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It's all happening at don't get 55 00:02:55.360 --> 00:03:00.000 pushed around dot Com. We kidoki. Now the business is 56 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.439 out of the way. Let's get down to some fun. 57 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:06.919 Baby back on the show to promote his new movie 58 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:10.960 Our friend, director writer Lely. What's going on? Man, Good 59 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:12.120 to see you again. How are you? 60 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:15.439 What's going on? Charlie's good to be on your show again. 61 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:18.360 And we got a lot of things to talk about. 62 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:21.719 This movie is a passion project of mine and it's 63 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:25.400 called a Clockwork Shining. It is on Amazon Prime and 64 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:26.759 on Apple TV. 65 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:32.800 Plus, I know something that the audience doesn't know. Because 66 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.879 I've watched this movie. You're gonna love it. It's gonna 67 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:36.960 really mess with you. 68 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:38.199 Now. 69 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:41.639 I've watched a Clockwork Orange and I've watched The Shining, 70 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.199 of course, as most of us have, and you know 71 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:48.680 that there's some weird parts to it. And as a kid, 72 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:50.400 you know when I when it first came out and 73 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:54.280 I watched these, I must confess I did not understand. 74 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:56.599 I didn't get the I didn't get all of the 75 00:03:56.680 --> 00:03:59.120 layers here, and it probably didn't get many of the layers. 76 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:01.159 To be honest with you, this is sort of a 77 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:03.000 these are movies that you need to watch a couple 78 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:04.719 of times. It seems to be a theme with the 79 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:07.360 Kubrick films, right, You kind of sort of have to 80 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:10.360 watch it and then watch it again and see if 81 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:15.000 you can decipher what he's getting into. But man, I 82 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:20.720 had no idea. I had no idea what the subtle 83 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:25.439 sort of subtext of The Shining was really about. I 84 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:28.240 probably should have now that I think about it. It's 85 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.240 one of those things you guys, you and Jay Widen 86 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:34.279 are lay out a case that is so like you 87 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:37.720 just kind of go, oh, of course this is what 88 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:40.240 it's about. Why didn't I figure this out sooner? How 89 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:42.439 did you? What were what led you to this? And 90 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:44.800 you mentioned it as a as a passion project, like 91 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:49.279 you just the Kubrick geek or Shining in particular, Like 92 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:50.279 what was it about this? 93 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:53.839 Well? I'd watched this Shining several times over and over again, 94 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:55.480 and I was like, Hey, what am I going to 95 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:58.040 find in this movie that people haven't already seen? There's 96 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:00.759 been hundreds and hundreds of the worries about what The 97 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:04.399 Shining is really about, and I'm rewatching it over and 98 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:06.439 over again and I'm like, what am I? What am 99 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:08.199 I getting here? What am I looking at? 100 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:08.399 Here? 101 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.120 Like, the movie really doesn't make a lot of sense. 102 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:13.639 Charlie the first if you've never watched it before and 103 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:15.600 it's your first time watching through it, you're like, what 104 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:18.240 is going on here? I don't really understand because there's 105 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:21.240 so many plot holes, there's so many continuity eras within 106 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:26.360 the movie. There's over seventy five continuity as in The Shining. 107 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:28.360 We would be here all day if we would just 108 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:31.279 go through, one by one all the continuity as within 109 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.759 The Shining, and no one has really ever been able 110 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:39.120 to explain why those continuity ors are there. Like Kubrick 111 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:42.560 is a master filmmaker. He is a perfectionist. He make 112 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.879 sures that everything is spot on all the time, everything 113 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:51.279 is in frame, So it's unlike him to have all 114 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:54.759 of these continuity eras in there. And I'm watching it 115 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:56.639 and watching it over and over again, and then I 116 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:59.560 find a few things that no one has ever seen before. 117 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:04.279 It's bran new for this movie, and it connects to 118 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:08.560 other things that people have seen within The Shining that 119 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:11.319 I wasn't the first person to see, but it connects 120 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:16.399 all together. And one of those really big ones was 121 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.680 that there's a Nazi swastika in the background of the 122 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:24.519 gold room whenever they Olmen is giving them a tour, 123 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:28.959 whenever Jack first shows up, and there's a swastika that's 124 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:31.240 in the background of the gold room, and I was like, oh, wow, 125 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.000 well this this relates to, you know, what other people 126 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:37.720 have seen. At the end of The Shining, when the 127 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.360 camera pans to that picture of the far away shot 128 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:42.560 and then it fades into a close up shot of 129 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.160 Jack and then it says July fourth, nineteen twenty one, 130 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:48.279 which people think that it's you know, about ghosts and reincarnation, 131 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:52.040 but it's really not. It's it's an an experiment. The 132 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:56.399 whole thing is a giant experiment that's going on up there, 133 00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:00.279 and Kubrick is not only doing it as an exam 134 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.199 on the audience, but it's also an experiment within the 135 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.439 film itself and upon the actors, which I'm sure we'll 136 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:10.399 touch upon here later on. But other people have pointed 137 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:15.319 out that when that picture fades, you can make out 138 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:19.839 a little tiny Hitler mustache on the on Jack's face, 139 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:23.600 and that also relates with you know what we believe 140 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:28.040 that The Shining is really about, and all the continuity 141 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:31.720 rors in the movie. There's so many that I that 142 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.800 we could have put in there that we just didn't 143 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:38.120 really have time for. There's things that will just disappear 144 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.959 and then reappear later in the frame. In the beginning 145 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.319 of the movie, when Allman is talking to Jack, this 146 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:46.160 is one of the most interesting parts of The Shining 147 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:49.720 because it's so unlike Qubrick to really give away what 148 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:52.480 the entire movie is about in that first ten minutes 149 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:55.319 between Alman, Bill Watson, and Jack that are sitting in 150 00:07:55.360 --> 00:08:00.839 his office before Jack gets the job, and Olmen is 151 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.680 basically explaining to Jack, like, hey, this is not a 152 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.240 physically demanding job. This is a psychological job because of 153 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.920 the isolation that people go through up here at the 154 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:12.560 Overlook Hotel. And then he goes on to explain Grady 155 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:16.079 and the things that happened with Grady. So he's telling 156 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:19.480 Jack exactly what's going to happen throughout the rest of 157 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:23.199 the movie. But it's really subtle, and there's several things 158 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:27.079 that happened during that conversation with Jack. There's continuitairs all 159 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:30.639 over the place. There's a pin that's on Almond's desk 160 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.879 that just bounces around the table throughout all the different 161 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:36.639 frames and all the cuts of the movie. There's also 162 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:40.639 a ashtray on the desk that with a cigarette butt 163 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:43.440 in it that disappears in one frame and then reappears 164 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:47.720 and then disappears again. So there's continuity errors literally all 165 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:50.399 throughout the movie, and no one has ever really been 166 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:53.919 able to explain those. And I think that we explain 167 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:58.000 the reason why perfectly in our film. Now. We don't 168 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.200 really come out and tell you, like why, We leave 169 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:03.639 it up to you to figure out why. 170 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:12.039 I liked I liked I mean, I liked the part 171 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:17.320 when you were talking about the Overlook Hotel and Lookout 172 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:20.200 Mountain and I just started, fine, I hadn't heard of 173 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:23.559 Lookout Mountain until like three years ago. And someone's like, hey, 174 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:28.799 did you know that Jared Leto bought it? And I 175 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.360 was like, what why you buy it? It's like this 176 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:34.519 crazy like compound in the Hollywood Hills. I was like, 177 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:37.720 what are you talking about? Is he starting a cult? 178 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:40.320 You know, kind of jokingly and they're like, maybe, you know, 179 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:42.840 I think so possibly he looks like a cult leader. 180 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.519 And and then you find out about it through like 181 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:50.279 the Laurel Canyon years and what was going on? Oh, 182 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.000 it has a whole history of the Laurel Canyon And 183 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:56.200 you go, well, I remember that Dave McGowan wrote about that, 184 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:00.919 and and wait a second, wasn't there some other thing 185 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:04.639 going on in Laurel Canyon that wasn't necessarily just about 186 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:07.039 a bunch of hippies making music? But there was some 187 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.200 darker components to that, involving, of course, as we know, 188 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:14.919 Charles Manson and and his his group and and and 189 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.000 what was the common denominator there? It's like, well, there's 190 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:22.240 a lot of mind control happening, Like okay, so you 191 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.039 start to wonder as you guys kind of pointed out 192 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.200 these similarities like Lookout Mountain Overlook Hotel. I don't know, 193 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:31.759 I mean there's there's are we talking about? 194 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:32.080 Uh? 195 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:34.600 Are we talking about a mind control factory? Like? What 196 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:36.720 is this place? What's going on here? 197 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.639 Yeah? That's one of the really interesting things about Lookout 198 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:45.039 Mountain because Lookout Mountain was a well, was a military base, 199 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:46.919 but there used to be a hotel that sat on 200 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.679 the exact same spot as Lookout Mountain did. And you're right, 201 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.960 Jared Letto now owns it, and he supposedly rumored to 202 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:58.399 be running some kind of quas a weird cult thing 203 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:02.039 out of it, which is rumor and speculation. I would 204 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:04.919 like to interview Jared Lettle. We actually, me and Jay 205 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:07.440 Widener we actually went up to Laurel Canyon to film 206 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:10.279 some stuff and I was like, man, we need to 207 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:12.399 get Jared leto in this film. Dude. I'm sure he 208 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.679 knows all about what this was actually being used for. 209 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:19.559 But there used to be a hotel there that looked 210 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:24.720 very similar to Stanley Kubrick's Overlook Hotel within the Shining 211 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:28.600 It's like almost verbatim what it was, and that hotel 212 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:32.200 ended up burning to the ground. And what's interesting is 213 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:36.080 that we don't have this in our movie, but in 214 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:39.879 the sequel to The Shining, which is Doctor Sleep, at 215 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.879 the end of the film, the overlook burns of the ground. 216 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:47.879 So that's another correlation between this Lookout Mountain Hotel and 217 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:54.600 the Shining movie. So whenever the hotel Lookout Mountain Hotel 218 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:57.639 burned to the ground, I was in the early nineteen hundred's, 219 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:04.399 the Air Force came in and built a studio Air 220 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:07.879 Force base right at the exact same spot where this 221 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:13.279 Lookout Mountain Hotel used to be, and several movies were 222 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:17.679 filmed there by the military. Several are still classified to 223 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.600 this very day. Nobody really knows exactly what was going 224 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:23.679 on up there. People had high ranking, top secret military 225 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:27.679 clearance for it. Ronald Reagan high clearance for it. Marilyn Monroe, 226 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:32.080 James Stewart, carry Grant, all these high up A list 227 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:37.320 actors had top secret security clearance for this military base 228 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:39.759 where they were shooting a bunch of movies. And we 229 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.200 show a lot all the footage that's in our documentary 230 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:47.240 is real footage of Lookout Mountain and you just see 231 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:51.159 them coming in with like giant like fork cliffs of 232 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.080 movie reels to go out and be processed. There were 233 00:12:55.120 --> 00:13:00.919 several recording studios there, there were several films stages. There 234 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:04.679 was a nuclear bunker there, there was a helicopter pad, 235 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:10.559 and nobody really knows exactly what was happening up there, 236 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:14.600 but we do know that that's where the miniature sets 237 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:21.799 for the atomic bomb testing videos took place. Those weren't 238 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:26.840 actual filming of you know, real atomic bombs dropping and exploding. 239 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:29.720 Several people are familiar with this, but they weren't familiar 240 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:32.440 with exactly where it was filmed. But it was filmed 241 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:35.399 to look Out mountin studios right on top of Laurel Canyon, 242 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:39.159 and several people have pointed that fact out that, well, 243 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:41.000 you know, if you have a camera that's set up 244 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:43.559 and an atomic bomb drops and it destroys the house 245 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.080 and destroys the surrounding area, then how did the camera 246 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.720 not get destroyed? I mean, several people have brought that 247 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.000 up before. It is nothing new, but for the people 248 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:55.039 that had don't know about it, I would imagine that 249 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:59.159 that's really shocking. But that was filmed that Lookout Mountain. 250 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:09.480 Yeah, we get not just the visual inconsistencies that are 251 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:12.600 unusual for a Kubrick film, but you also get the 252 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.279 symbolism that runs throughout the whole thing, which is very 253 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:22.039 indicative of a Kupert film. The hand print, the red 254 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.840 handprint on the ass of the woman that walks by, 255 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:29.200 wouldn't have meant anything to me had I noticed it, 256 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:31.440 which I didn't, But had I noticed it, it wouldn't have 257 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:36.960 meant anything to me until just recently, over the last 258 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:40.440 you know, ten years or so, where you start to 259 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:46.039 see this symbolism of you know, like Wilson the volleyball, 260 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:49.720 the red handprint, Wilson on the volleyball, the you've seen 261 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:53.039 Ellen DeGeneres where the red handprint sort of thing. There's 262 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:55.879 some sort of child trafficking component to it that I 263 00:14:55.919 --> 00:15:00.559 think is not great. And when I say the lady 264 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:03.120 with the you guys sort of brought it to the 265 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:06.279 viewers attention, I was like, first of all, you feel 266 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:08.600 kind of stupid for not recognizing it because you've you 267 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:10.679 watched the movie, you've seen it, you just maybe weren't 268 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:12.799 paying attention. It's like, Okay, how did I miss that? 269 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:16.240 But then it's like, well, why did that's a specific 270 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:19.279 thing to do. Well, she didn't just some extra on 271 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:21.159 the set didn't smack her on the ass. That was 272 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:25.639 done on purpose, knowing that Kubrick comes out of this 273 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:29.080 world or has interaction with this world. What do we 274 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:30.080 make of that handprint? 275 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:34.159 Yeah, that was one of the things that I seen 276 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:40.559 that I seen before events, and I was really the 277 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:45.919 first thing a couple of years ago, whenever I brought 278 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:48.399 him on the show, before we even decided to make 279 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:50.799 this document, and I was like, hey, I was watching 280 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.320 this movie and there's a lady. Whenever Jack is in 281 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:54.919 the Gold Roup and he stands up, he takes an 282 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.120 alcoholic drink from Lloyd the bartender. The second time when 283 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:01.159 the party is going on, he stands up and there's 284 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:04.759 lady that walks right behind him, and she's actually the 285 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:08.879 one that bumps into Grady to make Grady spill the 286 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:13.799 alcohol on Jack. And she has a hanmdprint on her ass. 287 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:17.600 Now people have contested this and said that it's not 288 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:19.720 really a handprint, that it's a part of the dress. 289 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:23.080 But regardless if it's not really a handprint or if 290 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:24.600 it's a part of the dress, it still looks like 291 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:27.759 a handprint, So regardless if Kubrick actually made it a 292 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:29.679 part of the dress, or the costume designer made it 293 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:31.720 a part of the dress, or if it's actually a handprint, 294 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:35.519 it looks and identifies like a handprint. And it's very 295 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:40.720 similar to Wilson on the on the volleyball as well, 296 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:46.080 And that kind of relates to this the sexual undertones 297 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:48.679 of the Shining because there's a lot of them in there. 298 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:52.039 There's a lot of sexual tension between Jack and Danny 299 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.320 within the movie. It's kind of theorized that it was 300 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:00.559 not even theorized, but Jack has abused Danny in the past. 301 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.279 We have it in the movie where Wendy is talking 302 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.319 to the doctor in the very beginning of the movie 303 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:08.839 and the doctor is essentially like, well, when did he 304 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.839 first start having these visions, these psychic abilities, And she's like, well, 305 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:16.160 it was pretty soon after he broke his arm. And 306 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:18.519 the doctor was like, well, how did he break his arm? 307 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:21.359 And she was like, oh, well, Jack came home late 308 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.559 one night, he was drunk and Danny has thrown all 309 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:26.200 of his papers all over through the house. So he 310 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:28.319 yanked him up, pulled him up by his arm really hard, 311 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:35.440 and broke his arm, and then later on when Jack, Well, 312 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.160 the weird thing about that is that Whindy says, I believe, 313 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:42.400 she says five months ago, this happened, right, But whenever 314 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:46.519 Jack is talking to Lloyd at the at the bar, 315 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:50.000 he says that it was two years ago. So that's 316 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:56.119 another really weird continuity in there. Wendy says that it 317 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.960 was months ago, and Jack when he's confessing to Lloyd 318 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:01.200 that he broke Danny's arm, it was two years ago. 319 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:05.000 So it's uh. But there's a lot of sexual winding 320 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:07.039 window in the shining as well. The things that j 321 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.720 Jay has pointed out before in his earlier movies, which 322 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:14.920 is also in our movie, is whenever Jack first goes 323 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:17.839 in to meet Almond and shake his hand, there's a 324 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.519 clipboard on the table that makes it look like Olman 325 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:25.240 has a hard on towards Jack. Later on, whenever Danny, 326 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:28.160 Danny and Windy is sitting at a table in their 327 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:31.319 apartment room in the hotel, there's a fire truck in 328 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:35.319 the background that has the ladder of the fire truck 329 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:40.359 like giving the Teddy Bear an erection, which I didn't 330 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:43.000 even realize until I was rewatching it and going back 331 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:46.240 and uh, you know, trying to find some of these 332 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:49.680 photos to you know, use for promotion and like you know, 333 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.359 take screenshots and put you know, the arrows in the 334 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:55.160 circles to put things together so people get a good 335 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:57.880 idea so that they'll you know, go and watch the film. 336 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:01.359 But after that scene scene where the fire truck is 337 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:03.680 and the latter is sticking up from the teddy Bear, 338 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:05.880 which is symbolizing you know, the teddy bear is getting 339 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:09.759 a hard on, that the bat that Wendy uses is 340 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:13.160 also right beside the teddy Bear, and she actually gets 341 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:16.559 up and go goes and grabs the bat off of 342 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:18.920 the couch. And then the next scene is whenever she's 343 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:21.160 going down with the bat, and the famous scene where 344 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.480 she walks in on Jack and sees that he's not 345 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.480 really writing a book. He's just writing the same sentence 346 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.119 over and over. And I hadn't seen that before, which 347 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.680 is so interesting, Charlie, because every time you watch this 348 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:38.559 freaking movie, dude, it's like you find something different. And 349 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:41.000 it's been watched so many times, so many people have 350 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:44.519 had many different theories. But I really think that the 351 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:48.400 theory that we present in this movie is correct theory 352 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:52.519 and it is very difficult and hard to argue with 353 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:54.960 once you see how everything is laid out. 354 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:59.000 Yeah, we brought in somebody who has some unfortunate experience 355 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:06.200 with ritualistic abuse. Kathy O'Brien came on to the film 356 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:11.400 and explained her situation. I just had an interview with 357 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:14.920 a woman named Annelie who I was connected with through 358 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.799 Rich Willett over at Iconic and she's an MK ultra survivor, 359 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:22.680 and she tells a story of how she was trafficked 360 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.519 and where she was trafficked and how that went. It 361 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:31.400 lines it pretty comparably with what Kathy O'Brien talks about. 362 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:35.440 How what was that relationship like working with her on this. 363 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.559 Well, I had her on my show several times in 364 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:42.160 the past. We had become pretty good friends, and I 365 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:45.319 was like, hey, I would really like you to be 366 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:47.839 in this movie because I've been planning on making this 367 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:52.440 movie for a really long time now, and we decided 368 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:55.359 to do jfk X first so we could really cut 369 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:58.079 our teeth on something else and then we would be 370 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:00.880 able to do this one. Because this required a lot 371 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:04.720 of travel and uh more money for the production. As 372 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:07.079 you see, because there's several people in this movie you 373 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:07.559 got Me. 374 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:10.279 It's well done, by the way, it's it's really well done. 375 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:11.839 You guys did a good, great job with it, So 376 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:13.640 I encourage people to check it out. 377 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:13.920 People. 378 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:20.079 Mark Devlin's Mark Devlin, So he got on my radar. 379 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:23.680 In twenty nineteen, I saw him in an Arkapolco. He 380 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:26.680 did a presentation called No More Heroes. I watched that 381 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:33.160 with only Damna Guard. We were like, we like made like, Okay, 382 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:35.400 we're gonna go to this for sure, We've got to 383 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:37.279 watch it. And we gave him a half an hour. 384 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:41.079 He needed like three hours to unpack all his stuff 385 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.480 I had. Then he DJed the parties at Night too, 386 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.319 which was great. So we got to see his presentation 387 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:51.559 on all the rock stars and their ties to intelligence, 388 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:53.720 which will blow your mind. And I've had him on 389 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.319 the show before to talk about that's fantastic. Then we 390 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:58.680 got a chance to see what his His other job 391 00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:04.160 is is a it's always been a DJ. So great 392 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:06.400 to see him make an appearance in this film as well, 393 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:12.480 because if anyone would know the overlap between government secret 394 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:15.559 programs and Hollywood, it would be Mark Devlin. 395 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:22.640 Right. Absolutely, Mark was fantastic. He's super articulate, and he 396 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:26.000 hit a home run in our movie. I think that 397 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:29.519 it's one fantastic and that's one of the things that 398 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:31.920 really shocked me. Even as I was making it. Charlie, 399 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:35.799 I was like sitting there and he's because we did 400 00:22:35.799 --> 00:22:38.680 a really long interview with him, and I'm going through 401 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:40.480