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Speaker 2: Each time we've gone to break today, of course, like
Speaker 2: I always do, go to social media to see if
Speaker 2: there's anything that has developed throughout the show that we
Speaker 2: need to talk about, you know, some breaking news, some
Speaker 2: interesting news, something that you know should be discussed on
Speaker 2: a show like this. And really each time I've noticed
Speaker 2: more and more I guess plans to get ready for
Speaker 2: this winter storm that's that's heading our way. At least
Speaker 2: that's what they're expecting.
Speaker 3: So it's not supposed to be freezing in like ice
Speaker 3: like it was a month ago.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: I don't even think it's gonna get cold enough to
Speaker 2: where it's below freezing, okay, but that could still cause
Speaker 2: some issues, right right, So that's what I guess we
Speaker 2: need to be prepared for. But the real issue with
Speaker 2: that seemingly two to three week pain in the ass
Speaker 2: that we had with the last winter storm was because
Speaker 2: we just weren't consistently getting warmer weather to melt it
Speaker 2: all away. But yeah, it looks like there's some I
Speaker 2: mean I haven't seen any school closings just yet, but
Speaker 2: it wouldn't shock me by the time we get out
Speaker 2: of here we find out that they have either done school,
Speaker 2: they've done INTI, or maybe they are going ahead and
Speaker 2: canceling it because you know it would make sense and
Speaker 2: for what it's worth, last time, I don't think they
Speaker 2: could have got it any more correct. As far as
Speaker 2: I don't think they could have been more accurate when
Speaker 2: it comes to how they predicted what would happen in
Speaker 2: early January. Because what they were anticipating every bit, even
Speaker 2: down to like the exact amount of snow we were
Speaker 2: going to get, I think they were spot on. So
Speaker 2: given the recency, I guess I'm gonna trust them that
Speaker 2: it's going to be potentially sloppy. And again I'm usually
Speaker 2: light snow and winter weather because I'm weird like that.
Speaker 2: But we got enough in January to where if we
Speaker 2: didn't get and the warm weather got here sooner rather
Speaker 2: than later and stayed, I'd be very very happy. Speaking
Speaker 2: of very very happy, I was very very happy last
Speaker 2: night because the result in the Super Bowl was exactly
Speaker 2: what I wanted, a Chief's loss, and I got not
Speaker 2: only that, I got.
Speaker 5: Them blown out.
Speaker 2: In fact, the game was nowhere near as close as
Speaker 2: the final score. They were down forty to six at
Speaker 2: one point, and it was really just exactly what you
Speaker 2: want as someone like myself who is a full fledged
Speaker 2: hater of the Chiefs in every way I don't want
Speaker 2: to be. I feel like it's bad energy just to
Speaker 2: hate them because they're great. But as soon as that
Speaker 2: thing kicked off and they started, you know, getting killed,
Speaker 2: it was pretty early they were in trouble, and I
Speaker 2: loved it. You'd throw in the fact that Mahomes was
Speaker 2: brutal and his stat line actually makes it look like
Speaker 2: he played better than he actually did. You had Travis
Speaker 2: Kelce crying after the game, give me those tears.
Speaker 5: Loved it.
Speaker 2: Taylor's Jaylor Swift got booed, and I felt awful for
Speaker 2: really enjoying that too. So as a full fledged hater,
Speaker 2: we got. We got a full course meal, if you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Absolute, and I'm happy. Besides, that's right,
Speaker 2: I'm happy for the Eagles more so, I guess Jalen
Speaker 2: hurts than anything, just because I think that guy has
Speaker 2: been I mean, he's been phenomenal in the NFL.
Speaker 5: Not to say that he's gotten.
Speaker 2: Better stats or that he's a more talented player than
Speaker 2: other guys who you know that are really really young
Speaker 2: and talented, right, Like, he's not Joe Burrow, he's not
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, he's not Pat Mahomes, he's not Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: but he's but he's really good and he wins. And
Speaker 2: I just feel like when you say this out loud
Speaker 2: to people, if they didn't already know this, they'll probably
Speaker 2: first instinct is to question you and say that can
Speaker 2: be right. But it's right, it's true, and it's this.
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts has as many playoff wins, has as many
Speaker 2: Super Bowl appearances, and has as many Super Bowl wins
Speaker 2: and his first four years a starter that Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: had in his first four years as a starter. And
Speaker 2: just like Mahomes, doesn't look to he's slowing down anytime soon,
Speaker 2: or at least I don't think he does. I think
Speaker 2: you can say the same thing for Jalen Hurts. He
Speaker 2: didn't just get here one time off of a flute
Speaker 2: run in the playoffs. He's been good for years now.
Speaker 2: They added Barkley and that clearly was a big, big factor.
Speaker 2: He was the leading rusher in the NFL this year,
Speaker 2: first time a leading rusher in the NFL, was a
Speaker 2: part of a Super Bowl winning team since Terrell Davis
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight. So yes, the defense was really
Speaker 2: the biggest factor in last night's beat down.
Speaker 5: Vic Fangio. Hell of a job.
Speaker 2: I mean, the organization that the Eagles have from top
Speaker 2: to bottom is impressive. I mean, they win and Howie
Speaker 2: Roseman is that his name, that's the GM right. I mean,
Speaker 2: they's been nailing draft picks the last four years. They
Speaker 2: got a good formula going.
Speaker 5: Fangio with his front four.
Speaker 3: It's just all everywhere Fangio goes, it just seems like
Speaker 3: he's gonna have a killer defensive line. They didn't even
Speaker 3: have the blitz yesterday. They were just getting to Patrick
Speaker 3: Mahomes with four people, I mean, and Mahomes looked terrible.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Wheels flustered.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the defense was clearly a big factor in that,
Speaker 2: but also he just was rattled. And a guy that's
Speaker 2: known for being mister cool it could always get it
Speaker 2: done and clutch and doesn't get too too overwhelmed by
Speaker 2: the big moment. I mean he throughout the entire game,
Speaker 2: he never was comfortable. And again, I think more than anything,
Speaker 2: it's because that defense was so elite and they really
Speaker 2: were all year. So the Eagles, again, they've got a
Speaker 2: good formula working. They've been drafting really well, as Austin mentioned,
Speaker 2: and they got the pieces to I mean, they've got
Speaker 2: not only the pieces to win, like they're winning right now,
Speaker 2: but they could keep this thing going.
Speaker 3: Well, do you feel for a Super Bowl? I know
Speaker 3: you're extreme haterism of the Chiefs, Like do you feel
Speaker 3: at all like underwhelmed by like the game? And just
Speaker 3: let's just say the last week, I feel like this
Speaker 3: was a very underwhelming super Bowl. It's been a fun season.
Speaker 3: You've had stories everywhere, of course with Jadeen Daniels, hell
Speaker 3: I'll be a Homer here, the comeback of Sam Darnold
Speaker 3: and how well he did, the fall of the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers, how that's been going on, and it just
Speaker 3: kind of ends up like that. I Mean, there wasn't
Speaker 3: a lot even in radio row last week leading up
Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: There wasn't like that many stories.
Speaker 3: There was nothing like, oh, this guy needs to get
Speaker 3: a super Bowl to cement his legacy. The three peete
Speaker 3: like okay, I guess, but even losing that, like did
Speaker 3: nothing for Mahomes or went against Andy Reid or anything
Speaker 3: like that. The biggest thing that came out of the
Speaker 3: radio row last week was was Miles was Miles was
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett that wow? And that's and Jameis Winston having
Speaker 3: fun and just like begging for a job every person
Speaker 3: that he talked to Like. Other than that, it wasn't
Speaker 3: like it was just.
Speaker 5: Kind of like, meth, do you want me to take
Speaker 5: it even further? Yeah, I can go deeper.
Speaker 2: I think exactly what you. I agree with everything you said.
Speaker 2: But I didn't feel as underwhell because the overall result
Speaker 2: of the Chiefs getting blown out was so satisfying that
Speaker 2: I feel like, hey, I'll take it. That was pretty good. Now,
Speaker 2: what I was going to say taking it a step
Speaker 2: further is I think not just the NFL Super Bowl
Speaker 2: lead up in the game itself was kind of a dud.
Speaker 2: I think the NFL didn't have a good season overall.
Speaker 2: I mean interesting, I mean, I think, I mean this
Speaker 2: was said last night by Tommy Smokes, who is a
Speaker 2: barstool blogger, and he's getting crushed for it. But I
Speaker 2: totally read it and I agreed. Awful game to end
Speaker 2: what was a pretty bad season of football. Has to
Speaker 2: be the worst season in the NFL in a long time,
Speaker 2: no real juice, And I agree. But what happens is
Speaker 2: people think that means like that someone is claiming the
Speaker 2: NFL is in trouble. The NFL is never going to
Speaker 2: be in trouble. People are going to always watch it.
Speaker 2: There's nothing that they could do to where they would
Speaker 2: be in trouble as far as like losing money or
Speaker 2: declining in you know. I mean, they're dominant, They're always
Speaker 2: going to be. But I think that I just don't
Speaker 2: feel like this season had much life to.
Speaker 5: It, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, you had the Chiefs continue to be really good,
Speaker 2: and even though people are tired of the Chiefs, I
Speaker 2: think this year they were as good as they were,
Speaker 2: as good as you can be other than, of course,
Speaker 2: you know, going undefeated. But like they didn't look great
Speaker 2: doing it, right, they weren't. I mean, if you look
Speaker 2: at the numbers on the Chiefs this year, like Mahomes
Speaker 2: was pretty blah, which that's okay, but everywhere else, I mean,
Speaker 2: the Bills were a big story.
Speaker 5: And dare I say, but.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how to say this without
Speaker 2: feeling like I'm going to get attacked. But when you
Speaker 2: have a guy like Lamar who is the best player
Speaker 2: in the league and is exceeding what he's done already
Speaker 2: in two seasons that resulted in him being the MVP winner,
Speaker 2: and then he's just not a factor at all in
Speaker 2: your postseason. Again, it's not good for the NFL. Sure,
Speaker 2: I mean that makes sense. Like, I mean another team who.
Speaker 5: Was a great story, great story.
Speaker 3: The Lions. Yeah, they got humbled. I mean that kind
Speaker 3: of I think what kind of ran out of gas
Speaker 3: after in there. I mean they had like seventeen players
Speaker 3: out on defense.
Speaker 2: Look, I'll say this, in college basketball, we love Cinderella
Speaker 2: until we wake up the next morning and realize she
Speaker 2: was like a five right right, like the first this
Speaker 2: is I mean, hear me out here.
Speaker 3: Maybe I had a little too much last night.
Speaker 2: You love to root for Sister Jean and the Cinderellas
Speaker 2: because it's what makes college basketball great, those kind of upsets,
Speaker 2: and it's so intoxicating when they win one and you're like,
Speaker 2: how the hell that happened?
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Saint Peter's knocked off Kentucky And then it's like you're
Speaker 2: on a bender because they messed around in one in
Speaker 2: the second round and made it to the sweet sixteen,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, this is what makes college basketball great.
Speaker 2: You got teams who nobody ever would give a chance,
Speaker 2: and they get here to the big dance and they
Speaker 2: dance on and then like you get to the sweet
Speaker 2: sixteen lead up and it's waking up the next morning
Speaker 2: and realizing, damn, I was really drunk.
Speaker 5: This is this is lame. I don't call you ever.
Speaker 5: I don't want yeah, you get her out of there.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see you know that kind of
Speaker 2: team Loyola Chicago Saint Peter's in the sweet sixteen because
Speaker 2: we don't really care about them. We just get intoxicated
Speaker 2: by the first weekend at the party when everybody's there
Speaker 2: and man, what do you know, This nobody team is
Speaker 2: riding some momentum. So I've always said that in sports,
Speaker 2: upsets are fun.
Speaker 5: That's what you know. Upsets are healthy for sports.
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is it keeps everybody
Speaker 2: aware that it could happen to you. But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, you don't want to sacrifice a
Speaker 2: bunch of upsets because when you get later on into
Speaker 2: your tournaments, your postseason, whatever it may be in CAA
Speaker 2: tournament playoffs, the later you get there and the more
Speaker 2: upsets that have happened along the way, you're gonna feel
Speaker 2: less fulfilled because you feel like it's whatever right now.
Speaker 2: The teams that played in the Super Bowl, the Eagles
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs, they were absolutely two of the best teams.
Speaker 5: But everybody's tired of the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: There's really not a whole lot you can add to
Speaker 2: their story other than what it currently is. The Eagles,
Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of feel like they were I
Speaker 2: don't know why they were kind of not They weren't underrated,
Speaker 2: they weren't underappreciated, I don't think, but it just they
Speaker 2: nobody talked about them for odd reasons.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe because they did win early and they did. I mean,
Speaker 2: these two teams win a lot of games, clearly one
Speaker 2: when it mattered and got all the way to the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. But I think they both were similar for
Speaker 2: a good stretch of the season. When they would win,
Speaker 2: they didn't look impressive, and they wouldn't win by a
Speaker 2: whole lot against teams that you knew stunk like. The
Speaker 2: Eagles barely got by the Bears, who were a mess.
Speaker 2: So I don't think the NFL is in trouble. I'm
Speaker 2: not anti NFL. I'm gonna watch and love the NFL
Speaker 2: as long as I live, I'm sure, But I don't
Speaker 2: think it's like some crazy hot take to kind of
Speaker 2: just look at the season overall and say, yeah, it
Speaker 2: wasn't as it wasn't as fun of a ride as
Speaker 2: maybe we're used to it. Again, I think some of
Speaker 2: those factors I just laid out are a reason for that. Again,
Speaker 2: I think when you've got good storylines and you've got
Speaker 2: good teams that I mean, the Lions being good is weird, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: and then they just kind of fell and they fell
Speaker 2: flat and got beat by a really really you know,
Speaker 2: good young quarterback and that was a good story. But
Speaker 2: then you know, they got upset or they got beat
Speaker 2: and then you know, so again, I don't think that's
Speaker 2: a crazy thing that they're there.
Speaker 5: But I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I think not only was the super Bowl lead up
Speaker 2: just kind of man, I think the whole season kind
Speaker 2: of felt like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2: Now back to Jailen hurts really quickly because I just
Speaker 2: I think what you see in sports all the time.
Speaker 2: That probably irritates some people, And I understand why is
Speaker 2: this delusion that certain athletes have that they're being doubted,
Speaker 2: that they've got haters, that everybody's against us, us against
Speaker 2: the world, Because you know, it's sometimes it's just insane.
Speaker 5: Like Kirby Smart.
Speaker 2: I don't remember who it was, but he did a
Speaker 2: phenomenal job when Georgia went back to back national championships
Speaker 2: because his team truly believed that people thought they weren't good,
Speaker 2: when all anybody did was talk about how it's insanely unfair,
Speaker 2: how loaded they are. And you had a guy after
Speaker 2: the game as he's putting on the celebratory cap that
Speaker 2: they make for Georgia winning the national championship, and the
Speaker 2: first thing he says to the camera was they say
Speaker 2: we were going to go seven and five. You won't
Speaker 2: find a soul on this earth that thought Georgia football
Speaker 2: that year, coming off a national champampionship, was gonna go
Speaker 2: seven to five. So again, it's ridiculous. But whatever way
Speaker 2: you can, you can get an edge, right, whatever you
Speaker 2: got to do to keep your players motivated, and it
Speaker 2: gets harder to do the better that you are so
Speaker 2: there's a lot of silly things out there that these
Speaker 2: guys believe in order to keep them always having that edge,
Speaker 2: that chip on the shoulder. One to prove people wrong
Speaker 2: to where they don't feel too comfortable is if they've
Speaker 2: already like even even if they've already proven that they
Speaker 2: are elite and nobody's doubting them, they got to find
Speaker 2: a way mentally to get to a spot where they
Speaker 2: feel like they got to really deliver because nobody's believing
Speaker 2: in them. I mean, Michael Jordan was great at that.
Speaker 2: I mean that's I think what quite literally make Jordan
Speaker 2: what he was is he was the ultimate competitor. And
Speaker 2: I mean he would he would play out stuff to
Speaker 2: the media that wasn't true that he used to get
Speaker 2: himself motivated, and yet he would talk about it and
Speaker 2: maybe he did it so he knew that the writers
Speaker 2: would put it out there and then it would like
Speaker 2: be him speaking it into existence that he does have haters.
Speaker 2: It was really interesting to see that in the Last
Speaker 2: Ride documentary, how Jordan was able to do that. So
Speaker 2: what I'm getting at is it's nonsense a lot of times,
Speaker 2: but Jalen Hurts is somebody that can actually say that
Speaker 2: he can tell you that he's got a level of
Speaker 2: satisfaction after winning his first Super Bowl last night, because
Speaker 2: throughout his entire journey, he's not some rags the richest story,
Speaker 2: but he has absolutely been doubted at every turn. At
Speaker 2: Alabama as a starting quarterback, he was good. They were winning,
Speaker 2: but you know, he wasn't a flashy guy. At that point.
Speaker 2: It was still Nick Saban winning because he could get
Speaker 2: any player he wanted. He had a phenomenal defense, and
Speaker 2: he didn't really need his quarterback to do a whole lot. Well,
Speaker 2: then the game changed a little bit and he brought
Speaker 2: into a tugovaloa. Jalen Hurts got bench to the National
Speaker 2: Championship game, and I mean, at that point, let's go,
Speaker 2: let's go back in time. Hard to do but that
Speaker 2: and that was many years ago, but Jalen Hurts getting
Speaker 2: benched Alabama. Would anybody have been shocked if I told
Speaker 2: you that night that that would be what you think
Speaker 2: of when you think of him in twenty years, a
Speaker 2: guy that was good quarterback. Maybe he did end up
Speaker 2: transferring elsewhere and he was fine, but like, it's crazy,
Speaker 2: unheard of for a guy who is the starting quarterback
Speaker 2: who has already i think, taken his team to a
Speaker 2: national championship before that. Getting binged in the national championship game,
Speaker 2: that's unheard of. Well Saban did it. And what even
Speaker 2: became more unheard of is to see how well Jalen
Speaker 2: Hurts handled that with maturity. The next year, he was
Speaker 2: co quarterback, but he didn't start. He got binged, He
Speaker 2: got left behind for Tuatugabaloa.
Speaker 5: So what does he do?
Speaker 2: Goes to Oklahoma, puts up insane numbers, Heisman candidate, takes
Speaker 2: Oklahoma to the playoff and just when you thought maybe
Speaker 2: that was the moment where he has proven that he's
Speaker 2: a really good quarterback regardless of the situation. No, everybody said,
Speaker 2: that's just a product of Lincoln Riley. Look at what
Speaker 2: Baker did, look at what Kyler did. They just said, well,
Speaker 2: it's any quarterback can go do that for him. He's
Speaker 2: not that great. He got some draft love, but nobody
Speaker 2: thought he'd be drafted in the second round, right, But
Speaker 2: he did.
Speaker 5: He got drafted in the second round by the Eagles.
Speaker 2: They hated the pick. They lost their mind on social media.
Speaker 2: At every turn, this guy's been able to actually say
Speaker 2: he was doubted and that people didn't think he was
Speaker 2: good enough, and at every chance he's been given since
Speaker 2: those things have happened, he has proven people wrong. He
Speaker 2: already did it just by getting to the super Bowl
Speaker 2: and being a good quarterback already, but to win it
Speaker 2: this year and to now be able to say that
Speaker 2: again four years as a full time starter, he has
Speaker 2: the same exact super Bowl ring. He has the same
Speaker 2: amount of super Bowl appearances, super Bowl wins, and playoff
Speaker 2: wins as Mahomes did in his first four years. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's pretty impressive and I don't think he's going to
Speaker 2: be slowing down anytime soon. So that's one of the
Speaker 2: favorite My favorite things about sports still is that like
Speaker 2: those kind of stories, they're still out there and I
Speaker 2: just don't know, it's motive. It motivates me somebody who
Speaker 2: you know, is able to prove people wrong.
Speaker 5: And rare can you rarely can you even be.
Speaker 2: In the NFL at that level, really at that position
Speaker 2: and be able to claim there are genuine doubters of you. Well,
Speaker 2: there were, there's no doubt about it, and he's been
Speaker 2: able to overcome that, and I just think that's awesome
Speaker 2: to see he's a good leader and he's a good
Speaker 2: player too. That's pretty obvious, right quick break. We'll come
Speaker 2: back on the other side. A lot more to get
Speaker 2: into before we get out of here for the weekend,
Speaker 2: but for the evening. Maybe if it snows a lot,
Speaker 2: we won't be back for a while, but hopefully doesn't
Speaker 2: get too bad.
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Speaker 2: Day, thank you, Austin, I just realized what you did there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you, Thank you appreciate that. So, like always on Mondays,
Speaker 2: there's lots of reaction from the weekend, and sometimes we
Speaker 2: don't have enough time or at least I don't balance
Speaker 2: well enough to get as much in, get into as
Speaker 2: much as we need to. But we'll probably get to tomorrow.
Speaker 2: It's not a tom sensitive thing. Rick Patino, giving a
Speaker 2: message via video to the two thousand and five Final
Speaker 2: four team at the UM Center on Saturday, was I mean, look.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's probably part of the healing process.
Speaker 2: As far as the whole Rick stuff, I mean, we
Speaker 2: can get into it tomorrow, because it's certainly a little complicated.
Speaker 2: But I know fans maybe if they didn't even want
Speaker 2: to feel any way, seeing Rick talk about that team
Speaker 2: and hearing him talk about Louisville fans, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: sure some of you probably say the hell with him,
Speaker 2: and it's fine. Everybody can do whatever you want, feel
Speaker 2: however you want to feel. But I know for me,
Speaker 2: I mean, he coached here longer than anybody throughout my life,
Speaker 2: and clearly the good times that I had that I
Speaker 2: remember as a Louisville basketball fan, nearly all of them
Speaker 2: were with him. So I just think it's kind of
Speaker 2: weird to just all of a sudden be anti the
Speaker 2: guy who was a big factor in that success. But
Speaker 2: we'll get into that a little bit more tomorrow. Also,
Speaker 2: something I wanted to mention really quickly here for those
Speaker 2: just now joining us. Pat Kelsey did talk earlier today
Speaker 2: and on the AEC teleconference, saying that still no update
Speaker 2: on Chucky. It's still a day to day, game time
Speaker 2: decision type situation. With James Scott, he had had to
Speaker 2: have some dental work done, but he is it sounds
Speaker 2: like he's gonna be ready to play on Wednesday, which
Speaker 2: is good news. But let's to the phone lines foot two.
Speaker 2: If you want to give us a call, we'll go
Speaker 2: to Jerry. Jerry, what's happening, Hey, Nick?
Speaker 4: About the football game last night, I echo your comments.
Speaker 4: I loved it, and I loved it even more because
Speaker 4: of my homes turnovers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, here's a real factor on there, Doug.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and the fumble. I loved it all man.
Speaker 4: I mean, so you know that, Uh, the fact that
Speaker 4: he's in the FC. I'm a Lamar guy. I'm a
Speaker 4: Ravens fan because of Lamar, et cetera. So I love
Speaker 4: that being a Card fan.
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 4: I work with a lot of IU fans and so
Speaker 4: it's it's interesting. I think they want well, that's that's
Speaker 4: where That's where I'm going. So you know, I you fans.
Speaker 4: I think they they they harbor a little animosity because
Speaker 4: we won it in thirteen and they thought they had
Speaker 4: the team to win it, but Tom Crean couldn't solve
Speaker 4: the Syracuse two three zone and the rest is history.
Speaker 4: So I think that was a spur in their butt.
Speaker 4: But then then they look at Kelsey. Now he's young,
Speaker 4: he's energetic, he's knocking it out of the park, and
Speaker 4: they I think they've got a real hard case of
Speaker 4: coaches envy, even though I don't think they take Kentucky okay.
Speaker 4: But but here's where I'm going as a fan, as
Speaker 4: a basketball fan. I love the banter. I love the
Speaker 4: the the suspense, I love the anticipation, and I love
Speaker 4: the domino effect of this coaching search at IU Okay.
Speaker 4: I can't read enough about it. A buddy of mine
Speaker 4: sent me an article today that you need to look up.
Speaker 4: It's by Greg Doyle from The Indie Star, and he
Speaker 4: and and in the art. It's a very good article,
Speaker 4: and he touts a guy and I'll tell you who
Speaker 4: it is in a second, but he takes a swing
Speaker 4: at four coaches. Three not really a big surprise, Bruce Pearl,
Speaker 4: NATO's Chris Beard. He takes a swing at all of
Speaker 4: them for their misdeeds throughout, and he says, you know,
Speaker 4: I used not hiring Chris Beard, blah blah blah and
Speaker 4: all this stuff. But the one he took a swing
Speaker 4: at that shocked me was Scott Drew. And evidently they
Speaker 4: have a history. Greg Dole and Scott Drew over a
Speaker 4: guy named Hannah para, I know all about it, okay,
Speaker 4: So in that I didn't realize this, or if I did,
Speaker 4: I'd forgotten about it. In that situation, they got him
Speaker 4: over here, they got him settled, they got him in school,
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. But once he got here, he wanted
Speaker 4: to make up his own mind and where he went
Speaker 4: to college. And they told him they was going to
Speaker 4: have him deported.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, were you.
Speaker 4: Aware of that?
Speaker 2: So let me tell you this, Jerry. This is coming
Speaker 2: full circle, my man, because do you remember there was
Speaker 2: a coach that I was really, really really high on
Speaker 2: that Louisville didn't hire, and so far it looks like
Speaker 2: I was wrong, Jerome Tang. So you remember when people
Speaker 2: would say that Jerome Tang, there's just something connected to him,
Speaker 2: There's something attached to him, something that's going to come
Speaker 2: up on the background.
Speaker 5: That was it?
Speaker 2: There was that he was He was accused of being
Speaker 2: the coach for Drew. That was I guess making those
Speaker 2: kind of threats about having him deported. He defended himself
Speaker 2: and I you know, he claims that there's there's no
Speaker 2: scenario anybody would ever be able to accurately put him
Speaker 2: involved in any of that kind of stuff. But yes,
Speaker 2: i'd heard that that was a big deal at the time,
Speaker 2: that this young man who came over then decided he
Speaker 2: may want to visit some other schools, and they threatened
Speaker 2: to deport him if if if he if he didn't.
Speaker 2: And I don't know which coach it was, or really
Speaker 2: how true any of it actually is, but I do
Speaker 2: remember that story, and I didn't want to go there
Speaker 2: last year with Tang because I just didn't want to
Speaker 2: put it out there and and you know, who knows
Speaker 2: if people would think it's real, But that was that's
Speaker 2: what people were insinuating that would come up on Jerome
Speaker 2: Tank's background, that he was the assistant for Drew that
Speaker 2: did that.
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting that both Kentucky and Louisville took a
Speaker 4: swing at him. But this guy, I mean, Greg Doyle,
Speaker 4: you know, he's been he's been at the Indie Star
Speaker 4: for a long time. And I don't know anything about
Speaker 4: the guy other that he reports on IU a lot.
Speaker 4: But but he takes a hard swing and and they
Speaker 4: got into it so hard. In the article, he says
Speaker 4: he hung up on Scott Drew, like, you know, like
Speaker 4: he was done with him at that point. But the
Speaker 4: guy that he coups is sort of a shocker to
Speaker 4: me and a little bit he's hot right now is
Speaker 4: Buzz Williams. And I like Buzz Williams more as a
Speaker 4: more I read about him as a person. I don't
Speaker 4: think he's the guy for that job, would want that job,
Speaker 4: you know. And and I think Buzz Williams is a
Speaker 4: good coach, but I don't think he I don't think
Speaker 4: he is what they want, you know. I don't know
Speaker 4: where they're going, but it's gonna like again, the the
Speaker 4: Domino effect. If they grab a big guy, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be so interesting to see who lands there. Because I
Speaker 4: don't know that it's gonna I think it's gonna end
Speaker 4: up like Louisville, Kentucky. And I may may my words here.
Speaker 4: I don't think they're gonna get one of the big
Speaker 4: fish that they want. I think they're gonna have to
Speaker 4: say for for uh, you know, someone else and and
Speaker 4: see what happens. But but it's a hell of an article.
Speaker 4: You got to reach check it out. Pure got a
Speaker 4: picture of Buzz Williams. I thought, I thought some of
Speaker 4: the listeners that are I you fans might want to
Speaker 4: check it out. You know, it's it's really a good read.
Speaker 5: I'll check it out like that.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: Thanks, Jerry, appreciate the call man. Yeah, the uh.
Speaker 2: The Indiana job is a great job, and I think
Speaker 2: they have missed on the right hire.
Speaker 5: And we talked about this last week.
Speaker 2: I'm not an Indiana fan by any means, but they
Speaker 2: the all they gotta do, and again easier said than done,
Speaker 2: is find a really good coach, and I don't mean
Speaker 2: the next John Wooden, but somebody that can thrive there
Speaker 2: and really take their formula that has worked elsewhere and
Speaker 2: implemented at Indiana with much better resources, right if you
Speaker 2: you know again, I mean they're not taking our coaches
Speaker 2: around here, and and they they certainly wouldn't leave for Indiana.
Speaker 2: But my point is Pope was successful enough at Utah
Speaker 2: Valley and at b YU. He had something going same
Speaker 2: thing with with Kelsey at Charleston and at Winthrop. And
Speaker 2: in this new world, you can you can make that
Speaker 2: jumped and bring what you did that worked from the
Speaker 2: lower level to the higher level. I mean, there's no
Speaker 2: guarantee that it works flawlessly, but I think because of
Speaker 2: nil meaning you can use money and you can make
Speaker 2: up whatever issues you may have in the recruiting area.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're not somebody that's a larger than
Speaker 2: life personality that can't go to a guy's home and
Speaker 2: sell him on all your final four trips because you
Speaker 2: haven't been there, you know what you can do to
Speaker 2: make up for that. Drop the bag, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's going to make an impact. And with players, you're
Speaker 2: not stuck with guys for years because they can't leave.
Speaker 5: People can leave in any moment.
Speaker 2: You can get rid of dudes and go get guys
Speaker 2: in the portal, really good players, you know, if you're
Speaker 2: a good recruiter and you have good resources. So Indiana's
Speaker 2: gotten it wrong so often. The only time they did
Speaker 2: get it right, they fired a guy for something that
Speaker 2: is so silly, and that's the Kelvin Sampson text message stuff.
Speaker 2: So I think they I think Indiana can swing for
Speaker 2: a guy like a Bruce Pearl or a Chris Beard,
Speaker 2: and if they don't do it because of other issues,
Speaker 2: then like then they don't really want to win that
Speaker 2: bad honestly.
Speaker 5: But if they don't get those guys because.
Speaker 2: They don't want them or because they just get turned down,
Speaker 2: Indiana is the kind of program that they can go
Speaker 2: get a coach that is in the similar This is
Speaker 2: in a similar spot as as Kelsey and Pope Word
Speaker 2: where they've proven their good. It's just they haven't gotten
Speaker 2: the opportunity at this level. And I don't think guys
Speaker 2: would have been able to get the same opportunity in
Speaker 2: this current era of college basketball, because again, things that
Speaker 2: used to really hurt you as far as being able
Speaker 2: to succeed, like a Patino did it a Louisville or
Speaker 2: a Caliperri did it to Kentucky or a Bill selp
Speaker 2: that at Kansas. You can make up for that with
Speaker 2: the new world that we have here with again money
Speaker 2: and free agency with the portal. But thank you for
Speaker 2: the call, Jerry. I appreciate it. So Austin played the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame song there and I talked about it
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 5: Last week.
Speaker 2: I was inducted into my high school Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: over the weekend. North Bullet High School is where I went.
Speaker 2: I graduated nineteen years ago and I found out I
Speaker 2: guess in like October that I was going to be
Speaker 2: part of this class. And I don't want to get
Speaker 2: trust me, I'm not going to talk about it for
Speaker 2: twenty minutes with you guys. But I don't think there's
Speaker 2: something that I could individually be honored with that meant
Speaker 2: more to me than that, And I don't think I
Speaker 2: would have told you that ahead of time. But that's
Speaker 2: just kind of how it played out, because I mean,
Speaker 2: you want to grow up and be successful in life
Speaker 2: and make your parents proud, make your community proud, and
Speaker 2: you know you want to.
Speaker 5: I mean, people I think.
Speaker 2: Want to be successful and have good lives and do
Speaker 2: right by people. And I've been fortunate enough to where
Speaker 2: I feel like I've got a dream job, like I
Speaker 2: have a phenomenal career that doesn't seem like work. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm able to say that. There are many times throughout
Speaker 2: my week where I just think, is real?
Speaker 5: Do I get to do this?
Speaker 2: So I'm very fortunate as it is, and I try
Speaker 2: not to ever take that for granted because it could
Speaker 2: be gone at any moment, right, So I'm really humble,
Speaker 2: but you know, lucky is the way I view it.
Speaker 2: But to see that my peers in my community where
Speaker 2: I grew up, that's such a part of me and
Speaker 2: my story for you know, forever it was really really
Speaker 2: really special. It still doesn't kind of seem real how
Speaker 2: Saturday went. But where I grew up in Northern Bullet County,
Speaker 2: my parents went to school where I went to school,
Speaker 2: but it was brand new at the time. So my dad,
Speaker 2: he graduated at North Bullet in nineteen seventy nine. The
Speaker 2: first year the school existed, I believe was in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy seven, so it's a brand new school.
Speaker 5: And my dad.
Speaker 2: Played all three sports for the first couple of years
Speaker 2: and then really just focused on basketball, and he was
Speaker 2: the school's first first ever All State honoree in basketball
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine. He won the first district championship
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine. My mother, she was homecoming queen
Speaker 2: at the school in nineteen eighty, so, like it just
Speaker 2: kind of felt like it was.
Speaker 5: A part of me.
Speaker 2: And I never, like my parents never told me about
Speaker 2: their days in high school, and my dad never told
Speaker 2: me about how good he was as a basketball player,
Speaker 2: and if he would have, it would have been cool.
Speaker 2: But like to hear people that I grew up around
Speaker 2: their parents, who knew of my parents, or went to
Speaker 2: school with my parents, or just somebody that i'd see
Speaker 2: in my community that knew I was Mark and Patty's son,
Speaker 2: to hear them talk about my parents and their accomplishments,
Speaker 2: and just that they made an that they left an
Speaker 2: impression that made me so proud to be their son.
Speaker 2: And without any real moment of like, Okay, I want
Speaker 2: to I want to do this and make them proud,
Speaker 2: I just I became obsessed with wanting to play basketball
Speaker 2: at the high school that I was going to go to,
Speaker 2: and I wanted it so bad it just kind of
Speaker 2: felt like it was what I was supposed to do.
Speaker 2: My mom would take me to games whenever I was
Speaker 2: a kid, and the coach at the time was a
Speaker 2: family friend of my mom's, so you know, we got
Speaker 2: to sit like behind the bench. And I remember watching
Speaker 2: high school games when I was in like fifth sixth grade,
Speaker 2: and this first time I went to a game when
Speaker 2: they had the band playing in warm ups and the
Speaker 2: coach wore a suit and his name was Larry Waldrigs
Speaker 2: and he looked like a million bucks. I said this
Speaker 2: in my speech on Saturday. He looked like he coached
Speaker 2: the knicks of the Lakers like he and I just remember, like, man,
Speaker 2: this is cool. I want to do this, and I
Speaker 2: was already obsessed with basketball at the time, so it
Speaker 2: just consumed me. It was it was a huge part
Speaker 2: of it was really my childhood and my teenage years
Speaker 2: were basketball, basketball, basketball, and I was able to, you know,
Speaker 2: have a pretty good career, and I had a lot
Speaker 2: of great memories. But to be able to win a
Speaker 2: district championship just like my dad did, and be the
Speaker 2: first father son duo to ever even play there, and
Speaker 2: of course also both be able to be a part
Speaker 2: of district championship teams. As corny as it sounds like that,
Speaker 2: that meant so much to me my whole life. So
Speaker 2: then to to get honored and you know, have that
Speaker 2: moment Saturday, it was just so special. And I don't
Speaker 2: I don't feel like there's anything that that that could
Speaker 2: mean more to me as far as just a group,
Speaker 2: meaning my high school's alumni association choosing to honor me
Speaker 2: and really be about my story, meaning my family, and
Speaker 2: how like, you know, we're kind of we kind of
Speaker 2: feel like we're the first family of the program, just
Speaker 2: because Dad was there when it started and when we
Speaker 2: won districts when I was a senior, it was we
Speaker 2: snapped the longest streak the programs ever had without a
Speaker 2: district championship. So again Corny reliving the high school days.
Speaker 2: But I do just want to think, and I met
Speaker 2: so many people who say they listen to the show,
Speaker 2: that that that I didn't know listen to the show.
Speaker 2: And I met people that I wasn't that I'd never
Speaker 2: met before, but people who knew my parents and stuff,
Speaker 2: and it was just such a such a special weekend.
Speaker 2: And you know, I remember, not long after I found
Speaker 2: out that I was going to be going to the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, I started going to North bull of
Speaker 2: basketball games because one of my teammates, Jesse Curry, he's
Speaker 2: now the coach there and he's doing a great job.
Speaker 2: And I mean, it's fun to watch a guy I
Speaker 2: played with coaching this team and they're having success. But
Speaker 2: I would I took Moose my son, and you know,
Speaker 2: he he loved he got to go out on the
Speaker 2: court at halftime and shoot with some of the other kids,
Speaker 2: and I could just kind of see him looking around
Speaker 2: at the gym, kind of taking it all in, had
Speaker 2: the ball on his hip and like I remember almost
Speaker 2: you know, falling to my knees the first time I
Speaker 2: just saw him like kind of looking around thinking it
Speaker 2: was cool like I did, and it was. It was
Speaker 2: it was special. And then we take my daughter to
Speaker 2: school every day and then I take Moose to daycare
Speaker 2: and it's right by the high school. And you know,
Speaker 2: he asked me at least a couple times a week, Daddy,
Speaker 2: when are we going to go watch the Eagles play again?
Speaker 5: And it just hits me, like in my it just.
Speaker 2: It's it's I don't know, it's a feeling that I
Speaker 2: never knew existed until it happened. And to have him
Speaker 2: there on Saturday and hearing me talk about his grandfather
Speaker 2: and and and whatnot, it was just a really special moment.
Speaker 2: And I'm so appreciative that they chose to include me,
Speaker 2: and I mean it, it was awesome. So thanks to everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and thanks for you all listening to let me share that,
Speaker 2: because it's an honor. All Right, we got to run
Speaker 2: last break. We'll come back and wrap it up on
Speaker 2: the other side.
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Speaker 2: Day Fantasia, right, yes, oh yeah, was this her biggest song?
Speaker 2: I have to think so, man, I don't know why,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure it wasn't the intention when this song
Speaker 2: was written and recorded.
Speaker 5: But this is a low key The Fellas will listen
Speaker 5: to it.
Speaker 2: It's a hood classic together and like there's just a
Speaker 2: there's just an understanding. There's no shame if you sing
Speaker 2: at the top of your lungs like a woman, because
Speaker 2: this song it just it just hits.
Speaker 5: It's that melody.
Speaker 3: It's that early two thousands, like mid two thousands sort
Speaker 3: of like this is when like MTV was like in
Speaker 3: full swing in the two thousands. Only morning as soon
Speaker 3: as you woke up, you were finding this Mario baby bash.
Speaker 5: Oh dude, Mario yeah, so o my goodness.
Speaker 2: That was like a that was like a brief version
Speaker 2: of a brief stretch within the R and B era
Speaker 2: that was just different than the rest of it, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like I can't I can't really
Speaker 2: put what made it different, but it was different.
Speaker 5: Good stuff and b two k those guys I have
Speaker 5: it said that, Oh my gosh, it's good stuff.
Speaker 2: Man, little pretty pretty Ricky, pretty ricky. We're going a
Speaker 2: horny bab They were horned up. The Fellows were always
Speaker 2: on the hot line exactly I've that it was a
Speaker 2: little risquee very much.
Speaker 5: We got to run in a second. What did you
Speaker 5: think of the halftime show?
Speaker 3: I actually kind of liked it. I've always liked Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 3: I'm I guess I'll be old man yells at clouds.
Speaker 3: I wish you would have played a lot more older stuff,
Speaker 3: But I get why I played the new stuff. But
Speaker 3: I actually liked that. I thought he put on a
Speaker 3: good show. Wasn't it terrible? Like everyone else said?
Speaker 2: It was whatever to me? But I didn't go in
Speaker 2: thinking he needed to perform for me. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: that's one of the thing that's really irritated me is
Speaker 2: that that that you can you can say that you
Speaker 2: know it's not made for you and still didn't think
Speaker 2: it was great and it's not some awful thing. What's
Speaker 2: really irritated me is those who yell, hey, uh mid
Speaker 2: you know middle a white men, this is it for you? Well, okay, so, like,
Speaker 2: does does that mean we just have to say, okay,
Speaker 2: it's great? This is one thing that bothers me with
Speaker 2: mainstream music is that artists, bands, groups, they get to
Speaker 2: such a level of fame and this this artistry that
Speaker 2: they have from a creative standpoint that they could do anything,
Speaker 2: and others are some people are just gonna say, well,
Speaker 2: it's phenomenal. And if you don't like it, and you
Speaker 2: have the balls to say that, man, this is kind
Speaker 2: of weird.
Speaker 5: What is this, then.
Speaker 2: You're just attacked as you just you don't get it,
Speaker 2: Like you don't, you don't, you can't relate, like you're
Speaker 2: just not on our level of understanding. Yeah, like it's
Speaker 2: just that that's kind of what it felt like. But
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't think it was awesome, but you
Speaker 2: know I didn't. I mean, I didn't go in thinking
Speaker 2: he needed to be phenomenal for me, because again, everybody's
Speaker 2: got their own taste. And I never was a real
Speaker 2: big fan of him in general, not because of any reason.
Speaker 2: It's just of that music genre. He's not one of
Speaker 2: my favorite artists. I mean, I probably get hit for
Speaker 2: saying this, but like, I mean, I like Drake Better.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about their beef, don't really care
Speaker 2: anything about it. I just like Drake's music better. You go,
Speaker 2: all right, we're out of time. Have a good night, everybody.