit of Madeira
Speaker 1: in Indian Hill, And this time I came around two
Speaker 1: seventy five down seventy one and Sean McMahon the exit
Speaker 1: trying to get off at Kenwood where the Kenwood Mall
Speaker 1: is backed up all the way to Cross County Highway.
Speaker 1: How about that? I mean the shopping mall craze is
Speaker 1: unbelievable right now. And so I bailed out across county
Speaker 1: and was able to come down Kenwood Road to.
Speaker 2: Get here to the station.
Speaker 1: So that was I saw that traffic back on seventy one,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I might not make it on time.
Speaker 1: I got to I had a call in audible and
Speaker 1: it worked out and got in here and we are
Speaker 1: off and running on the Bill Cunningham Show till two
Speaker 1: thirty this afternoon, and then we're going to have some
Speaker 1: NFL football and that'll be great. So it's going to
Speaker 1: be a great Friday. And I hope you can stay tuned,
Speaker 1: and I like to hear from you a little bit
Speaker 1: later on five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand,
Speaker 1: won eight hundred, the Big One. But we start with
Speaker 1: a great guest and uh a woman that has a
Speaker 1: lot to be proud of right now. She is the
Speaker 1: co founder of just an awesome group called Moms for Liberty,
Speaker 1: and Tina Dyskovich is my guest on this day after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: And Tina, thank you so much for being here. Are
Speaker 1: you one of those that you know goes out on
Speaker 1: Black Friday and wants to do all the shopping, looking
Speaker 1: for the bargains and all that.
Speaker 2: Kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I think you texted and asked if I'd come on
Speaker 3: the show, and I was able to say yes, because no,
Speaker 3: I'm not one to great.
Speaker 1: I mean if I had, if I had the wager,
Speaker 1: I would not have pegged you as a person that
Speaker 1: goes out on Black Friday.
Speaker 2: So congratulations on that.
Speaker 3: I will say this year, I may or may not
Speaker 3: have gotten online though and bought some things because there's
Speaker 3: just as many deals online and you can do it
Speaker 3: from your couch and your pajamas.
Speaker 2: There you go. I like that for me.
Speaker 1: And I was looking at your social media feed earlier today,
Speaker 1: and it's pasta at your house for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 3: It's all the above at my house for Thanksgiving. But
Speaker 3: my family and my mom's side of the family are Italian,
Speaker 3: and my grandmother when I was little, we used to
Speaker 3: make homeade pasta the night before Thanksgiving and that was
Speaker 3: with the turkey and everything else. The next day we
Speaker 3: we'd cook it. And so my family just carry that
Speaker 3: on at least for three generations. And so my sisters
Speaker 3: and family all come over, my mom and all the kids,
Speaker 3: and everybody's in charge of hand rolling. We don't use
Speaker 3: any mixers or anything pasta.
Speaker 2: That is so awesome.
Speaker 3: It's so fun.
Speaker 1: And you got everyone around the table there and it
Speaker 1: looks like I certainly hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: And again, thank you so much for taking the time
Speaker 1: to talk with me today. Is it just me or
Speaker 1: is it a real thing that I'm feeling right now
Speaker 1: that I think there really is a renewed sense of
Speaker 1: hope and optimism across the country, especially on this Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: and as we head into the holiday season.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, even those you know, we're all going to say
Speaker 3: it's because of Donald Trump, and obviously, but even those
Speaker 3: that I have friends that didn't vote for him, they
Speaker 3: left it blank. They didn't vote for Kamala, but they
Speaker 3: left it blank because they were never fans and just
Speaker 3: couldn't get there. They have a renewed sense of hope
Speaker 3: and optimism because even though they weren't necessarily they're not
Speaker 3: fans of him or his personality or things that he's done,
Speaker 3: they are fans of his policies. And so if nothing else,
Speaker 3: you can look at earlier this month, the wins that
Speaker 3: happened as policy wins and as a change in America,
Speaker 3: and America is done with the nonsense, done with the woke.
Speaker 3: And so I think most people are optimistic.
Speaker 1: I think so. And I I was looking. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you saw the video of the meltdown that
Speaker 1: Joy Reid had, one of the many meltdowns that your
Speaker 1: friend Joy Reid has had since since since election night,
Speaker 1: but she had this one talking about Thanksgiving and and
Speaker 1: and talking about how she just wants the mega people
Speaker 1: to leave her alone. I find it rich that she's
Speaker 1: talking about mega people and saying just leave us alone.
Speaker 1: And and for how many years have we wanted the
Speaker 1: federal government to just leave us alone as conservatives and
Speaker 1: and and people who think differently than than the Washington elitists.
Speaker 1: So is she she was having that meltdown, and she
Speaker 1: was saying about conservatives that you're gonna have to to
Speaker 1: make your own food, make your own sandwiches, do all
Speaker 1: these things for yourself. And I'm thinking, well, you know,
Speaker 1: how how uninformed can you be? Because that is what
Speaker 1: we have been talking about the entire time, is that
Speaker 1: that we are people who want who want to do
Speaker 1: things for ourselves and don't want to have to look
Speaker 1: to the federal government from the womb to the tomb
Speaker 1: as far as assistance goes. When you talk about education
Speaker 1: and money for this and money for that, and housing
Speaker 1: and healthcare and all the rest of it.
Speaker 3: You know, Joy is just like the rest of them.
Speaker 3: I hate to categorize people, but they live in this bubble.
Speaker 3: And I think we saw it closely when my co
Speaker 3: founder Tiffany went on the Joy Read Show, and you know,
Speaker 3: there's a moment where Joy says to Tiffany, well, what
Speaker 3: about this that you said on Steve Bannon? And you know,
Speaker 3: Tiffy and I talked about it later, and at that moment,
Speaker 3: I was watching live and she was obviously sitting there,
Speaker 3: and we both are kind of thinking, oh boy, what
Speaker 3: what is she going to pull up from Steve Bannon?
Speaker 3: You know, because you're starting to prepare how to answer, right,
Speaker 3: And what she pulled up was Tiffany saying that parents
Speaker 3: have the fundamental right to direct the upbringing of their children.
Speaker 3: And I mean it was almost perplexing, like do you
Speaker 3: disagree with this?
Speaker 4: Joy?
Speaker 3: They live in such a bubble that just ordinary things
Speaker 3: that every American thinks and believes is not something they
Speaker 3: even can understand or relate to. And so of course
Speaker 3: she's going on a rant. Of course she's upset.
Speaker 4: It's like her.
Speaker 3: Reality is set in and she still doesn't quite understand
Speaker 3: that she's not the only one. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Well, tell me what is next for moms for liberty.
Speaker 1: Your group has accomplished so much in such a short
Speaker 1: span of time and have so many issues that you
Speaker 1: like to think are going to be addressed, and maybe
Speaker 1: things will get resolved and people will start thinking about
Speaker 1: some of these things in a different sort of way, especially,
Speaker 1: and I think the biggest issue is parental rights and
Speaker 1: the kind of things that our kids are exposed to,
Speaker 1: especially in public schools. But let's say let's say you
Speaker 1: accomplished some of these things, then what would be next
Speaker 1: for Moms for Liberty.
Speaker 3: So Moms for Liberty, you know, our mission is to
Speaker 3: defend punch rights at the levels of government, but we
Speaker 3: really work at the most local level with school boards
Speaker 3: and we have we're proud of our three hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty chapters and forty eight states, but there are three
Speaker 3: thousand counties in this country, and so we have a
Speaker 3: long way to go. There's thirteen thousands districts, and there
Speaker 3: should be a mom's really really member, a minimum of
Speaker 3: one at every one of those school board meetings, looking
Speaker 3: at the agenda, seeing what's going on. I served on
Speaker 3: a school board for four years and I can tell
Speaker 3: you every single school board agenda has something concerning on it.
Speaker 3: And there's no checks on public education local school boards.
Speaker 3: You know, the teachers unions, they've they've elected the people
Speaker 3: on the board for the most part, and then there's
Speaker 3: just no one checking to see what they're doing community
Speaker 3: trusts them because it's their local school, and you know,
Speaker 3: you want to like them, and you think it is
Speaker 3: what it was when you were a kid. So I know,
Speaker 3: we have a lot of wins. We've accomplished so much.
Speaker 3: We have, you know, hundreds of people sitting on school
Speaker 3: boards now four hundred and twenty five sitting on school boards,
Speaker 3: and are mom's really remembers, But there's thirteen thousand school boards,
Speaker 3: and so we just have a we have a long
Speaker 3: way to go. There's so much work to do. And yes,
Speaker 3: President Trump has been elected and yes he you know,
Speaker 3: sounds like they're going to dismantle the US Department of Education.
Speaker 3: But even more so than everything is returned to the
Speaker 3: state and local, we have to be involved in engaged
Speaker 3: with along way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the one thing that we've learned over
Speaker 1: the years, and the one thing that Rush Limball talked
Speaker 1: about all the time, is that the left and the
Speaker 1: liberals do not quit. There may be a time why
Speaker 1: when they fall back or they're not pressing the issues
Speaker 1: as hard as they do, but the one thing they
Speaker 1: do is they do not quit. They take the long view.
Speaker 1: So right now I think we're in a period of
Speaker 1: them regrouping, and they'll be coming back before we know it.
Speaker 1: So when you look at I think one of the
Speaker 1: things late in the campaign that helped get Donald Trump
Speaker 1: across the not across the finish line, but make his
Speaker 1: electoral win as big as it was was Mark Cuban.
Speaker 1: And when Mark Cuban came out with this idiotic notion
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump doesn't like to surround himself with strong,
Speaker 1: powerful women. I look at the list of the people
Speaker 1: that he has nominated for important positions in his cabinet,
Speaker 1: starting with Chief of Staff Susie Weiss, and then you've
Speaker 1: got Caroline Levitt, who was an amazing young person who's
Speaker 1: going to be great, I think, is White House Press secretary.
Speaker 1: And you go down the list, You've got Taulci Gabbard
Speaker 1: on there, You've got Christy nome on there, always Staphonic,
Speaker 1: and the list goes on and on. I know you're
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent on board with each and every
Speaker 1: pick that Trump has made, but give me an overall
Speaker 1: great as far as the number of women and the
Speaker 1: kind of women that Trump is going to surround himself with.
Speaker 1: As he gets ready to take a step in again
Speaker 1: to the Oval Office, yeah, he is not.
Speaker 3: He's not picking what is the wallflowers or wilted will,
Speaker 3: whatever the name is, for women that will just shy
Speaker 3: away and do what they're told to do. That is
Speaker 3: not the kind of women that are around Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: He appreciates strong women. He appreciates strong personalities. I don't
Speaker 3: know why people on the lap Mark Cuban and others,
Speaker 3: I just don't even know where they get their information from.
Speaker 3: If you look at the appointments you just listed the names,
Speaker 3: those are all strong women, very successful in their own right.
Speaker 3: Catherine Lovett, like you said, I mean she gave birth
Speaker 3: well on the campaign trial. I think she took a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks and now brings her baby with her
Speaker 3: and she is still all in, yeah, managing to do
Speaker 3: it all. Susie Wilds is a force to be reckoned
Speaker 3: with here in Florida for a long time. And you know,
Speaker 3: don't leave out the Department of Education had the new
Speaker 3: one that's been appointed, Linda McMahon. She is a powerful woman.
Speaker 1: No, I was going to say, I was going to say,
Speaker 1: I would think Linda McMahon would be a favorite one
Speaker 1: of yours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love Linda McMahon and so we can't wait
Speaker 3: to see how she starts dismantling that US Department of Education,
Speaker 3: because you know, education was never meant to be at
Speaker 3: the federal government level, and I know people get concerned
Speaker 3: about their local schools and how that's going to impact
Speaker 3: it's going to benefit their local schools. The federal government
Speaker 3: only contributes about ten percent of revenue to schools, and
Speaker 3: so states can make that up. The federal government can
Speaker 3: also do some block grants through different departments. Like this
Speaker 3: can be done, and it needs to be done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Have you been following very much the story of San
Speaker 1: Jose State University and the women's volleyball team there and
Speaker 1: what's going on with that and the Mountain West Conference
Speaker 1: and all that controversy. You've been following that at all
Speaker 1: as it relates to women and Title mind and everything else.
Speaker 3: Well, Title Mine for us is I don't know how
Speaker 3: closely you follow everything that we do, but you know
Speaker 3: we sue the Biden administration along with four states over
Speaker 3: Title nine the Title nine rewrite. What a disaster that is,
Speaker 3: and so this is a hotbed issue for US. We
Speaker 3: have grown our membership in chapters extensively this year over
Speaker 3: this issue. For the election, you know, we had to
Speaker 3: get out the vote effort and our last commercial that
Speaker 3: we ran through some of the swing states was of
Speaker 3: a young girl training with her dad and then after
Speaker 3: her race, she walks over to her dad and she
Speaker 3: just said, that wasn't fair. I had a race against
Speaker 3: a boy. And we said, dads, get out there. You
Speaker 3: know important you show up, but it's important you show
Speaker 3: up to vote for your daughters. And it was a
Speaker 3: hit across the board. I know that some people even
Speaker 3: say that President Trump won on this single issue. You know,
Speaker 3: the border was important, economy was important, but this issue
Speaker 3: was also a huge issue parents in general, people in
Speaker 3: America do not want to see men competing against women.
Speaker 3: And these women's sports teams that are starting to forfeit
Speaker 3: their games, championship games over this issue, they deserve a
Speaker 3: medal just for that. They're giving up their dreams that
Speaker 3: they've worked hours and hours on, end their whole life
Speaker 3: for to take a stand where it's important to protect
Speaker 3: future generations. And we owe them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Boise State was in the semi final match
Speaker 1: of the Mountain West Conference championship game with San Jose
Speaker 1: State and they forfeited their regular season games and then
Speaker 1: to take the next step and forfeit a championship game.
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of criticism of these women for
Speaker 1: deciding to go down that road, but I look at
Speaker 1: this and I say, they are being courageous. They are
Speaker 1: standing up for themselves, and they're also standing up for
Speaker 1: the women who will come after them and trying to
Speaker 1: pave the road. And you know, wheeld the machete and
Speaker 1: make the path a little bit easier for the women
Speaker 1: who will come after them. And then I thought this,
Speaker 1: I thought, what a remarkable act of selfishness on the
Speaker 1: point of this transgender player on San Jose State. To
Speaker 1: see all of this swirling around. You know that there's
Speaker 1: already been one coach who's fired because she dared to
Speaker 1: speak out talking about The girls on the team were
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable with this. It wasn't good for them. But
Speaker 1: yet this individual is putting his or her own individual
Speaker 1: wants and desires and needs over the benefit of the team.
Speaker 1: And anyone that has played sports before knows that a
Speaker 1: team is that there's no I in team. It is
Speaker 1: supposed to be about teamwork, and this person is is
Speaker 1: really putting their own individual you know, whatever they want,
Speaker 1: the goals they want to reach, or anything else, putting
Speaker 1: that above the importance of the team. When the women
Speaker 1: on the other side, the ones who who have a
Speaker 1: forfeit of these games, seem to me like they're doing
Speaker 1: the exact opposite.
Speaker 3: You know, I blame the people around the transgender student
Speaker 3: that are continuing to affirm and support because clearly the
Speaker 3: student has struggles gender dysphorio or the like. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not a doctor, but thinks they're a different gender.
Speaker 3: And there's enough people around the transgender students that keep
Speaker 3: telling him that she's a her and it's okay. They're
Speaker 3: the ones that are at fault. They're the ones that
Speaker 3: need to be held accountable because there's something wrong here
Speaker 3: and they are they're not helping fix the problem. You know,
Speaker 3: I we we have I think about these great girls
Speaker 3: that are doing what they're doing now by standing up
Speaker 3: and they're protecting all the younger girls. So we have
Speaker 3: a If you've heard about Peyton McNabb there in North Carolina,
Speaker 3: that's one of our moms' daughter. She got knocked unconscious
Speaker 3: by a man pretending to be a woman on the
Speaker 3: other high school team volleyball sports.
Speaker 2: I did read about that, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean she's his lifelong now paralyzation on part
Speaker 3: of her body because of what happened, and so so
Speaker 3: many young girls, you know, besides the point that you're
Speaker 3: in changing with a with a male like, they're physically
Speaker 3: getting hurt and damaged for life and ruining their opportunities
Speaker 3: for scholarships in their future. It couldn't be more wrong.
Speaker 3: And so everyone that's surrounding this young person telling him
Speaker 3: that she that he is a her needs to be
Speaker 3: held accountable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I see and I see it.
Speaker 1: Even when the Leah Thomas thing was happening in swimming,
Speaker 1: I saw it as a lack of leadership on behalf
Speaker 1: of the IVY league. I saw it as a lack
Speaker 1: of leadership on behalf of the NCAAA, the NCAA. And
Speaker 1: think about the good that the NCAA would have done
Speaker 1: at that point in time if they would have stepped
Speaker 1: up and said, you know, we were going to have
Speaker 1: a clear cut policy on this. We can't allow this
Speaker 1: to happen. And now this is festering in such a
Speaker 1: way that we have this situation with San Jose State
Speaker 1: and you know that there is going to be more
Speaker 1: to come on this front, and you've got different judges
Speaker 1: who see it different ways, making different rulings. It's going
Speaker 1: to turn into an absolute mess when it really didn't
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 3: Failed leadership. Yeah, that's whenever we suffer in this country,
Speaker 3: it's because of failed leadership. And it looks like the
Speaker 3: tide has turned, it's working its way out. But how
Speaker 3: many people have to be heart how many people have
Speaker 3: to be harmed, how many growth have to these scholarships
Speaker 3: or opportunities. But you know, they're standing in the right
Speaker 3: spot now, they're standing out their history and I'm proud
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're getting help from Riley Gaines along the way.
Speaker 1: And she has been an absolute amazing leader on this
Speaker 1: and turned her experience with this issue into do you
Speaker 1: talk about a force to be reckoned with? And I
Speaker 1: really think she is. But Tina Daskovic Moms for Liberty,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Yeah, you guys continue to do
Speaker 1: you guys, you women, you and your group continue to
Speaker 1: do great work. And I am a huge fan and
Speaker 1: I follow along from here in Cincinnati what you do
Speaker 1: and I love having you on the show. And Tina
Speaker 1: Justice or not Tina Justice, but then the other justice
Speaker 1: in but Tiffany Justice. Now you're you're Tina, she's Devin.
Speaker 1: But I appreciate the time that you guys give me
Speaker 1: on the show, and it really it means a lot
Speaker 1: to me. And just congratulations on everything you've accomplished so far.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad to.
Speaker 1: Hear you've got a lot more work to do because
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep following along and hopefully have you
Speaker 1: on the show again sometimes.
Speaker 2: Can I say one more thing, please.
Speaker 3: Do oh Ohio twenty twenty five school board elections. So
Speaker 3: if you are thinking about running for school board considering it,
Speaker 3: reach out to us. Let us know, let's get you
Speaker 3: plug into some local chapters. Then let's start getting behind
Speaker 3: you now so that we can take back school boards
Speaker 3: across the whole state of Ohio. Mixed ball.
Speaker 1: That is great advice. And with that, Tina Discovihich, thanks again.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you had a great Thanksgiving and we'll look
Speaker 1: forward to talking to again to you again next time.
Speaker 3: Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2: All right, there you go, Tino Discovic.
Speaker 1: Moms for Liberty and one of my absolute favorite organizations
Speaker 1: out there. Twelve twenty five we got to get to
Speaker 1: a break. My buddy Dave Hatter is going to join
Speaker 1: us here after the top of the hour. If I've
Speaker 1: got my if I've got my lineup correct, let me
Speaker 1: see we've got that was Tina Discovich. Have we've got
Speaker 1: Dave Hatter or no, that'll be at one o five.
Speaker 1: So we've got a little time between now and one
Speaker 1: oh five if you want to get on board five one, three, seven, four, nine,
Speaker 1: eight hunder the Big One. Dan Carroll in for Bill
Speaker 1: Cunningham on this day after Thanksgiving, seven hundred WLW Back
Speaker 1: on the Big One, seven hundred WLW Dan Carroll till
Speaker 1: two thirty this afternoon the NFL football come in your way.
Speaker 2: Hope you had a great, great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump put out his Thanksgiving message that reads this
Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving to all, including to the radical left lunatics
Speaker 1: who've worked so hard to destroy our country, but who
Speaker 1: have miserably failed and will always fail because their ideas
Speaker 1: and policies are so hopelessly bad. That the great American
Speaker 1: people of our nation just gave a landslide victory to
Speaker 1: those who want to make America great again. And that
Speaker 1: was the post that he put out on X and
Speaker 1: True Social and so I was reading that, and I
Speaker 1: was thinking about the original true story of the First Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: And this is something that I was a loyal listener
Speaker 1: to Rush Limbaugh when Rush was alive, and every Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: you know, in proximity to that, usually the day before Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: he would tell the story of the First Thanksgiving. He
Speaker 1: wrote it in his book. I believe it was in
Speaker 1: his first book, The Way Things Ought to Be. And
Speaker 1: I actually before on this radio station and down the hall,
Speaker 1: have actually brought the book in and read what Rush
Speaker 1: Limball wrote about the initial Thanksgiving. And I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this, and I for some reason I misplaced that
Speaker 1: book and couldn't find it. And it just turns out
Speaker 1: on American thinker Paul Dolling wrote a piece about the
Speaker 1: First Thanksgiving, and it's pretty much in line with exactly
Speaker 1: what Rush Limball wrote about. And he talks about the
Speaker 1: Plymouth Colony began as a collective commune, the idea being
Speaker 1: that everyone should participate according to the best of one's ability,
Speaker 1: but that everybody should receive an equal reward. So this
Speaker 1: meant working harder would not bring higher compensation and working
Speaker 1: less would incur no penalty. The food shortage created by
Speaker 1: this scarcity causing communalism was severe enough to cause people
Speaker 1: to starve to death, especially given the fact that an
Speaker 1: epidemic was also raging during the colonists first winter. Of
Speaker 1: the one hundred pilgrims who had come on the Mayflower,
Speaker 1: only about half that number survived to attend the First
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving twenty two men, four married women, twenty seven children. Thus,
Speaker 1: a large part of the First Thanksgiving was simply gratitude
Speaker 1: for having survived. It would be the leadership of William
Speaker 1: Bradford whose common sense and inspirational guidance would deliver the
Speaker 1: pilgrims from the ills of socialism to a healthy culture
Speaker 1: of economic freedom based upon individual property rights. Governor Bradford
Speaker 1: planted the seats of freedom and justice for all that
Speaker 1: would bear fruit not only in his lifetime, but into
Speaker 1: the future as well. During the First Thanksgiving, gratitudes towards God,
Speaker 1: our gratitude towards Governor Bradford would have been running high
Speaker 1: for his leadership, But there would be trouble in Paradise
Speaker 1: in the not too distant future, as the initial excitement
Speaker 1: of working communally would soon wear off. The reason for
Speaker 1: this was that the Plymouth colony bore many resemblances to
Speaker 1: a socialist society. Everything was owned by every colonist jointly.
Speaker 1: No one was allowed to own private land. In other words,
Speaker 1: the industrious were forced to subsidize the slackers. In sixteen
Speaker 1: twenty one and sixteen twenty two, the problem is eventually
Speaker 1: created for the Pilgrims had long ago been described by Aristotle,
Speaker 1: who had defended the institution of private property, arguing that
Speaker 1: it encourages responsible stewardship and provides incentives for individuals to
Speaker 1: work hard and contribute to society. And indeed, greater abundance
Speaker 1: did result once the Pilgrims abandoned socialism and privatized the
Speaker 1: Plymouth economy. Not long after Bradford had distributed private property
Speaker 1: each family, he noticed a dramatic difference in the colonist's behavior,
Speaker 1: and he wrote in one of his journals, it made
Speaker 1: all hands very industrious, as so as much more corn
Speaker 1: was planted than otherwise would have been by any means
Speaker 1: the governor or any other could use, and saved him
Speaker 1: a great deal of trouble and gave far better content.
Speaker 1: The women now went willingly into the field and took
Speaker 1: their little ones with them to set corn, which before
Speaker 1: would have alleged weakness and inability, whom to have compelled
Speaker 1: would have been thought great tyranny and oppression. So you
Speaker 1: understand what he's saying there, right. Once these people had
Speaker 1: a stake in the outcome, well, they went to work.
Speaker 1: The women who before would have said, you know what,
Speaker 1: but I really don't have the ability to go into
Speaker 1: the field, or those who really didn't want to work
Speaker 1: so much. Now that they knew that there was something
Speaker 1: of benefit to them, they willingly went into the field
Speaker 1: to work, whereas before they could have said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm too weak, I'm too old, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: physically able. They were going to get the same amount
Speaker 1: of food that everyone else got, whether they worked or not.
Speaker 1: In order to justify property rights biblically, the Pilgrims turned
Speaker 1: to the teachings of Reverend John Cotton, who invoked the
Speaker 1: Genesis story of Abraham. When Abraham had been stopped from
Speaker 1: using a well that he had dug, he appealed to
Speaker 1: the Philistine king, claiming that he had the right to
Speaker 1: draw water because he was the person who had sunk
Speaker 1: the well. Abraham also made a specific claim of individual
Speaker 1: ownership based on his own industry and culture in digging
Speaker 1: the well. This meant there was biblical proof of the
Speaker 1: individual right to own land and property that depended on
Speaker 1: one's effort and not upon the grant of some arbitrary privilege.
Speaker 1: The new private economy became self regulating, since those who
Speaker 1: were the heads of the land owning families became motivated
Speaker 1: to urge an industrious work ethic. Contrary to communalism, the
Speaker 1: fruits of private labor benefited the laborers directly, so the
Speaker 1: incentive to work and work harder came about naturally without
Speaker 1: the need of external coercion or control. According to Tom
Speaker 1: Bethel of the Hoover Institute, this division of property established
Speaker 1: a proportion or ratio between act and consequences. Human action
Speaker 1: is deprived of rationality without it, and will work and
Speaker 1: work will decline sharply.
Speaker 2: As a result, the.
Speaker 1: Economic conditions improved, and during the month of July and
Speaker 1: August of sixteen twenty three, the sailing ships Annie and
Speaker 1: Little James arrived at Plymouth with one hundred new colonists.
Speaker 1: In September that same year, Edward Winslow left aboard the
Speaker 1: Annie to sell timber infers and report to the colonies investors.
Speaker 1: Back in England, it was a grateful community of Pilgrims
Speaker 1: in full recognition and full recognition of the blessings being
Speaker 1: reaped because of the new economic system, who held their
Speaker 1: second Thanksgiving celebration in sixteen twenty three to mark the
Speaker 1: end of a long drought that had threatened the year's
Speaker 1: harvest and prompted Governor Bradford to call for a religious fast,
Speaker 1: For it was not only the cessation of physical drought
Speaker 1: conditions that helped the Pilgrims prosper, but the cessation of
Speaker 1: the spiritual drought brought by the rank unfairness of their
Speaker 1: former collectivist system, as well a socialist philosophy that could
Speaker 1: always be counted on to dry up human productivity. Such
Speaker 1: days of religious fasting and Thanksgiving feasting would continue into
Speaker 1: the future on an annual occasion basis. Other than New England,
Speaker 1: other colonies would soon follow suit. Governor Bradford's legacy of
Speaker 1: freedom and abundance would endure for hundreds of years, and
Speaker 1: its continuance would be assured upon the election of Donald
Speaker 1: Trump on November fifth, twenty twenty four. A non consecutive
Speaker 1: second term as President of the United States. Trump has
Speaker 1: promised in his State of the Union address in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: America will never be a socialist country, and this would
Speaker 1: be the theme of the twenty twenty four presidential campaign.
Speaker 1: His reelection meant there would be no return to the
Speaker 1: deadly collectivist philosophy of the early days at Plymouth. God
Speaker 1: blessed the freedom loving legacy of William Bradford, and to
Speaker 1: those who honor and support it, Happy Thanksgiving. So that
Speaker 1: was the piece that was written an American thinker by
Speaker 1: Paul Dowling. And so you understand what happened in Plymouth
Speaker 1: during those early years. They had socialism everyone. And look
Speaker 1: on the face of it, it sounds like a great idea,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. Everyone, everyone in the community owns the means
Speaker 1: to production. Right in this case, it's the farming fields.
Speaker 1: It's going out hunting and trapping and doing all those things.
Speaker 1: And whether you work or not, you get the same
Speaker 1: as everybody else. And you see how that destroys incentive.
Speaker 1: You see how humans deal with that. You've got some
Speaker 1: people who are going to go out and work very,
Speaker 1: very hard, and because as we all know, it's hard work,
Speaker 1: hard work, making something out of nothing. And that's what
Speaker 1: the giving thanks is all about, to about enjoying the
Speaker 1: fruits of your labor. Oh, but it's not the same
Speaker 1: for everyone. Well, think about what we've been listening to
Speaker 1: and been told by the left for so long in
Speaker 1: this country, and all this nonsense about diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Speaker 2: Well, people don't all have the same.
Speaker 1: We want the same for everyone when it comes to education,
Speaker 1: when it comes to I've never understood this notion about
Speaker 1: the distribution of wealth, as if there's some person or
Speaker 1: some committee that decides X number of dollars are going
Speaker 1: to go to this city, and X numbers of dollars
Speaker 1: is going to go to this neighborhood, an X number
Speaker 1: of dollars is going to go to this county or
Speaker 1: this region, the distribution of wealth. Look, I know there's
Speaker 1: unfairness in the world. I know the bad things happen
Speaker 1: to good people and all the rest of it. But
Speaker 1: by and large, you are a product. Pretty much you
Speaker 1: reap what you sell, by and large, and that's what
Speaker 1: That's the lesson that the Pilgrims had to learn on
Speaker 1: that first Thanksgiving or the subsequent Thanksgivings after the first one,
Speaker 1: the communal process was not working. There was people starved
Speaker 1: to death because there just wasn't enough to go around.
Speaker 1: But when you put that incentive in there that you
Speaker 1: grow out and you grow your own corn, and then
Speaker 1: you can do what you can sell the corn that
Speaker 1: you don't need, you can sell the surplus. And who
Speaker 1: benefits from that?
Speaker 2: Will you do?
Speaker 1: And your family does? And that's the incentive right there.
Speaker 1: So that's good stuff. I mean that that's the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that Rush Limball used to talk about every Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: and uh, I was very happy to to listen to
Speaker 1: that every year and then sort of do the same
Speaker 1: thing when it's my turn to be on around Thanksgiving. Five, three, seven,
Speaker 1: the big one. Those of the numbers to call if
Speaker 1: you want to jump on board. The Federal List has
Speaker 1: put out a great list of things to be grateful
Speaker 1: for after the historic win. And it was Graham Hilliard
Speaker 1: who put the list together. And let's see, here's the
Speaker 1: list right here. Coalition a married, working class, religious, suburban,
Speaker 1: ex urban and rural voters stood up for the America
Speaker 1: they remember, which isn't quite lost. So we should be
Speaker 1: grateful for that and It's amazing now that we are
Speaker 1: at post election seeing all the breakdowns of all the
Speaker 1: areas where Trump got more votes, more support from different
Speaker 1: groups of people that may not have supported him in
Speaker 1: the numbers they did in the past. And it really
Speaker 1: is a great political story. And of this, I am
Speaker 1: sure books are going to be written and we will
Speaker 1: have that piece of history to rely on as we
Speaker 1: move forward. Black and brown citizens flocked the Trump, there
Speaker 1: by putting to bed the idiotic smear that Mega is
Speaker 1: a white movement. Americans rejected the near decade of lawfare,
Speaker 1: fake dossier saw soft coups, and conspiracy theories. Democrats have
Speaker 1: been punished for ignoring their voters, deep sixing their duly
Speaker 1: chosen nominee Joe Biden, and installing in his place a
Speaker 1: world historically stupid diversity higher and I think that has
Speaker 1: been laid bare by this video that Kamala Harris put
Speaker 1: out earlier this week, where she's trying to maintain her
Speaker 1: political liability, telling her advisors, look, you got to keep
Speaker 1: me around for the next election cycle. And then one
Speaker 1: of the most horrific things I've seen is about Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 1: And apparently Hillary Clinton is showing some signs that she
Speaker 1: may try and run again. You can't make this up.
Speaker 1: Let's see, let's see if I can find this here.
Speaker 1: Could Vice President elect JD Vance have crooked Hillary Clinton
Speaker 1: as his Democrat opponent in twenty twenty eight, assuming he
Speaker 1: launches his presidential campaign in a few years. A press
Speaker 1: release has gone viral that's raising eyebrows online. Clinton sparked
Speaker 1: presidential campaign speculation with an announcement that she and Bill
Speaker 1: would speak at the Clinton Presidential Center to markets twentieth anniversary.
Speaker 1: The event will include remarks for her and Bill regarding
Speaker 1: either years of drifting off the public policy and from
Speaker 1: a philanthropic standpoint. So that's another question. Would you pay
Speaker 1: money to go see a speech from Bill and Hillary Clinton?
Speaker 1: I guess there's people that still would who think that
Speaker 1: that is some sort of a great thing. But here
Speaker 1: we are, just days after the twenty twenty four election,
Speaker 1: and the rumors about Hillary possibly running again in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty eight are already starting to circulate out there. Let's
Speaker 1: hope that's wait. Let's hope that's not the case. Although
Speaker 1: it would be, it would be a spectacle, it would
Speaker 1: be something to watch, much like this last election cycle,
Speaker 1: was fun to watch, but yeah, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: worry about that right now. Let's see a little bit
Speaker 1: of what the Trump administration is going to look like
Speaker 1: before we start thinking about twenty twenty eight. At least
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that and maybe the rest of
Speaker 1: you can do that as well. Twelve fifty five, we
Speaker 1: got to get to a break news coming up top
Speaker 1: of the hour. Then Dave Hatter will join us and
Speaker 1: we'll have a little conversation with Dave about different things
Speaker 1: as we roll on till two thirty this afternoon. Dan
Speaker 1: Carroll in for Bill Cunningham on seven hundred WLW, Mike
Speaker 1: Ty on the Big One, seven hundred WLW one oh seven,
Speaker 1: Dan Carolyn for Bill Cunningham.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I am thankful.
Speaker 1: That I am thankful for, not just around Thanksgiving time,
Speaker 1: not just around holiday time, but really all year long,
Speaker 1: is that I've known this guy for a long time
Speaker 1: and whenever I call him and ask him to be
Speaker 1: on the show, he never hesitates and says, when do
Speaker 1: you need me? And here he is again today, the
Speaker 1: one and only Dave Hatter. Dave Hatter, how are you
Speaker 1: doing today? Happy Thanksgiving? I hope you and the family
Speaker 1: had a.
Speaker 4: Great one, Happy Thanksgiving and your family, Daniel, we did.
Speaker 4: And you know what I'm doing now, I'm watching In
Speaker 4: Like Flint.
Speaker 2: In Like Flint, I do remember that movie classic.
Speaker 4: Clearly they stole most of the autome powers something. It's
Speaker 4: a class.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, there's really nothing new in Hollywood anymore.
Speaker 1: It's all it's all you know, half baked and remade
Speaker 1: and and all the rest of it. And they steal ideas.
Speaker 1: I've seen so many movies where you know, it's different actors,
Speaker 1: different title, different movie, but yet the plot is the
Speaker 1: exact same of a movie that I've seen before. It
Speaker 1: seems like it's impossible for them to come up with
Speaker 1: something new.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right, And I mean yeah, even
Speaker 4: the phone sound. Go back and watch In Like Flint
Speaker 4: and then want to toss the powers to phone sound.
Speaker 4: So the Austin soon like when he gets the phone calls, yeah,
Speaker 4: directly from this movie.
Speaker 1: How about that? Let me ask you a question, is
Speaker 1: it just me or does it seem like we're in
Speaker 1: a little bit of a lull right now when it
Speaker 1: comes to high tech innovations. It just seems like recently
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything that it's new, anything that's kind
Speaker 1: of whiz bang, like, g golly, look at this, you know,
Speaker 1: a high tech something that's blowing your doors off.
Speaker 2: And maybe I missed it, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Are we in a little bit of a lull right
Speaker 1: now when it comes to, you know, whatever the next
Speaker 1: big thing in high tech is, well, you know, we're.
Speaker 4: Coming off the hype of the AI thing. There. For
Speaker 4: a while, you couldn't you couldn't have a conversation about
Speaker 4: anything that didn't involve AII. And now a lot of
Speaker 4: the folks that are working in the industry, I think
Speaker 4: they're starting to say that, yeah, you know, the large
Speaker 4: language model is the power. The generative AI products like chat,
Speaker 4: GPT and Microsoft Copile or excess CROC are not sentient beings.
Speaker 4: They're not going to get us to general AI, you know,
Speaker 4: AI that is equally capable or more capable than a
Speaker 4: human being at any given task. Because most of the
Speaker 4: stuff that's out there now it's purpose built, it's designed
Speaker 4: to do a specific type of thing. And while you
Speaker 4: could do some very interesting things with some of these
Speaker 4: generative AI tools, uh, you know, a lot of folks
Speaker 4: are predicting they've kind of kind of hit the peak now,
Speaker 4: and it seems like the bloom is off the roads there. Uh, quantity,
Speaker 4: you know, if you're in the business, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of talk about quantity peating. But yeah, I'm with you
Speaker 4: right now, it seems like we're kind of hit. We've
Speaker 4: kind of hit a place where a lot of the
Speaker 4: hype around AI has worn off. A lot of people
Speaker 4: are being that while I have some potential, uh, it's
Speaker 4: it's probably not going to you know, in the next
Speaker 4: couple of years. Put everyone on street terminators aren't going
Speaker 4: to drop out of the sky or anything like some
Speaker 4: of the more hyperbolic predictions that we heard as recently
Speaker 4: as you know, a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe a plateau more than a law and where
Speaker 1: you know, where things are not accelerating so fast, and
Speaker 1: maybe that gives the rest of us a chance to
Speaker 1: catch up. And I'm glad you brought up AI because
Speaker 1: I got a couple of things I want to I
Speaker 1: want to bring up to you. One and one is
Speaker 1: the one where you have the AI Grandma's talking to
Speaker 1: the other the other chat pots to tie up there
Speaker 1: to tie I think that is pure genius. But let
Speaker 1: me but before we get to that one. Let me
Speaker 1: I came across this today on my on my social
Speaker 1: media feed, and this individual writes out talking to chat
Speaker 1: GPT forty, okay, chat GPT forty and she says, hey,
Speaker 1: chat GPT, look under there. And the response from the
Speaker 1: chat GPT is underwear and she says, l O L
Speaker 1: made you say underwear. Then the the AI comes back
Speaker 1: with haha, well played, say home and she and she
Speaker 1: responds home AI responds with geographic coordinates of her home.
Speaker 1: Now that is to me a little creepy, a little unsettling,
Speaker 1: a little bit disconcerting, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it. And you may have seen another
Speaker 4: headline recently that a high scorer was working with Google's
Speaker 4: Jim and I AI and basically said something like, you know,
Speaker 4: you're a worthless scum and you should die or something
Speaker 4: to that effect. I'm paraphrasing, but you know it came
Speaker 4: back with something that was less and less than cool
Speaker 4: for sure. And while in theory, you know, these products
Speaker 4: all have these guardrails built in. You know, there's a
Speaker 4: whole sort of cottage industry that's popped up around something
Speaker 4: that is jail breaking. The idea that you can make
Speaker 4: these products do things and tell you things that they're
Speaker 4: specifically designed not to do, like you know, how to
Speaker 4: make a bomb or something like that. Right, So yeah,
Speaker 4: again it just goes to show you. While I think
Speaker 4: there's plenty of upsides and these tools do have a
Speaker 4: place where they can make you a lot more productive
Speaker 4: once you understand how to use them, how to write
Speaker 4: the right prompts, and understand what they're good at and
Speaker 4: what they're not going at. Again, a lot of you see,
Speaker 4: they still have a lot of problems that The big
Speaker 4: reason why I think the bloomsolved to a certain extent
Speaker 4: is despite advances in the technology, it feels like they've
Speaker 4: hit a plat exponential weeks and capabilities. And also they
Speaker 4: still have there's still have this problem with hallucination when
Speaker 4: you can't trust what it tells you is accurate. And
Speaker 4: you know, if you use these things enough times, you'll
Speaker 4: eventually get an answer where it just literally makes something
Speaker 4: up and will then confidently try to tell you what
Speaker 4: it's telling you is true even though it's demonstrably false.
Speaker 4: So that's to me, that's the real big problem is
Speaker 4: I don't ever try to use something like cat GPT
Speaker 4: or Rock. I personally prefer Rock, which is X's AI.
Speaker 4: It's it's generally it tends to be much more humorous.
Speaker 4: It's when you can't trust it to give you an
Speaker 4: answer and you have to go do your own research, Well,
Speaker 4: what good is it? Because you know, while it can
Speaker 4: write a lot of pros very quickly, and that's one
Speaker 4: of the ways I think it's handy, it's their lack
Speaker 4: of trust. And what I was starting to say before
Speaker 4: Dan is I would never ever, this has been the
Speaker 4: advice I've been giving people for a long time. I
Speaker 4: would never use one of these tools to do research
Speaker 4: on something I don't know anything about, because if I
Speaker 4: don't know anything about it, I can't. I can't trust
Speaker 4: the result. Right. If I know at least something about it,
Speaker 4: I can kind of gauge, well, does this team right?
Speaker 4: Is this accurate? Can I trust this? Can I use this?
Speaker 4: Versus if it's topic I don't know anything about unless
Speaker 4: I go do a whole lot of research. Anyway, I
Speaker 4: can't trust the results. And that's why I think so
Speaker 4: many folks have started to lose interest and lose faith
Speaker 4: in these things at this point because of the hallucination problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when I see something like this where you've
Speaker 1: got chat GPT responds with the with the geographic coordinates
Speaker 1: of your home, that to me reveals a little bit
Speaker 1: of a mean streak. It reveals something that seems threatening.
Speaker 1: It reveals something, And I thought that the whole the
Speaker 1: people who brought us all this artificial intelligence assured us
Speaker 1: that the GP GPI. But these AI programs, they see
Speaker 1: humans as not a threat. They see human you know,
Speaker 1: they are here to help us get from point A
Speaker 1: to point B, whatever those points may be. So it
Speaker 1: is this revealing of something undesirable that we as human
Speaker 1: beings need to watch out for with as far as
Speaker 1: using this stuff is.
Speaker 4: Concerned, well, I think you know, again, I don't believe. Now,
Speaker 4: I don't know what's in a lab somewhere, damn you know.
Speaker 4: I only know what's available to the public out there.
Speaker 4: But I don't believe these large language models are anything
Speaker 4: close to artificial general intelligence, which is sort of a
Speaker 4: catchall term again for this idea that you're eventually going
Speaker 4: to get to a place where the machines are equally
Speaker 4: as good as or better than human beings at any task.
Speaker 4: Pick any task, and it could do it as good
Speaker 4: or better than me or you. You know, there are
Speaker 4: people working on that. There's a lot of speculation about that.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of Wilman people in the business out
Speaker 4: there predicting when that would come. And then then you
Speaker 4: get into the idea of super intelligence, the idea that
Speaker 4: once you reach general intelligence, the machines themselves would be
Speaker 4: able to improve themselves at a rate that would be
Speaker 4: far beyond anything in the beings to do, and you'd
Speaker 4: eventually get to a place where you'd hit super intelligence.
Speaker 4: They're more you know that the AI is more capable
Speaker 4: than all human beings put together. There's a really interesting
Speaker 4: book about that called super Intelligence, written by a guy
Speaker 4: named Nick Bosser. If people are interested in this topic,
Speaker 4: I encourage that you check it out. He doesn't make
Speaker 4: any particular predictions. He just lays out a bunch of
Speaker 4: different ways this could play out. Some of them are
Speaker 4: pretty terrifying, especially if you get back to your point Dan,
Speaker 4: then you know, if these products, for lack of a
Speaker 4: better description, aren't designed with the ultimate goal, kind of
Speaker 4: going back to Asimov's three rules of robotics, right that
Speaker 4: you know you can't do harm to human beings. If
Speaker 4: that's not built into it, and you get to a
Speaker 4: place where you do reach super intelligence, well and all
Speaker 4: bets are off, you don't really know what's going to happen. Now. Again,
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to scare people, and I don't think
Speaker 4: we're close to that personally. But I also don't know
Speaker 4: what the NSA has in some lab somewhere or what
Speaker 4: you know, the Chinese Communist Party has in some lab somewhere.
Speaker 4: But I do think what we're currently experiencing is nowhere
Speaker 4: close to that potential. But you do get some glimpses
Speaker 4: into the potential downside of these things.
Speaker 1: You know, when I see stuff like this, I think, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I you know, I robot is right around the corner
Speaker 1: and right the you know the Will Smith movie where
Speaker 1: the robots go crazy and yeah, they want to wipe
Speaker 1: out the movie.
Speaker 4: Have you seen Musk just posted on Twitter the other
Speaker 4: day his optimist robot catching a ball. It's pretty wild robot.
Speaker 2: I did not see that one.
Speaker 4: A lot of the robotic stuff you see, you know,
Speaker 4: it's not that impressive. You know, we've had robots in
Speaker 4: the industrial setting for a long time. Right, But and
Speaker 4: again I also think you've got to take some of
Speaker 4: this stuff with a grain of salt, because we eventually,
Speaker 4: in many cases find out the stuff that's shown on
Speaker 4: video clips isn't real or it's been enhanced somehow. But
Speaker 4: it just shows an optimus robots standing there and someone
Speaker 4: throwing a tennis ball to it and it catches it.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Okay, you know that if that's real, and
Speaker 4: I don't have any reason to believe that it's not,
Speaker 4: But if that's real, that's a pretty impressive uh amount
Speaker 4: of progress there at what it would take, yeah, for
Speaker 4: a machine to be able to watch something flying through
Speaker 4: the air on a given trajectory and give it to
Speaker 4: reach out and grab it and hold on to it.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's it's pretty wild. So and you know,
Speaker 4: right now you've got robotic, you've got AI. Eventually, of
Speaker 4: course they will blend right not that that isn't happening already.
Speaker 4: And that's where some of this, to me gets more scary,
Speaker 4: because right now the AI itself generally doesn't have any
Speaker 4: sort of agency in the real world. It can't do anything.
Speaker 4: Yet I could send you a message that says humans
Speaker 4: are scumb and you should be wiped out or whatever.
Speaker 4: But it can't actually do that right when you couple
Speaker 4: it with some sort of Android type device that now
Speaker 4: has arms and legs and physical agency, drones, whatever you
Speaker 4: want to whatever you want to consider, you know how
Speaker 4: you would give it some sort of physical agency in
Speaker 4: the world. That's where it gets a lot more scarier.
Speaker 4: Like if you samn't seen the robotic flamethrower dog, that's
Speaker 4: a little scary. I wouldn't really want to have to
Speaker 4: tangle with an AI powered robotic.
Speaker 1: I was hoping you give me one of the I
Speaker 1: was hoping you give me one of those for Christmas.
Speaker 1: You know, we we I'd like to have one of
Speaker 1: those around the house. Let me let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: I just saw a a piece about all the high
Speaker 1: tech gifts that are out there. If Dave hat Her
Speaker 1: is shopping for someone that you really really like, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe a family member, a loved one, or a good friend,
Speaker 1: and you're looking at a high tech, high tech gift
Speaker 1: to get that friend, what would Dave Hanner be looking at?
Speaker 1: And then conversely, if someone is shopping for Dave hat Her,
Speaker 1: what kind of high tech thing would you be interested
Speaker 1: in finding under the tree on Christmas?
Speaker 4: Morning. Well, Dan, that's a really good question because you know,
Speaker 4: except for possibly my worst enemies, I'm not buying anyone
Speaker 4: any of these high tech gifts because they're mostly privacy
Speaker 4: and security dumpster fire and you know, the worst sort
Speaker 4: of garbage that's being shipped to you from China that's
Speaker 4: basically surveillance devices, you know. So yeah, I don't I
Speaker 4: don't want.
Speaker 1: That's never going that's never going to go away. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's going to be with us for the rest of
Speaker 1: our lives, is it not?
Speaker 4: I think over time. But this is my hope anyway, man,
Speaker 4: I hope that you know, thanks to having conversations with
Speaker 4: folks like you on the radio, that over time people
Speaker 4: will realize that this crazy surveillance capitalism model we live
Speaker 4: in where things are free quote unquote or are very
Speaker 4: cheap because they can monetize your data. People will get
Speaker 4: lies to this and realize that it would be better
Speaker 4: off to just pay for something, to pay the full
Speaker 4: value for something and not be spied on continuously. And
Speaker 4: then this all this cheap garbage because you know, I'll
Speaker 4: give your listeners something to do over the weekend. There's
Speaker 4: those zellains, the people that make the Firefox web browser
Speaker 4: have a website called Privacy Not Included. It is spelled
Speaker 4: just like it sounds, Privacy not Included, and you can
Speaker 4: kind of think of it as a consumer reports the
Speaker 4: primary gear tools, the Internet of Things or so called
Speaker 4: smart devices. They did it really fascinating and I think
Speaker 4: terrifying exposing on modern cars and how much surveillance you're
Speaker 4: on or with any modern car from any any vendor.
Speaker 4: But they take a look at things like, you know,
Speaker 4: web cameras or smart appliances. You know, why do you
Speaker 4: need to have a coffee maker that can send you
Speaker 4: a text? You can smell the coffee when it's done,
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Do you really do you
Speaker 4: really need that thing connected to the Internet and sending
Speaker 4: all your data to China or doing who knows what?
Speaker 4: Answer is? Yeah, yeah, absolutely not. But if you look
Speaker 4: at Privacy Not Included, they'll do a deep dive into
Speaker 4: a lot of this stuff. So it's a great place
Speaker 4: to go if you do have concerns about this, and frankly,
Speaker 4: you should to get some insight into you know, which devices,
Speaker 4: which manufacturers, which software vendors tend to be more privacy
Speaker 4: friendly because once you embed software and something and once
Speaker 4: you connect it to a network, well it can track you.
Speaker 4: Doesn't mean that it is, but it certainly can. And
Speaker 4: that's what they're trying to point out and give you
Speaker 4: some guidance to find the things that are going to
Speaker 4: be in security friendly. But it's a device that to say,
Speaker 4: I don't think that this is going to come as
Speaker 4: a surprise. You vand that anything that you get that
Speaker 4: comes from China, Right, any sort of cheap internet connected
Speaker 4: device that comes from China, it's going to be a
Speaker 4: privacy and security dumpster fire because the center's all long.
Speaker 4: They care about market share, they care about speed to market,
Speaker 4: they care about ease of use. Right. If you make
Speaker 4: these things too difficult to use because you try to
Speaker 4: make them more secure, then people won't use them. So
Speaker 4: I'm hoping that people will eventually get wise to the
Speaker 4: fact that while I get there's a cool factor to have,
Speaker 4: Like I almost bought the Phillips Hugh lights so you
Speaker 4: can change the lights and all that stuff. I think
Speaker 4: that's cool, but you know, I'm not going to plug
Speaker 4: that stuff into my network where I work and potentially
Speaker 4: create all comic privacy and security holes. So I'm hoping
Speaker 4: that people will get wise to this and that the
Speaker 4: incentives will change and the people that build this stuff
Speaker 4: will focus on privacy and security. But I think you know,
Speaker 4: the market is so immature. This stuff is all still
Speaker 4: really new, and there is a sort of a wow
Speaker 4: factor to a lot of it. I get it, but
Speaker 4: there's so many downsides. Like, for example, a recent study
Speaker 4: was done the show that smart TV manufacturers, none of
Speaker 4: the big ones put out any software updates for your
Speaker 4: TV after two years, So if you're a two year
Speaker 4: old or two plus year old smart TV, they're not
Speaker 4: making any software updates for it. And what that means
Speaker 4: if you talk to anyone that knows anything about security
Speaker 4: is eventually there will be some sort of bug or
Speaker 4: vulnerability discovered in that that then makes that a liability
Speaker 4: for you. But again, people, the average person doesn't really
Speaker 4: understand this stuff. They don't know how to secure these things.
Speaker 4: They don't understand the risk, and I get why it's cool,
Speaker 4: and frankly, it's getting harder and harder to buy something
Speaker 4: that's not smart.
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to ask you about TV specifically,
Speaker 1: Can I buy a TV, any brand, any make, any
Speaker 1: model anywhere that isn't watching me?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: You buy TV, you want to watch TV, but in turn,
Speaker 1: the TV is watching you. Is there a TV that
Speaker 1: exists today that doesn't watch you in turn?
Speaker 4: Sadly, that's right, most modern smart TVs are. I mean,
Speaker 4: whether they're watching you through the camera and microphone that
Speaker 4: most of them have, or they're just capturing the data
Speaker 4: about what you're watching, you are definitely being surveiled. There's
Speaker 4: been lots of studies on this, and as far as
Speaker 4: I know, Dan know, I'm not aware. I could be
Speaker 4: wrong on this, and it's not something I've researched, but
Speaker 4: I am unaware of any TV manufacturer in the mainstream
Speaker 4: that makes a what I would call dumb TV that
Speaker 4: doesn't connect to the internet. Now, I will say, you know,
Speaker 4: you can buy a smart TV and then just not
Speaker 4: connected to the internet, right, as long as you don't
Speaker 4: configure it to get on your Wi Fi or plug
Speaker 4: a cable into it, then it can't surveil you. But
Speaker 4: then of course it loses a lot of the functionality
Speaker 4: and the cool. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I mean, all I know is
Speaker 1: that all this high tech stuff is supposed to make
Speaker 1: our lives easier, more convenient and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: But my wife and I tried to watch Yellowstone last
Speaker 1: week and we weren't and we weren't able to do it.
Speaker 1: You know, we used to go to this channel, what
Speaker 1: the paramount channel? Turn it on and look, you'll stones
Speaker 1: right there. Now you've got to jump through all these hoops.
Speaker 1: You got to sign up for this service and that service,
Speaker 1: and pay all this money and give me your credit
Speaker 1: card number and all the rest of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: watching TV and watching the show you want to watch
Speaker 1: on TV seems like it's more complicated than it's ever
Speaker 1: been in my lifetime. And I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: really advancement or not.
Speaker 4: I agree with you wholeheartedly, Dan. You know, there have
Speaker 4: been so many times were off the thirty minutes just
Speaker 4: trying to find something to watch. One in the old
Speaker 4: days when I only had like my three UHF and
Speaker 4: my one VH chef champ, I make it say that
Speaker 4: backwards big enough. I went over and I turned to
Speaker 4: diout of TAM nineteen and I watched Willie Walker or whatever.
Speaker 4: That's what I got. Now. I spent forty five minutes
Speaker 4: right just trying to find something I'm with you or
Speaker 4: that I'm this subscription lapsed, right, I don't know the passwords.
Speaker 2: For that that. I hate that. I hate that now, man,
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, interesting enough, I know almost out of time.
Speaker 4: Today is the fifty second anniversary of the Atari Pong
Speaker 4: video game, Paul, remember.
Speaker 1: Point, I remember playing. I remember playing Pong too, and
Speaker 1: I remember being as a little kid. I was amazed
Speaker 1: by that little white dot that would go across go
Speaker 1: across the screen.
Speaker 2: You had to hit it with the paddle, and that
Speaker 2: was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'll tell you what I longed for those days
Speaker 1: when things when you had simple things like Pong and
Speaker 1: you could understand it. Dave Hatter, always great having you on,
Speaker 1: my friend. We as usual we are barely scratching the
Speaker 1: surface of this stuff, but it's always great having you on.
Speaker 2: If people want to find out more about you, where
Speaker 2: do they do that?
Speaker 4: In trust it dot com or just find me on
Speaker 4: extra LinkedIn. I'm always trying to share this kind of
Speaker 4: stuff out there and hopefully help people prevent and protect
Speaker 4: themselves from all the crazy stuff that's going on.
Speaker 1: All right, well, Dave Hatter, I absolutely love it, and again,
Speaker 1: thanks for the time. Buddy, and we'll talk again before
Speaker 1: too long. Always my pleasure, Dan, Thanks all right, there
Speaker 1: you go, the one and only Dave Hatter one twenty
Speaker 1: seven late for a break, seven hundred WLW back on
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Speaker 1: for Bill Cunningham. Today and on this day after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about a lot of things that we
Speaker 1: should be grateful for, and I think one of the
Speaker 1: things we should be grateful for is that our United
Speaker 1: States military will get down to serious business once again.
Speaker 1: Here to talk about that and more is John Mills.
Speaker 1: He has retired colonel and he is a national security professional.
Speaker 1: He's written a couple of different books. And John Mills,
Speaker 1: Colonel Mills, it is great to have you on the
Speaker 1: show once again, sir.
Speaker 4: How are you, hey, Dan, Thank you and honor to
Speaker 4: be on the show again.
Speaker 2: Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5: Had a great Thanksgiving as a wonderful restaurant on Skyline
Speaker 5: Drive in Virginia, and we've done that like three years
Speaker 5: in a row, just on the National Perk Service. They
Speaker 5: have a wonderful restaurant there on the Skyline Drive, a great, great.
Speaker 2: Meal and a great deal outstanding. That is outstanding.
Speaker 1: Wrote on your substack about these drones that have been
Speaker 1: flying over US military bases in the UK.
Speaker 2: Give me an update on that.
Speaker 1: And you know, I look at this story and it
Speaker 1: seems that there's a lot of places where these it
Speaker 1: is just kind of a you know, maybe something that's
Speaker 1: not very important, something that is not that big of
Speaker 1: a deal. But I look at this as a former
Speaker 1: military guy myself, and I think this is this is
Speaker 1: a serious issue that that that we have such a
Speaker 1: lack of leadership right now that these things are allowed
Speaker 1: to happen, and you combine it with the Chinese balloon,
Speaker 1: not one, but multiple it turns out that have flown
Speaker 1: over the United States uncontested. I mean this, this lack
Speaker 1: of leadership, I thank god is coming to an end
Speaker 1: in the in the very near future and the US
Speaker 1: military can get back to the serious business once again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 5: So, Dan, Yeah, this is very concerning now in the
Speaker 5: UK story of the three Royal Air Force bases, where
Speaker 5: we have the bulk of our US Air Force europe
Speaker 5: power nowadays. They actually flew over the fence line and
Speaker 5: over the bases, which means they were fine over the
Speaker 5: aircraft on the tarmac. Now Lake and Heath have some
Speaker 5: hardened aircraft shelters that hopefully some of the aircraft that
Speaker 5: were on the on the ground distributed into the Milden Hall.
Speaker 5: We have a lot of larger airframe aircraft that we
Speaker 5: don't have. We don't have armored shelters for them to
Speaker 5: be in. They are extremely vulnerable, so for them to
Speaker 5: cross the fence line is huge. Now that's you know,
Speaker 5: from what I understand so far with Picatinny Arsenal in
Speaker 5: New Jersey and then what happened in the.
Speaker 4: Virginia Beach area. They did not cross the fence line
Speaker 4: of any God or US government facility. I don't believe so,
Speaker 4: or at least if not been publicly acknowledged.
Speaker 5: So this is sophisticated. These are not UFOs, These are
Speaker 5: not hobby shoppers. I would say, I'd have to point
Speaker 5: to China or a proxy working for China. They are
Speaker 5: testing us the pensul Act of War and we have
Speaker 5: service members, civilians, contractors who are at risk and the
Speaker 5: combat platforms. It could be wiped out in seconds if
Speaker 5: these copters were armed, Broach dropped ordinance on top of them.
Speaker 5: This is this is insanity. So this is a failure
Speaker 5: of so many ways, the failure of the Inner Agency
Speaker 5: now in the UK were kind of dependent upon the
Speaker 5: UK to provide that products the agreement and the Status
Speaker 5: Forces agreement. And I noticed it's interesting they crossed the
Speaker 5: fence line in the UK. It did not appear to
Speaker 5: or at least it's not been not public report they
Speaker 5: crossed the fence line in the two known incidents in America.
Speaker 5: But if you also study the Baltic Sea, which is
Speaker 5: close by.
Speaker 4: As you go to the.
Speaker 5: Danish passage to go into the Baltic, ships passed close
Speaker 5: by to these airfields, and the Baltic has become a
Speaker 5: Chinese lake because of an overstretched, under resourced, woke US Navy.
Speaker 5: I think the likely starting point with the UK is
Speaker 5: a ship. And again you have the Yping three, which
Speaker 5: is essentially stopped right now by different NATO vessels because
Speaker 5: it just broke two major undersea cables in the Baltic.
Speaker 5: But if you study the path and the traffic of
Speaker 5: the commercial shipping it comes, and if they if they
Speaker 5: went when they came out of the caddying at and
Speaker 5: sterea rat out of.
Speaker 4: The Datish passage, if they went left, they go right
Speaker 4: by these bases. If they go north for the Arctic,
Speaker 4: they go north to the Arctic. It's a little way.
Speaker 4: But they've been turning off their ai s. This is
Speaker 4: essentially criminal activity when China and Russian and irane in
Speaker 4: Venezuela and turn off their ai s.
Speaker 1: Colonel, let me ask you this. It's it's not as
Speaker 1: if drones are not exactly new. We we are well aware.
Speaker 1: I mean, the United States have been flying drones in
Speaker 1: a military capacity for what a couple of decades now
Speaker 1: probably more.
Speaker 2: But thet this says.
Speaker 1: To me that that we do not have an effective
Speaker 1: policy in place to deal with incidents like this, or
Speaker 1: maybe we do and and we didn't rely on that
Speaker 1: policy to deal with these sorts of incidents. And again,
Speaker 1: you look at I look at this as you know,
Speaker 1: is this another probing action or are we seeing the
Speaker 1: you know, these probing actions? And why would how could
Speaker 1: we be so lax as to not have a policy
Speaker 1: in place to deal with something like this the moment
Speaker 1: that it happened.
Speaker 4: Oh my my darn, don't get me going on this
Speaker 4: this topic. Okay, Now, now we've got to separate out
Speaker 4: because in the UK, it's actually the Brits that are
Speaker 4: responsible for security of our basis of shame on them.
Speaker 6: But in the U.
Speaker 5: In the US and domestic drone security is totally everybody
Speaker 5: likes to, you know, drink their loudmouse soup and bellow
Speaker 5: on social media there shut it down. Well, yeah, that's
Speaker 5: you're not We're not going to use a twenty millimeters
Speaker 5: gatling gun in the domestic airspace.
Speaker 4: But what we need to do is get the DOGE
Speaker 4: in on this Department of Government efficiencies because this has
Speaker 4: been debated inside the White House for almost three years,
Speaker 4: of domestic drone security, because it's intermingled with the trending
Speaker 4: topic of topic of urban air mobility, which includes package delivery,
Speaker 4: but it also includes kind of uber for the air.
Speaker 4: And it appears that NASA is leading the interagency dialogue
Speaker 4: at the White House.
Speaker 5: We need the DOGE to put some pressure on them
Speaker 5: to give them a timeline of forty five days twenty
Speaker 5: four to seven. You guys and girls, have this issue
Speaker 5: resolved on roles and missions and who's doing what. I've
Speaker 5: been to this before the White House. This is all
Speaker 5: about roles and missions of who does what in the
Speaker 5: US government. And right now there are spotty legal authorities
Speaker 5: spread across four different departments Department of Justice, Department of
Speaker 5: Homeland Security, Department of Energy, and Department of Dessense. And
Speaker 5: it's very spaty and porous. So we do not have
Speaker 5: pervasive drone protection inside the United States. And it's not
Speaker 5: just shut that down.
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to we have to use innovation advanced
Speaker 4: technology here. Because anybody wants to volunteer their house to
Speaker 4: have a bunch of twenty milimeters rounds explode above, you know,
Speaker 4: just you know, send your volunteer house to the dose
Speaker 4: so we can do such a test. But this is
Speaker 4: we can't have a bunch of you know, rockets, missiles
Speaker 4: and cannon fire over residential territory. We're gonna have a.
Speaker 5: Lot of civilian casualties. So we've got to figure this out.
Speaker 5: That they've been debating about this at the White House
Speaker 5: for almost three years. Debate time is over come to
Speaker 5: action assign who does what in the US government.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, maybe I'm old fashioned on this,
Speaker 1: but it seems to me that base security is something
Speaker 1: that falls on the base commander, and especially when you
Speaker 1: talk about in the installations that we have in the
Speaker 1: UK and other parts, especially anywhere overseas. That seems to
Speaker 1: me like it ought to be a top priority for
Speaker 1: you know, the what is it usually a one star
Speaker 1: or a two star that is in charge of a
Speaker 1: base of that sort of important.
Speaker 4: No, actually, no, actually no, it's actually incorrect. It's actually
Speaker 4: normally an six and it's normally a cranky six.
Speaker 5: It's trying to finish out their time without appearing on
Speaker 5: the cover of Navy Times or Air Force Times or
Speaker 5: Army Times as the latest person charged with this or that.
Speaker 5: It's a hard job.
Speaker 4: But the legality, and this is where I mentioned this,
Speaker 4: it's the UK that's responsible for banks defense, not US.
Speaker 2: Wow in the UK.
Speaker 5: Now, in the US, a dood can't do anything until
Speaker 5: some kind of an authorized flight object crosses that imaginary
Speaker 5: fence line. If you draw a line straight up from
Speaker 5: the fence, they can't do anything. And that's the problem
Speaker 5: is because in the seventeen days in December of twenty
Speaker 5: twenty three, according to public reports, they never cross the
Speaker 5: fence line of the US government government installation, so illegally
Speaker 5: can't do anything. So that's what we got to figure out.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the the incoming administration, and
Speaker 1: I think, uh, all you know, all the wokeness, all
Speaker 1: the DEI, all the proper pronoun usage, all this, uh
Speaker 1: you know, the the transgenderism that is going on in
Speaker 1: the United States military right now. Hopefully all of that
Speaker 1: is about to change. And I think Pete Hegseth is
Speaker 1: going to be a great Secretary of Defense. I think
Speaker 1: you'll he'll take that mission very seriously to wipe this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff out of the military that really is
Speaker 1: distracting from what should be the main mission of the military.
Speaker 1: And I think for too long now that we've been
Speaker 1: away from that, and I think only maybe through luck
Speaker 1: or timing or whatever, that it really has a bitterness
Speaker 1: that hard.
Speaker 5: What say you, well, and I had, I had pieces
Speaker 5: come out, and Gateway punted on both the drone issue
Speaker 5: and then on this issue. What you're talking about is
Speaker 5: called a plucking. A plucking and that's.
Speaker 4: Where we have a review of we have a poison,
Speaker 4: that we have a cancer, a sickness. It's called woke this.
Speaker 4: Now you've got folks.
Speaker 5: Who will angrily deny that such something exists. But these
Speaker 5: are the same kind of people who denied that Antifa existed. Oh, no,
Speaker 5: wocism is a real thing. And we're spending a lot
Speaker 5: of time and resources. The budget spend on dud and
Speaker 5: the intelligent community is going way up, and yet we're
Speaker 5: less secure. Why we have this toxic cancer of wocism
Speaker 5: that's creating this huge Drake coefficient. So we have to
Speaker 5: go through and you know, the legacy media is going, oh,
Speaker 5: they're going to fire generals. Hey, guess what. One, there's
Speaker 5: absolutely legal authority of a president to do that. And two,
Speaker 5: we actually have multiple historical presences to do just such
Speaker 5: a thing. Before World War One and World War.
Speaker 4: Two, the generals actually did literally call a plucking board
Speaker 4: where they did mass reviews of general officers and told
Speaker 4: a number of them to retire and they replaced them
Speaker 4: with others that they thought were more ready.
Speaker 5: So the absolute legal presidents to do this. And now
Speaker 5: I'm going all the way back to President Lincoln choosing
Speaker 5: General Ulysses S. Grant, who came back on board after
Speaker 5: being forced out of the service with an alcohol charge,
Speaker 5: came back in to swap the deep state at the
Speaker 5: time in the Civil War, and the army.
Speaker 4: Hated US Grant and yet essentially was a plunking.
Speaker 5: You know, we would be two countries today if President
Speaker 5: Lincoln had not said, I am going to disregard everything
Speaker 5: the General say, and I'm going to replace and I'm
Speaker 5: going to bring in US grant. This is absolute legal authority.
Speaker 5: So this is going to change everything. It's the right
Speaker 5: thing to do, huge legal presidents, and it's absolutely in
Speaker 5: the in the Constitution, in US law. Absolutely this can
Speaker 5: be done. So we need a plucking. But that also
Speaker 5: includes not just the general's animals, includes the career civilians.
Speaker 5: We got to address the military academy. We got to
Speaker 5: address all these advisory boards, and we've got to address
Speaker 5: all these think tanks that they help.
Speaker 4: This is where the cancer incubated and spread was at
Speaker 4: the academy was at the same well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, And don't even get me started
Speaker 1: on the academies. I mean, that is going to be
Speaker 1: something that I think is going to hurt us in
Speaker 1: the long run if things don't get changed. And I
Speaker 1: think we've got someone serious in there now who is
Speaker 1: going to take this in the in the seriousness that
Speaker 1: that needs to happen. Colonel Mills, we have to run. Well,
Speaker 1: we're up against the clock, but always great having you on, sir,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate the effort. If someone wants to find
Speaker 1: out more about you, where do they do that?
Speaker 4: Dan?
Speaker 5: Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Colonel Rec John, Colonel Rit John two on S, Colonel
Speaker 4: Ret John two on X, Colonel Rhett John on Substack,
Speaker 4: Colonel rht John on Substack, also Colonel Ret John on
Speaker 4: the Get Her In Truth X and Substack. All right,
Speaker 4: and then I'll sell my books, the nation will follow
Speaker 4: and war against the deep State.
Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, Colonel John Mills. Always great having
Speaker 1: you answer, and we will do it again before too
Speaker 1: long now one fifty four Dan Carroll for Billtnningham, seven
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Speaker 1: the great American and joints and time off.
Speaker 2: Glad that you are here with me. On the day
Speaker 2: after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Sean McMahon is running the big board in the seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW Command Center, so I'm always thankful for him
Speaker 1: being there. I'm always thankful for my next guest who
Speaker 1: is joining us now. Scott Powell has worked in the corporate, academic,
Speaker 1: and research worlds. He is currently a Senior Fellow at
Speaker 1: the Center on Wealth and Poverty, also a Senior Fellow
Speaker 1: at the Discovery Institute. His book is Rediscovering America at
Speaker 1: Scott Powell. Welcome again to seven hundred WLW, especially on
Speaker 1: this day after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: How are you, sir.
Speaker 8: I'm very well, Dan, and there's a lot to be
Speaker 8: grateful for. I mean, Thanksgiving is the holiday for to
Speaker 8: express gratitude.
Speaker 2: It is. It is absolutely great to be with you.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: The great Rush Limbaugh on Thanksgiving used to tell the
Speaker 1: story of the First Thanksgiving, which he memorialized in his
Speaker 1: I Believe His first book, The Way Things Ought to Be,
Speaker 1: and it tells the story about socialism in the New
Speaker 1: World with the Pilgrims, and how they tried that starting out,
Speaker 1: and how it really didn't work very well and it
Speaker 1: led to literally people starving to death because the output
Speaker 1: was so poor. And then under the leadership of the
Speaker 1: governor then William Bradford, they decided to privatize and and
Speaker 1: let people have private property and also enjoy some of
Speaker 1: the fruits of their labor. And based on that that
Speaker 1: that very simple concept that you could, you know, one
Speaker 1: could work for their own benefit and enjoy private property
Speaker 1: for their own benefit. I mean, really has had a
Speaker 1: profound impact, not just on the United States, but on
Speaker 1: on the entire world.
Speaker 2: Has it not?
Speaker 8: It certainly has, absolutely, you know, it wasn't really the
Speaker 8: pilgrim's choice to own things community. They were directed in
Speaker 8: the agreement that the Virginia Company gave to them and
Speaker 8: a lot of them land which was in northern New Jersey.
Speaker 8: They never made it to the to the you know,
Speaker 8: to that Virginia Company allocation to colonize. Instead, they were
Speaker 8: blown off course and they you know, they settled in Massachusetts,
Speaker 8: so they were really settling a land where they were unauthorized,
Speaker 8: and they sort of had to figure everything out. But
Speaker 8: they still went by what the Virginia Company had directed them,
Speaker 8: which was to own all things in common and to share.
Speaker 8: So that's what they tried to do for two years actually,
Speaker 8: and then then Bradford could see that the results were
Speaker 8: pretty dismal and he made that choice to, you know, basically,
Speaker 8: give every family a parcel of land. And everything worked
Speaker 8: out very well thereafter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joy Reid on MSNBC recently referred to pilgrims as
Speaker 1: illegal aliens.
Speaker 2: Is is that accurate?
Speaker 6: Of course, it's not accurate. I mean.
Speaker 2: It was part of, you know what, I want to
Speaker 2: do something here.
Speaker 1: It was part of her most recent meltdown post election,
Speaker 1: and she was very upset going into the Thanksgiving Day holiday.
Speaker 1: Let me play the sound bite for you, and then
Speaker 1: I want to get your reaction to it. Look on
Speaker 1: my shows, people who listen to me every day, they
Speaker 1: know that I normally do not play clips from Joy Reid.
Speaker 1: I don't play clips in the view either, because it's
Speaker 1: just so stupid and we're all dumber for having heard
Speaker 1: these things. But every once in a while they exceed
Speaker 1: the threshold and I feel compelled to play that. So
Speaker 1: Sean McMahon, let's hear cut number one, please.
Speaker 9: These are the people who say the undocumented, who they
Speaker 9: get to call illegal immigrants like the pilgrims, had permission
Speaker 9: to come here, have to suffer the consequences of their actions.
Speaker 9: Right they made the choice to overstate their visas, are
Speaker 9: coming to our country illegally, so if they get deported.
Speaker 2: Consequences are you?
Speaker 9: Right wingers shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of your votes.
Speaker 9: You don't want to be around me because I voted
Speaker 9: for fascism, No fair coughing on you with COVID, But
Speaker 9: you want me to wear a mask for your safety.
Speaker 9: No fare, my body, my choice.
Speaker 2: Well here's an alternative thought.
Speaker 9: Make your own dinner, mega, make your own sandwiches, wipe
Speaker 9: your own tears, troll amongst yourselves with elon, and leave
Speaker 9: us alone. You got your heart's desire, the president you
Speaker 9: dreamed of and worship instead of Jesus. And this time
Speaker 9: you didn't even have to storm in the capital, smash
Speaker 9: the windows, or try to kill police officers or issue
Speaker 9: death threats to bool workers. See, you did it just
Speaker 9: by voting this time. Congrats, you got your way, and
Speaker 9: he even got away with breaking the law. Yay, But
Speaker 9: if you expect the seventy three million who voted for
Speaker 9: the prosecutor not the felon, and particularly the ninety two
Speaker 9: percent of Black women who voted for Kamala. To give
Speaker 9: you a cookie for your vote, a trophy, a hug,
Speaker 9: a high five, you might be asking too much. If
Speaker 9: we want to eat with you, we will. But if
Speaker 9: we just want some peace over the holidays and we
Speaker 9: don't want to put up with your trolling while we
Speaker 9: eat our tofurky, get over it. Stop acting like we
Speaker 9: owe you, and for God's sakes, stop whining. It's embarrassing
Speaker 9: our thanksgiving, our choice.
Speaker 1: So, Scott Powell, there's a lot to unpack there. I
Speaker 1: find it rich that that she is calling for Mega
Speaker 1: to leave her alone, when for how long now has
Speaker 1: the left and the liberals in this country been looking
Speaker 1: to shove their agenda down our throat, come hell or
Speaker 1: high water.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, If anything, the folks on the among the MAGA
Speaker 8: movement have probably been more respectful of diverse views, not
Speaker 8: wanting to shove their ideas and down anyone's throat, but rather,
Speaker 8: you know, show the way of life that attracts people naturally.
Speaker 8: I mean, do you know many people that call themselves
Speaker 8: progressive and liberal who really are happy people.
Speaker 2: No, that's a good point. No, I don't.
Speaker 8: And and you go to a Trump rally where all
Speaker 8: the Maga people are, you know, they're everybody there's maga, okay,
Speaker 8: And what do you experience? This amazing joy? It's like
Speaker 8: it's it's like a big family. I mean, it's positive energy,
Speaker 8: it's affirming. So give me a break. Whoever this commentator was,
Speaker 8: uh your analysis and to argue that that the colonists
Speaker 8: were illegal immigrants. First of all, North America was there
Speaker 8: was no nation here.
Speaker 4: There were there were.
Speaker 8: There were There were a lot of different Indian tribes
Speaker 8: and each one had their territory. And in fact, the
Speaker 8: you know, in many ways, God guided the pilgrims to
Speaker 8: the very place where there wasn't uh an Indian tribe
Speaker 8: to displace the Indian tribe that had lived there on
Speaker 8: this terrific parcel of land because there was a natural
Speaker 8: stream running through it. You know, you need fresh water.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 8: They were white out by some sort of pandemic several
Speaker 8: years before, so the whole tribe was gone, and this
Speaker 8: land was there, and the pilgrim said, this is a
Speaker 8: great place to settle, and the other Indian tribes that
Speaker 8: were around there turned out to be friendly towards the newcomers,
Speaker 8: and that's how it all unfolded. I mean, the story
Speaker 8: of the Pilgrims is a remarkable story of peace with
Speaker 8: the Indians. As a matter of one of the first
Speaker 8: or as a business that they did was a fifty
Speaker 8: year agreeing to a fifty year peace treaty between the
Speaker 8: Indians and the Pilgrims, and both sides agreed, and that
Speaker 8: treaty was honored for more than fifty years.
Speaker 2: How about that.
Speaker 1: So it's funny the way the truth just sort of
Speaker 1: takes all that whole rant apart, piece by piece. So
Speaker 1: when you know, when you hear things like this and
Speaker 1: she's talking about leave us alone, make your own sandwiches,
Speaker 1: do this for you, and thinking, I'm thinking to myself, well,
Speaker 1: you know, Mega and conservatives are more than happy to
Speaker 1: do things. In fact, we long to do things for
Speaker 1: ourselves and not have to turn our eyes to Washington,
Speaker 1: DC or the state capital for daily directions on how
Speaker 1: to conduct our lives and conduct our business.
Speaker 8: That's really what distinguishes us, and it is the most
Speaker 8: attractive quality among the values. The culture of Maga perhaps
Speaker 8: one of the most attractive qualities is that the movement
Speaker 8: really believes in the people and empowering the people to
Speaker 8: be all that they can be.
Speaker 6: And that was the vision in the Declaration.
Speaker 8: Of Independence, articulated so clearly that people had the right
Speaker 8: to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that this
Speaker 8: was an unalienable right, not provided by the state, but
Speaker 8: an unable the right given by God. That all people
Speaker 8: should be free to become all that they wanted to be,
Speaker 8: to fulfill their dreams, and that all people had equal value.
Speaker 8: That's also articulated in the Declaration. Now, it wasn't realized
Speaker 8: because you know, slavery came in to the New World
Speaker 8: that actually first came in as indentured servants that would
Speaker 8: be freed. But in any case, we know what happened
Speaker 8: in the South. Agriculture required a lot of labor, and
Speaker 8: slavery grew there. And so when the Declaration of Independence
Speaker 8: was proclaimed, the fact is that we couldn't live up
Speaker 8: to that ideal. But that vision was never lost, and
Speaker 8: in fact we fought a civil war over it. The
Speaker 8: slaves were freed, but even then in reconstruction there was
Speaker 8: still ill will between the North and the South, and
Speaker 8: there was discrimination will into the twentieth century. But then
Speaker 8: God raised up another man that was Martin Luther King Junior,
Speaker 8: who proclaimed that he looked forward to the time when
Speaker 8: his children and grandchildren would be judged by the quality
Speaker 8: of their character and.
Speaker 6: The not the color of their skin.
Speaker 8: And frankly speaking, America is probably the least racist country
Speaker 8: in the world. If you travel outside the United States
Speaker 8: to other countries, you'll find that racism is far worse.
Speaker 8: And America has been a country of assimilation. It's really
Speaker 8: an incredible you know, the values that were that were
Speaker 8: at the foundation of our country have really they haven't
Speaker 8: been perfectly born out, but probably more better than almost
Speaker 8: any other nation. And there's opportunities. Look look at how
Speaker 8: this country has provided opportunities people of all races. I mean,
Speaker 8: there are black billionaires in America today. Who would have thought,
Speaker 8: who would have thought, you know, even fifty years ago,
Speaker 8: that was possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, it's it's interesting because you know,
Speaker 1: you and I listened to this clip and Joy read
Speaker 1: and we and we laugh at it and we find it,
Speaker 1: we find humor in it. And I think part of
Speaker 1: the reason is is because I know, at least to
Speaker 1: my way of thinking, is that she can sit and
Speaker 1: criticize all she wants. She can say, Mega is this
Speaker 1: you know you voted for the fascist, is what she said.
Speaker 1: But under this fascist named Donald Trump, she is going
Speaker 1: to benefit mightily. She is going to enjoy economic prosperity,
Speaker 1: probably unlike anything that she has certainly over the last
Speaker 1: four years and maybe over her lifetime. I think Trump
Speaker 1: is serious about taking the reins of the economy and
Speaker 1: doing things that maybe he was slow walking his first
Speaker 1: administration thinking that he would have another four years to
Speaker 1: back it up. But I think he's of this mindset
Speaker 1: now that he wants to get things done so quickly.
Speaker 1: So people like Joy Reid and people like Mourning Joe,
Speaker 1: and people like Rachel Maddow and Jake Tapper, they are
Speaker 1: all going to benefit. They like they already all of
Speaker 1: them make millions of dollars a year, and they are
Speaker 1: going to benefit and enjoy the benefits. And we know
Speaker 1: that life for them is over the next four years
Speaker 1: is going to be uh, it's going to be better
Speaker 1: for everyone, and and so they're going to enjoy those
Speaker 1: benefits just like everyone else is. And to me, that
Speaker 1: makes it a lot easier to to to stomach and
Speaker 1: listen to criticism like this.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I think we're going to find that
Speaker 8: that things continue to change and evolve, and I hope that,
Speaker 8: you know, the critics of the so called MAGA movement
Speaker 8: Donald Trump uh, become humble and begin to reflect on
Speaker 8: the values that are represented by Donald Trump and the
Speaker 8: MAGA movement are really core values of America. They trace
Speaker 8: all the way back to the beginning of the country.
Speaker 8: And and don't we want to empower people? Don't We
Speaker 8: don't we want to get government off people's back and
Speaker 8: empower people to be all.
Speaker 6: That they can be.
Speaker 8: That doesn't mean we don't take care of the indigent.
Speaker 8: You know, we have, you know, a social welfare state
Speaker 8: that has probably been more generous than almost any other
Speaker 8: in the world. And one could argue that it's been
Speaker 8: counterproductive in the way that it was structured, and maybe
Speaker 8: we'll get some reform there. But we're a caring people
Speaker 8: and we're always going to take care of people in
Speaker 8: our country. And so I think the next four years
Speaker 8: are going to just be amazing. And I think that
Speaker 8: it almost was God's providence that Donald Trump for whatever reason,
Speaker 8: would not have his second term right, you know, back
Speaker 8: to back with his first term that he had to
Speaker 8: have four years off. Because the man is a great student.
Speaker 8: He learned a great deal through his experience. He's reflected
Speaker 8: on it. He's put in place a very strong team
Speaker 8: very quickly. And I think that more will be accomplished
Speaker 8: in this second term, in which they're not sequential terms,
Speaker 8: then would have been accomplished had the second term been
Speaker 8: a sequential term. So I'm very optimistic that this is
Speaker 8: going to be you know, this is going to be
Speaker 8: a great comeback for America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I think that is an excellent observation. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to do something I don't normally do here,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to say something nice about Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: I saw a headline as I was preparing for the
Speaker 1: show today in The Federalist, and it talks about Democrats
Speaker 1: are urging Biden to sabotage Trump on his way out.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden is a lot of things.
Speaker 1: I think deep down inside, I don't think he's really
Speaker 1: that good of a human being, but I think from
Speaker 1: a political sense that this is something that is foreign
Speaker 1: to him. I don't think he really has an appetite
Speaker 1: to sabotage Trump on his way out. I think he
Speaker 1: went along with the sabotage that Barack Obama put in
Speaker 1: place on his way out. I think he was part
Speaker 1: and parcel of that. But I think for his own legacy,
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants that. Maybe I'm maybe I'm
Speaker 1: reading him wrong, but maybe this will be a chance
Speaker 1: for his legacy to at least do something decent and
Speaker 1: not go along with these efforts to sort of stack
Speaker 1: the deck against Trump. As he exits the scene in Washington,
Speaker 1: what do you think.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I want to I would want to
Speaker 8: agree with you. I think that analysis is certainly a
Speaker 8: very positive has a kind of a positive quality to it,
Speaker 8: and I always want to think well of other people.
Speaker 8: And the fact, you know, sometimes you know, when we
Speaker 8: when we uh turn the cheek, if you will, good
Speaker 8: things happen.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 8: I think it's it's hard to know about Joe Biden.
Speaker 8: I feel you know, I think I think we all
Speaker 8: feel a bit we have compassion for him simply because
Speaker 8: he's an elderly man that clearly is in the declining
Speaker 8: state of life mentally, and he you know, he isn't
Speaker 8: in full control of of what he right.
Speaker 1: And then in this way, maybe I'm thinking maybe he's
Speaker 1: going to have a moment of clarity, He's going to
Speaker 1: realize this and say I'm not going to go along
Speaker 1: with this, and and that may be the thing that
Speaker 1: that winds up defining him for all of history. But
Speaker 1: Scott Powell, we are up against the clock. I can't
Speaker 1: thank you enough for joining me here on the day
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving. It is always great to have you on
Speaker 1: my friend, and I will certainly it really is. I'll
Speaker 1: certainly look forward to the time the next time we
Speaker 1: get a chance to do it again. But until then,
Speaker 1: all the best to you and take care of yourself
Speaker 1: and we will talk to you down the road.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Dan.
Speaker 1: All Right, there you go, the one and only Scott
Speaker 1: Powell of the Discovery Institute. And again his book is
Speaker 1: called Rediscovering America. I would encourage you to check that out.
Speaker 1: That is it for me. I got to get out
Speaker 1: of here and enjoy some NFL football coming up. And
Speaker 1: until then, Sean mcmahn, thank you for everything that you
Speaker 1: did today, and everyone have a great Friday and a
Speaker 1: great weekend. We'll see you again on seven hundred WLW.
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