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you always sound sick so that you have the voice

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Speaker 11: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 13: Lengthy, Yeah, I too lengthy two man cast. So I'm

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of the week. I'm curiously it's gonna be shorter than

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wants to take it? We're gonna get into Gladiator. I

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ever watching this movie. Yeah, I feel like in my mind,

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the first one, I want to watch the second one.

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I'm into it for whatever reason. But yeah, I had

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just like Gladiator battles and stuff. But I think what

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what they went with here. So I'm excited to break

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this movie too, just like really good pacing. Just it

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just flew by. And it's tricky when you have a

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movie like this where like, Okay, it's historical, and we're

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like building off of Okay, here's all these things that

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all these wars, and you're kind of just thrown in

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a history story like this, But I think they did

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a good job of just like if they're if they

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didn't explain the things you need to know, even just

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just filled in. You're just right in it right away.

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right word, but I had a really good time with

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this one all the way through.

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Speaker 13: Hell yeah, yeah, I this is this one's deep seated

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of Heaven, like that's that's maybe a little bit more

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of a drawn out, less so action one, but like

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that I got on like this viewing of maybe just

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because it's been many years since I had seen it,

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and I don't know, just younger. Younger is not really

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knowing about all like the politicking or maybe some of

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like the more philosophical ideas, because we have like Marcus

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Aurelius in here. I feel like as a kid, I

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definitely didn't know who that would have been, like in

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you know, in history so yeah, this is one that

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I feel like it just ages so well, Like this

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came out in two thousand and because it doesn't rely

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on like CGI and like practical effects to what they

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for like what they had available in that time, Like

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they used like real horses in a lot of these scenes,

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and like just just there's so much epic stuff going

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on that's all like real, and it just to me,

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it just makes it seem like it's gonna be one

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of those timeless movies that just goes on forever.

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Speaker 12: Real decapitations with volunteers of course.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it was like a tropic thunder type situation that

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thought it was actors but not really. They're just that

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that devoted. But no, it looks fantastic, like all the

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costume designs and everything and just just all of the scenery.

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Like it's just really really well made movie. I didn't

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even know that in one like all these oscars, but

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like it makes sense watching it. It just yeah, it's

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a beautiful film, and uh yeah, I just really really

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like it. This is also one that I remember watching

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like middle school, like they showed it to us in

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like history class. I just thought it was like the

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coolest thing ever like getting to watch like a movie

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that I really like and then just just yeah doing

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it in school, which was always great, but.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, cool, I didn't get to watch this.

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Speaker 13: God damn you weren't French Immersion though that was in

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Madame Ganie's class in great hls out to Madame Ganie,

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but yeah, cool passed the torch.

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Speaker 11: Uh yeah, this movie.

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Speaker 3: I've I've seen him bits and parts, but it's never

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been something that I've actually deep dived into before and

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watched in one whole sitting.

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Speaker 13: So that's surprising. I feel. I feel like Russell Crowe

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Speaker 3: He is an actor that I really like. I mean,

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you got him as Robin Hood.

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Speaker 11: Which I that was great.

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Speaker 7: I love that movie.

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Speaker 11: Travis doesn't like it?

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Speaker 3: What else do you got him an talk about trev

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That's right. He was the Pope, Pope accessist. So he's

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definitely popping up in roles that I do like. And

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it's funny because he's always been that guy that just

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he reminds me of Gerard Butler.

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Speaker 11: You know, they have a similar kind of vibe or

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like like they look.

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Speaker 3: Similar, right, So sometimes I'm think, oh, yeah, Russell Crowe,

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he was in that Olympus has Fallen, Like no, no, no,

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that was definitely not he was in three hundred.

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Speaker 11: Yes, there you go.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, as far as this movie goes, I I was, yeah,

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not sure exactly what to expect, but I remembered a

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few things and I've seen like the gifts and everything

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of Joaquin Phoenix, and so I knew a couple of

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little familiar scenes, but all in all, I did not

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know what I was in store for with these characters

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and with the overall story and everything that was going on.

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I'm sure we'll talk about it more, but you brought it.

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Speaker 11: Up, Kirkland.

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Speaker 3: It was just a pleasant surprise. We got the og

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Mumbledore in there, as like, what the heck? I couldn't

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believe because I'm trying to pinpoint that voice and I've

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never seen them in anything else outside of Harry Potter Richard.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, uh cool.

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Speaker 3: And we're back. So what are we talking here?

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Speaker 11: Where we start?

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Speaker 12: I want to start exactly where you left off there,

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And this is a classic Kirkland starting at the beginning,

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but it's only beginning because Richard harr Is his character

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of course, dies off pretty soon, like he's maybe in

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like ten percent of the movie. But yeah, I wanted

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to break that character down a little more, a little

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bit more because kind of who I was saying about,

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like you're really just kind of thrown in the middle

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of like history here and we're like picking up and

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I feel like a big part of this movie is

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like a huge important part about the people of Rome

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here is how much respect and admiration and they have

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for Marcus Aurelius, like the Caesar at this time. That

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was something I don't feel like I knew until now.

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Caesar is that like just the name of like the

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king essentially for Rome at any time? Yeah, I feel

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like I now knew that, So I'm history dummy. I

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need to play more Age Empires. Clearly a lot of Sieve,

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but that's not enough clear total war Rome.

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Speaker 13: There you go.

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Speaker 12: Go, Okay, Okay, that'll be my next pickup. But yeah,

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I think like there's so much that we have to

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buy into of like the people loving this guy. And

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then also a big part of Maximus's story is like

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this revenge tale, and obviously a part of that is

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because of his family, but it starts out because of

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his love and admiration for Caesar as well for Marcus Aurelius,

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and then even through the movie persists like obviously, first

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and foremost it's because his wife and kid were murdered,

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but he also always wants his goal is always because

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of Marcus Aurelius and his respect for him as well.

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And so I think it's it's hard in a movie

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like this, like, Okay, given the amount of screen time

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we got to move the story along, how are we

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gonna find that level attachment to that character? But I

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think that's where Richard Harris like did such a freaking

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killer job. And just like you, Taylor, I've never as

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far as I don't seen him in anything else. You know,

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he obviously passed away early two thousands, so his career.

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This was like probably one of his last movies. I

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think he just brought so much charisma and I like

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he just felt like a lovable grandfather guy. And like

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even before I was like, oh, yeah, that's doubled round,

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I have that kind of admiration for him from that role.

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he was put he was cast for roles like that

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because he was able to bring that gravitas and especially yeah,

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for a movie like this where he doesn't have a

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ton of screen time. I think he did such a

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great job that he was like pulling on my heart

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strings like from get Go and that, Like I found

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that really impressive and that really held a lot of

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the movie. And then motivations for a lot of characters together,

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so big ups to him in particular, he really was

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a standout.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, No, one hundred percent that I feel like on

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this viewing, that was like the biggest impact I think

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back in the day, I just was all for the

476
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,200
fucking battle scenes and you know, just.

477
00:21:58,079 --> 00:22:01,279
Speaker 12: Like the Gladiator kicking out. Now that I'm more of

478
00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:02,079
an adult, like.

479
00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 13: I just appreciate these these moments so much more. And

480
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,920
I love that you mentioned that because it very much

481
00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:11,359
is like a just like a cloud over like the

482
00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:14,680
entire movie of just like this legacy that that he's

483
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,200
given across and kind of his his teachings, Like although

484
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,519
he died, like it wasn't just for nothing, like obviously

485
00:22:20,599 --> 00:22:25,839
his teachings like lived on through the Gladiator to to

486
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,559
like make the change to Rome and then had like

487
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,640
a basically just put an end to like this tyrannical emperor,

488
00:22:31,839 --> 00:22:34,880
just like undoing all these great works that Marcus Aurelio was.

489
00:22:35,079 --> 00:22:37,960
Marcus Aurelius was doing because this whole plan, right was

490
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,319
to dissolve more so of the dictatorship and have it

491
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,000
more of a like a senate, so I Yeah, I

492
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,559
I don't know. I just really loved his scenes because,

493
00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:52,440
as you mentioned, like he just has so much just

494
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,839
such a presence, like you just feel like, man, this

495
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,240
is like the ruler that like everyone should just be loving,

496
00:22:58,279 --> 00:23:02,400
Like this is just seess so grandfatherly. And yeah, I

497
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,519
really liked how kind of the theme of even with

498
00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:11,359
like his daughter's scenes between Maximus and and her of

499
00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:14,839
just speaking on like believing in Rome and like and

500
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,680
like what it means it's not just one man. And yeah,

501
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,079
I feel like that just like those scenes like gave

502
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,440
me goosebumps. This this time around. It was like, man,

503
00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:25,440
like I it's like I'm watching a whole new movie now,

504
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,960
Like I just really am appreciating this. So yeah, it

505
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,839
actually like I feel like I lifted my score. Honestly,

506
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,440
I'm just like, man, this movie is better than I

507
00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:34,519
than I even thought. So yeah, it was nice.

508
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 11: Yeah.

509
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:39,519
Speaker 3: He he really really brought his a game. I mean

510
00:23:39,559 --> 00:23:41,279
in every role he does, I mean, the only two

511
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:43,440
tips see him and I just feel like he's he's

512
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,920
he's shown up to play and I love that.

513
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:49,279
Speaker 11: At the I mean, at the end of the movie.

514
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 3: It's just it's it's his word. It's like he's just

515
00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:55,960
he's spiritually just transferred over into Maximus, Like Maximus is

516
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:56,440
just like his.

517
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,279
Speaker 13: Just avatar Avatar with Marcus Aurelio.

518
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he's just he just really commands so much respect,

519
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,880
and it's just it's amazing how shit really hits the

520
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,599
fan so quickly at the start of this movie. But

521
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,839
the scenes that he's in with Maximus, it's just great

522
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:18,400
because he's like, I just want to talk to you, man,

523
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,799
de man, like disregard like the title and everything and

524
00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:22,319
the positions and the status.

525
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,599
Speaker 11: Let's just have a conversation.

526
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,519
Speaker 3: And it's just a simple chat like oh, I have

527
00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:29,079
a farm with some animals and whatnot. And he just

528
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,720
loves hearing that. It's just that simplicity. And then you

529
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:36,640
have his son come in, come off, what is it?

530
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, So that whole.

531
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 3: Conversation was just crazy, especially just the way he delivers it.

532
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,079
When Caesar is just like, you're you're how does he

533
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,640
say it your failure is a son or you.

534
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,839
Speaker 11: God, I'm butchering.

535
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 12: He pretty much just is saying, like, your shortcomings are

536
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,039
because of my bad parents.

537
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And it's like, oh, he's just he lands

538
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,559
that line so well and it's so powerful, and then

539
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,720
what does his son do? Just like, yeah, goddamn it.

540
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's like he's trying to console them. But that

541
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:19,000
is one of the sickest burns in history. I feel

542
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:22,000
like to say that to someone, like, God, damn that

543
00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:24,680
is that is that is brutal. He's kind of giving

544
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,039
into him not having confidence in me. He's like, yeah,

545
00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:30,039
you should not be confident in yourself, but it's kind

546
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:31,640
of my fault. But at the same time, you still

547
00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:34,240
kind of suck. Obviously said in a very you know,

548
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:36,960
Roman Caesar sort away.

549
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,039
Speaker 13: That's how common has heard it, though Common has heard

550
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,519
yes only as a slight towards him.

551
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:47,799
Speaker 12: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, we want to talk about commonists at

552
00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:48,519
this point in time.

553
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 11: Yeah.

554
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:55,079
Speaker 13: Absolutely. I I feel like, now that I've gone through

555
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:02,440
seeing characters like Geoffrey Lanister and like and like just

556
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,279
villain performances, I feel like used to just make me

557
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,640
angry as a kid, and like I would just get

558
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,200
mad at that character and be like I hate that

559
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:12,079
character for this reason. I just don't like that.

560
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 12: Actor in that role.

561
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,079
Speaker 13: Now it's like, man, I just appreciate people able to

562
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,160
do that performance. Honestly, I'm just being so hated that,

563
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,880
Like everyone and their grandmother sees that performance, Like, man,

564
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,920
that is a bad person. I hate that character. I

565
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,480
want them to die. So maybe not to that full extent,

566
00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:30,640
but definitely in this movie, I feel like it's warranted

567
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,400
so like, and now that I've just seen a lot

568
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,519
more of Walking Phoenix's performance, getting like he looks like

569
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:39,559
such a baby in this movie compared to like the

570
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,079
last thing I saw him, it would have been Joker

571
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,319
to all these years later, twenty four years later, So

572
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:47,759
I just man, like, I feel like he he's just

573
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,839
such such a quality actor to be able to like again,

574
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,759
like just the different layers of performance that he's done,

575
00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:58,799
whether it's Joker or his character from her when he's

576
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:03,079
a relationship with like AI to like this, Like man,

577
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,839
I feel like I just appreciate the performance so much

578
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,960
more now that I've seen more of what he's done.

579
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,359
In a long winded way of just saying it his

580
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,720
great performance and yeah, I feel like he's just such

581
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:17,400
a whiny brat and it's such like a distorted view

582
00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:20,640
on what's going on. And I just love the scenes.

583
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:23,559
I feel like with his sister, it's like, will you

584
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:26,119
stay with me tonight? And she's like, oh, you're still scared.

585
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,319
It's like, yeah, some I'm very scared still. He's just

586
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,599
such like a pathetic individual. It's and then and then

587
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,400
like it'll go from like those scenes to like the

588
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,880
most Manliest a man fighting for his life and like

589
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,200
basically the survival of Rome in the glad Eater Pit.

590
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:42,039
So it was just such an interesting like juxtaposition between

591
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:44,880
those two characters. And I just loved whether they were

592
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,240
interacting with each other or just like scenes on their

593
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,200
own and then go to the other. I just love

594
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:53,279
the balance of spending time amongst the two And yeah,

595
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:54,359
comments is good.

596
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I mean I totally agree. I think it was.

597
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,039
It was funny watching this movie and being like, oh yeah,

598
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,000
people like hundreds of years ago in this era could

599
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,279
just like have depression. You know, you kind of forget

600
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:10,960
about that, and I feel like commedists. That's why I

601
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,799
thought was so interesting about him, is like this guy

602
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,240
is just deeply, deeply depressed and that leads to many

603
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,359
other issues and then he has he has other problems too,

604
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,279
but on top of that, I just kind of feel

605
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:22,799
like that fuels a lot of what's going on here.

606
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,319
And as you mentioned, like the cast scene of Walking

607
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,599
Phoenix is so interesting given those roles you mentioned, even

608
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:31,039
throw like bo is afraid on there like a ring

609
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:32,559
of fire. Like I feel like he's just good at

610
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:36,279
playing depressed characters, people who are really really struggling, And

611
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:38,160
so to put that here, I think it's such a

612
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,319
It's kind of a juxtaposition in a way because going

613
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:44,400
into this I kind of expected that obviously, Like with

614
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:46,200
like ten minutes, I kind of knew where this movie

615
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,400
was going. But when I before ever seen it, I

616
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,680
kind of assumed, like, oh, yeah, the final fight is

617
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,400
gonna be like the two big macho dude bro testosterone

618
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,400
battles and they're just gonna be doing some big, huge fight.

619
00:28:57,599 --> 00:28:59,440
But it's not that at all, because that's not who

620
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,240
Communist as a character. He's kind of a scrawny, weakling

621
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:06,319
sort of type who's more about the mental game and

622
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:08,920
the power than it is like the physical, Like he

623
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,279
has no aspiration for that, and like his only way

624
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,400
that he's ever gonna go into a fight is after

625
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,960
he has unfairly poisoned his opponent beforehand and just be

626
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:20,599
like overconfident. So I found the character like just super

627
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,559
duper compelling and he's kind of shown as like the

628
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,559
kind of classic Braddy Prince type character who always gets

629
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:30,039
what he wants and when he doesn't, he just lashes out,

630
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:32,640
such as lashing out to the point of to throw

631
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,000
in a tantrument killing his dad. Obviously, that's kind of

632
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,279
peak tantrum mode that you can go into. But the

633
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:41,359
other things too, like just when he's in the I guess,

634
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,279
like the Philosopher's circle square sort of thing, and the

635
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:46,160
other people on the Senate are kind of questioning his

636
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,160
decisions and he kind of just storms out of there

637
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:52,200
and then he goes nuclear with it and just decides

638
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,079
to completely shut them down in general and just go

639
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,200
full in on this like colisseum and that's like he's

640
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,319
gonna be his legacy. So yeah, I found him like

641
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:03,799
a very multi sided character. I want to ask you

642
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:06,279
guys about like what happens at the end, but I

643
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:08,279
guess we can first get Taylor's thoughts just on this

644
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,079
character overall.

645
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, So.

646
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: He's just downfall into this sense of madness and distrust

647
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,200
of everything and everyone is.

648
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 11: It's quite a quite a trek.

649
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: And while he's definitely disturbed from the get go, because

650
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,680
he shows up late to the war and he's got

651
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,480
all these expectations and whatnot. The moment he kills his father,

652
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,599
you know, like, Okay, this guy's statistically just messed up.

653
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,440
And so I thought it was interesting, Like you guys mentioned,

654
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,559
he's in that Senate room and the senate's calling him out,

655
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,079
and he just thinks, oh, why am I gonna help

656
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,480
protect the people and we'll look after this plague situation.

657
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,000
I'm just gonna put on a series of games and

658
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:50,880
have the people fall in love with me, which does work,

659
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,799
but it backfires obviously because of Maximus, and we'll get

660
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:57,480
into that. But yeah, him as a character just utilizing

661
00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:00,880
his well, he feels safe with the older sister. But

662
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,839
his older sister I would say, was you using him

663
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,160
to kind of protect her son? I feel like because

664
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,079
that that's the only reason. I feel like she wouldn't

665
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:14,359
necessarily concede to him making certain like advancements onto her.

666
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,240
But I think it's up to interpretation. Really, wait, sorry,

667
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:22,839
what was that she was because they sleep together, but

668
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,519
she was only sleeping with him just to protect her son.

669
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 12: I feel like I did not know they were sleeping together.

670
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,279
Speaker 13: I didn't get that either.

671
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:33,559
Speaker 11: You didn't get that at all.

672
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,039
Speaker 3: No, because even that even that during it later she's

673
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:38,799
like he's like speaking to her, and he's.

674
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,599
Speaker 11: Like, oh, yeah, you will.

675
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: You're not gonna even look at me in a bad way.

676
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,920
You're gonna give me a son and all an air

677
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,279
and all that kind of stuff. So I took it

678
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,839
as they were definitely intimate beforehand.

679
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,319
Speaker 12: Yeah, I I took like that's where they was gonna

680
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:53,200
escalate too. And obviously when he like lays it down

681
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,119
on the bed and like kisses her, I forget if

682
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:56,680
he does kiss her like on the cheek or something

683
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,079
like that. Yeah, and she's just like she just rolls

684
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:02,240
a dark stiff yeah. Yeah, Like I think you're right

685
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,720
here that like she would have, but I don't. I

686
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:06,599
don't feel like it had it excelled to that point

687
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,160
quite yet.

688
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 13: At Yeah. I found like the dynamic of when he's

689
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,039
first taking over really interesting because there's just so much

690
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:17,279
tension amongst like everything on, like there is the change,

691
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,759
and then obviously like the sister doesn't want him ruling,

692
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:25,279
like like like she's almost like an inside double agent

693
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,519
sort of situation, but like she still has to play

694
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:32,240
along because she's terrified that to me, it seemed like

695
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:34,759
she was terrified commtist was just gonna like murder Lucius

696
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,079
because that's not his son, right, and then he wants

697
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,119
a son with his sister that will be the new heir.

698
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,880
He doesn't want Lucius to be the heir. That saw

699
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,960
it just seemed like a lot of tension. Anytime that

700
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:50,119
it was like comedis Lucius and the sister like it

701
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,319
was it was just like a really and then obviously

702
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,279
the scene when he's telling the tale on like he

703
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,640
just knows about the betrayal, it's there. It's just oh,

704
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,640
there's just so much thickness of tension in the air

705
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,799
in those moments. But yeah, I didn't really take it

706
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:04,640
that like it was just the thing that was happening.

707
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,799
But like if that was the case, I would have

708
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:09,720
believed you. But like it just seems like when she

709
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,799
is just starfished on the bed, that's probably would have

710
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,160
been the extent of the intimacy in those moments, But

711
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,559
it just seemed like it was a thing that maybe

712
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:20,799
it was coming, and like I don't know she she

713
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,799
knew that it was eventually gonna be coming, but maybe

714
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:24,559
I'm wrong.

715
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:29,079
Speaker 12: Like she's still she's still like to your point to

716
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,240
the kind of just does whatever he wants for the

717
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,039
most part, like that I forget what. I forget what.

718
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,400
There's some other scene where it's kind of like nighttime

719
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,920
and he asks her some question and she's like, go

720
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,640
to bed. She just doesn't like f off pretty much.

721
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:46,359
So I think she she know she has that like

722
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,400
sibling like boundary, but like she is right on the

723
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,839
edge of that boundary and like trying to keep it

724
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,920
enforced the whole time. But even like, yeah, that I

725
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,640
think it's during that scene on the bed, or maybe

726
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,559
it's later when when he's kind of telling that bedtime

727
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:05,640
story to Lucius and then he's like obviously telling her

728
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,559
that he's onto her with the coup and then that's happening.

729
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:11,639
But I thought the line that was really powerful was

730
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,360
that he's talking about how he's like father always said

731
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,239
that life is a frightful dream. That line like really

732
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:17,679
stuck me.

733
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 11: One.

734
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 12: It's like just him confirming that he has depression that

735
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,760
he lives in like a frightful dream, but also that

736
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,679
he's like he's aware of this kind of thing. He

737
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,000
realized that there's issues.

738
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:26,199
Speaker 3: One.

739
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,639
Speaker 12: It's like it means that he's his father is still

740
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,960
just in his mind constantly and still in his head

741
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,440
even though he's he's killed him. But then I feel

742
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,679
like that just shows how the lack of empathy that

743
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,280
this character has because life is a frightful dream, Like

744
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,760
he has all these issues, yet he's like knowingly doing

745
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,320
this very same thing to his sister, Like I feel

746
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,199
like there's nobody he can't read that she doesn't want

747
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,000
these things, but she only does it because she kind

748
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,079
of feels like she has to. And he still like

749
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,320
constantly presses her on these things to the point of

750
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,760
that that bed scene, which is obviously like super duper uncomfortable,

751
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,360
Like that is the frightful dream right there, and so

752
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,679
he's just putting that onto the person that he like

753
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,239
presumably loves the most, and it just goes to show

754
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,960
how like fd up he is in the head.

755
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, he excuse me.

756
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: His uh, since that moment there where he kind of

757
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:16,320
is pressing the kid Lucius and it's just kind of

758
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,360
like trying to coax the truth out of his sister.

759
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,679
It bothered me because it just he gets that extra

760
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,840
win there, and I feel like he just he wins

761
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,760
consistently as much as he's losing at the same time.

762
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,760
But it's not like a proud, like great win. It's

763
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,000
as I said, he's losing as he's winning. It's just

764
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,320
such a it pisses me off. And so when he's

765
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,079
when he's like trying to bait the sister and get

766
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:42,960
her to tell her, tell her what's tell him what's

767
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,800
going on, it's, uh, it sucks that that kind of

768
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,239
steam rolls into just pulling apart this whole plan because

769
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,360
that part of the story where it was turning into like, oh,

770
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,239
we're going to have the Senator turning on communists and

771
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,840
we're going to have Maximus breaking free, bring in with

772
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,960
him his five thousand troops to take over Rome and

773
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,440
basically just kill the emperor. I would have loved that,

774
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,199
but that's not the story we got.

775
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 10: We got again, just this.

776
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:11,559
Speaker 13: We're getting hyped where you're like, oh, we're gonna be

777
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:12,559
taken over nice.

778
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,199
Speaker 3: I was getting hyped because he was like, all, ye,

779
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,119
my men will follow me and we'll come back and

780
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,039
we'll leave the army here in the Senate. It's like, oh,

781
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:20,320
we've never had an army come into the city of

782
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,960
Rome before. I was like, oh, this is gonna be great.

783
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:25,199
I can't wait. But then we got Maximus sneaking out

784
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,719
and this guy ominously sitting on his horse like Maximus

785
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,079
like he shouts it out and then gives him away

786
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:36,800
Like that was oh yeah, it was kidding me.

787
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 13: He wins again walking this guy. Yeah, just absolutely hate it.

788
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: But when you see him in the arena at the end, though,

789
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:49,599
it's it's neat to know that this isn't his first

790
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:51,639
time fighting, right, he is a skilled fighter. We see

791
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,639
him back at the beginning of the film when he's

792
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:57,280
in the Germania camp. Basically he's taken on like four

793
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,360
dudes at once and he's just like spin around fighting

794
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,199
them off and whatnot.

795
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 13: But like, come on, that isn't that just like the

796
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,800
guards who are higher level. Yeah, say that he's a

797
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,920
skilled fighter, like maybe he does the odd battle, but

798
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,519
I think it's obviously he like doesn't have the experience.

799
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,360
I was wondering, like, do you guys, I think that

800
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:27,000
he wanted to die in the end, he does poison him,

801
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,559
but I'd say he still does the fight.

802
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 12: You don't think so?

803
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:35,159
Speaker 13: No, I think he just wanted like ultimate control and

804
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:37,360
to have that legacy, like you just he really wanted

805
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,360
to be remembered as like the ultimate like Caesar essentially,

806
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,400
I feel like that was I don't know, you just

807
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:49,440
seems so like because he is so like empathetic for

808
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,000
like other people, he's just very like narcissistic and like

809
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,360
his tendencies and it's just all about him and like

810
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,840
the ego that comes with that. I feel like although

811
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:02,559
he is very fragile like insecure, I feel like just

812
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:04,559
some of the moves that he does like throughout the film,

813
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,559
it just seems like, I he's very much a hurt person. Yeah,

814
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:11,280
he's very depressed, so hurt people, hurt people, and I

815
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,519
feel like that's what he really wants to do and

816
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,440
like get some satisfaction out of that and just basically

817
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,519
abusing his power and maybe to feel loved. But it's

818
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:22,840
just like a thing that he's like he just doesn't

819
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,880
understand the root cause on like how to actually get

820
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,880
that admiration. That's that's just a key part of his

821
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,960
flawed character. And but yeah, I don't think he was

822
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,559
necessarily like looking for like it's like he's wearing like

823
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:39,119
that nice white garb. It looks like something that you'd

824
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:40,960
be buried in. Like I don't think that was his

825
00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:43,559
plan of like, I'm gonna die wearing this, but I

826
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,559
don't know if you're gonna die, look out, you know,

827
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,599
like better looks look pretty fly while you're doing it.

828
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: But I mean that's where he gets his real taste

829
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,000
of who's in control. Like he understands that, he knows that, Okay,

830
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,599
he sees her, he's calling the shots.

831
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:57,519
Speaker 11: But when he's in the.

832
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:01,119
Speaker 3: Arena and he finds out that's it's Maxims who's the spaniard,

833
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,320
which great fucking scene, Oh my god, and he's just

834
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,199
ready to kill him, and the audience is like live, live,

835
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,719
live live, and he can't.

836
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:10,639
Speaker 11: He can't.

837
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: Right there, he's the most powerful man in Rome, but

838
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,880
he can't go through with it because it'll just be

839
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:15,719
bad news.

840
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,639
Speaker 11: So he doesn't do it.

841
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,119
Speaker 3: And I think that scene kind of adds to the

842
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,559
ending where if he beats Maximus and he's at the

843
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:26,480
end in the arena, then the audience is going to.

844
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:30,639
Speaker 11: Be like like Caesar, Caesar, Caesar, like kill, kill, kill.

845
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:33,159
Speaker 3: And so he's gonna be able to take in all

846
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,360
of that and have what Maximus had. And I think

847
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,960
he's very jealous of Maximus obviously because he calls him

848
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:40,199
brother and all that stuff.

849
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,039
Speaker 12: So yeah, jealous of the fathers love, he is jealous

850
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:47,599
of the sisters love. He's jealous of the people's love.

851
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,079
I mean just every yeah, and Maximus is everything that

852
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:51,880
he wants.

853
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,599
Speaker 13: I loved pretty much all the sequences when he's in

854
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,400
the coliseum and like he he thinks that everyone's there

855
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,920
for like him, but it's just like the Maximus Show,

856
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,320
and he's just like he's just so sour, and after

857
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,719
he wins, he's just like whining to his his his

858
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,199
compatriot in the in his bedroom chain chambers. Later on,

859
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,239
it's like they love him.

860
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,559
Speaker 12: I can't just kill him off, Like.

861
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 13: He's just so whiny, like that little child. One of

862
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:20,400
my favorite actual scenes with him. It's a pretty minor scene,

863
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,639
but I because he does make like a lot of

864
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:26,239
these like power moves to try and like shut down

865
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,920
what's going on. Like obviously he figures out the plan

866
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:32,079
of like overthrowing, like the coup that was going to

867
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:35,760
be planned. He obviously figures that out and puts a

868
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,639
stop to it. Like he does make these power moves.

869
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,440
But I just loved how like throughout the whole film,

870
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,320
because he is just this like very privileged individual that's

871
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,599
lived his whole life like in this castle. Like he's

872
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,960
never like actually anywhere near the action until the end

873
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,480
of the movie when he when he dies, Like he's

874
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:52,599
nowhere near the action when the big battle happens. At

875
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,400
the beginning of the film, you know, he's riding in

876
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,559
the stage coach with his sister when like the Knights

877
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,239
of the of the are the raids that are going on.

878
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,440
Like the next scene like after that happens, he like

879
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:05,800
is in his bedchambers wearing pj's and he has like

880
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,599
this massive BedHead, like he just slept for ten hours

881
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:10,199
and it was the best sleep of his life. And

882
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,000
he's just like did it?

883
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:11,519
Speaker 5: Did it work?

884
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 13: Like he's just asking his his his buddy, like I

885
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:17,559
just loved how again, Like it shows like this horrific

886
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,000
like murders that are going on, like just all these

887
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:24,199
like betrayals that that are happening. You have the guy

888
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:26,480
that owns Maximus, the guy that's been helping out this

889
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:28,480
whole time, you know, like he gets murdered in that

890
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:31,119
sequence and then and then we jump over to like

891
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:33,880
the Emperor's chambers and he's just having the best sleep

892
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,239
of his life. So I just loved all the moments

893
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,039
that were shown of like really intense bloodshed and then

894
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,320
you know the guy in his ivory tower, like eating

895
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,559
his grapes and just like no callouses on his hands,

896
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:48,559
like he's just he's just so separated from it. So I,

897
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,480
I don't know, I just love the way that they're

898
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:52,760
able to show those moments, And to me, it was

899
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,960
just such a like a start contrast of of the

900
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,480
two characters again, like a big juxtaposition of like what's

901
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,519
actual life like in that era. And they even mention

902
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:05,000
it right like when he first takes over the role

903
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:06,920
and he's in the Senate and he's talking about like

904
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,599
all these things that he wants to do for the people,

905
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,320
bring like health like it's not healthcare back then, but

906
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,440
essentially like help out the sick, and then the Senate

907
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,559
people are like, have you ever actually seen like a

908
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,280
sick person before? Like have you ever Like you're just

909
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,599
so like warped in your perception of what reality is

910
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,599
like on like the streets for the people of Rome,

911
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:25,559
and like you're just saying all these things that you

912
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:28,480
think is gonna like you know, all of the aqueducts

913
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,920
will be wine and everyone's just gonna be happy and

914
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:33,079
loving each other. It's like that is just so warped

915
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:36,480
into store tonight. I just feel like throughout the whole

916
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,559
film they were able to like really showcase those moments

917
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:42,280
of showing how disconnected he is with the reality of

918
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,800
what's going on, and like even the people in the Senate,

919
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,559
I'm sure are like completely separated from the realities that

920
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,280
we're going on, but even they have a more like

921
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,719
realistic understanding of it. But I don't know, I was

922
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,559
kind of rambling there, but I just I really loved though,

923
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:57,639
Like because I'm viewing it now, like years later, I

924
00:42:57,679 --> 00:42:59,599
feel like I just didn't even notice any of those

925
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,400
scenes I just mentioned like until now, so it was

926
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,079
like I was watching on a brand new movie again

927
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:05,519
and I just I really really liked it.

928
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,639
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it goes to show that, like I

929
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:10,760
don't know how old his character is supposed to be

930
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,199
in this, but like clearly he's had enough time to

931
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,880
start learning some of these things from his father, but

932
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:18,480
instead of doing that, he was just fucking around doing

933
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:21,119
other stuff. And it's not just that Maximus is a

934
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:25,239
stronger fighter, like is the reason why Marcus Aurellius wanted

935
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,440
to hand over the crown to him is because of

936
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,679
like all this other stuff as well, And yeah, he

937
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,440
just had no he had no, I guess, motivation to

938
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:38,280
like learn how to do those things or be better

939
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,119
at the political side of it. One one scene that

940
00:43:41,199 --> 00:43:44,119
I think is fantastic just in the way, well in

941
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,280
the dialogue and then like the way it's shot specifically,

942
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,320
is after he's caught on to the coup that's gonna happen,

943
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:53,119
he has he's talking to like his general or his

944
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:55,480
right hand man, some guy, and he's talking about like

945
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:58,239
what's gonna happen to Lucius and Lucilla and Lucilla now

946
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,559
that they've now that he's caught onto it, and like

947
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,000
really messed up stuff that he's describing what he's gonna

948
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,920
do to his sister and her son. And then like

949
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,719
the camera just pans over and like she's just been

950
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,280
there the whole time listening to him explain all this stuff.

951
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,159
When I thought or it seems like a more of

952
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,039
a private conversation he's having with like the troops, I

953
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:18,159
thought that that scene was like chilling. It's like, oh

954
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,559
my god, this guy is so effed up. I guess

955
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,239
that leads to a question I had, which is, how

956
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,440
exactly does he catch onto the coup because I know

957
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,679
he's suspicious of her because she's been out later than

958
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,760
he expects, But I couldn't tell if there was also

959
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,360
like he had got a tip from Lucius, who wasn't

960
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:36,199
maybe sure of everything that was going on. He was

961
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,320
just telling his uncle stuff and that's how he got

962
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,760
a hint. But I don't know my missing something there?

963
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,519
Is it just the sister and that suspicion because it

964
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,400
almost seemed like too smart of a deduction based on

965
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,840
what we've seen from that character to that point.

966
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,159
Speaker 13: I definitely took it like he just has spies that

967
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,599
like follow people everywhere, and okay.

968
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 12: So he has people that actually care about him more

969
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,960
than Rome or.

970
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 13: Maximia on the payroll. I guess, yeah, there's definitely those

971
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,480
individuals that like money over it, but they definitely could

972
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:04,719
have shown I think a little bit more of like

973
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,360
how he found that out. I don't know. I just

974
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,920
I did find like even on this viewing, I was like,

975
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,559
did I miss a scene like where they explain that,

976
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:17,280
But I don't. Yeah, I guess I guess he just

977
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,400
there's many eyes, you know, there's eyes and ears all

978
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,119
over Rome, and some of them own is on his payroll.

979
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:25,400
But that's what I took it. And Taylor is another reason.

980
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 3: No, I think that's pretty much it because he he

981
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,239
was pretty spot on with knowing this senator is a

982
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,199
part of this, this plan, this senator practice.

983
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 11: Yeah.

984
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,039
Speaker 3: So I mean you have to have spies to know that.

985
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:41,639
I mean, yeah, because otherwise how how would they know?

986
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,559
The only ones that were present in those meeting chambers

987
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:47,920
were yeah, Maximus, and then the Senator, and then the

988
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,199
sister and then I guess the gladiator owner. But I

989
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,679
mean he obviously died a hero. He wasn't going down

990
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:56,519
with commonists.

991
00:45:56,639 --> 00:46:00,519
Speaker 13: So proximal, proximo, proximal.

992
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:03,199
Speaker 12: He's cool. Yeah, yeah, since we were kind of just

993
00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:05,199
talking about the sister a little bit. Uh. For the

994
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,480
most part, I think the character is really well done.

995
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:10,000
Good acting and all that, and she is able to

996
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:11,880
bring some gravitas in terms of what you're saying, Kirk,

997
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:15,199
like being the double agent and the acting to you know,

998
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,519
show those those different the parts that she's hiding, was

999
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:22,679
all really good. My one beef with the character was

1000
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,960
I thought the kind of love element between her and Maximus.

1001
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,760
It was really cheesy. It was really forced, and it

1002
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,559
was also very just like male director, male gayzy kind

1003
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,880
of thing of like, oh, of course, like the pretty

1004
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,039
queen has to kiss our main hero guy. Because I

1005
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:41,360
just felt like it pacing wise, it it didn't really

1006
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,920
make sense. I understand why she would look up to

1007
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,599
him and think he's he's hot and a cool badass

1008
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,400
and all that, and like they've had this pass which

1009
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,559
they allude to many times. But I think from his perspective,

1010
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,719
that's where it didn't really make any sense. Like he's

1011
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,199
still like days, maybe it's been weeks at this point,

1012
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,079
it's hard to say, but he's still like hot off

1013
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,599
the murder of his wife, and like he's doing all

1014
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:03,800
this for her, for his son, and like for the

1015
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,519
king and for Rome and all this, and I just

1016
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:08,719
feel like to throw in this weird love storyline where

1017
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,199
they kiss every once in a while. It was just

1018
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,679
it was really forced. I did not like that whatsoever.

1019
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,880
I think it maybe makes a bit more sense from

1020
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,960
her perspective, but even then I don't think it makes

1021
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,840
a ton of sense. So I just I just don't

1022
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,719
think it was a necessary addition. Here.

1023
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 13: Yeah, I somewatould agree with you. I feel like it

1024
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:30,039
would have just made sense of like that era of

1025
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:32,559
everyone's just fucking everyone and like it like it's just

1026
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,960
there's just so many unfaithfulness I think going on like

1027
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,280
in this era, especially just like wartime generals away from

1028
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,480
your family for that long, but it seemed like the

1029
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:48,880
focus of the story, like it just was so unnecessary

1030
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,960
for them to like have those moments. I feel like

1031
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:56,079
my defense in those scenes, for like from Lucilla's perspective

1032
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,760
is like she's just so like feeling trapped in her tower,

1033
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,239
you know, like like scared of what's gonna happen with

1034
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,559
her son, with her brother and all these situations, and

1035
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:09,880
like this individual Maximus, that it's just showing the best

1036
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,400
qualities that you would want from like a Roman individual,

1037
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,000
and like she very much seems like she took her

1038
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:19,079
father's teachings like to heart and like just what Rome

1039
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:22,000
should be, and it seems like she's like genuine with

1040
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:24,840
all those feelings, Like it's like we believe in Rome,

1041
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:28,239
not just the individual of who's running it. And I

1042
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,559
think from her perspective, seeing someone like Maximus that's just

1043
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,360
like basically rising from the ashes like a phoenix and

1044
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,960
like putting an end to the Commutist's reign from like

1045
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,119
just what he's doing in the pits after losing all

1046
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:42,719
his family. Like it's just like she's so admiring those qualities,

1047
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,679
and then in those moments, maybe she's feeling like just

1048
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,360
trapped and this is her savior, and it would make

1049
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,880
sense why she would want to just be in love

1050
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:54,559
with this individual. It's almost like a oh my gosh,

1051
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:59,360
what's her name? What's uh, what's the king of Rohan's

1052
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,119
nieces name? Oh my gosh, Aoin it's like the Aowen

1053
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,239
or Ara Gordon, Like it's just like a perfect man,

1054
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,599
perfect individual of just like he's such a leader and

1055
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:13,199
like all these qualities. I just I love this individual.

1056
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,360
And then it's just like it's actually happening and she

1057
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,840
believes so like I don't know, I feel like that's

1058
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:21,840
in my mind, but like in that one moment, like

1059
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,159
have like one kiss in the entire scene or sorry,

1060
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:26,880
the entire movie, and then it's just like leave it there.

1061
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,199
It did seem strange, like even early on when they

1062
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,320
had like some romantic tension, like I didn't really need

1063
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,639
the historic like relationship that they had. It was more

1064
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:39,119
so just like what the individual's representing.

1065
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:42,159
Speaker 12: And I could tell if the purpose of that, like

1066
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,760
because I felt like they were kind of hinting that

1067
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,960
that that that Lucius could be Maximus's son. Yeah, but

1068
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,280
that never really gets like confirmed, right or like maybe

1069
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,559
has been for the sequel. And that's because I think

1070
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:56,519
Lucius is like one of the main guys in the sequel, right,

1071
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,079
So I I don't know, like, what do you do?

1072
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:03,119
You guys have a prediction there, like is that his son? Yes?

1073
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 4: No?

1074
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:06,599
Speaker 13: Maybe, so I could see it being the case. I

1075
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:09,639
hope it's not, though, Like I would have liked the

1076
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:13,000
story more that they just they just had their own children.

1077
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 12: It's like a weird thing to not like confirm in

1078
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,599
the movie if they weren't doing.

1079
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 13: That, and I'm sure it's around it.

1080
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:20,519
Speaker 12: Yeah, And like I don't know if this movie was

1081
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:24,159
a box office success, but if they were like doing

1082
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:27,239
sequel bait kind of stuff and it was a success, well,

1083
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,440
they didn't make the sequel until twenty years later, so

1084
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:36,320
twenty five years later pretty much. Yeah, Taylor, what's your theory? Oh?

1085
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 3: Man, I I honestly don't think that they were at

1086
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,480
all thinking of a sequel for this, and so the

1087
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:49,360
idea that they're kind of building off like well, let's say, okay, hypothetically,

1088
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,159
because I don't know for sure if this is the

1089
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:52,920
Sun and they're building off of a story of this

1090
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,960
being the son of both Maximus and that uh.

1091
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:02,119
Speaker 11: And Caesar sister Silla Lucilla. Yes, I I don't know.

1092
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:05,000
I don't see it. I took it as watched this movie.

1093
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:05,960
They had a.

1094
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: Relationship, they went their separate ways, they had kids with

1095
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,679
other people, and then you know, so forth here we are.

1096
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:17,159
So I don't I don't really prescribe to the idea

1097
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:19,400
that yes, Lucius is his son.

1098
00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:20,679
Speaker 11: I just think it's.

1099
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, it'll be very weird if the

1100
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:28,360
sequel is like, yeah, this is Lucius and then Lucius

1101
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,679
wears Maximus's armors, like yeah, your father was Maximus. It's like, ah, well,

1102
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,719
they're just reckconning.

1103
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 13: I feel a little bit.

1104
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:35,039
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1105
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 12: I hope they don't be like, oh, yeah, people love

1106
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,119
this movie and love Maximus as a character, so we

1107
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:42,159
want to make like his offspring part of this movie.

1108
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:43,880
Like I don't think people would care about that, you know,

1109
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:45,880
they just want like a cool, new, interesting story that

1110
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,559
is still following in the events and like the world

1111
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:50,320
that we set up here. But I don't think we

1112
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,800
need like to have his son in there for people

1113
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,159
to care.

1114
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 13: Definitely not Yeah.

1115
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:57,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, it's not pulling me.

1116
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:02,159
Speaker 13: In, me out. Actually got him out of there.

1117
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: Well you you mentioned, you know, back in this time

1118
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,480
people having all their relationships and stuff like that, and

1119
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,840
I just think that I don't even know where I

1120
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,440
was going. I just I was gonna steer that into

1121
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,239
the men being gladiators and fighting in the arena and

1122
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,159
all that, but didn't make any sense at all.

1123
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 13: That's great transition we'll get of infidelity.

1124
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:25,559
Speaker 11: Let's get into the gladiators.

1125
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,119
Speaker 3: You wanted to talk about the fighting, right, Dylan, some

1126
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:29,440
of the fight stuff that was going on.

1127
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,119
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think we definitely should because that's definitely a

1128
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:34,920
big i'd say selling point of these movies is the

1129
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,559
big gladiatorial battles. I think for the most part, they did.

1130
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,719
They did work, and I like them. I like the

1131
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,000
different set pieces. I like the different setups like you have,

1132
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:46,280
like the Battle of the Fall of Carthage. I think

1133
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,679
that was kind of a fun setting thing. I think

1134
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,960
for me, it was mostly just the whoever was holding

1135
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,960
that damn camera. I was not a big fan of

1136
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,840
the way a lot of these things were shot. I

1137
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,360
just felt like the camera was often very zoomed in,

1138
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,800
like I'm looking at Maximus' back and like his arm

1139
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,719
little bit a lot of shaky cam, which you know,

1140
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,239
if you've ever listened to Geekers for you know, I

1141
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,559
fucking hate shaky cam in general. But the mix of

1142
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:08,199
like a lot of zooms in, a lot of shaky cam,

1143
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,440
and I just feel like a lot of quick cuts

1144
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,280
as well that it made it like for certain battles

1145
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,800
like I forget his name's like Titus or Titan, you know,

1146
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,960
like the he's never lost a battle that bring in

1147
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,519
that big guy. I like just the way that that

1148
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,920
battle was cut. I couldn't like follow the flow of

1149
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,920
it as like an actual battle with momentum. It just

1150
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,199
felt like, Okay, here's one quick sequence for like five seconds,

1151
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:32,920
and then like it could be like a minute later,

1152
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,599
here's like another part of the fight, and we're kind

1153
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:36,920
of just stitching it all together. So I just wanted

1154
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,159
a bit more cohesion. I think some of the battles

1155
00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:41,480
are able to achieve that. And then lastly, and this

1156
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:43,000
is one of the things that's just like, Okay, the

1157
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,760
movie hasn't aged amazingly well. Is like the really cheesy

1158
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,880
slow mo, which I'm sure like so fucking badass in

1159
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,159
the year two thousand, but it just looks so bad today.

1160
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,480
And so the combination of the shaky cam, the SloMo,

1161
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:56,360
and like the weird zoom ins it. I think some

1162
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,559
of the fights, particularly the more intimate ones, I think

1163
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:01,760
I wanted a bit more, But I think generally the

1164
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,679
big set PC ones like the one where like all

1165
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,760
the all of them are huddled together with their shield

1166
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,960
around and like they got the chariots going around that

1167
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,840
fight is really great for the most part, and there

1168
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,320
are other highlights with like individual moments, but I think overall,

1169
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,880
I just wanted someone else holding holding that camera, or

1170
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,920
like maybe a different editor, like picking the different shots

1171
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,119
that were a bit more that are a little bit better.

1172
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:24,719
So I'm curious to see what that looks like in

1173
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,519
the sequel years. Obviously the same director, but I imagine

1174
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:31,440
it's maybe a different cinematographer, different editors and things. I

1175
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,159
know there's a lot of different people behind the scenes,

1176
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,000
like Ridley Scott's obviously back, but that seems like about it,

1177
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:39,639
and even a couple actors. But anyway, Yeah, that was

1178
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:42,119
that was kind of my overall thoughts of the battles.

1179
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:48,039
Speaker 13: Yeah, I I feel like this time around that was

1180
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:50,280
actually like the lowest point of the movie for me.

1181
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,559
Was like the actual combat sequences. I like the setup

1182
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:55,480
of the combat and the lead up to it. I

1183
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:57,079
like when they're like the first time they're going out

1184
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,559
there and the guy's just pissing his pants, is pissing

1185
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:01,920
his tuning right in front of Maximus and.

1186
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 12: Just like.

1187
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,599
Speaker 13: Just like putting us on ground level of like in

1188
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:08,639
the trenches coming out and you don't even know what

1189
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:10,400
the fuck you're gonna see. And like when the first

1190
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,960
time they go into the into the coliseum and maxims like,

1191
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:17,760
no matter what's out there, just stick together, Like it

1192
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,000
could be fucking unicorns flying from the skies, Like no

1193
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,079
matter what it is, let's just stick together and we'll

1194
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:26,679
be better together. And they go out there's like lions

1195
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,280
and there's there's just like just crazy stuff that you

1196
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,559
wouldn't even expect to see on a regular battlefield. And

1197
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,679
I like that aspect of it. But when we actually

1198
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:37,920
get down to like you said, when big giant man

1199
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,400
Titus comes out, it like I that scene was so

1200
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:45,360
much lesser than I remember it being. And I remember

1201
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,639
just loving the look of Titus when he's got like

1202
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:49,800
the mask with the ear drop thing or the ear

1203
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:50,920
drop the eye drop.

1204
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 12: Seem as Juggernaut from X three.

1205
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 13: That's fair great physique, you know, like like it just

1206
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:02,480
a big build up moment, but when they're actually clashy

1207
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,760
and it's just like, okay, there's there's not much to this.

1208
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,920
I'd rather go see Dune part two, you know, see

1209
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,039
Paula Tred's or someone else. I can't remember his name.

1210
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,039
I can't remember the ball guy's name right now. It's

1211
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:16,159
been too long, so see that. But like, I don't know,

1212
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:17,760
it's just the hand to hand was a little bit

1213
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,599
lesser than I remember being. And even in like the

1214
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:21,960
early portions of the movie when we're seeing the battle

1215
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,239
going on, I like the scale of it, but like

1216
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,800
the hand to hand combat is nothing really you know.

1217
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 12: Do you mean like the sorry, the first battle like

1218
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,880
a Germania like the Woods battle. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.

1219
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 13: Like when Marcus Aureli is still alive, like when it's

1220
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,159
actually like the full line.

1221
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,679
Speaker 12: I think I was very with that part. I was

1222
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,840
just so anytime we watched like an older movie and like,

1223
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,360
oh yeah, they're actual horses here and there's like actually

1224
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,880
three hundred actors and not just like CGI stuff. That's

1225
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,719
that's what was like getting me. It was like, ah, look,

1226
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:51,960
it's great to have like what feels like a very authentic, yeah,

1227
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,360
tribute to like I don't know what the scale of

1228
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,679
something like this could actually look like.

1229
00:56:56,119 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 13: You got the dog in there too. It's like, man,

1230
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,840
it's impressive, like real dog, real horses, like running tigers,

1231
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,079
so dangerous.

1232
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 12: Butler or what's his name, real Gerard Butler.

1233
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 13: Yeah, he donated some of his splash. But yeah, overall

1234
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,280
combat a little bit, a little bit lesser, but yeah,

1235
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,880
just interesting, how like you age like a movie. In

1236
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,320
my mind, this was such an action movie and now

1237
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,760
it's like not even about that, Like it's about like

1238
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,920
the philosophical ideas and just the struggle of what, you know,

1239
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:27,800
what makes a man like important? So yeah, that's fun.

1240
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 3: You mentioned there that line when Russell Crow is like, oh,

1241
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:35,840
whatever comes, whatever's the other side of that gate, like

1242
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:42,960
stand together? I was just thinking it reminds me of

1243
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,679
of h Gandalf when he's in ministeriis and totally he's like,

1244
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:49,199
whatever comes to that.

1245
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:50,719
Speaker 11: Gate, you'll stand your crowd.

1246
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 12: This is.

1247
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:55,519
Speaker 11: Cave troll.

1248
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just such a like god damn, Like

1249
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,559
I don't know, the just the courage.

1250
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:05,159
Speaker 11: And you have this one guy who's like what does

1251
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:06,199
he say? Russell Crowe?

1252
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 3: He's like, how many of you have military experience? And

1253
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,840
they all like look at him, like what, and then

1254
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,519
he just like rallies them together and he's like stand together,

1255
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,800
shields up, and he's given them orders. But then you

1256
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,480
got like the one, two, maybe three random fucos that are.

1257
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 11: Off on their own, like you guys are idiots? What

1258
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,079
are you doing out there?

1259
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 12: And the show when the one lady on the cherryt

1260
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,639
gets like cut in half, it's very iconic, two thousands practical,

1261
00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:36,480
so it like goes for her. Uh yeah, she's like

1262
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:38,719
still as a board as she like tumbles to the ground.

1263
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:42,840
In two parts, I really liked the I think zucker

1264
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,199
Bar is the name of the place that Proximo that's

1265
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:50,280
where his his ring is, his colosseum. I really like

1266
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,840
that match where a lot they were all kind of

1267
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,280
strapped together with another member, and that's where you have

1268
00:58:55,719 --> 00:58:58,800
Jubat Giant Huntshu's character, which is like, why is this

1269
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,880
guy just in every single movie He's like everywhere, which

1270
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,400
I which I love. But I really liked their dynamic

1271
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,800
and I thought that was like that led to some

1272
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,519
really fun choreography of their chain together and they at

1273
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:10,199
one point they like knocked the guy over by just

1274
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,440
bringing the chain into him. And then like the classic uh,

1275
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:15,960
the one like huge guy is paired with that the

1276
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,159
guy who was like pissing himself, and he just like

1277
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,039
he gots he gets taken up pretty quick and then

1278
00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:21,400
he just like chops his hand off and then he

1279
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,719
like uses his hand it's like a flail pretty much.

1280
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,880
So I thought that that fight just led to some

1281
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,280
really fun uh choreography in general, because it was a

1282
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,320
more like a restrained sort of fight and there was,

1283
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,159
you know, more than two people, So I thought that

1284
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:40,400
one was like a highlight as well. Yeah, totally, And yeah,

1285
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,360
I thought I thought that element of like Proximo, I

1286
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,280
really liked Proximo, and I couldn't really articulate why in

1287
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,000
the way I can articulate why I like these other

1288
00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:51,360
characters so much. Just somebody about the performance. I thought

1289
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,119
was really good and I liked that he was kind

1290
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:56,280
of that mentor and he obviously has a lot of respect.

1291
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,800
He sees what Maximus is capable of, but he kind

1292
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,360
of encourages him to play up the crowd angle of

1293
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,239
it and not just go for the win. Of of

1294
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,800
course he got a win or else you're just dead,

1295
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,320
but to do both and that's why he was considered

1296
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,000
such a great fighter back in the day when he

1297
01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:12,559
was still doing it. So, yeah, I like Proximal. He's

1298
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:14,360
a character. He was a fun, fun side character.

1299
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:18,519
Speaker 13: Yeah, I really like Proximally. I feel like he's I

1300
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:22,920
feel like he's more like layered than he seems as well, right,

1301
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,480
because he's like when you first meet him, he's just

1302
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:27,760
like he's just a slave owner, Like he just deals

1303
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,559
with people and like people's currency, and like it's just

1304
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,079
like he doesn't care if they liver or as long

1305
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:34,360
as they make a money. Well, I guess he wants

1306
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,239
them to live to make money, but if they are

1307
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:38,599
to die, you know, go out dramatically for the for

1308
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:42,760
the show, and that's how it starts. And then it

1309
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,639
seems like, Okay, he's just he's just with like Maximus

1310
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:47,239
because he's making a money and he's all hype, you know,

1311
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,000
he's like, oh man, I really score, Like this guy's

1312
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,679
gonna make me so much dough. And it seems like

1313
01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:54,159
that is the main focus for like a good portion

1314
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:57,480
of the relationship until it gets to the point and

1315
01:00:57,639 --> 01:00:59,599
and you know, like he has given him good lessons

1316
01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:01,719
of like it's not just about being the best fighter,

1317
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,000
like I wasn't the best fighter. You gotta win the crowd,

1318
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:07,320
and the crowd like those are the ones that literally

1319
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,480
like save you live or die right when theyre when

1320
01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:12,280
it goes to uh comtists with the with the thumbs,

1321
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,639
you know, shouts out to Emma Frosts and her thumbs.

1322
01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:17,280
But in this case, it's it's depending on what the

1323
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,079
crowd says is what lives or dies. So like, I

1324
01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:23,239
just I really liked his lessons there. But then it

1325
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:26,320
gets to a point when he starts to kind of

1326
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,599
realize of like what's going on and like what's like

1327
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:31,639
and then of course Maximus kind of tells him the

1328
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:34,800
plan there and very easily, like he could have just

1329
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,480
traded him in, right, Like okay, well, I'm probably gonna

1330
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,480
get a bounty if I just like reveal this to

1331
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:44,280
comtists or whatever. But it still seems like he, in

1332
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,239
the back of his mind believes in like those those

1333
01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:50,039
Roman ideals and like and like the true idea of

1334
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:52,760
what Rome is. And maybe it's just because he's forgotten

1335
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,280
about it because he's been so caught up and just

1336
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:57,440
his day to day job of being, you know, like

1337
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,519
a slave owner. And I I just feel like Maximus

1338
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:05,239
sparked something inside of him and kind of like reawoke

1339
01:02:05,239 --> 01:02:08,480
in that gladiator in him, Like like it's very courageous

1340
01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:10,519
of what he did, even though he wasn't in the pit.

1341
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,199
It's just being the guy that's like, you know what,

1342
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:14,920
I'm gonna let you out of the gate here, Like

1343
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,960
I know I'm gonna die, but like that is the

1344
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,639
proper thing to do. And he and he holds like

1345
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:21,159
his his wooden sword that he won when when he

1346
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:24,119
became a free man, and it's just like he's proud

1347
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,360
dying that way. And even though he had all this

1348
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:29,960
bounty of money, I'm sure he had like different properties

1349
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,519
and he's a pretty plump guy, like he was eating

1350
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:35,079
well more so than other people that were alive in

1351
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:37,880
that time. But but like he still was just like, no,

1352
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,400
that is the proper thing to do. So I just

1353
01:02:41,519 --> 01:02:44,039
love the evolution of the character on He's He's not

1354
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:46,119
like a main character by any means in the show,

1355
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:48,559
but he's a very important piece too, I think, just

1356
01:02:48,599 --> 01:02:51,519
the overall puzzle of the story. So yeah, I really

1357
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:54,719
appreciate proximists a lot more on this viewing for sure.

1358
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,239
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Speaker 3: Yes, Proximo is uh He's definitely a big transitioning character

1462
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,320
because I feel like when you first meet him, he's

1463
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fighting with this other slave owner over it, just like

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what he owes money on direct.

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Speaker 11: From the Mummy, guy from the Mummy. Yeah, yeah, hear.

1466
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Speaker 13: Did the Mummy come out too? Because it seemed like

1467
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he went from one set to the other, like you look,

1468
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,560
the exact same age.

1469
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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's good to see.

1470
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 11: Him in there. Yeah.

1471
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Speaker 3: So he he just goes from being this like money

1472
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,439
kind of like slaver guy, and after that he transitions

1473
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,479
into just like, you guys are all going to die

1474
01:08:44,039 --> 01:08:45,800
and it's going to benefit me. But as you die,

1475
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,560
you're gonna just hear like clapping noises and stuff like that.

1476
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 11: You just you don't have to explain what that was like, Yeah,

1477
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:56,680
you just you.

1478
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,279
Speaker 3: Don't like him at the start, but then he sees

1479
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:03,640
what Maximus is doing and thinks, Okay, well now they're

1480
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,079
doing this big assembly thing, and he just believes in Maximus,

1481
01:09:07,079 --> 01:09:09,920
and I like how he's just you understand it. He

1482
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,119
was a gladiator himself, and he kind of he got

1483
01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:15,439
out of the he got out of that world of fighting,

1484
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,640
but he earned his freedom and just when he's just

1485
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,880
he sells the scene when he's talking about how he

1486
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:26,359
was not directly like, didn't directly meet Caesar, which is again,

1487
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,479
Maximus is Caesar, but the Caesar like acknowledged him, I guess,

1488
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,479
or something like that. And it's just it was such

1489
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,680
a for him. This was like him meeting God. That

1490
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,840
was such an important moment of his life. And he

1491
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,279
was bestowed this wooden sword with his name on it.

1492
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:42,399
So just really really cool. And yeah, it's it's sad

1493
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,039
that he gets killed off at the the end there,

1494
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:48,039
but yeah, just a really really good character and I'm

1495
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:51,279
glad that he turned around and decided to help Maximus

1496
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:51,760
with his plan.

1497
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:58,520
Speaker 12: Mhm. Did did anything stand out to you guys about

1498
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,159
the music of this movie?

1499
01:10:02,359 --> 01:10:06,239
Speaker 13: It felt, Uh, I've watched a lot of Daredevil between

1500
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,399
now and when I watched that, So I do remember though,

1501
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,119
watching this and thinking, yes, this reminds me of something

1502
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:14,319
very very familiar. What is it?

1503
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 11: What is it?

1504
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 12: You couldn't You couldn't place it in the moment where

1505
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:23,800
you're watching, is it? Taylor? Did it stand to Oh?

1506
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 11: No, I am out to lunch on this one.

1507
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:29,159
Speaker 12: Okay, it's Pirates of the Caribbean. Baby, It is the

1508
01:10:29,159 --> 01:10:32,840
theme of Pirates of the Caribbean minus like a note,

1509
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,479
And so I looked into this. This movie is composed composed,

1510
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,520
there's two composers, Lisa Gerard, not Gerard Bart but someone

1511
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,319
named Lisa Gerard, and Hans Zimmer is on here too,

1512
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,479
and then Pirates is Hans Zimmer. It's hard. I was

1513
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,960
looking into this a lot, and apparently Hans Zimmer like

1514
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:52,239
is partly responsible for like some of the Pirates music,

1515
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,760
but one of the things is that he wrote the theme.

1516
01:10:55,239 --> 01:10:57,199
Apparently he wrote it just like in a night into

1517
01:10:57,239 --> 01:10:59,199
like some crazy night and then he like sent it

1518
01:10:59,239 --> 01:11:01,439
off to the main comp the Pirates movies and like

1519
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,880
kind of let him take credit. But like, Hans Zimmer

1520
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,079
actually wrote that, And so I was cackling. I'm like, man,

1521
01:11:07,119 --> 01:11:10,079
the theme of this fucking movie is one note off

1522
01:11:10,119 --> 01:11:12,760
of Pirates. It is the exact same He just copied

1523
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,119
his homework for Pirates, which is so funny because that

1524
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:17,359
is one of the most iconic like movie themes of

1525
01:11:17,399 --> 01:11:19,640
all time, and the fact that it actually is kind

1526
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,399
of just ripping off one of his earlier scores I

1527
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:26,119
find hilarious. So that I was looking up, like, am

1528
01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:27,560
I the only one who heard this or that other

1529
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,520
people hear it now, Like there's all sorts of Reddit

1530
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,840
threads and people talking about this and talking about how

1531
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,079
it happened. But it was just hilarious to me how

1532
01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:38,159
similar it was. So yeah, what go back after this

1533
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:40,560
and on YouTube, just listen to the Pirates then listen

1534
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,880
to the that. I'm sure someone has a comparison video

1535
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,920
on YouTube. It is hilarious how close they are, like

1536
01:11:46,039 --> 01:11:49,520
these same core notes of that theme is just yeah,

1537
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,439
one to one, It's freaking hilarious. So show just to

1538
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:53,960
Hans Zimmer, you know when you got it, You got it,

1539
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,600
when you wrote a good theme, use it again? Why not?

1540
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm actually quite astounded by that. I was

1541
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,439
just I just did a quick google and I see

1542
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,159
a bunch of articles people like anyone noticed the two

1543
01:12:09,239 --> 01:12:12,640
themes are very similar. That's hilarious. That blows my mind.

1544
01:12:13,239 --> 01:12:18,079
Speaker 12: Yeah, good stuff. I just have a couple other couple

1545
01:12:18,079 --> 01:12:21,039
other points here for myself. One is I I really

1546
01:12:22,119 --> 01:12:25,119
I really like the the way that they make the

1547
01:12:25,119 --> 01:12:28,239
Colosseum almost like a character or like just the mythos

1548
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,680
around the Colosseum. I forget what the first shot that

1549
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,800
we see it as But one section I really liked

1550
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:35,800
is when I think it's colmonists like up in his

1551
01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:38,439
up in his quarters, and he's like looking at a

1552
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,520
diorama of the Colosseum, and then that kind of like

1553
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,640
fades into a shot like a top down shot of

1554
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,880
the actual Colisseum, and just like seeing the scale, especially

1555
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,920
at that point we've we've seen Zuckerbar, We've seen Proximo's

1556
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,319
tiny little ring compared to the Colosseum. And then I

1557
01:12:53,359 --> 01:12:57,199
think that we cut when we cut back to Maximus

1558
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:59,640
and Juba and their first time getting into the city

1559
01:13:00,039 --> 01:13:02,319
and like looking up at this colsum and it's just

1560
01:13:02,319 --> 01:13:05,520
like so huge, and getting it from like their perspective

1561
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,319
as like just a little guy looking up at this

1562
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,640
huge monument was really cool. So I thought that was

1563
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:14,239
I like this kind of cinematography around that. And then

1564
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:17,279
my last quick show here is I just love that

1565
01:13:17,359 --> 01:13:21,960
sequence when they're about to execute Maximus after he has

1566
01:13:22,039 --> 01:13:25,199
kind of gone against Calmunus's wishes, and you have that

1567
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:27,000
scene in the woods when they're going to take him out,

1568
01:13:27,239 --> 01:13:28,760
and then of course he like gets out of his

1569
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,119
trap and starts battling, and then like the one guy

1570
01:13:31,119 --> 01:13:33,640
that can't pull his sword out and he's like Frost

1571
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,880
sometimes it makes the blade stick. And I just love

1572
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,000
that line. It wasn't it just shows like how expert

1573
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,279
of a fighter it is that he would know that

1574
01:13:42,319 --> 01:13:44,399
little detail and going into this battle and I'm sure

1575
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,439
when he's like walking out to the woods just planning,

1576
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,119
like how is this fight gonna go, he's like expecting

1577
01:13:49,159 --> 01:13:51,279
that to happen. It just yeah, it's one of those

1578
01:13:51,279 --> 01:13:53,399
things early on in the movie that shows you, yeah,

1579
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,159
he is just an outstanding fighter, like he is kind

1580
01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:58,399
of top top notch. So I really like that section.

1581
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 11: Yeah that Oh go ahead, you go ahead.

1582
01:14:03,079 --> 01:14:06,399
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say that that fight scene, yeah, after

1583
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:10,800
the post Frost moment. It just I don't know what

1584
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,479
it is with just sequences like that with flying swords

1585
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,239
just always gets me because.

1586
01:14:15,039 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 11: Like, what do you do?

1587
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 3: You got this big, like heavy piece of metal and

1588
01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:23,159
it just it's a sound effect too. It's like when

1589
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:26,079
you see this fucking sword and yeah, it just impales you.

1590
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:29,199
It's like, God damn you just you're done. There's nothing,

1591
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:30,680
there's nothing you can do with that.

1592
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 13: I catch it, I just catch it, catch it by

1593
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:34,880
the blade.

1594
01:14:35,359 --> 01:14:37,159
Speaker 12: Wasn't that a shot and glad of your two trailers.

1595
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:39,239
Like someone throws a spear or shoots an arrow up

1596
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:41,039
at one of the guys in the box grabs it

1597
01:14:41,079 --> 01:14:42,079
with his hand, right.

1598
01:14:43,079 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 13: You gotta put in your bow shoot it back. That's

1599
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:51,079
like the class very much. So uh yeah, No, Maximus

1600
01:14:51,119 --> 01:14:53,039
was was fantastic. Didn't say a lot about them, but

1601
01:14:53,079 --> 01:14:55,479
I feel like Crow was just really really great. Another

1602
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,479
scene that I really really love in this movie is

1603
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,880
like the first time that the Spaniard like wins in

1604
01:15:02,119 --> 01:15:04,520
the in the you know, in the ring, and commonists

1605
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,359
like I must meet this man goes down there and

1606
01:15:08,119 --> 01:15:09,600
you know, like they all get these rules like don't

1607
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,600
ever turn your back to the caesar, like it's basically

1608
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,119
life or death situation, and he just does not give

1609
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:18,640
a fuck. And like in that in that moment, like

1610
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,119
he picks up the arrowhead right like this is gonna

1611
01:15:21,159 --> 01:15:24,079
be his assassination moment. Like in his mind, all he

1612
01:15:24,119 --> 01:15:26,079
has to do is get up to commonists stab him

1613
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,840
in the throat. And honestly, if Lucius wasn't there, he

1614
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,880
probably would have done it. He probably would like if

1615
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,079
like if Lucius didn't come down right, Like that's kind

1616
01:15:32,079 --> 01:15:34,720
of when he recoiled a little bit with the uh

1617
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,680
or not recoiled he maybe, yeah, got a lot of

1618
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,760
the rings quotes in my mind, I have no thief,

1619
01:15:41,039 --> 01:15:43,920
but but yeah, like I feel like if Lucius didn't

1620
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,479
come down there, like he would have just shoved that

1621
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,840
right into the throat of Commonists and that would have

1622
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,960
been that he would have been murdered right then and there.

1623
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,680
But he would have just gone to his family and

1624
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,880
known that, you know, vengeance is complete. Like he took

1625
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,399
out Commonist, that was his goal. But by the end

1626
01:15:58,399 --> 01:16:01,479
of the movie, like his goal and what he accomplishes

1627
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,520
is just so much more significant than just a revenge tale, right,

1628
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:09,119
Like he literally changes the entire outcome of like Roman

1629
01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:12,000
life and moving forward, Like, like what happens if Commonist

1630
01:16:12,079 --> 01:16:17,000
does just stay as the tyrannical ruler? Right he gets

1631
01:16:17,079 --> 01:16:20,119
like five children from his sister. They're all looking fucked

1632
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:22,600
up because they're all ancestral children. But like he just

1633
01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:25,439
like what could have happened, right for like the people

1634
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,840
living for yeah, Like literally, I mean he probably would

1635
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:30,079
have been.

1636
01:16:30,079 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 12: Like breakout and kill everyone.

1637
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 13: He probably would have been murdering in his throne room.

1638
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,720
I imagine just assassinating. I feel like that's the way

1639
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,000
a little lot of tyrannical rulers go. But yeah, I know,

1640
01:16:39,079 --> 01:16:42,239
I I just really liked how that moment would have

1641
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:45,119
been the end of his tail, but like just holding

1642
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:48,199
back there or turning it, turning his back and like

1643
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:50,840
the immediate just like anger that comes out of commons,

1644
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,520
like how dare you even do that? And he takes

1645
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,680
off his helmet and then he just like straight up

1646
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,520
says like I'm this person, you know, I am the

1647
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,680
true Like uh, what does he say? A like follower

1648
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,000
of the one true ruler Marcus Aurelius, like right in

1649
01:17:03,039 --> 01:17:06,800
his face, basically just discounting the legitimacy of the of

1650
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,199
the ruler right in front of him, the most significant

1651
01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:11,560
person in the entire great city of Rome. And he's

1652
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,039
just like talking down to him. And Communists can't do

1653
01:17:14,119 --> 01:17:16,880
anything because the people are just like, oh my god,

1654
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,199
this is like reality TV right now. Like imagine being

1655
01:17:19,239 --> 01:17:22,239
a viewer, you know, like in that era, Like that's

1656
01:17:22,279 --> 01:17:24,680
like hit reality TV right there.

1657
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 12: It's just you're just like imagining what's being said.

1658
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 3: I got the I got the quote here free Kirkland,

1659
01:17:32,199 --> 01:17:35,239
because yeah, he turns around My name is Maximus Decimus Mridius,

1660
01:17:35,319 --> 01:17:37,279
Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the

1661
01:17:37,279 --> 01:17:40,520
Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true Emperor Marcus Aurelius,

1662
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,760
father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife,

1663
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,680
and I will have my vengeance in this Like.

1664
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,199
Speaker 13: Holy fuck chills, chills, just as sure as the rock

1665
01:17:49,239 --> 01:17:51,359
scot chills already. That's that's what I got when you're

1666
01:17:51,359 --> 01:17:54,880
reading that. But yeah, I just love how intent that

1667
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,439
moment is. And then immediately after right like uh, communist leaves,

1668
01:17:59,159 --> 01:18:02,960
it's like him whinying to one of his his his whoever,

1669
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,039
one of his people that listen to him, Like I

1670
01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:08,600
can't kill him because I will not make a martyr

1671
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,439
out of him, Like he's just such a whiny brat

1672
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,960
in those scenes. But yeah, no, I just want to

1673
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,319
show that scene really really good.

1674
01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 3: Uh interesting how because when you see the intro and

1675
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,119
the startup with Maximus and he's got his it looked

1676
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:24,920
like he was two in like sub general's like lieutenants

1677
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:26,800
working under him, but mainly just the one who becomes

1678
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,439
kind of a focus. That one who is the focus

1679
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:34,159
is the guy that kind of like after Aurelius's death.

1680
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,520
This one guy who you thought was Maximus's friend ends

1681
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,880
up just saying, okay, take his sword. You're not leaving, Like,

1682
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,840
take him out into the woods, walk him till sunlight

1683
01:18:43,159 --> 01:18:45,600
or first light, and then execute him. And then he

1684
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,920
ends up becoming commonist is like right hand guy, like

1685
01:18:49,079 --> 01:18:51,399
soldier I guess of the prematory and guards right. And

1686
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,319
it's funny how at the end he's the one too

1687
01:18:53,359 --> 01:18:58,439
that just kind of like surper is against commonests when

1688
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,920
he's like, oh, I'm not giving you a so everyone.

1689
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:01,560
Speaker 10: Sheathe your swords.

1690
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 3: And then yeah, I just thought it was interesting how

1691
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,319
his betrayal kind of turned around.

1692
01:19:09,319 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 12: Yeah, well said hell, yes, yeah, is there anything else

1693
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,000
you guys have or do you want me to drop

1694
01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:18,079
some trivia on you? I got nothing left on my

1695
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:19,640
ancient tablet here.

1696
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 13: Yeah, no more scripture on my runs.

1697
01:19:23,319 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 11: Okay.

1698
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 3: So Oliver Reid he's the actor that played Proximo. He

1699
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:33,680
died three weeks before principal photography ended. Because Proximo was

1700
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,439
considered a key character, a clause in the movie's insurance

1701
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,920
contract would have allowed the filmmakers to reshoot all of

1702
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,479
his scenes with another actor. At the insurer's expense about

1703
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,239
twenty five million. However, most of the actors and crew

1704
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:48,680
were exhausted from the punishing schedule, and Sir Ridley Scott

1705
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,479
did not want to cut Reid from the movie. The

1706
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,720
script was rewritten and a body double and CGI we

1707
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:58,479
used to give Read's character a plausible resolution. Interesting, interesting, Okay, Yeah.

1708
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,239
The opening battle scene was filled in Bourne Woods, Surrey, England.

1709
01:20:02,359 --> 01:20:06,079
The Royal forestryt Commission had originally slated the area for deforestation,

1710
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,680
so servidly Scott eagerly offered them his facilities to burn

1711
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,079
the woods to the ground, and the commission accepted.

1712
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:15,279
Speaker 12: So wow, that is insane.

1713
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,520
Speaker 13: Actually, that's wild.

1714
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, practical effects.

1715
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 3: Most notably, there have been rumors Mel Gibson was offered

1716
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,600
the role Maximus uh and he had turned it down.

1717
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,239
Gibson says he was too old to play Maximus. Scott

1718
01:20:30,319 --> 01:20:35,760
denies he was ever even offered the part. Sounds particularly

1719
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,880
also considered to play Maximus for Hugh Jackman and Antonio Banderaz.

1720
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:46,119
Speaker 12: Jackman. Hugh Jackman, that's a multiverse. I'd like to see

1721
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:47,720
what we got here.

1722
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:53,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, you alluded to this earlier. Kirkland Jack Gleeson

1723
01:20:53,399 --> 01:20:56,520
who models his character Joffrey brath In in Game of Thrones.

1724
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,560
Speaker 11: After Emperor comminas.

1725
01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:02,239
Speaker 13: Hey, there you go, similarities makes cooeah.

1726
01:21:02,319 --> 01:21:05,239
Speaker 3: Over the course the gladiatorial scenes, Russell Crowe lost all

1727
01:21:05,239 --> 01:21:07,720
feeling in his right forefinger for two years after a

1728
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,680
sword fight. Aggravaden and Achilles tendon injury, broke a foot bone,

1729
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,239
cracked a hip bone, and popped a few bicep tendons

1730
01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:15,079
out of their sockets.

1731
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 13: That's nothing what the Dragon Chrome crew has.

1732
01:21:19,399 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 12: Yeah, but you'll notice Comtists has no injury. Is classic walking?

1733
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:31,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, gian Nina Facio Hope, I'm saying that right. Who

1734
01:21:31,279 --> 01:21:34,239
played the wife of Maximus actually married Sir Ridley Scott

1735
01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:35,479
in twenty fifteen.

1736
01:21:37,199 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 13: The Boy years later.

1737
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, This movie started shooting without a lock screenplay in place.

1738
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,079
According to Russell Crowe, the initial draft was so bad that,

1739
01:21:46,119 --> 01:21:48,239
when he was approaching the lead role, not even the

1740
01:21:48,279 --> 01:21:50,600
producer wanted to send him a copy, afraid that he

1741
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,600
wouldn't respond to it. Crowe was instead urged to meet

1742
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,880
with the director, Ridley Scott first, But unbeknownst to the producer,

1743
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,039
crow had already attained a copy of the script and

1744
01:21:59,079 --> 01:22:01,319
disliked it. But it was went over by Scott's take

1745
01:22:01,319 --> 01:22:03,319
on the project as well as Calvius rewrites.

1746
01:22:04,199 --> 01:22:07,319
Speaker 12: Man. That is interesting because I do I feel like

1747
01:22:07,359 --> 01:22:09,079
it's a very well written movie. But I guess, you know,

1748
01:22:09,079 --> 01:22:10,840
those rewrits is where it rewrites.

1749
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,079
Speaker 13: I suppose think it's not always the case. You know,

1750
01:22:13,119 --> 01:22:15,039
sometimes when there's a lot of rewrits or something, it's

1751
01:22:15,079 --> 01:22:16,920
like a bad sign, like it's gonna be a bit

1752
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,159
of a mess. But this case it worked out.

1753
01:22:20,039 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 3: That's the way with Blade, right, all those rewrites not

1754
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:22,880
a thing?

1755
01:22:23,359 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 11: Or is it just directors?

1756
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 12: Yeah, rewrits director the movie. So it's a mess for sure.

1757
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 13: Mike Blade Runner. That was oh right, Blade, Yeah, that

1758
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:33,239
was removie.

1759
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:38,399
Speaker 3: The Germania Battle sequence took twenty days to complete. And

1760
01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:42,399
my last fact here the film Gladiator had a budget

1761
01:22:42,399 --> 01:22:44,760
of one hundred and three million and grossed four dre

1762
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:49,640
and sixty five million at the box office. So it

1763
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:55,199
did pretty good. Yeah, not too shabby. Yah.

1764
01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:59,159
Speaker 11: Yeah, there you go, Crow Scott, now here we are

1765
01:22:59,359 --> 01:22:59,880
second one.

1766
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 12: I'd be curious to go check out an interview and see, like,

1767
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:06,359
why all these years later it was now the right

1768
01:23:06,359 --> 01:23:08,720
time to do that sequel. I don't know if it's

1769
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,279
like because I don't think there's a ton of actors

1770
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:13,560
from this first one. I think Luscilla, like the mom,

1771
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,279
is in there, so I think she's still around. And

1772
01:23:17,279 --> 01:23:19,239
I don't know, like obviously aging wise, like are we

1773
01:23:19,319 --> 01:23:21,359
going twenty years in the future. I think we are

1774
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,960
because Lucius is like a man and he's like one

1775
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:25,319
of the main characters, right, and so.

1776
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 13: I'd like to see I feel like I've seen that

1777
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:29,640
trailer so many time for the second film, and all

1778
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,960
I can remember right now is just Denzel Washington's character,

1779
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,359
and I don't remember anything, which is nice. You know,

1780
01:23:34,359 --> 01:23:36,239
I'm gonna go into it pretty black. Yeah, yeah, it's

1781
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:37,199
still just kind of funny.

1782
01:23:38,119 --> 01:23:42,079
Speaker 12: Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's different writers, as we said,

1783
01:23:42,119 --> 01:23:44,600
like almost a fully new cast, So I don't know.

1784
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,359
It's gonna be one of those interesting sort of legacy

1785
01:23:47,399 --> 01:23:49,560
sequel kind of things where of course you still have

1786
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,359
the same director, but he's also quite the wild road

1787
01:23:52,399 --> 01:23:55,079
since the year two thousand. So I'm really curious to

1788
01:23:55,079 --> 01:23:58,520
see what kind of what the vibe is like generally speaking.

1789
01:23:58,199 --> 01:24:02,079
Speaker 13: You know Pirates Caribean theme right at the opening.

1790
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 12: Yep, I mean that's actually a good point because that

1791
01:24:05,079 --> 01:24:06,720
is kind of the theme of this movie pops up

1792
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,319
multiple times. So I wonder if they're going to reuse

1793
01:24:09,359 --> 01:24:11,239
that because now people be like, oh, I want to

1794
01:24:11,319 --> 01:24:14,199
rip off of Pirates because like no one remembers the

1795
01:24:14,199 --> 01:24:17,520
theme of this movie. But that would be a wild decision.

1796
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,159
I think it's I wonder I'm going to actually see

1797
01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:20,520
who they.

1798
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 3: Got that they got that sequence in here where the

1799
01:24:23,039 --> 01:24:25,399
arena the colseum fills up with water and they got

1800
01:24:25,399 --> 01:24:28,720
the boats here with the Pirates theme just full swing,

1801
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:31,159
fraidy to get wet.

1802
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,560
Speaker 12: Oh man, Yeah, I'm I'm gonna try and find real

1803
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,119
quick who the composer is of.

1804
01:24:40,039 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 13: I'll get my closing thoughts. Then that's an appropriate to it?

1805
01:24:43,119 --> 01:24:48,359
Do it? Do It? Do It Kill Her? Do It

1806
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:52,159
out a Rebel Moon? Part two? Yeah? I know this movie.

1807
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,840
This movie is fantastic. Man, I really really love this movie.

1808
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,199
I I think I would have it like my top

1809
01:25:01,239 --> 01:25:04,399
ten favorite movies of all time. But like for being

1810
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,640
just like a historical Like now, I see this more

1811
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:10,960
of a historical drama more so than like a like

1812
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:16,000
a an action movie, And I just think it does

1813
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:24,359
such a great job at telling like an inspirational taking

1814
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:28,239
like overthrowing a tyrant type of film. Like I just

1815
01:25:28,399 --> 01:25:30,399
really think that there's a lot of magic in this

1816
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:34,600
movie of just whether it's the costume designs or the

1817
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,439
scale of everything, the moving pieces that are in here,

1818
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:42,039
phenomenal actors, the run time that really just blows by.

1819
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,319
Brought that up earlier, just like the pacing is just

1820
01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:47,800
it's really smooth, it's really nice. Just it's just a

1821
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,720
nice movie to watch. So this is one that because

1822
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,840
like because it's probably been like over a decade since

1823
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,199
I've watched it. Like I think the last time I

1824
01:25:55,239 --> 01:25:56,640
did watch this movie probably would have been in that

1825
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,680
Grade eight history class, whatever it was. I feel like

1826
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,640
I'm gonna I'll be wanting to throw this one on

1827
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,880
actually more often, like I don't know, maybe a year

1828
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:07,199
or so. Just just get my Gladiator fixed and hopefully

1829
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:08,800
Gladier two is really really good and I can just

1830
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,960
do a nice little double feature thing there and yeah,

1831
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,680
I'm I'm definitely I would say my hype like spiked

1832
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:20,920
now going into the second movie. I was hopeful, especially

1833
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,319
just getting those earlier trailers. I feel like those kind

1834
01:26:23,319 --> 01:26:26,479
of reignited some of the magic and like, oh man, yeah,

1835
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,840
I'm ready for some gladiatorial battles. But now that I've

1836
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,560
gone through the first movie again, fucking ready, man, I'm ready,

1837
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,359
I'm ready for it. So yeah, I'm gonna I'll get

1838
01:26:36,359 --> 01:26:39,000
my tunic out or my toga whatever they're called, and

1839
01:26:39,079 --> 01:26:40,279
the that era.

1840
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 12: Leave your sword and shield at home, maybe.

1841
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,239
Speaker 13: I'll leave myself. I'll bring my grapes. I'm more of

1842
01:26:44,279 --> 01:26:47,319
a commedist type of role, you know in wartimes, as

1843
01:26:47,319 --> 01:26:47,920
opposed to a.

1844
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:49,399
Speaker 12: Maximum in front of someone's face.

1845
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,399
Speaker 13: I just picture that one robot from Futurama, you know,

1846
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:58,399
oh yeah whatever his name was, Yeah, but oh yeah,

1847
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,960
number rating? Uh ten? Why not?

1848
01:27:02,399 --> 01:27:05,520
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, so casually dropped a ten out of ten.

1849
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 13: That's crazy, dropped it like commodists.

1850
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1851
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 12: I did look it up, and it is a new

1852
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:16,640
composer for well, not a new he's he's an aged composer,

1853
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,720
but he it's someone different from the first one who

1854
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,920
just has like the funniest career did. He composed the

1855
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:28,479
music for Shrek, Spy Kids, Metal Gear, Solid Four, Call

1856
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:33,720
of Duty, Modern Warfare, Excellent Origins, Wolverine, the Martians. So

1857
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,520
he's worked at Ridley Scott before we got the Meg

1858
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:41,039
we got the Meg two, We've got a house of Gucci.

1859
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:45,319
So this guy is just he's everywhere, He's composing no

1860
01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:47,359
matter what the genre is, he is your guy.

1861
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:48,119
Speaker 9: Uh.

1862
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 12: That guy's name is Harry Gregson Williams, So we'll see

1863
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:55,760
what kind of music he drums up for the sequel here. Yeah,

1864
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,680
I had a really good time with this movie. It

1865
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,960
was a really good discussion to just break down some

1866
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,439
of these character things, and I think it was it

1867
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,720
was as you mentioned Kirkland, Like obviously I didn't have

1868
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,000
the nostalgic view of like loving the fight scenes back

1869
01:28:07,039 --> 01:28:09,319
in the day, but just seeing like, man, this movie

1870
01:28:09,359 --> 01:28:12,520
really did have a huge focus on on characters and writing,

1871
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:14,399
especially with all the rewrites. It's it's fun to hear

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Speaker 4: Four.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, I am just super super stoked for

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this sequel. I'm super stoked to just see how the

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technology is improved on everything we got to dive into

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fun and getting the lions in there, and getting all

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the different like chariots and all the fun little things.

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Speaker 12: There were tigers, tigers. There's lions in there.

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Speaker 13: There's lions and tigers. Everything in there.

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around in there. I I think it's gonna be it's

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gonna be a wild time. It's gonna be a good time.

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that sure as a little kid, I would have just

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least I can kind of follow along with the motives

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of the characters and just kind of see like, Okay,

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fill in the gaps a little bit more as supposed

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kill them and it's.

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Speaker 3: So don't mock me.

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Speaker 13: They'll mock me back in the day.

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after I watched the second one and yeah, that does it.

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