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Visit for the 91 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:28.759 People dot Com for an office near you. 92 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:37.079 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to. 93 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:40.399 This late night with a few retrospective on the. 94 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:42.240 Geekers Bar podcast. 95 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:45.360 I am your host, one of your hosts. All roads 96 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:47.560 lead to Rome taylor Field, and I'm joined by. 97 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:51.399 I am the Bull Trickle Batzer, and I am the 98 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:53.680 Herbs in the day, Jasmine in the evening, Dolomus. 99 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:55.000 There you go. 100 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:58.959 So, yes, we are here to talk Gladiator, the old 101 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:03.079 Russell Crow Ridley Scott's Gladiator. But before we get into that, 102 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:05.560 a couple of plugs. You can find us with your 103 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:08.680 Internet connection in the search bar. Geek Verse dot Ca 104 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:10.959 is our own base. Geek verst Cast is our Twitter. 105 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:17.680 Is it a bit? Or is Taylor sick? The viewers 106 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:18.319 will never know. 107 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:20.040 God, that's hilarious. 108 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:22.360 He's working on a new role for a new acting 109 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:23.319 piece voice actor. 110 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:24.279 Yeah, that's right. 111 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:27.680 I hear that they're looking for a uh what was it, 112 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:29.759 like a male in their thirties for James Bond. 113 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:32.399 So yeah, I'm only a voice. 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I 128 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:11.600 love you guys so very much. Now, I've been kind 129 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:12.800 of like out to lunch lately. 130 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:14.600 Well, this is a retro, so I don't know. I 131 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:16.920 guess it's dropping tomorrow on the public feeds. 132 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:18.639 But what do you guys have to shout out anything 133 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:22.160 that's been going on, anything of interest? 134 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:26.199 I had a nice newscast this week, which was nice. 135 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:29.040 Did a lot of trailer reviews that was lots of fun. 136 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:31.720 Did a nice side quest with the with the big 137 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:33.639 Dylan Muss love me right Now? 138 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:36.560 Yeah, that was That was a juicy, juicy episode. 139 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:36.839 Yeah. 140 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:41.199 Lengthy, Yeah, I too lengthy two man cast. So I'm 141 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:43.439 curious if this three is my first three men cast 142 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:45.279 of the week. I'm curiously it's gonna be shorter than 143 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:48.040 the last two and a half hour two men casts 144 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:48.399 I've been on. 145 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:52.759 But and then obviously we're recording Goodfellows retrospective as well. 146 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:54.839 I don't know when that's gonna hit the free feeds, 147 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:57.439 but I definitely hit petron if you want to get 148 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:01.600 access to that. Nice and nice and soon should be discussion. 149 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:03.079 Yes, definitely. 150 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:07.600 Uh cool, Well let's uh, I mean, who wants? Who 151 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:09.160 wants to take it? We're gonna get into Gladiator. I 152 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:11.040 guess do you want to do non spoilers first? I 153 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.000 can't remember how we do it with retro kind of roll. 154 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.920 In with a little non spoiler overall sort of song. 155 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:18.680 At the end. 156 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:22.199 I'll jump in here. So this is my first time 157 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:27.120 ever watching this movie. Yeah, I feel like in my mind, 158 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:30.040 I feel like I've always mixed up Gladiator in three 159 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.000 hundred and I've never seen either of those movies, and 160 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:34.680 I don't know why, because they like back in the day, 161 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.839 they seem like my cup of Tea, Like this is 162 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.839 very kind of Lord of the Rings adjacent in a sense, 163 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:41.839 and this came out around that same time period, So 164 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:44.319 I don't know why I have not seen it until now, 165 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:49.600 but I finally have, And Yeah, I really enjoyed my 166 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:52.079 time with this one. I think even going into the sequel, 167 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:54.399 like I don't know, I just really like the trailers 168 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:55.680 for that. I was like, I want to go watch 169 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.199 the first one, I want to watch the second one. 170 00:07:57.199 --> 00:07:59.879 I'm into it for whatever reason. But yeah, I had 171 00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:01.480 a really good time with this movie, and I think 172 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.319 it in some ways was exactly what I was expecting of, 173 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.319 just like Gladiator battles and stuff. But I think what 174 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:10.959 was surprising me and what I found that I liked 175 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:14.240 even more than that stuff was just the characters. Like 176 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:17.839 there's some really fun performances here, of course, like Walking Phoenix, 177 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.199 like I feel like in one of his earlier big roles, 178 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:21.399 like I don't know if it was one of his first, 179 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:22.480 but I feel like it was one of the ones 180 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:24.160 that put him on the map to a certain extent, 181 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:25.639 And I could be wrong about that, but it feels 182 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:28.639 that way. Uh, and some other characters and actors that 183 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.399 I haven't seen a whole lot before, and yeah, we're 184 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.159 also cool. Like I don't know, I feel like he's 185 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.159 just in the weirdest stuff these days. So it's fun 186 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.480 to go back to maybe like his prime or like 187 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:40.080 his most famous movie and see what he looked like 188 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.600 in this in this time period. Yeah, Like, everyone does 189 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:45.720 a really good job there. I think there's some interesting 190 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:49.080 like especially walking Phoenix's character, like that is not the 191 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:52.919 type of archetype I would expect for a movie like this, 192 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:54.559 and so I think it was really fun to see 193 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:57.039 what they went with here. So I'm excited to break 194 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:59.799 that down. And uh yeah, I mean I think they 195 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:02.879 do pretty good job with the like all the action stuff. 196 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:05.679 Of course, this was like a nice practical effects era 197 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:08.200 where they weren't just CGI and every horse and thing 198 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:10.879 in the background, so it feels very authentic in that way. 199 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:13.000 I didn't end up loving a lot of the fight scenes, 200 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:15.080 and we'll talk about why that is, which you know, 201 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:16.480 for a movie like this, I feel like that should 202 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:18.679 be one of the highlights. But overall I found like 203 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:21.360 this movie too, just like really good pacing. Just it 204 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:23.799 just flew by. And it's tricky when you have a 205 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:27.360 movie like this where like, Okay, it's historical, and we're 206 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:29.399 like building off of Okay, here's all these things that 207 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.240 happened in the past, your other other Seeson's other leaders, 208 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:34.080 all these wars, and you're kind of just thrown in 209 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:35.519 the middle of it, like there's no way not to 210 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:36.600 just be thrown in the middle of it, and like 211 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:38.279 a history story like this, But I think they did 212 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:40.360 a good job of just like if they're if they 213 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.120 didn't explain the things you need to know, even just 214 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:45.360 like the performances were like a little subtle details you 215 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:47.240 just filled in. You're just right in it right away. 216 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:51.240 So yeah, I I had a really surprisingly I don't 217 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:52.360 know if it's I don't know if surprising is the 218 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:53.679 right word, but I had a really good time with 219 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:54.639 this one all the way through. 220 00:09:55.679 --> 00:10:00.679 Hell yeah, yeah, I this is this one's deep seated 221 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:02.679 in my history banks for sure. This was definitely like 222 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:05.799 a VHS that my family had that I had in rotation, 223 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:10.200 And yeah, I loved movies like this or like in 224 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:16.320 that era, especially like thinking of Gladiator or Troy Kingdom 225 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:18.519 of Heaven, like that's that's maybe a little bit more 226 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:22.200 of a drawn out, less so action one, but like 227 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.840 still just like that era of like these big epic 228 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.159 movies I feel like I always just loved as a kid, 229 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:30.200 especially like one of the first video games ever plays 230 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.240 like Age of Vampires and like Age like I just 231 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:36.720 love like this era, especially like the strategic military side 232 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:39.559 of it. I just always love. So Yeah, I really 233 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.639 really love this movie as a kid. I feel like 234 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:45.080 I watched it many many times. I don't know exact 235 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:48.960 number on it, but it for it was very surprising 236 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:50.879 going through it now because as many times as I 237 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:52.559 had seen it, I feel like there's still a lot 238 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:55.759 that I got on like this viewing of maybe just 239 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:57.600 because it's been many years since I had seen it, 240 00:10:57.679 --> 00:11:00.600 and I don't know, just younger. Younger is not really 241 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.000 knowing about all like the politicking or maybe some of 242 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:06.039 like the more philosophical ideas, because we have like Marcus 243 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:08.879 Aurelius in here. I feel like as a kid, I 244 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:10.879 definitely didn't know who that would have been, like in 245 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:14.399 you know, in history so yeah, this is one that 246 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:17.480 I feel like it just ages so well, Like this 247 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:20.679 came out in two thousand and because it doesn't rely 248 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:23.799 on like CGI and like practical effects to what they 249 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:27.200 for like what they had available in that time, Like 250 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:30.200 they used like real horses in a lot of these scenes, 251 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:34.120 and like just just there's so much epic stuff going 252 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:36.639 on that's all like real, and it just to me, 253 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:38.759 it just makes it seem like it's gonna be one 254 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:40.519 of those timeless movies that just goes on forever. 255 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:43.399 Real decapitations with volunteers of course. 256 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.120 Yeah, it was like a tropic thunder type situation that 257 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:49.080 thought it was actors but not really. They're just that 258 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:52.080 that devoted. But no, it looks fantastic, like all the 259 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:55.279 costume designs and everything and just just all of the scenery. 260 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:59.159 Like it's just really really well made movie. I didn't 261 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:00.799 even know that in one like all these oscars, but 262 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:04.960 like it makes sense watching it. It just yeah, it's 263 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:09.039 a beautiful film, and uh yeah, I just really really 264 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:11.679 like it. This is also one that I remember watching 265 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:13.360 like middle school, like they showed it to us in 266 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:14.759 like history class. I just thought it was like the 267 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:17.200 coolest thing ever like getting to watch like a movie 268 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:20.000 that I really like and then just just yeah doing 269 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:21.519 it in school, which was always great, but. 270 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.120 Yeah, cool, I didn't get to watch this. 271 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.480 God damn you weren't French Immersion though that was in 272 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:30.919 Madame Ganie's class in great hls out to Madame Ganie, 273 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:35.720 but yeah, cool passed the torch. 274 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:38.080 Uh yeah, this movie. 275 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:41.600 I've I've seen him bits and parts, but it's never 276 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:44.600 been something that I've actually deep dived into before and 277 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:46.080 watched in one whole sitting. 278 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.720 So that's surprising. I feel. I feel like Russell Crowe 279 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.240 to me is like a big Taylor fan cast type 280 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.480 character or like just an actor that you really like. 281 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:57.279 He is an actor that I really like. I mean, 282 00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:58.720 you got him as Robin Hood. 283 00:12:58.480 --> 00:12:59.919 Which I that was great. 284 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:00.919 I love that movie. 285 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:02.799 Travis doesn't like it? 286 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:07.159 What else do you got him an talk about trev 287 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:10.679 That's right. He was the Pope, Pope accessist. So he's 288 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:14.080 definitely popping up in roles that I do like. And 289 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:16.519 it's funny because he's always been that guy that just 290 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:18.519 he reminds me of Gerard Butler. 291 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:21.840 You know, they have a similar kind of vibe or 292 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:23.080 like like they look. 293 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:25.919 Similar, right, So sometimes I'm think, oh, yeah, Russell Crowe, 294 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.080 he was in that Olympus has Fallen, Like no, no, no, 295 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:29.759 that was definitely not he was in three hundred. 296 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:31.799 Yes, there you go. 297 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:38.240 But yeah, as far as this movie goes, I I was, yeah, 298 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.320 not sure exactly what to expect, but I remembered a 299 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:43.440 few things and I've seen like the gifts and everything 300 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:46.440 of Joaquin Phoenix, and so I knew a couple of 301 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.559 little familiar scenes, but all in all, I did not 302 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.279 know what I was in store for with these characters 303 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:54.759 and with the overall story and everything that was going on. 304 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:57.320 I'm sure we'll talk about it more, but you brought it. 305 00:13:57.320 --> 00:13:57.919 Up, Kirkland. 306 00:13:57.919 --> 00:13:59.679 It was just a pleasant surprise. 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So what are we talking here? 416 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:27.920 Where we start? 417 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:31.160 I want to start exactly where you left off there, 418 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:33.400 And this is a classic Kirkland starting at the beginning, 419 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:36.200 but it's only beginning because Richard harr Is his character 420 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:39.160 of course, dies off pretty soon, like he's maybe in 421 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.920 like ten percent of the movie. But yeah, I wanted 422 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:43.880 to break that character down a little more, a little 423 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:46.640 bit more because kind of who I was saying about, 424 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:48.400 like you're really just kind of thrown in the middle 425 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.319 of like history here and we're like picking up and 426 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:54.240 I feel like a big part of this movie is 427 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:57.119 like a huge important part about the people of Rome 428 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:00.559 here is how much respect and admiration and they have 429 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:03.920 for Marcus Aurelius, like the Caesar at this time. That 430 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:05.599 was something I don't feel like I knew until now. 431 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:07.480 Caesar is that like just the name of like the 432 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:10.319 king essentially for Rome at any time? Yeah, I feel 433 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:13.079 like I now knew that, So I'm history dummy. I 434 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:15.720 need to play more Age Empires. Clearly a lot of Sieve, 435 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:17.359 but that's not enough clear total war Rome. 436 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:17.920 There you go. 437 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:21.240 Go, Okay, Okay, that'll be my next pickup. But yeah, 438 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:24.440 I think like there's so much that we have to 439 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:27.680 buy into of like the people loving this guy. And 440 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:31.119 then also a big part of Maximus's story is like 441 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:33.039 this revenge tale, and obviously a part of that is 442 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:35.559 because of his family, but it starts out because of 443 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:39.720 his love and admiration for Caesar as well for Marcus Aurelius, 444 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:42.519 and then even through the movie persists like obviously, first 445 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:44.559 and foremost it's because his wife and kid were murdered, 446 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.480 but he also always wants his goal is always because 447 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:49.960 of Marcus Aurelius and his respect for him as well. 448 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:51.880 And so I think it's it's hard in a movie 449 00:20:51.920 --> 00:20:53.880 like this, like, Okay, given the amount of screen time 450 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:55.559 we got to move the story along, how are we 451 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.559 gonna find that level attachment to that character? But I 452 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:01.200 think that's where Richard Harris like did such a freaking 453 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:04.400 killer job. And just like you, Taylor, I've never as 454 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:05.880 far as I don't seen him in anything else. You know, 455 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:08.640 he obviously passed away early two thousands, so his career. 456 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.200 This was like probably one of his last movies. I 457 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:15.599 think he just brought so much charisma and I like 458 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:18.319 he just felt like a lovable grandfather guy. And like 459 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:20.240 even before I was like, oh, yeah, that's doubled round, 460 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:22.960 I have that kind of admiration for him from that role. 461 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:24.920 But even outside of that, I guess just that like 462 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:27.000 he was put he was cast for roles like that 463 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:29.680 because he was able to bring that gravitas and especially yeah, 464 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:31.000 for a movie like this where he doesn't have a 465 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:32.920 ton of screen time. I think he did such a 466 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:34.400 great job that he was like pulling on my heart 467 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:37.240 strings like from get Go and that, Like I found 468 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:39.319 that really impressive and that really held a lot of 469 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:41.519 the movie. And then motivations for a lot of characters together, 470 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:44.279 so big ups to him in particular, he really was 471 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:45.319 a standout. 472 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:48.960 Yeah, No, one hundred percent that I feel like on 473 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:51.400 this viewing, that was like the biggest impact I think 474 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:54.599 I've I felt on this like viewing compared to like 475 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:56.200 back in the day, I just was all for the 476 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:58.200 fucking battle scenes and you know, just. 477 00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:01.279 Like the Gladiator kicking out. Now that I'm more of 478 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:02.079 an adult, like. 479 00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:04.920 I just appreciate these these moments so much more. And 480 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:07.920 I love that you mentioned that because it very much 481 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:11.359 is like a just like a cloud over like the 482 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:14.680 entire movie of just like this legacy that that he's 483 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:17.200 given across and kind of his his teachings, Like although 484 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:20.519 he died, like it wasn't just for nothing, like obviously 485 00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:25.839 his teachings like lived on through the Gladiator to to 486 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:28.559 like make the change to Rome and then had like 487 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.640 a basically just put an end to like this tyrannical emperor, 488 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:34.880 just like undoing all these great works that Marcus Aurelio was. 489 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:37.960 Marcus Aurelius was doing because this whole plan, right was 490 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:42.319 to dissolve more so of the dictatorship and have it 491 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:45.000 more of a like a senate, so I Yeah, I 492 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:49.559 I don't know. I just really loved his scenes because, 493 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:52.440 as you mentioned, like he just has so much just 494 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:54.839 such a presence, like you just feel like, man, this 495 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:58.240 is like the ruler that like everyone should just be loving, 496 00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:02.400 Like this is just seess so grandfatherly. And yeah, I 497 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:06.519 really liked how kind of the theme of even with 498 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:11.359 like his daughter's scenes between Maximus and and her of 499 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:14.839 just speaking on like believing in Rome and like and 500 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:17.680 like what it means it's not just one man. And yeah, 501 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:21.079 I feel like that just like those scenes like gave 502 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:23.440 me goosebumps. This this time around. It was like, man, 503 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:25.440 like I it's like I'm watching a whole new movie now, 504 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:27.960 Like I just really am appreciating this. So yeah, it 505 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:30.839 actually like I feel like I lifted my score. Honestly, 506 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:32.440 I'm just like, man, this movie is better than I 507 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:34.519 than I even thought. So yeah, it was nice. 508 00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:36.240 Yeah. 509 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:39.519 He he really really brought his a game. I mean 510 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:41.279 in every role he does, I mean, the only two 511 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.440 tips see him and I just feel like he's he's 512 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:46.920 he's shown up to play and I love that. 513 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.279 At the I mean, at the end of the movie. 514 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:51.640 It's just it's it's his word. It's like he's just 515 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:55.960 he's spiritually just transferred over into Maximus, Like Maximus is 516 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:56.440 just like his. 517 00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:03.279 Just avatar Avatar with Marcus Aurelio. 518 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.279 Yeah, Like he's just he just really commands so much respect, 519 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.880 and it's just it's amazing how shit really hits the 520 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:12.599 fan so quickly at the start of this movie. But 521 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:16.839 the scenes that he's in with Maximus, it's just great 522 00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:18.400 because he's like, I just want to talk to you, man, 523 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:20.799 de man, like disregard like the title and everything and 524 00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:22.319 the positions and the status. 525 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:23.599 Let's just have a conversation. 526 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:25.519 And it's just a simple chat like oh, I have 527 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:29.079 a farm with some animals and whatnot. And he just 528 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:32.720 loves hearing that. It's just that simplicity. And then you 529 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:36.640 have his son come in, come off, what is it? 530 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:41.000 Yeah, So that whole. 531 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.960 Conversation was just crazy, especially just the way he delivers it. 532 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:49.079 When Caesar is just like, you're you're how does he 533 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:51.640 say it your failure is a son or you. 534 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:55.839 God, I'm butchering. 535 00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:59.680 He pretty much just is saying, like, your shortcomings are 536 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:01.039 because of my bad parents. 537 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:04.160 Yes, yes, And it's like, oh, he's just he lands 538 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.559 that line so well and it's so powerful, and then 539 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:12.720 what does his son do? Just like, yeah, goddamn it. 540 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:15.720 Yeah, it's like he's trying to console them. But that 541 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:19.000 is one of the sickest burns in history. I feel 542 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:22.000 like to say that to someone, like, God, damn that 543 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:24.680 is that is that is brutal. He's kind of giving 544 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:28.039 into him not having confidence in me. He's like, yeah, 545 00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:30.039 you should not be confident in yourself, but it's kind 546 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:31.640 of my fault. But at the same time, you still 547 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:34.240 kind of suck. Obviously said in a very you know, 548 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:36.960 Roman Caesar sort away. 549 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:39.039 That's how common has heard it, though Common has heard 550 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:41.519 yes only as a slight towards him. 551 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:47.799 Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, we want to talk about commonists at 552 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:48.519 this point in time. 553 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:50.000 Yeah. 554 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:55.079 Absolutely. I I feel like, now that I've gone through 555 00:25:56.359 --> 00:26:02.440 seeing characters like Geoffrey Lanister and like and like just 556 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:06.279 villain performances, I feel like used to just make me 557 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:08.640 angry as a kid, and like I would just get 558 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:10.200 mad at that character and be like I hate that 559 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:12.079 character for this reason. I just don't like that. 560 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:13.480 Actor in that role. 561 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:17.079 Now it's like, man, I just appreciate people able to 562 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:21.160 do that performance. Honestly, I'm just being so hated that, 563 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:23.880 Like everyone and their grandmother sees that performance, Like, man, 564 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:25.920 that is a bad person. I hate that character. I 565 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.480 want them to die. So maybe not to that full extent, 566 00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:30.640 but definitely in this movie, I feel like it's warranted 567 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.400 so like, and now that I've just seen a lot 568 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.519 more of Walking Phoenix's performance, getting like he looks like 569 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:39.559 such a baby in this movie compared to like the 570 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:41.079 last thing I saw him, it would have been Joker 571 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:43.319 to all these years later, twenty four years later, So 572 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:47.759 I just man, like, I feel like he he's just 573 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:51.839 such such a quality actor to be able to like again, 574 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:54.759 like just the different layers of performance that he's done, 575 00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:58.799 whether it's Joker or his character from her when he's 576 00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:03.079 a relationship with like AI to like this, Like man, 577 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:05.839 I feel like I just appreciate the performance so much 578 00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:07.960 more now that I've seen more of what he's done. 579 00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:10.359 In a long winded way of just saying it his 580 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.720 great performance and yeah, I feel like he's just such 581 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:17.400 a whiny brat and it's such like a distorted view 582 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.640 on what's going on. And I just love the scenes. 583 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.559 I feel like with his sister, it's like, will you 584 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.119 stay with me tonight? And she's like, oh, you're still scared. 585 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:28.319 It's like, yeah, some I'm very scared still. He's just 586 00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:31.599 such like a pathetic individual. It's and then and then 587 00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:34.400 like it'll go from like those scenes to like the 588 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.880 most Manliest a man fighting for his life and like 589 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:39.200 basically the survival of Rome in the glad Eater Pit. 590 00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:42.039 So it was just such an interesting like juxtaposition between 591 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:44.880 those two characters. And I just loved whether they were 592 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.240 interacting with each other or just like scenes on their 593 00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:49.200 own and then go to the other. I just love 594 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:53.279 the balance of spending time amongst the two And yeah, 595 00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:54.359 comments is good. 596 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:58.000 Yeah, yeah, I mean I totally agree. I think it was. 597 00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:03.039 It was funny watching this movie and being like, oh yeah, 598 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.000 people like hundreds of years ago in this era could 599 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.279 just like have depression. You know, you kind of forget 600 00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:10.960 about that, and I feel like commedists. That's why I 601 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:12.799 thought was so interesting about him, is like this guy 602 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:16.240 is just deeply, deeply depressed and that leads to many 603 00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:18.359 other issues and then he has he has other problems too, 604 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:20.279 but on top of that, I just kind of feel 605 00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:22.799 like that fuels a lot of what's going on here. 606 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.319 And as you mentioned, like the cast scene of Walking 607 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:28.599 Phoenix is so interesting given those roles you mentioned, even 608 00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:31.039 throw like bo is afraid on there like a ring 609 00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:32.559 of fire. Like I feel like he's just good at 610 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:36.279 playing depressed characters, people who are really really struggling, And 611 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:38.160 so to put that here, I think it's such a 612 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:40.319 It's kind of a juxtaposition in a way because going 613 00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:44.400 into this I kind of expected that obviously, Like with 614 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:46.200 like ten minutes, I kind of knew where this movie 615 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.400 was going. But when I before ever seen it, I 616 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:51.680 kind of assumed, like, oh, yeah, the final fight is 617 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:55.400 gonna be like the two big macho dude bro testosterone 618 00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.400 battles and they're just gonna be doing some big, huge fight. 619 00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:59.440 But it's not that at all, because that's not who 620 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:03.240 Communist as a character. He's kind of a scrawny, weakling 621 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.319 sort of type who's more about the mental game and 622 00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:08.920 the power than it is like the physical, Like he 623 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.279 has no aspiration for that, and like his only way 624 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.400 that he's ever gonna go into a fight is after 625 00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.960 he has unfairly poisoned his opponent beforehand and just be 626 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:20.599 like overconfident. So I found the character like just super 627 00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:23.559 duper compelling and he's kind of shown as like the 628 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.559 kind of classic Braddy Prince type character who always gets 629 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.039 what he wants and when he doesn't, he just lashes out, 630 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.640 such as lashing out to the point of to throw 631 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:35.000 in a tantrument killing his dad. Obviously, that's kind of 632 00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:38.279 peak tantrum mode that you can go into. But the 633 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.359 other things too, like just when he's in the I guess, 634 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.279 like the Philosopher's circle square sort of thing, and the 635 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:46.160 other people on the Senate are kind of questioning his 636 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.160 decisions and he kind of just storms out of there 637 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:52.200 and then he goes nuclear with it and just decides 638 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.079 to completely shut them down in general and just go 639 00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:56.200 full in on this like colisseum and that's like he's 640 00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.319 gonna be his legacy. So yeah, I found him like 641 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:03.799 a very multi sided character. I want to ask you 642 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.279 guys about like what happens at the end, but I 643 00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.279 guess we can first get Taylor's thoughts just on this 644 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:09.079 character overall. 645 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:10.680 Yeah, So. 646 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:17.880 He's just downfall into this sense of madness and distrust 647 00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:19.200 of everything and everyone is. 648 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.000 It's quite a quite a trek. 649 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.000 And while he's definitely disturbed from the get go, because 650 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:26.680 he shows up late to the war and he's got 651 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.480 all these expectations and whatnot. The moment he kills his father, 652 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:34.599 you know, like, Okay, this guy's statistically just messed up. 653 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.440 And so I thought it was interesting, Like you guys mentioned, 654 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.559 he's in that Senate room and the senate's calling him out, 655 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:42.079 and he just thinks, oh, why am I gonna help 656 00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.480 protect the people and we'll look after this plague situation. 657 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.000 I'm just gonna put on a series of games and 658 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.880 have the people fall in love with me, which does work, 659 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.799 but it backfires obviously because of Maximus, and we'll get 660 00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.480 into that. But yeah, him as a character just utilizing 661 00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.880 his well, he feels safe with the older sister. But 662 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.839 his older sister I would say, was you using him 663 00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.160 to kind of protect her son? I feel like because 664 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.079 that that's the only reason. I feel like she wouldn't 665 00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:14.359 necessarily concede to him making certain like advancements onto her. 666 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:19.240 But I think it's up to interpretation. Really, wait, sorry, 667 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.839 what was that she was because they sleep together, but 668 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.519 she was only sleeping with him just to protect her son. 669 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.400 I feel like I did not know they were sleeping together. 670 00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:32.279 I didn't get that either. 671 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:33.559 You didn't get that at all. 672 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.039 No, because even that even that during it later she's 673 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:38.799 like he's like speaking to her, and he's. 674 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:39.599 Like, oh, yeah, you will. 675 00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:41.200 You're not gonna even look at me in a bad way. 676 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:42.920 You're gonna give me a son and all an air 677 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:44.279 and all that kind of stuff. So I took it 678 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:46.839 as they were definitely intimate beforehand. 679 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:50.319 Yeah, I I took like that's where they was gonna 680 00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:53.200 escalate too. And obviously when he like lays it down 681 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.119 on the bed and like kisses her, I forget if 682 00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:56.680 he does kiss her like on the cheek or something 683 00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:59.079 like that. Yeah, and she's just like she just rolls 684 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:02.240 a dark stiff yeah. Yeah, Like I think you're right 685 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:04.720 here that like she would have, but I don't. I 686 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:06.599 don't feel like it had it excelled to that point 687 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:07.160 quite yet. 688 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:11.480 At Yeah. I found like the dynamic of when he's 689 00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:14.039 first taking over really interesting because there's just so much 690 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.279 tension amongst like everything on, like there is the change, 691 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:21.759 and then obviously like the sister doesn't want him ruling, 692 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.279 like like like she's almost like an inside double agent 693 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.519 sort of situation, but like she still has to play 694 00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:32.240 along because she's terrified that to me, it seemed like 695 00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:34.759 she was terrified commtist was just gonna like murder Lucius 696 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.079 because that's not his son, right, and then he wants 697 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.119 a son with his sister that will be the new heir. 698 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:41.880 He doesn't want Lucius to be the heir. That saw 699 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:44.960 it just seemed like a lot of tension. Anytime that 700 00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:50.119 it was like comedis Lucius and the sister like it 701 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.319 was it was just like a really and then obviously 702 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.279 the scene when he's telling the tale on like he 703 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:56.640 just knows about the betrayal, it's there. It's just oh, 704 00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:00.640 there's just so much thickness of tension in the air 705 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:02.799 in those moments. But yeah, I didn't really take it 706 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:04.640 that like it was just the thing that was happening. 707 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:06.799 But like if that was the case, I would have 708 00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.720 believed you. But like it just seems like when she 709 00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:11.799 is just starfished on the bed, that's probably would have 710 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:14.160 been the extent of the intimacy in those moments, But 711 00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:18.559 it just seemed like it was a thing that maybe 712 00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:20.799 it was coming, and like I don't know she she 713 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:23.799 knew that it was eventually gonna be coming, but maybe 714 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:24.559 I'm wrong. 715 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:29.079 Like she's still she's still like to your point to 716 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:33.240 the kind of just does whatever he wants for the 717 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.039 most part, like that I forget what. I forget what. 718 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.400 There's some other scene where it's kind of like nighttime 719 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:41.920 and he asks her some question and she's like, go 720 00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:44.640 to bed. She just doesn't like f off pretty much. 721 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:46.359 So I think she she know she has that like 722 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.400 sibling like boundary, but like she is right on the 723 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.839 edge of that boundary and like trying to keep it 724 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.920 enforced the whole time. But even like, yeah, that I 725 00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.640 think it's during that scene on the bed, or maybe 726 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.559 it's later when when he's kind of telling that bedtime 727 00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:05.640 story to Lucius and then he's like obviously telling her 728 00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.559 that he's onto her with the coup and then that's happening. 729 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:11.639 But I thought the line that was really powerful was 730 00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.360 that he's talking about how he's like father always said 731 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.239 that life is a frightful dream. That line like really 732 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:17.679 stuck me. 733 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:17.880 One. 734 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.280 It's like just him confirming that he has depression that 735 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.760 he lives in like a frightful dream, but also that 736 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:24.679 he's like he's aware of this kind of thing. He 737 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:26.000 realized that there's issues. 738 00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:26.199 One. 739 00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.639 It's like it means that he's his father is still 740 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:30.960 just in his mind constantly and still in his head 741 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.440 even though he's he's killed him. But then I feel 742 00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.679 like that just shows how the lack of empathy that 743 00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:39.280 this character has because life is a frightful dream, Like 744 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:42.760 he has all these issues, yet he's like knowingly doing 745 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.320 this very same thing to his sister, Like I feel 746 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.199 like there's nobody he can't read that she doesn't want 747 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.000 these things, but she only does it because she kind 748 00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:51.079 of feels like she has to. And he still like 749 00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:53.320 constantly presses her on these things to the point of 750 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.760 that that bed scene, which is obviously like super duper uncomfortable, 751 00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:58.360 Like that is the frightful dream right there, and so 752 00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:00.679 he's just putting that onto the person that he like 753 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.239 presumably loves the most, and it just goes to show 754 00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:04.960 how like fd up he is in the head. 755 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.800 Yeah, absolutely, he excuse me. 756 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.440 His uh, since that moment there where he kind of 757 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.320 is pressing the kid Lucius and it's just kind of 758 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.360 like trying to coax the truth out of his sister. 759 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.679 It bothered me because it just he gets that extra 760 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:26.840 win there, and I feel like he just he wins 761 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.760 consistently as much as he's losing at the same time. 762 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.760 But it's not like a proud, like great win. It's 763 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.000 as I said, he's losing as he's winning. It's just 764 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.320 such a it pisses me off. And so when he's 765 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:41.079 when he's like trying to bait the sister and get 766 00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:42.960 her to tell her, tell her what's tell him what's 767 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:46.800 going on, it's, uh, it sucks that that kind of 768 00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.239 steam rolls into just pulling apart this whole plan because 769 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:52.360 that part of the story where it was turning into like, oh, 770 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.239 we're going to have the Senator turning on communists and 771 00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:59.840 we're going to have Maximus breaking free, bring in with 772 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.960 him his five thousand troops to take over Rome and 773 00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:05.440 basically just kill the emperor. I would have loved that, 774 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:07.199 but that's not the story we got. 775 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:09.000 We got again, just this. 776 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:11.559 We're getting hyped where you're like, oh, we're gonna be 777 00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:12.559 taken over nice. 778 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:14.199 I was getting hyped because he was like, all, ye, 779 00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:16.119 my men will follow me and we'll come back and 780 00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.039 we'll leave the army here in the Senate. It's like, oh, 781 00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:20.320 we've never had an army come into the city of 782 00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:21.960 Rome before. I was like, oh, this is gonna be great. 783 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.199 I can't wait. But then we got Maximus sneaking out 784 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:29.719 and this guy ominously sitting on his horse like Maximus 785 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.079 like he shouts it out and then gives him away 786 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:36.800 Like that was oh yeah, it was kidding me. 787 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:42.280 He wins again walking this guy. Yeah, just absolutely hate it. 788 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.960 But when you see him in the arena at the end, though, 789 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:49.599 it's it's neat to know that this isn't his first 790 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:51.639 time fighting, right, he is a skilled fighter. We see 791 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:53.639 him back at the beginning of the film when he's 792 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:57.280 in the Germania camp. Basically he's taken on like four 793 00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.360 dudes at once and he's just like spin around fighting 794 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:01.199 them off and whatnot. 795 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.880 But like, come on, that isn't that just like the 796 00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:10.800 guards who are higher level. Yeah, say that he's a 797 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:13.920 skilled fighter, like maybe he does the odd battle, but 798 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:16.519 I think it's obviously he like doesn't have the experience. 799 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.360 I was wondering, like, do you guys, I think that 800 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:27.000 he wanted to die in the end, he does poison him, 801 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.559 but I'd say he still does the fight. 802 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:30.280 You don't think so? 803 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:35.159 No, I think he just wanted like ultimate control and 804 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.360 to have that legacy, like you just he really wanted 805 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:41.360 to be remembered as like the ultimate like Caesar essentially, 806 00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.400 I feel like that was I don't know, you just 807 00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:49.440 seems so like because he is so like empathetic for 808 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.000 like other people, he's just very like narcissistic and like 809 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.360 his tendencies and it's just all about him and like 810 00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.840 the ego that comes with that. I feel like although 811 00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:02.559 he is very fragile like insecure, I feel like just 812 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:04.559 some of the moves that he does like throughout the film, 813 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.559 it just seems like, I he's very much a hurt person. Yeah, 814 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:11.280 he's very depressed, so hurt people, hurt people, and I 815 00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:13.519 feel like that's what he really wants to do and 816 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.440 like get some satisfaction out of that and just basically 817 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:20.519 abusing his power and maybe to feel loved. But it's 818 00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:22.840 just like a thing that he's like he just doesn't 819 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.880 understand the root cause on like how to actually get 820 00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:29.880 that admiration. That's that's just a key part of his 821 00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.960 flawed character. And but yeah, I don't think he was 822 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:36.559 necessarily like looking for like it's like he's wearing like 823 00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.119 that nice white garb. It looks like something that you'd 824 00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:40.960 be buried in. Like I don't think that was his 825 00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:43.559 plan of like, I'm gonna die wearing this, but I 826 00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:45.559 don't know if you're gonna die, look out, you know, 827 00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.599 like better looks look pretty fly while you're doing it. 828 00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:50.960 But I mean that's where he gets his real taste 829 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:55.000 of who's in control. Like he understands that, he knows that, Okay, 830 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:56.599 he sees her, he's calling the shots. 831 00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:57.519 But when he's in the. 832 00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:01.119 Arena and he finds out that's it's Maxims who's the spaniard, 833 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.320 which great fucking scene, Oh my god, and he's just 834 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.199 ready to kill him, and the audience is like live, live, 835 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.719 live live, and he can't. 836 00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:10.639 He can't. 837 00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:12.880 Right there, he's the most powerful man in Rome, but 838 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:14.880 he can't go through with it because it'll just be 839 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:15.719 bad news. 840 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:16.639 So he doesn't do it. 841 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.119 And I think that scene kind of adds to the 842 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:24.559 ending where if he beats Maximus and he's at the 843 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:26.480 end in the arena, then the audience is going to. 844 00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:30.639 Be like like Caesar, Caesar, Caesar, like kill, kill, kill. 845 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:33.159 And so he's gonna be able to take in all 846 00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:35.360 of that and have what Maximus had. And I think 847 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.960 he's very jealous of Maximus obviously because he calls him 848 00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.199 brother and all that stuff. 849 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:45.039 So yeah, jealous of the fathers love, he is jealous 850 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.599 of the sisters love. He's jealous of the people's love. 851 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.079 I mean just every yeah, and Maximus is everything that 852 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:51.880 he wants. 853 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.599 I loved pretty much all the sequences when he's in 854 00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.400 the coliseum and like he he thinks that everyone's there 855 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.920 for like him, but it's just like the Maximus Show, 856 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:04.320 and he's just like he's just so sour, and after 857 00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:07.719 he wins, he's just like whining to his his his 858 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.199 compatriot in the in his bedroom chain chambers. Later on, 859 00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:12.239 it's like they love him. 860 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:13.559 I can't just kill him off, Like. 861 00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.000 He's just so whiny, like that little child. One of 862 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.400 my favorite actual scenes with him. It's a pretty minor scene, 863 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:23.639 but I because he does make like a lot of 864 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:26.239 these like power moves to try and like shut down 865 00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:28.920 what's going on. Like obviously he figures out the plan 866 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:32.079 of like overthrowing, like the coup that was going to 867 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.760 be planned. He obviously figures that out and puts a 868 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.639 stop to it. Like he does make these power moves. 869 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.440 But I just loved how like throughout the whole film, 870 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:43.320 because he is just this like very privileged individual that's 871 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.599 lived his whole life like in this castle. Like he's 872 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.960 never like actually anywhere near the action until the end 873 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:50.480 of the movie when he when he dies, Like he's 874 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:52.599 nowhere near the action when the big battle happens. At 875 00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:54.400 the beginning of the film, you know, he's riding in 876 00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.559 the stage coach with his sister when like the Knights 877 00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.239 of the of the are the raids that are going on. 878 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.440 Like the next scene like after that happens, he like 879 00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.800 is in his bedchambers wearing pj's and he has like 880 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.599 this massive BedHead, like he just slept for ten hours 881 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:10.199 and it was the best sleep of his life. And 882 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:11.000 he's just like did it? 883 00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:11.519 Did it work? 884 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:13.840 Like he's just asking his his his buddy, like I 885 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.559 just loved how again, Like it shows like this horrific 886 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.000 like murders that are going on, like just all these 887 00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:24.199 like betrayals that that are happening. You have the guy 888 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:26.480 that owns Maximus, the guy that's been helping out this 889 00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.480 whole time, you know, like he gets murdered in that 890 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:31.119 sequence and then and then we jump over to like 891 00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.880 the Emperor's chambers and he's just having the best sleep 892 00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:36.239 of his life. So I just loved all the moments 893 00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:40.039 that were shown of like really intense bloodshed and then 894 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.320 you know the guy in his ivory tower, like eating 895 00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.559 his grapes and just like no callouses on his hands, 896 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:48.559 like he's just he's just so separated from it. So I, 897 00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:50.480 I don't know, I just love the way that they're 898 00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:52.760 able to show those moments, And to me, it was 899 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.960 just such a like a start contrast of of the 900 00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:59.480 two characters again, like a big juxtaposition of like what's 901 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.519 actual life like in that era. And they even mention 902 00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.000 it right like when he first takes over the role 903 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:06.920 and he's in the Senate and he's talking about like 904 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.599 all these things that he wants to do for the people, 905 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.320 bring like health like it's not healthcare back then, but 906 00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:13.440 essentially like help out the sick, and then the Senate 907 00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.559 people are like, have you ever actually seen like a 908 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:18.280 sick person before? Like have you ever Like you're just 909 00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.599 so like warped in your perception of what reality is 910 00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:23.599 like on like the streets for the people of Rome, 911 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:25.559 and like you're just saying all these things that you 912 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.480 think is gonna like you know, all of the aqueducts 913 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.920 will be wine and everyone's just gonna be happy and 914 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.079 loving each other. It's like that is just so warped 915 00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:36.480 into store tonight. I just feel like throughout the whole 916 00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.559 film they were able to like really showcase those moments 917 00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:42.280 of showing how disconnected he is with the reality of 918 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.800 what's going on, and like even the people in the Senate, 919 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.559 I'm sure are like completely separated from the realities that 920 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:49.280 we're going on, but even they have a more like 921 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:51.719 realistic understanding of it. But I don't know, I was 922 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.559 kind of rambling there, but I just I really loved though, 923 00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:57.639 Like because I'm viewing it now, like years later, I 924 00:42:57.679 --> 00:42:59.599 feel like I just didn't even notice any of those 925 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.400 scenes I just mentioned like until now, so it was 926 00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.079 like I was watching on a brand new movie again 927 00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:05.519 and I just I really really liked it. 928 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:08.639 Yeah, I think it goes to show that, like I 929 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:10.760 don't know how old his character is supposed to be 930 00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:13.199 in this, but like clearly he's had enough time to 931 00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.880 start learning some of these things from his father, but 932 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:18.480 instead of doing that, he was just fucking around doing 933 00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.119 other stuff. And it's not just that Maximus is a 934 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:25.239 stronger fighter, like is the reason why Marcus Aurellius wanted 935 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.440 to hand over the crown to him is because of 936 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.679 like all this other stuff as well, And yeah, he 937 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:36.440 just had no he had no, I guess, motivation to 938 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.280 like learn how to do those things or be better 939 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:41.119 at the political side of it. One one scene that 940 00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:44.119 I think is fantastic just in the way, well in 941 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:46.280 the dialogue and then like the way it's shot specifically, 942 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:50.320 is after he's caught on to the coup that's gonna happen, 943 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.119 he has he's talking to like his general or his 944 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:55.480 right hand man, some guy, and he's talking about like 945 00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.239 what's gonna happen to Lucius and Lucilla and Lucilla now 946 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.559 that they've now that he's caught onto it, and like 947 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.000 really messed up stuff that he's describing what he's gonna 948 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:05.920 do to his sister and her son. And then like 949 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.719 the camera just pans over and like she's just been 950 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:11.280 there the whole time listening to him explain all this stuff. 951 00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:13.159 When I thought or it seems like a more of 952 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.039 a private conversation he's having with like the troops, I 953 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:18.159 thought that that scene was like chilling. It's like, oh 954 00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:21.559 my god, this guy is so effed up. I guess 955 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.239 that leads to a question I had, which is, how 956 00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:27.440 exactly does he catch onto the coup because I know 957 00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:29.679 he's suspicious of her because she's been out later than 958 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.760 he expects, But I couldn't tell if there was also 959 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.360 like he had got a tip from Lucius, who wasn't 960 00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:36.199 maybe sure of everything that was going on. He was 961 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:38.320 just telling his uncle stuff and that's how he got 962 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:41.760 a hint. But I don't know my missing something there? 963 00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:43.519 Is it just the sister and that suspicion because it 964 00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.400 almost seemed like too smart of a deduction based on 965 00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:48.840 what we've seen from that character to that point. 966 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:51.159 I definitely took it like he just has spies that 967 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:53.599 like follow people everywhere, and okay. 968 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.280 So he has people that actually care about him more 969 00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:56.960 than Rome or. 970 00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.280 Maximia on the payroll. I guess, yeah, there's definitely those 971 00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:02.480 individuals that like money over it, but they definitely could 972 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:04.719 have shown I think a little bit more of like 973 00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:08.360 how he found that out. I don't know. I just 974 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:11.920 I did find like even on this viewing, I was like, 975 00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:13.559 did I miss a scene like where they explain that, 976 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:17.280 But I don't. Yeah, I guess I guess he just 977 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.400 there's many eyes, you know, there's eyes and ears all 978 00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.119 over Rome, and some of them own is on his payroll. 979 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.400 But that's what I took it. And Taylor is another reason. 980 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.320 No, I think that's pretty much it because he he 981 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.239 was pretty spot on with knowing this senator is a 982 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:35.199 part of this, this plan, this senator practice. 983 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:35.719 Yeah. 984 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.039 So I mean you have to have spies to know that. 985 00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:41.639 I mean, yeah, because otherwise how how would they know? 986 00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.559 The only ones that were present in those meeting chambers 987 00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.920 were yeah, Maximus, and then the Senator, and then the 988 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:53.199 sister and then I guess the gladiator owner. But I 989 00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:55.679 mean he obviously died a hero. He wasn't going down 990 00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:56.519 with commonists. 991 00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:00.519 So proximal, proximo, proximal. 992 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.199 He's cool. Yeah, yeah, since we were kind of just 993 00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:05.199 talking about the sister a little bit. Uh. For the 994 00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.480 most part, I think the character is really well done. 995 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.000 Good acting and all that, and she is able to 996 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:11.880 bring some gravitas in terms of what you're saying, Kirk, 997 00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.199 like being the double agent and the acting to you know, 998 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.519 show those those different the parts that she's hiding, was 999 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:22.679 all really good. My one beef with the character was 1000 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:26.960 I thought the kind of love element between her and Maximus. 1001 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:29.760 It was really cheesy. It was really forced, and it 1002 00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:33.559 was also very just like male director, male gayzy kind 1003 00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:35.880 of thing of like, oh, of course, like the pretty 1004 00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:39.039 queen has to kiss our main hero guy. Because I 1005 00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:41.360 just felt like it pacing wise, it it didn't really 1006 00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:42.920 make sense. I understand why she would look up to 1007 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.599 him and think he's he's hot and a cool badass 1008 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.400 and all that, and like they've had this pass which 1009 00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:50.559 they allude to many times. But I think from his perspective, 1010 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:52.719 that's where it didn't really make any sense. Like he's 1011 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.199 still like days, maybe it's been weeks at this point, 1012 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.079 it's hard to say, but he's still like hot off 1013 00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.599 the murder of his wife, and like he's doing all 1014 00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:03.800 this for her, for his son, and like for the 1015 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:05.519 king and for Rome and all this, and I just 1016 00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.719 feel like to throw in this weird love storyline where 1017 00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:11.199 they kiss every once in a while. It was just 1018 00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:13.679 it was really forced. I did not like that whatsoever. 1019 00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:15.880 I think it maybe makes a bit more sense from 1020 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.960 her perspective, but even then I don't think it makes 1021 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:20.840 a ton of sense. So I just I just don't 1022 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.719 think it was a necessary addition. Here. 1023 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.440 Yeah, I somewatould agree with you. I feel like it 1024 00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:30.039 would have just made sense of like that era of 1025 00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.559 everyone's just fucking everyone and like it like it's just 1026 00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:37.960 there's just so many unfaithfulness I think going on like 1027 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.280 in this era, especially just like wartime generals away from 1028 00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:45.480 your family for that long, but it seemed like the 1029 00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:48.880 focus of the story, like it just was so unnecessary 1030 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:50.960 for them to like have those moments. I feel like 1031 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:56.079 my defense in those scenes, for like from Lucilla's perspective 1032 00:47:56.239 --> 00:48:00.760 is like she's just so like feeling trapped in her tower, 1033 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:03.239 you know, like like scared of what's gonna happen with 1034 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.559 her son, with her brother and all these situations, and 1035 00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:09.880 like this individual Maximus, that it's just showing the best 1036 00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.400 qualities that you would want from like a Roman individual, 1037 00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:16.000 and like she very much seems like she took her 1038 00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:19.079 father's teachings like to heart and like just what Rome 1039 00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:22.000 should be, and it seems like she's like genuine with 1040 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:24.840 all those feelings, Like it's like we believe in Rome, 1041 00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:28.239 not just the individual of who's running it. And I 1042 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.559 think from her perspective, seeing someone like Maximus that's just 1043 00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:34.360 like basically rising from the ashes like a phoenix and 1044 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:36.960 like putting an end to the Commutist's reign from like 1045 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.119 just what he's doing in the pits after losing all 1046 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:42.719 his family. Like it's just like she's so admiring those qualities, 1047 00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.679 and then in those moments, maybe she's feeling like just 1048 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:47.360 trapped and this is her savior, and it would make 1049 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:49.880 sense why she would want to just be in love 1050 00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:54.559 with this individual. It's almost like a oh my gosh, 1051 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:59.360 what's her name? What's uh, what's the king of Rohan's 1052 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:03.119 nieces name? Oh my gosh, Aoin it's like the Aowen 1053 00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:07.239 or Ara Gordon, Like it's just like a perfect man, 1054 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.599 perfect individual of just like he's such a leader and 1055 00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.199 like all these qualities. I just I love this individual. 1056 00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:16.360 And then it's just like it's actually happening and she 1057 00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:18.840 believes so like I don't know, I feel like that's 1058 00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:21.840 in my mind, but like in that one moment, like 1059 00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.159 have like one kiss in the entire scene or sorry, 1060 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:26.880 the entire movie, and then it's just like leave it there. 1061 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.199 It did seem strange, like even early on when they 1062 00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:33.320 had like some romantic tension, like I didn't really need 1063 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.639 the historic like relationship that they had. It was more 1064 00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.119 so just like what the individual's representing. 1065 00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:42.159 And I could tell if the purpose of that, like 1066 00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:43.760 because I felt like they were kind of hinting that 1067 00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:48.960 that that that Lucius could be Maximus's son. Yeah, but 1068 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:51.280 that never really gets like confirmed, right or like maybe 1069 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.559 has been for the sequel. And that's because I think 1070 00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:56.519 Lucius is like one of the main guys in the sequel, right, 1071 00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:59.079 So I I don't know, like, what do you do? 1072 00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:03.119 You guys have a prediction there, like is that his son? Yes? 1073 00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:03.280 No? 1074 00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.599 Maybe, so I could see it being the case. I 1075 00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:09.639 hope it's not, though, Like I would have liked the 1076 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.000 story more that they just they just had their own children. 1077 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:14.760 It's like a weird thing to not like confirm in 1078 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:16.599 the movie if they weren't doing. 1079 00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:18.239 That, and I'm sure it's around it. 1080 00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:20.519 Yeah, And like I don't know if this movie was 1081 00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:24.159 a box office success, but if they were like doing 1082 00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:27.239 sequel bait kind of stuff and it was a success, well, 1083 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:29.440 they didn't make the sequel until twenty years later, so 1084 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:36.320 twenty five years later pretty much. Yeah, Taylor, what's your theory? Oh? 1085 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.800 Man, I I honestly don't think that they were at 1086 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:43.480 all thinking of a sequel for this, and so the 1087 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:49.360 idea that they're kind of building off like well, let's say, okay, hypothetically, 1088 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:51.159 because I don't know for sure if this is the 1089 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:52.920 Sun and they're building off of a story of this 1090 00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:56.960 being the son of both Maximus and that uh. 1091 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:02.119 And Caesar sister Silla Lucilla. Yes, I I don't know. 1092 00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:05.000 I don't see it. I took it as watched this movie. 1093 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:05.960 They had a. 1094 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:09.000 Relationship, they went their separate ways, they had kids with 1095 00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:13.679 other people, and then you know, so forth here we are. 1096 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.159 So I don't I don't really prescribe to the idea 1097 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.400 that yes, Lucius is his son. 1098 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:20.679 I just think it's. 1099 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.519 Yeah, I don't know, it'll be very weird if the 1100 00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:28.360 sequel is like, yeah, this is Lucius and then Lucius 1101 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:32.679 wears Maximus's armors, like yeah, your father was Maximus. It's like, ah, well, 1102 00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:33.719 they're just reckconning. 1103 00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:34.480 I feel a little bit. 1104 00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:35.039 Yeah. 1105 00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:36.800 I hope they don't be like, oh, yeah, people love 1106 00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:39.119 this movie and love Maximus as a character, so we 1107 00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:42.159 want to make like his offspring part of this movie. 1108 00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:43.880 Like I don't think people would care about that, you know, 1109 00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:45.880 they just want like a cool, new, interesting story that 1110 00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:48.559 is still following in the events and like the world 1111 00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:50.320 that we set up here. But I don't think we 1112 00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.800 need like to have his son in there for people 1113 00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:53.159 to care. 1114 00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:55.320 Definitely not Yeah. 1115 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:57.199 Yeah, no, no, it's not pulling me. 1116 00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:02.159 In, me out. Actually got him out of there. 1117 00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:05.480 Well you you mentioned, you know, back in this time 1118 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.480 people having all their relationships and stuff like that, and 1119 00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:12.840 I just think that I don't even know where I 1120 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:14.440 was going. I just I was gonna steer that into 1121 00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.239 the men being gladiators and fighting in the arena and 1122 00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:20.159 all that, but didn't make any sense at all. 1123 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.440 That's great transition we'll get of infidelity. 1124 00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:25.559 Let's get into the gladiators. 1125 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.119 You wanted to talk about the fighting, right, Dylan, some 1126 00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:29.440 of the fight stuff that was going on. 1127 00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.119 Yeah, I think we definitely should because that's definitely a 1128 00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:34.920 big i'd say selling point of these movies is the 1129 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.559 big gladiatorial battles. I think for the most part, they did. 1130 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:41.719 They did work, and I like them. I like the 1131 00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.000 different set pieces. I like the different setups like you have, 1132 00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.280 like the Battle of the Fall of Carthage. I think 1133 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.679 that was kind of a fun setting thing. I think 1134 00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.960 for me, it was mostly just the whoever was holding 1135 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:52.960 that damn camera. I was not a big fan of 1136 00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:54.840 the way a lot of these things were shot. I 1137 00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:57.360 just felt like the camera was often very zoomed in, 1138 00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:59.800 like I'm looking at Maximus' back and like his arm 1139 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.719 little bit a lot of shaky cam, which you know, 1140 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:04.239 if you've ever listened to Geekers for you know, I 1141 00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:06.559 fucking hate shaky cam in general. But the mix of 1142 00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:08.199 like a lot of zooms in, a lot of shaky cam, 1143 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:11.440 and I just feel like a lot of quick cuts 1144 00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:14.280 as well that it made it like for certain battles 1145 00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:16.800 like I forget his name's like Titus or Titan, you know, 1146 00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:18.960 like the he's never lost a battle that bring in 1147 00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:21.519 that big guy. I like just the way that that 1148 00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.920 battle was cut. I couldn't like follow the flow of 1149 00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:27.920 it as like an actual battle with momentum. It just 1150 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:31.199 felt like, Okay, here's one quick sequence for like five seconds, 1151 00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:32.920 and then like it could be like a minute later, 1152 00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:34.599 here's like another part of the fight, and we're kind 1153 00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:36.920 of just stitching it all together. So I just wanted 1154 00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.159 a bit more cohesion. I think some of the battles 1155 00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:41.480 are able to achieve that. And then lastly, and this 1156 00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:43.000 is one of the things that's just like, Okay, the 1157 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:45.760 movie hasn't aged amazingly well. Is like the really cheesy 1158 00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:48.880 slow mo, which I'm sure like so fucking badass in 1159 00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:51.159 the year two thousand, but it just looks so bad today. 1160 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.480 And so the combination of the shaky cam, the SloMo, 1161 00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:56.360 and like the weird zoom ins it. I think some 1162 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:59.559 of the fights, particularly the more intimate ones, I think 1163 00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:01.760 I wanted a bit more, But I think generally the 1164 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:04.679 big set PC ones like the one where like all 1165 00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:06.760 the all of them are huddled together with their shield 1166 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:08.960 around and like they got the chariots going around that 1167 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:10.840 fight is really great for the most part, and there 1168 00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.320 are other highlights with like individual moments, but I think overall, 1169 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.880 I just wanted someone else holding holding that camera, or 1170 00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:20.920 like maybe a different editor, like picking the different shots 1171 00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:23.119 that were a bit more that are a little bit better. 1172 00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:24.719 So I'm curious to see what that looks like in 1173 00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:27.519 the sequel years. Obviously the same director, but I imagine 1174 00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:31.440 it's maybe a different cinematographer, different editors and things. I 1175 00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.159 know there's a lot of different people behind the scenes, 1176 00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:37.000 like Ridley Scott's obviously back, but that seems like about it, 1177 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:39.639 and even a couple actors. But anyway, Yeah, that was 1178 00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:42.119 that was kind of my overall thoughts of the battles. 1179 00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:48.039 Yeah, I I feel like this time around that was 1180 00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:50.280 actually like the lowest point of the movie for me. 1181 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.559 Was like the actual combat sequences. I like the setup 1182 00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:55.480 of the combat and the lead up to it. I 1183 00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:57.079 like when they're like the first time they're going out 1184 00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:59.559 there and the guy's just pissing his pants, is pissing 1185 00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:01.920 his tuning right in front of Maximus and. 1186 00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:02.880 Just like. 1187 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:06.599 Just like putting us on ground level of like in 1188 00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:08.639 the trenches coming out and you don't even know what 1189 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:10.400 the fuck you're gonna see. And like when the first 1190 00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:13.960 time they go into the into the coliseum and maxims like, 1191 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:17.760 no matter what's out there, just stick together, Like it 1192 00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.000 could be fucking unicorns flying from the skies, Like no 1193 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.079 matter what it is, let's just stick together and we'll 1194 00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:26.679 be better together. And they go out there's like lions 1195 00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:29.280 and there's there's just like just crazy stuff that you 1196 00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:31.559 wouldn't even expect to see on a regular battlefield. And 1197 00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:34.679 I like that aspect of it. But when we actually 1198 00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.920 get down to like you said, when big giant man 1199 00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:42.400 Titus comes out, it like I that scene was so 1200 00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.360 much lesser than I remember it being. And I remember 1201 00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:47.639 just loving the look of Titus when he's got like 1202 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:49.800 the mask with the ear drop thing or the ear 1203 00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:50.920 drop the eye drop. 1204 00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:55.320 Seem as Juggernaut from X three. 1205 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.320 That's fair great physique, you know, like like it just 1206 00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.480 a big build up moment, but when they're actually clashy 1207 00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:04.760 and it's just like, okay, there's there's not much to this. 1208 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:06.920 I'd rather go see Dune part two, you know, see 1209 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:11.039 Paula Tred's or someone else. I can't remember his name. 1210 00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:13.039 I can't remember the ball guy's name right now. It's 1211 00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:16.159 been too long, so see that. But like, I don't know, 1212 00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:17.760 it's just the hand to hand was a little bit 1213 00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:19.599 lesser than I remember being. And even in like the 1214 00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:21.960 early portions of the movie when we're seeing the battle 1215 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.239 going on, I like the scale of it, but like 1216 00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:27.800 the hand to hand combat is nothing really you know. 1217 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:29.920 Do you mean like the sorry, the first battle like 1218 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:32.880 a Germania like the Woods battle. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. 1219 00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:34.800 Like when Marcus Aureli is still alive, like when it's 1220 00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:36.159 actually like the full line. 1221 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:37.679 I think I was very with that part. I was 1222 00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.840 just so anytime we watched like an older movie and like, 1223 00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:43.360 oh yeah, they're actual horses here and there's like actually 1224 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.880 three hundred actors and not just like CGI stuff. That's 1225 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:48.719 that's what was like getting me. It was like, ah, look, 1226 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.960 it's great to have like what feels like a very authentic, yeah, 1227 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:54.360 tribute to like I don't know what the scale of 1228 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:55.679 something like this could actually look like. 1229 00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:57.800 You got the dog in there too. It's like, man, 1230 00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:01.840 it's impressive, like real dog, real horses, like running tigers, 1231 00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:03.079 so dangerous. 1232 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:05.360 Butler or what's his name, real Gerard Butler. 1233 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:10.320 Yeah, he donated some of his splash. But yeah, overall 1234 00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:13.280 combat a little bit, a little bit lesser, but yeah, 1235 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.880 just interesting, how like you age like a movie. In 1236 00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:18.320 my mind, this was such an action movie and now 1237 00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:20.760 it's like not even about that, Like it's about like 1238 00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:23.920 the philosophical ideas and just the struggle of what, you know, 1239 00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:27.800 what makes a man like important? So yeah, that's fun. 1240 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:32.800 You mentioned there that line when Russell Crow is like, oh, 1241 00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:35.840 whatever comes, whatever's the other side of that gate, like 1242 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:42.960 stand together? I was just thinking it reminds me of 1243 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:47.679 of h Gandalf when he's in ministeriis and totally he's like, 1244 00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:49.199 whatever comes to that. 1245 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:50.719 Gate, you'll stand your crowd. 1246 00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:51.760 This is. 1247 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:55.519 Cave troll. 1248 00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:59.840 Yeah, that was just such a like god damn, Like 1249 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.559 I don't know, the just the courage. 1250 00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:05.159 And you have this one guy who's like what does 1251 00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:06.199 he say? Russell Crowe? 1252 00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:08.440 He's like, how many of you have military experience? And 1253 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:10.840 they all like look at him, like what, and then 1254 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:13.519 he just like rallies them together and he's like stand together, 1255 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:15.800 shields up, and he's given them orders. But then you 1256 00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:19.480 got like the one, two, maybe three random fucos that are. 1257 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:23.000 Off on their own, like you guys are idiots? What 1258 00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:24.079 are you doing out there? 1259 00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:26.760 And the show when the one lady on the cherryt 1260 00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:31.639 gets like cut in half, it's very iconic, two thousands practical, 1261 00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:36.480 so it like goes for her. Uh yeah, she's like 1262 00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:38.719 still as a board as she like tumbles to the ground. 1263 00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:42.840 In two parts, I really liked the I think zucker 1264 00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:46.199 Bar is the name of the place that Proximo that's 1265 00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:50.280 where his his ring is, his colosseum. I really like 1266 00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:52.840 that match where a lot they were all kind of 1267 00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.280 strapped together with another member, and that's where you have 1268 00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:58.800 Jubat Giant Huntshu's character, which is like, why is this 1269 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:01.880 guy just in every single movie He's like everywhere, which 1270 00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:04.400 I which I love. But I really liked their dynamic 1271 00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:05.800 and I thought that was like that led to some 1272 00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:08.519 really fun choreography of their chain together and they at 1273 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:10.199 one point they like knocked the guy over by just 1274 00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:13.440 bringing the chain into him. And then like the classic uh, 1275 00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:15.960 the one like huge guy is paired with that the 1276 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:18.159 guy who was like pissing himself, and he just like 1277 00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:20.039 he gots he gets taken up pretty quick and then 1278 00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:21.400 he just like chops his hand off and then he 1279 00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:23.719 like uses his hand it's like a flail pretty much. 1280 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:25.880 So I thought that that fight just led to some 1281 00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:29.280 really fun uh choreography in general, because it was a 1282 00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:32.320 more like a restrained sort of fight and there was, 1283 00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:34.159 you know, more than two people, So I thought that 1284 00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:40.400 one was like a highlight as well. Yeah, totally, And yeah, 1285 00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.360 I thought I thought that element of like Proximo, I 1286 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:47.280 really liked Proximo, and I couldn't really articulate why in 1287 00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:49.000 the way I can articulate why I like these other 1288 00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:51.360 characters so much. Just somebody about the performance. I thought 1289 00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:54.119 was really good and I liked that he was kind 1290 00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:56.280 of that mentor and he obviously has a lot of respect. 1291 00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:58.800 He sees what Maximus is capable of, but he kind 1292 00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.360 of encourages him to play up the crowd angle of 1293 01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:04.239 it and not just go for the win. Of of 1294 01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:05.800 course he got a win or else you're just dead, 1295 01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.320 but to do both and that's why he was considered 1296 01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:10.000 such a great fighter back in the day when he 1297 01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:12.559 was still doing it. So, yeah, I like Proximal. He's 1298 01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:14.360 a character. He was a fun, fun side character. 1299 01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:18.519 Yeah, I really like Proximally. I feel like he's I 1300 01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:22.920 feel like he's more like layered than he seems as well, right, 1301 01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:25.480 because he's like when you first meet him, he's just 1302 01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:27.760 like he's just a slave owner, Like he just deals 1303 01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.559 with people and like people's currency, and like it's just 1304 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:33.079 like he doesn't care if they liver or as long 1305 01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:34.360 as they make a money. Well, I guess he wants 1306 01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:36.239 them to live to make money, but if they are 1307 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:38.599 to die, you know, go out dramatically for the for 1308 01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:42.760 the show, and that's how it starts. And then it 1309 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:45.639 seems like, Okay, he's just he's just with like Maximus 1310 01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:47.239 because he's making a money and he's all hype, you know, 1311 01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:49.000 he's like, oh man, I really score, Like this guy's 1312 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:50.679 gonna make me so much dough. And it seems like 1313 01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:54.159 that is the main focus for like a good portion 1314 01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:57.480 of the relationship until it gets to the point and 1315 01:00:57.639 --> 01:00:59.599 and you know, like he has given him good lessons 1316 01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:01.719 of like it's not just about being the best fighter, 1317 01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:04.000 like I wasn't the best fighter. You gotta win the crowd, 1318 01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:07.320 and the crowd like those are the ones that literally 1319 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.480 like save you live or die right when theyre when 1320 01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:12.280 it goes to uh comtists with the with the thumbs, 1321 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:14.639 you know, shouts out to Emma Frosts and her thumbs. 1322 01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:17.280 But in this case, it's it's depending on what the 1323 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:20.079 crowd says is what lives or dies. So like, I 1324 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:23.239 just I really liked his lessons there. But then it 1325 01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:26.320 gets to a point when he starts to kind of 1326 01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:29.599 realize of like what's going on and like what's like 1327 01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:31.639 and then of course Maximus kind of tells him the 1328 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.800 plan there and very easily, like he could have just 1329 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:37.480 traded him in, right, Like okay, well, I'm probably gonna 1330 01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:40.480 get a bounty if I just like reveal this to 1331 01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:44.280 comtists or whatever. But it still seems like he, in 1332 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.239 the back of his mind believes in like those those 1333 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:50.039 Roman ideals and like and like the true idea of 1334 01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:52.760 what Rome is. 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Because it seemed like 1467 01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:24.199 he went from one set to the other, like you look, 1468 01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:27.560 the exact same age. 1469 01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:31.520 Yeah, it's good to see. 1470 01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:32.920 Him in there. Yeah. 1471 01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:36.479 So he he just goes from being this like money 1472 01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:40.439 kind of like slaver guy, and after that he transitions 1473 01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:43.479 into just like, you guys are all going to die 1474 01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:45.800 and it's going to benefit me. But as you die, 1475 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:49.560 you're gonna just hear like clapping noises and stuff like that. 1476 01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:55.680 You just you don't have to explain what that was like, Yeah, 1477 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:56.680 you just you. 1478 01:08:56.600 --> 01:09:00.279 Don't like him at the start, but then he sees 1479 01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:03.640 what Maximus is doing and thinks, Okay, well now they're 1480 01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:07.079 doing this big assembly thing, and he just believes in Maximus, 1481 01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:09.920 and I like how he's just you understand it. He 1482 01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:12.119 was a gladiator himself, and he kind of he got 1483 01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:15.439 out of the he got out of that world of fighting, 1484 01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:17.640 but he earned his freedom and just when he's just 1485 01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:19.880 he sells the scene when he's talking about how he 1486 01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:26.359 was not directly like, didn't directly meet Caesar, which is again, 1487 01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:29.479 Maximus is Caesar, but the Caesar like acknowledged him, I guess, 1488 01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:31.479 or something like that. And it's just it was such 1489 01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:33.680 a for him. This was like him meeting God. That 1490 01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:35.840 was such an important moment of his life. And he 1491 01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:38.279 was bestowed this wooden sword with his name on it. 1492 01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:42.399 So just really really cool. And yeah, it's it's sad 1493 01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:45.039 that he gets killed off at the the end there, 1494 01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:48.039 but yeah, just a really really good character and I'm 1495 01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:51.279 glad that he turned around and decided to help Maximus 1496 01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:51.760 with his plan. 1497 01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:58.520 Mhm. Did did anything stand out to you guys about 1498 01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:00.159 the music of this movie? 1499 01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:06.239 It felt, Uh, I've watched a lot of Daredevil between 1500 01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:09.399 now and when I watched that, So I do remember though, 1501 01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:12.119 watching this and thinking, yes, this reminds me of something 1502 01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:14.319 very very familiar. What is it? 1503 01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:14.880 What is it? 1504 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:17.640 You couldn't You couldn't place it in the moment where 1505 01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:23.800 you're watching, is it? Taylor? Did it stand to Oh? 1506 01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:25.760 No, I am out to lunch on this one. 1507 01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:29.159 Okay, it's Pirates of the Caribbean. Baby, It is the 1508 01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:32.840 theme of Pirates of the Caribbean minus like a note, 1509 01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:36.479 And so I looked into this. This movie is composed composed, 1510 01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:39.520 there's two composers, Lisa Gerard, not Gerard Bart but someone 1511 01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:42.319 named Lisa Gerard, and Hans Zimmer is on here too, 1512 01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:46.479 and then Pirates is Hans Zimmer. It's hard. I was 1513 01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:48.960 looking into this a lot, and apparently Hans Zimmer like 1514 01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:52.239 is partly responsible for like some of the Pirates music, 1515 01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.760 but one of the things is that he wrote the theme. 1516 01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.199 Apparently he wrote it just like in a night into 1517 01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.199 like some crazy night and then he like sent it 1518 01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:01.439 off to the main comp the Pirates movies and like 1519 01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:03.880 kind of let him take credit. But like, Hans Zimmer 1520 01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:07.079 actually wrote that, And so I was cackling. I'm like, man, 1521 01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:10.079 the theme of this fucking movie is one note off 1522 01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:12.760 of Pirates. It is the exact same He just copied 1523 01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:15.119 his homework for Pirates, which is so funny because that 1524 01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:17.359 is one of the most iconic like movie themes of 1525 01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:19.640 all time, and the fact that it actually is kind 1526 01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:22.399 of just ripping off one of his earlier scores I 1527 01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:26.119 find hilarious. So that I was looking up, like, am 1528 01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:27.560 I the only one who heard this or that other 1529 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:29.520 people hear it now, Like there's all sorts of Reddit 1530 01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:31.840 threads and people talking about this and talking about how 1531 01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:35.079 it happened. But it was just hilarious to me how 1532 01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:38.159 similar it was. So yeah, what go back after this 1533 01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:40.560 and on YouTube, just listen to the Pirates then listen 1534 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:42.880 to the that. I'm sure someone has a comparison video 1535 01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:45.920 on YouTube. It is hilarious how close they are, like 1536 01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:49.520 these same core notes of that theme is just yeah, 1537 01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:52.439 one to one, It's freaking hilarious. So show just to 1538 01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:53.960 Hans Zimmer, you know when you got it, You got it, 1539 01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:56.600 when you wrote a good theme, use it again? Why not? 1540 01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:04.479 So I'm I'm actually quite astounded by that. I was 1541 01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:06.439 just I just did a quick google and I see 1542 01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:09.159 a bunch of articles people like anyone noticed the two 1543 01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:12.640 themes are very similar. That's hilarious. That blows my mind. 1544 01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:18.079 Yeah, good stuff. I just have a couple other couple 1545 01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:21.039 other points here for myself. One is I I really 1546 01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:25.119 I really like the the way that they make the 1547 01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:28.239 Colosseum almost like a character or like just the mythos 1548 01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:31.680 around the Colosseum. 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It wasn't it just shows like how expert 1573 01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:42.279 of a fighter it is that he would know that 1574 01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:44.399 little detail and going into this battle and I'm sure 1575 01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:46.439 when he's like walking out to the woods just planning, 1576 01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:49.119 like how is this fight gonna go, he's like expecting 1577 01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:51.279 that to happen. It just yeah, it's one of those 1578 01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:53.399 things early on in the movie that shows you, yeah, 1579 01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:56.159 he is just an outstanding fighter, like he is kind 1580 01:13:56.159 --> 01:13:58.399 of top top notch. So I really like that section. 1581 01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:02.680 Yeah that Oh go ahead, you go ahead. 1582 01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:06.399 I'm just gonna say that that fight scene, yeah, after 1583 01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:10.800 the post Frost moment. It just I don't know what 1584 01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:13.479 it is with just sequences like that with flying swords 1585 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:15.239 just always gets me because. 1586 01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:15.680 Like, what do you do? 1587 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:18.960 You got this big, like heavy piece of metal and 1588 01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:23.159 it just it's a sound effect too. It's like when 1589 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:26.079 you see this fucking sword and yeah, it just impales you. 1590 01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:29.199 It's like, God damn you just you're done. There's nothing, 1591 01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:30.680 there's nothing you can do with that. 1592 01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:34.439 I catch it, I just catch it, catch it by 1593 01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:34.880 the blade. 1594 01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:37.159 Wasn't that a shot and glad of your two trailers. 1595 01:14:37.199 --> 01:14:39.239 Like someone throws a spear or shoots an arrow up 1596 01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:41.039 at one of the guys in the box grabs it 1597 01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:42.079 with his hand, right. 1598 01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:44.840 You gotta put in your bow shoot it back. That's 1599 01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:51.079 like the class very much. So uh yeah, No, Maximus 1600 01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:53.039 was was fantastic. Didn't say a lot about them, but 1601 01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:55.479 I feel like Crow was just really really great. Another 1602 01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.479 scene that I really really love in this movie is 1603 01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:01.880 like the first time that the Spaniard like wins in 1604 01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:04.520 the in the you know, in the ring, and commonists 1605 01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:07.359 like I must meet this man goes down there and 1606 01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:09.600 you know, like they all get these rules like don't 1607 01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:13.600 ever turn your back to the caesar, like it's basically 1608 01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.119 life or death situation, and he just does not give 1609 01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:18.640 a fuck. And like in that in that moment, like 1610 01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:21.119 he picks up the arrowhead right like this is gonna 1611 01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:24.079 be his assassination moment. Like in his mind, all he 1612 01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:26.079 has to do is get up to commonists stab him 1613 01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:27.840 in the throat. And honestly, if Lucius wasn't there, he 1614 01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:29.880 probably would have done it. He probably would like if 1615 01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:32.079 like if Lucius didn't come down right, Like that's kind 1616 01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:34.720 of when he recoiled a little bit with the uh 1617 01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:38.680 or not recoiled he maybe, yeah, got a lot of 1618 01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:40.760 the rings quotes in my mind, I have no thief, 1619 01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:43.920 but but yeah, like I feel like if Lucius didn't 1620 01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:46.479 come down there, like he would have just shoved that 1621 01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:48.840 right into the throat of Commonists and that would have 1622 01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:50.960 been that he would have been murdered right then and there. 1623 01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:52.680 But he would have just gone to his family and 1624 01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:55.880 known that, you know, vengeance is complete. Like he took 1625 01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:58.399 out Commonist, that was his goal. But by the end 1626 01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:01.479 of the movie, like his goal and what he accomplishes 1627 01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:04.520 is just so much more significant than just a revenge tale, right, 1628 01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:09.119 Like he literally changes the entire outcome of like Roman 1629 01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:12.000 life and moving forward, Like, like what happens if Commonist 1630 01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:17.000 does just stay as the tyrannical ruler? Right he gets 1631 01:16:17.079 --> 01:16:20.119 like five children from his sister. They're all looking fucked 1632 01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:22.600 up because they're all ancestral children. But like he just 1633 01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:25.439 like what could have happened, right for like the people 1634 01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:29.840 living for yeah, Like literally, I mean he probably would 1635 01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:30.079 have been. 1636 01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:31.840 Like breakout and kill everyone. 1637 01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:33.960 He probably would have been murdering in his throne room. 1638 01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:35.720 I imagine just assassinating. I feel like that's the way 1639 01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:39.000 a little lot of tyrannical rulers go. But yeah, I know, 1640 01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:42.239 I I just really liked how that moment would have 1641 01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:45.119 been the end of his tail, but like just holding 1642 01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:48.199 back there or turning it, turning his back and like 1643 01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:50.840 the immediate just like anger that comes out of commons, 1644 01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:52.520 like how dare you even do that? And he takes 1645 01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:54.680 off his helmet and then he just like straight up 1646 01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:57.520 says like I'm this person, you know, I am the 1647 01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:00.680 true Like uh, what does he say? A like follower 1648 01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:03.000 of the one true ruler Marcus Aurelius, like right in 1649 01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:06.800 his face, basically just discounting the legitimacy of the of 1650 01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:09.199 the ruler right in front of him, the most significant 1651 01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:11.560 person in the entire great city of Rome. And he's 1652 01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:14.039 just like talking down to him. And Communists can't do 1653 01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:16.880 anything because the people are just like, oh my god, 1654 01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:19.199 this is like reality TV right now. Like imagine being 1655 01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:22.239 a viewer, you know, like in that era, Like that's 1656 01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:24.680 like hit reality TV right there. 1657 01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:27.840 It's just you're just like imagining what's being said. 1658 01:17:29.479 --> 01:17:31.640 I got the I got the quote here free Kirkland, 1659 01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:35.239 because yeah, he turns around My name is Maximus Decimus Mridius, 1660 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:37.279 Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the 1661 01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:40.520 Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true Emperor Marcus Aurelius, 1662 01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:42.760 father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife, 1663 01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:45.680 and I will have my vengeance in this Like. 1664 01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:49.199 Holy fuck chills, chills, just as sure as the rock 1665 01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:51.359 scot chills already. That's that's what I got when you're 1666 01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:54.880 reading that. But yeah, I just love how intent that 1667 01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:58.439 moment is. And then immediately after right like uh, communist leaves, 1668 01:17:59.159 --> 01:18:02.960 it's like him whinying to one of his his his whoever, 1669 01:18:03.479 --> 01:18:06.039 one of his people that listen to him, Like I 1670 01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:08.600 can't kill him because I will not make a martyr 1671 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:10.439 out of him, Like he's just such a whiny brat 1672 01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:12.960 in those scenes. But yeah, no, I just want to 1673 01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:14.319 show that scene really really good. 1674 01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:18.439 Uh interesting how because when you see the intro and 1675 01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:21.119 the startup with Maximus and he's got his it looked 1676 01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:24.920 like he was two in like sub general's like lieutenants 1677 01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:26.800 working under him, but mainly just the one who becomes 1678 01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:29.439 kind of a focus. That one who is the focus 1679 01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:34.159 is the guy that kind of like after Aurelius's death. 1680 01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:37.520 This one guy who you thought was Maximus's friend ends 1681 01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:39.880 up just saying, okay, take his sword. You're not leaving, Like, 1682 01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:42.840 take him out into the woods, walk him till sunlight 1683 01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:45.600 or first light, and then execute him. And then he 1684 01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:48.920 ends up becoming commonist is like right hand guy, like 1685 01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:51.399 soldier I guess of the prematory and guards right. And 1686 01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:53.319 it's funny how at the end he's the one too 1687 01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:58.439 that just kind of like surper is against commonests when 1688 01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:00.920 he's like, oh, I'm not giving you a so everyone. 1689 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:01.560 Sheathe your swords. 1690 01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:04.920 And then yeah, I just thought it was interesting how 1691 01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:07.319 his betrayal kind of turned around. 1692 01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:14.680 Yeah, well said hell, yes, yeah, is there anything else 1693 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:16.000 you guys have or do you want me to drop 1694 01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:18.079 some trivia on you? I got nothing left on my 1695 01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:19.640 ancient tablet here. 1696 01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:22.600 Yeah, no more scripture on my runs. 1697 01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:23.760 Okay. 1698 01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:28.680 So Oliver Reid he's the actor that played Proximo. He 1699 01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:33.680 died three weeks before principal photography ended. Because Proximo was 1700 01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:36.439 considered a key character, a clause in the movie's insurance 1701 01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:39.920 contract would have allowed the filmmakers to reshoot all of 1702 01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:43.479 his scenes with another actor. At the insurer's expense about 1703 01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:46.239 twenty five million. However, most of the actors and crew 1704 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:48.680 were exhausted from the punishing schedule, and Sir Ridley Scott 1705 01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:50.479 did not want to cut Reid from the movie. The 1706 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:52.720 script was rewritten and a body double and CGI we 1707 01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:58.479 used to give Read's character a plausible resolution. Interesting, interesting, Okay, Yeah. 1708 01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:02.239 The opening battle scene was filled in Bourne Woods, Surrey, England. 1709 01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:06.079 The Royal forestryt Commission had originally slated the area for deforestation, 1710 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:10.680 so servidly Scott eagerly offered them his facilities to burn 1711 01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:13.079 the woods to the ground, and the commission accepted. 1712 01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:15.279 So wow, that is insane. 1713 01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:17.520 Actually, that's wild. 1714 01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:19.920 Yeah, practical effects. 1715 01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:24.439 Most notably, there have been rumors Mel Gibson was offered 1716 01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:27.600 the role Maximus uh and he had turned it down. 1717 01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:30.239 Gibson says he was too old to play Maximus. Scott 1718 01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:35.760 denies he was ever even offered the part. Sounds particularly 1719 01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:40.880 also considered to play Maximus for Hugh Jackman and Antonio Banderaz. 1720 01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:46.119 Jackman. Hugh Jackman, that's a multiverse. I'd like to see 1721 01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:47.720 what we got here. 1722 01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:53.279 But yeah, you alluded to this earlier. Kirkland Jack Gleeson 1723 01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:56.520 who models his character Joffrey brath In in Game of Thrones. 1724 01:20:56.600 --> 01:20:58.560 After Emperor comminas. 1725 01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:02.239 Hey, there you go, similarities makes cooeah. 1726 01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:05.239 Over the course the gladiatorial scenes, Russell Crowe lost all 1727 01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:07.720 feeling in his right forefinger for two years after a 1728 01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:11.680 sword fight. Aggravaden and Achilles tendon injury, broke a foot bone, 1729 01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:14.239 cracked a hip bone, and popped a few bicep tendons 1730 01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:15.079 out of their sockets. 1731 01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:18.720 That's nothing what the Dragon Chrome crew has. 1732 01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:23.720 Yeah, but you'll notice Comtists has no injury. Is classic walking? 1733 01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:31.199 Yeah, gian Nina Facio Hope, I'm saying that right. Who 1734 01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:34.239 played the wife of Maximus actually married Sir Ridley Scott 1735 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:35.479 in twenty fifteen. 1736 01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:38.720 The Boy years later. 1737 01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:43.520 Yeah, This movie started shooting without a lock screenplay in place. 1738 01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:46.079 According to Russell Crowe, the initial draft was so bad that, 1739 01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:48.239 when he was approaching the lead role, not even the 1740 01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:50.600 producer wanted to send him a copy, afraid that he 1741 01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:53.600 wouldn't respond to it. Crowe was instead urged to meet 1742 01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:56.880 with the director, Ridley Scott first, But unbeknownst to the producer, 1743 01:21:56.920 --> 01:21:59.039 crow had already attained a copy of the script and 1744 01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:01.319 disliked it. But it was went over by Scott's take 1745 01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:03.319 on the project as well as Calvius rewrites. 1746 01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:07.319 Man. That is interesting because I do I feel like 1747 01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:09.079 it's a very well written movie. But I guess, you know, 1748 01:22:09.079 --> 01:22:10.840 those rewrits is where it rewrites. 1749 01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:13.079 I suppose think it's not always the case. You know, 1750 01:22:13.119 --> 01:22:15.039 sometimes when there's a lot of rewrits or something, it's 1751 01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:16.920 like a bad sign, like it's gonna be a bit 1752 01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:19.159 of a mess. But this case it worked out. 1753 01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:22.479 That's the way with Blade, right, all those rewrites not 1754 01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:22.880 a thing? 1755 01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:24.439 Or is it just directors? 1756 01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:29.439 Yeah, rewrits director the movie. So it's a mess for sure. 1757 01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:32.439 Mike Blade Runner. That was oh right, Blade, Yeah, that 1758 01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:33.239 was removie. 1759 01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:38.399 The Germania Battle sequence took twenty days to complete. And 1760 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:42.399 my last fact here the film Gladiator had a budget 1761 01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:44.760 of one hundred and three million and grossed four dre 1762 01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:49.640 and sixty five million at the box office. So it 1763 01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:55.199 did pretty good. Yeah, not too shabby. Yah. 1764 01:22:56.239 --> 01:22:59.159 Yeah, there you go, Crow Scott, now here we are 1765 01:22:59.359 --> 01:22:59.880 second one. 1766 01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:03.000 I'd be curious to go check out an interview and see, like, 1767 01:23:03.199 --> 01:23:06.359 why all these years later it was now the right 1768 01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:08.720 time to do that sequel. I don't know if it's 1769 01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:11.279 like because I don't think there's a ton of actors 1770 01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:13.560 from this first one. I think Luscilla, like the mom, 1771 01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:17.279 is in there, so I think she's still around. And 1772 01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:19.239 I don't know, like obviously aging wise, like are we 1773 01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:21.359 going twenty years in the future. I think we are 1774 01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:23.960 because Lucius is like a man and he's like one 1775 01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:25.319 of the main characters, right, and so. 1776 01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:27.720 I'd like to see I feel like I've seen that 1777 01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:29.640 trailer so many time for the second film, and all 1778 01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:31.960 I can remember right now is just Denzel Washington's character, 1779 01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:34.359 and I don't remember anything, which is nice. You know, 1780 01:23:34.359 --> 01:23:36.239 I'm gonna go into it pretty black. Yeah, yeah, it's 1781 01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:37.199 still just kind of funny. 1782 01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:42.079 Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's different writers, as we said, 1783 01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:44.600 like almost a fully new cast, So I don't know. 1784 01:23:44.640 --> 01:23:47.359 It's gonna be one of those interesting sort of legacy 1785 01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:49.560 sequel kind of things where of course you still have 1786 01:23:49.560 --> 01:23:52.359 the same director, but he's also quite the wild road 1787 01:23:52.399 --> 01:23:55.079 since the year two thousand. So I'm really curious to 1788 01:23:55.079 --> 01:23:58.520 see what kind of what the vibe is like generally speaking. 1789 01:23:58.199 --> 01:24:02.079 You know Pirates Caribean theme right at the opening. 1790 01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:04.920 Yep, I mean that's actually a good point because that 1791 01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:06.720 is kind of the theme of this movie pops up 1792 01:24:06.760 --> 01:24:09.319 multiple times. So I wonder if they're going to reuse 1793 01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:11.239 that because now people be like, oh, I want to 1794 01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:14.199 rip off of Pirates because like no one remembers the 1795 01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:17.520 theme of this movie. But that would be a wild decision. 1796 01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:20.159 I think it's I wonder I'm going to actually see 1797 01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:20.520 who they. 1798 01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:23.000 Got that they got that sequence in here where the 1799 01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:25.399 arena the colseum fills up with water and they got 1800 01:24:25.399 --> 01:24:28.720 the boats here with the Pirates theme just full swing, 1801 01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:31.159 fraidy to get wet. 1802 01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:36.560 Oh man, Yeah, I'm I'm gonna try and find real 1803 01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:38.119 quick who the composer is of. 1804 01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:42.800 I'll get my closing thoughts. Then that's an appropriate to it? 1805 01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:48.359 Do it? Do It? Do It Kill Her? Do It 1806 01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:52.159 out a Rebel Moon? Part two? Yeah? I know this movie. 1807 01:24:52.880 --> 01:24:56.840 This movie is fantastic. Man, I really really love this movie. 1808 01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:01.199 I I think I would have it like my top 1809 01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:04.399 ten favorite movies of all time. But like for being 1810 01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:08.640 just like a historical Like now, I see this more 1811 01:25:08.680 --> 01:25:10.960 of a historical drama more so than like a like 1812 01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:16.000 a an action movie, And I just think it does 1813 01:25:16.479 --> 01:25:24.359 such a great job at telling like an inspirational taking 1814 01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:28.239 like overthrowing a tyrant type of film. Like I just 1815 01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:30.399 really think that there's a lot of magic in this 1816 01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:34.600 movie of just whether it's the costume designs or the 1817 01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:37.439 scale of everything, the moving pieces that are in here, 1818 01:25:37.560 --> 01:25:42.039 phenomenal actors, the run time that really just blows by. 1819 01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:44.319 Brought that up earlier, just like the pacing is just 1820 01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:47.800 it's really smooth, it's really nice. Just it's just a 1821 01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:51.720 nice movie to watch. So this is one that because 1822 01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:53.840 like because it's probably been like over a decade since 1823 01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:55.199 I've watched it. Like I think the last time I 1824 01:25:55.239 --> 01:25:56.640 did watch this movie probably would have been in that 1825 01:25:56.680 --> 01:25:59.680 Grade eight history class, whatever it was. I feel like 1826 01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:01.640 I'm gonna I'll be wanting to throw this one on 1827 01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:03.880 actually more often, like I don't know, maybe a year 1828 01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:07.199 or so. Just just get my Gladiator fixed and hopefully 1829 01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:08.800 Gladier two is really really good and I can just 1830 01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:12.960 do a nice little double feature thing there and yeah, 1831 01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:16.680 I'm I'm definitely I would say my hype like spiked 1832 01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:20.920 now going into the second movie. I was hopeful, especially 1833 01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:23.319 just getting those earlier trailers. I feel like those kind 1834 01:26:23.319 --> 01:26:26.479 of reignited some of the magic and like, oh man, yeah, 1835 01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:29.840 I'm ready for some gladiatorial battles. But now that I've 1836 01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:33.560 gone through the first movie again, fucking ready, man, I'm ready, 1837 01:26:33.600 --> 01:26:36.359 I'm ready for it. So yeah, I'm gonna I'll get 1838 01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:39.000 my tunic out or my toga whatever they're called, and 1839 01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:40.279 the that era. 1840 01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:42.720 Leave your sword and shield at home, maybe. 1841 01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:44.239 I'll leave myself. I'll bring my grapes. I'm more of 1842 01:26:44.279 --> 01:26:47.319 a commedist type of role, you know in wartimes, as 1843 01:26:47.319 --> 01:26:47.920 opposed to a. 1844 01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:49.399 Maximum in front of someone's face. 1845 01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:53.399 I just picture that one robot from Futurama, you know, 1846 01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:58.399 oh yeah whatever his name was, Yeah, but oh yeah, 1847 01:26:58.520 --> 01:27:01.960 number rating? Uh ten? Why not? 1848 01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:05.520 Oh yeah, so casually dropped a ten out of ten. 1849 01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:07.720 That's crazy, dropped it like commodists. 1850 01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:08.439 Yeah. 1851 01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:11.960 I did look it up, and it is a new 1852 01:27:12.479 --> 01:27:16.640 composer for well, not a new he's he's an aged composer, 1853 01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:19.720 but he it's someone different from the first one who 1854 01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:22.920 just has like the funniest career did. He composed the 1855 01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:28.479 music for Shrek, Spy Kids, Metal Gear, Solid Four, Call 1856 01:27:28.560 --> 01:27:33.720 of Duty, Modern Warfare, Excellent Origins, Wolverine, the Martians. So 1857 01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:37.520 he's worked at Ridley Scott before we got the Meg 1858 01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:41.039 we got the Meg two, We've got a house of Gucci. 1859 01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:45.319 So this guy is just he's everywhere, He's composing no 1860 01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:47.359 matter what the genre is, he is your guy. 1861 01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:48.119 Uh. 1862 01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:52.439 That guy's name is Harry Gregson Williams, So we'll see 1863 01:27:52.479 --> 01:27:55.760 what kind of music he drums up for the sequel here. Yeah, 1864 01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:57.680 I had a really good time with this movie. It 1865 01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:00.960 was a really good discussion to just break down some 1866 01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:02.439 of these character things, and I think it was it 1867 01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:04.720 was as you mentioned Kirkland, Like obviously I didn't have 1868 01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:07.000 the nostalgic view of like loving the fight scenes back 1869 01:28:07.039 --> 01:28:09.319 in the day, but just seeing like, man, this movie 1870 01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:12.520 really did have a huge focus on on characters and writing, 1871 01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:14.399 especially with all the rewrites. It's it's fun to hear 1872 01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:16.720 that kind of how that came to be. But yeah, 1873 01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:19.760 really really good time. Really excited for this sequel. I'm 1874 01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:23.960 gonna drop a point four on this puppy right here. 1875 01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:24.439 Four. 1876 01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:26.600 Yeah, I love it. 1877 01:28:28.039 --> 01:28:32.239 Oh man, Yeah, I am just super super stoked for 1878 01:28:32.319 --> 01:28:35.159 this sequel. I'm super stoked to just see how the 1879 01:28:35.199 --> 01:28:38.279 technology is improved on everything we got to dive into 1880 01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:40.359 with this movie. Because this movie I thought it was 1881 01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:42.399 fun and getting the lions in there, and getting all 1882 01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:45.840 the different like chariots and all the fun little things. 1883 01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:49.760 There were tigers, tigers. There's lions in there. 1884 01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:53.880 There's lions and tigers. Everything in there. 1885 01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:58.520 Yeah, just everything anything with teeth and claws just prants 1886 01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:01.439 around in there. I I think it's gonna be it's 1887 01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:02.880 gonna be a wild time. It's gonna be a good time. 1888 01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:04.359 But yeah, this this movie was It was a lot 1889 01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:07.319 of fun. It was great, and it definitely it's one 1890 01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:09.520 that sure as a little kid, I would have just 1891 01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:12.039 been loving it, and I'm surprised I didn't get around 1892 01:29:12.039 --> 01:29:12.399 to watching it. 1893 01:29:12.399 --> 01:29:13.039 As a little kid. 1894 01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:16.159 But as an adult it's nice because you can seeing 1895 01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:18.560 all these movies and again maybe a little foreshadowed good fellas, 1896 01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:21.279 like again watching these movies now and just being able 1897 01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:24.479 to have a little bit more worldly experience to a 1898 01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:26.319 slight degree. I Mean, I'm not a gladiator, but at 1899 01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:28.279 least I can kind of follow along with the motives 1900 01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:30.199 of the characters and just kind of see like, Okay, 1901 01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:32.520 these guys are real jerks and just kind of like 1902 01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:34.199 fill in the gaps a little bit more as supposed 1903 01:29:34.239 --> 01:29:36.279 to being a kid and be like, oh yeah, fucking 1904 01:29:36.359 --> 01:29:37.279 kill them and it's. 1905 01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:39.439 Just like sounding like one of the audience members or something. 1906 01:29:39.520 --> 01:29:41.920 So don't mock me. 1907 01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:43.720 They'll mock me back in the day. 1908 01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:48.600 But yeah, I'm gonna go. I'll probably go a nine 1909 01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:49.119 out of ten. 1910 01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:51.479 I'm in the middle with between you guys, So I'm 1911 01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:53.920 excited to rewatch this movie. I'm excited to watch it 1912 01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:57.720 after I watched the second one and yeah, that does it. 1913 01:29:57.880 --> 01:29:59.720 So anything else do you guys have? 1914 01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:01.239 Absolutely not? 1915 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:05.720 Thank you. 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