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<v Speaker 1>All right, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Drivetime Monday afternoon, ten minutes past the hour of two o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>It is cloudy and it is cold.

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<v Speaker 2>It is November in Salt Lake City, and as it

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<v Speaker 2>is every single day, it's going to have you along

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<v Speaker 2>for the ride. Spence check, it's beyond the Mike Porter

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<v Speaker 2>Larsen behind the glass. Happy Monday to you. Hope you

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<v Speaker 2>had a great weekend. It was a chaotic weekend in

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<v Speaker 2>the world of college and pro football. That's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the wildest weekends I've seen in football in quite some time.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to all the storylines, of course, both locally

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<v Speaker 1>and nationally.

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<v Speaker 2>Both BYU and Utah on the football side of things,

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<v Speaker 2>came back, Can had a chance at the end, but

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<v Speaker 2>neither was able to get over the line to get

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<v Speaker 2>it done. And now BYU needs a little help. Now

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<v Speaker 2>they had everything in front of him, in front of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and now they're going to need a little help if

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<v Speaker 2>they want to go to Dallas for the Big twelve

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<v Speaker 2>championship game. Of course, we will talk about all the

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<v Speaker 2>storylines pertinent to that, and of course Utah for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time since I believe twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>thereabouts will not be going to a bowl game after Look,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a really fun college football environment, really fun

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<v Speaker 2>college football game.

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<v Speaker 1>Iowa State's not a bad team. It's a good team.

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<v Speaker 2>They come into Salt Lake City and ride off into

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<v Speaker 2>the sunset with a thirty one to twenty eight win

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<v Speaker 2>after a valiant comeback by Utah football with my guy

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<v Speaker 2>the Ferrari shout out to Luke Patari under center, Where

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<v Speaker 2>has that been? I know a lot of Youte fans

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<v Speaker 2>kind of frustrated there, But we'll get to, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what kind of what happened over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we'll kind of preview what's next coming up on

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<v Speaker 2>Friday in Orlando, the happiest place on Earth. Spoiler alert,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not. It's Central Florida. You've just been to Disney World.

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<v Speaker 2>Utah at this point is a massive underdog. They're a

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<v Speaker 2>nine point five point underdog that over unders forty seven

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<v Speaker 2>point five. So, according to Vegas, Utah most likely to

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<v Speaker 2>end the season with eight straight losses, something that has

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<v Speaker 2>never happened. It would be the longest losing streak in

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<v Speaker 2>the history of Utah football. BYU on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>is a thirteen point five point favorite over Houston coming

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<v Speaker 2>up on Saturday night at Lavelle Edwards Stadium, eight to fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Kick.

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<v Speaker 2>That's going to be a cold one, of course, after Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 2>and BYU needs to win and they need help namely

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<v Speaker 2>either Iowa State or Arizona State to get the l

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<v Speaker 2>scenes as the kids would say down in Tempe. As

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona State gets that win twenty eight to twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>And BYU has now lost two straight football games after

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<v Speaker 2>starting the season off at nine to zero. So we'll

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of college football on the show today,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll do some pro football as well. Your NFL Week

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<v Speaker 2>twelve wraps up tonight with the Ravens and the Chargers

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<v Speaker 2>at SOFI Stadium in Inglewood, California. Baltimore is a two

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<v Speaker 2>point five point favorite the over Hunders fifty point five,

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<v Speaker 2>so Vegas expecting a lot of scoring tonight with some

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<v Speaker 2>Monday Night football, which, of course, as you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>are your home with the NFL here in this little market,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can hear Monday Night football right after we

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<v Speaker 2>say good night at six here on a ESPN seven hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be on TV with Dave Fox tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Two pelotons, two Emmy's at ten thirty five on KMYU.

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<v Speaker 1>We call that five questions was Spence.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are very very busy on the show today,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty football centric, but we will of course talk and basketball.

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<v Speaker 2>The Utah Jazz beat the New York Knicks. The Knicks

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<v Speaker 2>were the second best offense in Pro basketball prior to

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<v Speaker 2>the game Matt and Ay on Saturday, Walker Kessler rolls

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<v Speaker 2>back into the lineup after missing six games and played really,

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<v Speaker 2>really well one twenty one, one oh six. That was

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<v Speaker 2>potentially the best game I've seen them play all year long.

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<v Speaker 2>And the next namely Karl Anthony Towns, Jalen Bronson, they

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<v Speaker 2>could not hit a shot. Michel Bridges couldn't hit it either.

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<v Speaker 2>They were seventeen to fifty one from three. Jazz went

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen to thirty four. Lowry had five, Colin had six,

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny guesseay and came off the bench when four of

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<v Speaker 2>seven from three. The Jazz really shot it well and

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<v Speaker 2>in a sneaky way. Their offense has been a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit better as of late. So we'll get this NBA

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<v Speaker 2>stuff of course as well on the show today, in

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<v Speaker 2>addition to our college and pro football content with a

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<v Speaker 2>good guest list right out of the gates. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the best to ever do it in both college and

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<v Speaker 2>pro football. Steve Young, former BYU quarterback, former San Francisco

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<v Speaker 2>forty nine er quarterback. I played in Steve's charity golf

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<v Speaker 2>tournament a week ago. He's good enough to agree to

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<v Speaker 2>join us today, even though my golf game did not

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<v Speaker 2>reflect that. I deserve it with a bad performance last week.

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<v Speaker 2>But Steve's gonna hop on the show today. Excited to

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<v Speaker 2>get to that. Tom Haberstrow NBA Daily Assist. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>a fan of the show, First of all, thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you? Second of all, you know Tom. Tom

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<v Speaker 2>spent a number of years with ESPN, NBC. He now

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<v Speaker 2>has a column for Yahoo, and he does a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of work with a Portland Trailblazer broadcast team. We are

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<v Speaker 2>in the midst of a historically ridiculous season from Nicola Jokic,

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<v Speaker 2>but not a lot of people are talking about it

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<v Speaker 2>because he's missing time and Denver is potentially not as

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<v Speaker 2>good as most people thought. But we're gonna get to

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<v Speaker 2>some jazz and some NBA with Tom haberstroked it out

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<v Speaker 2>of Monday afternoon as we are wont to Mondays of

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<v Speaker 2>the college football season.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the final time we will be able to

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<v Speaker 1>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Coach Wit addressed the media earlier today, he was

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<v Speaker 2>asked about his future. He was asked about the future

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<v Speaker 2>of Camra, Rising said he expects cam to make a

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<v Speaker 2>decision in a week to ten days about potentially coming

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<v Speaker 2>back for an eighth year to play for the Utes.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll bring that to you guys coming up on

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<v Speaker 2>this Monday at three thirty. And then Richard Smith and

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Chris Hill, both of them live in Studios studio

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<v Speaker 2>today at four o'clock for an entire hour. All three

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<v Speaker 2>of us are obnoxious Northeast people, so just stay tuned

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<v Speaker 2>to be annoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd offended for an entire hour.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do some jazz, we'll do some utes, We'll just

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<v Speaker 2>have fun with Smitty and doctor Hill, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>launch it unto the five o'clock hour of the program today.

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<v Speaker 2>So Steve Young, Tom Haberstrow, let's hear from Coach Wit,

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Smith, Doctor Chris Hill, me Spence check it to

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<v Speaker 2>all of you the great listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Monday. Hope you had a great weekend off to

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<v Speaker 1>a good start to your work. Week.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Thanksgiving week to you. Hopefully you have some time off.

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<v Speaker 2>And that young man, his name is Porter Larson on

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<v Speaker 2>a Monday afternoon, all right, what up? Unleash the ferrari

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<v Speaker 2>our guy actually showed something and deja vu. Man, they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna play Loop coming up on Friday. It's their fifth quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wild. It really is seven straight ls. I do

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<v Speaker 2>think Saturday night was fun. If you can just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hone in on one game in a vacuum, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a great college football game.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm stunned that we're sitting here with a football team

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<v Speaker 2>that's lost seven straight.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well it is kind of encapsulates Utah season, right the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that they're down to Luke Patari and now Dalan

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<v Speaker 4>Engleman for their backup against UCF. And if they were

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<v Speaker 4>to lose one of those or both of those guys,

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<v Speaker 4>Kyle said he doesn't really know what they would what

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<v Speaker 4>they would do probably Wildcat with mcgui Bernard or someone there.

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<v Speaker 4>The original Wildcat quarterback was kind of brand Keithy. This year,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't even have him, So, yeah, what Utah would

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<v Speaker 4>do if if it got even worse, would be it

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<v Speaker 4>would be an interesting situation, but it does kind of,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, reflect the season they've had, unfortunately, but it

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<v Speaker 4>was cool to see Luke, I think, perform well on

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<v Speaker 4>Senior Night and listen with the way the quarterback position

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<v Speaker 4>has been played, I'll be honest with you, I would

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<v Speaker 4>have liked to see some more reps from mister Luke

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<v Speaker 4>Patari throughout the season, especially when you were wavering, when

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<v Speaker 4>you weren't sure if Isaac or Brandon Rose was ready

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<v Speaker 4>to run Andy Ludwigs's offense or maybe make a switch

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<v Speaker 4>of offensive coordinator mid season. That's tough on a kid

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<v Speaker 4>who's never ran the system before. Anyway, I think you know,

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<v Speaker 4>from my perspective, I know hindsight is twenty twenty. I

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<v Speaker 4>would like to see a little more of Luke Patari,

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<v Speaker 4>and hopefully we see a little glimpse of that on Friday,

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<v Speaker 4>the short week, which is always fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was watching my guy for the Ferrari lead

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<v Speaker 2>Utah on a comeback that nearly got it done, it

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<v Speaker 2>made me miss the long hair because I'm short.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that you buzzed it hair short.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't buzz it well, but I had it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't go Britney spears. I had it down past the shoulders.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know when I think I told you this

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<v Speaker 2>couple weeks ago, my friends and I did this thing

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<v Speaker 2>on our text threat to send the most COVID pick possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh.

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<v Speaker 4>And you remember when I had very long haired beard.

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<v Speaker 2>I had the hair past the shoulder and a beard

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<v Speaker 2>that was just way too long. You could taste your

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<v Speaker 2>dinner from the night before. That was mine. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a good look.

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<v Speaker 4>It's I don't mind it, but hey, I do want

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<v Speaker 4>to go back to something. You you you kind of

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<v Speaker 4>glanced past it very quickly. Your performance at the Steve

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<v Speaker 4>Young Golf tournament. You got you went, You went real

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<v Speaker 4>quick by by that certain topic.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to that later. Let me just say this, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a scramble. It was a four man scramble.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe I'll just give Steve some credit. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't do that because I throw the guys under the bus.

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<v Speaker 2>He put my brother and I with potentially the two

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<v Speaker 2>worst golfers in the entire group. And my bro, my

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<v Speaker 2>brother Nate, is a busy guy, doesn't play a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of golf.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just tell you this. We had four birdies. I

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<v Speaker 1>had three of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, so you didn't play it terrible. I wasn't great

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<v Speaker 2>and our group wasn't great either. But I'll go into

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<v Speaker 2>more detail later because we have housekeeping to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Sound good.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say Steve Young will be our first guest today.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we get to Steve, courtesy of our friends

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<v Speaker 1>It's time now for your opening tip.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome to the Drive with Spence Check. It's on Utah's

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<v Speaker 5>number one sports talk. Now into the studio of ESPN

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<v Speaker 5>seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So, as we've already discussed a absolute chaotic week

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<v Speaker 2>of college and pro football, quite frankly, where a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of teams, both in the Big Twelve and throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>course of college football.

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<v Speaker 1>Had everything in front of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't love the term like control your own destiny,

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<v Speaker 2>Like how many times have you heard that over the

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<v Speaker 1>But certainly Brigham Young in.

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<v Speaker 2>sneaky cheering for. I just think that would be super

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<v Speaker 2>entertaining to see a local team go up against Dion

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<v Speaker 2>on such a big stage. Both BYU and Colorado had

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<v Speaker 2>everything to play, play for and potentially, as they say,

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<v Speaker 2>control their own destiny, and both just fell flat on

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<v Speaker 2>their face. Is it possible that Kansas is the best

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<v Speaker 1>Is anybody good? Is anybody bad?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing makes sense with this flukey conference, man, this hokey conference.

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado goes to Kansas and they essentially get their doors

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen zero. They did mount a comeback because they started

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<v Speaker 2>force feeding Travis Hunter, who was so insanely good. That

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<v Speaker 2>kid should and probably will win the Heisman. But Kansas

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<v Speaker 2>takes that game thirty seven to twenty one, and Colorado

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<v Speaker 2>is still alive. There are actually eight teams that are

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<v Speaker 2>technically still alive in the Big Twelve, and of course BYU.

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<v Speaker 1>Was one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So BYU goes down to Tempe and by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just say this. My sincere win this holiday

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<v Speaker 2>something that you're as passionate about as BYU fans are

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<v Speaker 2>as passionate about calling out the behavior of other fan bases,

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<v Speaker 2>win or lose man.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all.

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<v Speaker 2>We get videos over the course of like seventy two

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<v Speaker 2>Look for the ASU security probably should have been a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more on top of it. And I do

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<v Speaker 2>want to give the BYU coaches and players a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of credit for not cole cock in one of those

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<v Speaker 2>little frat boys that ran up on them and tried

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<v Speaker 2>to get chesty, like, well done, gentlemen. When I'm watching

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<v Speaker 2>the ASU fans rush the field not once but twice

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to hone in on how many of these

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<v Speaker 2>kids are jumping up in the face as a BYU

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<v Speaker 2>players and coaches, I'm expecting somebody to get kinda kuid

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<v Speaker 2>from the Miami Beach Brawl Bowl back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm watching for it. I'm waiting for it, hoping

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't happen. But the BYU coaches and players showed

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<v Speaker 2>a tremendous amount of restraints and apparently there was beer.

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<v Speaker 1>Billed on people.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this fan base gets beer porn on them

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<v Speaker 2>wherever they're at, which I always find a little bit odd,

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<v Speaker 2>like that is the go to how they were wasted

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<v Speaker 2>their porn.

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<v Speaker 1>Beer on us? Really, like are you sure?

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I thought the players and coaches showed tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>restraint and ultimately you can get mad about the final

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<v Speaker 2>play all you want. Should it have been intentional grounding

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<v Speaker 2>on Sam Levitt? By the way, Dallan Levitt released a

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<v Speaker 2>video on social that appears to show his feelings for

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<v Speaker 2>the BYU fan base, not coaches and players. And I

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<v Speaker 2>always talk about the difference between the two on this show,

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<v Speaker 2>and there is a mighty difference. But Sam Levitt, and

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, what is Kenny Dillingham doing? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he's obviously a bright, smart coach. He was one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite interviews for a Big twelve media day. But

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<v Speaker 2>that was like the most cowardly way to finish a

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<v Speaker 2>game I've ever seen. And yes, the bottom line is

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<v Speaker 2>just to get the hell out of dodge and get

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<v Speaker 2>the win and move on. But they had the ball

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<v Speaker 2>essentially near the goal line, just go score man. He

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<v Speaker 2>has Sam Levitt run backwards a couple different times, and

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<v Speaker 2>then Sam throws the ball of bounds. You guys have

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<v Speaker 2>seen it by now. Essentially that's intentional grounding. It should

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<v Speaker 2>have been, and I thought one point of emphasis was

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<v Speaker 2>to call, you know, unsportsmanlike penalties on teams where the

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<v Speaker 2>fans rush the field way too early, like BYU. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>probably should have had that ball a little bit closer

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<v Speaker 2>to the end zone, maybe about the forty yard line.

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<v Speaker 2>But as it is, you know, Jake rushes out of

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<v Speaker 2>the pocket on the right side, he heaves it but

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't get it into the end zone. Chase catches it

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<v Speaker 2>on like the three yard line, and your game is over.

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<v Speaker 2>But ultimately it's the start for the second straight week

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<v Speaker 2>for BYU that you look at. They were down twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one zero, They had three points in the first half

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<v Speaker 2>and then just came out gangbusters in the second and

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<v Speaker 2>really did a great job to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually thought they.

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<v Speaker 2>Were going to do it again because we've seen it

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<v Speaker 2>from them so many times. But it does give credence

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<v Speaker 2>to the people who were a little bit skeptical about

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<v Speaker 2>annointy in BYU as they started their season off and

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<v Speaker 2>continue to rack up wins, and there were a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fortunate moments, but ultimately I do think this gives

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<v Speaker 2>some credence to the people that were a little bit skeptical.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that BYU has lost two straight games. I do

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<v Speaker 2>think the game they're going to look back on is

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen points at home against Kansas. ASU is really good

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<v Speaker 2>and Dylan Ham's done a really, really good job.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Cam Scataboo, as we know, is a really good back.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes for one forty seven and three touchdowns. And

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<v Speaker 2>now BYU has to beat Houston coming up on Saturday

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<v Speaker 2>in Provo, and they have to have either ASU or

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<v Speaker 2>Iowa stayed to lose. Iowa States at home against k States,

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<v Speaker 2>and ASU is on the road to finish the season

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<v Speaker 2>with a rival with Arizona. So we'll see how it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to some Utah football coming up. But coming

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<v Speaker 2>up next, Steve Young is going to join us efforting

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<v Speaker 2>they say in the business to get Steve Young on

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<v Speaker 2>the on the horn A little tied up right now,

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<v Speaker 2>so we might bump that to a little bit later.

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<v Speaker 2>Excited to have Richard Smith and doctor Chris Hill live

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<v Speaker 2>and studio we're gonnaduce Mba with Tom Haberstrow, but as

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<v Speaker 2>we are wont to do every Monday during the college

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<v Speaker 2>is the head ball coach for the Utes, coach Wit

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<v Speaker 2>Short again.

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<v Speaker 6>So disappointing a lot of positive things in that game.

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<v Speaker 6>Exceptionally pleased with the way the special teams played. It

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<v Speaker 6>was the best special teams performance of the season. Made

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<v Speaker 6>some impact plays. Recovering the muffed punt return from the opponent,

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<v Speaker 6>set the offense up on the seventeen yard line I

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<v Speaker 6>believe it was, and we blocked a punt for a touchdown,

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<v Speaker 6>and so some real impact plays that occurred specialties wise.

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<v Speaker 6>It was good to see because we had not done

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<v Speaker 6>much of that this year. Luke Pattari that he came

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<v Speaker 6>in and really provided a spark. Luke, just like last

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<v Speaker 6>year when he was called upon the Colorado game, I

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<v Speaker 6>believe it was last game of the season.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh will be the starter of this week.

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<v Speaker 6>Isaac will not be available and so Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>for a guy that started the season as the fifth

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<v Speaker 6>string guy and really didn't have a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 6>of a chance to play, just continued to keep himself

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<v Speaker 6>ready every single week in case.

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<v Speaker 7>And uh last week was the week that.

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<v Speaker 6>That he got his opportunity and and really did some

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<v Speaker 6>good things. Came in and and uh really uh you know,

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<v Speaker 6>provided the spark for us, and so that was that

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<v Speaker 6>was good to see Luke uh do that. And again

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<v Speaker 6>he'll get the opportunity this week to be the starter.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh some other performances, Dandri and Zipper came in and

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<v Speaker 6>did a nice job. We uh you know, missing a

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<v Speaker 6>couple three or four two or three receivers and so

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<v Speaker 6>he uh had his opportunity and uh made the most

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<v Speaker 6>of it. Had four catches. Uh big catch at the

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<v Speaker 6>beginning of the game. It was great catch on the

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<v Speaker 6>deep ball.

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<v Speaker 8>Uh.

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<v Speaker 6>Keith Olsen Uh our right guard again where I said

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<v Speaker 6>after the Prescott's were down to our fifth, fifth right

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<v Speaker 6>guard or fifth guard overall. And he came in and

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<v Speaker 6>really played well. First opportunity to play as a ute

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<v Speaker 6>and did some good things. So a lot of positives

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<v Speaker 6>in the game, but again we weren't able to get

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<v Speaker 6>the win. And now we got to Central Florida on

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<v Speaker 6>the road Friday, so a little bit of a short week.

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<v Speaker 6>So today we'll be back on the field and practicing

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<v Speaker 6>as if it was a Tuesday and proceed through our

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<v Speaker 6>paces during the week. Central Florida really potent on offense,

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<v Speaker 6>leading the conference offensively, running the ball exceptionally well, as

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<v Speaker 6>is the case with any GUS balls on team. You're

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<v Speaker 6>gonna you're gonna have a strong run game. They're running

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<v Speaker 6>it for over two to fifty a week and another

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<v Speaker 6>couple hundred throwing the ball, so just over four to

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<v Speaker 6>fifty a week of total low. It's going points, good

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<v Speaker 6>on third down, good in the red zone. So it'll

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<v Speaker 6>be uh challenge for for our defense this week to

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<v Speaker 6>to face that, uh, particularly that rushing attack. So questions

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<v Speaker 6>I got just maybe this spokesperson, Oh yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's a two part two party.

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<v Speaker 8>Wow.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh.

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<v Speaker 9>It would seem that the old pack called schools not

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<v Speaker 9>just Utah I have had a difficult time adjusting to

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<v Speaker 9>the Big Pole Conference. Do you have any thoughts as

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<v Speaker 9>to why this is also and real in this question?

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<v Speaker 9>Any thoughts about completing your twenty first year.

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<v Speaker 6>With the university? You, uh, okay, most of my twentieth year.

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<v Speaker 6>Are you talking about next year?

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<v Speaker 7>Next year?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, uh okay. Let's see first part par Pack twelve. Well,

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<v Speaker 6>Colorado's having no problem adjusting as there's no State isn't

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<v Speaker 6>either They're they're both uh seem to be faring very well.

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<v Speaker 7>In fact, I believe.

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<v Speaker 6>There are two of the four teams that still have

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<v Speaker 7>I got that right, Uh.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, Uh, then there's us who obviously is are have

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<v Speaker 7>Who else?

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<v Speaker 6>Arizona Arizona is pretty much where we are. I guess

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<v Speaker 6>and so don't have a good answer for it. Uh

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<v Speaker 6>football cyclical in in a lot of ways, and and

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<v Speaker 6>uh you just got to do the best you can.

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<v Speaker 6>But but I know that, like I said, those two

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<v Speaker 6>Colorado and Arizona State are seemingly making a very strong transition.

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<v Speaker 8>Uh.

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<v Speaker 6>Second part my twenty first year, I'll I uh will

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<v Speaker 6>you know obviously evaluate after the season's over see what

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<v Speaker 6>see what the situation is. But my decision we made

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<v Speaker 6>on what's best for the program, that what's best for me.

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<v Speaker 6>So it'll be completely determined on how I feel, uh

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<v Speaker 6>this program is best served going forward. And uh so yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>that's where that is kay.

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<v Speaker 11>I'll kind of piggybacking off of that decision. You know,

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<v Speaker 11>you have an offensive coordinator higher that you have to

427
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<v Speaker 11>make you a transfer classt. I'm sure you're thinking about

428
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<v Speaker 11>will you make that decision after all of those moves

429
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<v Speaker 11>are done?

430
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<v Speaker 7>Can't tell you for sure.

431
00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:29.960
<v Speaker 6>You know, it's just uh, like I said, after the

432
00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.200
<v Speaker 6>final game's finished Friday, you know, four days from now,

433
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<v Speaker 6>five days from now, UH sit down and and uh

434
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<v Speaker 6>evaluate everything. I can tell you right now that coach

435
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<v Speaker 6>Scaley will be involved in decisions going forward because it's

436
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<v Speaker 6>it's the only right that he he uh does that

437
00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:49.720
<v Speaker 6>because he's uh the coaching waiting and and when that

438
00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:52.200
<v Speaker 6>time comes, you know, we need to make sure that

439
00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.440
<v Speaker 6>uh you know he's had uh input on on big

440
00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:58.359
<v Speaker 6>decisions and so uh it'll be a team effort in

441
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<v Speaker 6>that respect going forward.

442
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<v Speaker 7>As far as hiring and recruiting and that type of thing.

443
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<v Speaker 8>Do you have in the quarterback situation, you will uh

444
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<v Speaker 8>how much of my priority is that you get a

445
00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:11.079
<v Speaker 8>start a literal quarterback.

446
00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:11.079
<v Speaker 9>On a ton?

447
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well, we gotta we gotta solve our quarterback problems.

448
00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:16.799
<v Speaker 6>I can tell you that, and that that has been

449
00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:21.880
<v Speaker 6>you know a uh difficult thing this year, and we're

450
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<v Speaker 6>now on our fifth QB and uh we got one

451
00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:26.359
<v Speaker 6>left after that. We have six to twelve in the program.

452
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<v Speaker 6>So so Dallan Ingerman, we'll be backing up uh Luke

453
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<v Speaker 6>Matari in this game. And uh that's all she wrote

454
00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:35.319
<v Speaker 6>after those two. Uh, I don't have a good answer,

455
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<v Speaker 6>so we hope it doesn't come to beyond that. But

456
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<v Speaker 6>but quarterback, as I said over and over, the most

457
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<v Speaker 6>important position in football, in team sports, period and you

458
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<v Speaker 6>better be uh good there if you wanna have a

459
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<v Speaker 6>chance to win. So we've got to evaluate. Just like

460
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<v Speaker 6>I've got to evaluate my situation, we've got to evaluate

461
00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:56.680
<v Speaker 6>the quarterback situation and to make sure we have ourselves

462
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<v Speaker 6>covered for next year. I guess that's the best answer I.

463
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<v Speaker 7>Can give PK.

464
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<v Speaker 8>Well, I be right.

465
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<v Speaker 7>For spootball, Yes, we think that is gonna be the case.

466
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<v Speaker 6>Uh there's still a few more evaluations that need to

467
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<v Speaker 6>take place, but but it's looking like uh spring ball

468
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<v Speaker 6>is in play.

469
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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

470
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<v Speaker 6>And then the transfers, obviously they've already been through the

471
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<v Speaker 6>recruiting process.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm wondering where do they place this priority as far

473
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<v Speaker 12>as inn al.

474
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<v Speaker 7>Uh incoming portal transfers for us. UH.

475
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<v Speaker 6>Top well, the top priority is is uh being able

476
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<v Speaker 6>to uh retain your own roster and and the you know,

477
00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:38.359
<v Speaker 6>the players on your roster that are particularly.

478
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<v Speaker 7>The key guys.

479
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<v Speaker 6>And then uh you'll also have uh key roles that

480
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<v Speaker 6>need to be filled uh through the portal via the portal,

481
00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:48.759
<v Speaker 6>and so that will be uh right there at the

482
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<v Speaker 6>at the top of the list. And so we've already

483
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<v Speaker 6>begun the process of of having conversations with our own

484
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<v Speaker 6>players and making sure that we got uh, you know,

485
00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.440
<v Speaker 6>everything in order there and uh then we move on

486
00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:02.960
<v Speaker 6>to the next phase, which is which is the portal.

487
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<v Speaker 6>And then of course you're incoming freshmen but will be

488
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<v Speaker 6>uh involved in that as well. But portal will be

489
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<v Speaker 6>a priority for us. We're gonna I I foresee being

490
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<v Speaker 6>ten to fifteen players from the portal, uh roughly, and

491
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<v Speaker 6>uh you know that could change by a guy or two.

492
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<v Speaker 6>But that's about the projection.

493
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<v Speaker 11>Uh.

494
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<v Speaker 9>Last year you said was the worst for injuries, where

495
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:25.720
<v Speaker 9>a part of it, uh this year worse?

496
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<v Speaker 7>And is there anything that can be done to avoid.

497
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<v Speaker 8>Somebody in that?

498
00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:35.279
<v Speaker 6>Well, UH, that's a good question. Which one is worse

499
00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:40.559
<v Speaker 6>is they're both both been uh challenging. Uh we did

500
00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:43.759
<v Speaker 6>make a lot of adjustments in our m fall camp

501
00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:47.160
<v Speaker 6>and uh a ramp up to the season, which did

502
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:50.160
<v Speaker 6>pay dividends. We had, like I said, way back when,

503
00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:54.079
<v Speaker 6>seventy percent fewer soft tissue injuries. But uh, the injuries

504
00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.599
<v Speaker 6>that we're incurring now, I don't know. I don't know

505
00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:00.359
<v Speaker 6>if you can do anything about that through train and

506
00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.599
<v Speaker 6>uh all that stuff. But but uh, we certainly made

507
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:08.319
<v Speaker 6>a huge step forward in the uh soft tissue, which

508
00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:11.400
<v Speaker 6>last year was was a problem uh big time. And

509
00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:15.880
<v Speaker 6>so I'm not a a doctor or a physical therapist,

510
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.720
<v Speaker 6>but but uh, we feel like we're doing everything we can.

511
00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.039
<v Speaker 6>We have a great strength program that our guys get

512
00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:24.240
<v Speaker 6>bigger and stronger, and it's just uh, I I really

513
00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:26.880
<v Speaker 6>have no great answer other than we looked at it

514
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:28.720
<v Speaker 6>from every angle this year, and we'll do it again

515
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:31.319
<v Speaker 6>uh after the season, and try to continue to make

516
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<v Speaker 6>uh progress of that regard.

517
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<v Speaker 12>And then not nily got on a specific game, But

518
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<v Speaker 12>how soon is it for how important is it for

519
00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:39.400
<v Speaker 12>you to make a decision as soon as possible for

520
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:40.359
<v Speaker 12>recruits and players?

521
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<v Speaker 7>Uh?

522
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<v Speaker 6>Well, with the coach of waiting in place, we all

523
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:46.799
<v Speaker 6>we already have that discussion with recruits that when that

524
00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:49.200
<v Speaker 6>time comes, here's what the plan is. And and so

525
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:53.119
<v Speaker 6>it's not like, uh, you know, the recruits and our

526
00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:55.799
<v Speaker 6>own guys don't know what the succession plan is. And

527
00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:58.160
<v Speaker 6>so that that takes some of the edge off it.

528
00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:01.359
<v Speaker 6>And uh, it would be a whole different if we

529
00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:03.640
<v Speaker 6>didn't have that plan in place, because then if I

530
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.640
<v Speaker 6>you know, when that time comes, it would be anybody's guests,

531
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:08.599
<v Speaker 6>you know what's gonna happen and who's it gonna be.

532
00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:11.119
<v Speaker 6>But they know exactly what the what the plan is.

533
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.000
<v Speaker 6>And that that again was the real reason for laying

534
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:17.759
<v Speaker 6>down that plan several months ago when when it was announced.

535
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:22.920
<v Speaker 11>So many coaches, I mean Nick Saban, Virginias men's basketball

536
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.559
<v Speaker 11>coach recently, they've all sort of not been driven out

537
00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:28.960
<v Speaker 11>of the game, but it played a factor. Nil played

538
00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.960
<v Speaker 11>a factor, and their decision, you know, the game wasn't

539
00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.400
<v Speaker 11>what it was for them, you know twenty years some

540
00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:36.359
<v Speaker 11>ago whenever they became head coach.

541
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<v Speaker 1>Does that impact.

542
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:39.279
<v Speaker 7>Your decision at all?

543
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:42.920
<v Speaker 11>The way the game's changed and evolved.

544
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:46.119
<v Speaker 6>I think everything reacts that decision. And uh, in il

545
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:49.240
<v Speaker 6>is certainly the biggest game changer of them all with

546
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:51.759
<v Speaker 6>the portal, they're kind of linked together in a way,

547
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:57.039
<v Speaker 6>and and players just the challenge of so much turnover

548
00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:01.680
<v Speaker 6>in your roster and and uh, the you know you're

549
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:04.079
<v Speaker 6>playing for the love of the game now is that's

550
00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:05.400
<v Speaker 6>kind of a thing of the past. I mean, there

551
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:07.880
<v Speaker 6>are obviously there's players that love football and and would

552
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.440
<v Speaker 6>play if there wasn't an il. I mean it's it's

553
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:13.160
<v Speaker 6>not I'm not saying that, but but that seems to

554
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.720
<v Speaker 6>have taken a back seat to uh as far as

555
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:16.519
<v Speaker 6>their decision making.

556
00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:17.880
<v Speaker 7>Anyway, where am I going to play?

557
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.920
<v Speaker 6>It's you know, who's got the the best financial opportunity,

558
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:23.759
<v Speaker 6>and I guess you you know, you can't blame them.

559
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.119
<v Speaker 6>And this is life changing money for a lot of

560
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:30.960
<v Speaker 6>these guys that their families, uh and everybody will benefit from.

561
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:35.720
<v Speaker 6>And so even you know it's here to stay. If

562
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:39.839
<v Speaker 6>you don't like it, get out because it's not gonna change.

563
00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:43.519
<v Speaker 6>It's so adapt or go a different directions.

564
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:44.319
<v Speaker 7>I guess.

565
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Cam was, you know, on the sideline for the first

566
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:48.279
<v Speaker 1>time in.

567
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:49.440
<v Speaker 7>A while in a boot.

568
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.400
<v Speaker 11>You know what, I guess have you picked up on

569
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:55.680
<v Speaker 11>in terms of his decision and how early or soon

570
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:57.799
<v Speaker 11>do you expect him to make a decision on his future?

571
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.160
<v Speaker 6>You know, I talked to Cam after the game Saturday,

572
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.240
<v Speaker 6>and we're gonna visit this week and and catch up

573
00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:07.160
<v Speaker 6>and and uh touch on that as well.

574
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:08.839
<v Speaker 7>You know what what his plans are.

575
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:13.720
<v Speaker 6>And we Uh, I have no inside scoop or anything

576
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.119
<v Speaker 6>right now as to what he's thinking. He's just, you know,

577
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:18.400
<v Speaker 6>haven't I just try to give him some space and

578
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.200
<v Speaker 6>let him sort things out and decide, uh which direction

579
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 6>he wants to go, and so have a better answer

580
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:25.640
<v Speaker 6>after this week.

581
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:26.240
<v Speaker 13>Uh.

582
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.599
<v Speaker 6>But again that's on time Cam's timeline, and obviously we've

583
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:32.599
<v Speaker 6>got to you know, at some point, uh, you know'll

584
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.720
<v Speaker 6>make our own decisions on what what's gonna happen if

585
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.440
<v Speaker 6>we if they're still in decisiveness. But but I think

586
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:39.480
<v Speaker 6>that should be cleared up, uh in the next week

587
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 6>to ten days.

588
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:42.759
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

589
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Has it heard when he was taken to the ground

590
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:46.799
<v Speaker 1>or was here on the ground when he.

591
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:49.559
<v Speaker 7>Was I think it was the the rollover, yeah, I think.

592
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:52.880
<v Speaker 14>But he was already down on the ground and the player.

593
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:55.519
<v Speaker 6>You're talking to the wrong guy about referees and penalties

594
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:57.160
<v Speaker 6>and what's going on there.

595
00:27:57.839 --> 00:27:58.000
<v Speaker 8>Uh.

596
00:27:58.119 --> 00:27:58.799
<v Speaker 7>I just don't.

597
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.160
<v Speaker 6>I I don't even wanna get into it. But uh no,

598
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:06.160
<v Speaker 6>the initial tackle was not what uh caused. It was

599
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:09.839
<v Speaker 6>the the finish of the tackle or what do you

600
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:14.480
<v Speaker 6>wanna whatever, however you wanna turn it, and uh, yeah, that's.

601
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:14.720
<v Speaker 7>What it was.

602
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 4>So Biggie back him up.

603
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:18.920
<v Speaker 14>Of Cam's future, there's are there are a couple other

604
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.480
<v Speaker 14>guys who have been out for the season with injuries,

605
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:23.000
<v Speaker 14>mainly Candid Dons and.

606
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:25.720
<v Speaker 15>Leimani to Mooney, have.

607
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.519
<v Speaker 8>You heard anything from the two of them recording their future?

608
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:29.279
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, they both would like to come back.

609
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.119
<v Speaker 6>Uh as of our recent most recent conversations of that

610
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:35.559
<v Speaker 6>again is just like everything is subject to change. But uh,

611
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:39.400
<v Speaker 6>Levanni has been rehabbing and and uh doing very well

612
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:41.720
<v Speaker 6>and and if he decides to come back, he'll be

613
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.400
<v Speaker 6>ready to roll in January with off season conditioning and

614
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:45.480
<v Speaker 6>and jump right into it.

615
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:46.000
<v Speaker 8>Uh.

616
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:49.559
<v Speaker 6>Cannon's a different story. He was very significant injury and

617
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:54.200
<v Speaker 6>and uh uh doctors you know, I've heard uh some

618
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.799
<v Speaker 6>opinions that uh maybe all the way up until fall

619
00:28:57.880 --> 00:28:59.880
<v Speaker 6>camp before he'd be ready to try, and maybe no,

620
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:02.319
<v Speaker 6>not even quite at the beginning of fall camps. So

621
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.200
<v Speaker 6>that's a lot more extensive and a lot more to

622
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 6>it than Levannie, but they both have indicated that they

623
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.279
<v Speaker 6>would love to come back to for another year, at

624
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.880
<v Speaker 6>least as of our last conversation, which has been been

625
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:14.319
<v Speaker 6>a while with those two guys.

626
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:18.519
<v Speaker 15>Following up on sort of the the change in in

627
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.200
<v Speaker 15>college of football, it seems like you have a lot

628
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:23.240
<v Speaker 15>of buying still on the defensive side of the ball,

629
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:25.640
<v Speaker 15>and that's probably in credit to Morgan skying that staff

630
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:31.519
<v Speaker 15>and the personable you know, personalities. How much more important

631
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:35.920
<v Speaker 15>is it for your culture to the way you build

632
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:38.519
<v Speaker 15>your culture to come from coaches rather than players just

633
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:42.160
<v Speaker 15>given them kind of the the way that the players have.

634
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:43.039
<v Speaker 7>That pretty leave.

635
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we do have good, uh culture in buying on deep,

636
00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:47.519
<v Speaker 6>but I feel like we have it on all as well.

637
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:49.279
<v Speaker 7>I don't think there's a a division there.

638
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.960
<v Speaker 6>I think that, uh, we we're in pretty good shape

639
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.000
<v Speaker 6>overall in that regard. But the coaches, you know, it's

640
00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:03.960
<v Speaker 6>constant teaching, just indoctrinating new guys to our culture and

641
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:06.119
<v Speaker 6>how we do things, and and more so than before,

642
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.400
<v Speaker 6>cause like I said, the numbers are what they are.

643
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.440
<v Speaker 6>You don't have eighty percent of your team returning teaching

644
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<v Speaker 6>twenty percent. You got just over half of your team

645
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:16.559
<v Speaker 6>returning teaching just under half of the of the new guys,

646
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:18.279
<v Speaker 6>and so, uh, coaches need.

647
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:19.480
<v Speaker 7>To jump in and be a big part of that.

648
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:23.680
<v Speaker 6>And uh it's more so uh than ever and uh,

649
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<v Speaker 6>I'm sure it'll continue to be.

650
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.960
<v Speaker 7>Exactly that way. That's how it is, Kyle.

651
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<v Speaker 11>The beginning of the season, you said you had more

652
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.000
<v Speaker 11>energy than you think you might have had at any point.

653
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:35.400
<v Speaker 8>In your career.

654
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.960
<v Speaker 11>The way the season has gone, where do you kind

655
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<v Speaker 11>of gauge where your energy's at looking forward? And and

656
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 11>kind of in the belief of your energy, do you

657
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:47.480
<v Speaker 11>feel like if you were to come back next year

658
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.079
<v Speaker 11>that you would still have a chance to maybe go

659
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 11>out on top or or go out on a winning season.

660
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know, like I said, Uh, it's what's best

661
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 6>for the program will be dictated, well, my s my

662
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:04.000
<v Speaker 6>decision will be dictator based on and uh uh you know,

663
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:06.240
<v Speaker 6>to time it just right so you go out at

664
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.440
<v Speaker 6>just the right time. I mean that they're very very

665
00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:11.680
<v Speaker 6>small percentage of of people we are ever able to

666
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.079
<v Speaker 6>do that. And so again I'm not I'm not saying, well,

667
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.480
<v Speaker 6>this was a bad year, so for me, I gotta

668
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:18.559
<v Speaker 6>come back and have a better year.

669
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:19.640
<v Speaker 7>I mean everyone wants to have a.

670
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:21.359
<v Speaker 6>Better year and next year, regardless of who the coach

671
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:24.440
<v Speaker 6>is and and uh, like I said, it's just a

672
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:30.440
<v Speaker 6>a an evaluation process from me and my family to decide, uh,

673
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.039
<v Speaker 6>you know what's best and and uh again, I just

674
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:38.599
<v Speaker 6>continue to emphasise put the program first, and whatever the program,

675
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:40.880
<v Speaker 6>you know what, what puts the program in the best situation,

676
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:43.400
<v Speaker 6>that's the decision I'll make. As far as energy, I

677
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.519
<v Speaker 6>feel great. I mean I don't have any That's all

678
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:47.000
<v Speaker 6>I can beat down. The season has been a beat

679
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:50.279
<v Speaker 6>down mentally, but uh physically and and uh just day

680
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.359
<v Speaker 6>to day, I got plenty of plenty of gas left

681
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 6>in the tank, right.

682
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.920
<v Speaker 7>Could you always value uh those extra practices?

683
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:57.240
<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

684
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:57.960
<v Speaker 8>For a bowl?

685
00:31:57.960 --> 00:31:59.880
<v Speaker 7>Again, how much is therespeking for the other guys?

686
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:04.680
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's a it's a downer, uh, particularly for the

687
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:06.599
<v Speaker 6>younger guys, but not as much as before cause we'll

688
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:08.720
<v Speaker 6>have half a new team next year and so they

689
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:11.160
<v Speaker 6>won't be here anyway to benefit from those practices. So

690
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:15.119
<v Speaker 6>it's nowhere near as uh impactful or beneficial as it

691
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.200
<v Speaker 6>has been, but it still is. I don't wanna downplay

692
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.240
<v Speaker 6>it because it's it's better than you know that half

693
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:24.119
<v Speaker 6>your guys get get more opportunity than and uh, you know,

694
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:26.799
<v Speaker 6>we think outgoing seniors it might even be more than half,

695
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.920
<v Speaker 6>but but uh or less than half that would benefit

696
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.640
<v Speaker 6>but but uh, we don't have it, so you know,

697
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.200
<v Speaker 6>there's nothing we can do about that, and just kind

698
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.279
<v Speaker 6>of you know, jump into the uh off season strength

699
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 6>program sooner because of no bowl game and and uh

700
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:44.599
<v Speaker 6>you know, and pretty soon I believe you won't have

701
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:46.359
<v Speaker 6>spring ball either. I think that's gonna be a thing

702
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.359
<v Speaker 6>in the past within not too long of a timeframe.

703
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.759
<v Speaker 6>And so but that'll be our next opportunity to uh

704
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 6>to work them on the field.

705
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:55.480
<v Speaker 7>Did you say that? Was it?

706
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:57.119
<v Speaker 8>Dang?

707
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 7>Dang? Okay, all right, guys, thank you.

708
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Richard Smith and doctor Chris Hill live in studio, former

709
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>athletic director at the University of Utah. So we'll do

710
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.599
<v Speaker 2>a little jazz basketball coming up at about four o'clock.

711
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:14.240
<v Speaker 1>From right now.

712
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:18.519
<v Speaker 2>Now, keep in mind tonight is the Craig Smith Coaches Show,

713
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:23.160
<v Speaker 2>and then after you hear from Ryles and Craig, we

714
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:27.920
<v Speaker 2>will send you over to Monday Night Football, which should

715
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Speaker 2>be a good one. It's the hardball bull So stay

716
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 2>tuned for that. We are your home of the NFL

717
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:35.599
<v Speaker 2>in this conference, or excuse me, in this market.

718
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.039
<v Speaker 1>We are efforting. Steve Young coming up here in just

719
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:39.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

720
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.759
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna bring in Tom Haberstrow as well to do

721
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:43.519
<v Speaker 2>a little NBA.

722
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:45.599
<v Speaker 1>The Utah Jazz got a good win.

723
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.720
<v Speaker 2>They're playing a little bit better offensively, they've been a

724
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:50.559
<v Speaker 2>lot better. We're gonna bring in Tom to kind of

725
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.519
<v Speaker 2>unpack some reasons as to why the Jazz played the

726
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Spurs again tomorrow. Am I the only one that's like,

727
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:57.880
<v Speaker 2>how many times did the Jazz played the Spurs? Seems

728
00:33:57.880 --> 00:33:59.960
<v Speaker 2>like every time they have a game, it's against the Spur.

729
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:03.759
<v Speaker 2>But the NBA Cup has thrown a little bit of

730
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.720
<v Speaker 2>a ranch in those plans. So Jazz got a good

731
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.239
<v Speaker 2>win against the Knicks on Saturday here in Salt Lake.

732
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:10.760
<v Speaker 2>He may have been the best game I've seen them

733
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:12.840
<v Speaker 2>play all year. They're four and twelve, they're two and

734
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:14.880
<v Speaker 2>five at home, They're no longer last in the West.

735
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I have to wonder ultimately what this season is going

736
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.280
<v Speaker 2>to look like. So we'll get to some Jazz hoops

737
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.599
<v Speaker 2>coming up in just a little bit. But excited for

738
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.519
<v Speaker 2>This does not happen often because he's very busy. I

739
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.119
<v Speaker 2>had a chance to go play in his charity golf tournament.

740
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.159
<v Speaker 2>It was a first class event, one of the best

741
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.199
<v Speaker 2>to ever do it, both in college and pro football.

742
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Steve Young kind enough to join us on a Monday. Steve,

743
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Happy Monday, sir.

744
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:37.800
<v Speaker 1>How are you you two?

745
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:39.639
<v Speaker 8>Spence great to have you last week. And your brother

746
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 8>Nate and Roan is a r h O. And you

747
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:46.320
<v Speaker 8>got to get that out there because he's built a

748
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.679
<v Speaker 8>business that's amazing. It's I don't wear the suits all

749
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 8>stretch so for church that's all I wear. I don't

750
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.440
<v Speaker 8>wear anything else. Never again will I wear anything other

751
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:56.599
<v Speaker 8>than stretch suits. Man, I'm not missing around.

752
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:57.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you.

753
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm currently wearing round. I wear it every single day.

754
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.199
<v Speaker 2>And I'm certainly proud of my little brother man. He's

755
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 2>he's certainly built a great company. Unfortunately, Steve, he doesn't

756
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:06.559
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of time to play golf, as you

757
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:07.599
<v Speaker 2>saw from the scorecard.

758
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and that's okay, none of us do so fine.

759
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.199
<v Speaker 8>It's fun. Yeah, it's good to be together. Good Danny

760
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 8>Ings came down and I love you know. Danny was

761
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.599
<v Speaker 8>the one that I watched when I was a freshman,

762
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.679
<v Speaker 8>just killing it at BYU and gave me the idea

763
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 8>that you could be great at something. And I remember

764
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:27.039
<v Speaker 8>I was the equipment manager. Fret Floyd Johnson at the

765
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.440
<v Speaker 8>time had me come in and do the visiting team towels,

766
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:33.239
<v Speaker 8>so that after the game, I and during the game

767
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.400
<v Speaker 8>I would give them towels and then I would clean

768
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.599
<v Speaker 8>up the you know kind of the shower and everything.

769
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 8>After that, those guys left on the bus and that

770
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:41.760
<v Speaker 8>was my job. And I got to sit on the

771
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:45.280
<v Speaker 8>visiting bench to watch Danny Ainge in that team in

772
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:48.119
<v Speaker 8>nineteen eighty dominate. And so anyway, he came down and

773
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 8>joined me for the tournament last week, as you saw,

774
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:51.159
<v Speaker 8>and I love seeing him.

775
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.159
<v Speaker 2>And I remember playing basketball on lacrosse against your little brother.

776
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't seen Jimmy in a long time. So it

777
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.239
<v Speaker 2>was just great to be with everybody. And I can't

778
00:35:58.239 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 2>thank you enough for having us out, Steve.

779
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:00.639
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it.

780
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.199
<v Speaker 8>By the way, Jimbo, Jimbo played lacrosse. He was he

781
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.760
<v Speaker 8>loved player defense, a long stick, and I go, Jimbo,

782
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 8>what if lacrosse it looks like to me? You just

783
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 8>hack at people, Just take the stick and just wrap.

784
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:13.400
<v Speaker 8>What kind of game is this?

785
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Man?

786
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:14.760
<v Speaker 8>It was fun to watch that.

787
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:15.239
<v Speaker 7>That was great.

788
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, most defensive players that's all they do is hacket people.

789
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:18.639
<v Speaker 1>You would have been a.

790
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:22.239
<v Speaker 8>Great lacrosse player, Hey, Spence's like anyone in defense on look,

791
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.440
<v Speaker 8>defense is all about just leon want to screw you

792
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:27.320
<v Speaker 8>up saving football, you know, I mean, how can you

793
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:30.199
<v Speaker 8>play defensive football? What's my job? Just to screw everything up?

794
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:31.719
<v Speaker 8>I just want to screw up. I just want to

795
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:33.760
<v Speaker 8>I want to mess everything up. Like what kind of

796
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:35.599
<v Speaker 8>world is that to live in? I don't understand it.

797
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I hear you, Steve.

798
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.239
<v Speaker 2>So I want to start with just a Macro overview

799
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:42.639
<v Speaker 2>question about the season, bringing me young his hat after

800
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:44.719
<v Speaker 2>Vegas set the over under at four and a half

801
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 2>and the media picked them to essentially finish last. And

802
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.280
<v Speaker 2>yes they've lost too straight, but if they win on Saturday,

803
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that's a ten win season, which is nothing to shake

804
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:55.400
<v Speaker 2>your head at at all. What do you most attribute

805
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:58.000
<v Speaker 2>what most people believe is a very surprising season from

806
00:36:58.039 --> 00:36:59.199
<v Speaker 2>BYU football this year?

807
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 8>Number One, I think Jay Hills built a defense, especially

808
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:06.880
<v Speaker 8>the first three quarters of the season, and all of

809
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:11.719
<v Speaker 8>us are wondering kind of here at the end, what's

810
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 8>gone you know, not gone wrong, because, like you said,

811
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.480
<v Speaker 8>the expectations, but we just have to let's deal with

812
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.079
<v Speaker 8>the Big twelve championship every year and let's just be

813
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.159
<v Speaker 8>that right. And so if we say to ourselves, how

814
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 8>did we get here? We got here on the first

815
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:28.800
<v Speaker 8>five games on a defense that was not going to

816
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:30.960
<v Speaker 8>let the game get away from us, and because it

817
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:33.199
<v Speaker 8>didn't get away from us. And I really appreciate Jake

818
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:35.480
<v Speaker 8>let Retsloff and his work that he did in the

819
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 8>offseason to change his game. He got better and when

820
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.000
<v Speaker 8>he showed up in the fall, he was a better

821
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 8>player than he was the year before. And I just

822
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 8>admire that because so much of that is the grinding

823
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:49.119
<v Speaker 8>work of the school work of going in the film memorization,

824
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.880
<v Speaker 8>it's the stuff that is boring and tedious, and I

825
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:56.360
<v Speaker 8>appreciated that. So that allowed Jake to come out and

826
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:59.639
<v Speaker 8>learn and have some space in those early games, and

827
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:02.559
<v Speaker 8>they can They didn't. He didn't do anything crazy bad.

828
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:04.760
<v Speaker 8>He just took some time to grow, and the offense

829
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:06.400
<v Speaker 8>grew with him, and all of a sudden, these stars

830
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:11.599
<v Speaker 8>showed up all over the field, uh, and to me,

831
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 8>that's how it happened. And then we just we won

832
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:17.519
<v Speaker 8>some coast ball games and kind of got some momentum.

833
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:20.320
<v Speaker 8>And I think just here when we got to six

834
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:22.800
<v Speaker 8>in the nation and everyone we watched all week at

835
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:27.559
<v Speaker 8>ESPN when when they were doing the show and also

836
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.400
<v Speaker 8>beat while using the top four and getting them by

837
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:32.519
<v Speaker 8>and maybe Ohio State comes to you know, to us,

838
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:34.719
<v Speaker 8>and you know, it just was it was heavy, heady

839
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.639
<v Speaker 8>things that we had not had the privilege of being

840
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 8>around for a long long time. And to be there

841
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.679
<v Speaker 8>and if to taste it was amazing and we got

842
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 8>to get used to it. And I think the last

843
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:49.920
<v Speaker 8>two games particularly are ones that we I don't know

844
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.239
<v Speaker 8>that we were ready ready yet like we have to

845
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.000
<v Speaker 8>we have to well you have to wear the shoes.

846
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:56.000
<v Speaker 8>You got to be in those games and know what's

847
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.719
<v Speaker 8>at stake and know and and you know, deal with

848
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:02.000
<v Speaker 8>the build up and and it's just an emotional sophistication

849
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:04.280
<v Speaker 8>you get over time that we need to just be,

850
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 8>you know, we need to kind of grow into. So

851
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:08.719
<v Speaker 8>that's my kind of sense of the season. I couldn't

852
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.639
<v Speaker 8>be I'm ecstatic at what we got out of the season.

853
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:13.599
<v Speaker 8>There's no question what we can still get out of

854
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.199
<v Speaker 8>the season. But if we're you know, I just pray

855
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:18.239
<v Speaker 8>that we get a shot at the championship because if

856
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:22.400
<v Speaker 8>we can be unleashed again emotionally and kind of stand

857
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:23.639
<v Speaker 8>in the shoes that we were in the middle of

858
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.159
<v Speaker 8>the season, I think, as I said then, when I

859
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.360
<v Speaker 8>remember when Fox came to town for the Arizona game,

860
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.880
<v Speaker 8>we can we can stay with anybody, but we have

861
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:33.519
<v Speaker 8>to we have to we have to, you know, be

862
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:35.679
<v Speaker 8>comfortable in the shoes that we're wearing the time. So

863
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:37.920
<v Speaker 8>I know it's a bad analogy, but you get the idea.

864
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:40.480
<v Speaker 2>No, I get the idea, And I actually wanted to

865
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.599
<v Speaker 2>follow up there because it's different when you are not

866
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 2>expected to do much of anything and you just catch

867
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:49.760
<v Speaker 2>everybody off guard. But ultimately they were at nine to

868
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.239
<v Speaker 2>zero with everything in front of them, the old cliche

869
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.159
<v Speaker 2>that I don't like controlling their own destiny. So what's

870
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.239
<v Speaker 2>the type of mentality and the approach that you have

871
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.320
<v Speaker 2>to take once you go from nobody expected us to

872
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 2>be here too, We're at the top of the mountain

873
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:05.719
<v Speaker 2>and all we need to do is handle our business.

874
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Because they have not been unable to do that. Steve

875
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:10.559
<v Speaker 2>in the past two games, like, what's the change in

876
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:12.400
<v Speaker 2>mindset once you get into that space.

877
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 8>It's human nature when you you know, as I said,

878
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:19.920
<v Speaker 8>we need to start every season with we're going to

879
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:21.880
<v Speaker 8>go to the Big twelve championship and that is it's

880
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.000
<v Speaker 8>make or break, and we're going to recruit that way.

881
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:26.400
<v Speaker 8>We're gonna play that way, we're gonna call we're gonna

882
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:28.440
<v Speaker 8>call defensive offense that way, and that's where we have

883
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.440
<v Speaker 8>to live and we have to have that expectation, the

884
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.800
<v Speaker 8>idea that we thought we'd be four than hour. They're like,

885
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 8>what's amazing. I mean, we thought we'd be fourteenth and

886
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.159
<v Speaker 8>then we'd I'm not much for that, Like we need

887
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:40.760
<v Speaker 8>to have we're going to be in the Big twelve.

888
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:42.880
<v Speaker 8>If we're going to compete, let's go do it. And

889
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 8>I love what basketball has done and what football is

890
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:47.400
<v Speaker 8>going to do and what is what they're doing today.

891
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:49.760
<v Speaker 8>So in the last couple of games you could tell

892
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.519
<v Speaker 8>that emotionally again I felt it. It was funny, like

893
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.800
<v Speaker 8>you know, as you're watching again watching ESPN and you're

894
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:59.400
<v Speaker 8>watching the the they described you know, the playoffs, who

895
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 8>who's seed and what it was going to be and

896
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:05.880
<v Speaker 8>it's just really really heavy stuff. And so I think

897
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:08.320
<v Speaker 8>when you're not used to it, which how can you

898
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:11.400
<v Speaker 8>be used to it? We've never been there, and even

899
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.400
<v Speaker 8>when we won the national championship in nineteen eighty four,

900
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:17.000
<v Speaker 8>it wasn't the same kind of situation, and so this

901
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 8>is just a we're in a new spot and it's

902
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.280
<v Speaker 8>really cool, it's fun, it's like exciting. But human nature

903
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:24.960
<v Speaker 8>is when you get those huge expectations you're not used

904
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.519
<v Speaker 8>to it, you tend to retract, you know, you tend

905
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:34.440
<v Speaker 8>to to you know, kind of be careful and because

906
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:35.559
<v Speaker 8>you don't want to lose it, you know, like, oh

907
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:37.960
<v Speaker 8>my gosh, I have a shot here. This is amazing.

908
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.360
<v Speaker 8>Let's not blow it. And it's just natural when you're

909
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:41.800
<v Speaker 8>not when you haven't done it very much, that you

910
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:44.559
<v Speaker 8>don't get as you're as expansive as you were when

911
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:46.400
<v Speaker 8>you're inhabiting to lose, and all of a sudden you

912
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.199
<v Speaker 8>have lots to lose and it gets hard. And so

913
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:51.440
<v Speaker 8>the way I would get through it, which is a

914
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.800
<v Speaker 8>hope in what I was hoping for last week, is

915
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:55.840
<v Speaker 8>that after getting you know, kicked in the teeth in

916
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:59.119
<v Speaker 8>Canada at home against Kansas that we would say, Okay,

917
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.719
<v Speaker 8>enough of that, let's fake it till we make it,

918
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:04.199
<v Speaker 8>Like let's just we're not gonna do it this way,

919
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.599
<v Speaker 8>let's let it rip. And I think in the second

920
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.760
<v Speaker 8>half last week we did and we almost pulled it off,

921
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:14.039
<v Speaker 8>but because we started slow, and I guess we have

922
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.840
<v Speaker 8>to have to go through it, or you know, the

923
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:18.480
<v Speaker 8>school has to go through it, fans have to go

924
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:20.559
<v Speaker 8>through it, the coaches have to go through it, the

925
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.199
<v Speaker 8>players especially have to go through and so we'll build

926
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.960
<v Speaker 8>those muscles. And that's what the season is amazing about.

927
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.360
<v Speaker 8>But I don't want any right now. I don't want

928
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.840
<v Speaker 8>any talk about, oh, what a great well, it doesn't

929
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.039
<v Speaker 8>matter we had a great season. Oh Like, no, we

930
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:39.000
<v Speaker 8>are here, own it. Jump in like, don't give an inch,

931
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 8>and like we just pray that somebody lose this week

932
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:44.000
<v Speaker 8>so we can get to that championship game and and

933
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.159
<v Speaker 8>build the muscles that we're gonna need for the next

934
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:48.440
<v Speaker 8>twenty five years. Like this is not going away. We

935
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:51.159
<v Speaker 8>don't want it to go away. And so I just

936
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:56.079
<v Speaker 8>can't stand when we settle when things have gone so well, like, no,

937
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.199
<v Speaker 8>this is how we got this is us every year,

938
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:02.039
<v Speaker 8>So nothing, nothing, but so I just I want to

939
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:03.880
<v Speaker 8>make sure that people kind of hold on.

940
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 2>That one of the best to ever do with Steve

941
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Young is our guest. On a Monday, Stevie referenced the

942
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:11.239
<v Speaker 2>improved play of Jake and I want to dig into

943
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.079
<v Speaker 2>it because I love talking to quarterbacks about other quarterbacks.

944
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.880
<v Speaker 2>And last year zero to four as a starter and

945
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.519
<v Speaker 2>just way too many mistakes, and unfortunately that interception down

946
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.679
<v Speaker 2>the stretch against ASU was costly. But he's been so

947
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:25.920
<v Speaker 2>much better than he was a year ago, and I

948
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 2>think so much better than most.

949
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:28.440
<v Speaker 1>People thought he could be.

950
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Probably people even down there, what do you attribute most

951
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.480
<v Speaker 2>his overall improvement to and how good can he be

952
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:36.960
<v Speaker 2>moving forward next season?

953
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.679
<v Speaker 8>One of his best qualities is I called him a swashbuckler.

954
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:42.800
<v Speaker 8>You know, it's like the I'm not sure what that

955
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:44.840
<v Speaker 8>actually means, but in the image of my mind is

956
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:46.679
<v Speaker 8>somebody who gets back and it's going to at the

957
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:48.840
<v Speaker 8>ball's coming out, and it's going to be aggressive and

958
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.079
<v Speaker 8>and so I like that about him. But the problem

959
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 8>is it was unreally and wild and reckless. And so

960
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:58.800
<v Speaker 8>the only way to take what is a good quality

961
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:02.320
<v Speaker 8>and hone it so that it becomes something profitable is

962
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.760
<v Speaker 8>to own the data you have to Your brain has

963
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:08.920
<v Speaker 8>to be able to have reflexive recall of coverage and

964
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 8>and and have instinct instinctive sense of when safeties are rotated,

965
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:17.199
<v Speaker 8>where does that mean? I'm where's when weaknesses? Where are

966
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:20.280
<v Speaker 8>people going to be? That's the one thing about defensive football,

967
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.880
<v Speaker 8>as sooner or later they'll tell you what's happening. But

968
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:24.400
<v Speaker 8>if you've got to pay attention the you have to

969
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:25.639
<v Speaker 8>be able to own the data to get there. You

970
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:26.880
<v Speaker 8>have to be able to come out of the huddle

971
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.719
<v Speaker 8>not be thinking about the play, not be thinking about

972
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.320
<v Speaker 8>motion that should be instinctive, not thinking about blitz, not

973
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:35.920
<v Speaker 8>thinking about you know, you know, tendency. It's like I

974
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.199
<v Speaker 8>got all that, it's in my mind. It's reflective. Now

975
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:41.119
<v Speaker 8>I can really just hone in on safeties, follow them,

976
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:43.159
<v Speaker 8>and that'll tell me the truth of what this defense

977
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.559
<v Speaker 8>is doing. And then I'm not throwing it into people's chest.

978
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.480
<v Speaker 8>I have I'm ahead of it. So even when there's little,

979
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.440
<v Speaker 8>you know, little nuanced things that happen where receivers adjust

980
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.719
<v Speaker 8>or whether I have to move in the pocket, your

981
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:59.039
<v Speaker 8>brain is now processing something that you can actually it's

982
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.559
<v Speaker 8>not wild. It's like set and that's where every quarterback's

983
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:04.840
<v Speaker 8>trying to get. And so that's why Meyer Jake's work

984
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.320
<v Speaker 8>to really start to hone that in is He's there

985
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:11.039
<v Speaker 8>all the way obviously not, but I want to tell

986
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:13.760
<v Speaker 8>him that I know how hard that was, and he

987
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.360
<v Speaker 8>has gotten significantly better, and I hope this week that

988
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.360
<v Speaker 8>he is. I know you got to school, and no,

989
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:19.760
<v Speaker 8>you don't have to go to school this week, do you.

990
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:23.480
<v Speaker 8>So he should be studying eight hours a day to

991
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 8>try to make sure that he has that reflective recall,

992
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.079
<v Speaker 8>so that against Houston everything, I'm ahead of the data.

993
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.599
<v Speaker 8>There's nothing that happens that shocks me. I still might

994
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.360
<v Speaker 8>make a choice to take a risk. I still might

995
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:38.519
<v Speaker 8>make you know, someone might knock the ball out of

996
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:40.639
<v Speaker 8>my hand. I still might try to I might make

997
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:44.119
<v Speaker 8>an athletic move that costs me where you know, I

998
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.679
<v Speaker 8>fumble or the ball slips out of my hand. There's

999
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:50.119
<v Speaker 8>things that physically can happen, but my mind will always

1000
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.000
<v Speaker 8>be ahead of every play. And if that's the case,

1001
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:53.400
<v Speaker 8>you're going to play great football.

1002
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:55.800
<v Speaker 1>So I want to ask you a question about Killotti.

1003
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:58.119
<v Speaker 2>When Klotti was up here as the decordinator, we did

1004
00:45:58.119 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>a coach the show every week, and I you know,

1005
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.679
<v Speaker 2>he became, you know, a real fan, not just of

1006
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 2>him as a football coach, but of him as a person.

1007
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how you can not be a fan

1008
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 2>of Kilani. And there was this really cool video going

1009
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:15.519
<v Speaker 2>around social media Steve of Kilani in twenty seventeen after

1010
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:18.639
<v Speaker 2>the East Carolina loss, which was their seventh straight, showing

1011
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:21.679
<v Speaker 2>up to do his coaches show on BYU TV and

1012
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.559
<v Speaker 2>then seeing all of his family, you know, kind of

1013
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:27.000
<v Speaker 2>fill in and the players and their families fill in

1014
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:30.679
<v Speaker 2>to kind of fill the area to show their support

1015
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:32.159
<v Speaker 2>because there was a lot of heat around him, and

1016
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Kilane started crying when he saw the support. And so

1017
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.079
<v Speaker 2>I've always pulled for him because I want him to

1018
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:41.159
<v Speaker 2>stay employed and do well and all of our Utah guys,

1019
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:44.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, a rod, et cetera. What sort of questions

1020
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.039
<v Speaker 2>do you think Kilani has answered as far as the

1021
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 2>way he's been able to figure out this new reality

1022
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.559
<v Speaker 2>of college football with a really solid season no matter

1023
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:52.199
<v Speaker 2>how it ends.

1024
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:58.679
<v Speaker 8>Kilanie's a great He's an inspiration. You want to play

1025
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 8>for him, you want to win for He'll stand there,

1026
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:06.559
<v Speaker 8>He'll take it, you know, he's accountable. He he he,

1027
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:10.159
<v Speaker 8>he's willing to risk it for you, like he makes

1028
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:13.440
<v Speaker 8>you feel like like you know, he's got my back

1029
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:19.199
<v Speaker 8>and and no matter what happens. And and I love

1030
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.840
<v Speaker 8>that about him. And he's you know, he's trying to

1031
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:23.760
<v Speaker 8>kind of channel de Vell Edwards in his in his

1032
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.440
<v Speaker 8>heart and he talks about it a lot. And I

1033
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.079
<v Speaker 8>see that. I see the ability to see other people

1034
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:32.159
<v Speaker 8>in their potential and kind of inspire them to be better.

1035
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:35.679
<v Speaker 8>That that's his best quality now. And I think defense,

1036
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:38.119
<v Speaker 8>he has instincts for defense. And I think when he

1037
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:41.599
<v Speaker 8>jumps in and really helps there, it matters. And with Jay,

1038
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:45.480
<v Speaker 8>I think that he's got somebody there that is, you know,

1039
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:49.000
<v Speaker 8>top line recruiter. That's number I mean, it's not normal one,

1040
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:52.039
<v Speaker 8>but j Hill is a number one recruiter. Like he's

1041
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:56.119
<v Speaker 8>very good. And we're getting We're not are requires a

1042
00:47:56.119 --> 00:48:01.079
<v Speaker 8>long answer, but back to Colonney, but we we sometimes

1043
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 8>we can be petty at times, we can be a

1044
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:07.960
<v Speaker 8>little institutionally lazy a little bit where we you know,

1045
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 8>if you don't want to be here, maybe this isn't

1046
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:10.760
<v Speaker 8>the right place for you. We got to, you know,

1047
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:12.760
<v Speaker 8>and I think we're changing we're getting so that we'll

1048
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.639
<v Speaker 8>we'll compete against anything if it will. If we lose

1049
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:17.280
<v Speaker 8>to Georgia, if we lose to Utah, we lose the

1050
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:20.000
<v Speaker 8>USC that's okay. We're we're going to be in the mix,

1051
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:21.840
<v Speaker 8>and we're gonna get in the mix more and more.

1052
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.679
<v Speaker 8>And so j Hill I think is the help that

1053
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.320
<v Speaker 8>Chronic can get on defense. And then a Rod I

1054
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:29.760
<v Speaker 8>think he's got people around him that can go do

1055
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:33.000
<v Speaker 8>those things that to alleviate the stress so that he

1056
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:36.760
<v Speaker 8>doesn't have to do too much. And uh, and I

1057
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:40.039
<v Speaker 8>think on the offensive side, we've got to be better recruiters.

1058
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:42.840
<v Speaker 8>We've got to be able to attract, you know, we have,

1059
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.159
<v Speaker 8>you know, four or five great quarterbacks and then pick

1060
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:49.360
<v Speaker 8>and we've got to, uh, you know, do the do

1061
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:51.159
<v Speaker 8>the outreach. We've got to do the day to day.

1062
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:52.800
<v Speaker 8>We've got to do the blocking and tackling. We've got

1063
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.239
<v Speaker 8>to do the the all the stuff that's gonna help

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00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:58.199
<v Speaker 8>Kilane be able to put the team on the field.

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00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 8>Because everybody in the country, I mean, Lewis Ritick is

1066
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:03.559
<v Speaker 8>a good friend of mine. He does ESPN college games.

1067
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:05.440
<v Speaker 8>I did Monday Night Cayle count Down with him for

1068
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.719
<v Speaker 8>a couple of years. I love Lewis. Lewis is a smart,

1069
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:12.239
<v Speaker 8>dynamic human being, and when he came out to b YU,

1070
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:14.719
<v Speaker 8>he had thought about what BYU is going to be

1071
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:18.920
<v Speaker 8>and he left like inspired, and so much it was

1072
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:22.800
<v Speaker 8>about Kilanie and about Tom's athletic program and the and

1073
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.239
<v Speaker 8>the sense of inclusion that they've built and the way

1074
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:28.119
<v Speaker 8>that Klannie coaches, the way he teaches, and the way

1075
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.760
<v Speaker 8>that he's authentic day to day, and so all of

1076
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:35.079
<v Speaker 8>that is so vital about diversity and all the other issues.

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00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.400
<v Speaker 8>Lewis Ritick left, He's like, man, be what you and

1078
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:41.800
<v Speaker 8>Colanie like, I'm in And I think that that's the

1079
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:44.880
<v Speaker 8>way the country's starting to understand. And that's why he's

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00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:48.119
<v Speaker 8>so important to us. We need Colannie, We need him

1081
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.920
<v Speaker 8>to be all of who he is and uh and

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00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.440
<v Speaker 8>then also look for the help for the things that

1083
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:55.639
<v Speaker 8>he you know, that that that you know he can't

1084
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:58.400
<v Speaker 8>do everything, and so I think he's finding that balance.

1085
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:00.960
<v Speaker 8>And so I love what you said about twenty seventeen.

1086
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:03.800
<v Speaker 8>I'll rally. I mean, if Connie's in trouble, I'm going

1087
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:05.880
<v Speaker 8>to show up. I'll be there, you know what I mean.

1088
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.119
<v Speaker 8>I want to rally around Koloney and that's the kind

1089
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:11.920
<v Speaker 8>of guy he is, and so like you can, my

1090
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:13.880
<v Speaker 8>sense of it is is that we're in the Big twelve.

1091
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.559
<v Speaker 8>Let's act it, let's be it, let's be all about it.

1092
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:18.519
<v Speaker 8>And this is not a this should not be a surprise,

1093
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:21.400
<v Speaker 8>and Clonie's not surprised. Let's go do it every year.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve, before I said you lose, I would be remiss

1095
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:26.159
<v Speaker 2>if I didn't take this opportunity to ask you about

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00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.400
<v Speaker 2>your I don't think i've ever heard you speak on this,

1097
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:32.440
<v Speaker 2>your opinion on what college football has become and what

1098
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:35.199
<v Speaker 2>do you think it will eventually become when the dust

1099
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:39.559
<v Speaker 2>actually finally settles and there's no more chaotic alignment. I mean,

1100
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:41.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously nil transfer portal.

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00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 1>I am for these players getting paid.

1102
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:47.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, ultimately, they have always been the product and

1103
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.239
<v Speaker 2>a business was built on their backs and they didn't

1104
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:51.760
<v Speaker 2>get a piece of it. So I'm fine with it.

1105
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:54.960
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of people aren't necessarily down now. It

1106
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:58.039
<v Speaker 2>hasn't affected ratings, it hasn't affected attendance. But what's the

1107
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Steve Young take on the average angel landscape of college

1108
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:02.800
<v Speaker 2>football and what do you think comes next?

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00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:13.440
<v Speaker 8>Well, look, equity value in sports is just growing exponentially.

1110
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:17.679
<v Speaker 8>It's nuts. The NFL equity values in that's the value

1111
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:20.320
<v Speaker 8>of the of the of the team, like if they

1112
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.199
<v Speaker 8>had if they have stock. Is like, this is the

1113
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.679
<v Speaker 8>value of the team for the San Francisco forty nine ers.

1114
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:29.079
<v Speaker 8>Let's say in two thousand, it was three hundred million dollars,

1115
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.360
<v Speaker 8>four hundred million dollars. In twenty twenty four, it might

1116
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.760
<v Speaker 8>be twelve billion dollars. Like, it's insane. And so college

1117
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:42.039
<v Speaker 8>football has equity value, and that's what everyone's trying to grab, right,

1118
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.920
<v Speaker 8>everyone's trying and the players college kids were trying to

1119
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:49.760
<v Speaker 8>speak to the NCAA for years. Look, it's this money

1120
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:53.159
<v Speaker 8>is just growing exponentially, and we're the ones on the field,

1121
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:55.599
<v Speaker 8>and we're the ones that are like have injuries and

1122
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.719
<v Speaker 8>don't but we're not graduating, we're not we're not insurance,

1123
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.719
<v Speaker 8>and we're like, this is crazy. And so the NCAA

1124
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.000
<v Speaker 8>basically just closed their ears forever and it got burned

1125
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.840
<v Speaker 8>because then it went to the judiciary and and just

1126
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:12.000
<v Speaker 8>juditsuary said, look, these guys, it's not fair. And so

1127
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 8>now it became the Wild West. Now this year, as

1128
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:17.400
<v Speaker 8>you know, Spence coming in twenty five is the twenty

1129
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:20.039
<v Speaker 8>million dollars. It's like there's money that's gonna come now

1130
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.199
<v Speaker 8>from the school. It's going to be a portion of

1131
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.559
<v Speaker 8>the proceeds. It's gonna be revenue sharing, which is smart,

1132
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.559
<v Speaker 8>Like it starts to stabilize what is insane right now

1133
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:30.960
<v Speaker 8>and the NIL and the wild West, and then the

1134
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:33.800
<v Speaker 8>schools are you know some schools are they're in charge

1135
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:35.559
<v Speaker 8>of the NIL when they're not supposed to, and it's

1136
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:39.280
<v Speaker 8>like the whole thing is is such a mess. So

1137
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:43.039
<v Speaker 8>that will bring some stability, and unfortunately that stability will

1138
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:46.920
<v Speaker 8>bring stability to the conference shifts that have happened. Like

1139
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:49.480
<v Speaker 8>there's something like Stanford's going I mean they go play

1140
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.639
<v Speaker 8>you know, Duke and North Carolina State like it's they

1141
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.840
<v Speaker 8>go to Rutgers like it's crazy, Like UCLA going to

1142
00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:58.880
<v Speaker 8>Penn State. Like it doesn't long term, it can't. It's

1143
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:02.360
<v Speaker 8>not sustainable. But for a little while, that revenue sharing

1144
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:06.960
<v Speaker 8>from colleges and from a kind of sharing the equity

1145
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:10.639
<v Speaker 8>value to the players in a form of payments is

1146
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 8>going to stabilize things for a little while, but it's

1147
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:16.599
<v Speaker 8>not it's not over time sustainable. You've got to figure

1148
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.519
<v Speaker 8>that whatever the Pac twelve was will come back at

1149
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:23.280
<v Speaker 8>some point. It just makes too much geographic sense. You've

1150
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.280
<v Speaker 8>got to figure that somehow. But the Big twelve and

1151
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:29.039
<v Speaker 8>the Big ten other than the West Coast teams are set,

1152
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:32.480
<v Speaker 8>I think for some time. That sec set for some time.

1153
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:36.880
<v Speaker 8>And look, there's a good friend of mine's kid who

1154
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.079
<v Speaker 8>was highly recruited and he's getting paid a quarter million

1155
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:40.840
<v Speaker 8>dollars a year as a you know, as a kid

1156
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.320
<v Speaker 8>in college. And so that's the reality now. So that's

1157
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.360
<v Speaker 8>those are that brings with it all kinds of complications

1158
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:51.639
<v Speaker 8>and and and and challenges at a younger age. Well,

1159
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:53.719
<v Speaker 8>it was always a challenge for pro players at twenty

1160
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:56.159
<v Speaker 8>two twenty three being the first ones in your in

1161
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:59.039
<v Speaker 8>your family history to have any kind of wealth. What

1162
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:01.199
<v Speaker 8>does that mean for the family in general? For you?

1163
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:02.239
<v Speaker 8>How do you deal with it?

1164
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:02.679
<v Speaker 1>Now?

1165
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:05.480
<v Speaker 8>You're asking eighteen year olds, sixteen year olds as they pay,

1166
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:08.039
<v Speaker 8>try to pay kids that are still in high school

1167
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:11.719
<v Speaker 8>and go around like signing deals and you know, card deals,

1168
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:14.119
<v Speaker 8>and you know, so you got a kid who's a sophomore,

1169
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:16.760
<v Speaker 8>who's a highly recruited kid, and now he's you know,

1170
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:19.360
<v Speaker 8>he's collecting one hundred thousand dollars a year on hundred

1171
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:22.360
<v Speaker 8>fifty thousand dollars as a fifteen year old, and the

1172
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:24.960
<v Speaker 8>pressure that puts on him the family. These are all

1173
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:27.159
<v Speaker 8>complications that are not going away, and we have no

1174
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:28.199
<v Speaker 8>answer for it right now.

1175
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, Steve, thanks so much for the time and now

1176
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:32.920
<v Speaker 2>busy you are and it was a pleasure seeing you

1177
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:35.239
<v Speaker 2>last week. I really appreciate the invite, so have a

1178
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:36.199
<v Speaker 2>great Thanksgiving.

1179
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:36.880
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1180
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:39.320
<v Speaker 2>All the blessings and love to you and your family,

1181
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:41.400
<v Speaker 2>and you're welcome to come on the show any time.

1182
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Steve, I'll tell you that.

1183
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:44.159
<v Speaker 8>Spets you know. It's like you don't have me a reoffense,

1184
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:45.480
<v Speaker 8>so I got to let it all out once. I

1185
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:48.239
<v Speaker 8>apologize for that. You can tell it's a therapy session

1186
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:50.400
<v Speaker 8>for me because my wife doesn't care, my kids don't care.

1187
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:52.599
<v Speaker 8>I only have one place to tell it. So I

1188
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:55.239
<v Speaker 8>got to tell you everything I feel. Now you have it,

1189
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:56.079
<v Speaker 8>and good luck to you.

1190
00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

1191
00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:58.719
<v Speaker 2>My friend there he is the great Steve Young, one

1192
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:00.559
<v Speaker 2>of the best to ever do it, both in college

1193
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:04.039
<v Speaker 2>and pro football. You can find more information about his

1194
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:07.000
<v Speaker 2>charity at Forever Young dot org. That's who we were

1195
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of supporting last week at his charity golf tournament

1196
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:15.320
<v Speaker 2>in Scottsdale. We got Richard Smith and doctor Chrisill live

1197
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:18.599
<v Speaker 2>in studio coming up during the four o'clock hour of

1198
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the program tonight, so that'll be fun. Special Thanks to

1199
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Steve Young for hopping on the show today. Special thanks

1200
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.000
<v Speaker 2>to our next guest as we go from one goat

1201
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.199
<v Speaker 2>to the next goat for being a little bit adjustable

1202
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:34.280
<v Speaker 2>today and versatile today. Tom habershow for some NBA basketball

1203
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:35.719
<v Speaker 2>on a Monday, Tom, Happy Monday, man.

1204
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:37.280
<v Speaker 1>How are we doing doing great?

1205
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:37.440
<v Speaker 8>Man?

1206
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm good. I'm good. So we'll do a little jazz here.

1207
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:43.159
<v Speaker 2>We're not gonna do We're not gonna do a ton

1208
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:44.800
<v Speaker 2>of jazz because I think we all kind of know

1209
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:46.719
<v Speaker 2>what time it is, we all kind of know what

1210
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:48.920
<v Speaker 2>the deal is. But I'll say this, over the past

1211
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.599
<v Speaker 2>seven or eight games, at least offensively, they don't guard anybody,

1212
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:54.480
<v Speaker 2>they just don't.

1213
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:56.519
<v Speaker 1>But offensively they've been a lot better.

1214
00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:58.519
<v Speaker 2>And I thought that went over the Knicks on Saturday

1215
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:00.960
<v Speaker 2>here in Salt Lake was probably the best game I've

1216
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:03.480
<v Speaker 2>seen him play all year long. But what are your

1217
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:05.960
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on and if you have anything specific about the

1218
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.440
<v Speaker 2>past seven or eight games, Why is the offense look

1219
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:09.079
<v Speaker 2>so much better?

1220
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<v Speaker 13>To think, Well, first of all, marketing helps.

1221
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:18.199
<v Speaker 10>That guy is really good, and.

1222
00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:20.599
<v Speaker 13>Of course really good against the Knicks too. But I

1223
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.559
<v Speaker 13>think another thing that you have to really pay attention

1224
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:27.760
<v Speaker 13>to is the shot selection is very modern NBA. We've

1225
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:32.000
<v Speaker 13>got a head coach and Will Hardy, who is as

1226
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:34.519
<v Speaker 13>astute as it is when it comes to what is

1227
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:38.159
<v Speaker 13>the best way to win in today's NBA. And what

1228
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:41.239
<v Speaker 13>I mean by that is the Utah Jazz are the

1229
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:47.000
<v Speaker 13>leaders in one category offensively that probably is a little

1230
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:48.599
<v Speaker 13>under the radar, but I just wrote about this at

1231
00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 13>Yahoo Sports. There are these things that I'll coin as

1232
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:57.800
<v Speaker 13>shot desert games. These are games in which teams do

1233
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:00.800
<v Speaker 13>not make a single shot in the mid range. They

1234
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:03.280
<v Speaker 13>don't take a single shot, make a single shot, they

1235
00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:06.159
<v Speaker 13>don't score in the mid range. They just abandon it.

1236
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.159
<v Speaker 13>And while it is for us who grew up in

1237
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:12.639
<v Speaker 13>the nineties, it is kind of sad to see how.

1238
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:14.800
<v Speaker 10>The mid range game is dead, but it is the.

1239
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:16.599
<v Speaker 13>Smart way to play, just in the same way that

1240
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:19.760
<v Speaker 13>in baseball the smart way to play is to try

1241
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.519
<v Speaker 13>to hit it over the fence and get walks, and

1242
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.440
<v Speaker 13>it might not be appealing from a product standpoint, it

1243
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:28.639
<v Speaker 13>is what the math tells us to do, and what

1244
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:30.519
<v Speaker 13>the math tells NBA teams to do is what the

1245
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:33.599
<v Speaker 13>Boston Celtics did last season is bomb away from three

1246
00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:37.400
<v Speaker 13>and attack the rim and go for rim attacks.

1247
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.320
<v Speaker 8>And the Jazz lead the.

1248
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:43.719
<v Speaker 13>League in most games in which they don't score from

1249
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:46.000
<v Speaker 13>the mid range. And normally might say that's a bad thing.

1250
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:49.639
<v Speaker 13>Well know, the mid range game is kind of a

1251
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:52.599
<v Speaker 13>dead zone. You don't get fouled, it's a low percentage shot,

1252
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:55.599
<v Speaker 13>and there's only a few players that it makes sense

1253
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:57.800
<v Speaker 13>to be living in the mid range, whether it's Chris

1254
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:03.039
<v Speaker 13>Paul or jamar Derozen Jazz continually do this, and even

1255
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:06.960
<v Speaker 13>you know, in Saturday's game against the Knicks, they scored

1256
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.880
<v Speaker 13>one hundred and twenty one points and only one basket

1257
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:12.840
<v Speaker 13>was in the mid range. And they have more shot

1258
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:16.800
<v Speaker 13>desert games than any other team. It's four to this

1259
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:20.039
<v Speaker 13>point in the season, and this number is exploding league wide.

1260
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.119
<v Speaker 13>You know, we didn't even have a single team a

1261
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:25.559
<v Speaker 13>decade ago with any of these games, and now we're

1262
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:28.519
<v Speaker 13>on pace for about one hundred and fifty desert games

1263
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:31.519
<v Speaker 13>where they don't score from the mid range for the

1264
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:36.440
<v Speaker 13>entire game, and so we're almost double what we're you know,

1265
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:38.320
<v Speaker 13>we're pacing at almost double the rate at what we

1266
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:41.760
<v Speaker 13>normally see over the last couple of years. And there's

1267
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:44.119
<v Speaker 13>a real inflection point we're seeing in the NBA where

1268
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:47.760
<v Speaker 13>team smart offenses, even if they're not being able to

1269
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:50.519
<v Speaker 13>make all the shots from downtown. You know, it's it's

1270
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:53.800
<v Speaker 13>not every night that you see the Jazz shoot. You know,

1271
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:58.440
<v Speaker 13>what was it seventeen nineteen to thirty four, fifty six

1272
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:00.119
<v Speaker 13>percent from downtown.

1273
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:01.360
<v Speaker 10>But this is kind of by.

1274
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:05.719
<v Speaker 13>Design, is that they have made the team buy into this,

1275
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:11.159
<v Speaker 13>you know, threes and rim shots, you know, attacking the

1276
00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:14.840
<v Speaker 13>basket and not worrying so much about the mid range,

1277
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:16.559
<v Speaker 13>try to get to the free throw line, try to

1278
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:20.760
<v Speaker 13>take threes, and so far, I think that shot profile

1279
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:25.280
<v Speaker 13>is really helping them slim the talent gap. And you

1280
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:28.719
<v Speaker 13>saw it on Saturday night, just how how good they

1281
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:31.199
<v Speaker 13>look when the three ball is falling. But it's not

1282
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:33.000
<v Speaker 13>a matter of being lucky. This is a team that

1283
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:36.280
<v Speaker 13>is designed that way and the offense is designed that way,

1284
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:38.719
<v Speaker 13>and I think it's really smart, even if it's a

1285
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:42.000
<v Speaker 13>little sad for us watching and growing up watching Michael Jordan.

1286
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:44.360
<v Speaker 13>This is the way to win in today's NBA, and

1287
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:45.719
<v Speaker 13>they're doing an excellent job of it.

1288
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:48.440
<v Speaker 1>So do you think the league will look?

1289
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Because I read your piece and that's kind of why

1290
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:53.559
<v Speaker 2>I asked you the question to lead you into that

1291
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:55.719
<v Speaker 2>answer so you could explain it to our listeners, because

1292
00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:58.519
<v Speaker 2>you unpacked it better than I could. But the fact

1293
00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:00.679
<v Speaker 2>of the matter is, you know, you and I will

1294
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:04.000
<v Speaker 2>watch NBA basketball, but a lot of people aren't. The

1295
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.840
<v Speaker 2>ratings are suffering. I don't know if it's the product.

1296
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:10.199
<v Speaker 2>I continue to believe until stars show up every single night,

1297
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:12.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, unless we got to say it, unless they're hurt,

1298
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I know.

1299
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:16.079
<v Speaker 1>But you can't argue with the numbers.

1300
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:18.760
<v Speaker 2>And yes, they can throw their P and L statement

1301
01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:20.159
<v Speaker 2>at me and say where's the problem?

1302
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:21.199
<v Speaker 1>I say, Okay, I get it.

1303
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:24.440
<v Speaker 2>But do you think the decline in NBA ratings is

1304
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:27.559
<v Speaker 2>as because nobody wants to just watch a team, you know,

1305
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:30.519
<v Speaker 2>shoot sixty plus threes. Nobody wants to, you know, watch

1306
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:33.079
<v Speaker 2>a three point shooting shooting contest unless it's during All

1307
01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Star weekend, And as numbers tell us, people don't really

1308
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:37.800
<v Speaker 2>like to watch that either. Does the league have a

1309
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:41.239
<v Speaker 2>problem with this style of play that you outline in

1310
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:41.679
<v Speaker 2>your piece.

1311
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Do you think they look to do something about it.

1312
01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.480
<v Speaker 13>I think they're always looking to do something about it.

1313
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:50.800
<v Speaker 13>I mean, this is this is the same league office.

1314
01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:52.679
<v Speaker 8>That introduced the in season.

1315
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:55.920
<v Speaker 13>Tournament, the play in Tournament, as well as the elam

1316
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:58.440
<v Speaker 13>Ending and the All Star, the NBA Draft for the

1317
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:03.039
<v Speaker 13>All Star. They're trying to figure out ways to augment

1318
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:07.920
<v Speaker 13>or gimmick or gamify the season. And I don't think

1319
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.679
<v Speaker 13>that they're you know, the shot selection is off the

1320
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:14.079
<v Speaker 13>table in terms of how do we adjustice to make

1321
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:16.920
<v Speaker 13>it more appealing for the audiences. And I think, you know,

1322
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:19.440
<v Speaker 13>Nick Right, the kind of the reason why I did

1323
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:24.039
<v Speaker 13>that story was Nick Right went on his podcast. You know,

1324
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:25.840
<v Speaker 13>it wasn't on Fox Sports one, but it was on

1325
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:27.719
<v Speaker 13>his podcast that it went viral where he was like,

1326
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.280
<v Speaker 13>the India has as a as an entertainment problem is

1327
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:31.920
<v Speaker 13>that it's not as entertaining as it used to be

1328
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:34.239
<v Speaker 13>and a lot of that is because of all the threes.

1329
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:37.440
<v Speaker 13>And he suggested the idea of making dunks worth three points.

1330
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:38.679
<v Speaker 8>That was one of his proposals.

1331
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:42.719
<v Speaker 13>And I think it gets at something that I think

1332
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:47.480
<v Speaker 13>we do need to consider is should we make the

1333
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:51.960
<v Speaker 13>mid range alive again and make more shot diversity where

1334
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.079
<v Speaker 13>it doesn't feel like it's just threes and rim attacks

1335
01:01:55.119 --> 01:02:01.000
<v Speaker 13>every every time down the floor. My suggestion is this

1336
01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:05.199
<v Speaker 13>two three four system where you shorten the three point

1337
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:09.119
<v Speaker 13>line to about fifteen feet to bring back the mid range,

1338
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:13.679
<v Speaker 13>and then you extend the current three point line to

1339
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.920
<v Speaker 13>a four point line at about thirty five or forty feet.

1340
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:20.599
<v Speaker 13>You make it far enough that it's a real challenge

1341
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:23.239
<v Speaker 13>for NBA players to hit it, so it's not just

1342
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:24.920
<v Speaker 13>gonna be a bunch of dudes pulling up from half

1343
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:29.000
<v Speaker 13>court every time. But you also want players to want

1344
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:30.840
<v Speaker 13>to go to the rim, to want to shoot from

1345
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:33.039
<v Speaker 13>twenty feet and want to shoot from forty feet, if

1346
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:36.079
<v Speaker 13>it makes sense, And so I think that proposal is

1347
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 13>one of my favorites that I've heard. There's also, and

1348
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:43.079
<v Speaker 13>I talk about this in the piece, the idea of

1349
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:46.000
<v Speaker 13>do we get rid of the corner three so that

1350
01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:47.960
<v Speaker 13>you don't have two guys standing in the corners and

1351
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:51.079
<v Speaker 13>then getting a short, shorter shot because the NBA dimensions

1352
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:54.360
<v Speaker 13>make it such that the corner three is about a

1353
01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:57.320
<v Speaker 13>foot shorter than a normal three, and so there's an

1354
01:02:57.320 --> 01:02:57.920
<v Speaker 13>advantage there.

1355
01:02:57.960 --> 01:02:59.599
<v Speaker 10>Get rid of that advantage and you won't see as.

1356
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:03.280
<v Speaker 13>Many three There's another idea that I've heard is capping

1357
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:06.000
<v Speaker 13>the number of three pointers that you make or take

1358
01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:10.320
<v Speaker 13>sorry to about twenty per quarter, So basically you have

1359
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:12.800
<v Speaker 13>like or sorry, twenty per game, so you have basically

1360
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:16.679
<v Speaker 13>twenty three pointers to play around with, and then after

1361
01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:21.000
<v Speaker 13>that any three pointers worth two points. All those ideas

1362
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:24.480
<v Speaker 13>are getting to the same trying to solve the same problem,

1363
01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:27.960
<v Speaker 13>which is it feels like the NBA is all about

1364
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:30.840
<v Speaker 13>threes and all about rim attacks and some of the

1365
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:35.199
<v Speaker 13>creativity and ingenuity and spontaneity of the NBA that might

1366
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.199
<v Speaker 13>have been around in the eighties and nineties that might

1367
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:40.400
<v Speaker 13>be overstated. How you know, the x's and o's were amazing,

1368
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:42.719
<v Speaker 13>and the game was amazing because of this, a lot

1369
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:45.039
<v Speaker 13>of those games were just they were.

1370
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:45.960
<v Speaker 8>It was wrestling, it was.

1371
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:48.199
<v Speaker 13>A different sport. It was not the same thing as

1372
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:50.360
<v Speaker 13>what we're seeing today, and in a bad way. So

1373
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:54.000
<v Speaker 13>I'm not saying that everything was perfect in nineteen ninety five.

1374
01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:54.480
<v Speaker 8>It wasn't.

1375
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:57.039
<v Speaker 13>But the idea of there's too many threes and it

1376
01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:59.880
<v Speaker 13>might be repelling some people from watching the sport. I

1377
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:03.519
<v Speaker 13>understand that viewpoint, but I don't think that making dunks

1378
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:05.559
<v Speaker 13>worth three points is the answer. I think it'll make

1379
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:08.800
<v Speaker 13>more injuries because of you know, it's a violent sport already,

1380
01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:12.039
<v Speaker 13>but making it a dunk worth three points would only

1381
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:14.760
<v Speaker 13>increase the mid air collisions and you'll see chet Homegrins

1382
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:18.239
<v Speaker 13>of the world land horribly and be out because of

1383
01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:21.119
<v Speaker 13>a broken hip. I think that would be more commonplace

1384
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:23.639
<v Speaker 13>in a league with a three point dunk. But I

1385
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:27.639
<v Speaker 13>do think bringing back some shot diversity and bringing back

1386
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:30.119
<v Speaker 13>the mid range in a way that makes sense, I

1387
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.199
<v Speaker 13>think could go a long way to bringing back some

1388
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:35.159
<v Speaker 13>viewers who feel like this game is just make or

1389
01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:37.840
<v Speaker 13>miss from downtown and that's going to dictate everything is

1390
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:41.000
<v Speaker 13>whether my team made threes, And certainly the Utah Jazz

1391
01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:42.960
<v Speaker 13>on Saturday night we're evidence of that is how good

1392
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:45.239
<v Speaker 13>they look when those threes are dropping. But some other

1393
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:47.239
<v Speaker 13>nights it's pretty hard to watch.

1394
01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:51.719
<v Speaker 2>What do you most attribute the lack of solid ratings to,

1395
01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:54.039
<v Speaker 2>tom Maybe it's just this, Maybe it's just this, And

1396
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:57.199
<v Speaker 2>look historically speaking, and it's been a number of years

1397
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:01.199
<v Speaker 2>since pro basketball was even within a ear shot of

1398
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:03.639
<v Speaker 2>Pro football. On this time of year, most everybody that

1399
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:07.079
<v Speaker 2>are sports fans are you know, they're watching football, college

1400
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:10.519
<v Speaker 2>and pro. Sunday Night football is the highest rated television

1401
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:14.840
<v Speaker 2>show in our country, not sporting event television show. So

1402
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:19.119
<v Speaker 2>we will see the numbers improve come you know, February January,

1403
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:22.199
<v Speaker 2>February when bowl seasons behind us, the Super Bowls behind us.

1404
01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:26.599
<v Speaker 2>But it's undeniable that these NBA ratings like the first

1405
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:28.480
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks like whatever. But now we've got to

1406
01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:32.079
<v Speaker 2>sample size. We're approaching Thanksgiving where some of the time

1407
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:34.400
<v Speaker 2>slots are down as much as like thirty forty percent.

1408
01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:36.400
<v Speaker 2>This is not five or six percent. Why do you

1409
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:38.440
<v Speaker 2>think people are watching pro basketball right now?

1410
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:43.320
<v Speaker 8>Well, I think large majority of that slide is due

1411
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:45.360
<v Speaker 8>to the absence of stars.

1412
01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:49.079
<v Speaker 13>And you hit on it in the beginning, and I'll

1413
01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:53.840
<v Speaker 13>just give you this stat. Games missed by Stars is

1414
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:58.039
<v Speaker 13>of fifty two percent compared to last year.

1415
01:05:58.480 --> 01:05:59.639
<v Speaker 8>Fifty two percent.

1416
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:04.199
<v Speaker 13>Through fifteen games of the season, we've had one hundred

1417
01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:06.840
<v Speaker 13>and fifty two injuries. And last year at this point

1418
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:09.960
<v Speaker 13>there was one hundred games lost due to injury. So

1419
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:12.480
<v Speaker 13>last year we had one hundred games lost due to

1420
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:16.119
<v Speaker 13>injury for Stars, and now we're looking at one hundred

1421
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:19.199
<v Speaker 13>and fifty two over that same time period. So what

1422
01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:23.679
<v Speaker 13>we're seeing is, you know, a nice return of stars.

1423
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:28.280
<v Speaker 13>De Jon se Murray, Kevin Durant, Bradley Beale, Chrisafsperzingis. These

1424
01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:31.760
<v Speaker 13>guys are coming back, but a lot of players are not.

1425
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:34.559
<v Speaker 13>That Luka Doncic is out for a week. You have

1426
01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:38.440
<v Speaker 13>Joel Embiid, who knows what's happening with that guy. Kawhi

1427
01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:42.119
<v Speaker 13>Leonard is still out for the season. Chris Middleton we

1428
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:46.599
<v Speaker 13>have no real, real timetable for his return. And we're

1429
01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:52.480
<v Speaker 13>seeing star players miss at extreme rates compared to recent history.

1430
01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:58.079
<v Speaker 13>And I think there's this there's this happy medium between

1431
01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:04.760
<v Speaker 13>being smart and being good business smart, right, Like they're

1432
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:07.480
<v Speaker 13>smart in the medical sense of like, hey, we're holding

1433
01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:10.679
<v Speaker 13>out these players because we don't want to hurt them

1434
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:14.960
<v Speaker 13>for the long run, or we're having preventative treatments so

1435
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.840
<v Speaker 13>that you know, this knee sprain doesn't turn into a

1436
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:21.239
<v Speaker 13>torny acl I get that, but also there has to

1437
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:24.519
<v Speaker 13>be a happy meeting between that and what we're seeing

1438
01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:27.039
<v Speaker 13>now where injuries or games lost due to injury or

1439
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:29.559
<v Speaker 13>absences are up fifty two percent, and.

1440
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:32.360
<v Speaker 10>So you know, it's not good for business.

1441
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.719
<v Speaker 13>To have a Thursday night game without any stars or

1442
01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:38.039
<v Speaker 13>have you know the Clippers playing the Sixers in the

1443
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:42.000
<v Speaker 13>opening week of the season and only Paul George is playing.

1444
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:46.480
<v Speaker 13>You got no Joelle Embiid, no Tyrese Maxi, no Paul George,

1445
01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:49.639
<v Speaker 13>no Kawhi Leonard. And that's not good for the sport,

1446
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:52.079
<v Speaker 13>not just for that night, but also the message it

1447
01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:55.159
<v Speaker 13>sends to potential viewers is, oh, I'm going to watch

1448
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:59.320
<v Speaker 13>this Sixers Clippers game. Wait a minute, those guys aren't playing,

1449
01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:01.880
<v Speaker 13>ah man, Like this is just another game where the

1450
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:05.480
<v Speaker 13>NBA stars aren't playing. That can kind of really poison

1451
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:09.679
<v Speaker 13>the well. And I'm hoping that this avalanche of injuries

1452
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.440
<v Speaker 13>is really coming to an end here because we are

1453
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.840
<v Speaker 13>seeing some players come back this week, which is really

1454
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:18.399
<v Speaker 13>good for the NBA Cup. The NBA Cup is coming up,

1455
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:21.479
<v Speaker 13>and I really hope that we have a full, you know,

1456
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:24.319
<v Speaker 13>roster of star players because this is a star league

1457
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:27.399
<v Speaker 13>and when you know injuries or games lost, dude, injury

1458
01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:30.000
<v Speaker 13>to star players is up fifty two percent. That's about

1459
01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:32.479
<v Speaker 13>as much of an explainer as anything.

1460
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:34.159
<v Speaker 1>Well said, good stuff.

1461
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Let me go back to the Jazz for a moment

1462
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:38.439
<v Speaker 2>and uh just kind of kick the tires with you

1463
01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:42.720
<v Speaker 2>on some potential storylines and topics, you know, this year,

1464
01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:45.640
<v Speaker 2>and they took a big step back with their developmental

1465
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:48.399
<v Speaker 2>program after Taylor broke his leg. Poor kid, because he

1466
01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:50.479
<v Speaker 2>came back in great shape and he's looking pretty good.

1467
01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Marketing cannot be traded. Maybe all I need to say

1468
01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:57.520
<v Speaker 2>to real NBA fans about who the jazz are is

1469
01:08:57.600 --> 01:08:59.760
<v Speaker 2>John Collins might have been. They might be their best player,

1470
01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:02.840
<v Speaker 2>So maybe that's all you need to know. But you know,

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01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:07.199
<v Speaker 2>certainly Danny Ain's justin Zannik open for business at all times.

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01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Do you think any of these Vets are going to

1473
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:11.800
<v Speaker 2>be on the move, because there is part when I

1474
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.800
<v Speaker 2>like watching the Nick game, I'm thinking, all right, Marketing's back,

1475
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, here we go again.

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01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Are they going to start winning a little?

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01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Because Larry's that good and when they're hitting shots like

1478
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:23.640
<v Speaker 2>they were, they have the ability to win some games,

1479
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:25.439
<v Speaker 2>which I very much do not want them to do.

1480
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.039
<v Speaker 2>I've been on that page for two years, as you know, Tom,

1481
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:30.520
<v Speaker 2>So I'm bring on the losing like when they started

1482
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:34.199
<v Speaker 2>losing big, you know, like where it seemed to be

1483
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:36.800
<v Speaker 2>pretty obvious that they were leaning into this development, they

1484
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:39.319
<v Speaker 2>started losing, and I felt better about their direction that

1485
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:42.680
<v Speaker 2>I have in two years. But you think we're gonna

1486
01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:45.199
<v Speaker 2>see Danny and Justin maybe break this down to like

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01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:48.000
<v Speaker 2>if they start winning tom if they go on some run,

1488
01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:50.520
<v Speaker 2>whether they win like twelve of fourteen, which I do

1489
01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:52.520
<v Speaker 2>not believe that they will do, but if they do that,

1490
01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:56.560
<v Speaker 2>will they start breaking this down prior to the February

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01:09:56.600 --> 01:09:57.560
<v Speaker 2>deadline this time?

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01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.279
<v Speaker 13>It's just the perverse incentive structure of the NBA, right,

1493
01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:08.199
<v Speaker 13>is that we're rooting. If you're a Jazz fan, you're conflicted.

1494
01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:10.720
<v Speaker 13>You're rooting for them to lose because that might give

1495
01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:13.000
<v Speaker 13>them the best chance at a star in that market.

1496
01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:16.319
<v Speaker 13>It might be the best route, the best path to

1497
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:20.600
<v Speaker 13>getting a foundational star. But it's also you look at

1498
01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:23.039
<v Speaker 13>the Detroit Pistons, you look at for so long, the

1499
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:26.920
<v Speaker 13>Sacramento Kings, the Minnesota Timberwolves when they got Andrew Wiggins,

1500
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:29.920
<v Speaker 13>and then only saw you all of that mediocrity to

1501
01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:33.199
<v Speaker 13>continue under Andrew Wiggins and Karl Anthony Towns, and it's like,

1502
01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:36.039
<v Speaker 13>we got two number one overall picks and we're still

1503
01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:39.439
<v Speaker 13>not anywhere. Until they moved Andrew Wiggins, and then they

1504
01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:42.760
<v Speaker 13>got Rudy Gobert and of course Anthony Edwards another number

1505
01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:46.520
<v Speaker 13>one overall pick. It's not it's more art than science

1506
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:50.800
<v Speaker 13>how to build a championship team. But the problem is

1507
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:53.960
<v Speaker 13>that the incentives are right there, is you have more

1508
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:56.640
<v Speaker 13>ping pong balls if you are not good, and so

1509
01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:01.159
<v Speaker 13>I think that will be The telling factor is how

1510
01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:03.079
<v Speaker 13>much they got to be in the bottom five. But

1511
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:06.560
<v Speaker 13>it doesn't have to be necessarily the worst team. But

1512
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:09.800
<v Speaker 13>I think if they're going to be record wise, you know,

1513
01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:14.079
<v Speaker 13>on that five to six bottom of five six teams,

1514
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:17.079
<v Speaker 13>I think that'll be enough to you know, give them

1515
01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:20.640
<v Speaker 13>a solid shot at a star in the draft. But

1516
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:23.520
<v Speaker 13>you know, the question is you look at a team

1517
01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:29.880
<v Speaker 13>like the Houston Rockets where they're now as have won

1518
01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:31.760
<v Speaker 13>as many teams, And I wrote about this for a

1519
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:34.680
<v Speaker 13>Tom Deefiner dot com I substack. They're twelve and six

1520
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:36.560
<v Speaker 13>right now, and they've built through the draft.

1521
01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:37.399
<v Speaker 1>You look at.

1522
01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:42.800
<v Speaker 13>Albern Shanghun, Jalen Green, Amen Thompson, Reed, Shepherds glued to

1523
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:44.840
<v Speaker 13>the bench because there's just so many good young players

1524
01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:48.880
<v Speaker 13>on that team. Tari Easton's been fantastic for them. They

1525
01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:52.920
<v Speaker 13>made one signing right there with Fred Van Vliet, and

1526
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:55.159
<v Speaker 13>he's kind of set the tone for the locker room,

1527
01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:58.359
<v Speaker 13>and that is a model for the Utah Jazz is

1528
01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:01.119
<v Speaker 13>like building. It's going to take a few but building

1529
01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:03.439
<v Speaker 13>through the draft and seeing where it gets them.

1530
01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:04.279
<v Speaker 8>But you have to hit.

1531
01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:08.239
<v Speaker 13>And the Houston Rockets the Oklahoma City Thunder, they've built

1532
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:10.640
<v Speaker 13>through the draft in a way that is a nice

1533
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:12.600
<v Speaker 13>model for Houston, but you have to make sure you

1534
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:15.399
<v Speaker 13>nail those picks. And so for the Jazz it's like, yeah,

1535
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:17.600
<v Speaker 13>we can build through the draft, but if we don't

1536
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:21.520
<v Speaker 13>get Cooper Flag in the draft, will this be all

1537
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:21.840
<v Speaker 13>for not?

1538
01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:23.560
<v Speaker 10>And unfortunately the NBA, for.

1539
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:28.319
<v Speaker 13>A small market team, the odds are not great to

1540
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:30.720
<v Speaker 13>begin with, and the odds that might be best if

1541
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:33.279
<v Speaker 13>you build through the draft like okay see and Houston

1542
01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:36.680
<v Speaker 13>has and hope. You can nail those picks and you

1543
01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:38.880
<v Speaker 13>can get an Alpha and Shane Gun. You can get

1544
01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:42.720
<v Speaker 13>a check Holmegrin or a Jalen Williams. But the history

1545
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:45.600
<v Speaker 13>of the NBA shows you know, you need a superstar

1546
01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:47.600
<v Speaker 13>and probably two or three of them in order to

1547
01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:50.439
<v Speaker 13>win a championship. And for Utah, it's just gonna be

1548
01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:53.720
<v Speaker 13>really hard to bring one in without having enough bites

1549
01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:54.960
<v Speaker 13>at the apple at the top.

1550
01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Before I set you loose, because I know you got

1551
01:12:56.920 --> 01:12:58.479
<v Speaker 2>to go, and if you need to go quick, just

1552
01:12:58.479 --> 01:12:59.640
<v Speaker 2>be quick, quick with the answer.

1553
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:00.359
<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing.

1554
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I've never considered anybody to be able to win a

1555
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:07.960
<v Speaker 2>quote triple crown in pro basketball because I simply thought

1556
01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:11.640
<v Speaker 2>it was entirely impossible. And Nikola Jokic is second in

1557
01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:15.560
<v Speaker 2>rebounding right now, he's second in assists. Uh no, excuse me.

1558
01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:18.199
<v Speaker 2>He leads a league in rebounding, he's second in scoring,

1559
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:21.560
<v Speaker 2>and he's second in assists, and he's shooting like forty three.

1560
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:22.359
<v Speaker 1>Percent from three.

1561
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we're numb to it, but he strikes me as

1562
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:27.760
<v Speaker 2>like this virtue also, who's mastered the cello and wants

1563
01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:30.239
<v Speaker 2>to retire and go do something else. What do you

1564
01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:32.840
<v Speaker 2>make of what we could potentially see with Jokicic this year?

1565
01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:37.560
<v Speaker 13>I hate to correct you, but I'm only doing it

1566
01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:39.680
<v Speaker 13>because I love you and because it's even funnier. The

1567
01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:41.720
<v Speaker 13>stat is, Jokic isn't.

1568
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:43.399
<v Speaker 10>Shooting forty three percent from downtown.

1569
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:45.439
<v Speaker 13>He's shooting fifty six.

1570
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I must have had the wrong stat

1571
01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:51.079
<v Speaker 2>That's insane Gez.

1572
01:13:52.439 --> 01:13:57.680
<v Speaker 13>Fifty six percent spends from downtown, and it's you know,

1573
01:13:58.239 --> 01:13:59.720
<v Speaker 13>do you have to qualify it. I'm not so sure

1574
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:03.600
<v Speaker 13>heies right now, just because of the games played from

1575
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:07.560
<v Speaker 13>the three point standpoint, but fifty six percent from downtown

1576
01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:11.239
<v Speaker 13>first and rebounding not quite like you said, not quite

1577
01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:13.479
<v Speaker 13>assists and points right now, but he's right in the

1578
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:17.319
<v Speaker 13>mix of it. I never thought i'd see anything like that,

1579
01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:19.960
<v Speaker 13>But then again, I thought i'd never see Lebron James

1580
01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:22.199
<v Speaker 13>score forty thousand points, and I thought i'd never see

1581
01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:25.239
<v Speaker 13>someone break off for Robertson's triple double record, and then

1582
01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:29.760
<v Speaker 13>basically Russell Blspers did three times. So I can't put

1583
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:30.600
<v Speaker 13>a pass Jokich.

1584
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:31.479
<v Speaker 1>He's a virtuo.

1585
01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:35.279
<v Speaker 13>So he is the best player in the NBA, and

1586
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:36.880
<v Speaker 13>I don't think it's particularly.

1587
01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Close this season.

1588
01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:41.720
<v Speaker 13>I don't know if you'll have the volume or he'll

1589
01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:44.119
<v Speaker 13>continue to shoot that well from downtown.

1590
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:48.039
<v Speaker 10>But it's all things are possible with that guy.

1591
01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:49.239
<v Speaker 8>He is a savant.

1592
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:53.520
<v Speaker 13>He is the chosen one in terms of like basketball skill,

1593
01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:58.640
<v Speaker 13>and he's got incredible hands. He's second in the NBA

1594
01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:02.359
<v Speaker 13>in deflections. We're not even talking about those steals and

1595
01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:05.640
<v Speaker 13>block numbers for Yokich, but he's second in the NBA

1596
01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:08.960
<v Speaker 13>in deflections per game behind Dyson Daniels, which no one

1597
01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:13.239
<v Speaker 13>realizes is that he's just got these ridiculous myths that

1598
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:16.079
<v Speaker 13>not just has the touch but also just the hand

1599
01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:20.560
<v Speaker 13>eye coordinations ridiculous. And so Jokich is incredible. He's my pick,

1600
01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:23.439
<v Speaker 13>easy pick for MVP at this point. And it's certainly

1601
01:15:23.439 --> 01:15:27.159
<v Speaker 13>within the realm of possibility that he could have that

1602
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:30.479
<v Speaker 13>triple crown so to speak, and points, rebounds and assists,

1603
01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:34.760
<v Speaker 13>but also that three point percentages insane, fifty six percent, unbelievable.

1604
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Heading back to the motherland Tommy tomorrow.

1605
01:15:36.640 --> 01:15:40.279
<v Speaker 2>So I'll pay my respects to the great I'm sure

1606
01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Tom Haberstrow statue that's outside of Staples High School at

1607
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:45.960
<v Speaker 2>some point. So have a great Thanksgiving, my friend, Thank

1608
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:46.479
<v Speaker 2>you for the time.

1609
01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:48.680
<v Speaker 10>Okay, you too, And I'll just say this.

1610
01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.560
<v Speaker 13>Charlotte, where I live, they just announced Dave Matthews band

1611
01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:53.720
<v Speaker 13>is going to headline a festival here, so I'm already

1612
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:55.039
<v Speaker 13>trying to get in line for tickets.

1613
01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Stop it, I'm gonna fly out. We'll go to a

1614
01:15:57.159 --> 01:15:58.319
<v Speaker 1>Dave show together. Let's do it.

1615
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:00.520
<v Speaker 8>Dude in there.

1616
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:02.880
<v Speaker 2>It is Tom Haberstrow, the Great Tom Haberstrow, one of

1617
01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:05.680
<v Speaker 2>my favorite NBA guests all of his work. He's very busy.

1618
01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:08.239
<v Speaker 2>He's about to go record a podcast. He does like

1619
01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:11.600
<v Speaker 2>five a week. Tomdefiner dot Com is a substack. He

1620
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:13.720
<v Speaker 2>writes a column for Yahoo Sports, and he's on the

1621
01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Blazers broadcast team. My man has like seven jobs at

1622
01:16:16.920 --> 01:16:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Tom Haberstrow is where you find him all right before

1623
01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:21.520
<v Speaker 2>we catch a break. Welcome in Doug from Farmer and

1624
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Chemist on a Monday afternoon.

1625
01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Doug, Happy Monday, sir.

1626
01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:27.039
<v Speaker 8>How are you good afternoon?

1627
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:28.520
<v Speaker 16>I'm doing great, Happy to be with you.

1628
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, appreciate the time today.

1629
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<v Speaker 2>So what I've utilized You guys introduced me to these

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<v Speaker 2>it has been a game changer because I don't like

1632
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1633
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<v Speaker 1>I've tried them all, and by all of them.

1634
01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:43.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean quite literally all of them, and I'm no

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<v Speaker 2>How can you help people like me that have a

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<v Speaker 16>I think one of the things you identified is the

1639
01:16:54.840 --> 01:17:00.119
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1640
01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:03.840
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1644
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<v Speaker 16>at night and stressing out, and then getting a quality

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to continue the theme of trying to

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<v Speaker 2>help people that might find themselves hooked on some damaging

1649
01:17:27.239 --> 01:17:31.039
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<v Speaker 1>And opioids, where we all know the deal man.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in this horrible spot as a country, but ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>Doggles here about that.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, absolutely, pain is a real thing. We used to

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1657
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<v Speaker 16>press with all the opioid news, so that's a little

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<v Speaker 1>Day, all right, Doug.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure a lot of people feel like we're just

1670
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:34.079
<v Speaker 2>speaking Italian right because they're just not educated. And I

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01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:36.039
<v Speaker 2>wasn't either. In time met you guys, and I was

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01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:37.800
<v Speaker 2>able to ask questions and you were going to help me,

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<v Speaker 2>able to help me kind of walk through exactly what

1674
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<v Speaker 2>this is all about. So for listeners that are curious,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a special deal for them. What's the best

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<v Speaker 2>way for them to get a hold of you?

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<v Speaker 2>Doug, thank you sir for your time. Have a great Thanksgiving.

1686
01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Look forward to chatting with you again soon.

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01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:20.880
<v Speaker 16>Okay, thank you, Happy Thanksgiving to all.

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01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:25.119
<v Speaker 2>This song actually works in a lot of different ways,

1689
01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:28.800
<v Speaker 2>one which will remain off air. But excited on this

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01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:34.159
<v Speaker 2>Monday during Thanksgiving weeks to have Richard Smith live in studio, Smitty,

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01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:35.560
<v Speaker 2>you brought us a special guest.

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01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna let you introduce him. The floor is yours.

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01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, well no, this isn't.

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01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:43.359
<v Speaker 12>This is first of all, I'm I'm I'm merely here

1695
01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:46.680
<v Speaker 12>as the pawn in this in this whole whole charade

1696
01:19:47.119 --> 01:19:48.479
<v Speaker 12>that you've got going on.

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01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:49.800
<v Speaker 1>You know you think it's a charade.

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01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:52.319
<v Speaker 12>Well, well, if you have me, I know, I know,

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01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:54.239
<v Speaker 12>I know that you're down at the bottom of the battle.

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01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:56.039
<v Speaker 12>So I got to try and lift it up. Okay,

1701
01:19:56.119 --> 01:19:59.560
<v Speaker 12>you know, lift up. As you fill the water jug,

1702
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:02.840
<v Speaker 12>the cream rises to the top. So you get you

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01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:05.720
<v Speaker 12>get doctor Chris Hill in the studio so he can

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01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:08.439
<v Speaker 12>bring something that makes sense to the show.

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01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:11.399
<v Speaker 3>You know other than my my blabbering all the time.

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01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:14.199
<v Speaker 1>So, doctor Hill, how are you, sir? Happy Monday? It's smitty.

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01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:15.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's an old expression.

1708
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:18.680
<v Speaker 14>You can bs the baker and get a bun, and

1709
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:19.920
<v Speaker 14>you bs me you get none.

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01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:24.359
<v Speaker 3>All right, that's happened for a long time.

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01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing fine. I'm doing fine.

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01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:28.720
<v Speaker 2>This is gonna be fun. Just three Northeast guys. We'll

1713
01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:30.720
<v Speaker 2>try to stay on track here. But I have a

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01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:33.520
<v Speaker 2>lot that I want to get to. First of all,

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01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:37.279
<v Speaker 2>we're kindred spirits. You enjoy Thanksgiving like I do?

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01:20:37.439 --> 01:20:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:40.319
<v Speaker 14>Oh, I sure do. Yeah, it's my family. My staff

1718
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:44.119
<v Speaker 14>is laughing right now. Notes from now Oh my old staff,

1719
01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:47.119
<v Speaker 14>you know her best stay of here. Oh yeah, I

1720
01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:48.000
<v Speaker 14>drove them all crazy.

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01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:48.399
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so do I so do I All right, Doctor Hill,

1723
01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:52.520
<v Speaker 2>it's been a minute since you and I have been

1724
01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:54.680
<v Speaker 2>able to catch up, and I just can't.

1725
01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:56.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm shaking my head as.

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01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I outline the fact that we're sitting here with seven

1727
01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:02.439
<v Speaker 2>straight Utah fop l's first time since nineteen eighty six,

1728
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:05.000
<v Speaker 2>and they're a nine point five point dog on Friday,

1729
01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.239
<v Speaker 2>which are to be a historic losing streak for Utah football.

1730
01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I get a lot of things wrong. I don't know

1731
01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:12.600
<v Speaker 2>that I've ever been this wrong about something, as far

1732
01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:14.399
<v Speaker 2>as how wrong I've been about this team.

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01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:16.479
<v Speaker 1>How do you unpack this? Well, you're not the only

1734
01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:18.520
<v Speaker 1>one wrong for so you're not the lone ranger.

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01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:21.000
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, we're all on the bandwagon, you know. Now it's

1737
01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:22.840
<v Speaker 14>a fifty seven Chevy the bandwagon.

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01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:23.800
<v Speaker 1>You don't know whenyons on.

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01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:26.960
<v Speaker 14>But it took me so much by surprise, and still

1740
01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:29.359
<v Speaker 14>is taking me by surprise. Yeah, I'm just like wow

1741
01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:32.359
<v Speaker 14>each game and they're just I don't know what they

1742
01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:35.279
<v Speaker 14>would do. I forgot what those days are like. I mean,

1743
01:21:35.319 --> 01:21:38.039
<v Speaker 14>I still have that ears around. But boy, in the

1744
01:21:38.119 --> 01:21:40.399
<v Speaker 14>late eighties and nineties, before you and Smitty were born,

1745
01:21:40.520 --> 01:21:43.720
<v Speaker 14>it was brutal. It was brutal, and so you know

1746
01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:46.359
<v Speaker 14>you'd lose when you get up Sunday morning. That makes

1747
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:47.680
<v Speaker 14>for a long week. Yeah.

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01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>I wonder Smitty how you've because obviously you were part

1749
01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:54.159
<v Speaker 2>of a lot of very successful jazz front offices, but

1750
01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:56.640
<v Speaker 2>there were down years when you were rebuilding and losing

1751
01:21:56.720 --> 01:22:01.159
<v Speaker 2>seeps in. I wonder how you compartment is. We've talked

1752
01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:04.239
<v Speaker 2>about Utah football. They're lofty expectations and what it's like

1753
01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:06.880
<v Speaker 2>for a locker room when the losing piles the way

1754
01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:07.920
<v Speaker 2>it has for Utah football.

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01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:10.239
<v Speaker 12>Well, you know, it's interesting the different spence is. And

1756
01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:14.560
<v Speaker 12>guys would tell me this, who played professional basketball overseas

1757
01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:17.319
<v Speaker 12>in some of the domestic leagues where sometimes they only

1758
01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:20.000
<v Speaker 12>play once a week on the weekends, and they'd say,

1759
01:22:20.359 --> 01:22:22.520
<v Speaker 12>you know, well, you know you play in the in Greece.

1760
01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:24.239
<v Speaker 12>If you only play on a team that plays in

1761
01:22:24.279 --> 01:22:27.880
<v Speaker 12>the in the in the domestic league, you're playing once

1762
01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:30.199
<v Speaker 12>a week. You're playing on Saturday or Sunday. And if

1763
01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:33.239
<v Speaker 12>you lose, then you got to deal all week long

1764
01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:35.800
<v Speaker 12>with all the talking about and everything. You can't get

1765
01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:37.880
<v Speaker 12>back up on the horse till the next week.

1766
01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:38.119
<v Speaker 7>You know.

1767
01:22:38.279 --> 01:22:41.119
<v Speaker 12>In the NBA, you know, sometimes like the Jazz this

1768
01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:44.239
<v Speaker 12>week of going into a schedules starting tomorrow where they

1769
01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:46.000
<v Speaker 12>play four games and six days.

1770
01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:48.920
<v Speaker 3>So whether you win or lose, you gotta go boom boom.

1771
01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:51.399
<v Speaker 12>We got to get onto the next thing, right And

1772
01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:54.279
<v Speaker 12>you know, but in the football, like you know, with

1773
01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:56.319
<v Speaker 12>what the what the U football team is going through

1774
01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:59.520
<v Speaker 12>right now, you know, seven losses in a row, that's

1775
01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:03.760
<v Speaker 12>seven weeks, that's almost two months. That you've had to

1776
01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:07.439
<v Speaker 12>listen to why can't you guys win a game? Why

1777
01:23:07.439 --> 01:23:10.399
<v Speaker 12>couldn't you win the game you just played? What's the

1778
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:12.640
<v Speaker 12>matter with you? And it just I'll tell you what,

1779
01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:16.079
<v Speaker 12>I can only assume you know with those guys that,

1780
01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:19.560
<v Speaker 12>especially when you're used to a winning culture and you're

1781
01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:24.119
<v Speaker 12>used to sustained success like Kyle Winningham has had up

1782
01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:26.800
<v Speaker 12>there for all these years, that you go through something

1783
01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:30.600
<v Speaker 12>like this and it's not just the losses themselves in

1784
01:23:30.640 --> 01:23:33.079
<v Speaker 12>the league and the expectations and all that, but it

1785
01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:37.800
<v Speaker 12>just wears you out emotionally and mentally having to hear

1786
01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:41.640
<v Speaker 12>about it all the time, all the time. And I

1787
01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:44.600
<v Speaker 12>can imagine what those guys are going through, especially now

1788
01:23:44.640 --> 01:23:47.039
<v Speaker 12>in the situation they're in. They don't have a bowl

1789
01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:49.840
<v Speaker 12>game to play for, so they have one game left

1790
01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:53.199
<v Speaker 12>on Friday, which you try and make it into your.

1791
01:23:53.159 --> 01:23:54.680
<v Speaker 3>Thanksgiving Bowl game.

1792
01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:58.479
<v Speaker 12>Let's go guys, Kumbaya and all that stuff. But you know,

1793
01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:02.319
<v Speaker 12>it's hard to get that that reaction from those guys,

1794
01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:06.039
<v Speaker 12>even though they know that on Saturday they come home

1795
01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:08.520
<v Speaker 12>from from Orlando and the season's over.

1796
01:24:08.600 --> 01:24:09.399
<v Speaker 3>It's all done.

1797
01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:12.279
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Hill, you're the man who hired coach with and

1798
01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:14.600
<v Speaker 2>I honestly, and I say it all the time. I

1799
01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:16.840
<v Speaker 2>have a good relationship with Kyle. He's good enough to

1800
01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:18.600
<v Speaker 2>come on the show a few times throughout the year,

1801
01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:21.239
<v Speaker 2>even though they practice in the afternoons. But I don't

1802
01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:23.319
<v Speaker 2>have a pulse on how this has affected him. I

1803
01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:26.920
<v Speaker 2>try to. I watch his pressers. He looks tired. When

1804
01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I had him on the show a couple of months ago,

1805
01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:31.000
<v Speaker 2>we had a few minutes before recording and I said,

1806
01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:32.560
<v Speaker 2>how you doing? He said, this is as hard as

1807
01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:36.279
<v Speaker 2>it's been in a long time. His media last week,

1808
01:24:36.319 --> 01:24:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Hill struck me as a guy that said, no,

1809
01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:41.000
<v Speaker 2>not like this right. But I have no how do

1810
01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:42.520
<v Speaker 2>you think this has affected a guy that you know

1811
01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:44.920
<v Speaker 2>probably better than It's interesting.

1812
01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:47.680
<v Speaker 14>I went to work out at UH where Schmitty and

1813
01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:54.960
<v Speaker 14>I do yoga UH peace with ourselves on night. Okay, yeah, yeah,

1814
01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:56.560
<v Speaker 14>I'm a rainbow amongst the clouds.

1815
01:24:57.319 --> 01:24:57.960
<v Speaker 3>So you know.

1816
01:24:58.079 --> 01:24:59.640
<v Speaker 14>One of the things is I hadn't been in the

1817
01:24:59.680 --> 01:25:02.079
<v Speaker 14>foot A Center from all a bit of three years.

1818
01:25:02.239 --> 01:25:05.039
<v Speaker 14>So I'm working out at Steiner and it was last Tuesday,

1819
01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:08.359
<v Speaker 14>and I thought, you know, sometimes it is eighty I

1820
01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:10.600
<v Speaker 14>just go by and see if Kyle's in his office,

1821
01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:15.560
<v Speaker 14>and just shoot the crap for a while. So the secretary, Oh,

1822
01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:17.279
<v Speaker 14>we'll find him, We'll find him. He want to talk

1823
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:19.439
<v Speaker 14>to you because I think, you know, somebody's not going

1824
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:22.039
<v Speaker 14>to say what's going on. So I walked in. I said,

1825
01:25:22.039 --> 01:25:25.000
<v Speaker 14>are you're breathing? Because I think so? I think so.

1826
01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:27.920
<v Speaker 14>I said, okay, let's just talk about our grandkids. All right,

1827
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:31.319
<v Speaker 14>let's do that there and then the only thing by

1828
01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:34.199
<v Speaker 14>football is the whole quarterback thing. Let's be honest. You know,

1829
01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:36.439
<v Speaker 14>you don't be the guy that touches the ball, isn't

1830
01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:38.840
<v Speaker 14>you know your guy? It's like not having a picture,

1831
01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:42.119
<v Speaker 14>you know. So obviously he was really down. I thought

1832
01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:45.359
<v Speaker 14>he lost some weight, but you know, you can see

1833
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:48.800
<v Speaker 14>the strains there and it's like he's a deer in headlights.

1834
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:51.279
<v Speaker 14>He's you know, this just is weird, you know. And

1835
01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:54.279
<v Speaker 14>I can't imagine, you know, being the idea, you know,

1836
01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:57.800
<v Speaker 14>I people will get, you know, upset. And this is

1837
01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:01.479
<v Speaker 14>Kerns McCarthy. He owned the true Bune and all those families.

1838
01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:03.560
<v Speaker 14>And I used to go to Saint Ambrose and we

1839
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:06.680
<v Speaker 14>lost to Bhyu and this is like nineteen eighty eight.

1840
01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:09.800
<v Speaker 14>I'll never forget it. And he's passing the plate along

1841
01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:12.840
<v Speaker 14>to collect money. I'd rather lose to the Russians than

1842
01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:17.239
<v Speaker 14>by you. And I'm sittner going it just came to church,

1843
01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:19.319
<v Speaker 14>you know that the Lord had give me a break,

1844
01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:21.279
<v Speaker 14>and you know, and people around me are going, what

1845
01:26:21.319 --> 01:26:21.560
<v Speaker 14>the heck?

1846
01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:22.079
<v Speaker 1>So tomorrow?

1847
01:26:22.159 --> 01:26:24.880
<v Speaker 14>Story is, Kyle's really really got to be worn out.

1848
01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:27.640
<v Speaker 14>I just looked on his face, and I think he was.

1849
01:26:27.880 --> 01:26:29.359
<v Speaker 14>He didn't want to rush out of room because we

1850
01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:32.079
<v Speaker 14>weren't talking about football, sure, and I never talked to

1851
01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:34.439
<v Speaker 14>football at him, you know. I always talked about houses,

1852
01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:36.960
<v Speaker 14>you know, how's you managing the team, stuff like that.

1853
01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:40.199
<v Speaker 14>But you know, he looked like he was really really tired.

1854
01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:45.439
<v Speaker 2>Tell me this follow up here, because I truly don't

1855
01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:51.079
<v Speaker 2>know whether or not Kyle's decision to end his time

1856
01:26:51.079 --> 01:26:55.800
<v Speaker 2>as head coach is soon, and I don't know that

1857
01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:58.560
<v Speaker 2>this year matters as far as the context of what

1858
01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:01.039
<v Speaker 2>would be a really big choice for him. But what

1859
01:27:01.079 --> 01:27:02.920
<v Speaker 2>does your gut tell you as far as what you

1860
01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:05.239
<v Speaker 2>know about him? Do you think a season like this

1861
01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:08.479
<v Speaker 2>motivates Kyle to say not like this? Or do you

1862
01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>think he's done enough where it's like one year doesn't matter.

1863
01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:13.560
<v Speaker 2>I had twenty really good years at Utah. I don't

1864
01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:16.439
<v Speaker 2>know everybody that's over sixty. And I faced that too.

1865
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:20.359
<v Speaker 14>Now I'm over seventy, and you know, you get I

1866
01:27:20.439 --> 01:27:22.079
<v Speaker 14>told him, you know, he's what about you? And I said, well,

1867
01:27:22.079 --> 01:27:23.880
<v Speaker 14>I didn't get down a yellow no pad and put

1868
01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:25.520
<v Speaker 14>one thing on the other. And I said, you know,

1869
01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:28.039
<v Speaker 14>nobody can tell you what to do, and you can

1870
01:27:28.079 --> 01:27:30.680
<v Speaker 14>try to we win this year, we lose next year, okay,

1871
01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:32.920
<v Speaker 14>the odsom we win in and blah blah blah blah blah.

1872
01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:35.239
<v Speaker 14>We all know it's a crap shoot. And I said,

1873
01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:38.000
<v Speaker 14>this is pretty simple. But you this is just why

1874
01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:41.079
<v Speaker 14>I sending you buy your home because it just has

1875
01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:44.239
<v Speaker 14>great street field. The biggest investment in your life, the

1876
01:27:44.239 --> 01:27:46.680
<v Speaker 14>biggest decision you make is to marry your wife. Because

1877
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:48.439
<v Speaker 14>it felt good and you loved it. You didn't get

1878
01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:49.840
<v Speaker 14>a yellow no pad. See if she went to the

1879
01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:53.000
<v Speaker 14>Dennis check or teeth and you get your bicycle from

1880
01:27:53.680 --> 01:27:56.399
<v Speaker 14>consumer Report. So I said, you know what, It got

1881
01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:58.880
<v Speaker 14>down to the point for me, it was a gut feeling.

1882
01:27:59.119 --> 01:28:01.359
<v Speaker 14>It wasn't like should I stay in out of the years,

1883
01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:03.560
<v Speaker 14>should I do that? And I wasn't making six million

1884
01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:05.600
<v Speaker 14>dollars a year. I was doing right though, but still

1885
01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:08.479
<v Speaker 14>it's the point where I don't know if you can

1886
01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:11.840
<v Speaker 14>base it on just one thing like that or what

1887
01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:14.159
<v Speaker 14>you're gonna win you're gonna lose. It's so precarious, So

1888
01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:17.800
<v Speaker 14>my advice would sounds simple, but it's your biggest decision

1889
01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:20.520
<v Speaker 14>outside of who you're gonna marry, you know, in the

1890
01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:23.479
<v Speaker 14>career like that, having children and all the family stuff.

1891
01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:26.279
<v Speaker 14>I don't know how you can base it on one

1892
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:29.239
<v Speaker 14>little win or loss. It's for me, it was all

1893
01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:31.840
<v Speaker 14>about how did I feel, what did I want to do?

1894
01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Interesting Smitthia, I can't eloquently tie Kyle to Jerry as

1895
01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:39.560
<v Speaker 2>far as the way Jerry's career ended, because that's a

1896
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:40.359
<v Speaker 2>different outlier.

1897
01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:41.159
<v Speaker 1>That's a different thing.

1898
01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:44.439
<v Speaker 2>It was a moment in time with a player now

1899
01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:46.760
<v Speaker 2>who has admitted that he was a prima donna and

1900
01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:47.880
<v Speaker 2>a selfish ass in.

1901
01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:49.960
<v Speaker 1>His words, not mine.

1902
01:28:50.319 --> 01:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>But I do remember Jerry oftentimes when it came to losing,

1903
01:28:56.039 --> 01:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>internalizing it in a way that probably wasn't very healthy

1904
01:28:58.680 --> 01:29:00.760
<v Speaker 2>because coaches are wired like that. And I think what

1905
01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:04.000
<v Speaker 2>doctor Hill is describing with Kyle has kind of reminded

1906
01:29:04.039 --> 01:29:06.399
<v Speaker 2>me a little bit of every time Jerry would lose

1907
01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:08.840
<v Speaker 2>in fear that he's never going to win another NBA game.

1908
01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Coaches are wired differently, aren't they.

1909
01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:12.479
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and and and you know, I I also think

1910
01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:17.079
<v Speaker 12>that with with the perspective of time and experience, that

1911
01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:20.479
<v Speaker 12>some of those things start to get into a little more.

1912
01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:23.079
<v Speaker 12>You know, your your edges are worn down a little bit.

1913
01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:23.720
<v Speaker 7>You know.

1914
01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:26.680
<v Speaker 12>With with coach Sloan, you know, towards the end, you know,

1915
01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:29.279
<v Speaker 12>he just didn't want to deal with a lot of

1916
01:29:29.319 --> 01:29:32.640
<v Speaker 12>the so called heavy lifting that was involved in trying

1917
01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:35.399
<v Speaker 12>to keep the ship afloat and keep it going in

1918
01:29:35.880 --> 01:29:36.920
<v Speaker 12>the right direction.

1919
01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Even with a pretty decent Yeah, you know.

1920
01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:41.399
<v Speaker 12>We had we had a good team, but uh, you know,

1921
01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:43.960
<v Speaker 12>but but you know with with with uh, you know

1922
01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:48.039
<v Speaker 12>what with Chris is saying about about Kyle. He's been

1923
01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:51.159
<v Speaker 12>there so long, has had such success and has had

1924
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:55.039
<v Speaker 12>a formula and knows what he needs to get done

1925
01:29:55.439 --> 01:29:59.039
<v Speaker 12>to keep that that that train on the track and

1926
01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:02.560
<v Speaker 12>going the right direct. Now in the last several years

1927
01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:05.840
<v Speaker 12>with the NIL stuff and the transfer portal stuff, and

1928
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:08.079
<v Speaker 12>now you have the new you know, Big League with

1929
01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:11.920
<v Speaker 12>the Big twelve or all those kinds of changes, you

1930
01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:13.600
<v Speaker 12>just you know, and then you have a season like

1931
01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:16.960
<v Speaker 12>this where the expectations were out of whack in my opinion,

1932
01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:20.119
<v Speaker 12>you know, back in June and July, where everybody's talking

1933
01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:23.520
<v Speaker 12>about undefeated and getting the CFP and getting to the

1934
01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:27.520
<v Speaker 12>National semifinals and blah blah blah and whatever, and and

1935
01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:31.399
<v Speaker 12>all that stuff goes awry very quickly, and those things

1936
01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:34.439
<v Speaker 12>when you're at this stage of your career, whatever that is.

1937
01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:37.840
<v Speaker 12>For someone who's had that experience like he has had

1938
01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:41.560
<v Speaker 12>to to have to absorb that and have to deal

1939
01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:44.520
<v Speaker 12>with all of that stuff, I'm not sure it would

1940
01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:47.000
<v Speaker 12>be as Chris is saying, you know, a one year

1941
01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:49.720
<v Speaker 12>decision like hying, don't going through this again or whatever.

1942
01:30:50.039 --> 01:30:52.079
<v Speaker 12>I think for me, I would think it would be

1943
01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:55.720
<v Speaker 12>more about do I want to keep trying to do

1944
01:30:55.840 --> 01:30:58.720
<v Speaker 12>this the way that we're we're having to do it now,

1945
01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:03.239
<v Speaker 12>with the way that differently than I did it ten

1946
01:31:03.319 --> 01:31:07.199
<v Speaker 12>years ago, you know, a different approach, a different mindset.

1947
01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:10.319
<v Speaker 12>Do I do I want to do that? Do I

1948
01:31:10.359 --> 01:31:14.640
<v Speaker 12>want to reinvent myself in that regard at this point

1949
01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:18.119
<v Speaker 12>of my career? And you know, and getting slapped in

1950
01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:20.520
<v Speaker 12>the head like you do with a year like this

1951
01:31:20.920 --> 01:31:24.760
<v Speaker 12>doesn't help that process. But but you have to sit

1952
01:31:25.159 --> 01:31:27.199
<v Speaker 12>just just like Chris is saying, you have to sit

1953
01:31:27.239 --> 01:31:29.640
<v Speaker 12>in a dark room, you know, with the lights out,

1954
01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:33.199
<v Speaker 12>by yourself and just go you know, do I Now

1955
01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:35.640
<v Speaker 12>I heard his press conference today where he said, oh,

1956
01:31:35.680 --> 01:31:38.479
<v Speaker 12>I got plenty of gas in the tank. You know,

1957
01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:40.960
<v Speaker 12>I have no problem with that. So I think it's

1958
01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:43.399
<v Speaker 12>just going to be, you know, something like that. I don't,

1959
01:31:43.439 --> 01:31:46.319
<v Speaker 12>but I'll say this, man, I don't like, as an

1960
01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:49.920
<v Speaker 12>outside observer, a guy sitting up in row row twenty five,

1961
01:31:50.079 --> 01:31:52.239
<v Speaker 12>you know, just watching the games and being a fan

1962
01:31:52.319 --> 01:31:56.840
<v Speaker 12>of the game. I don't like the vibe that the

1963
01:31:56.880 --> 01:32:00.479
<v Speaker 12>public in general is giving that, Oh, because he's had

1964
01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:03.000
<v Speaker 12>a bad year, you know, he's got to decide to

1965
01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:05.399
<v Speaker 12>retire and all that kind of stuff because he's lost

1966
01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:07.000
<v Speaker 12>it or he's lost the locker.

1967
01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Room or whatever.

1968
01:32:07.920 --> 01:32:11.800
<v Speaker 12>To me, my opinion, that is so much blogoney that

1969
01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:15.960
<v Speaker 12>it shouldn't even be, you know, be talked about. You know,

1970
01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:20.640
<v Speaker 12>they've had a bad year. Injuries, things haven't gone their way.

1971
01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:25.000
<v Speaker 12>All the breaks they needed they didn't get. That's just

1972
01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:28.800
<v Speaker 12>what happened the last couple of months. And you know,

1973
01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:31.960
<v Speaker 12>you have to take it for what that is. And

1974
01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:35.000
<v Speaker 12>put it in the greater perspective to try and assess

1975
01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:36.640
<v Speaker 12>what you want to do going forward.

1976
01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:39.279
<v Speaker 2>So a lot of good stuff there, and it's Doctor Hill.

1977
01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:43.600
<v Speaker 2>It's an interesting balance, right because Smithy alluded to this,

1978
01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:45.319
<v Speaker 2>and I believe it to be true that Kyle has

1979
01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:46.399
<v Speaker 2>earned the right to go.

1980
01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Out on his terms.

1981
01:32:47.319 --> 01:32:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, that's how I feel, and I believe that that

1982
01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:51.880
<v Speaker 2>is the equity that he has built up in this

1983
01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:56.680
<v Speaker 2>market over two decades. But at what point from an

1984
01:32:56.720 --> 01:33:00.920
<v Speaker 2>administrator's perspective, do you start to get concerned, Like, if

1985
01:33:00.920 --> 01:33:03.399
<v Speaker 2>we're sitting here, the three of us, let's make it

1986
01:33:03.399 --> 01:33:05.760
<v Speaker 2>an annual things Thanksgiving week, you guys are welcome here

1987
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:08.199
<v Speaker 2>for an hour. If we're sitting here next year Thanksgiving

1988
01:33:08.239 --> 01:33:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Week and they're three and seven and Kyle's back, at

1989
01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:16.399
<v Speaker 2>what point, because again, Coach Way to allude to this earlier,

1990
01:33:16.840 --> 01:33:19.640
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to go out at the right time, It's

1991
01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:22.720
<v Speaker 2>almost impossible. But yes, I believe he has earned the

1992
01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:26.800
<v Speaker 2>right to call his shot. But from an administrator's perspective,

1993
01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:29.119
<v Speaker 2>when do you start asking questions.

1994
01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:30.840
<v Speaker 14>When you feel like it, You know, you get to

1995
01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:35.119
<v Speaker 14>the point where I always tell everybody that you evaluate

1996
01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:36.039
<v Speaker 14>people get real.

1997
01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:37.279
<v Speaker 1>You know I got a PhD.

1998
01:33:37.359 --> 01:33:39.560
<v Speaker 14>But I don't use all that stuff sometimes because some

1999
01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:41.720
<v Speaker 14>things are really simple. Like I just talked about it.

2000
01:33:41.840 --> 01:33:45.479
<v Speaker 14>So an employee comes into your office and says they're

2001
01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:49.199
<v Speaker 14>going to resign. Are you dancing on the tabletops or

2002
01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:52.640
<v Speaker 14>are you distraught? If you're dancing on the tabletops, you

2003
01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:54.840
<v Speaker 14>kind of got to go with what your answer is.

2004
01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:58.520
<v Speaker 14>That's not happening, Kyle. You know that's not happening. And

2005
01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:02.600
<v Speaker 14>so it's just really one of those things where it's

2006
01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:05.199
<v Speaker 14>up to him. You know, the world of sports is

2007
01:34:05.239 --> 01:34:08.880
<v Speaker 14>cruel and could change anybody. I was paranout all the

2008
01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:11.199
<v Speaker 14>time and you'd do something wrong and think, oh God.

2009
01:34:11.239 --> 01:34:15.279
<v Speaker 14>But like coaches, Jerry Sloan was the king of he

2010
01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:17.960
<v Speaker 14>can't leok behind you. You're a fighter pilot. You just

2011
01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:20.279
<v Speaker 14>keep got to going. There's no behind you. And you

2012
01:34:20.319 --> 01:34:24.239
<v Speaker 14>know they're AD's are wired different, but not not quite

2013
01:34:24.239 --> 01:34:28.319
<v Speaker 14>as different as coaches and ads have different ads have

2014
01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:30.560
<v Speaker 14>a couple of sports. So if we were good in basketball,

2015
01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:32.640
<v Speaker 14>bat and football, I could, you know, at least have

2016
01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:36.279
<v Speaker 14>some sense of sanity. But you take guys like Jerry Sloan,

2017
01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:39.000
<v Speaker 14>who are the I mean, I'm a Jerry Sloan Fan

2018
01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:43.520
<v Speaker 14>and Kyle same and they're just tough, smart guys, you know,

2019
01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:47.079
<v Speaker 14>and it's killing them, you know, I mean, you know,

2020
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:49.439
<v Speaker 14>you know how tough both those two guys are.

2021
01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:51.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you wouldn't want to mess with them.

2022
01:34:51.239 --> 01:34:53.680
<v Speaker 14>And you can imagine they go home and you know,

2023
01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:56.039
<v Speaker 14>I used to say, you know, coach goes to sleep

2024
01:34:56.079 --> 01:34:58.079
<v Speaker 14>at four in the morning, the ad goes to sleep

2025
01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:00.560
<v Speaker 14>at one point thirty in the retired guy goes to

2026
01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:01.039
<v Speaker 14>sleep at.

2027
01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:04.439
<v Speaker 1>Eleven after the game. The way it is, and it's

2028
01:35:04.520 --> 01:35:05.199
<v Speaker 1>really hard.

2029
01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:08.640
<v Speaker 14>So you know, I just don't want to do any

2030
01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:12.479
<v Speaker 14>kind of hypothetical what's going to happen because he's earned

2031
01:35:12.479 --> 01:35:13.840
<v Speaker 14>too much respect.

2032
01:35:14.199 --> 01:35:16.319
<v Speaker 2>I agree with you, all right before we catch a break,

2033
01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:19.479
<v Speaker 2>doctor Hill, And if you do not want to talk

2034
01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:21.680
<v Speaker 2>about this, it is well within your right to see

2035
01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:25.199
<v Speaker 2>into that microphone buzz off. I have nothing to say. However,

2036
01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:28.840
<v Speaker 2>when a few friends of mine who listened to the

2037
01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:30.960
<v Speaker 2>program heard me tease that you were going to be

2038
01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:33.560
<v Speaker 2>on the show today, they both sent me the same message,

2039
01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:36.640
<v Speaker 2>and essentially it said, Penny first thoughts about what Mark

2040
01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Harland decided to do after the Utah BYU game, and

2041
01:35:41.119 --> 01:35:44.079
<v Speaker 2>just you know, for contexts. I was down on the sideline,

2042
01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:46.439
<v Speaker 2>so I saw Mark kind of go at the officials

2043
01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:48.199
<v Speaker 2>when the game was still going on, which struck me

2044
01:35:48.239 --> 01:35:50.920
<v Speaker 2>as odd. My experience with Mark is that he's been

2045
01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:52.720
<v Speaker 2>more or less a measured guy that's nice to me.

2046
01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know him well personally. But I'm walking home

2047
01:35:57.039 --> 01:36:00.479
<v Speaker 2>across campus from the stadium after the game and suddenly

2048
01:36:01.119 --> 01:36:03.359
<v Speaker 2>my phone is blown up, like I thought somebody had

2049
01:36:03.359 --> 01:36:05.399
<v Speaker 2>got an accident, Like, what's going on? So I pulled

2050
01:36:05.439 --> 01:36:06.920
<v Speaker 2>my cell phone out and it was all the same.

2051
01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Did you hear what Mark Carlan just said? Did you

2052
01:36:08.319 --> 01:36:10.720
<v Speaker 2>hear what Mark Carlan just said? Somebody sends me the

2053
01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:13.960
<v Speaker 2>link on social I watch it and I went, oh, no,

2054
01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:17.079
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was in a lot of trouble. Rhet

2055
01:36:17.119 --> 01:36:19.520
<v Speaker 2>your Mark Northeast sleeping with the fish as Big twelve

2056
01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:22.760
<v Speaker 2>commissioner Penny for his thoughts when he woke up and

2057
01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:25.319
<v Speaker 2>saw his cell phone by the way, Yeah, so public

2058
01:36:25.399 --> 01:36:28.720
<v Speaker 2>reprimand forty K fine, And I thought Mark. I was

2059
01:36:28.880 --> 01:36:30.760
<v Speaker 2>relieved for him. I thought he was going to be

2060
01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:33.439
<v Speaker 2>in more trouble. So God asked the question her thoughts

2061
01:36:33.439 --> 01:36:33.800
<v Speaker 2>on that.

2062
01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:37.119
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, you know, I was bounding to termine when when

2063
01:36:37.159 --> 01:36:40.279
<v Speaker 14>I left, and still am that any kind of administrative

2064
01:36:40.319 --> 01:36:42.319
<v Speaker 14>things that happened, I'm not going to blink my eyes

2065
01:36:42.359 --> 01:36:42.920
<v Speaker 14>one with the other.

2066
01:36:42.920 --> 01:36:43.119
<v Speaker 7>Fair.

2067
01:36:43.279 --> 01:36:44.680
<v Speaker 14>The last thing I do is I don't want to

2068
01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:48.000
<v Speaker 14>be seen as that old guy that's criticizing what goes

2069
01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:50.319
<v Speaker 14>on or not I can complain about throwing a pass

2070
01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:52.960
<v Speaker 14>the wrong way or something. No, I think for me

2071
01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:55.479
<v Speaker 14>and I appreciate, let me not go into that because

2072
01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:59.079
<v Speaker 14>what I say it's not going to be worthwhile anything.

2073
01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:02.079
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know Mark very well anyway. I haven't

2074
01:37:02.159 --> 01:37:03.399
<v Speaker 1>spent much time with him at all.

2075
01:37:03.479 --> 01:37:05.960
<v Speaker 2>So and what you can comment on is as the

2076
01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:08.640
<v Speaker 2>a d after a hard fought Utah b U Yu

2077
01:37:08.720 --> 01:37:10.640
<v Speaker 2>football game, if you feel like you're on the wrong

2078
01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:13.199
<v Speaker 2>side of certain things, that's that's a different type of

2079
01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:14.359
<v Speaker 2>intense emotion, isn't it.

2080
01:37:14.359 --> 01:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

2081
01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:14.920
<v Speaker 7>It is?

2082
01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:16.840
<v Speaker 14>And you know and and there are times when I

2083
01:37:16.880 --> 01:37:19.680
<v Speaker 14>was in the hallway after game years ago, I don't

2084
01:37:19.880 --> 01:37:23.239
<v Speaker 14>I don't forget it is with Kyle had they he

2085
01:37:23.279 --> 01:37:25.039
<v Speaker 14>didn't call a time out and the referee did and

2086
01:37:25.119 --> 01:37:27.720
<v Speaker 14>costs us essentially the game. And I'm in the tunnel

2087
01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:30.199
<v Speaker 14>and pretty upset and talking to the conference office. But

2088
01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:33.239
<v Speaker 14>in my job. I you know, maybe it started with Rick,

2089
01:37:33.319 --> 01:37:34.880
<v Speaker 14>but I was you know, I didn't want to be

2090
01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:37.800
<v Speaker 14>near the bench ever or during the sideline. But this

2091
01:37:37.920 --> 01:37:40.600
<v Speaker 14>game was over, I'd zoomed to the locker room. Started

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<v Speaker 14>with Rick because I want to get okay, Rick, don't go,

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01:37:42.800 --> 01:37:45.239
<v Speaker 14>don't go. So you know it's almost like that was

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<v Speaker 14>you know, I was, I was moving my feet and

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01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:49.479
<v Speaker 14>trying to pick up a charge, you know, and I

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01:37:49.560 --> 01:37:51.560
<v Speaker 14>kind of got in that habit with everybody. This is

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<v Speaker 14>Abele would help me too, especially football, so I was

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01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:56.680
<v Speaker 14>always at them. I was upset at times whatever, But

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<v Speaker 14>when I got down to the locker room, I kind

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<v Speaker 14>of felt my job was say Liz, what do I

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01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:02.640
<v Speaker 14>need to do? And on to coach freaking out? Was

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01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:05.079
<v Speaker 14>you know, that's kind of my thing. So yeah, that

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01:38:05.159 --> 01:38:06.359
<v Speaker 14>was the way I looked at it. But there were

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<v Speaker 14>times I was obviously upset. Everybody is, and you know,

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01:38:09.359 --> 01:38:11.880
<v Speaker 14>you just got to just ride to what your own

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<v Speaker 14>personality is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, we'll catch a quick break. Richard Smith, doctor

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01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Christill Live in studio. Got one more big segment coming

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<v Speaker 2>up next. We'll launch it at the five o'clock hour

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01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:23.479
<v Speaker 2>after that. Don't forget the Craig Smith Coaches shows tonight

2111
01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:26.359
<v Speaker 2>at six, and then after that it's Monday Night football

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<v Speaker 2>the Harball Bowl with the Ravens and the Chargers. So

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<v Speaker 2>keep it here on the ESPN seven hundred. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got doctor Priscill, former ad up on the Hill,

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<v Speaker 2>no pun intended there, live in studio. Richard Smith forty

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01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:42.199
<v Speaker 2>years with the Jazz Front Office, live in studio as well,

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01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:45.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of intellectual brain power and great experience in

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<v Speaker 2>this in this little radio studio. So I appreciate your

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<v Speaker 2>time here. Okay, No, what what?

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<v Speaker 8>What?

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01:38:51.119 --> 01:38:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Forty years in the league? Doctor? How long were you

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01:38:53.239 --> 01:38:56.720
<v Speaker 1>an administrator in college? Forget? No, thirty one years is

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01:38:56.720 --> 01:38:57.039
<v Speaker 1>the ad?

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01:38:57.239 --> 01:39:01.399
<v Speaker 2>So a combined seventy one years of life experience in sports, Smitty,

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01:39:01.479 --> 01:39:02.039
<v Speaker 2>that's not nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to pay you a compliment. Experience doesn't

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01:39:04.359 --> 01:39:07.840
<v Speaker 1>mean intellect. That doesn't mean I was smart for thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one years. Oh you did a pretty good job, doctor.

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<v Speaker 12>Was that the famous John Wooden line, don't mistake activity

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01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:16.600
<v Speaker 12>for achievement.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough? But one more question about coach Witt.

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<v Speaker 2>One more question about Utah football, then we'll move on

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01:39:25.239 --> 01:39:29.279
<v Speaker 2>to some other things. Smitty, referenced coach Sloan deciding, and

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<v Speaker 2>I believe the phrase that Smitty used was he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do the heavy lifting anymore.

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<v Speaker 8>So.

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<v Speaker 2>On the college side of things, we've seen Nick Saban,

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01:39:37.640 --> 01:39:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Tony Bennett, and others powerhouse coaches. Saban, potentially the best

2139
01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:44.840
<v Speaker 2>of all time, walk away from the job that he loves,

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01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:47.640
<v Speaker 2>and now that he's in media, we know he walked

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01:39:47.640 --> 01:39:50.119
<v Speaker 2>away because he doesn't want anything to do with what

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01:39:50.199 --> 01:39:52.640
<v Speaker 2>the sport has become. Do you think there's any part

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01:39:52.640 --> 01:39:54.960
<v Speaker 2>of Kyle that looks at what the sport has become

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<v Speaker 2>and doesn't want to deal with it.

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01:39:55.920 --> 01:39:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, well, you know, random one day he says, we

2147
01:39:58.399 --> 01:40:00.920
<v Speaker 14>can't couldn't give you a hamburger something, you know, eight

2148
01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:04.000
<v Speaker 14>years ago and seriously couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>A bagel or a bagel with cream. Sees like that

2150
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<v Speaker 1>was how silly it was.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, it's interesting because the guys, at least I

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01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:15.600
<v Speaker 14>think it's interesting the guys that have in that age bracket,

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01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:18.640
<v Speaker 14>they kind of grew up as coaches because they wanted

2154
01:40:18.640 --> 01:40:21.680
<v Speaker 14>to coach, and all of a sudden they started making money,

2155
01:40:22.199 --> 01:40:24.840
<v Speaker 14>you know, But they got into coaching because they wanted

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01:40:24.840 --> 01:40:26.680
<v Speaker 14>to tell the defensive attack. You got to do this,

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<v Speaker 14>You got to move here, Scott. You know, I Ohays

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01:40:29.239 --> 01:40:31.119
<v Speaker 14>used to say, there's two kinds of coaches. When you

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01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:33.520
<v Speaker 14>go to some kind of convention. There's the guys in

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<v Speaker 14>the corner talking about they're out of bounce plays or

2161
01:40:36.479 --> 01:40:39.279
<v Speaker 14>they're splits and they're getting in the napkin in there

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<v Speaker 14>se the other guys over there because they used to Cheasevana.

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01:40:42.399 --> 01:40:44.560
<v Speaker 14>He was the first one talking about their contracts with

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<v Speaker 14>TV guid and who they're sponsoring, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think a lot of those guys.

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<v Speaker 14>I think Saban probably was one of those guys as

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01:40:51.199 --> 01:40:53.880
<v Speaker 14>much as he's big now and all this money and everything,

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<v Speaker 14>you know, and it's hard for that. It would be

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01:40:55.960 --> 01:40:57.800
<v Speaker 14>hard for me, it'd be hard for anybody that you

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01:40:57.800 --> 01:41:01.159
<v Speaker 14>couldn't really coach them up. And you know you're you're

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01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:04.680
<v Speaker 14>not in control. Oh coach, I'm sorry, I'm leaving because

2172
01:41:04.760 --> 01:41:07.600
<v Speaker 14>I'm making this much more money there. You know, love

2173
01:41:07.680 --> 01:41:09.359
<v Speaker 14>you care about you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you've gone.

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01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:14.000
<v Speaker 14>And I understand the whole deal. I understand why they

2176
01:41:14.039 --> 01:41:15.800
<v Speaker 14>need to have the portal and all this, but I

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<v Speaker 14>just hope that they get contracts for kids where if

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<v Speaker 14>they leave. At least somebody's got to pay somebody. Yeah,

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01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:23.920
<v Speaker 14>you know there's something. You know, they're pros. They got

2180
01:41:23.960 --> 01:41:26.520
<v Speaker 14>a model. You know what are we shine away from?

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01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:28.479
<v Speaker 14>You know I used to call I call it now

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01:41:29.079 --> 01:41:30.479
<v Speaker 14>uh work study.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 14>They were just like somebody working in cafeteria. Y. They

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01:41:33.760 --> 01:41:35.239
<v Speaker 14>work their employees.

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01:41:35.479 --> 01:41:36.039
<v Speaker 1>It's okay.

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01:41:36.680 --> 01:41:39.159
<v Speaker 14>And they get paid for what they do if they

2188
01:41:39.199 --> 01:41:41.560
<v Speaker 14>do something valuable to get paid. Now that's hard because

2189
01:41:42.079 --> 01:41:45.760
<v Speaker 14>the fourth string tackle isn't really Scholarship is forty thousand

2190
01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:47.439
<v Speaker 14>dollars pretty good for an eighteen year old kid that's

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01:41:47.479 --> 01:41:47.960
<v Speaker 14>not playing.

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01:41:48.119 --> 01:41:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know so anyway, I didn't mean.

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<v Speaker 12>No, no, you just you hit the nail on the head.

2194
01:41:55.479 --> 01:41:59.279
<v Speaker 12>What's happening is that they in college athletics. Now from

2195
01:41:59.319 --> 01:42:02.079
<v Speaker 12>my perspective, is that the genie is out of the bottle,

2196
01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:06.680
<v Speaker 12>and but and nobody knows where it's gonna go, uh

2197
01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:11.319
<v Speaker 12>next week. It's it keeps changing, it keeps evolving, it

2198
01:42:11.399 --> 01:42:15.279
<v Speaker 12>keeps getting more out of hand, more less and less

2199
01:42:15.319 --> 01:42:17.479
<v Speaker 12>able to grab it and to try and figure out

2200
01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:19.439
<v Speaker 12>what to what to do with it is the way

2201
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<v Speaker 12>I see it. I mean, whether it's Nick saban in

2202
01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:26.159
<v Speaker 12>in uh in football, whether it's Jay Wright at Villanova

2203
01:42:26.239 --> 01:42:30.079
<v Speaker 12>in NCAA basketball, h to the most accomplished coaches u

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01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:33.039
<v Speaker 12>you know, in their respective sports, who both had a

2205
01:42:33.079 --> 01:42:36.159
<v Speaker 12>lot still in front of them, and they they both

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01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:40.479
<v Speaker 12>you know, apparently just said forget. I can't I can't

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01:42:40.479 --> 01:42:42.960
<v Speaker 12>do it, you know, and and uh and hey, Randy

2208
01:42:43.039 --> 01:42:45.560
<v Speaker 12>Ray did that up the road at Weber State, great

2209
01:42:45.720 --> 01:42:49.199
<v Speaker 12>great success up there, sixteen years, winning, always in the

2210
01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:52.119
<v Speaker 12>hunt for a conference championship. And at the end and

2211
01:42:52.159 --> 01:42:55.000
<v Speaker 12>near the end of February and you know, and that

2212
01:42:55.119 --> 01:42:57.000
<v Speaker 12>and that thing came to him and he had a

2213
01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:00.000
<v Speaker 12>couple of his players as his last year, came and said, hey,

2214
01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:03.960
<v Speaker 12>an agent has contacted us and wants us to leave

2215
01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:06.720
<v Speaker 12>this week and and uh and all this kind of

2216
01:43:06.880 --> 01:43:08.520
<v Speaker 12>stuff to go overseas and whatever.

2217
01:43:08.720 --> 01:43:10.279
<v Speaker 3>And they know they end up staying.

2218
01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:12.359
<v Speaker 12>But you know, he was saying, well, if that's if

2219
01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:15.159
<v Speaker 12>that's what it's going on, now, like I can't deal

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01:43:15.159 --> 01:43:18.000
<v Speaker 12>with that, you know. And Plus now, like he said

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01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:21.000
<v Speaker 12>to me, if I happen to get another Damian Lillard

2222
01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:24.680
<v Speaker 12>at Weaver State, right, I got him one year and

2223
01:43:24.720 --> 01:43:26.720
<v Speaker 12>then he's he's he's going to u.

2224
01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:27.039
<v Speaker 9>C l A.

2225
01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:29.479
<v Speaker 1>He's going to Kansas him for a year.

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01:43:29.640 --> 01:43:30.960
<v Speaker 3>No, No, that's that's that's true.

2227
01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:33.800
<v Speaker 12>Also, you know the way it is now, So yeah,

2228
01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:36.319
<v Speaker 12>it's it's just a whole different thing. And and and

2229
01:43:36.319 --> 01:43:39.319
<v Speaker 12>and Chris is exactly right. The guys who who were

2230
01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:41.840
<v Speaker 12>into it because they love the coaching and the ex's

2231
01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:44.039
<v Speaker 12>and o's and the napkins and on the on the

2232
01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:46.600
<v Speaker 12>coffee table and all that kind of stuff. And and

2233
01:43:46.640 --> 01:43:49.560
<v Speaker 12>now it's a whole different world. And and and why

2234
01:43:49.680 --> 01:43:52.840
<v Speaker 12>guys are getting into it, from what I've seen in

2235
01:43:52.880 --> 01:43:57.159
<v Speaker 12>recent years, is a different rationale for getting into it.

2236
01:43:57.560 --> 01:44:01.960
<v Speaker 12>And it's it's not the same. And it's that roads diverged,

2237
01:44:02.399 --> 01:44:05.800
<v Speaker 12>you know. And as Jogi Bearra said, you know when

2238
01:44:05.840 --> 01:44:07.720
<v Speaker 12>I come to a fork in the road, I take it.

2239
01:44:08.119 --> 01:44:11.159
<v Speaker 12>You know, you know which which way you which way

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01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:11.960
<v Speaker 12>you're taking it.

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01:44:12.079 --> 01:44:14.000
<v Speaker 14>That's it from his book. All I got the book.

2242
01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:15.640
<v Speaker 14>All the things he said, all the things I said,

2243
01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:16.239
<v Speaker 14>I never said.

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01:44:16.520 --> 01:44:16.880
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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01:44:17.039 --> 01:44:19.119
<v Speaker 14>Every one of those stories, every one of those things

2246
01:44:19.159 --> 01:44:21.960
<v Speaker 14>has a little explanation. You know, that place is so crowded,

2247
01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:24.079
<v Speaker 14>everybody goes there anywhere. That's he used They used to

2248
01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:25.720
<v Speaker 14>have to work in the off season. He was a

2249
01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:28.520
<v Speaker 14>mader d yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, it got so crowded,

2250
01:44:28.520 --> 01:44:30.840
<v Speaker 14>a place came so popular, his guys didn't come. Yeah,

2251
01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:33.439
<v Speaker 14>so got so crowded nobody came anymore. And that was

2252
01:44:33.439 --> 01:44:36.920
<v Speaker 14>his explanation. But anyway, yeah, I love it. I do think,

2253
01:44:37.039 --> 01:44:39.039
<v Speaker 14>you know, we can't be whining about it being different

2254
01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:41.399
<v Speaker 14>and all this and that, but it is different. So

2255
01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:44.520
<v Speaker 14>your skills and what you grew up with and how

2256
01:44:44.560 --> 01:44:47.119
<v Speaker 14>you handle this maybe not the job for you anymore.

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01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Different.

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01:44:48.119 --> 01:44:50.520
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and I think that and and and Kyle said

2259
01:44:50.520 --> 01:44:52.199
<v Speaker 12>that today. I think in the press he said some

2260
01:44:52.399 --> 01:44:55.840
<v Speaker 12>version of of Hey, the way it's changed now in

2261
01:44:55.880 --> 01:45:00.439
<v Speaker 12>recent years, you either adapt or or you are you

2262
01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:02.600
<v Speaker 12>you choose option by that.

2263
01:45:02.840 --> 01:45:05.920
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, My problem is is that is that some coach,

2264
01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:10.199
<v Speaker 14>you know, Kyle gets a player, develops them. You know,

2265
01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:14.640
<v Speaker 14>that's our That was what made Kyle's program win in

2266
01:45:14.680 --> 01:45:17.880
<v Speaker 14>those great years. And but now you you know, it's

2267
01:45:18.279 --> 01:45:21.239
<v Speaker 14>it's like you know in basketball, Rick used to take

2268
01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:22.159
<v Speaker 14>the guy out, you know.

2269
01:45:22.159 --> 01:45:22.920
<v Speaker 3>If he didn't hustle.

2270
01:45:23.359 --> 01:45:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Now that Kayle calls his uncle says.

2271
01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:27.399
<v Speaker 14>Hey, I'm supposed to play, It's like who's the guy

2272
01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:33.319
<v Speaker 14>practice he's talking about and the kids going ant he

2273
01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:35.600
<v Speaker 14>he I didn't get back on defense, and you know, Joey,

2274
01:45:35.640 --> 01:45:37.720
<v Speaker 14>I think, you know Texas is gonna take me. So

2275
01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:39.319
<v Speaker 14>it's kind of like, how do you coach him up?

2276
01:45:40.039 --> 01:45:43.039
<v Speaker 14>And in basketball, one of my big concerns is that

2277
01:45:44.039 --> 01:45:46.960
<v Speaker 14>college basketball is dropping. And you'll see Kansas game crowded,

2278
01:45:46.960 --> 01:45:48.840
<v Speaker 14>in this game crowded, but you know the utes aren't

2279
01:45:48.840 --> 01:45:51.359
<v Speaker 14>getting people. But it's not uncommon around the country. I mean,

2280
01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:54.520
<v Speaker 14>b Yu and Utah State do well. But you kind

2281
01:45:54.520 --> 01:45:56.399
<v Speaker 14>of fall in love with kids if you're a fan.

2282
01:45:56.720 --> 01:45:57.960
<v Speaker 14>You know, I've heard there from more people. You know,

2283
01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:00.760
<v Speaker 14>I bought my tickets and I'm watching grow up as

2284
01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:02.079
<v Speaker 14>a sophomore and junior.

2285
01:46:02.119 --> 01:46:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to go back and see him.

2286
01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:06.039
<v Speaker 14>And in basketball it's different because you can see him

2287
01:46:06.079 --> 01:46:08.239
<v Speaker 14>and then reality should go and look and see where

2288
01:46:08.239 --> 01:46:10.880
<v Speaker 14>their family is. See kind of grow up thinking, oh,

2289
01:46:10.920 --> 01:46:13.920
<v Speaker 14>this is my team, these are my guys. Uh, I

2290
01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:16.560
<v Speaker 14>didn't know who's on a team this year. It's a

2291
01:46:16.600 --> 01:46:19.520
<v Speaker 14>little bit like fans. I don't want to be too corny,

2292
01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:21.920
<v Speaker 14>but they kind of fall in love with guys like adrenaline.

2293
01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:24.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, hell for sure, so you can't wait for them.

2294
01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:27.800
<v Speaker 14>He lost some weight stronger this year he can shoot

2295
01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:30.159
<v Speaker 14>better from the outside, beat beat beep.

2296
01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:30.560
<v Speaker 1>All those things.

2297
01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:34.000
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, it's to say, it's a you develop a relationship

2298
01:46:34.239 --> 01:46:35.319
<v Speaker 12>from your perspective.

2299
01:46:35.439 --> 01:46:38.359
<v Speaker 3>You think you know who they are and and something.

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01:46:38.520 --> 01:46:38.680
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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01:46:38.720 --> 01:46:41.279
<v Speaker 12>It's just like running into you know, Tom Hanks at

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01:46:41.279 --> 01:46:43.840
<v Speaker 12>the airport, and you know, you run up to hey Tom,

2303
01:46:43.880 --> 01:46:46.840
<v Speaker 12>you think he's gonna say, hey, hey, Chris.

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01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:47.159
<v Speaker 3>How you doing?

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01:46:47.279 --> 01:46:50.039
<v Speaker 12>You know whatever you know and and uh and and

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01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:53.600
<v Speaker 12>but it's always that that that feeling that you have

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01:46:53.720 --> 01:46:54.079
<v Speaker 12>with them.

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01:46:54.159 --> 01:46:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Now, you know.

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01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:57.920
<v Speaker 12>Jerry Seinfeld was doing a little bit a while ago

2310
01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:00.720
<v Speaker 12>about growing up a Mets fan and all the guys

2311
01:47:00.760 --> 01:47:03.840
<v Speaker 12>he used to root for all their career and stuff,

2312
01:47:03.880 --> 01:47:07.359
<v Speaker 12>and now he says, they change, players change all the time.

2313
01:47:07.399 --> 01:47:10.119
<v Speaker 12>I don't even know who's who's playing anymore. But now

2314
01:47:10.159 --> 01:47:13.439
<v Speaker 12>I figure all I'm doing now is really basically rooting

2315
01:47:13.439 --> 01:47:16.560
<v Speaker 12>for laundry, because I'm just rooting for whoever's wearing the

2316
01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:19.720
<v Speaker 12>Mets shirt, whatever that is. You know, I'm rooting for

2317
01:47:19.760 --> 01:47:21.840
<v Speaker 12>that guy. I don't know who he is, but he's

2318
01:47:21.880 --> 01:47:24.039
<v Speaker 12>got my shirt on, so he must be one of

2319
01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:24.960
<v Speaker 12>my guys.

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01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:24.880
<v Speaker 7>You know.

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01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, now the great Seinfeld bit, let me ask

2322
01:47:28.039 --> 01:47:30.880
<v Speaker 2>you one more Utah football question, because I need to

2323
01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:35.840
<v Speaker 2>ask you point blank your opinion on exactly how we

2324
01:47:35.880 --> 01:47:39.359
<v Speaker 2>find ourselves here. And the hard thing about this topically,

2325
01:47:39.439 --> 01:47:42.319
<v Speaker 2>doctor who is? I do feel like you can be

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01:47:42.359 --> 01:47:45.199
<v Speaker 2>as reductive as saying if Cameron was healthy, everything would

2327
01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:48.239
<v Speaker 2>be different. I honestly feel that way. But we're talking

2328
01:47:48.279 --> 01:47:51.560
<v Speaker 2>seven straight l's and potentially eight, so on a scale

2329
01:47:51.560 --> 01:47:55.600
<v Speaker 2>of reductive, Cam got hurt to holy smokes, how did

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01:47:55.640 --> 01:47:56.119
<v Speaker 2>we get here?

2331
01:47:56.880 --> 01:47:57.039
<v Speaker 3>Well?

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01:47:57.079 --> 01:48:00.159
<v Speaker 14>I think losing becomes a habit too, you know, and

2333
01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:03.119
<v Speaker 14>you lose your confidence and you know, our defense, you know,

2334
01:48:03.319 --> 01:48:04.960
<v Speaker 14>I mean, God bless them, they're doing great, but at

2335
01:48:05.039 --> 01:48:06.520
<v Speaker 14>kind of the end of the game they're kind of

2336
01:48:07.039 --> 01:48:09.199
<v Speaker 14>have no confidence and the team goes down the scores.

2337
01:48:09.319 --> 01:48:11.640
<v Speaker 14>I mean, they kicked butt for you know, a whole time,

2338
01:48:11.640 --> 01:48:14.159
<v Speaker 14>and all of a sudden something happened. So it's snowballs.

2339
01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:16.119
<v Speaker 14>It's not like we're getting beat by forty and you

2340
01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:18.920
<v Speaker 14>just call it a day. But I you know, the

2341
01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:22.960
<v Speaker 14>quarterback has obviously it's a quarterback game on offense. So

2342
01:48:24.439 --> 01:48:26.760
<v Speaker 14>could they have better people back up? It's pretty hard

2343
01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:29.600
<v Speaker 14>to quarterbacks. Are It's notty no spoiled kids? And do

2344
01:48:29.680 --> 01:48:32.000
<v Speaker 14>they really want to sit on the bench and wait

2345
01:48:32.039 --> 01:48:34.920
<v Speaker 14>their turn. So it's worse than it's ever been, you know,

2346
01:48:35.159 --> 01:48:37.800
<v Speaker 14>So I do think it's part that. I think it's

2347
01:48:37.880 --> 01:48:40.399
<v Speaker 14>part the fact that your mojo gets down a little bit,

2348
01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:43.199
<v Speaker 14>you know, and all of a sudden it just snowballs.

2349
01:48:43.399 --> 01:48:45.039
<v Speaker 14>And you know, I don't want to get back to

2350
01:48:45.079 --> 01:48:47.239
<v Speaker 14>the other thing we're just talking about, but you know,

2351
01:48:47.399 --> 01:48:50.640
<v Speaker 14>or nine guys on a team that played against BYU

2352
01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:53.800
<v Speaker 14>at one time, nine guys wild, yeah, So I mean

2353
01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:56.720
<v Speaker 14>it's not like they're passionate about the utes because they

2354
01:48:56.760 --> 01:49:00.520
<v Speaker 14>also got Uncle Joe talking about another school. So when

2355
01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:03.279
<v Speaker 14>it starts to go south, especially in football where you're

2356
01:49:03.359 --> 01:49:05.800
<v Speaker 14>hitting each other day, you know, it's no fun. And

2357
01:49:05.840 --> 01:49:08.479
<v Speaker 14>we all know basketballs it doesn't matter, but I mean

2358
01:49:08.560 --> 01:49:10.840
<v Speaker 14>football it's a hard thing when it's cold out and

2359
01:49:10.840 --> 01:49:12.439
<v Speaker 14>you're hitting each other and you're starting to lose. So

2360
01:49:12.680 --> 01:49:14.880
<v Speaker 14>I think it's a snowball effect. And you can't outdo

2361
01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:18.199
<v Speaker 14>the fact that when you have a good quarterback, life changes.

2362
01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Just out of pure curiosity, because honestly don't know. I

2363
01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:24.079
<v Speaker 2>just remember after the Rose Bowls, the back to back

2364
01:49:24.159 --> 01:49:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Rose Bowls, Fox thirteen did a really good piece on

2365
01:49:28.960 --> 01:49:31.640
<v Speaker 2>what that meant for the athletic department, what it meant

2366
01:49:31.680 --> 01:49:34.640
<v Speaker 2>for the University of Utah, how much free advertising, how

2367
01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:38.279
<v Speaker 2>much free exposure it allowed for the institution. And therefore

2368
01:49:39.079 --> 01:49:42.399
<v Speaker 2>out of state and roollees were up as well. During

2369
01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:44.039
<v Speaker 2>a year where you don't make a bowl game, what

2370
01:49:44.119 --> 01:49:48.079
<v Speaker 2>sort of administrative consequences, if any, are there since they're

2371
01:49:48.119 --> 01:49:49.119
<v Speaker 2>not going bowling this year?

2372
01:49:49.359 --> 01:49:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, the bulls you don't make money on.

2373
01:49:51.199 --> 01:49:53.039
<v Speaker 14>But you got to believe that people are saying, well,

2374
01:49:53.199 --> 01:49:55.399
<v Speaker 14>I really want a big one tickets. You know, am

2375
01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:57.760
<v Speaker 14>I going to donate as much this year? You know,

2376
01:49:57.800 --> 01:49:59.840
<v Speaker 14>people start to get soft, so you worry. You worry

2377
01:49:59.880 --> 01:50:02.640
<v Speaker 14>for financially, and you'll worry about the image with you know,

2378
01:50:02.760 --> 01:50:05.680
<v Speaker 14>to recruit new kids. And you know, losing is you know,

2379
01:50:05.720 --> 01:50:08.960
<v Speaker 14>it's brutal. You know, there's no way about nowhere around it.

2380
01:50:09.000 --> 01:50:11.439
<v Speaker 14>And winning is off the chart the other way, you know.

2381
01:50:11.560 --> 01:50:14.039
<v Speaker 14>So I mean they're they're they're not selling T shirts.

2382
01:50:14.039 --> 01:50:16.560
<v Speaker 14>I'll tell you that right now. So every little thing

2383
01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:22.119
<v Speaker 14>along the way hurts you financially. And you know we've

2384
01:50:22.159 --> 01:50:24.279
<v Speaker 14>talked about Greg a lot Marsden and you know he's

2385
01:50:24.359 --> 01:50:26.359
<v Speaker 14>a dear friend and whatever, but he said whenever we

2386
01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:29.800
<v Speaker 14>won in football, we go to national championship games and

2387
01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:33.439
<v Speaker 14>they think we were one fantastic athletic department. If we weren't,

2388
01:50:33.479 --> 01:50:35.640
<v Speaker 14>they say, now you guys in Logan or something, Yeah,

2389
01:50:35.880 --> 01:50:38.319
<v Speaker 14>provo and wrestle at that stuff.

2390
01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:39.680
<v Speaker 1>It's even bigger now.

2391
01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:43.600
<v Speaker 14>So you know, it's it's why that football coaches get

2392
01:50:43.640 --> 01:50:45.319
<v Speaker 14>paid a lot. Man, It changes the whole deal.

2393
01:50:45.399 --> 01:50:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, most states, they're the highest paid public employees. In

2394
01:50:49.000 --> 01:50:51.600
<v Speaker 2>my home state, Connecticut, it's the basketball coach because Ucon's

2395
01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:52.800
<v Speaker 2>a basketball school.

2396
01:50:53.079 --> 01:50:55.119
<v Speaker 1>But Smitty, let me go to you on this. So

2397
01:50:55.720 --> 01:50:57.199
<v Speaker 1>we're nearing the end.

2398
01:50:57.159 --> 01:50:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Of football season, so Friday is the final game for

2399
01:50:59.399 --> 01:51:02.039
<v Speaker 2>the youths, and after that's kind of behind us. We'll

2400
01:51:02.119 --> 01:51:04.600
<v Speaker 2>lean a little bit more into our Utah men's basketball

2401
01:51:04.640 --> 01:51:08.199
<v Speaker 2>coverage for our listeners out there that aren't acutely aware

2402
01:51:08.279 --> 01:51:12.840
<v Speaker 2>of how ridiculous the Big Twelve is in men's basketball.

2403
01:51:12.840 --> 01:51:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Put a little context on what Craig and his group

2404
01:51:14.960 --> 01:51:16.600
<v Speaker 2>are up against coming up this year as a new

2405
01:51:16.600 --> 01:51:17.600
<v Speaker 2>member of the Big Twelve.

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01:51:18.119 --> 01:51:21.439
<v Speaker 12>Well, the Big Twelve in recent years has been considered

2407
01:51:21.439 --> 01:51:26.600
<v Speaker 12>by most so called experts or those who are weigh

2408
01:51:26.640 --> 01:51:31.079
<v Speaker 12>in anyway, as the toughest college men's college basketball conference

2409
01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:35.119
<v Speaker 12>in the country, tougher than the ACC, tougher than the

2410
01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:40.640
<v Speaker 12>Big Ten, tougher than the SEC, and the Utes are

2411
01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:44.319
<v Speaker 12>going to have a hard time because in part I think,

2412
01:51:45.119 --> 01:51:47.319
<v Speaker 12>I think, first of all, I don't know what kind

2413
01:51:47.359 --> 01:51:50.920
<v Speaker 12>of favors they're doing themselves with the preseason schedule that

2414
01:51:50.960 --> 01:51:55.199
<v Speaker 12>they have this year. They play one team from my

2415
01:51:55.560 --> 01:51:58.239
<v Speaker 12>from my point of view, one team of any note

2416
01:51:58.960 --> 01:52:01.640
<v Speaker 12>before the conference and that's when they play Saint Mary's

2417
01:52:01.640 --> 01:52:05.479
<v Speaker 12>in a few weeks. Otherwise they're playing all these schools

2418
01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:08.319
<v Speaker 12>or the Sisters of the Poor and whatever to and

2419
01:52:08.319 --> 01:52:10.119
<v Speaker 12>and I and and I get it. I know what

2420
01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:12.840
<v Speaker 12>the what the endgame is that they're trying to go

2421
01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:16.359
<v Speaker 12>into the conference season, you know, with a ten and

2422
01:52:16.439 --> 01:52:19.119
<v Speaker 12>one record or an eleven and two record or whatever

2423
01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:21.439
<v Speaker 12>it's gonna be, so that they look good when they

2424
01:52:21.439 --> 01:52:23.640
<v Speaker 12>get into the conference. But but when you get to

2425
01:52:23.680 --> 01:52:26.920
<v Speaker 12>the conference, you're talking about you know, Kansas, You're talking

2426
01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:31.279
<v Speaker 12>about Iowa State, You're talking about Houston, You're talking about Baylor,

2427
01:52:31.319 --> 01:52:34.600
<v Speaker 12>you're talking about Arizona. You're talking about an up and

2428
01:52:34.680 --> 01:52:37.960
<v Speaker 12>coming BYU team that has a couple of really good

2429
01:52:38.119 --> 01:52:41.520
<v Speaker 12>NBA prospects on the team. You're talking about Texas Tech,

2430
01:52:41.560 --> 01:52:44.880
<v Speaker 12>you're talking about a solid Colorado team, you're talking about

2431
01:52:45.079 --> 01:52:50.800
<v Speaker 12>West Virginia CONTI. Yeah, you know, you're going down. You're

2432
01:52:50.800 --> 01:52:53.000
<v Speaker 12>going down the list, and it's it's a long list,

2433
01:52:53.560 --> 01:52:56.880
<v Speaker 12>and and it's it's gonna be interesting to see.

2434
01:52:56.920 --> 01:52:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Now.

2435
01:52:57.359 --> 01:53:00.000
<v Speaker 12>You don't play everybody in the conference right the way

2436
01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:03.600
<v Speaker 12>it wasn't It isn't football. You play a certain number

2437
01:53:03.640 --> 01:53:06.199
<v Speaker 12>of teams and and a certain number of home home

2438
01:53:06.319 --> 01:53:08.680
<v Speaker 12>games and and and road games, and so you don't

2439
01:53:08.680 --> 01:53:11.520
<v Speaker 12>play everybody. So sometimes you can escape, you know, and

2440
01:53:11.600 --> 01:53:14.920
<v Speaker 12>avoid playing a few big boys along the way. But

2441
01:53:14.920 --> 01:53:17.199
<v Speaker 12>but it's gonna be a very interesting season. It's gonna

2442
01:53:17.199 --> 01:53:19.600
<v Speaker 12>be fun to see some of those teams that do

2443
01:53:19.720 --> 01:53:22.399
<v Speaker 12>come in that come into the Huntsman Center this year

2444
01:53:22.439 --> 01:53:25.319
<v Speaker 12>to play, whether it's Kansas or whether it's Baylor. You know,

2445
01:53:25.399 --> 01:53:27.840
<v Speaker 12>some of these you know, really by U is going

2446
01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:31.159
<v Speaker 12>to be a big game because they're very good and

2447
01:53:31.199 --> 01:53:34.199
<v Speaker 12>there these are gonna be tough games, and I imagine

2448
01:53:34.199 --> 01:53:37.880
<v Speaker 12>the fans would show up. But but Chris, I think, unfortunately,

2449
01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:41.079
<v Speaker 12>I think at this moment in time for Craig Smith,

2450
01:53:41.079 --> 01:53:43.399
<v Speaker 12>who's trying to build his program in his fourth year.

2451
01:53:43.920 --> 01:53:46.840
<v Speaker 12>You know fans are going to be showing up to

2452
01:53:46.960 --> 01:53:50.800
<v Speaker 12>these conference games this year, uh to see the other team.

2453
01:53:50.880 --> 01:53:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think you're right on the mark.

2454
01:53:52.760 --> 01:53:53.079
<v Speaker 7>You know that.

2455
01:53:53.199 --> 01:53:55.479
<v Speaker 12>I come in to see the youth unfortunately, because I've

2456
01:53:55.520 --> 01:53:58.159
<v Speaker 12>been to some of the YOUTE games already, and as

2457
01:53:58.199 --> 01:54:01.239
<v Speaker 12>frank Leyden would would often say, you know, the game

2458
01:54:01.319 --> 01:54:05.199
<v Speaker 12>was just a rumor because there were like two or

2459
01:54:05.199 --> 01:54:06.359
<v Speaker 12>three hundred people there.

2460
01:54:07.199 --> 01:54:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Whatever.

2461
01:54:08.039 --> 01:54:10.199
<v Speaker 14>We went to the game together with Frank and Smitty.

2462
01:54:10.319 --> 01:54:12.439
<v Speaker 14>They were my first game I went to on Saturday,

2463
01:54:12.520 --> 01:54:15.399
<v Speaker 14>and Frank is Frank, He is unbelievaba. But you know,

2464
01:54:15.800 --> 01:54:19.359
<v Speaker 14>it's interesting dynamic because now you know it's like the

2465
01:54:19.399 --> 01:54:22.119
<v Speaker 14>Big Ten. A little bit you don't have to have

2466
01:54:22.239 --> 01:54:26.199
<v Speaker 14>is you have to have some marks in your fall season.

2467
01:54:26.239 --> 01:54:28.640
<v Speaker 14>It's really important in this and you know you need

2468
01:54:28.720 --> 01:54:31.960
<v Speaker 14>four or five to make a mark, and then you

2469
01:54:31.960 --> 01:54:33.840
<v Speaker 14>have nothing to lose on them. You go three and

2470
01:54:33.920 --> 01:54:36.359
<v Speaker 14>two against some top teams. You know, even if you

2471
01:54:36.399 --> 01:54:38.479
<v Speaker 14>have to go to tournaments to play them. You know

2472
01:54:38.520 --> 01:54:42.159
<v Speaker 14>you're seeing Duke play Kentucky, right, or Duke plays Arizona

2473
01:54:42.279 --> 01:54:44.920
<v Speaker 14>or something like that. Well, neither team has anything to

2474
01:54:44.960 --> 01:54:47.760
<v Speaker 14>lose and it really don't. And I know how that works,

2475
01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:50.279
<v Speaker 14>and it's kind of the formula. You've got to make

2476
01:54:50.279 --> 01:54:54.880
<v Speaker 14>sure you have enough wins in non conference against a

2477
01:54:54.880 --> 01:54:57.239
<v Speaker 14>few good teams. But if you finish in the middle

2478
01:54:57.239 --> 01:54:59.800
<v Speaker 14>of the Pac twelve and you've got three or four

2479
01:54:59.840 --> 01:55:02.199
<v Speaker 14>to wins in the non cory, you're in. You're in,

2480
01:55:02.239 --> 01:55:04.960
<v Speaker 14>and maybe got a decent seed. You know, they'll get

2481
01:55:04.960 --> 01:55:07.720
<v Speaker 14>eight teams in at least. Yeah, it's it's quite a challenge.

2482
01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:10.520
<v Speaker 2>And Craig is very front facing about it and opted

2483
01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:14.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, optimistic and uh, you know, believes they'll get there.

2484
01:55:15.479 --> 01:55:17.359
<v Speaker 2>They were picked to finish last in the conference. But

2485
01:55:17.439 --> 01:55:19.399
<v Speaker 2>let me follow up doctor Hill on a question that

2486
01:55:19.479 --> 01:55:23.000
<v Speaker 2>we've discussed before. And if there was an easy answer,

2487
01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:24.680
<v Speaker 2>you just do it and you solve the thing.

2488
01:55:24.840 --> 01:55:26.720
<v Speaker 1>But as you know, I was a student at Utah

2489
01:55:26.760 --> 01:55:27.520
<v Speaker 1>in the late nineties.

2490
01:55:27.560 --> 01:55:31.239
<v Speaker 2>We planned our weeks around basketball games and it was

2491
01:55:31.279 --> 01:55:34.560
<v Speaker 2>always jam packed and it was so fun. And whenever

2492
01:55:34.600 --> 01:55:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I go up to the Huntsman now I'm like, what happened?

2493
01:55:37.039 --> 01:55:39.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, it feels like you're in some fever dream.

2494
01:55:39.159 --> 01:55:41.560
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, it really it's hard, you know, I think when

2495
01:55:41.600 --> 01:55:45.039
<v Speaker 14>we you know, obviously Rick Rick left. It was you know,

2496
01:55:45.279 --> 01:55:47.439
<v Speaker 14>not only we were winning, we also had a guy

2497
01:55:47.439 --> 01:55:49.199
<v Speaker 14>in the sideline that people came to watch him.

2498
01:55:49.520 --> 01:55:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know, I mean they really did. Yeah.

2499
01:55:51.319 --> 01:55:53.119
<v Speaker 14>And you know we had a couple of Chad tournament

2500
01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:55.119
<v Speaker 14>I mean, you know, Larry went to the sweet sixteen

2501
01:55:55.159 --> 01:55:57.560
<v Speaker 14>and we started to group creep up a little bit

2502
01:55:57.560 --> 01:56:00.920
<v Speaker 14>with attendance. So you got to win. But I mentioned earlier,

2503
01:56:00.960 --> 01:56:03.840
<v Speaker 14>I'm worried about college basketball. Yeah, I really am. I mean,

2504
01:56:04.199 --> 01:56:06.399
<v Speaker 14>we have a lot of people like basketball, and but

2505
01:56:06.520 --> 01:56:10.039
<v Speaker 14>Utah State's been winning like crazy byus different. I mean,

2506
01:56:10.039 --> 01:56:12.920
<v Speaker 14>they have always have great attendance, even on some down years.

2507
01:56:12.960 --> 01:56:15.319
<v Speaker 14>But you know, now with a new coach and the

2508
01:56:15.359 --> 01:56:18.279
<v Speaker 14>players are getting and all that stuff, so you know,

2509
01:56:18.439 --> 01:56:21.279
<v Speaker 14>it is it's a shocker, you know when you go

2510
01:56:21.319 --> 01:56:23.199
<v Speaker 14>in there now and you think those that are around

2511
01:56:23.199 --> 01:56:26.600
<v Speaker 14>in the nineties were like we played ten o'clock games,

2512
01:56:26.640 --> 01:56:27.560
<v Speaker 14>Oh I remember.

2513
01:56:27.239 --> 01:56:30.039
<v Speaker 1>And they were packed. Yes, I remember. Now you play

2514
01:56:30.039 --> 01:56:32.359
<v Speaker 1>a seven thirty game, you go on, my guess and

2515
01:56:32.399 --> 01:56:33.079
<v Speaker 1>what am I going to do?

2516
01:56:33.359 --> 01:56:33.520
<v Speaker 3>Well?

2517
01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:34.399
<v Speaker 1>I tell people this.

2518
01:56:34.720 --> 01:56:37.439
<v Speaker 14>You know, a good time to start a game is

2519
01:56:37.439 --> 01:56:40.119
<v Speaker 14>when your team's great. You know, that's it doesn't matter

2520
01:56:40.159 --> 01:56:42.039
<v Speaker 14>what's a good seat in the house when your team wins.

2521
01:56:42.039 --> 01:56:42.479
<v Speaker 1>That's all.

2522
01:56:42.479 --> 01:56:44.239
<v Speaker 14>The seats are good when you win. Yeah, none are good.

2523
01:56:44.239 --> 01:56:46.560
<v Speaker 14>The hot dogs are cold. Everything's bad when you lose. Right,

2524
01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:51.560
<v Speaker 14>So until they they can win significantly, I think it's

2525
01:56:51.560 --> 01:56:52.600
<v Speaker 14>going to be tough coming back.

2526
01:56:52.680 --> 01:56:54.399
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of schools are in there now.

2527
01:56:54.399 --> 01:56:57.399
<v Speaker 2>It's sad to say, all right, Smitty, before we take

2528
01:56:57.439 --> 01:57:00.000
<v Speaker 2>our break and I let you guys go, we probably

2529
01:57:00.039 --> 01:57:03.199
<v Speaker 2>should talk about some jazz, since that's why we have

2530
01:57:03.279 --> 01:57:06.560
<v Speaker 2>you here more often than not. So I'll say this,

2531
01:57:06.760 --> 01:57:09.760
<v Speaker 2>over the past seven or eight games, offensively, they've been

2532
01:57:09.800 --> 01:57:12.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot better. Their offensive rating over the past eight

2533
01:57:12.359 --> 01:57:14.760
<v Speaker 2>games is like number seven in the NBA. Now, they

2534
01:57:14.800 --> 01:57:18.720
<v Speaker 2>do not guard anybody. Knocked down a bunch of shots

2535
01:57:18.720 --> 01:57:22.600
<v Speaker 2>against the Knicks, but they have been better offensively. I'll

2536
01:57:22.600 --> 01:57:24.479
<v Speaker 2>give them that. Anything standing out to you over the

2537
01:57:24.520 --> 01:57:25.880
<v Speaker 2>past seven eight games.

2538
01:57:25.640 --> 01:57:30.119
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, well, they they made some shots in a few games, Okay.

2539
01:57:31.039 --> 01:57:34.039
<v Speaker 12>John Collins playing at the five has helped. I think

2540
01:57:34.119 --> 01:57:36.479
<v Speaker 12>somewhat they get a little bit. You know, he's playing

2541
01:57:36.640 --> 01:57:39.399
<v Speaker 12>very efficiently to this point, do you realize they've played

2542
01:57:39.760 --> 01:57:42.319
<v Speaker 12>John Collins has played all in all sixteen games the

2543
01:57:42.399 --> 01:57:45.039
<v Speaker 12>Jazz have played so far. Did you realize John Collins

2544
01:57:45.039 --> 01:57:46.159
<v Speaker 12>has missed one free throw?

2545
01:57:46.640 --> 01:57:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's impressive.

2546
01:57:47.680 --> 01:57:50.520
<v Speaker 12>He's forty seven for forty eight from the free throw

2547
01:57:50.720 --> 01:57:55.960
<v Speaker 12>you're kidding, Youssi. But he's playing efficiently at the five spot.

2548
01:57:56.920 --> 01:57:59.680
<v Speaker 12>They still turn the ball over too much. There's still

2549
01:57:59.720 --> 01:58:02.960
<v Speaker 12>too loose with it. The transition defense. Their man to

2550
01:58:03.079 --> 01:58:07.000
<v Speaker 12>man defense is really bad. There's still bottom five in

2551
01:58:07.079 --> 01:58:12.359
<v Speaker 12>all the statistical categories that hasn't improved. It looks like

2552
01:58:12.439 --> 01:58:16.119
<v Speaker 12>they're trying to play some different guys, some different lineups,

2553
01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:19.720
<v Speaker 12>just to get something something going. They played very well

2554
01:58:19.760 --> 01:58:22.119
<v Speaker 12>against Nick s Ay. I was impressed with the fact

2555
01:58:22.119 --> 01:58:24.640
<v Speaker 12>that they had a twenty point lead early in the

2556
01:58:24.680 --> 01:58:28.279
<v Speaker 12>third quarter. The Knicks went on a seventeen to oh

2557
01:58:28.479 --> 01:58:31.960
<v Speaker 12>run nineteen party got it down to two, and I thought, well,

2558
01:58:32.319 --> 01:58:34.880
<v Speaker 12>they're just going to keep it rolling. And the Jazz

2559
01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:36.680
<v Speaker 12>turn around and came right back with a run of

2560
01:58:36.720 --> 01:58:39.640
<v Speaker 12>their own and bumped it back up to twelve fourteen

2561
01:58:40.079 --> 01:58:42.880
<v Speaker 12>and ended up being able to close the game out.

2562
01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:44.439
<v Speaker 12>That was a good game for them. Now they're going

2563
01:58:44.520 --> 01:58:48.119
<v Speaker 12>to have an interesting stretch here. They play four games

2564
01:58:48.279 --> 01:58:51.039
<v Speaker 12>in the next six days starting tomorrow night. Spends very

2565
01:58:51.079 --> 01:58:54.760
<v Speaker 12>interesting in the NBA schedule. They played two back to

2566
01:58:54.920 --> 01:58:59.079
<v Speaker 12>back sets at home, which is very unusual. They play

2567
01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:02.479
<v Speaker 12>Tuesday night, Wednesday night, then they get two days off

2568
01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:05.920
<v Speaker 12>of Thanksgiving, then they play Saturday night, Sunday night at

2569
01:59:06.319 --> 01:59:08.920
<v Speaker 12>all four of those games right at home into Delta Center.

2570
01:59:09.279 --> 01:59:12.760
<v Speaker 12>And then in the month of December with the NBA

2571
01:59:12.960 --> 01:59:15.199
<v Speaker 12>Cup thing that that you got a couple of flex

2572
01:59:15.279 --> 01:59:17.960
<v Speaker 12>games that they're gonna haven't assigned yet, but they're gonna

2573
01:59:18.039 --> 01:59:22.039
<v Speaker 12>end up basically playing eight of nine games on the

2574
01:59:22.199 --> 01:59:25.840
<v Speaker 12>road during the bulk part of December, and so that's

2575
01:59:25.880 --> 01:59:28.319
<v Speaker 12>gonna be a tough stretch for them. So they're gonna

2576
01:59:28.600 --> 01:59:31.239
<v Speaker 12>they're gonna find out a lot about who they are,

2577
01:59:31.800 --> 01:59:33.760
<v Speaker 12>you know, during the stretch once they get to the

2578
01:59:34.119 --> 01:59:37.920
<v Speaker 12>Christmas holidays, you know, and and what the rotations are

2579
01:59:38.000 --> 01:59:41.800
<v Speaker 12>gonna be, and what the younger guys are doing within

2580
01:59:41.920 --> 01:59:45.279
<v Speaker 12>the lineup. Cody Williams hasn't shown up at all yet

2581
01:59:46.119 --> 01:59:49.319
<v Speaker 12>for me. The league, by the way, yeah, well they should. Well,

2582
01:59:49.359 --> 01:59:52.039
<v Speaker 12>while we had we had this discussion, uh the other

2583
01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:54.880
<v Speaker 12>day with someone you know, saying that really the I

2584
01:59:54.920 --> 01:59:56.960
<v Speaker 12>think it was on our show last week with Bowler

2585
01:59:57.199 --> 01:59:59.159
<v Speaker 12>when he mentioned the fact that you know, we have

2586
01:59:59.239 --> 02:00:01.640
<v Speaker 12>the G League team, which is a developmental team. Well,

2587
02:00:02.000 --> 02:00:05.479
<v Speaker 12>most of the Jazz guys who are playing now should

2588
02:00:05.560 --> 02:00:07.399
<v Speaker 12>be on the G League team.

2589
02:00:07.840 --> 02:00:10.960
<v Speaker 3>That's what the G League is for. That's what those

2590
02:00:11.000 --> 02:00:12.439
<v Speaker 3>guys are supposed to be.

2591
02:00:12.960 --> 02:00:16.319
<v Speaker 12>Twenty year old guys, twenty one year old guys, one

2592
02:00:16.399 --> 02:00:19.640
<v Speaker 12>year in college here they come not ready to play

2593
02:00:19.680 --> 02:00:22.920
<v Speaker 12>in the NBA, but they but they're force feeding them

2594
02:00:22.960 --> 02:00:25.960
<v Speaker 12>at the NBA. Okay, I get it. I understand the

2595
02:00:26.279 --> 02:00:29.119
<v Speaker 12>wise of it, but it's not I'm not sure how

2596
02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:32.279
<v Speaker 12>much it's helping them because they're they're getting their heads

2597
02:00:32.319 --> 02:00:36.279
<v Speaker 12>knocked around most nights, and they should really be in

2598
02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:39.720
<v Speaker 12>the G League setting where they can get better run,

2599
02:00:40.159 --> 02:00:43.359
<v Speaker 12>more extended run, and be able to get some level

2600
02:00:43.399 --> 02:00:46.239
<v Speaker 12>of success and taste that a little bit to see

2601
02:00:46.520 --> 02:00:49.560
<v Speaker 12>what it is at the pro level. That's but that

2602
02:00:49.880 --> 02:00:52.920
<v Speaker 12>that's gonna be an interesting time between now and the

2603
02:00:53.000 --> 02:00:55.159
<v Speaker 12>Christmas holidays in the Jazz schedule.

2604
02:00:55.640 --> 02:00:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, look, gentlemen, always a pleasure. Thanks so much, live

2605
02:00:58.800 --> 02:01:01.359
<v Speaker 2>in studio, have a great Thanksgiving. You'd love to do

2606
02:01:01.399 --> 02:01:02.199
<v Speaker 2>it again, Okay.

2607
02:01:02.119 --> 02:01:04.279
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I really appreciate it. It's comfortable with you here,

2608
02:01:04.319 --> 02:01:05.640
<v Speaker 14>and I can say some things I want to say

2609
02:01:05.680 --> 02:01:06.199
<v Speaker 14>that love it.

2610
02:01:07.000 --> 02:01:07.359
<v Speaker 8>I love it.

2611
02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Richard Smith. Great to see you, my friend, Bens.

2612
02:01:11.079 --> 02:01:13.640
<v Speaker 3>Thanks man, Happy Thanksgiving to you and everybody out there.

2613
02:01:13.520 --> 02:01:15.560
<v Speaker 1>There We go all right, Thanks traveled, Larry H.

2614
02:01:15.640 --> 02:01:18.279
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2618
02:01:27.840 --> 02:01:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Young in about we'll call that twenty two minutes right now,

2619
02:01:32.000 --> 02:01:34.920
<v Speaker 2>prior to the Craig Smith Coaches Show, we'll catch up

2620
02:01:34.960 --> 02:01:37.439
<v Speaker 2>with one of the best quarterbacks in the history of

2621
02:01:37.560 --> 02:01:40.279
<v Speaker 2>football period, whether collegiate or pro, where he won a

2622
02:01:40.359 --> 02:01:43.039
<v Speaker 2>number of Super Bowls and obviously one of the most

2623
02:01:43.039 --> 02:01:45.600
<v Speaker 2>efficient quarterbacks of all time. So we'll get Steve's thoughts

2624
02:01:45.680 --> 02:01:48.880
<v Speaker 2>on the two game skid that b YU finds itself

2625
02:01:48.920 --> 02:01:51.239
<v Speaker 2>in the midst of after starting the season nine to zero,

2626
02:01:51.359 --> 02:01:55.359
<v Speaker 2>two losses, now one to Kansas seventeen thirteen. That one

2627
02:01:55.479 --> 02:01:57.479
<v Speaker 2>is going to stick in the cross thirteen points at home,

2628
02:01:57.520 --> 02:01:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I think is the one they're going to look back on.

2629
02:01:58.880 --> 02:02:02.479
<v Speaker 2>Arizona State's really good and they are now in the

2630
02:02:02.560 --> 02:02:04.600
<v Speaker 2>driver's seats playing the Big Twelve championship game.

2631
02:02:04.640 --> 02:02:06.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, we've been talking about this all day.

2632
02:02:07.119 --> 02:02:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Both Utah and BYU with pretty valiant comebacks over the weekend.

2633
02:02:10.279 --> 02:02:14.199
<v Speaker 2>Both those games fell short. Utah football mired in a

2634
02:02:14.399 --> 02:02:19.399
<v Speaker 2>seven game losing streak. Nobody saw this coming. I don't

2635
02:02:19.439 --> 02:02:22.279
<v Speaker 2>care what the revisionist historians say. Nobody saw this coming.

2636
02:02:23.680 --> 02:02:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Utah heads to Orlando coming up on Friday. It's a

2637
02:02:26.119 --> 02:02:28.600
<v Speaker 2>short week. They're taking on one of the best offenses

2638
02:02:28.640 --> 02:02:32.560
<v Speaker 2>in the Big Twelve. Even though UCF has not necessarily

2639
02:02:32.720 --> 02:02:35.560
<v Speaker 2>performed the way consistently most people thought that they would,

2640
02:02:36.319 --> 02:02:38.199
<v Speaker 2>they're still one of the most potent offenses in the

2641
02:02:38.359 --> 02:02:42.359
<v Speaker 2>entire country. Utah finds themselves as a double digit underdog

2642
02:02:43.359 --> 02:02:47.039
<v Speaker 2>on Friday night. Ten points is now the line that's

2643
02:02:47.119 --> 02:02:49.520
<v Speaker 2>moved the way of UCF a couple of different times.

2644
02:02:50.439 --> 02:02:53.479
<v Speaker 2>And if Utah loses coming up on Friday night, that's

2645
02:02:53.520 --> 02:02:57.159
<v Speaker 2>eight straight l's and that would be the most losses

2646
02:02:57.239 --> 02:03:01.399
<v Speaker 2>consecutively ever suffered by a Utah football team. So there's

2647
02:03:01.439 --> 02:03:03.520
<v Speaker 2>not a ton to play for. Bowl game now off

2648
02:03:03.600 --> 02:03:05.640
<v Speaker 2>the table. U Taugh Football will not even go to

2649
02:03:05.720 --> 02:03:08.239
<v Speaker 2>a bowl game, which is hard to wrap your mind around.

2650
02:03:09.239 --> 02:03:12.279
<v Speaker 2>But I was talking about this earlier cross talk with Sean.

2651
02:03:12.359 --> 02:03:14.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you watch some of the Utah players

2652
02:03:15.560 --> 02:03:18.159
<v Speaker 2>and coaches post game after some of these losses, your

2653
02:03:18.199 --> 02:03:20.840
<v Speaker 2>hearts just break for him. Man like Junior Taffoona, That

2654
02:03:20.920 --> 02:03:23.800
<v Speaker 2>poor kid. Every time they throw him up on the

2655
02:03:23.880 --> 02:03:26.520
<v Speaker 2>dais after a loss, he just can't contain himself. He

2656
02:03:26.760 --> 02:03:29.680
<v Speaker 2>just gets emotional. We saw Connor O'Toole getting emotional. So

2657
02:03:31.119 --> 02:03:33.039
<v Speaker 2>it's a little corny for me to say what I'm

2658
02:03:33.039 --> 02:03:37.159
<v Speaker 2>about to say, but this is the last week that

2659
02:03:37.399 --> 02:03:40.279
<v Speaker 2>this group will ever play together, and quite frankly, will

2660
02:03:40.319 --> 02:03:41.319
<v Speaker 2>ever be together.

2661
02:03:41.520 --> 02:03:42.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, you guys know the deal.

2662
02:03:42.640 --> 02:03:44.720
<v Speaker 2>If you were with a team, or even if you

2663
02:03:44.960 --> 02:03:47.920
<v Speaker 2>graduated from high school or college, or we're in a

2664
02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:51.600
<v Speaker 2>fraternity or whatever, like that last moment when you are

2665
02:03:51.760 --> 02:03:55.359
<v Speaker 2>with your class or your team, you don't really realize

2666
02:03:55.439 --> 02:03:58.479
<v Speaker 2>that you won't see some of those people ever again.

2667
02:03:58.600 --> 02:03:59.880
<v Speaker 2>For the rest of your lives, you will never be

2668
02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:03.520
<v Speaker 2>together in that same group, in that same room. So

2669
02:04:04.239 --> 02:04:07.119
<v Speaker 2>I suppose there's that. You know, to hear Connor and

2670
02:04:07.199 --> 02:04:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Junior talk post game with tiers running down their cheeks

2671
02:04:09.680 --> 02:04:11.720
<v Speaker 2>about how much it means to them to play football,

2672
02:04:11.760 --> 02:04:14.960
<v Speaker 2>with our brothers. This is the final time that will happen,

2673
02:04:15.640 --> 02:04:18.600
<v Speaker 2>and it's the final time this group will ever be together. Yes,

2674
02:04:18.760 --> 02:04:21.399
<v Speaker 2>that's not what we thought the narrative would be or

2675
02:04:21.479 --> 02:04:23.039
<v Speaker 2>topically what we'd be discussing.

2676
02:04:23.560 --> 02:04:25.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, the week of Thanksgiving for Utah football.

2677
02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:28.399
<v Speaker 2>A team that was picked by Vegas to win the

2678
02:04:28.439 --> 02:04:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Big Twelve Championship, a team that was picked by the media.

2679
02:04:31.239 --> 02:04:33.560
<v Speaker 1>What do we know to win the Big twelve Championship?

2680
02:04:33.600 --> 02:04:34.359
<v Speaker 1>And now we find them?

2681
02:04:34.720 --> 02:04:37.479
<v Speaker 2>You know, we find ourselves in the spot watching this

2682
02:04:37.640 --> 02:04:41.479
<v Speaker 2>team week in and week out not necessarily get blown out.

2683
02:04:41.520 --> 02:04:43.039
<v Speaker 2>But I'm not here for that. I'm not here for

2684
02:04:43.119 --> 02:04:45.560
<v Speaker 2>the moral victories. You gotta win at the end of

2685
02:04:45.560 --> 02:04:47.239
<v Speaker 2>the day. And it's been seven straight l's in a

2686
02:04:47.319 --> 02:04:51.399
<v Speaker 2>tough game coming up at UCF in Orlando, I will say,

2687
02:04:52.279 --> 02:04:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and I know this is hard to do because there's

2688
02:04:53.920 --> 02:04:55.800
<v Speaker 2>so many people in the community that are so bummed

2689
02:04:55.840 --> 02:04:59.279
<v Speaker 2>out about where we find ourselves now with Utah football

2690
02:05:00.159 --> 02:05:02.760
<v Speaker 2>in a vacuum. My thoughts Saturday night was fun like,

2691
02:05:02.920 --> 02:05:05.600
<v Speaker 2>it was a great atmosphere. It was a great college

2692
02:05:05.640 --> 02:05:10.439
<v Speaker 2>football game. Luke Batari the fifth option for coach Wit

2693
02:05:10.520 --> 02:05:13.079
<v Speaker 2>and Mike Bajakian is now your starting quarterback coming up

2694
02:05:13.119 --> 02:05:17.079
<v Speaker 2>against UCF. Isaac Wilson lost for the year. That was

2695
02:05:17.199 --> 02:05:20.439
<v Speaker 2>a dirty play, not necessarily one to call these things

2696
02:05:20.479 --> 02:05:22.439
<v Speaker 2>out the way. A lot of people online just want

2697
02:05:22.520 --> 02:05:24.399
<v Speaker 2>to live to be angry, but that was an alligator

2698
02:05:24.520 --> 02:05:28.319
<v Speaker 2>role and coach wit for his media earlier today, and

2699
02:05:28.359 --> 02:05:31.119
<v Speaker 2>if you missed that, it's up at ESPN seven hundred.

2700
02:05:31.119 --> 02:05:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Sports dot Com did confirm that it was the rollover

2701
02:05:34.600 --> 02:05:36.600
<v Speaker 2>that caused the injury to Isaac, so he's now out

2702
02:05:36.640 --> 02:05:39.960
<v Speaker 2>for the year. Sam Heward, you know obviously Brandon Rose

2703
02:05:40.000 --> 02:05:43.000
<v Speaker 2>cam rising. So once again, Luke Patari, your fifth stringer

2704
02:05:43.119 --> 02:05:45.000
<v Speaker 2>is going to be your starter coming up against UCF.

2705
02:05:45.960 --> 02:05:48.279
<v Speaker 2>After Luke came in and I thought did a really

2706
02:05:48.359 --> 02:05:50.560
<v Speaker 2>really good job, provided a little bit of a spark,

2707
02:05:50.640 --> 02:05:54.079
<v Speaker 2>didn't he with that forty yard rush and a couple

2708
02:05:54.159 --> 02:05:59.159
<v Speaker 2>of nice completions. Obviously, the intentional grounding got a lot

2709
02:05:59.239 --> 02:06:01.159
<v Speaker 2>of attention. That was the right call, and I'm sure

2710
02:06:01.279 --> 02:06:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Luke would like that one back because ultimately he pushed

2711
02:06:03.600 --> 02:06:07.760
<v Speaker 2>him back and Cole didn't necessarily, he didn't leave it short.

2712
02:06:07.880 --> 02:06:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Cole Becker had the leg. He just pushed it.

2713
02:06:09.920 --> 02:06:12.600
<v Speaker 2>He just pushed it right, and you know, the air

2714
02:06:12.680 --> 02:06:15.640
<v Speaker 2>went out of the building. Senior night, they're ordering Ty

2715
02:06:15.760 --> 02:06:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Jordan are low. There is part of me that's always

2716
02:06:18.880 --> 02:06:20.359
<v Speaker 2>kind of had this thought in the back of my

2717
02:06:20.479 --> 02:06:23.079
<v Speaker 2>mind with Ti Jordan potentially being a senior this year,

2718
02:06:23.119 --> 02:06:26.079
<v Speaker 2>what that would have looked like. But you know, you

2719
02:06:26.159 --> 02:06:28.840
<v Speaker 2>can't exist in that space. Some cool moments having his

2720
02:06:28.920 --> 02:06:31.439
<v Speaker 2>family on the field and honoring them that way. So

2721
02:06:31.640 --> 02:06:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Utah football will close up the season coming up on

2722
02:06:34.279 --> 02:06:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Friday in Orlando. That's going to be a six o'clock

2723
02:06:37.439 --> 02:06:40.840
<v Speaker 2>start time. The TV will be on Fox. TV covers

2724
02:06:40.840 --> 02:06:42.720
<v Speaker 2>will be on Fox, and as far as the radio side,

2725
02:06:42.760 --> 02:06:45.319
<v Speaker 2>of course, we'll have you covered. Porter will get rolling

2726
02:06:45.319 --> 02:06:48.520
<v Speaker 2>at about two o'clock on Saturday for the pregame covers

2727
02:06:48.560 --> 02:06:51.359
<v Speaker 2>before he excuse me on Friday two o'clock on Friday

2728
02:06:51.439 --> 02:06:54.079
<v Speaker 2>for some pregame. It is a short week for Utah

2729
02:06:54.119 --> 02:06:56.560
<v Speaker 2>football as they travel to Orlando to take on UCF.

2730
02:06:56.680 --> 02:06:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Now, on the.

2731
02:06:57.640 --> 02:07:00.439
<v Speaker 2>Byu side of things, you know by was one of

2732
02:07:00.479 --> 02:07:03.640
<v Speaker 2>those teams this past weekend, along with Colorado, along with Alabama,

2733
02:07:03.760 --> 02:07:07.279
<v Speaker 2>along with old miss Good teams. In the driver's seat,

2734
02:07:07.399 --> 02:07:09.520
<v Speaker 2>you just handle your business and you are in with

2735
02:07:09.600 --> 02:07:11.960
<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to win a big twelve championship game, and

2736
02:07:12.079 --> 02:07:16.279
<v Speaker 2>now unfortunately the past two weeks after starting nine to zero,

2737
02:07:16.760 --> 02:07:18.439
<v Speaker 2>and at some point, I mean, we have to be

2738
02:07:18.479 --> 02:07:21.399
<v Speaker 2>honest here, at some point they were gonna get got.

2739
02:07:22.319 --> 02:07:27.239
<v Speaker 2>At some point all of the opportunistic, advantageous bounces were

2740
02:07:27.319 --> 02:07:28.880
<v Speaker 2>not going to go their way, and a couple of

2741
02:07:28.960 --> 02:07:32.359
<v Speaker 2>them didn't against Arizona State down in Tempe. And at

2742
02:07:32.399 --> 02:07:34.640
<v Speaker 2>some point Jake's mistakes we're going to come back to

2743
02:07:34.680 --> 02:07:37.920
<v Speaker 2>bite them. He has four games of multiple interceptions and

2744
02:07:38.000 --> 02:07:40.279
<v Speaker 2>that Picky threw down the stretch against Ashue, even though

2745
02:07:40.319 --> 02:07:43.279
<v Speaker 2>he was brilliant in the second half to bring them back,

2746
02:07:43.359 --> 02:07:45.359
<v Speaker 2>and even though for the most part he has.

2747
02:07:45.279 --> 02:07:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Been brilliant all year long.

2748
02:07:47.680 --> 02:07:50.279
<v Speaker 2>We saw Jake play last year and the thing was

2749
02:07:50.399 --> 02:07:51.920
<v Speaker 2>you could see the talent and the potential.

2750
02:07:52.000 --> 02:07:53.079
<v Speaker 1>It was just decisions.

2751
02:07:53.159 --> 02:07:56.479
<v Speaker 2>It was decision making from the quarterback position, and they

2752
02:07:56.560 --> 02:07:59.920
<v Speaker 2>have been able to survive. Would I perceive to be

2753
02:08:00.119 --> 02:08:02.119
<v Speaker 2>still the issue with Jake, and that is just you

2754
02:08:02.199 --> 02:08:03.239
<v Speaker 2>got to clean it up a little bit.

2755
02:08:03.399 --> 02:08:03.520
<v Speaker 15>You know.

2756
02:08:03.600 --> 02:08:05.560
<v Speaker 2>There are several plays around the course of this year

2757
02:08:05.560 --> 02:08:08.159
<v Speaker 2>where I feel like Byu has been able to survive

2758
02:08:09.079 --> 02:08:12.560
<v Speaker 2>his mistakes and make up for them with special teams,

2759
02:08:12.640 --> 02:08:16.039
<v Speaker 2>touchdowns or defensive ca you know, Havoc plays. But the

2760
02:08:16.079 --> 02:08:18.159
<v Speaker 2>past couple of weeks they've not been able to survive

2761
02:08:18.239 --> 02:08:24.760
<v Speaker 2>his mistakes. So the scenario now for BYU is pretty simple. Unfortunately,

2762
02:08:24.840 --> 02:08:27.800
<v Speaker 2>they no longer only control their own destiny. They are

2763
02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:30.880
<v Speaker 2>a healthy favorite at this point. The line is thirteen

2764
02:08:30.960 --> 02:08:35.119
<v Speaker 2>point five over Houston coming up in Provo on Saturday night.

2765
02:08:35.239 --> 02:08:36.960
<v Speaker 1>It's going to be a late kick. Looks like that's

2766
02:08:36.960 --> 02:08:38.119
<v Speaker 1>gonna be about eight to fifteen.

2767
02:08:38.760 --> 02:08:42.560
<v Speaker 2>But they also need either Arizona State or Iowa State

2768
02:08:42.720 --> 02:08:46.640
<v Speaker 2>to lose. Iowa State closes out with K State at home,

2769
02:08:46.840 --> 02:08:49.960
<v Speaker 2>and Arizona State does have a rivalry game against Arizona

2770
02:08:50.840 --> 02:08:53.840
<v Speaker 2>on the road, so BYU at one point it looked

2771
02:08:53.920 --> 02:08:56.319
<v Speaker 2>like it was going to be BYU in Colorado, and

2772
02:08:56.560 --> 02:08:58.199
<v Speaker 2>part of me was pulling for that because I thought

2773
02:08:58.199 --> 02:08:59.359
<v Speaker 2>it would be a lot of fun to see that

2774
02:09:00.119 --> 02:09:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Iowa stayed is a slight favorite at home over K

2775
02:09:02.920 --> 02:09:05.279
<v Speaker 2>State to get that win. As of right now, K

2776
02:09:05.399 --> 02:09:07.399
<v Speaker 2>State's good football team, though, so we'll kind of see

2777
02:09:07.399 --> 02:09:10.680
<v Speaker 2>how that plays out, and then anything can happen. As

2778
02:09:10.760 --> 02:09:14.079
<v Speaker 2>we know here in our market, when two rivals go

2779
02:09:14.319 --> 02:09:17.039
<v Speaker 2>toe to toe. Arizona got Arizona State a year ago.

2780
02:09:17.880 --> 02:09:20.640
<v Speaker 2>It's a much different team at this point. Arizona State,

2781
02:09:20.800 --> 02:09:24.039
<v Speaker 2>even though they are the road team, their nine point

2782
02:09:24.119 --> 02:09:27.680
<v Speaker 2>five point favorite, So Vegas is saying that the odds

2783
02:09:27.720 --> 02:09:30.359
<v Speaker 2>are BYU will not get the help they need with

2784
02:09:30.439 --> 02:09:34.800
<v Speaker 2>either Arizona State or Iowa State losing. But it's college

2785
02:09:34.840 --> 02:09:39.600
<v Speaker 2>football and every weekend chaos ensues and pro football. This

2786
02:09:39.760 --> 02:09:43.000
<v Speaker 2>weekend chaos ensued all over the place. Speaking of pro football,

2787
02:09:43.760 --> 02:09:45.520
<v Speaker 2>we are your home of the NFL in this market.

2788
02:09:45.600 --> 02:09:47.680
<v Speaker 2>So when we say goodnight, we're going to turn it

2789
02:09:47.760 --> 02:09:49.920
<v Speaker 2>over to Bill and Craig Smith for the Craig Smith

2790
02:09:50.000 --> 02:09:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Coaches Show. Then when that's done, we will join Monday

2791
02:09:53.960 --> 02:09:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Night football in real time. It is the Harball Bowl

2792
02:09:57.039 --> 02:09:59.520
<v Speaker 2>with the Chargers and the Ravens doing battle. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>before you break, I want to tell you about my

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<v Speaker 2>ninety one hundred. That's eighth one, eight five zero ninety

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the number, It's eight oh one eight five zero

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02:10:48.800 --> 02:10:51.520
<v Speaker 1>ninety one hundred. This the song Michael Scott.

2812
02:10:51.319 --> 02:10:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Tried to carry karaoko karaoke to at Jim's party he

2813
02:10:55.119 --> 02:10:57.880
<v Speaker 2>wasn't invited to and made it awkward. I feel like

2814
02:10:57.920 --> 02:10:59.359
<v Speaker 2>there's an office tie to this song.

2815
02:10:59.600 --> 02:11:02.560
<v Speaker 4>There is a couple office ties to Kenny Rogers for sure.

2816
02:11:03.720 --> 02:11:05.720
<v Speaker 4>You might be right on that one. They do the

2817
02:11:05.760 --> 02:11:06.920
<v Speaker 4>book signing thing too.

2818
02:11:07.239 --> 02:11:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's one of the more I'm a fan of

2819
02:11:09.640 --> 02:11:12.239
<v Speaker 2>awkward humor. I know some people that cannot watch the

2820
02:11:12.319 --> 02:11:15.439
<v Speaker 2>office like Scott's Tots Oh, Dinner Party.

2821
02:11:15.680 --> 02:11:18.199
<v Speaker 1>Dinner Party is rough, bro, It's.

2822
02:11:19.159 --> 02:11:22.760
<v Speaker 4>A unique comedy where it is, like some of it,

2823
02:11:22.880 --> 02:11:27.720
<v Speaker 4>you'd really have to understand the characters, the relationships, the

2824
02:11:28.399 --> 02:11:30.560
<v Speaker 4>whole tie in. But man, it is awkward, and it's

2825
02:11:31.079 --> 02:11:32.520
<v Speaker 4>as awkward as it gets on television.

2826
02:11:32.600 --> 02:11:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Good luck paying for my TV with your zero dollar

2827
02:11:35.119 --> 02:11:39.199
<v Speaker 2>your salary, babe, which he breaks his plasma TV like

2828
02:11:39.520 --> 02:11:42.479
<v Speaker 2>with his dundee the four inch TV. I love it

2829
02:11:42.520 --> 02:11:44.159
<v Speaker 2>when he pushes it against the wall. He's like, it

2830
02:11:44.199 --> 02:11:45.920
<v Speaker 2>comes with the cool feature and he just like pushes

2831
02:11:45.960 --> 02:11:46.800
<v Speaker 2>it back against the wall.

2832
02:11:46.920 --> 02:11:48.880
<v Speaker 4>That's a top five episode for sure.

2833
02:11:48.960 --> 02:11:49.720
<v Speaker 1>It is hilarious.

2834
02:11:50.479 --> 02:11:52.199
<v Speaker 2>You got a little nard dog in there, which of

2835
02:11:52.279 --> 02:11:55.920
<v Speaker 2>course is always a good thing. All right, real quick,

2836
02:11:57.199 --> 02:11:59.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, I do not watch a lot of MLS.

2837
02:11:59.560 --> 02:12:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I only watch RSL. I was struck though, over the

2838
02:12:03.279 --> 02:12:06.079
<v Speaker 2>weekend because after some of the games are wrapped up,

2839
02:12:06.119 --> 02:12:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I noticed that the the Western Conference semi final between

2840
02:12:10.880 --> 02:12:16.319
<v Speaker 2>LAFC and Seattle was on television. LAFC, of course Los

2841
02:12:16.359 --> 02:12:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Angeles Soccer Club.

2842
02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:18.920
<v Speaker 1>It was in LA.

2843
02:12:20.279 --> 02:12:24.039
<v Speaker 2>And every time LAFC had a corner kick, the cameraman

2844
02:12:24.119 --> 02:12:27.800
<v Speaker 2>would pan over and be like, well, there's Colin Hanks again,

2845
02:12:27.880 --> 02:12:29.960
<v Speaker 2>trying to motivate everybody to stand up for the court.

2846
02:12:30.000 --> 02:12:32.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you're in LA and the dude you got

2847
02:12:32.520 --> 02:12:35.720
<v Speaker 2>to tell people to stand up was Colin Hanks. Like

2848
02:12:35.880 --> 02:12:39.680
<v Speaker 2>that's the biggest that's the biggest celebrity available, Colin Hill

2849
02:12:39.800 --> 02:12:41.720
<v Speaker 2>is that it's Tom's kid.

2850
02:12:41.920 --> 02:12:44.600
<v Speaker 4>Not even Oh, I guess he's the So Tom has

2851
02:12:44.680 --> 02:12:48.920
<v Speaker 4>two kids, Colin is gone into acting. His other kid

2852
02:12:49.079 --> 02:12:54.039
<v Speaker 4>is like kind of an influencer, weirdo guy. Yeah, you

2853
02:12:54.079 --> 02:12:54.560
<v Speaker 4>could do better.

2854
02:12:54.600 --> 02:12:56.399
<v Speaker 1>Probly, what is Colin Hanks done?

2855
02:12:57.159 --> 02:12:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know. I just and by the way,

2856
02:12:59.159 --> 02:13:01.079
<v Speaker 2>it'd be one think if it was like, all right,

2857
02:13:01.119 --> 02:13:03.199
<v Speaker 2>well cool, Colin Hanks is here and just show him

2858
02:13:03.239 --> 02:13:07.199
<v Speaker 2>real quick. But that's the guy there was like motivating

2859
02:13:07.680 --> 02:13:09.960
<v Speaker 2>fans to stand up for corner Kicks. It was it

2860
02:13:10.119 --> 02:13:12.399
<v Speaker 2>was Colin Hanks. So, so, I guess that tells you

2861
02:13:12.439 --> 02:13:15.560
<v Speaker 2>where MLS is at at this He was in that

2862
02:13:15.680 --> 02:13:17.920
<v Speaker 2>thing You Do, which of course was produced by his

2863
02:13:18.039 --> 02:13:20.239
<v Speaker 2>dad and porter. Why don't you remind the folks our

2864
02:13:20.479 --> 02:13:22.359
<v Speaker 2>stance on NEPO babies here on the program?

2865
02:13:23.159 --> 02:13:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Can't win with them?

2866
02:13:24.680 --> 02:13:30.239
<v Speaker 2>All right, Okay, I'm out. I didn't tell you this

2867
02:13:30.359 --> 02:13:32.439
<v Speaker 2>prior to but I've I've had it. That's enough.

2868
02:13:33.399 --> 02:13:37.439
<v Speaker 1>You'll not hear me speaking into this microphone ever again

2869
02:13:38.760 --> 02:13:43.119
<v Speaker 1>or until next Monday. Where you h I'm going home

2870
02:13:43.199 --> 02:13:43.760
<v Speaker 1>for the holiday.

2871
02:13:43.840 --> 02:13:43.960
<v Speaker 8>Man.

2872
02:13:44.479 --> 02:13:46.520
<v Speaker 1>My son is living back east. My family of course

2873
02:13:46.600 --> 02:13:47.079
<v Speaker 1>is back there.

2874
02:13:47.199 --> 02:13:50.560
<v Speaker 2>So coming up tomorrow and on Wednesday, it will be

2875
02:13:50.680 --> 02:13:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Porter and our guy Tony Tony Parks filling in for

2876
02:13:55.000 --> 02:13:58.960
<v Speaker 2>both Tuesday and Wednesday show. We're off Thursday and Friday.

2877
02:13:59.800 --> 02:14:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Then I will be back on Monday. So Porter, before

2878
02:14:02.319 --> 02:14:03.800
<v Speaker 2>we get out of here, what should our listeners know

2879
02:14:03.880 --> 02:14:05.279
<v Speaker 2>about your Tuesday show?

2880
02:14:05.399 --> 02:14:07.880
<v Speaker 4>Hey, you mentioned it, Tony Parks and I'll be in studio.

2881
02:14:08.119 --> 02:14:10.479
<v Speaker 4>Tim mcmannle stop by for the NBA Daily Assist. Well,

2882
02:14:10.680 --> 02:14:14.279
<v Speaker 4>we'll give you a Big twelve Power poll on a Tuesday.

2883
02:14:14.640 --> 02:14:16.920
<v Speaker 4>Kevin Reynolds of the Tribune will give us the latest

2884
02:14:16.960 --> 02:14:21.159
<v Speaker 4>on BYU in there Big twelve title. Chase. I invited

2885
02:14:21.239 --> 02:14:23.840
<v Speaker 4>Dave Fox in h You're not gonna be here, so

2886
02:14:24.079 --> 02:14:26.239
<v Speaker 4>he's probably not gonna even acknowledge it.

2887
02:14:26.359 --> 02:14:28.439
<v Speaker 1>Are you serious? Is that how he rolls?

2888
02:14:29.279 --> 02:14:31.039
<v Speaker 4>We'll see, we'll see if he's we'll see if he's

2889
02:14:31.079 --> 02:14:33.439
<v Speaker 4>listening tonight, if he's listening tonight and he heard this,

2890
02:14:33.920 --> 02:14:36.039
<v Speaker 4>he's gonna get offended and he'll text me back immediately.

2891
02:14:36.439 --> 02:14:38.520
<v Speaker 4>If not, I'll probably hear from him next week.

2892
02:14:38.560 --> 02:14:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I'll give him some guff tonight.

2893
02:14:40.039 --> 02:14:40.840
<v Speaker 4>Don't do it, don't do it?

2894
02:14:40.920 --> 02:14:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well not see, okay, fair enough. This is a

2895
02:14:43.439 --> 02:14:44.600
<v Speaker 2>test for day Fox, all right?

2896
02:14:45.159 --> 02:14:46.600
<v Speaker 1>And is that it for Tuesday show?

2897
02:14:46.720 --> 02:14:47.000
<v Speaker 8>For now?

2898
02:14:47.039 --> 02:14:48.159
<v Speaker 1>All right? No, that's fun.

2899
02:14:48.239 --> 02:14:50.199
<v Speaker 2>So make sure to give Porter and Tony your ears

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02:14:50.199 --> 02:14:52.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'll talk to you guys one week from today,

2901
02:14:53.399 --> 02:14:55.279
<v Speaker 2>so we will say good night. Special thank you to

2902
02:14:55.479 --> 02:14:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Steve Young, Tom Haberstrow, Richard Smith and doctor Chris Hill.

2903
02:14:58.960 --> 02:15:00.520
<v Speaker 2>If any of the sound you may miss from the show,

2904
02:15:01.319 --> 02:15:04.119
<v Speaker 2>head on over to the website. It's ESPN seven hundred

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02:15:04.159 --> 02:15:06.920
<v Speaker 2>sports dot com. Make sure to download our mobile app

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02:15:12.399 --> 02:15:14.319
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<v Speaker 2>do in our space for four hours every afternoon, check

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<v Speaker 2>Give us a good rating, and you will be eternally

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<v Speaker 2>blessed for Porter. I'm spent saying tonight. Have a great

2915
02:15:34.000 --> 02:15:36.319
<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving week, guys. I just want to say I'm grateful

2916
02:15:36.399 --> 02:15:38.279
<v Speaker 2>for all of you. If you listen to this show man,

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02:15:38.359 --> 02:15:40.239
<v Speaker 2>it means the world to us. So be good yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>be good to each other. Porter Tony Tomorrow Wednesday. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you next Monday. Catch all the action as always,

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<v Speaker 2>right here on ESPN seven hundred