Speaker 1: All right, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Drivetime Monday afternoon, ten minutes past the hour of two o'clock.
Speaker 1: It is cloudy and it is cold.
Speaker 2: It is November in Salt Lake City, and as it
Speaker 2: is every single day, it's going to have you along
Speaker 2: for the ride. Spence check, it's beyond the Mike Porter
Speaker 2: Larsen behind the glass. Happy Monday to you. Hope you
Speaker 2: had a great weekend. It was a chaotic weekend in
Speaker 2: the world of college and pro football. That's one of
Speaker 2: the wildest weekends I've seen in football in quite some time.
Speaker 1: We'll get to all the storylines, of course, both locally
Speaker 1: and nationally.
Speaker 2: Both BYU and Utah on the football side of things,
Speaker 2: came back, Can had a chance at the end, but
Speaker 2: neither was able to get over the line to get
Speaker 2: it done. And now BYU needs a little help. Now
Speaker 2: they had everything in front of him, in front of them,
Speaker 2: and now they're going to need a little help if
Speaker 2: they want to go to Dallas for the Big twelve
Speaker 2: championship game. Of course, we will talk about all the
Speaker 2: storylines pertinent to that, and of course Utah for the
Speaker 2: first time since I believe twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, somewhere
Speaker 2: thereabouts will not be going to a bowl game after Look,
Speaker 2: it was a really fun college football environment, really fun
Speaker 2: college football game.
Speaker 1: Iowa State's not a bad team. It's a good team.
Speaker 2: They come into Salt Lake City and ride off into
Speaker 2: the sunset with a thirty one to twenty eight win
Speaker 2: after a valiant comeback by Utah football with my guy
Speaker 2: the Ferrari shout out to Luke Patari under center, Where
Speaker 2: has that been? I know a lot of Youte fans
Speaker 2: kind of frustrated there, But we'll get to, you.
Speaker 1: Know what kind of what happened over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Then we'll kind of preview what's next coming up on
Speaker 2: Friday in Orlando, the happiest place on Earth. Spoiler alert,
Speaker 2: it's not. It's Central Florida. You've just been to Disney World.
Speaker 2: Utah at this point is a massive underdog. They're a
Speaker 2: nine point five point underdog that over unders forty seven
Speaker 2: point five. So, according to Vegas, Utah most likely to
Speaker 2: end the season with eight straight losses, something that has
Speaker 2: never happened. It would be the longest losing streak in
Speaker 2: the history of Utah football. BYU on the other hand,
Speaker 2: is a thirteen point five point favorite over Houston coming
Speaker 2: up on Saturday night at Lavelle Edwards Stadium, eight to fifteen.
Speaker 1: Kick.
Speaker 2: That's going to be a cold one, of course, after Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: and BYU needs to win and they need help namely
Speaker 2: either Iowa State or Arizona State to get the l
Speaker 2: scenes as the kids would say down in Tempe. As
Speaker 2: Arizona State gets that win twenty eight to twenty three.
Speaker 2: And BYU has now lost two straight football games after
Speaker 2: starting the season off at nine to zero. So we'll
Speaker 2: do a lot of college football on the show today,
Speaker 2: we'll do some pro football as well. Your NFL Week
Speaker 2: twelve wraps up tonight with the Ravens and the Chargers
Speaker 2: at SOFI Stadium in Inglewood, California. Baltimore is a two
Speaker 2: point five point favorite the over Hunders fifty point five,
Speaker 2: so Vegas expecting a lot of scoring tonight with some
Speaker 2: Monday Night football, which, of course, as you know, we
Speaker 2: are your home with the NFL here in this little market,
Speaker 2: so you can hear Monday Night football right after we
Speaker 2: say good night at six here on a ESPN seven hundred.
Speaker 1: I'll be on TV with Dave Fox tonight.
Speaker 2: Two pelotons, two Emmy's at ten thirty five on KMYU.
Speaker 1: We call that five questions was Spence.
Speaker 2: So we are very very busy on the show today,
Speaker 2: pretty football centric, but we will of course talk and basketball.
Speaker 2: The Utah Jazz beat the New York Knicks. The Knicks
Speaker 2: were the second best offense in Pro basketball prior to
Speaker 2: the game Matt and Ay on Saturday, Walker Kessler rolls
Speaker 2: back into the lineup after missing six games and played really,
Speaker 2: really well one twenty one, one oh six. That was
Speaker 2: potentially the best game I've seen them play all year long.
Speaker 2: And the next namely Karl Anthony Towns, Jalen Bronson, they
Speaker 2: could not hit a shot. Michel Bridges couldn't hit it either.
Speaker 2: They were seventeen to fifty one from three. Jazz went
Speaker 2: nineteen to thirty four. Lowry had five, Colin had six,
Speaker 2: Johnny guesseay and came off the bench when four of
Speaker 2: seven from three. The Jazz really shot it well and
Speaker 2: in a sneaky way. Their offense has been a little
Speaker 2: bit better as of late. So we'll get this NBA
Speaker 2: stuff of course as well on the show today, in
Speaker 2: addition to our college and pro football content with a
Speaker 2: good guest list right out of the gates. One of
Speaker 2: the best to ever do it in both college and
Speaker 2: pro football. Steve Young, former BYU quarterback, former San Francisco
Speaker 2: forty nine er quarterback. I played in Steve's charity golf
Speaker 2: tournament a week ago. He's good enough to agree to
Speaker 2: join us today, even though my golf game did not
Speaker 2: reflect that. I deserve it with a bad performance last week.
Speaker 2: But Steve's gonna hop on the show today. Excited to
Speaker 2: get to that. Tom Haberstrow NBA Daily Assist. If you're
Speaker 2: a fan of the show, First of all, thank you,
Speaker 2: how are you? Second of all, you know Tom. Tom
Speaker 2: spent a number of years with ESPN, NBC. He now
Speaker 2: has a column for Yahoo, and he does a lot
Speaker 2: of work with a Portland Trailblazer broadcast team. We are
Speaker 2: in the midst of a historically ridiculous season from Nicola Jokic,
Speaker 2: but not a lot of people are talking about it
Speaker 2: because he's missing time and Denver is potentially not as
Speaker 2: good as most people thought. But we're gonna get to
Speaker 2: some jazz and some NBA with Tom haberstroked it out
Speaker 2: of Monday afternoon as we are wont to Mondays of
Speaker 2: the college football season.
Speaker 1: This is the final time we will be able to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: Because Coach Wit addressed the media earlier today, he was
Speaker 2: asked about his future. He was asked about the future
Speaker 2: of Camra, Rising said he expects cam to make a
Speaker 2: decision in a week to ten days about potentially coming
Speaker 2: back for an eighth year to play for the Utes.
Speaker 2: So I'll bring that to you guys coming up on
Speaker 2: this Monday at three thirty. And then Richard Smith and
Speaker 2: doctor Chris Hill, both of them live in Studios studio
Speaker 2: today at four o'clock for an entire hour. All three
Speaker 2: of us are obnoxious Northeast people, so just stay tuned
Speaker 2: to be annoyed.
Speaker 1: I'd offended for an entire hour.
Speaker 2: We'll do some jazz, we'll do some utes, We'll just
Speaker 2: have fun with Smitty and doctor Hill, and then we'll
Speaker 2: launch it unto the five o'clock hour of the program today.
Speaker 2: So Steve Young, Tom Haberstrow, let's hear from Coach Wit,
Speaker 2: Richard Smith, Doctor Chris Hill, me Spence check it to
Speaker 2: all of you the great listeners.
Speaker 1: Happy Monday. Hope you had a great weekend off to
Speaker 1: a good start to your work. Week.
Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving week to you. Hopefully you have some time off.
Speaker 2: And that young man, his name is Porter Larson on
Speaker 2: a Monday afternoon, all right, what up? Unleash the ferrari
Speaker 2: our guy actually showed something and deja vu. Man, they're
Speaker 2: gonna play Loop coming up on Friday. It's their fifth quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's just.
Speaker 2: It's wild. It really is seven straight ls. I do
Speaker 2: think Saturday night was fun. If you can just kind
Speaker 2: of hone in on one game in a vacuum, it
Speaker 2: was a great college football game.
Speaker 1: I'm just.
Speaker 2: I'm stunned that we're sitting here with a football team
Speaker 2: that's lost seven straight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well it is kind of encapsulates Utah season, right the
Speaker 4: fact that they're down to Luke Patari and now Dalan
Speaker 4: Engleman for their backup against UCF. And if they were
Speaker 4: to lose one of those or both of those guys,
Speaker 4: Kyle said he doesn't really know what they would what
Speaker 4: they would do probably Wildcat with mcgui Bernard or someone there.
Speaker 4: The original Wildcat quarterback was kind of brand Keithy. This year,
Speaker 4: they don't even have him, So, yeah, what Utah would
Speaker 4: do if if it got even worse, would be it
Speaker 4: would be an interesting situation, but it does kind of,
Speaker 4: you know, reflect the season they've had, unfortunately, but it
Speaker 4: was cool to see Luke, I think, perform well on
Speaker 4: Senior Night and listen with the way the quarterback position
Speaker 4: has been played, I'll be honest with you, I would
Speaker 4: have liked to see some more reps from mister Luke
Speaker 4: Patari throughout the season, especially when you were wavering, when
Speaker 4: you weren't sure if Isaac or Brandon Rose was ready
Speaker 4: to run Andy Ludwigs's offense or maybe make a switch
Speaker 4: of offensive coordinator mid season. That's tough on a kid
Speaker 4: who's never ran the system before. Anyway, I think you know,
Speaker 4: from my perspective, I know hindsight is twenty twenty. I
Speaker 4: would like to see a little more of Luke Patari,
Speaker 4: and hopefully we see a little glimpse of that on Friday,
Speaker 4: the short week, which is always fun.
Speaker 1: Not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: When I was watching my guy for the Ferrari lead
Speaker 2: Utah on a comeback that nearly got it done, it
Speaker 2: made me miss the long hair because I'm short.
Speaker 1: Now that you buzzed it hair short.
Speaker 2: I didn't buzz it well, but I had it down.
Speaker 2: Didn't go Britney spears. I had it down past the shoulders.
Speaker 2: And you know when I think I told you this
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago, my friends and I did this thing
Speaker 2: on our text threat to send the most COVID pick possible.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 4: And you remember when I had very long haired beard.
Speaker 2: I had the hair past the shoulder and a beard
Speaker 2: that was just way too long. You could taste your
Speaker 2: dinner from the night before. That was mine. And it's
Speaker 2: not a good look.
Speaker 4: It's I don't mind it, but hey, I do want
Speaker 4: to go back to something. You you you kind of
Speaker 4: glanced past it very quickly. Your performance at the Steve
Speaker 4: Young Golf tournament. You got you went, You went real
Speaker 4: quick by by that certain topic.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that later. Let me just say this, Okay,
Speaker 2: it was a scramble. It was a four man scramble.
Speaker 2: And maybe I'll just give Steve some credit. Now, I
Speaker 2: can't do that because I throw the guys under the bus.
Speaker 2: He put my brother and I with potentially the two
Speaker 2: worst golfers in the entire group. And my bro, my
Speaker 2: brother Nate, is a busy guy, doesn't play a lot
Speaker 2: of golf.
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you this. We had four birdies. I
Speaker 1: had three of them.
Speaker 2: Oh, so you didn't play it terrible. I wasn't great
Speaker 2: and our group wasn't great either. But I'll go into
Speaker 2: more detail later because we have housekeeping to do.
Speaker 1: Sound good.
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Speaker 2: All right, So, as we've already discussed a absolute chaotic week
Speaker 2: of college and pro football, quite frankly, where a lot
Speaker 2: of teams, both in the Big Twelve and throughout the
Speaker 2: course of college football.
Speaker 1: Had everything in front of them.
Speaker 2: I don't love the term like control your own destiny,
Speaker 2: Like how many times have you heard that over the
Speaker 2: past twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: But certainly Brigham Young in.
Speaker 2: Colorado, which was the game that I was kind of
Speaker 2: sneaky cheering for. I just think that would be super
Speaker 2: entertaining to see a local team go up against Dion
Speaker 2: on such a big stage. Both BYU and Colorado had
Speaker 2: everything to play, play for and potentially, as they say,
Speaker 2: control their own destiny, and both just fell flat on
Speaker 2: their face. Is it possible that Kansas is the best
Speaker 2: team in the Big Twelve right now?
Speaker 1: Is anybody good? Is anybody bad?
Speaker 2: Nothing makes sense with this flukey conference, man, this hokey conference.
Speaker 2: Colorado goes to Kansas and they essentially get their doors
Speaker 2: blown off. They were down big, I think it was
Speaker 2: seventeen zero. They did mount a comeback because they started
Speaker 2: force feeding Travis Hunter, who was so insanely good. That
Speaker 2: kid should and probably will win the Heisman. But Kansas
Speaker 2: takes that game thirty seven to twenty one, and Colorado
Speaker 2: is still alive. There are actually eight teams that are
Speaker 2: technically still alive in the Big Twelve, and of course BYU.
Speaker 1: Was one of them.
Speaker 2: So BYU goes down to Tempe and by the way,
Speaker 2: let me just say this. My sincere win this holiday
Speaker 2: season for all of my listeners is that you find
Speaker 2: something that you're as passionate about as BYU fans are
Speaker 2: as passionate about calling out the behavior of other fan bases,
Speaker 2: win or lose man.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 2: We get videos over the course of like seventy two
Speaker 2: hours like oh look at this guy.
Speaker 1: Can you believe what this fan did?
Speaker 4: Bad?
Speaker 2: Look for the ASU security probably should have been a
Speaker 2: little bit more on top of it. And I do
Speaker 2: want to give the BYU coaches and players a lot
Speaker 2: of credit for not cole cock in one of those
Speaker 2: little frat boys that ran up on them and tried
Speaker 2: to get chesty, like, well done, gentlemen. When I'm watching
Speaker 2: the ASU fans rush the field not once but twice
Speaker 2: and trying to hone in on how many of these
Speaker 2: kids are jumping up in the face as a BYU
Speaker 2: players and coaches, I'm expecting somebody to get kinda kuid
Speaker 2: from the Miami Beach Brawl Bowl back in the day,
Speaker 2: and I'm watching for it. I'm waiting for it, hoping
Speaker 2: it didn't happen. But the BYU coaches and players showed
Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of restraints and apparently there was beer.
Speaker 1: Billed on people.
Speaker 2: I mean, this fan base gets beer porn on them
Speaker 2: wherever they're at, which I always find a little bit odd,
Speaker 2: like that is the go to how they were wasted
Speaker 2: their porn.
Speaker 1: Beer on us? Really, like are you sure?
Speaker 2: But anyway, I thought the players and coaches showed tremendous
Speaker 2: restraint and ultimately you can get mad about the final
Speaker 2: play all you want. Should it have been intentional grounding
Speaker 2: on Sam Levitt? By the way, Dallan Levitt released a
Speaker 2: video on social that appears to show his feelings for
Speaker 2: the BYU fan base, not coaches and players. And I
Speaker 2: always talk about the difference between the two on this show,
Speaker 2: and there is a mighty difference. But Sam Levitt, and
Speaker 2: by the way, what is Kenny Dillingham doing? I mean,
Speaker 2: he's obviously a bright, smart coach. He was one of
Speaker 2: my favorite interviews for a Big twelve media day. But
Speaker 2: that was like the most cowardly way to finish a
Speaker 2: game I've ever seen. And yes, the bottom line is
Speaker 2: just to get the hell out of dodge and get
Speaker 2: the win and move on. But they had the ball
Speaker 2: essentially near the goal line, just go score man. He
Speaker 2: has Sam Levitt run backwards a couple different times, and
Speaker 2: then Sam throws the ball of bounds. You guys have
Speaker 2: seen it by now. Essentially that's intentional grounding. It should
Speaker 2: have been, and I thought one point of emphasis was
Speaker 2: to call, you know, unsportsmanlike penalties on teams where the
Speaker 2: fans rush the field way too early, like BYU. To me,
Speaker 2: probably should have had that ball a little bit closer
Speaker 2: to the end zone, maybe about the forty yard line.
Speaker 2: But as it is, you know, Jake rushes out of
Speaker 2: the pocket on the right side, he heaves it but
Speaker 2: doesn't get it into the end zone. Chase catches it
Speaker 2: on like the three yard line, and your game is over.
Speaker 2: But ultimately it's the start for the second straight week
Speaker 2: for BYU that you look at. They were down twenty
Speaker 2: one zero, They had three points in the first half
Speaker 2: and then just came out gangbusters in the second and
Speaker 2: really did a great job to come back.
Speaker 1: And I actually thought they.
Speaker 2: Were going to do it again because we've seen it
Speaker 2: from them so many times. But it does give credence
Speaker 2: to the people who were a little bit skeptical about
Speaker 2: annointy in BYU as they started their season off and
Speaker 2: continue to rack up wins, and there were a lot
Speaker 2: of fortunate moments, but ultimately I do think this gives
Speaker 2: some credence to the people that were a little bit skeptical.
Speaker 2: Now that BYU has lost two straight games. I do
Speaker 2: think the game they're going to look back on is
Speaker 2: thirteen points at home against Kansas. ASU is really good
Speaker 2: and Dylan Ham's done a really, really good job.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Cam Scataboo, as we know, is a really good back.
Speaker 2: He goes for one forty seven and three touchdowns. And
Speaker 2: now BYU has to beat Houston coming up on Saturday
Speaker 2: in Provo, and they have to have either ASU or
Speaker 2: Iowa stayed to lose. Iowa States at home against k States,
Speaker 2: and ASU is on the road to finish the season
Speaker 2: with a rival with Arizona. So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2: We'll get to some Utah football coming up. But coming
Speaker 2: up next, Steve Young is going to join us efforting
Speaker 2: they say in the business to get Steve Young on
Speaker 2: the on the horn A little tied up right now,
Speaker 2: so we might bump that to a little bit later.
Speaker 2: Excited to have Richard Smith and doctor Chris Hill live
Speaker 2: and studio we're gonnaduce Mba with Tom Haberstrow, but as
Speaker 2: we are wont to do every Monday during the college
Speaker 2: football season. In case you missed it from earlier, here
Speaker 2: is the head ball coach for the Utes, coach Wit
Speaker 2: Short again.
Speaker 6: So disappointing a lot of positive things in that game.
Speaker 6: Exceptionally pleased with the way the special teams played. It
Speaker 6: was the best special teams performance of the season. Made
Speaker 6: some impact plays. Recovering the muffed punt return from the opponent,
Speaker 6: set the offense up on the seventeen yard line I
Speaker 6: believe it was, and we blocked a punt for a touchdown,
Speaker 6: and so some real impact plays that occurred specialties wise.
Speaker 6: It was good to see because we had not done
Speaker 6: much of that this year. Luke Pattari that he came
Speaker 6: in and really provided a spark. Luke, just like last
Speaker 6: year when he was called upon the Colorado game, I
Speaker 6: believe it was last game of the season.
Speaker 7: Uh will be the starter of this week.
Speaker 6: Isaac will not be available and so Uh, you know,
Speaker 6: for a guy that started the season as the fifth
Speaker 6: string guy and really didn't have a whole lot of
Speaker 6: of a chance to play, just continued to keep himself
Speaker 6: ready every single week in case.
Speaker 7: And uh last week was the week that.
Speaker 6: That he got his opportunity and and really did some
Speaker 6: good things. Came in and and uh really uh you know,
Speaker 6: provided the spark for us, and so that was that
Speaker 6: was good to see Luke uh do that. And again
Speaker 6: he'll get the opportunity this week to be the starter.
Speaker 6: Uh some other performances, Dandri and Zipper came in and
Speaker 6: did a nice job. We uh you know, missing a
Speaker 6: couple three or four two or three receivers and so
Speaker 6: he uh had his opportunity and uh made the most
Speaker 6: of it. Had four catches. Uh big catch at the
Speaker 6: beginning of the game. It was great catch on the
Speaker 6: deep ball.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 6: Keith Olsen Uh our right guard again where I said
Speaker 6: after the Prescott's were down to our fifth, fifth right
Speaker 6: guard or fifth guard overall. And he came in and
Speaker 6: really played well. First opportunity to play as a ute
Speaker 6: and did some good things. So a lot of positives
Speaker 6: in the game, but again we weren't able to get
Speaker 6: the win. And now we got to Central Florida on
Speaker 6: the road Friday, so a little bit of a short week.
Speaker 6: So today we'll be back on the field and practicing
Speaker 6: as if it was a Tuesday and proceed through our
Speaker 6: paces during the week. Central Florida really potent on offense,
Speaker 6: leading the conference offensively, running the ball exceptionally well, as
Speaker 6: is the case with any GUS balls on team. You're
Speaker 6: gonna you're gonna have a strong run game. They're running
Speaker 6: it for over two to fifty a week and another
Speaker 6: couple hundred throwing the ball, so just over four to
Speaker 6: fifty a week of total low. It's going points, good
Speaker 6: on third down, good in the red zone. So it'll
Speaker 6: be uh challenge for for our defense this week to
Speaker 6: to face that, uh, particularly that rushing attack. So questions
Speaker 6: I got just maybe this spokesperson, Oh yeah, it's.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a two part two party.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 9: It would seem that the old pack called schools not
Speaker 9: just Utah I have had a difficult time adjusting to
Speaker 9: the Big Pole Conference. Do you have any thoughts as
Speaker 9: to why this is also and real in this question?
Speaker 9: Any thoughts about completing your twenty first year.
Speaker 6: With the university? You, uh, okay, most of my twentieth year.
Speaker 6: Are you talking about next year?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Next year?
Speaker 6: Okay, uh okay. Let's see first part par Pack twelve. Well,
Speaker 6: Colorado's having no problem adjusting as there's no State isn't
Speaker 6: either They're they're both uh seem to be faring very well.
Speaker 7: In fact, I believe.
Speaker 6: There are two of the four teams that still have
Speaker 6: uh possibilities to play in the championship game if I if.
Speaker 7: I got that right, Uh.
Speaker 6: Okay, Uh, then there's us who obviously is are have
Speaker 6: our own struggles. Who am I missing?
Speaker 7: Who else?
Speaker 6: Arizona Arizona is pretty much where we are. I guess
Speaker 6: in the in the in the uh for the year
Speaker 6: and so don't have a good answer for it. Uh
Speaker 6: football cyclical in in a lot of ways, and and
Speaker 6: uh you just got to do the best you can.
Speaker 6: But but I know that, like I said, those two
Speaker 6: Colorado and Arizona State are seemingly making a very strong transition.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 6: Second part my twenty first year, I'll I uh will
Speaker 6: you know obviously evaluate after the season's over see what
Speaker 6: see what the situation is. But my decision we made
Speaker 6: on what's best for the program, that what's best for me.
Speaker 6: So it'll be completely determined on how I feel, uh
Speaker 6: this program is best served going forward. And uh so yeah,
Speaker 6: that's where that is kay.
Speaker 11: I'll kind of piggybacking off of that decision. You know,
Speaker 11: you have an offensive coordinator higher that you have to
Speaker 11: make you a transfer classt. I'm sure you're thinking about
Speaker 11: will you make that decision after all of those moves
Speaker 11: are done?
Speaker 7: Can't tell you for sure.
Speaker 6: You know, it's just uh, like I said, after the
Speaker 6: final game's finished Friday, you know, four days from now,
Speaker 6: five days from now, UH sit down and and uh
Speaker 6: evaluate everything. I can tell you right now that coach
Speaker 6: Scaley will be involved in decisions going forward because it's
Speaker 6: it's the only right that he he uh does that
Speaker 6: because he's uh the coaching waiting and and when that
Speaker 6: time comes, you know, we need to make sure that
Speaker 6: uh you know he's had uh input on on big
Speaker 6: decisions and so uh it'll be a team effort in
Speaker 6: that respect going forward.
Speaker 7: As far as hiring and recruiting and that type of thing.
Speaker 8: Do you have in the quarterback situation, you will uh
Speaker 8: how much of my priority is that you get a
Speaker 8: start a literal quarterback.
Speaker 9: On a ton?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, we gotta we gotta solve our quarterback problems.
Speaker 6: I can tell you that, and that that has been
Speaker 6: you know a uh difficult thing this year, and we're
Speaker 6: now on our fifth QB and uh we got one
Speaker 6: left after that. We have six to twelve in the program.
Speaker 6: So so Dallan Ingerman, we'll be backing up uh Luke
Speaker 6: Matari in this game. And uh that's all she wrote
Speaker 6: after those two. Uh, I don't have a good answer,
Speaker 6: so we hope it doesn't come to beyond that. But
Speaker 6: but quarterback, as I said over and over, the most
Speaker 6: important position in football, in team sports, period and you
Speaker 6: better be uh good there if you wanna have a
Speaker 6: chance to win. So we've got to evaluate. Just like
Speaker 6: I've got to evaluate my situation, we've got to evaluate
Speaker 6: the quarterback situation and to make sure we have ourselves
Speaker 6: covered for next year. I guess that's the best answer I.
Speaker 7: Can give PK.
Speaker 8: Well, I be right.
Speaker 7: For spootball, Yes, we think that is gonna be the case.
Speaker 6: Uh there's still a few more evaluations that need to
Speaker 6: take place, but but it's looking like uh spring ball
Speaker 6: is in play.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then the transfers, obviously they've already been through the
Speaker 6: recruiting process.
Speaker 12: I'm wondering where do they place this priority as far
Speaker 12: as inn al.
Speaker 7: Uh incoming portal transfers for us. UH.
Speaker 6: Top well, the top priority is is uh being able
Speaker 6: to uh retain your own roster and and the you know,
Speaker 6: the players on your roster that are particularly.
Speaker 7: The key guys.
Speaker 6: And then uh you'll also have uh key roles that
Speaker 6: need to be filled uh through the portal via the portal,
Speaker 6: and so that will be uh right there at the
Speaker 6: at the top of the list. And so we've already
Speaker 6: begun the process of of having conversations with our own
Speaker 6: players and making sure that we got uh, you know,
Speaker 6: everything in order there and uh then we move on
Speaker 6: to the next phase, which is which is the portal.
Speaker 6: And then of course you're incoming freshmen but will be
Speaker 6: uh involved in that as well. But portal will be
Speaker 6: a priority for us. We're gonna I I foresee being
Speaker 6: ten to fifteen players from the portal, uh roughly, and
Speaker 6: uh you know that could change by a guy or two.
Speaker 6: But that's about the projection.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 9: Last year you said was the worst for injuries, where
Speaker 9: a part of it, uh this year worse?
Speaker 7: And is there anything that can be done to avoid.
Speaker 8: Somebody in that?
Speaker 6: Well, UH, that's a good question. Which one is worse
Speaker 6: is they're both both been uh challenging. Uh we did
Speaker 6: make a lot of adjustments in our m fall camp
Speaker 6: and uh a ramp up to the season, which did
Speaker 6: pay dividends. We had, like I said, way back when,
Speaker 6: seventy percent fewer soft tissue injuries. But uh, the injuries
Speaker 6: that we're incurring now, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 6: if you can do anything about that through train and
Speaker 6: uh all that stuff. But but uh, we certainly made
Speaker 6: a huge step forward in the uh soft tissue, which
Speaker 6: last year was was a problem uh big time. And
Speaker 6: so I'm not a a doctor or a physical therapist,
Speaker 6: but but uh, we feel like we're doing everything we can.
Speaker 6: We have a great strength program that our guys get
Speaker 6: bigger and stronger, and it's just uh, I I really
Speaker 6: have no great answer other than we looked at it
Speaker 6: from every angle this year, and we'll do it again
Speaker 6: uh after the season, and try to continue to make
Speaker 6: uh progress of that regard.
Speaker 12: And then not nily got on a specific game, But
Speaker 12: how soon is it for how important is it for
Speaker 12: you to make a decision as soon as possible for
Speaker 12: recruits and players?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 6: Well, with the coach of waiting in place, we all
Speaker 6: we already have that discussion with recruits that when that
Speaker 6: time comes, here's what the plan is. And and so
Speaker 6: it's not like, uh, you know, the recruits and our
Speaker 6: own guys don't know what the succession plan is. And
Speaker 6: so that that takes some of the edge off it.
Speaker 6: And uh, it would be a whole different if we
Speaker 6: didn't have that plan in place, because then if I
Speaker 6: you know, when that time comes, it would be anybody's guests,
Speaker 6: you know what's gonna happen and who's it gonna be.
Speaker 6: But they know exactly what the what the plan is.
Speaker 6: And that that again was the real reason for laying
Speaker 6: down that plan several months ago when when it was announced.
Speaker 11: So many coaches, I mean Nick Saban, Virginias men's basketball
Speaker 11: coach recently, they've all sort of not been driven out
Speaker 11: of the game, but it played a factor. Nil played
Speaker 11: a factor, and their decision, you know, the game wasn't
Speaker 11: what it was for them, you know twenty years some
Speaker 11: ago whenever they became head coach.
Speaker 1: Does that impact.
Speaker 7: Your decision at all?
Speaker 11: The way the game's changed and evolved.
Speaker 6: I think everything reacts that decision. And uh, in il
Speaker 6: is certainly the biggest game changer of them all with
Speaker 6: the portal, they're kind of linked together in a way,
Speaker 6: and and players just the challenge of so much turnover
Speaker 6: in your roster and and uh, the you know you're
Speaker 6: playing for the love of the game now is that's
Speaker 6: kind of a thing of the past. I mean, there
Speaker 6: are obviously there's players that love football and and would
Speaker 6: play if there wasn't an il. I mean it's it's
Speaker 6: not I'm not saying that, but but that seems to
Speaker 6: have taken a back seat to uh as far as
Speaker 6: their decision making.
Speaker 7: Anyway, where am I going to play?
Speaker 6: It's you know, who's got the the best financial opportunity,
Speaker 6: and I guess you you know, you can't blame them.
Speaker 6: And this is life changing money for a lot of
Speaker 6: these guys that their families, uh and everybody will benefit from.
Speaker 6: And so even you know it's here to stay. If
Speaker 6: you don't like it, get out because it's not gonna change.
Speaker 6: It's so adapt or go a different directions.
Speaker 7: I guess.
Speaker 1: Cam was, you know, on the sideline for the first
Speaker 1: time in.
Speaker 7: A while in a boot.
Speaker 11: You know what, I guess have you picked up on
Speaker 11: in terms of his decision and how early or soon
Speaker 11: do you expect him to make a decision on his future?
Speaker 6: You know, I talked to Cam after the game Saturday,
Speaker 6: and we're gonna visit this week and and catch up
Speaker 6: and and uh touch on that as well.
Speaker 7: You know what what his plans are.
Speaker 6: And we Uh, I have no inside scoop or anything
Speaker 6: right now as to what he's thinking. He's just, you know,
Speaker 6: haven't I just try to give him some space and
Speaker 6: let him sort things out and decide, uh which direction
Speaker 6: he wants to go, and so have a better answer
Speaker 6: after this week.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 6: But again that's on time Cam's timeline, and obviously we've
Speaker 6: got to you know, at some point, uh, you know'll
Speaker 6: make our own decisions on what what's gonna happen if
Speaker 6: we if they're still in decisiveness. But but I think
Speaker 6: that should be cleared up, uh in the next week
Speaker 6: to ten days.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Has it heard when he was taken to the ground
Speaker 1: or was here on the ground when he.
Speaker 7: Was I think it was the the rollover, yeah, I think.
Speaker 14: But he was already down on the ground and the player.
Speaker 6: You're talking to the wrong guy about referees and penalties
Speaker 6: and what's going on there.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 7: I just don't.
Speaker 6: I I don't even wanna get into it. But uh no,
Speaker 6: the initial tackle was not what uh caused. It was
Speaker 6: the the finish of the tackle or what do you
Speaker 6: wanna whatever, however you wanna turn it, and uh, yeah, that's.
Speaker 7: What it was.
Speaker 4: So Biggie back him up.
Speaker 14: Of Cam's future, there's are there are a couple other
Speaker 14: guys who have been out for the season with injuries,
Speaker 14: mainly Candid Dons and.
Speaker 15: Leimani to Mooney, have.
Speaker 8: You heard anything from the two of them recording their future?
Speaker 7: Yeah, they both would like to come back.
Speaker 6: Uh as of our recent most recent conversations of that
Speaker 6: again is just like everything is subject to change. But uh,
Speaker 6: Levanni has been rehabbing and and uh doing very well
Speaker 6: and and if he decides to come back, he'll be
Speaker 6: ready to roll in January with off season conditioning and
Speaker 6: and jump right into it.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 6: Cannon's a different story. He was very significant injury and
Speaker 6: and uh uh doctors you know, I've heard uh some
Speaker 6: opinions that uh maybe all the way up until fall
Speaker 6: camp before he'd be ready to try, and maybe no,
Speaker 6: not even quite at the beginning of fall camps. So
Speaker 6: that's a lot more extensive and a lot more to
Speaker 6: it than Levannie, but they both have indicated that they
Speaker 6: would love to come back to for another year, at
Speaker 6: least as of our last conversation, which has been been
Speaker 6: a while with those two guys.
Speaker 15: Following up on sort of the the change in in
Speaker 15: college of football, it seems like you have a lot
Speaker 15: of buying still on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 15: and that's probably in credit to Morgan skying that staff
Speaker 15: and the personable you know, personalities. How much more important
Speaker 15: is it for your culture to the way you build
Speaker 15: your culture to come from coaches rather than players just
Speaker 15: given them kind of the the way that the players have.
Speaker 7: That pretty leave.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we do have good, uh culture in buying on deep,
Speaker 6: but I feel like we have it on all as well.
Speaker 7: I don't think there's a a division there.
Speaker 6: I think that, uh, we we're in pretty good shape
Speaker 6: overall in that regard. But the coaches, you know, it's
Speaker 6: constant teaching, just indoctrinating new guys to our culture and
Speaker 6: how we do things, and and more so than before,
Speaker 6: cause like I said, the numbers are what they are.
Speaker 6: You don't have eighty percent of your team returning teaching
Speaker 6: twenty percent. You got just over half of your team
Speaker 6: returning teaching just under half of the of the new guys,
Speaker 6: and so, uh, coaches need.
Speaker 7: To jump in and be a big part of that.
Speaker 6: And uh it's more so uh than ever and uh,
Speaker 6: I'm sure it'll continue to be.
Speaker 7: Exactly that way. That's how it is, Kyle.
Speaker 11: The beginning of the season, you said you had more
Speaker 11: energy than you think you might have had at any point.
Speaker 8: In your career.
Speaker 11: The way the season has gone, where do you kind
Speaker 11: of gauge where your energy's at looking forward? And and
Speaker 11: kind of in the belief of your energy, do you
Speaker 11: feel like if you were to come back next year
Speaker 11: that you would still have a chance to maybe go
Speaker 11: out on top or or go out on a winning season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, like I said, Uh, it's what's best
Speaker 6: for the program will be dictated, well, my s my
Speaker 6: decision will be dictator based on and uh uh you know,
Speaker 6: to time it just right so you go out at
Speaker 6: just the right time. I mean that they're very very
Speaker 6: small percentage of of people we are ever able to
Speaker 6: do that. And so again I'm not I'm not saying, well,
Speaker 6: this was a bad year, so for me, I gotta
Speaker 6: come back and have a better year.
Speaker 7: I mean everyone wants to have a.
Speaker 6: Better year and next year, regardless of who the coach
Speaker 6: is and and uh, like I said, it's just a
Speaker 6: a an evaluation process from me and my family to decide, uh,
Speaker 6: you know what's best and and uh again, I just
Speaker 6: continue to emphasise put the program first, and whatever the program,
Speaker 6: you know what, what puts the program in the best situation,
Speaker 6: that's the decision I'll make. As far as energy, I
Speaker 6: feel great. I mean I don't have any That's all
Speaker 6: I can beat down. The season has been a beat
Speaker 6: down mentally, but uh physically and and uh just day
Speaker 6: to day, I got plenty of plenty of gas left
Speaker 6: in the tank, right.
Speaker 7: Could you always value uh those extra practices?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 8: For a bowl?
Speaker 7: Again, how much is therespeking for the other guys?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a it's a downer, uh, particularly for the
Speaker 6: younger guys, but not as much as before cause we'll
Speaker 6: have half a new team next year and so they
Speaker 6: won't be here anyway to benefit from those practices. So
Speaker 6: it's nowhere near as uh impactful or beneficial as it
Speaker 6: has been, but it still is. I don't wanna downplay
Speaker 6: it because it's it's better than you know that half
Speaker 6: your guys get get more opportunity than and uh, you know,
Speaker 6: we think outgoing seniors it might even be more than half,
Speaker 6: but but uh or less than half that would benefit
Speaker 6: but but uh, we don't have it, so you know,
Speaker 6: there's nothing we can do about that, and just kind
Speaker 6: of you know, jump into the uh off season strength
Speaker 6: program sooner because of no bowl game and and uh
Speaker 6: you know, and pretty soon I believe you won't have
Speaker 6: spring ball either. I think that's gonna be a thing
Speaker 6: in the past within not too long of a timeframe.
Speaker 6: And so but that'll be our next opportunity to uh
Speaker 6: to work them on the field.
Speaker 7: Did you say that? Was it?
Speaker 8: Dang?
Speaker 7: Dang? Okay, all right, guys, thank you.
Speaker 2: Richard Smith and doctor Chris Hill live in studio, former
Speaker 2: athletic director at the University of Utah. So we'll do
Speaker 2: a little jazz basketball coming up at about four o'clock.
Speaker 1: From right now.
Speaker 2: Now, keep in mind tonight is the Craig Smith Coaches Show,
Speaker 2: and then after you hear from Ryles and Craig, we
Speaker 2: will send you over to Monday Night Football, which should
Speaker 2: be a good one. It's the hardball bull So stay
Speaker 2: tuned for that. We are your home of the NFL
Speaker 2: in this conference, or excuse me, in this market.
Speaker 1: We are efforting. Steve Young coming up here in just
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: We're gonna bring in Tom Haberstrow as well to do
Speaker 2: a little NBA.
Speaker 1: The Utah Jazz got a good win.
Speaker 2: They're playing a little bit better offensively, they've been a
Speaker 2: lot better. We're gonna bring in Tom to kind of
Speaker 2: unpack some reasons as to why the Jazz played the
Speaker 2: Spurs again tomorrow. Am I the only one that's like,
Speaker 2: how many times did the Jazz played the Spurs? Seems
Speaker 2: like every time they have a game, it's against the Spur.
Speaker 2: But the NBA Cup has thrown a little bit of
Speaker 2: a ranch in those plans. So Jazz got a good
Speaker 2: win against the Knicks on Saturday here in Salt Lake.
Speaker 2: He may have been the best game I've seen them
Speaker 2: play all year. They're four and twelve, they're two and
Speaker 2: five at home, They're no longer last in the West.
Speaker 2: I have to wonder ultimately what this season is going
Speaker 2: to look like. So we'll get to some Jazz hoops
Speaker 2: coming up in just a little bit. But excited for
Speaker 2: This does not happen often because he's very busy. I
Speaker 2: had a chance to go play in his charity golf tournament.
Speaker 2: It was a first class event, one of the best
Speaker 2: to ever do it, both in college and pro football.
Speaker 2: Steve Young kind enough to join us on a Monday. Steve,
Speaker 2: Happy Monday, sir.
Speaker 1: How are you you two?
Speaker 8: Spence great to have you last week. And your brother
Speaker 8: Nate and Roan is a r h O. And you
Speaker 8: got to get that out there because he's built a
Speaker 8: business that's amazing. It's I don't wear the suits all
Speaker 8: stretch so for church that's all I wear. I don't
Speaker 8: wear anything else. Never again will I wear anything other
Speaker 8: than stretch suits. Man, I'm not missing around.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I'm currently wearing round. I wear it every single day.
Speaker 2: And I'm certainly proud of my little brother man. He's
Speaker 2: he's certainly built a great company. Unfortunately, Steve, he doesn't
Speaker 2: have a lot of time to play golf, as you
Speaker 2: saw from the scorecard.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's okay, none of us do so fine.
Speaker 8: It's fun. Yeah, it's good to be together. Good Danny
Speaker 8: Ings came down and I love you know. Danny was
Speaker 8: the one that I watched when I was a freshman,
Speaker 8: just killing it at BYU and gave me the idea
Speaker 8: that you could be great at something. And I remember
Speaker 8: I was the equipment manager. Fret Floyd Johnson at the
Speaker 8: time had me come in and do the visiting team towels,
Speaker 8: so that after the game, I and during the game
Speaker 8: I would give them towels and then I would clean
Speaker 8: up the you know kind of the shower and everything.
Speaker 8: After that, those guys left on the bus and that
Speaker 8: was my job. And I got to sit on the
Speaker 8: visiting bench to watch Danny Ainge in that team in
Speaker 8: nineteen eighty dominate. And so anyway, he came down and
Speaker 8: joined me for the tournament last week, as you saw,
Speaker 8: and I love seeing him.
Speaker 2: And I remember playing basketball on lacrosse against your little brother.
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen Jimmy in a long time. So it
Speaker 2: was just great to be with everybody. And I can't
Speaker 2: thank you enough for having us out, Steve.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 8: By the way, Jimbo, Jimbo played lacrosse. He was he
Speaker 8: loved player defense, a long stick, and I go, Jimbo,
Speaker 8: what if lacrosse it looks like to me? You just
Speaker 8: hack at people, Just take the stick and just wrap.
Speaker 8: What kind of game is this?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 8: It was fun to watch that.
Speaker 7: That was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most defensive players that's all they do is hacket people.
Speaker 1: You would have been a.
Speaker 8: Great lacrosse player, Hey, Spence's like anyone in defense on look,
Speaker 8: defense is all about just leon want to screw you
Speaker 8: up saving football, you know, I mean, how can you
Speaker 8: play defensive football? What's my job? Just to screw everything up?
Speaker 8: I just want to screw up. I just want to
Speaker 8: I want to mess everything up. Like what kind of
Speaker 8: world is that to live in? I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I hear you, Steve.
Speaker 2: So I want to start with just a Macro overview
Speaker 2: question about the season, bringing me young his hat after
Speaker 2: Vegas set the over under at four and a half
Speaker 2: and the media picked them to essentially finish last. And
Speaker 2: yes they've lost too straight, but if they win on Saturday,
Speaker 2: that's a ten win season, which is nothing to shake
Speaker 2: your head at at all. What do you most attribute
Speaker 2: what most people believe is a very surprising season from
Speaker 2: BYU football this year?
Speaker 8: Number One, I think Jay Hills built a defense, especially
Speaker 8: the first three quarters of the season, and all of
Speaker 8: us are wondering kind of here at the end, what's
Speaker 8: gone you know, not gone wrong, because, like you said,
Speaker 8: the expectations, but we just have to let's deal with
Speaker 8: the Big twelve championship every year and let's just be
Speaker 8: that right. And so if we say to ourselves, how
Speaker 8: did we get here? We got here on the first
Speaker 8: five games on a defense that was not going to
Speaker 8: let the game get away from us, and because it
Speaker 8: didn't get away from us. And I really appreciate Jake
Speaker 8: let Retsloff and his work that he did in the
Speaker 8: offseason to change his game. He got better and when
Speaker 8: he showed up in the fall, he was a better
Speaker 8: player than he was the year before. And I just
Speaker 8: admire that because so much of that is the grinding
Speaker 8: work of the school work of going in the film memorization,
Speaker 8: it's the stuff that is boring and tedious, and I
Speaker 8: appreciated that. So that allowed Jake to come out and
Speaker 8: learn and have some space in those early games, and
Speaker 8: they can They didn't. He didn't do anything crazy bad.
Speaker 8: He just took some time to grow, and the offense
Speaker 8: grew with him, and all of a sudden, these stars
Speaker 8: showed up all over the field, uh, and to me,
Speaker 8: that's how it happened. And then we just we won
Speaker 8: some coast ball games and kind of got some momentum.
Speaker 8: And I think just here when we got to six
Speaker 8: in the nation and everyone we watched all week at
Speaker 8: ESPN when when they were doing the show and also
Speaker 8: beat while using the top four and getting them by
Speaker 8: and maybe Ohio State comes to you know, to us,
Speaker 8: and you know, it just was it was heavy, heady
Speaker 8: things that we had not had the privilege of being
Speaker 8: around for a long long time. And to be there
Speaker 8: and if to taste it was amazing and we got
Speaker 8: to get used to it. And I think the last
Speaker 8: two games particularly are ones that we I don't know
Speaker 8: that we were ready ready yet like we have to
Speaker 8: we have to well you have to wear the shoes.
Speaker 8: You got to be in those games and know what's
Speaker 8: at stake and know and and you know, deal with
Speaker 8: the build up and and it's just an emotional sophistication
Speaker 8: you get over time that we need to just be,
Speaker 8: you know, we need to kind of grow into. So
Speaker 8: that's my kind of sense of the season. I couldn't
Speaker 8: be I'm ecstatic at what we got out of the season.
Speaker 8: There's no question what we can still get out of
Speaker 8: the season. But if we're you know, I just pray
Speaker 8: that we get a shot at the championship because if
Speaker 8: we can be unleashed again emotionally and kind of stand
Speaker 8: in the shoes that we were in the middle of
Speaker 8: the season, I think, as I said then, when I
Speaker 8: remember when Fox came to town for the Arizona game,
Speaker 8: we can we can stay with anybody, but we have
Speaker 8: to we have to we have to, you know, be
Speaker 8: comfortable in the shoes that we're wearing the time. So
Speaker 8: I know it's a bad analogy, but you get the idea.
Speaker 2: No, I get the idea, And I actually wanted to
Speaker 2: follow up there because it's different when you are not
Speaker 2: expected to do much of anything and you just catch
Speaker 2: everybody off guard. But ultimately they were at nine to
Speaker 2: zero with everything in front of them, the old cliche
Speaker 2: that I don't like controlling their own destiny. So what's
Speaker 2: the type of mentality and the approach that you have
Speaker 2: to take once you go from nobody expected us to
Speaker 2: be here too, We're at the top of the mountain
Speaker 2: and all we need to do is handle our business.
Speaker 2: Because they have not been unable to do that. Steve
Speaker 2: in the past two games, like, what's the change in
Speaker 2: mindset once you get into that space.
Speaker 8: It's human nature when you you know, as I said,
Speaker 8: we need to start every season with we're going to
Speaker 8: go to the Big twelve championship and that is it's
Speaker 8: make or break, and we're going to recruit that way.
Speaker 8: We're gonna play that way, we're gonna call we're gonna
Speaker 8: call defensive offense that way, and that's where we have
Speaker 8: to live and we have to have that expectation, the
Speaker 8: idea that we thought we'd be four than hour. They're like,
Speaker 8: what's amazing. I mean, we thought we'd be fourteenth and
Speaker 8: then we'd I'm not much for that, Like we need
Speaker 8: to have we're going to be in the Big twelve.
Speaker 8: If we're going to compete, let's go do it. And
Speaker 8: I love what basketball has done and what football is
Speaker 8: going to do and what is what they're doing today.
Speaker 8: So in the last couple of games you could tell
Speaker 8: that emotionally again I felt it. It was funny, like
Speaker 8: you know, as you're watching again watching ESPN and you're
Speaker 8: watching the the they described you know, the playoffs, who
Speaker 8: who's seed and what it was going to be and
Speaker 8: it's just really really heavy stuff. And so I think
Speaker 8: when you're not used to it, which how can you
Speaker 8: be used to it? We've never been there, and even
Speaker 8: when we won the national championship in nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 8: it wasn't the same kind of situation, and so this
Speaker 8: is just a we're in a new spot and it's
Speaker 8: really cool, it's fun, it's like exciting. But human nature
Speaker 8: is when you get those huge expectations you're not used
Speaker 8: to it, you tend to retract, you know, you tend
Speaker 8: to to you know, kind of be careful and because
Speaker 8: you don't want to lose it, you know, like, oh
Speaker 8: my gosh, I have a shot here. This is amazing.
Speaker 8: Let's not blow it. And it's just natural when you're
Speaker 8: not when you haven't done it very much, that you
Speaker 8: don't get as you're as expansive as you were when
Speaker 8: you're inhabiting to lose, and all of a sudden you
Speaker 8: have lots to lose and it gets hard. And so
Speaker 8: the way I would get through it, which is a
Speaker 8: hope in what I was hoping for last week, is
Speaker 8: that after getting you know, kicked in the teeth in
Speaker 8: Canada at home against Kansas that we would say, Okay,
Speaker 8: enough of that, let's fake it till we make it,
Speaker 8: Like let's just we're not gonna do it this way,
Speaker 8: let's let it rip. And I think in the second
Speaker 8: half last week we did and we almost pulled it off,
Speaker 8: but because we started slow, and I guess we have
Speaker 8: to have to go through it, or you know, the
Speaker 8: school has to go through it, fans have to go
Speaker 8: through it, the coaches have to go through it, the
Speaker 8: players especially have to go through and so we'll build
Speaker 8: those muscles. And that's what the season is amazing about.
Speaker 8: But I don't want any right now. I don't want
Speaker 8: any talk about, oh, what a great well, it doesn't
Speaker 8: matter we had a great season. Oh Like, no, we
Speaker 8: are here, own it. Jump in like, don't give an inch,
Speaker 8: and like we just pray that somebody lose this week
Speaker 8: so we can get to that championship game and and
Speaker 8: build the muscles that we're gonna need for the next
Speaker 8: twenty five years. Like this is not going away. We
Speaker 8: don't want it to go away. And so I just
Speaker 8: can't stand when we settle when things have gone so well, like, no,
Speaker 8: this is how we got this is us every year,
Speaker 8: So nothing, nothing, but so I just I want to
Speaker 8: make sure that people kind of hold on.
Speaker 2: That one of the best to ever do with Steve
Speaker 2: Young is our guest. On a Monday, Stevie referenced the
Speaker 2: improved play of Jake and I want to dig into
Speaker 2: it because I love talking to quarterbacks about other quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: And last year zero to four as a starter and
Speaker 2: just way too many mistakes, and unfortunately that interception down
Speaker 2: the stretch against ASU was costly. But he's been so
Speaker 2: much better than he was a year ago, and I
Speaker 2: think so much better than most.
Speaker 1: People thought he could be.
Speaker 2: Probably people even down there, what do you attribute most
Speaker 2: his overall improvement to and how good can he be
Speaker 2: moving forward next season?
Speaker 8: One of his best qualities is I called him a swashbuckler.
Speaker 8: You know, it's like the I'm not sure what that
Speaker 8: actually means, but in the image of my mind is
Speaker 8: somebody who gets back and it's going to at the
Speaker 8: ball's coming out, and it's going to be aggressive and
Speaker 8: and so I like that about him. But the problem
Speaker 8: is it was unreally and wild and reckless. And so
Speaker 8: the only way to take what is a good quality
Speaker 8: and hone it so that it becomes something profitable is
Speaker 8: to own the data you have to Your brain has
Speaker 8: to be able to have reflexive recall of coverage and
Speaker 8: and and have instinct instinctive sense of when safeties are rotated,
Speaker 8: where does that mean? I'm where's when weaknesses? Where are
Speaker 8: people going to be? That's the one thing about defensive football,
Speaker 8: as sooner or later they'll tell you what's happening. But
Speaker 8: if you've got to pay attention the you have to
Speaker 8: be able to own the data to get there. You
Speaker 8: have to be able to come out of the huddle
Speaker 8: not be thinking about the play, not be thinking about
Speaker 8: motion that should be instinctive, not thinking about blitz, not
Speaker 8: thinking about you know, you know, tendency. It's like I
Speaker 8: got all that, it's in my mind. It's reflective. Now
Speaker 8: I can really just hone in on safeties, follow them,
Speaker 8: and that'll tell me the truth of what this defense
Speaker 8: is doing. And then I'm not throwing it into people's chest.
Speaker 8: I have I'm ahead of it. So even when there's little,
Speaker 8: you know, little nuanced things that happen where receivers adjust
Speaker 8: or whether I have to move in the pocket, your
Speaker 8: brain is now processing something that you can actually it's
Speaker 8: not wild. It's like set and that's where every quarterback's
Speaker 8: trying to get. And so that's why Meyer Jake's work
Speaker 8: to really start to hone that in is He's there
Speaker 8: all the way obviously not, but I want to tell
Speaker 8: him that I know how hard that was, and he
Speaker 8: has gotten significantly better, and I hope this week that
Speaker 8: he is. I know you got to school, and no,
Speaker 8: you don't have to go to school this week, do you.
Speaker 8: So he should be studying eight hours a day to
Speaker 8: try to make sure that he has that reflective recall,
Speaker 8: so that against Houston everything, I'm ahead of the data.
Speaker 8: There's nothing that happens that shocks me. I still might
Speaker 8: make a choice to take a risk. I still might
Speaker 8: make you know, someone might knock the ball out of
Speaker 8: my hand. I still might try to I might make
Speaker 8: an athletic move that costs me where you know, I
Speaker 8: fumble or the ball slips out of my hand. There's
Speaker 8: things that physically can happen, but my mind will always
Speaker 8: be ahead of every play. And if that's the case,
Speaker 8: you're going to play great football.
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you a question about Killotti.
Speaker 2: When Klotti was up here as the decordinator, we did
Speaker 2: a coach the show every week, and I you know,
Speaker 2: he became, you know, a real fan, not just of
Speaker 2: him as a football coach, but of him as a person.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how you can not be a fan
Speaker 2: of Kilani. And there was this really cool video going
Speaker 2: around social media Steve of Kilani in twenty seventeen after
Speaker 2: the East Carolina loss, which was their seventh straight, showing
Speaker 2: up to do his coaches show on BYU TV and
Speaker 2: then seeing all of his family, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: fill in and the players and their families fill in
Speaker 2: to kind of fill the area to show their support
Speaker 2: because there was a lot of heat around him, and
Speaker 2: Kilane started crying when he saw the support. And so
Speaker 2: I've always pulled for him because I want him to
Speaker 2: stay employed and do well and all of our Utah guys,
Speaker 2: you know, a rod, et cetera. What sort of questions
Speaker 2: do you think Kilani has answered as far as the
Speaker 2: way he's been able to figure out this new reality
Speaker 2: of college football with a really solid season no matter
Speaker 2: how it ends.
Speaker 8: Kilanie's a great He's an inspiration. You want to play
Speaker 8: for him, you want to win for He'll stand there,
Speaker 8: He'll take it, you know, he's accountable. He he he,
Speaker 8: he's willing to risk it for you, like he makes
Speaker 8: you feel like like you know, he's got my back
Speaker 8: and and no matter what happens. And and I love
Speaker 8: that about him. And he's you know, he's trying to
Speaker 8: kind of channel de Vell Edwards in his in his
Speaker 8: heart and he talks about it a lot. And I
Speaker 8: see that. I see the ability to see other people
Speaker 8: in their potential and kind of inspire them to be better.
Speaker 8: That that's his best quality now. And I think defense,
Speaker 8: he has instincts for defense. And I think when he
Speaker 8: jumps in and really helps there, it matters. And with Jay,
Speaker 8: I think that he's got somebody there that is, you know,
Speaker 8: top line recruiter. That's number I mean, it's not normal one,
Speaker 8: but j Hill is a number one recruiter. Like he's
Speaker 8: very good. And we're getting We're not are requires a
Speaker 8: long answer, but back to Colonney, but we we sometimes
Speaker 8: we can be petty at times, we can be a
Speaker 8: little institutionally lazy a little bit where we you know,
Speaker 8: if you don't want to be here, maybe this isn't
Speaker 8: the right place for you. We got to, you know,
Speaker 8: and I think we're changing we're getting so that we'll
Speaker 8: we'll compete against anything if it will. If we lose
Speaker 8: to Georgia, if we lose to Utah, we lose the
Speaker 8: USC that's okay. We're we're going to be in the mix,
Speaker 8: and we're gonna get in the mix more and more.
Speaker 8: And so j Hill I think is the help that
Speaker 8: Chronic can get on defense. And then a Rod I
Speaker 8: think he's got people around him that can go do
Speaker 8: those things that to alleviate the stress so that he
Speaker 8: doesn't have to do too much. And uh, and I
Speaker 8: think on the offensive side, we've got to be better recruiters.
Speaker 8: We've got to be able to attract, you know, we have,
Speaker 8: you know, four or five great quarterbacks and then pick
Speaker 8: and we've got to, uh, you know, do the do
Speaker 8: the outreach. We've got to do the day to day.
Speaker 8: We've got to do the blocking and tackling. We've got
Speaker 8: to do the the all the stuff that's gonna help
Speaker 8: Kilane be able to put the team on the field.
Speaker 8: Because everybody in the country, I mean, Lewis Ritick is
Speaker 8: a good friend of mine. He does ESPN college games.
Speaker 8: I did Monday Night Cayle count Down with him for
Speaker 8: a couple of years. I love Lewis. Lewis is a smart,
Speaker 8: dynamic human being, and when he came out to b YU,
Speaker 8: he had thought about what BYU is going to be
Speaker 8: and he left like inspired, and so much it was
Speaker 8: about Kilanie and about Tom's athletic program and the and
Speaker 8: the sense of inclusion that they've built and the way
Speaker 8: that Klannie coaches, the way he teaches, and the way
Speaker 8: that he's authentic day to day, and so all of
Speaker 8: that is so vital about diversity and all the other issues.
Speaker 8: Lewis Ritick left, He's like, man, be what you and
Speaker 8: Colanie like, I'm in And I think that that's the
Speaker 8: way the country's starting to understand. And that's why he's
Speaker 8: so important to us. We need Colannie, We need him
Speaker 8: to be all of who he is and uh and
Speaker 8: then also look for the help for the things that
Speaker 8: he you know, that that that you know he can't
Speaker 8: do everything, and so I think he's finding that balance.
Speaker 8: And so I love what you said about twenty seventeen.
Speaker 8: I'll rally. I mean, if Connie's in trouble, I'm going
Speaker 8: to show up. I'll be there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: I want to rally around Koloney and that's the kind
Speaker 8: of guy he is, and so like you can, my
Speaker 8: sense of it is is that we're in the Big twelve.
Speaker 8: Let's act it, let's be it, let's be all about it.
Speaker 8: And this is not a this should not be a surprise,
Speaker 8: and Clonie's not surprised. Let's go do it every year.
Speaker 2: Steve, before I said you lose, I would be remiss
Speaker 2: if I didn't take this opportunity to ask you about
Speaker 2: your I don't think i've ever heard you speak on this,
Speaker 2: your opinion on what college football has become and what
Speaker 2: do you think it will eventually become when the dust
Speaker 2: actually finally settles and there's no more chaotic alignment. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously nil transfer portal.
Speaker 1: I am for these players getting paid.
Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately, they have always been the product and
Speaker 2: a business was built on their backs and they didn't
Speaker 2: get a piece of it. So I'm fine with it.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people aren't necessarily down now. It
Speaker 2: hasn't affected ratings, it hasn't affected attendance. But what's the
Speaker 2: Steve Young take on the average angel landscape of college
Speaker 2: football and what do you think comes next?
Speaker 8: Well, look, equity value in sports is just growing exponentially.
Speaker 8: It's nuts. The NFL equity values in that's the value
Speaker 8: of the of the of the team, like if they
Speaker 8: had if they have stock. Is like, this is the
Speaker 8: value of the team for the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 8: Let's say in two thousand, it was three hundred million dollars,
Speaker 8: four hundred million dollars. In twenty twenty four, it might
Speaker 8: be twelve billion dollars. Like, it's insane. And so college
Speaker 8: football has equity value, and that's what everyone's trying to grab, right,
Speaker 8: everyone's trying and the players college kids were trying to
Speaker 8: speak to the NCAA for years. Look, it's this money
Speaker 8: is just growing exponentially, and we're the ones on the field,
Speaker 8: and we're the ones that are like have injuries and
Speaker 8: don't but we're not graduating, we're not we're not insurance,
Speaker 8: and we're like, this is crazy. And so the NCAA
Speaker 8: basically just closed their ears forever and it got burned
Speaker 8: because then it went to the judiciary and and just
Speaker 8: juditsuary said, look, these guys, it's not fair. And so
Speaker 8: now it became the Wild West. Now this year, as
Speaker 8: you know, Spence coming in twenty five is the twenty
Speaker 8: million dollars. It's like there's money that's gonna come now
Speaker 8: from the school. It's going to be a portion of
Speaker 8: the proceeds. It's gonna be revenue sharing, which is smart,
Speaker 8: Like it starts to stabilize what is insane right now
Speaker 8: and the NIL and the wild West, and then the
Speaker 8: schools are you know some schools are they're in charge
Speaker 8: of the NIL when they're not supposed to, and it's
Speaker 8: like the whole thing is is such a mess. So
Speaker 8: that will bring some stability, and unfortunately that stability will
Speaker 8: bring stability to the conference shifts that have happened. Like
Speaker 8: there's something like Stanford's going I mean they go play
Speaker 8: you know, Duke and North Carolina State like it's they
Speaker 8: go to Rutgers like it's crazy, Like UCLA going to
Speaker 8: Penn State. Like it doesn't long term, it can't. It's
Speaker 8: not sustainable. But for a little while, that revenue sharing
Speaker 8: from colleges and from a kind of sharing the equity
Speaker 8: value to the players in a form of payments is
Speaker 8: going to stabilize things for a little while, but it's
Speaker 8: not it's not over time sustainable. You've got to figure
Speaker 8: that whatever the Pac twelve was will come back at
Speaker 8: some point. It just makes too much geographic sense. You've
Speaker 8: got to figure that somehow. But the Big twelve and
Speaker 8: the Big ten other than the West Coast teams are set,
Speaker 8: I think for some time. That sec set for some time.
Speaker 8: And look, there's a good friend of mine's kid who
Speaker 8: was highly recruited and he's getting paid a quarter million
Speaker 8: dollars a year as a you know, as a kid
Speaker 8: in college. And so that's the reality now. So that's
Speaker 8: those are that brings with it all kinds of complications
Speaker 8: and and and and challenges at a younger age. Well,
Speaker 8: it was always a challenge for pro players at twenty
Speaker 8: two twenty three being the first ones in your in
Speaker 8: your family history to have any kind of wealth. What
Speaker 8: does that mean for the family in general? For you?
Speaker 8: How do you deal with it?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 8: You're asking eighteen year olds, sixteen year olds as they pay,
Speaker 8: try to pay kids that are still in high school
Speaker 8: and go around like signing deals and you know, card deals,
Speaker 8: and you know, so you got a kid who's a sophomore,
Speaker 8: who's a highly recruited kid, and now he's you know,
Speaker 8: he's collecting one hundred thousand dollars a year on hundred
Speaker 8: fifty thousand dollars as a fifteen year old, and the
Speaker 8: pressure that puts on him the family. These are all
Speaker 8: complications that are not going away, and we have no
Speaker 8: answer for it right now.
Speaker 2: Well, Steve, thanks so much for the time and now
Speaker 2: busy you are and it was a pleasure seeing you
Speaker 2: last week. I really appreciate the invite, so have a
Speaker 2: great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: All the blessings and love to you and your family,
Speaker 2: and you're welcome to come on the show any time.
Speaker 1: Steve, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 8: Spets you know. It's like you don't have me a reoffense,
Speaker 8: so I got to let it all out once. I
Speaker 8: apologize for that. You can tell it's a therapy session
Speaker 8: for me because my wife doesn't care, my kids don't care.
Speaker 8: I only have one place to tell it. So I
Speaker 8: got to tell you everything I feel. Now you have it,
Speaker 8: and good luck to you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: My friend there he is the great Steve Young, one
Speaker 2: of the best to ever do it, both in college
Speaker 2: and pro football. You can find more information about his
Speaker 2: charity at Forever Young dot org. That's who we were
Speaker 2: kind of supporting last week at his charity golf tournament
Speaker 2: in Scottsdale. We got Richard Smith and doctor Chrisill live
Speaker 2: in studio coming up during the four o'clock hour of
Speaker 2: the program tonight, so that'll be fun. Special Thanks to
Speaker 2: Steve Young for hopping on the show today. Special thanks
Speaker 2: to our next guest as we go from one goat
Speaker 2: to the next goat for being a little bit adjustable
Speaker 2: today and versatile today. Tom habershow for some NBA basketball
Speaker 2: on a Monday, Tom, Happy Monday, man.
Speaker 1: How are we doing doing great?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. So we'll do a little jazz here.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna do We're not gonna do a ton
Speaker 2: of jazz because I think we all kind of know
Speaker 2: what time it is, we all kind of know what
Speaker 2: the deal is. But I'll say this, over the past
Speaker 2: seven or eight games, at least offensively, they don't guard anybody,
Speaker 2: they just don't.
Speaker 1: But offensively they've been a lot better.
Speaker 2: And I thought that went over the Knicks on Saturday
Speaker 2: here in Salt Lake was probably the best game I've
Speaker 2: seen him play all year long. But what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on and if you have anything specific about the
Speaker 2: past seven or eight games, Why is the offense look
Speaker 2: so much better?
Speaker 13: To think, Well, first of all, marketing helps.
Speaker 10: That guy is really good, and.
Speaker 13: Of course really good against the Knicks too. But I
Speaker 13: think another thing that you have to really pay attention
Speaker 13: to is the shot selection is very modern NBA. We've
Speaker 13: got a head coach and Will Hardy, who is as
Speaker 13: astute as it is when it comes to what is
Speaker 13: the best way to win in today's NBA. And what
Speaker 13: I mean by that is the Utah Jazz are the
Speaker 13: leaders in one category offensively that probably is a little
Speaker 13: under the radar, but I just wrote about this at
Speaker 13: Yahoo Sports. There are these things that I'll coin as
Speaker 13: shot desert games. These are games in which teams do
Speaker 13: not make a single shot in the mid range. They
Speaker 13: don't take a single shot, make a single shot, they
Speaker 13: don't score in the mid range. They just abandon it.
Speaker 13: And while it is for us who grew up in
Speaker 13: the nineties, it is kind of sad to see how.
Speaker 10: The mid range game is dead, but it is the.
Speaker 13: Smart way to play, just in the same way that
Speaker 13: in baseball the smart way to play is to try
Speaker 13: to hit it over the fence and get walks, and
Speaker 13: it might not be appealing from a product standpoint, it
Speaker 13: is what the math tells us to do, and what
Speaker 13: the math tells NBA teams to do is what the
Speaker 13: Boston Celtics did last season is bomb away from three
Speaker 13: and attack the rim and go for rim attacks.
Speaker 8: And the Jazz lead the.
Speaker 13: League in most games in which they don't score from
Speaker 13: the mid range. And normally might say that's a bad thing.
Speaker 13: Well know, the mid range game is kind of a
Speaker 13: dead zone. You don't get fouled, it's a low percentage shot,
Speaker 13: and there's only a few players that it makes sense
Speaker 13: to be living in the mid range, whether it's Chris
Speaker 13: Paul or jamar Derozen Jazz continually do this, and even
Speaker 13: you know, in Saturday's game against the Knicks, they scored
Speaker 13: one hundred and twenty one points and only one basket
Speaker 13: was in the mid range. And they have more shot
Speaker 13: desert games than any other team. It's four to this
Speaker 13: point in the season, and this number is exploding league wide.
Speaker 13: You know, we didn't even have a single team a
Speaker 13: decade ago with any of these games, and now we're
Speaker 13: on pace for about one hundred and fifty desert games
Speaker 13: where they don't score from the mid range for the
Speaker 13: entire game, and so we're almost double what we're you know,
Speaker 13: we're pacing at almost double the rate at what we
Speaker 13: normally see over the last couple of years. And there's
Speaker 13: a real inflection point we're seeing in the NBA where
Speaker 13: team smart offenses, even if they're not being able to
Speaker 13: make all the shots from downtown. You know, it's it's
Speaker 13: not every night that you see the Jazz shoot. You know,
Speaker 13: what was it seventeen nineteen to thirty four, fifty six
Speaker 13: percent from downtown.
Speaker 10: But this is kind of by.
Speaker 13: Design, is that they have made the team buy into this,
Speaker 13: you know, threes and rim shots, you know, attacking the
Speaker 13: basket and not worrying so much about the mid range,
Speaker 13: try to get to the free throw line, try to
Speaker 13: take threes, and so far, I think that shot profile
Speaker 13: is really helping them slim the talent gap. And you
Speaker 13: saw it on Saturday night, just how how good they
Speaker 13: look when the three ball is falling. But it's not
Speaker 13: a matter of being lucky. This is a team that
Speaker 13: is designed that way and the offense is designed that way,
Speaker 13: and I think it's really smart, even if it's a
Speaker 13: little sad for us watching and growing up watching Michael Jordan.
Speaker 13: This is the way to win in today's NBA, and
Speaker 13: they're doing an excellent job of it.
Speaker 1: So do you think the league will look?
Speaker 2: Because I read your piece and that's kind of why
Speaker 2: I asked you the question to lead you into that
Speaker 2: answer so you could explain it to our listeners, because
Speaker 2: you unpacked it better than I could. But the fact
Speaker 2: of the matter is, you know, you and I will
Speaker 2: watch NBA basketball, but a lot of people aren't. The
Speaker 2: ratings are suffering. I don't know if it's the product.
Speaker 2: I continue to believe until stars show up every single night,
Speaker 2: you know, unless we got to say it, unless they're hurt,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: But you can't argue with the numbers.
Speaker 2: And yes, they can throw their P and L statement
Speaker 2: at me and say where's the problem?
Speaker 1: I say, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2: But do you think the decline in NBA ratings is
Speaker 2: as because nobody wants to just watch a team, you know,
Speaker 2: shoot sixty plus threes. Nobody wants to, you know, watch
Speaker 2: a three point shooting shooting contest unless it's during All
Speaker 2: Star weekend, And as numbers tell us, people don't really
Speaker 2: like to watch that either. Does the league have a
Speaker 2: problem with this style of play that you outline in
Speaker 2: your piece.
Speaker 1: Do you think they look to do something about it.
Speaker 13: I think they're always looking to do something about it.
Speaker 13: I mean, this is this is the same league office.
Speaker 8: That introduced the in season.
Speaker 13: Tournament, the play in Tournament, as well as the elam
Speaker 13: Ending and the All Star, the NBA Draft for the
Speaker 13: All Star. They're trying to figure out ways to augment
Speaker 13: or gimmick or gamify the season. And I don't think
Speaker 13: that they're you know, the shot selection is off the
Speaker 13: table in terms of how do we adjustice to make
Speaker 13: it more appealing for the audiences. And I think, you know,
Speaker 13: Nick Right, the kind of the reason why I did
Speaker 13: that story was Nick Right went on his podcast. You know,
Speaker 13: it wasn't on Fox Sports one, but it was on
Speaker 13: his podcast that it went viral where he was like,
Speaker 13: the India has as a as an entertainment problem is
Speaker 13: that it's not as entertaining as it used to be
Speaker 13: and a lot of that is because of all the threes.
Speaker 13: And he suggested the idea of making dunks worth three points.
Speaker 8: That was one of his proposals.
Speaker 13: And I think it gets at something that I think
Speaker 13: we do need to consider is should we make the
Speaker 13: mid range alive again and make more shot diversity where
Speaker 13: it doesn't feel like it's just threes and rim attacks
Speaker 13: every every time down the floor. My suggestion is this
Speaker 13: two three four system where you shorten the three point
Speaker 13: line to about fifteen feet to bring back the mid range,
Speaker 13: and then you extend the current three point line to
Speaker 13: a four point line at about thirty five or forty feet.
Speaker 13: You make it far enough that it's a real challenge
Speaker 13: for NBA players to hit it, so it's not just
Speaker 13: gonna be a bunch of dudes pulling up from half
Speaker 13: court every time. But you also want players to want
Speaker 13: to go to the rim, to want to shoot from
Speaker 13: twenty feet and want to shoot from forty feet, if
Speaker 13: it makes sense, And so I think that proposal is
Speaker 13: one of my favorites that I've heard. There's also, and
Speaker 13: I talk about this in the piece, the idea of
Speaker 13: do we get rid of the corner three so that
Speaker 13: you don't have two guys standing in the corners and
Speaker 13: then getting a short, shorter shot because the NBA dimensions
Speaker 13: make it such that the corner three is about a
Speaker 13: foot shorter than a normal three, and so there's an
Speaker 13: advantage there.
Speaker 10: Get rid of that advantage and you won't see as.
Speaker 13: Many three There's another idea that I've heard is capping
Speaker 13: the number of three pointers that you make or take
Speaker 13: sorry to about twenty per quarter, So basically you have
Speaker 13: like or sorry, twenty per game, so you have basically
Speaker 13: twenty three pointers to play around with, and then after
Speaker 13: that any three pointers worth two points. All those ideas
Speaker 13: are getting to the same trying to solve the same problem,
Speaker 13: which is it feels like the NBA is all about
Speaker 13: threes and all about rim attacks and some of the
Speaker 13: creativity and ingenuity and spontaneity of the NBA that might
Speaker 13: have been around in the eighties and nineties that might
Speaker 13: be overstated. How you know, the x's and o's were amazing,
Speaker 13: and the game was amazing because of this, a lot
Speaker 13: of those games were just they were.
Speaker 8: It was wrestling, it was.
Speaker 13: A different sport. It was not the same thing as
Speaker 13: what we're seeing today, and in a bad way. So
Speaker 13: I'm not saying that everything was perfect in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 8: It wasn't.
Speaker 13: But the idea of there's too many threes and it
Speaker 13: might be repelling some people from watching the sport. I
Speaker 13: understand that viewpoint, but I don't think that making dunks
Speaker 13: worth three points is the answer. I think it'll make
Speaker 13: more injuries because of you know, it's a violent sport already,
Speaker 13: but making it a dunk worth three points would only
Speaker 13: increase the mid air collisions and you'll see chet Homegrins
Speaker 13: of the world land horribly and be out because of
Speaker 13: a broken hip. I think that would be more commonplace
Speaker 13: in a league with a three point dunk. But I
Speaker 13: do think bringing back some shot diversity and bringing back
Speaker 13: the mid range in a way that makes sense, I
Speaker 13: think could go a long way to bringing back some
Speaker 13: viewers who feel like this game is just make or
Speaker 13: miss from downtown and that's going to dictate everything is
Speaker 13: whether my team made threes, And certainly the Utah Jazz
Speaker 13: on Saturday night we're evidence of that is how good
Speaker 13: they look when those threes are dropping. But some other
Speaker 13: nights it's pretty hard to watch.
Speaker 2: What do you most attribute the lack of solid ratings to,
Speaker 2: tom Maybe it's just this, Maybe it's just this, And
Speaker 2: look historically speaking, and it's been a number of years
Speaker 2: since pro basketball was even within a ear shot of
Speaker 2: Pro football. On this time of year, most everybody that
Speaker 2: are sports fans are you know, they're watching football, college
Speaker 2: and pro. Sunday Night football is the highest rated television
Speaker 2: show in our country, not sporting event television show. So
Speaker 2: we will see the numbers improve come you know, February January,
Speaker 2: February when bowl seasons behind us, the Super Bowls behind us.
Speaker 2: But it's undeniable that these NBA ratings like the first
Speaker 2: couple of weeks like whatever. But now we've got to
Speaker 2: sample size. We're approaching Thanksgiving where some of the time
Speaker 2: slots are down as much as like thirty forty percent.
Speaker 2: This is not five or six percent. Why do you
Speaker 2: think people are watching pro basketball right now?
Speaker 8: Well, I think large majority of that slide is due
Speaker 8: to the absence of stars.
Speaker 13: And you hit on it in the beginning, and I'll
Speaker 13: just give you this stat. Games missed by Stars is
Speaker 13: of fifty two percent compared to last year.
Speaker 8: Fifty two percent.
Speaker 13: Through fifteen games of the season, we've had one hundred
Speaker 13: and fifty two injuries. And last year at this point
Speaker 13: there was one hundred games lost due to injury. So
Speaker 13: last year we had one hundred games lost due to
Speaker 13: injury for Stars, and now we're looking at one hundred
Speaker 13: and fifty two over that same time period. So what
Speaker 13: we're seeing is, you know, a nice return of stars.
Speaker 13: De Jon se Murray, Kevin Durant, Bradley Beale, Chrisafsperzingis. These
Speaker 13: guys are coming back, but a lot of players are not.
Speaker 13: That Luka Doncic is out for a week. You have
Speaker 13: Joel Embiid, who knows what's happening with that guy. Kawhi
Speaker 13: Leonard is still out for the season. Chris Middleton we
Speaker 13: have no real, real timetable for his return. And we're
Speaker 13: seeing star players miss at extreme rates compared to recent history.
Speaker 13: And I think there's this there's this happy medium between
Speaker 13: being smart and being good business smart, right, Like they're
Speaker 13: smart in the medical sense of like, hey, we're holding
Speaker 13: out these players because we don't want to hurt them
Speaker 13: for the long run, or we're having preventative treatments so
Speaker 13: that you know, this knee sprain doesn't turn into a
Speaker 13: torny acl I get that, but also there has to
Speaker 13: be a happy meeting between that and what we're seeing
Speaker 13: now where injuries or games lost due to injury or
Speaker 13: absences are up fifty two percent, and.
Speaker 10: So you know, it's not good for business.
Speaker 13: To have a Thursday night game without any stars or
Speaker 13: have you know the Clippers playing the Sixers in the
Speaker 13: opening week of the season and only Paul George is playing.
Speaker 13: You got no Joelle Embiid, no Tyrese Maxi, no Paul George,
Speaker 13: no Kawhi Leonard. And that's not good for the sport,
Speaker 13: not just for that night, but also the message it
Speaker 13: sends to potential viewers is, oh, I'm going to watch
Speaker 13: this Sixers Clippers game. Wait a minute, those guys aren't playing,
Speaker 13: ah man, Like this is just another game where the
Speaker 13: NBA stars aren't playing. That can kind of really poison
Speaker 13: the well. And I'm hoping that this avalanche of injuries
Speaker 13: is really coming to an end here because we are
Speaker 13: seeing some players come back this week, which is really
Speaker 13: good for the NBA Cup. The NBA Cup is coming up,
Speaker 13: and I really hope that we have a full, you know,
Speaker 13: roster of star players because this is a star league
Speaker 13: and when you know injuries or games lost, dude, injury
Speaker 13: to star players is up fifty two percent. That's about
Speaker 13: as much of an explainer as anything.
Speaker 1: Well said, good stuff.
Speaker 2: Let me go back to the Jazz for a moment
Speaker 2: and uh just kind of kick the tires with you
Speaker 2: on some potential storylines and topics, you know, this year,
Speaker 2: and they took a big step back with their developmental
Speaker 2: program after Taylor broke his leg. Poor kid, because he
Speaker 2: came back in great shape and he's looking pretty good.
Speaker 2: Marketing cannot be traded. Maybe all I need to say
Speaker 2: to real NBA fans about who the jazz are is
Speaker 2: John Collins might have been. They might be their best player,
Speaker 2: So maybe that's all you need to know. But you know,
Speaker 2: certainly Danny Ain's justin Zannik open for business at all times.
Speaker 2: Do you think any of these Vets are going to
Speaker 2: be on the move, because there is part when I
Speaker 2: like watching the Nick game, I'm thinking, all right, Marketing's back,
Speaker 2: you know, here we go again.
Speaker 1: Are they going to start winning a little?
Speaker 2: Because Larry's that good and when they're hitting shots like
Speaker 2: they were, they have the ability to win some games,
Speaker 2: which I very much do not want them to do.
Speaker 2: I've been on that page for two years, as you know, Tom,
Speaker 2: So I'm bring on the losing like when they started
Speaker 2: losing big, you know, like where it seemed to be
Speaker 2: pretty obvious that they were leaning into this development, they
Speaker 2: started losing, and I felt better about their direction that
Speaker 2: I have in two years. But you think we're gonna
Speaker 2: see Danny and Justin maybe break this down to like
Speaker 2: if they start winning tom if they go on some run,
Speaker 2: whether they win like twelve of fourteen, which I do
Speaker 2: not believe that they will do, but if they do that,
Speaker 2: will they start breaking this down prior to the February
Speaker 2: deadline this time?
Speaker 13: It's just the perverse incentive structure of the NBA, right,
Speaker 13: is that we're rooting. If you're a Jazz fan, you're conflicted.
Speaker 13: You're rooting for them to lose because that might give
Speaker 13: them the best chance at a star in that market.
Speaker 13: It might be the best route, the best path to
Speaker 13: getting a foundational star. But it's also you look at
Speaker 13: the Detroit Pistons, you look at for so long, the
Speaker 13: Sacramento Kings, the Minnesota Timberwolves when they got Andrew Wiggins,
Speaker 13: and then only saw you all of that mediocrity to
Speaker 13: continue under Andrew Wiggins and Karl Anthony Towns, and it's like,
Speaker 13: we got two number one overall picks and we're still
Speaker 13: not anywhere. Until they moved Andrew Wiggins, and then they
Speaker 13: got Rudy Gobert and of course Anthony Edwards another number
Speaker 13: one overall pick. It's not it's more art than science
Speaker 13: how to build a championship team. But the problem is
Speaker 13: that the incentives are right there, is you have more
Speaker 13: ping pong balls if you are not good, and so
Speaker 13: I think that will be The telling factor is how
Speaker 13: much they got to be in the bottom five. But
Speaker 13: it doesn't have to be necessarily the worst team. But
Speaker 13: I think if they're going to be record wise, you know,
Speaker 13: on that five to six bottom of five six teams,
Speaker 13: I think that'll be enough to you know, give them
Speaker 13: a solid shot at a star in the draft. But
Speaker 13: you know, the question is you look at a team
Speaker 13: like the Houston Rockets where they're now as have won
Speaker 13: as many teams, And I wrote about this for a
Speaker 13: Tom Deefiner dot com I substack. They're twelve and six
Speaker 13: right now, and they've built through the draft.
Speaker 1: You look at.
Speaker 13: Albern Shanghun, Jalen Green, Amen Thompson, Reed, Shepherds glued to
Speaker 13: the bench because there's just so many good young players
Speaker 13: on that team. Tari Easton's been fantastic for them. They
Speaker 13: made one signing right there with Fred Van Vliet, and
Speaker 13: he's kind of set the tone for the locker room,
Speaker 13: and that is a model for the Utah Jazz is
Speaker 13: like building. It's going to take a few but building
Speaker 13: through the draft and seeing where it gets them.
Speaker 8: But you have to hit.
Speaker 13: And the Houston Rockets the Oklahoma City Thunder, they've built
Speaker 13: through the draft in a way that is a nice
Speaker 13: model for Houston, but you have to make sure you
Speaker 13: nail those picks. And so for the Jazz it's like, yeah,
Speaker 13: we can build through the draft, but if we don't
Speaker 13: get Cooper Flag in the draft, will this be all
Speaker 13: for not?
Speaker 10: And unfortunately the NBA, for.
Speaker 13: A small market team, the odds are not great to
Speaker 13: begin with, and the odds that might be best if
Speaker 13: you build through the draft like okay see and Houston
Speaker 13: has and hope. You can nail those picks and you
Speaker 13: can get an Alpha and Shane Gun. You can get
Speaker 13: a check Holmegrin or a Jalen Williams. But the history
Speaker 13: of the NBA shows you know, you need a superstar
Speaker 13: and probably two or three of them in order to
Speaker 13: win a championship. And for Utah, it's just gonna be
Speaker 13: really hard to bring one in without having enough bites
Speaker 13: at the apple at the top.
Speaker 2: Before I set you loose, because I know you got
Speaker 2: to go, and if you need to go quick, just
Speaker 2: be quick, quick with the answer.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I've never considered anybody to be able to win a
Speaker 2: quote triple crown in pro basketball because I simply thought
Speaker 2: it was entirely impossible. And Nikola Jokic is second in
Speaker 2: rebounding right now, he's second in assists. Uh no, excuse me.
Speaker 2: He leads a league in rebounding, he's second in scoring,
Speaker 2: and he's second in assists, and he's shooting like forty three.
Speaker 1: Percent from three.
Speaker 2: Maybe we're numb to it, but he strikes me as
Speaker 2: like this virtue also, who's mastered the cello and wants
Speaker 2: to retire and go do something else. What do you
Speaker 2: make of what we could potentially see with Jokicic this year?
Speaker 13: I hate to correct you, but I'm only doing it
Speaker 13: because I love you and because it's even funnier. The
Speaker 13: stat is, Jokic isn't.
Speaker 10: Shooting forty three percent from downtown.
Speaker 13: He's shooting fifty six.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I must have had the wrong stat
Speaker 2: That's insane Gez.
Speaker 13: Fifty six percent spends from downtown, and it's you know,
Speaker 13: do you have to qualify it. I'm not so sure
Speaker 13: heies right now, just because of the games played from
Speaker 13: the three point standpoint, but fifty six percent from downtown
Speaker 13: first and rebounding not quite like you said, not quite
Speaker 13: assists and points right now, but he's right in the
Speaker 13: mix of it. I never thought i'd see anything like that,
Speaker 13: But then again, I thought i'd never see Lebron James
Speaker 13: score forty thousand points, and I thought i'd never see
Speaker 13: someone break off for Robertson's triple double record, and then
Speaker 13: basically Russell Blspers did three times. So I can't put
Speaker 13: a pass Jokich.
Speaker 1: He's a virtuo.
Speaker 13: So he is the best player in the NBA, and
Speaker 13: I don't think it's particularly.
Speaker 1: Close this season.
Speaker 13: I don't know if you'll have the volume or he'll
Speaker 13: continue to shoot that well from downtown.
Speaker 10: But it's all things are possible with that guy.
Speaker 8: He is a savant.
Speaker 13: He is the chosen one in terms of like basketball skill,
Speaker 13: and he's got incredible hands. He's second in the NBA
Speaker 13: in deflections. We're not even talking about those steals and
Speaker 13: block numbers for Yokich, but he's second in the NBA
Speaker 13: in deflections per game behind Dyson Daniels, which no one
Speaker 13: realizes is that he's just got these ridiculous myths that
Speaker 13: not just has the touch but also just the hand
Speaker 13: eye coordinations ridiculous. And so Jokich is incredible. He's my pick,
Speaker 13: easy pick for MVP at this point. And it's certainly
Speaker 13: within the realm of possibility that he could have that
Speaker 13: triple crown so to speak, and points, rebounds and assists,
Speaker 13: but also that three point percentages insane, fifty six percent, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Heading back to the motherland Tommy tomorrow.
Speaker 2: So I'll pay my respects to the great I'm sure
Speaker 2: Tom Haberstrow statue that's outside of Staples High School at
Speaker 2: some point. So have a great Thanksgiving, my friend, Thank
Speaker 2: you for the time.
Speaker 10: Okay, you too, And I'll just say this.
Speaker 13: Charlotte, where I live, they just announced Dave Matthews band
Speaker 13: is going to headline a festival here, so I'm already
Speaker 13: trying to get in line for tickets.
Speaker 1: Stop it, I'm gonna fly out. We'll go to a
Speaker 1: Dave show together. Let's do it.
Speaker 8: Dude in there.
Speaker 2: It is Tom Haberstrow, the Great Tom Haberstrow, one of
Speaker 2: my favorite NBA guests all of his work. He's very busy.
Speaker 2: He's about to go record a podcast. He does like
Speaker 2: five a week. Tomdefiner dot Com is a substack. He
Speaker 2: writes a column for Yahoo Sports, and he's on the
Speaker 2: Blazers broadcast team. My man has like seven jobs at
Speaker 2: Tom Haberstrow is where you find him all right before
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Speaker 2: This song actually works in a lot of different ways,
Speaker 2: one which will remain off air. But excited on this
Speaker 2: Monday during Thanksgiving weeks to have Richard Smith live in studio, Smitty,
Speaker 2: you brought us a special guest.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you introduce him. The floor is yours.
Speaker 3: Oh no, well no, this isn't.
Speaker 12: This is first of all, I'm I'm I'm merely here
Speaker 12: as the pawn in this in this whole whole charade
Speaker 12: that you've got going on.
Speaker 1: You know you think it's a charade.
Speaker 12: Well, well, if you have me, I know, I know,
Speaker 12: I know that you're down at the bottom of the battle.
Speaker 12: So I got to try and lift it up. Okay,
Speaker 12: you know, lift up. As you fill the water jug,
Speaker 12: the cream rises to the top. So you get you
Speaker 12: get doctor Chris Hill in the studio so he can
Speaker 12: bring something that makes sense to the show.
Speaker 3: You know other than my my blabbering all the time.
Speaker 1: So, doctor Hill, how are you, sir? Happy Monday? It's smitty.
Speaker 1: You know, there's an old expression.
Speaker 14: You can bs the baker and get a bun, and
Speaker 14: you bs me you get none.
Speaker 3: All right, that's happened for a long time.
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. I'm doing fine.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be fun. Just three Northeast guys. We'll
Speaker 2: try to stay on track here. But I have a
Speaker 2: lot that I want to get to. First of all,
Speaker 2: we're kindred spirits. You enjoy Thanksgiving like I do?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 14: Oh, I sure do. Yeah, it's my family. My staff
Speaker 14: is laughing right now. Notes from now Oh my old staff,
Speaker 14: you know her best stay of here. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 14: drove them all crazy.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so do I so do I All right, Doctor Hill,
Speaker 2: it's been a minute since you and I have been
Speaker 2: able to catch up, and I just can't.
Speaker 1: I'm shaking my head as.
Speaker 2: I outline the fact that we're sitting here with seven
Speaker 2: straight Utah fop l's first time since nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 2: and they're a nine point five point dog on Friday,
Speaker 2: which are to be a historic losing streak for Utah football.
Speaker 2: I get a lot of things wrong. I don't know
Speaker 2: that I've ever been this wrong about something, as far
Speaker 2: as how wrong I've been about this team.
Speaker 1: How do you unpack this? Well, you're not the only
Speaker 1: one wrong for so you're not the lone ranger.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Yeah, we're all on the bandwagon, you know. Now it's
Speaker 14: a fifty seven Chevy the bandwagon.
Speaker 1: You don't know whenyons on.
Speaker 14: But it took me so much by surprise, and still
Speaker 14: is taking me by surprise. Yeah, I'm just like wow
Speaker 14: each game and they're just I don't know what they
Speaker 14: would do. I forgot what those days are like. I mean,
Speaker 14: I still have that ears around. But boy, in the
Speaker 14: late eighties and nineties, before you and Smitty were born,
Speaker 14: it was brutal. It was brutal, and so you know
Speaker 14: you'd lose when you get up Sunday morning. That makes
Speaker 14: for a long week. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wonder Smitty how you've because obviously you were part
Speaker 2: of a lot of very successful jazz front offices, but
Speaker 2: there were down years when you were rebuilding and losing
Speaker 2: seeps in. I wonder how you compartment is. We've talked
Speaker 2: about Utah football. They're lofty expectations and what it's like
Speaker 2: for a locker room when the losing piles the way
Speaker 2: it has for Utah football.
Speaker 12: Well, you know, it's interesting the different spence is. And
Speaker 12: guys would tell me this, who played professional basketball overseas
Speaker 12: in some of the domestic leagues where sometimes they only
Speaker 12: play once a week on the weekends, and they'd say,
Speaker 12: you know, well, you know you play in the in Greece.
Speaker 12: If you only play on a team that plays in
Speaker 12: the in the in the domestic league, you're playing once
Speaker 12: a week. You're playing on Saturday or Sunday. And if
Speaker 12: you lose, then you got to deal all week long
Speaker 12: with all the talking about and everything. You can't get
Speaker 12: back up on the horse till the next week.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 12: In the NBA, you know, sometimes like the Jazz this
Speaker 12: week of going into a schedules starting tomorrow where they
Speaker 12: play four games and six days.
Speaker 3: So whether you win or lose, you gotta go boom boom.
Speaker 12: We got to get onto the next thing, right And
Speaker 12: you know, but in the football, like you know, with
Speaker 12: what the what the U football team is going through
Speaker 12: right now, you know, seven losses in a row, that's
Speaker 12: seven weeks, that's almost two months. That you've had to
Speaker 12: listen to why can't you guys win a game? Why
Speaker 12: couldn't you win the game you just played? What's the
Speaker 12: matter with you? And it just I'll tell you what,
Speaker 12: I can only assume you know with those guys that,
Speaker 12: especially when you're used to a winning culture and you're
Speaker 12: used to sustained success like Kyle Winningham has had up
Speaker 12: there for all these years, that you go through something
Speaker 12: like this and it's not just the losses themselves in
Speaker 12: the league and the expectations and all that, but it
Speaker 12: just wears you out emotionally and mentally having to hear
Speaker 12: about it all the time, all the time. And I
Speaker 12: can imagine what those guys are going through, especially now
Speaker 12: in the situation they're in. They don't have a bowl
Speaker 12: game to play for, so they have one game left
Speaker 12: on Friday, which you try and make it into your.
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving Bowl game.
Speaker 12: Let's go guys, Kumbaya and all that stuff. But you know,
Speaker 12: it's hard to get that that reaction from those guys,
Speaker 12: even though they know that on Saturday they come home
Speaker 12: from from Orlando and the season's over.
Speaker 3: It's all done.
Speaker 2: Doctor Hill, you're the man who hired coach with and
Speaker 2: I honestly, and I say it all the time. I
Speaker 2: have a good relationship with Kyle. He's good enough to
Speaker 2: come on the show a few times throughout the year,
Speaker 2: even though they practice in the afternoons. But I don't
Speaker 2: have a pulse on how this has affected him. I
Speaker 2: try to. I watch his pressers. He looks tired. When
Speaker 2: I had him on the show a couple of months ago,
Speaker 2: we had a few minutes before recording and I said,
Speaker 2: how you doing? He said, this is as hard as
Speaker 2: it's been in a long time. His media last week,
Speaker 2: Doctor Hill struck me as a guy that said, no,
Speaker 2: not like this right. But I have no how do
Speaker 2: you think this has affected a guy that you know
Speaker 2: probably better than It's interesting.
Speaker 14: I went to work out at UH where Schmitty and
Speaker 14: I do yoga UH peace with ourselves on night. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 14: I'm a rainbow amongst the clouds.
Speaker 3: So you know.
Speaker 14: One of the things is I hadn't been in the
Speaker 14: foot A Center from all a bit of three years.
Speaker 14: So I'm working out at Steiner and it was last Tuesday,
Speaker 14: and I thought, you know, sometimes it is eighty I
Speaker 14: just go by and see if Kyle's in his office,
Speaker 14: and just shoot the crap for a while. So the secretary, Oh,
Speaker 14: we'll find him, We'll find him. He want to talk
Speaker 14: to you because I think, you know, somebody's not going
Speaker 14: to say what's going on. So I walked in. I said,
Speaker 14: are you're breathing? Because I think so? I think so.
Speaker 14: I said, okay, let's just talk about our grandkids. All right,
Speaker 14: let's do that there and then the only thing by
Speaker 14: football is the whole quarterback thing. Let's be honest. You know,
Speaker 14: you don't be the guy that touches the ball, isn't
Speaker 14: you know your guy? It's like not having a picture,
Speaker 14: you know. So obviously he was really down. I thought
Speaker 14: he lost some weight, but you know, you can see
Speaker 14: the strains there and it's like he's a deer in headlights.
Speaker 14: He's you know, this just is weird, you know. And
Speaker 14: I can't imagine, you know, being the idea, you know,
Speaker 14: I people will get, you know, upset. And this is
Speaker 14: Kerns McCarthy. He owned the true Bune and all those families.
Speaker 14: And I used to go to Saint Ambrose and we
Speaker 14: lost to Bhyu and this is like nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 14: I'll never forget it. And he's passing the plate along
Speaker 14: to collect money. I'd rather lose to the Russians than
Speaker 14: by you. And I'm sittner going it just came to church,
Speaker 14: you know that the Lord had give me a break,
Speaker 14: and you know, and people around me are going, what
Speaker 14: the heck?
Speaker 1: So tomorrow?
Speaker 14: Story is, Kyle's really really got to be worn out.
Speaker 14: I just looked on his face, and I think he was.
Speaker 14: He didn't want to rush out of room because we
Speaker 14: weren't talking about football, sure, and I never talked to
Speaker 14: football at him, you know. I always talked about houses,
Speaker 14: you know, how's you managing the team, stuff like that.
Speaker 14: But you know, he looked like he was really really tired.
Speaker 2: Tell me this follow up here, because I truly don't
Speaker 2: know whether or not Kyle's decision to end his time
Speaker 2: as head coach is soon, and I don't know that
Speaker 2: this year matters as far as the context of what
Speaker 2: would be a really big choice for him. But what
Speaker 2: does your gut tell you as far as what you
Speaker 2: know about him? Do you think a season like this
Speaker 2: motivates Kyle to say not like this? Or do you
Speaker 2: think he's done enough where it's like one year doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I had twenty really good years at Utah. I don't
Speaker 2: know everybody that's over sixty. And I faced that too.
Speaker 14: Now I'm over seventy, and you know, you get I
Speaker 14: told him, you know, he's what about you? And I said, well,
Speaker 14: I didn't get down a yellow no pad and put
Speaker 14: one thing on the other. And I said, you know,
Speaker 14: nobody can tell you what to do, and you can
Speaker 14: try to we win this year, we lose next year, okay,
Speaker 14: the odsom we win in and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 14: We all know it's a crap shoot. And I said,
Speaker 14: this is pretty simple. But you this is just why
Speaker 14: I sending you buy your home because it just has
Speaker 14: great street field. The biggest investment in your life, the
Speaker 14: biggest decision you make is to marry your wife. Because
Speaker 14: it felt good and you loved it. You didn't get
Speaker 14: a yellow no pad. See if she went to the
Speaker 14: Dennis check or teeth and you get your bicycle from
Speaker 14: consumer Report. So I said, you know what, It got
Speaker 14: down to the point for me, it was a gut feeling.
Speaker 14: It wasn't like should I stay in out of the years,
Speaker 14: should I do that? And I wasn't making six million
Speaker 14: dollars a year. I was doing right though, but still
Speaker 14: it's the point where I don't know if you can
Speaker 14: base it on just one thing like that or what
Speaker 14: you're gonna win you're gonna lose. It's so precarious, So
Speaker 14: my advice would sounds simple, but it's your biggest decision
Speaker 14: outside of who you're gonna marry, you know, in the
Speaker 14: career like that, having children and all the family stuff.
Speaker 14: I don't know how you can base it on one
Speaker 14: little win or loss. It's for me, it was all
Speaker 14: about how did I feel, what did I want to do?
Speaker 2: Interesting Smitthia, I can't eloquently tie Kyle to Jerry as
Speaker 2: far as the way Jerry's career ended, because that's a
Speaker 2: different outlier.
Speaker 1: That's a different thing.
Speaker 2: It was a moment in time with a player now
Speaker 2: who has admitted that he was a prima donna and
Speaker 2: a selfish ass in.
Speaker 1: His words, not mine.
Speaker 2: But I do remember Jerry oftentimes when it came to losing,
Speaker 2: internalizing it in a way that probably wasn't very healthy
Speaker 2: because coaches are wired like that. And I think what
Speaker 2: doctor Hill is describing with Kyle has kind of reminded
Speaker 2: me a little bit of every time Jerry would lose
Speaker 2: in fear that he's never going to win another NBA game.
Speaker 2: Coaches are wired differently, aren't they.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and and and you know, I I also think
Speaker 12: that with with the perspective of time and experience, that
Speaker 12: some of those things start to get into a little more.
Speaker 12: You know, your your edges are worn down a little bit.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 12: With with coach Sloan, you know, towards the end, you know,
Speaker 12: he just didn't want to deal with a lot of
Speaker 12: the so called heavy lifting that was involved in trying
Speaker 12: to keep the ship afloat and keep it going in
Speaker 12: the right direction.
Speaker 2: Even with a pretty decent Yeah, you know.
Speaker 12: We had we had a good team, but uh, you know,
Speaker 12: but but you know with with with uh, you know
Speaker 12: what with Chris is saying about about Kyle. He's been
Speaker 12: there so long, has had such success and has had
Speaker 12: a formula and knows what he needs to get done
Speaker 12: to keep that that that train on the track and
Speaker 12: going the right direct. Now in the last several years
Speaker 12: with the NIL stuff and the transfer portal stuff, and
Speaker 12: now you have the new you know, Big League with
Speaker 12: the Big twelve or all those kinds of changes, you
Speaker 12: just you know, and then you have a season like
Speaker 12: this where the expectations were out of whack in my opinion,
Speaker 12: you know, back in June and July, where everybody's talking
Speaker 12: about undefeated and getting the CFP and getting to the
Speaker 12: National semifinals and blah blah blah and whatever, and and
Speaker 12: all that stuff goes awry very quickly, and those things
Speaker 12: when you're at this stage of your career, whatever that is.
Speaker 12: For someone who's had that experience like he has had
Speaker 12: to to have to absorb that and have to deal
Speaker 12: with all of that stuff, I'm not sure it would
Speaker 12: be as Chris is saying, you know, a one year
Speaker 12: decision like hying, don't going through this again or whatever.
Speaker 12: I think for me, I would think it would be
Speaker 12: more about do I want to keep trying to do
Speaker 12: this the way that we're we're having to do it now,
Speaker 12: with the way that differently than I did it ten
Speaker 12: years ago, you know, a different approach, a different mindset.
Speaker 12: Do I do I want to do that? Do I
Speaker 12: want to reinvent myself in that regard at this point
Speaker 12: of my career? And you know, and getting slapped in
Speaker 12: the head like you do with a year like this
Speaker 12: doesn't help that process. But but you have to sit
Speaker 12: just just like Chris is saying, you have to sit
Speaker 12: in a dark room, you know, with the lights out,
Speaker 12: by yourself and just go you know, do I Now
Speaker 12: I heard his press conference today where he said, oh,
Speaker 12: I got plenty of gas in the tank. You know,
Speaker 12: I have no problem with that. So I think it's
Speaker 12: just going to be, you know, something like that. I don't,
Speaker 12: but I'll say this, man, I don't like, as an
Speaker 12: outside observer, a guy sitting up in row row twenty five,
Speaker 12: you know, just watching the games and being a fan
Speaker 12: of the game. I don't like the vibe that the
Speaker 12: public in general is giving that, Oh, because he's had
Speaker 12: a bad year, you know, he's got to decide to
Speaker 12: retire and all that kind of stuff because he's lost
Speaker 12: it or he's lost the locker.
Speaker 3: Room or whatever.
Speaker 12: To me, my opinion, that is so much blogoney that
Speaker 12: it shouldn't even be, you know, be talked about. You know,
Speaker 12: they've had a bad year. Injuries, things haven't gone their way.
Speaker 12: All the breaks they needed they didn't get. That's just
Speaker 12: what happened the last couple of months. And you know,
Speaker 12: you have to take it for what that is. And
Speaker 12: put it in the greater perspective to try and assess
Speaker 12: what you want to do going forward.
Speaker 2: So a lot of good stuff there, and it's Doctor Hill.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting balance, right because Smithy alluded to this,
Speaker 2: and I believe it to be true that Kyle has
Speaker 2: earned the right to go.
Speaker 1: Out on his terms.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's how I feel, and I believe that that
Speaker 2: is the equity that he has built up in this
Speaker 2: market over two decades. But at what point from an
Speaker 2: administrator's perspective, do you start to get concerned, Like, if
Speaker 2: we're sitting here, the three of us, let's make it
Speaker 2: an annual things Thanksgiving week, you guys are welcome here
Speaker 2: for an hour. If we're sitting here next year Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: Week and they're three and seven and Kyle's back, at
Speaker 2: what point, because again, Coach Way to allude to this earlier,
Speaker 2: it's hard to go out at the right time, It's
Speaker 2: almost impossible. But yes, I believe he has earned the
Speaker 2: right to call his shot. But from an administrator's perspective,
Speaker 2: when do you start asking questions.
Speaker 14: When you feel like it, You know, you get to
Speaker 14: the point where I always tell everybody that you evaluate
Speaker 14: people get real.
Speaker 1: You know I got a PhD.
Speaker 14: But I don't use all that stuff sometimes because some
Speaker 14: things are really simple. Like I just talked about it.
Speaker 14: So an employee comes into your office and says they're
Speaker 14: going to resign. Are you dancing on the tabletops or
Speaker 14: are you distraught? If you're dancing on the tabletops, you
Speaker 14: kind of got to go with what your answer is.
Speaker 14: That's not happening, Kyle. You know that's not happening. And
Speaker 14: so it's just really one of those things where it's
Speaker 14: up to him. You know, the world of sports is
Speaker 14: cruel and could change anybody. I was paranout all the
Speaker 14: time and you'd do something wrong and think, oh God.
Speaker 14: But like coaches, Jerry Sloan was the king of he
Speaker 14: can't leok behind you. You're a fighter pilot. You just
Speaker 14: keep got to going. There's no behind you. And you
Speaker 14: know they're AD's are wired different, but not not quite
Speaker 14: as different as coaches and ads have different ads have
Speaker 14: a couple of sports. So if we were good in basketball,
Speaker 14: bat and football, I could, you know, at least have
Speaker 14: some sense of sanity. But you take guys like Jerry Sloan,
Speaker 14: who are the I mean, I'm a Jerry Sloan Fan
Speaker 14: and Kyle same and they're just tough, smart guys, you know,
Speaker 14: and it's killing them, you know, I mean, you know,
Speaker 14: you know how tough both those two guys are.
Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't want to mess with them.
Speaker 14: And you can imagine they go home and you know,
Speaker 14: I used to say, you know, coach goes to sleep
Speaker 14: at four in the morning, the ad goes to sleep
Speaker 14: at one point thirty in the retired guy goes to
Speaker 14: sleep at.
Speaker 1: Eleven after the game. The way it is, and it's
Speaker 1: really hard.
Speaker 14: So you know, I just don't want to do any
Speaker 14: kind of hypothetical what's going to happen because he's earned
Speaker 14: too much respect.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, all right before we catch a break,
Speaker 2: doctor Hill, And if you do not want to talk
Speaker 2: about this, it is well within your right to see
Speaker 2: into that microphone buzz off. I have nothing to say. However,
Speaker 2: when a few friends of mine who listened to the
Speaker 2: program heard me tease that you were going to be
Speaker 2: on the show today, they both sent me the same message,
Speaker 2: and essentially it said, Penny first thoughts about what Mark
Speaker 2: Harland decided to do after the Utah BYU game, and
Speaker 2: just you know, for contexts. I was down on the sideline,
Speaker 2: so I saw Mark kind of go at the officials
Speaker 2: when the game was still going on, which struck me
Speaker 2: as odd. My experience with Mark is that he's been
Speaker 2: more or less a measured guy that's nice to me.
Speaker 2: I don't know him well personally. But I'm walking home
Speaker 2: across campus from the stadium after the game and suddenly
Speaker 2: my phone is blown up, like I thought somebody had
Speaker 2: got an accident, Like, what's going on? So I pulled
Speaker 2: my cell phone out and it was all the same.
Speaker 2: Did you hear what Mark Carlan just said? Did you
Speaker 2: hear what Mark Carlan just said? Somebody sends me the
Speaker 2: link on social I watch it and I went, oh, no,
Speaker 2: I thought he was in a lot of trouble. Rhet
Speaker 2: your Mark Northeast sleeping with the fish as Big twelve
Speaker 2: commissioner Penny for his thoughts when he woke up and
Speaker 2: saw his cell phone by the way, Yeah, so public
Speaker 2: reprimand forty K fine, And I thought Mark. I was
Speaker 2: relieved for him. I thought he was going to be
Speaker 2: in more trouble. So God asked the question her thoughts
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, I was bounding to termine when when
Speaker 14: I left, and still am that any kind of administrative
Speaker 14: things that happened, I'm not going to blink my eyes
Speaker 14: one with the other.
Speaker 7: Fair.
Speaker 14: The last thing I do is I don't want to
Speaker 14: be seen as that old guy that's criticizing what goes
Speaker 14: on or not I can complain about throwing a pass
Speaker 14: the wrong way or something. No, I think for me
Speaker 14: and I appreciate, let me not go into that because
Speaker 14: what I say it's not going to be worthwhile anything.
Speaker 1: And I don't know Mark very well anyway. I haven't
Speaker 1: spent much time with him at all.
Speaker 2: So and what you can comment on is as the
Speaker 2: a d after a hard fought Utah b U Yu
Speaker 2: football game, if you feel like you're on the wrong
Speaker 2: side of certain things, that's that's a different type of
Speaker 2: intense emotion, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 7: It is?
Speaker 14: And you know and and there are times when I
Speaker 14: was in the hallway after game years ago, I don't
Speaker 14: I don't forget it is with Kyle had they he
Speaker 14: didn't call a time out and the referee did and
Speaker 14: costs us essentially the game. And I'm in the tunnel
Speaker 14: and pretty upset and talking to the conference office. But
Speaker 14: in my job. I you know, maybe it started with Rick,
Speaker 14: but I was you know, I didn't want to be
Speaker 14: near the bench ever or during the sideline. But this
Speaker 14: game was over, I'd zoomed to the locker room. Started
Speaker 14: with Rick because I want to get okay, Rick, don't go,
Speaker 14: don't go. So you know it's almost like that was
Speaker 14: you know, I was, I was moving my feet and
Speaker 14: trying to pick up a charge, you know, and I
Speaker 14: kind of got in that habit with everybody. This is
Speaker 14: Abele would help me too, especially football, so I was
Speaker 14: always at them. I was upset at times whatever, But
Speaker 14: when I got down to the locker room, I kind
Speaker 14: of felt my job was say Liz, what do I
Speaker 14: need to do? And on to coach freaking out? Was
Speaker 14: you know, that's kind of my thing. So yeah, that
Speaker 14: was the way I looked at it. But there were
Speaker 14: times I was obviously upset. Everybody is, and you know,
Speaker 14: you just got to just ride to what your own
Speaker 14: personality is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we'll catch a quick break. Richard Smith, doctor
Speaker 2: Christill Live in studio. Got one more big segment coming
Speaker 2: up next. We'll launch it at the five o'clock hour
Speaker 2: after that. Don't forget the Craig Smith Coaches shows tonight
Speaker 2: at six, and then after that it's Monday Night football
Speaker 2: the Harball Bowl with the Ravens and the Chargers. So
Speaker 2: keep it here on the ESPN seven hundred. All right,
Speaker 2: we've got doctor Priscill, former ad up on the Hill,
Speaker 2: no pun intended there, live in studio. Richard Smith forty
Speaker 2: years with the Jazz Front Office, live in studio as well,
Speaker 2: a lot of intellectual brain power and great experience in
Speaker 2: this in this little radio studio. So I appreciate your
Speaker 2: time here. Okay, No, what what?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 1: Forty years in the league? Doctor? How long were you
Speaker 1: an administrator in college? Forget? No, thirty one years is
Speaker 1: the ad?
Speaker 2: So a combined seventy one years of life experience in sports, Smitty,
Speaker 2: that's not nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to pay you a compliment. Experience doesn't
Speaker 1: mean intellect. That doesn't mean I was smart for thirty
Speaker 1: one years. Oh you did a pretty good job, doctor.
Speaker 12: Was that the famous John Wooden line, don't mistake activity
Speaker 12: for achievement.
Speaker 1: Fair enough? But one more question about coach Witt.
Speaker 2: One more question about Utah football, then we'll move on
Speaker 2: to some other things. Smitty, referenced coach Sloan deciding, and
Speaker 2: I believe the phrase that Smitty used was he didn't
Speaker 2: want to do the heavy lifting anymore.
Speaker 8: So.
Speaker 2: On the college side of things, we've seen Nick Saban,
Speaker 2: Tony Bennett, and others powerhouse coaches. Saban, potentially the best
Speaker 2: of all time, walk away from the job that he loves,
Speaker 2: and now that he's in media, we know he walked
Speaker 2: away because he doesn't want anything to do with what
Speaker 2: the sport has become. Do you think there's any part
Speaker 2: of Kyle that looks at what the sport has become
Speaker 2: and doesn't want to deal with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, you know, random one day he says, we
Speaker 14: can't couldn't give you a hamburger something, you know, eight
Speaker 14: years ago and seriously couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: A bagel or a bagel with cream. Sees like that
Speaker 1: was how silly it was.
Speaker 14: You know, it's interesting because the guys, at least I
Speaker 14: think it's interesting the guys that have in that age bracket,
Speaker 14: they kind of grew up as coaches because they wanted
Speaker 14: to coach, and all of a sudden they started making money,
Speaker 14: you know, But they got into coaching because they wanted
Speaker 14: to tell the defensive attack. You got to do this,
Speaker 14: You got to move here, Scott. You know, I Ohays
Speaker 14: used to say, there's two kinds of coaches. When you
Speaker 14: go to some kind of convention. There's the guys in
Speaker 14: the corner talking about they're out of bounce plays or
Speaker 14: they're splits and they're getting in the napkin in there
Speaker 14: se the other guys over there because they used to Cheasevana.
Speaker 14: He was the first one talking about their contracts with
Speaker 14: TV guid and who they're sponsoring, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of those guys.
Speaker 14: I think Saban probably was one of those guys as
Speaker 14: much as he's big now and all this money and everything,
Speaker 14: you know, and it's hard for that. It would be
Speaker 14: hard for me, it'd be hard for anybody that you
Speaker 14: couldn't really coach them up. And you know you're you're
Speaker 14: not in control. Oh coach, I'm sorry, I'm leaving because
Speaker 14: I'm making this much more money there. You know, love
Speaker 14: you care about you.
Speaker 1: You know you've gone.
Speaker 14: And I understand the whole deal. I understand why they
Speaker 14: need to have the portal and all this, but I
Speaker 14: just hope that they get contracts for kids where if
Speaker 14: they leave. At least somebody's got to pay somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 14: you know there's something. You know, they're pros. They got
Speaker 14: a model. You know what are we shine away from?
Speaker 14: You know I used to call I call it now
Speaker 14: uh work study.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 14: They were just like somebody working in cafeteria. Y. They
Speaker 14: work their employees.
Speaker 1: It's okay.
Speaker 14: And they get paid for what they do if they
Speaker 14: do something valuable to get paid. Now that's hard because
Speaker 14: the fourth string tackle isn't really Scholarship is forty thousand
Speaker 14: dollars pretty good for an eighteen year old kid that's
Speaker 14: not playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know so anyway, I didn't mean.
Speaker 12: No, no, you just you hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 12: What's happening is that they in college athletics. Now from
Speaker 12: my perspective, is that the genie is out of the bottle,
Speaker 12: and but and nobody knows where it's gonna go, uh
Speaker 12: next week. It's it keeps changing, it keeps evolving, it
Speaker 12: keeps getting more out of hand, more less and less
Speaker 12: able to grab it and to try and figure out
Speaker 12: what to what to do with it is the way
Speaker 12: I see it. I mean, whether it's Nick saban in
Speaker 12: in uh in football, whether it's Jay Wright at Villanova
Speaker 12: in NCAA basketball, h to the most accomplished coaches u
Speaker 12: you know, in their respective sports, who both had a
Speaker 12: lot still in front of them, and they they both
Speaker 12: you know, apparently just said forget. I can't I can't
Speaker 12: do it, you know, and and uh and hey, Randy
Speaker 12: Ray did that up the road at Weber State, great
Speaker 12: great success up there, sixteen years, winning, always in the
Speaker 12: hunt for a conference championship. And at the end and
Speaker 12: near the end of February and you know, and that
Speaker 12: and that thing came to him and he had a
Speaker 12: couple of his players as his last year, came and said, hey,
Speaker 12: an agent has contacted us and wants us to leave
Speaker 12: this week and and uh and all this kind of
Speaker 12: stuff to go overseas and whatever.
Speaker 3: And they know they end up staying.
Speaker 12: But you know, he was saying, well, if that's if
Speaker 12: that's what it's going on, now, like I can't deal
Speaker 12: with that, you know. And Plus now, like he said
Speaker 12: to me, if I happen to get another Damian Lillard
Speaker 12: at Weaver State, right, I got him one year and
Speaker 12: then he's he's he's going to u.
Speaker 9: C l A.
Speaker 1: He's going to Kansas him for a year.
Speaker 3: No, No, that's that's that's true.
Speaker 12: Also, you know the way it is now, So yeah,
Speaker 12: it's it's just a whole different thing. And and and
Speaker 12: and Chris is exactly right. The guys who who were
Speaker 12: into it because they love the coaching and the ex's
Speaker 12: and o's and the napkins and on the on the
Speaker 12: coffee table and all that kind of stuff. And and
Speaker 12: now it's a whole different world. And and and why
Speaker 12: guys are getting into it, from what I've seen in
Speaker 12: recent years, is a different rationale for getting into it.
Speaker 12: And it's it's not the same. And it's that roads diverged,
Speaker 12: you know. And as Jogi Bearra said, you know when
Speaker 12: I come to a fork in the road, I take it.
Speaker 12: You know, you know which which way you which way
Speaker 12: you're taking it.
Speaker 14: That's it from his book. All I got the book.
Speaker 14: All the things he said, all the things I said,
Speaker 14: I never said.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 14: Every one of those stories, every one of those things
Speaker 14: has a little explanation. You know, that place is so crowded,
Speaker 14: everybody goes there anywhere. That's he used They used to
Speaker 14: have to work in the off season. He was a
Speaker 14: mader d yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, it got so crowded,
Speaker 14: a place came so popular, his guys didn't come. Yeah,
Speaker 14: so got so crowded nobody came anymore. And that was
Speaker 14: his explanation. But anyway, yeah, I love it. I do think,
Speaker 14: you know, we can't be whining about it being different
Speaker 14: and all this and that, but it is different. So
Speaker 14: your skills and what you grew up with and how
Speaker 14: you handle this maybe not the job for you anymore.
Speaker 1: Different.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and I think that and and and Kyle said
Speaker 12: that today. I think in the press he said some
Speaker 12: version of of Hey, the way it's changed now in
Speaker 12: recent years, you either adapt or or you are you
Speaker 12: you choose option by that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, My problem is is that is that some coach,
Speaker 14: you know, Kyle gets a player, develops them. You know,
Speaker 14: that's our That was what made Kyle's program win in
Speaker 14: those great years. And but now you you know, it's
Speaker 14: it's like you know in basketball, Rick used to take
Speaker 14: the guy out, you know.
Speaker 3: If he didn't hustle.
Speaker 1: Now that Kayle calls his uncle says.
Speaker 14: Hey, I'm supposed to play, It's like who's the guy
Speaker 14: practice he's talking about and the kids going ant he
Speaker 14: he I didn't get back on defense, and you know, Joey,
Speaker 14: I think, you know Texas is gonna take me. So
Speaker 14: it's kind of like, how do you coach him up?
Speaker 14: And in basketball, one of my big concerns is that
Speaker 14: college basketball is dropping. And you'll see Kansas game crowded,
Speaker 14: in this game crowded, but you know the utes aren't
Speaker 14: getting people. But it's not uncommon around the country. I mean,
Speaker 14: b Yu and Utah State do well. But you kind
Speaker 14: of fall in love with kids if you're a fan.
Speaker 14: You know, I've heard there from more people. You know,
Speaker 14: I bought my tickets and I'm watching grow up as
Speaker 14: a sophomore and junior.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to go back and see him.
Speaker 14: And in basketball it's different because you can see him
Speaker 14: and then reality should go and look and see where
Speaker 14: their family is. See kind of grow up thinking, oh,
Speaker 14: this is my team, these are my guys. Uh, I
Speaker 14: didn't know who's on a team this year. It's a
Speaker 14: little bit like fans. I don't want to be too corny,
Speaker 14: but they kind of fall in love with guys like adrenaline.
Speaker 1: I mean, hell for sure, so you can't wait for them.
Speaker 14: He lost some weight stronger this year he can shoot
Speaker 14: better from the outside, beat beat beep.
Speaker 1: All those things.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's to say, it's a you develop a relationship
Speaker 12: from your perspective.
Speaker 3: You think you know who they are and and something.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 12: It's just like running into you know, Tom Hanks at
Speaker 12: the airport, and you know, you run up to hey Tom,
Speaker 12: you think he's gonna say, hey, hey, Chris.
Speaker 3: How you doing?
Speaker 12: You know whatever you know and and uh and and
Speaker 12: but it's always that that that feeling that you have
Speaker 12: with them.
Speaker 3: Now, you know.
Speaker 12: Jerry Seinfeld was doing a little bit a while ago
Speaker 12: about growing up a Mets fan and all the guys
Speaker 12: he used to root for all their career and stuff,
Speaker 12: and now he says, they change, players change all the time.
Speaker 12: I don't even know who's who's playing anymore. But now
Speaker 12: I figure all I'm doing now is really basically rooting
Speaker 12: for laundry, because I'm just rooting for whoever's wearing the
Speaker 12: Mets shirt, whatever that is. You know, I'm rooting for
Speaker 12: that guy. I don't know who he is, but he's
Speaker 12: got my shirt on, so he must be one of
Speaker 12: my guys.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, now the great Seinfeld bit, let me ask
Speaker 2: you one more Utah football question, because I need to
Speaker 2: ask you point blank your opinion on exactly how we
Speaker 2: find ourselves here. And the hard thing about this topically,
Speaker 2: doctor who is? I do feel like you can be
Speaker 2: as reductive as saying if Cameron was healthy, everything would
Speaker 2: be different. I honestly feel that way. But we're talking
Speaker 2: seven straight l's and potentially eight, so on a scale
Speaker 2: of reductive, Cam got hurt to holy smokes, how did
Speaker 2: we get here?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 14: I think losing becomes a habit too, you know, and
Speaker 14: you lose your confidence and you know, our defense, you know,
Speaker 14: I mean, God bless them, they're doing great, but at
Speaker 14: kind of the end of the game they're kind of
Speaker 14: have no confidence and the team goes down the scores.
Speaker 14: I mean, they kicked butt for you know, a whole time,
Speaker 14: and all of a sudden something happened. So it's snowballs.
Speaker 14: It's not like we're getting beat by forty and you
Speaker 14: just call it a day. But I you know, the
Speaker 14: quarterback has obviously it's a quarterback game on offense. So
Speaker 14: could they have better people back up? It's pretty hard
Speaker 14: to quarterbacks. Are It's notty no spoiled kids? And do
Speaker 14: they really want to sit on the bench and wait
Speaker 14: their turn. So it's worse than it's ever been, you know,
Speaker 14: So I do think it's part that. I think it's
Speaker 14: part the fact that your mojo gets down a little bit,
Speaker 14: you know, and all of a sudden it just snowballs.
Speaker 14: And you know, I don't want to get back to
Speaker 14: the other thing we're just talking about, but you know,
Speaker 14: or nine guys on a team that played against BYU
Speaker 14: at one time, nine guys wild, yeah, So I mean
Speaker 14: it's not like they're passionate about the utes because they
Speaker 14: also got Uncle Joe talking about another school. So when
Speaker 14: it starts to go south, especially in football where you're
Speaker 14: hitting each other day, you know, it's no fun. And
Speaker 14: we all know basketballs it doesn't matter, but I mean
Speaker 14: football it's a hard thing when it's cold out and
Speaker 14: you're hitting each other and you're starting to lose. So
Speaker 14: I think it's a snowball effect. And you can't outdo
Speaker 14: the fact that when you have a good quarterback, life changes.
Speaker 2: Just out of pure curiosity, because honestly don't know. I
Speaker 2: just remember after the Rose Bowls, the back to back
Speaker 2: Rose Bowls, Fox thirteen did a really good piece on
Speaker 2: what that meant for the athletic department, what it meant
Speaker 2: for the University of Utah, how much free advertising, how
Speaker 2: much free exposure it allowed for the institution. And therefore
Speaker 2: out of state and roollees were up as well. During
Speaker 2: a year where you don't make a bowl game, what
Speaker 2: sort of administrative consequences, if any, are there since they're
Speaker 2: not going bowling this year?
Speaker 1: Well, the bulls you don't make money on.
Speaker 14: But you got to believe that people are saying, well,
Speaker 14: I really want a big one tickets. You know, am
Speaker 14: I going to donate as much this year? You know,
Speaker 14: people start to get soft, so you worry. You worry
Speaker 14: for financially, and you'll worry about the image with you know,
Speaker 14: to recruit new kids. And you know, losing is you know,
Speaker 14: it's brutal. You know, there's no way about nowhere around it.
Speaker 14: And winning is off the chart the other way, you know.
Speaker 14: So I mean they're they're they're not selling T shirts.
Speaker 14: I'll tell you that right now. So every little thing
Speaker 14: along the way hurts you financially. And you know we've
Speaker 14: talked about Greg a lot Marsden and you know he's
Speaker 14: a dear friend and whatever, but he said whenever we
Speaker 14: won in football, we go to national championship games and
Speaker 14: they think we were one fantastic athletic department. If we weren't,
Speaker 14: they say, now you guys in Logan or something, Yeah,
Speaker 14: provo and wrestle at that stuff.
Speaker 1: It's even bigger now.
Speaker 14: So you know, it's it's why that football coaches get
Speaker 14: paid a lot. Man, It changes the whole deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most states, they're the highest paid public employees. In
Speaker 2: my home state, Connecticut, it's the basketball coach because Ucon's
Speaker 2: a basketball school.
Speaker 1: But Smitty, let me go to you on this. So
Speaker 1: we're nearing the end.
Speaker 2: Of football season, so Friday is the final game for
Speaker 2: the youths, and after that's kind of behind us. We'll
Speaker 2: lean a little bit more into our Utah men's basketball
Speaker 2: coverage for our listeners out there that aren't acutely aware
Speaker 2: of how ridiculous the Big Twelve is in men's basketball.
Speaker 2: Put a little context on what Craig and his group
Speaker 2: are up against coming up this year as a new
Speaker 2: member of the Big Twelve.
Speaker 12: Well, the Big Twelve in recent years has been considered
Speaker 12: by most so called experts or those who are weigh
Speaker 12: in anyway, as the toughest college men's college basketball conference
Speaker 12: in the country, tougher than the ACC, tougher than the
Speaker 12: Big Ten, tougher than the SEC, and the Utes are
Speaker 12: going to have a hard time because in part I think,
Speaker 12: I think, first of all, I don't know what kind
Speaker 12: of favors they're doing themselves with the preseason schedule that
Speaker 12: they have this year. They play one team from my
Speaker 12: from my point of view, one team of any note
Speaker 12: before the conference and that's when they play Saint Mary's
Speaker 12: in a few weeks. Otherwise they're playing all these schools
Speaker 12: or the Sisters of the Poor and whatever to and
Speaker 12: and I and and I get it. I know what
Speaker 12: the what the endgame is that they're trying to go
Speaker 12: into the conference season, you know, with a ten and
Speaker 12: one record or an eleven and two record or whatever
Speaker 12: it's gonna be, so that they look good when they
Speaker 12: get into the conference. But but when you get to
Speaker 12: the conference, you're talking about you know, Kansas, You're talking
Speaker 12: about Iowa State, You're talking about Houston, You're talking about Baylor,
Speaker 12: you're talking about Arizona. You're talking about an up and
Speaker 12: coming BYU team that has a couple of really good
Speaker 12: NBA prospects on the team. You're talking about Texas Tech,
Speaker 12: you're talking about a solid Colorado team, you're talking about
Speaker 12: West Virginia CONTI. Yeah, you know, you're going down. You're
Speaker 12: going down the list, and it's it's a long list,
Speaker 12: and and it's it's gonna be interesting to see.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 12: You don't play everybody in the conference right the way
Speaker 12: it wasn't It isn't football. You play a certain number
Speaker 12: of teams and and a certain number of home home
Speaker 12: games and and and road games, and so you don't
Speaker 12: play everybody. So sometimes you can escape, you know, and
Speaker 12: avoid playing a few big boys along the way. But
Speaker 12: but it's gonna be a very interesting season. It's gonna
Speaker 12: be fun to see some of those teams that do
Speaker 12: come in that come into the Huntsman Center this year
Speaker 12: to play, whether it's Kansas or whether it's Baylor. You know,
Speaker 12: some of these you know, really by U is going
Speaker 12: to be a big game because they're very good and
Speaker 12: there these are gonna be tough games, and I imagine
Speaker 12: the fans would show up. But but Chris, I think, unfortunately,
Speaker 12: I think at this moment in time for Craig Smith,
Speaker 12: who's trying to build his program in his fourth year.
Speaker 12: You know fans are going to be showing up to
Speaker 12: these conference games this year, uh to see the other team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you're right on the mark.
Speaker 7: You know that.
Speaker 12: I come in to see the youth unfortunately, because I've
Speaker 12: been to some of the YOUTE games already, and as
Speaker 12: frank Leyden would would often say, you know, the game
Speaker 12: was just a rumor because there were like two or
Speaker 12: three hundred people there.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 14: We went to the game together with Frank and Smitty.
Speaker 14: They were my first game I went to on Saturday,
Speaker 14: and Frank is Frank, He is unbelievaba. But you know,
Speaker 14: it's interesting dynamic because now you know it's like the
Speaker 14: Big Ten. A little bit you don't have to have
Speaker 14: is you have to have some marks in your fall season.
Speaker 14: It's really important in this and you know you need
Speaker 14: four or five to make a mark, and then you
Speaker 14: have nothing to lose on them. You go three and
Speaker 14: two against some top teams. You know, even if you
Speaker 14: have to go to tournaments to play them. You know
Speaker 14: you're seeing Duke play Kentucky, right, or Duke plays Arizona
Speaker 14: or something like that. Well, neither team has anything to
Speaker 14: lose and it really don't. And I know how that works,
Speaker 14: and it's kind of the formula. You've got to make
Speaker 14: sure you have enough wins in non conference against a
Speaker 14: few good teams. But if you finish in the middle
Speaker 14: of the Pac twelve and you've got three or four
Speaker 14: to wins in the non cory, you're in. You're in,
Speaker 14: and maybe got a decent seed. You know, they'll get
Speaker 14: eight teams in at least. Yeah, it's it's quite a challenge.
Speaker 2: And Craig is very front facing about it and opted
Speaker 2: you know, optimistic and uh, you know, believes they'll get there.
Speaker 2: They were picked to finish last in the conference. But
Speaker 2: let me follow up doctor Hill on a question that
Speaker 2: we've discussed before. And if there was an easy answer,
Speaker 2: you just do it and you solve the thing.
Speaker 1: But as you know, I was a student at Utah
Speaker 1: in the late nineties.
Speaker 2: We planned our weeks around basketball games and it was
Speaker 2: always jam packed and it was so fun. And whenever
Speaker 2: I go up to the Huntsman now I'm like, what happened?
Speaker 2: You know, it feels like you're in some fever dream.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it really it's hard, you know, I think when
Speaker 14: we you know, obviously Rick Rick left. It was you know,
Speaker 14: not only we were winning, we also had a guy
Speaker 14: in the sideline that people came to watch him.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I mean they really did. Yeah.
Speaker 14: And you know we had a couple of Chad tournament
Speaker 14: I mean, you know, Larry went to the sweet sixteen
Speaker 14: and we started to group creep up a little bit
Speaker 14: with attendance. So you got to win. But I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 14: I'm worried about college basketball. Yeah, I really am. I mean,
Speaker 14: we have a lot of people like basketball, and but
Speaker 14: Utah State's been winning like crazy byus different. I mean,
Speaker 14: they have always have great attendance, even on some down years.
Speaker 14: But you know, now with a new coach and the
Speaker 14: players are getting and all that stuff, so you know,
Speaker 14: it is it's a shocker, you know when you go
Speaker 14: in there now and you think those that are around
Speaker 14: in the nineties were like we played ten o'clock games,
Speaker 14: Oh I remember.
Speaker 1: And they were packed. Yes, I remember. Now you play
Speaker 1: a seven thirty game, you go on, my guess and
Speaker 1: what am I going to do?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I tell people this.
Speaker 14: You know, a good time to start a game is
Speaker 14: when your team's great. You know, that's it doesn't matter
Speaker 14: what's a good seat in the house when your team wins.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 14: The seats are good when you win. Yeah, none are good.
Speaker 14: The hot dogs are cold. Everything's bad when you lose. Right,
Speaker 14: So until they they can win significantly, I think it's
Speaker 14: going to be tough coming back.
Speaker 1: But a lot of schools are in there now.
Speaker 2: It's sad to say, all right, Smitty, before we take
Speaker 2: our break and I let you guys go, we probably
Speaker 2: should talk about some jazz, since that's why we have
Speaker 2: you here more often than not. So I'll say this,
Speaker 2: over the past seven or eight games, offensively, they've been
Speaker 2: a lot better. Their offensive rating over the past eight
Speaker 2: games is like number seven in the NBA. Now, they
Speaker 2: do not guard anybody. Knocked down a bunch of shots
Speaker 2: against the Knicks, but they have been better offensively. I'll
Speaker 2: give them that. Anything standing out to you over the
Speaker 2: past seven eight games.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, they they made some shots in a few games, Okay.
Speaker 12: John Collins playing at the five has helped. I think
Speaker 12: somewhat they get a little bit. You know, he's playing
Speaker 12: very efficiently to this point, do you realize they've played
Speaker 12: John Collins has played all in all sixteen games the
Speaker 12: Jazz have played so far. Did you realize John Collins
Speaker 12: has missed one free throw?
Speaker 1: Well, that's impressive.
Speaker 12: He's forty seven for forty eight from the free throw
Speaker 12: you're kidding, Youssi. But he's playing efficiently at the five spot.
Speaker 12: They still turn the ball over too much. There's still
Speaker 12: too loose with it. The transition defense. Their man to
Speaker 12: man defense is really bad. There's still bottom five in
Speaker 12: all the statistical categories that hasn't improved. It looks like
Speaker 12: they're trying to play some different guys, some different lineups,
Speaker 12: just to get something something going. They played very well
Speaker 12: against Nick s Ay. I was impressed with the fact
Speaker 12: that they had a twenty point lead early in the
Speaker 12: third quarter. The Knicks went on a seventeen to oh
Speaker 12: run nineteen party got it down to two, and I thought, well,
Speaker 12: they're just going to keep it rolling. And the Jazz
Speaker 12: turn around and came right back with a run of
Speaker 12: their own and bumped it back up to twelve fourteen
Speaker 12: and ended up being able to close the game out.
Speaker 12: That was a good game for them. Now they're going
Speaker 12: to have an interesting stretch here. They play four games
Speaker 12: in the next six days starting tomorrow night. Spends very
Speaker 12: interesting in the NBA schedule. They played two back to
Speaker 12: back sets at home, which is very unusual. They play
Speaker 12: Tuesday night, Wednesday night, then they get two days off
Speaker 12: of Thanksgiving, then they play Saturday night, Sunday night at
Speaker 12: all four of those games right at home into Delta Center.
Speaker 12: And then in the month of December with the NBA
Speaker 12: Cup thing that that you got a couple of flex
Speaker 12: games that they're gonna haven't assigned yet, but they're gonna
Speaker 12: end up basically playing eight of nine games on the
Speaker 12: road during the bulk part of December, and so that's
Speaker 12: gonna be a tough stretch for them. So they're gonna
Speaker 12: they're gonna find out a lot about who they are,
Speaker 12: you know, during the stretch once they get to the
Speaker 12: Christmas holidays, you know, and and what the rotations are
Speaker 12: gonna be, and what the younger guys are doing within
Speaker 12: the lineup. Cody Williams hasn't shown up at all yet
Speaker 12: for me. The league, by the way, yeah, well they should. Well,
Speaker 12: while we had we had this discussion, uh the other
Speaker 12: day with someone you know, saying that really the I
Speaker 12: think it was on our show last week with Bowler
Speaker 12: when he mentioned the fact that you know, we have
Speaker 12: the G League team, which is a developmental team. Well,
Speaker 12: most of the Jazz guys who are playing now should
Speaker 12: be on the G League team.
Speaker 3: That's what the G League is for. That's what those
Speaker 3: guys are supposed to be.
Speaker 12: Twenty year old guys, twenty one year old guys, one
Speaker 12: year in college here they come not ready to play
Speaker 12: in the NBA, but they but they're force feeding them
Speaker 12: at the NBA. Okay, I get it. I understand the
Speaker 12: wise of it, but it's not I'm not sure how
Speaker 12: much it's helping them because they're they're getting their heads
Speaker 12: knocked around most nights, and they should really be in
Speaker 12: the G League setting where they can get better run,
Speaker 12: more extended run, and be able to get some level
Speaker 12: of success and taste that a little bit to see
Speaker 12: what it is at the pro level. That's but that
Speaker 12: that's gonna be an interesting time between now and the
Speaker 12: Christmas holidays in the Jazz schedule.
Speaker 2: Well, look, gentlemen, always a pleasure. Thanks so much, live
Speaker 2: in studio, have a great Thanksgiving. You'd love to do
Speaker 2: it again, Okay.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I really appreciate it. It's comfortable with you here,
Speaker 14: and I can say some things I want to say
Speaker 14: that love it.
Speaker 8: I love it.
Speaker 1: Richard Smith. Great to see you, my friend, Bens.
Speaker 3: Thanks man, Happy Thanksgiving to you and everybody out there.
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Speaker 2: Young in about we'll call that twenty two minutes right now,
Speaker 2: prior to the Craig Smith Coaches Show, we'll catch up
Speaker 2: with one of the best quarterbacks in the history of
Speaker 2: football period, whether collegiate or pro, where he won a
Speaker 2: number of Super Bowls and obviously one of the most
Speaker 2: efficient quarterbacks of all time. So we'll get Steve's thoughts
Speaker 2: on the two game skid that b YU finds itself
Speaker 2: in the midst of after starting the season nine to zero,
Speaker 2: two losses, now one to Kansas seventeen thirteen. That one
Speaker 2: is going to stick in the cross thirteen points at home,
Speaker 2: I think is the one they're going to look back on.
Speaker 2: Arizona State's really good and they are now in the
Speaker 2: driver's seats playing the Big Twelve championship game.
Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking about this all day.
Speaker 2: Both Utah and BYU with pretty valiant comebacks over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Both those games fell short. Utah football mired in a
Speaker 2: seven game losing streak. Nobody saw this coming. I don't
Speaker 2: care what the revisionist historians say. Nobody saw this coming.
Speaker 2: Utah heads to Orlando coming up on Friday. It's a
Speaker 2: short week. They're taking on one of the best offenses
Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve. Even though UCF has not necessarily
Speaker 2: performed the way consistently most people thought that they would,
Speaker 2: they're still one of the most potent offenses in the
Speaker 2: entire country. Utah finds themselves as a double digit underdog
Speaker 2: on Friday night. Ten points is now the line that's
Speaker 2: moved the way of UCF a couple of different times.
Speaker 2: And if Utah loses coming up on Friday night, that's
Speaker 2: eight straight l's and that would be the most losses
Speaker 2: consecutively ever suffered by a Utah football team. So there's
Speaker 2: not a ton to play for. Bowl game now off
Speaker 2: the table. U Taugh Football will not even go to
Speaker 2: a bowl game, which is hard to wrap your mind around.
Speaker 2: But I was talking about this earlier cross talk with Sean.
Speaker 2: You know, if you watch some of the Utah players
Speaker 2: and coaches post game after some of these losses, your
Speaker 2: hearts just break for him. Man like Junior Taffoona, That
Speaker 2: poor kid. Every time they throw him up on the
Speaker 2: dais after a loss, he just can't contain himself. He
Speaker 2: just gets emotional. We saw Connor O'Toole getting emotional. So
Speaker 2: it's a little corny for me to say what I'm
Speaker 2: about to say, but this is the last week that
Speaker 2: this group will ever play together, and quite frankly, will
Speaker 2: ever be together.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys know the deal.
Speaker 2: If you were with a team, or even if you
Speaker 2: graduated from high school or college, or we're in a
Speaker 2: fraternity or whatever, like that last moment when you are
Speaker 2: with your class or your team, you don't really realize
Speaker 2: that you won't see some of those people ever again.
Speaker 2: For the rest of your lives, you will never be
Speaker 2: together in that same group, in that same room. So
Speaker 2: I suppose there's that. You know, to hear Connor and
Speaker 2: Junior talk post game with tiers running down their cheeks
Speaker 2: about how much it means to them to play football,
Speaker 2: with our brothers. This is the final time that will happen,
Speaker 2: and it's the final time this group will ever be together. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's not what we thought the narrative would be or
Speaker 2: topically what we'd be discussing.
Speaker 1: You know, the week of Thanksgiving for Utah football.
Speaker 2: A team that was picked by Vegas to win the
Speaker 2: Big Twelve Championship, a team that was picked by the media.
Speaker 1: What do we know to win the Big twelve Championship?
Speaker 1: And now we find them?
Speaker 2: You know, we find ourselves in the spot watching this
Speaker 2: team week in and week out not necessarily get blown out.
Speaker 2: But I'm not here for that. I'm not here for
Speaker 2: the moral victories. You gotta win at the end of
Speaker 2: the day. And it's been seven straight l's in a
Speaker 2: tough game coming up at UCF in Orlando, I will say,
Speaker 2: and I know this is hard to do because there's
Speaker 2: so many people in the community that are so bummed
Speaker 2: out about where we find ourselves now with Utah football
Speaker 2: in a vacuum. My thoughts Saturday night was fun like,
Speaker 2: it was a great atmosphere. It was a great college
Speaker 2: football game. Luke Batari the fifth option for coach Wit
Speaker 2: and Mike Bajakian is now your starting quarterback coming up
Speaker 2: against UCF. Isaac Wilson lost for the year. That was
Speaker 2: a dirty play, not necessarily one to call these things
Speaker 2: out the way. A lot of people online just want
Speaker 2: to live to be angry, but that was an alligator
Speaker 2: role and coach wit for his media earlier today, and
Speaker 2: if you missed that, it's up at ESPN seven hundred.
Speaker 2: Sports dot Com did confirm that it was the rollover
Speaker 2: that caused the injury to Isaac, so he's now out
Speaker 2: for the year. Sam Heward, you know obviously Brandon Rose
Speaker 2: cam rising. So once again, Luke Patari, your fifth stringer
Speaker 2: is going to be your starter coming up against UCF.
Speaker 2: After Luke came in and I thought did a really
Speaker 2: really good job, provided a little bit of a spark,
Speaker 2: didn't he with that forty yard rush and a couple
Speaker 2: of nice completions. Obviously, the intentional grounding got a lot
Speaker 2: of attention. That was the right call, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: Luke would like that one back because ultimately he pushed
Speaker 2: him back and Cole didn't necessarily, he didn't leave it short.
Speaker 1: Cole Becker had the leg. He just pushed it.
Speaker 2: He just pushed it right, and you know, the air
Speaker 2: went out of the building. Senior night, they're ordering Ty
Speaker 2: Jordan are low. There is part of me that's always
Speaker 2: kind of had this thought in the back of my
Speaker 2: mind with Ti Jordan potentially being a senior this year,
Speaker 2: what that would have looked like. But you know, you
Speaker 2: can't exist in that space. Some cool moments having his
Speaker 2: family on the field and honoring them that way. So
Speaker 2: Utah football will close up the season coming up on
Speaker 2: Friday in Orlando. That's going to be a six o'clock
Speaker 2: start time. The TV will be on Fox. TV covers
Speaker 2: will be on Fox, and as far as the radio side,
Speaker 2: of course, we'll have you covered. Porter will get rolling
Speaker 2: at about two o'clock on Saturday for the pregame covers
Speaker 2: before he excuse me on Friday two o'clock on Friday
Speaker 2: for some pregame. It is a short week for Utah
Speaker 2: football as they travel to Orlando to take on UCF.
Speaker 1: Now, on the.
Speaker 2: Byu side of things, you know by was one of
Speaker 2: those teams this past weekend, along with Colorado, along with Alabama,
Speaker 2: along with old miss Good teams. In the driver's seat,
Speaker 2: you just handle your business and you are in with
Speaker 2: an opportunity to win a big twelve championship game, and
Speaker 2: now unfortunately the past two weeks after starting nine to zero,
Speaker 2: and at some point, I mean, we have to be
Speaker 2: honest here, at some point they were gonna get got.
Speaker 2: At some point all of the opportunistic, advantageous bounces were
Speaker 2: not going to go their way, and a couple of
Speaker 2: them didn't against Arizona State down in Tempe. And at
Speaker 2: some point Jake's mistakes we're going to come back to
Speaker 2: bite them. He has four games of multiple interceptions and
Speaker 2: that Picky threw down the stretch against Ashue, even though
Speaker 2: he was brilliant in the second half to bring them back,
Speaker 2: and even though for the most part he has.
Speaker 1: Been brilliant all year long.
Speaker 2: We saw Jake play last year and the thing was
Speaker 2: you could see the talent and the potential.
Speaker 1: It was just decisions.
Speaker 2: It was decision making from the quarterback position, and they
Speaker 2: have been able to survive. Would I perceive to be
Speaker 2: still the issue with Jake, and that is just you
Speaker 2: got to clean it up a little bit.
Speaker 15: You know.
Speaker 2: There are several plays around the course of this year
Speaker 2: where I feel like Byu has been able to survive
Speaker 2: his mistakes and make up for them with special teams,
Speaker 2: touchdowns or defensive ca you know, Havoc plays. But the
Speaker 2: past couple of weeks they've not been able to survive
Speaker 2: his mistakes. So the scenario now for BYU is pretty simple. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: they no longer only control their own destiny. They are
Speaker 2: a healthy favorite at this point. The line is thirteen
Speaker 2: point five over Houston coming up in Provo on Saturday night.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a late kick. Looks like that's
Speaker 1: gonna be about eight to fifteen.
Speaker 2: But they also need either Arizona State or Iowa State
Speaker 2: to lose. Iowa State closes out with K State at home,
Speaker 2: and Arizona State does have a rivalry game against Arizona
Speaker 2: on the road, so BYU at one point it looked
Speaker 2: like it was going to be BYU in Colorado, and
Speaker 2: part of me was pulling for that because I thought
Speaker 2: it would be a lot of fun to see that
Speaker 2: Iowa stayed is a slight favorite at home over K
Speaker 2: State to get that win. As of right now, K
Speaker 2: State's good football team, though, so we'll kind of see
Speaker 2: how that plays out, and then anything can happen. As
Speaker 2: we know here in our market, when two rivals go
Speaker 2: toe to toe. Arizona got Arizona State a year ago.
Speaker 2: It's a much different team at this point. Arizona State,
Speaker 2: even though they are the road team, their nine point
Speaker 2: five point favorite, So Vegas is saying that the odds
Speaker 2: are BYU will not get the help they need with
Speaker 2: either Arizona State or Iowa State losing. But it's college
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the more I'm a fan of
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Speaker 2: office like Scott's Tots Oh, Dinner Party.
Speaker 1: Dinner Party is rough, bro, It's.
Speaker 4: A unique comedy where it is, like some of it,
Speaker 4: you'd really have to understand the characters, the relationships, the
Speaker 4: whole tie in. But man, it is awkward, and it's
Speaker 4: as awkward as it gets on television.
Speaker 2: Good luck paying for my TV with your zero dollar
Speaker 2: your salary, babe, which he breaks his plasma TV like
Speaker 2: with his dundee the four inch TV. I love it
Speaker 2: when he pushes it against the wall. He's like, it
Speaker 2: comes with the cool feature and he just like pushes
Speaker 2: it back against the wall.
Speaker 4: That's a top five episode for sure.
Speaker 1: It is hilarious.
Speaker 2: You got a little nard dog in there, which of
Speaker 2: course is always a good thing. All right, real quick,
Speaker 2: you know, I do not watch a lot of MLS.
Speaker 2: I only watch RSL. I was struck though, over the
Speaker 2: weekend because after some of the games are wrapped up,
Speaker 2: I noticed that the the Western Conference semi final between
Speaker 2: LAFC and Seattle was on television. LAFC, of course Los
Speaker 2: Angeles Soccer Club.
Speaker 1: It was in LA.
Speaker 2: And every time LAFC had a corner kick, the cameraman
Speaker 2: would pan over and be like, well, there's Colin Hanks again,
Speaker 2: trying to motivate everybody to stand up for the court.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're in LA and the dude you got
Speaker 2: to tell people to stand up was Colin Hanks. Like
Speaker 2: that's the biggest that's the biggest celebrity available, Colin Hill
Speaker 2: is that it's Tom's kid.
Speaker 4: Not even Oh, I guess he's the So Tom has
Speaker 4: two kids, Colin is gone into acting. His other kid
Speaker 4: is like kind of an influencer, weirdo guy. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: could do better.
Speaker 1: Probly, what is Colin Hanks done?
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I just and by the way,
Speaker 2: it'd be one think if it was like, all right,
Speaker 2: well cool, Colin Hanks is here and just show him
Speaker 2: real quick. But that's the guy there was like motivating
Speaker 2: fans to stand up for corner Kicks. It was it
Speaker 2: was Colin Hanks. So, so, I guess that tells you
Speaker 2: where MLS is at at this He was in that
Speaker 2: thing You Do, which of course was produced by his
Speaker 2: dad and porter. Why don't you remind the folks our
Speaker 2: stance on NEPO babies here on the program?
Speaker 1: Can't win with them?
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, I'm out. I didn't tell you this
Speaker 2: prior to but I've I've had it. That's enough.
Speaker 1: You'll not hear me speaking into this microphone ever again
Speaker 1: or until next Monday. Where you h I'm going home
Speaker 1: for the holiday.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 1: My son is living back east. My family of course
Speaker 1: is back there.
Speaker 2: So coming up tomorrow and on Wednesday, it will be
Speaker 2: Porter and our guy Tony Tony Parks filling in for
Speaker 2: both Tuesday and Wednesday show. We're off Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 2: Then I will be back on Monday. So Porter, before
Speaker 2: we get out of here, what should our listeners know
Speaker 2: about your Tuesday show?
Speaker 4: Hey, you mentioned it, Tony Parks and I'll be in studio.
Speaker 4: Tim mcmannle stop by for the NBA Daily Assist. Well,
Speaker 4: we'll give you a Big twelve Power poll on a Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Kevin Reynolds of the Tribune will give us the latest
Speaker 4: on BYU in there Big twelve title. Chase. I invited
Speaker 4: Dave Fox in h You're not gonna be here, so
Speaker 4: he's probably not gonna even acknowledge it.
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Is that how he rolls?
Speaker 4: We'll see, we'll see if he's we'll see if he's
Speaker 4: listening tonight, if he's listening tonight and he heard this,
Speaker 4: he's gonna get offended and he'll text me back immediately.
Speaker 4: If not, I'll probably hear from him next week.
Speaker 1: I'll give him some guff tonight.
Speaker 4: Don't do it, don't do it?
Speaker 2: Okay, well not see, okay, fair enough. This is a
Speaker 2: test for day Fox, all right?
Speaker 1: And is that it for Tuesday show?
Speaker 8: For now?
Speaker 1: All right? No, that's fun.
Speaker 2: So make sure to give Porter and Tony your ears
Speaker 2: and I'll talk to you guys one week from today,
Speaker 2: so we will say good night. Special thank you to
Speaker 2: Steve Young, Tom Haberstrow, Richard Smith and doctor Chris Hill.
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Speaker 2: blessed for Porter. I'm spent saying tonight. Have a great
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving week, guys. I just want to say I'm grateful
Speaker 2: for all of you. If you listen to this show man,
Speaker 2: it means the world to us. So be good yourself,
Speaker 2: be good to each other. Porter Tony Tomorrow Wednesday. I'll
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