Speaker 1: Jump looking for excitement. Chumba Casino is here. Play anytime,
Speaker 1: play anywhere, Play on the train, play at the store,
Speaker 1: play at home, Play when you're bored, Play today for
Speaker 1: your chance to win and get daily bonuses when you
Speaker 1: log in. So what are you waiting for? Don't delay?
Speaker 1: Chumba Casino is free to play.
Speaker 2: Experience social gameplay like never before. Go to Chumbuck Casino
Speaker 2: right now to play hundreds of games, including online slots, bingos, Lingo,
Speaker 2: and more. Live the Chumble life at champacasino dot com.
Speaker 3: Jwproove no part necessary word.
Speaker 2: We're prohibited by loss he terms and conditions.
Speaker 4: Eaighting plus Black Friday is coming And for the adults
Speaker 4: in your life who love the coolest toys, well there's
Speaker 4: something for them this year too. Bartisian is the premiere
Speaker 4: craft cocktail maker that automatically makes more than sixty seasonal
Speaker 4: and classic cocktails each and out of thirty seconds at
Speaker 4: the push of a button. And right now, Bartisian is
Speaker 4: having a huge sight wide sale. You can get one
Speaker 4: hundred dollars off any cocktail maker or cocktail maker bundle
Speaker 4: when you spend four hundred dollars or more so if
Speaker 4: the cocktail love in your life has been good this
Speaker 4: year or the right kind of bad?
Speaker 5: Get them Botisian at the push of a button.
Speaker 4: Make Bach quality Cosmopolitans, Mattini's, Manhattan's, and more, all in
Speaker 4: just thirty seconds, all for ae hundred off.
Speaker 5: Amazing toys not just for kids.
Speaker 4: Get one hundred off of cocktail Maker when you spend
Speaker 4: four hundred through Cyber Monday. Visit Baptisian dot com slash cocktail.
Speaker 4: That's ba r t E sia n dot com slash cocktail.
Speaker 6: Have you googled yourself lately? Are there negative posts from
Speaker 6: an ex employee or from a former client, maybe an
Speaker 6: outdated news article. Search engines don't always get it right
Speaker 6: for right or wrong. It's your reputation on the line.
Speaker 6: That's where Reputation Defender by Norton comes in. Take control.
Speaker 6: With Reputation Defender, their cutting edge approaches help you to
Speaker 6: wipe away unwanted information in your search results. They also
Speaker 6: promote the good stuff. You can start by getting your
Speaker 6: free reputation report card at reputation defender dot com or
Speaker 6: call eight hundred eighty one one forty nine seventy five
Speaker 6: to speak to an expert.
Speaker 7: Hello it is Ryan and we could all use an
Speaker 7: extra bright spot in our day, couldn't we just to
Speaker 7: make up for things like sitting in traffic, doing the dishes,
Speaker 7: counting or steps, you know, all the mundane stuff. That
Speaker 7: is why I'm such a big fan of Chumba Casino.
Speaker 7: Chumpback Casino has all your favorite social casino style games
Speaker 7: you can play for free, anytime, anywhere with daily bonuses.
Speaker 7: So sign up now at chumbucasino dot com. That's Chumba
Speaker 7: Casino dot com.
Speaker 8: Sponsored by Chumpa Casino. No purchase necessary VEGW Group Ford.
Speaker 8: We're prohibited by Law eighteen plus. Terms and conditions apply.
Speaker 4: Black Friday is coming And for the adults in your
Speaker 4: life who love the coolest toys, well there's something for
Speaker 4: them this year too. Bartisian is the premiere craft cocktail
Speaker 4: maker that automatically makes more than sixty seasonal and classic
Speaker 4: cocktails each and out of thirty seconds at the push
Speaker 4: of a button. And right now, Bartisian is having a
Speaker 4: huge sight wide sale. You can get one hundred dollars
Speaker 4: off any cocktail maker or cocktail maker bundle when you
Speaker 4: spend four hundred dollars or more. So if the cocktail
Speaker 4: lover in your life has been good this year or
Speaker 4: the right kind of bad. Get them Botiesian at the
Speaker 4: push of a button, make far quality Cosmopolitans, Martini's, Manhattan's,
Speaker 4: and more, all in just thirty seconds, all for a
Speaker 4: hundred off amazing toys.
Speaker 5: I'm just for kids.
Speaker 4: Get one hundred off of cocktail Maker when you spend
Speaker 4: four hundred through Cyber Monday. Visit Botisian dot com slash cocktail.
Speaker 4: That's PA r T s I a n dot com
Speaker 4: slash cocktail.
Speaker 9: Recently, a new client called me and started by saying,
Speaker 9: mister Morgan, I really need your.
Speaker 10: Help, but I'm just a nobody.
Speaker 9: Those words stunned me and I immediately called him back,
Speaker 9: and we're now helping him and his family after a
Speaker 9: terrible accident.
Speaker 10: I'm John Morgan and Morgan and Morgan.
Speaker 9: Everybody who comes to our firm at their time of
Speaker 9: need is a somebody. I grew up poor, but my
Speaker 9: grandmother was like a queen to us at Morgan and Morgan.
Speaker 9: Our goal is to level the playing field for you
Speaker 9: and your family and your time of need. The insurance
Speaker 9: company has unlimited money and resources.
Speaker 10: You need a firm who can fight them toe to
Speaker 10: toe for right.
Speaker 9: At thirty years, we have fought them in courtrooms throughout America.
Speaker 9: Our results speak for themselves, and always remember this, everybody.
Speaker 10: Is a somebody and nobody is a nobody.
Speaker 9: Visit for the People dot com to learn about our firm,
Speaker 9: Morgan and Morgan for the people injured. Visit for the
Speaker 9: People dot Com for an office near you.
Speaker 11: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to.
Speaker 3: This late night with a few retrospective on the.
Speaker 11: Geekers Bar podcast.
Speaker 3: I am your host, one of your hosts. All roads
Speaker 3: lead to Rome taylor Field, and I'm joined by.
Speaker 12: I am the Bull Trickle Batzer, and I am the
Speaker 12: Herbs in the day, Jasmine in the evening, Dolomus.
Speaker 11: There you go.
Speaker 3: So, yes, we are here to talk Gladiator, the old
Speaker 3: Russell Crow Ridley Scott's Gladiator. But before we get into that,
Speaker 3: a couple of plugs. You can find us with your
Speaker 3: Internet connection in the search bar. Geek Verse dot Ca
Speaker 3: is our own base. Geek verst Cast is our Twitter.
Speaker 12: Is it a bit? Or is Taylor sick? The viewers
Speaker 12: will never know.
Speaker 11: God, that's hilarious.
Speaker 13: He's working on a new role for a new acting
Speaker 13: piece voice actor.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: I hear that they're looking for a uh what was it,
Speaker 3: like a male in their thirties for James Bond.
Speaker 13: So yeah, I'm only a voice. They're only looking for
Speaker 13: the voice, only the voice.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you'll just have to like infect yourself with disease
Speaker 12: you always sound sick so that you have the voice
Speaker 12: that they hired you for.
Speaker 11: That's exactly right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Patreon where you can get ad free exclusive early content.
Speaker 11: Available there, and be sure to just drop the thank.
Speaker 3: Yous along with us here to these amazing folks over
Speaker 3: on the Patreon, because we got Patreon producers Aaron Braiden,
Speaker 3: April of Darkness, Jack Grant, MUDs, Sam super Bad, MICD
Speaker 3: Loves Me sixty nine, Jeremy Reiner, and Detall you folks
Speaker 3: are fan freaking tastic, amazing roster lineup right there. I
Speaker 3: love you guys so very much. Now, I've been kind
Speaker 3: of like out to lunch lately.
Speaker 11: Well, this is a retro, so I don't know. I
Speaker 11: guess it's dropping tomorrow on the public feeds.
Speaker 3: But what do you guys have to shout out anything
Speaker 3: that's been going on, anything of interest?
Speaker 13: I had a nice newscast this week, which was nice.
Speaker 13: Did a lot of trailer reviews that was lots of fun.
Speaker 13: Did a nice side quest with the with the big
Speaker 13: Dylan Muss love me right Now?
Speaker 12: Yeah, that was That was a juicy, juicy episode.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 13: Lengthy, Yeah, I too lengthy two man cast. So I'm
Speaker 13: curious if this three is my first three men cast
Speaker 13: of the week. I'm curiously it's gonna be shorter than
Speaker 13: the last two and a half hour two men casts
Speaker 13: I've been on.
Speaker 12: But and then obviously we're recording Goodfellows retrospective as well.
Speaker 12: I don't know when that's gonna hit the free feeds,
Speaker 12: but I definitely hit petron if you want to get
Speaker 12: access to that. Nice and nice and soon should be discussion.
Speaker 11: Yes, definitely.
Speaker 3: Uh cool, Well let's uh, I mean, who wants? Who
Speaker 3: wants to take it? We're gonna get into Gladiator. I
Speaker 3: guess do you want to do non spoilers first? I
Speaker 3: can't remember how we do it with retro kind of roll.
Speaker 12: In with a little non spoiler overall sort of song.
Speaker 13: At the end.
Speaker 12: I'll jump in here. So this is my first time
Speaker 12: ever watching this movie. Yeah, I feel like in my mind,
Speaker 12: I feel like I've always mixed up Gladiator in three
Speaker 12: hundred and I've never seen either of those movies, and
Speaker 12: I don't know why, because they like back in the day,
Speaker 12: they seem like my cup of Tea, Like this is
Speaker 12: very kind of Lord of the Rings adjacent in a sense,
Speaker 12: and this came out around that same time period, So
Speaker 12: I don't know why I have not seen it until now,
Speaker 12: but I finally have, And Yeah, I really enjoyed my
Speaker 12: time with this one. I think even going into the sequel,
Speaker 12: like I don't know, I just really like the trailers
Speaker 12: for that. I was like, I want to go watch
Speaker 12: the first one, I want to watch the second one.
Speaker 12: I'm into it for whatever reason. But yeah, I had
Speaker 12: a really good time with this movie, and I think
Speaker 12: it in some ways was exactly what I was expecting of,
Speaker 12: just like Gladiator battles and stuff. But I think what
Speaker 12: was surprising me and what I found that I liked
Speaker 12: even more than that stuff was just the characters. Like
Speaker 12: there's some really fun performances here, of course, like Walking Phoenix,
Speaker 12: like I feel like in one of his earlier big roles,
Speaker 12: like I don't know if it was one of his first,
Speaker 12: but I feel like it was one of the ones
Speaker 12: that put him on the map to a certain extent,
Speaker 12: And I could be wrong about that, but it feels
Speaker 12: that way. Uh, and some other characters and actors that
Speaker 12: I haven't seen a whole lot before, and yeah, we're
Speaker 12: also cool. Like I don't know, I feel like he's
Speaker 12: just in the weirdest stuff these days. So it's fun
Speaker 12: to go back to maybe like his prime or like
Speaker 12: his most famous movie and see what he looked like
Speaker 12: in this in this time period. Yeah, Like, everyone does
Speaker 12: a really good job there. I think there's some interesting
Speaker 12: like especially walking Phoenix's character, like that is not the
Speaker 12: type of archetype I would expect for a movie like this,
Speaker 12: and so I think it was really fun to see
Speaker 12: what they went with here. So I'm excited to break
Speaker 12: that down. And uh yeah, I mean I think they
Speaker 12: do pretty good job with the like all the action stuff.
Speaker 12: Of course, this was like a nice practical effects era
Speaker 12: where they weren't just CGI and every horse and thing
Speaker 12: in the background, so it feels very authentic in that way.
Speaker 12: I didn't end up loving a lot of the fight scenes,
Speaker 12: and we'll talk about why that is, which you know,
Speaker 12: for a movie like this, I feel like that should
Speaker 12: be one of the highlights. But overall I found like
Speaker 12: this movie too, just like really good pacing. Just it
Speaker 12: just flew by. And it's tricky when you have a
Speaker 12: movie like this where like, Okay, it's historical, and we're
Speaker 12: like building off of Okay, here's all these things that
Speaker 12: happened in the past, your other other Seeson's other leaders,
Speaker 12: all these wars, and you're kind of just thrown in
Speaker 12: the middle of it, like there's no way not to
Speaker 12: just be thrown in the middle of it, and like
Speaker 12: a history story like this, But I think they did
Speaker 12: a good job of just like if they're if they
Speaker 12: didn't explain the things you need to know, even just
Speaker 12: like the performances were like a little subtle details you
Speaker 12: just filled in. You're just right in it right away.
Speaker 12: So yeah, I I had a really surprisingly I don't
Speaker 12: know if it's I don't know if surprising is the
Speaker 12: right word, but I had a really good time with
Speaker 12: this one all the way through.
Speaker 13: Hell yeah, yeah, I this is this one's deep seated
Speaker 13: in my history banks for sure. This was definitely like
Speaker 13: a VHS that my family had that I had in rotation,
Speaker 13: And yeah, I loved movies like this or like in
Speaker 13: that era, especially like thinking of Gladiator or Troy Kingdom
Speaker 13: of Heaven, like that's that's maybe a little bit more
Speaker 13: of a drawn out, less so action one, but like
Speaker 13: still just like that era of like these big epic
Speaker 13: movies I feel like I always just loved as a kid,
Speaker 13: especially like one of the first video games ever plays
Speaker 13: like Age of Vampires and like Age like I just
Speaker 13: love like this era, especially like the strategic military side
Speaker 13: of it. I just always love. So Yeah, I really
Speaker 13: really love this movie as a kid. I feel like
Speaker 13: I watched it many many times. I don't know exact
Speaker 13: number on it, but it for it was very surprising
Speaker 13: going through it now because as many times as I
Speaker 13: had seen it, I feel like there's still a lot
Speaker 13: that I got on like this viewing of maybe just
Speaker 13: because it's been many years since I had seen it,
Speaker 13: and I don't know, just younger. Younger is not really
Speaker 13: knowing about all like the politicking or maybe some of
Speaker 13: like the more philosophical ideas, because we have like Marcus
Speaker 13: Aurelius in here. I feel like as a kid, I
Speaker 13: definitely didn't know who that would have been, like in
Speaker 13: you know, in history so yeah, this is one that
Speaker 13: I feel like it just ages so well, Like this
Speaker 13: came out in two thousand and because it doesn't rely
Speaker 13: on like CGI and like practical effects to what they
Speaker 13: for like what they had available in that time, Like
Speaker 13: they used like real horses in a lot of these scenes,
Speaker 13: and like just just there's so much epic stuff going
Speaker 13: on that's all like real, and it just to me,
Speaker 13: it just makes it seem like it's gonna be one
Speaker 13: of those timeless movies that just goes on forever.
Speaker 12: Real decapitations with volunteers of course.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it was like a tropic thunder type situation that
Speaker 13: thought it was actors but not really. They're just that
Speaker 13: that devoted. But no, it looks fantastic, like all the
Speaker 13: costume designs and everything and just just all of the scenery.
Speaker 13: Like it's just really really well made movie. I didn't
Speaker 13: even know that in one like all these oscars, but
Speaker 13: like it makes sense watching it. It just yeah, it's
Speaker 13: a beautiful film, and uh yeah, I just really really
Speaker 13: like it. This is also one that I remember watching
Speaker 13: like middle school, like they showed it to us in
Speaker 13: like history class. I just thought it was like the
Speaker 13: coolest thing ever like getting to watch like a movie
Speaker 13: that I really like and then just just yeah doing
Speaker 13: it in school, which was always great, but.
Speaker 12: Yeah, cool, I didn't get to watch this.
Speaker 13: God damn you weren't French Immersion though that was in
Speaker 13: Madame Ganie's class in great hls out to Madame Ganie,
Speaker 13: but yeah, cool passed the torch.
Speaker 11: Uh yeah, this movie.
Speaker 3: I've I've seen him bits and parts, but it's never
Speaker 3: been something that I've actually deep dived into before and
Speaker 3: watched in one whole sitting.
Speaker 13: So that's surprising. I feel. I feel like Russell Crowe
Speaker 13: to me is like a big Taylor fan cast type
Speaker 13: character or like just an actor that you really like.
Speaker 3: He is an actor that I really like. I mean,
Speaker 3: you got him as Robin Hood.
Speaker 11: Which I that was great.
Speaker 7: I love that movie.
Speaker 11: Travis doesn't like it?
Speaker 3: What else do you got him an talk about trev
Speaker 3: That's right. He was the Pope, Pope accessist. So he's
Speaker 3: definitely popping up in roles that I do like. And
Speaker 3: it's funny because he's always been that guy that just
Speaker 3: he reminds me of Gerard Butler.
Speaker 11: You know, they have a similar kind of vibe or
Speaker 11: like like they look.
Speaker 3: Similar, right, So sometimes I'm think, oh, yeah, Russell Crowe,
Speaker 3: he was in that Olympus has Fallen, Like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: that was definitely not he was in three hundred.
Speaker 11: Yes, there you go.
Speaker 3: But yeah, as far as this movie goes, I I was, yeah,
Speaker 3: not sure exactly what to expect, but I remembered a
Speaker 3: few things and I've seen like the gifts and everything
Speaker 3: of Joaquin Phoenix, and so I knew a couple of
Speaker 3: little familiar scenes, but all in all, I did not
Speaker 3: know what I was in store for with these characters
Speaker 3: and with the overall story and everything that was going on.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll talk about it more, but you brought it.
Speaker 11: Up, Kirkland.
Speaker 3: It was just a pleasant surprise. We got the og
Speaker 3: Mumbledore in there, as like, what the heck? I couldn't
Speaker 3: believe because I'm trying to pinpoint that voice and I've
Speaker 3: never seen them in anything else outside of Harry Potter Richard.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, uh cool.
Speaker 3: Well we'll take a quick first ad break here and
Speaker 3: then we'll get into some juicy discussionary spoilers, so.
Speaker 11: We'll be right back.
Speaker 7: It is Ryan here, and I have a question for you.
Speaker 7: What do you do when you win? Like, are you
Speaker 7: a fist pumper, a wooo, a handclapper, a high fiver.
Speaker 7: If you want to hone in on those winning moves,
Speaker 7: check out Chumbuck Casino. Choose from hundreds of social casino
Speaker 7: style games for your chance to redeem serious cash prizes.
Speaker 7: There are new game releases weekly, plus free daily bonuses,
Speaker 7: so don't wait start having the most fun ever at
Speaker 7: Chumbuck casino dot com.
Speaker 8: Sponsored by Chump Casino. No purchase necessary VGW Group Ford.
Speaker 8: We're prohibited by Law eighteen plus. Terms and conditions apply.
Speaker 4: Black Friday is coming, and for the adults in your
Speaker 4: life who love the coolest toys, well there's something for
Speaker 4: them this year too. Baptisian is the premiere craft cocktail
Speaker 4: maker that automatically makes more than sixty seasonal and classic
Speaker 4: cocktails each and out of thirty seconds at the push
Speaker 4: of a button. And right now, Bartsian is having a
Speaker 4: huge sight wide sale.
Speaker 5: You can get one hundred dollars off any cocktail maker
Speaker 5: or cocktail maker bundle when you spend four hundred dollars
Speaker 5: or more.
Speaker 4: So, if the cocktail lover in your life has been
Speaker 4: good this year or the right kind of bad, get
Speaker 4: them Bartesian at the push of a button, make Bark
Speaker 4: quality Cosmopolitans, Martini's, Manhattan's, and more, all in just thirty seconds,
Speaker 4: all for ae hundred off. Amazing toys aren't just for kids.
Speaker 4: Get one hundred off a cocktail maker when you spend
Speaker 4: four hundred through cyber Monday. Visit Bartsian dot com slash cocktail.
Speaker 4: That's PA r T s i a n dot com
Speaker 4: slash cocktail.
Speaker 9: Recently, a new client called me and started by saying,
Speaker 9: mister Morgan, I really.
Speaker 10: Need your help, but I'm just a nobody.
Speaker 9: Those words me and I immediately called him back and
Speaker 9: we're now helping him and his family after a terrible accident.
Speaker 10: I'm John Morgan of Morgan and Morgan.
Speaker 9: Everybody who comes to our firm at their time of
Speaker 9: need is a somebody. I grew up poor, but my
Speaker 9: grandmother was like a queen to us. At Morgan and Morgan.
Speaker 9: Our goal is to level the playing field for you
Speaker 9: and your family at your time of need. The insurance
Speaker 9: company has unlimited money and resources.
Speaker 10: You need a firm who.
Speaker 9: Can fight them toe to toe for right at thirty years.
Speaker 9: We have fought them in courtrooms throughout America our results
Speaker 9: speak for themselves, and always remember this, everybody is a.
Speaker 10: Somebody and nobody is a nobody.
Speaker 9: Visit for the People dot com to learn about our firm,
Speaker 9: Morgan and Morgan. For the people injured, Visit for the
Speaker 9: People dot com for an office near you.
Speaker 10: Ryan Seacrest here.
Speaker 7: When you have a busy schedule, it's important to maximize
Speaker 7: your downtime. One of the best ways to do that
Speaker 7: is by going to Chumbuckcasino dot com.
Speaker 13: Mumba Casino has.
Speaker 7: All your favorite social casino games like spin, slots, bingo,
Speaker 7: and Solitaire that you can play for free for a
Speaker 7: chance to redeem some serious prizes. So hop on to
Speaker 7: chumbacasino dot com now and live the chumber life sponsored
Speaker 7: by chump A Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW group void.
Speaker 7: We're prohibited by Law eighteen plus. Terms and conditions apply.
Speaker 5: Black Friday is coming and for the adults in.
Speaker 4: Your life who love the coolest toys, well.
Speaker 5: There's something for them this year too.
Speaker 4: Bartisian is the premiere craft cocktail maker that automatically makes
Speaker 4: more than sixty seasonal and classic cocktails each and out
Speaker 4: of thirty seconds at the push of a button and
Speaker 4: right now Bartisian is having a huge sight wide sale.
Speaker 5: You can get one hundred dollars off any cocktail maker
Speaker 5: or cocktail maker.
Speaker 4: Bundle when you spend four hundred dollars or more so,
Speaker 4: if the cocktail lover in your life has been good
Speaker 4: this year or the right kind of bad, get them
Speaker 4: Bartsian at the push of a button, make Barka, the Cosmopolitans, Makteni's, Manhattans,
Speaker 4: and more, all in just thirty seconds, all for a
Speaker 4: hundred off amazing toys.
Speaker 5: I'm just putting kids.
Speaker 4: Get one hundred off of cocktail maker when you spend
Speaker 4: four hundred. Through Cyber Monday, visit Baptisian dot com slash cocktail.
Speaker 4: That's b ar t s i a n dot com
Speaker 4: slash cocktail.
Speaker 9: Recently, a new client called me and started by saying,
Speaker 9: mister Morgan, I really need your.
Speaker 10: Help, but I'm just a nobody.
Speaker 9: Those words stunned me and I immediately called him back,
Speaker 9: and we're now helping him and his family after a
Speaker 9: terrible accident. I'm John Morgan, and Morgan and Morgan. Everybody
Speaker 9: who comes to our firm at their time of need
Speaker 9: is a somebody. I grew up poor but my grandmother
Speaker 9: was like a queen to us. At Morgan and Morgan,
Speaker 9: our goal is to level the playing field for you
Speaker 9: and your family and your time of need. The insurance
Speaker 9: company has unlimited money and resources. You need a firm
Speaker 9: who can fight them toe to toe. Right at thirty years,
Speaker 9: we have fought them in courtrooms throughout America.
Speaker 10: Our results speak for themselves.
Speaker 9: And always remember this, everybody is a somebody and nobody
Speaker 9: is a nobody. Visit for the People dot Com to
Speaker 9: learn about our firm, Morgan and Morgan for the people injured.
Speaker 14: Visit for the People dot Com for an office near you.
Speaker 3: And we're back. So what are we talking here?
Speaker 11: Where we start?
Speaker 12: I want to start exactly where you left off there,
Speaker 12: And this is a classic Kirkland starting at the beginning,
Speaker 12: but it's only beginning because Richard harr Is his character
Speaker 12: of course, dies off pretty soon, like he's maybe in
Speaker 12: like ten percent of the movie. But yeah, I wanted
Speaker 12: to break that character down a little more, a little
Speaker 12: bit more because kind of who I was saying about,
Speaker 12: like you're really just kind of thrown in the middle
Speaker 12: of like history here and we're like picking up and
Speaker 12: I feel like a big part of this movie is
Speaker 12: like a huge important part about the people of Rome
Speaker 12: here is how much respect and admiration and they have
Speaker 12: for Marcus Aurelius, like the Caesar at this time. That
Speaker 12: was something I don't feel like I knew until now.
Speaker 12: Caesar is that like just the name of like the
Speaker 12: king essentially for Rome at any time? Yeah, I feel
Speaker 12: like I now knew that, So I'm history dummy. I
Speaker 12: need to play more Age Empires. Clearly a lot of Sieve,
Speaker 12: but that's not enough clear total war Rome.
Speaker 13: There you go.
Speaker 12: Go, Okay, Okay, that'll be my next pickup. But yeah,
Speaker 12: I think like there's so much that we have to
Speaker 12: buy into of like the people loving this guy. And
Speaker 12: then also a big part of Maximus's story is like
Speaker 12: this revenge tale, and obviously a part of that is
Speaker 12: because of his family, but it starts out because of
Speaker 12: his love and admiration for Caesar as well for Marcus Aurelius,
Speaker 12: and then even through the movie persists like obviously, first
Speaker 12: and foremost it's because his wife and kid were murdered,
Speaker 12: but he also always wants his goal is always because
Speaker 12: of Marcus Aurelius and his respect for him as well.
Speaker 12: And so I think it's it's hard in a movie
Speaker 12: like this, like, Okay, given the amount of screen time
Speaker 12: we got to move the story along, how are we
Speaker 12: gonna find that level attachment to that character? But I
Speaker 12: think that's where Richard Harris like did such a freaking
Speaker 12: killer job. And just like you, Taylor, I've never as
Speaker 12: far as I don't seen him in anything else. You know,
Speaker 12: he obviously passed away early two thousands, so his career.
Speaker 12: This was like probably one of his last movies. I
Speaker 12: think he just brought so much charisma and I like
Speaker 12: he just felt like a lovable grandfather guy. And like
Speaker 12: even before I was like, oh, yeah, that's doubled round,
Speaker 12: I have that kind of admiration for him from that role.
Speaker 12: But even outside of that, I guess just that like
Speaker 12: he was put he was cast for roles like that
Speaker 12: because he was able to bring that gravitas and especially yeah,
Speaker 12: for a movie like this where he doesn't have a
Speaker 12: ton of screen time. I think he did such a
Speaker 12: great job that he was like pulling on my heart
Speaker 12: strings like from get Go and that, Like I found
Speaker 12: that really impressive and that really held a lot of
Speaker 12: the movie. And then motivations for a lot of characters together,
Speaker 12: so big ups to him in particular, he really was
Speaker 12: a standout.
Speaker 13: Yeah, No, one hundred percent that I feel like on
Speaker 13: this viewing, that was like the biggest impact I think
Speaker 13: I've I felt on this like viewing compared to like
Speaker 13: back in the day, I just was all for the
Speaker 13: fucking battle scenes and you know, just.
Speaker 12: Like the Gladiator kicking out. Now that I'm more of
Speaker 12: an adult, like.
Speaker 13: I just appreciate these these moments so much more. And
Speaker 13: I love that you mentioned that because it very much
Speaker 13: is like a just like a cloud over like the
Speaker 13: entire movie of just like this legacy that that he's
Speaker 13: given across and kind of his his teachings, Like although
Speaker 13: he died, like it wasn't just for nothing, like obviously
Speaker 13: his teachings like lived on through the Gladiator to to
Speaker 13: like make the change to Rome and then had like
Speaker 13: a basically just put an end to like this tyrannical emperor,
Speaker 13: just like undoing all these great works that Marcus Aurelio was.
Speaker 13: Marcus Aurelius was doing because this whole plan, right was
Speaker 13: to dissolve more so of the dictatorship and have it
Speaker 13: more of a like a senate, so I Yeah, I
Speaker 13: I don't know. I just really loved his scenes because,
Speaker 13: as you mentioned, like he just has so much just
Speaker 13: such a presence, like you just feel like, man, this
Speaker 13: is like the ruler that like everyone should just be loving,
Speaker 13: Like this is just seess so grandfatherly. And yeah, I
Speaker 13: really liked how kind of the theme of even with
Speaker 13: like his daughter's scenes between Maximus and and her of
Speaker 13: just speaking on like believing in Rome and like and
Speaker 13: like what it means it's not just one man. And yeah,
Speaker 13: I feel like that just like those scenes like gave
Speaker 13: me goosebumps. This this time around. It was like, man,
Speaker 13: like I it's like I'm watching a whole new movie now,
Speaker 13: Like I just really am appreciating this. So yeah, it
Speaker 13: actually like I feel like I lifted my score. Honestly,
Speaker 13: I'm just like, man, this movie is better than I
Speaker 13: than I even thought. So yeah, it was nice.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He he really really brought his a game. I mean
Speaker 3: in every role he does, I mean, the only two
Speaker 3: tips see him and I just feel like he's he's
Speaker 3: he's shown up to play and I love that.
Speaker 11: At the I mean, at the end of the movie.
Speaker 3: It's just it's it's his word. It's like he's just
Speaker 3: he's spiritually just transferred over into Maximus, Like Maximus is
Speaker 3: just like his.
Speaker 13: Just avatar Avatar with Marcus Aurelio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he's just he just really commands so much respect,
Speaker 3: and it's just it's amazing how shit really hits the
Speaker 3: fan so quickly at the start of this movie. But
Speaker 3: the scenes that he's in with Maximus, it's just great
Speaker 3: because he's like, I just want to talk to you, man,
Speaker 3: de man, like disregard like the title and everything and
Speaker 3: the positions and the status.
Speaker 11: Let's just have a conversation.
Speaker 3: And it's just a simple chat like oh, I have
Speaker 3: a farm with some animals and whatnot. And he just
Speaker 3: loves hearing that. It's just that simplicity. And then you
Speaker 3: have his son come in, come off, what is it?
Speaker 11: Yeah, So that whole.
Speaker 3: Conversation was just crazy, especially just the way he delivers it.
Speaker 3: When Caesar is just like, you're you're how does he
Speaker 3: say it your failure is a son or you.
Speaker 11: God, I'm butchering.
Speaker 12: He pretty much just is saying, like, your shortcomings are
Speaker 12: because of my bad parents.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And it's like, oh, he's just he lands
Speaker 3: that line so well and it's so powerful, and then
Speaker 3: what does his son do? Just like, yeah, goddamn it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's like he's trying to console them. But that
Speaker 12: is one of the sickest burns in history. I feel
Speaker 12: like to say that to someone, like, God, damn that
Speaker 12: is that is that is brutal. He's kind of giving
Speaker 12: into him not having confidence in me. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 12: you should not be confident in yourself, but it's kind
Speaker 12: of my fault. But at the same time, you still
Speaker 12: kind of suck. Obviously said in a very you know,
Speaker 12: Roman Caesar sort away.
Speaker 13: That's how common has heard it, though Common has heard
Speaker 13: yes only as a slight towards him.
Speaker 12: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, we want to talk about commonists at
Speaker 12: this point in time.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 13: Absolutely. I I feel like, now that I've gone through
Speaker 13: seeing characters like Geoffrey Lanister and like and like just
Speaker 13: villain performances, I feel like used to just make me
Speaker 13: angry as a kid, and like I would just get
Speaker 13: mad at that character and be like I hate that
Speaker 13: character for this reason. I just don't like that.
Speaker 12: Actor in that role.
Speaker 13: Now it's like, man, I just appreciate people able to
Speaker 13: do that performance. Honestly, I'm just being so hated that,
Speaker 13: Like everyone and their grandmother sees that performance, Like, man,
Speaker 13: that is a bad person. I hate that character. I
Speaker 13: want them to die. So maybe not to that full extent,
Speaker 13: but definitely in this movie, I feel like it's warranted
Speaker 13: so like, and now that I've just seen a lot
Speaker 13: more of Walking Phoenix's performance, getting like he looks like
Speaker 13: such a baby in this movie compared to like the
Speaker 13: last thing I saw him, it would have been Joker
Speaker 13: to all these years later, twenty four years later, So
Speaker 13: I just man, like, I feel like he he's just
Speaker 13: such such a quality actor to be able to like again,
Speaker 13: like just the different layers of performance that he's done,
Speaker 13: whether it's Joker or his character from her when he's
Speaker 13: a relationship with like AI to like this, Like man,
Speaker 13: I feel like I just appreciate the performance so much
Speaker 13: more now that I've seen more of what he's done.
Speaker 13: In a long winded way of just saying it his
Speaker 13: great performance and yeah, I feel like he's just such
Speaker 13: a whiny brat and it's such like a distorted view
Speaker 13: on what's going on. And I just love the scenes.
Speaker 13: I feel like with his sister, it's like, will you
Speaker 13: stay with me tonight? And she's like, oh, you're still scared.
Speaker 13: It's like, yeah, some I'm very scared still. He's just
Speaker 13: such like a pathetic individual. It's and then and then
Speaker 13: like it'll go from like those scenes to like the
Speaker 13: most Manliest a man fighting for his life and like
Speaker 13: basically the survival of Rome in the glad Eater Pit.
Speaker 13: So it was just such an interesting like juxtaposition between
Speaker 13: those two characters. And I just loved whether they were
Speaker 13: interacting with each other or just like scenes on their
Speaker 13: own and then go to the other. I just love
Speaker 13: the balance of spending time amongst the two And yeah,
Speaker 13: comments is good.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I mean I totally agree. I think it was.
Speaker 12: It was funny watching this movie and being like, oh yeah,
Speaker 12: people like hundreds of years ago in this era could
Speaker 12: just like have depression. You know, you kind of forget
Speaker 12: about that, and I feel like commedists. That's why I
Speaker 12: thought was so interesting about him, is like this guy
Speaker 12: is just deeply, deeply depressed and that leads to many
Speaker 12: other issues and then he has he has other problems too,
Speaker 12: but on top of that, I just kind of feel
Speaker 12: like that fuels a lot of what's going on here.
Speaker 12: And as you mentioned, like the cast scene of Walking
Speaker 12: Phoenix is so interesting given those roles you mentioned, even
Speaker 12: throw like bo is afraid on there like a ring
Speaker 12: of fire. Like I feel like he's just good at
Speaker 12: playing depressed characters, people who are really really struggling, And
Speaker 12: so to put that here, I think it's such a
Speaker 12: It's kind of a juxtaposition in a way because going
Speaker 12: into this I kind of expected that obviously, Like with
Speaker 12: like ten minutes, I kind of knew where this movie
Speaker 12: was going. But when I before ever seen it, I
Speaker 12: kind of assumed, like, oh, yeah, the final fight is
Speaker 12: gonna be like the two big macho dude bro testosterone
Speaker 12: battles and they're just gonna be doing some big, huge fight.
Speaker 12: But it's not that at all, because that's not who
Speaker 12: Communist as a character. He's kind of a scrawny, weakling
Speaker 12: sort of type who's more about the mental game and
Speaker 12: the power than it is like the physical, Like he
Speaker 12: has no aspiration for that, and like his only way
Speaker 12: that he's ever gonna go into a fight is after
Speaker 12: he has unfairly poisoned his opponent beforehand and just be
Speaker 12: like overconfident. So I found the character like just super
Speaker 12: duper compelling and he's kind of shown as like the
Speaker 12: kind of classic Braddy Prince type character who always gets
Speaker 12: what he wants and when he doesn't, he just lashes out,
Speaker 12: such as lashing out to the point of to throw
Speaker 12: in a tantrument killing his dad. Obviously, that's kind of
Speaker 12: peak tantrum mode that you can go into. But the
Speaker 12: other things too, like just when he's in the I guess,
Speaker 12: like the Philosopher's circle square sort of thing, and the
Speaker 12: other people on the Senate are kind of questioning his
Speaker 12: decisions and he kind of just storms out of there
Speaker 12: and then he goes nuclear with it and just decides
Speaker 12: to completely shut them down in general and just go
Speaker 12: full in on this like colisseum and that's like he's
Speaker 12: gonna be his legacy. So yeah, I found him like
Speaker 12: a very multi sided character. I want to ask you
Speaker 12: guys about like what happens at the end, but I
Speaker 12: guess we can first get Taylor's thoughts just on this
Speaker 12: character overall.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: He's just downfall into this sense of madness and distrust
Speaker 3: of everything and everyone is.
Speaker 11: It's quite a quite a trek.
Speaker 3: And while he's definitely disturbed from the get go, because
Speaker 3: he shows up late to the war and he's got
Speaker 3: all these expectations and whatnot. The moment he kills his father,
Speaker 3: you know, like, Okay, this guy's statistically just messed up.
Speaker 3: And so I thought it was interesting, Like you guys mentioned,
Speaker 3: he's in that Senate room and the senate's calling him out,
Speaker 3: and he just thinks, oh, why am I gonna help
Speaker 3: protect the people and we'll look after this plague situation.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna put on a series of games and
Speaker 3: have the people fall in love with me, which does work,
Speaker 3: but it backfires obviously because of Maximus, and we'll get
Speaker 3: into that. But yeah, him as a character just utilizing
Speaker 3: his well, he feels safe with the older sister. But
Speaker 3: his older sister I would say, was you using him
Speaker 3: to kind of protect her son? I feel like because
Speaker 3: that that's the only reason. I feel like she wouldn't
Speaker 3: necessarily concede to him making certain like advancements onto her.
Speaker 3: But I think it's up to interpretation. Really, wait, sorry,
Speaker 3: what was that she was because they sleep together, but
Speaker 3: she was only sleeping with him just to protect her son.
Speaker 12: I feel like I did not know they were sleeping together.
Speaker 13: I didn't get that either.
Speaker 11: You didn't get that at all.
Speaker 3: No, because even that even that during it later she's
Speaker 3: like he's like speaking to her, and he's.
Speaker 11: Like, oh, yeah, you will.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna even look at me in a bad way.
Speaker 3: You're gonna give me a son and all an air
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. So I took it
Speaker 3: as they were definitely intimate beforehand.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I I took like that's where they was gonna
Speaker 12: escalate too. And obviously when he like lays it down
Speaker 12: on the bed and like kisses her, I forget if
Speaker 12: he does kiss her like on the cheek or something
Speaker 12: like that. Yeah, and she's just like she just rolls
Speaker 12: a dark stiff yeah. Yeah, Like I think you're right
Speaker 12: here that like she would have, but I don't. I
Speaker 12: don't feel like it had it excelled to that point
Speaker 12: quite yet.
Speaker 13: At Yeah. I found like the dynamic of when he's
Speaker 13: first taking over really interesting because there's just so much
Speaker 13: tension amongst like everything on, like there is the change,
Speaker 13: and then obviously like the sister doesn't want him ruling,
Speaker 13: like like like she's almost like an inside double agent
Speaker 13: sort of situation, but like she still has to play
Speaker 13: along because she's terrified that to me, it seemed like
Speaker 13: she was terrified commtist was just gonna like murder Lucius
Speaker 13: because that's not his son, right, and then he wants
Speaker 13: a son with his sister that will be the new heir.
Speaker 13: He doesn't want Lucius to be the heir. That saw
Speaker 13: it just seemed like a lot of tension. Anytime that
Speaker 13: it was like comedis Lucius and the sister like it
Speaker 13: was it was just like a really and then obviously
Speaker 13: the scene when he's telling the tale on like he
Speaker 13: just knows about the betrayal, it's there. It's just oh,
Speaker 13: there's just so much thickness of tension in the air
Speaker 13: in those moments. But yeah, I didn't really take it
Speaker 13: that like it was just the thing that was happening.
Speaker 13: But like if that was the case, I would have
Speaker 13: believed you. But like it just seems like when she
Speaker 13: is just starfished on the bed, that's probably would have
Speaker 13: been the extent of the intimacy in those moments, But
Speaker 13: it just seemed like it was a thing that maybe
Speaker 13: it was coming, and like I don't know she she
Speaker 13: knew that it was eventually gonna be coming, but maybe
Speaker 13: I'm wrong.
Speaker 12: Like she's still she's still like to your point to
Speaker 12: the kind of just does whatever he wants for the
Speaker 12: most part, like that I forget what. I forget what.
Speaker 12: There's some other scene where it's kind of like nighttime
Speaker 12: and he asks her some question and she's like, go
Speaker 12: to bed. She just doesn't like f off pretty much.
Speaker 12: So I think she she know she has that like
Speaker 12: sibling like boundary, but like she is right on the
Speaker 12: edge of that boundary and like trying to keep it
Speaker 12: enforced the whole time. But even like, yeah, that I
Speaker 12: think it's during that scene on the bed, or maybe
Speaker 12: it's later when when he's kind of telling that bedtime
Speaker 12: story to Lucius and then he's like obviously telling her
Speaker 12: that he's onto her with the coup and then that's happening.
Speaker 12: But I thought the line that was really powerful was
Speaker 12: that he's talking about how he's like father always said
Speaker 12: that life is a frightful dream. That line like really
Speaker 12: stuck me.
Speaker 11: One.
Speaker 12: It's like just him confirming that he has depression that
Speaker 12: he lives in like a frightful dream, but also that
Speaker 12: he's like he's aware of this kind of thing. He
Speaker 12: realized that there's issues.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 12: It's like it means that he's his father is still
Speaker 12: just in his mind constantly and still in his head
Speaker 12: even though he's he's killed him. But then I feel
Speaker 12: like that just shows how the lack of empathy that
Speaker 12: this character has because life is a frightful dream, Like
Speaker 12: he has all these issues, yet he's like knowingly doing
Speaker 12: this very same thing to his sister, Like I feel
Speaker 12: like there's nobody he can't read that she doesn't want
Speaker 12: these things, but she only does it because she kind
Speaker 12: of feels like she has to. And he still like
Speaker 12: constantly presses her on these things to the point of
Speaker 12: that that bed scene, which is obviously like super duper uncomfortable,
Speaker 12: Like that is the frightful dream right there, and so
Speaker 12: he's just putting that onto the person that he like
Speaker 12: presumably loves the most, and it just goes to show
Speaker 12: how like fd up he is in the head.
Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, he excuse me.
Speaker 3: His uh, since that moment there where he kind of
Speaker 3: is pressing the kid Lucius and it's just kind of
Speaker 3: like trying to coax the truth out of his sister.
Speaker 3: It bothered me because it just he gets that extra
Speaker 3: win there, and I feel like he just he wins
Speaker 3: consistently as much as he's losing at the same time.
Speaker 3: But it's not like a proud, like great win. It's
Speaker 3: as I said, he's losing as he's winning. It's just
Speaker 3: such a it pisses me off. And so when he's
Speaker 3: when he's like trying to bait the sister and get
Speaker 3: her to tell her, tell her what's tell him what's
Speaker 3: going on, it's, uh, it sucks that that kind of
Speaker 3: steam rolls into just pulling apart this whole plan because
Speaker 3: that part of the story where it was turning into like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're going to have the Senator turning on communists and
Speaker 3: we're going to have Maximus breaking free, bring in with
Speaker 3: him his five thousand troops to take over Rome and
Speaker 3: basically just kill the emperor. I would have loved that,
Speaker 3: but that's not the story we got.
Speaker 10: We got again, just this.
Speaker 13: We're getting hyped where you're like, oh, we're gonna be
Speaker 13: taken over nice.
Speaker 3: I was getting hyped because he was like, all, ye,
Speaker 3: my men will follow me and we'll come back and
Speaker 3: we'll leave the army here in the Senate. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: we've never had an army come into the city of
Speaker 3: Rome before. I was like, oh, this is gonna be great.
Speaker 3: I can't wait. But then we got Maximus sneaking out
Speaker 3: and this guy ominously sitting on his horse like Maximus
Speaker 3: like he shouts it out and then gives him away
Speaker 3: Like that was oh yeah, it was kidding me.
Speaker 13: He wins again walking this guy. Yeah, just absolutely hate it.
Speaker 3: But when you see him in the arena at the end, though,
Speaker 3: it's it's neat to know that this isn't his first
Speaker 3: time fighting, right, he is a skilled fighter. We see
Speaker 3: him back at the beginning of the film when he's
Speaker 3: in the Germania camp. Basically he's taken on like four
Speaker 3: dudes at once and he's just like spin around fighting
Speaker 3: them off and whatnot.
Speaker 13: But like, come on, that isn't that just like the
Speaker 13: guards who are higher level. Yeah, say that he's a
Speaker 13: skilled fighter, like maybe he does the odd battle, but
Speaker 13: I think it's obviously he like doesn't have the experience.
Speaker 13: I was wondering, like, do you guys, I think that
Speaker 13: he wanted to die in the end, he does poison him,
Speaker 13: but I'd say he still does the fight.
Speaker 12: You don't think so?
Speaker 13: No, I think he just wanted like ultimate control and
Speaker 13: to have that legacy, like you just he really wanted
Speaker 13: to be remembered as like the ultimate like Caesar essentially,
Speaker 13: I feel like that was I don't know, you just
Speaker 13: seems so like because he is so like empathetic for
Speaker 13: like other people, he's just very like narcissistic and like
Speaker 13: his tendencies and it's just all about him and like
Speaker 13: the ego that comes with that. I feel like although
Speaker 13: he is very fragile like insecure, I feel like just
Speaker 13: some of the moves that he does like throughout the film,
Speaker 13: it just seems like, I he's very much a hurt person. Yeah,
Speaker 13: he's very depressed, so hurt people, hurt people, and I
Speaker 13: feel like that's what he really wants to do and
Speaker 13: like get some satisfaction out of that and just basically
Speaker 13: abusing his power and maybe to feel loved. But it's
Speaker 13: just like a thing that he's like he just doesn't
Speaker 13: understand the root cause on like how to actually get
Speaker 13: that admiration. That's that's just a key part of his
Speaker 13: flawed character. And but yeah, I don't think he was
Speaker 13: necessarily like looking for like it's like he's wearing like
Speaker 13: that nice white garb. It looks like something that you'd
Speaker 13: be buried in. Like I don't think that was his
Speaker 13: plan of like, I'm gonna die wearing this, but I
Speaker 13: don't know if you're gonna die, look out, you know,
Speaker 13: like better looks look pretty fly while you're doing it.
Speaker 3: But I mean that's where he gets his real taste
Speaker 3: of who's in control. Like he understands that, he knows that, Okay,
Speaker 3: he sees her, he's calling the shots.
Speaker 11: But when he's in the.
Speaker 3: Arena and he finds out that's it's Maxims who's the spaniard,
Speaker 3: which great fucking scene, Oh my god, and he's just
Speaker 3: ready to kill him, and the audience is like live, live,
Speaker 3: live live, and he can't.
Speaker 11: He can't.
Speaker 3: Right there, he's the most powerful man in Rome, but
Speaker 3: he can't go through with it because it'll just be
Speaker 3: bad news.
Speaker 11: So he doesn't do it.
Speaker 3: And I think that scene kind of adds to the
Speaker 3: ending where if he beats Maximus and he's at the
Speaker 3: end in the arena, then the audience is going to.
Speaker 11: Be like like Caesar, Caesar, Caesar, like kill, kill, kill.
Speaker 3: And so he's gonna be able to take in all
Speaker 3: of that and have what Maximus had. And I think
Speaker 3: he's very jealous of Maximus obviously because he calls him
Speaker 3: brother and all that stuff.
Speaker 12: So yeah, jealous of the fathers love, he is jealous
Speaker 12: of the sisters love. He's jealous of the people's love.
Speaker 12: I mean just every yeah, and Maximus is everything that
Speaker 12: he wants.
Speaker 13: I loved pretty much all the sequences when he's in
Speaker 13: the coliseum and like he he thinks that everyone's there
Speaker 13: for like him, but it's just like the Maximus Show,
Speaker 13: and he's just like he's just so sour, and after
Speaker 13: he wins, he's just like whining to his his his
Speaker 13: compatriot in the in his bedroom chain chambers. Later on,
Speaker 13: it's like they love him.
Speaker 12: I can't just kill him off, Like.
Speaker 13: He's just so whiny, like that little child. One of
Speaker 13: my favorite actual scenes with him. It's a pretty minor scene,
Speaker 13: but I because he does make like a lot of
Speaker 13: these like power moves to try and like shut down
Speaker 13: what's going on. Like obviously he figures out the plan
Speaker 13: of like overthrowing, like the coup that was going to
Speaker 13: be planned. He obviously figures that out and puts a
Speaker 13: stop to it. Like he does make these power moves.
Speaker 13: But I just loved how like throughout the whole film,
Speaker 13: because he is just this like very privileged individual that's
Speaker 13: lived his whole life like in this castle. Like he's
Speaker 13: never like actually anywhere near the action until the end
Speaker 13: of the movie when he when he dies, Like he's
Speaker 13: nowhere near the action when the big battle happens. At
Speaker 13: the beginning of the film, you know, he's riding in
Speaker 13: the stage coach with his sister when like the Knights
Speaker 13: of the of the are the raids that are going on.
Speaker 13: Like the next scene like after that happens, he like
Speaker 13: is in his bedchambers wearing pj's and he has like
Speaker 13: this massive BedHead, like he just slept for ten hours
Speaker 13: and it was the best sleep of his life. And
Speaker 13: he's just like did it?
Speaker 5: Did it work?
Speaker 13: Like he's just asking his his his buddy, like I
Speaker 13: just loved how again, Like it shows like this horrific
Speaker 13: like murders that are going on, like just all these
Speaker 13: like betrayals that that are happening. You have the guy
Speaker 13: that owns Maximus, the guy that's been helping out this
Speaker 13: whole time, you know, like he gets murdered in that
Speaker 13: sequence and then and then we jump over to like
Speaker 13: the Emperor's chambers and he's just having the best sleep
Speaker 13: of his life. So I just loved all the moments
Speaker 13: that were shown of like really intense bloodshed and then
Speaker 13: you know the guy in his ivory tower, like eating
Speaker 13: his grapes and just like no callouses on his hands,
Speaker 13: like he's just he's just so separated from it. So I,
Speaker 13: I don't know, I just love the way that they're
Speaker 13: able to show those moments, And to me, it was
Speaker 13: just such a like a start contrast of of the
Speaker 13: two characters again, like a big juxtaposition of like what's
Speaker 13: actual life like in that era. And they even mention
Speaker 13: it right like when he first takes over the role
Speaker 13: and he's in the Senate and he's talking about like
Speaker 13: all these things that he wants to do for the people,
Speaker 13: bring like health like it's not healthcare back then, but
Speaker 13: essentially like help out the sick, and then the Senate
Speaker 13: people are like, have you ever actually seen like a
Speaker 13: sick person before? Like have you ever Like you're just
Speaker 13: so like warped in your perception of what reality is
Speaker 13: like on like the streets for the people of Rome,
Speaker 13: and like you're just saying all these things that you
Speaker 13: think is gonna like you know, all of the aqueducts
Speaker 13: will be wine and everyone's just gonna be happy and
Speaker 13: loving each other. It's like that is just so warped
Speaker 13: into store tonight. I just feel like throughout the whole
Speaker 13: film they were able to like really showcase those moments
Speaker 13: of showing how disconnected he is with the reality of
Speaker 13: what's going on, and like even the people in the Senate,
Speaker 13: I'm sure are like completely separated from the realities that
Speaker 13: we're going on, but even they have a more like
Speaker 13: realistic understanding of it. But I don't know, I was
Speaker 13: kind of rambling there, but I just I really loved though,
Speaker 13: Like because I'm viewing it now, like years later, I
Speaker 13: feel like I just didn't even notice any of those
Speaker 13: scenes I just mentioned like until now, so it was
Speaker 13: like I was watching on a brand new movie again
Speaker 13: and I just I really really liked it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it goes to show that, like I
Speaker 12: don't know how old his character is supposed to be
Speaker 12: in this, but like clearly he's had enough time to
Speaker 12: start learning some of these things from his father, but
Speaker 12: instead of doing that, he was just fucking around doing
Speaker 12: other stuff. And it's not just that Maximus is a
Speaker 12: stronger fighter, like is the reason why Marcus Aurellius wanted
Speaker 12: to hand over the crown to him is because of
Speaker 12: like all this other stuff as well, And yeah, he
Speaker 12: just had no he had no, I guess, motivation to
Speaker 12: like learn how to do those things or be better
Speaker 12: at the political side of it. One one scene that
Speaker 12: I think is fantastic just in the way, well in
Speaker 12: the dialogue and then like the way it's shot specifically,
Speaker 12: is after he's caught on to the coup that's gonna happen,
Speaker 12: he has he's talking to like his general or his
Speaker 12: right hand man, some guy, and he's talking about like
Speaker 12: what's gonna happen to Lucius and Lucilla and Lucilla now
Speaker 12: that they've now that he's caught onto it, and like
Speaker 12: really messed up stuff that he's describing what he's gonna
Speaker 12: do to his sister and her son. And then like
Speaker 12: the camera just pans over and like she's just been
Speaker 12: there the whole time listening to him explain all this stuff.
Speaker 12: When I thought or it seems like a more of
Speaker 12: a private conversation he's having with like the troops, I
Speaker 12: thought that that scene was like chilling. It's like, oh
Speaker 12: my god, this guy is so effed up. I guess
Speaker 12: that leads to a question I had, which is, how
Speaker 12: exactly does he catch onto the coup because I know
Speaker 12: he's suspicious of her because she's been out later than
Speaker 12: he expects, But I couldn't tell if there was also
Speaker 12: like he had got a tip from Lucius, who wasn't
Speaker 12: maybe sure of everything that was going on. He was
Speaker 12: just telling his uncle stuff and that's how he got
Speaker 12: a hint. But I don't know my missing something there?
Speaker 12: Is it just the sister and that suspicion because it
Speaker 12: almost seemed like too smart of a deduction based on
Speaker 12: what we've seen from that character to that point.
Speaker 13: I definitely took it like he just has spies that
Speaker 13: like follow people everywhere, and okay.
Speaker 12: So he has people that actually care about him more
Speaker 12: than Rome or.
Speaker 13: Maximia on the payroll. I guess, yeah, there's definitely those
Speaker 13: individuals that like money over it, but they definitely could
Speaker 13: have shown I think a little bit more of like
Speaker 13: how he found that out. I don't know. I just
Speaker 13: I did find like even on this viewing, I was like,
Speaker 13: did I miss a scene like where they explain that,
Speaker 13: But I don't. Yeah, I guess I guess he just
Speaker 13: there's many eyes, you know, there's eyes and ears all
Speaker 13: over Rome, and some of them own is on his payroll.
Speaker 13: But that's what I took it. And Taylor is another reason.
Speaker 3: No, I think that's pretty much it because he he
Speaker 3: was pretty spot on with knowing this senator is a
Speaker 3: part of this, this plan, this senator practice.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I mean you have to have spies to know that.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, because otherwise how how would they know?
Speaker 3: The only ones that were present in those meeting chambers
Speaker 3: were yeah, Maximus, and then the Senator, and then the
Speaker 3: sister and then I guess the gladiator owner. But I
Speaker 3: mean he obviously died a hero. He wasn't going down
Speaker 3: with commonists.
Speaker 13: So proximal, proximo, proximal.
Speaker 12: He's cool. Yeah, yeah, since we were kind of just
Speaker 12: talking about the sister a little bit. Uh. For the
Speaker 12: most part, I think the character is really well done.
Speaker 12: Good acting and all that, and she is able to
Speaker 12: bring some gravitas in terms of what you're saying, Kirk,
Speaker 12: like being the double agent and the acting to you know,
Speaker 12: show those those different the parts that she's hiding, was
Speaker 12: all really good. My one beef with the character was
Speaker 12: I thought the kind of love element between her and Maximus.
Speaker 12: It was really cheesy. It was really forced, and it
Speaker 12: was also very just like male director, male gayzy kind
Speaker 12: of thing of like, oh, of course, like the pretty
Speaker 12: queen has to kiss our main hero guy. Because I
Speaker 12: just felt like it pacing wise, it it didn't really
Speaker 12: make sense. I understand why she would look up to
Speaker 12: him and think he's he's hot and a cool badass
Speaker 12: and all that, and like they've had this pass which
Speaker 12: they allude to many times. But I think from his perspective,
Speaker 12: that's where it didn't really make any sense. Like he's
Speaker 12: still like days, maybe it's been weeks at this point,
Speaker 12: it's hard to say, but he's still like hot off
Speaker 12: the murder of his wife, and like he's doing all
Speaker 12: this for her, for his son, and like for the
Speaker 12: king and for Rome and all this, and I just
Speaker 12: feel like to throw in this weird love storyline where
Speaker 12: they kiss every once in a while. It was just
Speaker 12: it was really forced. I did not like that whatsoever.
Speaker 12: I think it maybe makes a bit more sense from
Speaker 12: her perspective, but even then I don't think it makes
Speaker 12: a ton of sense. So I just I just don't
Speaker 12: think it was a necessary addition. Here.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I somewatould agree with you. I feel like it
Speaker 13: would have just made sense of like that era of
Speaker 13: everyone's just fucking everyone and like it like it's just
Speaker 13: there's just so many unfaithfulness I think going on like
Speaker 13: in this era, especially just like wartime generals away from
Speaker 13: your family for that long, but it seemed like the
Speaker 13: focus of the story, like it just was so unnecessary
Speaker 13: for them to like have those moments. I feel like
Speaker 13: my defense in those scenes, for like from Lucilla's perspective
Speaker 13: is like she's just so like feeling trapped in her tower,
Speaker 13: you know, like like scared of what's gonna happen with
Speaker 13: her son, with her brother and all these situations, and
Speaker 13: like this individual Maximus, that it's just showing the best
Speaker 13: qualities that you would want from like a Roman individual,
Speaker 13: and like she very much seems like she took her
Speaker 13: father's teachings like to heart and like just what Rome
Speaker 13: should be, and it seems like she's like genuine with
Speaker 13: all those feelings, Like it's like we believe in Rome,
Speaker 13: not just the individual of who's running it. And I
Speaker 13: think from her perspective, seeing someone like Maximus that's just
Speaker 13: like basically rising from the ashes like a phoenix and
Speaker 13: like putting an end to the Commutist's reign from like
Speaker 13: just what he's doing in the pits after losing all
Speaker 13: his family. Like it's just like she's so admiring those qualities,
Speaker 13: and then in those moments, maybe she's feeling like just
Speaker 13: trapped and this is her savior, and it would make
Speaker 13: sense why she would want to just be in love
Speaker 13: with this individual. It's almost like a oh my gosh,
Speaker 13: what's her name? What's uh, what's the king of Rohan's
Speaker 13: nieces name? Oh my gosh, Aoin it's like the Aowen
Speaker 13: or Ara Gordon, Like it's just like a perfect man,
Speaker 13: perfect individual of just like he's such a leader and
Speaker 13: like all these qualities. I just I love this individual.
Speaker 13: And then it's just like it's actually happening and she
Speaker 13: believes so like I don't know, I feel like that's
Speaker 13: in my mind, but like in that one moment, like
Speaker 13: have like one kiss in the entire scene or sorry,
Speaker 13: the entire movie, and then it's just like leave it there.
Speaker 13: It did seem strange, like even early on when they
Speaker 13: had like some romantic tension, like I didn't really need
Speaker 13: the historic like relationship that they had. It was more
Speaker 13: so just like what the individual's representing.
Speaker 12: And I could tell if the purpose of that, like
Speaker 12: because I felt like they were kind of hinting that
Speaker 12: that that that Lucius could be Maximus's son. Yeah, but
Speaker 12: that never really gets like confirmed, right or like maybe
Speaker 12: has been for the sequel. And that's because I think
Speaker 12: Lucius is like one of the main guys in the sequel, right,
Speaker 12: So I I don't know, like, what do you do?
Speaker 12: You guys have a prediction there, like is that his son? Yes?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 13: Maybe, so I could see it being the case. I
Speaker 13: hope it's not, though, Like I would have liked the
Speaker 13: story more that they just they just had their own children.
Speaker 12: It's like a weird thing to not like confirm in
Speaker 12: the movie if they weren't doing.
Speaker 13: That, and I'm sure it's around it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, And like I don't know if this movie was
Speaker 12: a box office success, but if they were like doing
Speaker 12: sequel bait kind of stuff and it was a success, well,
Speaker 12: they didn't make the sequel until twenty years later, so
Speaker 12: twenty five years later pretty much. Yeah, Taylor, what's your theory? Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, I I honestly don't think that they were at
Speaker 3: all thinking of a sequel for this, and so the
Speaker 3: idea that they're kind of building off like well, let's say, okay, hypothetically,
Speaker 3: because I don't know for sure if this is the
Speaker 3: Sun and they're building off of a story of this
Speaker 3: being the son of both Maximus and that uh.
Speaker 11: And Caesar sister Silla Lucilla. Yes, I I don't know.
Speaker 11: I don't see it. I took it as watched this movie.
Speaker 11: They had a.
Speaker 3: Relationship, they went their separate ways, they had kids with
Speaker 3: other people, and then you know, so forth here we are.
Speaker 3: So I don't I don't really prescribe to the idea
Speaker 3: that yes, Lucius is his son.
Speaker 11: I just think it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, it'll be very weird if the
Speaker 3: sequel is like, yeah, this is Lucius and then Lucius
Speaker 3: wears Maximus's armors, like yeah, your father was Maximus. It's like, ah, well,
Speaker 3: they're just reckconning.
Speaker 13: I feel a little bit.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I hope they don't be like, oh, yeah, people love
Speaker 12: this movie and love Maximus as a character, so we
Speaker 12: want to make like his offspring part of this movie.
Speaker 12: Like I don't think people would care about that, you know,
Speaker 12: they just want like a cool, new, interesting story that
Speaker 12: is still following in the events and like the world
Speaker 12: that we set up here. But I don't think we
Speaker 12: need like to have his son in there for people
Speaker 12: to care.
Speaker 13: Definitely not Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, it's not pulling me.
Speaker 13: In, me out. Actually got him out of there.
Speaker 3: Well you you mentioned, you know, back in this time
Speaker 3: people having all their relationships and stuff like that, and
Speaker 3: I just think that I don't even know where I
Speaker 3: was going. I just I was gonna steer that into
Speaker 3: the men being gladiators and fighting in the arena and
Speaker 3: all that, but didn't make any sense at all.
Speaker 13: That's great transition we'll get of infidelity.
Speaker 11: Let's get into the gladiators.
Speaker 3: You wanted to talk about the fighting, right, Dylan, some
Speaker 3: of the fight stuff that was going on.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think we definitely should because that's definitely a
Speaker 12: big i'd say selling point of these movies is the
Speaker 12: big gladiatorial battles. I think for the most part, they did.
Speaker 12: They did work, and I like them. I like the
Speaker 12: different set pieces. I like the different setups like you have,
Speaker 12: like the Battle of the Fall of Carthage. I think
Speaker 12: that was kind of a fun setting thing. I think
Speaker 12: for me, it was mostly just the whoever was holding
Speaker 12: that damn camera. I was not a big fan of
Speaker 12: the way a lot of these things were shot. I
Speaker 12: just felt like the camera was often very zoomed in,
Speaker 12: like I'm looking at Maximus' back and like his arm
Speaker 12: little bit a lot of shaky cam, which you know,
Speaker 12: if you've ever listened to Geekers for you know, I
Speaker 12: fucking hate shaky cam in general. But the mix of
Speaker 12: like a lot of zooms in, a lot of shaky cam,
Speaker 12: and I just feel like a lot of quick cuts
Speaker 12: as well that it made it like for certain battles
Speaker 12: like I forget his name's like Titus or Titan, you know,
Speaker 12: like the he's never lost a battle that bring in
Speaker 12: that big guy. I like just the way that that
Speaker 12: battle was cut. I couldn't like follow the flow of
Speaker 12: it as like an actual battle with momentum. It just
Speaker 12: felt like, Okay, here's one quick sequence for like five seconds,
Speaker 12: and then like it could be like a minute later,
Speaker 12: here's like another part of the fight, and we're kind
Speaker 12: of just stitching it all together. So I just wanted
Speaker 12: a bit more cohesion. I think some of the battles
Speaker 12: are able to achieve that. And then lastly, and this
Speaker 12: is one of the things that's just like, Okay, the
Speaker 12: movie hasn't aged amazingly well. Is like the really cheesy
Speaker 12: slow mo, which I'm sure like so fucking badass in
Speaker 12: the year two thousand, but it just looks so bad today.
Speaker 12: And so the combination of the shaky cam, the SloMo,
Speaker 12: and like the weird zoom ins it. I think some
Speaker 12: of the fights, particularly the more intimate ones, I think
Speaker 12: I wanted a bit more, But I think generally the
Speaker 12: big set PC ones like the one where like all
Speaker 12: the all of them are huddled together with their shield
Speaker 12: around and like they got the chariots going around that
Speaker 12: fight is really great for the most part, and there
Speaker 12: are other highlights with like individual moments, but I think overall,
Speaker 12: I just wanted someone else holding holding that camera, or
Speaker 12: like maybe a different editor, like picking the different shots
Speaker 12: that were a bit more that are a little bit better.
Speaker 12: So I'm curious to see what that looks like in
Speaker 12: the sequel years. Obviously the same director, but I imagine
Speaker 12: it's maybe a different cinematographer, different editors and things. I
Speaker 12: know there's a lot of different people behind the scenes,
Speaker 12: like Ridley Scott's obviously back, but that seems like about it,
Speaker 12: and even a couple actors. But anyway, Yeah, that was
Speaker 12: that was kind of my overall thoughts of the battles.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I I feel like this time around that was
Speaker 13: actually like the lowest point of the movie for me.
Speaker 13: Was like the actual combat sequences. I like the setup
Speaker 13: of the combat and the lead up to it. I
Speaker 13: like when they're like the first time they're going out
Speaker 13: there and the guy's just pissing his pants, is pissing
Speaker 13: his tuning right in front of Maximus and.
Speaker 12: Just like.
Speaker 13: Just like putting us on ground level of like in
Speaker 13: the trenches coming out and you don't even know what
Speaker 13: the fuck you're gonna see. And like when the first
Speaker 13: time they go into the into the coliseum and maxims like,
Speaker 13: no matter what's out there, just stick together, Like it
Speaker 13: could be fucking unicorns flying from the skies, Like no
Speaker 13: matter what it is, let's just stick together and we'll
Speaker 13: be better together. And they go out there's like lions
Speaker 13: and there's there's just like just crazy stuff that you
Speaker 13: wouldn't even expect to see on a regular battlefield. And
Speaker 13: I like that aspect of it. But when we actually
Speaker 13: get down to like you said, when big giant man
Speaker 13: Titus comes out, it like I that scene was so
Speaker 13: much lesser than I remember it being. And I remember
Speaker 13: just loving the look of Titus when he's got like
Speaker 13: the mask with the ear drop thing or the ear
Speaker 13: drop the eye drop.
Speaker 12: Seem as Juggernaut from X three.
Speaker 13: That's fair great physique, you know, like like it just
Speaker 13: a big build up moment, but when they're actually clashy
Speaker 13: and it's just like, okay, there's there's not much to this.
Speaker 13: I'd rather go see Dune part two, you know, see
Speaker 13: Paula Tred's or someone else. I can't remember his name.
Speaker 13: I can't remember the ball guy's name right now. It's
Speaker 13: been too long, so see that. But like, I don't know,
Speaker 13: it's just the hand to hand was a little bit
Speaker 13: lesser than I remember being. And even in like the
Speaker 13: early portions of the movie when we're seeing the battle
Speaker 13: going on, I like the scale of it, but like
Speaker 13: the hand to hand combat is nothing really you know.
Speaker 12: Do you mean like the sorry, the first battle like
Speaker 12: a Germania like the Woods battle. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 13: Like when Marcus Aureli is still alive, like when it's
Speaker 13: actually like the full line.
Speaker 12: I think I was very with that part. I was
Speaker 12: just so anytime we watched like an older movie and like,
Speaker 12: oh yeah, they're actual horses here and there's like actually
Speaker 12: three hundred actors and not just like CGI stuff. That's
Speaker 12: that's what was like getting me. It was like, ah, look,
Speaker 12: it's great to have like what feels like a very authentic, yeah,
Speaker 12: tribute to like I don't know what the scale of
Speaker 12: something like this could actually look like.
Speaker 13: You got the dog in there too. It's like, man,
Speaker 13: it's impressive, like real dog, real horses, like running tigers,
Speaker 13: so dangerous.
Speaker 12: Butler or what's his name, real Gerard Butler.
Speaker 13: Yeah, he donated some of his splash. But yeah, overall
Speaker 13: combat a little bit, a little bit lesser, but yeah,
Speaker 13: just interesting, how like you age like a movie. In
Speaker 13: my mind, this was such an action movie and now
Speaker 13: it's like not even about that, Like it's about like
Speaker 13: the philosophical ideas and just the struggle of what, you know,
Speaker 13: what makes a man like important? So yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 3: You mentioned there that line when Russell Crow is like, oh,
Speaker 3: whatever comes, whatever's the other side of that gate, like
Speaker 3: stand together? I was just thinking it reminds me of
Speaker 3: of h Gandalf when he's in ministeriis and totally he's like,
Speaker 3: whatever comes to that.
Speaker 11: Gate, you'll stand your crowd.
Speaker 12: This is.
Speaker 11: Cave troll.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just such a like god damn, Like
Speaker 3: I don't know, the just the courage.
Speaker 11: And you have this one guy who's like what does
Speaker 11: he say? Russell Crowe?
Speaker 3: He's like, how many of you have military experience? And
Speaker 3: they all like look at him, like what, and then
Speaker 3: he just like rallies them together and he's like stand together,
Speaker 3: shields up, and he's given them orders. But then you
Speaker 3: got like the one, two, maybe three random fucos that are.
Speaker 11: Off on their own, like you guys are idiots? What
Speaker 11: are you doing out there?
Speaker 12: And the show when the one lady on the cherryt
Speaker 12: gets like cut in half, it's very iconic, two thousands practical,
Speaker 12: so it like goes for her. Uh yeah, she's like
Speaker 12: still as a board as she like tumbles to the ground.
Speaker 12: In two parts, I really liked the I think zucker
Speaker 12: Bar is the name of the place that Proximo that's
Speaker 12: where his his ring is, his colosseum. I really like
Speaker 12: that match where a lot they were all kind of
Speaker 12: strapped together with another member, and that's where you have
Speaker 12: Jubat Giant Huntshu's character, which is like, why is this
Speaker 12: guy just in every single movie He's like everywhere, which
Speaker 12: I which I love. But I really liked their dynamic
Speaker 12: and I thought that was like that led to some
Speaker 12: really fun choreography of their chain together and they at
Speaker 12: one point they like knocked the guy over by just
Speaker 12: bringing the chain into him. And then like the classic uh,
Speaker 12: the one like huge guy is paired with that the
Speaker 12: guy who was like pissing himself, and he just like
Speaker 12: he gots he gets taken up pretty quick and then
Speaker 12: he just like chops his hand off and then he
Speaker 12: like uses his hand it's like a flail pretty much.
Speaker 12: So I thought that that fight just led to some
Speaker 12: really fun uh choreography in general, because it was a
Speaker 12: more like a restrained sort of fight and there was,
Speaker 12: you know, more than two people, So I thought that
Speaker 12: one was like a highlight as well. Yeah, totally, And yeah,
Speaker 12: I thought I thought that element of like Proximo, I
Speaker 12: really liked Proximo, and I couldn't really articulate why in
Speaker 12: the way I can articulate why I like these other
Speaker 12: characters so much. Just somebody about the performance. I thought
Speaker 12: was really good and I liked that he was kind
Speaker 12: of that mentor and he obviously has a lot of respect.
Speaker 12: He sees what Maximus is capable of, but he kind
Speaker 12: of encourages him to play up the crowd angle of
Speaker 12: it and not just go for the win. Of of
Speaker 12: course he got a win or else you're just dead,
Speaker 12: but to do both and that's why he was considered
Speaker 12: such a great fighter back in the day when he
Speaker 12: was still doing it. So, yeah, I like Proximal. He's
Speaker 12: a character. He was a fun, fun side character.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I really like Proximally. I feel like he's I
Speaker 13: feel like he's more like layered than he seems as well, right,
Speaker 13: because he's like when you first meet him, he's just
Speaker 13: like he's just a slave owner, Like he just deals
Speaker 13: with people and like people's currency, and like it's just
Speaker 13: like he doesn't care if they liver or as long
Speaker 13: as they make a money. Well, I guess he wants
Speaker 13: them to live to make money, but if they are
Speaker 13: to die, you know, go out dramatically for the for
Speaker 13: the show, and that's how it starts. And then it
Speaker 13: seems like, Okay, he's just he's just with like Maximus
Speaker 13: because he's making a money and he's all hype, you know,
Speaker 13: he's like, oh man, I really score, Like this guy's
Speaker 13: gonna make me so much dough. And it seems like
Speaker 13: that is the main focus for like a good portion
Speaker 13: of the relationship until it gets to the point and
Speaker 13: and you know, like he has given him good lessons
Speaker 13: of like it's not just about being the best fighter,
Speaker 13: like I wasn't the best fighter. You gotta win the crowd,
Speaker 13: and the crowd like those are the ones that literally
Speaker 13: like save you live or die right when theyre when
Speaker 13: it goes to uh comtists with the with the thumbs,
Speaker 13: you know, shouts out to Emma Frosts and her thumbs.
Speaker 13: But in this case, it's it's depending on what the
Speaker 13: crowd says is what lives or dies. So like, I
Speaker 13: just I really liked his lessons there. But then it
Speaker 13: gets to a point when he starts to kind of
Speaker 13: realize of like what's going on and like what's like
Speaker 13: and then of course Maximus kind of tells him the
Speaker 13: plan there and very easily, like he could have just
Speaker 13: traded him in, right, Like okay, well, I'm probably gonna
Speaker 13: get a bounty if I just like reveal this to
Speaker 13: comtists or whatever. But it still seems like he, in
Speaker 13: the back of his mind believes in like those those
Speaker 13: Roman ideals and like and like the true idea of
Speaker 13: what Rome is. And maybe it's just because he's forgotten
Speaker 13: about it because he's been so caught up and just
Speaker 13: his day to day job of being, you know, like
Speaker 13: a slave owner. And I I just feel like Maximus
Speaker 13: sparked something inside of him and kind of like reawoke
Speaker 13: in that gladiator in him, Like like it's very courageous
Speaker 13: of what he did, even though he wasn't in the pit.
Speaker 13: It's just being the guy that's like, you know what,
Speaker 13: I'm gonna let you out of the gate here, Like
Speaker 13: I know I'm gonna die, but like that is the
Speaker 13: proper thing to do. And he and he holds like
Speaker 13: his his wooden sword that he won when when he
Speaker 13: became a free man, and it's just like he's proud
Speaker 13: dying that way. And even though he had all this
Speaker 13: bounty of money, I'm sure he had like different properties
Speaker 13: and he's a pretty plump guy, like he was eating
Speaker 13: well more so than other people that were alive in
Speaker 13: that time. But but like he still was just like, no,
Speaker 13: that is the proper thing to do. So I just
Speaker 13: love the evolution of the character on He's He's not
Speaker 13: like a main character by any means in the show,
Speaker 13: but he's a very important piece too, I think, just
Speaker 13: the overall puzzle of the story. So yeah, I really
Speaker 13: appreciate proximists a lot more on this viewing for sure.
Speaker 11: I'm gonna drop my thoughts after this quick.
Speaker 7: At break He's Ryan, He and I have a question
Speaker 7: for you. What do you do when you win?
Speaker 13: Like?
Speaker 7: Are you a fist pumper, a woo, a handclapper, a
Speaker 7: high fiver. If you want to hone in on those
Speaker 7: winning moves, check out Chumbuck Casino. Choose from hundreds of
Speaker 7: social casino style games for your chance to redeem serious
Speaker 7: cash prizes. There are new game releases weekly plus three
Speaker 7: daily bonuses, so don't wait start having the most fun
Speaker 7: ever at chumbacasino dot com.
Speaker 8: Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary VGW Group Ford.
Speaker 8: We're prohibited by Law eighteen plus. Terms and conditions apply.
Speaker 5: Black Friday is coming, And for the adults in your life.
Speaker 4: Who love the coolest toys, well there's something for them.
Speaker 5: This year too. Bartisian is the premiere craft cocktail.
Speaker 4: Maker that automatically makes more than sixty seasonal and classic
Speaker 4: cocktails each and out of thirty seconds at the push
Speaker 4: of a button. And right now Bartisian is having a
Speaker 4: huge sight wide sale. You can get one hundred dollars
Speaker 4: off any cocktail maker or cocktail maker bundle when you
Speaker 4: spend four hundred dollars or more so, if the cocktail
Speaker 4: lover in your life has been good or the right
Speaker 4: kind of bad, get them Botisian at the push of
Speaker 4: a button, make five quality Cosmopolitans, Martini's, Manhattans, and more,
Speaker 4: all in just thirty seconds, all for a hundred off
Speaker 4: amazing toys.
Speaker 5: I'm just putting kids.
Speaker 4: Get one hundred off of cocktail maker when you spend
Speaker 4: four hundred through cyber Monday visits Baptisian dot com slash cocktail.
Speaker 4: That's b A R T E s I a n
Speaker 4: dot com slash cocktail.
Speaker 9: Recently, a new client called me and started by saying,
Speaker 9: mister Morgan, I really need your help.
Speaker 10: But I'm just a nobody.
Speaker 9: Those words stunned me and I immediately called him back,
Speaker 9: and we're now helping him and his family after a
Speaker 9: terrible accident. I'm John Morgan and Morgan and Morgan. Everybody
Speaker 9: who comes to our firm at their time of need
Speaker 9: is a somebody. I grew up poor, but my grandmother
Speaker 9: was like a queen to us. At Morgan and Morgan.
Speaker 9: Our goal is to level the playing field for you
Speaker 9: and your family and your time of need. The insurance
Speaker 9: company has unlimited money and resources.
Speaker 10: You need a firm who.
Speaker 9: Can fight them toe to toe for right at thirty years,
Speaker 9: we have fought them at courtrooms throughout America.
Speaker 10: Our results speak for themselves.
Speaker 9: And always remember this, everybody is a somebody and nobody
Speaker 9: is a nobody. Visit for the People dot com to
Speaker 9: learn about our firm, Morgan and Morgan.
Speaker 14: For the people injured. Visit for the People dot com
Speaker 14: for an office near you.
Speaker 15: You can get lonely climbing Mam McKinley. So to entertain myself,
Speaker 15: I go to Chumpacasino dot com. At Chuma Casino, I
Speaker 15: can lay hundreds of online casino style games for free,
Speaker 15: like online slots, bingo, slingo and more.
Speaker 13: Plus I get a daily login bonus.
Speaker 15: It's just too bad that I'm here. I don't have
Speaker 15: anyone to share my excitement with.
Speaker 2: Jump live the Timba life anytime, anywhere, playing for free
Speaker 2: now at chumpacasino dot com room no necessary FORID look rehemitive,
Speaker 2: my lossy terms of conditions.
Speaker 4: Black Friday is coming, And for the adults in your
Speaker 4: life who love the coolest toys, well there's something for
Speaker 4: them this year too. Bartisian is the premiere craft cocktail
Speaker 4: maker that automatically makes more than sixty seasonal and classic
Speaker 4: cocktails each and ounther of thirty seconds at the push
Speaker 4: of a button. And right now, Bartisian is having a
Speaker 4: huge sight wide sale.
Speaker 5: You can get one hundred dollars off any cocktail maker
Speaker 5: or cocktail maker.
Speaker 4: Bundle when you spend four hundred dollars or more so,
Speaker 4: if the cocktail lover in your life has been good
Speaker 4: this year or the right kind of bad, get them
Speaker 4: Bartisian at the push of a button, make Bark quality Cosmopolitans, Martini's,
Speaker 4: Manhattan's and.
Speaker 5: More, all in just thirty seconds, all for a hundred off.
Speaker 4: Amazing toys aren't just for kids. Get one hundred off
Speaker 4: a cocktail maker when you spend four hundred. Through Cyber Monday,
Speaker 4: visit Bartsian dot com slash cocktail that's b ar t
Speaker 4: e sia N dot.
Speaker 9: Com slash cock Recently, a new client called me and
Speaker 9: started by saying, mister Morgan, I really need your help,
Speaker 9: but I'm just a nobody. Those words stunned me and
Speaker 9: I immediately called him back and we're now helping him
Speaker 9: and his family after a terrible accident.
Speaker 10: I'm John Morgan of Morgan and Morgan.
Speaker 9: Everybody who comes to our firm at their time of
Speaker 9: need is a somebody. I grew up poor, but my
Speaker 9: grandmother was like a queen to us at Morgan and Morgan.
Speaker 9: Our goal is to level the playing field for you
Speaker 9: and your family at your time of need. The insurance
Speaker 9: company has unlimited money and resources.
Speaker 10: You need a firm who.
Speaker 9: Can fight them toe to toe for right at thirty years,
Speaker 9: we have fought them in courtrooms throughout America. Our results
Speaker 9: speak for themselves, and always remember this, everybody is a
Speaker 9: somebody and nobody is a nobody. Visit for the People
Speaker 9: dot com to learn about our firm, Morgan and Morgan.
Speaker 14: For the people injured, Visit for the People dot com
Speaker 14: for an office.
Speaker 11: Near you, and we are back.
Speaker 3: Yes, Proximo is uh He's definitely a big transitioning character
Speaker 3: because I feel like when you first meet him, he's
Speaker 3: fighting with this other slave owner over it, just like
Speaker 3: what he owes money on direct.
Speaker 11: From the Mummy, guy from the Mummy. Yeah, yeah, hear.
Speaker 13: Did the Mummy come out too? Because it seemed like
Speaker 13: he went from one set to the other, like you look,
Speaker 13: the exact same age.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's good to see.
Speaker 11: Him in there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he he just goes from being this like money
Speaker 3: kind of like slaver guy, and after that he transitions
Speaker 3: into just like, you guys are all going to die
Speaker 3: and it's going to benefit me. But as you die,
Speaker 3: you're gonna just hear like clapping noises and stuff like that.
Speaker 11: You just you don't have to explain what that was like, Yeah,
Speaker 11: you just you.
Speaker 3: Don't like him at the start, but then he sees
Speaker 3: what Maximus is doing and thinks, Okay, well now they're
Speaker 3: doing this big assembly thing, and he just believes in Maximus,
Speaker 3: and I like how he's just you understand it. He
Speaker 3: was a gladiator himself, and he kind of he got
Speaker 3: out of the he got out of that world of fighting,
Speaker 3: but he earned his freedom and just when he's just
Speaker 3: he sells the scene when he's talking about how he
Speaker 3: was not directly like, didn't directly meet Caesar, which is again,
Speaker 3: Maximus is Caesar, but the Caesar like acknowledged him, I guess,
Speaker 3: or something like that. And it's just it was such
Speaker 3: a for him. This was like him meeting God. That
Speaker 3: was such an important moment of his life. And he
Speaker 3: was bestowed this wooden sword with his name on it.
Speaker 3: So just really really cool. And yeah, it's it's sad
Speaker 3: that he gets killed off at the the end there,
Speaker 3: but yeah, just a really really good character and I'm
Speaker 3: glad that he turned around and decided to help Maximus
Speaker 3: with his plan.
Speaker 12: Mhm. Did did anything stand out to you guys about
Speaker 12: the music of this movie?
Speaker 13: It felt, Uh, I've watched a lot of Daredevil between
Speaker 13: now and when I watched that, So I do remember though,
Speaker 13: watching this and thinking, yes, this reminds me of something
Speaker 13: very very familiar. What is it?
Speaker 11: What is it?
Speaker 12: You couldn't You couldn't place it in the moment where
Speaker 12: you're watching, is it? Taylor? Did it stand to Oh?
Speaker 11: No, I am out to lunch on this one.
Speaker 12: Okay, it's Pirates of the Caribbean. Baby, It is the
Speaker 12: theme of Pirates of the Caribbean minus like a note,
Speaker 12: And so I looked into this. This movie is composed composed,
Speaker 12: there's two composers, Lisa Gerard, not Gerard Bart but someone
Speaker 12: named Lisa Gerard, and Hans Zimmer is on here too,
Speaker 12: and then Pirates is Hans Zimmer. It's hard. I was
Speaker 12: looking into this a lot, and apparently Hans Zimmer like
Speaker 12: is partly responsible for like some of the Pirates music,
Speaker 12: but one of the things is that he wrote the theme.
Speaker 12: Apparently he wrote it just like in a night into
Speaker 12: like some crazy night and then he like sent it
Speaker 12: off to the main comp the Pirates movies and like
Speaker 12: kind of let him take credit. But like, Hans Zimmer
Speaker 12: actually wrote that, And so I was cackling. I'm like, man,
Speaker 12: the theme of this fucking movie is one note off
Speaker 12: of Pirates. It is the exact same He just copied
Speaker 12: his homework for Pirates, which is so funny because that
Speaker 12: is one of the most iconic like movie themes of
Speaker 12: all time, and the fact that it actually is kind
Speaker 12: of just ripping off one of his earlier scores I
Speaker 12: find hilarious. So that I was looking up, like, am
Speaker 12: I the only one who heard this or that other
Speaker 12: people hear it now, Like there's all sorts of Reddit
Speaker 12: threads and people talking about this and talking about how
Speaker 12: it happened. But it was just hilarious to me how
Speaker 12: similar it was. So yeah, what go back after this
Speaker 12: and on YouTube, just listen to the Pirates then listen
Speaker 12: to the that. I'm sure someone has a comparison video
Speaker 12: on YouTube. It is hilarious how close they are, like
Speaker 12: these same core notes of that theme is just yeah,
Speaker 12: one to one, It's freaking hilarious. So show just to
Speaker 12: Hans Zimmer, you know when you got it, You got it,
Speaker 12: when you wrote a good theme, use it again? Why not?
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm actually quite astounded by that. I was
Speaker 3: just I just did a quick google and I see
Speaker 3: a bunch of articles people like anyone noticed the two
Speaker 3: themes are very similar. That's hilarious. That blows my mind.
Speaker 12: Yeah, good stuff. I just have a couple other couple
Speaker 12: other points here for myself. One is I I really
Speaker 12: I really like the the way that they make the
Speaker 12: Colosseum almost like a character or like just the mythos
Speaker 12: around the Colosseum. I forget what the first shot that
Speaker 12: we see it as But one section I really liked
Speaker 12: is when I think it's colmonists like up in his
Speaker 12: up in his quarters, and he's like looking at a
Speaker 12: diorama of the Colosseum, and then that kind of like
Speaker 12: fades into a shot like a top down shot of
Speaker 12: the actual Colisseum, and just like seeing the scale, especially
Speaker 12: at that point we've we've seen Zuckerbar, We've seen Proximo's
Speaker 12: tiny little ring compared to the Colosseum. And then I
Speaker 12: think that we cut when we cut back to Maximus
Speaker 12: and Juba and their first time getting into the city
Speaker 12: and like looking up at this colsum and it's just
Speaker 12: like so huge, and getting it from like their perspective
Speaker 12: as like just a little guy looking up at this
Speaker 12: huge monument was really cool. So I thought that was
Speaker 12: I like this kind of cinematography around that. And then
Speaker 12: my last quick show here is I just love that
Speaker 12: sequence when they're about to execute Maximus after he has
Speaker 12: kind of gone against Calmunus's wishes, and you have that
Speaker 12: scene in the woods when they're going to take him out,
Speaker 12: and then of course he like gets out of his
Speaker 12: trap and starts battling, and then like the one guy
Speaker 12: that can't pull his sword out and he's like Frost
Speaker 12: sometimes it makes the blade stick. And I just love
Speaker 12: that line. It wasn't it just shows like how expert
Speaker 12: of a fighter it is that he would know that
Speaker 12: little detail and going into this battle and I'm sure
Speaker 12: when he's like walking out to the woods just planning,
Speaker 12: like how is this fight gonna go, he's like expecting
Speaker 12: that to happen. It just yeah, it's one of those
Speaker 12: things early on in the movie that shows you, yeah,
Speaker 12: he is just an outstanding fighter, like he is kind
Speaker 12: of top top notch. So I really like that section.
Speaker 11: Yeah that Oh go ahead, you go ahead.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say that that fight scene, yeah, after
Speaker 3: the post Frost moment. It just I don't know what
Speaker 3: it is with just sequences like that with flying swords
Speaker 3: just always gets me because.
Speaker 11: Like, what do you do?
Speaker 3: You got this big, like heavy piece of metal and
Speaker 3: it just it's a sound effect too. It's like when
Speaker 3: you see this fucking sword and yeah, it just impales you.
Speaker 3: It's like, God damn you just you're done. There's nothing,
Speaker 3: there's nothing you can do with that.
Speaker 13: I catch it, I just catch it, catch it by
Speaker 13: the blade.
Speaker 12: Wasn't that a shot and glad of your two trailers.
Speaker 12: Like someone throws a spear or shoots an arrow up
Speaker 12: at one of the guys in the box grabs it
Speaker 12: with his hand, right.
Speaker 13: You gotta put in your bow shoot it back. That's
Speaker 13: like the class very much. So uh yeah, No, Maximus
Speaker 13: was was fantastic. Didn't say a lot about them, but
Speaker 13: I feel like Crow was just really really great. Another
Speaker 13: scene that I really really love in this movie is
Speaker 13: like the first time that the Spaniard like wins in
Speaker 13: the in the you know, in the ring, and commonists
Speaker 13: like I must meet this man goes down there and
Speaker 13: you know, like they all get these rules like don't
Speaker 13: ever turn your back to the caesar, like it's basically
Speaker 13: life or death situation, and he just does not give
Speaker 13: a fuck. And like in that in that moment, like
Speaker 13: he picks up the arrowhead right like this is gonna
Speaker 13: be his assassination moment. Like in his mind, all he
Speaker 13: has to do is get up to commonists stab him
Speaker 13: in the throat. And honestly, if Lucius wasn't there, he
Speaker 13: probably would have done it. He probably would like if
Speaker 13: like if Lucius didn't come down right, Like that's kind
Speaker 13: of when he recoiled a little bit with the uh
Speaker 13: or not recoiled he maybe, yeah, got a lot of
Speaker 13: the rings quotes in my mind, I have no thief,
Speaker 13: but but yeah, like I feel like if Lucius didn't
Speaker 13: come down there, like he would have just shoved that
Speaker 13: right into the throat of Commonists and that would have
Speaker 13: been that he would have been murdered right then and there.
Speaker 13: But he would have just gone to his family and
Speaker 13: known that, you know, vengeance is complete. Like he took
Speaker 13: out Commonist, that was his goal. But by the end
Speaker 13: of the movie, like his goal and what he accomplishes
Speaker 13: is just so much more significant than just a revenge tale, right,
Speaker 13: Like he literally changes the entire outcome of like Roman
Speaker 13: life and moving forward, Like, like what happens if Commonist
Speaker 13: does just stay as the tyrannical ruler? Right he gets
Speaker 13: like five children from his sister. They're all looking fucked
Speaker 13: up because they're all ancestral children. But like he just
Speaker 13: like what could have happened, right for like the people
Speaker 13: living for yeah, Like literally, I mean he probably would
Speaker 13: have been.
Speaker 12: Like breakout and kill everyone.
Speaker 13: He probably would have been murdering in his throne room.
Speaker 13: I imagine just assassinating. I feel like that's the way
Speaker 13: a little lot of tyrannical rulers go. But yeah, I know,
Speaker 13: I I just really liked how that moment would have
Speaker 13: been the end of his tail, but like just holding
Speaker 13: back there or turning it, turning his back and like
Speaker 13: the immediate just like anger that comes out of commons,
Speaker 13: like how dare you even do that? And he takes
Speaker 13: off his helmet and then he just like straight up
Speaker 13: says like I'm this person, you know, I am the
Speaker 13: true Like uh, what does he say? A like follower
Speaker 13: of the one true ruler Marcus Aurelius, like right in
Speaker 13: his face, basically just discounting the legitimacy of the of
Speaker 13: the ruler right in front of him, the most significant
Speaker 13: person in the entire great city of Rome. And he's
Speaker 13: just like talking down to him. And Communists can't do
Speaker 13: anything because the people are just like, oh my god,
Speaker 13: this is like reality TV right now. Like imagine being
Speaker 13: a viewer, you know, like in that era, Like that's
Speaker 13: like hit reality TV right there.
Speaker 12: It's just you're just like imagining what's being said.
Speaker 3: I got the I got the quote here free Kirkland,
Speaker 3: because yeah, he turns around My name is Maximus Decimus Mridius,
Speaker 3: Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the
Speaker 3: Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true Emperor Marcus Aurelius,
Speaker 3: father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife,
Speaker 3: and I will have my vengeance in this Like.
Speaker 13: Holy fuck chills, chills, just as sure as the rock
Speaker 13: scot chills already. That's that's what I got when you're
Speaker 13: reading that. But yeah, I just love how intent that
Speaker 13: moment is. And then immediately after right like uh, communist leaves,
Speaker 13: it's like him whinying to one of his his his whoever,
Speaker 13: one of his people that listen to him, Like I
Speaker 13: can't kill him because I will not make a martyr
Speaker 13: out of him, Like he's just such a whiny brat
Speaker 13: in those scenes. But yeah, no, I just want to
Speaker 13: show that scene really really good.
Speaker 3: Uh interesting how because when you see the intro and
Speaker 3: the startup with Maximus and he's got his it looked
Speaker 3: like he was two in like sub general's like lieutenants
Speaker 3: working under him, but mainly just the one who becomes
Speaker 3: kind of a focus. That one who is the focus
Speaker 3: is the guy that kind of like after Aurelius's death.
Speaker 3: This one guy who you thought was Maximus's friend ends
Speaker 3: up just saying, okay, take his sword. You're not leaving, Like,
Speaker 3: take him out into the woods, walk him till sunlight
Speaker 3: or first light, and then execute him. And then he
Speaker 3: ends up becoming commonist is like right hand guy, like
Speaker 3: soldier I guess of the prematory and guards right. And
Speaker 3: it's funny how at the end he's the one too
Speaker 3: that just kind of like surper is against commonests when
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, I'm not giving you a so everyone.
Speaker 10: Sheathe your swords.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, I just thought it was interesting how
Speaker 3: his betrayal kind of turned around.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well said hell, yes, yeah, is there anything else
Speaker 12: you guys have or do you want me to drop
Speaker 12: some trivia on you? I got nothing left on my
Speaker 12: ancient tablet here.
Speaker 13: Yeah, no more scripture on my runs.
Speaker 11: Okay.
Speaker 3: So Oliver Reid he's the actor that played Proximo. He
Speaker 3: died three weeks before principal photography ended. Because Proximo was
Speaker 3: considered a key character, a clause in the movie's insurance
Speaker 3: contract would have allowed the filmmakers to reshoot all of
Speaker 3: his scenes with another actor. At the insurer's expense about
Speaker 3: twenty five million. However, most of the actors and crew
Speaker 3: were exhausted from the punishing schedule, and Sir Ridley Scott
Speaker 3: did not want to cut Reid from the movie. The
Speaker 3: script was rewritten and a body double and CGI we
Speaker 3: used to give Read's character a plausible resolution. Interesting, interesting, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3: The opening battle scene was filled in Bourne Woods, Surrey, England.
Speaker 3: The Royal forestryt Commission had originally slated the area for deforestation,
Speaker 3: so servidly Scott eagerly offered them his facilities to burn
Speaker 3: the woods to the ground, and the commission accepted.
Speaker 12: So wow, that is insane.
Speaker 13: Actually, that's wild.
Speaker 11: Yeah, practical effects.
Speaker 3: Most notably, there have been rumors Mel Gibson was offered
Speaker 3: the role Maximus uh and he had turned it down.
Speaker 3: Gibson says he was too old to play Maximus. Scott
Speaker 3: denies he was ever even offered the part. Sounds particularly
Speaker 3: also considered to play Maximus for Hugh Jackman and Antonio Banderaz.
Speaker 12: Jackman. Hugh Jackman, that's a multiverse. I'd like to see
Speaker 12: what we got here.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you alluded to this earlier. Kirkland Jack Gleeson
Speaker 3: who models his character Joffrey brath In in Game of Thrones.
Speaker 11: After Emperor comminas.
Speaker 13: Hey, there you go, similarities makes cooeah.
Speaker 3: Over the course the gladiatorial scenes, Russell Crowe lost all
Speaker 3: feeling in his right forefinger for two years after a
Speaker 3: sword fight. Aggravaden and Achilles tendon injury, broke a foot bone,
Speaker 3: cracked a hip bone, and popped a few bicep tendons
Speaker 3: out of their sockets.
Speaker 13: That's nothing what the Dragon Chrome crew has.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but you'll notice Comtists has no injury. Is classic walking?
Speaker 3: Yeah, gian Nina Facio Hope, I'm saying that right. Who
Speaker 3: played the wife of Maximus actually married Sir Ridley Scott
Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 13: The Boy years later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, This movie started shooting without a lock screenplay in place.
Speaker 3: According to Russell Crowe, the initial draft was so bad that,
Speaker 3: when he was approaching the lead role, not even the
Speaker 3: producer wanted to send him a copy, afraid that he
Speaker 3: wouldn't respond to it. Crowe was instead urged to meet
Speaker 3: with the director, Ridley Scott first, But unbeknownst to the producer,
Speaker 3: crow had already attained a copy of the script and
Speaker 3: disliked it. But it was went over by Scott's take
Speaker 3: on the project as well as Calvius rewrites.
Speaker 12: Man. That is interesting because I do I feel like
Speaker 12: it's a very well written movie. But I guess, you know,
Speaker 12: those rewrits is where it rewrites.
Speaker 13: I suppose think it's not always the case. You know,
Speaker 13: sometimes when there's a lot of rewrits or something, it's
Speaker 13: like a bad sign, like it's gonna be a bit
Speaker 13: of a mess. But this case it worked out.
Speaker 3: That's the way with Blade, right, all those rewrites not
Speaker 3: a thing?
Speaker 11: Or is it just directors?
Speaker 12: Yeah, rewrits director the movie. So it's a mess for sure.
Speaker 13: Mike Blade Runner. That was oh right, Blade, Yeah, that
Speaker 13: was removie.
Speaker 3: The Germania Battle sequence took twenty days to complete. And
Speaker 3: my last fact here the film Gladiator had a budget
Speaker 3: of one hundred and three million and grossed four dre
Speaker 3: and sixty five million at the box office. So it
Speaker 3: did pretty good. Yeah, not too shabby. Yah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there you go, Crow Scott, now here we are
Speaker 11: second one.
Speaker 12: I'd be curious to go check out an interview and see, like,
Speaker 12: why all these years later it was now the right
Speaker 12: time to do that sequel. I don't know if it's
Speaker 12: like because I don't think there's a ton of actors
Speaker 12: from this first one. I think Luscilla, like the mom,
Speaker 12: is in there, so I think she's still around. And
Speaker 12: I don't know, like obviously aging wise, like are we
Speaker 12: going twenty years in the future. I think we are
Speaker 12: because Lucius is like a man and he's like one
Speaker 12: of the main characters, right, and so.
Speaker 13: I'd like to see I feel like I've seen that
Speaker 13: trailer so many time for the second film, and all
Speaker 13: I can remember right now is just Denzel Washington's character,
Speaker 13: and I don't remember anything, which is nice. You know,
Speaker 13: I'm gonna go into it pretty black. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 13: still just kind of funny.
Speaker 12: Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's different writers, as we said,
Speaker 12: like almost a fully new cast, So I don't know.
Speaker 12: It's gonna be one of those interesting sort of legacy
Speaker 12: sequel kind of things where of course you still have
Speaker 12: the same director, but he's also quite the wild road
Speaker 12: since the year two thousand. So I'm really curious to
Speaker 12: see what kind of what the vibe is like generally speaking.
Speaker 13: You know Pirates Caribean theme right at the opening.
Speaker 12: Yep, I mean that's actually a good point because that
Speaker 12: is kind of the theme of this movie pops up
Speaker 12: multiple times. So I wonder if they're going to reuse
Speaker 12: that because now people be like, oh, I want to
Speaker 12: rip off of Pirates because like no one remembers the
Speaker 12: theme of this movie. But that would be a wild decision.
Speaker 12: I think it's I wonder I'm going to actually see
Speaker 12: who they.
Speaker 3: Got that they got that sequence in here where the
Speaker 3: arena the colseum fills up with water and they got
Speaker 3: the boats here with the Pirates theme just full swing,
Speaker 3: fraidy to get wet.
Speaker 12: Oh man, Yeah, I'm I'm gonna try and find real
Speaker 12: quick who the composer is of.
Speaker 13: I'll get my closing thoughts. Then that's an appropriate to it?
Speaker 13: Do it? Do It? Do It Kill Her? Do It
Speaker 13: out a Rebel Moon? Part two? Yeah? I know this movie.
Speaker 13: This movie is fantastic. Man, I really really love this movie.
Speaker 13: I I think I would have it like my top
Speaker 13: ten favorite movies of all time. But like for being
Speaker 13: just like a historical Like now, I see this more
Speaker 13: of a historical drama more so than like a like
Speaker 13: a an action movie, And I just think it does
Speaker 13: such a great job at telling like an inspirational taking
Speaker 13: like overthrowing a tyrant type of film. Like I just
Speaker 13: really think that there's a lot of magic in this
Speaker 13: movie of just whether it's the costume designs or the
Speaker 13: scale of everything, the moving pieces that are in here,
Speaker 13: phenomenal actors, the run time that really just blows by.
Speaker 13: Brought that up earlier, just like the pacing is just
Speaker 13: it's really smooth, it's really nice. Just it's just a
Speaker 13: nice movie to watch. So this is one that because
Speaker 13: like because it's probably been like over a decade since
Speaker 13: I've watched it. Like I think the last time I
Speaker 13: did watch this movie probably would have been in that
Speaker 13: Grade eight history class, whatever it was. I feel like
Speaker 13: I'm gonna I'll be wanting to throw this one on
Speaker 13: actually more often, like I don't know, maybe a year
Speaker 13: or so. Just just get my Gladiator fixed and hopefully
Speaker 13: Gladier two is really really good and I can just
Speaker 13: do a nice little double feature thing there and yeah,
Speaker 13: I'm I'm definitely I would say my hype like spiked
Speaker 13: now going into the second movie. I was hopeful, especially
Speaker 13: just getting those earlier trailers. I feel like those kind
Speaker 13: of reignited some of the magic and like, oh man, yeah,
Speaker 13: I'm ready for some gladiatorial battles. But now that I've
Speaker 13: gone through the first movie again, fucking ready, man, I'm ready,
Speaker 13: I'm ready for it. So yeah, I'm gonna I'll get
Speaker 13: my tunic out or my toga whatever they're called, and
Speaker 13: the that era.
Speaker 12: Leave your sword and shield at home, maybe.
Speaker 13: I'll leave myself. I'll bring my grapes. I'm more of
Speaker 13: a commedist type of role, you know in wartimes, as
Speaker 13: opposed to a.
Speaker 12: Maximum in front of someone's face.
Speaker 13: I just picture that one robot from Futurama, you know,
Speaker 13: oh yeah whatever his name was, Yeah, but oh yeah,
Speaker 13: number rating? Uh ten? Why not?
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, so casually dropped a ten out of ten.
Speaker 13: That's crazy, dropped it like commodists.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I did look it up, and it is a new
Speaker 12: composer for well, not a new he's he's an aged composer,
Speaker 12: but he it's someone different from the first one who
Speaker 12: just has like the funniest career did. He composed the
Speaker 12: music for Shrek, Spy Kids, Metal Gear, Solid Four, Call
Speaker 12: of Duty, Modern Warfare, Excellent Origins, Wolverine, the Martians. So
Speaker 12: he's worked at Ridley Scott before we got the Meg
Speaker 12: we got the Meg two, We've got a house of Gucci.
Speaker 12: So this guy is just he's everywhere, He's composing no
Speaker 12: matter what the genre is, he is your guy.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 12: That guy's name is Harry Gregson Williams, So we'll see
Speaker 12: what kind of music he drums up for the sequel here. Yeah,
Speaker 12: I had a really good time with this movie. It
Speaker 12: was a really good discussion to just break down some
Speaker 12: of these character things, and I think it was it
Speaker 12: was as you mentioned Kirkland, Like obviously I didn't have
Speaker 12: the nostalgic view of like loving the fight scenes back
Speaker 12: in the day, but just seeing like, man, this movie
Speaker 12: really did have a huge focus on on characters and writing,
Speaker 12: especially with all the rewrites. It's it's fun to hear
Speaker 12: that kind of how that came to be. But yeah,
Speaker 12: really really good time. Really excited for this sequel. I'm
Speaker 12: gonna drop a point four on this puppy right here.
Speaker 4: Four.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, I am just super super stoked for
Speaker 3: this sequel. I'm super stoked to just see how the
Speaker 3: technology is improved on everything we got to dive into
Speaker 3: with this movie. Because this movie I thought it was
Speaker 3: fun and getting the lions in there, and getting all
Speaker 3: the different like chariots and all the fun little things.
Speaker 12: There were tigers, tigers. There's lions in there.
Speaker 13: There's lions and tigers. Everything in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just everything anything with teeth and claws just prants
Speaker 3: around in there. I I think it's gonna be it's
Speaker 3: gonna be a wild time. It's gonna be a good time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this this movie was It was a lot
Speaker 3: of fun. It was great, and it definitely it's one
Speaker 3: that sure as a little kid, I would have just
Speaker 3: been loving it, and I'm surprised I didn't get around
Speaker 3: to watching it.
Speaker 11: As a little kid.
Speaker 3: But as an adult it's nice because you can seeing
Speaker 3: all these movies and again maybe a little foreshadowed good fellas,
Speaker 3: like again watching these movies now and just being able
Speaker 3: to have a little bit more worldly experience to a
Speaker 3: slight degree. I Mean, I'm not a gladiator, but at
Speaker 3: least I can kind of follow along with the motives
Speaker 3: of the characters and just kind of see like, Okay,
Speaker 3: these guys are real jerks and just kind of like
Speaker 3: fill in the gaps a little bit more as supposed
Speaker 3: to being a kid and be like, oh yeah, fucking
Speaker 3: kill them and it's.
Speaker 11: Just like sounding like one of the audience members or something.
Speaker 3: So don't mock me.
Speaker 13: They'll mock me back in the day.
Speaker 11: But yeah, I'm gonna go. I'll probably go a nine
Speaker 11: out of ten.
Speaker 3: I'm in the middle with between you guys, So I'm
Speaker 3: excited to rewatch this movie. I'm excited to watch it
Speaker 3: after I watched the second one and yeah, that does it.
Speaker 3: So anything else do you guys have?
Speaker 12: Absolutely not?
Speaker 3: Thank you. Okay, Well, we'll see you guys next time.
Speaker 3: Take care, stay safe.
Speaker 12: See you in the rooms.
Speaker 7: Hello, it is Ryan and we could all use an
Speaker 7: extra bright spot in our day, couldn't we just to
Speaker 7: make up for things like sitting in traffic, doing the dishes,
Speaker 7: counting your steps, you know, all the mundane stuff. That
Speaker 7: is why I'm such a big fan of Chumba Casino.
Speaker 7: Chumbuck Casino has all your favorite social casino style games
Speaker 7: you can play for free, anytime, anywhere with daily bonuses.
Speaker 7: So sign up now at Chumbuck casino dot com. That's
Speaker 7: Chumbuck casino dot com.
Speaker 8: Sponsored by chump Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group Ford.
Speaker 8: We're prohibited by Law eighteen plus. Terms and conditions apply.
Speaker 4: Black Friday is coming, and for the adults in your
Speaker 4: life who love the coolest toys, well there's something for
Speaker 4: them this year too. Martisian is the premiere craft cocktail
Speaker 4: maker that automatically makes more than sixty seasonal and classic
Speaker 4: cocktails each.
Speaker 5: And out of thirty seconds at the push.
Speaker 10: Of a button.
Speaker 4: And right now, Bartisian is having a huge sight wide sale.
Speaker 4: You can get one hundred dollars off any cocktail maker
Speaker 4: or cocktail maker bundle when you spend four hundred dollars
Speaker 4: or more. So, if the cocktail lover in your life
Speaker 4: has been good this year or the right kind of bad,
Speaker 4: get them Bartesian at the push of a button, make
Speaker 4: Bark quality Cosmopolitans, Martini's, Manhattan's, and more, all in just
Speaker 4: thirty seconds, all for ae hundred dollar. Amazing toys aren't
Speaker 4: just for kids. Get one hundred off a cocktail maker
Speaker 4: when you spend four hundred through Cyber Monday, visit.
Speaker 5: Bartisian dot com slash cocktail.
Speaker 4: That's PA r T s I a n dot com
Speaker 4: slash cocktail.
Speaker 9: Recently, a new client called me and started by saying,
Speaker 9: mister Morgan, I really need your.
Speaker 10: Help, but I'm just a nobody.
Speaker 9: Those words stunned me and I immediately called him back,
Speaker 9: and we're now helping him and his family after a
Speaker 9: terrible accident.
Speaker 10: I'm John Morgan and Morgan and Morgan.
Speaker 9: Everybody who comes to our firm at their time of
Speaker 9: need is a somebody. I grew up poor, but my
Speaker 9: grandmother was like a queen to us. At Morgan and Morgan.
Speaker 9: Our goal is to level the playing field for you
Speaker 9: and your family at your time of need. The insurance
Speaker 9: company has unlimited money and resources.
Speaker 10: You need a firm who can fight them toe to
Speaker 10: toe for right.
Speaker 9: At thirty years, we have fought them in courtrooms throughout America.
Speaker 9: Our results speak for themselves, and always remember this, everybody.
Speaker 10: Is a somebody and nobody is a nobody.
Speaker 9: Visit for the People dot com to learn about our firm,
Speaker 9: Morgan and Morgan. For the people injured, Visit for the
Speaker 9: People dot com for an office near you.
Speaker 15: Ye can get lonely climbing, Mam McKinley. So to entertain myself,
Speaker 15: I go to Chumma Casino dot com. At chum A Casino,
Speaker 15: I give lay hundreds of online casino style games for free,
Speaker 15: like online slots, bingos, Slingo.
Speaker 5: And mar Plus.
Speaker 15: I get a daily login bonus. It's just too bad
Speaker 15: that I'm here. I don't have anyone to share my
Speaker 15: excitement within.
Speaker 11: Jump with the.
Speaker 2: Temba life anytime anywhere. Play for free now at chumpacasino
Speaker 2: dot com. Jwroom no necessary FORID look rehemitive loss he
Speaker 2: terms of conditions.
Speaker 5: Eating plus Black Friday is coming. And for the adults
Speaker 5: in your life.
Speaker 4: Who love the coolest toys, well there's something for them
Speaker 4: this year too. Bartisian is the premiere craft cocktail maker
Speaker 4: that automatically makes more than sixty seasonal and classic cocktails
Speaker 4: each and out of thirty seconds at the push of
Speaker 4: a button. And right now, Bartisian is having a huge
Speaker 4: sight wide sale.
Speaker 5: You can get one hundred dollars off any cocktail maker
Speaker 5: or cocktail maker.
Speaker 4: Bundle when you spend four hundred dollars or more so,
Speaker 4: if the cocktail lover in your life has been good
Speaker 4: this year or the right kind of bad, get them Bartisian,
Speaker 4: at the push of a button, make Bark quality Cosmopolitans, Martini's,
Speaker 4: Manhattan's and.
Speaker 5: More, all in just thirty seconds, all for a hundred off.
Speaker 5: Amazing toys aren't just for kids.
Speaker 4: Get a hundred off a cocktail maker when you spend
Speaker 4: four hundred through Cyber Monday. Visit bartisian dot com slash cocktail.
Speaker 4: That's b A r T E s i a n
Speaker 4: dot com slash cocktail