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we got two more people and they're going to be

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joining us all along. Here we have Kelly and Sam

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or Sam and Kelly, whichever you prefer. And so, yeah,

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we've become fast friends in the UFO world, and I

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think if it was any other way, we'd still become

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fast friends. Had nothing to do with UFOs, nothing to

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do with it, I agree. Yeah, and Jack, thanks so

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much for being here, and everyone who's watching this live,

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you have to check out Jack's hat. I love it.

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you know, I mean, And it's just it was so

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hard to believe that we'd be doing everything online the

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way we are. But who could have seen it? Isn't

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there all that stock money I had in Blockbuster and

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Sacron two and oh my god, that picks some really

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good ones. Yeah, but anyway, we're all glad to be here.

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So I'm here with Donna next to me, producer Donna,

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better half, whatever you want to call her. She's here,

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and Sam and Kelly they're in Montana, and Jack's very nearby.

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Myself where we are right now. We are in Portsmouth,

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New Hampshire, this time of year, and there's the Betty

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the Historical Society here in town. We have a Betty

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and Barney Hill exhibition. There's been talks. I was down

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and we were down in South Carolina, could not see

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it at that time. Doing a talk here and Rye,

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that's I don't think it's going to be. It's all

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because of this whole situation. But going to be doing

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talk in a little town called Ride, New Hampshire, very

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historic little town, and I'll be surprised at who will

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show up to listen to UFOs. All right, So I'm

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really excited because I saved tonight to talk about a situation.

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Donna and I were at the Forum, the Disclosure Forum

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in Washington, d C. We made it there. We got

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got my hand terribly caught in an elevator in the hotel,

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and yeah, it was quite a mess, but we still

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made it and everything is fine. And I whenever you

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want to come and see my new hotel. No, I'm

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not that type of person. I'm not that type of person.

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I say, hey, a couple of nights free. Say that'll

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be good enough for me. But anyway, we had a

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wonderful time, and I'm going to start showing some pictures

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of the day and I wish there would you know,

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it was a very full crowd, I will tell you that.

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So if we go around the room, we'll see Ross Coldheart,

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and we see doctor John Blitch who's been on the show,

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and then we see myself. Of course I can't see

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the figure and the figure I'm turning away from, but

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if you look at my hand, I am holding my wallet.

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what I was, who I was going to pay, or

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anything like that. But I'm not even gonna think.

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Speaker 1: Apparently it was Ross. Yeah, I grabbed my wallet back, okay.

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in the Disclosure Foundation. And doctor Keith Taylor, thank you

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this is John Blitchick course, and of course Matt Ford

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selfie here Dan, Danny, She and of course his some friend,

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not his wife, but friend. And this is kind of

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talking on the phone all the time years ago, back

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in twenty sixteen, and uh, and he wanted to know

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about my house up on the mountain and all.

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company where he had those mate But anyway, I still

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of everybody that we've that's been in the you know,

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beautiful carved Roman capitals on that all marble. That's all marble,

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the monumental task. And it's such a beautiful building. And

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many other things that happened there. That's the oldest Senate

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with starting out with Gotti I can't remember his last name, Schwartz,

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thank you all for being here. Question that I have

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and the people that have been around the UFO community

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for a long time, it's all say the same thing.

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Where's the good stuff? You know, where's There's got to

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these things go into these private companies and then they're gone.

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actionable information and then request it. And so right now

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Speaker 9: And so my team, my office, we're just sending direct

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letters interrogatives to these you know, whether it's m I T.

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Lincoln Labs or miter Attel and others that I don't

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want to say yet, we're sending these letters. We're sending

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letters to the FBI saying and we're being very specific.

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of the Varhema incident, right. And then we're saying, for example,

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the Mi T. Lincoln Labs, we are aware that there's

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a doctor, there's a real to real audio that's date,

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that's from this date with this name and uh, and

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we demand that you retain that file and that you

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provide it to Congress.

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benefit of the doubt. I think a lot of these

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institutions don't even know what they have. And so but

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when when you all and people bring information to us,

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specific details and information that helps us craft the letter,

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which then gives the instructions. And you know, I'm maybe

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the four hundred and thirty fifth most powerful member of Congress,

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but at least I am a member and can write

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Speaker 2: That they might just listen to.

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and I think we've made some success. Mit Lincoln, lads,

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it did admit that they do have that reel to

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reel and that led us to be able to find

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out that there's more to that that Miter is involved with.

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you will, and we're just going to keep doing that

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on from that. Burlson and cold Heart sat down. I'm

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hoping this is yeah, it's going to show up, and

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he talked about that real to reel and there's really

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a lot of information. So I suggest you go on

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Are you here? Okay, yes, sorry about that. Yeah, I

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mean I thought at least it made some of a

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conversation that was only myself and one other question, and

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about he was the only other person that wanted was

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able to talk, and James Fox had his hand up

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unfortunately he said, he he said he had what did

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he say? He said he had an earth shattering question

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he was going to ask and I said, oh man,

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what the question was. He wouldn't tell me, saving it

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for next time. But it was really great. Matt Ford

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made a statement, not a question. He had documents that

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were sent to him that all these things were happening

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with the orbs and things like that. There was a

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lot of talk about orbs. So that's it. So before

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I'm hugging the show. We got as much time left

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as we were as we want here, but I wanted

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to just show. Here's when I showed the selfie before.

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So I had this situation happen recently. It was July first,

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in the middle of the night, I got a contact

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from my car saying that, you know, there was an event.

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hands absolutely full, former FBI investigator, and he's on Fact

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and Faked and so many TV programs you can't even

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on about this subject and others, And so I asked him.

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like that, and he was on his way to Roswell

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and he still went through the whole thing for me.

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a voiceover of the thing that Ben sent me on

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his analysis. So this is a voiceover on the film.

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It's all out of order, like he talked, things that

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show up later. So just keep in mind the whatever

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bouncing around that comes into play towards the very end.

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someone said it was a cat, and then some people

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with my voiceover at Ben's comments on it. Here we go, Hey, Martin,

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I can see what you're talking about. I think the

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fears are moisture smudges. If it wasn't raining, there's probably

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just enough mist or condensation to cause the smudges that

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seem to be changing a bit with the wind, and

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it just happens to be on the lens. The figure

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moving inside may not be a figure, though due to

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low resolution, it's possible just pixelation as a smudge morphs

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into a new shape. It does look like something with

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a gate bouncing motion to a walk, so I can

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see it resembles a person or creature. I'm not ruling

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that out, although I haven't seen this exact effect before

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at night. It's possible that the water droplet is acting

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like a convex mirror and is catching the motion of

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something like someone else walking just outside the frame of

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a camera. Think of it like one of those circular

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security mirrors in a department store to catch shoplifters. I

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didn't see any corresponding motion or anything in the frame

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of the camera. Just because the water bends light, it's

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possible that the curvatures are capturing the motion and not

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the frame. I'm not sure if that makes any sense.

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not sure what it is. I hope that helps. Did

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you see it? Am I crazy? Or did you see it?

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Speaker 5: I saw it. I saw it, and you sent it. Yeah,

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it looked like legs of their legs.

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Speaker 1: It looks like something bouncing around, but you know, it

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could be I liked that the explanation. It could be

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someone actually walking far away and it catching like a

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convex mirror doesen for shoplifters. How they look weird far away?

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Maybe something like that. But it was still really weird.

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And I've had a couple of weird things happen lately,

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and I just thought this was just another one of

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those things. We're going to talk about it, how we time? Yeah,

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all right, so thank you all for letting me hog

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this show. Now I'm going to keep quiet, and I

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don't know. You want to go around? Do you want

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to start? Anyone want to start? In particular. If not,

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I'm going to start someone go ahead, Kelly, Okay.

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Speaker 6: So I would love to hear what everybody's thoughts are

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on this new UFO council that was stood up to

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the And somebody jump in if I'm misrepresenting this, but

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my understanding is it's a council the White Hook White

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House appointed and Abby Lobe's heading it. And there are

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some big names on there, you know, speaking which Tim

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Galiadad would be really interesting if you can ask him

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anything about it.

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Speaker 5: I'd love to hear his thoughts.

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Speaker 6: But Gary Nolan's going to be on it, not Jacques,

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which I thought was really interesting. And one of the

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names that has gotten a lot of attention is the fact.

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Speaker 1: That I know, I don't say it.

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Speaker 2: Don't say it.

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Speaker 1: Michael Shermer, Yes, I know.

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Speaker 6: We've talked a little bit about Mick West Martin, but

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Martin Shermer has Michael pardon, Michael Shermer, I'm so sorry.

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Michael Shermer has been pretty unapologetically awful to a lot

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of the whistleblowers. Yes, harsh and certainly not not true things,

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and he's watched some of them back.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 6: I think a lot we are skeptical of this council

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just by virtue of the fact that he's on it.

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I think the idea of having a skeptical voice on

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the Council isn't the problem. But I think his voice, specifically,

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I've heard, is the problem with a lot of folks.

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So I'd love to hear what you guys think about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know. I knew right away there

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was going to be a problem when I heard Michael

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Shermer was going to be on it, and he was

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on my show, you know, and Donna. This is years ago.

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Donna was helping me out from Afar. I think we met.

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Did we meet? I don't know if we even met.

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And she got Michael Shermer on my show. I said, hey,

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I'm going to give you I'm going to give you

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your own email address. Can you shoot a you know,

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try to get She got James Fox for the first time.

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This is back in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: And and I had written James, but I didn't have the.

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Speaker 4: Stick tuitive ness, the stick touitive ness you need with

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James Fox.

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Speaker 1: You have to keep. James Fox is one hard person

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to you know. He was I've tried to nail him

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down before tonight come on and talk a little bit,

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and yeah, sure he gave me, sends me heart the

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I I'm busy doing forty things at once. You know,

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he's very very uh he's self admittedly adhd and we

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all love him for that, we really do. I forgive him.

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I told him all he told. He asked me if

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I was really upset at him one time. He says,

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you know what, You're always forgiven. That's how I feel

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about James. He's just a character.

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Speaker 6: Well me, what was Michael like on your show? And Donna,

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what was your impression in interacting with that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Remember I do remember.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't interacting with him. I just got him as

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a guest. But I remember listening to the show. You know,

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I think Martin handled handled it pretty well. I think

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they he was gentlemanly about it. I would say, I

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don't really. It's been a long time.

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Speaker 1: It has you know. I love having skeptics on. I've

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had four or five of them on seth Shawstak. Mick

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West has been on two or three times. Oh, I

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have to tell you something funny about Mick West. This

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is really funny. So I had Mick west On and

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I had at the same very same time, I had

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Kevin Dayon, and I had Kevin explain to Mick west

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why his theory was not going to hold water and

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it was totally wrong, And right in the middle of it,

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Mick says, God, you know, I think you're right. I

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think he agreed that he was wrong. And a week

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later I saw him on CNN or something like that

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and he's saying the same story, like he never had

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the conversation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, wow, back to a stack.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But I mean, I love having skeptics on. I've

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had another one filmmaker on once that was really we

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really And I got to tell you, Seth Shostak, he's

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almost eighty now, but he's still sharp. But when I

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I was prepared, and he was so prepared for my questions.

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It was like he had like I said, can't you

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be open minded enough to think that we there's they

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could have the technology, they could have physics that we

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don't know about yet we haven't discovered in that they

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could get here. And then he had any answer for everything.

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or debunker or whatever you want to call him.

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Speaker 8: And I think for me, those people like that give

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skeptics a bad rap, because anything in life you need to,

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you know, except maybe your love for a family member,

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you need to look at skeptically and analyze why you

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think or feels something and whether it's like a valid input.

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That's it's reasonable to look closely at things and try

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to examine every angle that you can get at it.

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But you're closed off to the evidence. We all, you know,

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we all know where that leads.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think, no, go ahead, no, no, I

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want don't want to lose your thought.

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Speaker 2: I'll have money.

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Speaker 6: Well, I just I also think that given the history

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of disinfo and counterintelligence and how much we have seen,

474
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whether that was Menzel or Philip Class or some people

475
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argue that maybe even Neil de.

476
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Speaker 5: Grass Tyson is along those lines.

477
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Speaker 6: And I think the fact that government affiliated is already

478
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a little bit of an obstacle for people to really

479
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feel like there's going to be any inherent transparency. And

480
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I think putting Schrmer on there, you know, as Sam said,

481
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it's not that he's questioning things and being rational about them.

482
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He goes in as blindly disbelieving as the tinfoil hat

483
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,319
people go in believing and besides the same coin, and

484
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,079
neither one is particularly helpful to the field.

485
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, one hundred percent agree with that. So I will

486
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,359
tell you that Michael Schrmer was very polite and he

487
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,720
talked about an experience that he had where he thought

488
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,240
he saw something or whatever, and then of course, you know,

489
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:20,720
made sure they was able to say that it was

490
00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:24,599
explainable that type of thing, and I was I saw

491
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,480
I caught something with James Fox and him on a panel,

492
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and it was so funny because he started talking about

493
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,640
this incredible UFO that you know that and then finished

494
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,119
it with how it was explainable, and James Fox's we

495
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,720
don't want to hear this up. We already know there's

496
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:43,559
a lot of explainable things. What kind of what do

497
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you bring into the table?

498
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Speaker 7: You know?

499
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Speaker 1: I went on and on. I thought it was a

500
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great takedown. I loved it.

501
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Speaker 2: It was wonderful.

502
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Speaker 1: But we do need skeptics, Yeah, we do need skeptics.

503
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but we need skeptics that haven't already made up

504
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:57,160
their mind, just like we need investigators that haven't made

505
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,759
up their mind. That's kind of the point.

506
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, Jack, we haven't really heard much from you. Sorry,

507
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,160
we've been cutting you off all the time.

508
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 7: And I haven't been saying much.

509
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,519
Speaker 1: You're fine. So what do you think about things in

510
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:13,599
the last month.

511
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 7: I see a whole lot of talking and not a

512
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,039
lot of doing. But that's just me keeping it simple.

513
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,000
I think it's definitely good to see the ball moving forward,

514
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,440
which it is. But I remember Dean Alioto told me

515
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:31,559
last year and it shout out Dean, but it broke

516
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,039
my heart, and I think he realized it in the

517
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:37,400
moment when we were speaking, but he I remember it

518
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,400
was when the congressional hearings were a big buzz, I

519
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,880
think maybe last spring, and he had said, you know,

520
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,480
in his opinion, he felt like the congressional hearings had

521
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:51,039
run their course. And I feel like all the file

522
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,559
dumps that we've gotten, which I think is three now,

523
00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:57,279
and then with this committee coming to light and having

524
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:02,160
congress people sending written letters to these mysterious hidden agencies,

525
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,799
I just think I'm wondering if the file dumps have

526
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,480
run their course, and I wonder what the next step

527
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:10,559
is going to be. Where's the next big ball? That's

528
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,039
rolling down the hill. What do you guys think or

529
00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:15,119
are we just getting started?

530
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,279
Speaker 8: No, I agree with you one hundred percent. And I

531
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:21,079
think part of something that was telling for me in

532
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,279
that last dump of from the twelfth was the ship

533
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:37,039
to away from military instrumentation toward just home videos basically. Yeah,

534
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,680
so I thought that was that's kind of that's them

535
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,880
wave in the flag of surrender and saying, you know what,

536
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,279
we're not even trying anymore.

537
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

538
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 6: I really think we need to lean less on the

539
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,480
government and more on some of the institutional knowledge that exists.

540
00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:58,359
Sam and I have opressions with some of our friends

541
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,319
in this space, and I think looking at researchers who've

542
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:06,839
been at this for so many years, there are collections

543
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,319
and boxes of information in those researchers possessions that I

544
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,960
think probably puts most of the material in these drops

545
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,039
to shame. And I'm really hoping that we can learn

546
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:21,039
more from some of the community members who have done

547
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,400
so much. Never listening to Jacques at Contact in the

548
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,640
Desert talk about and understandably a lot of that is

549
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,960
still classified, but he talked about panels he worked on,

550
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,440
you know, ten years ago, fifteen years ago, where they

551
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,960
were reviewing literally hundreds of thousands of unexplained cases after

552
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,039
they've all been whittled down, and I think that material

553
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:43,319
is out there in the hands of some researchers, and

554
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:45,480
I'm hoping that we're going to hear more people in

555
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,759
the community stepping up, because I don't think we're going

556
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:50,680
to get a whole lot more, at least right now,

557
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,400
from the government.

558
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just have to talk about something technical really quickly. Jack.

559
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,160
I don't know what's going on, but the feedback's coming

560
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:05,960
through your or microphone somehow from Kelly when she talks,

561
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:09,680
maybe from myself. Are you hearing through your air pods?

562
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,400
How about now, Kelly, go ahead and talk.

563
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,319
Speaker 5: Sorry, Jack, it's probably just because I'm too loud.

564
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,319
Speaker 1: Nope, it's not. I don't hear it now. Okay, that

565
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,200
solves that. Sorry about that having to do that, love

566
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,559
all the fan Oh okay, well not bad, not bad chat,

567
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,480
but anyway, it's not at all. Uh. Yeah, I don't

568
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,559
know about Kelly about what you just said, because I

569
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:40,480
have to say that we look to the government for answers.

570
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:44,039
They're like, that's what we're looking you know. They hold

571
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:49,400
that there, they have that power to you know, legislate

572
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,880
into whatever it is they do. They they have you know,

573
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,599
we're they're voted into office, they're there, and we look

574
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,680
to them for these type of answers. So I don't know,

575
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,759
if it comes from the private sector would be good,

576
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,519
but it would have to eventually get into the government

577
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:08,400
where they would agree and then there would be some

578
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:12,119
acceptance there. And I think there is more than ever now.

579
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:16,119
But still I think that we need both. We can't

580
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,559
neither entity can do it alone. Neither all of us

581
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,440
or them separately can do it alone. I don't think.

582
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,119
But I mean, one of the things in all the

583
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:27,799
file dumps and everything that I was concentrating on was

584
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:29,640
that it was all military. And I understand because they

585
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,880
have really good equipment and things like that, and the

586
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,720
government releases they're releasing government with their billions of dollars

587
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:40,079
worth of equipment and all that. But then it was like,

588
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,000
you know, people have better videos than these, you know,

589
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:46,240
and all that, but you can't believe anything anymore with

590
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:49,359
AI and all the tricks people can do. But still,

591
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:52,759
you know, we do need all of us. I think

592
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,640
I think it's what is it they're saying, it takes

593
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,960
a village. It takes the realis to move this thing forward.

594
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,799
Speaker 6: Though, like the military stuff that's come out, we do

595
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,839
know how much equipment they have, many different types of

596
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,759
sensors that collect all sorts of data. They aren't sharing

597
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,319
any of that. They're sharing very much intentional information when

598
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:16,759
they have the power to share a lot more. And

599
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,200
to me, that is just a screaming neon sign that

600
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:21,839
we're not going to get what we want at this

601
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,599
point from them. And if we want to get to

602
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,559
a tipping point where really, to your point, Donna, what

603
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,799
you were talking about with Leslie Keene, if we want

604
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:34,640
to get to a point where people aren't apathetic, we

605
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,119
we're going to have to do a lot more on

606
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,200
our own because clearly they're not going to offer up.

607
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,400
And I could be the crazy nutto in the in

608
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,759
the corner, but I don't trust a lot of what

609
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:46,359
the government's telling us at this point, to be very honest,

610
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,119
and I don't know many people who do. And I

611
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,720
think in order to get things from them, it's going

612
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:54,160
to have to be behind they're going to have to

613
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,039
be up against a wall.

614
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:59,599
Speaker 7: But yes, Jack, sorry, when you had said, I don't

615
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:02,160
really try star government a lot. One clip that I

616
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:06,440
just saw. Americans for Safe Airspace recently launched their podcasts

617
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:10,079
and they have one single YouTube short that's available on

618
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,200
their channel, and in that clip, he's talking to an

619
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,200
air traffic controller of you, Mark, you, Martin, and Donna.

620
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,759
You guys literally saw the balloon get shot by.

621
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were right under it.

622
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah when that was happening. I don't know if

623
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:25,400
you guys have seen that clip or remember it, but

624
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,519
the air traffic controller in his interview with Ryan Graves

625
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:33,319
is literally saying there were a bunch of other actual

626
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:38,640
UFOs and orbs or something or metallic orbs that were

627
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,759
flying craft in the air at that same time that

628
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:45,079
actually never got reported by our media, And there was

629
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:48,519
a whole other u actual UFO side story that wasn't

630
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:51,240
a balloon that was happening at the same time that

631
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,319
that balloon was flying through the country. That was the

632
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,400
vibe that I got. So if we're being fooled at

633
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,799
that level, and at that time, I had no idea

634
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:02,279
that was even happening, and I just was thinking it

635
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:06,960
was balloons, I mean, man, we're never It's just it's

636
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,799
going to be difficult.

637
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like a distraction in a way.

638
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 8: I have to ask yourself, though, would the government say

639
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,880
something with a balloon if it wasn't a balloon.

640
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,559
Speaker 5: They've never done that, never ever, never ever.

641
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:22,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

642
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I want to thank everyone that's in chat,

643
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:26,960
thank you all for being here. We have, you know,

644
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,000
a pretty good group of people. And if you have

645
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:32,159
any questions for us, we'll gladly answer them, but please

646
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,000
do put them in caps so I happen to catch

647
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:35,880
them and I can pull them up on the screen

648
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:38,360
just like going like right here, I can just pop

649
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,760
that right up. So if you do have a question

650
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,400
for us, please do put it in caps and we

651
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,679
will pose it. Just if it can kind of keep

652
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,440
along with our topics that we're talking about, that would

653
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:48,760
be great.

654
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Jack, real quick before we go on to

655
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,079
the next thing. Speaking of UFO news on podcast UFO,

656
00:34:57,199 --> 00:35:00,159
you just had Ronnie verneon from Brazil, and did he

657
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,679
say something about twenty six different alien being chases in Brazil?

658
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,480
Did I hear that right on your show?

659
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: I think that was I think that was it. That

660
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,639
was like he's crazy. He's done some great research. He's

661
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:18,480
a great researcher, very level headed and He likes the

662
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:20,960
science aspect of the things too, so he's not going

663
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,719
to go off the rails like you know, someone that

664
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,280
might want to pursue a little Oh, I don't know,

665
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,920
extra attention. Yeah, but it's all good. O.

666
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was pretty wild. I was I hadn't heard

667
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,159
of that case, or I forget that. Do you remember

668
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:37,280
this name of the city he mentioned in Brazil? It

669
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,679
was a city I hadn't heard of. No, I'll have

670
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,840
to look back at the recording. But folks in the

671
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,679
chat check out that interview. It was pretty good turn it.

672
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 5: I was driving kids, so I missed it. I'm gonna

673
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,039
have to go back and watch it again.

674
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,119
Speaker 1: Thank you too for being here. And you just did

675
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:54,639
a trip across country? Was there anything interesting you can

676
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:55,519
talk about it all?

677
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 6: You were over to Colorado, to be honest, hear of

678
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:03,239
what has me really thinking about just there's so much

679
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,400
institutional knowledge out there that I think is sitting in

680
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,039
places like where we went. There are a lot of

681
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:11,639
people we're standing on the shoulders of giants and people

682
00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:13,880
who did a ton of work in kind of the

683
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:14,880
previous generation.

684
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,679
Speaker 5: And it was a time where you know, you didn't

685
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,800
do a.

686
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 6: Grab of files from a research visit t NARA and

687
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,000
throw them all up online as somebody might now exactly

688
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:31,519
Jack's Stanton Friedman, Yeah, Ryan Woods and his dad, Bob,

689
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,360
Linda Moulten, Howe, Richard Dolan's old stuff that there's so

690
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,960
many people that were doing that incredibly hard work and

691
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:42,360
just anecdotally, you know, research projects I'm working on with

692
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,000
some colleagues, like, we've got a list of targets right

693
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:47,119
where Okay, we need to go to NARA and we

694
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:51,800
need to pull these different record groups. And I'm realizing

695
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,960
a lot of that material is sitting in the files

696
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,239
of these incredible researchers that came before us, and I

697
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,199
think really hoping there can be something done to organize

698
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,840
and consolidate a lot of that wisdom that sits out there,

699
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,159
because again, even with some of the stuff that we

700
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,320
saw this week, there's nothing I can really speak to

701
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,280
specifically yet, just because we have a bit more to

702
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,199
do before that. But I think it blows what's been

703
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,280
in those three file dumps out of the water.

704
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's good to hear. So we do have

705
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,960
a couple of questions in chat. I'm just going to

706
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:30,119
pop them up here hoping that it's on topic. Do

707
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:35,000
you all think it's likely multiple civilizations visiting us all

708
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,679
the time or just one? It's multiple, yeah.

709
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,079
Speaker 5: Said one.

710
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,159
Speaker 6: And now I totally think it could be multiple civilizations,

711
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:48,639
which Sam's gonna look at me sideways for and another

712
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:51,480
reason for him to think I'm crazy, But I really

713
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:53,360
think it's possible at this point.

714
00:37:56,599 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: And Donna, Oh, I think it's multiple civilizations. I think

715
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:09,840
they've been here the whole time, precede us, maybe seated us,

716
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,480
maybe somehow manipulating us as time goes on.

717
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,159
Speaker 2: That's what I think.

718
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: I think it's. If I had to give an opinion,

719
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,960
I would think that it's possible that there's many things.

720
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:31,960
And I love the explanation of maybe it's something that

721
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,400
we couldn't understand with what we have to work with.

722
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,360
But I also think that I think it's a it's

723
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:46,320
very possible that it could be somehow extraterrestrial through another dimension.

724
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,199
I know that sounds weird, but it could be something

725
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,039
along that line's a way of travel somehow in a

726
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,480
time manipulation type of situation.

727
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: So I just.

728
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: Think, like I think Jack or Kelly, you said, someone said,

729
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,360
you have to be open minded you know, you can't

730
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,039
just have your mind made up if maybe Samuel said that,

731
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:13,239
But it's like I feel like, in order to keep

732
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,440
looking at this topic objectively, you have to have an

733
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,440
open mind and be willing to accept that it could

734
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,400
be likely a whole bunch of different things.

735
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,199
Speaker 8: And I guess I'm not even willing to say that

736
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:34,559
the idea of a civilization or a species would necessarily

737
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:36,760
be even meaningful to.

738
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: Whatever this is.

739
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 8: Just to what Martin was saying, this could be so

740
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:49,159
unimaginably different from anything we've conceived of that they whatever

741
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,320
they are, they who knows if they identify as a

742
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,960
day or how they present themselves to the world, you know,

743
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:02,079
to our world, or And I guess so, I think

744
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:05,440
it's as likely that there could be a multitude of

745
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,280
different entities for lack of a better, different types of entities.

746
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,519
Speaker 2: I think it's as likely as they're being one ayntient plasma.

747
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Jack, do you have any opinion on any

748
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,000
of this?

749
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 7: Listening to everybody talk Martin, you have this story that

750
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,639
you love to share that I think makes a lot

751
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:29,239
of sense. It's relatable to this question. That air Force

752
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,519
pilot you met who flew in the Vietnam War, and

753
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:35,159
you had asked him. I can't remember what the question was,

754
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,719
but his response to you was something like, he thinks,

755
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,159
whatever the phenomenon is, he thinks we're just a Petri dish, like,

756
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,679
oh yeah, environment, Yeah, we're being observed and tested and whatever.

757
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:51,639
I always found that kind of stuck in my mind

758
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:53,719
for a little bit because I could absolutely see that

759
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,280
being one of the many different outcomes. But if there's

760
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,400
more than one, just odds and probability in math and statistics,

761
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:06,320
with how big the universe is, I would be lean

762
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,960
more towards It's definitely multiple, and there's maybe more than

763
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,480
just one other thing going on, but we lump it

764
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:17,320
all into one bucket because we're not smart enough to

765
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,559
know what it is. Yet maybe one day we are.

766
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: Well just for telling the story, because a lot of

767
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,000
people haven't heard the story. Yeah, shar but it is.

768
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,119
We have feedback. I'm trying to figure out how to stop,

769
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:33,039
and I'm going to mute a couple of mics and

770
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:35,559
see if at least will stop right now. Okay, and

771
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:37,760
I apologize to those that are long listeners that have

772
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,039
heard this story a few different times. But okay, back

773
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:44,840
in the nineteen nineties, long before I was even looking

774
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,360
at this topic. I as a child or whatever. I

775
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,760
would see something every now and then think it was interesting,

776
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,519
but I would didn't really have an interest like I

777
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:53,760
do now. So I had a real I'm not a

778
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,719
real estate agent. I had an insurance agent come to

779
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,039
the house and I was buying a life insurance policy

780
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:03,199
and we got to chatting after I filled out all

781
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,320
the paperwork and everything, and he said to me, basically,

782
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,960
he says, yeah, I said, I was in Vietnam. And

783
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,599
I said, oh really, I said, boy, that must have

784
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:13,960
been terrible. He goes, no, not what I was doing.

785
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,679
I said, well, what were you doing? And he said, well,

786
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,119
I was in the Air Force and he says, and

787
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,320
I had a very interesting job. And I said, well,

788
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,840
what was that. He said, I was in a special

789
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,599
task force that was looking into why UFOs were showing

790
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:31,440
up during napalming and all types of situations. And I said, what,

791
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,920
you know like that and he says yes, and they're

792
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,079
very interested in on nukes too. I said, what do

793
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,280
you mean, our nukes, like our nuclear power plants on

794
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,440
nuclear warheads. He said yes, both of them. And it

795
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,199
went on and on. So it was a fascinating conversation

796
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,920
and I hadn't really thought about anything at that point.

797
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:49,800
So we were all wrapped up, and at the end

798
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,760
of the day he was heading out the door and

799
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,559
I said, hey, by the way, you know you worked

800
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:55,840
with the government, right and he said yeah, and for

801
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:57,880
the Air Force. But I said, but it was through

802
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,920
the government. I said, what does the government think these

803
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,760
things are? And then he just looked at me and

804
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,239
he said, well, they think we're a petri dish. And

805
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,039
then I said good night to him, went out the door.

806
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,480
And I've been trying. I know what his name is,

807
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:17,079
Tom Bowden. His name is Tom Boden. He was a

808
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:19,880
real estate broker. And I can't even find an obituary. Nothing.

809
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:24,440
I can't insurance broker, and I just can't find the guy.

810
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,920
I would love to talk to him again. But that's

811
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:30,679
the long version of Sorry, Josh.

812
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 10: Such a good story, Such a good story.

813
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 7: Shout out Tom Bowden.

814
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: Wherever you are. Tom Collins, Hey, by the way, I

815
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,679
do have a call in number, but I don't have

816
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,400
that with me right now, but I do have a

817
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,440
setup for Collins that'll be coming up.

818
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Jack, So piggybacking off of your story, Martin,

819
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,719
let's tease that out a little bit. What would you

820
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,679
guys think on the stream here, Like if that was true,

821
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:01,199
if all we were was some kind of someone else's experiment,

822
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,880
just like we do in like biology class in high school,

823
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,519
learning whatever it is that the subject is for the

824
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:11,719
day in school, Like, what if that's all we really are?

825
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,400
Would you guys even care? Would it hurt your ego

826
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:18,280
at all? Would you even think twice about it? Or

827
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,480
would you not really care?

828
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:21,119
Speaker 6: I don't know.

829
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 5: It's a great question. It's a really good question, really

830
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:25,920
good question.

831
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:28,039
Speaker 6: Before we move on to the next thing. I just

832
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,840
want to put out there, Martin. I don't know if

833
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,039
it's okay for me to give an email address or not,

834
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:38,559
but sure anybody out there has a grandfather or an uncle,

835
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,079
or even themselves, or a grandmother who is a nurse

836
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,239
at right Patterson or anything. I mean, I do think

837
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,320
that there is such a shortage of focus on that

838
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,039
primary source material. And I'm such a research nerd, And

839
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,400
if anybody has anything, please send me an email Kelly

840
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,719
at frightday dot com. I would love to hear anything

841
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,679
that anyone has and I'm trying to put more work

842
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,320
into that research end of things. It's become a real

843
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,199
passion since I made my first trip to the archives,

844
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,320
and so just wanted to put that out there in

845
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,119
case anybody in the chat or listening has a box.

846
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: Okay, let me just tell you about my feelings of

847
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,880
the Petri dish. Ark When I think of the Petri dish,

848
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:25,679
and I did write something in high school and I

849
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,320
got an A on it, which was kind of rare,

850
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:32,119
but it was an essay on races around the world.

851
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,440
I said that we were seated by different planets in

852
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,639
the in the universe and to see how we'd all

853
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:41,800
get along together. I know it's a crazy thing, but

854
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,039
when you're in high school, it sounded interesting and so

855
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,840
I kind of get it in that way, the Petri

856
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,320
dishes that were being watched and we're seeing how things develop.

857
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:54,119
But I don't know if it means that we were

858
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:56,159
seeded or whatever. But that's kind of the feeling that

859
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,159
I get what he meant by a Petri dish. I

860
00:45:58,199 --> 00:45:59,800
could be totally wrong. I'd love to be able to

861
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,480
add him, but I don't think that's going to happen.

862
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,000
That's kind of what I have the feeling he meant

863
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:08,440
by a Petri dish. Now we did have this other

864
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:10,880
question right here. I don't know if anyone wants to

865
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,519
read that it's other than a government official. Is there

866
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:18,679
one person that could say to the world aliens or

867
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:22,760
in the dimensional beings time travels exists that the world

868
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,239
would say, Okay, I guess it's real. And I don't

869
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,519
think it's going to be a president. I don't think

870
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,679
it's going to be a leader of a country. I

871
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:32,920
don't know who's the most popular person in the world.

872
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,840
Would they even believe that person? I don't know how

873
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,719
you'd even engage that.

874
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 10: You need the proof, you need the proof?

875
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, who would be Taylor Swift? Mister Beeese?

876
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,119
Speaker 1: Did you say mister Bean?

877
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,159
Speaker 6: No, but that would be great too. Personally, I would

878
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:48,639
press mister bean over mister Beees.

879
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 5: But that might just be me.

880
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so funny.

881
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 6: Really, I mean, like, honestly, somebody like Joe Rogan would

882
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,880
probably like if he had evidence it probably and I don't.

883
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,760
This is not a personal opinion, but I just think

884
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,719
in the psyche guishould probably carry more more weight than

885
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,119
a president would in terms of people believing him.

886
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 5: I don't know.

887
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 7: I think Shakira. I think if Shakira gave disclosure to

888
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,000
the world, I think if it's one person who I

889
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:14,639
would want to be an ambassador for planet Earth and

890
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:16,719
all of us humans, it would be Shakira.

891
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,119
Speaker 1: I see a lot of a lot of people putting

892
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,480
out there that question, like who would we have represent us?

893
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,480
Says who would be the representative of Earth? You know

894
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:29,239
that would be a boy, would good all? But then

895
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,320
be someone from the past that's dead and we can

896
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,880
bring him back to life, like Gandhi or someone I

897
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:34,159
don't know.

898
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's a hard question because for everyone

899
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:43,000
that takes any individual's per opinion as gospel, there's another

900
00:47:43,039 --> 00:47:48,679
person for whom that that messenger is the antithesis of

901
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,239
anything they would believe. Whether it's a religious figure or

902
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:55,960
a political figure. It's divided by We're divided by religion,

903
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:59,760
by party, and by country. So there's going to be

904
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,760
some thing, some fatal flaw with every human I think

905
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,199
that would preclude them from being accepted universally or even

906
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,480
even by a majority of people, whether or not they

907
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,639
were they had the goods, that's right.

908
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: And you know they talk about this what do they

909
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,400
call it. I forget the soft disclosure, and they what's

910
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,760
the other catastrophic disclosure? That's what you know, would have

911
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,840
to be like landing like you see in these movies

912
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,559
where it lands different craft land all over the world

913
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:32,400
at the same time. And of course they're going to

914
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,039
take us over, and you know all that's start eating

915
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:35,400
us for.

916
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,559
Speaker 7: Dinner, eat us for lunch.

917
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know, I really don't know. I don't

918
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:43,679
think it's a single person they would listen to. So

919
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,519
I guess that's the best we can answer them.

920
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't think of them.

921
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's another question here. Can each person on the

922
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,440
panel describe the one biggest story or new news event

923
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:03,000
they feel was better than the rest? I'm thinking, is

924
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:04,480
this over over the.

925
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 7: Probably overall, overall, of all time? Yeah, I don't know,

926
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:12,760
Let me think, let me think if it's of all time?

927
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 4: You wefo related, I'm guessing y yeah, right about UFOs Yeah?

928
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: Probably? Yeah?

929
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: Wow. I think he stumped us. Thank you, Paul, I.

930
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: Don't know, thank you.

931
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:28,199
Speaker 7: Oh, he said overall.

932
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,559
Speaker 6: Just sticking with the theme of research, it's the most

933
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:35,280
obvious answer. But I would say Roswell just because there

934
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,159
is so much research that has been done, and there's

935
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,440
so much material out there related.

936
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: To it and things going on right now. There are

937
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,159
festivals going on right now.

938
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 6: I know, I didn't realize it was now when you

939
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,519
said that Ben was down there. It was kind of

940
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:51,320
kicking myself that we came back from Colorado rather than

941
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,000
just continuing to drive south because that would have been

942
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:54,880
so much cooler.

943
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 5: But yeah, they're just people that did the work and.

944
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,519
Speaker 6: Got the first hand witness testimon before those things were gone.

945
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:05,239
And we've got a lot of material to go on there.

946
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,239
I'm sure that there are other cases like that out there.

947
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,760
We just need to gather bodies of evidence as large.

948
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: Okay, mine is the and I've said it many times,

949
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:17,000
the Aril phenomenon, the Ariel school incident, that's my number

950
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:19,760
one go to with John Mack coming in and interviewing

951
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,679
doing such a wonderful job. Everyone did a wonderful job.

952
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,119
The teachers right away, all right, everyone draw a picture

953
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,840
that was that was brilliant and who who would have

954
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,960
that could have been skipped and that probably would make

955
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,199
all the difference right there, that we wouldn't be hearing

956
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:38,400
about this all these years later, and those kids there

957
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,119
was one person that said it was a hoax and

958
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:43,159
then he he did it. He was called out that

959
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,280
and actually Randall Nicholson actually had the film of him

960
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,519
talking about how it affected him. So it affected some

961
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:53,719
of them emotionally, obviously it did with him and he

962
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:56,639
tried to walk things back and stuff like that. But

963
00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:01,840
the witnesses are just incredible. They've changed everyone's life all

964
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,719
the way through, and I think that's a great one.

965
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,800
Any what about you, Jack, do you have a particular

966
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,599
case like the Nimits or anything like that.

967
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 7: At first I thought it was like the event that

968
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,199
had the most influence of all time, like on the topic,

969
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,840
But it seems like it's just in our opinion, Like

970
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,800
what's better? I thought, I guess maybe what comes to

971
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,920
mind would be like that Phoenix Lights UFO event in

972
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,880
nineteen ninety seven, just because.

973
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 10: There was the whole city and like hundreds of people

974
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,239
or just thousands, thousands, thousands, yeah, excuse me, thousands, Like

975
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,480
that's a big deal, Like that's a lot of that

976
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,880
is a huge sighting with so many witnesses, like wow,

977
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,920
you can't explain that, totally unexplainable.

978
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 5: Including Kurt Russell.

979
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: Right, that's right right, And I had is it Marsha

980
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,000
Burnett who took all those calls? I had her on

981
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,800
my show and it was so she's that's such a

982
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,800
nice lady. And you know she took in the last

983
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,079
and a few days, she took over nine hundred calls,

984
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:03,159
these people wanting to know what it was. So yeah,

985
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,800
there were so many people did not call. You know,

986
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,159
there's so many other witnesses because everyone was out seeing

987
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:12,679
the comment. They were out and there was some people filming.

988
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,960
But a lot of the film you see is flares

989
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,599
people took later on when the real flares went out,

990
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:22,039
you know, which had nothing to do with the sighting unfortunately.

991
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,800
And as doctor Katai she it's iffy, whether hers or

992
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,719
the flares or not. So but anyway, I think, is

993
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:32,840
there any footage of it?

994
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 7: Oh?

995
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is, Yes, there is, yep. Trying to remember

996
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,719
who got that, but there was some I don't know

997
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,280
if I've seen it. Yeah, I'll have to. I'll have

998
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,559
to actually talk to the guy that's involved in that

999
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,880
out there. I'm still in touch with him. He's off often,

1000
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,360
he's in our chat. He comes to our chat a lot.

1001
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:53,760
But anyway, I'll check into that because I am planning

1002
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,480
on something next year because it's the anniversary. It happened

1003
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:02,239
March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, so March, I mean, yeah,

1004
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,599
March thirteenth is not Land on a Tuesday or Thursday.

1005
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:06,719
But I'm still going to do something for the anniversary.

1006
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,480
I already have people lined up for it, and one

1007
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,079
of them is someone that's he was in the very

1008
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:15,199
first James Fox film Out of the Blue or I

1009
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,039
know what I saw. I can't remember which one is

1010
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:20,079
the first one, and he's never talked about it since

1011
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:23,519
he's going to be on the show supposedly same day.

1012
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,760
But anyway, Yeah, I love that one too. That's in

1013
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,639
the top five of my mind.

1014
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:34,079
Speaker 4: N do you have Rendallsham I like Rendelsham, Yeah, because

1015
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:38,199
nineteen eighty sort of I was around then and the

1016
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:45,519
military because it was military observers, So rather fond of

1017
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:46,000
that one.

1018
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1019
00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: So we haven't talked too much about the latest file dump,

1020
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,960
and I know there's I know what I wanted to

1021
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,559
talk about. I don't know if anyone it seemed to

1022
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,840
me that they were talking about the orbs in the

1023
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:02,719
other ship and all that is anyone looked into that

1024
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:03,760
particular one at all.

1025
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was interesting to me.

1026
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 8: I hadn't I think I had heard a brief mention

1027
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,119
of this, But it's one of the I think it's

1028
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:15,679
one of the later documents sequentially in the drop, but

1029
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,800
it's the it's an unclassified memos, So I don't know

1030
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,599
if that means it was distributed originally unclassified or if

1031
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:26,920
it had was classified and has since been declassified.

1032
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: I guess unclassified.

1033
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:33,679
Speaker 8: Well anyway, Yeah, so it was it was federal officials,

1034
00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:37,000
federal agents that witnessed at a secure location somewhere in

1035
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:41,639
the West, that witnessed this glowing mothership orb and kind

1036
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:45,880
of in their words, that spawned multiple smaller orbs and

1037
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,119
lingered for hours.

1038
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,519
Speaker 2: And this memo is from Arrow, so take from that

1039
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:52,320
what you will.

1040
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 8: That they ruled out any of the obvious things they

1041
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,000
ruled out, Uh, let's took some notes here on it.

1042
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:05,760
They ruled out misidentified military exhaust because it was it

1043
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,400
would have been at the wrong altitude and the objects

1044
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,960
were silent and they loitered for too long. Probably it

1045
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,199
could have been consumer or military UAVs again because they

1046
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,480
loitered way beyond battery limits. What that that we understand.

1047
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:26,840
So they were there for too long, and they could

1048
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,800
have potentially been a flairs, except all the people who

1049
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:34,079
who reported this, who observed it, were very well acquainted

1050
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:37,199
with what players look like, and again they didn't they

1051
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:40,039
were there for too long. They didn't think it was

1052
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,920
likely that it was a natural or atmospheric explanation like ball, lightning, refraction.

1053
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:48,599
Speaker 2: Refraction, satellite players. They didn't think it was a foreign

1054
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:49,719
intelligent platform.

1055
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,679
Speaker 8: Again because it was so obvious for any effort to

1056
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:58,119
conceal its presence or or do anything kind of they

1057
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:02,760
would indicate that. Soh they basically left it at it

1058
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,119
could be unrecognized technology, which is what ARROW uses as

1059
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:12,519
a placeholder for the percentage of things that resist explanation.

1060
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,719
So they didn't say that it was UFOs, but they

1061
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,519
said a lot of things that it's not. And the

1062
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:25,800
people who reported it, it's eyewitness reports from reliable, allegedly

1063
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,920
reliable servers who didn't weren't able to get any sensor

1064
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:35,000
documentation of it, so it's just it's a story, but

1065
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:37,320
it's a story from a reliable source.

1066
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: And that was, you know, kicked up the chain of command.

1067
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 8: So that said something about how the veracity of the report,

1068
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:49,280
so you don't know what it was now.

1069
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: Was someone talking about the nineteen fifty two incident? Did

1070
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,119
someone talk about that earlier?

1071
00:56:55,679 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 6: We brought it up earlier, Yeah, but I think before

1072
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,880
we went live maybe, yeah.

1073
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:03,199
Speaker 1: Oh, I think you're right, yeah, because there was some

1074
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,000
I think there was some talk about that. Well, I

1075
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:13,480
know Eric Burleson talked about it during the forum and uh, yeah,

1076
00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:19,000
that's always that's always. Uh, that time is what you know,

1077
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:23,440
spawned the Robertson report that was in nineteen fifty three,

1078
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,599
because it was just such a wild time, not just

1079
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:29,079
over Washington, but that was such a year of the

1080
00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:31,119
year of the flap or the year of the Captain,

1081
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:33,760
the year of the flat was nineteen fifty two, with

1082
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,559
just so many things going on. Anyway, I thought that.

1083
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: Was panel was actually in this release as well.

1084
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:42,639
Speaker 1: Oh is that right?

1085
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 5: Wow?

1086
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:46,199
Speaker 1: Yeah? Now what about the did anyone look at the

1087
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:50,400
potato shaped craft and Fort Carson.

1088
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 5: Was the horrible mock up of.

1089
00:57:54,559 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: Yes, oh it looked like mister Potato flying. I'm sorry

1090
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,440
I have took everyone ont of it.

1091
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was good.

1092
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:05,679
Speaker 2: I thought the.

1093
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:06,679
Speaker 5: Story was interesting.

1094
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 6: I just think that, Yeah, that mock up was probably

1095
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,199
not doing it justice if I were the person who

1096
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:15,199
would have reported that pissed off that's the way.

1097
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1098
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: Makes you wonder if that's to belittle it a little

1099
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,360
bit or you know, soften it a little bit. So

1100
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,519
I don't know, could be, could be. Yeah, Well, I

1101
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:32,639
guess what we'll do is we'll do one wrap around

1102
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,880
about it's going to be good to be back in

1103
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,000
another month to do this, and it's probably going to

1104
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:40,440
be on a Wednesday night. That's better for you too write,

1105
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:45,119
So Wednesday night most likely we can make work all right.

1106
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:48,159
But it's been real fun having you on. I think

1107
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:51,519
it's been kind of a positive month and it just

1108
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:54,119
seems like, you know, I don't know what the next

1109
00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:56,840
release is going to be, and maybe eventually we'll actually

1110
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:01,519
see some really good stuff. I hope we do. Go ahead, Yeah, yeah,

1111
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,840
anyone last statements from anyone here. We did our hour.

1112
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 5: I think we're moving forward.

1113
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,239
Speaker 4: I mean, three years ago we went to the first

1114
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:14,639
Cricket Congressional hearing and now there, you know, we met

1115
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,880
some people in the line. Now they're up there talking

1116
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,920
about it, like let's put it out there. I mean,

1117
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:23,039
I wish it would go a little faster, but it's going.

1118
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:27,320
It didn't used to go anywhere before people did eye rolls,

1119
00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:31,760
and now it's yeah, it's really going an yeah, it's moving.

1120
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,639
Speaker 1: So we have one more question. Shall we take a look? Okay, yeah,

1121
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,719
last question the night speaking of MIT Lincoln Labs, any

1122
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,599
ideas why they would have a video of MH three seventy. Wow,

1123
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,599
I didn't know that. I don't remember him saying it.

1124
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:50,239
Grosa had Oh. I remember him saying something about Lincoln

1125
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:56,000
Labs had request with it. Oh, with the nineteen fifty

1126
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:57,360
two recoding?

1127
00:59:58,119 --> 01:00:01,239
Speaker 5: Wow, I think probably recording, but yeah, recording.

1128
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 6: Okay, about that video that they have of the military,

1129
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,480
I don't know if you said general or colonel somebody

1130
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,880
giving a presentation to scientists and Jack, that's what you

1131
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,360
had mentioned I believe before we went on talking about

1132
01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:21,400
the thank it was at least adjacent to the nineteen

1133
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:22,320
fifty two flat.

1134
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1135
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: All good, okay, Jack, any last thoughts.

1136
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,079
Speaker 7: I'm just gonna share some love to the chat. So

1137
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:36,679
glad you guys joined the live stream today.

1138
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, thank you so much.

1139
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you all for being here live, and thank

1140
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:44,760
all our hosts for being live too. It's always nice

1141
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,719
to be live, but no, no, thank you for being here.

1142
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,599
It's been a lot of fun and so we'll be

1143
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:52,920
back in another month, first of the month, first Wednesday

1144
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,239
of the month, or if Thursday's workout is it's better

1145
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,519
in my world because I always I try to have

1146
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:00,800
things on Thursday, but if it doesn't work, it'll be Wednesday.

1147
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,480
So check for Wednesday Thursday. If you subscribe to the channel,

1148
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:07,800
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1149
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,159
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1150
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:15,239
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1151
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,360
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1152
01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:20,960
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1153
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,559
and so don't forget to come back on Tuesday, July seventh,

1154
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,519
and it's going to be a pre recorded show. I'm

1155
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:33,199
recording tomorrow with Rear Admiral Tim Galadett. We've been hanging

1156
01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:35,679
out a little bit in Contact in the desert. We

1157
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,440
got to Seema Washington, DC well and I thought he

1158
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,280
did an excellent job on the panel. So check that

1159
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,559
panel out. That panel is on the YouTube channel of

1160
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:48,039
this YouTube channel, and that's I recorded that from the

1161
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:51,480
second row using two iPhone cameras believe or not, the

1162
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:55,599
iPhone Max. Anyway, thank you all everyone, and thank you,

1163
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,119
like Jack said, for everyone in chat, and it was

1164
01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:02,239
a good night and we'll see you next month. And

1165
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:04,239
we don't really have to say keep your eyes to

1166
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,639
this guy because this is the headline. So we'll just

1167
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:07,559
see all next month.

1168
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:16,239
Speaker 5: Goodbye everyone, Bye everybody.

1169
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, m hmmm, mhm