Speaker 1: Well, it says with the UFO, Jack and myself, but
we got two more people and they're going to be
joining us all along. Here we have Kelly and Sam
or Sam and Kelly, whichever you prefer. And so, yeah,
we've become fast friends in the UFO world, and I
think if it was any other way, we'd still become
fast friends. Had nothing to do with UFOs, nothing to
do with it, I agree. Yeah, and Jack, thanks so
much for being here, and everyone who's watching this live,
you have to check out Jack's hat. I love it.
How on earth did you get a Blockbuster hat? Did?
I thought Blockbuster would be around longer than the United States, really,
you know, I mean, And it's just it was so
hard to believe that we'd be doing everything online the
way we are. But who could have seen it? Isn't
there all that stock money I had in Blockbuster and
Sacron two and oh my god, that picks some really
good ones. Yeah, but anyway, we're all glad to be here.
So I'm here with Donna next to me, producer Donna,
better half, whatever you want to call her. She's here,
and Sam and Kelly they're in Montana, and Jack's very nearby.
Myself where we are right now. We are in Portsmouth,
New Hampshire, this time of year, and there's the Betty
and Barney Hill incident. That's where they lived right here.
There is currently at the library here and I'm sorry
the Historical Society here in town. We have a Betty
and Barney Hill exhibition. There's been talks. I was down
and we were down in South Carolina, could not see
it at that time. Doing a talk here and Rye,
that's I don't think it's going to be. It's all
because of this whole situation. But going to be doing
talk in a little town called Ride, New Hampshire, very
historic little town, and I'll be surprised at who will
show up to listen to UFOs. All right, So I'm
really excited because I saved tonight to talk about a situation.
Donna and I were at the Forum, the Disclosure Forum
in Washington, d C. We made it there. We got
up early, we did everything we're supposed to do. I
got my hand terribly caught in an elevator in the hotel,
and yeah, it was quite a mess, but we still
made it and everything is fine. And I whenever you
want to come and see my new hotel. No, I'm
not that type of person. I'm not that type of person.
I say, hey, a couple of nights free. Say that'll
be good enough for me. But anyway, we had a
wonderful time, and I'm going to start showing some pictures
of the day and I wish there would you know,
it was a very full crowd, I will tell you that.
So if we go around the room, we'll see Ross Coldheart,
and we see doctor John Blitch who's been on the show,
and then we see myself. Of course I can't see
the figure and the figure I'm turning away from, but
if you look at my hand, I am holding my wallet.
That makes me very nervous. I have absolutely no idea
what I was, who I was going to pay, or
anything like that. But I'm not even gonna think.
Speaker 2: You want Ross pick in your pocket.
Speaker 1: Apparently it was Ross. Yeah, I grabbed my wallet back, okay.
And so these two great people both have been on
my show too as well. We have Anna Brady Estevez
wonderful and she works in the government. She's also involved
in the Disclosure Foundation. And doctor Keith Taylor, thank you
always great seeing him. We saw him when we were
when we were with the Tedesco brothers as well. So
this is John Blitchick course, and of course Matt Ford
and I were hanging out and talking a lot. Donna
got to see Leslie Kane and they had a nice conversation.
And this is right where we were sitting a little
selfie here Dan, Danny, She and of course his some friend,
not his wife, but friend. And this is kind of
a funny picture. That's just showing you this one because
this is when I met and talked to Chris Mellan
for the first time. Now, Chris Mellan and I were
talking on the phone all the time years ago, back
in twenty sixteen, and uh, and he wanted to know
about my house up on the mountain and all.
Speaker 2: That type of stuff.
Speaker 1: So the thing is, you can see me grabbing a
hold of my glasses. So I showed him my glasses. Says,
see these glasses I have. I got those glasses because
I love the glasses you're wearing. He's already hooked me
up through email. He's hooked me up through an Italian
company where he had those mate But anyway, I still
love his glasses. He said, he's had him for years. Now.
I'm going to show a couple of videos here. This
is just a quick one. This is behind the scene.
Speaker 2: Back when I was at this, when.
Speaker 1: I was disposer.
Speaker 3: You were walking up the steps. Here come friend of
the who's who.
Speaker 4: I I.
Speaker 1: Thought I could do it. I thought I could do
a voiceover talk over that. But so I don't know
how this picture came up. I never clicked on it,
but here it is so anyway you could see all
the people there. That was when we got in early
because we were with the media and Obby Lowe was
there and help put off. I had a really nice
conversation with him. Don'nut What did you think of that
whole situation?
Speaker 4: As you can imagine, it was just a who's who
of everybody that we've that's been in the you know,
researching the topic, between politicians, writers. James Fox was there,
it was Ross Coultot, it was everybody, and it was
just a lot of excitement. I got to talk to
Leslie Kane. We were discussing the reactions of people to
the phenomenon to the disclosure, and there was a lot
to talk about how we are surprised about some of
the reactions of the general public. It's not a panic.
It seems to be apathy. I don't know too much
going on. So we were talking amongst ourselves.
Speaker 1: That was one thing that came up. Yep, it is.
It is kind of funny. You would think that, I
don't know, there was I didn't see a lot of
There was some media, but they were hanging out in
the halls afterwards. But I didn't see like you seeing
in there, and just you just would think with all
all the people that were attending, especially you know, people
in our government that were there, some people didn't show up.
Timber Chet didn't show up. Jillibrand I had got pulled
away on something else, so unfortunately she.
Speaker 2: Was not there.
Speaker 5: And Anna Polina Luna.
Speaker 1: Yeah she did. She was really there. She and really funny.
A couple of things that she said was pretty funny. Well,
there we go, you know, but we had odd I
don't know if you're watching, for those of you who
were watching this live, they had all types of audio
cutouts and things. And that's our taxpayer money at work
right there. Let me tell you so. I mean, the
building is just beautiful and I took this picture mainly
to show, you know, the back part. Look at the
beautiful carved Roman capitals on that all marble. That's all marble,
and to carve marble like that, I mean, it's just
the monumental task. And it's such a beautiful building. And
that's where the watergate hearings were, and you know so
many other things that happened there. That's the oldest Senate
building in the country and there. I thought it was wonderful.
And I kind of wrap this up in a roundabout way,
but unless there's something else you'd like to say about it, Yeah,
I just thought it was great to be among friends
and all these people, Ryan Graves and I got to
talk to him.
Speaker 5: Question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if for those of us who weren't there, I
know there are quite a few hours of the sessions
that were recorded in different panels that spoke for somebody
who's only got a couple hours, what panel what part
of it do you think was the most impactful for
folks like us, because I heard a lot of it
was really good for more top of the funnel folks perhaps, Yeah,
but I was or a little bit further down the funnel.
Speaker 5: So what part would you recommend?
Speaker 1: Well, I actually recorded it live. The part that i'd recommend,
and it's on my YouTube channel. I want anyone to
go there and take a look. It was a panel
with starting out with Gotti I can't remember his last name, Schwartz,
Gotti Schwartz, who's a celebrity on his own, you know,
in TV programs and things and news and all that.
So he did he was the moderator of a panel.
Then that's what I filmed. And he was absolutely fantastic
with his questions and I really love to get him
on the show. He really knew his stuff. And so
in that panel in particular, away from him was Christopher Mellan,
then Tim Galadet, who's going to be on this coming
Tuesday on my show on the seventh, So Tim Galadet,
and then help me go down the line. I know
there was Oh, yes, there's a guy who has a
very hard name. It's Meulick, very hard von something. And
he was so good, he was brilliant, He was really brilliant.
I really I'm not going to try to pronounce his name, Jack,
do you know how to pronounce his name?
Speaker 7: I think Kelly just said it Marek von Benning.
Speaker 1: Mark Marek, that's his first name. Yes, And then another.
I think he's an A lister and he was supposed
to be on the show, but he screwed up. Kirk O'Connell,
he's just amazing. He had a lot of really great
things to say. So you have a really really good
video of that. I want you to check it out.
I have a lot of close ups when they're talking
because I had two cameras I was using. But anyway, yeah,
check that out. I think that was the best panel.
But overall, it was a great day. We were exhausted.
We didn't stay for the whole entire thing, but it
was it was fun for where we were there, and
like I always say, it's always fun in the hallways,
you know, that's where you meet people people with the
like interest. And someone yelled, oh, you're the UFO Tesla guy. Huh,
that's giving me because I do the other thing on Tesla.
And I talked to Ryan Graves. I told him, you know,
one of the reasons I bought the Tesla, you know,
was that he praises his so much, and so does
James Fox loves his too. So anyway, I am going
to kind of close out unless either one of any
one of you have any more questions about the event.
Speaker 2: I I just have to interject.
Speaker 8: I really appreciated the question that you had the opportunity
to ask.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to show that. I'm going to show that. Yeah, yeah,
let's see. Okay, here it is so yeah, I mean,
and thank you for that, because I didn't know whether
it landed all that well or not, but but here
it is right here. Hello Martin Willis from podcast UFO,
thank you all for being here. Question that I have
is when these files have been released, they keep coming out,
and the people that have been around the UFO community
for a long time, it's all say the same thing.
Where's the good stuff? You know, where's There's got to
be more than this. And a lot of this is
military I saw there, you know, other releases, the latest one.
But a lot of people also have fear of I
heard you Representive Girlson mentioned private entities. There's been talk
about things going like crash retrieval, and I know the
Schumer Rounds had the eminent domain aspect of it. You know,
these things go into these private companies and then they're gone.
There's no oversight, there's no way to see what's really happening.
And so I just wondered if you could address those questions.
Thank you a few times.
Speaker 9: Hearing the reports of the like was just mentioned of
other sightings. We've had so many site of those reports.
But where's the photos? And I would say, if you've
got the photos, let's see them, bring them forward. If
the public, if there was that many people that cited it,
then we want to see the footage.
Speaker 7: We want to see the.
Speaker 2: Cell phone footage.
Speaker 9: Right So, but at the end of the day, when
you don't have it, it's just narrative. So that's where
or I'm at. I'm like we've had We've had a
lot of great hearings with some great witnesses, and at
this point, I'm as frustrated with you as you are.
I want to see I want to see the real stuff.
What we're trying to do in my team is take
actionable information and then request it. And so right now
I don't have subpoena power. Personally, I got frustrated trying
to go through the committee and the length of time
that it takes and again dealing.
Speaker 2: With staff.
Speaker 9: And so my team, my office, we're just sending direct
letters interrogatives to these you know, whether it's m I T.
Lincoln Labs or miter Attel and others that I don't
want to say yet, we're sending these letters. We're sending
letters to the FBI saying and we're being very specific.
We're saying you, we want you to investigate the details
of the Varhema incident, right. And then we're saying, for example,
the Mi T. Lincoln Labs, we are aware that there's
a doctor, there's a real to real audio that's date,
that's from this date with this name and uh, and
we demand that you retain that file and that you
provide it to Congress.
Speaker 2: And so when you get that specific, I think that that's, hey, I.
Speaker 9: Don't I kind of I'm going to give them the
benefit of the doubt. I think a lot of these
institutions don't even know what they have. And so but
when when you all and people bring information to us,
specific details and information that helps us craft the letter,
which then gives the instructions. And you know, I'm maybe
the four hundred and thirty fifth most powerful member of Congress,
but at least I am a member and can write
a letter.
Speaker 2: That they might just listen to.
Speaker 9: And so that's that's what we're trying to do right now,
and I think we've made some success. Mit Lincoln, lads,
it did admit that they do have that reel to
reel and that led us to be able to find
out that there's more to that that Miter is involved with.
So now our letter to Miter contains more detailed information.
Speaker 2: So we're pulling the thread.
Speaker 9: It's oh, we're seeing a softening of the soil, if
you will, and we're just going to keep doing that
in order to get the truth.
Speaker 1: Okay, just a couple of things before I we move
on from that. Burlson and cold Heart sat down. I'm
hoping this is yeah, it's going to show up, and
he talked about that real to reel and there's really
a lot of information. So I suggest you go on
it's a news Nation thing and just look up representative.
Maybe I'll put that in the show notes for those
who may be interest in it. So you got to
check that out. It's it's very very interesting and I'm
trying to stop the share on there. Where is it?
Are you here? Okay, yes, sorry about that. Yeah, I
mean I thought at least it made some of a
conversation that was only myself and one other question, and
that was Matt Ford had He did not have a question.
He basically was the only other person and he talked
about he was the only other person that wanted was
able to talk, and James Fox had his hand up
and it was like he didn't get picked and it's
unfortunately he said, he he said he had what did
he say? He said he had an earth shattering question
he was going to ask and I said, oh man,
I'm so sorry I asked. But anyway, I don't know
what the question was. He wouldn't tell me, saving it
for next time. But it was really great. Matt Ford
made a statement, not a question. He had documents that
were sent to him that all these things were happening
with the orbs and things like that. There was a
lot of talk about orbs. So that's it. So before
we go into this one more thing, and I'm sorry,
I'm hugging the show. We got as much time left
as we were as we want here, but I wanted
to just show. Here's when I showed the selfie before.
It's showing the room. But also you see our friend
over there, Ben Hansen, and also right next to matt Ford.
So I had this situation happen recently. It was July first,
in the middle of the night, I got a contact
from my car saying that, you know, there was an event.
So when I checked it out, it was just so weird,
and then I saw what I thought was a figure.
So I sent it to Ben Hanson, who has his
hands absolutely full, former FBI investigator, and he's on Fact
and Faked and so many TV programs you can't even
you know, you can't even count how many shows he's
on about this subject and others, And so I asked him.
He does a lot of analysts of films and things
like that, and he was on his way to Roswell
and he still went through the whole thing for me.
It's only made it long, thankfully. So anyway, I'm doing
a voiceover of the thing that Ben sent me on
his analysis. So this is a voiceover on the film.
It's all out of order, like he talked, things that
show up later. So just keep in mind the whatever
it is that I thought with some type of figure
bouncing around that comes into play towards the very end.
And then I do an enlargement of it and you
can look at it and see for yourself. But you know,
someone said it was a cat, and then some people
said they didn't see it. It's very hard to see.
It's very low resolution. So here it goes right here
with my voiceover at Ben's comments on it. Here we go, Hey, Martin,
I can see what you're talking about. I think the
fears are moisture smudges. If it wasn't raining, there's probably
just enough mist or condensation to cause the smudges that
seem to be changing a bit with the wind, and
it just happens to be on the lens. The figure
moving inside may not be a figure, though due to
low resolution, it's possible just pixelation as a smudge morphs
into a new shape. It does look like something with
a gate bouncing motion to a walk, so I can
see it resembles a person or creature. I'm not ruling
that out, although I haven't seen this exact effect before
at night. It's possible that the water droplet is acting
like a convex mirror and is catching the motion of
something like someone else walking just outside the frame of
a camera. Think of it like one of those circular
security mirrors in a department store to catch shoplifters. I
didn't see any corresponding motion or anything in the frame
of the camera. Just because the water bends light, it's
possible that the curvatures are capturing the motion and not
the frame. I'm not sure if that makes any sense.
The bottom line is, yes, it looks odd, but I'm
not sure what it is. I hope that helps. Did
you see it? Am I crazy? Or did you see it?
Speaker 5: I saw it. I saw it, and you sent it. Yeah,
it looked like legs of their legs.
Speaker 1: It looks like something bouncing around, but you know, it
could be I liked that the explanation. It could be
someone actually walking far away and it catching like a
convex mirror doesen for shoplifters. How they look weird far away?
Maybe something like that. But it was still really weird.
And I've had a couple of weird things happen lately,
and I just thought this was just another one of
those things. We're going to talk about it, how we time? Yeah,
all right, so thank you all for letting me hog
this show. Now I'm going to keep quiet, and I
don't know. You want to go around? Do you want
to start? Anyone want to start? In particular. If not,
I'm going to start someone go ahead, Kelly, Okay.
Speaker 6: So I would love to hear what everybody's thoughts are
on this new UFO council that was stood up to
the And somebody jump in if I'm misrepresenting this, but
my understanding is it's a council the White Hook White
House appointed and Abby Lobe's heading it. And there are
some big names on there, you know, speaking which Tim
Galiadad would be really interesting if you can ask him
anything about it.
Speaker 5: I'd love to hear his thoughts.
Speaker 6: But Gary Nolan's going to be on it, not Jacques,
which I thought was really interesting. And one of the
names that has gotten a lot of attention is the fact.
Speaker 1: That I know, I don't say it.
Speaker 2: Don't say it.
Speaker 1: Michael Shermer, Yes, I know.
Speaker 6: We've talked a little bit about Mick West Martin, but
Martin Shermer has Michael pardon, Michael Shermer, I'm so sorry.
Michael Shermer has been pretty unapologetically awful to a lot
of the whistleblowers. Yes, harsh and certainly not not true things,
and he's watched some of them back.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: I think a lot we are skeptical of this council
just by virtue of the fact that he's on it.
I think the idea of having a skeptical voice on
the Council isn't the problem. But I think his voice, specifically,
I've heard, is the problem with a lot of folks.
So I'd love to hear what you guys think about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know. I knew right away there
was going to be a problem when I heard Michael
Shermer was going to be on it, and he was
on my show, you know, and Donna. This is years ago.
Donna was helping me out from Afar. I think we met.
Did we meet? I don't know if we even met.
And she got Michael Shermer on my show. I said, hey,
I'm going to give you I'm going to give you
your own email address. Can you shoot a you know,
try to get She got James Fox for the first time.
This is back in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And and I had written James, but I didn't have the.
Speaker 4: Stick tuitive ness, the stick touitive ness you need with
James Fox.
Speaker 1: You have to keep. James Fox is one hard person
to you know. He was I've tried to nail him
down before tonight come on and talk a little bit,
and yeah, sure he gave me, sends me heart the
I I'm busy doing forty things at once. You know,
he's very very uh he's self admittedly adhd and we
all love him for that, we really do. I forgive him.
I told him all he told. He asked me if
I was really upset at him one time. He says,
you know what, You're always forgiven. That's how I feel
about James. He's just a character.
Speaker 6: Well me, what was Michael like on your show? And Donna,
what was your impression in interacting with that?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Remember I do remember.
Speaker 4: I wasn't interacting with him. I just got him as
a guest. But I remember listening to the show. You know,
I think Martin handled handled it pretty well. I think
they he was gentlemanly about it. I would say, I
don't really. It's been a long time.
Speaker 1: It has you know. I love having skeptics on. I've
had four or five of them on seth Shawstak. Mick
West has been on two or three times. Oh, I
have to tell you something funny about Mick West. This
is really funny. So I had Mick west On and
I had at the same very same time, I had
Kevin Dayon, and I had Kevin explain to Mick west
why his theory was not going to hold water and
it was totally wrong, And right in the middle of it,
Mick says, God, you know, I think you're right. I
think he agreed that he was wrong. And a week
later I saw him on CNN or something like that
and he's saying the same story, like he never had
the conversation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, wow, back to a stack.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I mean, I love having skeptics on. I've
had another one filmmaker on once that was really we
really And I got to tell you, Seth Shostak, he's
almost eighty now, but he's still sharp. But when I
had him on, he was so prepared. I was so
I was prepared, and he was so prepared for my questions.
It was like he had like I said, can't you
be open minded enough to think that we there's they
could have the technology, they could have physics that we
don't know about yet we haven't discovered in that they
could get here. And then he had any answer for everything.
He was He was a prepared skeptic I should say
or debunker or whatever you want to call him.
Speaker 8: And I think for me, those people like that give
skeptics a bad rap, because anything in life you need to,
you know, except maybe your love for a family member,
you need to look at skeptically and analyze why you
think or feels something and whether it's like a valid input.
That's it's reasonable to look closely at things and try
to examine every angle that you can get at it.
But you're closed off to the evidence. We all, you know,
we all know where that leads.
Speaker 1: Well, and I think, no, go ahead, no, no, I
want don't want to lose your thought.
Speaker 2: I'll have money.
Speaker 6: Well, I just I also think that given the history
of disinfo and counterintelligence and how much we have seen,
whether that was Menzel or Philip Class or some people
argue that maybe even Neil de.
Speaker 5: Grass Tyson is along those lines.
Speaker 6: And I think the fact that government affiliated is already
a little bit of an obstacle for people to really
feel like there's going to be any inherent transparency. And
I think putting Schrmer on there, you know, as Sam said,
it's not that he's questioning things and being rational about them.
He goes in as blindly disbelieving as the tinfoil hat
people go in believing and besides the same coin, and
neither one is particularly helpful to the field.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, one hundred percent agree with that. So I will
tell you that Michael Schrmer was very polite and he
talked about an experience that he had where he thought
he saw something or whatever, and then of course, you know,
made sure they was able to say that it was
explainable that type of thing, and I was I saw
I caught something with James Fox and him on a panel,
and it was so funny because he started talking about
this incredible UFO that you know that and then finished
it with how it was explainable, and James Fox's we
don't want to hear this up. We already know there's
a lot of explainable things. What kind of what do
you bring into the table?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 1: I went on and on. I thought it was a
great takedown. I loved it.
Speaker 2: It was wonderful.
Speaker 1: But we do need skeptics, Yeah, we do need skeptics.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but we need skeptics that haven't already made up
their mind, just like we need investigators that haven't made
up their mind. That's kind of the point.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, Jack, we haven't really heard much from you. Sorry,
we've been cutting you off all the time.
Speaker 7: And I haven't been saying much.
Speaker 1: You're fine. So what do you think about things in
the last month.
Speaker 7: I see a whole lot of talking and not a
lot of doing. But that's just me keeping it simple.
I think it's definitely good to see the ball moving forward,
which it is. But I remember Dean Alioto told me
last year and it shout out Dean, but it broke
my heart, and I think he realized it in the
moment when we were speaking, but he I remember it
was when the congressional hearings were a big buzz, I
think maybe last spring, and he had said, you know,
in his opinion, he felt like the congressional hearings had
run their course. And I feel like all the file
dumps that we've gotten, which I think is three now,
and then with this committee coming to light and having
congress people sending written letters to these mysterious hidden agencies,
I just think I'm wondering if the file dumps have
run their course, and I wonder what the next step
is going to be. Where's the next big ball? That's
rolling down the hill. What do you guys think or
are we just getting started?
Speaker 8: No, I agree with you one hundred percent. And I
think part of something that was telling for me in
that last dump of from the twelfth was the ship
to away from military instrumentation toward just home videos basically. Yeah,
so I thought that was that's kind of that's them
wave in the flag of surrender and saying, you know what,
we're not even trying anymore.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I really think we need to lean less on the
government and more on some of the institutional knowledge that exists.
Sam and I have opressions with some of our friends
in this space, and I think looking at researchers who've
been at this for so many years, there are collections
and boxes of information in those researchers possessions that I
think probably puts most of the material in these drops
to shame. And I'm really hoping that we can learn
more from some of the community members who have done
so much. Never listening to Jacques at Contact in the
Desert talk about and understandably a lot of that is
still classified, but he talked about panels he worked on,
you know, ten years ago, fifteen years ago, where they
were reviewing literally hundreds of thousands of unexplained cases after
they've all been whittled down, and I think that material
is out there in the hands of some researchers, and
I'm hoping that we're going to hear more people in
the community stepping up, because I don't think we're going
to get a whole lot more, at least right now,
from the government.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just have to talk about something technical really quickly. Jack.
I don't know what's going on, but the feedback's coming
through your or microphone somehow from Kelly when she talks,
maybe from myself. Are you hearing through your air pods?
How about now, Kelly, go ahead and talk.
Speaker 5: Sorry, Jack, it's probably just because I'm too loud.
Speaker 1: Nope, it's not. I don't hear it now. Okay, that
solves that. Sorry about that having to do that, love
all the fan Oh okay, well not bad, not bad chat,
but anyway, it's not at all. Uh. Yeah, I don't
know about Kelly about what you just said, because I
have to say that we look to the government for answers.
They're like, that's what we're looking you know. They hold
that there, they have that power to you know, legislate
into whatever it is they do. They they have you know,
we're they're voted into office, they're there, and we look
to them for these type of answers. So I don't know,
if it comes from the private sector would be good,
but it would have to eventually get into the government
where they would agree and then there would be some
acceptance there. And I think there is more than ever now.
But still I think that we need both. We can't
neither entity can do it alone. Neither all of us
or them separately can do it alone. I don't think.
But I mean, one of the things in all the
file dumps and everything that I was concentrating on was
that it was all military. And I understand because they
have really good equipment and things like that, and the
government releases they're releasing government with their billions of dollars
worth of equipment and all that. But then it was like,
you know, people have better videos than these, you know,
and all that, but you can't believe anything anymore with
AI and all the tricks people can do. But still,
you know, we do need all of us. I think
I think it's what is it they're saying, it takes
a village. It takes the realis to move this thing forward.
Speaker 6: Though, like the military stuff that's come out, we do
know how much equipment they have, many different types of
sensors that collect all sorts of data. They aren't sharing
any of that. They're sharing very much intentional information when
they have the power to share a lot more. And
to me, that is just a screaming neon sign that
we're not going to get what we want at this
point from them. And if we want to get to
a tipping point where really, to your point, Donna, what
you were talking about with Leslie Keene, if we want
to get to a point where people aren't apathetic, we
we're going to have to do a lot more on
our own because clearly they're not going to offer up.
And I could be the crazy nutto in the in
the corner, but I don't trust a lot of what
the government's telling us at this point, to be very honest,
and I don't know many people who do. And I
think in order to get things from them, it's going
to have to be behind they're going to have to
be up against a wall.
Speaker 7: But yes, Jack, sorry, when you had said, I don't
really try star government a lot. One clip that I
just saw. Americans for Safe Airspace recently launched their podcasts
and they have one single YouTube short that's available on
their channel, and in that clip, he's talking to an
air traffic controller of you, Mark, you, Martin, and Donna.
You guys literally saw the balloon get shot by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were right under it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah when that was happening. I don't know if
you guys have seen that clip or remember it, but
the air traffic controller in his interview with Ryan Graves
is literally saying there were a bunch of other actual
UFOs and orbs or something or metallic orbs that were
flying craft in the air at that same time that
actually never got reported by our media, And there was
a whole other u actual UFO side story that wasn't
a balloon that was happening at the same time that
that balloon was flying through the country. That was the
vibe that I got. So if we're being fooled at
that level, and at that time, I had no idea
that was even happening, and I just was thinking it
was balloons, I mean, man, we're never It's just it's
going to be difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like a distraction in a way.
Speaker 8: I have to ask yourself, though, would the government say
something with a balloon if it wasn't a balloon.
Speaker 5: They've never done that, never ever, never ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I want to thank everyone that's in chat,
thank you all for being here. We have, you know,
a pretty good group of people. And if you have
any questions for us, we'll gladly answer them, but please
do put them in caps so I happen to catch
them and I can pull them up on the screen
just like going like right here, I can just pop
that right up. So if you do have a question
for us, please do put it in caps and we
will pose it. Just if it can kind of keep
along with our topics that we're talking about, that would
be great.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Jack, real quick before we go on to
the next thing. Speaking of UFO news on podcast UFO,
you just had Ronnie verneon from Brazil, and did he
say something about twenty six different alien being chases in Brazil?
Did I hear that right on your show?
Speaker 1: I think that was I think that was it. That
was like he's crazy. He's done some great research. He's
a great researcher, very level headed and He likes the
science aspect of the things too, so he's not going
to go off the rails like you know, someone that
might want to pursue a little Oh, I don't know,
extra attention. Yeah, but it's all good. O.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was pretty wild. I was I hadn't heard
of that case, or I forget that. Do you remember
this name of the city he mentioned in Brazil? It
was a city I hadn't heard of. No, I'll have
to look back at the recording. But folks in the
chat check out that interview. It was pretty good turn it.
Speaker 5: I was driving kids, so I missed it. I'm gonna
have to go back and watch it again.
Speaker 1: Thank you too for being here. And you just did
a trip across country? Was there anything interesting you can
talk about it all?
Speaker 6: You were over to Colorado, to be honest, hear of
what has me really thinking about just there's so much
institutional knowledge out there that I think is sitting in
places like where we went. There are a lot of
people we're standing on the shoulders of giants and people
who did a ton of work in kind of the
previous generation.
Speaker 5: And it was a time where you know, you didn't
do a.
Speaker 6: Grab of files from a research visit t NARA and
throw them all up online as somebody might now exactly
Jack's Stanton Friedman, Yeah, Ryan Woods and his dad, Bob,
Linda Moulten, Howe, Richard Dolan's old stuff that there's so
many people that were doing that incredibly hard work and
just anecdotally, you know, research projects I'm working on with
some colleagues, like, we've got a list of targets right
where Okay, we need to go to NARA and we
need to pull these different record groups. And I'm realizing
a lot of that material is sitting in the files
of these incredible researchers that came before us, and I
think really hoping there can be something done to organize
and consolidate a lot of that wisdom that sits out there,
because again, even with some of the stuff that we
saw this week, there's nothing I can really speak to
specifically yet, just because we have a bit more to
do before that. But I think it blows what's been
in those three file dumps out of the water.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's good to hear. So we do have
a couple of questions in chat. I'm just going to
pop them up here hoping that it's on topic. Do
you all think it's likely multiple civilizations visiting us all
the time or just one? It's multiple, yeah.
Speaker 5: Said one.
Speaker 6: And now I totally think it could be multiple civilizations,
which Sam's gonna look at me sideways for and another
reason for him to think I'm crazy, But I really
think it's possible at this point.
Speaker 4: And Donna, Oh, I think it's multiple civilizations. I think
they've been here the whole time, precede us, maybe seated us,
maybe somehow manipulating us as time goes on.
Speaker 2: That's what I think.
Speaker 1: I think it's. If I had to give an opinion,
I would think that it's possible that there's many things.
And I love the explanation of maybe it's something that
we couldn't understand with what we have to work with.
But I also think that I think it's a it's
very possible that it could be somehow extraterrestrial through another dimension.
I know that sounds weird, but it could be something
along that line's a way of travel somehow in a
time manipulation type of situation.
Speaker 2: So I just.
Speaker 1: Think, like I think Jack or Kelly, you said, someone said,
you have to be open minded you know, you can't
just have your mind made up if maybe Samuel said that,
But it's like I feel like, in order to keep
looking at this topic objectively, you have to have an
open mind and be willing to accept that it could
be likely a whole bunch of different things.
Speaker 8: And I guess I'm not even willing to say that
the idea of a civilization or a species would necessarily
be even meaningful to.
Speaker 2: Whatever this is.
Speaker 8: Just to what Martin was saying, this could be so
unimaginably different from anything we've conceived of that they whatever
they are, they who knows if they identify as a
day or how they present themselves to the world, you know,
to our world, or And I guess so, I think
it's as likely that there could be a multitude of
different entities for lack of a better, different types of entities.
Speaker 2: I think it's as likely as they're being one ayntient plasma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Jack, do you have any opinion on any
of this?
Speaker 7: Listening to everybody talk Martin, you have this story that
you love to share that I think makes a lot
of sense. It's relatable to this question. That air Force
pilot you met who flew in the Vietnam War, and
you had asked him. I can't remember what the question was,
but his response to you was something like, he thinks,
whatever the phenomenon is, he thinks we're just a Petri dish, like,
oh yeah, environment, Yeah, we're being observed and tested and whatever.
I always found that kind of stuck in my mind
for a little bit because I could absolutely see that
being one of the many different outcomes. But if there's
more than one, just odds and probability in math and statistics,
with how big the universe is, I would be lean
more towards It's definitely multiple, and there's maybe more than
just one other thing going on, but we lump it
all into one bucket because we're not smart enough to
know what it is. Yet maybe one day we are.
Speaker 1: Well just for telling the story, because a lot of
people haven't heard the story. Yeah, shar but it is.
We have feedback. I'm trying to figure out how to stop,
and I'm going to mute a couple of mics and
see if at least will stop right now. Okay, and
I apologize to those that are long listeners that have
heard this story a few different times. But okay, back
in the nineteen nineties, long before I was even looking
at this topic. I as a child or whatever. I
would see something every now and then think it was interesting,
but I would didn't really have an interest like I
do now. So I had a real I'm not a
real estate agent. I had an insurance agent come to
the house and I was buying a life insurance policy
and we got to chatting after I filled out all
the paperwork and everything, and he said to me, basically,
he says, yeah, I said, I was in Vietnam. And
I said, oh really, I said, boy, that must have
been terrible. He goes, no, not what I was doing.
I said, well, what were you doing? And he said, well,
I was in the Air Force and he says, and
I had a very interesting job. And I said, well,
what was that. He said, I was in a special
task force that was looking into why UFOs were showing
up during napalming and all types of situations. And I said, what,
you know like that and he says yes, and they're
very interested in on nukes too. I said, what do
you mean, our nukes, like our nuclear power plants on
nuclear warheads. He said yes, both of them. And it
went on and on. So it was a fascinating conversation
and I hadn't really thought about anything at that point.
So we were all wrapped up, and at the end
of the day he was heading out the door and
I said, hey, by the way, you know you worked
with the government, right and he said yeah, and for
the Air Force. But I said, but it was through
the government. I said, what does the government think these
things are? And then he just looked at me and
he said, well, they think we're a petri dish. And
then I said good night to him, went out the door.
And I've been trying. I know what his name is,
Tom Bowden. His name is Tom Boden. He was a
real estate broker. And I can't even find an obituary. Nothing.
I can't insurance broker, and I just can't find the guy.
I would love to talk to him again. But that's
the long version of Sorry, Josh.
Speaker 10: Such a good story, Such a good story.
Speaker 7: Shout out Tom Bowden.
Speaker 1: Wherever you are. Tom Collins, Hey, by the way, I
do have a call in number, but I don't have
that with me right now, but I do have a
setup for Collins that'll be coming up.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Jack, So piggybacking off of your story, Martin,
let's tease that out a little bit. What would you
guys think on the stream here, Like if that was true,
if all we were was some kind of someone else's experiment,
just like we do in like biology class in high school,
learning whatever it is that the subject is for the
day in school, Like, what if that's all we really are?
Would you guys even care? Would it hurt your ego
at all? Would you even think twice about it? Or
would you not really care?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's a great question. It's a really good question, really
good question.
Speaker 6: Before we move on to the next thing. I just
want to put out there, Martin. I don't know if
it's okay for me to give an email address or not,
but sure anybody out there has a grandfather or an uncle,
or even themselves, or a grandmother who is a nurse
at right Patterson or anything. I mean, I do think
that there is such a shortage of focus on that
primary source material. And I'm such a research nerd, And
if anybody has anything, please send me an email Kelly
at frightday dot com. I would love to hear anything
that anyone has and I'm trying to put more work
into that research end of things. It's become a real
passion since I made my first trip to the archives,
and so just wanted to put that out there in
case anybody in the chat or listening has a box.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me just tell you about my feelings of
the Petri dish. Ark When I think of the Petri dish,
and I did write something in high school and I
got an A on it, which was kind of rare,
but it was an essay on races around the world.
I said that we were seated by different planets in
the in the universe and to see how we'd all
get along together. I know it's a crazy thing, but
when you're in high school, it sounded interesting and so
I kind of get it in that way, the Petri
dishes that were being watched and we're seeing how things develop.
But I don't know if it means that we were
seeded or whatever. But that's kind of the feeling that
I get what he meant by a Petri dish. I
could be totally wrong. I'd love to be able to
add him, but I don't think that's going to happen.
That's kind of what I have the feeling he meant
by a Petri dish. Now we did have this other
question right here. I don't know if anyone wants to
read that it's other than a government official. Is there
one person that could say to the world aliens or
in the dimensional beings time travels exists that the world
would say, Okay, I guess it's real. And I don't
think it's going to be a president. I don't think
it's going to be a leader of a country. I
don't know who's the most popular person in the world.
Would they even believe that person? I don't know how
you'd even engage that.
Speaker 10: You need the proof, you need the proof?
Speaker 5: Yeah, who would be Taylor Swift? Mister Beeese?
Speaker 1: Did you say mister Bean?
Speaker 6: No, but that would be great too. Personally, I would
press mister bean over mister Beees.
Speaker 5: But that might just be me.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so funny.
Speaker 6: Really, I mean, like, honestly, somebody like Joe Rogan would
probably like if he had evidence it probably and I don't.
This is not a personal opinion, but I just think
in the psyche guishould probably carry more more weight than
a president would in terms of people believing him.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I think Shakira. I think if Shakira gave disclosure to
the world, I think if it's one person who I
would want to be an ambassador for planet Earth and
all of us humans, it would be Shakira.
Speaker 1: I see a lot of a lot of people putting
out there that question, like who would we have represent us?
Says who would be the representative of Earth? You know
that would be a boy, would good all? But then
be someone from the past that's dead and we can
bring him back to life, like Gandhi or someone I
don't know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's a hard question because for everyone
that takes any individual's per opinion as gospel, there's another
person for whom that that messenger is the antithesis of
anything they would believe. Whether it's a religious figure or
a political figure. It's divided by We're divided by religion,
by party, and by country. So there's going to be
some thing, some fatal flaw with every human I think
that would preclude them from being accepted universally or even
even by a majority of people, whether or not they
were they had the goods, that's right.
Speaker 1: And you know they talk about this what do they
call it. I forget the soft disclosure, and they what's
the other catastrophic disclosure? That's what you know, would have
to be like landing like you see in these movies
where it lands different craft land all over the world
at the same time. And of course they're going to
take us over, and you know all that's start eating
us for.
Speaker 7: Dinner, eat us for lunch.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know, I really don't know. I don't
think it's a single person they would listen to. So
I guess that's the best we can answer them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't think of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's another question here. Can each person on the
panel describe the one biggest story or new news event
they feel was better than the rest? I'm thinking, is
this over over the.
Speaker 7: Probably overall, overall, of all time? Yeah, I don't know,
Let me think, let me think if it's of all time?
Speaker 4: You wefo related, I'm guessing y yeah, right about UFOs Yeah?
Speaker 2: Probably? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow. I think he stumped us. Thank you, Paul, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, thank you.
Speaker 7: Oh, he said overall.
Speaker 6: Just sticking with the theme of research, it's the most
obvious answer. But I would say Roswell just because there
is so much research that has been done, and there's
so much material out there related.
Speaker 1: To it and things going on right now. There are
festivals going on right now.
Speaker 6: I know, I didn't realize it was now when you
said that Ben was down there. It was kind of
kicking myself that we came back from Colorado rather than
just continuing to drive south because that would have been
so much cooler.
Speaker 5: But yeah, they're just people that did the work and.
Speaker 6: Got the first hand witness testimon before those things were gone.
And we've got a lot of material to go on there.
I'm sure that there are other cases like that out there.
We just need to gather bodies of evidence as large.
Speaker 1: Okay, mine is the and I've said it many times,
the Aril phenomenon, the Ariel school incident, that's my number
one go to with John Mack coming in and interviewing
doing such a wonderful job. Everyone did a wonderful job.
The teachers right away, all right, everyone draw a picture
that was that was brilliant and who who would have
that could have been skipped and that probably would make
all the difference right there, that we wouldn't be hearing
about this all these years later, and those kids there
was one person that said it was a hoax and
then he he did it. He was called out that
and actually Randall Nicholson actually had the film of him
talking about how it affected him. So it affected some
of them emotionally, obviously it did with him and he
tried to walk things back and stuff like that. But
the witnesses are just incredible. They've changed everyone's life all
the way through, and I think that's a great one.
Any what about you, Jack, do you have a particular
case like the Nimits or anything like that.
Speaker 7: At first I thought it was like the event that
had the most influence of all time, like on the topic,
But it seems like it's just in our opinion, Like
what's better? I thought, I guess maybe what comes to
mind would be like that Phoenix Lights UFO event in
nineteen ninety seven, just because.
Speaker 10: There was the whole city and like hundreds of people
or just thousands, thousands, thousands, yeah, excuse me, thousands, Like
that's a big deal, Like that's a lot of that
is a huge sighting with so many witnesses, like wow,
you can't explain that, totally unexplainable.
Speaker 5: Including Kurt Russell.
Speaker 1: Right, that's right right, And I had is it Marsha
Burnett who took all those calls? I had her on
my show and it was so she's that's such a
nice lady. And you know she took in the last
and a few days, she took over nine hundred calls,
these people wanting to know what it was. So yeah,
there were so many people did not call. You know,
there's so many other witnesses because everyone was out seeing
the comment. They were out and there was some people filming.
But a lot of the film you see is flares
people took later on when the real flares went out,
you know, which had nothing to do with the sighting unfortunately.
And as doctor Katai she it's iffy, whether hers or
the flares or not. So but anyway, I think, is
there any footage of it?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is, Yes, there is, yep. Trying to remember
who got that, but there was some I don't know
if I've seen it. Yeah, I'll have to. I'll have
to actually talk to the guy that's involved in that
out there. I'm still in touch with him. He's off often,
he's in our chat. He comes to our chat a lot.
But anyway, I'll check into that because I am planning
on something next year because it's the anniversary. It happened
March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, so March, I mean, yeah,
March thirteenth is not Land on a Tuesday or Thursday.
But I'm still going to do something for the anniversary.
I already have people lined up for it, and one
of them is someone that's he was in the very
first James Fox film Out of the Blue or I
know what I saw. I can't remember which one is
the first one, and he's never talked about it since
he's going to be on the show supposedly same day.
But anyway, Yeah, I love that one too. That's in
the top five of my mind.
Speaker 4: N do you have Rendallsham I like Rendelsham, Yeah, because
nineteen eighty sort of I was around then and the
military because it was military observers, So rather fond of
that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we haven't talked too much about the latest file dump,
and I know there's I know what I wanted to
talk about. I don't know if anyone it seemed to
me that they were talking about the orbs in the
other ship and all that is anyone looked into that
particular one at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was interesting to me.
Speaker 8: I hadn't I think I had heard a brief mention
of this, But it's one of the I think it's
one of the later documents sequentially in the drop, but
it's the it's an unclassified memos, So I don't know
if that means it was distributed originally unclassified or if
it had was classified and has since been declassified.
Speaker 2: I guess unclassified.
Speaker 8: Well anyway, Yeah, so it was it was federal officials,
federal agents that witnessed at a secure location somewhere in
the West, that witnessed this glowing mothership orb and kind
of in their words, that spawned multiple smaller orbs and
lingered for hours.
Speaker 2: And this memo is from Arrow, so take from that
what you will.
Speaker 8: That they ruled out any of the obvious things they
ruled out, Uh, let's took some notes here on it.
They ruled out misidentified military exhaust because it was it
would have been at the wrong altitude and the objects
were silent and they loitered for too long. Probably it
could have been consumer or military UAVs again because they
loitered way beyond battery limits. What that that we understand.
So they were there for too long, and they could
have potentially been a flairs, except all the people who
who reported this, who observed it, were very well acquainted
with what players look like, and again they didn't they
were there for too long. They didn't think it was
likely that it was a natural or atmospheric explanation like ball, lightning, refraction.
Speaker 2: Refraction, satellite players. They didn't think it was a foreign
intelligent platform.
Speaker 8: Again because it was so obvious for any effort to
conceal its presence or or do anything kind of they
would indicate that. Soh they basically left it at it
could be unrecognized technology, which is what ARROW uses as
a placeholder for the percentage of things that resist explanation.
So they didn't say that it was UFOs, but they
said a lot of things that it's not. And the
people who reported it, it's eyewitness reports from reliable, allegedly
reliable servers who didn't weren't able to get any sensor
documentation of it, so it's just it's a story, but
it's a story from a reliable source.
Speaker 2: And that was, you know, kicked up the chain of command.
Speaker 8: So that said something about how the veracity of the report,
so you don't know what it was now.
Speaker 1: Was someone talking about the nineteen fifty two incident? Did
someone talk about that earlier?
Speaker 6: We brought it up earlier, Yeah, but I think before
we went live maybe, yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think you're right, yeah, because there was some
I think there was some talk about that. Well, I
know Eric Burleson talked about it during the forum and uh, yeah,
that's always that's always. Uh, that time is what you know,
spawned the Robertson report that was in nineteen fifty three,
because it was just such a wild time, not just
over Washington, but that was such a year of the
year of the flap or the year of the Captain,
the year of the flat was nineteen fifty two, with
just so many things going on. Anyway, I thought that.
Speaker 2: Was panel was actually in this release as well.
Speaker 1: Oh is that right?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Now what about the did anyone look at the
potato shaped craft and Fort Carson.
Speaker 5: Was the horrible mock up of.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh it looked like mister Potato flying. I'm sorry
I have took everyone ont of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 2: I thought the.
Speaker 5: Story was interesting.
Speaker 6: I just think that, Yeah, that mock up was probably
not doing it justice if I were the person who
would have reported that pissed off that's the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Makes you wonder if that's to belittle it a little
bit or you know, soften it a little bit. So
I don't know, could be, could be. Yeah, Well, I
guess what we'll do is we'll do one wrap around
about it's going to be good to be back in
another month to do this, and it's probably going to
be on a Wednesday night. That's better for you too write,
So Wednesday night most likely we can make work all right.
But it's been real fun having you on. I think
it's been kind of a positive month and it just
seems like, you know, I don't know what the next
release is going to be, and maybe eventually we'll actually
see some really good stuff. I hope we do. Go ahead, Yeah, yeah,
anyone last statements from anyone here. We did our hour.
Speaker 5: I think we're moving forward.
Speaker 4: I mean, three years ago we went to the first
Cricket Congressional hearing and now there, you know, we met
some people in the line. Now they're up there talking
about it, like let's put it out there. I mean,
I wish it would go a little faster, but it's going.
It didn't used to go anywhere before people did eye rolls,
and now it's yeah, it's really going an yeah, it's moving.
Speaker 1: So we have one more question. Shall we take a look? Okay, yeah,
last question the night speaking of MIT Lincoln Labs, any
ideas why they would have a video of MH three seventy. Wow,
I didn't know that. I don't remember him saying it.
Grosa had Oh. I remember him saying something about Lincoln
Labs had request with it. Oh, with the nineteen fifty
two recoding?
Speaker 5: Wow, I think probably recording, but yeah, recording.
Speaker 6: Okay, about that video that they have of the military,
I don't know if you said general or colonel somebody
giving a presentation to scientists and Jack, that's what you
had mentioned I believe before we went on talking about
the thank it was at least adjacent to the nineteen
fifty two flat.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: All good, okay, Jack, any last thoughts.
Speaker 7: I'm just gonna share some love to the chat. So
glad you guys joined the live stream today.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you all for being here live, and thank
all our hosts for being live too. It's always nice
to be live, but no, no, thank you for being here.
It's been a lot of fun and so we'll be
back in another month, first of the month, first Wednesday
of the month, or if Thursday's workout is it's better
in my world because I always I try to have
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and it's going to be a pre recorded show. I'm
recording tomorrow with Rear Admiral Tim Galadett. We've been hanging
out a little bit in Contact in the desert. We
got to Seema Washington, DC well and I thought he
did an excellent job on the panel. So check that
panel out. That panel is on the YouTube channel of
this YouTube channel, and that's I recorded that from the
second row using two iPhone cameras believe or not, the
iPhone Max. Anyway, thank you all everyone, and thank you,
like Jack said, for everyone in chat, and it was
a good night and we'll see you next month. And
we don't really have to say keep your eyes to
this guy because this is the headline. So we'll just
see all next month.
Speaker 5: Goodbye everyone, Bye everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, m hmmm, mhm