1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: What is a fellasic goes, I am a delirious Dan 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,400 Favalley coming at you with Mort Jensen of the NBA 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,679 podcast fame, of Yahoo Sports fame, and of Forbes fame 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,839 as well, and most importantly only fan celebrity. We're here 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,559 talk Nick Pacers, which is just one of the most 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,239 outrageous playoff series so far that I've seen in recent memory, 7 00:00:28,239 --> 00:00:32,240 which is wild considering how many ridiculous playoff series we've seen. 8 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:35,119 Mark just before we get started and dig into what 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,880 we've kind of seen, and then we have questions for 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,759 the rest of the series. 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,799 Speaker 2: How the heck are you doing well? Sir? Doing well? 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:41,960 Let's just get right into it. 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,719 Speaker 3: I could bore you with the details of my life 14 00:00:44,759 --> 00:00:46,840 and how I'm doing, but I think the pe will 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,640 want to hear about this series way more so. 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: What so let's start. I want to start here this series. 17 00:00:57,359 --> 00:00:59,320 What are your impressions of it so far? Just like 18 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:01,439 what is? Can you? But is there one element of 19 00:01:01,479 --> 00:01:04,159 it that shocked you the most? Is there something that 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,879 you'd like? This clearly isn't how anyone expected it to go. 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,280 We know the Nicks haven't been great at home in 22 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,000 the playoffs, but lose the first two while having just 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,000 an all time choke fest in game one. So then 24 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:17,959 game three their trademark on the road. We're down twenty. 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,640 It looks awful. We're gonna come back and do this? 26 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:23,280 What is Let's that's the question. What's been most surprising 27 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:25,280 to you about this series so far? 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, I'm not gonna sit here and 29 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:31,400 say that I would predict these major like late games turnarounds. 30 00:01:31,439 --> 00:01:33,239 Speaker 1: That's why I predicted all of it, all right. 31 00:01:33,519 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, But I will say I'm not surprised at the 32 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:40,680 overarching element of Indiana winning the first two and then 33 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:43,200 dropping their first home game like that. I'm not surprised 34 00:01:43,519 --> 00:01:46,599 that the Pacers are up to one. So I think 35 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:49,920 in the overarching scheme of things, it's holding true to 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,920 what I you know, kind of expected. It's the way 37 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:55,680 we got here, right, It's the journey. It's not about 38 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,239 the destination, and the journey has just been nuts. It's 39 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:01,640 like I actually say, I think Jalen Brunson said it 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,040 the best. He said, He said it better than I 41 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,760 can ever say. He said, no, lead feels safe. That 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,560 is absolutely right on the money. Like even last night 43 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,520 when they were down was the ten points coming into 44 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,000 the fourth, you know, you were like, you know what, 45 00:02:18,199 --> 00:02:20,879 this game's not over ten points. In today's NBA, that 46 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,599 can go like that. That can be a quick turnaround. 47 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:26,879 And I think they tied it or did they even 48 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,479 take the lead the next like at the eight minute mark, 49 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:32,680 eight seven or eight minute marks, something along those lines, 50 00:02:32,719 --> 00:02:35,479 so like, and and then after they did, you still 51 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,879 were like, oh, okay, they're leading. 52 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,439 Speaker 2: But I don't feel good about that either. 53 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:44,039 Speaker 3: Right right, So I guess my biggest takeaway is I 54 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,759 love the fact that when we're late in games, we 55 00:02:47,879 --> 00:02:51,680 have no fing clue was actually going to pull it out. 56 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,919 I think that makes for great basketball viewing. I think 57 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,879 it makes for such an intriguing layer of these playoffs, 58 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:01,759 So that that's probably what's most surprising to me. Like 59 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,879 we've seen a lot of DUTs in terms of like 60 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,800 playoff performances, like for you know, blowouts, teams that have 61 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,319 just beaten others by forty even forty So, oh, we 62 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,840 even had like a fifty point right was the heat calves? 63 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:17,879 Speaker 2: Like the game four? What was that? Was it fifty 64 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:18,360 nine points? 65 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,479 Speaker 1: Or what was Grizzly Thunder Game one? That was obnoxious? 66 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 2: Oh, that to us. 67 00:03:22,759 --> 00:03:26,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, so we've had some really big blowouts, and 68 00:03:26,759 --> 00:03:29,639 this one just feels different. These teams feels like they're 69 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,400 a little bit more aligned, like on the same level, 70 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,919 which just makes it so much more intriguing in terms 71 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,280 of the unpredictability of it. 72 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the next season. Felt over again when they 73 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,199 were down twenty in Game three. And you have to 74 00:03:44,199 --> 00:03:47,120 give a ton of credit to the Pacers, and what 75 00:03:47,159 --> 00:03:49,080 they've done really isn't a surprise to me. I think 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,759 anyone who's paid tangential attention to the Pacers understood or 77 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:54,759 at least had a feel for how good they were. 78 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,319 And I didn't pick them to win this series, but I 79 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,960 even noted at the when we were doing our predictions, 80 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,599 I said my head saying Pacers in six or seven, 81 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,719 and I just went my heart is saying Nixon seven. 82 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,800 They just feel like both of these teams for the East, 83 00:04:06,919 --> 00:04:09,879 like from the East perspective, are giving off team of 84 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,639 destiny vibes, just with the comebacks they've had, the shots 85 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,199 that they've made, and now there's just like this collision 86 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,160 course when you're kind of dealing into like more of 87 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:20,720 the nitty gritty of the series. I think one of 88 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:23,360 the things that from the Pacers end that has surprised 89 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,360 me is that we haven't seen and look, they won 90 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:28,879 the first two games, but we haven't seen more of 91 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,879 a small on Karl Anthony Towns like other teams have 92 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:35,720 gravitated towards it's been we want to stick with Andrew 93 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:37,720 Nemhart going on to Josh Hart so that he can 94 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:40,160 he can float around, which does seem like it's the 95 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,079 right decision. I'm curious and as we're recording this, I 96 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,000 don't think we have news on Aaron Nee Smith's ankle right, So, 97 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,600 not that I know, no, because that would flip a 98 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:53,040 lot of what India has done so far. I would think, 99 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:54,959 not that he's gonna miss time, but if he's hobbled, 100 00:04:54,959 --> 00:04:57,879 it's this dude defends Jalen Brunson that allows you to 101 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,199 use Andrew Nemhart in this way. But also, oh, I 102 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,160 think after the game that Karl Anthony Towns had, and 103 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:05,560 I have a couple like Knicks thoughts on that that 104 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,519 I definitely want to get to. But after the game 105 00:05:07,519 --> 00:05:10,079 that Karl Anthony Towns had, are we gonna see any 106 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:12,800 adjustments there? So? But I've been a little bit surprised 107 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,800 that we haven't seen more of that from the Pacers 108 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,759 initially just to get that look. But this team is 109 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,199 like the the amount of ways the Pacers that they 110 00:05:22,199 --> 00:05:25,959 can beat you is honestly terrifying. And it's just like 111 00:05:26,079 --> 00:05:28,240 Ben mcmathern's not had a good series. He's been on 112 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,800 the floor. It feels like they're playing four versus six 113 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,160 and like they still like Ben Shepherds right, like we're 114 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,160 gonna find a way, like carve out minutes for him. 115 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,920 The degree to which Miles Turner has deepened his offensive 116 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,600 bag over the past two to three years is actually 117 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,639 kind of mind melting when you look at his ability 118 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,160 to like dribble out of pressure and like take a 119 00:05:46,199 --> 00:05:48,040 side step three or just attack off the dribble and 120 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:52,040 maybe punish some mismassed excuse me, mismatches In the post 121 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:55,360 Pascal Siakam people, I say, this is one of the 122 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,199 few takes I got right, But like, remember how many 123 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,480 people were just kind of overthought past Gulciakam in Indiana. 124 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,079 Look at what it took to get him. And he 125 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,800 just adds this. I know he didn't have a great 126 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:08,199 Game three, but even down the stretch when they needed buckets, 127 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,480 things bogged down. You don't like to see them get 128 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,639 away from their offense. But that's also why you have 129 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,600 passed Gal Siakam. It's because those shots that you hear 130 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:17,639 the broadcast say it like you have to live with 131 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,240 that shot if you're the Knicks, and you know what 132 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,399 passed Gal Siakam wants those fadeaway jumpers, like from around 133 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:26,040 the elbow areas. So this Pacers team that needless to 134 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,399 say about just Tyres Haliburton, where that dude does not. 135 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,720 I'm trying to think of who the last guy was 136 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,120 in their prime who just didn't need to score to 137 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,800 have such a like demonstrative impact on the game. And 138 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,519 I know, like Jokic can have it now, but I 139 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:42,439 mean like he almost RELI yeah, Nash was the one 140 00:06:42,519 --> 00:06:45,839 Nash or Chris Paul maybe just like where they would 141 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,720 reliably not score twenty points in certain where it feels 142 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,360 like jokicch is oh did he score enough? And oh yeah, 143 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,959 he has forty. It just doesn't feel like he has. 144 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: For the Braun Lebraun occasionally like honestly that we just 145 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:01,199 don't make that comparison because he's built like a power 146 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,680 forward and he's you know, the leading score, all time 147 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:07,439 leading scorer, so that's why we never associate him in 148 00:07:07,519 --> 00:07:10,879 that vein. But there are plenty of games where he's 149 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,360 basically just being a floor general and making the right 150 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,680 plays and is settling for seventeen to eighteen points. So 151 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,800 you know, there are a lot of players who I 152 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:23,000 think Halbert is starting to remind me of in that 153 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,279 way that he approaches. I will say there are still 154 00:07:27,439 --> 00:07:29,600 some games Dan, and I think you and I've talked 155 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:33,639 about this before where I'm like, hmm, halle, come on, 156 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,920 like turn on the Jets right where he has some 157 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:38,519 sort of a mismatch where you know he can affect 158 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,079 the game, maybe a little game free like. 159 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson's on him or Towns is on him. It's like, 160 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,000 why aren't you getting deeper into the paint. We know 161 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:45,680 you can. 162 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: Yep, yeah yeah, And he's a big point guard to it. 163 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,480 I think for him that's probably the next step him 164 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,519 realizing just how tall and long he actually is, how 165 00:07:56,519 --> 00:08:00,399 he can extend himself. So there's when we think back 166 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:02,160 on it, and I know he's been retired for a while, 167 00:08:02,199 --> 00:08:05,040 so like not everyone might you know have the inner 168 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,079 movie in their head playing when I say his name. 169 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:10,199 But you remember how Dwayne Wade would like finish place 170 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:13,240 at the rim. I know he's like superbly athletic, more 171 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,079 so than Halle, but he would. 172 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,639 Speaker 2: Drive for example, he would take you know, the first. 173 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: Step and then he will he would extend with his 174 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,680 left arm he was coming off the left wing or whatever, 175 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:26,399 and like you would kind of go oh oh, like 176 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:29,000 he could just manufacture shots out of thin air because 177 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,440 he's just he knows how to utilize literally every single 178 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,720 inch of himself. That's where I think the next step 179 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:38,399 for for Haliburton's solution has to come to like he's 180 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,799 so long, and you see him be a little bit 181 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,720 more compactful on drives where I'm like, no, no, no, 182 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,720 stretch it out, man, Like you're supremely long, and when 183 00:08:47,759 --> 00:08:50,399 you're going up against you know, posting point guards and 184 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,200 like they're tracking you into the paint, you can just extend. 185 00:08:53,519 --> 00:08:55,919 Half of those guys are like six two six', Three 186 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:00,320 like you got both the wingspan and the high on. 187 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,279 Them just. 188 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: Extend, YEAH i mean it's a good. Point and yet 189 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:07,399 he the way that he can hit those shots in 190 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:10,120 big moments get separation from the perimeter almost it will 191 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,720 is just been like to have that because Like Steve 192 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,000 nash had some pretty big. Shots but IT i think 193 00:09:15,039 --> 00:09:17,879 that might be why if it's, me if it's, you 194 00:09:17,919 --> 00:09:20,200 if it's, other people might get more frustrated With halbert 195 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,120 and than it feels like with other. Players is because 196 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,279 he has the killed like he's a he's turned full 197 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,120 heel like the choke symbol In game. One this series 198 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:30,600 is so. NUTS i love it as a as A knicks, 199 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,759 FAN i can't handle it AND i don't want to 200 00:09:32,799 --> 00:09:35,480 die before THE Nba, Finals but as someone who tries 201 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:38,919 to cover the league as unbiasedly as, possible this is 202 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,879 WHY i still enjoy doing WHAT i do because it's 203 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:45,120 bonkers every single. Night AND i think this has been 204 00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:48,120 great for The pacers just to like people put this 205 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:51,480 asterisk on Their conference finals appearance last, year Which i'm 206 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:53,600 just not a believer in asterisk because it's so hard 207 00:09:53,639 --> 00:09:55,720 to win a title in any given, year no matter 208 00:09:55,759 --> 00:09:57,960 the injury breaks your team gets or another team. Gets 209 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,960 but this has been sort of a no not because 210 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,279 doing it against The, knicks but it's you went through 211 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,559 The cavaliers and you did that to The knicks on their. 212 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,759 Home did you SEE i was laughing at this that 213 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,200 there Were it was probably ON, espn maybe it Was Fox, 214 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,480 sports about, like, well will The pacers be afraid to 215 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:15,279 win A game seven IN? Msg they won A game 216 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:17,399 seven IN msg last. YEAR i know The knicks were, 217 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:20,159 injured but like that was always, ridiculous AND i like 218 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,759 That india finally seems like it's starting to get the 219 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:25,799 credit that it deserves as as like the team that's 220 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,399 as good as it. Is BUT i did want to 221 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,039 ask you about the, towns the way they're Defending, towns 222 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:32,919 specifically when he's been defended by one of their, Bigs 223 00:10:32,919 --> 00:10:36,159 Pascal siakham Or Miles. Turner The knicks are averaging as 224 00:10:36,159 --> 00:10:39,000 a team one point three eight points per possession for this. 225 00:10:39,159 --> 00:10:42,639 Series that's, Outrageous but you kind of look at where 226 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,480 you've been and you can make the case, That, okay 227 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,480 The knicks choked Away game, one but you were up 228 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,000 two zero and you should have been up three to. 229 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,960 Zero when you kind of look at How game three 230 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,799 unfolded in the, LADDER i mean you could kind of 231 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,480 sense them letting go of it towards the end of 232 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,639 that first. Half The knicks went on that mini. Run 233 00:10:57,159 --> 00:10:59,480 but if You're indiana looking at, this do you then 234 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:02,320 investigate more of, like, well do we put like a 235 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,559 smaller player On Carl Anthony towns because he's just been so. 236 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:08,399 Hesitant part of it is The knicks won't go like 237 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,159 get him the ball, sometimes but the other part of 238 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,919 it is just he's not wired unless really he's on the, 239 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,639 Block like he's just not wired to attack those guys 240 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:17,120 the way that he should. Be and so if You're Rick, 241 00:11:17,159 --> 00:11:19,600 carlisle is that something you're looking at for the rest 242 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:20,919 of the series or do you look at this and, 243 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,120 say we're up two to, one we can easily be 244 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,120 up three to. Zero we're. Not we're not flipping anything right, 245 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,159 now especially again when we're kind of wondering about the 246 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,440 state Of Aarony smith's. 247 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,399 Speaker 3: Ankle, RIGHT i think WHAT i If i'm The, PACERS 248 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,000 i prepare for, everything and then When game four starts, 249 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,879 ROLLING i kind of read it as it. GOES i, mean, 250 00:11:40,919 --> 00:11:44,720 Look townds had four points entering the fourth quarter last, 251 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:48,159 night for, Example so, like if he has another slow, 252 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,279 Start i'm not necessarily inclined to switch things up on him. 253 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,799 Necessarily the thing about sounds and this is why he's 254 00:11:56,879 --> 00:12:01,519 so difficult to cover. Us, well it's when he actually 255 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,200 gets NOT i don't want to say. Motivated motivating is 256 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,360 the wrong, word but when he gets, aggressive that's probably 257 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,080 a better. Word when he gets like super. AGGRESSIVE i 258 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:11,720 honestly don't care who you put on. Him it could 259 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:13,519 be a big it could be a, wing it could 260 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,120 be a you, know a sturdy. GUARD i don't. Care 261 00:12:17,159 --> 00:12:19,720 when he has that level of confidence and he just 262 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:23,600 seeks things, out he will win that wet matchup far 263 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,320 more than he'll lose. It so for, me it's not 264 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,679 a matter of, oh how does a team affect you, 265 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,919 know the defensively To. Towns to, me it's all About towns. 266 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,559 Himself it's, like when do you want to attack it 267 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,320 the right? Way how do you want to do, this 268 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,559 this and? That and that's when you had to react 269 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,559 as the opposing, coach because let's be, real If towns 270 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,440 is like fully on, board comes out aggressive from the opening, 271 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,000 TIP i don't think it matters if you Put Myles 272 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,120 turner on him Or AARON. E smith Or Andrew, yeah, 273 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,279 YEAH i. DON'T i don't like then he'll just punish 274 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,799 you in every, way which way he. Can so to, 275 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:04,799 me it comes down to like reading How towns is 276 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,240 approaching a. Game it means that shooting, around you have 277 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,559 one of your assistant coaches, basically just you tell one 278 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,120 of your assistant coaches for the next forty five, minutes 279 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,080 you Watch towns during, warmups and you watch only, him 280 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,360 and you give me a full report, afterwards like do 281 00:13:17,399 --> 00:13:19,159 we have to be? Concerned doese how? That look at the, 282 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,960 side look at what is he working on right? Now, 283 00:13:21,039 --> 00:13:23,879 everything and if he comes out, slow you don't worry about, 284 00:13:23,879 --> 00:13:26,320 it at least not until he starts amping up a little. 285 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: Bit that's an excellent, point because he was having he 286 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,360 was actually had some pretty good defensive, moments AND i 287 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:33,919 think a lot of the times in that third quarter 288 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,559 then specifically The knicks played great defense only to brain 289 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,240 farted away at the offensive. End but he didn't like 290 00:13:40,279 --> 00:13:42,799 he was having a nothing game until the fourth, quarter 291 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,960 and he scored Those he had twenty POINTS i think 292 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,679 by the five minute and ten mark, left and then 293 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,279 he didn't score. Again by the, WAY i believe WHAT 294 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,919 i do think is interesting and it kind of dovetails 295 00:13:51,919 --> 00:13:53,879 with your point, Nicely And i'm curious your thoughts on, 296 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,639 this So tis makes the starting lineup, change Inserts Mitchell 297 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,759 robinson For Josh. Hart what also, happened, though is everybody 298 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,120 gets in foul. Trouble duce McBride had three And Quality 299 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:04,919 towns And Jalen brunson were both in foul trouble the 300 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,639 rest of the. Game, essentially it Forced tibbs to put 301 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,360 him in this. Lineup This town's put in this lineup 302 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,679 where he had to be aggressive offensively because you were 303 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,919 playing With Josh, hart duce, McBride Delon wright And Landry, 304 00:14:17,919 --> 00:14:21,159 shammitt WHICH i don't know If tibbs was just playing 305 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:22,840 the fuck IF i know What i'm doing card or 306 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:24,879 if this was just, No i'm really trying To you 307 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:26,840 have to give him credit for experimenting with. It that 308 00:14:26,879 --> 00:14:30,000 lineup specifically played like three. Minutes it was three electric. 309 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,720 Minutes but even when you're looking at the mixing and 310 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,759 matching the other parts of it to where there was 311 00:14:34,799 --> 00:14:36,559 other players in, there but there still was No Jalen. 312 00:14:36,559 --> 00:14:39,399 Brunson it wasn't having both, mckail bridges And ogan And 313 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:41,720 obi there at the same. Time what do you make 314 00:14:41,759 --> 00:14:43,879 of the idea that if he's put in a situation 315 00:14:44,279 --> 00:14:48,559 to where he has. Won he's insulated defensively because not 316 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,639 only Is Jalen brunton not on the, court but you've 317 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:55,399 surrounded him With duce, McBride Josh, hart And Delon wright 318 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,480 who can still like he will fight Even Landry. Shamitt 319 00:14:57,519 --> 00:15:00,559 by the, Way i'm not saying he's a great, defender no. Greens, 320 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:02,399 yeah he put up a fight in the post on 321 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,399 a couple of, Possessions so you've insulated him, DEFENSIVELY i 322 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:07,240 think just by virtue Of John brunson not being out. 323 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:09,720 There and then, two what do you just sort of 324 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,120 make of the idea that baptize this by fire essentially 325 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,120 where it's like he has to be aggressive? Officially do 326 00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:17,120 you want to know? Why because no one else, like, 327 00:15:17,159 --> 00:15:19,519 Yeah deuce McBride will put up some, shots but no 328 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:21,440 one else is going to generate their own shots at 329 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,519 the clip that he. Can And i'm wondering if that's 330 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:26,039 a recipe and it leads into another THING i want 331 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,039 to ask you about in a, Second but what do 332 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,000 you make of that being a recipe for it doesn't 333 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,639 have to be that exact lineup because that was? Okay 334 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,799 is that a lineup that's going to. Sustain but let's 335 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,559 Put Karl Anthony town's in a situation where he has 336 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,639 to be the, guy, yeah to make that happen. 337 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:44,039 Speaker 3: OFFENSIVELY i don't hate that a plan, whatsoever because, look, 338 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:48,519 Look jalen might be your most skilled offensive player in 339 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,480 terms of like you, know oh, NO i want to 340 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:56,440 say most skilled perimeter offensive. Player towns has a capability 341 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:57,159 of playing inside. 342 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: Out he. 343 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: Is he's a playmaker a, well like a secondary. Playmaker 344 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:05,519 SO i trust the ball going through his hands almost 345 00:16:05,559 --> 00:16:07,519 as much As jalen to be honest with, You, like 346 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:10,559 we're up at that. Level yet when we've seen games 347 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,559 all throughout the, season it's all like the center point 348 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,960 of everything has always Been Jaal Jail. JALEN i think 349 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,679 that's been a slight miscalculation on behalf of the coaching staff. 350 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,840 THERE i don't think The knicks and we can even 351 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,240 go back to the walls for, YEARS i don't think 352 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,919 anyone has really Utilized towns in that high use row 353 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:33,480 THAT i think he can he could actually. MAINTAIN i 354 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:35,360 said this On blue S guy the other the other. 355 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,720 DAY i still think If towns is, like you, know 356 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,279 mentally ready for a season where he's like aggressive right 357 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,200 off the. Pop he could have like a thirty point 358 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,879 average on high efficiency throughout a full. SEASON i don't 359 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:52,320 think that is in any way. Unrealistic like when you 360 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,639 think about, it he his free throws at a high. 361 00:16:54,679 --> 00:16:58,039 Clip he's a tremendous three point shooter for someone his. 362 00:16:58,159 --> 00:17:00,440 Size he can still score in the, post although you 363 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,639 know that's one that's probably the one area where he lacks. 364 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:08,279 Speaker 1: Aggressiveness and even when he's, aggressive it just looks. Clumsy it. 365 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 3: Does but like he's he's still efficient enough to the 366 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,880 point WHERE i wouldn't hate running more of my offense through. 367 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,240 Him AND i think this series has been a very 368 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:20,480 good example of actually taking your two best offensive players 369 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,640 and telling, them, hey score. More Like jalen sid thirty, 370 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,000 Four towns at twenty. Six Those i'm not Asking jalens 371 00:17:28,039 --> 00:17:30,720 to score forty four every single, day but Like i'm 372 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:33,359 saying that those two should definitely carry more of an 373 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,240 offensive burden for The knicks and not saying they should 374 00:17:37,279 --> 00:17:39,720 play forty five. Minutes that's part of like the give and. 375 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,960 Take you, know the next, season coming into next, season 376 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,559 you have to make sure every one of those starters 377 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:48,119 are playing below forty five. Minutes first and, foremost that 378 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,000 is wildly. Important but when those guys are out, There 379 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,359 jalen And carl, specifically you have to run more of 380 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:56,200 the offense through. 381 00:17:56,319 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: Them you just. 382 00:17:57,079 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 3: Do and that's Not i'm not trying to point fingers 383 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,640 At mikale or. Og og has been fantastic this season. 384 00:18:05,759 --> 00:18:08,279 Overall i'm not saying he's a bad offensive, player BUT 385 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,119 i do think it's pretty clear That jale And carl 386 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,799 are the, two you, know the two guys who make 387 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,480 things go in a way Where mikhaale And og can 388 00:18:16,519 --> 00:18:19,079 sort of play off of those. Two so, YES i 389 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,799 trial by, fire fine by. 390 00:18:20,839 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: Me and WHAT i think is interesting about that IS 391 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,440 i would agree with you overall in the sense OF 392 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:29,079 i really don't think because of what we, saw this 393 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,920 isn't just A knicks. THING i think it's probably received 394 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,720 more of a spotlight because he's In New york now 395 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,680 instead Of. Minnesota corlegue has always been a roller, coaster 396 00:18:35,799 --> 00:18:38,279 and a lot of that can be on. Him he 397 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,599 is the closest you get to having a viable number two. 398 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:44,519 OPTION i Like michale bridges og annobia at. Times i've 399 00:18:44,519 --> 00:18:46,400 shown a lot of. Growth but if you're looking for 400 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,880 a reliable number two, OPTION i would argue, one The 401 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,480 knicks do not have, one and two That Karl Anthony 402 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,720 town's is the closest they come to having. One, Right 403 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:59,279 WHAT i do think is problematic moving forward long, term 404 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,039 and shout out To Nick Film Schools djzulo on this. 405 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:04,480 Week he's been all over this for a while and 406 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:07,200 it's a thought That i've had not maybe with the 407 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,160 intricacy that he. Has for sure there's a great like 408 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:11,799 What i'm getting, At so shout out to. Him Like 409 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:15,440 Conthie towns And Jalen, brunson their games compliment one, another 410 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,440 but they're just not intertwined. Enough and part of that 411 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:20,640 is the way that defenses will guard The knicks to 412 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,279 where it's When heart's on the floor with the previous starting, 413 00:19:24,319 --> 00:19:28,119 lineup you're going to have him screen because you want 414 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,400 to get the big in the action or have someone 415 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,640 For Jalen brunson at. Target the other part Is Jalen 416 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,480 brunson really does seem to operate better when he has 417 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,359 a big who once sets good, screens Which Cornthie towns 418 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,839 will not always, do and then that big will pull 419 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,559 has that gravity on the way to the basket And 420 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,599 Corinthe towns is more of a pick and pop, option 421 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,599 and so what you're doing is really shrinking the. Space 422 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,960 but even Though Coneae town's a three point, shooter, like 423 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,079 you're shrinking the space for defenses to. Defend AND i 424 00:19:56,079 --> 00:19:58,200 don't want to say they're a counterintuitive fit because they 425 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,440 think there are things that can be. Done Lank Mitchell 426 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,000 robinson is like with the both of them is kind 427 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,799 of part of it because you can theoretically get the 428 00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:07,440 best of Have Karl Anthony town's orbit and Have Mitch 429 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:10,759 robinson set. Screens but the thought That i've had is 430 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,960 stagger the ever living hell out of these. Two even, 431 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,759 more they played twenty eight minutes together In game, one 432 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,079 nineteen minutes each in games two and. THREE i know 433 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,920 you're gonna close with. THEM i know they're gonna start. 434 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,720 Together but the numbers on this mort in this series 435 00:20:25,759 --> 00:20:28,279 are kind of, wild and they basically hold true the entire. 436 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:32,279 Playoffs brunson playing Without towns against The, pacers The knicks 437 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:35,599 are a plus ten in forty two, Minutes towns Without 438 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,079 brunson a plus fifteen and thirty five. Minutes the two 439 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,559 of them together are minus twenty and sixty five. Minutes, 440 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:43,440 NOW i know a lot of that's the starting lineup's. 441 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,680 Fault they're a minus twenty nine overall in the, series but, 442 00:20:46,839 --> 00:20:50,960 like it's probably risky to stagger them like a lot 443 00:20:51,079 --> 00:20:53,680 relative to the regular season and to this. Point but 444 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,480 it's a button If I'M tims THAT i just might 445 00:20:55,559 --> 00:20:58,160 press because, one in, theory you're unlocking not just the 446 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,519 best version Of Karl Anthony, towns but i'll, say a 447 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:03,400 more intuitive version Of Jalen. Bruns and if you're kind 448 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,960 of tethering him to the one Big mitch, MINUTES i love. 449 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,559 Speaker 3: That, YEAH i, look that is something we've seen for 450 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:13,960 so many teams over the course of the. History, honestly 451 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,880 where you're, saying we want had to have a real 452 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,839 difference maker on the floor at every single point of this, 453 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,799 game and we can't rely on our primary guides to 454 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,440 play more than thirty six forty eight minutes per game because, 455 00:21:25,559 --> 00:21:28,720 look THE np is crazy now and any player averaging 456 00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:32,559 over forty minutes has blown knees basically after the end 457 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:35,359 of the. Season so, YEAH i think that is a 458 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,960 perfectly reasonable way to go about. It and, look you 459 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,799 Have mikale And, og who might be the best complimentary 460 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,000 secondary guys to the staggered. Player if you catch my, 461 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:49,960 drift like If jalen is on the floor and towns us, 462 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,400 off then you have you, Know mikail Or og for, 463 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,960 example playing Alongside. Jalen those are perfect roles for them as. 464 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,200 Well and you can flip it and, say, Well jaleen 465 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,240 goes all goes. In maybe he also has a stint 466 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:06,720 With mikail And. Ogi those guys compliment both those guys 467 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:10,279 to a wild, degree at least on a theoretical, scale 468 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:16,200 BECAUSE i will say, This mikail is just becoming, inconsistent 469 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:20,400 especially off it becoming, WELL i, KNOW i, mean, look 470 00:22:20,599 --> 00:22:23,279 one thing is the defense slip this, year and we 471 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,240 know that the shot was like in and. Out IT'S 472 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,160 i think we're reaching new lows here when it comes 473 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,559 to like the, SHOT i don't know what the hell 474 00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:35,960 it is. ANYMORE i you, know usually at least a 475 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,160 couple of years, back when he took an open three 476 00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:40,240 or an open, well he's still a good mid range, 477 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,400 Shooter i'll give him, that but like an open, THREE 478 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,039 i was, like, yeah like this probably has like a 479 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,400 solid sixty five percent chance of going in, Now i'm 480 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,319 just like anybody's. GUESS i wouldn't dare putting a bed 481 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,160 on it at, All like Will Mikle bridges make this 482 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,799 open corner three? Pointer, like, No i'm, Not i'm not 483 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,200 waiting anything on. THIS i have no. 484 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:03,039 Speaker 1: Clue, No i'm with you on. THAT i think the defense, 485 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:05,240 DEFINITELY i think picked up like towards the middle of 486 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,039 the season through the, end but the offense has Felt, 487 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,720 yeah the mid range stuff has been, there but like 488 00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:12,519 even some of the mid range stuff can get annoying 489 00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:14,559 and you've seen it come to bear and basically where 490 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:17,240 it's he's always fading away from the, rim like even 491 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,799 when he has open pathways to the. Basket but, yeah 492 00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:21,680 the three point shooting has never felt like more of 493 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,119 a wild. Card but do you know, what the it's 494 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,759 not the, problem but you know what the reality of 495 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:30,039 the situation, is that's kind of like that's a third 496 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:32,200 option on a title. Team like same with og like 497 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:34,559 not having more ball, skills being a little bit he 498 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:36,720 had a you, know he kind of ignited The knicks 499 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,039 offense at points In game, Three like that's those. Guys, 500 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,680 Yeah McHale, bridges we held Out. HOPE i was on 501 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:43,920 the train when he went To, brooke AND i was, Like, 502 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,119 yeah this guy can be a number two by the 503 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,480 end of last, year his final. Season that's, like, okay 504 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:51,880 he's probably just like better suited in that number three type. 505 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,680 Role The knicks's pecking order is such THAT i, think 506 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,839 and because they gave up so much for, him but 507 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,559 it's a fair way to look at. It you immediately 508 00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:02,359 think that he needs to be a different type of 509 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,160 offensive player than he actually. Is but like this Is 510 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,160 michale Bri, yes he needs to hit more wide open, threes, 511 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,720 RIGHT i tell you that. Much but the inconsistency is it's. 512 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:14,039 Damning but it's not just. Him it's Like Jalen brunson 513 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:17,079 probably has not had his different had to have his best. 514 00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:18,640 Game that was one of the worst Games i've ever 515 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,160 Seen Jalen brunson play in A knicks, uniform probably in 516 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,559 A maverick uniform. Too brain far passes Just indie. Had 517 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:26,920 his defense is the pressure The knicks don't know how to. 518 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,640 Handle they do not man indeed does. Not if they 519 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,240 don't want to be screened, more they're not gonna be. 520 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:36,119 Screened it's and it's, funny and Now i'm going out 521 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,440 A pacers. DETOUR i don't care because what was our 522 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,599 concern leading into the, season like do they have enough? 523 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,960 Defense is? It do they have enough size on? Defense 524 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,039 they need another premier wing. Defender and it's, Right Tyres 525 00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:49,839 holburton got, better even if incrementally on. Defense Pascal siakam 526 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,119 has always been a little bit underrated, there and Then 527 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,839 Andrew nemhar And Aaron Ei. Smith if they don't want 528 00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:56,920 to be, screened they're not gonna be. Screened this this 529 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,240 team is the pressure is. THERE i thought The knicks 530 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,200 have thrown some really bad passes. Here but that's the 531 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,519 other part of the flaw of the, roster which is 532 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,000 what concerns me when you're looking at them long, term 533 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,480 is just going this. Far let's say they beat The 534 00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:12,160 pacers or make it to A game seven or. Whatever 535 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:16,240 doesn't reinforce the wrong things here In New york because 536 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,640 this flaw isn't going. Anywhere there's stuff that we're talking. 537 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,960 About Michale bridges is, inconsistency, Staggering Karl Anthony towns And Jayalen. 538 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,359 Brunson the idea that Karlthy towns is your highest paid 539 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,160 player on those one of those thirty five percent, maxes 540 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,799 and you're sitting here, saying, well he really can't be 541 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,000 your primary big in a lot of, matches like there 542 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:37,039 need to, matchups you need to Have Mitchell robinson or 543 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:40,000 another big on the court with. Him that's. Problematic there's 544 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,160 nothing you can do about it. Now but, like that's 545 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,680 SOMETHING i think they're gonna have to look at over the. 546 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,400 Offseason we'll see how deeply they look into, it depending 547 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,720 on how this series. Ends but that inconsistency you're talking, 548 00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:53,200 about it feels, like with the exception Of Jalen, brunson 549 00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:57,160 that that is baked into THE dna of These, nicks 550 00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:01,799 and that is it's uncle, comfortable and yet here they 551 00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:02,480 are at the same. 552 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 3: TIME i have a question about that. Og right he 553 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:12,160 had that stretch was Said March april when he was 554 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:12,920 averaging just. 555 00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: Ridiculous John brunson had that ankle, injury and then og 556 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:18,000 just went, Kaboom. 557 00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah completely. Nuts. 558 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: RIGHT i wonder, it, like would it be would it 559 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,759 be worth? Exploring LIKE i, know it's never you can't 560 00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:27,839 really set it up like, oh you're now you're the 561 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,960 third option and now you're the fourth. Option but LIKE 562 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,559 i do think there is too big of a gap 563 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,799 between shot attempts From bridges To, Ananobi like would it 564 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:40,440 be interesting to go into next season and kind of 565 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,480 Empower og to take more shots and sort of Encourage 566 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:46,880 bridges to play off of those, Three, like so the 567 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,039 primary three Are, Jalen carl And og BECAUSE i would 568 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:55,240 love to see How mikhale responds to being way more 569 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,160 of a selective shooter than what he is right. 570 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:05,319 Speaker 1: Now SO i, yes it is the short. Answer the 571 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,359 long answer IS i think not so much this, series 572 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,759 but When Jalen brunson came back from that, injury anecdotally, 573 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,599 speaking it feels like we saw The knicks funnel some 574 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:19,200 of his usage Towards Og, Ananobi AND i think in 575 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,039 this series what this is a CREDIT i think to 576 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:25,480 The pacers And Pascal siakam, specifically but like they're matched 577 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:28,319 up against one, another AND i think The knicks feel, 578 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,799 better especially when you're looking at we need someone to 579 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,799 run like on the, ball especially If Josh hart isn't 580 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:36,200 going to be on the on the. Court he's just 581 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:40,000 more wired to do. That but they probably feel better About, 582 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,279 hey do we want to See og go After pascal Siakam. 583 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,559 Or we've seen a lot Of tyre's haliburt not On Michel, 584 00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:48,880 bridges and SO i think that's kind of responsible for the. 585 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,079 Series But i'm with you in the sense that do 586 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,079 you want to empower Og? MOORE i say that with 587 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,880 the caveat though of we talked about that for years 588 00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:58,720 with The, raptors AND i just think we've probably reached 589 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,759 the point where he will have nights where there's just 590 00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,640 some like wild drives and he does some hit some 591 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,480 side step. Threes that's just not him as a. Player 592 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,240 AND i think again could be another that's Not Mikail bridges. 593 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:13,480 Either like these two are really great, players and maybe 594 00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:17,480 what The knicks have done is insulated themselves against disaster 595 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,200 because so many of their key players are. Inconsistent but 596 00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:22,759 like there's just enough talent there to figure it. Out 597 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,519 it'll never be, easy but you can still maybe kind 598 00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:28,400 of game. It but that's an interesting thought as to, 599 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,279 like well there is there another level to og. Here 600 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:33,599 i'd be all for exploring. It BUT i think if 601 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,240 you asked me about McHale or Og An, andobi my 602 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,480 answer is no for both of. Them AND i think 603 00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:41,480 that's part of the reason why if they ended up 604 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:43,279 moving on From TIBs or WHEN i see people And 605 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,039 i've complained About TIBs plenty And i'm not saying he 606 00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:47,839 is the right coach for the, situation and it's the 607 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,400 series isn't. OVER i don't want me to get too 608 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,519 long term with. It BUT i don't think that this 609 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,319 roster it's core. ISSUES i don't think they're just born 610 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,119 from the matters of. 611 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: COACHING i agree with. 612 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,119 Speaker 1: That is there anything else on this anything about The? 613 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,559 Pacers the last NOTE i would have to throw to 614 00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,720 you is when you talk about, inconsistency IS i would 615 00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:08,480 like this and we saw it in? Game what was? 616 00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:08,599 Speaker 3: That? 617 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: TWO i feel like it needs to be made a 618 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,319 point to Get Pascal siakam more involved or at least 619 00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,640 like maintain a level of, involvement because he's a, weapon 620 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,359 AND i just feel like at times he's underutilized way too. 621 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,119 Much AND i don't know if that's you, know comes 622 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,599 back to the town's. DISCUSSION i want to make it 623 00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,680 clear he's nowhere near that, extreme like he's more of 624 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,039 a steadying offensive. PRESENCE i don't know if we wall 625 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,480 more On siakam or if it's just the manner in 626 00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:33,960 which they're getting him the. Ball and, look he has 627 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,599 ogn And obi on him a lot of the. Time 628 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,920 that's got a factor in but getting him those just 629 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,480 those elbows touches or like getting him any sort of 630 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,960 deep paint, touches which it feels like when they want 631 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,240 to they can almost do. It Will i'd like to 632 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,480 see them make more of an emphasis on that for 633 00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:47,960 the rest of this. 634 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: Series it's interesting you say. 635 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: That so WHEN i have Some paris to Cover spurs, 636 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,519 PACERS i had A danish colleague with me who Asked 637 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,559 Rick carlisle about like that exact question and just in 638 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,640 general terms of the regular, season like are you planning 639 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,400 to Get Pascal siaka more? Involved And carlisle was, like you, 640 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,359 know that's not the way we look at, It like 641 00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:11,319 we look at it through the flow of the, Game 642 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,440 like we're not gonna like just throw the ball to 643 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,880 a certain player just because that's. That this wasn't, verbatim 644 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,839 but like that was his larger, point AND i remember 645 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,160 sitting there, thinking you, know LIKE i understand what you're 646 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,359 trying to say, here that you want this sort of 647 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,359 equal opportunity offense still With halle as your, quarterback but 648 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,440 it might be more beneficial to you occasionally at, Least 649 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,960 so maybe just clear out some space or just kind 650 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,960 of funnel the ball towards Siak i'm just a little 651 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,200 bit more because he's he's too talented not to to produce. 652 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,599 Speaker 2: At a high level. 653 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 3: Level so, YES i would absolutely squeeze WHATEVER i can 654 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:56,440 out of him moving. Forward you, know you have to 655 00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:00,319 utilize having a point guard who is a, star who 656 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,799 isn't as shut hungry as you know a lot of 657 00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:06,720 other players in the. League having someone who's like completely 658 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:10,119 okay with seeing the ball go through the hands of other. 659 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,079 Players utilize. That that's a good. Thing that's an asset for. 660 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,440 You so if you can get more shots For, shiakam 661 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,839 who is in high efficiency score by the, way all the. 662 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,599 Speaker 2: Better, YES i would support. 663 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: That, yeah for. Sure and you mentioned the part about 664 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,960 what Brick carlo had said that's what makes The pacers 665 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,079 offense so. Dangerous but we've also seen the value of 666 00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:33,599 What siakam can, Do SO i would probably echo everything 667 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:35,960 you said right. There anything else about this SERIES i 668 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,119 would shout out just you, know some of The pacers 669 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,759 bench has not been, great but Like Ben sheppard given 670 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:44,039 him Minutes Tony bradley being dusted, off like being able, 671 00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:45,880 to like you talk about functional, depth like being able 672 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,519 to turn on a lean on those. Guys AND i 673 00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:50,039 think even with The, Knicks duce McBride's been big for 674 00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:52,440 them in this. Series and then if You're Landry shamitt 675 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:55,599 barely playing Until game three of The Eastern Conference finals 676 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,720 and coming in AND i think he really Gave he 677 00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:00,839 was kind of just like the billboard for that Entire nick's. 678 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,160 Comeback he wasn't the most important member of, it but 679 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,559 it was like he came, in gave you minutes that 680 00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:08,000 you needed at a time when you couldn't afford not 681 00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:10,200 to have, them and things took off from. There so 682 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:12,039 just shout out to like these reserves coming in and 683 00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:13,759 leaving their mark on on this type of. 684 00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:16,039 Speaker 2: Stage, YEP i, WILL i, HAD i do have. 685 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 3: Something, Finally i'm just gonna pluck some of my own 686 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,599 work to be honest with, you BECAUSE i just wrote 687 00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:24,920 about The pacers over At yahoo. Today brian Wind horst 688 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,240 reported ON espn that they're open to Keeping Miles turner. 689 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,799 Around well that open to keeping him, around because obviously 690 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:35,279 they're open to going into the luxury tax to Retain Miles. 691 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: Trup BELIEVE i see. 692 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,119 Speaker 3: It that's so that was my my, well my point 693 00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:44,079 of the piece is basically this that's only the starting. Point, 694 00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,640 like you just made back to back conference. Finals you 695 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,880 owe it to the fan base to not just Resign. 696 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,200 Miles you also have to when Aaron Ne smith is 697 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,480 up in two, years go get him a new. Deal 698 00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:59,319 like you have to actually see this. Through if The 699 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,519 pacers become a shelf themselves over the next couple of 700 00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:05,880 years because they want to save, money shame on them big. 701 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,839 Speaker 1: Time, Yeah and they're not in a position where like 702 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,960 these are Not none of these, guys with the exception Of, 703 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,960 halliburn are ever gonna be these thirty five percent max 704 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:18,519 guys and Aaron Ei. SMITH i, think, look even if 705 00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:20,640 they want to duct the tax next, year they have 706 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,400 enough room under the tax projected right now to whereas 707 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,720 you can move some money around and figure it. Out 708 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,480 The Aaron smith one's going to be interesting BECAUSE i, 709 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,559 like is he on the best contract in THE. NBA 710 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:33,079 i think you can make a case That Jalen brunson's 711 00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:35,079 on the best contract in THE, nba so he's probably 712 00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:38,440 a top five contract at worst at this, point he 713 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,000 won't sign an extension right off this. 714 00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 3: Number, no, no because the, extension even though it increased 715 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,839 to one hundred and forty percent as opposed to one 716 00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:50,640 to twenty in veteran extension, limits he's earning what Eleven 717 00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:52,480 let me just just double check AND i want to 718 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,079 sit here on the podcast and lie just want to 719 00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:56,599 make sure it get the numbers. RIGHT i think it 720 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,680 was eleven per. Year, yes it is eleven million per 721 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:03,839 year from Aaron Ne smith straight, like no. Increases so 722 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,839 in his final year twenty six twenty, seven he only 723 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,039 accounts for six point five percent of the salary, cap. 724 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,639 Speaker 2: Which is a freaking'. 725 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 3: Pargain so one hundred and forty percent of that when 726 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,320 he's looking like a full time starter at this, point 727 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:22,880 he's looking. 728 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,159 Speaker 1: Like more than. THAT i, mean he turned. Out the 729 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:25,199 shooting has been. 730 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,119 Speaker 3: Like, well What i'm saying full time, START i could 731 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,599 say high end. Starter What i'm saying like he's he's 732 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,199 not an all star level yet at, least like you 733 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,639 know WHAT i, Mean like he's not at that atmosphere 734 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,400 or stratosphere, yet but like he's still someone who's going 735 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,039 to be paid start. 736 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 1: Money, yeah and look the defense he's played On Jalen 737 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,320 Brunson's at points in the, series The knicks are barely 738 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,119 averaging a point per possession when he Defends Jalen, brunson 739 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,840 and that's Like Derek white On Jalen brunston, territory which is. 740 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 3: BONKERS i would not be surprised if the player they 741 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,639 move off on from is Actually. 742 00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 2: Mathrin you know what's. 743 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,599 Speaker 1: So weird about, that, though is one he makes so 744 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,159 little and so if you're really trying to cut into 745 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,480 your cap, Sheet Obi toppins the name THAT i think 746 00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:10,639 is brought, up AND i saw. 747 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,679 Speaker 2: SOMETHING i brought him up as. 748 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 3: Well But i'm, thinking, like because they have to Pay 749 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,920 benedict in a couple of, years or not even a couple, 750 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,679 years he's extension eligible after this, season and, like even 751 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,719 if he doesn't get an, extension then he's going to 752 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,280 go in as a restricted. Freation so he's only got 753 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,039 one year left after this, one and then he's gonna 754 00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:29,280 get paid a certain amount of, money And i'm pretty 755 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,880 sure it's gonna be higher than what he's going to 756 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,119 be on in the final year of his. Contract SO 757 00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:34,840 i think they want to get out ahead of that 758 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,480 and basically, say all, right, look we don't want to 759 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,599 trade a guy with like half a year to go 760 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,480 until he's like in restricted free. Agency at least we 761 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,639 can trade him maybe in the summer where there's like 762 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:46,760 a full season for a team to like navigate those. 763 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 1: WATERS i will, say we gets iffy about, that and 764 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,639 you deal with, it but it's, like you better be 765 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,400 sure That Ben shepherd can soak up a ton of. Minutes, 766 00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:57,519 yes otherwise you need to go out and find another 767 00:35:57,559 --> 00:35:59,960 sort of wing type. PLAYER i know benne matthis maybe 768 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,000 not the ideal, fit but he made some strides this 769 00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:05,840 year and, yeah They're, LOOK i, echo we didn't want 770 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,800 to make this about the, future but like if there 771 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,519 was ever any, doubt AND i don't think there should have, 772 00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:12,280 been that The pacers were a good, team they've put 773 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,519 it to. Bed now they could lose this series and 774 00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,840 that they're still they're still, close and The east is 775 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,079 just we don't know what's gonna happen With gianni's but 776 00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:21,639 The tatum injury In, boston you know changes are coming. There, 777 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,079 yeah it's so wide. Open look at what just happened To. 778 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:27,360 Cleveland yeah they could be maybe they're healthy through the 779 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,880 postseason next. Year but, like you don't look at them 780 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:33,400 after their three postseason. Trips you certainly don't look at 781 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,000 these knicks and, say, like, oh they're they're ready to 782 00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:37,840 run the. Tables you don't even look At milwaukee like 783 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,159 that If yannis is still. There if, Anything yanni's being 784 00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:44,760 In milwaukee kind of ensures that the wealth of competition 785 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,559 is still redistributed throughout the league because you're not creating 786 00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:51,440 a borderline superpower, elsewhere so The east is wide. OPEN 787 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,840 i don't anticipate The pacers will do anything major to 788 00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:57,320 shake this, up but They it's been really cool to 789 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,360 kind of see them confirm That, no, oh there was 790 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,880 no rush to coordinate. Them they were just They're they're 791 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,400 just really fucking. Good AND i think they're one of 792 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,519 the teams and, okay see will of course be a 793 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,199 something we look, at but they're becoming an exemplar for 794 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,400 depth matters in the. Playoffs now it feels like like 795 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,159 it really feels like it, matters and The pacers have 796 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,000 kind of been like one of the forerunners of. 797 00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 2: That, YEAH i totally. 798 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 3: Agree and by the, Way Indiana oka see that is 799 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,280 going to be basketball porn and THEN i don't care 800 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,760 about all the narratives that's gonna pop up, about, oh 801 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,519 this is gonna be a low ratings. SERIES i don't 802 00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:38,320 give a. Fuck that is going to be fantastic. Basketball 803 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,400 it could not for people who actually enjoy watching, basketball 804 00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:45,480 who actually enjoy the. Sport this is gonna be Like 805 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:47,760 Christmas eve if we get that. Finals so that's the 806 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,039 One i'm. 807 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,679 Speaker 1: Rooting and then if you're really Like I'm i'm gonna be, 808 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,199 HERE i, won't you, know subscribe to. Them but if 809 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,760 It's nick's thunder the level of, oh look at grifter 810 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,000 versus grifter AND sga Versus jalen BR i will be 811 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,960 interested to see just how that gets boiled down TO 812 00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:05,800 i won't partake in it BECAUSE i THINK i do 813 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,480 think it's. 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