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Speaker 1: What is up? Fellow Siko's I Am Dana Valley coming

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at you with another episode of the fan Fabulous Hardwoodknos podcast.

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It will not be joined by Grant Hughes again this time,

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but I will once again be speaking with mort ste Gensen.

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He covered the NBA for Yaki Sports Forbes, as well

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as the NBA podcast Go check them out. We did

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a bunch of home and homes this week. This conversation

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was his idea and ended up taking us in some

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interesting places. We covered the Yannis attend to Kompo rumors

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that the Rockets might have interest. A report later came

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out from Kellyikov the Athletic that the Rockets aren't interested.

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We know how this stuff works, but we didn't talk

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about Yannis to the Rockets specifically. He ended up asking

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an interesting question of would you trade Cooper Flag for

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Yannis attend to Kompo and the answer would vary by team.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: We went through a bunch of different teams that could

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potentially end up with a lottery picker that we thought

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were like, not likely. But you know, if we're not

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going to talk about the you know, the Boston Celtics

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having a lottery.

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Speaker 2: Pick for instance.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to be included in this, and it

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ended up being an interesting exercise. I think you will

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enjoy the discussion. Very quickly. Before we get started, Grant

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and I are going to be doing a which NBA

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player would you rather Have? For the next five years? Podcast?

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early next week, the week of Thanksgiving at the absolute latest,

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that'll be a way for maybe your player combination. Would

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you rather have? Nineteen year old Jason for the next

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five years of Victor Womanyama, who's older than nineteen year

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old Jason Tatum, as just an example, you can try

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and get creative with them. We want realistic ones too,

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because I don't want to get to a point where

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over and over again. So really thank on it, but

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Appreciate all of your support. As always, we love you

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around these parts. But that's enough out of me. Let's

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get to talking and asking an overarching question and this

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the initial, y honest news of it all, which NBA

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teams would trade Cooper flag for Yannis attend to Komba.

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Speaker 2: All right, Dan, we have to get into some rumors

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because obviously the Milwaukee Bucks are well. They're doing as

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well as one could imagine after you hire Doc Rivers

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and Darvin Ham to be on your bench. Basically, Giannis

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him away and the Rockets have expressed interest. So before

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and I've said this before. But I want to hadle

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to rate myself on this one. I think you'd be

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absolutely looney Tunes to go in and make a Yanis

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trade before you make a change on the bench. Like

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I fully recognize, right like, but it's still like I

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fully recognize the problem at hand. I fully recognize there

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are very very few ways for this Bucks team to

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even get better because of where they are salary wise,

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because of their assets, all of which are basically better

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for them playing instead of like as trade assets. But

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I would never be able to sell it to my

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fan base, sell it to my to my fans worldwide.

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my team before I fired Doc Rivers, it would feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm of the mind you don't trade Yannis,

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that that is it's not it's Yannis. If I'm Milwaukee,

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draft pick might matter, it's top four protect like New

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in a vacuum, the Rockets and the thunder have enough

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gave them enough to have them trade mcal Bridges no

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matter what. But if they weren't already getting control of

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their next two first round picks back from New York

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from excuse me, from Houston, if that wasn't lined up,

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do they still make the McHale bridges trade. So that's

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Speaker 2: But even if Gyannis comes in and says I want

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the next two seasons beyond this one. Like if I'm

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the Bucks, I wouldn't be in a rush. Like if

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Yannis calls for like a mid season trade, I'm just

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selling him no, straight up, because you can get more

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for someone like him during the course of summer than

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Speaker 1: A Yanni's trade I would be. We don't get shocked

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much anymore in hashbag this league. If he was traded

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mid season, that I would be flabbergasted.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, look, we're so every single year I

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do like this Danish stream of the trade deadline, Like

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we we rent out an indoor basketball court, installed cameras

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NBA as I'm watching that, as I'm covering that whole thing.

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to Giannis and honest is just like, no, no, there's

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no way in hell I'm staying. I'm out, I'm mentally done,

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I'm checked out, and there's just no way you can

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get out of it. It's so crucial to nail that

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trade in the summer, like you cannot make, you know,

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maximize that value because you have no value elsewhere. I mean, look,

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Bobby Port is like, there's there isn't that one guy

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small guard decline. It certainly feels like he's inching closer

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thirty five. I don't know. So that starts with that,

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draft picks and it's the young place, because you have

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to ask for Jaylen Williams in return, you need the

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blue chip prospect and you need all of the draft picks.

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Speaker 1: See, I would argue that Houston is better for Milwaukee

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now whether Johannes is what Houston needs when you have

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Shanggun and Amen Thompson's there, But if you're Milwaukee, you

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could get or ask like I would argue this way,

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like there are maybe more poachable blue chip prospects in

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Houston than Okase at this moment because Okacy is close

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to its final form and they're contending for a title.

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could you envision this? Like they're they would give up

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at least one of Amen Jabbari or Reed Shepherd for Gianness.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, no, it's it's attractive, But is it attractive?

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for setting up everybody else. And that's not Yannis can

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entire offense. No, but Houston has Like, well, you're working

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about other money going out. Milwaukee still wants to be better,

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see has lou Dort. But like if you can get

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of Aman Thompson, Reed Shepherd and Jabbari for Giannis plus

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Brooks And then you're filling out money elsewhere with other

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you can get away with that, I mean you can

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Speaker 1: Now if I'm if I'm the Pelicans, I probably don't

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like in two thousand and like get it back now.

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swap in twenty six, and then they also have the

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Bucks's twenty twenty seven pick outright to a New Orleans

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as well. So like those are the two picks that

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are a big deal because we're assuming this trade isn't

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gonna happen this season anyway, now, if you want to

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happen mid season, I would still say, is there anything

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New Orleans could do to get the back end of

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like that Bucks protections back from Brooklyn? Or is there

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could another team get the whole life? So but that

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would be if that's what Waukee's telling people. I honestly

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think that's smart, by the way, by the Bucks front

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office if that's But that's what would make the offer

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truly interesting, is if you could take because New Orleans

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in a vacuum, like if they came calling with Zion

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and your draft picks back, Like do you think about it?

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Speaker 2: You think about it? Yeah, absolutely, you think about it.

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Even though I I just wrote a long piece or

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of Yahoo about basically how difficult sign is to build around.

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And I used Gianni's as a kind of comparison point

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because at least Gianna's, you know, he's got the height,

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he's got the length, he's got the defensive capabilities, where

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Sion is a six ' six power forward who really

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can't play center, who really can't play the three was

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very pitch and told into a position. So are the

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Bucks aware of that? Or are we just going to assume, Well,

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the Bucks are smart enough to hire Doc Rivers so

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they might see the value.

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Speaker 1: Could you also go the other route? Again? I don't

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know what this looks like, Jannis and Zion together, but

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it's it's gonna be. There'll be other money involved, but

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it's yeah, randon Ingram and your picks back. Maybe you're

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getting some New Orleans picks tacked on that too, And.

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Speaker 2: I hate that idea. I hate the idea together.

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Speaker 1: Have you had enough shooting? I mean, look at who's ions.

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So Zion's playing alongside Steven adamson. If that's just your

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front court, you'll figure out what they made it work

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with Steven Adams and Yonis Valnunis just as like off

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off rip just to name the past, like two primary

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Peblican centers, and yeah, those guys are good, they're not

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excellent compliment? Is is Yannis a worst compliment to Zion

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than any of those guys? And I think you.

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Speaker 2: Can what's that They'll have to average like eighty pain points?

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Speaker 1: Okay you there's not onely two guys that could do it.

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It's those two. And Giannis want is he shooting like

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ninety percent from mid range this year? So hashtag four spacing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look the cleaner fit. You brought him

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up the thunder as well. I mean, let's just be

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real about this. Even if somehow they finagle a trade

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without JDub, which would be amazing, I just don't see it.

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Shaye dead Yannis is It's ridiculous, That's what it is.

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It's ridiculous. I I don't see how that wouldn't be

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of interest for it too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just so the thing that I think, Okayse

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needs the most is a second primary shot creator. And

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there's ye, there's a chance it's healthy chat, but like

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there isn't there a better chance what they need in

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a playoff setting would be the player you want Jadub

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to become rather than Yannis right now because he's not.

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I know, he's shooting well from mid range this year,

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but like that is a very paint oriented shot creator

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who's not going to create a ton of advantages like Yues.

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Collapsing defense is the past. Giannie is no worse than

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the third best player back. But I love how you're

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breaking I love how you're breaking that down, Like, are

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we really sure that they'd be good? I love it

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they'd be great, But does it do you think it's? Like,

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does it answer their bigger Their defense is already this

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no worse relative to the league avers and the second

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best all time, So does it really are they better? Probably?

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But would you I would still just wonder about the offense,

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especially look check volume chet Holmgren's three point volumes. All

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of a sudden, I guess that when he's healthy has

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to come way up with gianness because it wasn't super

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houd to begin with, and so then you're also shrinking

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during the y honest minutes, some of maybe the most

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intriguing like independent elements of his game. You have to

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consider it. I want to make it clear, but it's

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sort of like if you're if you're Okay, see, I

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know this isn't the exercise you asked for. Is there? Like,

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could you give up enough to New Orleans to get

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those at least those two bucks picked back? Because New

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Orleans has the flexibility to make a Yannis trade without

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including any one of their top three players. Okay, see

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excuse me.

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Speaker 2: Right, Orleans will have not a leverage there because they

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know what the end game is gonna look like.

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Speaker 1: That's why, because they don't have Like Isaiah, Joe would

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make a lot of sense in New Orleans. But it's

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that's that plus picks. I think it's not going to

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get a pick at this this juncture. So that would

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be the like case in Wallace could maybe be interesting,

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but they so well he.

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Speaker 2: Would be interesting, Yeah, he would be interesting. He's good,

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he's out.

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Speaker 1: Would you give up Alex Caruso and picks to get

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up some bucks picks back? Like, but from New Orleans' perspective,

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now you're you're really doubling down on the the or

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I mean we can go we're really galaxy brain this stuff.

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: The trade restriction lifts is there in Isaiah Hartnerstein, deal

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around that and picks that makes sense to get now

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you're getting off. We'll eat brandon Ingram's money for the

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rest of this year, or we'll eat CJ McCollum right

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and go that route to get those like that would

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be something to consider.

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Speaker 2: I mean CJ is kind of like the guy so

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before they signed Hartenstein during the summer, I am in,

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shouldn't Anthony Simon specifically, because I do think they needed

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another floor space. I think they need someone else to

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create from the perimeter and in and A McCollum was

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doing the trick pretty nicely. I would argue, even if

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he's a salary inclusion, which.

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Speaker 1: End of it are you talking about the eventual deal

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with Milwaukee or with.

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Speaker 2: No no for for for Okay, see.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think TJ's super valuable when he's

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healthy New Orleans because of the way he's brought up

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his three point volume the past couple of years. Have

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you seen for I know you Mark Stein's a homie

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of yours, isn't he? But what did you make of

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the report that the Knicks traded in Karl Anthony Townsend

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part to make them a more attractive Yannis destination as

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a package.

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Speaker 2: Well with with what money? I didn't see that.

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Speaker 1: No, you could figure it over the off season. You

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could figure it out. My whole point is if they

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were really thinking in those terms, why would you have

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given up that box pick in the bridges?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, No, I again, I think we we have

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to assume that the Bucks, if that trade request comes

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in from Yannis, we have to assume it's the big

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red reset button, right, I mean we can't.

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Speaker 1: We can't assume you in Yes, I think from our distant,

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callous perspective, if Yannis wants out, it's time to start over,

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especially if brook Lopez is going to be a free agent.

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Chris Middleton will be a free agent, he has that

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player option. But like when you don't have your own

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picks for until when did they get back control their

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own picks two thousand and thirty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's that's where that's where I.

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Speaker 1: Know that one like that. So that's where ship gets

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weird that you probably need like I don't, I personally

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don't think in that market that if you trade Giannis

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and you're not getting any of your picks back, that

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they're gonna be at Maybe they will. I don't think

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it's a foregone conclusion that, oh it's reset central there, All.

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Speaker 2: Right, how about this? Then they wait until the draft

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lottery so they know who gets number one, so at

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least they can start off with someone.

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Speaker 1: You're offering honest for Cooper flag.

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Speaker 2: Depending on who gets it. Of course, if it's a

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rebuilding team, there's no reason to get the.

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Speaker 1: Nets get Cooper flag.

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Speaker 2: They're not playing no exactly, Like it has to be

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someone where that makes sense, where there's a salary structure

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in place where you could see that trade sort of

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get developed.

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Speaker 1: What do you do? So what if New Orleans wins

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the linch Milwaukee's pick. Oh boy, that'd be fascinating.

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Speaker 2: But it isn't. So it's like one oh no, So

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how explain to me again? So it's one four protected, right,

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So like.

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Speaker 1: If the buck pick ends up one through four, the

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Pelicans get it. If it's five, the Nets get it.

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Pretty high pick out of this.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's funny, God, that's funny.

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Speaker 1: The better question, so, what's a lottery team that you

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could see thinking in those terms like we will give

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up the number one, the number two pick. Whatever. I

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don't know enough about this draft class other than people

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seem to think there are like three to five cornerstones

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available at the TOST.

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Speaker 2: So there is a team that's currently in the lottery,

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I don't necessarily think they'll end up in well, they

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might end up in the late lottery when they get healthy.

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The ratters are actually pretty good if when they have

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all their players. They just haven't had them this year,

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Like Emanuel Quickly's been in and out of the lineup.

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Speaker 1: R J.

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Speaker 2: Barrett started the season injured, Scotty Barnes has been out

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of the lineup like it's been. They haven't had everyone together, like.

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I would be pretty intrigued to see where they land

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on such a deal if they win the lot like,

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but again, they just gave up big deals to both

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Quickly and Barnes. Maybe they'll just say, hey, look, Cooper

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Flag on a cost controlled asset for four years with

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this team. Look maybe we'll run with that instead.

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Speaker 1: By the way, and that's also what makes it tough,

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is like, so you have to make the money work.

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In almost all of these cases, it has to be

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Cooper Flag plus stuff stuff. Yeah, the Spurs because they

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have a ton of salary flexibilities.

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Speaker 2: See, I was hoping you bring up them, because imagine this,

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you have Wemby and Cooper Flag are you giving that up?

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Speaker 1: They as an organization would not. I do think there

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are a lot of other teams if they were in

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the same situation, would.

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Speaker 2: But the Spurs shouldn't. I would go I would go

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on record and say the Spurs shouldn't that because that

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is building a window that is supposedly sustainable for a

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lot of years. Their defense would be right off the.

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Speaker 1: Back with Steph Castle there, my god.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can stide. Note watched a lot of Spurs this year.

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No one's talking about this guy. What the hell man.

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Speaker 1: He's so sting about him on Sunday. You didn't see that.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see you skated.

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't see it, shooting like forty eight on three.

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And I think some people give me pushed back at

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the at the beginning of the season base stuff. Some

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of his misses. I know some people think his shot

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is slower and lower, so they have him spacing out

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from long distances to give him more time to load up.

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Right right, he's hitting him now. I thought some of

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his misses were like just bring him in a couple feet,

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but like he's hitting twenty six and twenty seven footers

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over the last five or six games and if he's

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hitting those, whether it's the slow dribble pull ups or

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off the catch, like that changes the complexion of their

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entire future. Just thought you want Wemby, I don't want

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to see Wemby in the post. Everyone shut the fuck

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up about that too much of let's get Wenby in

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the Yeah, you want him getting going downhill or like

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as a play at the rim, open up the floor.

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Steph Katz is currently doing that. In the fact that

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he's kind of learning under the like the tutelage of

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CP three, there's a chance that he just ends up

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being a basketball cycle path. And like, if we all

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of sudden see him punishing mismatches into these mid range

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pull ups, that'll be terrifying. He's I was not high

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on him, and I'm still by the way, I'm still

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skeptical of the jump shot. But if like, this guy

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hasn't operable, I'm not saying forty seven percent from twenty

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seven feet now, but he's operable. Jump shot. Holy hell.

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Speaker 2: I my son and I watched him live in LA

471
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:10,079
a couple of weeks ago, and he had this one move.

472
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,119
It was it was the most subtle, straightforward thing, Like

473
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,759
no one, no one ever would ever pick it up

474
00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:18,359
on television as being a fantastic thing. He got a

475
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,519
high pick I think was I don't remember if it

476
00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:24,079
was Sack Collins or Wenby setting the screen and he

477
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,079
took this wide like step and then drippled into a

478
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,000
very simple mini pull up. But the separation he was

479
00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:36,160
able to gain off that one power dripple and his

480
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:41,799
foot his feet placement. I was like, that's clean, Like

481
00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:45,279
that's there's no wasted motion, there's like that isn't a

482
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,319
rookie move. That's not a rookie shot. That's not a

483
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,960
rookie foot placement. Everything was completely under control. And even

484
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,039
my son looked at me and went smooth, and I

485
00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:59,400
was like, yeah, you're right, kidd oh, it really was.

486
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,519
I mean it's like it's the smaller things, but he

487
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,279
just looks so damn polished. And like then when you

488
00:24:05,319 --> 00:24:07,759
go to this profile and you watch the shooting percentage,

489
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:10,920
just everyone kind of loses their minds. But the process

490
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,519
is extremely encouraging.

491
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: There's a there's a poise there for sure.

492
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

493
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:18,319
Speaker 1: So I have a couple other teams for the John

494
00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:20,680
if they want a lottery this one. I feel like

495
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,160
it's pretty easy because they also don't own their own pick,

496
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,400
so you would have to but in Atlanta you have.

497
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: To, right, yeah, right, yeah, here's what I do.

498
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:30,319
Speaker 1: Here's one that I think is interesting, but I'm curious

499
00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:32,440
if it's just a me thing that's interesting.

500
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:38,079
Speaker 2: Charlotte, Oh, Charlotte would be in in They need a

501
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:41,559
an established superstar at this point, they need someone who

502
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:44,200
is they would they would go for it.

503
00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I also think they would

504
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:48,880
go for it in part because I think LaMelo Ball

505
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,640
is a transcendent player that people still don't appreciate. Now

506
00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:56,720
does he suck? Apparently? Yeah, apparently he sucks. But uh,

507
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,359
that that would be if you're Brandon Miller and on

508
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,400
the basketball court with Giannis. Yeah, that is that like

509
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,279
a yeah, year three Brandon Miller with Giannis and Lamela,

510
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:08,279
that's a really good team.

511
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:11,519
Speaker 2: It's fun. At least it would be fun. And you know,

512
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,039
Jonas would have to demand a trade by probably the

513
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:17,640
fifty game mark because Lamela won't give him the ball.

514
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,559
He'll just be busy taking those twenty nine.

515
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: Disagree, disagree, I disagree, shots man. That's why another team

516
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:30,960
that might finishing Detroit, Oh.

517
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're ready they're ready. They're absolutely yeah. And of

518
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,920
course we don't even have to ask about.

519
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: The baked in. Dude, you don't think the new regime

520
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,039
changed with Trajan langdon I did see did you see

521
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,319
the joke where it was Frey was probably looking at

522
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,480
the way that Duran and Ivy are playing and just

523
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,079
like Kate and just like what is going on here?

524
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,200
So I was like the Trajan Landon surrounded them with

525
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:52,599
actual spacing like.

526
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: T But that's that's actually the thing. I thought they

527
00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:59,000
kind of accelerated a little bit this year, and I

528
00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:01,640
think they would like to have someone in there who

529
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,400
they know who are So that's the underplay thing, right

530
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,039
Cooper Flag despite the fact that he looks amazing, despite

531
00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:11,319
the fact that he's you know, beasting in college, you

532
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,000
never know. Like that's the thing about the draft, you

533
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:16,960
never know, right, Remember how mcmarkel Foles was a can't

534
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,039
miss project, I mean or prospect. He was Dwayne Wade

535
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,000
with a three point shot. That was the word on him.

536
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,440
He was supposed to be this transcendent superstar point guard.

537
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,240
You know, he's he's out of the league right now,

538
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,880
so we never really know. So for it seemed like

539
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,400
them would they not look at Jhonison. Go here's a

540
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,759
guy who's won multiple MVPs. There's a guy who's won

541
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:39,559
a championship. We know we can circle him in for

542
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,000
thirty plus points, twelve plus rebounds, five plus assists, and

543
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:48,079
strong ass defense. We know that he'll lift our transition

544
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,279
games to a new level. Whereas with Cooper Flag, you know,

545
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,440
you roll the dice on something that you just don't

546
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,279
know what is. I think Detroit, after the couple seasons

547
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,759
that they've had, would lean towards the new commodity. But

548
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:01,599
that's just my take.

549
00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:03,759
Speaker 1: What about So let's go through that. I guess the

550
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:06,200
other candidates quickly. We already did New Orleans, we did

551
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,920
San Antonio, we did Charlotte. Uh, Washington is probably a no.

552
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,759
Speaker 2: Right. Oh yeah, that's flak. That's flack. They're leaning into

553
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:15,480
the youth movement.

554
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: We already said Brooklyn wouldn't, right, We said Atlanta, Wood,

555
00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:22,119
Charlotte would. I mean every team in the East could

556
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,880
be a lottery team. We said the Pistons, they're currently fifth.

557
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: Right, the Bulls would do obviously.

558
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: The Bulls were, yeah, they would ooh, Miami, they probably shouldn't.

559
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:35,359
I would say, if you win the number one pick Burnald,

560
00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:37,720
you keep Bam, probably keep Tyler Hero. At this point,

561
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:41,599
he's fairly trade Jimmy Butler, like just rebuild around Cooper Flag,

562
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,400
Kai Ma Bam and Hot Hero. But do you think

563
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,599
they go to Giannis route.

564
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,559
Speaker 2: It's Miami and look Miami. Low Key is one of

565
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,480
those teams that always comes to Star. They're basically Lakeer's

566
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,680
East when it comes to like their mentality, they always

567
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,319
want to start. They are very horny for stars. I

568
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,480
think they they're waiting for Janni's to kind of like

569
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:01,680
put them on the on the list, right.

570
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, so I wouldn't, but you're saying they would,

571
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:07,599
and I probably are.

572
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: Saying they would. I agree with your your logic here.

573
00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:13,599
I think with Miami it's kind of time to retool

574
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:16,720
a little bit, so a Cooper Flag situation would look

575
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,759
pretty attractive as far as I'm concerned. There is one

576
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:22,640
scene of the Lottery we haven't talked about.

577
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: Yet Cooper George for oh oh, that's the.

578
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: I thought we were talking about Dallas.

579
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,319
Speaker 1: Kind of the same situation though, right, because for Dallas

580
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:35,160
it would be you have to give a players who

581
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,960
are good to make the money work. But they would

582
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,759
have to. It would be I.

583
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,759
Speaker 2: Don't care who they gave up. Look, you gotta you've

584
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:45,240
gotta pair Lukan Ghana's if you have the chance. It's

585
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,839
just just for my sake, just for the for the

586
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,319
sake of Europe. You have to do it.

587
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so, I guess you get there with

588
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,720
the money. Step out of your way with MAXI Kleeve,

589
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:55,759
but PJ. Because you're probably trying to keep Kyrie and

590
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:58,119
Derek Lively as part of that, right, right.

591
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: You would have you would almost have to, yes, But

592
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,119
even if you had to give up Kyrie.

593
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: I I would do it, honestly, though I've said this

594
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,839
many times and maybe I need to get past it.

595
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,000
I'm just not even a little bit concerned about Dallas

596
00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:11,240
right now. The current time stuff is weird, But I

597
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,400
think guys are gonna get threes. Hopefully Luca gets. If

598
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,799
Luke is not healthy, then we need to have a

599
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,119
different conversation. But they would do it for sure. Philly

600
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,000
is doing Paul George and Cooper flag for Giannis, right

601
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,640
because that was that's what it would have to be.

602
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: Look, it's it's Daryl Morey. Daryl Moury is not even

603
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:29,000
shy about admitting his love for stars. Well, do you

604
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:29,480
know what the.

605
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: Actual trade should be if we're being really honest, M

606
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,400
probably like Cooper Flag and Joelle embiid.

607
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: For Yeah, yeah, I know where you're going. And I

608
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,720
don't disagree that is that is not trending the right

609
00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:41,480
way currently.

610
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,279
Speaker 1: No, Joelle BBD is so dominant. It's just we have

611
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:47,240
to have the conversation. We have the same conversation about

612
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:50,079
jaw Zion. He's in that. It's just he's one an

613
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,000
MVP and he's been more dominant ethel strength than them.

614
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:55,519
What's what other team? Oh? What about Indiana?

615
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: What about Utah? Though Utah doesn't know, we're saying that's

616
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,720
what's work, But that's a team that still seems stuck

617
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:05,279
and not knowing what the hell they want to do.

618
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: First of all, Danny Age, if he gets his hand

619
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,279
on a number one pick who is Caucasian, is not

620
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,000
is not trading him. So that's not happening.

621
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:15,799
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no, he's traking it for a number

622
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:17,079
three and getting the better player.

623
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:21,799
Speaker 1: But Utai, I think would be they would fire Will Hardy,

624
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:23,480
I think before they would trade Cooper.

625
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: Flag to be honest, that might be true that.

626
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: They fire Will hard for winning too many damn games

627
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:31,480
before they were trade.

628
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: No, but he's just My point about Jutta is basically,

629
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:36,319
I don't know where the hell they were leaning. They're

630
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:38,839
all over the place. I have no idea what the

631
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:39,319
plane is.

632
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: They're leaning very clearly one direction. Will Hardy won't let

633
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,519
it stand like this team is just like putting together

634
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,359
some good offensive performances. I think they'll openly be bad

635
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,480
enough this year. They have the worst record in the West.

636
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: So it's like LORI marktank sens. I'm just trying to

637
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,200
understand where he fits in because when that's.

638
00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: Sorry, that was asset preservation at its finest. Like, first

639
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,000
of all, Lowry Marketing, honest would be a fantastic duo,

640
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,759
but you wouldn't have a primary shock creator like there.

641
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: No, they wouldn't, And I understand that as the preservation part.

642
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,839
But then I have to wonder why didn't they flip

643
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,200
Lowry earlier when he had when his trade value was

644
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,720
enormous because of the low salary. That's where like after

645
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:23,279
year one, for example, year one.

646
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: That's a different conversation. But even then, it's like, I

647
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,400
think he's more valuable on his current deal because he's

648
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,640
on it for so long.

649
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,799
Speaker 2: For so long. Yeah, I can get behind that, I

650
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,599
to an extent, because I'm not sure if he is

651
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,240
a real Max guy considering the need for him being

652
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:42,319
set up. But you're right, that's a different conversation for

653
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,559
a different day. You brought up you brought up the Pacers.

654
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,400
The Pacers is pretty simple, right, you have Tyreese Halliburton

655
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,559
if he you know, returns to Tyrese Haliburton standards, which

656
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,319
he hasn't this year because I assume it's still the

657
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:56,359
lingering injury.

658
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,599
Speaker 1: It's so apparently deal with back stuff versus ham stuff.

659
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:01,039
Speaker 2: Right.

660
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: What's interesting about them though, is like, Okay, so Turners

661
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,880
coming off the books after this year, so you're are

662
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,680
you trading Sam with them? Like can the money work

663
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,279
with I guess Nemhrd will be on his deal. You

664
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,200
can probably step out of your way there. You'd probably

665
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,119
have to give up them Hardnie Smith is in there,

666
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:23,799
Ben mcmather and jaredsh Walker makes some money. TJ McConnell

667
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:27,440
makes someone, but they don't have like a huge salary anchor.

668
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,039
Nemhard becomes their biggest oh over topping I forgot so

669
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:34,000
nemhrd topping salary and Cooper flag, you probably have to

670
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,000
do it, right.

671
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be a great deal of contracts

672
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,599
going up. But they don't have that one, you know,

673
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,480
the r See Hartenstein contract that they can just plug

674
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:42,920
into it.

675
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:44,839
Speaker 1: They don't have that. Well, but the Nets won't have

676
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:48,599
that Ben Simmons contract either, Right. What about the Blazers,

677
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,119
you talk about a team that might be all over

678
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,720
the place. Yeah, you're just I guess at that point

679
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:58,319
it's because their contracts. No one's super expensive on that

680
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,519
team aside from Jeremary Grant and.

681
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: No, and they don't have their number one guy right

682
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,119
like that that team has still like we still don't

683
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,759
really know what Scoot Henderson.

684
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: Is defense though, with sharp Yannis and clinging and then

685
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,160
if they you keep Toamani Kamara and that's and Denny

686
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,039
Abia would be filthy. I don't know what the offense

687
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:16,519
looks like.

688
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:19,319
Speaker 2: But no, But and that's why I think they go

689
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,079
Yannest because if you're looking over that roster right now,

690
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,000
who is their clear cut number one guy?

691
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,119
Speaker 1: So if you get flag, do you then look at

692
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:33,519
maybe moving Scoot where it's like no, you're not getting

693
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,559
Yannis in that scenario, but is there someone else where?

694
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:38,240
Like would you go to Utah and be like, you

695
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:38,759
want Scoot?

696
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:42,759
Speaker 2: We'll talk lowry See, I hear what you're saying. But

697
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:46,799
I'm wondering what type of value does Scoot have right now?

698
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: There's so do you think that Scoot does better this year?

699
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,119
Speaker 2: Yes?

700
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: Or the last year?

701
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: So?

702
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,359
Speaker 1: I do think that he would have for teams that

703
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,759
are rebuilding and not in a rush. I think he

704
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,079
would have a ton of I think his mystique for

705
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,319
this year. Right if he stays the same player he

706
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,880
is right now, I think it winds up still being

707
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,119
pretty high interesting.

708
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: I see, I don't know if I'm there, but I

709
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,880
can see like where you're coming from with it. I

710
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,679
would be worried if I'm at seam out there and

711
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,000
I'm looking over the options and I know the price

712
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:23,400
tag of Scoot Henderson would be significant, and I'm looking

713
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,639
at his production and I'm looking at how he relies

714
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,880
on this leticism to the point that he is. I

715
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,480
don't know, man, I probably would.

716
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:34,559
Speaker 1: Argue he doesn't rely on like his athleticism enough, or

717
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:36,320
at least we haven't seen it. And maybe that's the

718
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,800
like what he was supposed to be, and I don't

719
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,280
know how much of that is last year. He's dealing

720
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,400
with that ankle injury stuff to start the year, but like.

721
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:46,599
Speaker 2: Right, well, my point is he doesn't have like a

722
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,199
foundation to fall back on. He's still very much theoretical player.

723
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,559
Speaker 1: Right and if you're looking at him shooting, what is

724
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,760
he at like fifty one percent inside five feet this year? Like, yeah,

725
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,519
that's a problem for someone, right. But also I just

726
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:01,599
wonder if this basing was a little bit better around him,

727
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:04,400
because they're still not their best lineups don't even have

728
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,360
a ton of spasing, and it's why Denny Abby has

729
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,679
been all over the place this year too.

730
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: But I think my overarching point about this is you

731
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,159
don't really have a clear number one guy for the

732
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:16,840
future in Portland, so you can't justify saying, you know,

733
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:19,679
no to a Yannas sort of Cooper flag regardless of

734
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:20,440
you know.

735
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but that's like I would argue though, that's

736
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,480
why maybe they would be more likely to keep Cooper flag.

737
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:30,079
Speaker 2: Though. Yeah, so you like kind of say this sark guy,

738
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,360
but then what if he doesn't turn into that guy

739
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,360
and you know, you had Giannis on the table, then what.

740
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, hindsight be comes whatever. But I just

741
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:43,159
but it's just different though, because Okay, they don't get

742
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:45,480
Giannis and Cooper Flag doesn't pan out. Are people really

743
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,159
gonna question that if you because they're a team that

744
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:49,519
would be bad enough to get.

745
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: Have you met NBA fans stand?

746
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: But like if you put Giannis on the Blazers instead, Like,

747
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,880
so it's Cooper Flag and let's just use Jeremy Grant

748
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,400
is it Jeremy Grant or referee sign is the most

749
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,920
important player that's going out.

750
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,599
Speaker 2: You got to keep Simons for the shooting, yes, Jeremy

751
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:06,639
Grand and someone else yes, and Cooper Flag.

752
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:08,119
Speaker 1: I think that would get you close there and then

753
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:09,920
you could figure out the rest of the salary or

754
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,800
is it honestly no, it should be Cooper Flag and

755
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:13,360
DeAndre eight?

756
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah right? Yeah?

757
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,639
Speaker 1: So that so okay, that's the deal. You're keeping Jeremy Grant,

758
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:20,920
Shade and Shark. If Jannis is on that team, how

759
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,159
close are they the title contention?

760
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: Well, you would have to follow up because like even

761
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,079
you say, don't trad Jeremy Grant in this particular deal,

762
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:29,679
I would flip Grand for someone else.

763
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,159
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I get what you're saying. Giannist would

764
00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:36,639
afford you more optionality. Okay, I still think they would.

765
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,079
Speaker 2: Keep Shooter though, like you keep see, the thing is

766
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:43,039
the Milwaukee's ultimate problem. Forgot about the Milwaukee equation of

767
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,719
all this. Milwaukee's problem for years and years and years

768
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,239
were they never got younger. They never got a young

769
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,239
asset base up around Johnnas. All their other guys are

770
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,760
older than him, primarily I mean Dane, Chris Middleton, those

771
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,800
guys were Lopez and I personally, I'm not ranking about

772
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,199
this for years. I think if you want to maintain

773
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,320
a competitive window for longer, your top tier superstar also

774
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,039
needs to be one of your oldest guys because you

775
00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,480
if you are like in the late twenties, start thirties,

776
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,480
but all the guys that you played with for years

777
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:17,320
and years and years are suddenly in mid in the

778
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,719
mid thirties and they're basically on their way out of

779
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,679
the league because of where they are, then if it

780
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,440
gets extremely difficult to kind of replenish that depth, So

781
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:31,000
like a get younger here, going into an Anthony Simons

782
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:36,400
Denyatua situation, Shadon Sharp situation, don Van Klingon situation. That's

783
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,920
gonna be interesting. Jianna's is gonna have young legs for

784
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:39,960
weeks now.

785
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: But here's the thing though, this is also then a

786
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,320
Lebron to La situation where how long until he gets frustrated?

787
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,239
Like Lebron also had Cleveland trade some of the kids

788
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,360
when he got there, Andrew Wigan was gone, never been

789
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,280
played for, right, So how like is that gonna fly?

790
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,639
So also, if you're Joe Cronin, I think it's easier

791
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:59,440
to It also buys you more job stability to say, well,

792
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,000
we have the number one pick. This is gonna take

793
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:03,280
more time than if we get Giannis, and there's an

794
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,159
inherent pressure there. That's also why I don't think that

795
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,320
they would do it. And if it's honest, you better

796
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,360
have the next trade lined up because then and then.

797
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: Who is that?

798
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,039
Speaker 1: And then that's even gonna increase the urgency.

799
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,639
Speaker 2: Then Yeah, no, I agree with you on that absolutely,

800
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,960
and I think that would be part of it. Right.

801
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,400
I don't think you line up Yana straight unless you

802
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,719
have other deals ready to go. I can't regardless of

803
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,559
which team we're talking about, Like there's no team outside

804
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:29,559
of the Thunder more or less or you just kind

805
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,760
of slide Giannis in there and don't really worry about

806
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,559
the rest of the roster.

807
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,599
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring up very quickly, but I forgot

808
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,960
this would really like, this would be hysterical if the

809
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,239
Clippers won the lottery, which would mean that Okac won

810
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,400
the lottery, is correct, Yeah, I'm pretty sure yes, So

811
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,880
they get Yeah, they're gonna get They have their choice

812
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,440
of the litter, basically between Houston and the Clippers, so

813
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:57,039
they if if the Clippers won the lot it does

814
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:58,559
not look like they're gonna be bad enough. And we

815
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:00,679
know they don't have the incentive, but they just organically

816
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:04,079
finished in the lottery and Okay ends up with Cooper flat.

817
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:06,719
I don't even what does Okay se do at that point?

818
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,239
Do you trade? If honestly, does Okay see trade Cooper

819
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,920
fla you have to write for your honest Oh yeah.

820
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 2: For honest yes, because no, it's it's look, it's I

821
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,800
don't want to say, I never want to say guaranteed title.

822
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,679
But that is as close as you're going to get

823
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:21,679
to a guaranteed title.

824
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: Well, okay, would they we say they should? Would they?

825
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,000
That's their question from their perspective. You still have J

826
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:34,320
Dub and Chet, you do, Yeah, and you have to

827
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,000
worry about paying them. Gianness is on his big deal,

828
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,400
Shay is going to get more expensive.

829
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: Now let's let's just roll out the lineup. First it's Chet,

830
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:50,320
then it's Black, it's J Dubb, it's Shaye, and then

831
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,480
who cares about the fifth starter? Really?

832
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,599
Speaker 1: I mean lou Dort fits into there.

833
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: I would I would honestly want like a clean, clean shooter. Yeah,

834
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:04,159
like right and yeah right, yeah, I don't even care

835
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:06,639
about the size the advantage you fight so well, I

836
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:07,039
mean at.

837
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,519
Speaker 1: That point, just go out there and trade for like

838
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:10,000
a Duncan Robinson type and slo.

839
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, exactly, like like a guy who's just a

840
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,079
straight up shooter.

841
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:14,639
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but you're talking about their whine up. But

842
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,360
you just said they should trade for you.

843
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no what Yeah no, I was just peeped

844
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,440
backing off you like imagining if they just kept black,

845
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,599
because I agree with you, if they keep black, or

846
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,000
then they'll also not have to give up J Dub.

847
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I don't think you're not.

848
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 2: You would still have hard deside who you could flip

849
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,639
for more assets down the line.

850
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: If you what what are you talking about if.

851
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: They won the lottery via the Clippers.

852
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:49,079
Speaker 1: Right, so they But my point is I would still

853
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:50,719
trade for Giannis. I would go.

854
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 2: I said you would too. But now we're picking backing

855
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,599
off the other one, like would they like really.

856
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't think they would, so I think they should.

857
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,599
I don't think they would. Is where I land.

858
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I was

859
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,840
just trying to like follow Sam Press's line of thought here,

860
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,199
like what would that roster look like if they kept

861
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,239
Cooper Flag? Because it does give him some optionality that

862
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,400
he may not have had before.

863
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:15,519
Speaker 1: So we honestly so Minnesota, if they win the lottery,

864
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:21,559
that's gonna go to Utah. That don't matter. Memphis, I

865
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:24,519
wouldn't like that's interesting.

866
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: That's old, right, that is theirs. They own that.

867
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:30,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have all their own picks, I believe.

868
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, right, you gotta go Flag. I think

869
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:39,280
no moment.

870
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: You're saying you're keeping flag if you're Memphis, I.

871
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:43,119
Speaker 2: Think so, just because of the if you want to

872
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:46,280
build that or maybe like here's the thing though, I

873
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,119
feel like Memphis are is several moves away from like

874
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:52,079
being that scene that we all hope them to be

875
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:52,599
one day.

876
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,639
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, Yeah, honest, Triple J, Desmond Vane

877
00:41:57,679 --> 00:41:59,760
and John Moran doesn't make them made.

878
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: You're trying to No, that's a fair point. No, that's

879
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,840
a fair point. That's a fair point.

880
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:07,199
Speaker 1: Because they can step lad. You make Milwaukee figure it

881
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:10,159
out over the off season with their stuff. If I'm Memphis,

882
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:13,199
I'm what one hundred percent yeah, doing it right.

883
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,039
Speaker 2: And also because here's the thing, you're right, Memphis also

884
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:20,679
has the benefit of youth, so for Giannis to come

885
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,360
into that lineup, he can sort of lean into the

886
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,480
youthfulness of it all. Like JJJ is still a young

887
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,199
job obviously still young. Des when baying his own like

888
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,559
what twenty six, I want to say something along those lines,

889
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,280
even saltcy al Dama for example, it's only what twenty

890
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:37,239
twenty three?

891
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,519
Speaker 1: He's a siren song of mine. I'm happy if he's good, valuable, I.

892
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: Don't I don't understand why he's not talked about. He

893
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,880
should be on the radar for so many more teams.

894
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,199
But that's again different.

895
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: He leads them in minutes per game. At this point,

896
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,880
they're not going to trade him.

897
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no, But like generally speaking down the line.

898
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:58,119
I hear it. I hear you, because they know they

899
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:01,519
will have another move needed. I feel like there's something missing.

900
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:04,519
Speaker 1: Here's so now we're getting into some of the long shots,

901
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,719
but like the West is just so lumped to get

902
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,320
Like we're talking about, if you finish seventh, there's a

903
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,480
chance you end up in the lottery. So like that's

904
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,679
why I'm going through this exercise. This is a team

905
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:16,880
I think we could easily envision. But the Lakers you

906
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,800
would just trade. You'd figure out a way to trade

907
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,760
for Yannis. Correct, it's it's the Lakers. Yeah, it's it's again,

908
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,599
it's the Miami to the opposite direction.

909
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: Of course it is, but it's the Lakers. I don't

910
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,800
anticipate them making the right call.

911
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,519
Speaker 1: That's also fair their front, that's the front. Yeah, here's

912
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:34,119
the interesting one again I'm talking about because if they

913
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:36,840
finished seventh, mm hmm. I don't know if you heard that.

914
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,880
All my things are crashing, but we have we have

915
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,079
to talk about this. If they finished seventh, there's a

916
00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:43,039
chance they end up being I'm not going to predict it.

917
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:48,440
If you're Denver, are you only flag or Yannis?

918
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,559
Speaker 2: Obviously? Are you yes? Yes?

919
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,119
Speaker 1: Yes, dude, your kids will be But like outgoing trade,

920
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:59,920
like who, so who is there? Here's a more uncomfortable question.

921
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,840
M hm who would you rather have as the money

922
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,559
the primary form of money outgoing? Would you rather it

923
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:10,119
be Aaron Gordon, Michael Porter Junior, Jamal.

924
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:15,039
Speaker 2: Murray MPJ at this point, like so, so here's the thing, So.

925
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: We just don't give a shit about you at SPA.

926
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: And no again because you can make additional moves. But

927
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,679
here's the thing, though, I think the collective IQ of

928
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,320
Giannis and Jokic on the court together and go and

929
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,199
Gordon and Gordon who is like the bully ball version

930
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:37,679
of as well. I think it kind of orites that.

931
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,199
Speaker 1: Also as valuable as MPJ is to them. And I

932
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:43,159
know people are upset with Jamal Murray at the moment.

933
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,000
His contract, of all the ones they have, is the

934
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:48,039
one that's most likely aside from zechnology of course, so

935
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:51,880
you definitely send out in that right, right, His is

936
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,639
the contract that's probably most likely to be viewed as underwater, right,

937
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,840
even more so than Murray's.

938
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: Three back surgeries. Man, Like, I know he play was

939
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,679
it eighty one games last year and that's commendable and

940
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,920
I hope for his sake he continues that pattern. But

941
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,719
if I'm sitting there as an NBA organization, I know

942
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,760
I have a way to get Giannis. I know I

943
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,199
have a guy who's had that three back surgeries and

944
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,079
I have an option to get out of it. Yeah,

945
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,239
I'm doing that, And if it cost me Cooper Flag,

946
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:24,119
then I can still trot out Nicole Jokis and Janaszmo.

947
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,079
Speaker 1: That was I think that we covered everybody that could

948
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,719
maybe feasibly be involved in that one, right.

949
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: I think we did. But look, you just indulged me

950
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,280
in two of my favorite destinations, Dallas and Denver, because

951
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,000
that is the big allure over here, over like overseas.

952
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,920
That is getting you know, two of those three European

953
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,440
superstars on the same team. Well, it's the poop thing.

954
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: If Giannis becomes available, Dallas I think would have the

955
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,400
better Like we'll forget about the number one pick. I

956
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,719
think Dallas would have the better hit package that because

957
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,920
Denver can only trade one first round pick one.

958
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:03,559
Speaker 2: Mber does not have a lot of of of uh, Like.

959
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:05,199
Speaker 1: You would need the bucks to be in love with

960
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,840
Christian Brown, Peyton Watson, Julian Strather, the Ron.

961
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:12,639
Speaker 2: Holmes, who hasn't played, which is all that's a big

962
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:14,760
ass lost by the way, I really liked him.

963
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,159
Speaker 1: I thought, unless he's gonna pull the Derek Lively and

964
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:19,719
make an impact on a contender as a rookie, I

965
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,239
think people were just I think they were just looking

966
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,679
at the gravity of the Denver's backup big situation. There

967
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,400
was nothing. I don't think there was anything there as

968
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,719
a rookie with him, but interesting. I hope he gets

969
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,360
I hope he gets well obviously. I mean just in

970
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,400
terms of the Nuggets. I don't think he would have

971
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,199
come in and bed a needle mover for them. But

972
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,800
Dallas like, if you start to talk, okay, they have

973
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,199
they could trade up the two first round picks, I think.

974
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: And then you have to keep up Lively. You would

975
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,440
have to give up Lively at that points.

976
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,079
Speaker 1: Fine, yeah, yeah, I don't know how you flesh out

977
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:51,840
the rest of that deal though, because there's not they're

978
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,159
probably gonna I would assume the Bucks would then insist

979
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:58,559
on do you want PJ Washington or Kyrie if you're them,

980
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:03,079
probably PJ. Neither of those teams that are winning Meanness

981
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:05,039
Sweepstakes without the number one pick, So it doesn't matter.

982
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:05,760
We don't need to get.

983
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 2: Into no, no, no, no, Well, well we were talking about

984
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,400
not you know, we were setting the number one pick aside,

985
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,480
like just who Well, I.

986
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,679
Speaker 1: Guess Dallas would still have the better chance just because

987
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,960
we look at the opening of like now we get

988
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,599
into twenty thirty two draft pick territory when we're talking

989
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:27,000
about next offseason, and so Dallas, Dallas owns, Dallas owns

990
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,280
their pick this year, I believe, yes, And then they

991
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,840
have twenty seven going to Charlotte very loosely protected, and

992
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,159
then they have their twenty twenty nine first is out going,

993
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,599
so they have like there's stuff that you could do

994
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:44,000
with swaps with you get into twenty thirty one, twenty

995
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,599
thirty two of it all, they would I think, have

996
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:49,559
the better chance independent of winning Cooper Flag.

997
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: I agree. And then also, let's be real, that would

998
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,480
be a more fun pairing. Like I'm not saying yes,

999
00:47:58,519 --> 00:47:59,159
wouldn't be fun.

1000
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: No, one would not get out of here.

1001
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: Oh look, having a perimeter player and having a big man,

1002
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,239
which is okay, yeah, I don't know. Fun. No, I'm

1003
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,280
not saying that Yoki Jonnas wouldn't be fun. You know

1004
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:13,639
that I'm not That's not what I'm saying.

1005
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,599
Speaker 1: I'm doing it purely from I'm thinking even like not

1006
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:20,280
even functional, but an aesthetic perspective. Right, Maybe I'm thinking

1007
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,760
about it because Jokic Jiannis aesthetically would be more entertaining.

1008
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,880
But if you're talking about.

1009
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: A prime Luka, I mean that would be fun.

1010
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,639
Speaker 1: God, I'd love to see it.

1011
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:36,119
Speaker 2: Healthy Luca is probably the better wording. Healthy Luca.

1012
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but could you just imagine like Yannis screening for Jokic.

1013
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,199
But I get honestly, the way the MAVs run their

1014
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:45,199
offense around Luca Jannis is more of an intuitive fit

1015
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,440
than the way Denver runs their offense around Jokic. Probably, right,

1016
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,239
I would argue, because you could figure out a way

1017
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,880
to use Giannis in the vein of you're using these

1018
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,199
other complimentary players. But like it's not let's have Yokis

1019
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,679
run a bunch of picking rolls with Giannis as the screener,

1020
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,119
which is like if you're doing the Day Yannis analog,

1021
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:03,719
like that's the two man game that you're looking for.

1022
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 2: For the most part, there's a lot of upside to

1023
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,840
that team. So for both teams really would be good.

1024
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: Let us know that.

1025
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,519
Speaker 2: No, I can tell you though, the big wet dream

1026
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:21,800
is getting all three of them together eventually on a team.

1027
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,159
Speaker 1: That's never like, no, not, that's not.

1028
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: And that's I've been saying that as well. But it's

1029
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,000
a question that get at least twenty times every single summer.

1030
00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: Like, if you're Yannis, you prefer to play with Luca

1031
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,519
because there is a non zero chance that Jokic just

1032
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,840
decide to retire on a women race horses.

1033
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: That's not, that's not even Look, that's honestly a real thing.

1034
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:47,679
Speaker 1: It's a non zero chance you can.

1035
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: And also I think I think his role is more

1036
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,599
streamlined in Dallas, Like you could see him kind of

1037
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:58,239
be a little bit diminished and Denver, like Jokis would

1038
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,360
grab rebounds out of his area, like he his numbers

1039
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,239
would go down in Dallas. He would have he would

1040
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,840
be he likes scoring, remember, like when he had the

1041
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,719
fifty nine, Like he wants to have sixty, like he

1042
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,840
said that, Like he likes to have the sixty point games.

1043
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,280
He likes to have the big numbers. Like Giannis is

1044
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:14,639
a little bit of a snip.

1045
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,599
Speaker 1: For Yannis, Jokic would be Maybe this is stupid to

1046
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:20,360
say that would be the most unique star pairing in

1047
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,920
NBA history, right, yeah, I would charge both one of one.

1048
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:26,159
So yeah, that was a dumb ass thing. Dan. This

1049
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,800
is look, we come full circle as we're Tozy. You

1050
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,920
introduced me and set the expectations high, and I just

1051
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,679
came in with the hottest take of all you didcast.

1052
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,559
It's a pretty unique star pairing happens.

1053
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 2: By the way. I'll close on this one though, because

1054
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,719
we there's no way we have times for biggest surprises.

1055
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,920
Now we're in our an hour and twenty five minutes

1056
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,199
into this podcast and two subjects down. Twenty twenty six, right,

1057
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,639
that was supposed to be the big year for US

1058
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:55,159
Europeans because at a couple of years ago we had

1059
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:58,519
no idea where Dallas were going, Like, we weren't sure

1060
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:01,320
what what their direction was. Then they made the finals,

1061
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,760
everything seemed a little bit more solidified. But we're circling

1062
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,360
that twenty twenty six years. Oh that's when Luke can

1063
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,800
leave and oh by that point, Wenby's probably looking really good.

1064
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,000
That would have been fun. That is off the table now,

1065
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:17,719
So yeah, another tough blow to my fellow Euros.

1066
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:22,199
Speaker 1: Well, I apologies to you. Condolences to all of you guys.

1067
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but it's it's it's really rough.

1068
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,079
Speaker 1: Who does to Dallas for figuring it out?

1069
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?

1070
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: I all people would argue they still haven't figured it out,

1071
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,360
which I guess is fair. But as I said, you

1072
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,400
come talk to me. Gave number twenty five if you

1073
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,360
want to be concerned about that. I'm probably over compensating

1074
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,800
for being too hard on them at last year's trade

1075
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,760
that I skewered the PJ. Washington, I absolutely destroyed it.

1076
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,199
And I will say though, anyone who watched PJ. Washington

1077
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,360
and Charlotte, the stuff he's done defensively in Dallas, Yeah,

1078
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,239
it's exceeded anything he ever did in Charlotte.

1079
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: So right out there I was along with you. I

1080
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:00,960
still think they gave up a ton for Gapford and Washington.

1081
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: They don't have to exactly.

1082
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, it was it was the

1083
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,239
right call. I definitely hesitated this well when they did it,

1084
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,880
I didn't love it. They proved my ass wrong. And

1085
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,239
if they're if there's a player in Jaydon Hardy as

1086
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,559
well who takes a leap at some point, this scene

1087
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:19,440
could be good. I am no longer at Dallas Skeptic

1088
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,320
regardless of what is how it's gone. Oh the first

1089
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,320
what fourteen games? I'm not really sure how many games

1090
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,400
they played around that area dan Fa Valley, thank you

1091
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,159
so much for joining the pod. We only got to

1092
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:33,440
do two topics, but at least we went long on it.

1093
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:36,280
So before you leave, covered like the entire league on

1094
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,079
that we did, and that is our m O. That

1095
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,039
is generally our m O. Let the good listeners know

1096
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:43,320
where they can find your work, sir.

1097
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: Uh go check me out on the social media machines plural.

1098
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,920
I'm at dan Fa Valley everywhere basically at d A

1099
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,679
n fav al E and more importantly, if you haven't

1100
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,599
checked out the hard one Knock podcast, we have a

1101
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:57,639
lot of fun over there. Come join our discord. The

1102
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:00,599
link to that will be in my podcast subscription if

1103
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:03,360
you google hardware Knocks. But I would argue I'd be

1104
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,440
curious that there are people who listen to well, you

1105
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,320
have the Danish community. So yeah, if you haven't checked

1106
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,199
out Hardware Knox, imagine there's a lot of in the

1107
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,360
United States crossover between my pod and your pod because

1108
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,599
you do fantastic job. So anyone who wants to consume

1109
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,039
league wide coverage in the USA, probably listens to you.

1110
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:19,320
But if you don't, go check out Hardware Knox. My

1111
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,480
co host and I have a lot of fun. You're

1112
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:23,159
not going to agree with everything we say. We're wrong

1113
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:24,920
all the time, but we do try to cop to it.

1114
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:26,239
So but we have a lot of fun over there,

1115
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,079
So come check us out.

1116
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: Love it, and we'll actually beep back again for the

1117
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,519
next episode where you and I will actually have a

1118
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:35,800
little bit of a uniform breakdown.

1119
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: Oh let's just call it. We're grading the atrocity that

1120
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:40,920
is the NBA City editioneers.

1121
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: I wanted to be polite about it, all right, Thank

1122
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,840
you so much for listening in you guys, and until

1123
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,440
we speak again, have a good one.