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Speaker 1: He is a retired commercial and contract pilot who long
Speaker 1: asserted that he worked for the US Military Intelligence CIA
Speaker 1: connected operations over several decades according to his own testimony,
Speaker 1: he enlisted in specialized military operations at Fort Bliss, Texas,
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty four, where he was associated with the
Speaker 1: fourth Army Intelligence Units into the early nineteen sixties. Here
Speaker 1: to talk with us today, William plumb Lee, Welcome to
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, thanks for having me. I appreciate being on
Speaker 2: your program.
Speaker 1: No problem. We got a lot going on right now.
Speaker 1: I've I've kind of been looking at this thing on
Speaker 1: Uh it's kind of random, but uh, finding Hitler. Have
Speaker 1: you ever watched a documentary on the History Channel?
Speaker 2: Just bits and paces. I know, every time I start
Speaker 2: try to watch something like that, that something comes up.
Speaker 2: I'll get bit here, and then about six months later
Speaker 2: I getting another bit and so but what you have
Speaker 2: in mind on that.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like the whole thing is like it's
Speaker 1: so weird. Like there, I didn't I knew that there
Speaker 1: was a lot of things with Hitler surviving in the
Speaker 1: bunker and all of that, and you know, getting out alive,
Speaker 1: and but I didn't realize that the body that the
Speaker 1: autopsy was done on was of a thirty five year
Speaker 1: old woman.
Speaker 2: It's like anything even back then, conspiracies you can take
Speaker 2: an ant and use a magnifying glass and make a
Speaker 2: conspiracy out of it. Far as Hitler did this. Who
Speaker 2: killed a b Lincoln? Were they really killed in the barn?
Speaker 2: Or were they killed in a haylof? Or were they killed?
Speaker 2: Did they drowned crossing the stream? Did they get shot?
Speaker 2: Did clingon get shot from a helicopter? Did see what
Speaker 2: I'm getting at? Sometimes my major event, even like the FK,
Speaker 2: it'll breed thousands of thousands of rumors, which if it
Speaker 2: gets enough pushed and enough publicity, those rumors become factual
Speaker 2: for some people, and that opens up debates and it
Speaker 2: actually takes away from the real facts behind the incident.
Speaker 2: Law enforcement deals with that all the time, of having
Speaker 2: to go through with thousands and thousands of leads just
Speaker 2: to get to one nugget of truth that may break
Speaker 2: the case. So personally myself, my background, I've learned to
Speaker 2: stay away or at least try to stay away from
Speaker 2: getting involved in conspiracy type related things, even though I'm
Speaker 2: writ in the middle of one with this book and everything,
Speaker 2: and then I try to stay away from politics. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've got background very diversified in military special operations, cover activities,
Speaker 2: which are all connected with politics, can get sucked into
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, which is actually, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: a diversion that takes you away from the real nitty
Speaker 2: gritty of the problem. And in some cases that's by design.
Speaker 2: For instance, on a letterhead memo, all you've got to
Speaker 2: do is take a blank agency letterhead memo and you
Speaker 2: can write anything on that memo you want to write,
Speaker 2: and then you can assimilate that memo out through proper channel,
Speaker 2: or not proper channels, but through channels, and then they
Speaker 2: pick it up and they pass it to another, and
Speaker 2: they pass it to another simply because on a letterhead memo,
Speaker 2: then it becomes the truth, and that is the official verdict.
Speaker 2: That's what's going on, has gone on with the JFK.
Speaker 2: That's also what's gone on back in a paper clip
Speaker 2: time back in Nazis. We brought some of that technology
Speaker 2: over from Nazi after the war. We adopted some of
Speaker 2: those psychological warfare programs that the Nazis used. We set
Speaker 2: up a program and next said North Carolina, where we
Speaker 2: thought we could breed super soldiers. They could walk through walls,
Speaker 2: they could stay up for twenty four hours straight. They
Speaker 2: were invincible. So this is a form of mind control
Speaker 2: back in those days. If you can control all the
Speaker 2: communication that goes out to the media, you actually can
Speaker 2: control the thinking and the actions of the people. That's
Speaker 2: a program that was used in psychological warfare.
Speaker 1: Do you know the name of that program where they
Speaker 1: were using psychics in North Carolina.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's three or four of them. One of them,
Speaker 2: which was based with drugg was MK Ultra, and then
Speaker 2: the spring off of MK Ultra was MK Delta, which
Speaker 2: was much more deadlier than MK Ultra. Illusionary warfare training
Speaker 2: actually at North Carolina, that was the name of it.
Speaker 2: It was known as the defector program where students were
Speaker 2: divided up. They had language studies. Some of the students
Speaker 2: were trained to go as defect in the foreign countries
Speaker 2: hoping that they would be picked up by their intelligence
Speaker 2: and they've become double agents, and then we would infiltrate
Speaker 2: into their programs and we would put false information. We
Speaker 2: did that in Cuba, well, Bautista, we did it after
Speaker 2: Castro came into power. So the technique that CIA uses
Speaker 2: put the narrative, change the narrative. If a particular operation
Speaker 2: is being exposed by one of your operatives or by
Speaker 2: a double agent. Then you've got to change that narrative.
Speaker 2: You've got to change the direction that it's going. So
Speaker 2: the way you do that is you get an official document,
Speaker 2: an official person, or to get someone that is well
Speaker 2: known and has a following and they adopt that procedure
Speaker 2: or you, Brien watched them through sublimin I sent through
Speaker 2: psychological warfare and they work for you. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm I don't be rattling there to eat up
Speaker 2: all the time on this, but no.
Speaker 1: It's really important. I just know that there's there were
Speaker 1: several psychics by programs. They went under different names. There
Speaker 1: was the you know, the one that was made public
Speaker 1: in ninety five, well declassified in there are early two thousands,
Speaker 1: but made public in ninety five after the CIA shut
Speaker 1: it down, which was a Stargate project, but it went
Speaker 1: under many different names. I'm currently making the documentary that's
Speaker 1: all about this. But I had heard that there were
Speaker 1: other programs that used psychics in like combat, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: training psychics to combat.
Speaker 2: That now is a perfect example. I'll give you example.
Speaker 2: I don't know if currently two things in World War two,
Speaker 2: we use guys out of prison to train them for
Speaker 2: special operations. Unconventionable or unconventional warfare was what it was
Speaker 2: called then. To work behind end of the lines, the
Speaker 2: infield trade, go behind enemy lines, how you infild trade.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it was very unorthodox, you know. Uh. For instance,
Speaker 2: coming up into the Vietnam era, we had a movie
Speaker 2: was made out of this, The Men who Stared at
Speaker 2: Goats was a super warrior that allegedly the concept was
Speaker 2: they could walk through doors. The program that we used
Speaker 2: to use at Next Edge, we're talking about psychological programs
Speaker 2: and this in the book Deep Cover Salle Grays. We
Speaker 2: covered some of this multiple stuff in the book Deep Cover.
Speaker 2: But I'll sort of lost my thought there for a minute.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that Nag said used to
Speaker 2: do with we would sit and they put a glass
Speaker 2: of water and we put a spoon, balance it, put
Speaker 2: a sugar cube right there on that corner and balance
Speaker 2: it on a glass. And we would sit back, nine
Speaker 2: of us and we would stare at that spoon for
Speaker 2: five ten minutes and thinking I'm gonna make it drop
Speaker 2: in that water. I'm gonna make that super cube drop
Speaker 2: in that water. Sit there, just I mean boring, but
Speaker 2: sit there and that was a total concentration. Our mind
Speaker 2: was focused on breaking that thing in there, so mind control.
Speaker 2: So we then all of a sudden one day by Gully,
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there staring, thinking doing it, and you know
Speaker 2: what happened. That sugar cube fell right off into that water.
Speaker 2: And I thought, man, I got the secret. I've got
Speaker 2: mind control. It's not hypnosis. I mean I sit and
Speaker 2: saw it, and I made that thing fall. The third
Speaker 2: time that I saw that, I happened to catch my
Speaker 2: instructor just gently bumped up table leg just enough to
Speaker 2: make that balance fall in the water. So that's manipulation.
Speaker 2: That's the program. Control the communications, manipulate the narrative and
Speaker 2: you'll get results from someone that you want. The other
Speaker 2: example for illusionary warfare, we got through well drunk one
Speaker 2: time at one time, many times, but anyway, one time
Speaker 2: and Knaight said, and this guy was sitting next to us,
Speaker 2: and he says, you know, they give me ten ten
Speaker 2: dollars to walk down the beach, and when I saw
Speaker 2: reflection from a mirror and a light, I was supposed
Speaker 2: to turn left and walk the other way. And we're
Speaker 2: sitting there, oneer, what is he trying? What is he
Speaker 2: telling us. Well, we were up on the second floor
Speaker 2: watching this guy walk down the beach, and they told
Speaker 2: us concentrate and make that guy turn to his left. Concentrate.
Speaker 2: He's coming towards you. You want him to turn to
Speaker 2: your left. Concentrate. Concentrate, He's gonna turn to your left. Bye, Golly.
Speaker 2: After a while, you know what happened That man turned
Speaker 2: to his left. We thought we had psychic ability. What
Speaker 2: was happening. The guy upstairs had a mirror and he
Speaker 2: was shining at the guy walking along the beach. When
Speaker 2: the guy saw the reflection of the mirror turned left. Wow,
Speaker 2: that was our psychic ability. Does that explain anything to you?
Speaker 1: It definitely explains what that they're trying to make you
Speaker 1: believe that you have psychic ability. By the I do
Speaker 1: believe the psychic ability exists. Oh, I do believe that
Speaker 1: it is possible to remove you.
Speaker 2: Sublimination. They used it with the back in the thirties
Speaker 2: and the forties when the first come on sublimination as uh,
Speaker 2: there's a ways to make people buy product by sublimination
Speaker 2: in their mind, a form of hypnosis. Well, you can
Speaker 2: make a person think something simply. It's the way that
Speaker 2: you present, present your your narrative.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And you'll be walking along the aisle and you'll say
Speaker 2: Lux video or Lux soap, and you'll see po maolive.
Speaker 2: For some reason, you pick up the paw malive soap.
Speaker 2: You don't know why. But then if you really look around,
Speaker 2: maybe they've run a tremendous broadcast the thirty forty commercials
Speaker 2: pal malive soap, Lux theater. They used to have all
Speaker 2: that back in the thirties and the forties. How they
Speaker 2: do They used to come on at three point thirty.
Speaker 2: They used to have a thing seven days a week
Speaker 2: when you open up at seven and seven days a week,
Speaker 2: we open to eleven from the seven to eleven. From
Speaker 2: seven to eleven, we got ice, drinks, milk, cheese, meat, fish, bread, cheese, soup,
Speaker 2: and nuts. That's why we say shop seven eleven. In
Speaker 2: that commercial, there was three things, soup, nuts, whatever they
Speaker 2: wanted to buy. There's another one you used through a
Speaker 2: commercial like this. I know I'm rambling around here and
Speaker 2: you're eating up your time, but you're talking about psychological program. Okay,
Speaker 2: when TV come on? And how did DUTY come on
Speaker 2: at three point thirty? Then the first thing Southern Ice
Speaker 2: from seven to eleven started out. Our artists now would
Speaker 2: deinthly describe to show you nineteen fifty five, you might
Speaker 2: expecting that brought a year a bran new kind of Texas.
Speaker 2: Theer its steaks were more than ever pleased for science
Speaker 2: then will freshly freeze its flavor at its tops and
Speaker 2: have it handy. When you shop seven eleven, you go
Speaker 2: and have seven eleven shore nine sences out of ten,
Speaker 2: you're gonna come out with some meat because.
Speaker 1: You've been programmed to subliminally into whenever you have the
Speaker 1: all opportunity to go and you see that thing that
Speaker 1: you're more likely to pick that thing that you've seen
Speaker 1: one hundred times.
Speaker 2: That's right. And then when you put that in psychological warfare,
Speaker 2: you can actually blow up a tank by moving the
Speaker 2: enemy into position to take their own tank out if
Speaker 2: it's used properly. So I mean, I'm trying to answer
Speaker 2: your question about, Yes, how you use your mind determines
Speaker 2: the thing. Musicians, trick, sight of hand all this. You
Speaker 2: see something, you react to it, and you can't explain it.
Speaker 2: But there's a code behind it. If you know the codes,
Speaker 2: you can explain it. If you don't know the codes.
Speaker 2: It's magic. Anyway, I'm gonna get off on all this
Speaker 2: for eating up all your time. I know, you guy.
Speaker 2: You guys on radio TV always short on time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: short on money and short on time.
Speaker 1: Seems to be the problem a lot here.
Speaker 2: What's going on the commercials out there? Man? You got
Speaker 2: to make some money.
Speaker 1: Some people don't like that though. They don't like people
Speaker 1: making money off of doing it.
Speaker 2: They don't they don't understand it, you know. I mean, hella,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not making any money off this. You know,
Speaker 2: let's unless you want to loan me some or something
Speaker 2: like that. You know, check. I'll tell you back.
Speaker 1: Putting that I owe you on that, bad boy. So
Speaker 1: when it comes to your military service and your ci
Speaker 1: A career, I am under the impression that there has
Speaker 1: been this uh this black budget c I a group
Speaker 1: that has been running around for a really really long time.
Speaker 1: Sure you're from you're with the Danny Castelero case. Are
Speaker 1: you familiar with Danny Castelero the Octopus murders?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, that And even before I go back a
Speaker 2: long time, I'll go back down. I'll run away from
Speaker 2: the home. When I was fourteen years old, would go
Speaker 2: to school. My mom knew all the truant officers by
Speaker 2: their first name, and so I forged a birth certificate
Speaker 2: and I went going to Texas forty ninth Army Division.
Speaker 2: You're talking about black budgets. So anyway, I learned how
Speaker 2: to drive a Sherman tank at fifteen and then I
Speaker 2: used that to go into the Army at sixteen seventeen
Speaker 2: regular Army and station in Fort Bliss. Then I got
Speaker 2: involved in a special type program that was trained to
Speaker 2: take young guys. And this was before Green Beret, this
Speaker 2: was before Special Forces. We still had the Rangers because
Speaker 2: that was the old Rangers from World War Two. The
Speaker 2: old loss Boys were our catricks are drill instructures, and
Speaker 2: so we were taught a lot of things about black ops,
Speaker 2: secret movements, how to take over a village, how to
Speaker 2: fight dirty, how to protect the operation at all costs.
Speaker 2: So all these things that you're bringing up that they've
Speaker 2: over years written about, they were started back in World
Speaker 2: War Two. Modified put back into the field, used through
Speaker 2: Korea in the fifties, coming off into these little brush wars,
Speaker 2: modified tweaked around, put back out in the field. So
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, yes, they exist so black ops.
Speaker 2: Over the years, some of the guys come out and
Speaker 2: they write books about what they did. People like you,
Speaker 2: me and others they pick up the books and say, wow,
Speaker 2: we didn't know this was going on. So yes, it's
Speaker 2: been going on since before World War Two. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what. Who developed those programs with the Nazis? We
Speaker 2: developed through op raation paper Clip brought those guys over
Speaker 2: to teach us how to fight dirty. The Loof Waffer
Speaker 2: was a perfect example. These guys used to fly these
Speaker 2: Loof whaffers and deal forty eighth street hours up popping pills.
Speaker 2: We adopted the same thing in the fifties with F
Speaker 2: eighty six Saber jets had a lot of mid air
Speaker 2: collisions in those days if you look at the record.
Speaker 2: But the point was, we were programming our military to
Speaker 2: think they had supernatural powers, and we were popping them pills.
Speaker 2: We were giving them a later LSD's, We started programs
Speaker 2: like MK Ultra. We started to try to probe the
Speaker 2: mind to see how far we could develop the mind
Speaker 2: to do a bunch of crazy things. We thought we
Speaker 2: had the power. Like I was a strainer to you earlier.
Speaker 2: We were trained to believe as a man believed this,
Speaker 2: so he becomes as the Bible says, So they adopt
Speaker 2: that program. Well, if I can make you believe you're infallible,
Speaker 2: that you can run and charge that machine gun nesk,
Speaker 2: and that all the bullets are not gonna hit you.
Speaker 2: For instance, the Indians used to have that with the
Speaker 2: Apaches were very good. That was one of the reasons
Speaker 2: that patches were so good because they believed in the
Speaker 2: spirit what they would be protect Put on all the
Speaker 2: whole armor. Put on your spiritual armor and you won't
Speaker 2: get hurt. If you really believe that you have charge
Speaker 2: that cavalry and you will be supernatural anyway, enough of
Speaker 2: that and you.
Speaker 1: Would probably succeed, because it's an important part of it
Speaker 1: is belief.
Speaker 2: Well, same guy guy running with football with the five
Speaker 2: guys chasing, if he believes he can get buy him,
Speaker 2: he's gonna get buy him. He's gonna be a good star.
Speaker 2: He's gonna gonna get a couple of million dollars because
Speaker 2: they want to pick him up. Because he's good. He
Speaker 2: knows how to get past the past, the defense. He
Speaker 2: knows how to get the job done. You know, the
Speaker 2: only reason you can get the job done is because
Speaker 2: he believes he can do it. So if you can
Speaker 2: make a person believe that they can do it, you've
Speaker 2: got a hell of an army there.
Speaker 1: Did you ever do any training at Fort Watchuka?
Speaker 2: A lot of them? Yeah, just yeah, yeah. What kind
Speaker 2: of training are you making reference to? Recently? Drawn trainings
Speaker 2: have been going on there. We've been developing drawns our
Speaker 2: psychological warfare programs in the earlier days, hated out of
Speaker 2: Fort with Chuka. It's now the one of the biggest
Speaker 2: electronic drawne facilities there is that is Seek Air Force
Speaker 2: Base out by Los Angeles. We actually flying drawnes out
Speaker 2: of bases there that we're flying them over in Afghanistan
Speaker 2: through satellite. So there's yeah, there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: goes on forth with Chika. Why why did you bring
Speaker 2: up for with Chikam.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious because to me, it seems like that
Speaker 1: a lot of the people that are that have been
Speaker 1: for Watchuka were ever stationed there for Watchuka, were never
Speaker 1: officially at for Watchuka, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like it's very top secret military installation that nobody really
Speaker 1: wants to that's.
Speaker 2: A military training base for the MPs for one thing.
Speaker 2: It's also the headquarters for electronics, it's a communications center.
Speaker 2: It's very hush hush. There's a lot of experimental stuff
Speaker 2: goes on there you don't know about. It's it's not
Speaker 2: an easy base to get on and dolf of you're
Speaker 2: pretty well monitored. But uh, there's all kinds of conspiracies
Speaker 2: that originated out of Fort with Chuck in Cheek Air
Speaker 2: Force Base and Fort Blais and Bragg and by the
Speaker 2: old Ford ord. H You know, I I don't get
Speaker 2: involved in chasing those rabbits. That's where they go. You
Speaker 2: can sit here, and that's design purposely to make you
Speaker 2: go chase a thousand rabbits, go into a thousand rabbit holes,
Speaker 2: and you missed the big rabbit hole. What's really going on? Well,
Speaker 2: this guy over here, his name's Jake. He knows the
Speaker 2: hip bombs connected to the tie bone, that thigh bone
Speaker 2: is connected to the leg bone, that leg bones connected
Speaker 2: to the knee bone. Ezekiels out there. Do you know
Speaker 2: who really set up the assassination of JFK. Moses? Moses
Speaker 2: did it? Now, let me tell you a story about
Speaker 2: what I just said. I told that to a guy
Speaker 2: there was a very heavy conspiracy nut. And I said,
Speaker 2: this went through the whole thing. And I said, you
Speaker 2: know who did it? Moses. You know what comes back
Speaker 2: to me as factual that plumbly said the most said,
Speaker 2: Israel killed Kennedy. You get my drift here, I said,
Speaker 2: the hip bones connected the lake bone. You can trace
Speaker 2: your leanage all the way back to Moses and the
Speaker 2: twelve tribes of Israel. And then suddenly I said Moses
Speaker 2: killed Kennedy, that the Israelites were responsible for Kenny's death.
Speaker 2: Do you see how things get twisted. There's a little
Speaker 2: story that kids used to do. Whisper in this kid's here,
Speaker 2: that kid wud whispered what you said in the next
Speaker 2: kid's here, Then the next kid had whispered what that said.
Speaker 2: Then at the end of the result, you don't even know.
Speaker 2: It's not anywhere near the original starting of the program.
Speaker 2: And that's what we have with conspiracies.
Speaker 1: Right, It's the game of telephone SI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, I don't know if I'm sitting there
Speaker 2: rattling around here, you know, I'm not everybody else. I
Speaker 2: don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Me. I think that you do know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, you know a lot of people look
Speaker 1: at you know, counterintelligence people or black ops people as
Speaker 1: people that you can't trust or that they're not telling
Speaker 1: the truth. And I think that there is suspicion on
Speaker 1: one hand, But on the other hand, they got to
Speaker 1: be careful with what they say, right Like, you got
Speaker 1: to be able to read in between the lines of
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. That's the way that you get
Speaker 1: the real information.
Speaker 2: Okay, in military intelligence Pentagon, you got to be very
Speaker 2: careful because you're always walking up the minefield, the third rail.
Speaker 2: Got to say all the minefield, you got to stay
Speaker 2: away from the third rail. That's what it's all about.
Speaker 2: When you're in black operations and you're doing COVID work,
Speaker 2: for instance, you're working with the type of people that's
Speaker 2: pretty hardcore. I'll give you an example. One of the
Speaker 2: crews that I work with, we're like the Dirty Dozen.
Speaker 2: They'd kill you in a heartbeat just to watch you squirm.
Speaker 2: That's the psychological program that some of these people have.
Speaker 2: Really sick people. We breed lone wolves. Now let me
Speaker 2: explain what I mean by that. Today our society, we
Speaker 2: as a society breed loan wolves. We breed lone wolves
Speaker 2: by what comes out of our mouth. Our leadership breeds
Speaker 2: the lone wolves that are doing the shooting coming out
Speaker 2: of fort which you could coming out of wherever, coming
Speaker 2: out wherever, the long guy out here, the two young
Speaker 2: kids that just did their little deal. Whether it be
Speaker 2: lone wolves or what, we breed them. You know how
Speaker 2: we breed them by the rhetorics that comes out of
Speaker 2: our mouth, our elders, and our leader's mouth. If you
Speaker 2: breed hate and poison, you're gonna get hate and poison back.
Speaker 2: Whatever you throw out there is like a boomerang, it's
Speaker 2: gonna come back at you. So we're gonna have more assassins.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have more nuts running around out here. And
Speaker 2: here's the thing. Most of these loan assassins and these
Speaker 2: lone wolves, they want to identify with something. They have
Speaker 2: to have identity. If they find a leadership that they
Speaker 2: can identify with, they will do anything that they think
Speaker 2: that that leadership wants them to do. They become like
Speaker 2: a secret army, a secret army of lone wolves that
Speaker 2: will out assassinations and they don't even know their program
Speaker 2: to do it. And that comes from leadership, that comes
Speaker 2: from what we say. I'm going to blow your ass away.
Speaker 2: I'm going to make a red glow in the eastern sunset.
Speaker 2: I'm going to set off bombs. I'm going to make
Speaker 2: you walk on the third rail. I hate you. There
Speaker 2: was a time when we used to could sit down
Speaker 2: with our neighbors and we could negotiate, and we could
Speaker 2: solve our problems. Today we just pull out a gun
Speaker 2: and blow them away. Be done with it. Look, God
Speaker 2: sort them out. I'm making sense to you.
Speaker 1: It almost seems like it's wrapping back around to the
Speaker 1: Old West days. And I mean it's kind of how
Speaker 1: things were back in those days. If you had a
Speaker 1: disagreement in an argument with someone, you just whip out
Speaker 1: your gun and you have a duel.
Speaker 2: My gun's bigger than yours. If you can't have fun
Speaker 2: with yourself, who you're going to have fun with?
Speaker 1: That's right. I'm under the impression that there are more
Speaker 1: militaries than the ones that we know about the public militaries.
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that there are more three letter organizations than
Speaker 1: the ones that we know about. Can you confirm or
Speaker 1: deny if there are more intelligence communities and the ones
Speaker 1: that are front facing in or there are more militaries
Speaker 1: in operation within the United States government than the sixth
Speaker 1: that we know about.
Speaker 2: That we're familiar with evil breeds evil. That's where we're
Speaker 2: at right now. We're in a war of good and evil.
Speaker 2: That's simple, is that. So you talk about groups out there,
Speaker 2: groups will find their own just like oil and water,
Speaker 2: you can't mix all in water. Groups will find their
Speaker 2: own level. Lone wolves will find other lone wolves, and
Speaker 2: they've become an organization. Like you're asking about, are they
Speaker 2: out there? Sure, some of them aren't organized, but yet
Speaker 2: they are. It's like the Karate, it's the same but different.
Speaker 2: They're there, but they haven't got together yet. But then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, with new and medias all like that,
Speaker 2: they get together and then they become an inagin to themselves.
Speaker 2: They don't even know what the hell they're doing and
Speaker 2: why they're doing it, but they are doing it. But
Speaker 2: they're evil. So their little pockets all over this country,
Speaker 2: little lone wolves bouncing around, not knowing what they're doing,
Speaker 2: but doing evil. We're in a war between good and evil,
Speaker 2: and my opinion, this country is in the middle of
Speaker 2: a coup a political coup maybe, but we're in a war,
Speaker 2: a political coup. We're in a war or coup of
Speaker 2: good and evil. Our young people they don't know up
Speaker 2: from down, but yet they're the ones that's going to
Speaker 2: save this country. And I don't. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: get on the soapbox there and I'm not going to
Speaker 2: get into politics. But you asked me, are the group? Yes,
Speaker 2: there's many, many groups out there, whether they're organized with
Speaker 2: a name or not. It's always like this. Who is
Speaker 2: the anonymous They they're the Latter Trilaterric Commission, They're the
Speaker 2: New War Order, They're this, They're that, they're the ABC. There,
Speaker 2: there's you've got to put a name on evil, you
Speaker 2: see what means? But everything like that is evil. That's
Speaker 2: the spirit, and that spirit comes in and absorbs individuals.
Speaker 2: Comes from our teaching. All right, what our elders teach.
Speaker 2: Go back to the Kamanche, go back to the Sioux,
Speaker 2: go back to the Indians. What did they teach? There
Speaker 2: used to be a thing that the braves would go
Speaker 2: out on a mountaintop and went to the time of
Speaker 2: the little eaves, when the moons and the suns were
Speaker 2: all aligned in order and they'd go out to this
Speaker 2: sacred place called Tanasha, and they had to sit there
Speaker 2: for three days and three nights, and if their heart
Speaker 2: was not right with the ancient ones, then they could
Speaker 2: not be accepted into the tribe, and they were cast out.
Speaker 2: What that meant was, you go out and the caliotes
Speaker 2: didn't howl, the birds didn't fly, and the moon rose
Speaker 2: and the hawks were quiet, and the stars were all
Speaker 2: in alignment, and you had to sit there and wait
Speaker 2: for the instructions of the ancient ones to come and
Speaker 2: give you wisdom and knowledge. And if you made it
Speaker 2: for three days and three nights without being scared to
Speaker 2: death as a drum brave at twelve seasons, then you'll
Speaker 2: accepted the end of the tribe. You'll become a warrior.
Speaker 2: That makes sense to you. So there's a purification ritual.
Speaker 2: We now have lost our way. We don't have the patronism,
Speaker 2: we don't have a lot of things. Anyway, I'm getting
Speaker 2: I'm getting off here. Bring me back to reality.
Speaker 1: Well, how were they effectively able to cover up your
Speaker 1: your ci a service, because from my understanding, there's not
Speaker 1: really any crud.
Speaker 2: You worked for the age all Well, I've testified the
Speaker 2: five committees. The best way to explain this when you
Speaker 2: say there is an old record. There is a record,
Speaker 2: for instance, fuel receipts of aircraft that we've fuel up.
Speaker 2: But let me put it this way. I'm going to
Speaker 2: give you a blank document. It's just a letterhead memo
Speaker 2: United States Federal Government FBI. You write on that thing
Speaker 2: whatever you want to write about yourself, about me, or
Speaker 2: about someone else. Then you give it to your colleague,
Speaker 2: and then you let him give it to someone else,
Speaker 2: and then they give it to someone else, and then
Speaker 2: after a while, what's oever on that letterhead memo? That's
Speaker 2: the official verdict. So when you come up to something
Speaker 2: like the Warrant Commission and you want to blame one
Speaker 2: guy for doing all that, all you've got to do
Speaker 2: is just put enough of it onto a letterhead memo.
Speaker 2: Forget the documentation, just write your own narrative and assimilate
Speaker 2: that narrative through many, many different channels, and it becomes fact.
Speaker 2: Am I explaining anything to you? That's what's happened in
Speaker 2: my case and many of us, of the eighty five guys,
Speaker 2: starting with Private UGMB Denson, who come out with the
Speaker 2: information that launched the Pentagon team to go in to
Speaker 2: abort the assassination at JFK. That's exactly what happened to him.
Speaker 2: He was a cryptologist. He put it two and two
Speaker 2: together through leaks on recruiting recruit assassins in foreign countries
Speaker 2: to carry out an operation in Dallas, Texas, and he
Speaker 2: went and tried to report it. Well, whoever he reported
Speaker 2: it to wrote all kinds of stuff on the letter head, memoirs,
Speaker 2: sent it out to the point that they put him
Speaker 2: in a damn lock up because they thought he was nuts.
Speaker 2: But Kennedy got killed two days after he had made
Speaker 2: his report. So anybody can hear looking at me or
Speaker 2: wherever can go and check this out. Probably you BEJ
Speaker 2: Dinkin made a report. Can you just going to be
Speaker 2: hitting Dallas, Texas? On November twenty eighth. My Goss, the
Speaker 2: guy's psychic. No. He took enough codes magic, put it
Speaker 2: together and found out what was happening is that we,
Speaker 2: our own government was recruiting assassins to take out foreign leaders,
Speaker 2: not just JFKAY. We had a program knowing to take
Speaker 2: out foreign leaders Tilio Batista or Bens, the people that
Speaker 2: did not agree with our policies at that time. Take
Speaker 2: him out. We couldn't go ahead and go and kill him,
Speaker 2: get someone else to kill them while they have a
Speaker 2: bad accident, or they die of old age, or lit't
Speaker 2: do a one step further. Let's go technical. Let's do
Speaker 2: a heart attack gun. That way, you can shoot him
Speaker 2: with a little heart attack gun. They have a heart
Speaker 2: attack and they die. Church committee covered that up, not
Speaker 2: covered it up, uncovered it. We had a heart attack gun.
Speaker 2: We went into foreign countries and took people out, told
Speaker 2: the assassination of foreign leaders. This Church committee started investigating that.
Speaker 2: They found out Victor Marchetti found out all about the
Speaker 2: school of illusionary warfare psychops. Sydney Gottlaud run the mk
Speaker 2: Ultra program that drove Frank Olson nuts through LSD before
Speaker 2: the hippie movement in San Francisco. So when you talk
Speaker 2: about this kind of stuff, you got to go back
Speaker 2: to the history. You gotta know where it starts, you
Speaker 2: gotta know why it started. And it all comes back
Speaker 2: to control. If I can control your mind, I can
Speaker 2: control what you do. I can make you do things
Speaker 2: that you wouldn't normally do. I can make you shoot
Speaker 2: your mother. If I wanted to. There was an old
Speaker 2: saying one time we were sitting around talking a bunch
Speaker 2: of old guys from the USUS and he said, hell,
Speaker 2: I'll kill you mother. You give me a dollar and
Speaker 2: a half. I'll shoot your mother and i'll give you change.
Speaker 2: The other guy says, well, would you shoot your mother?
Speaker 2: And he says, well, if you give me enough money
Speaker 2: and i'll get Oh yeah, he said if shooter hardcore teaching?
Speaker 2: Where did that come from? That the man would believe
Speaker 2: that the mission was more important than his loved ones,
Speaker 2: that he'd take him out. That has to come from
Speaker 2: psychological warfare. It has to be programmed. Today we're programming
Speaker 2: lone wolves to go out not even knowing what the
Speaker 2: hell they're doing, and take out certain people. And you
Speaker 2: disguise that. But maybe you've got one guy you want
Speaker 2: to take out, you take out five around him to
Speaker 2: make it look like that way. Anyway, so much, but
Speaker 2: let's go back the book deep cover. Clar Grays is breadcrumbs,
Speaker 2: the touches on everything we're talking about. You know, follow me,
Speaker 2: you have you haven't read the book. You haven't seen
Speaker 2: the book. So the operations that you brought up, some
Speaker 2: of them are covered in that book. Now they're not
Speaker 2: just covered with allegations, they're covered with documentations leading you
Speaker 2: where to go, so that you can prove to yourself
Speaker 2: what really happened, rather than what's on the letter head
Speaker 2: and memo.
Speaker 1: U. So whenever, whenever you would go on one of
Speaker 1: these black ops missions, would you be briefed on exactly
Speaker 1: what it was that you were supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2: Not all the time I was a copolot was I
Speaker 2: was a young guy twenty years old running gone into
Speaker 2: Cuba steven National Guard armory stuff I was talking about
Speaker 2: fifty six fifty seven. I was a National Guarden. We
Speaker 2: had keys to get into that. Not me, but I
Speaker 2: was a pilot. We had keys to get into National
Speaker 2: Guard armies and we would take the weapons and stuff
Speaker 2: and bload them on our air cleft, fly them down
Speaker 2: the Marathon Key off pau Plum Island into Center into
Speaker 2: the sierrah Madri to a little guy who we call
Speaker 2: Castor Oil for the l Castro in nineteen fifty six.
Speaker 2: We supplied him with guns. And at the same time,
Speaker 2: our foreign policy was set up to the Pan American Treaty.
Speaker 2: Because of a sovereign government. We had to supply guns, tanks,
Speaker 2: and airplanes to Bautista. So Batista is using arc planes,
Speaker 2: guns and aircraft to take out a little old rebel.
Speaker 2: Have had fifty six guys that just shot up a
Speaker 2: bunch of barricks. We're using our weapons to take him out. Well,
Speaker 2: we have a go overt operation of CIA, like me
Speaker 2: as a Coppolat flying plane loads of weapons to a
Speaker 2: little rebel in the Sera Madra mountains. Now, what does
Speaker 2: that look like to you? We are supplying both sides.
Speaker 2: We get involved in a conflict, we escalate that conflict,
Speaker 2: and we furnish weapons to both sides of that conflict.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, why would we do that money money
Speaker 2: in those weapons? What about that money in those weapons? Well, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you three percent of the weapons that
Speaker 2: I put on my airplane. I'm putting five hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars weapons on my airplane. You're running for office, you
Speaker 2: need campaign contributions, right, Well, you set it up to
Speaker 2: where I can get more airplanes from Davis Mouth and
Speaker 2: Air Force Base surplus, so I can put in my
Speaker 2: operation and I'll run some cocaine, and I'll run some guns,
Speaker 2: and I'll give you a percentage to go into your
Speaker 2: campaign constribution so you can keep your position. Let me
Speaker 2: go one step further. We used to run politicians out
Speaker 2: of Miami to go down to Havana on gambling junkets
Speaker 2: for the weekend. Wow, Havana was wide open prostitution, drugs,
Speaker 2: and gambling. Our politicians weekend get free passes. Tied in
Speaker 2: with mafia, organized crime. Same time as running out of
Speaker 2: Las Vegas. Same thing with bugs, dice evil, same people
Speaker 2: running organizations organized crime out of Havana. Our politicians, Buddy, buddy, buddy.
Speaker 2: We fly them down there and aircraft cut out companies
Speaker 2: and they party for the weekend. Now here's something I'm
Speaker 2: going to tell you that you might not like. But
Speaker 2: just all things acting up. Some of these girls fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen were homeless orphans on the street in Havana.
Speaker 2: They would tie in with these guys. So then we
Speaker 2: found out that they were transporting some of these little
Speaker 2: girls back on our airplanes to go to a place
Speaker 2: called the Quorm Club in New Jersey, and that club
Speaker 2: run a prostitution ring of young girls from Havana that
Speaker 2: our politicians brought back on our airplanes. My Paul at
Speaker 2: Roja said, I'm gonna start asking for IDs that these
Speaker 2: girls have to be over twenty son. Now, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: what does that sound like?
Speaker 1: Sounds like Epstein?
Speaker 2: Check it out. Quorm Club. Bobby Baker served nineteen months
Speaker 2: for running girls on a whorehouse a half block away
Speaker 2: from the Corn Club. How did the Corn Club get
Speaker 2: their liquor from airplanes flying Mathusalem run from Havana, supplied
Speaker 2: by the Mafia organized crime, put on our aircraft and
Speaker 2: brought back to the to the play. Okay, anyway, I'm
Speaker 2: getting off here. But what what? What year was nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty six, eight fifty nine, sixty sixty one, all the
Speaker 2: way up to Kennedy. Kennedy knew about it. There was
Speaker 2: a German Uh well, we just have your listeners. Go
Speaker 2: check it out Corn Club, Bobby Baker. You'll find out
Speaker 2: they had German ladies, prostitutes getting information from our elected officials.
Speaker 2: Because it was known as the Gentleman's Club. It wasn't
Speaker 2: just where you walk in. You had to be a member.
Speaker 2: You had to be sponsored by somebody. Okay, what did
Speaker 2: I just say here? I said, there's a special club
Speaker 2: that was set up in the fifties and the sixties
Speaker 2: by our politicians out of Washington, d C. They would
Speaker 2: go down to Havana, pick up little women, bring them back,
Speaker 2: farm them out at the Corn Club, bring liquor and
Speaker 2: stuff back to supply the liquor. And you had to
Speaker 2: have a reference or a sponsor to get in to
Speaker 2: be a member of the Gentleman's Club, which had a whorehouse.
Speaker 2: And they stalked the whorehouse. I'm sorry about using the language,
Speaker 2: but they stalked it with litt with underage women. Now, okay,
Speaker 2: where did you hear that at? You heard it from
Speaker 2: Tosh Plumley, a legs CIA opportunity, A guy that doesn't
Speaker 2: know crap about shit from Shinola Okay, a guy that's
Speaker 2: waiting on us, sitting on the air own elephant's ass,
Speaker 2: waiting for a pimple to pop. That kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So we're a pretty crooked people. Not the people, but
Speaker 2: we are. Some of our elected officials were just as
Speaker 2: corrupt back then as they are now. Why do you
Speaker 2: think they won't release records because they will expose the
Speaker 2: sins that they've been involved with for over sixty years.
Speaker 1: Anyway, what's really interesting about this is a quorum. Club
Speaker 1: is also known as club.
Speaker 2: Well, there we go to create a thousand things, and
Speaker 2: the point is that it works and has tied the
Speaker 2: money in drugs cocaine. Let me ask you one question.
Speaker 2: If you sit right there and you looked in this
Speaker 2: camera and you told the federal government you run thirty
Speaker 2: tons of cocaine in this country and see one thirties
Speaker 2: to military bases, what would happen to you?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not really sure because not in the military.
Speaker 1: Are you saying that I'm if I was, I was
Speaker 1: doing this.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying you're a civilian, you're not military. But
Speaker 2: you said, and you tell somebody, you tell a federal officer,
Speaker 2: I'll just run thirty tons of cocaine in your country
Speaker 2: over six months period and see one thirties.
Speaker 1: Well you would expect some sort of investigation at the least.
Speaker 2: Well, not if it's sanctioned, right, Not if you're getting
Speaker 2: three to eight percent return money on your campaign contribution
Speaker 2: to cut out companies and through slush funding, set up
Speaker 2: your set up your shell corporation, do it legal, and
Speaker 2: then fund it through illegal money, drugs and guns. So
Speaker 2: this isn't just good fast and furious guns to Mexico,
Speaker 2: guns to Guatemala, meg MiGs being sold to Nicaraguay all document.
Speaker 2: So that's what they don't want out in the public.
Speaker 2: They don't want those. Do you realize that Nicaragua had
Speaker 2: fifteen MiGs? This was before the missile crisis. I can
Speaker 2: give you a document that shows that we took Cuban
Speaker 2: trainees to fly those MiGs in Nicaragua. We had a
Speaker 2: Cuban missile crisis at the same time we were putting
Speaker 2: MiGs and Nicaragua. According to the own FBI document and
Speaker 2: the CIA document recently released, Joe and Nidas Georgia. Nidas
Speaker 2: just recently released was a PsiOps operatives out of JM Wave.
Speaker 2: But for sixty years, the CIA and the FBI city
Speaker 2: didn't exist. That the operatives that mentioned his name is
Speaker 2: code names. They fabricated his story. Have your listeners go
Speaker 2: back and check what happened in the last three months
Speaker 2: when the CI actually admitted they didn't give him a
Speaker 2: medal and they filtered him into the House Select Committee
Speaker 2: on the Assassination to clean up anything that would take
Speaker 2: away from the lone Gunman. Also, Jev, your audience, check
Speaker 2: this out. Jagar Hoover sent a directive to the Dallas
Speaker 2: Police Department, and I mean to the Dallas Police Department
Speaker 2: and the essay Sacks of Dallas FBI to destroy all
Speaker 2: the records pertaining to Lee Harvey Oswald. One of the
Speaker 2: records was Lee wrote a letter please leave my wife alone.
Speaker 2: They were threatened to retaliate Marina back with her daughter
Speaker 2: to Russia if she didn't admit that Lee's shot. Kennedy bingo.
Speaker 2: Now you hear that from Plumbley. My name's Robert Toosh Plumbley.
Speaker 2: I'm a bser. I'll just give you a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of crap. Go check it out. That's your spirit. Testify
Speaker 2: to your spirit if I'm telling the truth or not.
Speaker 2: My point is this, we don't check things out. Whatever
Speaker 2: the federal government tells us, whatever our leadership tells us,
Speaker 2: we accept it at face value, and we don't hold
Speaker 2: them accountable when they're wrong and when they lie to us,
Speaker 2: we don't hold them accountable.
Speaker 1: I think that's changing right now, though. I think people
Speaker 1: are really wising out to what's going on. I think
Speaker 1: that that is definitely changing. I want to go back.
Speaker 1: I want to go back really quickly. To this. Uh
Speaker 1: this what did you call it? This club? The quorum club?
Speaker 1: How long did this going operation? Is it still going on?
Speaker 2: These kind of things. Look, if it's a moneymaker and
Speaker 2: it's successful, yes it will go on, but it will
Speaker 2: change in a mile grade. Just like I told you,
Speaker 2: it's an operation. Put it on the shell for a while,
Speaker 2: let it cool off. Then when the circumstances didn't take
Speaker 2: it off shelf, dust it, tweak it, put it back
Speaker 2: out in the field. It works. It works because it
Speaker 2: brings money into your coffer. How long did it go on?
Speaker 2: Check out Bobby Baker back in there. I mean, now,
Speaker 2: with the Internet, you don't have to wait thirty days
Speaker 2: to get a reply. Just run it through Bobby Baker,
Speaker 2: Quorn club. There's your answer. Now we got this AI.
Speaker 2: It's like any tool. If you use it right, it's good.
Speaker 2: If you use that tool wrong, you're gonna get hurt.
Speaker 2: And see what I'm getting that same way with the internet.
Speaker 2: Internet is great if you use the tool right, but
Speaker 2: if you use it wrong, you're gonna get in trouble.
Speaker 2: If you use electric tool wrong, you kill yourself. To
Speaker 2: use the Internet wrong, you can kill yourself if you
Speaker 2: use AI wrong. You can kill yourself or kill other people.
Speaker 2: We're at a crazy age right now. Anyway, enough of
Speaker 2: Plumber's book whatever.
Speaker 1: So if you weren't always aware of these, like what
Speaker 1: you were supposed to be doing on these black ops missions. Uh,
Speaker 1: how did you know that?
Speaker 2: That was fast? Real fast? I know you got you
Speaker 2: got that. I'm gonna get I'm gonna go in. How
Speaker 2: did I get in Dallas? How did I see the
Speaker 2: man's head blown off? Was I operational? Here's the story,
Speaker 2: real fast. I was a copolot on a flight that
Speaker 2: was originated out of the Pentagon to take a team
Speaker 2: to Dallas. I didn't know who what the hell they
Speaker 2: were doing. I had two friends that was in Cuba
Speaker 2: with me. One of them was third Joe, and have
Speaker 2: Sergio goped me out of the swamps. I've got my
Speaker 2: code name Sapata Velma Esplin and we later married. Role
Speaker 2: Castro big story. A lot of stories here, but that's
Speaker 2: my leanings. That's where I come from, nineteen fifty six,
Speaker 2: running around after a plane crash in Cuba, trying to
Speaker 2: get the hell out of there, and then Sergio with
Speaker 2: Velma comes up and they get me out of the swamps.
Speaker 2: And I lost my shoe, and they said Sapata. That's
Speaker 2: how I got a code name Sapata. But no a
Speaker 2: Boucher oil company or bushel, all and all the crap,
Speaker 2: simple as that I was running around. So I go
Speaker 2: back to the rebel camp and then Paddel Castro gives
Speaker 2: me a hat and gives me a cup of coffee
Speaker 2: and give me a shoe shoes. I had one shoe.
Speaker 2: I lost one shoe. Velma Esplin later known the code
Speaker 2: names twenty six seven. Her name was code named Debra.
Speaker 2: I said a Mexican hut. I'm not a Mexican hut,
Speaker 2: but a hut on the jungle. And watch her wrapped
Speaker 2: dynamite with the duct tape and set fuses. She was
Speaker 2: my friend to the day. She died in two o six.
Speaker 2: She headed up the women's movement in Havana. She married
Speaker 2: Roll Castro. They had a bunch of kids. Good lady,
Speaker 2: fine lady. Ralph Kestrol is ninety four years old. We
Speaker 2: just arrested him for murderer of the brothers. I used
Speaker 2: to fly those pamphlets in there. We used to drop
Speaker 2: pamphlets not over Havana, outside Havanah. We never violated their
Speaker 2: airspace or their sovereignery of the land. We flew nine
Speaker 2: thousand feet and pushed pamphlets into the trade winds to
Speaker 2: blow over Havana. That's the story. This brothers shot down
Speaker 2: a MiG shot down two brothers to Skymaster airplanes because
Speaker 2: the markings had bled through. Anyway, it's another story there, and.
Speaker 1: That that's their original counterintelligence operation. Right. You would fly
Speaker 1: these pamphlets over other countries that I haven't missing disinformation
Speaker 1: on them, correct.
Speaker 2: And we would take photographs of the area and would
Speaker 2: use that drop deal. So that was propaganda. Like I
Speaker 2: said earlier, the first thing you do, you could capture
Speaker 2: the radio stations you put out their own propaganda those pamphlets.
Speaker 2: Germans did this in World War Two. We did it
Speaker 2: with Cuba, we did it with Batista, we did it
Speaker 2: with Castro. So but the point was Castro said that
Speaker 2: we were flying over Havana. We never flew over Havana.
Speaker 2: Castro said that they wanted to put out a twelve
Speaker 2: mile limit, and it was a three mile limit. International
Speaker 2: did not accept twelve mile limit. The brothers went into
Speaker 2: a mile four mile limit. There were six miles outside
Speaker 2: of Cuba. Two Megs come out and chased them, chased
Speaker 2: them thirteen miles offshore and shot them down, kill them.
Speaker 2: That's the story breaking right down the paper we just got.
Speaker 2: We just charged RALH. Cassel with murder on those boys
Speaker 2: that got killed. Friends. We're flying those missions. What are
Speaker 2: they flying? That's the fortilla. Those people were coming out
Speaker 2: trying to escape Cuba and they were drowning in the
Speaker 2: Florida Straits and their brothers rescue was dropping rafts and
Speaker 2: food and water to those people when they got chased
Speaker 2: by Meg. The MiG pilot later thought it was a
Speaker 2: raid because the markings of the Skymasters as that got
Speaker 2: from Miranda Airpark, they hadn't completely painted them, and they
Speaker 2: bled through and you could still see the star and
Speaker 2: it looked like an official US Air Force airplane according
Speaker 2: to the big pilot, and he fired on it because
Speaker 2: it was in Cuban airspace. The MiG pilot recognized twelve
Speaker 2: mile limit, the international recognized three mile limit. Skuymaster was
Speaker 2: six miles. Now there's your story. This is current. So
Speaker 2: now we arrest this guy from murder. I was shooting
Speaker 2: down that goes two planes. The first one was shot
Speaker 2: down and an hour later the second was shot down.
Speaker 2: The second one was shot down five miles further close
Speaker 2: to to Key West. You know how we know that
Speaker 2: because of the Key West balloon it was flying that
Speaker 2: took the pictures. See, we don't know that yet. They
Speaker 2: haven't released that. They will in a few days. But
Speaker 2: the pictures tell the tale. But the information that came
Speaker 2: out of Cuba was that we flew over Havana, we
Speaker 2: violated their airspace, we went beyond their twelve mile limit,
Speaker 2: and we dropped pamphlets over Havana. It's not true. Planes
Speaker 2: never even got in inland. They were shot down before
Speaker 2: they got there. So now, well that happened in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six. So now after all these years, we filed
Speaker 2: charges on Role Castro for murder. Am I talking out
Speaker 2: of school here?
Speaker 1: No? That makes sense.
Speaker 2: It's true, this is current, this is happening today. So
Speaker 2: Cuba tells the international committees that we violated their airspace
Speaker 2: and we were over Havana bombing their refineries, which is true.
Speaker 2: We had some mercenaries that did that. Frank Sturgey's was
Speaker 2: a good friend of mine. I flew with Frank Surgers
Speaker 2: over inside Cuba. Anyway, I'm getting off base here. I'm
Speaker 2: getting into areas that I'm not supposed to get into.
Speaker 1: No, you're you're completely right. I mean, here's the Washington
Speaker 1: Post article right here. I'll bring it up on the
Speaker 1: screen so one can see here. Well, it wants me
Speaker 1: to pay, wants me to pay to view the article,
Speaker 1: of course it does.
Speaker 2: The one is this, we have to we have to
Speaker 2: start paying attention. We have to start doing something besides
Speaker 2: sitting there, uh, getting these rabbit holes. I've made a statement.
Speaker 2: Maybe I shouldn't say it. I don't know if I
Speaker 2: can say it on your air or not, but it's
Speaker 2: about rabbit holes. And I made the statement that we
Speaker 2: have our heads so deep in rabbit holes that the
Speaker 2: only thing showing is our ah. Does that make sense
Speaker 2: to you? Our hole? Okay? Good, you said it. So
Speaker 2: all whether which we are led to go jump in
Speaker 2: these rabbit holes put our heads so damn deep in
Speaker 2: these rabbit holes that the only thing showing is our asshole.
Speaker 2: Now you know what I'm what I mean by that,
Speaker 2: we get wrapped up and what's in the bottom of
Speaker 2: that rabbit hole, and we miss the who dug a
Speaker 2: rabbit hole?
Speaker 1: That's because nobody knows what to do. Tash like there's
Speaker 1: we can't believe in the political institutions anymore. We both
Speaker 1: we know that both sides are just that scrubs.
Speaker 2: So what can we do as American people? We could
Speaker 2: do what we used to do. Look what we did
Speaker 2: in World War Two. I mean, I tell the story
Speaker 2: and is the time. I don't know how much time
Speaker 2: we got, but I'll tell the story. When I was
Speaker 2: a kid six seven years old, nineteen forty five, Roosevelt died.
Speaker 2: I remember the school. Every morning we used to gather
Speaker 2: around in a circle around the flagpole and we put
Speaker 2: our hand over our heart and we would pread the
Speaker 2: allegiance to the flag as we slowly raised the flag
Speaker 2: up the flag pole. Roosevelt died, and my dad was
Speaker 2: crying and taking me to school, and everybody had they
Speaker 2: raising the flag, and everybody stopped on the road and
Speaker 2: got out of their car and put their hand over
Speaker 2: their heart as the American flag was being raised. If
Speaker 2: you did that today, somebody shoots you. There was another
Speaker 2: incident in Honand Park, Pharmasay on Knox Street and Travis
Speaker 2: in Dallas, Texas, and that's where all the servicemen in
Speaker 2: world War two used to bring their pictures of their
Speaker 2: ships and airplanes and they would sign them and they
Speaker 2: stuck them on the wall, and the wall was full
Speaker 2: of be seventeens and ships. And I mean the patron
Speaker 2: has loved with They loved their ship. That was their home.
Speaker 2: They loved their airplane that was their home. They loved
Speaker 2: their service, that was them. Anyway, one time, there's what
Speaker 2: they call a for effort. He didn't serve. He couldn't
Speaker 2: He had bone spurs, so he couldn't be in the service.
Speaker 2: So anyway, he dropped the American flag on the floor
Speaker 2: at Holland Park Pharmacy and a marine has just come
Speaker 2: back from Saipan literally beat the hell out of that
Speaker 2: guy for dropping the American flag on the floor, for
Speaker 2: showing disrespect to the flag. Now maybe that's a little extreme,
Speaker 2: but the guys laying there pretty bloody because the marine
Speaker 2: kicked his button because he showed disrespect for the American flag.
Speaker 2: Now look what we got today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got people that can freely burn the flag
Speaker 1: and not have any repercussions or nobody really says anything
Speaker 1: or about to Nye's for a long time. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's desoralization. Process that is that the United States have
Speaker 1: has gone through.
Speaker 2: I mean, you ask what we can do?
Speaker 1: You're a buzzman off in the KGB defactor talking about
Speaker 1: how you completely subvert an entire country. And that's the
Speaker 1: way you do it. You demoralize them, you you know,
Speaker 1: take them. You know it's it's uh forced up planning.
Speaker 1: There's like a whole there's a whole plan to this,
Speaker 1: and it's been a plan for a really long time.
Speaker 1: Like everything has been said.
Speaker 2: Let me say that this way. If you don't have
Speaker 2: respect for yourself, how can you have respect for this country?
Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying here? Where are we now?
Speaker 2: We don't respect ourselves, we don't respect our brothers, we
Speaker 2: don't respect our society. We won't stand up for what
Speaker 2: we believe because we have no belief anyway. So now see,
Speaker 2: I'm getting into areas here that I say I don't
Speaker 2: want to get into. But turist and truth. What do
Speaker 2: we do? We have to get back to making our
Speaker 2: brothers accountable for what they do. We're being look, apathy
Speaker 2: has destroyed this country. That's where it's at. Apathy. We
Speaker 2: are desensitized and that's a program We're desensitized to accept
Speaker 2: what is happening. When a man blows another man away,
Speaker 2: or a woman or whatever on the street, that's perfectly okay.
Speaker 2: There was times when when there was a shooting in
Speaker 2: another city one hundred miles away, it made major news.
Speaker 2: Now we have shooting a half block away and it
Speaker 2: doesn't FaZe anybody. It's acceptable. We're desensitized. Apathy has destroyed
Speaker 2: this country.
Speaker 1: But that also gets into movies, that gets into video
Speaker 1: games that come like that wraps back around this subliminal
Speaker 1: programming that we were talking about in the beginning of
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 2: Education. You destroy the education system, what are you going
Speaker 2: to get You destroy the education system through whatever if
Speaker 2: you don't look it up in acyculopedia and take the time.
Speaker 2: I mean, now you don't have to do any well anyway,
Speaker 2: not going to get into that. But our political structure
Speaker 2: has destroyed our institution because of greed and money and
Speaker 2: drugs in other words, prostitution, drugs, money, guns, bingo. That's
Speaker 2: our society. But look what we breed assassins twelve thirteen, fourteen, sixteen,
Speaker 2: nineteen year old kids. I think it's perfectly all right
Speaker 2: to go out and just say, oh I don't agree
Speaker 2: with you, I'll just shoot you, or I'm not I
Speaker 2: don't have anything on boards. Also, don't get me on
Speaker 2: a K four seven, and I'm gonna go shoot up
Speaker 2: to town. Al. I am so star for affection and
Speaker 2: not to be knowledge. I want someone to recognize me.
Speaker 2: I want my name in the paper. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go shoot somebody. Am I talking off base here or
Speaker 2: am I talking to facts? Well?
Speaker 1: I think that God is a part of it. I
Speaker 1: think another part of it is uh, just straight up
Speaker 1: mind control. They want that type of thing to happen
Speaker 1: because it is a part of this four step, four
Speaker 1: pronged attack, which is demoralization, destabilization, crisis, and normalization. So
Speaker 1: all they have to do is do a few of
Speaker 1: these that are real, and then they set back, and
Speaker 1: then they have then the actual loonies.
Speaker 2: Go out and do it. If I want to take
Speaker 2: over your country, the first thing I'm gonna do is
Speaker 2: take over your education system. I'm gonna start out young.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get your four, five, six year old kids,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna start used to We used to get
Speaker 2: educateds at home. We used to have an education system
Speaker 2: that worked. We used to respect each other. Anyway, I'm
Speaker 2: getting off on the craziest tangent here.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the kids nowadays that are literally
Speaker 1: beating their teachers, Like I see the videos online of
Speaker 1: kids just flopping the shit out of their teachers for
Speaker 1: absolutely no reason. It's starting crazy.
Speaker 2: And again there shows no accountability, and the carry that
Speaker 2: all the way up to us adults. We don't show
Speaker 2: any accountability when these politicians lie to us, when these
Speaker 2: politicians run their special ops, when these politicians bring little
Speaker 2: girls back and pour them out to older people and
Speaker 2: then hide it and lie to us about it. And
Speaker 2: I'm not just talking about what's just recently happened. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about going on for over sixty years. Otheris, corn
Speaker 2: Club is not the only whorehouse run by our politicians
Speaker 2: in this country. Do you want to understand why they
Speaker 2: won't release those documents? And do you understand why they
Speaker 2: won't release the doctor. Look, there's seventeen thousand documents on
Speaker 2: me in the Pentagon archive files. Why won't they release them?
Speaker 2: I'm challenging right now on your camera, why don't you
Speaker 2: release those? Plumbly, My name's Plumby, by the way, and
Speaker 2: I wrote a book called deep Cover, Shehallow Grays, release
Speaker 2: my damn documents. There's an executive order out there. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put myself on point. I'm not going to point
Speaker 2: to someone else over here and say release this documents. No, hell, listen,
Speaker 2: Let's start with Plumbley. Let's start with this book, Deep
Speaker 2: Cover Shallow Grays. Let's start with him looking into your
Speaker 2: camera and say, hey, Pentagon, release my damn files because
Speaker 2: you got an order there from the President of the
Speaker 2: United States, your commander chief, release the damn files. And
Speaker 2: then we'll find out did you really send a team
Speaker 2: to Dallas to stop the killing of a president? Was
Speaker 2: the FBI, through Jay Hoover had prior knowledge that the
Speaker 2: team was in Dallas to kill the president and they
Speaker 2: didn't do anything? Is that what those documents are all about.
Speaker 2: Why was it so important to character assassinate people like
Speaker 2: Plumbley on letter head memos rather than just say he's
Speaker 2: full of crap. Don't pay any attention to him. He's
Speaker 2: fabricated this whole story for sixty something years, he's testified
Speaker 2: in three committees, he's written a book. It's all in
Speaker 2: the book. Read the book, Deep Cover, Shallow Grays. It
Speaker 2: was released on April to twenty first this year. It's
Speaker 2: doing pretty good. But I can tell he's doing pretty
Speaker 2: good by the nature of the questions are coming back,
Speaker 2: which you asked some of them. You're very good. You're
Speaker 2: you're very good at.
Speaker 1: What you do, you know, but thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just got one more for you, and then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you go. So you know, back to this
Speaker 1: idea that you don't really know what was going on
Speaker 1: exactly because you're the pilot, right, You're not the one
Speaker 1: that's actually out there executing this stuff in the field.
Speaker 1: You're the one that's flying these people into the operation
Speaker 1: for them to go out and do the thing that
Speaker 1: you're flying them to do. How do you know that
Speaker 1: the mission to Dallas to stop the assassination of the
Speaker 1: president wasn't the people that were there to do the
Speaker 1: actual assassination. So in other words, you know that you
Speaker 1: weren't the one that was flying the people need to
Speaker 1: do the actual assassination.
Speaker 2: Okay, the team that we flew in, I flew in
Speaker 2: after the deal, the way they act when I got
Speaker 2: back on the plane at Redbirds and some of them
Speaker 2: were there, some of them wasn't there A couple of
Speaker 2: them that was on the plane, wasn't there. But anyway,
Speaker 2: we got back out there. The guys were crying. They
Speaker 2: had their head they couldn't look at each other. I
Speaker 2: walked through the other was I wrote about this one time.
Speaker 2: I walked them up from the back of the C
Speaker 2: forty seven or the DC III, from the back to
Speaker 2: the front. And Sergio looked at me, and Sturgey's looked
Speaker 2: at me and he said, and he's got tears in
Speaker 2: his eyes, and the other words in my pilot Rojas,
Speaker 2: he said, just get in here, buckle up. It's a
Speaker 2: Cuban thing. And I said, lord, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: what happened. Nobody was happy whip from many many missions
Speaker 2: and if they were successful, they come back slapping each
Speaker 2: other on the back and laughing, and they covered it off.
Speaker 2: They completed their mission. This mission was a total failure
Speaker 2: from the very beginning. This mission was an inside job,
Speaker 2: and they knew it. They were outed from day one
Speaker 2: out it. They knew it. So you asked me how
Speaker 2: I knew that there was a team. If that was
Speaker 2: a team that went in there to kill Kennedy. Fact,
Speaker 2: here's the story. Then the book Deep Covers Hell of graves.
Speaker 2: I want one step father. I released some very sensitive
Speaker 2: classified information and I was told, don't you do it
Speaker 2: because it's an ongoing investigation the FBI. And I'm looking
Speaker 2: at your camera right now and I'm putting myself on point.
Speaker 2: FBI told me you can't do that is an ongoing investigation,
Speaker 2: it's classified. You testified in nineteen seventy six to the
Speaker 2: Church Committee and you told this story, and you drew
Speaker 2: a map of where the triangulations shooting were, and you
Speaker 2: said there was another team on the south side. You can't.
Speaker 2: That's under seal, that's under a SAP program, that's under
Speaker 2: a NOR four Eastern classified information. If you put that
Speaker 2: in your book, send a book now. If they did
Speaker 2: come against me, they got to do full disclosure. That
Speaker 2: means they got to give my attorney every damn thing
Speaker 2: they got on me if they filed charges for me
Speaker 2: releasing that classified information. The classified information is this. After
Speaker 2: the shooting, the North team called two of the shooters
Speaker 2: going across the railroad track and Bowers Tower saw them.
Speaker 2: The man in the tower saw him, They got him,
Speaker 2: put him in a car, blew their brains out and
Speaker 2: buried him over by the ballpark tren as the river.
Speaker 2: Now I'm talking to your camera. Now I'm telling classified information.
Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to say, Oh, that's just conspiracy stuff.
Speaker 2: I read it on a letterhead memo, that's Plumbles's fabrication. No,
Speaker 2: it come out in the Dallas Times old years later
Speaker 2: when they tore down the ball deal and they had
Speaker 2: Jefferson and Katie's Street bydock, and they made the freeway
Speaker 2: going through there. They dug up human bones. Do you
Speaker 2: know how they covered that story? They said they were
Speaker 2: Indian bones from an Indian barrel ground. But the tribe
Speaker 2: of the Indians, which was the Comanche and the chick Chaw,
Speaker 2: said there was no barre of grounds on the Trinity River.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't bury their air there where the river flooded.
Speaker 2: There was no barrel ground. So then the Dallas Times
Speaker 2: her the story was killed because it was an ongoing investigation.
Speaker 2: To this day, that's been sixty something years ago, nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty seven. The stories in the book deep Cover. Celigras
Speaker 2: don't have time here. I know you've got to go.
Speaker 2: But the stories in the book. Now, someone says, well,
Speaker 2: by gosh, this guy's got a hell of imagination. He
Speaker 2: really fabricates. Oh, just check it out. We've Ralph Fazzulu
Speaker 2: is my co writer. We did nothing but put bread
Speaker 2: crumbs out for my readers and our readers to follow,
Speaker 2: bread crumbs leading to the documentation of the letterhead memos
Speaker 2: to substantiate what we said. What I said in closed
Speaker 2: door session and open door session to the Senator Church
Speaker 2: Committee and Senator Carers Committee and Senator Heart Gary Hart.
Speaker 2: So it's on record. It's not something that this guy
Speaker 2: pulled out the sky and wrote about. No. I joined
Speaker 2: the army and when I was fourteen years old, I
Speaker 2: got DD two fourteens. I'm one hundred percent disabled veteran.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, hundred percent disabled veteran. I mean, this guy,
Speaker 2: he's a bullshitter. See what I'm getting at now, then
Speaker 2: I'll do They.
Speaker 1: Love to discredit people. I mean, that's.
Speaker 2: In this case if they come out the Pentagon on
Speaker 2: those files I just requested to be released, and it
Speaker 2: shows that the Pentagon contacted the CIA, and the CIA
Speaker 2: acted as logistical support and took a pilot, a co
Speaker 2: polot twenty something years old flying with a Roe host,
Speaker 2: a Cuban pilot that flew for Arigona Air Cargo and
Speaker 2: plumbing flew for Riddle Airlines and Interstate Mountain Avis, which
Speaker 2: later determined through hearings of the CIA front companies went
Speaker 2: in with CIA logistical support to stop the assassination of
Speaker 2: a president from intelligence that they received from a private
Speaker 2: Chincing dencon in France. Dincin later was put in a
Speaker 2: mental ward discredited. Everybody that was associated as one form
Speaker 2: or another through j Edgar Hoover was discredited on letterhead
Speaker 2: memos written by special agents of the FBI. I'll say
Speaker 2: it again, special agents of the FBI with through the
Speaker 2: directions of j Edgar Hoover, doctored letterhead memois to change
Speaker 2: the narrative before it went to the Warren Commission. Information
Speaker 2: about the board team coming out of the Pentagon with
Speaker 2: CIA logistical support was not in those letterhead memos and
Speaker 2: was not sent to the House Select Committee on the
Speaker 2: assassination through Senator Congressman Downing and Senator Schwiker didn't reach
Speaker 2: the who withheld it. The Federal Bureau of Investigation, Department
Speaker 2: of Justice withheld information to the Warren Commission about what
Speaker 2: I just told you. Now at this late date can
Speaker 2: you prove that. Well, Okay, let me back up here
Speaker 2: real fast, since I'm gonna get my butt in trouble
Speaker 2: here already have Joe notis joan Notice didn't exist. According
Speaker 2: to the letter head memos, Joannais was a pig one
Speaker 2: of Plumbley's and others imagination. There was no Jenaiis that
Speaker 2: was in charge of psychops. According to CIA. Just recently,
Speaker 2: one of the investigations just got the CIA came out.
Speaker 2: Readers check it. CIA remit they lied there. Joe Nanadis
Speaker 2: was a high ranking psyops, had worked at Naxhead, North Carolina,
Speaker 2: Illusionary Warfare, worked with Lee Harvey Oswald just came out.
Speaker 2: FBI doesn't want that information out because what they did,
Speaker 2: they withheld it. They can't afford to release those documents
Speaker 2: because what would happen if it was through their own
Speaker 2: documentation that is sealed court sealed with an SAP program
Speaker 2: with no far all over it. If they released it,
Speaker 2: what would happen? They withheld information from the warrant Commission.
Speaker 2: J Ed Hoover doctored the files. Jeff Hoover notified the
Speaker 2: Dallas FBI to destroy all Lee Harvey al'swall files, destroy
Speaker 2: the letter that Lee wrote complaining about them harassing his wife,
Speaker 2: threatening to deport her if she didn't confess that. Lee
Speaker 2: shot Kennedy. Now this is on tape, right, Play it
Speaker 2: to the CIA, play it to the FBI. Now bring
Speaker 2: me in front of a judge, because when you do,
Speaker 2: you've got to bring the documents to support your claim
Speaker 2: against me, release and classified information. Now, attorneys out there
Speaker 2: know what I just said, So come on, bring bring
Speaker 2: the charges on me. They call that false accusations against
Speaker 2: the government fact f A G charge. First, I thought
Speaker 2: they were calling me gay, and I got a little
Speaker 2: bit upset with them, you know. But uh, you know,
Speaker 2: it looks that something different where they got to name
Speaker 2: it that, well I got you know, I got documents proved.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: I know you gotta go. We run out of time
Speaker 2: on all this stuff, you know. But uh but anyway, Uh,
Speaker 2: sometimes you don't want to know the things you know. Uh,
Speaker 2: back in the days, Uh, we used to have a
Speaker 2: thing like you know, you asked me, if your question,
Speaker 2: how do you know this? How you know that? There
Speaker 2: was a time when we used to say, hey, man,
Speaker 2: don't tell me that. Don't tell me what you're doing
Speaker 2: I don't want to know. It's like when when you're
Speaker 2: in Vietnam and a new guy comes on, you don't
Speaker 2: want to get to know him because they may be
Speaker 2: blown away tomorrow. You don't want to get to like anybody.
Speaker 2: You don't want to know anything about what somebody else
Speaker 2: is doing. You don't want to be involved. You don't
Speaker 2: want to know the things you know, and you sure
Speaker 2: as held don't want some guy ragging. Hey, a man,
Speaker 2: I was there to stop the Kennedy assassination. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you my story, and you sure has held. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me real back up here, check this one out.
Speaker 2: Two days before usually was reported missing, I met with
Speaker 2: the FBI concerned about his safety and my safety and
Speaker 2: was we going to be subpoenaed again? Sam Jay Conna
Speaker 2: has just been killed nine months before. He was going
Speaker 2: back the second time to testify about assassination attempts on
Speaker 2: foreign leaders. I know we're running out, running out of
Speaker 2: time here, right, yeah, we can go from okay. So
Speaker 2: so anyway, I was concerned about my safety because I
Speaker 2: was going to be subpoened back to testify the second time,
Speaker 2: like ROSSELLI, like Johnny ROSSELLI. So I made contact, asked
Speaker 2: the FBI, what can I do? Are they gonna subpoenion
Speaker 2: me again? I'm concerned, and I'm concerned about my friend
Speaker 2: Johnny Rosselli. I was his pilot. I'd flown him all
Speaker 2: over the place, and we were good friends, and I
Speaker 2: was concerned about his safety. And I told him that.
Speaker 2: That was on July the twenty sixth, nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 2: He was reported missing by his wife on July the
Speaker 2: twenty eighth, and his body was found in Dumbfounding based
Speaker 2: stuffed in the fifty five gallon drum with his legs
Speaker 2: cut off on August the seventh, August the eighth and ninth.
Speaker 2: The FBI came back out to me on the twenty first,
Speaker 2: of the twenty first. This was four files, by the way,
Speaker 2: on the twenty first, asking me what did I think?
Speaker 2: Who did I think kill Rosselli? And they wanted to
Speaker 2: know everything I knew about Rosselli. And they had pulled
Speaker 2: the Samjocono file, and they had pulled a church committee
Speaker 2: file and found out that I had testified and drew
Speaker 2: a map in nineteen sixty four of triangulation shooting of D. D. Plaza,
Speaker 2: And they had classified that map. Why so I'm sitting
Speaker 2: here looking at your camera saying, Okay, release what Plumby
Speaker 2: just said. Release the Epstein files, released the classified files
Speaker 2: of Jonidis. Get it all out there and let the
Speaker 2: American people decide what they're going to do about it. Lies, lies,
Speaker 2: and cover up. What's the reason? Guns, drugs and women? Money,
Speaker 2: money and money today as it was yesterday? And with
Speaker 2: that all, let's cool.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a deep one. Do you let people know
Speaker 1: where they can purchase your book if you have a
Speaker 1: website or anything that you like.
Speaker 2: I don't have a website of the name book. So
Speaker 2: now it's in Amazon. It's up there in the first
Speaker 2: one hundred. Right now, that's doing pretty good. I can
Speaker 2: tell that's going pretty good by the nature of the
Speaker 2: questions of the comments that they're asking challenge the book.
Speaker 2: But the point I'm trying to make is do it yourself.
Speaker 2: Get off to counts, do your own research, follow the
Speaker 2: breadcrumbs at Ralph Pazzulu and I. Ralphula has a lot
Speaker 2: more credentials in writing than I do. He's written about
Speaker 2: five or six books. This is my first first book.
Speaker 2: The Way Things Are Going is gonna be my last. Book.
Speaker 2: I don't give a damn about publishers and all that
Speaker 2: rat race and pr and talking to people. That's not
Speaker 2: my cup of tea. I'm a pilot. I pilot here,
Speaker 2: I pillo it over there. I'll pill it where anybody
Speaker 2: wants it piled. But I don't get into all this
Speaker 2: kind of crazy crap of writing books and doing movies
Speaker 2: and playing with that Hollywood crowd. Not my game, Fatigue.
Speaker 2: Bob Roner was a good friend. I was on a
Speaker 2: couple of broadcasts of his. Dick Russell wrote the forward
Speaker 2: for the book, and Saint John, Howard Hunt's son, wrote
Speaker 2: afterwards for the book. So, and I've known Saint John
Speaker 2: since he was a little kid, and Howard Hunt and
Speaker 2: I were good friends. And his mother, Dorothy stories behind
Speaker 2: all that. Some of your listeners want to know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. We don't have time to go in
Speaker 2: all that. But uh, anyway, So Saint John Hunt and
Speaker 2: his daddy he wrote the bond Bus Secrecy and when
Speaker 2: he wrote the afterwards for the book, Deep Cover Cell
Speaker 2: of Graves and his dad's mentioned in the book how
Speaker 2: he got to Dallas confirms the flight. The other part
Speaker 2: of the thing is is that the flight plan, the
Speaker 2: aircraft ID numbers, and the fuel receipts signed by me
Speaker 2: on the site and on location are all classified in
Speaker 2: that seventeen thousand pages that I just made a plea
Speaker 2: for the Pentagon to release. They're reviewing them. What the
Speaker 2: hell are they reviewing them? Just release them and let
Speaker 2: the chips fall with a mea same thing with the
Speaker 2: lips and files. Release them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we need to get all those. There's uh,
Speaker 1: I think two million or another million more files that
Speaker 1: haven't been released, so hopefully we will get them. Hopefully
Speaker 1: we'll get your files, and if people are interested in
Speaker 1: purchasing your book, I'm going to put the link in
Speaker 1: the description for people to check out on Amazon Prime. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, just use your discernment and use your own
Speaker 1: judgment what you think of.
Speaker 2: Appreciate that you're giving me the time to explain this
Speaker 2: on here. I'm sorry, I'm rambling out. I'll just let
Speaker 2: it hang out.
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Speaker 2: Keep up, keep up the good work.
Speaker 1: Thank you.