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Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out

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Speaker 2: I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy

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of the cult is one of the things that turned

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me away the quickest.

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Speaker 3: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and

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looked at us.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things I remember the most, where

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the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.

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It is just circling these steps like it is waiting

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for me.

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Speaker 3: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.

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They're basically like, what are you talking about.

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Speaker 1: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

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and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,

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nose and the eyes.

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Speaker 2: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't like death.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to think this time to welcome my guest tonight, Rachel.

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Thanks for coming on here and talking to me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to let the audience know a little

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bit about yourself.

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Speaker 2: Oh my name is Rachel. I live here in Indiana

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and have since ninety nine. I work here locally. I

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have a book I wrote and a coloring book I've made,

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But mostly I just mind my business and you know,

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go about my life. Until I have crazy things happen

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and I like to share or write about it.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into all the crazy stuff. You said

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you wrote a book. What is the book about?

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Speaker 2: So I actually saw you on the Confessionals and I

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did the same thing that you did. I had an

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experience and I wrote a book about it. Okay, not voluntarily. Necessarily.

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I went back to school and got my degree Inlish

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language in literature, and I had to take one writing

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class and I was like, well, I guess I'll write fiction,

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and uh, They're like, write what you know, and I

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was like, okay, so I got this really good story,

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so I'm gonna go ahead and start with that. So

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it is the first The story is a flashback in

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the first chapter, and then it's just after that everything

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fiction and it's how they resolve the issue basically.

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Speaker 1: So that's literally what I did. So the first chapter

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is almost like word for word of what happened with me.

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And then after that I had to try and make

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a story up. So I was just I'm not an

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author or anything, so I figured out. I figured out

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real quickly that I didn't know what I was doing,

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but I wrote stuff and then I ran it through

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all those things and it come back doesn't look like

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what I actually written. So I was like, it sounds good.

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It makes it look like I did knew what I

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was doing. But I was like, I don't even claim

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it at this point because the AI changed some of

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the words too much to make it sound the I'm

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not that smart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We Actually, the whole reason I finished the actual

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book was because I wanted to start a proofreading business

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and I needed I wanted titles to have, as you know,

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works that I have proof read before. So I was like, well,

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I can finish this book. I've got this story going on,

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so might as well finish it off. And so I

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just wrote it very quickly. It's actually a very short book,

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but I wanted a title to be able to have

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on my proof reading website, so that was the goal.

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Speaker 1: What did you call it? It's called the Shadow Demon,

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The Shadow Demon pretty much right to the point.

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not the first line, but the name. That's what I'm hoping.

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on Amazon?

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amount of searching. It's under it's actually under a pen name,

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because when they said write what you know, I used

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my name as the character that this happened to, and

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so rather than change the name of the character, I

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used the pen name. So it's actually under the name

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Nicole Case. And but yeah, it's Nicole Case the Shadow Demon.

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Speaker 1: I'll make sure to try and put that in the

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show notes. If you're ready, you can dive on into.

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Speaker 2: It, Okay. So I always preface this with this is

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a memory that I have had for so long that

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I am actually not sure whether it's a dream or

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whether it's real. But when I think about the facts,

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they line up they point to it potentially having happened.

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So when I was six, I spent the summer here

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in Indiana with my grandma. Me and my sister did

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and or it might not have been the entire summer,

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but as a kid, I just said, it's this. We

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spent the summer with her. It was probably just a

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couple of weeks or something, but we came up here.

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we came up here and my grandma was very into

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her church at that time, like heavily involved in her church,

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and she like set up a play date. I think

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with her it was either her pastor like pastor's family,

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or like an associate pastor, somebody involved in the church.

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a play day. So we were at the house. I

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remember the house like it's a It's an old farmhouse

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surrounded by cornfields. It was blue, and it had a

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shed that their kids used as a like a playhouse.

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it gets quite hot in the summer, and for some

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reason they played in the shed that was probably extremely hot,

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and it was not set up as a playhouse. It

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didn't have windows, it had a door, and if you

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closed the door, it was pitch black. And so we're

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in there playing, and I know my sister was there.

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but I don't necessarily remember her being there. But since

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we lived in a different states, like she lived here

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in Indiana, we lived in North Carolina, so we didn't

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see each other that often. So if she was here,

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as a six year old. And but anyway, it was

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us and at least the two of us, and I

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think three other girls, and we're playing in this their playhouse,

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and I don't know whose idea it was, but for

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some reason they decided it would be fun to all

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line up and braid each other's hair. So you're braiding

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the person's hair in front of you, which I'm pretty

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sure I didn't know how to braid at that time,

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and so I'm pretty sure I was in the front

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of the line. And so and they decide, well, we

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should shut the door and you know, be in the

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pitch black and just breik each other's hair in the

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dark in a line. And so we're in there and

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you know, everybody's going about their business of braiding hair.

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and so, stop pulling my hair. And she's like, I

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didn't do anything. Her sister like, I didn't do anything.

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to doing braiding each other, and then a few minutes later,

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she's like, how that really heart stopped? And the girl's like,

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you always blame your siblings because they're always messing with you.

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getting my hair braided, and the person who was bringing

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their hair was like, yeah, I'm braiding her hair, and

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so like she couldn't be doing it, and so we

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realized that there must be somebody else in there, and

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so like just pandemodium, you know, we're all screaming, and

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we burst out of the doors and we're running to

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the house. And I was at the back of the

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pack and I turned around to look behind me, and

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all light black figure with the exception of the eyes,

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which were red and they were glowing. And it's like

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you could he had, of course a hat, but it

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was I've heard it called a businessman stetson. It's not

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like a full cowboy hat, but it's not it's too

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small to be a fedora or the door is too

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small to be what I saw and he was chasing us,

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and when I when I turned to look back, he stopped.

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completely backed off and just stood there. But I continued running.

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is because there was They had one of those old

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aluminum screen doors, and I remember like the blue siding

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and the like the stoop, the concrete stoop that was

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maybe two steps that we ran up and ran inside it.

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the house after that. Like I remember kind of aspects

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of the house and how it was decorated, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was.

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Speaker 2: That was probably one of the scariest things I think

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I ever saw. And even even now, the lawn decorations

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that people have where it is a cutout and then

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like of a human and then you paint it black,

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I don't. I hate those things so much. Like I

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do not look at those things at all. Every time

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we drive by. If I know one's coming, I'm like,

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the passenger side window.

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Speaker 1: So there was a house somewhere I forget exactly which

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to have it was like the cowboy leaning against the

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tree cut out. It was all black, had the hat

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and everything.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, there's one on a highway around here, and

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I know it's theirs. I'm like, okay, I'm not looking

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over there on that house is invisible.

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Speaker 1: I have it out bag. It's up against my pole

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barn now, but I used to have it out front.

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made out of metal. But that'd be fine right where

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my barn is at now where I record in. It

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used to be right beside that area, but the actual

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leg parts were that goes into the ground. The welts

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popped off so it wouldn't stand up on its own,

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so I bolted it to my pulebarn out back. Yeah,

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but everyone that would drive by got a big glimpse

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of the nine foot basically like, what's buying me right now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? But yeah. I I asked my sister, I'm like,

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do you remember this? She's like, not so much, but

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she she's like my mom in that they don't remember

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a lot from either one of them remember much from

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their childhood. And I asked my cousin and she said

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she does remember it, and I'm like, okay, but I

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don't actually remember you being there, so I'm just really

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not sure. But the funny, like, the funny thing is

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past this house on a fairly regular basis and have

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no idea that that was probably one of the most

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had a daredevil childhood, Like one of my first memories

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is almost drowning. So I got bit by a dog

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when I was six as well. So I mean, I

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had some traumatic things happen when I was young. So

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but it was one of the I mean, just one

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of the things that has stuck with me for a

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Speaker 1: Now, you had similar experiences to me. I was actually

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just thinking about this earlier. And I'm not on the

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name off all of my childhood happenings. We'll say that

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for someone else's show, But uh, I didn't get bit

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by a dog, and the same cousin that cause the

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dog to get to bite me, we're also the same

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cousin that me in a pool and hold me underwater.

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there's a bunch of people around master to get anxiety

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from it, because I just remember being held down underwater

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Speaker 2: I was told not to play on the deck of

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and I tripped on a board that was like a

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loose board on the deck and fell into the pool.

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so it's not cold cold. I was wearing sweats, but no,

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like it wasn't jacket weather, I guess. But yeah, I

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remember my sister and one of her friends were We're

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all three up there playing and I'm the one who

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fell in. And then my sister's friend was like quick thinking,

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and I mean she had to have been six at

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the time, because I was four. She grabbed the like

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one of the pool tools that you like skim her

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or whatever. They had a pole, and she held the

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pole out to me, and I grabbed the pole and

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they fished me out. But and I had distinct memories

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of like bobbing up from the bottom because I couldn't

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it was over my head. I would sink at the

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bottom and then push it back up to the top,

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you know. So, yeah, that's that's a fun story as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, childhood experiences they stick with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this thing that resembled a hat man, you said

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it in your email, it had like red eyes.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Now the red eyepart, I don't know. I don't think

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I've heard too many stories of hat men where the

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people actually seeing the eyes. Usually you just see the

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silhouette of the thing. So the red the red eye

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part really stuck out to me.

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is a lot of times, I know,

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people say they associate that with sleep paralysis, which I

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don't think I've ever had in my life. But I

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don't go into deep sleep enough. I'm a light sleeper.

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the day and it was a bright, sunny day. I

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mean I remember white fluffy clouds in the sky, not

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an overcast, just blue skies, white fluffy clouds, and then

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this like it looked like a damon to me. So

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you know the green the red eyes either was the.

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Speaker 1: Right the the hat that you're talking about. I always

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told it to me. It's like the old nineteen thirties,

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nineteen forties, like gangster business manhat. That's what I always

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think of when yeah, it's the same hat that people

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report seeing, like with the UFO stuff when they claim

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men in black would show up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say that.

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Speaker 1: It's the same type of a hat like that, the

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thing that I remember, and I thought I was dreaming too.

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I always said it was a cowboy hat because that's

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the type of hat that I remembered.

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Speaker 2: But my dad wore cowboy hats and cowboy boots and

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stuff like that, so I knew the difference, you know.

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I knew it wasn't like hits.

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Speaker 1: With me. And this is why I chalked it up

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to a dream for so long as there was a

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movie that I had just watched and it was called

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Bubba Hotep and I think I've mentioned this on another episode,

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but that movie was about a mummy that came back

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and it was sucking the souls of people, and if

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I remember, writing, had a cowboy hat on. So I

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always just said is because I watched that movie recently

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and I was just dreaming about that, and that's how

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I wrote it all off. But it wasn't up until

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a few years ago and I heard about a hat Man.

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I was like, what is hat Man? And I listened

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to an episode of A and they talked about I'm like,

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that sounds creepfully very similar to what I've.

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Speaker 2: Experienced, right, I didn't know it was I guess five

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or six years ago maybe that I learned that hat

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Man was a thing. I was like, I'm sorry, what now,

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what is this called? And they're like, A hat Man?

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I was like, wait, so that's what it was. Honestly,

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I haven't go very deep into it. I've listened to

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people talk about their experiences with hat Man, but I've

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never like it's my goal. There's a book written. I

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think it's called The hat Man by somebody. I think

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her name might be Heidi something or other, and it's

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on my list of things to read, but I haven't

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done yet, so.

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Speaker 1: I know what the book is. Someone actually told me

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that I should look into getting it, and I never

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have because I'm not an avid reader. I've got I've

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got books beside me that are from guests, so I've

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gotten like free copies of their books and things, and

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I'm supposed to be reading them. I was like, I'll

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get to that, and then I get another book and

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I'm like, I want to get to that one. I

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work all day, I do stuff with family, and then

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I come out here, so I don't have the free

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time to actually read.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, Like, guys, I need you to send me the

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audio book.

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Speaker 1: That is actually something that I've actually tried to do

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is listen to books. But a lot of the things

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that I would want to listen to, I feel like

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I still don't have the time. I might when I

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have to start driving back for a couple hours for

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working purposes, and maybe I'll start doing that. But I

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haven't even been listening to podcasts in the last almost

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two years because I don't travel that far for work

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purposes anymore. Like the farthest I go is like twenty

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five minutes away for the last year and a half. Yeah,

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so I don't have a whole lot of time to

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leave catching up on everybody's.

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Speaker 2: Episodes, right, Yeah, makes it difficult.

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Speaker 1: You said you had some other experiences that you want

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to talk about some of them.

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Speaker 2: So some of my I have. I don't dream often.

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When I do, it's usually really random, weird dreams, but

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I have reoccurring themes in dreams sometimes. And one time,

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or not one time, but a few times, I had

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a dream about this place, this this house. It was

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in my dream. I went with a babysitter. She took

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me and my sister to on military basis. They have

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base of housing, which my dad's in the army, and

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we never lived on base housing, but you know, we

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were really close to the base, and so it's just

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like this apartment complex of townhouses basically, and we went

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there with my babysitter, and I swear to god, this

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was a dream, and because it was weird, because the

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house was almost completely empty, and I remember in my

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dream I went up upstairs and went to like you

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went upstairs and you turned to the left, and there

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was a bedroom at the end of that hall. And

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I went to this bedroom and it was the end

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of the row of the apartments and the room was

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completely empty, and I remember looking out the window and

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it was just very eerie. And then this was this

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was a dream. I'm fairly certain I was four, maybe

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five when I had it. But the reason it sticks out,

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the reason I even remember it at all, is because

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I had when I was I think it was I

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was seven or eight. I had these these friends that

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lived down the road and a brother and sister, and

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we started hanging out all the time, playing, riding bikes

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things like that. And they moved from their house down

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the road from us, which was like a normal neighborhood,

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not base housing. Well, they moved into base housing. The

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apartment in the Base Housing that they moved into was

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the one that I dreamt about. And the room that

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I went to that was creepy was my friend Heather.

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It was her room, and I remember when we were there,

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they said, oh, this this house, this this uh, this

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room is haunted because there was a boy, a teenager

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who lived here, committed suicide by hanging himself on the

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tree right outside this window. And they said sometimes there

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were there was woods behind the that like the Base

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housing there was woods. There was like a wooded area,

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and then there was a play kind of behind it.

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mile or so between the back of their house and

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this playground area, So I mean, not a small amount

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of traversing there, but they said that sometimes you can

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see his ghost running through those woods because he glows green,

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and we actually did see that one time, but I mean,

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it was a military base. It could have been somebody

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running with a can stick through there. But I just

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think it's one of the things that's really weird about

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is that I dreamt about that place being creepy before

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I went there, before before I was even friends with

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these people, and certainly before they moved to that area.

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And there was one aspect of like there's one area

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of the woods where you would all the kids would

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go and play, and they called it rather than the playground,

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they called it Clay Mountains. It was an area where

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it had been and like there was a a difference

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in the elevation and there were trees on the upper

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elevation and it was in red clay and like water

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had just washed away kind of a concave area, and

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so they just called it Clay Mountain because it was

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all just red dirt. And we played over there, and

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I dreamt about that place specifically as well, and I'm like,

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when we went there with my babysitter, in my dream,

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it was nighttime and so I wouldn't have gone to

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I wouldn't have gone to that place at all because

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it was just like an evening. I don't remember staying

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there necessarily in my dream, so I wouldn't have gone

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to that place. But I remember being in that place,

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that specific area in my dream too, So I just

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thought it was really strange that they, I mean, people

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come up with the whole you know, oh this is haunted.

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Oh that's haunted to scare you a lot, but I

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was more inclined to believe it after having been there

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before in a dream.

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Speaker 1: Do you think like being there in the dream, and

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I'm not trying to go all weird like psychic ability

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or anything like that, but do you think it's almost

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like a premonition of things, like you were able to

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see things before?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I guess, But like for that one, it's kind

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of pointless, like I don't understand the purpose because I'm

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not friends with them anymore. They moved away again, like

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maybe a year after they had moved into that apartment,

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and we lost contact for the most part. I can

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actually I don't remember where they moved to, but I

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feel like it was out west maybe, But I have had,

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like I my nephew is after he was born. I

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had a dream about him and he was having like

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like it was me and my mom and my sister

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and my nephew, and he was having like spots breaking

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out around his mouth and I was like, guys, he's

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having an allergic react to something. And they're like what,

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I don't what are you talking about. I'm like, no,

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he's having an allergic reaction to something. And then like

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six months later we find out he's definitely allergic to peanuts.

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So I'm like, oh, that was kind of weird.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever get deja vu?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, I do.

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Speaker 1: Does it happen often.

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Speaker 2: And not super often? And to be perfectly honest, sometime,

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like I've worked in the same job for fifteen years,

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so it's kind of like when you're having deja vu

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a job that you've worked at for fifteen years, is

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it really deja vu? Did you just literally do this already?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: And then like this this is a new house. I've

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lived here for about a year now, but my last

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house I lived in for twelve years, you know, kind

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of the same house. You know, you go do the

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same thing in the house repeatedly, and you're like, well,

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I've been here for twelve years. What are the odds

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I haven't done this before? And that's why I think

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it's deja vou. But yeah, I do get it sometimes

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and I'm just like, noah, no, this seems more dejavou

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than normal.

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Speaker 1: I get it often, and it's never anything of any relevancy.

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It's just it's very strange. Like someone will say something

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and I'm just like, oh, I've already seen this before, yeah,

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and like there's no reason for it that I'm aware of.

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But when you talk to other people say things like

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this or look into stuff like this, they claim that

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maybe it's because like our reality. And again, this isn't

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going on the whole out there theme, but we're making

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we're remembering that specific part because we something afterwards, and

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we didn't do it correctly the first time, so now

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we're doing it again. I was like, well, that's almost

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very simulated sounding, so right, it's.

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Speaker 2: Like you didn't you didn't perform your functions correctly last time.

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I should try that again right this time.

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00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,279
Speaker 1: So I don't know how much true to that there is, right,

478
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:26,160
But I don't know. It's it is interesting because I've

479
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,839
noticed that some people have not so much, like I said,

480
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,440
premonitions or whatever. But if you find out people have

481
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,680
been able to see things, they dream these things and

482
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,880
you ask them about deja vu, oh yeah, they experienced

483
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,079
how too. So I don't know how it all correlates together.

484
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:46,079
Speaker 2: But and like I had, I remember one of the

485
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,279
houses that we lived in North Carolina at I remember

486
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:53,039
having a dream and it was a very weird dream.

487
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,599
I walked I was in the master like walked in

488
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,880
the master bedroom, and it looked like our house, but

489
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,160
there was this woman there and she was ghostly and

490
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,039
you know, glowing and wearing a white nightgown, and she

491
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,359
kept pointing to this white spot on the floor and

492
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,359
it was like a white like stain on the floor,

493
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,599
basically like just like a puddle, big puddle. And I

494
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,960
was like, well, that's really really strange. And then sometime

495
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:30,599
after that dream, I had heard that someone might have

496
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,599
been murdered, but I think they said it was in

497
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:35,880
the house next to that one, so not that house.

498
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:39,279
And I'm like, hmm, I wonder if I dreamt about

499
00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:41,920
that or because I didn't know about it beforehand, it

500
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,119
was sometime afterwards.

501
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: But this is something and I don't know if I've

502
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,400
talked about it prior. But when something happens traumatic in

503
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,759
an area and people are like, oh, the house is

504
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:56,279
haunted because it happened in the house. What contains the

505
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,920
energy to that house? And someone says, oh, the proper

506
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,440
pretty hanted. Well, how do these things know? Property lines?

507
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,640
Like this is all just made up stuff that we

508
00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:07,559
humans have said this, this is where my property ends.

509
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,559
What makes them abide by those non universal like rules

510
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:18,039
just because party line, our made up lines say they

511
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:20,799
can't cross through here. I just stepped two feet across

512
00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:23,119
my property. You have to stay over there, mister ghost.

513
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: Exactly. No. Sorry, these property lines here, they're like they're

514
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,519
going to block you. Sorry.

515
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,559
Speaker 1: That's why I've always thought it was strange when people say, oh,

516
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:36,640
my house is haunted, Well, your neighbor's like five feet away.

517
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,759
Why aren't they having experiences over their laws of different houses, Like, yeah,

518
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:43,200
I get that, but what contains it to this house?

519
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,279
Like why is everything contained to a house?

520
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: I suppose it has something to do with them being

521
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,000
attached to that house, not necessarily and not the neighbor's house.

522
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:57,200
Like if it was their house, m m they you know,

523
00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:02,960
they would feel more comfortable there, I guess maybe, or

524
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,559
if you go on the theory that you know, ghosts

525
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:12,200
are just like the energy that like they're just doing

526
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,000
the same thing that they always did in their lifetime,

527
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:15,680
Like they're going to if they went to get the

528
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,480
mail at three fifteen every day when they're alive, they're

529
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,880
going to go to get the mail three fifteen every

530
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:19,559
day when they're dead.

531
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: Almost like a residual haunting type of the thing.

532
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was looking for. But then they

533
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:28,839
wouldn't go to they wouldn't wander over at the neighbor's

534
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:31,799
house unless they did that a lot in real life.

535
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:32,440
I guess.

536
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,519
Speaker 1: I just always find it interesting that when you hear

537
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:42,720
people having these experiences or whatever, and we'll dive into

538
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,240
my own crap, like we have weird stuff here and

539
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:49,160
there's really no reason as to why there should be.

540
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:56,000
M Yeah, I've been told by random people here in

541
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:57,839
the last couple of months because I was in an

542
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:01,440
event and I was talking and they had to be

543
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,960
being a speaker, and someone come up right afterwards and

544
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:07,960
was telling me that, So like, again, I'll dive it

545
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:13,519
into it, but basically it's my land. And then some

546
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,000
miles later in the day, I was like, do you

547
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,319
have trees around your places? Like I live in rural Indiana?

548
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:21,759
What do you expect? Like that's kind of like to me,

549
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:25,839
it's almost like they're fishing for stuff, and by whatever

550
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,440
you answer, I'm very skeptical psychic people or whatever. I

551
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,599
always feel like they're trying to not so much like

552
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:39,200
con people, but at the same time, it's almost that way.

553
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,960
I feel like, so when they're asking questions and you

554
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,920
get certain answers, they go into the next thing, and

555
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,319
like you're setting them up by giving them information. So

556
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:48,200
I'm not very open about a lot of stuff.

557
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: And yes, yeah, but.

558
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: The things that they were asking were like, is there

559
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,599
any water nearby? Well? Again, which direction you go? You're

560
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:02,160
going to run in the water at some point? Yeah,

561
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,119
it's all vague stuff, right, I feel.

562
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:13,599
Speaker 2: I'm pretty far from any water, like halfway, like the

563
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:17,640
Miss Cinema runs through here, but it's a good little

564
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,200
while away from here. And then we have the White

565
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:24,440
River as well, and again it's pretty far away from me,

566
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,960
I mean miles. You know you're not going to walk there, right.

567
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:34,319
Speaker 1: Luckily for me, I am it's mac dab in the

568
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,880
middle between the ill in the Wabash and just a

569
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,359
few miles from where the miss Sinewa runs into the Wabash.

570
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,440
So I have all this great little combobulation of river

571
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,480
systems a run right around where I live, so I

572
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,559
get all the weird stuff.

573
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, my mom used to live on the

574
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,480
Missis Cinema as well. I mean there was a cornfield

575
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,480
in between her house, but actually it wrapped around, so

576
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,200
there was a corn field in one direction and then

577
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,480
on the other side there was a house, a road house,

578
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:11,559
and then the river. But I can't I mean, I

579
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:16,279
don't remember anything really weird happening there, but I didn't want.

580
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:20,039
Now that I think about sharing the story of the Shadow,

581
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,960
the hat man or whatever, I think about how my

582
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,559
mom's house it has the shed set up like that house,

583
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:28,960
and I was like, what if it's that house? But

584
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:31,279
I was like, no, the back door is not placed right,

585
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:33,519
and the front stoop isn't or mean the back stoop

586
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:39,000
there is no unless they revamped the laundry room, it's

587
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,440
not it. And I seem to remember that house being

588
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,559
two stories as well, so I'm like, well, that's not it.

589
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: Then now in your email, you said that they were

590
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,079
it was your sister too, wasn't it. And then there's

591
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,839
a couple other little girls and they didn't ever mention

592
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:57,880
anything about it.

593
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of. And it's like, if I

594
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,119
met these other girls on the street today, like there's

595
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,640
good possiblity I actually do know them, because if they

596
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,239
stayed in town, then you know, my job is actually

597
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,519
very front facing, like I know a lot of people

598
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:16,199
in town, so I come across a lot of people,

599
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,599
like people I went to high school with, and but

600
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:22,599
if I saw them, I would never know it was

601
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,079
them because I don't even know I remember their names,

602
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,440
No remember how many girls there were, and I don't

603
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,800
remember their names at all. So but yeah, I've asked

604
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,519
my sister, and my sister was like, I don't I mean,

605
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,119
maybe that happened, And I'm like, well, I really like

606
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:42,679
you remember that. I think she remembers playing. I don't

607
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:46,840
think she remembers, like maybe she didn't look backwards, you know,

608
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:52,800
maybe nobody else looked backwards besides me. But I mean

609
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,199
if they didn't, then it would just be like this,

610
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,039
you know, weird thing that happened in a shed one day,

611
00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:00,199
and then that's all that there was why you know.

612
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,079
Speaker 1: I understand like you weren't familiar with like hat man

613
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:08,159
or whatever back then, but you called it a demon

614
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,400
obviously just because of the red eyes or why did

615
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,840
you think it was a demon? Okay?

616
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 2: Pretty much? Honestly, I never called it anything until I

617
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,559
wrote the book. I had to come up with a name,

618
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:21,639
and I was like, Oh, that works. That that's good.

619
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,039
Because it looked like a shadow and had glowing red eyes.

620
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:25,519
I'm like, oh, it's obviously a demon. You know.

621
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: Weird that I mentioned that D word and then my

622
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,559
screen over here just decides to shut off by itself.

623
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:34,840
I'm going to kick back on so anyone watching the video,

624
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,360
you noticed that my screen went off right when I

625
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,559
talked about demon, So goes along with some of the

626
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:42,599
other things around here. We'll just leave it to that.

627
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:50,000
The other night, completely off topic. But I have a

628
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:53,079
setup to where I record over here and it's my road

629
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,960
cast or whatever, and I had forgot to stop recording,

630
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,480
so it recorded for thirteen hours straight until I came

631
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:01,320
back out here the next day and it was still recorder.

632
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,840
I was like, oh, I turn it off. So I

633
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,119
had stopped. Now I have thirteen hours of recording to

634
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:08,760
go back and listen to see if I picked up

635
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:14,000
any weird noises. Yeah, there's any random EVPs or anything

636
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,440
out here from all the weird stuff, because the whole

637
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,039
point of me coming out here was a tray and

638
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:21,320
get all the weird stuff to be away from the house,

639
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,440
away from the house and be contained out here. Because

640
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,840
it's weird that when people do things like what I

641
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,519
do another podcasts or whatever, if you talk to them,

642
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,719
sometimes they say that they get more activity ever since

643
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,440
they started doing stuff like this, and a lot of

644
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,039
people think it's because you're opening doorways. By talking about

645
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,360
you're giving that the energy, you're giving it the attention,

646
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,840
so somehow you're inviting it.

647
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: Hi.

648
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,159
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I've never invited anything in and

649
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:52,000
I've always said nothing's allowed in here. But since i've

650
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,920
been out here doing this, I have cameras out here,

651
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,719
and I have caught weird things happening in here on

652
00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:59,360
my camera.

653
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 3: Huh.

654
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,079
Speaker 1: So now I need to go back and listen to

655
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:06,280
like twelve hours worth of silence just to see if

656
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,320
there's something on there.

657
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: Kayo, maybe an owl?

658
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: What kyo kyote do is a weird thing. Because I

659
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,400
was out here a couple of weeks ago, and shit,

660
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,719
you not, I heard I hear something ground. I have

661
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,599
my headphones on, so I'm hearing what I'm listening to.

662
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:27,360
But I heard something very close and I heard growling,

663
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:32,440
and I'm like, so I hit pause and I'm hearing

664
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,800
it again. I was like, what is it? I was

665
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,960
like when I start hearing the yapping and all, I

666
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,800
was like, Oh, I bet they're back screwed around my

667
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,079
ghosts or chicken. So I go outside and it seems

668
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:43,880
like a step out that stops. But I hit record

669
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,119
on my camera on my phone. As I go out there,

670
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:48,880
you hear me hit my table and big thud from

671
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,519
Max trying to get around it to hurry up and

672
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:52,920
get out. But then the noises of the coyo is

673
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,840
just completely silence. I was like, well, that's strange, Like

674
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,639
they instantly just stopped as soon as I opened the door.

675
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,159
But yeah, the growling part was very very close. It

676
00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:06,280
was enough to where I heard it over the headphones.

677
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,280
And I actually went back and listened to the audio

678
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,840
again to make sure it wasn't something on that and

679
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,559
it was not on my audio. M So again more

680
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,320
weird stuff. Yeah, it seems to yeah, seems to follow me. Maybe,

681
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:20,719
I don't know.

682
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. For me, I kind of wondered whether talking about

683
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,000
this would like kick up anything. But I've told the

684
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:31,840
story a couple times now.

685
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:34,639
Speaker 3: And so far, so good.

686
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna not go blood here and make

687
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,400
sure you know loops like, get a good night's sleep tonight.

688
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: You said you're a very you're not a deep sleeper.

689
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:50,199
No I'm not either, But and you said you never

690
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,119
had sleep paralysis, which I get that every once in

691
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:57,800
a while very maybe like a couple of times a year.

692
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,679
And to me, it's just I'm not awake. I don't

693
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,360
ever think of it as sleep paralys is like to me,

694
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,079
I'm still in that dream state. I'm half awake, half asleep.

695
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:10,000
So I'm looking around and I'm still asleep, but my

696
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:13,760
body is not fully awake. I don't correlate it to

697
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,400
every time that that happens, that there's a demon beating

698
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,159
on me or whatever, like some people do, right.

699
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: I have heard was someone recently that when you're in

700
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,599
REM sleep, your brain sends out signal to like basically

701
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,880
paralyze you, because you know, when you're INMS sleep is

702
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,400
when you're dreaming and you're doing all those so that

703
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,440
you don't do all those weird things that you're doing

704
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,079
in your dreams. They that's why your brain paralyzes you.

705
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,239
And so that's the explanation of why, because you're still

706
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,400
in rem sleep when you wake up, and that's why

707
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,000
you're paralyzed because your brain is still in rem sleep.

708
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:50,880
That's the explanation I heard.

709
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:57,039
Speaker 1: They have all sorts of explanations for everything, but I'm

710
00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:58,320
not going to say that they're wrong.

711
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, I have one of the reoccurring dream themes

712
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,239
that I do have. It's a very straight It's I

713
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,679
am dreaming that I am in my bed in the

714
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,440
I've had this happen in three separate houses, and it's

715
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,800
always in that specific house. And I dream that a

716
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,199
spider falls from the ceiling onto my face or my head,

717
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:27,960
and so I actually jump out of bed, and I

718
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,280
guess I'm awake, but I haven't opened my eyes yet.

719
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:32,679
I opened my eyes standing up beside my bed, like

720
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,559
looking back, like looking for the spider, like where is

721
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:36,320
the spider? Oh my god, I cannot have a spider

722
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,079
in my bed. You know, I've had it happen like

723
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,199
at least four or five times, and I'm lucky that

724
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,480
I'm always in the correct house, because if I'm not

725
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:47,960
in the correct house, I could, you know, try and

726
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,519
throw myself off the bed in the wrong direction and

727
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:53,400
land in a wall or you know, a dresser or

728
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,360
something like that. But yeah, I literally wake up standing

729
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,559
next to my bed looking for that spider, and then

730
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:02,199
it takes me a really long time fall back asleep

731
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,840
because my heart is.

732
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:10,519
Speaker 1: Counting that energy from thinking the spiders on you. I've

733
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:14,000
had something like that happen not too long ago. But

734
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,440
I felt something on my face and I didn't jump

735
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,800
out of bed. I just instantly grab whatever it was

736
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:24,320
through it and then I realized, like I probably should

737
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,519
have seen what it was that I threw. Yeah, yeah,

738
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:29,159
but I never got up and looked for because I

739
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:30,519
didn't want to know at that point. I just wanted

740
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:31,159
to stay in bed.

741
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:32,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

742
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,559
Speaker 1: So, my biggest struggle is between my wife and I.

743
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:40,920
Were usually have a child in between the beds, so

744
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,480
we either have my son or my daughter or both.

745
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,639
Because she'll be six, she'll still come into our bedroom

746
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,239
says she has bad dreams and then wants to come

747
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,840
go to bed, and then the three year old we

748
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,320
had to move his bed into our room, even though

749
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,360
for the most part he's always been in his own room.

750
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,880
We never had a price here. Recently, he wants to

751
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,360
be in our room all the time watching our TV,

752
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,320
so we just kind of moved his bed in here,

753
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,239
even though he has his own TV. We converted his

754
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:17,159
bedroom into my wife's workspace. So, yeah, his bed's now

755
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,119
in our room. And then he'll sleep in his bed,

756
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:21,400
but then in the middle of the night he'll want

757
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,719
to get up between us. So I need a bigger bed.

758
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,079
I don't think that. Yeah, we have a queen and

759
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:30,320
we've been talking about getting in Kingsiz's bed. I was like, well,

760
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,079
we got anything bigger than that, because we need one

761
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:33,239
for like four people.

762
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yep.

763
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you've had happened to you

764
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,360
that you'd like to talk about?

765
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,039
Speaker 2: You know a couple actually, the more recent ones that

766
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,719
is interesting. I actually just remember this story today because

767
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,960
I was listening to somebody else talk about an experience

768
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:53,360
and my grandma died, the same grandma that I was

769
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,360
staying with. She died. I think I was about almost

770
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,400
twenty or twenty one, and I remember, so I sleep

771
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,199
at the TV on and I have since I was

772
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,679
maybe eight or so. I actually would go and sleep

773
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,079
in our spare bedroom because that's where the TV was,

774
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:11,199
and I would just sleep on the floor because I

775
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:14,199
have trouble shutting my brain off, and I would put

776
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,559
the show on the TV. In the TV it helps

777
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,480
my brain to disengage and sleep. And so because I

778
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,480
sleep with the TV on, you know, it's always wake

779
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:30,719
up and it's light in my room. And then the

780
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,039
night that my grandma, she had died of that morning,

781
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,519
but that next like that night when I went to bed,

782
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,800
I woke up in the movement night and looked at

783
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,719
my TV and like in between the TV there was

784
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,119
a black like kind of like a cloud, you know,

785
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,079
like not really a figure necessarily, but just the black

786
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:57,719
something or other, and it blocked the light from the TV.

787
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,840
And I actually remember my mom saying that she had

788
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,400
the same thing happened when my great grandfather died. I

789
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,360
didn't have it happened, but it happened to her the

790
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,199
day of the night that he died. And so it

791
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,760
never really like I never made a big deal out

792
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,039
of it because I was like, oh, well, that's that's

793
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:15,679
the same thing that happened to her. So that's that

794
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,000
just that must be what it is when you die,

795
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:21,800
you go check out your grandchildren while they're sleeping for something.

796
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,400
I don't know.

797
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,639
Speaker 1: It was kind of like a black mass or like

798
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:26,880
a black shadow or yeah, like not.

799
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: Even a shadow, just more like a mass.

800
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:36,639
Speaker 1: I haven't I interviewed someone recently as actually by the

801
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:38,360
time the stars of that episode will alread to be out.

802
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,079
But I met him when I was down in Tennessee

803
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,039
recording with Tony. He was someone that is friends with Tony.

804
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:50,280
He actually came into the studio, but he talked about

805
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,079
a black mass that was like right over his face,

806
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,679
kind of like hover and around there.

807
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

808
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: And I've heard other people talk about these black matts

809
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,639
like they don't have definitive shapes, but they're like a

810
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:08,400
black presence. And to be honest, anytime I've heard about them,

811
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:16,559
they're more like I'm gonna type things. They're more nefarious.

812
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:18,199
I would say, Well.

813
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 2: I just I went back to sleep, like I woke up,

814
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,440
I saw it, and I was like, oh, oh, that's weird, Okay,

815
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:28,760
I went back to sleep. Now didn't even like, you know,

816
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,840
because sometimes you have a nightmare and it's like, yeah,

817
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,320
I didn't want to stay awake for a little while

818
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,119
now because I don't want to go back into that dream,

819
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:39,119
thank you no, But uh yeah I was. That was

820
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,079
just like no, it's that's just my grandma. That's fine.

821
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,559
I'm just gonna go back to sleep now.

822
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: That is the one thing. I don't get a whole

823
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,559
lot of nightmares, which I'm kind of grateful for that.

824
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,320
I just get really screwed up dreams.

825
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:55,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just really I have really weird, weird, random

826
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:02,320
like odd things. But since I don't I don't have

827
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,280
I have what I call anxiety dreams, where there are

828
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,519
things that give me anxiety but not if there's anybody

829
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:11,920
else that they would never consider it a nightmare. But

830
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,480
like I don't. I don't like heights, and so all

831
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:19,039
have dreams where, in order to leave like some sort

832
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:23,679
of shopping center, the stairs have like this huge gap

833
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,000
in them, like a six foot gap, and people in

834
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:28,320
my dream are just jumping that gap like it's just

835
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,760
a normal thing, and I'm like trying to prepare myself

836
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,239
to jump over this gap, and it's just it's what

837
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,760
I just call them anxiety dreams. But since I've lived

838
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,039
in this house. I've I've had two nightmares, like I

839
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:44,199
would call them nightmares, and I'm like, this is weird.

840
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,760
I don't I don't like that because I don't have nightmares.

841
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,360
I mean, these are these are ones where I'm like, yeah,

842
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,719
I don't want to I'm gonna stay awake for a

843
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,880
little bit and go ahead and just maybe play a

844
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,559
game on my phone or something real quick to reset

845
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:55,079
my mind.

846
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:03,079
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh, I like when I wake up and

847
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,280
I feel like I'm levitating and I jerk real bad

848
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,719
and I fall back into the bed. I like, was

849
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,000
I actually levitating or was I just because it usually

850
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:10,840
dreams like when you're falling and all of a sudden,

851
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,719
I land and hit the bed like I'm right before

852
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,320
I hit the ground. I always like hit my bed.

853
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well I'd rather hit the bed than the ground.

854
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: So some I've talked to some people before and this

855
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,079
is there's there's episodes that have been out, so people

856
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:27,599
are kind of like roll their eyes up. We talked

857
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:29,840
about this on previous stuff. But like I've always wondered,

858
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,920
like if you die in your dream, m hm, do

859
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,599
you die in real life? I know a lot of

860
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:39,400
people say you don't. And I've had dreams that are

861
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,679
screwed up that I've been at my own funeral before.

862
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, technically you didn't die though.

863
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,559
Speaker 1: I didn't die in the dream, but I was dead

864
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:50,320
in the dreaming.

865
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I it's funny. Sometimes I will have like the

866
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:06,039
very very rarely, I will have an extremely vivid, realistic

867
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:09,280
dream like I'm actually writing a second book, even though

868
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,760
I say all the time I'm not a writer, I

869
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,760
don't want to be a writer, but I'm writing a

870
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,880
second book about this dream. Because in this dream, I

871
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:20,679
was like, it was like it was like a movie.

872
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,159
It was like watching a movie. I was seeing this

873
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,400
scene from above and I'm in the middle of this

874
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,679
scene where it's like kind of like a Poltergeist scene

875
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:31,639
where there's these two girls that are college girls and

876
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,760
their stuff flying off of shelves and stuff like that,

877
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,960
and I'm like, wow, that is an incredibly odd dreaming.

878
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,960
I don't know if other people have dreams where they

879
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,840
aren't like I wasn't a character in the dream. I

880
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,480
was just watching the dream happen. And so I'm like, well,

881
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,599
that's that's a new book for me.

882
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 3: Then.

883
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,599
Speaker 2: So I've been writing that for like three years now,

884
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:56,119
ollen off.

885
00:48:56,199 --> 00:49:00,119
Speaker 1: So do you ever see yourself in your dreams?

886
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

887
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: I have a couple of times that I can remember,

888
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,599
Like usually when people dream, you dream in the first person,

889
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:13,960
like how we are right now, like looking right. I

890
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:17,719
remember in some dreams that I've seen myself doing stuff,

891
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,199
like so I'm watching my own self do thing.

892
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: It just is strange, Yeah, it would be. I don't

893
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,760
think I've ever done that. I think I've been like

894
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,320
invisible in my dreams where I will watch other people

895
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,039
doing things and it's it's like I'm not there again,

896
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:35,880
kind of like it like in the last one, only

897
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,519
it's I'm not like watching from above, but I'm just

898
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:42,639
a spectator watching things happen.

899
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:48,559
Speaker 1: It makes me wonder if we don't leave, like when

900
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:50,360
we fall asleep and we start dreaming, it's like, are

901
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:55,480
we experiencing what happens elsewhere? Like I say, there is

902
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:59,639
multiple universe or multiple decisions, Like I said, if it

903
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:03,239
is a whole simulated type of thing like that, I

904
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,960
just astral travel the astral plane and go into a

905
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,239
different realm to where I'm watching myself mow the lawn.

906
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: Like oh, it's like that I'm not in that reality

907
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:13,960
right now.

908
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,119
Speaker 1: Actually, I enjoy mowing, so I wouldn't be my I

909
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:21,039
was actually thinking about that earlier. I can't wait till

910
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:24,639
the worms backup so I can mow. That's I really

911
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:26,519
am a middle aged dad at this point, because that's

912
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:28,159
why Highlight is mowing my art.

913
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just ready for it to not be covered

914
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:32,320
in snow.

915
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't like living in an area where I walk

916
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,920
outside and my face is burning from being cold. No

917
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,239
one understands that reference, but like when you walk outside

918
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,880
and it feels like your face is on fire because

919
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,800
it's so bitterly cold, Yeah, that's how it feels here

920
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,000
sometimes when you walk outside in that wind itch.

921
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 2: Or like when it hurts your nose to breathe in. Yeah,

922
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:58,280
that's no fun.

923
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: My wife says she wants to live somewhere where it

924
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,800
doesn't hurt her face when she walks outside. I was like, yeah,

925
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,360
I understand your reference, because that's it is that way,

926
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,400
and it sucks. Sometimes I have to work outside.

927
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 2: A lot, so yeah, yeah. I saw some drive into

928
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,199
the store today and I saw people working outside. I

929
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,360
was like, oh man, today's a terrible day for that.

930
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:24,679
Speaker 1: So about ten. I think it was eleven years ago.

931
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: Now.

932
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:30,039
Speaker 1: We had a horrific snowstorm that came with an Arctic

933
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:33,679
blast and it was negative forty five or negative fifty degrees.

934
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that.

935
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: You could throw water in the air to instantly turn

936
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,960
to ice. I was out working in that. I worked

937
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,960
for the Highway Department at the time, so we had

938
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,800
to plow the roads and after that was all done,

939
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,719
they wanted us to go out and fix potholes. So

940
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,159
it was negative twenty five degrees, like, the actual temperature

941
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:57,280
was negative twenty five plus the wind chill, and we're

942
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,920
out there trying to put asphalt in these holes. Yeah,

943
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,320
this is the worst day of my life. Literally, I

944
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,639
felt like it is so freaking cold.

945
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:13,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty outrageous. Actually. Yeah. I had

946
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,840
a coworker. He came over and shoveled my driveway so

947
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,599
I could go to work. And then the pipes were

948
00:52:18,599 --> 00:52:20,480
frozen and work, so I couldn't go to work anyway.

949
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:22,920
So you're like, well, I guess we're all gonna be open.

950
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,159
I was like, okay, great, I'm so glad Shay came

951
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:28,599
and shoveled my driveway and negative forty degrees for me

952
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:29,880
not to go anywhere.

953
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: I've been kind of bitter about the whole situation because

954
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,920
I no longer work there. So ever since I left

955
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,199
because I hated having to be on call during the winter,

956
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,320
I still do the same normal job that I used

957
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,639
to do for the Highway Department. I oversee construction stuff.

958
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,559
But this what I do now. I work for a

959
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:52,639
private company and we don't have anything to do with

960
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:55,599
that aspect to it, so I don't have to be

961
00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:58,679
out plowing roads. But ever since I've left the state

962
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,800
five years ago, it's like we haven't really had into

963
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,599
the snow like we used to. I felt like I

964
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:05,719
was always working. It's like now that I've been gone,

965
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,880
it's like, doesn't seem like we get like the snowstorms

966
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:09,559
that we were getting.

967
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:15,159
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I mean it's been a very very

968
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,960
light for snow in the last like seven years or so.

969
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not been everything. I kept seeing claims this

970
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,400
was going to be like one of the worst winters

971
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,239
in the last decade. I was like, well, we'll see,

972
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,119
and so far it hasn't really done much of anything.

973
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: Right. Somebody told me that it was supposed to be

974
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,000
really mild winter, and I was like, all right, well whatever,

975
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:40,840
I'm just gonna do what I always do, so see, I.

976
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. I guess I was, Let bring

977
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,039
it on. I've got my heaters, I've got everything else

978
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:48,360
I need, so we stock up on food. So if

979
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,880
it comes into a big snowstorm, cool, I'm gonna be

980
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,440
warm and toasty and not worry.

981
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: About it exactly. Yep.

982
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:58,079
Speaker 1: Well, we've been going on for about an hour. Is

983
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:00,360
there anything else you'd like to discuss where we can

984
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,199
wrap the swamp.

985
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,679
Speaker 2: I do have one last story that happened. This is

986
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,159
the most recent story that's happened to me, and it's

987
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:17,119
still somewhat puzzling. Like I had gone through my closets

988
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:20,280
at my house and I painted all of them white

989
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,280
because they were all like painted ugly colors, and I

990
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,840
was just like, you know what, they just they could

991
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,320
be white. And then I'll put everything back in there

992
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,920
and I'll organize everything. And I have this you call

993
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,679
it a boombox. It's not really like what you think

994
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:35,679
I want to do when you say boombox. It's just

995
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:41,440
a portable CD player, cassette player, AMFM radio and it

996
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:43,719
has this you know, the toggle switch on it you

997
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,039
to switch back and forth between these all of the

998
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:52,039
you know, modes or whatever. And it takes six C batteries.

999
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:58,480
And I had organized my closets and put everything back

1000
00:54:58,519 --> 00:54:59,480
in there, and that was one of the things that

1001
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,239
got put back in there. I actually didn't know there

1002
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,719
were batteries in there, that's how long they were in there.

1003
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:10,320
And I was at home, like I think I did that,

1004
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,119
like on a Sunday maybe, and I'm pretty sure it

1005
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:17,199
was Tuesday evening around like seven o'clock or something like that.

1006
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:23,039
I start hearing this like noise, and I'm very like, why,

1007
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,119
why am what am I hearing? What is this right now?

1008
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,280
And it sounded like the radio, And so I'm going

1009
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,960
back and I'm trying to I'm like I was in

1010
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,840
the living room. I could hear it in the back

1011
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,679
of the house. So I'm walking back there to try

1012
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,760
and figure out what in the world I'm hearing. And

1013
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,239
I get back there and it's this boom box that

1014
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,960
was on and it had like the switch had been

1015
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:47,960
pushed to I guess I think it was the radio

1016
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:52,400
because there were no CDs in there, so and certainly

1017
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,840
not a cassette in there, and so it's I pull

1018
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,920
it out and I'm like, what and why is this?

1019
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:01,199
How is this even on? There are not any batteries

1020
00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:03,320
in here, and I opened up and there were batteries,

1021
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,760
but some I'm like, I don't understand how that happened.

1022
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:12,159
How did I know? I messed with it the past weekend,

1023
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,559
and then three days later it starts playing on like

1024
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,440
radio station, which I I don't even know what radio

1025
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,239
station it was on. It happened to be one that

1026
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,639
came through without the antenna, which you know, there's not

1027
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,320
many of those that do that here because you'd have to.

1028
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:34,400
We have one local station that's a really kind of

1029
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,239
like a powerful broadcasting station, and that's about it. And

1030
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,239
so I was like, this is just really odd. So

1031
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,039
I turned it off and then put it back in

1032
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:47,280
the closet. But I was just like, that's that's unusual.

1033
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:54,280
But I think that was the only strange thing that

1034
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:55,880
I had happened in that house that I had lived

1035
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,159
in for, you know, twelve years the entire time I

1036
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:03,239
was there. Which the couple that the couple that I

1037
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,480
bought the house from, they were the original owners of

1038
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:12,639
the house. And there's potential that the guy the husband

1039
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,480
actually died in the house, but I don't really know

1040
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:17,199
that for sure. But it's kind of funny because the

1041
00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:20,360
whole time I lived there and never felt me like

1042
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,840
creepiness until until that happened. And I was like, Okay,

1043
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:25,599
what what is that?

1044
00:57:26,719 --> 00:57:29,559
Speaker 1: So, do you have a dog or a cat?

1045
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 2: Yes?

1046
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: I thought I just saw something behind your arm.

1047
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:38,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a white German shepherd as well. Okay,

1048
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,920
I have been sleeping. He moved to the hallway.

1049
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: I have a female white German shepherd.

1050
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:44,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1051
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: So interesting. Now, I literally thought I just saw something.

1052
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,800
I was talking to someone a while back and there

1053
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:58,239
was something on camera moving in the background, and I

1054
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:04,239
was like, that's interesting, but I don't know whatever it

1055
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:09,000
ended up being. But so we I usually don't do

1056
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:12,760
video recording, so I don't ever get to see the people. Well,

1057
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,000
we don't ever get to talk this way. But and

1058
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:19,119
then when I'm talking and everything, and I start to

1059
00:58:19,159 --> 00:58:21,480
notice things in the backgrounds, like we're talking about weird stuff,

1060
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,880
so I'm expecting something I'm popping out from behind you

1061
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:26,119
and freak me out.

1062
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:30,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's a he's an old man. He decided

1063
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:32,320
he doesn't want to lay in here anymore beside me,

1064
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,280
So he's gonna go lay in the hallway. Now, there

1065
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,119
was a cat that's been through here too, so she's

1066
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:39,079
coming and hollered a couple times.

1067
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: Nice.

1068
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,119
Speaker 2: So if you hear weird noise, it does not really

1069
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:44,360
sound like a cat. Me out and that was her, Okay.

1070
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,119
Speaker 1: It's always always good to know if there's anything else

1071
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:50,000
in the background that can make some weird noises.

1072
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:50,679
Speaker 3: I don't.

1073
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: I don't find tooth comb everything. When it comes to

1074
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,719
these type of episodes or whatever, I just pretty much

1075
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:58,239
leave them be.

1076
00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:01,559
Speaker 2: So there was what helicopter that came through at one

1077
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:01,960
point two.

1078
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: So I get cars to drive by a lot, and

1079
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,519
sometimes you hear them, sometimes you don't. Usually if the

1080
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:09,719
guys at a drive by with the big, loud, jacked

1081
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,639
up trucks that have to sound ridiculously loud for unknown reasons,

1082
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:17,079
then they might get picked up. For the most part, though,

1083
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:18,639
I don't really hear a whole lot out here.

1084
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that helicopter was shaking some and stuff around here.

1085
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,360
I was like, what is that, Oh, it's a helicopter.

1086
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: So well, Rachel, it's been a pleasure talking to you.

1087
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: It's been nice talking to you as well.

1088
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: You want to let everyone know where they can find

1089
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,719
your book at one more time what it's called.

1090
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:42,639
Speaker 2: And it is called The Shadow Demon by Nicole case

1091
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,880
So and it is available on Amazon.

1092
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: If you'd like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels,

1093
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,079
remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tells podcast at

1094
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:53,639
gmail dot com or go to Tinfoil Tales dot com

1095
00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:55,800
and go to the contact section. Make sure to follow

1096
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,519
me around on all the social medias, and just remember

1097
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,239
truth comes at a cost. Are you willing to pay

1098
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:09,639
the price? I heard a story be laid last night

1099
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:16,800
about something alert along a wood line, huge foot print, strange.

1100
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,119
Speaker 3: Lights in the sky. They claim it's nothing, but I

1101
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:25,679
know they light it sees her laughing to laugh in

1102
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:30,480
my face. But something about this makes me say, what

1103
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:33,280
if it's real? What if they knew?

1104
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:40,199
Speaker 1: What if the answers are coming from you, spending stores,

1105
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,079
wasting mind time?

1106
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 3: Hearing boy it says, is it all in their minds?

1107
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:49,719
Speaker 2: They can call me crazy, but I just want them

1108
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,039
from what if it's true?

1109
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,199
Speaker 3: What if it's really? What if it's true? What in

1110
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:02,920
the worlds not what we knew? Tim for Tales blend

1111
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:07,679
me a story that starts where the line is gets

1112
01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:13,039
what if it's reach? What if it's true? The answers

1113
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:17,239
are waiting. They're waiting for you. They see if the

1114
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,400
dog man walking, or maybe am Offman flies. I love

1115
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,639
the very giants hidden beneath the lies. They say, it's

1116
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,480
just stories, it's all they believe. The fairy tale is.

1117
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:32,199
Speaker 1: For the things we can't perceive.

1118
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,159
Speaker 3: They won't keep us blindly, they.

1119
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: Won't break our wheel.

1120
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,159
Speaker 3: But I'm not buying it. I'm not swallowing another pill,

1121
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,480
forest fed poison. The lies were made to what if

1122
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:50,239
the truth could set us free? The alien SuDS traveling

1123
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:55,920
through time, secret space programs are racing their minds. They

1124
01:01:56,079 --> 01:02:00,239
call them crazy, But I just need some proof if

1125
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:05,079
it's true. What if it's real? What if it's true?

1126
01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:10,880
What if the world's not what we do? Ten foil tells,

1127
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:16,480
believe me in a story that starts where the logics.

1128
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,840
What if it's real? What if it's true? The ancers

1129
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:27,320
are waiting, They're weighing for you. They they lie. We

1130
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,559
all can die. The signs are there if you open

1131
01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:36,239
your eyes. The aliens cricked its demon's ghost, the depl

1132
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:41,280
them two. What if it's me? Or what if it's real?

1133
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,440
What if it's real? What if it's true? What if

1134
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:51,960
the world's not what we do? Ten foil tell, Believe

1135
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:57,800
me a story that starts where the logic can What

1136
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,800
if it's real? What if that's true? The answers are waiting,

1137
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:07,679
they're waiting for you. It's all in our heads, it's

1138
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:11,639
all in our binders. These voices can be silence.

1139
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,079
Speaker 1: The truth must rise.

1140
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:18,639
Speaker 3: Ti for tell, it's pulling me true? What if it's reading?

1141
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:28,480
What if it's true?