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Speaker 11: There you go.
Speaker 3: So, yes, we are here to talk Gladiator, the old
Russell Crow Ridley Scott's Gladiator. But before we get into that,
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Speaker 12: Is it a bit? Or is Taylor sick? The viewers
will never know.
Speaker 11: God, that's hilarious.
Speaker 13: He's working on a new role for a new acting
piece voice actor.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: I hear that they're looking for a uh what was it,
like a male in their thirties for James Bond.
Speaker 13: So yeah, I'm only a voice. They're only looking for
the voice, only the voice.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you'll just have to like infect yourself with disease
you always sound sick so that you have the voice
that they hired you for.
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Speaker 11: Well, this is a retro, so I don't know. I
guess it's dropping tomorrow on the public feeds.
Speaker 3: But what do you guys have to shout out anything
that's been going on, anything of interest?
Speaker 13: I had a nice newscast this week, which was nice.
Did a lot of trailer reviews that was lots of fun.
Did a nice side quest with the with the big
Dylan Muss love me right Now?
Speaker 12: Yeah, that was That was a juicy, juicy episode.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 13: Lengthy, Yeah, I too lengthy two man cast. So I'm
curious if this three is my first three men cast
of the week. I'm curiously it's gonna be shorter than
the last two and a half hour two men casts
I've been on.
Speaker 12: But and then obviously we're recording Goodfellows retrospective as well.
I don't know when that's gonna hit the free feeds,
but I definitely hit petron if you want to get
access to that. Nice and nice and soon should be discussion.
Speaker 11: Yes, definitely.
Speaker 3: Uh cool, Well let's uh, I mean, who wants? Who
wants to take it? We're gonna get into Gladiator. I
guess do you want to do non spoilers first? I
can't remember how we do it with retro kind of roll.
Speaker 12: In with a little non spoiler overall sort of song.
Speaker 13: At the end.
Speaker 12: I'll jump in here. So this is my first time
ever watching this movie. Yeah, I feel like in my mind,
I feel like I've always mixed up Gladiator in three
hundred and I've never seen either of those movies, and
I don't know why, because they like back in the day,
they seem like my cup of Tea, Like this is
very kind of Lord of the Rings adjacent in a sense,
and this came out around that same time period, So
I don't know why I have not seen it until now,
but I finally have, And Yeah, I really enjoyed my
time with this one. I think even going into the sequel,
like I don't know, I just really like the trailers
for that. I was like, I want to go watch
the first one, I want to watch the second one.
I'm into it for whatever reason. But yeah, I had
a really good time with this movie, and I think
it in some ways was exactly what I was expecting of,
just like Gladiator battles and stuff. But I think what
was surprising me and what I found that I liked
even more than that stuff was just the characters. Like
there's some really fun performances here, of course, like Walking Phoenix,
like I feel like in one of his earlier big roles,
like I don't know if it was one of his first,
but I feel like it was one of the ones
that put him on the map to a certain extent,
And I could be wrong about that, but it feels
that way. Uh, and some other characters and actors that
I haven't seen a whole lot before, and yeah, we're
also cool. Like I don't know, I feel like he's
just in the weirdest stuff these days. So it's fun
to go back to maybe like his prime or like
his most famous movie and see what he looked like
in this in this time period. Yeah, Like, everyone does
a really good job there. I think there's some interesting
like especially walking Phoenix's character, like that is not the
type of archetype I would expect for a movie like this,
and so I think it was really fun to see
what they went with here. So I'm excited to break
that down. And uh yeah, I mean I think they
do pretty good job with the like all the action stuff.
Of course, this was like a nice practical effects era
where they weren't just CGI and every horse and thing
in the background, so it feels very authentic in that way.
I didn't end up loving a lot of the fight scenes,
and we'll talk about why that is, which you know,
for a movie like this, I feel like that should
be one of the highlights. But overall I found like
this movie too, just like really good pacing. Just it
just flew by. And it's tricky when you have a
movie like this where like, Okay, it's historical, and we're
like building off of Okay, here's all these things that
happened in the past, your other other Seeson's other leaders,
all these wars, and you're kind of just thrown in
the middle of it, like there's no way not to
just be thrown in the middle of it, and like
a history story like this, But I think they did
a good job of just like if they're if they
didn't explain the things you need to know, even just
like the performances were like a little subtle details you
just filled in. You're just right in it right away.
So yeah, I I had a really surprisingly I don't
know if it's I don't know if surprising is the
right word, but I had a really good time with
this one all the way through.
Speaker 13: Hell yeah, yeah, I this is this one's deep seated
in my history banks for sure. This was definitely like
a VHS that my family had that I had in rotation,
And yeah, I loved movies like this or like in
that era, especially like thinking of Gladiator or Troy Kingdom
of Heaven, like that's that's maybe a little bit more
of a drawn out, less so action one, but like
still just like that era of like these big epic
movies I feel like I always just loved as a kid,
especially like one of the first video games ever plays
like Age of Vampires and like Age like I just
love like this era, especially like the strategic military side
of it. I just always love. So Yeah, I really
really love this movie as a kid. I feel like
I watched it many many times. I don't know exact
number on it, but it for it was very surprising
going through it now because as many times as I
had seen it, I feel like there's still a lot
that I got on like this viewing of maybe just
because it's been many years since I had seen it,
and I don't know, just younger. Younger is not really
knowing about all like the politicking or maybe some of
like the more philosophical ideas, because we have like Marcus
Aurelius in here. I feel like as a kid, I
definitely didn't know who that would have been, like in
you know, in history so yeah, this is one that
I feel like it just ages so well, Like this
came out in two thousand and because it doesn't rely
on like CGI and like practical effects to what they
for like what they had available in that time, Like
they used like real horses in a lot of these scenes,
and like just just there's so much epic stuff going
on that's all like real, and it just to me,
it just makes it seem like it's gonna be one
of those timeless movies that just goes on forever.
Speaker 12: Real decapitations with volunteers of course.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it was like a tropic thunder type situation that
thought it was actors but not really. They're just that
that devoted. But no, it looks fantastic, like all the
costume designs and everything and just just all of the scenery.
Like it's just really really well made movie. I didn't
even know that in one like all these oscars, but
like it makes sense watching it. It just yeah, it's
a beautiful film, and uh yeah, I just really really
like it. This is also one that I remember watching
like middle school, like they showed it to us in
like history class. I just thought it was like the
coolest thing ever like getting to watch like a movie
that I really like and then just just yeah doing
it in school, which was always great, but.
Speaker 12: Yeah, cool, I didn't get to watch this.
Speaker 13: God damn you weren't French Immersion though that was in
Madame Ganie's class in great hls out to Madame Ganie,
but yeah, cool passed the torch.
Speaker 11: Uh yeah, this movie.
Speaker 3: I've I've seen him bits and parts, but it's never
been something that I've actually deep dived into before and
watched in one whole sitting.
Speaker 13: So that's surprising. I feel. I feel like Russell Crowe
to me is like a big Taylor fan cast type
character or like just an actor that you really like.
Speaker 3: He is an actor that I really like. I mean,
you got him as Robin Hood.
Speaker 11: Which I that was great.
Speaker 7: I love that movie.
Speaker 11: Travis doesn't like it?
Speaker 3: What else do you got him an talk about trev
That's right. He was the Pope, Pope accessist. So he's
definitely popping up in roles that I do like. And
it's funny because he's always been that guy that just
he reminds me of Gerard Butler.
Speaker 11: You know, they have a similar kind of vibe or
like like they look.
Speaker 3: Similar, right, So sometimes I'm think, oh, yeah, Russell Crowe,
he was in that Olympus has Fallen, Like no, no, no,
that was definitely not he was in three hundred.
Speaker 11: Yes, there you go.
Speaker 3: But yeah, as far as this movie goes, I I was, yeah,
not sure exactly what to expect, but I remembered a
few things and I've seen like the gifts and everything
of Joaquin Phoenix, and so I knew a couple of
little familiar scenes, but all in all, I did not
know what I was in store for with these characters
and with the overall story and everything that was going on.
I'm sure we'll talk about it more, but you brought it.
Speaker 11: Up, Kirkland.
Speaker 3: It was just a pleasant surprise. We got the og
Mumbledore in there, as like, what the heck? I couldn't
believe because I'm trying to pinpoint that voice and I've
never seen them in anything else outside of Harry Potter Richard.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, uh cool.
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then we'll get into some juicy discussionary spoilers, so.
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Speaker 11: Where we start?
Speaker 12: I want to start exactly where you left off there,
And this is a classic Kirkland starting at the beginning,
but it's only beginning because Richard harr Is his character
of course, dies off pretty soon, like he's maybe in
like ten percent of the movie. But yeah, I wanted
to break that character down a little more, a little
bit more because kind of who I was saying about,
like you're really just kind of thrown in the middle
of like history here and we're like picking up and
I feel like a big part of this movie is
like a huge important part about the people of Rome
here is how much respect and admiration and they have
for Marcus Aurelius, like the Caesar at this time. That
was something I don't feel like I knew until now.
Caesar is that like just the name of like the
king essentially for Rome at any time? Yeah, I feel
like I now knew that, So I'm history dummy. I
need to play more Age Empires. Clearly a lot of Sieve,
but that's not enough clear total war Rome.
Speaker 13: There you go.
Speaker 12: Go, Okay, Okay, that'll be my next pickup. But yeah,
I think like there's so much that we have to
buy into of like the people loving this guy. And
then also a big part of Maximus's story is like
this revenge tale, and obviously a part of that is
because of his family, but it starts out because of
his love and admiration for Caesar as well for Marcus Aurelius,
and then even through the movie persists like obviously, first
and foremost it's because his wife and kid were murdered,
but he also always wants his goal is always because
of Marcus Aurelius and his respect for him as well.
And so I think it's it's hard in a movie
like this, like, Okay, given the amount of screen time
we got to move the story along, how are we
gonna find that level attachment to that character? But I
think that's where Richard Harris like did such a freaking
killer job. And just like you, Taylor, I've never as
far as I don't seen him in anything else. You know,
he obviously passed away early two thousands, so his career.
This was like probably one of his last movies. I
think he just brought so much charisma and I like
he just felt like a lovable grandfather guy. And like
even before I was like, oh, yeah, that's doubled round,
I have that kind of admiration for him from that role.
But even outside of that, I guess just that like
he was put he was cast for roles like that
because he was able to bring that gravitas and especially yeah,
for a movie like this where he doesn't have a
ton of screen time. I think he did such a
great job that he was like pulling on my heart
strings like from get Go and that, Like I found
that really impressive and that really held a lot of
the movie. And then motivations for a lot of characters together,
so big ups to him in particular, he really was
a standout.
Speaker 13: Yeah, No, one hundred percent that I feel like on
this viewing, that was like the biggest impact I think
I've I felt on this like viewing compared to like
back in the day, I just was all for the
fucking battle scenes and you know, just.
Speaker 12: Like the Gladiator kicking out. Now that I'm more of
an adult, like.
Speaker 13: I just appreciate these these moments so much more. And
I love that you mentioned that because it very much
is like a just like a cloud over like the
entire movie of just like this legacy that that he's
given across and kind of his his teachings, Like although
he died, like it wasn't just for nothing, like obviously
his teachings like lived on through the Gladiator to to
like make the change to Rome and then had like
a basically just put an end to like this tyrannical emperor,
just like undoing all these great works that Marcus Aurelio was.
Marcus Aurelius was doing because this whole plan, right was
to dissolve more so of the dictatorship and have it
more of a like a senate, so I Yeah, I
I don't know. I just really loved his scenes because,
as you mentioned, like he just has so much just
such a presence, like you just feel like, man, this
is like the ruler that like everyone should just be loving,
Like this is just seess so grandfatherly. And yeah, I
really liked how kind of the theme of even with
like his daughter's scenes between Maximus and and her of
just speaking on like believing in Rome and like and
like what it means it's not just one man. And yeah,
I feel like that just like those scenes like gave
me goosebumps. This this time around. It was like, man,
like I it's like I'm watching a whole new movie now,
Like I just really am appreciating this. So yeah, it
actually like I feel like I lifted my score. Honestly,
I'm just like, man, this movie is better than I
than I even thought. So yeah, it was nice.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He he really really brought his a game. I mean
in every role he does, I mean, the only two
tips see him and I just feel like he's he's
he's shown up to play and I love that.
Speaker 11: At the I mean, at the end of the movie.
Speaker 3: It's just it's it's his word. It's like he's just
he's spiritually just transferred over into Maximus, Like Maximus is
just like his.
Speaker 13: Just avatar Avatar with Marcus Aurelio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he's just he just really commands so much respect,
and it's just it's amazing how shit really hits the
fan so quickly at the start of this movie. But
the scenes that he's in with Maximus, it's just great
because he's like, I just want to talk to you, man,
de man, like disregard like the title and everything and
the positions and the status.
Speaker 11: Let's just have a conversation.
Speaker 3: And it's just a simple chat like oh, I have
a farm with some animals and whatnot. And he just
loves hearing that. It's just that simplicity. And then you
have his son come in, come off, what is it?
Speaker 11: Yeah, So that whole.
Speaker 3: Conversation was just crazy, especially just the way he delivers it.
When Caesar is just like, you're you're how does he
say it your failure is a son or you.
Speaker 11: God, I'm butchering.
Speaker 12: He pretty much just is saying, like, your shortcomings are
because of my bad parents.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And it's like, oh, he's just he lands
that line so well and it's so powerful, and then
what does his son do? Just like, yeah, goddamn it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's like he's trying to console them. But that
is one of the sickest burns in history. I feel
like to say that to someone, like, God, damn that
is that is that is brutal. He's kind of giving
into him not having confidence in me. He's like, yeah,
you should not be confident in yourself, but it's kind
of my fault. But at the same time, you still
kind of suck. Obviously said in a very you know,
Roman Caesar sort away.
Speaker 13: That's how common has heard it, though Common has heard
yes only as a slight towards him.
Speaker 12: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, we want to talk about commonists at
this point in time.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 13: Absolutely. I I feel like, now that I've gone through
seeing characters like Geoffrey Lanister and like and like just
villain performances, I feel like used to just make me
angry as a kid, and like I would just get
mad at that character and be like I hate that
character for this reason. I just don't like that.
Speaker 12: Actor in that role.
Speaker 13: Now it's like, man, I just appreciate people able to
do that performance. Honestly, I'm just being so hated that,
Like everyone and their grandmother sees that performance, Like, man,
that is a bad person. I hate that character. I
want them to die. So maybe not to that full extent,
but definitely in this movie, I feel like it's warranted
so like, and now that I've just seen a lot
more of Walking Phoenix's performance, getting like he looks like
such a baby in this movie compared to like the
last thing I saw him, it would have been Joker
to all these years later, twenty four years later, So
I just man, like, I feel like he he's just
such such a quality actor to be able to like again,
like just the different layers of performance that he's done,
whether it's Joker or his character from her when he's
a relationship with like AI to like this, Like man,
I feel like I just appreciate the performance so much
more now that I've seen more of what he's done.
In a long winded way of just saying it his
great performance and yeah, I feel like he's just such
a whiny brat and it's such like a distorted view
on what's going on. And I just love the scenes.
I feel like with his sister, it's like, will you
stay with me tonight? And she's like, oh, you're still scared.
It's like, yeah, some I'm very scared still. He's just
such like a pathetic individual. It's and then and then
like it'll go from like those scenes to like the
most Manliest a man fighting for his life and like
basically the survival of Rome in the glad Eater Pit.
So it was just such an interesting like juxtaposition between
those two characters. And I just loved whether they were
interacting with each other or just like scenes on their
own and then go to the other. I just love
the balance of spending time amongst the two And yeah,
comments is good.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I mean I totally agree. I think it was.
It was funny watching this movie and being like, oh yeah,
people like hundreds of years ago in this era could
just like have depression. You know, you kind of forget
about that, and I feel like commedists. That's why I
thought was so interesting about him, is like this guy
is just deeply, deeply depressed and that leads to many
other issues and then he has he has other problems too,
but on top of that, I just kind of feel
like that fuels a lot of what's going on here.
And as you mentioned, like the cast scene of Walking
Phoenix is so interesting given those roles you mentioned, even
throw like bo is afraid on there like a ring
of fire. Like I feel like he's just good at
playing depressed characters, people who are really really struggling, And
so to put that here, I think it's such a
It's kind of a juxtaposition in a way because going
into this I kind of expected that obviously, Like with
like ten minutes, I kind of knew where this movie
was going. But when I before ever seen it, I
kind of assumed, like, oh, yeah, the final fight is
gonna be like the two big macho dude bro testosterone
battles and they're just gonna be doing some big, huge fight.
But it's not that at all, because that's not who
Communist as a character. He's kind of a scrawny, weakling
sort of type who's more about the mental game and
the power than it is like the physical, Like he
has no aspiration for that, and like his only way
that he's ever gonna go into a fight is after
he has unfairly poisoned his opponent beforehand and just be
like overconfident. So I found the character like just super
duper compelling and he's kind of shown as like the
kind of classic Braddy Prince type character who always gets
what he wants and when he doesn't, he just lashes out,
such as lashing out to the point of to throw
in a tantrument killing his dad. Obviously, that's kind of
peak tantrum mode that you can go into. But the
other things too, like just when he's in the I guess,
like the Philosopher's circle square sort of thing, and the
other people on the Senate are kind of questioning his
decisions and he kind of just storms out of there
and then he goes nuclear with it and just decides
to completely shut them down in general and just go
full in on this like colisseum and that's like he's
gonna be his legacy. So yeah, I found him like
a very multi sided character. I want to ask you
guys about like what happens at the end, but I
guess we can first get Taylor's thoughts just on this
character overall.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: He's just downfall into this sense of madness and distrust
of everything and everyone is.
Speaker 11: It's quite a quite a trek.
Speaker 3: And while he's definitely disturbed from the get go, because
he shows up late to the war and he's got
all these expectations and whatnot. The moment he kills his father,
you know, like, Okay, this guy's statistically just messed up.
And so I thought it was interesting, Like you guys mentioned,
he's in that Senate room and the senate's calling him out,
and he just thinks, oh, why am I gonna help
protect the people and we'll look after this plague situation.
I'm just gonna put on a series of games and
have the people fall in love with me, which does work,
but it backfires obviously because of Maximus, and we'll get
into that. But yeah, him as a character just utilizing
his well, he feels safe with the older sister. But
his older sister I would say, was you using him
to kind of protect her son? I feel like because
that that's the only reason. I feel like she wouldn't
necessarily concede to him making certain like advancements onto her.
But I think it's up to interpretation. Really, wait, sorry,
what was that she was because they sleep together, but
she was only sleeping with him just to protect her son.
Speaker 12: I feel like I did not know they were sleeping together.
Speaker 13: I didn't get that either.
Speaker 11: You didn't get that at all.
Speaker 3: No, because even that even that during it later she's
like he's like speaking to her, and he's.
Speaker 11: Like, oh, yeah, you will.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna even look at me in a bad way.
You're gonna give me a son and all an air
and all that kind of stuff. So I took it
as they were definitely intimate beforehand.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I I took like that's where they was gonna
escalate too. And obviously when he like lays it down
on the bed and like kisses her, I forget if
he does kiss her like on the cheek or something
like that. Yeah, and she's just like she just rolls
a dark stiff yeah. Yeah, Like I think you're right
here that like she would have, but I don't. I
don't feel like it had it excelled to that point
quite yet.
Speaker 13: At Yeah. I found like the dynamic of when he's
first taking over really interesting because there's just so much
tension amongst like everything on, like there is the change,
and then obviously like the sister doesn't want him ruling,
like like like she's almost like an inside double agent
sort of situation, but like she still has to play
along because she's terrified that to me, it seemed like
she was terrified commtist was just gonna like murder Lucius
because that's not his son, right, and then he wants
a son with his sister that will be the new heir.
He doesn't want Lucius to be the heir. That saw
it just seemed like a lot of tension. Anytime that
it was like comedis Lucius and the sister like it
was it was just like a really and then obviously
the scene when he's telling the tale on like he
just knows about the betrayal, it's there. It's just oh,
there's just so much thickness of tension in the air
in those moments. But yeah, I didn't really take it
that like it was just the thing that was happening.
But like if that was the case, I would have
believed you. But like it just seems like when she
is just starfished on the bed, that's probably would have
been the extent of the intimacy in those moments, But
it just seemed like it was a thing that maybe
it was coming, and like I don't know she she
knew that it was eventually gonna be coming, but maybe
I'm wrong.
Speaker 12: Like she's still she's still like to your point to
the kind of just does whatever he wants for the
most part, like that I forget what. I forget what.
There's some other scene where it's kind of like nighttime
and he asks her some question and she's like, go
to bed. She just doesn't like f off pretty much.
So I think she she know she has that like
sibling like boundary, but like she is right on the
edge of that boundary and like trying to keep it
enforced the whole time. But even like, yeah, that I
think it's during that scene on the bed, or maybe
it's later when when he's kind of telling that bedtime
story to Lucius and then he's like obviously telling her
that he's onto her with the coup and then that's happening.
But I thought the line that was really powerful was
that he's talking about how he's like father always said
that life is a frightful dream. That line like really
stuck me.
Speaker 11: One.
Speaker 12: It's like just him confirming that he has depression that
he lives in like a frightful dream, but also that
he's like he's aware of this kind of thing. He
realized that there's issues.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 12: It's like it means that he's his father is still
just in his mind constantly and still in his head
even though he's he's killed him. But then I feel
like that just shows how the lack of empathy that
this character has because life is a frightful dream, Like
he has all these issues, yet he's like knowingly doing
this very same thing to his sister, Like I feel
like there's nobody he can't read that she doesn't want
these things, but she only does it because she kind
of feels like she has to. And he still like
constantly presses her on these things to the point of
that that bed scene, which is obviously like super duper uncomfortable,
Like that is the frightful dream right there, and so
he's just putting that onto the person that he like
presumably loves the most, and it just goes to show
how like fd up he is in the head.
Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, he excuse me.
Speaker 3: His uh, since that moment there where he kind of
is pressing the kid Lucius and it's just kind of
like trying to coax the truth out of his sister.
It bothered me because it just he gets that extra
win there, and I feel like he just he wins
consistently as much as he's losing at the same time.
But it's not like a proud, like great win. It's
as I said, he's losing as he's winning. It's just
such a it pisses me off. And so when he's
when he's like trying to bait the sister and get
her to tell her, tell her what's tell him what's
going on, it's, uh, it sucks that that kind of
steam rolls into just pulling apart this whole plan because
that part of the story where it was turning into like, oh,
we're going to have the Senator turning on communists and
we're going to have Maximus breaking free, bring in with
him his five thousand troops to take over Rome and
basically just kill the emperor. I would have loved that,
but that's not the story we got.
Speaker 10: We got again, just this.
Speaker 13: We're getting hyped where you're like, oh, we're gonna be
taken over nice.
Speaker 3: I was getting hyped because he was like, all, ye,
my men will follow me and we'll come back and
we'll leave the army here in the Senate. It's like, oh,
we've never had an army come into the city of
Rome before. I was like, oh, this is gonna be great.
I can't wait. But then we got Maximus sneaking out
and this guy ominously sitting on his horse like Maximus
like he shouts it out and then gives him away
Like that was oh yeah, it was kidding me.
Speaker 13: He wins again walking this guy. Yeah, just absolutely hate it.
Speaker 3: But when you see him in the arena at the end, though,
it's it's neat to know that this isn't his first
time fighting, right, he is a skilled fighter. We see
him back at the beginning of the film when he's
in the Germania camp. Basically he's taken on like four
dudes at once and he's just like spin around fighting
them off and whatnot.
Speaker 13: But like, come on, that isn't that just like the
guards who are higher level. Yeah, say that he's a
skilled fighter, like maybe he does the odd battle, but
I think it's obviously he like doesn't have the experience.
I was wondering, like, do you guys, I think that
he wanted to die in the end, he does poison him,
but I'd say he still does the fight.
Speaker 12: You don't think so?
Speaker 13: No, I think he just wanted like ultimate control and
to have that legacy, like you just he really wanted
to be remembered as like the ultimate like Caesar essentially,
I feel like that was I don't know, you just
seems so like because he is so like empathetic for
like other people, he's just very like narcissistic and like
his tendencies and it's just all about him and like
the ego that comes with that. I feel like although
he is very fragile like insecure, I feel like just
some of the moves that he does like throughout the film,
it just seems like, I he's very much a hurt person. Yeah,
he's very depressed, so hurt people, hurt people, and I
feel like that's what he really wants to do and
like get some satisfaction out of that and just basically
abusing his power and maybe to feel loved. But it's
just like a thing that he's like he just doesn't
understand the root cause on like how to actually get
that admiration. That's that's just a key part of his
flawed character. And but yeah, I don't think he was
necessarily like looking for like it's like he's wearing like
that nice white garb. It looks like something that you'd
be buried in. Like I don't think that was his
plan of like, I'm gonna die wearing this, but I
don't know if you're gonna die, look out, you know,
like better looks look pretty fly while you're doing it.
Speaker 3: But I mean that's where he gets his real taste
of who's in control. Like he understands that, he knows that, Okay,
he sees her, he's calling the shots.
Speaker 11: But when he's in the.
Speaker 3: Arena and he finds out that's it's Maxims who's the spaniard,
which great fucking scene, Oh my god, and he's just
ready to kill him, and the audience is like live, live,
live live, and he can't.
Speaker 11: He can't.
Speaker 3: Right there, he's the most powerful man in Rome, but
he can't go through with it because it'll just be
bad news.
Speaker 11: So he doesn't do it.
Speaker 3: And I think that scene kind of adds to the
ending where if he beats Maximus and he's at the
end in the arena, then the audience is going to.
Speaker 11: Be like like Caesar, Caesar, Caesar, like kill, kill, kill.
Speaker 3: And so he's gonna be able to take in all
of that and have what Maximus had. And I think
he's very jealous of Maximus obviously because he calls him
brother and all that stuff.
Speaker 12: So yeah, jealous of the fathers love, he is jealous
of the sisters love. He's jealous of the people's love.
I mean just every yeah, and Maximus is everything that
he wants.
Speaker 13: I loved pretty much all the sequences when he's in
the coliseum and like he he thinks that everyone's there
for like him, but it's just like the Maximus Show,
and he's just like he's just so sour, and after
he wins, he's just like whining to his his his
compatriot in the in his bedroom chain chambers. Later on,
it's like they love him.
Speaker 12: I can't just kill him off, Like.
Speaker 13: He's just so whiny, like that little child. One of
my favorite actual scenes with him. It's a pretty minor scene,
but I because he does make like a lot of
these like power moves to try and like shut down
what's going on. Like obviously he figures out the plan
of like overthrowing, like the coup that was going to
be planned. He obviously figures that out and puts a
stop to it. Like he does make these power moves.
But I just loved how like throughout the whole film,
because he is just this like very privileged individual that's
lived his whole life like in this castle. Like he's
never like actually anywhere near the action until the end
of the movie when he when he dies, Like he's
nowhere near the action when the big battle happens. At
the beginning of the film, you know, he's riding in
the stage coach with his sister when like the Knights
of the of the are the raids that are going on.
Like the next scene like after that happens, he like
is in his bedchambers wearing pj's and he has like
this massive BedHead, like he just slept for ten hours
and it was the best sleep of his life. And
he's just like did it?
Speaker 5: Did it work?
Speaker 13: Like he's just asking his his his buddy, like I
just loved how again, Like it shows like this horrific
like murders that are going on, like just all these
like betrayals that that are happening. You have the guy
that owns Maximus, the guy that's been helping out this
whole time, you know, like he gets murdered in that
sequence and then and then we jump over to like
the Emperor's chambers and he's just having the best sleep
of his life. So I just loved all the moments
that were shown of like really intense bloodshed and then
you know the guy in his ivory tower, like eating
his grapes and just like no callouses on his hands,
like he's just he's just so separated from it. So I,
I don't know, I just love the way that they're
able to show those moments, And to me, it was
just such a like a start contrast of of the
two characters again, like a big juxtaposition of like what's
actual life like in that era. And they even mention
it right like when he first takes over the role
and he's in the Senate and he's talking about like
all these things that he wants to do for the people,
bring like health like it's not healthcare back then, but
essentially like help out the sick, and then the Senate
people are like, have you ever actually seen like a
sick person before? Like have you ever Like you're just
so like warped in your perception of what reality is
like on like the streets for the people of Rome,
and like you're just saying all these things that you
think is gonna like you know, all of the aqueducts
will be wine and everyone's just gonna be happy and
loving each other. It's like that is just so warped
into store tonight. I just feel like throughout the whole
film they were able to like really showcase those moments
of showing how disconnected he is with the reality of
what's going on, and like even the people in the Senate,
I'm sure are like completely separated from the realities that
we're going on, but even they have a more like
realistic understanding of it. But I don't know, I was
kind of rambling there, but I just I really loved though,
Like because I'm viewing it now, like years later, I
feel like I just didn't even notice any of those
scenes I just mentioned like until now, so it was
like I was watching on a brand new movie again
and I just I really really liked it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it goes to show that, like I
don't know how old his character is supposed to be
in this, but like clearly he's had enough time to
start learning some of these things from his father, but
instead of doing that, he was just fucking around doing
other stuff. And it's not just that Maximus is a
stronger fighter, like is the reason why Marcus Aurellius wanted
to hand over the crown to him is because of
like all this other stuff as well, And yeah, he
just had no he had no, I guess, motivation to
like learn how to do those things or be better
at the political side of it. One one scene that
I think is fantastic just in the way, well in
the dialogue and then like the way it's shot specifically,
is after he's caught on to the coup that's gonna happen,
he has he's talking to like his general or his
right hand man, some guy, and he's talking about like
what's gonna happen to Lucius and Lucilla and Lucilla now
that they've now that he's caught onto it, and like
really messed up stuff that he's describing what he's gonna
do to his sister and her son. And then like
the camera just pans over and like she's just been
there the whole time listening to him explain all this stuff.
When I thought or it seems like a more of
a private conversation he's having with like the troops, I
thought that that scene was like chilling. It's like, oh
my god, this guy is so effed up. I guess
that leads to a question I had, which is, how
exactly does he catch onto the coup because I know
he's suspicious of her because she's been out later than
he expects, But I couldn't tell if there was also
like he had got a tip from Lucius, who wasn't
maybe sure of everything that was going on. He was
just telling his uncle stuff and that's how he got
a hint. But I don't know my missing something there?
Is it just the sister and that suspicion because it
almost seemed like too smart of a deduction based on
what we've seen from that character to that point.
Speaker 13: I definitely took it like he just has spies that
like follow people everywhere, and okay.
Speaker 12: So he has people that actually care about him more
than Rome or.
Speaker 13: Maximia on the payroll. I guess, yeah, there's definitely those
individuals that like money over it, but they definitely could
have shown I think a little bit more of like
how he found that out. I don't know. I just
I did find like even on this viewing, I was like,
did I miss a scene like where they explain that,
But I don't. Yeah, I guess I guess he just
there's many eyes, you know, there's eyes and ears all
over Rome, and some of them own is on his payroll.
But that's what I took it. And Taylor is another reason.
Speaker 3: No, I think that's pretty much it because he he
was pretty spot on with knowing this senator is a
part of this, this plan, this senator practice.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I mean you have to have spies to know that.
I mean, yeah, because otherwise how how would they know?
The only ones that were present in those meeting chambers
were yeah, Maximus, and then the Senator, and then the
sister and then I guess the gladiator owner. But I
mean he obviously died a hero. He wasn't going down
with commonists.
Speaker 13: So proximal, proximo, proximal.
Speaker 12: He's cool. Yeah, yeah, since we were kind of just
talking about the sister a little bit. Uh. For the
most part, I think the character is really well done.
Good acting and all that, and she is able to
bring some gravitas in terms of what you're saying, Kirk,
like being the double agent and the acting to you know,
show those those different the parts that she's hiding, was
all really good. My one beef with the character was
I thought the kind of love element between her and Maximus.
It was really cheesy. It was really forced, and it
was also very just like male director, male gayzy kind
of thing of like, oh, of course, like the pretty
queen has to kiss our main hero guy. Because I
just felt like it pacing wise, it it didn't really
make sense. I understand why she would look up to
him and think he's he's hot and a cool badass
and all that, and like they've had this pass which
they allude to many times. But I think from his perspective,
that's where it didn't really make any sense. Like he's
still like days, maybe it's been weeks at this point,
it's hard to say, but he's still like hot off
the murder of his wife, and like he's doing all
this for her, for his son, and like for the
king and for Rome and all this, and I just
feel like to throw in this weird love storyline where
they kiss every once in a while. It was just
it was really forced. I did not like that whatsoever.
I think it maybe makes a bit more sense from
her perspective, but even then I don't think it makes
a ton of sense. So I just I just don't
think it was a necessary addition. Here.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I somewatould agree with you. I feel like it
would have just made sense of like that era of
everyone's just fucking everyone and like it like it's just
there's just so many unfaithfulness I think going on like
in this era, especially just like wartime generals away from
your family for that long, but it seemed like the
focus of the story, like it just was so unnecessary
for them to like have those moments. I feel like
my defense in those scenes, for like from Lucilla's perspective
is like she's just so like feeling trapped in her tower,
you know, like like scared of what's gonna happen with
her son, with her brother and all these situations, and
like this individual Maximus, that it's just showing the best
qualities that you would want from like a Roman individual,
and like she very much seems like she took her
father's teachings like to heart and like just what Rome
should be, and it seems like she's like genuine with
all those feelings, Like it's like we believe in Rome,
not just the individual of who's running it. And I
think from her perspective, seeing someone like Maximus that's just
like basically rising from the ashes like a phoenix and
like putting an end to the Commutist's reign from like
just what he's doing in the pits after losing all
his family. Like it's just like she's so admiring those qualities,
and then in those moments, maybe she's feeling like just
trapped and this is her savior, and it would make
sense why she would want to just be in love
with this individual. It's almost like a oh my gosh,
what's her name? What's uh, what's the king of Rohan's
nieces name? Oh my gosh, Aoin it's like the Aowen
or Ara Gordon, Like it's just like a perfect man,
perfect individual of just like he's such a leader and
like all these qualities. I just I love this individual.
And then it's just like it's actually happening and she
believes so like I don't know, I feel like that's
in my mind, but like in that one moment, like
have like one kiss in the entire scene or sorry,
the entire movie, and then it's just like leave it there.
It did seem strange, like even early on when they
had like some romantic tension, like I didn't really need
the historic like relationship that they had. It was more
so just like what the individual's representing.
Speaker 12: And I could tell if the purpose of that, like
because I felt like they were kind of hinting that
that that that Lucius could be Maximus's son. Yeah, but
that never really gets like confirmed, right or like maybe
has been for the sequel. And that's because I think
Lucius is like one of the main guys in the sequel, right,
So I I don't know, like, what do you do?
You guys have a prediction there, like is that his son? Yes?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 13: Maybe, so I could see it being the case. I
hope it's not, though, Like I would have liked the
story more that they just they just had their own children.
Speaker 12: It's like a weird thing to not like confirm in
the movie if they weren't doing.
Speaker 13: That, and I'm sure it's around it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, And like I don't know if this movie was
a box office success, but if they were like doing
sequel bait kind of stuff and it was a success, well,
they didn't make the sequel until twenty years later, so
twenty five years later pretty much. Yeah, Taylor, what's your theory? Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, I I honestly don't think that they were at
all thinking of a sequel for this, and so the
idea that they're kind of building off like well, let's say, okay, hypothetically,
because I don't know for sure if this is the
Sun and they're building off of a story of this
being the son of both Maximus and that uh.
Speaker 11: And Caesar sister Silla Lucilla. Yes, I I don't know.
I don't see it. I took it as watched this movie.
They had a.
Speaker 3: Relationship, they went their separate ways, they had kids with
other people, and then you know, so forth here we are.
So I don't I don't really prescribe to the idea
that yes, Lucius is his son.
Speaker 11: I just think it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, it'll be very weird if the
sequel is like, yeah, this is Lucius and then Lucius
wears Maximus's armors, like yeah, your father was Maximus. It's like, ah, well,
they're just reckconning.
Speaker 13: I feel a little bit.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I hope they don't be like, oh, yeah, people love
this movie and love Maximus as a character, so we
want to make like his offspring part of this movie.
Like I don't think people would care about that, you know,
they just want like a cool, new, interesting story that
is still following in the events and like the world
that we set up here. But I don't think we
need like to have his son in there for people
to care.
Speaker 13: Definitely not Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, it's not pulling me.
Speaker 13: In, me out. Actually got him out of there.
Speaker 3: Well you you mentioned, you know, back in this time
people having all their relationships and stuff like that, and
I just think that I don't even know where I
was going. I just I was gonna steer that into
the men being gladiators and fighting in the arena and
all that, but didn't make any sense at all.
Speaker 13: That's great transition we'll get of infidelity.
Speaker 11: Let's get into the gladiators.
Speaker 3: You wanted to talk about the fighting, right, Dylan, some
of the fight stuff that was going on.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think we definitely should because that's definitely a
big i'd say selling point of these movies is the
big gladiatorial battles. I think for the most part, they did.
They did work, and I like them. I like the
different set pieces. I like the different setups like you have,
like the Battle of the Fall of Carthage. I think
that was kind of a fun setting thing. I think
for me, it was mostly just the whoever was holding
that damn camera. I was not a big fan of
the way a lot of these things were shot. I
just felt like the camera was often very zoomed in,
like I'm looking at Maximus' back and like his arm
little bit a lot of shaky cam, which you know,
if you've ever listened to Geekers for you know, I
fucking hate shaky cam in general. But the mix of
like a lot of zooms in, a lot of shaky cam,
and I just feel like a lot of quick cuts
as well that it made it like for certain battles
like I forget his name's like Titus or Titan, you know,
like the he's never lost a battle that bring in
that big guy. I like just the way that that
battle was cut. I couldn't like follow the flow of
it as like an actual battle with momentum. It just
felt like, Okay, here's one quick sequence for like five seconds,
and then like it could be like a minute later,
here's like another part of the fight, and we're kind
of just stitching it all together. So I just wanted
a bit more cohesion. I think some of the battles
are able to achieve that. And then lastly, and this
is one of the things that's just like, Okay, the
movie hasn't aged amazingly well. Is like the really cheesy
slow mo, which I'm sure like so fucking badass in
the year two thousand, but it just looks so bad today.
And so the combination of the shaky cam, the SloMo,
and like the weird zoom ins it. I think some
of the fights, particularly the more intimate ones, I think
I wanted a bit more, But I think generally the
big set PC ones like the one where like all
the all of them are huddled together with their shield
around and like they got the chariots going around that
fight is really great for the most part, and there
are other highlights with like individual moments, but I think overall,
I just wanted someone else holding holding that camera, or
like maybe a different editor, like picking the different shots
that were a bit more that are a little bit better.
So I'm curious to see what that looks like in
the sequel years. Obviously the same director, but I imagine
it's maybe a different cinematographer, different editors and things. I
know there's a lot of different people behind the scenes,
like Ridley Scott's obviously back, but that seems like about it,
and even a couple actors. But anyway, Yeah, that was
that was kind of my overall thoughts of the battles.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I I feel like this time around that was
actually like the lowest point of the movie for me.
Was like the actual combat sequences. I like the setup
of the combat and the lead up to it. I
like when they're like the first time they're going out
there and the guy's just pissing his pants, is pissing
his tuning right in front of Maximus and.
Speaker 12: Just like.
Speaker 13: Just like putting us on ground level of like in
the trenches coming out and you don't even know what
the fuck you're gonna see. And like when the first
time they go into the into the coliseum and maxims like,
no matter what's out there, just stick together, Like it
could be fucking unicorns flying from the skies, Like no
matter what it is, let's just stick together and we'll
be better together. And they go out there's like lions
and there's there's just like just crazy stuff that you
wouldn't even expect to see on a regular battlefield. And
I like that aspect of it. But when we actually
get down to like you said, when big giant man
Titus comes out, it like I that scene was so
much lesser than I remember it being. And I remember
just loving the look of Titus when he's got like
the mask with the ear drop thing or the ear
drop the eye drop.
Speaker 12: Seem as Juggernaut from X three.
Speaker 13: That's fair great physique, you know, like like it just
a big build up moment, but when they're actually clashy
and it's just like, okay, there's there's not much to this.
I'd rather go see Dune part two, you know, see
Paula Tred's or someone else. I can't remember his name.
I can't remember the ball guy's name right now. It's
been too long, so see that. But like, I don't know,
it's just the hand to hand was a little bit
lesser than I remember being. And even in like the
early portions of the movie when we're seeing the battle
going on, I like the scale of it, but like
the hand to hand combat is nothing really you know.
Speaker 12: Do you mean like the sorry, the first battle like
a Germania like the Woods battle. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 13: Like when Marcus Aureli is still alive, like when it's
actually like the full line.
Speaker 12: I think I was very with that part. I was
just so anytime we watched like an older movie and like,
oh yeah, they're actual horses here and there's like actually
three hundred actors and not just like CGI stuff. That's
that's what was like getting me. It was like, ah, look,
it's great to have like what feels like a very authentic, yeah,
tribute to like I don't know what the scale of
something like this could actually look like.
Speaker 13: You got the dog in there too. It's like, man,
it's impressive, like real dog, real horses, like running tigers,
so dangerous.
Speaker 12: Butler or what's his name, real Gerard Butler.
Speaker 13: Yeah, he donated some of his splash. But yeah, overall
combat a little bit, a little bit lesser, but yeah,
just interesting, how like you age like a movie. In
my mind, this was such an action movie and now
it's like not even about that, Like it's about like
the philosophical ideas and just the struggle of what, you know,
what makes a man like important? So yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 3: You mentioned there that line when Russell Crow is like, oh,
whatever comes, whatever's the other side of that gate, like
stand together? I was just thinking it reminds me of
of h Gandalf when he's in ministeriis and totally he's like,
whatever comes to that.
Speaker 11: Gate, you'll stand your crowd.
Speaker 12: This is.
Speaker 11: Cave troll.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just such a like god damn, Like
I don't know, the just the courage.
Speaker 11: And you have this one guy who's like what does
he say? Russell Crowe?
Speaker 3: He's like, how many of you have military experience? And
they all like look at him, like what, and then
he just like rallies them together and he's like stand together,
shields up, and he's given them orders. But then you
got like the one, two, maybe three random fucos that are.
Speaker 11: Off on their own, like you guys are idiots? What
are you doing out there?
Speaker 12: And the show when the one lady on the cherryt
gets like cut in half, it's very iconic, two thousands practical,
so it like goes for her. Uh yeah, she's like
still as a board as she like tumbles to the ground.
In two parts, I really liked the I think zucker
Bar is the name of the place that Proximo that's
where his his ring is, his colosseum. I really like
that match where a lot they were all kind of
strapped together with another member, and that's where you have
Jubat Giant Huntshu's character, which is like, why is this
guy just in every single movie He's like everywhere, which
I which I love. But I really liked their dynamic
and I thought that was like that led to some
really fun choreography of their chain together and they at
one point they like knocked the guy over by just
bringing the chain into him. And then like the classic uh,
the one like huge guy is paired with that the
guy who was like pissing himself, and he just like
he gots he gets taken up pretty quick and then
he just like chops his hand off and then he
like uses his hand it's like a flail pretty much.
So I thought that that fight just led to some
really fun uh choreography in general, because it was a
more like a restrained sort of fight and there was,
you know, more than two people, So I thought that
one was like a highlight as well. Yeah, totally, And yeah,
I thought I thought that element of like Proximo, I
really liked Proximo, and I couldn't really articulate why in
the way I can articulate why I like these other
characters so much. Just somebody about the performance. I thought
was really good and I liked that he was kind
of that mentor and he obviously has a lot of respect.
He sees what Maximus is capable of, but he kind
of encourages him to play up the crowd angle of
it and not just go for the win. Of of
course he got a win or else you're just dead,
but to do both and that's why he was considered
such a great fighter back in the day when he
was still doing it. So, yeah, I like Proximal. He's
a character. He was a fun, fun side character.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I really like Proximally. I feel like he's I
feel like he's more like layered than he seems as well, right,
because he's like when you first meet him, he's just
like he's just a slave owner, Like he just deals
with people and like people's currency, and like it's just
like he doesn't care if they liver or as long
as they make a money. Well, I guess he wants
them to live to make money, but if they are
to die, you know, go out dramatically for the for
the show, and that's how it starts. And then it
seems like, Okay, he's just he's just with like Maximus
because he's making a money and he's all hype, you know,
he's like, oh man, I really score, Like this guy's
gonna make me so much dough. And it seems like
that is the main focus for like a good portion
of the relationship until it gets to the point and
and you know, like he has given him good lessons
of like it's not just about being the best fighter,
like I wasn't the best fighter. You gotta win the crowd,
and the crowd like those are the ones that literally
like save you live or die right when theyre when
it goes to uh comtists with the with the thumbs,
you know, shouts out to Emma Frosts and her thumbs.
But in this case, it's it's depending on what the
crowd says is what lives or dies. So like, I
just I really liked his lessons there. But then it
gets to a point when he starts to kind of
realize of like what's going on and like what's like
and then of course Maximus kind of tells him the
plan there and very easily, like he could have just
traded him in, right, Like okay, well, I'm probably gonna
get a bounty if I just like reveal this to
comtists or whatever. But it still seems like he, in
the back of his mind believes in like those those
Roman ideals and like and like the true idea of
what Rome is. And maybe it's just because he's forgotten
about it because he's been so caught up and just
his day to day job of being, you know, like
a slave owner. And I I just feel like Maximus
sparked something inside of him and kind of like reawoke
in that gladiator in him, Like like it's very courageous
of what he did, even though he wasn't in the pit.
It's just being the guy that's like, you know what,
I'm gonna let you out of the gate here, Like
I know I'm gonna die, but like that is the
proper thing to do. And he and he holds like
his his wooden sword that he won when when he
became a free man, and it's just like he's proud
dying that way. And even though he had all this
bounty of money, I'm sure he had like different properties
and he's a pretty plump guy, like he was eating
well more so than other people that were alive in
that time. But but like he still was just like, no,
that is the proper thing to do. So I just
love the evolution of the character on He's He's not
like a main character by any means in the show,
but he's a very important piece too, I think, just
the overall puzzle of the story. So yeah, I really
appreciate proximists a lot more on this viewing for sure.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Proximo is uh He's definitely a big transitioning character
because I feel like when you first meet him, he's
fighting with this other slave owner over it, just like
what he owes money on direct.
Speaker 11: From the Mummy, guy from the Mummy. Yeah, yeah, hear.
Speaker 13: Did the Mummy come out too? Because it seemed like
he went from one set to the other, like you look,
the exact same age.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's good to see.
Speaker 11: Him in there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he he just goes from being this like money
kind of like slaver guy, and after that he transitions
into just like, you guys are all going to die
and it's going to benefit me. But as you die,
you're gonna just hear like clapping noises and stuff like that.
Speaker 11: You just you don't have to explain what that was like, Yeah,
you just you.
Speaker 3: Don't like him at the start, but then he sees
what Maximus is doing and thinks, Okay, well now they're
doing this big assembly thing, and he just believes in Maximus,
and I like how he's just you understand it. He
was a gladiator himself, and he kind of he got
out of the he got out of that world of fighting,
but he earned his freedom and just when he's just
he sells the scene when he's talking about how he
was not directly like, didn't directly meet Caesar, which is again,
Maximus is Caesar, but the Caesar like acknowledged him, I guess,
or something like that. And it's just it was such
a for him. This was like him meeting God. That
was such an important moment of his life. And he
was bestowed this wooden sword with his name on it.
So just really really cool. And yeah, it's it's sad
that he gets killed off at the the end there,
but yeah, just a really really good character and I'm
glad that he turned around and decided to help Maximus
with his plan.
Speaker 12: Mhm. Did did anything stand out to you guys about
the music of this movie?
Speaker 13: It felt, Uh, I've watched a lot of Daredevil between
now and when I watched that, So I do remember though,
watching this and thinking, yes, this reminds me of something
very very familiar. What is it?
Speaker 11: What is it?
Speaker 12: You couldn't You couldn't place it in the moment where
you're watching, is it? Taylor? Did it stand to Oh?
Speaker 11: No, I am out to lunch on this one.
Speaker 12: Okay, it's Pirates of the Caribbean. Baby, It is the
theme of Pirates of the Caribbean minus like a note,
And so I looked into this. This movie is composed composed,
there's two composers, Lisa Gerard, not Gerard Bart but someone
named Lisa Gerard, and Hans Zimmer is on here too,
and then Pirates is Hans Zimmer. It's hard. I was
looking into this a lot, and apparently Hans Zimmer like
is partly responsible for like some of the Pirates music,
but one of the things is that he wrote the theme.
Apparently he wrote it just like in a night into
like some crazy night and then he like sent it
off to the main comp the Pirates movies and like
kind of let him take credit. But like, Hans Zimmer
actually wrote that, And so I was cackling. I'm like, man,
the theme of this fucking movie is one note off
of Pirates. It is the exact same He just copied
his homework for Pirates, which is so funny because that
is one of the most iconic like movie themes of
all time, and the fact that it actually is kind
of just ripping off one of his earlier scores I
find hilarious. So that I was looking up, like, am
I the only one who heard this or that other
people hear it now, Like there's all sorts of Reddit
threads and people talking about this and talking about how
it happened. But it was just hilarious to me how
similar it was. So yeah, what go back after this
and on YouTube, just listen to the Pirates then listen
to the that. I'm sure someone has a comparison video
on YouTube. It is hilarious how close they are, like
these same core notes of that theme is just yeah,
one to one, It's freaking hilarious. So show just to
Hans Zimmer, you know when you got it, You got it,
when you wrote a good theme, use it again? Why not?
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm actually quite astounded by that. I was
just I just did a quick google and I see
a bunch of articles people like anyone noticed the two
themes are very similar. That's hilarious. That blows my mind.
Speaker 12: Yeah, good stuff. I just have a couple other couple
other points here for myself. One is I I really
I really like the the way that they make the
Colosseum almost like a character or like just the mythos
around the Colosseum. I forget what the first shot that
we see it as But one section I really liked
is when I think it's colmonists like up in his
up in his quarters, and he's like looking at a
diorama of the Colosseum, and then that kind of like
fades into a shot like a top down shot of
the actual Colisseum, and just like seeing the scale, especially
at that point we've we've seen Zuckerbar, We've seen Proximo's
tiny little ring compared to the Colosseum. And then I
think that we cut when we cut back to Maximus
and Juba and their first time getting into the city
and like looking up at this colsum and it's just
like so huge, and getting it from like their perspective
as like just a little guy looking up at this
huge monument was really cool. So I thought that was
I like this kind of cinematography around that. And then
my last quick show here is I just love that
sequence when they're about to execute Maximus after he has
kind of gone against Calmunus's wishes, and you have that
scene in the woods when they're going to take him out,
and then of course he like gets out of his
trap and starts battling, and then like the one guy
that can't pull his sword out and he's like Frost
sometimes it makes the blade stick. And I just love
that line. It wasn't it just shows like how expert
of a fighter it is that he would know that
little detail and going into this battle and I'm sure
when he's like walking out to the woods just planning,
like how is this fight gonna go, he's like expecting
that to happen. It just yeah, it's one of those
things early on in the movie that shows you, yeah,
he is just an outstanding fighter, like he is kind
of top top notch. So I really like that section.
Speaker 11: Yeah that Oh go ahead, you go ahead.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say that that fight scene, yeah, after
the post Frost moment. It just I don't know what
it is with just sequences like that with flying swords
just always gets me because.
Speaker 11: Like, what do you do?
Speaker 3: You got this big, like heavy piece of metal and
it just it's a sound effect too. It's like when
you see this fucking sword and yeah, it just impales you.
It's like, God damn you just you're done. There's nothing,
there's nothing you can do with that.
Speaker 13: I catch it, I just catch it, catch it by
the blade.
Speaker 12: Wasn't that a shot and glad of your two trailers.
Like someone throws a spear or shoots an arrow up
at one of the guys in the box grabs it
with his hand, right.
Speaker 13: You gotta put in your bow shoot it back. That's
like the class very much. So uh yeah, No, Maximus
was was fantastic. Didn't say a lot about them, but
I feel like Crow was just really really great. Another
scene that I really really love in this movie is
like the first time that the Spaniard like wins in
the in the you know, in the ring, and commonists
like I must meet this man goes down there and
you know, like they all get these rules like don't
ever turn your back to the caesar, like it's basically
life or death situation, and he just does not give
a fuck. And like in that in that moment, like
he picks up the arrowhead right like this is gonna
be his assassination moment. Like in his mind, all he
has to do is get up to commonists stab him
in the throat. And honestly, if Lucius wasn't there, he
probably would have done it. He probably would like if
like if Lucius didn't come down right, Like that's kind
of when he recoiled a little bit with the uh
or not recoiled he maybe, yeah, got a lot of
the rings quotes in my mind, I have no thief,
but but yeah, like I feel like if Lucius didn't
come down there, like he would have just shoved that
right into the throat of Commonists and that would have
been that he would have been murdered right then and there.
But he would have just gone to his family and
known that, you know, vengeance is complete. Like he took
out Commonist, that was his goal. But by the end
of the movie, like his goal and what he accomplishes
is just so much more significant than just a revenge tale, right,
Like he literally changes the entire outcome of like Roman
life and moving forward, Like, like what happens if Commonist
does just stay as the tyrannical ruler? Right he gets
like five children from his sister. They're all looking fucked
up because they're all ancestral children. But like he just
like what could have happened, right for like the people
living for yeah, Like literally, I mean he probably would
have been.
Speaker 12: Like breakout and kill everyone.
Speaker 13: He probably would have been murdering in his throne room.
I imagine just assassinating. I feel like that's the way
a little lot of tyrannical rulers go. But yeah, I know,
I I just really liked how that moment would have
been the end of his tail, but like just holding
back there or turning it, turning his back and like
the immediate just like anger that comes out of commons,
like how dare you even do that? And he takes
off his helmet and then he just like straight up
says like I'm this person, you know, I am the
true Like uh, what does he say? A like follower
of the one true ruler Marcus Aurelius, like right in
his face, basically just discounting the legitimacy of the of
the ruler right in front of him, the most significant
person in the entire great city of Rome. And he's
just like talking down to him. And Communists can't do
anything because the people are just like, oh my god,
this is like reality TV right now. Like imagine being
a viewer, you know, like in that era, Like that's
like hit reality TV right there.
Speaker 12: It's just you're just like imagining what's being said.
Speaker 3: I got the I got the quote here free Kirkland,
because yeah, he turns around My name is Maximus Decimus Mridius,
Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the
Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true Emperor Marcus Aurelius,
father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife,
and I will have my vengeance in this Like.
Speaker 13: Holy fuck chills, chills, just as sure as the rock
scot chills already. That's that's what I got when you're
reading that. But yeah, I just love how intent that
moment is. And then immediately after right like uh, communist leaves,
it's like him whinying to one of his his his whoever,
one of his people that listen to him, Like I
can't kill him because I will not make a martyr
out of him, Like he's just such a whiny brat
in those scenes. But yeah, no, I just want to
show that scene really really good.
Speaker 3: Uh interesting how because when you see the intro and
the startup with Maximus and he's got his it looked
like he was two in like sub general's like lieutenants
working under him, but mainly just the one who becomes
kind of a focus. That one who is the focus
is the guy that kind of like after Aurelius's death.
This one guy who you thought was Maximus's friend ends
up just saying, okay, take his sword. You're not leaving, Like,
take him out into the woods, walk him till sunlight
or first light, and then execute him. And then he
ends up becoming commonist is like right hand guy, like
soldier I guess of the prematory and guards right. And
it's funny how at the end he's the one too
that just kind of like surper is against commonests when
he's like, oh, I'm not giving you a so everyone.
Speaker 10: Sheathe your swords.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, I just thought it was interesting how
his betrayal kind of turned around.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well said hell, yes, yeah, is there anything else
you guys have or do you want me to drop
some trivia on you? I got nothing left on my
ancient tablet here.
Speaker 13: Yeah, no more scripture on my runs.
Speaker 11: Okay.
Speaker 3: So Oliver Reid he's the actor that played Proximo. He
died three weeks before principal photography ended. Because Proximo was
considered a key character, a clause in the movie's insurance
contract would have allowed the filmmakers to reshoot all of
his scenes with another actor. At the insurer's expense about
twenty five million. However, most of the actors and crew
were exhausted from the punishing schedule, and Sir Ridley Scott
did not want to cut Reid from the movie. The
script was rewritten and a body double and CGI we
used to give Read's character a plausible resolution. Interesting, interesting, Okay, Yeah.
The opening battle scene was filled in Bourne Woods, Surrey, England.
The Royal forestryt Commission had originally slated the area for deforestation,
so servidly Scott eagerly offered them his facilities to burn
the woods to the ground, and the commission accepted.
Speaker 12: So wow, that is insane.
Speaker 13: Actually, that's wild.
Speaker 11: Yeah, practical effects.
Speaker 3: Most notably, there have been rumors Mel Gibson was offered
the role Maximus uh and he had turned it down.
Gibson says he was too old to play Maximus. Scott
denies he was ever even offered the part. Sounds particularly
also considered to play Maximus for Hugh Jackman and Antonio Banderaz.
Speaker 12: Jackman. Hugh Jackman, that's a multiverse. I'd like to see
what we got here.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you alluded to this earlier. Kirkland Jack Gleeson
who models his character Joffrey brath In in Game of Thrones.
Speaker 11: After Emperor comminas.
Speaker 13: Hey, there you go, similarities makes cooeah.
Speaker 3: Over the course the gladiatorial scenes, Russell Crowe lost all
feeling in his right forefinger for two years after a
sword fight. Aggravaden and Achilles tendon injury, broke a foot bone,
cracked a hip bone, and popped a few bicep tendons
out of their sockets.
Speaker 13: That's nothing what the Dragon Chrome crew has.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but you'll notice Comtists has no injury. Is classic walking?
Speaker 3: Yeah, gian Nina Facio Hope, I'm saying that right. Who
played the wife of Maximus actually married Sir Ridley Scott
in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 13: The Boy years later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, This movie started shooting without a lock screenplay in place.
According to Russell Crowe, the initial draft was so bad that,
when he was approaching the lead role, not even the
producer wanted to send him a copy, afraid that he
wouldn't respond to it. Crowe was instead urged to meet
with the director, Ridley Scott first, But unbeknownst to the producer,
crow had already attained a copy of the script and
disliked it. But it was went over by Scott's take
on the project as well as Calvius rewrites.
Speaker 12: Man. That is interesting because I do I feel like
it's a very well written movie. But I guess, you know,
those rewrits is where it rewrites.
Speaker 13: I suppose think it's not always the case. You know,
sometimes when there's a lot of rewrits or something, it's
like a bad sign, like it's gonna be a bit
of a mess. But this case it worked out.
Speaker 3: That's the way with Blade, right, all those rewrites not
a thing?
Speaker 11: Or is it just directors?
Speaker 12: Yeah, rewrits director the movie. So it's a mess for sure.
Speaker 13: Mike Blade Runner. That was oh right, Blade, Yeah, that
was removie.
Speaker 3: The Germania Battle sequence took twenty days to complete. And
my last fact here the film Gladiator had a budget
of one hundred and three million and grossed four dre
and sixty five million at the box office. So it
did pretty good. Yeah, not too shabby. Yah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there you go, Crow Scott, now here we are
second one.
Speaker 12: I'd be curious to go check out an interview and see, like,
why all these years later it was now the right
time to do that sequel. I don't know if it's
like because I don't think there's a ton of actors
from this first one. I think Luscilla, like the mom,
is in there, so I think she's still around. And
I don't know, like obviously aging wise, like are we
going twenty years in the future. I think we are
because Lucius is like a man and he's like one
of the main characters, right, and so.
Speaker 13: I'd like to see I feel like I've seen that
trailer so many time for the second film, and all
I can remember right now is just Denzel Washington's character,
and I don't remember anything, which is nice. You know,
I'm gonna go into it pretty black. Yeah, yeah, it's
still just kind of funny.
Speaker 12: Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's different writers, as we said,
like almost a fully new cast, So I don't know.
It's gonna be one of those interesting sort of legacy
sequel kind of things where of course you still have
the same director, but he's also quite the wild road
since the year two thousand. So I'm really curious to
see what kind of what the vibe is like generally speaking.
Speaker 13: You know Pirates Caribean theme right at the opening.
Speaker 12: Yep, I mean that's actually a good point because that
is kind of the theme of this movie pops up
multiple times. So I wonder if they're going to reuse
that because now people be like, oh, I want to
rip off of Pirates because like no one remembers the
theme of this movie. But that would be a wild decision.
I think it's I wonder I'm going to actually see
who they.
Speaker 3: Got that they got that sequence in here where the
arena the colseum fills up with water and they got
the boats here with the Pirates theme just full swing,
fraidy to get wet.
Speaker 12: Oh man, Yeah, I'm I'm gonna try and find real
quick who the composer is of.
Speaker 13: I'll get my closing thoughts. Then that's an appropriate to it?
Do it? Do It? Do It Kill Her? Do It
out a Rebel Moon? Part two? Yeah? I know this movie.
This movie is fantastic. Man, I really really love this movie.
I I think I would have it like my top
ten favorite movies of all time. But like for being
just like a historical Like now, I see this more
of a historical drama more so than like a like
a an action movie, And I just think it does
such a great job at telling like an inspirational taking
like overthrowing a tyrant type of film. Like I just
really think that there's a lot of magic in this
movie of just whether it's the costume designs or the
scale of everything, the moving pieces that are in here,
phenomenal actors, the run time that really just blows by.
Brought that up earlier, just like the pacing is just
it's really smooth, it's really nice. Just it's just a
nice movie to watch. So this is one that because
like because it's probably been like over a decade since
I've watched it. Like I think the last time I
did watch this movie probably would have been in that
Grade eight history class, whatever it was. I feel like
I'm gonna I'll be wanting to throw this one on
actually more often, like I don't know, maybe a year
or so. Just just get my Gladiator fixed and hopefully
Gladier two is really really good and I can just
do a nice little double feature thing there and yeah,
I'm I'm definitely I would say my hype like spiked
now going into the second movie. I was hopeful, especially
just getting those earlier trailers. I feel like those kind
of reignited some of the magic and like, oh man, yeah,
I'm ready for some gladiatorial battles. But now that I've
gone through the first movie again, fucking ready, man, I'm ready,
I'm ready for it. So yeah, I'm gonna I'll get
my tunic out or my toga whatever they're called, and
the that era.
Speaker 12: Leave your sword and shield at home, maybe.
Speaker 13: I'll leave myself. I'll bring my grapes. I'm more of
a commedist type of role, you know in wartimes, as
opposed to a.
Speaker 12: Maximum in front of someone's face.
Speaker 13: I just picture that one robot from Futurama, you know,
oh yeah whatever his name was, Yeah, but oh yeah,
number rating? Uh ten? Why not?
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, so casually dropped a ten out of ten.
Speaker 13: That's crazy, dropped it like commodists.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I did look it up, and it is a new
composer for well, not a new he's he's an aged composer,
but he it's someone different from the first one who
just has like the funniest career did. He composed the
music for Shrek, Spy Kids, Metal Gear, Solid Four, Call
of Duty, Modern Warfare, Excellent Origins, Wolverine, the Martians. So
he's worked at Ridley Scott before we got the Meg
we got the Meg two, We've got a house of Gucci.
So this guy is just he's everywhere, He's composing no
matter what the genre is, he is your guy.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 12: That guy's name is Harry Gregson Williams, So we'll see
what kind of music he drums up for the sequel here. Yeah,
I had a really good time with this movie. It
was a really good discussion to just break down some
of these character things, and I think it was it
was as you mentioned Kirkland, Like obviously I didn't have
the nostalgic view of like loving the fight scenes back
in the day, but just seeing like, man, this movie
really did have a huge focus on on characters and writing,
especially with all the rewrites. It's it's fun to hear
that kind of how that came to be. But yeah,
really really good time. Really excited for this sequel. I'm
gonna drop a point four on this puppy right here.
Speaker 4: Four.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, I am just super super stoked for
this sequel. I'm super stoked to just see how the
technology is improved on everything we got to dive into
with this movie. Because this movie I thought it was
fun and getting the lions in there, and getting all
the different like chariots and all the fun little things.
Speaker 12: There were tigers, tigers. There's lions in there.
Speaker 13: There's lions and tigers. Everything in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just everything anything with teeth and claws just prants
around in there. I I think it's gonna be it's
gonna be a wild time. It's gonna be a good time.
But yeah, this this movie was It was a lot
of fun. It was great, and it definitely it's one
that sure as a little kid, I would have just
been loving it, and I'm surprised I didn't get around
to watching it.
Speaker 11: As a little kid.
Speaker 3: But as an adult it's nice because you can seeing
all these movies and again maybe a little foreshadowed good fellas,
like again watching these movies now and just being able
to have a little bit more worldly experience to a
slight degree. I Mean, I'm not a gladiator, but at
least I can kind of follow along with the motives
of the characters and just kind of see like, Okay,
these guys are real jerks and just kind of like
fill in the gaps a little bit more as supposed
to being a kid and be like, oh yeah, fucking
kill them and it's.
Speaker 11: Just like sounding like one of the audience members or something.
Speaker 3: So don't mock me.
Speaker 13: They'll mock me back in the day.
Speaker 11: But yeah, I'm gonna go. I'll probably go a nine
out of ten.
Speaker 3: I'm in the middle with between you guys, So I'm
excited to rewatch this movie. I'm excited to watch it
after I watched the second one and yeah, that does it.
So anything else do you guys have?
Speaker 12: Absolutely not?
Speaker 3: Thank you. Okay, Well, we'll see you guys next time.
Take care, stay safe.
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