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Speaker 1: This is Pat from the thirty something Movie Podcast, and

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you're listening to my most excellent friends Jason and d

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from the Surely You Can't Be Serious Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely you Can't

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Be Serious Podcast Special Edition Five Minutes of Fire. We

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are here talking about the lyrics of We Didn't Start

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the Fire by Billy Joel. We're covering only five minutes

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at a time, which is about to link with the song,

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so it works out kind of nicely. So please join

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us as we dive into some new lyrics today.

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Speaker 3: All right, guys, so here are the topics that we're

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going to be covering today. Pro Kaffeev, Rockefeller and Campanella.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jason, what can you tell me about pro Kafeev.

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Speaker 3: Sergei Prokofiev born eighteen ninety one died in nineteen fifty

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three was a Russian composer, pianist, and conductor. I keep

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getting stuck with the pianists. I know nothing about pianos

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or conducting. He is a creator of many acknowledged masterpieces,

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including the March from the Love of Three Oranges. I've

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not heard of that one, The Ballad of Romeo.

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Speaker 2: And Juliette that one I've heard of, and Peter and

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the Wolf that one I love. Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, He's known for being very eccentric and arrogant. He

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wrote several operas, including The Gambler No not the Kenney

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Rogers version, The Fiery Angel, and The Love for Three Oranges.

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He also created an opera on War and Peace. It's

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interesting he died the same day that Joseph Stalin's death

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was announced, so his death went basically unnoticed. He died

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of a cerebral hemorrhage in nineteen fifty three, and nobody

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knew anything that was happening to him because everybody was

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focused on Joseph Stalin's death. Wow, all right, Dee, what

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can you tell us about Rockefeller?

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Speaker 2: So this one is a little confusing because I mean,

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everybody knows John Dy Rockefeller as the richest man ever,

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right right, right, and his son was Johnny Rockefeller. But

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around this time, which Rockefeller are we talking about here? Right?

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I looked at David Now he was like head of

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the Chase Manhattan Bank and heavily involved in political committees,

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including the Council on Foreign Relations. They actually asked him

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at one point, Hey, why don't you run for president?

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And he was like, why would I take a demotion?

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But I don't think that's the guy we're talking about.

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There's Lawrence, who was a conservationist and who was really

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into UFOs. He was the guy who made them uncover

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the secret documents with Roswell, which really produced nothing. Wow.

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And then there's Nelson, who ultimately would become vice president

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of the United States and was a governor of New York.

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But I don't think it's him either. I think that

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the guy that we're talking about is Winthrop Rockefeller. He

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was a guy who was making the news because as

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far as Rockefellers go, he was rebel. He dropped out

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of Yale. He enlisted in the army as a private.

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He went and fought, got a bronze star and a

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purple heart. He was heavy drinker when he was in

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the army. He had a girlfriend named Candy Mosler. She

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ultimately got charged in a plot to murder her husband.

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The other person involved in the plot was her nephew,

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who she had an incestuous relationship with. What that's girlfriend

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number one? Girlfriend number two becomes wife number one. Her

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name was Bobo Palkiet and then ultimately what happens is

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he moves to Arkansas and becomes governor of Arkansas. He

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and Nelson are the only two brothers that are serving

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as governors of different states until the nineties when Jeb

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and George Bush do that. He is a big inspiration

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for Bill Clinton. I called my dad because my dad

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grew up in Arkansas in the fifties. Of course, huh.

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And he's like, he didn't really do a whole lot

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as governor, but he did do a cross breeding of cows,

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which became a pretty big deal in Arkansas. But he

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was the rebel Rockefeller and the one that I believe

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Billy Joel's referring to in asaw. Wow. All right, Jason,

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I know that you set this up so that you

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get the baseball guy. Finally, tell me, baseball guy, who

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is the Campanella?

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Speaker 3: Okay. Roy Campanella, otherwise known as Campy, was a professional

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baseball player played for the Brooklyn Dodgers, known and accepted

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as one of the greatest Major League catchers of all time.

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Now here's the interesting thing. He played for nine years

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in the Mexican League and the Negro Leagues before making

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his debut with the Brooklyn Dodgers in nineteen forty eight.

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His mom was black and his dad was Italian, but

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he was still treated, of course, as a black man.

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Branch Ricky almost made him the first African American Major

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League Baseball player, but then later decided on Jackie Robinson.

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Roy Campanella was his second choice. He was a three

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time Negro League All Star, an eight time Major League

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Baseball All Star, was a three time National League MVP

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nineteen fifty one, nineteen fifty three, nineteen fifty five. Won

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the World Series in nineteen fifty five, His team, the Dodgers,

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retired his number thirty nine, and then January twenty eighth,

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nineteen fifty eight, was driving home going on approximately thirty

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miles per hour, hit a patch of ice, overturned his car,

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broke his neck, and was paralyzed for the.

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Speaker 2: Rest of his life. Oh that's tragic.

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Speaker 3: He was honored by the Sporting News to be one

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of the top one hundred baseball players of all time.

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Speaker 2: Roy Campanella, Okay, guys, that does it for today's episode.

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Join us next time for five minutes of fire