WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.679 --> 00:00:06.360 Welcome Friends Podcast podcast. 2 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:20.480 Zaki y they're talking about today an alien ship attacked Earth? 3 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:29.320 Should we be nervous? Yeah? What showdown? Earth is not 4 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:31.760 for the taking because I guess they didn't get the 5 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:43.840 message the first time. That is definitely bigger than the 6 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:49.719 last one. Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My 7 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:51.719 name is Zaki is Son. I'm here with Brian Hall. Hey. 8 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:52.759 How's it going, Zachie? 9 00:00:53.159 --> 00:01:01.159 Brian? Are you ready to celebrate our Independence Day again? Yeah? Yeah, 10 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:04.760 we're talking of course about Independence Day Resurgence, the sequel 11 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:09.879 to Independence Day that I think that most people there's 12 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:14.079 been like a neuralizer men in black thing, Yeah, where 13 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:17.000 people don't realize it exists. Yeah. 14 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:19.480 I wonder if people I mentioned to a few people 15 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:21.319 that we were going to be talking about this and 16 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:23.599 they either hadn't seen it or had forgotten about it. 17 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:25.200 I mean, yeah, this movie doesn't exist. 18 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:30.840 Basically, it had zero cultural footprint. Yeah, negative cultural footprint. 19 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:33.879 I think it made people retroactively forget about the first one. 20 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:35.000 Which is a shame. 21 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:38.560 I would agree that's a shame. So naturally I was like, hey, 22 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:43.159 you know what might be kind of fun. This is 23 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:46.959 my plan for us to just kill our algorithmic search. 24 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:56.799 That's the goal. Yeah. So you know, it's Independence Day 25 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:59.519 eve as we're recording this, and we're like, what better 26 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:04.599 way to celebrate then by watching the sequel to Independence Day? 27 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:07.959 Well, I gotta say, I mean, we do all sorts 28 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:11.280 of movies. We do, even when we do our commentaries, 29 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:15.240 and some are beloved, you know, movies by us, and 30 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:18.159 some are Oh, I haven't seen this since the nineties, 31 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:21.280 let's revisit that. And when you brought this up, I 32 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:23.840 was like, you know, yeah, this is just one of 33 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:26.319 those strange films where I know I saw it, I 34 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:28.240 don't remember a thing about it. Like you said, it's 35 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:32.159 left no cultural footprint some kind of I mean, why not, 36 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:36.120 like it could be kind of a fun autopsy a 37 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:38.800 little bit, Yeah, you know, digging into it. Why isn't 38 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:41.560 Will Smith in this? You know, all sorts of all 39 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:44.360 the iterations over the years trying to get this made, 40 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:46.400 and what they eventually were like, look, it's now or never, 41 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.400 make whatever we can in this moment here you go. 42 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:52.639 It's just kind of I'm looking forward to talking about 43 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:59.400 this with you. As I was rewatching this to get 44 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:05.960 prepped for this, I texted you might this be the 45 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:10.159 worst movie we've ever done a commentary track for? And 46 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.400 I bear in mind I'm saying this mere weeks after 47 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:18.520 we did the nineteen eighty four Supergirl, right, which is 48 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:19.599 saying something. 49 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:23.840 It is which I look forward to trying to put 50 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:27.439 into words. Yeah, you know, I definitely have feelings about it. 51 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:32.479 Why it doesn't land at all, whereas the first one 52 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:35.080 is I would say pretty beloved. 53 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:43.120 I think to the people who experienced it, it is beloved, right, 54 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.280 I don't I get I don't know that it's it's 55 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:51.199 taken on evergreen status all a other holiday you know, favorites. Yeah, 56 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:54.280 that's a good point. That's a good point. But hey, 57 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:56.840 we're gonna we're gonna try to figure this out. It's 58 00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:58.439 been ten years, it's been for both of us. It 59 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:01.159 has been ten years since we saw this the first time. 60 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:04.759 Coming at it with fresh eyes, we're ten years older, 61 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:07.120 maybe wiser, I don't know. 62 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:10.240 Oh, and I also have to mention the selling point, 63 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:12.159 the thing to put me over the edge that Zechi said. 64 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:15.080 I was like, Okay, I think this could be an 65 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:18.240 interesting conversation, but like, man, I can't imagine, you know, 66 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.759 two hours and twenty minutes of this thing, and. 67 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:23.800 A minute later you're like, Brian, I just checked. It's 68 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:31.000 under two hours. I'll take it. Brian's like sold. So, hey, 69 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:33.920 we're watching Independencday Resurgence. If you want to watch along 70 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:37.000 with us, you can. I wouldn't necessarily recommend that. No, 71 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:41.759 just hang out with us on this Independence Day exactly. Yeah, 72 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:45.319 hopefully we'll have a fun discussion. I suspect we'll we'll 73 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:50.240 learn a lot, We'll learn things about each other. Yeah, 74 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:57.199 you know our capacity for tolerating poor, baffling creative choices. 75 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:59.920 I think a lot of that will be will be unveiled. 76 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:02.639 Mm hmm. But here we go. Let's do this. Let's 77 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:06.600 do this alrighty, So we are watching the one and 78 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:11.879 only cut of Independence Day Resurgence. So here we go. 79 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:13.600 We'll do the usual thing. We'll hit play on three 80 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:16.519 one two three play. 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So 91 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.040 patreon dot com slash MOVIEFILM podcast. 92 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:51.000 Well we will do the usual thing on three, Brian, 93 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.240 you're ready, I'm ready, all right, So again we'll go 94 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:58.199 one two three play, So one two three play. 95 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:01.360 All right. 96 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.199 Twenty century Fox. I was thinking, wow, strange that doesn't 97 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:05.560 exist anymore, I. 98 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:13.480 Know, and this franchise doesn't exist anymore. Yeah, it is 99 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:18.800 remarkable that the first film when it came out, I 100 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:21.519 mean it was it was a cultural moment. We talked 101 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:23.439 about this before. If you folks want to hear our 102 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:25.639 thoughts on that, get back five years. We did our 103 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.680 commentary track for the original Inependency and there was a 104 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:33.319 desire obviously for a sequel right away. Yeah. 105 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:36.439 Well, that movie in nineteen ninety six made eight hundred 106 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:40.680 and seventeen million worldwide. It was it was a smash 107 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:41.360 smash hit. 108 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:46.600 So that's a billion plus today, yeah, right, and new 109 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:50.720 to theaters, not based on anything hmm, yeah, that's a 110 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:56.399 big deal. Yep. Right, so at that time, you know, 111 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:59.959 it's we have to cast our gaze back a little bit. 112 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.839 Will Smith was the top build star, but he wasn't 113 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:09.439 the above the title star. He was one of an ensemble. 114 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:12.600 And you know, we forget that because that was what 115 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.199 that was, the movie that was instrumental in launching him 116 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:20.560 into stardom. And so you realize how much he brought 117 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:25.639 to that film with how much is missing from this film. 118 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:31.560 There's a Will Smith shaped hole in the entire movie. 119 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:36.000 Yes, you know, yeah, and apparently, I mean, who knows. 120 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:40.800 But according to Will Smith and a BBC interview, it 121 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:44.560 was a scheduling conflict. Yeah, and I think it basically 122 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:48.680 came down to either this or suicide squad. Yeah, so 123 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.800 that's possible. Maybe they didn't want to pay him what 124 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:55.639 he was worth it that moment. But so imagine you're 125 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.879 trying to make an Independence Day sequel and you write 126 00:07:57.920 --> 00:07:59.920 it for Will Smith, and Will Smith can't do it. 127 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:04.000 I mean, where do you even begin, right, coming up 128 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:05.680 with a news story without him in it. 129 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:10.439 Well, what I read, just just to add on to 130 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:13.360 what you're saying, the plan originally was to shoot two 131 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.079 movies back to back, right, which you can totally tell 132 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:19.959 at the end of this one. Absolutely, And he he 133 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:25.959 wanted fifty million for two movies, which I have to 134 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:31.000 say probably would have been worth it. I think, I 135 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:35.759 think still in that moment in twenty sixteen, exactly having 136 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:38.600 him in these movies would have at least got you 137 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:43.000 your money back. I agree with that, you know, for 138 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:47.720 the promotional opportunities, everything else, all of the what he 139 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:50.399 would bring to it, just in terms of eyeballs. And again, yeah, 140 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.919 ten years ago he was still one of the biggest 141 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:56.799 stars in the world. Well he still is. Yeah, but 142 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:59.320 it's different, it's different, you know. 143 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:02.080 On that note, I mean, yeah, I don't know what 144 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.519 the next ten years look like for Will Smith. It's 145 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:06.480 a good point, kind of hard at this point, still 146 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:07.360 kind of hard to know. 147 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:13.639 Yeah, you know, well, you know, again, we're spending a 148 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:15.320 lot of time talking about a guy who's not in 149 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:17.919 the movie. But I think Bad Boys a couple of 150 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:20.399 years ago proves that he's still a draw in the 151 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.200 right project. Great point. Yeah, you're right, Like, like if 152 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:25.720 he were to do a Men in Black, I think 153 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:26.720 people would show up, you know. 154 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talk about that, because I you know, 155 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:33.120 we love the Men in Black series, and they put 156 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:33.759 out a fourth one. 157 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:34.759 They tried to do it without him. 158 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:37.840 They tried to do the Born legacy sort of situation, right, 159 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:41.480 did Jeremy rennerd the Men in Black series? And it 160 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:45.519 didn't resonate, didn't take. But I'd be curious if you 161 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:46.240 give it some time. 162 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:50.039 So, you know, Okay, So here we are twenty years later. 163 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:55.320 Now this is this is this production still painting of 164 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:58.799 Will Smith. Mm hmmm. I always loved that when they 165 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:02.799 do that in the movies, you know, yeah, it's like 166 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:07.919 a Henry Jones senior, you know, yeah, totally so. So 167 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:14.320 I feel bad saying this because I'm sure Jesse Usher 168 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:18.960 is a lovely person, but boy did they give him 169 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:22.840 a hill to climb that he just he was he 170 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.679 was unable to surmount. 171 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:30.480 Well, certainly if they expected him to bring Smith's energy 172 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:32.080 to this movie, yeah. 173 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:34.919 Well I think they expected him to bring energy to 174 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:44.200 yeah yeah, yeah, and it's really rough, yeah, you know, yeah, 175 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:47.399 he doesn't feel like a lead that you want to 176 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:51.159 follow for the entire film. They well I said this before, 177 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.840 it was like they they hit you know, Captain Stephen 178 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.000 Hill are on the head, and and he turned into 179 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:00.200 four little squirrels, among them Jesse Usher and then than 180 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:06.200 the Hemsworth boy here right right, and and I I 181 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:09.519 didn't remember being as annoyed by Liam Hemswrith ten years 182 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.240 ago as I was rewatching his character. 183 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:17.159 Cock is Hans solo he's playing here, It's. 184 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:20.600 Like, seriously, yeah again, I'm sure Liam Hemsworth is a 185 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:23.600 nice guy. They gave him nothing to work with other 186 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:29.159 than just here's this archetype, this generic biff archetype. 187 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:33.159 Yeah, you're you're a hot shot maverick, you know, and 188 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:36.200 you're a wise cracker. See, And I think this never 189 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.639 works when you cast someone who isn't actually sort of 190 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:44.639 like that, like Ford is a little disaffected as a human. 191 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:46.120 It's a great point, you know what I mean. So 192 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.799 when he's playing Han solo, it feels like a part 193 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.080 of him he has earned cynicism, earned cynicism. 194 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.840 And even with Will Smith, I mean, he's got this 195 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:59.200 cocky bravado, but he's still so lovable, Like we're with 196 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:01.200 him when he's cock We love it when he's cocky. 197 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.159 Where's some other people when they play cocky we kind 198 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:05.480 of hate them, you know what I. 199 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:08.919 Mean, like some people. That's why these people are movie stars. 200 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:09.960 That's funny. 201 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:13.399 And and so yeah, Liam Hemsworth, I feel like he's 202 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.960 like handsome and he's kind of doing the what's asked 203 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.320 of him, but he doesn't actually exude what it is 204 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:21.879 they want him to do here, and so it just 205 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:22.600 feels false. 206 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:28.000 Yeah, yeah, it's a shame. Yeah, I've said this before, 207 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:30.960 and it just tells you about that family that he's 208 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:35.519 the less attractive Hemsworth, which just really means that family 209 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:36.559 hit the genetic lotto. 210 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.559 That really is saying something. God bless him. 211 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:42.720 I guess I don't know what's funny. I was looking 212 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:46.320 at the friend here at Charlie, yeah, and I was like, oh, 213 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:50.440 it's likable, doomed partner. But he's neither doomed nor likable. 214 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:52.240 So I was I was wrong about this. I like 215 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:53.039 that guy by the way. 216 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:56.039 I was like, see, he's got a natural kind of 217 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:59.879 quirkiness to him. I believe him as the plucky psy 218 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:02.399 kick in the hero shadow that you just kind of love. 219 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:05.120 Anyway, weren't you kind of waiting for him to die though? 220 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:08.679 Oh totally right. Yeah, So I was disappointed he didn't die, 221 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.279 not because I like disliked him in the film, but 222 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:15.279 because I'm like, well, wait a minute, yeah, you didn't 223 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:19.519 do the thing. That's the role, that's what you're here for. Yeah. 224 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:23.360 So okay, this this opening sequence here, I think really 225 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:26.039 for me sums up what I what I said ten 226 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:31.879 years ago was my issue with this film. It's too 227 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:36.000 far removed from what made the original work. So we're 228 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:40.039 watching there's like a moon base here, and cocky kacky 229 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:42.480 Hemsworth boy does a thing to show he's cocky, does 230 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:46.320 he saves them whatever? But this is not the world 231 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:51.039 of Independence Day. Yes, I sorry, I'm gonna let you 232 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:53.279 keep going because we are on the exact same page. 233 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:59.840 What made Independence Day the original one work is you know, 234 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:04.200 for example, the scene when we see the giant mothership's 235 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:09.080 approaching Earth, we're seeing it from the perspective of our 236 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.000 everyday life. Yes, what would it be like to be 237 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:17.200 in Times Square and suddenly this ship rolls up? Right, 238 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:21.559 it's our world? And once we have a moon base 239 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:23.799 and space tugs and all this stuff, Well, it's not 240 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:28.200 our world, right, You've got these helicopters that have like 241 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:34.159 hover technology or whatever, and in universe I understand being like, well, 242 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:38.639 twenty years later, we've retrofitted alien technology. Da you know what, Fine, 243 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:42.000 I get it, but it's too far removed from what 244 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:44.600 made the original work. And by the way, it would 245 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:49.039 be one thing if having retrofitted the alien technology it 246 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:54.200 made even a little bit of difference against the aliens. Yeah, yeah, 247 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.879 it doesn't. Oh that's a good point. I didn't actually 248 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:58.960 think about that totally meaningless. 249 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:00.960 Yeah right. 250 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:05.919 So, so such a weird choice because this, first of all, 251 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:09.200 this looks really expensive. M m. So it's a lot 252 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:10.799 of money you spent for nothing. 253 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:15.480 Yeah, you know, yeah, man, you're so right. I mean 254 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:19.879 that's what struck by was. Man, that trailer was so 255 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:22.120 effective because it's like, what if you walked out into 256 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:25.240 your driveway to pick up your newspaper and a giant 257 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.919 shadow covered you and your entire house. You looked up 258 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:30.840 and there was a spaceship, you know, several miles long, 259 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.960 just hovering over your neighborhood. What if it was what 260 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:36.000 if that was hovering over the White House? 261 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:37.960 Yeah, you know, and. 262 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:42.320 We lose all that groundedness. That the thing we always 263 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:46.240 talk about, the fantasy adventure in your backyard, you know, 264 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:49.679 a real grounded feeling to know seriously, what would we 265 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:53.159 do with what we have and what we understand about reality, 266 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:57.799 with this fantastical situation and seeing humanity all over the 267 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:00.679 world come together and figured it out out and stop, 268 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:05.080 it is really rousing and satisfying, right And in this yeah, 269 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:07.639 it's just I feel like I'm watching like a sci 270 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:11.159 fi channel movie. You know, it's just moon base, like 271 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.360 you said, moon bases and people in these suits, and 272 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:16.720 they aren't as charismatic as the characters in the first film. 273 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:21.919 The photography is somehow blander looking, the vfx are blander looking. 274 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.919 There's just nothing to hold on to, and so it's 275 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:26.399 just it's just yeah. 276 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:29.320 Anyway, Well, there's parts of the film where I was 277 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:31.480 watching and I got this. I was like, did they 278 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:33.720 shoot this during COVID? And then I realized that it's 279 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:35.320 like five years before COVID. 280 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:37.559 Zachi this is I actually wrote this down. I said, 281 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.080 most of this movie looks like that rooftop scene from 282 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:45.399 the movie The Room. It does where it's like these 283 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:51.639 people with that flat lighting, they're clearly somewhere. Yeah, they're 284 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:54.399 not in the location because a lot of times they're outside, 285 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:57.759 but their faces are completely without any harsh lighting from 286 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:01.159 the sun or any silhouettes or shit, it's just flat 287 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:05.960 lighting and then some sort of background dropped in behind them. 288 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.599 And so much of this movie, I mean, I could 289 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.119 forgive a scene or two, but so much of this 290 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:13.599 movie looks like that. And so that just adds to 291 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:15.839 what we're talking about. There's just nothing to hold on 292 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:18.440 to here. You know, even if you could just give 293 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.119 us characters that we cared about, maybe we could. I 294 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:23.240 was thinking, there's this dynamic right where you have that 295 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.319 Chinese pilot and you have Hemsworth and the kid and 296 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:28.240 the whatever. And I was like, Wow, there's like more 297 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:32.359 chemistry and fun, and I feel more for the Dynamics 298 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:37.279 and Starship Troopers, hm, you know, with the Dizzy and 299 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.720 you know, Casper Vandian and all that soap opera stuff 300 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.440 call it. You know, maybe it is soap opry, but 301 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:46.279 I still connect with it. And I feel bad when 302 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:49.200 Dizzy dies, you know, like here it's just they're going 303 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:52.599 for that gang you know at the Academy sort of feel. 304 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.559 But I don't feel anything for any of them. 305 00:17:55.160 --> 00:18:00.480 Yeah, that's that's a great point. And I wonder like 306 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:03.519 it's one of those things where I this is this 307 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.559 was a you know, at least behind the scenes. I mean, 308 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:10.079 you've got Roland Emerick back, you got Dan Devlin back, 309 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:15.119 and presumably they know the world that they created. And 310 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.039 the thought I had watching is maybe this might this 311 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:21.599 film might have been better served by somebody from the 312 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:27.839 subsequent generation making it, you know, right, you know, like 313 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:31.960 how like Radio Silence is doing you know, The Mummy, right, 314 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:34.359 And I mean, who knows how that movie will turn 315 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:35.480 out as we record this, but. 316 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:37.359 Well they did Scream pretty successful. 317 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:42.400 Oh scream there you go, right, Yeah, So having the 318 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:49.440 affinity of a fan because it feels like you watch 319 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:51.640 this and you're like, well, obviously the first one was 320 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.960 like a fluke, yeah, you know. And I say that 321 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.160 because when you look at the totality of Emeric and 322 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:07.559 Devlin Co productions, what do he write got we got 323 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:12.119 from Universal Soldier to The Patriot, I would say the 324 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:14.720 only out and out slam dunk was Independence Day in 325 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:18.680 that mix. Yeah right, I mean, I like The Patriot too, 326 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:20.559 but that's probably second best. But I mean, you know, 327 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:22.960 Godzilla is kind of a you know, it has its issues, 328 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:27.200 and you know, Stargate I think became stronger because of 329 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:29.079 the stuff that they weren't involved in. 330 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.480 You know, all the stuff that came after it. 331 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:33.200 Yeah, like the television show. 332 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:35.799 Yeah, you know, I was. 333 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:41.359 Thinking about their stuff watching this, and for some reason 334 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:42.960 I thought of the movie the day after tomorrow. 335 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:46.599 Yeah, yeah, and in my mind I. 336 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:48.839 Think, oh, yeah, that was kind of it's corny, right, 337 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.079 and it's probably silly and whatever. And then recently I 338 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:53.960 was on a road trip with our friend Shawn and 339 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:55.799 we were at a hotel and we were just like, 340 00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:59.119 I was throwing the TV tired after day driving, and 341 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:01.799 we started that move. It was on like TBS or something, 342 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:04.559 and we watched the whole thing. Yeah, and I was like, 343 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:07.559 you know what, you can you can nitpick some of 344 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:10.799 this stuff, but like it is affecting exactly. 345 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:11.839 These they the. 346 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.759 Characters are archetypes or tropes or whatever you want to 347 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:19.319 call them, but like they are interesting, you know, and 348 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:22.200 when they cast, well, he kind of knows how to 349 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:26.000 make this big, popcorny movie that will translate all over 350 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:26.519 the world. 351 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.319 It's simple enough, but it is captivating. 352 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:30.200 Yeah, you know. 353 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:32.400 So yeah, he is capable of that. He's pretty good 354 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.599 at it. So it's weird that this one feels so 355 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:36.839 far afield from those. 356 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.759 Yeah, because between Independence Day and this if we're talking 357 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:44.519 about just sort of like the disaster porn genre we had, 358 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:47.359 as you said, Day After Tomorrow, which I remember enjoying. 359 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:49.640 I mean I haven't. I haven't revisited since it came out, 360 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:53.000 But you know, Jake Jillen Hall I thought was good 361 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:54.680 in it, and Denis Quaid as the dad. You know, 362 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:00.200 Seale Award. Isn't that too, right, isn't she? Man? And 363 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:02.000 I watched it about a year ago. I don't remember. 364 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:04.160 That's funny. I feel like she's the mom I could 365 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:06.640 man because she's because she's in this that's the only thing. Yeah. Yeah, 366 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:10.680 but also even twenty twelve, Yeah, you know there there's 367 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:14.119 like a it's it's very by the numbers of that 368 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:19.480 type of movie. But I think if we're comparing it 369 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:22.319 to this, it's it's it's better. Yeah. 370 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:24.559 Yeah, I don't remember it very well, if I'm being honest, 371 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:27.759 But yes, I do remember moments from it. That's there's 372 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:31.480 summons you remember, Yes, exactly exactly. I remember Woody Harrelson 373 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:33.920 and John Cuby exactly, Yeah. 374 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:38.400 Right, exactly. And I think that there's a weird like 375 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:42.359 foe Yannishkominski lighting scheme here. 376 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:43.480 In this one. 377 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:47.680 Yeah, yeah, this kind of cold blue. 378 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:50.720 Yea, yeah, and it's you know, the one thing you 379 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:53.880 can say about about the first film is, I mean, 380 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:56.079 it does have CGI in it, but it's fairly limited. 381 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:57.920 And so by virtue of the fact that they were 382 00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:01.200 subject to the limitations of practical effects they did shoot 383 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:07.759 on location, there's a veracity to it that just helps totally. 384 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.799 And I think it's worth noting also, at this point, 385 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:13.240 we can do anything. You can see anything you want 386 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:15.680 on screen. That's what we're capable of. But in nineteen 387 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:19.200 ninety six, seeing a UFO blow up the White House 388 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:24.559 and it looking kind of real was mind blowing. Yeah, 389 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:27.319 you know, that was like really like, I gotta see 390 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:31.119 that movie because I've never seen anything on that scale before, Like, 391 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:33.000 what would it be like if a UFO blow up 392 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:34.720 the White House and it didn't look like cheesy you know, 393 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:39.119 nineteen fifties sci fi whatever, like with this kind of budget, 394 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:42.119 you know, And so it's just funny that that's what 395 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:44.839 I remember about that movie, seeing all the monuments blow 396 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:49.039 up and how crazy and powerful that felt and titillating 397 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:51.240 in a way, you know, And in this one, there's 398 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:54.480 just nothing, nothing on that scale. I mean, none of 399 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.400 the effects really land for me. Well, you know, except 400 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:00.359 for the aliens. I think the aliens are still pretty effective. Actually, 401 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:02.920 it's a great design at the the great design and 402 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:05.759 at the end, when that giant mother or you know, 403 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:07.240 Queen Alien is running. 404 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:09.400 Through the desert, I was like, WHOA, that looks good. 405 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:14.400 It's it's realized effectively. But I don't I don't know 406 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:21.440 how well I buy it within the world of the film. 407 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:22.680 Fair Fair, I maybe just compared to everything else. I 408 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:25.359 thought that I bought that that thing was in that location. 409 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:27.680 Maybe because they paid attention to the lighting, Maybe because 410 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:28.319 there was lighting. 411 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:30.400 I don't know. I like, no, I agree with that 412 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:36.279 for sure. Yeah yeah, but but this so so by 413 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:40.119 the way, pop quiz, what's what's uh? What's Hemsworth's character's name? 414 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:46.319 Hot shot McCool I watched the whole movie and then 415 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:48.519 I had to go to Wikipedia to remind myself what 416 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:52.119 his name was. Jake Morrison. There you go, I had to. 417 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:53.640 I watched the whole thing. I was like, what is 418 00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:58.160 his name? And they say it multiple times? Right, yeah, 419 00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:01.200 but but it's and I really I don't want this 420 00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:02.720 to just be like what was us We didn't get 421 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:08.240 will Smith. But my only point in saying, like Stephen 422 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:12.319 Hiller character is a pretty broad set of tropes as well, right, 423 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:16.839 and yet there's just something that he brought to it 424 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.279 that made it stand up. It made cheesy lines work 425 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:27.559 Welcome to Earth, yeah, right, because because famously Ethan Hawk 426 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:29.599 has said he turned down and they had offered him 427 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:34.000 to Stephen Hiller role. That's wild, right, And and he's like, 428 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:36.799 I thought it was shit. I thought that the lions 429 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:39.960 were crap, and you're, yeah, it's like, well, I can't 430 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:43.279 imagine Ethan Hawk saying welcome to Earth and having it 431 00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:44.279 work in the same way. 432 00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:47.640 You know, he's too close to the energy of Jeff Goldbloom, 433 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:52.000 feeling like someone who's a little that character. Hiller's got bravado, 434 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.599 you know, whereas Goldbloom feels like someone I can relate. 435 00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:57.160 To a little bit more. 436 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:00.720 Yeah, yeah, you know, and so Ethan Hawk also feels 437 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:03.599 a little bit more like the average Joe kind of character. 438 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.880 Yeah. Interesting, Right, I don't know how well that would 439 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:11.680 have worked. Yeah, But like I think, just to just 440 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:13.880 to pick up on what you're saying, right, you've got 441 00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:17.079 our three leads in the first film. You've got Stephen Hiller, 442 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:19.960 you got President Whitmore, you have David Levinson and each 443 00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:23.920 I mean even the President is relatable, right. I think 444 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:27.160 that the angst and the self doubt and stuff makes 445 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:33.680 him a very compelling character. Yeah, and this too, Right, 446 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.519 what they do with the Whitmore character in this it's 447 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:40.319 just like one baffling choice after the other. It's irir 448 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:42.039 And we'll talk about it more, I guess. But but 449 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:47.519 I wondered a little bit like, did did Bill Pullman? 450 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.359 Did he sign on and then they gave him the script? 451 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:52.759 Or were they like, we want to do this with 452 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:54.799 the character and he found it interesting. 453 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:58.599 I could see that on the page, feeling interesting, like 454 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:04.400 you get to play this character again, but he's psychically tortured, right, 455 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:07.279 you know, and then he gets to sacrifice himself. 456 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:10.960 And I could see that being attractive to an actor. 457 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:15.359 I certainly, I don't have a problem with the heroic sacrifice. 458 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:17.079 I do have the problem with the road to that 459 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:21.279 heroic sacrifice, sure, which I'm sure we'll talk about. Okay, 460 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:24.119 So a couple of things about doctor oaken Her. First 461 00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:27.440 of all, his name is Brackish, yes, which I feel 462 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.480 like if you name your kid brackish. I think that's 463 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:33.359 child abuse. I think I think CPS needs to be 464 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:36.839 called at that point. Now we've said this before. He 465 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.559 is one dead in the first film. Is it the 466 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:43.920 last we see of him with the tentacle around the throat, 467 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:49.480 They check his pulse. He's ded dead. Okay, right, Yeah, 468 00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:52.799 so that's fine brand Spiner. I don't mind him in this. 469 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:54.599 In fact, I'll go so far as to say he 470 00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.880 out of all the characters, he gets kind of an arc. Yeah. 471 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:01.519 He Actually it's like a bunch of beats to play. 472 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:05.440 It feels like the energy from the first film. Yeah, returning, 473 00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:08.319 you know, him trying to cut into the thing and 474 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:11.640 finding his favorite sad like that stuff is fun. That's 475 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:14.319 the fun that's missing. I think the personality quirks. 476 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:17.920 I also, I actually really liked William Fickner in this. Yeah, 477 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:18.680 he's good. 478 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:20.480 I wanted to pend on of him. 479 00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:22.599 Well, I think, yeah, William Fickner is one of those 480 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:24.799 guys you plug him in, you know what you're getting, right, 481 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:29.759 character actor's character actor. But like I think that him 482 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.960 going from you know, all the way down here in 483 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:36.880 the chain of succession to suddenly becoming president like that's interesting. 484 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.160 Mm hm, you know. 485 00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:43.559 And maybe doesn't feel as big a moment as it should. 486 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:48.160 That, right, So I think the problem is that they 487 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:51.839 don't make Cela Ward a big enough character. Yeah, like 488 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.440 it should mean something when she. 489 00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:56.400 Dies totally totally like what do we do now? 490 00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:59.839 Yeah, and then him sort of like almost like not 491 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:04.119 that he would be reluctant, but you're, well, now you're 492 00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:06.960 the president of the United States and sort of a 493 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.119 you know, just yeah, but then I'll step up to 494 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:13.480 the plate. Like I can imagine the for these filmmakers 495 00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:18.640 doing that better in other movies, the humanity of it, 496 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.799 what they're actually feeling, they're first Corney's these movies are 497 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:24.440 the humanity is always pretty palpable. 498 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:29.319 Well, so that's the That's what I find odd, right, 499 00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:32.920 Like when you watch the first film, the moments of 500 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:39.759 loss feel like moments of loss, whether whether it's you know, 501 00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:45.160 the aftermath of the attack and you have people sort 502 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:49.680 of taking in the totality of what happened or you know, 503 00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:52.079 and I think I've said this before, one of one 504 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.039 of my favorite lines in the film is after the 505 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:59.240 attack and you've got President Moore on the plane and 506 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.920 and he says, I'm many people died today, how many 507 00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:05.240 of them didn't have to? And and I talk about 508 00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:10.319 just a perfect window into his character. Right, but even 509 00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:16.640 like when uh, what's her name, you know, the wife dies? 510 00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:23.039 Who plays her, Oh Mary Mary Mary McDonald from from 511 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:25.720 Battlestar Galactica, who also, by the way, speaking of like 512 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:28.720 chain of succession. Right in Battlestar Galactica, she's like the 513 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:33.279 secretary of education and then suddenly she becomes the president. 514 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.359 Oh interesting, you know, so and it's a great, you 515 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.079 know moment because she's just completely unequipped for that, you know, 516 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.599 and she's obviously a regular for that whole series. But 517 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.559 when she dies, it's a great moment, you know. And 518 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.960 in this film, I mean, we're about to see it, 519 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:57.359 you know, the big attack happens like minutes from from now, 520 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.039 and it just doesn't anything. 521 00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:04.519 You know, now that the first movie's flashing through my mind, 522 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:09.000 I remember Vivk Fox's stripper friend, remember, and she's like, 523 00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:10.680 I'm gonna go up to the We're all going to 524 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.559 the top of a building. We're gonna go like welcome them. 525 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:16.839 Kirsten Warren, I remember her like she was memorable and 526 00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.039 interesting and she's only like in it for probably a 527 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:21.440 total of you know, fifty five seconds or something. Yeah, 528 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:23.759 and then I remember her being on top of the 529 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:25.960 building and the ship opening and she's. 530 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:29.400 Like, wow, it's beautiful. Yeah, it's so haunting because she 531 00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:31.079 doesn't know what's about to happen next. 532 00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:36.279 Just such great details to make me, bring me into 533 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:39.119 that feeling and the experience, and that I remember long 534 00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:42.240 afterwards and that Yeah, just movies doesn't have any of that. 535 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:47.039 So do you think the mistake was like we talked, 536 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.319 we talked if often about how some of these legacy 537 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:54.440 sequels feel like karaoke redos of the earlier film, Right, 538 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.440 do you think the mistake was not sticking closer to 539 00:30:57.480 --> 00:30:58.519 that original template. 540 00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:01.240 It's funny you say that, because I was thinking as 541 00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:05.039 I said that, like, in some ways I remember even 542 00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.519 the first time I watched this, I admired the way 543 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.960 that they incorporated the alien technology, yeah into everyday life, 544 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:14.079 because yeah, that makes sense, you know X amount of 545 00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:16.480 years later, like we've learned some new things we would 546 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.519 not have the present day that we have in our reality. 547 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:25.720 That's interesting, it makes sense in the world. But that's 548 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.039 a good point. I mean, we do like you said, 549 00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.160 that's not a reality I can really relate to, right, 550 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:33.160 So I don't I don't know, what do you think. 551 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.640 It's It's tough. I think I think rewatching. I'm I 552 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.720 don't mind them having having the technology, and I think 553 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.240 it would have been better served by incorporating it in 554 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:52.519 subtler ways. Sure that that aren't noticeably distracting, right, because 555 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:57.319 because ultimately, here's the paradox. The sequel to Independence Day 556 00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:04.119 had to exist twenty years after the first film within 557 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:05.599 the world of the film, but it also had to 558 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:10.359 exist in our world. And so I think you square 559 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.799 the circle on that by yes, you acknowledge that we've 560 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.400 gotten ahead in some ways thanks to their technology, but 561 00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:19.599 not so far ahead that it doesn't look like our 562 00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:23.359 world right, Right? And again, why do I say this, 563 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:26.559 Because in terms of the story they've constructed, the fact 564 00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:29.079 that we have gotten ahead really doesn't impact the story 565 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:29.359 at all. 566 00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:36.319 You know, Yeah, it's interesting because I was thinking a 567 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.359 version of that could be. You know, you obviously we 568 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:41.440 have these things, but it'd be hard for us to 569 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:45.200 imagine in ninety six. Now we have these futuristic tablets 570 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.079 and hover bikes and whatever. Right, But it's not some 571 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.960 sort of utopia like kids are still bored, you know, kids, 572 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.480 you know, like still want a better hover bike, and 573 00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:56.920 you know, just make it at least a little bit 574 00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:59.720 more relatable, because if we've learned anything from all the 575 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.319 crazyiness of the past several years, like it really doesn't 576 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:05.480 rattle us enough anyway, Like we just we go back 577 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:07.119 to the status quo pretty quickly. 578 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:11.640 So think about this, like all of this moon based business, 579 00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.160 how does it change the story if we just make 580 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:19.640 them fighter pilots on Earth? It really doesn't, hm, Like 581 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:25.000 there's nothing about the moon setting that meaningfully impacts the plot. 582 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.960 And I can't I'm not saying it's not possible, but yes, 583 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.920 I don't relate to them being up there very much. 584 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:35.119 That's right, Like the story would function just as well 585 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:39.720 if we have a remote monitoring station on the Moon, 586 00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:46.000 but the action is still on Earth yep ye right, 587 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:48.920 So in other words, that that bakes in. Okay, we've 588 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.039 gotten advance to the degree that we can build this 589 00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:52.759 thing and have it on the Moon, but you know, 590 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:54.319 it's still it's still our. 591 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.559 Earth yeph What was that movie that just came out. 592 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:01.079 On Netflix? 593 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:07.079 Bigelow Catherine Bigloaded. 594 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:11.679 Catherine big house a dynamite where uh, it's basically, yeah, 595 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:15.840 there's a missile that's in root to Chicago and it 596 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.320 takes place in real time and they're trying to determine 597 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.239 whether to shoot it down to retaliate, Like what do 598 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.960 we do in real time with this situation? And it's 599 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:27.199 it's and it's unfortunately the movie as a whole. 600 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:29.320 But real quick brain, yeah, this whole thing that we're 601 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.639 watching here with the war learn and stuff. Tell me, 602 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.599 wouldn't you have rather watched that movie? Totally? Sure? 603 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.559 Sorry, go on, no, no, no, no, well, I just 604 00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:41.639 it's I'm just thinking of this moment here, yes, on 605 00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:45.440 the moon base and you've got this foreign ship or 606 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:48.000 whatever that they don't understand, and there's this tension. 607 00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.039 Of I mean, what do we shoot it? 608 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:51.639 Like? What do we do to this thing? 609 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:55.719 And I just I wish it had the palpable tension 610 00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.360 that I felt in that other movie, where I felt 611 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.960 a little bit more grounded and like, I don't know, 612 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:04.159 I mean, if we don't take care of this thing, 613 00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:06.000 it could take out of major US city And like 614 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:08.519 it's a really sweat, you know, a beat, a sweat 615 00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:10.920 coming down the President's forehead like I, I don't, and 616 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:12.800 then I would be thinking, I don't know what I 617 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.079 would do, But it's just we don't get any of that. 618 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:24.760 Yeah, that's I The the opening scenes of the first film, 619 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.039 even before the ships arrive, are spent really building out 620 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.800 the world, building out our characters, and and and it's 621 00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.519 very you know, it's Poseidon Adventure, it's it's Towering Inferno, 622 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:40.480 it's it's it's following in that tradition. But that's the 623 00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:45.159 reason those films worked at that time, right, because to 624 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:47.440 some extent you would watch them and and you would 625 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:51.679 feel just enough investment to care about who who lives 626 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:56.480 and who doesn't. Whereas here we've got, you know, speaking 627 00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:00.679 of names of characters, that that that nerdy guy you know, yeah, 628 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.760 what's his name? No idea, Yeah, nerdy guy. But he 629 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.840 is a very emeric character, isn't he very much so 630 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.440 so like bureaucrat, I knowing bureaucrat guy who eventually picks 631 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:12.079 up a gun and becomes a hero by the end. 632 00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:16.079 And that's right, well, he's sort of he's like Charles 633 00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.960 Martin Smith and in Untouchables, you know, right, sure, but 634 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.159 again it's like, I mean, there's a way to make 635 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.760 it meaningful, right, Like that's kind of I think the 636 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:32.559 missed opportunity is the earlier film, which which was just 637 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:35.960 trashed by critics when it came out, right, and yet 638 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:40.639 it audiences didn't pay attention to the critics, h right, 639 00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:43.800 So in other words, it did speak to something. Hm, 640 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.920 there was no reason for this one not to tap 641 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.719 into whatever enthusiasm audience has had for that original film. 642 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.320 Well, and as you say that, it's making me think 643 00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:56.880 had the moment just passed for this kind of film? 644 00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.559 I mean, that movie hit perfectly in ninety six. Yeah, 645 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:03.599 but maybe we're in a different we're post Dark Knight. 646 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.199 Well we're not just post Dark Knight, we're post Jurassic World, 647 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:11.199 we're post The Force Awakens. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like, 648 00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:14.480 maybe this moment had kind of passed. I Yeah, I 649 00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.960 think I think Independence Day had the benefit a right 650 00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:23.039 of arriving in between Star Wars is. Yeah. Right, so 651 00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:29.119 it was sort of scratching a particular itch, right, But 652 00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:32.039 it's not like the it didn't have any kind of 653 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.400 a cultural impact. I don't think you know, wait, which 654 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.079 one this film? Excuse me, not this one, this franchise. 655 00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:42.679 They were the first film. Oh yeah, yeah, right, So 656 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.679 I feel like an audience would have been there, and 657 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:46.599 I don't think. 658 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:50.599 To see Jeff Goldbloom and Will Smith side by side again, 659 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:51.639 I think people would. 660 00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.280 Have liked that. Yeah, I look, I think I mean 661 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.039 a big picture. Look, as soon as you decide you're 662 00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:57.960 doing a sequel, the first thing you do is you 663 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.000 call Will Smith and you say what what what do 664 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.320 you want your character to what do you want his 665 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.079 arc to be? And then you build the story around 666 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:11.119 that and you make sure he's on board from the jump, right, yeah, 667 00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.639 definitely without him, it is a little bit like The 668 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:18.159 Office after Steve Carell left. Ah yeah, yeah, right, where 669 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:20.440 you're like, look, I like Dwight and Andy's great and 670 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.480 you know, but but we don't but Michael's not there, 671 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.599 you know. Yep, that's great. That's a great example. 672 00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.440 Yeah, yeah, you know. 673 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:29.880 It's funny. 674 00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.960 I this scene here where they're going to go down 675 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.360 and see that little ball that had come out of 676 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:36.360 the ship. 677 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.519 That they shot you go check it out. It reminded 678 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.599 me of that scene when they are on the Moon 679 00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:41.039 in two. 680 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:41.480 Thousand and one. 681 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.039 Oh sure, when they're approaching the monolith, and I mean, 682 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.840 well and it's just what's oh lojah? 683 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.679 Yeah, so he was suffering from dementia at this point. 684 00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:55.719 You can kind of see it. Actually, I was a 685 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:58.280 little sad seeing him. I had that. I was like, 686 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:02.119 it just felt I don't know, I agree with you. 687 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.559 It made me feel bad. I didn't feel happy seeing him. 688 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.920 If he wanted to be there, like please, I would 689 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:10.800 like to be there, then that's great. 690 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:11.760 And that's his real life. 691 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:13.840 From the look on his face, it feels like he 692 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.159 didn't really know what was happening. Yes, and yes, you 693 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.159 can sort of see that well, and that's the whole 694 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:24.159 celebration scene. This gets to sort of the phoniness of 695 00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:30.119 it all. Yeah, right, it's just green screen palooza. Yeah yeah, 696 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:33.039 And I'm like, guys, just get people in an arena 697 00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:36.079 and you know, and and add on to digitally, but 698 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.320 but make it feel like a crowd for goodness sake. 699 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:41.599 You know, it's really hard to fake the sun. Yeah 700 00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:43.719 you know what I mean, Like the sun is harsh 701 00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:47.079 and it puts harsh light and edges around noses and 702 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:49.480 ears and things, and when it's not real, it's just 703 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:50.800 so noticeable and weird. 704 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:54.920 Yeah. Yeah, so hey, quick question, what's what's presidency the 705 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:55.559 ward's name? 706 00:39:56.079 --> 00:40:05.880 Ah, Jenny can do it. I don't know, Landford, you 707 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.559 looked it up. I did have IMDb in. 708 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:12.599 Front of me. Yeah. That looks terrible. That looks like 709 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:19.039 the room. Yeah yeah, yeah, gosh. But it's like total Yanishi, 710 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.199 isn't it. Yeah yeah, with all the halos around the people. 711 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.440 So my thought watching this about the Whitmore character I 712 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:28.320 was I was thinking, I was like, maybe it works 713 00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:32.719 better if instead of him first time we see him 714 00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:38.519 he's all like baby, right, maybe he's like okay, mmm, 715 00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:42.519 he's like normal, and then suddenly this happens and activated, 716 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:49.000 right yep, and here exactly yes at this moment, and 717 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:53.280 I'm guessing, oh thirty yeah, okay, right. I feel like 718 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.239 that gives your character something more somewhere more interesting to go. 719 00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:59.000 We'll talk about. But I said this before when we 720 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:00.960 did our review, like ten years ago. But it feels 721 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.679 it Whitmore feels a little bit like Kenny in South Park, 722 00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:07.239 where it's just like except this is like suicidal Kenny 723 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.039 where he keeps wanting to which I think was an 724 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:14.800 odd choice, but but I think it would be more 725 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:18.840 interesting to have him just you know, he's he's normal, 726 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.239 he's there as an attendee. He doesn't show up and 727 00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.280 be all crazy. That's a great idea. 728 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.840 That's a great because and then and then the warlord 729 00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:32.840 guy him all getting activated for the first time, and 730 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.440 it's like, what the hell is happening to these people? 731 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.679 You know, like that'd be a great Yeah, I agree, 732 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:39.400 good note. 733 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:45.760 Thanks. Yeah, I mean, because that's the shame of it, 734 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:48.840 because I really like President Whitmore in the earlier film, 735 00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:52.159 and I see I see very little of him in this. 736 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:53.400 Yeah. 737 00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:58.840 Yeah, which, by the way, his daughter originally played by 738 00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:00.119 May Whitman, right, yeah. 739 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.440 Play Monroe in this And yeah, I mean there is 740 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:10.159 at least some question about how that casting change happened. Uh, 741 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:16.679 But based on May Whitman, it feels the the movie 742 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:18.239 people are like, well, she didn't want to read for it, 743 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.920 and my sense from her, although she's never addressed it directly, 744 00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:25.079 is not she was never given the opportunity to read 745 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:25.880 for it. Yeah. 746 00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.679 I saw that some of her friends, like Anna Kendrick 747 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:30.920 and people kind of spoke out on her behalf and 748 00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:34.079 Whitmen for the most part, basically just I think she 749 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.000 liked a couple of tweets sort of hinting it how 750 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:38.599 she felt about it, but which I. 751 00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:40.679 Love in the social media age that this is our 752 00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:45.719 I know, archaeology to that's so true. It's like, oh, 753 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.559 so and so stopped following so and so on Instagram. 754 00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:55.199 Oh you know, you know that's that's really funny. Our archaeology. 755 00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:59.360 It's kind of sad. It kind of is the d 756 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:03.760 of a loos of our of our discourse. You know. Yeah, 757 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:08.239 but but even okay, so you recast the president's daughter. 758 00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:12.840 It's fine, you know, doesn't get a ton to do. 759 00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:13.880 That's really memorable. 760 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.880 No, she's interesting, right, I mean she she was in 761 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:21.400 It Follows, right, that was kind of her breakout It Follows. 762 00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.000 Yeah, that's right. And she she continues to pop up 763 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.000 in things. It's it's she's she's like fine in the movie. 764 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:27.880 I don't think she's bad. 765 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:29.000 Yeah, no, I I agree. 766 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:29.480 I agree. 767 00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:31.760 It's uh, I kind of made me feel bad. I 768 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:32.320 bet for her. 769 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.159 This was like, hey, this is my big my big 770 00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.880 movie now. Yeah, and then she sort of gets roped 771 00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:40.239 into this discourse, right. Well, that yeah, that's true too. 772 00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:45.519 You know. By the way, the the the French scientist 773 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:50.119 who's positioned as like a elevens and love interest. I mean, 774 00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.159 that's fine, but do they even mention Margaret Collins character. 775 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:55.559 Yeah, I was wondering what happened to them. 776 00:43:56.440 --> 00:44:00.800 I guess she died. I mean it's I mean, they 777 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:01.760 don't even mention. 778 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:07.239 Her, right, right, and you are referring to the character 779 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.440 of Catherine Marceau. 780 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:17.599 Naturally, I had to get ahead of that one. So 781 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.800 that's the guy from Dark Knight, right, yes, yes, okay, 782 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:23.840 who's hiding. 783 00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:25.719 He's got the money, the monster's money. 784 00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.719 Okay. I like him. He's kind of he's like a type, 785 00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.039 you know. You know, it's so funny. 786 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.599 I was thinking the same thing, like and it probably 787 00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:35.960 just comes from that film. He's so good in that 788 00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:38.320 movie in such a small role that when I see him, I'm. 789 00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:39.159 Like, oh good that guy. 790 00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:43.280 Yeah. Now, now they cast the you know, the actor 791 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:47.639 who plays his daughter angela baby. Okay, uh, she's like 792 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.719 one word naturally hm uh. It was very obviously a 793 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.840 sop to the Chinese audience. That was very which was 794 00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.000 the style at the time, which is right, it's and 795 00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:00.800 it's very funny because China figured out pretty quick what 796 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.039 we were doing. I mean, was that Iron Man three 797 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:08.199 right where China got extra scenes of Tony Stark drinking 798 00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:13.199 like a Chinese soda that we never saw in the States. Yeah, 799 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:19.840 that kind of we're doing that a lot. Yeah. One 800 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.960 of them Transformers movies, right, had a big Hong Kong sequence. Yeah. 801 00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.360 Yeah, and that's because it added so much to the 802 00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:28.159 worldwide box office, and I think at the time China 803 00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.000 was only allowing a certain amount of US films. 804 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.320 Yeah. I don't even know what's going on with that anymore, 805 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:38.840 but I mean it's it's China no longer factors into 806 00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:40.559 whether like a movie is going to be a hit, 807 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:44.320 you know, because I think they've had it with our shit, 808 00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.320 you know. I mean it is it's like pretty condescending 809 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.840 when you think about it, because it's not like her 810 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:56.320 character is particularly impactful on the plot. No, there could 811 00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:58.920 have been anybody, you know. It's it's like, you know 812 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.239 in Masters of Universe the eighty seven to one, where 813 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.719 it's like, hey, this kid won a contest. He's big 814 00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:07.760 boy in e Skeletoris Staff. Right, It's that level of 815 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.440 condescending a little bit. 816 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:12.320 I mean, because yeah, I'm sure she's a huge star, yeah, 817 00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.719 you know, in her world, but like, yeah, she's not 818 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:18.320 given a whole lot to do here, and you know, 819 00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:21.400 it doesn't feel like it's coming naturally to her either, 820 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.280 which I mean it would be just as difficult for 821 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:27.159 me to have to speak Mandarin phonetically, you know. 822 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:28.079 Movie. 823 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.199 So it's just it just kind of doesn't work for 824 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:33.559 the camaraderie also that they're trying to build with the team, yeah, 825 00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:35.320 you know, with one of the guys being in love 826 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.000 with her, and it's just none of it works. 827 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:42.199 So this this alien ship they I forget the however 828 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.840 big it is. It's like as big as the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah, 829 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:48.400 And they're like, how do we not see that, to 830 00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:52.199 which I say, yes, how did you not see that? Right? 831 00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:58.880 That's like too big? Yeah, like you've got all this 832 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:02.960 alien technology. Wait, how do you miss that? 833 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:05.639 That's I mean, yeah, we could see like Netflix satellites 834 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:07.960 and things in the air, you know, ridiculous. 835 00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:10.880 Yeah, there you go. Here, here's the big scene that's 836 00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.960 gonna make China want to release this movie, right. 837 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.440 I do remember I was lucky enough, lucky question Mark 838 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.000 to read this script before it came out. Someone well 839 00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:23.880 you did, Yeah, someone gave it to me, and I 840 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:26.000 think at the time you and I were just railing 841 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:31.840 on movies for destroying cities and showing no consequences, where 842 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:35.559 it's like, no, the world has changed, that's a big deal. 843 00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:37.559 But it's just like, ah, we just blew up Paris, 844 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.639 you know, moving on, and it's like we feel nothing. 845 00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:43.239 It's like, how do we feel nothing when you've just 846 00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.400 leveled a major city in the world. And so then 847 00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:48.679 I remember reading the script and it was basically like, yeah, 848 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:52.280 Dubai is lifted up into the air and smashes down 849 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:53.199 on London, and I was. 850 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:56.519 Like, they did it, Zachy, those sons, they topped themselves. 851 00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:57.679 They didn't just level a city. 852 00:47:57.719 --> 00:47:59.280 They took a city, lifted it in the air, and 853 00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.440 smashed it into another city. 854 00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:06.800 Cut to Jeff Goldblum giggling maniacally Alla Jurassic Park. Yeah 855 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:10.760 he did it. Now, I should say, I remember when 856 00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:14.440 we did our review episode and I was like, yeah, 857 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.599 Vivica Fox, I think I think she's a nurse in this, 858 00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.760 which is like really sexist and stupid, like she's clearly 859 00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:21.239 a doctor. 860 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.639 Oh oh that's funny, So I should. 861 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:26.679 I just want to like correct me from ten years ago. 862 00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:31.119 Oh that's wow, good memory that you remember that. Yeah, 863 00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:34.280 she's she's clearly a doctor. Yes, and you know what, hey, 864 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.480 we're here to grow. Well, you know he is here. 865 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:38.960 It is, by the way, sorry, you got the burge 866 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:42.400 clear there you go smashing into the London Bridge and 867 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:44.239 and it makes no impact. 868 00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:46.679 This should be an enormous deal. 869 00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:51.639 The scene earlier when we see the people being lifted up, 870 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:55.239 I mean it's horrifying, yes, right, I mean it really is. 871 00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:56.760 I mean it's like end of the world shit, And 872 00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:58.239 I'm like, why don't you let us sit in this 873 00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.960 moment instead of this? It's just weird, right, because again 874 00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:06.679 it's like misreading by Emeric about why people responded to 875 00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:07.960 that first film. 876 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:11.280 Like I said, when I remember the striper friend on 877 00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:17.719 the thing, like I'm sad, Like she's her eyes are 878 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.760 drawn to this sparkly thing and she she's hopeful. I 879 00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.480 think she has a sign that's like welcome and she's 880 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:24.400 about to die. 881 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:26.719 And that that's like you watch it and you're like, 882 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:29.360 what's going through her mind when this happens? Right, Yes, 883 00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:31.960 and so you go to that means it's working if 884 00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:33.639 you're having that thought one hundred percent. 885 00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:37.400 So yes, seeing those people lift into the air, that 886 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:40.480 is like why don't. We've got that moment where we 887 00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:42.679 get the cab driver and the person in the back, 888 00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.480 Like it's enough to like, Okay, I can I know, 889 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.119 I can identify this person and follow them through this 890 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:51.800 crazy haunting experience. 891 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:52.840 What would you do? 892 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:55.719 All the what would you do? Is gone? 893 00:49:56.119 --> 00:50:01.079 Right? Yeah, you know, and and again, And that's weird 894 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:04.400 because as you said, it's not even like after the 895 00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:08.000 first film, Emeric just dipped from this genre. Right like 896 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:12.840 his other times in he at least somewhat adhered to 897 00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:18.079 that template. And again it worked a lesser greater degrees, 898 00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:22.039 but but he it showed recognition of that. And so 899 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:24.840 that's why when you look at this and you're like like, like, 900 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:28.800 you know, the perfect example, this Salvage sub who we follow, 901 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:33.159 who gives a crap about them? Right? Like, yeah, I agree, 902 00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:37.800 I like, they don't make a lot of weird storyline. Yeah. 903 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.199 And then jud Hirsh is in a whole different movie. 904 00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:44.000 I know. I know. Again it's it's like a COVID distance. 905 00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:47.639 You know, this does You're so spot on. This does 906 00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:48.960 feel like a COVID era movie. 907 00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:51.760 It feels like COVID era movie, I'm telling you. Yeah. 908 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:52.920 And then I mean we can get to it. 909 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.159 But his his whole arc, if you can call it, 910 00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:57.119 that is basically to just show up at the wrong 911 00:50:57.199 --> 00:50:58.519 place at the wrong time. 912 00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.719 You know, like it's like I don't know, he doesn't. 913 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:02.599 We'll get to it. 914 00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:05.719 We'll get to The thing is like, just as a 915 00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.760 fan of the first film, I was glad to see 916 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:08.840 jud Hirsch beas. 917 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.280 The same exactly right, that's great, and him selling his 918 00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:14.480 book like I figured it out. 919 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:18.400 Yeah, yeah, I think that totally tracks with his character totally. 920 00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:22.559 But like this right here, this is see again if 921 00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:26.000 in the in the earlier film, the attack happens and 922 00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:31.840 there's just devastation, right, and we sit with that devastation. Yeah, so, 923 00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:34.599 as you said, right, Hong Kong has been dropped on London. 924 00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:42.719 That feels substantial. Yeah, that feels like something like the 925 00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.760 grief of that. We're talking about millions of people that 926 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:49.360 have died, yeah already. 927 00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.280 Yeah, and even right now we're watching the claw of 928 00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:57.719 this vessel, yeah, planting itself on Earth and it's like 929 00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:05.239 just pawing out cities as it's just you know, fixing 930 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.639 itself into position. I mean, that's like thousands of people 931 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:09.719 are dying right now. 932 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.079 So here are we? Is this DC? Is this Washington? 933 00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.000 I mean, is this Los Angeles? Where are we? What 934 00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:19.079 city is this that? I don't know? Actually we should 935 00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:23.519 know that now. Now, the Vivica Fox character, this is 936 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:25.599 I know we talked about this ten years ago. How 937 00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:29.159 do you not make her death a moment? I know, 938 00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:32.880 yes it should be. 939 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.079 Really, I don't care if this movie is to our 940 00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:39.320 in twenty minutes if you make this stuff work right. 941 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.039 Like right there, we see her die from a distance 942 00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:49.599 and he's like, no, mom, yeah, this is where I'm 943 00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.320 I'm like, look, I'm I'm not a professional director, but 944 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.199 like you give us, you give us a close up. 945 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:56.719 You get him close enough. 946 00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:58.079 Yes, they lock eyes. 947 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:03.000 You get that Hans Grueber shot exactly and she's looking 948 00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:06.159 almost at camera, which is her son, and she drops 949 00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:07.079 out of you. 950 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:11.760 That's what you do. So we can't be the only 951 00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:12.840 people who thought of that. 952 00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:20.119 Right unless it was some last minute decision. Maybe they didn't, 953 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.360 you know, maybe she had a different outcome and they 954 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:26.360 changed it, and so they I mean, actually, that feels 955 00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:29.039 like the only excuse for having a major character like 956 00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:32.519 that die as a little dot on the screen falling 957 00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:33.199 through a bill. 958 00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:36.800 Yeah, I mean, his his the character being like, you know, 959 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.480 just get her, get there, get there whatever he's trying to, 960 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:44.159 like the desperation he feels. That's great, you know. And 961 00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.119 and now he's an orphan, he's lost both his parents. 962 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:47.199 That's all good stuff. 963 00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:58.159 Yeah, yeah, you gotta have you gotta have the equations 964 00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.679 on the wall. When I worked at when I worked 965 00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:06.239 at Puppy Dog Pals, my office had like the the 966 00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:11.400 top two feet of the room, like leading up to 967 00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.199 the ceiling was glass, okay, and so it was private, 968 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.360 but the top part of the thing had like a 969 00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:18.679 glass thing that went all the way around, and I 970 00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:20.039 just thought it'd be funny. So one day I took 971 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:21.960 one of those you know, whiteboard markers, and I just 972 00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.719 started putting equations all over it so people would walk 973 00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:26.559 by and think that I was like Goodwill hunting. 974 00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:41.880 Prince Spiner. He showed up. That's well, this is this 975 00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:43.920 is the thing I because I was thinking about. First 976 00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:48.199 of all, it helps that his character in the old 977 00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:50.880 film had the same fright wig hair, so Brian Spiner 978 00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:53.440 twenty years later, like he basically looks exactly the same. 979 00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.239 Mm hmm. But this gets to you know, the benefits 980 00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:59.559 of being a character actor, right, Bran Speiner is one 981 00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:01.719 of those guys. Man, you plug him into whatever. He's 982 00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:05.119 going to give you a character, and for him he'll 983 00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:06.039 always have work. 984 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:12.159 Yeah too. Yeah, he's been asleep since the last movie. Like, whoa, 985 00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:13.199 we have alien guns. 986 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.039 See that's good. I like that. Yeah, me too. See. 987 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:18.719 I think that if you have the alien technology has 988 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:25.679 been stored away. Mmm right, so it hasn't really impacted 989 00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:27.119 the real world per se. 990 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.159 You could even yeah, be like the world can't just 991 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:33.519 suddenly have all of this. It would go crazy exactly. 992 00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:34.800 But they try to make it sound like it is 993 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.159 a utopia because we have now a common enemy the 994 00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:37.719 whole world. 995 00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:41.360 So this scene here, I was thinking about this, yeah, 996 00:55:41.719 --> 00:55:44.079 because he's like, all right here I go. I'm gonna 997 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:46.559 die now, you know. And then he wakes up in 998 00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.880 the hospital he's like, I'm still goddamn it. And that 999 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:50.599 was bull pullman. 1000 00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:52.840 They didn't he didn't realize the cameras were rolling. I 1001 00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:55.440 got more days on this thing, son of a bitch. 1002 00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:00.760 I was thinking about, like, I feel like it just 1003 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:03.320 going going back to what we were saying before. I 1004 00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:07.719 think you reverse, you reverse this, So instead of him 1005 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:11.239 being like oh, strangle me so I'll talk. It's he 1006 00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:14.159 uses the fact that he's got this mental connection where 1007 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:16.000 he goes in there and they're like, no, no, you're 1008 00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:19.960 gonna die, and he he essentially is able to read 1009 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:25.480 its mind against its will. M Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, 1010 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:30.639 because I see my my thing is watching this. I'm like, 1011 00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:35.280 if we're setting this, we're setting up the heroic sacrifice 1012 00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:39.280 so much that the actual heroic sacrifice doesn't mean anything. Mmm. 1013 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:45.159 Because he's because he already stepped up for this. Yeah exactly, Yeah. 1014 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:46.719 Interesting, yeah right. 1015 00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:50.360 And then and then later too, where he's like, somebody's 1016 00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:51.960 got to die. I guess it's me, and it's like, 1017 00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:55.119 all right, dude, we get it, you know, right right, 1018 00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.119 because I was thinking even that when he dies, it 1019 00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:04.199 should have been a Randy Quaid situation. Yes, like in 1020 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:07.119 the first film where this is the only option and 1021 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:13.360 he only realizes it when he's in it. Yes, you know, yes, agreed, 1022 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.679 Like we've lost our pilot, we've only got this plane 1023 00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:19.599 from a certain era that nobody knows how to fly, 1024 00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:23.239 and it's just like, well, you know, yeah, it's got 1025 00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.840 to be me something like that, like like we almost 1026 00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:28.679 got I mean you know, it kind of like Inforce 1027 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:32.000 Awakens right where you know Han and then they think 1028 00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:34.360 they made it, remember they? And then and then he 1029 00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:36.920 goes back in and then that ends up being how 1030 00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:40.280 he dies. Yeah, right, right, something in that vein, you. 1031 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:44.599 Know, yeah, totally it correct me if I'm wrong. Also 1032 00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:47.760 the oh wait, that's but kind of grace right in 1033 00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:51.440 the back. The little girl that is her. Wow, I 1034 00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:53.239 was like, Wow, she's been around a very long time. 1035 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:54.559 I didn't even catch that. 1036 00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.360 Yeah, she has had a back of a career. 1037 00:57:58.280 --> 00:57:58.840 Seriously. 1038 00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.719 Yeah, she's been in all these major franchises. She's gonna 1039 00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:03.400 Scooby Doo coming up. It's pretty amazing. 1040 00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:08.800 Well, and and her what's her name, Joy King? Yes, Joey. 1041 00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:11.760 You know, I just I just rewatched The Dark Knight 1042 00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:17.280 Rises last week and she was Yeah, she's baby Talia 1043 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:21.400 And that's right, that's right. I think last I remember 1044 00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:25.559 her was Bullet Train. Oh yeah, she's in that. So 1045 00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:27.840 she had been in White House Down a couple of 1046 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:31.400 years earlier. So that's there's the emmoric connection there. But 1047 00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:34.280 that scene with the kids in the car, I said 1048 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:38.840 this ten years ago. It feels like there there was 1049 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:43.320 an introductory scene of those kids that somebody took out 1050 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:47.239 of like the editing timeline and forgot to reinsert it right, right, 1051 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:49.559 because it just kind of comes out of nowhere. 1052 00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.599 Yeah, yeah, and gives jud Hursh something to do. 1053 00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:53.480 Mm hmm. 1054 00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:56.159 Can you imagine actually if you was like you and 1055 00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:58.400 your group of friends, even though you're underage or whatever, 1056 00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:00.559 but like trying to make your way. You've just lost 1057 00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:02.679 your family, and then this old man is like, i'll 1058 00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:07.840 drive now, and you're like okay, he's like controlling the radio, 1059 00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:08.400 and you're like. 1060 00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:11.559 Well, it only works because they recognize him. 1061 00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:15.519 Yeah, that's it, yeah, from the book, right, yeah, still 1062 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:21.440 like okay, I mean we kind of had a thing 1063 00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:22.559 going here, but all right. 1064 00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:25.119 They had their own movie. 1065 00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:32.440 Exactly did you read about Susan Sarandon. I guess she 1066 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:37.320 turned down a role in this from this, yeah, because 1067 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:38.760 she said it was incomprehensible. 1068 00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:40.800 Well, she wasn't wrong. 1069 00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:43.519 I thought this was funny. People don't know exactly what 1070 00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:45.960 it was. Is from a Huffington Post interview, and people 1071 00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:50.079 are guessing it's president yea, and so apparently she said 1072 00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:51.800 when I read the script, I couldn't understand what was 1073 00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.719 going on. I just couldn't understand it. Seriously, a lot 1074 00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:56.519 of the people from the original one were not going 1075 00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:57.880 to be doing it, and I read it and I 1076 00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:00.000 just thought, no, I can't, I just can't. 1077 01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:05.000 Well, I think she made the right choice. Yeah, it 1078 01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:08.119 turns out it was actually the Queen Alien at the end. Yeah, 1079 01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:11.440 it's just yeah, it would have just been a giant 1080 01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:14.800 Susan Sarandon. That would have been the big twist. This 1081 01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:18.360 doesn't even makes sense. She's like, I didn't even like 1082 01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:23.719 the first movie, but that doesn't make sense. So so 1083 01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:30.440 the Defense Secretary, his name is Patrick Saint Esprit. Uh, yeah, 1084 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.639 he's one of again. Like it's like, uh, you know 1085 01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:37.280 the guy in the first film who well, the character's 1086 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:39.159 name is named Zicky. I forget the actor's name. He 1087 01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:42.840 passed away, but he's certain, you know, resting bureaucrat face. 1088 01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:48.039 Oh right, because I know him from a draft day 1089 01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:49.639 from like a year or two before this. 1090 01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.800 Yeah, I'm looking at him now. He's Commander Thread in 1091 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:57.480 The Hunger Games. Yeah, yeah, that's right, draft Day Green Zone. 1092 01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:00.719 We were soldiers. He has that one character that he 1093 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:01.760 plays very well. 1094 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:03.840 This is like a guy he'll be working forever. 1095 01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:07.719 That's what I'm saying he's got he's he's in that 1096 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:11.880 that Ed Lauder class. He just slot him in, you know, 1097 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:16.480 and and again, you know, I I think I think 1098 01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:20.719 having great character actors just always benefits films in this 1099 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:24.719 way because you're just you just plug into their their energy. 1100 01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:30.519 You know. See this here should be a more meaningful 1101 01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:33.079 moment where Dylan is looking at now both of his 1102 01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:36.400 parents are gone, and and it's supposed to be how 1103 01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:41.480 him and Jake Jake's you know, and how they they reconnect. 1104 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:46.079 The problem is we don't really know about Jake. I 1105 01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:49.639 think we're supposed to care about him in addition because 1106 01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:53.199 he's you know, he's a taken, no guff bad boy 1107 01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:59.320 with with with those deep blue eyes. But you know, 1108 01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:03.840 because because the president's daughter likes him or whatever. But 1109 01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:06.199 he is such a blank slate, both of them, both 1110 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:09.159 of them are a single blank slate. I think you. 1111 01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:10.000 Should have made hillar. 1112 01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:13.000 If you're gonna have the cocky guy, maybe make Hiller 1113 01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.159 someone who doesn't believe in himself. 1114 01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:17.280 Like I was thinking, right, if his dad is like 1115 01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:18.360 the Savior. 1116 01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:21.320 Has to live up to that legend exactly, and so 1117 01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:23.719 it would be fun to watch a person they have 1118 01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:26.719 the skill, they just need to find their confidence. Yeah, 1119 01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:29.079 you know, and then they would feel very different from 1120 01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:31.679 one another. You don't have two cocky guys going against 1121 01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:32.079 each other. 1122 01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:35.440 That might help. So maybe maybe you don't make him 1123 01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:39.440 a fighter pilot and then and then you have that 1124 01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:42.679 beat like at when it comes down to it, he 1125 01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:46.280 has to take on that role mm hm. And you 1126 01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:48.719 know he's got the trauma because of his father dying, right, 1127 01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:52.119 because I think, what does it say, Hillar, when does 1128 01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:52.920 it say he died? 1129 01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:54.679 I think he died during a test flight. 1130 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.719 Yeah, like like not too long after the first film 1131 01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:02.760 is my recollection. Yeah, so that means that he's carrying 1132 01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:05.719 this trauma with him for a long time, and so 1133 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:09.119 he doesn't want to fly. But then he's forced into 1134 01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:09.519 that role. 1135 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:13.400 Or maybe he did so he has the ability, but 1136 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:15.719 then he stepped away from it because that yeah, like 1137 01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:18.159 you said, like trauma. Yeah, so at least then at 1138 01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:20.440 the end when he has to step up, he knows 1139 01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:25.920 with the buttons do yeah right, yeah, but right now 1140 01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:28.400 he just feels like generic hero guy. 1141 01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:35.320 Yeah. It's odd, you know, Yeah, I mean definitely like 1142 01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:40.400 Hollywood was trying to make Liam Hemsworth happen because he 1143 01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:44.280 was in one of the Expendables movies too, and I 1144 01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:46.719 don't think it's really taken, you know. 1145 01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:50.960 Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you know. Or maybe he's just 1146 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.519 not a leading man like maybe he'll do. 1147 01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:55.800 Because he's in Hunger Games, right. 1148 01:03:57.679 --> 01:03:59.480 The old ones or the new ones. I actually don't know. 1149 01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:01.000 It isn't he I think he is. 1150 01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:03.440 I'm just saying this is someone who's not an expert 1151 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:03.760 on them. 1152 01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:09.239 I haven't seen them, but I feel fairly certain that 1153 01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:11.519 he is. But my point is he's not a he's 1154 01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:13.159 not a leading man in those in those films. 1155 01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:14.719 Oh, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. I mean, 1156 01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.280 I believe you. I just didn't know. Gail Hawthorne. 1157 01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:20.079 There you go. I'm sure like a younger generation right 1158 01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:22.559 now is like idiot. There's people listening to this throwing 1159 01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:25.760 shit at their device and they're right, they're right to 1160 01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:31.440 do it. Yeah. And he replaced Cavil on the Witcher. 1161 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:39.679 I believe that's right, man. I totally forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, 1162 01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:44.079 I think that. Uh, you know, we're about to have 1163 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:47.400 you know, the the Aliens attack Giant Mountain and you 1164 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.119 know the whole line of succession gets wiped out. That 1165 01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:53.159 really needed to be a bigger deal, you know, And 1166 01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:56.000 I think it's weird to me again, like we know 1167 01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:59.400 all the work that they did in the earlier film 1168 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:05.519 to build up you know, the the Whitmore President, so 1169 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:09.559 do the same thing with this. But the twist is 1170 01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:13.719 that she dies. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. Well 1171 01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:14.559 that's that's perfect. 1172 01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:18.159 Like you said, we get familiar beats that feel good 1173 01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:20.719 to us for this world, but then yeah, subvert them 1174 01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:21.280 a little. 1175 01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:25.159 Bit, a little bit. Yeah, see this, this whole storyline 1176 01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:26.800 with the with the salvage team. 1177 01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.159 Yeah, yeah, they're kind of forgettable. 1178 01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:32.920 Totally forgettable. They have no bearing on the rest of 1179 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:33.400 the story. 1180 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:36.079 I wasn't going to comment on it because I can't 1181 01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:38.719 even remember, so I believe you, Yeah. 1182 01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:44.760 I mean, it has no impact. I don't believe yeah, yeah, 1183 01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:45.039 you know. 1184 01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:48.039 I was also thinking if that ship or whatever you 1185 01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:50.960 want to call it is drilling into the Earth almost 1186 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:54.719 reaching the core, Yeah, doesn't that like forever change the 1187 01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:56.119 stability of our planet? 1188 01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:59.119 Yeah? Yeah, there's there's no coming back from that, right, 1189 01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:02.840 Like I mean, like tons of ocean like leaking now 1190 01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:06.719 into the center of the Earth. Like, yeah, that feels big. 1191 01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:10.599 Yeah, I'm no expert, but well, to be fair, they 1192 01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:12.719 wanted to make a sequel, so maybe they would have 1193 01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:14.159 told us. 1194 01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:17.079 Which I mean, the ending of this movie is like 1195 01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:21.559 a threat. You know What's funny. By the way, I 1196 01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:24.079 don't even know how, but I have this movie. 1197 01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:28.239 So I well, probably my friend from Fox, but I 1198 01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:29.760 think he might have give me a blue ray or something. 1199 01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:32.280 But and so I just whenever I get a code, 1200 01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:35.880 I always download the code. So my voodoo lockers yours 1201 01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:38.920 is like brilliant and curated and filled with amazing things, 1202 01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:40.840 and mine is just random stuff I got over the 1203 01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:44.800 years for free, you know. And anyway, so I was 1204 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:47.679 watching it that way, and I saw there were bonus 1205 01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:50.039 features and there's a bunch of deleted scenes. 1206 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:53.559 Did you see them? I did not. I saw that 1207 01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.559 they existed, but by then I was quite quite done 1208 01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:57.119 with this film. 1209 01:06:57.159 --> 01:06:59.159 I watched one and I got about twenty seconds in 1210 01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:00.679 and I was like, I don't I don't have to 1211 01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:04.079 do this, so I stopped. But one of them is, 1212 01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:07.840 uh has Fred Armison in it? Fascinating I was like, wow, 1213 01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:12.079 that he would have injected some fun energy into this movie. 1214 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:17.840 I could see Fred Armison as doctor Oakin's son, you know, yeah, sure, 1215 01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:21.760 it's like a minime version of Oakin. Yeah ah ookod 1216 01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:27.239 you know, I don't know. 1217 01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:30.400 Something struck me and it's striking me again, So I'm 1218 01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:32.639 just going to bring it up. But when what's his 1219 01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:37.519 name Spiner back? Anyway, he's got this sackish oaken. 1220 01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:39.760 You put some respect on his name, yes, Oakin. 1221 01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:43.079 I'm like, so, what's the Why are we spending all 1222 01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:45.400 this time on this saw that doesn't work? Just so 1223 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:47.239 he can go and get an go up a ladder 1224 01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:49.400 and get another saw that and then go back down 1225 01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:50.400 and try it again and then. 1226 01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:53.039 It does work. Why are we spending minutes on this? 1227 01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:59.159 I assume it's to show that this you know, apple 1228 01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:02.519 poke ball that they're trying to slice through is difficult 1229 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:06.840 to open. Yeah, like human technology, regular human technology doesn't 1230 01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:10.800 do it fair. But yeah, I have to use that. 1231 01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:16.319 I'm assuming those more efficient ways. Yeah, no, yeah, I 1232 01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:19.600 guess I see it. I think this part here, I mean, 1233 01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:22.399 obviously the closest parallel with the earlier film is that 1234 01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:26.560 first assault. You know that you have Will Smith and 1235 01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:28.560 Harry Connick Junior, et cetera. You know that they lead 1236 01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:32.439 against the ship. But you know, that sequence works partly 1237 01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:34.439 because of kind of what we talked about, where it's 1238 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:41.439 there are ships there, they're earth ships, but also like it, 1239 01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:48.600 the stakes are within scale. You know this, this feels 1240 01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:52.720 like a third act sequence. Yes, that they've dropped into 1241 01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:55.479 the middle of the movie. You know, and when you 1242 01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:58.359 think about it, in the earlier film you have exactly this. 1243 01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:01.119 You have the president and and you know, the cabinet 1244 01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:05.760 members watching on a screen as as like icons drop out, 1245 01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:12.239 you know, and yet that's so much more impactful. Yeah, 1246 01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:14.239 and it's one of them, like I'm watching this and 1247 01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:19.840 I'm trying to just unravel it, like why isn't this landing? 1248 01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:21.359 You know, it's funny, by the way, so look at 1249 01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:23.159 all this melee happening across the screen. 1250 01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:23.680 Just blah. 1251 01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:27.000 It reminded me of that incredible shot in Return of 1252 01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:29.560 the Jedi during the final battle where you see the 1253 01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:33.359 ship and there's just chaos happening and it's only one 1254 01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:36.600 shot to make you go, holy crap, like this is 1255 01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:38.399 a big deal. And also how did they do that? 1256 01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:40.920 You know in nineteen eighty three, like that, Wow, look 1257 01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:44.800 what they're capable of. But you can't have every shot 1258 01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:45.359 look like that. 1259 01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:47.840 I think that might be it, you know what I mean? 1260 01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:51.399 Every shot here looks like that crazy hard to follow 1261 01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:53.880 shot like you do that in Jedi with one shot 1262 01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:57.159 to help us understand how crazy this is. And then 1263 01:09:57.199 --> 01:10:00.880 we focus on our heroes doing their thing, but here 1264 01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:03.600 just because they can. Every shot looks like that, and 1265 01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:05.359 then I don't know what to put my eyes on. 1266 01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:11.159 That's really yeah, I think that's it. Yeah. 1267 01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:14.600 And also thinking of the first movie, we're really well, 1268 01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:19.560 we're endeared to Will Smith and that score. 1269 01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:21.600 Is amazing, so I was going to bring that up. 1270 01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:24.720 Yeah, yes, and then when it just becomes about him 1271 01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:28.600 and this one ship and it's it's cool. It's like, yeah, 1272 01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:33.000 a fighter jet and a UFO basically going off and 1273 01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:38.680 having this crazy dog fight with one another. It's it's rousing, 1274 01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:40.680 you know what I mean, Like it's I'm getting like 1275 01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:43.000 energized thinking about this other movie right now. 1276 01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:47.000 Yeah, you know, I mean, you know that we care enough, 1277 01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:51.079 we have just enough emotional attachment to Harry Connick Junior. 1278 01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:55.039 Yes that you know when he takes a mask off 1279 01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:56.520 and he's like, put your mask back on, and then 1280 01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.319 he explodes and we feel it. Yep. Right, and that 1281 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:02.960 means something. And again this is where my boy Charlie 1282 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:05.760 he got to go mm hmm, yeah, he had to 1283 01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:10.159 get exploded. Sorry Charlie, Sorry Charlie. Yeah. 1284 01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:13.520 But no, I think they pushed it too far to 1285 01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:15.479 the point where we lose focus of what we're supposed 1286 01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:17.000 to focus on. I think we don't care about these 1287 01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:20.800 characters enough. I just think the craft was better in 1288 01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:21.399 the first one. 1289 01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:27.000 See and score, that's that's the So the David Arnold 1290 01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:33.520 brought such an important identity to the first film that 1291 01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:37.079 when you watch this film you realize that the only 1292 01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:40.039 times the score really comes to life is when they 1293 01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:44.760 when they pipe in the O G music. H So 1294 01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:46.359 you know we hear a little bit of it here, 1295 01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:49.000 not not in this part, but like later in the film, 1296 01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:50.680 and then you know, over the end credits. And I 1297 01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:53.039 remember watching this in theater being like, oh, that's what 1298 01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:55.279 was missing, any of that? 1299 01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:57.239 Yeah, you know. 1300 01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:00.439 And and I wonder was David Arnold like nope, sorry, 1301 01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:03.439 uh I saw that. 1302 01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:06.520 He mentioned on his own Twitter account he was not 1303 01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:08.319 asked to score the sequel. 1304 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.680 That is baffling to me, Like, I think he dodged 1305 01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:15.760 a bullet. Yeah, well, I mean but he missed a paycheck. 1306 01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:17.640 He missed a paycheck. But I mean, but at this 1307 01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:19.479 point he was doing the Bond film, so he's probably 1308 01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:26.000 doing fine. Yeah, but but that's weird to me because Stargate, 1309 01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:31.840 in Independence Day and Godzilla, all three of those movies, 1310 01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:38.079 David Arnold elevates every single one of those experiences substantially. 1311 01:12:37.399 --> 01:12:43.399 And those Bond scores are incredible. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 1312 01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:45.439 So that's. 1313 01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:48.600 Just weird, you know. Yeah, Like like it's funny because 1314 01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:51.640 he didn't score The Patriot, right, and you're like, well, 1315 01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:53.760 why wouldn't you get David l oh Well, John Williams. 1316 01:12:53.800 --> 01:13:01.319 That's why got right. That's like, that's the only acceptable substitute. 1317 01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:05.039 If you got John Williams to do this, maybe I'm interested, 1318 01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:05.680 you know, I'd like. 1319 01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:08.359 To watch that again, The Patriot. I remember liking that movie. 1320 01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:09.319 I haven't seen it in a while. 1321 01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:14.359 I remember it feels like prestige meets Rollan Emeric. 1322 01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:19.239 Yes in a successful way, right, a little elevated for 1323 01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:21.439 a Rollin Emerick movie, but it still has the like, 1324 01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:27.640 you know, sniveling bad guy, stupid boy. Yeah exactly exactly, 1325 01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:29.560 And it's like, yeah, I know, I. 1326 01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:31.279 Know the Church put the people in the church and 1327 01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:38.560 put it. But you're like, oh, that guy's gotta pay. Yeah, 1328 01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:40.479 it's fine. I was watching a few minutes of that, 1329 01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:42.439 and my oldest just like, hey, we've never seen this. 1330 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:46.000 I'm like, maybe we will. Maybe we will. Son, Maybe 1331 01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:51.359 maybe we will, boy, maybe we will. Yeah that was 1332 01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:55.479 that was peek Mel Gibson, Oh, totally yeah. Right. It 1333 01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:58.640 feels like there was sort of a rapid dissent that 1334 01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:05.720 followed a shortly after her. Ye ye, well there you go. 1335 01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:09.439 But yeah, so this sequence here again, you know, I 1336 01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:12.640 think the missed opportunity is you've got a great actress 1337 01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:16.920 and Celia a Ward and and this, so you know, 1338 01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:19.560 we're at roughly the halfway point here the death of 1339 01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:24.159 the president should really hit yeah, and and it just 1340 01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:29.119 doesn't for whatever reason. I know, like like, you know, 1341 01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:34.000 Patricia has a relationship with her. Clearly we don't see 1342 01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:38.720 her react, you know, like, yeah, that's a good point, 1343 01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:42.079 Like just just play it off of her face, you know, 1344 01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:46.680 you know, the people come in to administer the oath 1345 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:49.600 to Fickner, and then we just see her face and 1346 01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:52.439 maybe you know, she's we just see a tear rolling 1347 01:14:52.439 --> 01:14:53.079 down her cheeks. 1348 01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:54.680 Something you know something something. 1349 01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:54.960 Yeah. 1350 01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:01.399 You know what's interesting is they do have of books 1351 01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:05.880 that came out after the first movie, So there have 1352 01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:07.199 been sequels written. 1353 01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:08.159 I don't know what they're about. 1354 01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:10.800 I didn't really dig into it that I thought that was 1355 01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:14.319 kind of fascinating and I wonder what those stories were interesting. 1356 01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:18.399 Yeah, yeah, you know, there were sequel novels to Stargate 1357 01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:24.720 before the television show started that I did read, and 1358 01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:28.319 those were fascinating because especially like in light of the 1359 01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:31.920 TV show, you see, because my sense is that they 1360 01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:35.680 were based on Emeric and Devlin's ideas for what they 1361 01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:37.960 would have done with Stargate. No interesting, so it just 1362 01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:41.000 it went in a vastly different direction, you know. Yeah, 1363 01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:43.439 so I would assume Independence Day is something similar. You know. 1364 01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:45.479 It's kind of cool, I mean, especially if you're a fan. 1365 01:15:47.239 --> 01:15:50.359 By the way, so the Fickener's swearing in thing. Yeah, 1366 01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:52.239 like we didn't even get like a close up of 1367 01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:55.199 like him hearing the news that the president has passed away. 1368 01:15:55.239 --> 01:15:56.439 You know, it'd be kind of interesting. I don't know 1369 01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:57.000 any I think. 1370 01:15:56.880 --> 01:15:59.960 It's Elizabeth if you know, it's like, well, the president 1371 01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:01.760 and is dead now and just seeing him go like 1372 01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:06.039 Elizabeth like she's a person, yeah, you know, like and 1373 01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:09.399 then it's like now it's you and him is standing 1374 01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:11.399 straighter and like, okay, well I gotta do what I 1375 01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:14.239 gotta do, like just something to bring some humanity into it. 1376 01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:16.640 But it's we don't really get a reaction from him. 1377 01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:18.520 He puts his hand on the Bible and then we're out, 1378 01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:20.800 we cut to something else. It's like, now let's let's 1379 01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:21.560 live in this here. 1380 01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:25.359 Yeah yeah, And I think part of it, I mean 1381 01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:27.039 it just Fickner is such a good actor. 1382 01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:29.479 Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you know. 1383 01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:34.359 And it's just it helps that that he carries a 1384 01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:37.439 certain gravitas, you know. H Like, I think it's interesting 1385 01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:40.439 like in in the Dark Night he that could have 1386 01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:41.720 been anybody. 1387 01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:43.640 Sure, Yeah, yeah, it's kind of interesting. 1388 01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:46.119 Would you you think he's going to be a bigger character, 1389 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:46.880 right yeah? 1390 01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:49.680 And I think it's just as now he's gonna bring 1391 01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:53.760 like you're gonna remember him. H you know. Uh, So 1392 01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:56.560 that that is that is frustrating that you know, we 1393 01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:00.079 don't we don't do something more interesting with him, and 1394 01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:05.760 and you know, have have Wit more be there as 1395 01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:10.479 kind of a mentor figure m instead of like this 1396 01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:13.359 right here, this is supposed to be the equivalent of 1397 01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:19.439 the yes we will not go quietly speech. Yeah, man, 1398 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:22.159 does this suck? It? Does? You know? 1399 01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:24.079 Not just for us as an audience, but I do 1400 01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:26.760 wonder if you were there in that room, if you'd 1401 01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:30.359 be like, oh, he's like doing the thing, and it's like, 1402 01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:32.800 I don't know if this is meeting the moment, Like 1403 01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:36.000 this is kind of uncomfortable, you know. 1404 01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:41.880 It feels like in Rise of Skywalker, where remember when 1405 01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:46.359 when Orlando gives Poe like the inspirational. 1406 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:51.039 Speech oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes right, and. 1407 01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:53.840 Like I feel like, I mean, that's not like raw 1408 01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:56.760 Ra in this, but I feel like that hits certain 1409 01:17:56.800 --> 01:18:01.479 beats that make it work. And this could have been 1410 01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:04.960 at least at that level. But it's like the wrong 1411 01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:08.279 time in the movie. It feels like yeah, yeah right, 1412 01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:10.239 but it didn't have to be because we did just 1413 01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:13.159 lose the president, Like this could be that that that 1414 01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:18.439 really low moment and we're seeing everybody like all is lost, 1415 01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:21.359 Like what holds do we have? So you give that 1416 01:18:22.199 --> 01:18:27.520 angst to William Fickner. Yeah, and then you have whitmore 1417 01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:32.920 coming in yes right, yes, and be the Lando Yep, 1418 01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:40.119 you fixed it. You're very good at this, that's I 1419 01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:43.279 have to say whenever. I mean, I was not expecting 1420 01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:45.760 to revisit this ten years later and be like, holy shit, 1421 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:48.319 what a hidden gem I missed? You know, I say, 1422 01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:51.000 figured my opinion would stay the same, but I was like, 1423 01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:53.680 you know, I feel like we'll have an interesting discussion same. 1424 01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:56.840 And I you know, I don't regret rewatching it. 1425 01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:57.800 It is fascinating. 1426 01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:02.000 I think sometimes this is some of the most interesting 1427 01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:04.239 things we can do. I'm just I don't know if 1428 01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:05.800 it is anybody else, but for me and you like, 1429 01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:07.680 it's kind of cool to watch this and go, wait, 1430 01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:10.159 why is this not working? Let's think about it. Let's spitball. 1431 01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:12.680 What what could we tweak that's already here? How can 1432 01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:15.159 we tweak this and get it on track? That's always 1433 01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:17.239 kind of a fun exercise with you. 1434 01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:20.520 Yeah, well, well what we're seeing right there? With that, 1435 01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:25.600 with that again that that apple poke ball, this other 1436 01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:29.159 race is involved, right yes, And to me, this is 1437 01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:32.520 probably the single most interesting part of the story is 1438 01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:38.399 that other races that these freakin' assholes have have conquered 1439 01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:42.600 have sought us out because because they're like, we're the 1440 01:19:42.640 --> 01:19:51.119 only ones who've defeated them. Help us Yep, that's interesting. Yeah, 1441 01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:54.079 but I think you need to give us a window 1442 01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:58.159 into that, you know, like show us even if it's 1443 01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:00.920 like on a screen, like in that thing, showing images 1444 01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:05.000 of all these other worlds that have been raised by 1445 01:20:05.159 --> 01:20:09.840 by these aliens. Right, Yeah, but the problem is forget 1446 01:20:10.119 --> 01:20:12.399 these like quote unquote good guy aliens. We don't get 1447 01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:15.720 any insight into them. We don't get any additional insight 1448 01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:19.239 into the bad guy aliens. Yeah at all. 1449 01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:23.239 Yeah, they're just yeah creatures in shadow. 1450 01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:28.520 Yeah, right, Like I think I think that's you're missed opportunity, right, 1451 01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:34.600 because like the film, this one starts with you know, 1452 01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:38.479 the the alien queen or whatever you know, comes across 1453 01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:41.119 the first film on TBS or something gets pissed off. 1454 01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:50.600 Actually what happens. Yeah, it's like and there's Pullman's speech 1455 01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:51.319 and they get all mad. 1456 01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:53.600 Yeah, it's like being being through space or something, right, 1457 01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:53.960 and they. 1458 01:20:55.159 --> 01:20:57.960 Which I mean literally because it's like the exact footage 1459 01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:01.439 from the movie. Yeah, how did they get that footage? 1460 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:08.479 You know that's funny because that's in Godzilla the Emeric 1461 01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:11.199 and Devil in Godzilla, if you remember, it's a plot 1462 01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:13.600 point about how there's like the footage of the old 1463 01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:15.800 Japanese man. Do you remember this? 1464 01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:18.800 It's like Quotira, Yeah, I do remember the man, but. 1465 01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:23.199 Yeah, and it's like that footage, Like it's like they 1466 01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:25.399 it's like the characters in the movie have the rushes 1467 01:21:25.399 --> 01:21:28.960 from the movie, right, right, right, because it's the exact 1468 01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:31.359 same angle. It's like what we saw in the movie, 1469 01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:37.439 right right, that's something similar here, you know, but based 1470 01:21:37.439 --> 01:21:39.359 on what we've seen the original film, the sense is 1471 01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:42.920 like they're not They don't think of us as as 1472 01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:47.560 as intelligent species. We're just insects to be to be eradicated, right, 1473 01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:58.479 So what would make them want revenge? Right? Like, yeah, 1474 01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:01.039 there's like there's something interest there. Right, this is the 1475 01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:05.760 first time they've had somebody defeat them, and now they 1476 01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:07.800 realize there's more twists than you know what I mean, 1477 01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:10.000 like because their plan is different in this one. Oh, 1478 01:22:10.039 --> 01:22:12.880 they're doing the drilling into the you know, the core 1479 01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:14.600 or whatever. Well they didn't do that before. 1480 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:18.479 Right, and that it's like for an energy source, right, right, 1481 01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:21.720 So what's different like get into that right? Yeah, I mean, 1482 01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:24.760 I guess it's hard to reconcile why it took them 1483 01:22:24.760 --> 01:22:28.359 twenty years to retaliate, but maybe it doesn't have to 1484 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:30.439 be twenty years. 1485 01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:32.239 That's that's a good point. Actually, didn't need to be 1486 01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:34.119 twenty years. I do like that though. Yeah, this is 1487 01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:35.880 their first defeat. Well maybe not. 1488 01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:38.439 I guess it's this other species that defeated them once. 1489 01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:43.279 But well, so they're being they need help because they 1490 01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:45.279 know how to defeat them, but they're being sort of 1491 01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:48.079 pummeled for it, I guess yeah, and so maybe yeah, 1492 01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:50.319 now they're going to retaliate against us, and they can say, like, 1493 01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:52.479 that's what they do. You hold them off you that's great, 1494 01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:54.800 but they come back and they come back harder. 1495 01:22:55.359 --> 01:23:00.239 Yeah, see that's interesting. Yeah, and it's like we we 1496 01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:03.760 got cocky mm hmmm, because we're like, hey, we kick 1497 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:05.520 their asses and it's been twenty years they haven't come 1498 01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:06.640 back and we just weren't ready. 1499 01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:09.920 And now we have flying cars and everything's cool, right. 1500 01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:13.720 Yeah. Yeah. 1501 01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:17.439 I do love what Emeric does really well is he 1502 01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:22.680 makes his movies worldwide stories, and like you were saying 1503 01:23:22.680 --> 01:23:25.199 earlier with the Warlord character, I do like that he 1504 01:23:26.359 --> 01:23:27.199 his experience. 1505 01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:29.119 You know, the world's a big place. 1506 01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:32.119 He had a different experience over there with these aliens 1507 01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:35.399 because that ship actually touched down. Yeah, right, So he's 1508 01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:38.159 got a different skill set than the people in Washington, 1509 01:23:38.279 --> 01:23:42.199 DC versus someone over in France or you know, right, 1510 01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:45.159 And so I do like him being incorporated here because 1511 01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:47.439 he's got a skill set and just you know, the 1512 01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:50.479 ragtag group of people that would otherwise never be together. 1513 01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:53.880 That is a fun thing. I don't know it's used 1514 01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:56.600 to its fullest potential, but it is fun. 1515 01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:00.039 I mean, well I said before, I mean that that 1516 01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:04.479 would have been an interesting movie to see, you know see, 1517 01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:08.640 And I wonder about that too, right, did they just 1518 01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:10.600 wait too long? I mean we were talking about this before. 1519 01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:13.760 Was is it simply like, you know, you should have 1520 01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:17.399 come back ten years later with a sequel and kind 1521 01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:21.520 of prime the pump a little bit, make this a living, 1522 01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:24.279 breathing franchise as opposed to a thing twenty years later 1523 01:24:24.279 --> 01:24:28.520 after people stopped caring. You know, it's interesting. I saw that. 1524 01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:31.880 I guess Fox paid Dean devil In a lot of 1525 01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:34.720 money to write a script for a sequel, and he 1526 01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:37.319 did finish one, but he didn't feel good about it 1527 01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:39.800 and he gave the money back, So. 1528 01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:43.359 For him, I actually that's pretty Yeah. I respect that. 1529 01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:47.760 But then, yes, I guess about fifteen years later, he's like, wait, 1530 01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:49.520 I think I might have cracked this. Talked to Emeric, 1531 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:51.880 but time had moved on a little bit. Will Smith 1532 01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:55.880 had a busy schedule. Yeah, and even Emeric has said that, 1533 01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:59.119 you know, not having Smith, we probably. 1534 01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:00.960 Shouldn't have done it, shouldn't have done it. 1535 01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:04.560 He's like, we had a much better script, and then 1536 01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:08.079 once he was out, we cobbled together something really quickly, 1537 01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:10.560 and that's just not the way to make a movie. 1538 01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:14.239 Yeah. I was reading about how well, I mean, there's 1539 01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:17.960 like five credited you know, writers on it, so you 1540 01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:20.199 already know it's kind of a Frankenstein monster everything. But 1541 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:26.600 they had James Vanderbilt, who did White House Down, Okay, 1542 01:25:27.640 --> 01:25:31.600 essentially take the script they had and basically remove Will 1543 01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:34.760 Smith from it. And so you do wonder, well, what 1544 01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:36.840 did it look like when Stephen Hiller was a character? 1545 01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:41.640 Wow, you just unlocked something in my brain. I feel 1546 01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:44.319 like the version of the script I read had Will 1547 01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:47.960 Smith's son in it still, but they were like held 1548 01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:52.520 captive somewhere in like a big football stadium, like they 1549 01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:53.960 had been turned into a prison camp. 1550 01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:57.520 Interesting. The sun is, yeah, well. 1551 01:25:57.840 --> 01:26:00.880 That was just I'm like having a vision like something 1552 01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:03.000 I haven't thought about in ten years or something, but 1553 01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:06.680 uh yeah, I just remember that visual. 1554 01:26:06.399 --> 01:26:06.920 In my mind. 1555 01:26:07.439 --> 01:26:10.079 So I'm sure there are a lot of versions of this. 1556 01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:14.119 That's interesting. Yeah. 1557 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:17.199 I did try to find if there was a script 1558 01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:20.479 online with the Will Smith Hiller character in it. 1559 01:26:20.399 --> 01:26:25.479 But I couldn't find one. Okay, Yeah, I mean it's 1560 01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:30.760 it's clear like there there's business that that the you know, 1561 01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:34.239 the fighter pilot portion of the story would clearly have 1562 01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:37.840 involved him in some way, shape or form. But I just, 1563 01:26:37.880 --> 01:26:41.520 you know, I mean, I wonder what the relationship is 1564 01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:44.720 between him and the Sun do you do you have them? 1565 01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:47.720 Is strange? Maybe like it's this, you know, it's it's 1566 01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:51.119 Jake and Dylan in this movie, but maybe it's it's 1567 01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:54.119 Hiller senior and the younger one. 1568 01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:57.399 Yeah, who has feels like he can't live up or 1569 01:26:57.479 --> 01:26:58.039 he's living. 1570 01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:05.319 In a shadow of Maverick, Maverick and Ruth exactly. Yeah. Yeah, right, yeah, So, 1571 01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:07.079 well she's a pilot. There's a lot of a lot 1572 01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:09.600 of our characters are pilots here. A lot of these 1573 01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:17.479 people could do this. Yeah. See, so so this is 1574 01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:19.319 what I'm talking about. Yeah, I was gonna say, I 1575 01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:22.000 I want you to talk me through this. So the 1576 01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:24.000 idea here is somebody has to go in there, but 1577 01:27:24.039 --> 01:27:26.000 it's certain depth. And he's like, well, then I'm going 1578 01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:28.560 to do it. And I'm like, I think that's a 1579 01:27:28.600 --> 01:27:33.399 mistake because we're just waiting for him to die. 1580 01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:36.960 Then oh I see, I see. 1581 01:27:37.039 --> 01:27:38.600 Yeah, do you get what I'm saying, Like like, if 1582 01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:42.720 it's if it's let me put it asuy. If if 1583 01:27:42.760 --> 01:27:47.079 he's doing the noble sacrifice knowingly, then you don't have 1584 01:27:47.159 --> 01:27:52.720 him die. But if he's going to succeed sacrificing himself, 1585 01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:54.399 you don't telegraph. 1586 01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:56.520 It, yes, because then all the tension is gone and 1587 01:27:56.560 --> 01:27:58.319 all the emotion is gone because that's what he signed 1588 01:27:58.359 --> 01:27:59.840 up to do, and then he does it and then 1589 01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:02.239 over right, Yeah, that's a good point. 1590 01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:05.439 So to me that that's so number one, that earlier 1591 01:28:05.479 --> 01:28:07.439 scene with the when he goes into the chamber, you 1592 01:28:07.479 --> 01:28:11.640 don't have that be a suicidal situation. You have it 1593 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:15.079 like they think he's he's in danger, but he's actually 1594 01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:18.520 in full control. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's like tell me 1595 01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:20.800 and then he you know, and then and then he 1596 01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:22.720 he has this moment he's like looking it into its 1597 01:28:22.720 --> 01:28:24.960 eyes and then and then the door opens he's like 1598 01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:25.720 this is their plan. 1599 01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:28.560 Mm hmm right, I love that. 1600 01:28:29.119 --> 01:28:32.720 Yeah. So that's that. And then here again, either you 1601 01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:35.000 have him say all right, I'm going to sacrifice myself 1602 01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:40.039 and then at the last minute it's not or again 1603 01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:43.319 if you if you, I'm fine either way. As far 1604 01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:45.800 as whether Whitmore lives or dies, my only thing is 1605 01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:50.239 how does it happen for manimum impact? For what's what's 1606 01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:54.439 the most emotional impact? Yeah? Yeah, you know, because again 1607 01:28:54.479 --> 01:28:57.239 say what you will. I think I think Han Solo's 1608 01:28:57.279 --> 01:29:01.680 death hits on an emotional level and it's like, well, 1609 01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:04.119 why what what makes that work? Let's reverse engineer that. 1610 01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:06.479 And I think that's you know, it's it's because it 1611 01:29:07.079 --> 01:29:10.199 because it's like at that moment again, he's not like 1612 01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:13.640 going into it like all right, this is my suicide mission. 1613 01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:18.479 It's when he steps onto the catwalk, you're like, oh no, yeah, 1614 01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:20.760 I know what's about to happen, right, yeah, and. 1615 01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:26.720 Yet you're still you know, leaning forward and listening, you know, 1616 01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:29.520 hanging on every word between them and hoping it won't happen. 1617 01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:32.880 It still makes you believe maybe it might not exactly. 1618 01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:37.760 Yeah. So so on top of all of that, with 1619 01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:43.000 with whitmore, the heroic sacrifice ends up being meaningless. 1620 01:29:43.239 --> 01:29:45.720 He's like, I'm gonna die in forty five minutes. See 1621 01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:49.880 you there. It's basically what you're saying, right. 1622 01:29:52.079 --> 01:29:56.399 Really, that's what it is. Yeah, live stream, you know, 1623 01:29:56.800 --> 01:30:01.039 to go out and and and and he doesn't accomplish anything. 1624 01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:09.319 So yeah, it's freaking bullshit. This is weird, right, because 1625 01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:12.840 watching this, I was literally like, was there a writer's 1626 01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:17.039 strike or something like? No? Right, because sometimes you can 1627 01:30:17.079 --> 01:30:20.239 write off some of these decisions right, right, you know, 1628 01:30:20.319 --> 01:30:22.199 because it's just pencils down, right, because I think that's 1629 01:30:22.239 --> 01:30:26.159 what happened with Terminator Salvation, right, Yeah, that feels right. 1630 01:30:26.199 --> 01:30:29.399 The timing area it up. It's like, I don't think 1631 01:30:29.399 --> 01:30:34.039 there's a writer's strike. No, it was just shitty story construction. 1632 01:30:34.399 --> 01:30:36.760 And also maybe just like you know, out of this 1633 01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:40.560 thing's in motion, it's going to happen at this point. 1634 01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:42.920 Maybe they put a lot of money into pre production 1635 01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:44.880 and all that sort of thing, and it's like, no, this, 1636 01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:48.960 we're going to put this out on this date, figure 1637 01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:52.359 out what it is, versus ever feeling good about what 1638 01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:53.039 they had. 1639 01:30:53.399 --> 01:30:57.399 Yeah, and clearly they didn't feel good about what they had. 1640 01:30:57.439 --> 01:31:01.000 But because Yeah, they're they're open about it. Yeah, I 1641 01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:05.720 mean it went into production, they assumed the name, the 1642 01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:09.640 name of the film would get people in theaters, so 1643 01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:15.039 they wildly overestimated how much demand there was. Yeah, without 1644 01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:17.640 again a big star really out there selling, and you 1645 01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:23.640 kind of you realize, you know, the marketing environment for 1646 01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:28.960 selling movies has obviously changed a lot, but certainly now 1647 01:31:29.039 --> 01:31:30.760 in you know, ten years after the movie came out. 1648 01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:33.640 You know, when you watch YouTube, there's a movie coming out, 1649 01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:38.399 and you see all like the YouTube shows that stars 1650 01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:41.720 show up on you know what I mean, Yeah, like 1651 01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:44.359 hot ones or oh looking back at their career whatever, 1652 01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:49.479 and you realize, like how important that visibility is. And 1653 01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:55.439 so who in this movie had the kind of sort 1654 01:31:55.479 --> 01:32:01.439 of algorithmic reach to break through other than Will Smith? 1655 01:32:02.600 --> 01:32:05.680 Yeah, or I mean maybe they were hoping one would 1656 01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:09.640 this would be their moment, but it's just I don't know, 1657 01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:12.199 none of these characters even have strong enough a moment 1658 01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:13.239 in this movie too. 1659 01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:17.000 You know, you walk away remembering what they do. 1660 01:32:17.600 --> 01:32:20.239 I mean I said this previously, but you know, this 1661 01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:23.920 is a year out from Phantom from Force Awakens, and 1662 01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:27.079 I'm like, imagine Force Awakens, but you you don't like 1663 01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:32.359 Ray Poe or Finn right right, or Kylo Wren. 1664 01:32:33.399 --> 01:32:34.960 I mean, that's the thing good. I was thinking that 1665 01:32:35.079 --> 01:32:37.119 actually right now. And this is I kept thinking of 1666 01:32:37.159 --> 01:32:39.359 Starship Troopers for some reason when I was watching this, 1667 01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:44.760 Like at least that gang has an understandable chummy vibe 1668 01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:47.439 so that when they experience highs and lows and losses, 1669 01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:51.880 it's you know, as goofy as that movie is, you're 1670 01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:53.920 tracking with it and you feel it to some degree. 1671 01:32:54.279 --> 01:32:56.680 But here we should be feeling great for this gang, 1672 01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:59.720 like our gang is together and they're in this crazy 1673 01:32:59.760 --> 01:33:02.119 scare and they have to do this thing. They have 1674 01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:03.840 to pull this off to save the world. But like, 1675 01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:07.640 I don't. I don't feel anything for these people, yeah, 1676 01:33:07.760 --> 01:33:12.680 or or they're friendships, that's you know, I don't know. Well, 1677 01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:14.680 I think I'm repeating himself in that, but you know 1678 01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:15.199 what I mean. 1679 01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:17.640 Right, No, I I understand what you're saying. And I 1680 01:33:18.039 --> 01:33:23.560 think the problem is that Dylan should really be our 1681 01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:28.079 end to these other characters. So you make Dylan, Like, okay, 1682 01:33:28.079 --> 01:33:31.800 so probably you don't cast Jesse Usher and or you 1683 01:33:31.880 --> 01:33:35.840 have a better script, so that's like step one, right, 1684 01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:39.920 But you make Dylan likable and then and then we 1685 01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:44.279 meet the other characters through him. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1686 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:47.840 Oh, the great Dylan Hiller, like we're all aware of 1687 01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:50.800 your dad, you know kind of thing he's got. He's 1688 01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:54.960 he's working against something. But then he proves himself and 1689 01:33:55.079 --> 01:33:57.720 they had this undeniable bond in friendship. And then they 1690 01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:00.079 go into hell together and come out and it feels so. 1691 01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:03.439 And I I think it's all it's a mistake to 1692 01:34:03.560 --> 01:34:07.520 have this sort of this uh not rivalry is the 1693 01:34:07.560 --> 01:34:09.479 wrong word, but like you know, him and Jake like 1694 01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:13.279 don't don't get along. Yeah, and then they they work 1695 01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:16.159 through it because I think it's more interesting if they're 1696 01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:20.880 buddies and we get to see how they're you know, 1697 01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:23.399 one kind of has this gear, the other has this gear. 1698 01:34:23.439 --> 01:34:26.000 And the Charlie character is totally unessential, don't need him 1699 01:34:26.039 --> 01:34:32.800 at all. Yeah, we focus on on these two, but 1700 01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:36.880 it's it's I'm I'm like, you realize, like it's like, oh, 1701 01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:40.800 the angela baby character, we need her because you know China, 1702 01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:44.399 and but we need her to I guess we need 1703 01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:48.199 this Charlie character because otherwise she's just there, she's. 1704 01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:51.960 Not yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know 1705 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:54.640 it's funny though, because I feel like that Charlie character 1706 01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:56.960 in this version, we do need him because otherwise there's 1707 01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:00.439 nothing interesting happening with any of those people. I at 1708 01:35:00.520 --> 01:35:02.439 least he has a twinge of personality. 1709 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:07.039 Yeah, and that personality would have mattered when he died. Oops. 1710 01:35:08.439 --> 01:35:14.720 Yeah yeah, sorry, Patty, I have to go die now. 1711 01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:23.880 He should have just kept saying it just to continually 1712 01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:25.520 take away the impact. 1713 01:35:25.119 --> 01:35:27.880 For the rest of the movie. Well, dying to save 1714 01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:33.000 the planet. Literally, no, seriously, I'm about to Oh look, 1715 01:35:33.159 --> 01:35:42.600 there's a Snickers bar in here, my last Snickers bar. Yeah. 1716 01:35:42.680 --> 01:35:45.960 Yeah, this is so random, Judd jud Hirsh So I'm like, 1717 01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:48.159 his whole thing is I got to get. 1718 01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:50.640 To my boy why Yeah, yep. 1719 01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:52.560 And there's no point in anything he's just It almost 1720 01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:55.319 makes him look stupid because now he's gonna screw up 1721 01:35:55.319 --> 01:35:57.680 the whole plan just by arriving when he had no 1722 01:35:57.760 --> 01:35:59.640 reason to need to arrive, or he's not holding some 1723 01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:03.239 secret that's gonna help, or like you're wrong, your calculations 1724 01:36:03.239 --> 01:36:05.359 are wrong, Like usually that would be what this person 1725 01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:09.359 would be doing, and they've got to get there. Definitely that, 1726 01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:15.520 But all you needed was one scene earlier in the 1727 01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:20.960 film where Julius and David talk to each other and 1728 01:36:22.039 --> 01:36:27.600 David says, you got to get here or don't try 1729 01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:32.840 to come here some right, yeah, either one of those, yep, 1730 01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:37.199 because they don't actually speak until like, you know, five 1731 01:36:37.199 --> 01:36:38.079 minutes from now. 1732 01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:40.039 And it's basically like, what are you doing here? You're 1733 01:36:40.039 --> 01:36:42.439 like messing everything up exactly right. 1734 01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:46.159 So it's either you need to get here and Julius 1735 01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:47.680 is like, Okay, I got to get there no matter what, 1736 01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:51.560 or again, you know, stay away from here and Julius like, no, 1737 01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:53.680 I have this vital information I need to tell you. 1738 01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:57.880 Yeah, exactly. Either one of those, totally yeah. Otherwise it 1739 01:36:57.960 --> 01:36:59.159 just makes them look foolish. 1740 01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:04.960 Yeah, it really. It feels like they signed jud Hirsh 1741 01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:11.079 and then they were like oh shit, oh shit. They 1742 01:37:11.079 --> 01:37:13.000 got the draft turned in and he was like, well 1743 01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:17.840 this wait jud Hirsh gets the pages. He's like, uh uh, Fellas, 1744 01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:20.359 just I noticed something. Yeah, I don't I don't want 1745 01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:27.079 to ruffle any feathers, but I notice a lack of me. 1746 01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:33.680 I don't want to ruffle any feathers. I like that 1747 01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:37.680 you got a jut Hirsh. This is the moment Zachie, 1748 01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:45.800 this is the moment. Use it. Use it as much 1749 01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:49.960 as you can, because in twenty minutes, I don't know 1750 01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:51.479 how often you're gonna be able to pull that one 1751 01:37:51.479 --> 01:37:53.880 out by jut hirsh impression. 1752 01:37:54.520 --> 01:37:56.319 But look at all this terrible lighting on everybody. 1753 01:37:56.920 --> 01:37:59.840 Yeah, because it's clearly on a sound stage, they might 1754 01:37:59.840 --> 01:38:05.399 as well I've shot this in the volume. Yes, yes, yeah, 1755 01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:09.680 and it just just just go to the desert to 1756 01:38:09.720 --> 01:38:11.840 set some cameras up. What are you doing? I know, 1757 01:38:12.319 --> 01:38:18.680 I know, it's it. It's baffling. See some of this, 1758 01:38:19.159 --> 01:38:21.640 I'm confused. Some of it does look like it's outside. 1759 01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:25.039 This does not at all. No, this This was the 1760 01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:27.399 moment where I was like, is this shot during COVID? 1761 01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:37.119 That was you know, not these guys again. But I do. 1762 01:38:37.239 --> 01:38:37.840 I like this plan. 1763 01:38:37.960 --> 01:38:39.439 You know, when this plan was being set up and 1764 01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:41.319 they're like, Okay, we'll have the decoy and then we'll 1765 01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:43.840 put the bomb in this thing and it'll be we'll 1766 01:38:43.840 --> 01:38:44.880 put the shields around it. 1767 01:38:44.840 --> 01:38:48.279 I was like, oh, I love like a really clear plan. 1768 01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:50.640 Yeah, And sometimes movies just feel like they have to 1769 01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:53.800 overcomplicate things, and I was like, this is this is good? 1770 01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:57.039 I like this. Yeah, I think the broad strokes of 1771 01:38:57.079 --> 01:39:03.039 the plan work. I think that see okay, so here sorry, 1772 01:39:03.520 --> 01:39:07.039 last talk with my daughter, see I can right, like, no, 1773 01:39:07.760 --> 01:39:12.079 you have them together. And then he makes a last 1774 01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:14.600 second thing to sacrifice himself to save his daughter. 1775 01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:17.920 Yes and maybe yes, they're racing together, and maybe he 1776 01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:21.199 dings her wing or something, forcing her to have to 1777 01:39:21.239 --> 01:39:23.359 eject so he can go forward. 1778 01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:27.560 See again, you give him the the Russell Case Randy 1779 01:39:27.640 --> 01:39:32.000 Quaid sacrifice, which is really still all these years later, 1780 01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:35.279 really impactful in his kids hearing him over the radio, 1781 01:39:35.600 --> 01:39:39.399 I'm telling you, you know, when he processes what he's 1782 01:39:39.439 --> 01:39:42.560 about to do, and then he says, I want you 1783 01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:45.199 to tell my children I love them very much. Mm hmmm. 1784 01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:49.560 It's great, totally right, And so you give I mean, 1785 01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:54.680 and it's appropriate because Russell Case sacrifices himself for the president, 1786 01:39:56.079 --> 01:39:58.880 and so now you give that moment, you know, you 1787 01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:00.680 give that moment to the president in this one. 1788 01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:05.359 Yep, yep, and it'd be yep, surprising and emotional. We 1789 01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:07.319 love this character. We're already attached to him because of 1790 01:40:07.319 --> 01:40:08.279 two movies. 1791 01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:10.840 Like like literally you have In his final moment, he 1792 01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:13.720 says something like like never stop flying or something like that. 1793 01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:28.119 Yeah, yeah, you know, ah, they've been really sweet, right yeah. 1794 01:40:24.199 --> 01:40:26.399 Like like even even you know, on Behalf of the 1795 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:28.239 People of Earth Happy Fourth of July. I think that 1796 01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:33.840 all works, but it only works if it actually works. 1797 01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:37.520 And so the fact that he blew himself up, it's 1798 01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:41.520 like the guy in conk Skull Island, remember, yes Shay 1799 01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:44.119 Wigham character, he gives himself the heroic sacrifice and it 1800 01:40:44.119 --> 01:40:46.760 doesn't amount to shit. Yeah, he gets like flicked away 1801 01:40:46.800 --> 01:40:50.880 then blown up. Which it's so funny because people take 1802 01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:54.159 that clip out of context and they're like, what a 1803 01:40:54.239 --> 01:40:55.960 stupid he would you know, And I'm like, well, I 1804 01:40:56.000 --> 01:41:00.159 think it was meant like the film was critiquing the 1805 01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:03.680 whole idea of the heroic sacrifice. Again, the context of 1806 01:41:03.680 --> 01:41:05.399 the film, it works. It's just but if you if 1807 01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:11.800 you're doing a freaking TikTok thing, right right? Yeah you know. 1808 01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:17.680 Yeah, By the way, this is totally going to be 1809 01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:20.319 like a little dated already, but I got to ask 1810 01:41:20.359 --> 01:41:21.920 you this when you brought up TikTok. Have you seen 1811 01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:24.760 the trailer for the movie Hext, that new Disney animated movie. 1812 01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:26.680 No, I have not. 1813 01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:30.600 So I've seen online where people are pointing out that 1814 01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:34.239 every almost every shot in that trailer, the character is 1815 01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:36.760 dead center in the middle of the screen, which they're like, wow, 1816 01:41:36.800 --> 01:41:39.319 that's unusual framing. And now they're wondering if it was 1817 01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:42.319 done intentionally so it'd be easy to dice it up 1818 01:41:42.359 --> 01:41:43.439 into TikTok clips. 1819 01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:48.479 Fascinating? Is that interesting? I wonder? I love these conspiracies. 1820 01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:53.279 It's like this conspiracy I just found out about recently 1821 01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:57.479 where the reason uh Disney called the movie Frozen frozen 1822 01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:01.159 was so that if you googled Disney Frozen, the first 1823 01:42:01.159 --> 01:42:03.920 thing that came up wouldn't be about Walt Disney's frozen 1824 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:09.119 head right right, right right, which is just bonkers enough 1825 01:42:09.159 --> 01:42:10.159 to maybe be true. 1826 01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:13.119 I was gonna say, even with the TikTok hex thing 1827 01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:13.479 when it. 1828 01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:15.960 Comes to Susan Sarandon character by the way, okay, wait, wait, 1829 01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:16.680 let's look at this. 1830 01:42:17.439 --> 01:42:20.039 There's like an overhead sort of helicopter looking shot of it, 1831 01:42:20.199 --> 01:42:21.840 and I was like, you know what, it looks good 1832 01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:25.119 with the I think maybe because that that was cool. 1833 01:42:25.560 --> 01:42:28.840 That's a cool shot, and I think I don't mind 1834 01:42:28.840 --> 01:42:32.640 it in isolation, but it feels totally dissonant that suddenly 1835 01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:36.319 we're in like a Kaiju movie. Yeah, I mean, I 1836 01:42:36.319 --> 01:42:38.800 can't disagree, but I don't. I mean, that's on the 1837 01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:40.680 list of critiques, that's a very small one. 1838 01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:42.079 Just to be clear, Well, I think you know what 1839 01:42:42.159 --> 01:42:44.399 I'm realizing. Why I'm reacting so strongly to it is 1840 01:42:44.439 --> 01:42:46.760 because of what we said right from the very beginning 1841 01:42:46.800 --> 01:42:49.439 of this commentary, which is nothing on in this movie 1842 01:42:49.439 --> 01:42:52.800 feels grounded right down to these people existing in the desert. 1843 01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:55.600 Even that doesn't feel like that's real, right, because it 1844 01:42:55.600 --> 01:42:57.640 feels like they're inside a stage with like a fake 1845 01:42:57.760 --> 01:43:00.800 light simulating the sun and it looks phony. However, that 1846 01:43:00.920 --> 01:43:04.520 shot because it's probably not real, it was made a computer, 1847 01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:08.159 but it looks like it's in an actual earth bound environment. 1848 01:43:08.760 --> 01:43:10.279 Yeah, and that's exciting to me. 1849 01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:18.600 Yeah. See, I I think that you know it. It's 1850 01:43:18.680 --> 01:43:22.279 it's a little bit like remember the the Predator movie, 1851 01:43:22.439 --> 01:43:27.319 the Shane Black one. I remember parts of it. Yeah, 1852 01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:29.600 admittedly I'm kind of with you, but there's like a 1853 01:43:29.720 --> 01:43:34.279 super size predator in that, like, like you know, most 1854 01:43:34.279 --> 01:43:35.199 predators are like. 1855 01:43:35.159 --> 01:43:37.840 A tall dude, yeah right, yeah, like seven foot or something. 1856 01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:41.479 Yeah, this is it's like a twenty foot tall predator. Wow, 1857 01:43:41.560 --> 01:43:41.840 you know, what. 1858 01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:42.760 I don't remember that. 1859 01:43:43.159 --> 01:43:46.920 Yeah, and I don't blame you, but I remember watching 1860 01:43:46.920 --> 01:43:50.359 that mean like that, I don't that doesn't work for me. 1861 01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:54.600 Mm yeah it it doesn't fit with with what we 1862 01:43:54.720 --> 01:43:57.560 know of this this universe. Yeah. Yeah, So I think 1863 01:43:57.600 --> 01:44:00.199 I have a similar reaction to this where I'm okay, yeah, 1864 01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:01.119 you know. 1865 01:44:01.279 --> 01:44:04.359 I you know what, you just made me understand your position. 1866 01:44:04.439 --> 01:44:07.239 I totally get it. I mean, I still like the 1867 01:44:07.239 --> 01:44:09.079 way it looks, but at this point I'm like, at 1868 01:44:09.159 --> 01:44:11.239 least I'm enjoying the way something looks in here. 1869 01:44:11.640 --> 01:44:14.119 So yeah, but I get it. It doesn't well. 1870 01:44:14.159 --> 01:44:17.239 I think I think the design of the creatures just 1871 01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:19.000 to just to kind of echo what you're saying. I 1872 01:44:19.039 --> 01:44:22.800 think Patrick to Topless made a really interesting creature in 1873 01:44:22.840 --> 01:44:25.680 that original film. Totally agree, And it stands out and 1874 01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:28.760 we haven't seen a lot of in the years since. 1875 01:44:28.920 --> 01:44:30.720 You know, it's not like a Cloverfield thing where a 1876 01:44:30.720 --> 01:44:32.359 whole bunch of things look just like it. You know, 1877 01:44:33.239 --> 01:44:37.119 the Independence Day aliens do you know they're kind of 1878 01:44:37.159 --> 01:44:39.119 in their own lane. M h yep. 1879 01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:43.920 They're like a nice hybrid of a humanoid slash the 1880 01:44:44.000 --> 01:44:45.239 Grays kind of thing. 1881 01:44:45.640 --> 01:44:50.000 Yeah, it's it's it's all the grays and the xenomorphs. Yep. 1882 01:44:50.520 --> 01:44:52.000 You put them in a blender and you get something 1883 01:44:52.079 --> 01:44:56.239 kind of interesting, you know. Yep. I like it. I 1884 01:44:56.399 --> 01:44:56.680 like it. 1885 01:44:56.760 --> 01:44:59.399 Wait, so do they end up shooting it in the 1886 01:44:59.399 --> 01:45:02.520 back because the Warlord character keeps talking about gotta get 1887 01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:03.159 him from the back. 1888 01:45:03.640 --> 01:45:09.479 Yeah, exactly, And because this whole it's like a armor. Yeah. 1889 01:45:09.640 --> 01:45:11.760 Oh is that how he gets through? I couldn't remember. 1890 01:45:12.439 --> 01:45:16.600 Yeah, it's yeah, because the alien the sorry, yeah, the 1891 01:45:16.640 --> 01:45:18.159 Warlord is like, yeah, you have to get him from 1892 01:45:18.199 --> 01:45:25.800 the back. See this, this sequence here is really where 1893 01:45:25.840 --> 01:45:31.279 a killer score would have helped. Yeah, you know, totally well. 1894 01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:35.439 And your sacrifice thing with the president, I mean, if 1895 01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:38.039 we were having carrying that in our hearts right now. 1896 01:45:39.600 --> 01:45:45.960 That yeah, it's just real. That's frustrating. I mean, I 1897 01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:49.439 mean the most emotional death in this film is coming 1898 01:45:49.520 --> 01:45:52.640 up here with with Oaken's husband. I was going to 1899 01:45:52.720 --> 01:45:55.560 say that I'd kind of forgot about this character. 1900 01:45:56.079 --> 01:45:57.399 Yeah, but watching. 1901 01:45:58.760 --> 01:46:00.880 Them say goodbye to each other, I was like, oh wow, 1902 01:46:01.079 --> 01:46:03.840 like that was really nice. It's very as well written 1903 01:46:03.880 --> 01:46:06.319 as well acted. I really felt something. 1904 01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:08.840 That's That's what I'm saying, Like I'm like, Brent Spiner 1905 01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:14.880 gets the most range to play in this film. You know. Yeah, 1906 01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:17.800 I saw somebody online had cut together a montage of 1907 01:46:17.920 --> 01:46:22.359 Liam Neeson, Liam Neeson, Liam Hemsworth yelling in this movie. 1908 01:46:22.439 --> 01:46:27.760 Oh really, he does do that a lot. I didn't 1909 01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:32.119 even pick up on that. Yeah, it was shoot. Where 1910 01:46:32.119 --> 01:46:33.439 did I see that? I can't remember now. 1911 01:46:37.520 --> 01:46:39.640 Yeah, It's like, no matter where these people are standing 1912 01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:41.840 in the desert, there's always a shadow on their face, 1913 01:46:43.359 --> 01:46:44.680 even when they're facing one another. 1914 01:46:44.720 --> 01:46:46.159 It's like, that's not how light works. 1915 01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:50.680 That's such a good point, right, Like, just when when 1916 01:46:50.720 --> 01:46:55.039 you drop something fantastical into an environment that that we 1917 01:46:55.279 --> 01:46:59.439 read as real, it makes such a difference in how 1918 01:46:59.479 --> 01:47:03.399 we process totally totally, because even if we're talking about 1919 01:47:03.439 --> 01:47:05.000 like a desert, right like at the end of the 1920 01:47:05.039 --> 01:47:07.760 original film, you know when when Will Smith and Jeff 1921 01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:11.039 Goldman's characters they crashed in the desert, looks like a 1922 01:47:11.079 --> 01:47:17.880 real desert, you know. See, so this guy he's had 1923 01:47:18.279 --> 01:47:23.359 it's his arc, not the warlord, the nerd in a screech, yeah, screech. 1924 01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:30.039 It's such a like tropy arc, you know. Yeah, this 1925 01:47:30.119 --> 01:47:31.399 is right here, right, It's sad. 1926 01:47:31.640 --> 01:47:35.960 Yeah, Well, you know, and because they've spent some real 1927 01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:36.520 time on it. 1928 01:47:37.479 --> 01:47:39.800 Well, the fact that we established that the whole time 1929 01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:42.960 Brent Spiner was in a coma, he was looking after him. 1930 01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:46.680 Yeah, which is it's it doesn't even take up that 1931 01:47:46.760 --> 01:47:49.760 much time, right, you know, but they just didn't take 1932 01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:51.640 the care with these other guys for some reason. 1933 01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:58.000 Yeah. It kind of what you said before, right, like, 1934 01:47:58.640 --> 01:48:02.039 give us, give us fifty teen additional minutes of character 1935 01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:05.159 development and see how much it makes the other two 1936 01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:06.600 hours go down easier. 1937 01:48:08.319 --> 01:48:12.560 Oh totally, you won't feel it if it's worth it. Yeah, Oh, 1938 01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:15.000 I forgot. That is such a good line, the h 1939 01:48:15.119 --> 01:48:17.199 where he gave him that scarf and he's like, I've 1940 01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:19.119 got something I got to tell you. This was supposed 1941 01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:23.359 to be a sweater. What a beautiful, sad, funny last line. 1942 01:48:23.760 --> 01:48:27.880 That's great, that's great. Yeah, the writer should have saved 1943 01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:29.880 that for another movie. 1944 01:48:30.279 --> 01:48:33.439 I don't doubt that that was James Vanderbilt who wrote 1945 01:48:33.439 --> 01:48:36.159 that line. I mean, he's a good writer. Yeah, you know, 1946 01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:42.640 I interviewed him. Oh gosh, what must have been like 1947 01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:47.159 twenty fourteen. I can't remember. It's for the movie truth. Wait, 1948 01:48:47.239 --> 01:48:52.880 remind me that's that's about sixty minutes and they did it. 1949 01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:57.239 It's Kate Blanchett and Robert Redford. Robert Redford plays Dan 1950 01:48:57.359 --> 01:48:58.680 rather Man. 1951 01:48:58.800 --> 01:49:00.840 That's like on the tip of my brain, but okay. 1952 01:49:00.680 --> 01:49:04.319 Yeah, it's about how sixty minutes thought they had proved 1953 01:49:04.359 --> 01:49:09.439 that George W. Bush had lied about his National Guard service. Okay, 1954 01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:13.479 and the subsequent what ends up happening. It resulted in 1955 01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:17.319 Dan rather having to leave CBS. Okay, feels like such 1956 01:49:17.359 --> 01:49:21.279 a quaint journalistic expose story given all the fucking bullshit 1957 01:49:21.319 --> 01:49:25.439 that's going on right now. But anyway, I interviewed him 1958 01:49:26.520 --> 01:49:28.640 about that film. He because he wrote and directed it. 1959 01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:31.840 Oh okay, so that would have been before this. I'm 1960 01:49:31.880 --> 01:49:34.800 pretty sure. I feeling actually, I don't want to say 1961 01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:35.399 the wrong thing on me. 1962 01:49:35.399 --> 01:49:38.199 Look that up by the way, credit where credits do 1963 01:49:38.399 --> 01:49:41.439 When we see this swarm of ships around the queen, 1964 01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:47.960 looks pretty good, I agree, Unlike the confusing, disorienting melee earlier. 1965 01:49:48.439 --> 01:49:50.600 This is a lot of stuff happening, but I can 1966 01:49:50.800 --> 01:49:52.479 make sense of all of it, and it makes sense 1967 01:49:52.479 --> 01:49:54.279 story wise, and I think it looks really good. 1968 01:49:54.640 --> 01:50:00.000 Yeah, yeah, there's a broad sense of what we're trying. 1969 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:03.319 I accomplish which I think helps so truth. I should 1970 01:50:03.319 --> 01:50:06.159 say it came out twenty fifteen, okay, the year before. 1971 01:50:06.479 --> 01:50:11.159 I remember when I talked to him. I was a 1972 01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:13.119 big fan of White House Down, and that was a 1973 01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:15.279 movie that underperformed, but I was like a champion of 1974 01:50:15.279 --> 01:50:18.960 that movie. And I think I've told you this. There's 1975 01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:20.680 one line in there that always cracks me up. It's 1976 01:50:20.680 --> 01:50:23.560 where the terrorists. It's like James Wood is their leader 1977 01:50:23.760 --> 01:50:27.119 and Jason Clark is like the grunt, you know, okay, 1978 01:50:27.520 --> 01:50:29.479 and so they're trying to capture the president who's played 1979 01:50:29.479 --> 01:50:32.640 by Jamie Fox. He got away and so James Wood's 1980 01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:35.039 so Jason Clark is getting all mad, like, oh he 1981 01:50:35.119 --> 01:50:37.600 got away, and James was like, just relax, we'll find 1982 01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:40.439 him here. You want some cake, And Jason Clark goes, no, 1983 01:50:40.479 --> 01:50:44.600 I don't want cake. I have diabetes. I remember that, yeah, 1984 01:50:44.960 --> 01:50:46.600 And just I was in the theater and I was like, 1985 01:50:47.359 --> 01:50:49.479 I just thought it was so funny. So I told 1986 01:50:49.520 --> 01:50:54.079 him that, and he was just delighted by that. I 1987 01:50:54.079 --> 01:50:55.000 should rewatch that. 1988 01:50:55.079 --> 01:50:56.920 I saw it when it came out, and I remember 1989 01:50:57.000 --> 01:50:58.920 enjoying it, but I don't remember a thing about it. 1990 01:50:59.199 --> 01:51:01.279 I mean, it's just like it knows what it is 1991 01:51:01.319 --> 01:51:03.840 and it's good at being what it is, you know. Yeah, sure, 1992 01:51:03.960 --> 01:51:08.399 because it was one of two White House diehard movies, you. 1993 01:51:08.319 --> 01:51:11.920 Know, oh yeah, that's right, right, the one with Gerard Butler. 1994 01:51:12.039 --> 01:51:15.159 Yeah, and Olympus Has Fallen. I thought was like trying 1995 01:51:15.159 --> 01:51:17.880 to play you know, that's the one where they're beating 1996 01:51:17.960 --> 01:51:20.600 up what's her name, Melissa Leo and she's like, God, 1997 01:51:20.720 --> 01:51:24.319 bless America. You know. I'm like, oh my god too. 1998 01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:27.439 You can't do Ernest here, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1999 01:51:27.479 --> 01:51:29.039 And I remember it was like, yeah, the type of 2000 01:51:29.039 --> 01:51:31.600 movie where they take like a big dagger and stick 2001 01:51:31.640 --> 01:51:33.359 it in someone the top of their skull. And I 2002 01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:35.840 was like, oh, good, all right, that's what this that's 2003 01:51:35.840 --> 01:51:42.680 what this is. That's what this is, right, Yeah. See 2004 01:51:42.880 --> 01:51:45.880 see I was thinking about how, you know, in the 2005 01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:49.680 in the original film, right, we get Russell Case does 2006 01:51:49.680 --> 01:51:53.840 his big sacrifice play the mothership explodes, right, but the 2007 01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:59.680 true ending is just you know, Stephen Hiller and David 2008 01:51:59.720 --> 01:52:05.399 Levin and are on the the ship in space and 2009 01:52:05.439 --> 01:52:09.239 it's you know, and then it's about whether they get out, 2010 01:52:09.319 --> 01:52:12.840 you know. So in others you follow a big, a 2011 01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:15.520 big explodeing thing with the well, I mean, there is 2012 01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:18.079 another big exploding thing, but it's just the two characters 2013 01:52:19.520 --> 01:52:23.079 and then they decide, okay, we're going to sacrifice ourselves, right, 2014 01:52:23.119 --> 01:52:25.479 and then and then it's whether they escape or not. 2015 01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:28.600 And I think that structurally that works better because we're 2016 01:52:28.600 --> 01:52:32.079 more invested in those two characters. Right, Yeah, I think 2017 01:52:32.119 --> 01:52:35.479 fundamentally here it's like again we're back with these this 2018 01:52:35.640 --> 01:52:39.000 salvage crew. Yeah, they don't do anything, Like, what's the 2019 01:52:39.039 --> 01:52:42.720 point of them? It's so weird, you're totally right. Wow. Right, 2020 01:52:43.319 --> 01:52:46.039 So the third act really just kind of falls in 2021 01:52:46.119 --> 01:52:49.279 on itself because it's very clear they did not know 2022 01:52:49.319 --> 01:52:53.359 how to end the movie, right because of the way. 2023 01:52:53.560 --> 01:52:55.680 You know, Brent Spiner comes running up and he's like, oh, 2024 01:52:55.680 --> 01:52:57.920 by the way, you know, like yeah. 2025 01:52:57.880 --> 01:53:02.800 Right right, you know, yeah, we're going to warn another galaxy. 2026 01:53:02.920 --> 01:53:06.760 Yay. It's you know, it's it's it's like the end 2027 01:53:06.800 --> 01:53:08.920 of Rise of Skywalker, right, Like, why does that not 2028 01:53:09.039 --> 01:53:14.399 really hit because it's just we've seen it before. Oh look, 2029 01:53:14.439 --> 01:53:17.479 the Emperor is dead again. Oh look, you know people 2030 01:53:17.520 --> 01:53:19.640 are celebrating all over the galaxy. 2031 01:53:20.279 --> 01:53:22.239 Yep, well we've seen that, We've seen that. 2032 01:53:22.359 --> 01:53:25.600 Yeah, right, And so this is it's like a lesser 2033 01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:30.279 version of the thing that we already saw. Yeah. 2034 01:53:30.359 --> 01:53:35.199 Yeah, this looks like the light on them so wonky. 2035 01:53:36.520 --> 01:53:44.079 Yeah, it's it's very obviously she's not outside. Yeah, but 2036 01:53:44.119 --> 01:53:48.359 I really wish I cared about this trio. I think 2037 01:53:48.439 --> 01:53:53.119 that if if Stephen Hiller is in fact dead, then 2038 01:53:53.399 --> 01:53:56.520 there has to be something in this third act that 2039 01:53:56.760 --> 01:54:03.760 has Dylan something redemptive with regards to his dad, like, 2040 01:54:03.840 --> 01:54:05.520 I hope you're proud of me, dad, something. 2041 01:54:05.439 --> 01:54:08.800 Right, totally yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, some issue they had 2042 01:54:08.880 --> 01:54:09.279 or something. 2043 01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:11.319 You know, it would have been very easy to do. 2044 01:54:11.439 --> 01:54:13.760 The other thing I was thinking about, I'm like, why 2045 01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:15.960 make it so final that he is dead? 2046 01:54:16.720 --> 01:54:19.279 I was wondering, like what if, yeah, maybe he wasn't. 2047 01:54:19.319 --> 01:54:21.840 Maybe they thought he had crashed, but maybe he was 2048 01:54:22.119 --> 01:54:25.880 taken and then they discover he's been held captive all 2049 01:54:25.880 --> 01:54:27.640 these years or something, and then they release them and 2050 01:54:28.039 --> 01:54:30.000 now he's kind of kooky, right because they've been in 2051 01:54:30.039 --> 01:54:30.399 his head. 2052 01:54:30.600 --> 01:54:33.920 Yeah, or like let's say, okay, it's for sure Will 2053 01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:36.680 Smith is not in this movie. Then then you say, 2054 01:54:36.760 --> 01:54:40.319 you know, fifteen years ago, Steven Hiller led a mission 2055 01:54:40.359 --> 01:54:42.600 into space and he was never heard from again. 2056 01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:45.119 Yeah, exactly, Well that would have been yeah if they 2057 01:54:45.159 --> 01:54:48.000 really thought they were making a third one, right, Yeah, 2058 01:54:48.119 --> 01:54:50.399 don't box yourself into the corner saying. 2059 01:54:50.199 --> 01:54:57.800 Right, it's odd. Yeah. I sorry, I'm being quiet because 2060 01:54:57.800 --> 01:54:59.319 I'm like I don't even remember this. I was like, wait, 2061 01:54:59.319 --> 01:55:05.520 what's happening here? You just saw it like two days ago. Yeah, anyway, Sorry, 2062 01:55:05.680 --> 01:55:09.279 I have to admit I do like this one moment 2063 01:55:09.359 --> 01:55:11.960 where this the Warlord's like you have the heart of 2064 01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:19.199 a warrior because it's so weirdly earnest for that relationship. 2065 01:55:19.279 --> 01:55:21.479 You know it see exact kind of thing Emeric does 2066 01:55:21.520 --> 01:55:23.800 in a bunch of other movies. Maybe just a little better, 2067 01:55:23.840 --> 01:55:27.039 but yeah, like it is satisfying seeing these two opposites 2068 01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:29.600 share a moment during vig. 2069 01:55:29.720 --> 01:55:31.840 It's funny like we don't really get insight into the 2070 01:55:31.840 --> 01:55:34.039 warlord and it's like, well does he have like child soldiers? 2071 01:55:34.039 --> 01:55:36.520 Like what kind of warlord is? You know? I know, 2072 01:55:36.760 --> 01:55:39.119 like like do you want his compliment? Maybe you don't, 2073 01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:39.399 you know. 2074 01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:42.720 I remember thinking those sorts of things when it first 2075 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:44.840 came out, And then I did notice a line at 2076 01:55:44.880 --> 01:55:46.720 the beginning where it was sort of like, well that 2077 01:55:46.800 --> 01:55:48.520 was my dad or something. 2078 01:55:49.560 --> 01:55:52.399 So this like ad R right right right. 2079 01:55:53.960 --> 01:55:56.319 I'm probably even remembering it wrong, but I think they 2080 01:55:56.319 --> 01:55:58.359 did something like that, were like, I, you know, he 2081 01:55:58.520 --> 01:55:59.520 was like this, but I am me. 2082 01:56:00.840 --> 01:56:04.119 I don't believe in child soldiers. Yeah eighteen plus only 2083 01:56:04.560 --> 01:56:14.560 right right in my army this ball. 2084 01:56:14.720 --> 01:56:16.800 I wish the ball had like more personality, like, oh hey, 2085 01:56:16.800 --> 01:56:19.399 it's up, yeah, like I should be voiced by Christen Wig. 2086 01:56:23.399 --> 01:56:25.680 I was thinking Orco voice, So I guess we were 2087 01:56:25.760 --> 01:56:27.800 kind of in the same Actually, I like Orco Yeah, 2088 01:56:27.840 --> 01:56:31.000 are we ready to go? Yeah? Exactly, you know, I 2089 01:56:31.159 --> 01:56:33.880 just give us a minute. What a weird way to 2090 01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:36.600 end the movie. We're gonna kick some serious alien ass. 2091 01:56:36.880 --> 01:56:39.239 And thinking that we're gonna be like, yes, give it 2092 01:56:39.279 --> 01:56:39.760 to me now. 2093 01:56:40.680 --> 01:56:46.840 I remember the movie ending and saying to myself, fu, 2094 01:56:48.159 --> 01:56:51.640 yeah right right as soon as the credits came up. Yeah, 2095 01:56:51.960 --> 01:56:56.520 because I was like, how effing tear you? You know, 2096 01:56:57.079 --> 01:57:00.119 specifically for people who aren't watching along, what do you mean? Well, 2097 01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:06.000 just the ending is this insulting sequel tease? And you know, 2098 01:57:06.680 --> 01:57:08.840 about twenty minutes into this there will never be a 2099 01:57:08.840 --> 01:57:13.680 sequel to yeah, right, yeah, yeah, And so it's it's 2100 01:57:13.720 --> 01:57:17.279 not only it's not even just the fact that it's 2101 01:57:17.319 --> 01:57:19.880 it's teasing a sequel that's never gonna happen. I'm like 2102 01:57:20.479 --> 01:57:23.560 it it has a sequel tease in lieu of an 2103 01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:30.000 ending that's emotionally satisfying, totally. You're right, Like the first 2104 01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:33.159 film ends and Will Smith's like, didn't I promise you? 2105 01:57:33.199 --> 01:57:37.359 Fireworks boom perfect, final life perfect, right, and then you know, 2106 01:57:37.720 --> 01:57:39.960 the music comes up, So that's what it was. It 2107 01:57:40.039 --> 01:57:42.239 was a You're gonna kick some alien ass and then 2108 01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:47.319 final insult. David Arnold's theme comes up, and I'm like, 2109 01:57:47.359 --> 01:57:49.800 you read pastored sons of pitches. Yeah. 2110 01:57:49.880 --> 01:57:53.239 Well, it's also kind of like, let us have some 2111 01:57:53.279 --> 01:57:57.439 catharsis from this. We've apparently cared about what happened for 2112 01:57:57.479 --> 01:57:59.239 the past two hours, and now it's just been solved. 2113 01:57:59.239 --> 01:58:01.520 But it's immediately like no, no, no, the real battles 2114 01:58:01.520 --> 01:58:05.680 out there like okay, yeah, yeah, you don't even give 2115 01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:06.600 us a moment to. 2116 01:58:08.319 --> 01:58:09.960 Savor what they've just been through. 2117 01:58:10.520 --> 01:58:13.359 Yeah, like you said, and they interrupt that for a 2118 01:58:13.439 --> 01:58:14.680 sequel we know won't happen. 2119 01:58:14.880 --> 01:58:19.800 Yeah, Independence Day Resurgence. Yeah, well it was gonna be 2120 01:58:19.880 --> 01:58:25.239 I D Forever. Okay. Part one and Part two yeah, 2121 01:58:25.439 --> 01:58:28.640 which that that's you know, that's bad. Regardless resurgence too, 2122 01:58:28.640 --> 01:58:32.039 that feels very focus grouped, you know. Sure, but no, 2123 01:58:32.199 --> 01:58:34.399 just looking at the credit list, I'm I'm fascinated by 2124 01:58:34.439 --> 01:58:38.239 the fact that Liam Hemsworth his top build. Wow, right, 2125 01:58:38.279 --> 01:58:41.039 because I'm just like, well, I'm wondering did his agent 2126 01:58:41.239 --> 01:58:48.840 like do some some some you know, negotiation food. That's funny. 2127 01:58:49.880 --> 01:58:53.680 Yeah, No, I like that expression, or or they're like, we. 2128 01:58:53.600 --> 01:58:55.920 Got another Hemsworth, we got another list. 2129 01:58:55.840 --> 01:58:58.560 You know, like we we we found another gold nugget 2130 01:58:58.600 --> 01:59:01.640 in a cave and we we are going to capitalize 2131 01:59:01.640 --> 01:59:03.159 on this guy. We are like going to get him 2132 01:59:03.159 --> 01:59:05.760 to a contract for Fox and you know, Marvel can 2133 01:59:05.800 --> 01:59:08.159 have that one. We got this one, and it I 2134 01:59:08.199 --> 01:59:09.279 wonder if it was something like that. 2135 01:59:10.439 --> 01:59:14.760 Well, it's weird because even watching the film, he doesn't 2136 01:59:14.760 --> 01:59:17.319 feel like the lead to me. No, yeah, yeah, that's 2137 01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:19.920 a good point. You know, he's a lead, we get it, 2138 01:59:19.960 --> 01:59:22.159 but he doesn't feel like the main character. You know. 2139 01:59:22.199 --> 01:59:24.520 And again this is just this we're just saying the 2140 01:59:24.520 --> 01:59:26.800 same thing. But I mean that's something that Will Smith 2141 01:59:26.880 --> 01:59:29.840 was able to to just sort of thanks to his personality, 2142 01:59:29.880 --> 01:59:33.600 really make himself the first among equals, you know. 2143 01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:37.840 Yeah, and even at one point, I obviously this is 2144 01:59:37.880 --> 01:59:40.399 a different experience at watching it with the sound off 2145 01:59:40.479 --> 01:59:42.840 with you. But Jeff Goldblum, when he was in the 2146 01:59:42.880 --> 01:59:44.239 bus at the end, I was kind of like, oh, yeah, 2147 01:59:44.319 --> 01:59:44.960 Jeff Golbloom. 2148 01:59:47.199 --> 01:59:49.479 You know, Jeff Goldblum, who you have to give credit. 2149 01:59:49.640 --> 01:59:52.439 He he knows the assignment, Yeah, what people are turning 2150 01:59:52.520 --> 01:59:56.079 up for totally. He knows why he's making them that 2151 01:59:56.079 --> 01:59:58.399 that sweet sweet independence Day two money. 2152 01:59:59.479 --> 02:00:01.760 Yeah, and I love him, but I do feel like 2153 02:00:01.800 --> 02:00:04.399 he works best when he's bouncing off of someone, I. 2154 02:00:04.359 --> 02:00:08.680 Think, so, you know, yeah, and you know, I think 2155 02:00:08.760 --> 02:00:12.920 that that's that's where you weave in William Fickner a 2156 02:00:12.960 --> 02:00:15.439 little bit more or somebody you know, to kind of 2157 02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:16.920 have that push and pull, you know. 2158 02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:19.600 Yeah, that's what's so satisfying in the first one is 2159 02:00:19.640 --> 02:00:22.520 he is very smart, but he's kind of at odds 2160 02:00:22.560 --> 02:00:26.399 with most people. You know, they don't either want him 2161 02:00:26.399 --> 02:00:28.359 there or they don't trust him, or who's this guy? 2162 02:00:28.439 --> 02:00:30.680 But he knows he's right and he's got to be there. 2163 02:00:30.680 --> 02:00:32.159 And yeah, it's a good thing he is. 2164 02:00:33.079 --> 02:00:34.720 See. I think what they you know, they needed to 2165 02:00:34.760 --> 02:00:39.079 bring back Harvey Firestein. Yeah, well, I don't know you 2166 02:00:39.119 --> 02:00:42.119 made it. Well, we didn't think Brent Speiner made it. 2167 02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:45.479 Touche touche. He's a he's a cyborg in this one. 2168 02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:45.840 I don't know. 2169 02:00:46.239 --> 02:00:48.399 Yeah, actually I would love it if he was like 2170 02:00:48.439 --> 02:00:51.359 now married to his lawyer, just to bring that back, 2171 02:00:52.119 --> 02:00:54.279 you know, call this person, call whatever, like I forget 2172 02:00:54.319 --> 02:00:56.359 my lawyer and it's just like turns out I'm in 2173 02:00:56.399 --> 02:00:57.119 love with my lawyer. 2174 02:00:57.279 --> 02:00:59.600 Like I would just love just for me. That would 2175 02:00:59.600 --> 02:01:00.119 tickles me. 2176 02:01:04.319 --> 02:01:07.359 Wow. Okay, So well, hey, we have now watched Independence 2177 02:01:07.399 --> 02:01:10.560 Day Resurgence for the third and dare I say final time? 2178 02:01:10.960 --> 02:01:13.840 I think so? I think so. I think we can. 2179 02:01:14.079 --> 02:01:16.640 We can put this one the in the lock box 2180 02:01:17.039 --> 02:01:23.560 right for eternity. Oh man, I wonder do you think 2181 02:01:23.640 --> 02:01:27.159 this will be the final time anyone or I don't 2182 02:01:27.159 --> 02:01:28.520 know if anyone else has up to this moment, but 2183 02:01:28.760 --> 02:01:32.279 anyone will record a commentary track for Independence Day Resurgence? 2184 02:01:33.479 --> 02:01:35.760 Is this our stick pin in history? 2185 02:01:35.880 --> 02:01:38.159 If we could see all the facts of the world 2186 02:01:38.199 --> 02:01:41.880 in some amazing book that collects this sort of like detail, 2187 02:01:42.880 --> 02:01:44.319 it's like, wow, actually. 2188 02:01:43.920 --> 02:01:44.520 Believe it or not? 2189 02:01:44.560 --> 02:01:49.359 The last time anyone recorded commentary Independence Date two with 2190 02:01:49.439 --> 02:01:52.760 Zakiyasan and Brian Hall in year twenty twenty six. 2191 02:01:53.439 --> 02:01:56.520 Maybe you know, I'm it. It's like that old saying. 2192 02:01:56.720 --> 02:02:01.359 One day somebody recorded the final commentary track for Independence 2193 02:02:01.399 --> 02:02:03.359 Day Resurgence, and we didn't even know. We didn't even 2194 02:02:03.359 --> 02:02:06.079 know exactly exactly. You know, Yeah, we might be in 2195 02:02:06.079 --> 02:02:14.000 that moment right now. I wonder, well, hey, so final thoughts? Uh? 2196 02:02:14.079 --> 02:02:16.560 You know what is funny When the movie ended the 2197 02:02:16.600 --> 02:02:19.880 other night, when I was actually watching it, I did think, look, 2198 02:02:19.920 --> 02:02:20.880 this isn't very good. 2199 02:02:20.920 --> 02:02:23.760 It just didn't work Normally, he's so good. 2200 02:02:23.800 --> 02:02:25.000 Even though his movies are. 2201 02:02:25.000 --> 02:02:28.239 Very popcorn and kind of corny and feature very obvious tropes, 2202 02:02:28.840 --> 02:02:32.239 they still kind of work, like in a base sort 2203 02:02:32.239 --> 02:02:34.600 of way, the way that you connect with people and 2204 02:02:34.680 --> 02:02:37.279 just want to see a ragtag group of people save 2205 02:02:37.319 --> 02:02:37.680 the day. 2206 02:02:38.119 --> 02:02:39.399 You know, he's just really good at that. 2207 02:02:39.399 --> 02:02:43.439 And somehow he wasn't able to harness that for this 2208 02:02:43.560 --> 02:02:46.720 movie in a way that worked for me. And at 2209 02:02:46.720 --> 02:02:49.760 the same time, it still feels like it was made 2210 02:02:49.800 --> 02:02:51.039 by someone who's capable. 2211 02:02:51.760 --> 02:02:53.279 You know, sometimes you watch a movie like. 2212 02:02:53.239 --> 02:02:55.359 This and you're like, wow, this person doesn't know where 2213 02:02:55.399 --> 02:02:56.479 to put the camera this person. 2214 02:02:57.399 --> 02:02:59.640 This editing is weird. This pert, you know, why were 2215 02:02:59.640 --> 02:03:01.000 they direct did to do that? 2216 02:03:01.159 --> 02:03:02.680 Like it? 2217 02:03:03.640 --> 02:03:09.640 There's like capable skill, I think on display, but the 2218 02:03:09.680 --> 02:03:12.680 script doesn't work, The characters aren't interesting, you know, all 2219 02:03:12.720 --> 02:03:15.640 that stuff's not working. But still the action set pieces 2220 02:03:15.800 --> 02:03:20.720 feel you know, they have some skill to them. 2221 02:03:20.920 --> 02:03:21.880 Yeah, you know, and. 2222 02:03:22.199 --> 02:03:24.319 You can see that this is someone who does know 2223 02:03:24.359 --> 02:03:26.399 what they're doing, but this was just not their day. 2224 02:03:26.800 --> 02:03:27.560 Does that make sense? 2225 02:03:28.199 --> 02:03:31.720 Well, it absolutely does. Although the only addendum I would 2226 02:03:31.800 --> 02:03:35.159 offer is that in the decade sense that he is 2227 02:03:35.199 --> 02:03:38.359 only directed to additional films that is a great point, 2228 02:03:39.600 --> 02:03:40.920 neither of which were his day. 2229 02:03:41.199 --> 02:03:44.720 Also, and I guess it happens, right, I mean, even 2230 02:03:44.760 --> 02:03:47.399 look at someone like Francis Ford Coppola. That's right, you 2231 02:03:47.439 --> 02:03:50.600 know what I mean, you get Apocalypse now, then you 2232 02:03:50.640 --> 02:03:53.680 get Jack, you know, like I just it's strange how 2233 02:03:53.720 --> 02:03:54.199 that happens. 2234 02:03:54.199 --> 02:03:57.439 But yeah, I remember it was at Moonfall. Moonfall. Yeah, 2235 02:03:57.560 --> 02:04:00.439 that was a COVID movie and you could tell that 2236 02:04:00.560 --> 02:04:02.680 was a movie where I think I dvr'd that one 2237 02:04:02.760 --> 02:04:05.600 night because I thought, wow, Roland Emeric movie I've never seen, 2238 02:04:06.359 --> 02:04:09.239 kind of curious, and I turned it off. Twenty minutes in. 2239 02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:14.439 Isn't that sad? Yeah? I saw it in the theater 2240 02:04:15.720 --> 02:04:20.640 and is pretty rough really, Yeah, and I had a 2241 02:04:20.720 --> 02:04:23.800 very similar reaction where, you know, it was very obvious 2242 02:04:23.840 --> 02:04:26.840 that they were working under pandemic conditions, and so you're 2243 02:04:26.920 --> 02:04:29.079 kind of like, you give them, you give them an 2244 02:04:29.119 --> 02:04:32.239 a for effort kind of thing. You know, this was 2245 02:04:32.279 --> 02:04:32.560 not that. 2246 02:04:33.000 --> 02:04:38.680 Yeah, shame, Yeah, you you your your wrap up thoughts. 2247 02:04:39.119 --> 02:04:43.279 I think that you know what I said ten years 2248 02:04:43.319 --> 02:04:47.520 ago is I didn't hate this movie. I just didn't 2249 02:04:47.520 --> 02:04:51.199 have any feelings about it at all, you know, because 2250 02:04:51.640 --> 02:04:56.439 hate implies more effort than even the filmmakers put in. 2251 02:04:56.520 --> 02:05:02.439 It feels like right, and you know, it's not even like, oh, 2252 02:05:02.479 --> 02:05:05.520 it ruined the first one retrospectively for me, because this 2253 02:05:05.960 --> 02:05:10.279 sequel is so entirely forgettable that it's like like, I'm 2254 02:05:10.399 --> 02:05:13.039 I'm happy to revisit the first film whenever you know, 2255 02:05:13.079 --> 02:05:16.600 it's it's Independence Day weekend, I'll probably watch it, but 2256 02:05:17.159 --> 02:05:19.119 I'm also happy to just put this one back in 2257 02:05:19.159 --> 02:05:21.039 the drawer and never watch it again. Yeah. 2258 02:05:21.079 --> 02:05:23.279 I mean it doesn't even feel related to it. Frankly, 2259 02:05:23.359 --> 02:05:25.960 I mean, you you hit it right on the head, 2260 02:05:26.159 --> 02:05:28.399 right off the bat. Which is the first one has 2261 02:05:28.439 --> 02:05:32.159 a groundedness and a humanity and a real sort of 2262 02:05:32.199 --> 02:05:34.960 put yourself in the situation kind of fun to it 2263 02:05:35.359 --> 02:05:37.640 that this one just simply doesn't have. So it's like 2264 02:05:37.680 --> 02:05:40.000 you can't even mistake them, you know, for one another. 2265 02:05:40.079 --> 02:05:42.319 And yeah, we'll just we'll keep going back to the 2266 02:05:42.319 --> 02:05:44.319 first one and this one will drift off into the 2267 02:05:44.319 --> 02:05:44.880 memory hole. 2268 02:05:45.439 --> 02:05:50.319 Bye bye. But hey, let us know your thoughts on 2269 02:05:50.399 --> 02:05:55.920 Independence Day resurgence. I actually very curious me too. 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