Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
of there.
Speaker 2: I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy
of the cult is one of the things that turned
me away the quickest.
Speaker 3: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
looked at us.
Speaker 1: And one of the things I remember the most, where
the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.
It is just circling these steps like it is waiting
for me.
Speaker 3: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,
nose and the eyes.
Speaker 2: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing.
Speaker 3: I don't like death.
Speaker 1: I'd like to think this time to welcome my guest tonight, Rachel.
Thanks for coming on here and talking to me.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Would you like to let the audience know a little
bit about yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh my name is Rachel. I live here in Indiana
and have since ninety nine. I work here locally. I
have a book I wrote and a coloring book I've made,
But mostly I just mind my business and you know,
go about my life. Until I have crazy things happen
and I like to share or write about it.
Speaker 1: Before we get into all the crazy stuff. You said
you wrote a book. What is the book about?
Speaker 2: So I actually saw you on the Confessionals and I
did the same thing that you did. I had an
experience and I wrote a book about it. Okay, not voluntarily. Necessarily.
I went back to school and got my degree Inlish
language in literature, and I had to take one writing
class and I was like, well, I guess I'll write fiction,
and uh, They're like, write what you know, and I
was like, okay, so I got this really good story,
so I'm gonna go ahead and start with that. So
it is the first The story is a flashback in
the first chapter, and then it's just after that everything
fiction and it's how they resolve the issue basically.
Speaker 1: So that's literally what I did. So the first chapter
is almost like word for word of what happened with me.
And then after that I had to try and make
a story up. So I was just I'm not an
author or anything, so I figured out. I figured out
real quickly that I didn't know what I was doing,
but I wrote stuff and then I ran it through
all those things and it come back doesn't look like
what I actually written. So I was like, it sounds good.
It makes it look like I did knew what I
was doing. But I was like, I don't even claim
it at this point because the AI changed some of
the words too much to make it sound the I'm
not that smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We Actually, the whole reason I finished the actual
book was because I wanted to start a proofreading business
and I needed I wanted titles to have, as you know,
works that I have proof read before. So I was like, well,
I can finish this book. I've got this story going on,
so might as well finish it off. And so I
just wrote it very quickly. It's actually a very short book,
but I wanted a title to be able to have
on my proof reading website, so that was the goal.
Speaker 1: What did you call it? It's called the Shadow Demon,
The Shadow Demon pretty much right to the point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess the name might be the hook right,
not the first line, but the name. That's what I'm hoping.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, where can people find that at? Was it
on Amazon?
Speaker 2: Or is on Amazon? You have to do a fair
amount of searching. It's under it's actually under a pen name,
because when they said write what you know, I used
my name as the character that this happened to, and
so rather than change the name of the character, I
used the pen name. So it's actually under the name
Nicole Case. And but yeah, it's Nicole Case the Shadow Demon.
It's mailable on Amazon, and that's it nowhere else.
Speaker 1: I'll make sure to try and put that in the
show notes. If you're ready, you can dive on into.
Speaker 2: It, Okay. So I always preface this with this is
a memory that I have had for so long that
I am actually not sure whether it's a dream or
whether it's real. But when I think about the facts,
they line up they point to it potentially having happened.
So when I was six, I spent the summer here
in Indiana with my grandma. Me and my sister did
and or it might not have been the entire summer,
but as a kid, I just said, it's this. We
spent the summer with her. It was probably just a
couple of weeks or something, but we came up here.
We lived in North Carolina at the time, and so
we came up here and my grandma was very into
her church at that time, like heavily involved in her church,
and she like set up a play date. I think
with her it was either her pastor like pastor's family,
or like an associate pastor, somebody involved in the church.
They had girls our age, and so they set up
a play day. So we were at the house. I
remember the house like it's a It's an old farmhouse
surrounded by cornfields. It was blue, and it had a
shed that their kids used as a like a playhouse.
And as you know, in Indiana the summer, it's still warm,
even though it's extremely cold right now in the winter,
it gets quite hot in the summer, and for some
reason they played in the shed that was probably extremely hot,
and it was not set up as a playhouse. It
didn't have windows, it had a door, and if you
closed the door, it was pitch black. And so we're
in there playing, and I know my sister was there.
I have a cousin who says that she was there,
but I don't necessarily remember her being there. But since
we lived in a different states, like she lived here
in Indiana, we lived in North Carolina, so we didn't
see each other that often. So if she was here,
I might not have pinned that to my memory, because
I didn't really, you know, understand the concept of cousins
as a six year old. And but anyway, it was
us and at least the two of us, and I
think three other girls, and we're playing in this their playhouse,
and I don't know whose idea it was, but for
some reason they decided it would be fun to all
line up and braid each other's hair. So you're braiding
the person's hair in front of you, which I'm pretty
sure I didn't know how to braid at that time,
and so I'm pretty sure I was in the front
of the line. And so and they decide, well, we
should shut the door and you know, be in the
pitch black and just breik each other's hair in the
dark in a line. And so we're in there and
you know, everybody's going about their business of braiding hair.
And one of the girls, the two girls were siblings,
I'm almost positive that were close to my sister's age.
And the one of the girls is like, ow, so
and so, stop pulling my hair. And she's like, I
didn't do anything. Her sister like, I didn't do anything.
It's not me, you know, and so we go back
to doing braiding each other, and then a few minutes later,
she's like, how that really heart stopped? And the girl's like,
I'm I swear I didn't do it, you know, because
you always blame your siblings because they're always messing with you.
And she's like, I'm I'm up here and you know,
getting my hair braided, and the person who was bringing
their hair was like, yeah, I'm braiding her hair, and
so like she couldn't be doing it, and so we
realized that there must be somebody else in there, and
so like just pandemodium, you know, we're all screaming, and
we burst out of the doors and we're running to
the house. And I was at the back of the
pack and I turned around to look behind me, and
I see this completely black, solidly black, like absence of
all light black figure with the exception of the eyes,
which were red and they were glowing. And it's like
you could he had, of course a hat, but it
was I've heard it called a businessman stetson. It's not
like a full cowboy hat, but it's not it's too
small to be a fedora or the door is too
small to be what I saw and he was chasing us,
and when I when I turned to look back, he stopped.
It was like he hit a wall and he just
completely backed off and just stood there. But I continued running.
And I remember. That's why I remember the house so much,
is because there was They had one of those old
aluminum screen doors, and I remember like the blue siding
and the like the stoop, the concrete stoop that was
maybe two steps that we ran up and ran inside it.
I don't remember telling any adults about anything, but I
do remember us being freaked out and just staying in
the house after that. Like I remember kind of aspects
of the house and how it was decorated, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2: That was probably one of the scariest things I think
I ever saw. And even even now, the lawn decorations
that people have where it is a cutout and then
like of a human and then you paint it black,
I don't. I hate those things so much. Like I
do not look at those things at all. Every time
we drive by. If I know one's coming, I'm like,
I'm not looking over there. That's not cannot look out
the passenger side window.
Speaker 1: So there was a house somewhere I forget exactly which
one it was. And a few years ago they used
to have it was like the cowboy leaning against the
tree cut out. It was all black, had the hat
and everything.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, there's one on a highway around here, and
I know it's theirs. I'm like, okay, I'm not looking
over there on that house is invisible.
Speaker 1: I have it out bag. It's up against my pole
barn now, but I used to have it out front.
There's a nine foot tall cut out of a sasquatch
made out of metal. But that'd be fine right where
my barn is at now where I record in. It
used to be right beside that area, but the actual
leg parts were that goes into the ground. The welts
popped off so it wouldn't stand up on its own,
so I bolted it to my pulebarn out back. Yeah,
but everyone that would drive by got a big glimpse
of the nine foot basically like, what's buying me right now?
But just to cut out of a nine foot tall one?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But yeah. I I asked my sister, I'm like,
do you remember this? She's like, not so much, but
she she's like my mom in that they don't remember
a lot from either one of them remember much from
their childhood. And I asked my cousin and she said
she does remember it, and I'm like, okay, but I
don't actually remember you being there, so I'm just really
not sure. But the funny, like, the funny thing is
I live in this area now, so I could drive
past this house on a fairly regular basis and have
no idea that that was probably one of the most
traumatic childhoods I say, one of I had a I
had a daredevil childhood, Like one of my first memories
is almost drowning. So I got bit by a dog
when I was six as well. So I mean, I
had some traumatic things happen when I was young. So
but it was one of the I mean, just one
of the things that has stuck with me for a
very long time.
Speaker 1: Now, you had similar experiences to me. I was actually
just thinking about this earlier. And I'm not on the
name off all of my childhood happenings. We'll say that
for someone else's show, But uh, I didn't get bit
by a dog, and the same cousin that cause the
dog to get to bite me, we're also the same
cousin that me in a pool and hold me underwater.
Oh okay, yeah, so I can relate to both being
traumatic because I don't even like even today, like if
I get into like public pools, I don't like when
there's a bunch of people around master to get anxiety
from it, because I just remember being held down underwater
and freaking out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, se, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Was.
Speaker 2: I was told not to play on the deck of
the pool, and of course I did. I was four,
and I tripped on a board that was like a
loose board on the deck and fell into the pool.
And this was October, and you know, it's North Carolina though,
so it's not cold cold. I was wearing sweats, but no,
like it wasn't jacket weather, I guess. But yeah, I
remember my sister and one of her friends were We're
all three up there playing and I'm the one who
fell in. And then my sister's friend was like quick thinking,
and I mean she had to have been six at
the time, because I was four. She grabbed the like
one of the pool tools that you like skim her
or whatever. They had a pole, and she held the
pole out to me, and I grabbed the pole and
they fished me out. But and I had distinct memories
of like bobbing up from the bottom because I couldn't
it was over my head. I would sink at the
bottom and then push it back up to the top,
you know. So, yeah, that's that's a fun story as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, childhood experiences they stick with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this thing that resembled a hat man, you said
it in your email, it had like red eyes.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Now the red eyepart, I don't know. I don't think
I've heard too many stories of hat men where the
people actually seeing the eyes. Usually you just see the
silhouette of the thing. So the red the red eye
part really stuck out to me.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is a lot of times, I know,
people say they associate that with sleep paralysis, which I
don't think I've ever had in my life. But I
don't go into deep sleep enough. I'm a light sleeper.
So but also, I mean, this was the middle of
the day and it was a bright, sunny day. I
mean I remember white fluffy clouds in the sky, not
an overcast, just blue skies, white fluffy clouds, and then
this like it looked like a damon to me. So
you know the green the red eyes either was the.
Speaker 1: Right the the hat that you're talking about. I always
told it to me. It's like the old nineteen thirties,
nineteen forties, like gangster business manhat. That's what I always
think of when yeah, it's the same hat that people
report seeing, like with the UFO stuff when they claim
men in black would show up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say that.
Speaker 1: It's the same type of a hat like that, the
thing that I remember, and I thought I was dreaming too.
I always said it was a cowboy hat because that's
the type of hat that I remembered.
Speaker 2: But my dad wore cowboy hats and cowboy boots and
stuff like that, so I knew the difference, you know.
I knew it wasn't like hits.
Speaker 1: With me. And this is why I chalked it up
to a dream for so long as there was a
movie that I had just watched and it was called
Bubba Hotep and I think I've mentioned this on another episode,
but that movie was about a mummy that came back
and it was sucking the souls of people, and if
I remember, writing, had a cowboy hat on. So I
always just said is because I watched that movie recently
and I was just dreaming about that, and that's how
I wrote it all off. But it wasn't up until
a few years ago and I heard about a hat Man.
I was like, what is hat Man? And I listened
to an episode of A and they talked about I'm like,
that sounds creepfully very similar to what I've.
Speaker 2: Experienced, right, I didn't know it was I guess five
or six years ago maybe that I learned that hat
Man was a thing. I was like, I'm sorry, what now,
what is this called? And they're like, A hat Man?
I was like, wait, so that's what it was. Honestly,
I haven't go very deep into it. I've listened to
people talk about their experiences with hat Man, but I've
never like it's my goal. There's a book written. I
think it's called The hat Man by somebody. I think
her name might be Heidi something or other, and it's
on my list of things to read, but I haven't
done yet, so.
Speaker 1: I know what the book is. Someone actually told me
that I should look into getting it, and I never
have because I'm not an avid reader. I've got I've
got books beside me that are from guests, so I've
gotten like free copies of their books and things, and
I'm supposed to be reading them. I was like, I'll
get to that, and then I get another book and
I'm like, I want to get to that one. I
work all day, I do stuff with family, and then
I come out here, so I don't have the free
time to actually read.
Speaker 2: Exactly, Like, guys, I need you to send me the
audio book.
Speaker 1: That is actually something that I've actually tried to do
is listen to books. But a lot of the things
that I would want to listen to, I feel like
I still don't have the time. I might when I
have to start driving back for a couple hours for
working purposes, and maybe I'll start doing that. But I
haven't even been listening to podcasts in the last almost
two years because I don't travel that far for work
purposes anymore. Like the farthest I go is like twenty
five minutes away for the last year and a half. Yeah,
so I don't have a whole lot of time to
leave catching up on everybody's.
Speaker 2: Episodes, right, Yeah, makes it difficult.
Speaker 1: You said you had some other experiences that you want
to talk about some of them.
Speaker 2: So some of my I have. I don't dream often.
When I do, it's usually really random, weird dreams, but
I have reoccurring themes in dreams sometimes. And one time,
or not one time, but a few times, I had
a dream about this place, this this house. It was
in my dream. I went with a babysitter. She took
me and my sister to on military basis. They have
base of housing, which my dad's in the army, and
we never lived on base housing, but you know, we
were really close to the base, and so it's just
like this apartment complex of townhouses basically, and we went
there with my babysitter, and I swear to god, this
was a dream, and because it was weird, because the
house was almost completely empty, and I remember in my
dream I went up upstairs and went to like you
went upstairs and you turned to the left, and there
was a bedroom at the end of that hall. And
I went to this bedroom and it was the end
of the row of the apartments and the room was
completely empty, and I remember looking out the window and
it was just very eerie. And then this was this
was a dream. I'm fairly certain I was four, maybe
five when I had it. But the reason it sticks out,
the reason I even remember it at all, is because
I had when I was I think it was I
was seven or eight. I had these these friends that
lived down the road and a brother and sister, and
we started hanging out all the time, playing, riding bikes
things like that. And they moved from their house down
the road from us, which was like a normal neighborhood,
not base housing. Well, they moved into base housing. The
apartment in the Base Housing that they moved into was
the one that I dreamt about. And the room that
I went to that was creepy was my friend Heather.
It was her room, and I remember when we were there,
they said, oh, this this house, this this uh, this
room is haunted because there was a boy, a teenager
who lived here, committed suicide by hanging himself on the
tree right outside this window. And they said sometimes there
were there was woods behind the that like the Base
housing there was woods. There was like a wooded area,
and then there was a play kind of behind it.
So I mean, I think the distance was maybe a
mile or so between the back of their house and
this playground area, So I mean, not a small amount
of traversing there, but they said that sometimes you can
see his ghost running through those woods because he glows green,
and we actually did see that one time, but I mean,
it was a military base. It could have been somebody
running with a can stick through there. But I just
think it's one of the things that's really weird about
is that I dreamt about that place being creepy before
I went there, before before I was even friends with
these people, and certainly before they moved to that area.
And there was one aspect of like there's one area
of the woods where you would all the kids would
go and play, and they called it rather than the playground,
they called it Clay Mountains. It was an area where
it had been and like there was a a difference
in the elevation and there were trees on the upper
elevation and it was in red clay and like water
had just washed away kind of a concave area, and
so they just called it Clay Mountain because it was
all just red dirt. And we played over there, and
I dreamt about that place specifically as well, and I'm like,
when we went there with my babysitter, in my dream,
it was nighttime and so I wouldn't have gone to
I wouldn't have gone to that place at all because
it was just like an evening. I don't remember staying
there necessarily in my dream, so I wouldn't have gone
to that place. But I remember being in that place,
that specific area in my dream too, So I just
thought it was really strange that they, I mean, people
come up with the whole you know, oh this is haunted.
Oh that's haunted to scare you a lot, but I
was more inclined to believe it after having been there
before in a dream.
Speaker 1: Do you think like being there in the dream, and
I'm not trying to go all weird like psychic ability
or anything like that, but do you think it's almost
like a premonition of things, like you were able to
see things before?
Speaker 2: Yes, I guess, But like for that one, it's kind
of pointless, like I don't understand the purpose because I'm
not friends with them anymore. They moved away again, like
maybe a year after they had moved into that apartment,
and we lost contact for the most part. I can
actually I don't remember where they moved to, but I
feel like it was out west maybe, But I have had,
like I my nephew is after he was born. I
had a dream about him and he was having like
like it was me and my mom and my sister
and my nephew, and he was having like spots breaking
out around his mouth and I was like, guys, he's
having an allergic react to something. And they're like what,
I don't what are you talking about. I'm like, no,
he's having an allergic reaction to something. And then like
six months later we find out he's definitely allergic to peanuts.
So I'm like, oh, that was kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Do you ever get deja vu?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, I do.
Speaker 1: Does it happen often.
Speaker 2: And not super often? And to be perfectly honest, sometime,
like I've worked in the same job for fifteen years,
so it's kind of like when you're having deja vu
a job that you've worked at for fifteen years, is
it really deja vu? Did you just literally do this already?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And then like this this is a new house. I've
lived here for about a year now, but my last
house I lived in for twelve years, you know, kind
of the same house. You know, you go do the
same thing in the house repeatedly, and you're like, well,
I've been here for twelve years. What are the odds
I haven't done this before? And that's why I think
it's deja vou. But yeah, I do get it sometimes
and I'm just like, noah, no, this seems more dejavou
than normal.
Speaker 1: I get it often, and it's never anything of any relevancy.
It's just it's very strange. Like someone will say something
and I'm just like, oh, I've already seen this before, yeah,
and like there's no reason for it that I'm aware of.
But when you talk to other people say things like
this or look into stuff like this, they claim that
maybe it's because like our reality. And again, this isn't
going on the whole out there theme, but we're making
we're remembering that specific part because we something afterwards, and
we didn't do it correctly the first time, so now
we're doing it again. I was like, well, that's almost
very simulated sounding, so right, it's.
Speaker 2: Like you didn't you didn't perform your functions correctly last time.
I should try that again right this time.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how much true to that there is, right,
But I don't know. It's it is interesting because I've
noticed that some people have not so much, like I said,
premonitions or whatever. But if you find out people have
been able to see things, they dream these things and
you ask them about deja vu, oh yeah, they experienced
how too. So I don't know how it all correlates together.
Speaker 2: But and like I had, I remember one of the
houses that we lived in North Carolina at I remember
having a dream and it was a very weird dream.
I walked I was in the master like walked in
the master bedroom, and it looked like our house, but
there was this woman there and she was ghostly and
you know, glowing and wearing a white nightgown, and she
kept pointing to this white spot on the floor and
it was like a white like stain on the floor,
basically like just like a puddle, big puddle. And I
was like, well, that's really really strange. And then sometime
after that dream, I had heard that someone might have
been murdered, but I think they said it was in
the house next to that one, so not that house.
And I'm like, hmm, I wonder if I dreamt about
that or because I didn't know about it beforehand, it
was sometime afterwards.
Speaker 1: But this is something and I don't know if I've
talked about it prior. But when something happens traumatic in
an area and people are like, oh, the house is
haunted because it happened in the house. What contains the
energy to that house? And someone says, oh, the proper
pretty hanted. Well, how do these things know? Property lines?
Like this is all just made up stuff that we
humans have said this, this is where my property ends.
What makes them abide by those non universal like rules
just because party line, our made up lines say they
can't cross through here. I just stepped two feet across
my property. You have to stay over there, mister ghost.
Speaker 2: Exactly. No. Sorry, these property lines here, they're like they're
going to block you. Sorry.
Speaker 1: That's why I've always thought it was strange when people say, oh,
my house is haunted, Well, your neighbor's like five feet away.
Why aren't they having experiences over their laws of different houses, Like, yeah,
I get that, but what contains it to this house?
Like why is everything contained to a house?
Speaker 2: I suppose it has something to do with them being
attached to that house, not necessarily and not the neighbor's house.
Like if it was their house, m m they you know,
they would feel more comfortable there, I guess maybe, or
if you go on the theory that you know, ghosts
are just like the energy that like they're just doing
the same thing that they always did in their lifetime,
Like they're going to if they went to get the
mail at three fifteen every day when they're alive, they're
going to go to get the mail three fifteen every
day when they're dead.
Speaker 1: Almost like a residual haunting type of the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was looking for. But then they
wouldn't go to they wouldn't wander over at the neighbor's
house unless they did that a lot in real life.
I guess.
Speaker 1: I just always find it interesting that when you hear
people having these experiences or whatever, and we'll dive into
my own crap, like we have weird stuff here and
there's really no reason as to why there should be.
M Yeah, I've been told by random people here in
the last couple of months because I was in an
event and I was talking and they had to be
being a speaker, and someone come up right afterwards and
was telling me that, So like, again, I'll dive it
into it, but basically it's my land. And then some
miles later in the day, I was like, do you
have trees around your places? Like I live in rural Indiana?
What do you expect? Like that's kind of like to me,
it's almost like they're fishing for stuff, and by whatever
you answer, I'm very skeptical psychic people or whatever. I
always feel like they're trying to not so much like
con people, but at the same time, it's almost that way.
I feel like, so when they're asking questions and you
get certain answers, they go into the next thing, and
like you're setting them up by giving them information. So
I'm not very open about a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: And yes, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: The things that they were asking were like, is there
any water nearby? Well? Again, which direction you go? You're
going to run in the water at some point? Yeah,
it's all vague stuff, right, I feel.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty far from any water, like halfway, like the
Miss Cinema runs through here, but it's a good little
while away from here. And then we have the White
River as well, and again it's pretty far away from me,
I mean miles. You know you're not going to walk there, right.
Speaker 1: Luckily for me, I am it's mac dab in the
middle between the ill in the Wabash and just a
few miles from where the miss Sinewa runs into the Wabash.
So I have all this great little combobulation of river
systems a run right around where I live, so I
get all the weird stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, my mom used to live on the
Missis Cinema as well. I mean there was a cornfield
in between her house, but actually it wrapped around, so
there was a corn field in one direction and then
on the other side there was a house, a road house,
and then the river. But I can't I mean, I
don't remember anything really weird happening there, but I didn't want.
Now that I think about sharing the story of the Shadow,
the hat man or whatever, I think about how my
mom's house it has the shed set up like that house,
and I was like, what if it's that house? But
I was like, no, the back door is not placed right,
and the front stoop isn't or mean the back stoop
there is no unless they revamped the laundry room, it's
not it. And I seem to remember that house being
two stories as well, so I'm like, well, that's not it.
Speaker 1: Then now in your email, you said that they were
it was your sister too, wasn't it. And then there's
a couple other little girls and they didn't ever mention
anything about it.
Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of. And it's like, if I
met these other girls on the street today, like there's
good possiblity I actually do know them, because if they
stayed in town, then you know, my job is actually
very front facing, like I know a lot of people
in town, so I come across a lot of people,
like people I went to high school with, and but
if I saw them, I would never know it was
them because I don't even know I remember their names,
No remember how many girls there were, and I don't
remember their names at all. So but yeah, I've asked
my sister, and my sister was like, I don't I mean,
maybe that happened, And I'm like, well, I really like
you remember that. I think she remembers playing. I don't
think she remembers, like maybe she didn't look backwards, you know,
maybe nobody else looked backwards besides me. But I mean
if they didn't, then it would just be like this,
you know, weird thing that happened in a shed one day,
and then that's all that there was why you know.
Speaker 1: I understand like you weren't familiar with like hat man
or whatever back then, but you called it a demon
obviously just because of the red eyes or why did
you think it was a demon? Okay?
Speaker 2: Pretty much? Honestly, I never called it anything until I
wrote the book. I had to come up with a name,
and I was like, Oh, that works. That that's good.
Because it looked like a shadow and had glowing red eyes.
I'm like, oh, it's obviously a demon. You know.
Speaker 1: Weird that I mentioned that D word and then my
screen over here just decides to shut off by itself.
I'm going to kick back on so anyone watching the video,
you noticed that my screen went off right when I
talked about demon, So goes along with some of the
other things around here. We'll just leave it to that.
The other night, completely off topic. But I have a
setup to where I record over here and it's my road
cast or whatever, and I had forgot to stop recording,
so it recorded for thirteen hours straight until I came
back out here the next day and it was still recorder.
I was like, oh, I turn it off. So I
had stopped. Now I have thirteen hours of recording to
go back and listen to see if I picked up
any weird noises. Yeah, there's any random EVPs or anything
out here from all the weird stuff, because the whole
point of me coming out here was a tray and
get all the weird stuff to be away from the house,
away from the house and be contained out here. Because
it's weird that when people do things like what I
do another podcasts or whatever, if you talk to them,
sometimes they say that they get more activity ever since
they started doing stuff like this, and a lot of
people think it's because you're opening doorways. By talking about
you're giving that the energy, you're giving it the attention,
so somehow you're inviting it.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I've never invited anything in and
I've always said nothing's allowed in here. But since i've
been out here doing this, I have cameras out here,
and I have caught weird things happening in here on
my camera.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 1: So now I need to go back and listen to
like twelve hours worth of silence just to see if
there's something on there.
Speaker 2: Kayo, maybe an owl?
Speaker 1: What kyo kyote do is a weird thing. Because I
was out here a couple of weeks ago, and shit,
you not, I heard I hear something ground. I have
my headphones on, so I'm hearing what I'm listening to.
But I heard something very close and I heard growling,
and I'm like, so I hit pause and I'm hearing
it again. I was like, what is it? I was
like when I start hearing the yapping and all, I
was like, Oh, I bet they're back screwed around my
ghosts or chicken. So I go outside and it seems
like a step out that stops. But I hit record
on my camera on my phone. As I go out there,
you hear me hit my table and big thud from
Max trying to get around it to hurry up and
get out. But then the noises of the coyo is
just completely silence. I was like, well, that's strange, Like
they instantly just stopped as soon as I opened the door.
But yeah, the growling part was very very close. It
was enough to where I heard it over the headphones.
And I actually went back and listened to the audio
again to make sure it wasn't something on that and
it was not on my audio. M So again more
weird stuff. Yeah, it seems to yeah, seems to follow me. Maybe,
I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. For me, I kind of wondered whether talking about
this would like kick up anything. But I've told the
story a couple times now.
Speaker 3: And so far, so good.
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna not go blood here and make
sure you know loops like, get a good night's sleep tonight.
Speaker 1: You said you're a very you're not a deep sleeper.
No I'm not either, But and you said you never
had sleep paralysis, which I get that every once in
a while very maybe like a couple of times a year.
And to me, it's just I'm not awake. I don't
ever think of it as sleep paralys is like to me,
I'm still in that dream state. I'm half awake, half asleep.
So I'm looking around and I'm still asleep, but my
body is not fully awake. I don't correlate it to
every time that that happens, that there's a demon beating
on me or whatever, like some people do, right.
Speaker 2: I have heard was someone recently that when you're in
REM sleep, your brain sends out signal to like basically
paralyze you, because you know, when you're INMS sleep is
when you're dreaming and you're doing all those so that
you don't do all those weird things that you're doing
in your dreams. They that's why your brain paralyzes you.
And so that's the explanation of why, because you're still
in rem sleep when you wake up, and that's why
you're paralyzed because your brain is still in rem sleep.
That's the explanation I heard.
Speaker 1: They have all sorts of explanations for everything, but I'm
not going to say that they're wrong.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I have one of the reoccurring dream themes
that I do have. It's a very straight It's I
am dreaming that I am in my bed in the
I've had this happen in three separate houses, and it's
always in that specific house. And I dream that a
spider falls from the ceiling onto my face or my head,
and so I actually jump out of bed, and I
guess I'm awake, but I haven't opened my eyes yet.
I opened my eyes standing up beside my bed, like
looking back, like looking for the spider, like where is
the spider? Oh my god, I cannot have a spider
in my bed. You know, I've had it happen like
at least four or five times, and I'm lucky that
I'm always in the correct house, because if I'm not
in the correct house, I could, you know, try and
throw myself off the bed in the wrong direction and
land in a wall or you know, a dresser or
something like that. But yeah, I literally wake up standing
next to my bed looking for that spider, and then
it takes me a really long time fall back asleep
because my heart is.
Speaker 1: Counting that energy from thinking the spiders on you. I've
had something like that happen not too long ago. But
I felt something on my face and I didn't jump
out of bed. I just instantly grab whatever it was
through it and then I realized, like I probably should
have seen what it was that I threw. Yeah, yeah,
but I never got up and looked for because I
didn't want to know at that point. I just wanted
to stay in bed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, my biggest struggle is between my wife and I.
Were usually have a child in between the beds, so
we either have my son or my daughter or both.
Because she'll be six, she'll still come into our bedroom
says she has bad dreams and then wants to come
go to bed, and then the three year old we
had to move his bed into our room, even though
for the most part he's always been in his own room.
We never had a price here. Recently, he wants to
be in our room all the time watching our TV,
so we just kind of moved his bed in here,
even though he has his own TV. We converted his
bedroom into my wife's workspace. So, yeah, his bed's now
in our room. And then he'll sleep in his bed,
but then in the middle of the night he'll want
to get up between us. So I need a bigger bed.
I don't think that. Yeah, we have a queen and
we've been talking about getting in Kingsiz's bed. I was like, well,
we got anything bigger than that, because we need one
for like four people.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you've had happened to you
that you'd like to talk about?
Speaker 2: You know a couple actually, the more recent ones that
is interesting. I actually just remember this story today because
I was listening to somebody else talk about an experience
and my grandma died, the same grandma that I was
staying with. She died. I think I was about almost
twenty or twenty one, and I remember, so I sleep
at the TV on and I have since I was
maybe eight or so. I actually would go and sleep
in our spare bedroom because that's where the TV was,
and I would just sleep on the floor because I
have trouble shutting my brain off, and I would put
the show on the TV. In the TV it helps
my brain to disengage and sleep. And so because I
sleep with the TV on, you know, it's always wake
up and it's light in my room. And then the
night that my grandma, she had died of that morning,
but that next like that night when I went to bed,
I woke up in the movement night and looked at
my TV and like in between the TV there was
a black like kind of like a cloud, you know,
like not really a figure necessarily, but just the black
something or other, and it blocked the light from the TV.
And I actually remember my mom saying that she had
the same thing happened when my great grandfather died. I
didn't have it happened, but it happened to her the
day of the night that he died. And so it
never really like I never made a big deal out
of it because I was like, oh, well, that's that's
the same thing that happened to her. So that's that
just that must be what it is when you die,
you go check out your grandchildren while they're sleeping for something.
I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like a black mass or like
a black shadow or yeah, like not.
Speaker 2: Even a shadow, just more like a mass.
Speaker 1: I haven't I interviewed someone recently as actually by the
time the stars of that episode will alread to be out.
But I met him when I was down in Tennessee
recording with Tony. He was someone that is friends with Tony.
He actually came into the studio, but he talked about
a black mass that was like right over his face,
kind of like hover and around there.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And I've heard other people talk about these black matts
like they don't have definitive shapes, but they're like a
black presence. And to be honest, anytime I've heard about them,
they're more like I'm gonna type things. They're more nefarious.
I would say, Well.
Speaker 2: I just I went back to sleep, like I woke up,
I saw it, and I was like, oh, oh, that's weird, Okay,
I went back to sleep. Now didn't even like, you know,
because sometimes you have a nightmare and it's like, yeah,
I didn't want to stay awake for a little while
now because I don't want to go back into that dream,
thank you no, But uh yeah I was. That was
just like no, it's that's just my grandma. That's fine.
I'm just gonna go back to sleep now.
Speaker 1: That is the one thing. I don't get a whole
lot of nightmares, which I'm kind of grateful for that.
I just get really screwed up dreams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just really I have really weird, weird, random
like odd things. But since I don't I don't have
I have what I call anxiety dreams, where there are
things that give me anxiety but not if there's anybody
else that they would never consider it a nightmare. But
like I don't. I don't like heights, and so all
have dreams where, in order to leave like some sort
of shopping center, the stairs have like this huge gap
in them, like a six foot gap, and people in
my dream are just jumping that gap like it's just
a normal thing, and I'm like trying to prepare myself
to jump over this gap, and it's just it's what
I just call them anxiety dreams. But since I've lived
in this house. I've I've had two nightmares, like I
would call them nightmares, and I'm like, this is weird.
I don't I don't like that because I don't have nightmares.
I mean, these are these are ones where I'm like, yeah,
I don't want to I'm gonna stay awake for a
little bit and go ahead and just maybe play a
game on my phone or something real quick to reset
my mind.
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh, I like when I wake up and
I feel like I'm levitating and I jerk real bad
and I fall back into the bed. I like, was
I actually levitating or was I just because it usually
dreams like when you're falling and all of a sudden,
I land and hit the bed like I'm right before
I hit the ground. I always like hit my bed.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well I'd rather hit the bed than the ground.
Speaker 1: So some I've talked to some people before and this
is there's there's episodes that have been out, so people
are kind of like roll their eyes up. We talked
about this on previous stuff. But like I've always wondered,
like if you die in your dream, m hm, do
you die in real life? I know a lot of
people say you don't. And I've had dreams that are
screwed up that I've been at my own funeral before.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, technically you didn't die though.
Speaker 1: I didn't die in the dream, but I was dead
in the dreaming.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I it's funny. Sometimes I will have like the
very very rarely, I will have an extremely vivid, realistic
dream like I'm actually writing a second book, even though
I say all the time I'm not a writer, I
don't want to be a writer, but I'm writing a
second book about this dream. Because in this dream, I
was like, it was like it was like a movie.
It was like watching a movie. I was seeing this
scene from above and I'm in the middle of this
scene where it's like kind of like a Poltergeist scene
where there's these two girls that are college girls and
their stuff flying off of shelves and stuff like that,
and I'm like, wow, that is an incredibly odd dreaming.
I don't know if other people have dreams where they
aren't like I wasn't a character in the dream. I
was just watching the dream happen. And so I'm like, well,
that's that's a new book for me.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 2: So I've been writing that for like three years now,
ollen off.
Speaker 1: So do you ever see yourself in your dreams?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I have a couple of times that I can remember,
Like usually when people dream, you dream in the first person,
like how we are right now, like looking right. I
remember in some dreams that I've seen myself doing stuff,
like so I'm watching my own self do thing.
Speaker 2: It just is strange, Yeah, it would be. I don't
think I've ever done that. I think I've been like
invisible in my dreams where I will watch other people
doing things and it's it's like I'm not there again,
kind of like it like in the last one, only
it's I'm not like watching from above, but I'm just
a spectator watching things happen.
Speaker 1: It makes me wonder if we don't leave, like when
we fall asleep and we start dreaming, it's like, are
we experiencing what happens elsewhere? Like I say, there is
multiple universe or multiple decisions, Like I said, if it
is a whole simulated type of thing like that, I
just astral travel the astral plane and go into a
different realm to where I'm watching myself mow the lawn.
Speaker 2: Like oh, it's like that I'm not in that reality
right now.
Speaker 1: Actually, I enjoy mowing, so I wouldn't be my I
was actually thinking about that earlier. I can't wait till
the worms backup so I can mow. That's I really
am a middle aged dad at this point, because that's
why Highlight is mowing my art.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just ready for it to not be covered
in snow.
Speaker 1: I don't like living in an area where I walk
outside and my face is burning from being cold. No
one understands that reference, but like when you walk outside
and it feels like your face is on fire because
it's so bitterly cold, Yeah, that's how it feels here
sometimes when you walk outside in that wind itch.
Speaker 2: Or like when it hurts your nose to breathe in. Yeah,
that's no fun.
Speaker 1: My wife says she wants to live somewhere where it
doesn't hurt her face when she walks outside. I was like, yeah,
I understand your reference, because that's it is that way,
and it sucks. Sometimes I have to work outside.
Speaker 2: A lot, so yeah, yeah. I saw some drive into
the store today and I saw people working outside. I
was like, oh man, today's a terrible day for that.
Speaker 1: So about ten. I think it was eleven years ago.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: We had a horrific snowstorm that came with an Arctic
blast and it was negative forty five or negative fifty degrees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1: You could throw water in the air to instantly turn
to ice. I was out working in that. I worked
for the Highway Department at the time, so we had
to plow the roads and after that was all done,
they wanted us to go out and fix potholes. So
it was negative twenty five degrees, like, the actual temperature
was negative twenty five plus the wind chill, and we're
out there trying to put asphalt in these holes. Yeah,
this is the worst day of my life. Literally, I
felt like it is so freaking cold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty outrageous. Actually. Yeah. I had
a coworker. He came over and shoveled my driveway so
I could go to work. And then the pipes were
frozen and work, so I couldn't go to work anyway.
So you're like, well, I guess we're all gonna be open.
I was like, okay, great, I'm so glad Shay came
and shoveled my driveway and negative forty degrees for me
not to go anywhere.
Speaker 1: I've been kind of bitter about the whole situation because
I no longer work there. So ever since I left
because I hated having to be on call during the winter,
I still do the same normal job that I used
to do for the Highway Department. I oversee construction stuff.
But this what I do now. I work for a
private company and we don't have anything to do with
that aspect to it, so I don't have to be
out plowing roads. But ever since I've left the state
five years ago, it's like we haven't really had into
the snow like we used to. I felt like I
was always working. It's like now that I've been gone,
it's like, doesn't seem like we get like the snowstorms
that we were getting.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I mean it's been a very very
light for snow in the last like seven years or so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not been everything. I kept seeing claims this
was going to be like one of the worst winters
in the last decade. I was like, well, we'll see,
and so far it hasn't really done much of anything.
Speaker 2: Right. Somebody told me that it was supposed to be
really mild winter, and I was like, all right, well whatever,
I'm just gonna do what I always do, so see, I.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. I guess I was, Let bring
it on. I've got my heaters, I've got everything else
I need, so we stock up on food. So if
it comes into a big snowstorm, cool, I'm gonna be
warm and toasty and not worry.
Speaker 2: About it exactly. Yep.
Speaker 1: Well, we've been going on for about an hour. Is
there anything else you'd like to discuss where we can
wrap the swamp.
Speaker 2: I do have one last story that happened. This is
the most recent story that's happened to me, and it's
still somewhat puzzling. Like I had gone through my closets
at my house and I painted all of them white
because they were all like painted ugly colors, and I
was just like, you know what, they just they could
be white. And then I'll put everything back in there
and I'll organize everything. And I have this you call
it a boombox. It's not really like what you think
I want to do when you say boombox. It's just
a portable CD player, cassette player, AMFM radio and it
has this you know, the toggle switch on it you
to switch back and forth between these all of the
you know, modes or whatever. And it takes six C batteries.
And I had organized my closets and put everything back
in there, and that was one of the things that
got put back in there. I actually didn't know there
were batteries in there, that's how long they were in there.
And I was at home, like I think I did that,
like on a Sunday maybe, and I'm pretty sure it
was Tuesday evening around like seven o'clock or something like that.
I start hearing this like noise, and I'm very like, why,
why am what am I hearing? What is this right now?
And it sounded like the radio, And so I'm going
back and I'm trying to I'm like I was in
the living room. I could hear it in the back
of the house. So I'm walking back there to try
and figure out what in the world I'm hearing. And
I get back there and it's this boom box that
was on and it had like the switch had been
pushed to I guess I think it was the radio
because there were no CDs in there, so and certainly
not a cassette in there, and so it's I pull
it out and I'm like, what and why is this?
How is this even on? There are not any batteries
in here, and I opened up and there were batteries,
but some I'm like, I don't understand how that happened.
How did I know? I messed with it the past weekend,
and then three days later it starts playing on like
radio station, which I I don't even know what radio
station it was on. It happened to be one that
came through without the antenna, which you know, there's not
many of those that do that here because you'd have to.
We have one local station that's a really kind of
like a powerful broadcasting station, and that's about it. And
so I was like, this is just really odd. So
I turned it off and then put it back in
the closet. But I was just like, that's that's unusual.
But I think that was the only strange thing that
I had happened in that house that I had lived
in for, you know, twelve years the entire time I
was there. Which the couple that the couple that I
bought the house from, they were the original owners of
the house. And there's potential that the guy the husband
actually died in the house, but I don't really know
that for sure. But it's kind of funny because the
whole time I lived there and never felt me like
creepiness until until that happened. And I was like, Okay,
what what is that?
Speaker 1: So, do you have a dog or a cat?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I thought I just saw something behind your arm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a white German shepherd as well. Okay,
I have been sleeping. He moved to the hallway.
Speaker 1: I have a female white German shepherd.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So interesting. Now, I literally thought I just saw something.
I was talking to someone a while back and there
was something on camera moving in the background, and I
was like, that's interesting, but I don't know whatever it
ended up being. But so we I usually don't do
video recording, so I don't ever get to see the people. Well,
we don't ever get to talk this way. But and
then when I'm talking and everything, and I start to
notice things in the backgrounds, like we're talking about weird stuff,
so I'm expecting something I'm popping out from behind you
and freak me out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's a he's an old man. He decided
he doesn't want to lay in here anymore beside me,
So he's gonna go lay in the hallway. Now, there
was a cat that's been through here too, so she's
coming and hollered a couple times.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: So if you hear weird noise, it does not really
sound like a cat. Me out and that was her, Okay.
Speaker 1: It's always always good to know if there's anything else
in the background that can make some weird noises.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't find tooth comb everything. When it comes to
these type of episodes or whatever, I just pretty much
leave them be.
Speaker 2: So there was what helicopter that came through at one
point two.
Speaker 1: So I get cars to drive by a lot, and
sometimes you hear them, sometimes you don't. Usually if the
guys at a drive by with the big, loud, jacked
up trucks that have to sound ridiculously loud for unknown reasons,
then they might get picked up. For the most part, though,
I don't really hear a whole lot out here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that helicopter was shaking some and stuff around here.
I was like, what is that, Oh, it's a helicopter.
Speaker 1: So well, Rachel, it's been a pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 2: It's been nice talking to you as well.
Speaker 1: You want to let everyone know where they can find
your book at one more time what it's called.
Speaker 2: And it is called The Shadow Demon by Nicole case
So and it is available on Amazon.
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know they light it sees her laughing to laugh in
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if it's real? What if they knew?
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wasting mind time?
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