Speaker 1: Oh Medal, that are.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy and I am the Cajun nine, Am Raven Lee,
Speaker 2: and today we are going to be diving into a
Speaker 2: conspiratorial topic that, while it may not sound very pertinent
Speaker 2: on the onset to what is going on right now
Speaker 2: in our world and in our zeitgeist, I promise it
Speaker 2: is absolutely right there in the mix of what is
Speaker 2: happening in our current day and age. So Ravenly, you're
Speaker 2: somebody who's relatively new to diving into the conspiratorial talking headspace, right.
Speaker 2: You know about some conspiratorial things, of course, But let's
Speaker 2: just go back here a bit. You know who Alex
Speaker 2: Jones is?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Okay? Do you know Coast to Coast AM Radio with
Speaker 4: Art Bell?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 2: So Art Bell was essentially the godfather to conspiracy podcasting
Speaker 2: before podcasting was a thing. He had an AM radio
Speaker 2: station that would play on certain AM stations for like
Speaker 2: certain times. My dad used to listen to him when
Speaker 2: he'd be working, like night shifts or something like that,
Speaker 2: and he'd only be on AM radio.
Speaker 3: God Like, I remember listening to AM radio here and there.
Speaker 3: I remember Grahama flipping back and forth to it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just can't remember a lot of like stuff that
Speaker 3: was on there.
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever. My dad stayed on some
Speaker 2: AM radio.
Speaker 3: The difference between A and FM though, like in genuinely
Speaker 3: like the content.
Speaker 2: Mostly AM radio was talk radio, NonStop. FM radio is
Speaker 2: more often than not music.
Speaker 3: That makes more sense. I'm just not a super talk
Speaker 3: radio person.
Speaker 2: Nor was I growing up, but my dad was listening
Speaker 2: to a lot of conservative radio.
Speaker 4: A little uh Jabo, a little ed Bud.
Speaker 2: You know, certain people that know about this timeframe will
Speaker 2: definitely resonate with what I'm talking about. And then, of course,
Speaker 2: for anybody in the South who recognizes old Walton and
Speaker 2: Johnson in the morning r.
Speaker 3: Ip, I thought there's still around.
Speaker 2: Well, one of them died and so the intern Ken
Speaker 2: has taken over and the show was still doing fairly
Speaker 2: successfully for.
Speaker 3: I've heard that, at least I know that.
Speaker 2: But it's I mean, when the guy that did half
Speaker 2: of the voices dies, you know what I mean, It's
Speaker 2: pretty tough, really is, and the show is awesome.
Speaker 4: I loved it back in the day.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so Art Bell was the conspiracy radio host,
Speaker 2: and he would have people on. Some of these people
Speaker 2: would be you know, government whistleblowers that.
Speaker 4: Were coming on talking about it. And then other times
Speaker 4: he would have a time traveler on the show, a time.
Speaker 2: Traveler or somebody who was clearly abducted by the aliens.
Speaker 2: He would never judge, he would never call them out.
Speaker 2: He would just sit there and be like, okay, so
Speaker 2: tell me more about this, and just like he would
Speaker 2: commit to the bit no matter what the bit was.
Speaker 2: Art Bell was there for all the buffoonery, all the smoke,
Speaker 2: and it was great.
Speaker 4: Times, right, I like it. Oh, he was solid, the
Speaker 4: man of the people.
Speaker 2: Then he went from AM to internet radio essentially and
Speaker 2: not like XAM. He got his own website and that
Speaker 2: just primarily became what he would do.
Speaker 4: And you know it was it was an era for sure.
Speaker 2: But before Art Bell really made his way into the
Speaker 2: AMS talking space, there was a guy in New York
Speaker 2: who was doing wild things on public access television by
Speaker 2: the name of Clay Tiffany. And I promise you've never
Speaker 2: heard of this guy, and most of our cult members
Speaker 2: have probably never heard of him, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: Two weeks ago, I had never heard of this guy.
Speaker 2: I saw a YouTube clip talking about how this guy,
Speaker 2: through a weird chain of events, has a direct connection
Speaker 2: with his death and Jeffrey Epstein and his death.
Speaker 4: And I was like, all.
Speaker 2: Right, you have you have my attention because this guy's
Speaker 2: afro is looking like Bob Ross.
Speaker 4: He almost seems like he's got something wrong with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you'll understand whenever I play a clip from
Speaker 2: him later, you'll see you'll get it. Like I'm not
Speaker 2: saying a touch of the tism, but I'm saying like
Speaker 2: something's something extra is going on up top, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 3: But whatever is the divergence strong?
Speaker 4: Sure, And like maybe that was a part of the bit, right.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was a very normal guy outside of the camera,
Speaker 2: but on camera he was like committing to the bit.
Speaker 3: I have a bunch of jobs. Was he a weird
Speaker 3: basement driller. Well, he.
Speaker 2: Didn't really have a career anywhere, and I don't believe
Speaker 2: he ever made a dime off of his public access show.
Speaker 4: He was a taxi driver for a bit. He did
Speaker 4: odd jobs here and there.
Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, yeah, to your point, might be
Speaker 2: a type. But I don't want to just throw shade
Speaker 2: at him, because you also have to understand that this
Speaker 2: guy with his public access show again in and around
Speaker 2: the New York area. What he decided to do was
Speaker 2: call out corruption that he would see with government officials,
Speaker 2: with journalists with mafia ties, to police officers.
Speaker 4: That's oh, it was very ballsy. And again he didn't
Speaker 4: have like a big following.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he had some avid listeners and viewers, but
Speaker 2: for the most part he was relatively in the realm
Speaker 2: of obscurity until he started correctly naming certain police officers
Speaker 2: that were obviously mafia connected. Long story short, he pissed
Speaker 2: into the wrong bull of cheerios. And then this guy
Speaker 2: named Nicholas Taglioni, which if you that name sounds semi familiar,
Speaker 2: there's a reason because he was at Jeffrey Epstein's cellmate
Speaker 2: and oh apparently back when he was a street cop
Speaker 2: in New York and in different areas. He was in
Speaker 2: Yonkers at one point, he was in Bridgeton Manor. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk about his his track record as well,
Speaker 2: because he kept going department to department because of him
Speaker 2: being overly aggressive and beating.
Speaker 4: The shit out of people.
Speaker 2: So your boy Clay Tiffany calls him out, you know,
Speaker 2: by name, and mentions the fact that he is muscle
Speaker 2: for the Bonano crime family and if anybody doesn't know
Speaker 2: who that is, that's one of the five main families
Speaker 2: of New York City as far as mafia is concerned.
Speaker 2: And uh, the cop came and paid him a visit
Speaker 2: and beat the shit out of him. Some reports say
Speaker 2: two times, some reports say four times. He absolutely was
Speaker 2: hospitalized because of one of these beatdowns that took place a.
Speaker 3: Long story committed. He was committed to telling the truth,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 2: He didn't care like he had nothing to lose. He
Speaker 2: had no wife, for kids, as far as we could tell,
Speaker 2: he had no familial connections.
Speaker 3: To hybophixated on this and was not letting it go.
Speaker 2: It was whatever a beat down and then he some
Speaker 2: would say, actually ended.
Speaker 4: Up dying on this hill.
Speaker 3: Oh geez.
Speaker 2: So whenever I found out about old Clay Tiffany, I
Speaker 2: was thinking, like, yeo, we'll probably do an episode on
Speaker 2: him sometime the next couple weeks.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's a cool one. It's a fun one.
Speaker 2: But now that all the Epstein stuff is coming out
Speaker 2: like it is, it's really worth our time and energy
Speaker 2: to talk about Clay Tiffany now and the connection to
Speaker 2: Nicholas Tartaglioni, and then talk about the Epstein murder and
Speaker 2: now we're gonna not suicide by the way, murder.
Speaker 4: Then the next episode we're going.
Speaker 2: To shoot tomorrow is going to be about the new releases.
Speaker 3: Yes, so it's gonna be definitely about the breakdown. I
Speaker 3: found some really interesting people that are like of the
Speaker 3: law pretty much, and they break it down for us
Speaker 3: simpletons on what it actually means that the law that
Speaker 3: Trump just passed for the Epstein files and what actually
Speaker 3: is going to happen, and what it means to have
Speaker 3: an open court case now for New York, and how
Speaker 3: it pertains to these files, and how it pertains to
Speaker 3: them dropping the they keep saying over and over again,
Speaker 3: maximum transparency is what they're trying to have. Maximum transparency
Speaker 3: under the law is what they the term that they
Speaker 3: keep using over and over again. Well, there's a reason
Speaker 3: why they're saying it just like that. And so I
Speaker 3: found a lot of articles and a lot of things
Speaker 3: that break it down and explain what we're seeing. But
Speaker 3: also the images that were shown. So there's two videos
Speaker 3: and there's images that were photos that were released and
Speaker 3: on top of everything else. But you'll see it all
Speaker 3: over TikTok right now, the people talking about it, the videos,
Speaker 3: they keep showing this statue and I'm trying to find
Speaker 3: I recognize this statue specifically. I just cannot remember, for
Speaker 3: the life of me who the artist is, So I'm
Speaker 3: currently still trying to find the artist. But this photo
Speaker 3: that caught my eye the most is this blackboard that
Speaker 3: has redacted words on it, but one of them has
Speaker 3: music as a part of certain words power. I can't
Speaker 3: remember the other word, but I will read it. But
Speaker 3: pretty much the music thing is going to be it's
Speaker 3: going to turn into its own episode. I decided that
Speaker 3: it was way too much information about how music and rituals,
Speaker 3: especially being in this specific person's house, and why that
Speaker 3: would be left, because if you see the videos, the
Speaker 3: house in and of itself is like sterile, clean, yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's all white, So why would they leave these
Speaker 3: specific words on a blackboard that looks like, by the way,
Speaker 3: that there's rooms behind those blackboards. If you look at
Speaker 3: the photo, it definitely looks like it's a secret wall
Speaker 3: to go into another like tunnel or something else that's
Speaker 3: behind it. But that being said, we are gonna get
Speaker 3: to all of it everyone. I know that we've had
Speaker 3: some cult members reach out to me at least and
Speaker 3: seeing that they would like us to talk about Epstein.
Speaker 3: I was honestly just waiting for the last twenty four
Speaker 3: hours to unfold, because as we've been seeing, it's every
Speaker 3: hour they're dropping new stuff. There's been like forty five
Speaker 3: articles just in the last three hour hours.
Speaker 2: And we're also this is only going to be an
Speaker 2: update because I guarantee in another month or two more
Speaker 2: things are going to be uncovered, and in another six months,
Speaker 2: another year, some more things are going to come to light.
Speaker 2: So like, this is not gonna be the end all,
Speaker 2: be all, final word.
Speaker 4: On jell oh No.
Speaker 3: So because in July she said that there was nothing
Speaker 3: to see here, you know, pretty much move on. And
Speaker 3: the reason why she got called out in the press conference, Hey,
Speaker 3: so why did you see this bullshit? Now you're pretty
Speaker 3: much giving us this Her thing was, is there suddenly
Speaker 3: new evidence that has come to light? They suddenly that
Speaker 3: they are now reopening a case in that why they
Speaker 3: have decided to release thirty three thousand pieces of information.
Speaker 3: I guess you could say, but when I was looking
Speaker 3: into it, they said that there was like at least
Speaker 3: a terrorbyte worth of shit. So you're talking like thirty
Speaker 3: three thousand files versus a terabyte. Yeah, so they gave
Speaker 3: us a drop in a bucket, but they pretty much
Speaker 3: aren't really They might, I'll give him that. They maybe
Speaker 3: will release one hundred thousand if we're lucky of what
Speaker 3: actually is going on. But the photos that they released,
Speaker 3: they have a they even redacted the collarless.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I've even seen I've seen so many things
Speaker 4: about Stephen Hawkings being at Epstein Island more in the
Speaker 4: last yeah, in the last three days.
Speaker 2: Apparently he was a part of these orgies. And it's like,
Speaker 2: first of all, no, he wasn't, like that's.
Speaker 3: He might have torture people or something.
Speaker 4: He could only move a portion of one of his cheeks,
Speaker 4: so like.
Speaker 3: That's but didn't he like to watch something. Wasn't that
Speaker 3: guy that liked to watch some creepy ass shit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was him, And like so I'm not saying
Speaker 2: he's like innocent or whatever, but it's like that I thought,
Speaker 2: see again, because of the line of work that I'm in,
Speaker 2: we heard about Stephen Hawking being on the Island years.
Speaker 3: Ago, yeah, in twenty nineteen, right.
Speaker 4: And so now all of a sudden, that's like back
Speaker 4: hot again.
Speaker 2: I know should have seen like probably ten content creators
Speaker 2: bring that up over the last three days, and it's like, y'all,
Speaker 2: this is the same as like bringing up MLK being
Speaker 2: a degenerate, Like, y'all, we know that it's not a
Speaker 2: hot take anymore.
Speaker 3: There is a guy that we're gonna bring up. We're
Speaker 3: actually gonna watch his YouTube video. He's fantastic. He breaks
Speaker 3: down all the different information in chronological order of who's
Speaker 3: been mentioned and why, and it's like thirteen minutes long,
Speaker 3: but it's actually does a fantastic job better than I
Speaker 3: feel like I would actually explain it all. But there's
Speaker 3: so many parts to this is such an entangled web
Speaker 3: of lies, and you're talking just alone JP mortgage drop that. Hey,
Speaker 3: by the way, this just the sex graphicking ring is
Speaker 3: worth one billion right now that they supposedly can track
Speaker 3: quote quit it's just what they can track. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I was, there's so much to it, Like when we
Speaker 3: talk about it, I'm going to try to get as
Speaker 3: much information as I can as of like today, But
Speaker 3: it's it's one of those scenes that's going to be
Speaker 3: never ending. I feel like a decade from now, we're
Speaker 3: still going to be talking about Jeffrey Epstein and the
Speaker 3: files that are going to be the most elusive thing
Speaker 3: that has ever existed, kind of like you know, the
Speaker 3: moon landing, how it's still being talked about, still being debated.
Speaker 3: I just saw something last night about one of the
Speaker 3: actual Ashtonites fighting this guy that was a bald dude
Speaker 3: and the old boy like lost as cool.
Speaker 4: I don't know, he's known to punch people who say
Speaker 4: he never went to the moon. He's the marine.
Speaker 3: Oh the old guy. Yeah, oh man. He was just
Speaker 3: like so in face, He's like, what the fuck are
Speaker 3: you talking about? No, it was the old The ball
Speaker 3: guy was like he was the one that was a
Speaker 3: flat Arthur conspiracy theorists or something something like that, and
Speaker 3: pretty much he was out the gate haveing attitude with
Speaker 3: the old I guess marine, and I forget who was who.
Speaker 3: But I was like, oh, this is an interesting little thing.
Speaker 3: But I mean they're still talking about it, so that
Speaker 3: I feel like it's gonna be the same thing with
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein and this whole entanglement and Maxwell's trying to
Speaker 3: get released from prison and probably honestly will at the
Speaker 3: rate that it's going like she's it's one of those things.
Speaker 3: And Clinton's going down too good. So that's all over
Speaker 3: the internet. That is like spur headspur of trying to
Speaker 3: take out Hillary so.
Speaker 4: And so wow, that's going on.
Speaker 2: Epstein's cellmate, the one who is in question on this
Speaker 2: very episode, is also trying to get a presidential pardon
Speaker 2: for he's in jail right now for brutally murdering four
Speaker 2: people on his land. We're gonna get to all of it,
Speaker 2: as far as the mafia ties goes and everything and
Speaker 2: all of these things. That guy who is Jeffrey Epstein's
Speaker 2: last known cellmate who allegedly threatened him weeks prior whatever,
Speaker 2: he is now seeking a presidential parton and he's trying
Speaker 2: to go through RFK Junior to do it. What let's
Speaker 2: get into a good cult members.
Speaker 3: My gosh, we need to get into this and yeave
Speaker 3: ho how the web has been spun and how it
Speaker 3: continues to unravel as we go.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you now, brace for impact, not that
Speaker 2: there's gonna be anything, be like, oh, it's not gonna
Speaker 2: be like that. It's more like, wait, what, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a whirlwind pretty much start to finish. But it
Speaker 2: all starts from Clay Tiffany himself, So let's get into it.
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Speaker 3: It's a cult fam.
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Speaker 3: though that the Cult fam and all the Patreon members
Speaker 3: that we've been reading the messages, y'all have great taste
Speaker 3: of music, and I feel like we should all go
Speaker 3: to a rock concert together. I'm a big concert goer
Speaker 3: and I would love to meet up and go to
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of concerts. I mean, I have friends
Speaker 3: all over the country that I've just made from concerts.
Speaker 3: Like we just talk concerts, We meet up at concerts,
Speaker 3: we go hang out and party at concerts, and then
Speaker 3: that's it. I'll see you again to the next one.
Speaker 3: So I'm totally down. So if we have any Cult
Speaker 3: members that want to go hit up some concerts, let's
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Speaker 2: One of these days we need to do a cult
Speaker 2: member meet up for the hell of it. And why
Speaker 2: not a concert, you know, We've talked about doing it
Speaker 2: at Mardi Gras, but like, I don't know how many.
Speaker 4: Of our cult members are okay with seeing a body.
Speaker 3: I don't seen a body during Marty Gras.
Speaker 2: No, you've seen a body in New Orleans. You may
Speaker 2: have thought it was a homeless dude sleeping. No, that
Speaker 2: was a dead person.
Speaker 3: To be fair, I probably didn't care, but I didn't
Speaker 3: like recognize. But no, I mean, we have been to
Speaker 3: several parades where they're shootings during the parade, during the
Speaker 3: after party.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. I don't mind that.
Speaker 2: You don't mind that, but some of our cult members,
Speaker 2: not all, not all, but some might be.
Speaker 4: A little mean.
Speaker 3: And I minded it when of my kids were there.
Speaker 3: But like, I mean, it is what it is. You
Speaker 3: got to definitely, Uh, it's not all parades, but you
Speaker 3: just it's typical when people get in large groups where
Speaker 3: there's lots of alcohol. Just keep your head on a
Speaker 3: swivel kind of a vibe.
Speaker 4: But we will make a cult member meet up happen one.
Speaker 3: Of these days, but maybe Texas.
Speaker 4: Maybe very possibly.
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Speaker 2: on this very important, very critical episode of the Cult Conspiracy.
Speaker 2: All right, so let's start off with this first article here.
Speaker 2: This is thoughts from the back room, from the back
Speaker 2: of the room rather words matter. This is also the
Speaker 2: title of This is the Greatest Gadfly. That might sound weird,
Speaker 2: but it's gonna make sense here in a moment the legend.
Speaker 2: For me, there is only one personality who stands atop
Speaker 2: the Gadfly Hall of Fame, the late great Clay Tiffany
Speaker 2: and his masterpiece of public access television Dirge for the Charlatans.
Speaker 4: I love it. That was his name.
Speaker 3: That is okay, good for him. That is a fro
Speaker 3: man bro.
Speaker 4: Look your boy has not.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe I don't think Tiffany is a
Speaker 2: is a Jewish name, but I mean maybe that was
Speaker 2: a stage name. To my knowledge, that was his actual
Speaker 2: legal name. But yeah, he was just got that John
Speaker 2: c Riley hare that that Bob rossfrow going on. And
Speaker 2: you'll see because we have videos of him. As a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, some of his videos are still up
Speaker 2: on YouTube to this day, and I'm sure they've been
Speaker 2: you know, modernized in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 4: But he he was one of the most just doing
Speaker 4: it for the for the truly, for the love of
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 4: So let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Clay Tiffany's unusual appearance and voice were the epitome of
Speaker 2: a smirk, underscored by his signature catchphrase, all right, yeah
Speaker 2: that you'll understand, I understand it. Basically, he'd be making
Speaker 2: a point, all right, and so I'm just gonna say this,
Speaker 2: why don't we do it this way?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: After everything he said.
Speaker 4: Essentially think of mister Mackie.
Speaker 3: Okay, he was really what I thought about it.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, standing tall, his blazing red afro,
Speaker 2: permanently scowling face and wardrobe that always looked cold. From
Speaker 2: the rack labeled nineteen fifties muck racking reporter at the
Speaker 2: local community theater wardrobe closet.
Speaker 4: He was awesome.
Speaker 3: The red afro. Oh man, he's a fucking ginger doo
Speaker 3: on top of everything.
Speaker 4: Oh he had the full on ginger frow going on.
Speaker 3: Dude, this guy is just awesome.
Speaker 4: Oh he's I love him. I absolutely love it.
Speaker 2: And then when we hear about what he was talking
Speaker 2: about and the way he wasn't like pulling punches like
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: They say some police officer.
Speaker 2: So no, he's like, oh, by the way, this guy
Speaker 2: John Smith, where's the justice that judge a brum and
Speaker 2: this And it's like, oh, oh no, you're just calling
Speaker 2: them out.
Speaker 3: He's he's here for all the smoke and then some
Speaker 3: oh yes.
Speaker 2: So Timfany was relentless. His diatribes were part Perry Mason
Speaker 2: and part Perry White. A punacious fearless led to him
Speaker 2: or fearlessness led him into constant verbal, legal, and sadly
Speaker 2: violent physical confrontations with elected officials and public servants throughout
Speaker 2: the small village of Briarcliff Manor in Westchester County, New York.
Speaker 2: So he was also recklessly tough. Clay never let anyone
Speaker 2: intimidate him, sometimes to his detriment. Mayor, commissioner, judge clerk,
Speaker 2: and police departments all exchanged shots with him. Even the
Speaker 2: Westchester County District Attorney and later Fox Spectacle and currently
Speaker 2: US Attorney for the District of Columbia, Janine Piro, heard
Speaker 2: him loudly, publicly and obnoxiously.
Speaker 4: You do you know, Janine Piro?
Speaker 3: I actually don't. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4: You know what we're gonna I'm gonna show her for
Speaker 4: just a second.
Speaker 3: I do not know who this is, but.
Speaker 2: I promise you will as soon as you see a
Speaker 2: picture of her. Oh oh yes, Janine Piro. He took
Speaker 2: shots at her, and she acknowledged him enough to fire back.
Speaker 2: Not actual, not actual, like gunshots.
Speaker 3: Like okay, God, I'm terrible with names people. I know
Speaker 3: that a lot of people are gonna like crash out
Speaker 3: because I'm terrible with names. I'm not gonna lie. I'm
Speaker 3: I'm terrible with people that I know, and they tell
Speaker 3: me their names and I'm like, what is your name again?
Speaker 3: Faces I'll remember forever, so just don't judge me. But
Speaker 3: that's the.
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn.
Speaker 2: At the time, that was the Westchester County District Attorney.
Speaker 2: Later she became and actually is of this moment, is
Speaker 2: still the US attorney for the District of Columbia.
Speaker 3: Man, he had some fucking balls on him.
Speaker 2: Oh, like the guy left his fucks back in seventy
Speaker 2: five where he found that suit, and like.
Speaker 3: He's in Afro.
Speaker 4: Man, that's it. We're just here. We're doing the most.
Speaker 3: I love this guy already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Janine Pierre heard from him loudly, publicly, and obnoxiously,
Speaker 2: and some of those shots.
Speaker 4: Were nearly deadly.
Speaker 2: Briarcliffe police officer Nick Tartaglioni was often the target of
Speaker 2: Clay's accusations of corruption, civil rights violations, violence, and intimidations,
Speaker 2: pretty much anything a novelist or screenwriter might throw into
Speaker 2: the mix to create a character of a quote unquote
Speaker 2: bad cop. Nick did not like that and allegedly assaulted
Speaker 2: Tiffany several times, once beating him nearly to death. This
Speaker 2: attack triggered an FBI investigation, a major lawsuit with a
Speaker 2: significant settlement in Clay's favor, and Tartaglioni's dismissal from the
Speaker 2: police force, a dismissal that was later reversed with Tartaglioni
Speaker 2: being reinstated and receiving back pay.
Speaker 3: So so the mob got him rehired and and got
Speaker 3: back pay for it.
Speaker 2: We shouldn't sidestep this. He won the case, he got
Speaker 2: awarded two hundred thousand dollars because this guy, this cop
Speaker 2: who like is the epitome of a caricature of a
Speaker 2: bad cop with mob ties. It wasn't like just hypotheticals
Speaker 2: confirmed this guy was dirty. The FBI investigated him, found
Speaker 2: it all to be accurate. Clay Tiffany won a settlement
Speaker 2: over it. Then he gets reinstated as a cop later
Speaker 2: on and got back paid for the whole thing. Because again,
Speaker 2: mafia ties are real, and this is a whole This
Speaker 2: is the whole reason why Clay Tiffany was even talking
Speaker 2: about him in the first place. So tartag Leoni went
Speaker 2: on to bigger and worse headlines, including when we're gonna
Speaker 2: get to in a minute. Four bodies found at home
Speaker 2: of ex briarcliff Man or cop Nick tartag Leoni's estate.
Speaker 3: Four people at his home. He killed four people at
Speaker 3: his home.
Speaker 4: He buried them on his own land.
Speaker 3: Oh, because that's smart, Like, come on, you're a fucking cop, like,
Speaker 3: oh no.
Speaker 4: It's even worse. One guy he strangled to death with
Speaker 4: the zip tie and then made the other three watch.
Speaker 4: Then he made them dig their own graves and then
Speaker 4: execution style shot them. All. We're gonna get to it all.
Speaker 4: We're gonna get to it all. Find that out, okay,
Speaker 4: because they found the bodies.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know what, we'll get to it.
Speaker 4: We'll get to him. Amazing.
Speaker 2: And then more recently, Epstein told lawyers that sellmate Nicholas
Speaker 2: TARTAGLIONI quote unquote roughed him up. So Clay tiffany way
Speaker 2: back in the day was calling out this guy for
Speaker 2: all of this shit. Little did anybody know just how
Speaker 2: deep and connected this dude would get. Because keep in mind,
Speaker 2: the same jail where Jeffrey Epstein was being housed is
Speaker 2: the same prison where John Gotti, at one point in time,
Speaker 2: was being hailed. This was the high profile prison of
Speaker 2: New York. So to find that this dirty cop with
Speaker 2: all of these mob ties also was there and happened
Speaker 2: to be a selly with jeff Epstein.
Speaker 3: I wonder how many mobsters were at Ebstein's parties and
Speaker 3: shit in helping provide girls or kind of last was
Speaker 3: using them.
Speaker 2: I feel like probably not a lot of them. There
Speaker 2: was probably some, for sure, but mobsters can they're already
Speaker 2: a part of the criminal underground. They don't have to
Speaker 2: go to like a third party to find the shit
Speaker 2: they want. They could just go get it.
Speaker 3: Well, there is I mean, I wouldn't say it's a
Speaker 3: theory because there's a lot of evidence supporting it, but
Speaker 3: there is a lot of conversation about Epstein being one
Speaker 3: of like the most well known person throughout the world
Speaker 3: that had connections everywhere that was like the middle person
Speaker 3: that would have parties or host things to where you know,
Speaker 3: big the big wigs would be exchanging things in between
Speaker 3: themselves and he would be collecting dirt on all of them,
Speaker 3: so that way it was an insurance policy. I could
Speaker 3: see a few I could see a situation as to
Speaker 3: why this particular person was put in the cell with
Speaker 3: Epstein and that he quote unquote roughed him up.
Speaker 4: I e.
Speaker 3: Hey, you better shut the fuck up or we're gonna
Speaker 3: kill you vibes. Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2: But I could see the mafia being the ones to
Speaker 2: uh do the dirty deeds of the actual wealthy elites.
Speaker 2: Of the world, which is not something that they have
Speaker 2: been newcomers to by any means.
Speaker 3: Or maybe one of their kids decided to, you know,
Speaker 3: go to a part and there's some evidence and so,
Speaker 3: you know, to protect theirs, it's very possible.
Speaker 2: You got to keep in mind though, the mafia lost
Speaker 2: a lot of their footing for lack of better words,
Speaker 2: in the late seventies and early eighties when Rico became
Speaker 2: a thing. Right, so after the mid eighties to the
Speaker 2: early nineties, a lot of mafia families were forced to
Speaker 2: go legitimate, which is why casinos became more and more
Speaker 2: prevalent of a thing, and some of them got involved.
Speaker 3: With the Mafria was like as as big as it was, Oh,
Speaker 3: you know that it is still heavily present. The underbelly
Speaker 3: of the world is dark and ever reaching.
Speaker 4: But as far as the Italian mafia, though.
Speaker 2: They lost a lot of their power because of Rico,
Speaker 2: they still have their criminal elements for sure, of course,
Speaker 2: not on paper or anything. A lot of it going
Speaker 2: into illegal sports, gambling, extortion, racketeering. A lot of the
Speaker 2: families have actually gone against the drug narrative al together
Speaker 2: other because they see it as bad for business and
Speaker 2: it's just it's messy start to finish. And then whenever
Speaker 2: you get involved with that, you have to make deals
Speaker 2: with the Latina community, you have to deal with the
Speaker 2: black community, you have to deal with all this. And
Speaker 2: like the Italians are super super tight knit, they don't
Speaker 2: like outsiders.
Speaker 4: They will on occasion be okay with a Jew.
Speaker 2: And that's like wild for them, okay, because they're the
Speaker 2: ones that do the books.
Speaker 4: But and that's not like a thing that's all the
Speaker 4: way back to.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm trying to think of the guy's name who
Speaker 2: was a Lucky Luciano's homie, uh Meyer Lanski, who was
Speaker 2: the accountant for the Five Family Commission and later was
Speaker 2: the head of the Jewish mafia as well.
Speaker 4: But that's this is way way, way, way way way
Speaker 4: back in the day.
Speaker 2: So whenever Rico came around, a lot of mafia families
Speaker 2: had to start going legitimate. But you still had your bruisers,
Speaker 2: you still had your your street guys that would be
Speaker 2: doing the things and the stuff the dirt, if you will.
Speaker 3: For those that don't know what Rico is, do you
Speaker 3: want to explain that really quick?
Speaker 2: Nico is I'm trying to remember the actual the acronym
Speaker 2: for it. Matter of fact, I'm just google that real
Speaker 2: quick RICO case meaning, so basically it is what brought
Speaker 2: down organized crime. Okay, So a RICO case involves prosecuting
Speaker 2: individuals for participating in an enterprise like a gang, corporation,
Speaker 2: or political group, through a pattern of racketeering activity, committing
Speaker 2: at least two specific crimes like fraud, bribery, or drug
Speaker 2: dealing within ten years. So RICO stands for the Racketeer,
Speaker 2: Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act. So basically, it wasn't just
Speaker 2: you're arresting this one guy for dealing drugs or being
Speaker 2: a pimp or whatever the case is. If you found
Speaker 2: out that he was connected with an affiliate group, a
Speaker 2: gang of some types that was more than just a
Speaker 2: couple of street thugs. It actually had a real hierarchy
Speaker 2: and rank and file structure to it.
Speaker 4: You could throw RICO onto it. And that is what
Speaker 4: truly brought down the mob.
Speaker 2: That's what's brought down a lot of motorcycle clubs, that's
Speaker 2: what brought down a lot of different family organized crime
Speaker 2: groups in America anyway. So RICO pretty much killed the
Speaker 2: mafia in the United States.
Speaker 4: The glory days for the.
Speaker 2: Mafia, you would argue would be the forties, fifties, sixties,
Speaker 2: and you could argue the seventies, but at that point,
Speaker 2: I don't want to go into a hole mafia spin
Speaker 2: on this. But in the seventies they basically closed the books,
Speaker 2: meaning that they were not taking any more members to
Speaker 2: become what's called made men or like official members of
Speaker 2: these families. They closed the books and the only way
Speaker 2: that you could get inducted into it was if an
Speaker 2: older guy died and they needed to fill the position
Speaker 2: it was. There's a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 2: nuances to all of this, but that's not what this
Speaker 2: episode's about. My point is, though Clay Tiffany was absolutely
Speaker 2: calling these things out way back, got confirmed that it
Speaker 2: was all correct, and then somehow this guy still ended
Speaker 2: up going and committing some Hanus acts, becoming Jeffrey Epstein's selly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: le's just dive into it more here. So, Clay Tiffany
Speaker 2: passed away in March of twenty fifteen. Concerned neighbors notified
Speaker 2: police when they hadn't seen him for a few weeks.
Speaker 4: He had no known family.
Speaker 2: His vast archive of videotapes of Dirge for Charlatan's remains unavailable, however,
Speaker 2: and effort is underway to convert them to digital and
Speaker 2: produce a documentary on the life of the most fantastic
Speaker 2: citizen journalist community Gadfly.
Speaker 4: Few people ever saw. I hope to see it completed
Speaker 4: and shared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like some of his archives, just VHS
Speaker 2: tapes of his his show man.
Speaker 4: It's incredible.
Speaker 2: Tiffany told the truth as he saw it. Even crazy
Speaker 2: people can be right sometimes. But Tiffany's problem was that
Speaker 2: it all got lost in the paranoid noise.
Speaker 3: So since be very paranoia, like you have paranoia pretty bad.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, whenever you call out cops and then
Speaker 2: they come knock on your door and beat the fuck
Speaker 2: out of you multiple times, I could understand you checking
Speaker 2: over your shoulder as you like, oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: It's not like he was saying, like the helicopters are
Speaker 2: flying again. To my knowledge, he wasn't like an avid
Speaker 2: rug user or anything. But you pissed in the wrong
Speaker 2: cheerios multiple times and then didn't stop whenever they were
Speaker 2: trying to send you a message. You should keep your
Speaker 2: you know, keep your wits about you, I get it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: The the author rather says, interesting.
Speaker 2: Since I first posted this piece, I have been contacted
Speaker 2: by multiple documentary filmmakers and investigative journalists interested in Clay
Speaker 2: Tiffany's story. These inquiries have raised some interesting questions. How
Speaker 2: did Clay Tiffany really die?
Speaker 3: That's what I was wondering.
Speaker 4: He was just found dead in his home. No one knows,
Speaker 4: no knew.
Speaker 3: Autopsy was done.
Speaker 2: After two weeks. It was very hard to get an
Speaker 2: autopsy done. They say that he may have been dead
Speaker 2: in his home for two weeks. Four people realize the smell.
Speaker 3: But that's not the case. There's bodies that disintegrate. It
Speaker 3: had like halfway and they're chewed up bodies. And no,
Speaker 3: that's people that steady bone, steady bones all the way
Speaker 3: back like that.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna learn more. We're gonna learn more. I
Speaker 4: don't want to give too too much away here. Maybe
Speaker 4: that's just gonna be one of those mysteries that never
Speaker 4: gets solved.
Speaker 3: Who knows or they killed him in just you know,
Speaker 3: that's whatever.
Speaker 2: Right, Because keep in mind, if the mafia was involved
Speaker 2: with the FBI operation and the local police officers, what's
Speaker 2: to say that the mafia wasn't involved with the corner
Speaker 2: right or the doctor performing the autopsy.
Speaker 3: Well, obviously they are if they have their hand and
Speaker 3: everything they're going to. You know, he must have really
Speaker 3: pissed off some people good enough, and maybe he was
Speaker 3: getting closer to some kind of truth while he was
Speaker 3: doing all of this digging, so I personally believe so.
Speaker 4: So then how did he really die?
Speaker 2: What other clay investigations touched deeper into the political and
Speaker 2: business worlds of Westchester County and beyond. A rewatching of
Speaker 2: another of his dirs for Charlatan's broadcast reveals a host
Speaker 2: of names around the forty minute mark who are now
Speaker 2: in very public national positions. So what happened all of
Speaker 2: Clay's tapes, recordings, his files, his connections. Just how many
Speaker 2: nerves did he get on during his escapades? And where
Speaker 2: are the dirs for Charlatan's tapes? Will they ever reappear?
Speaker 2: I don't think Klay Tiffany, our investigative reporter and world
Speaker 2: class gadfly, would let these questions go unexamined. All right anyway,
Speaker 2: So let's get into this little video clip here. This
Speaker 2: is from himself, thedors for Charlatan's Show, episode fifty three,
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, where he goes in on
Speaker 2: the situation at hand and y'all tell me what you
Speaker 2: think about this. He doesn't exactly pull punches. It's insane
Speaker 2: to see how prophetic these words actually became, because if
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, this is right after his first beating.
Speaker 4: But we'll see. Let's go in here.
Speaker 5: By the way, congratulations, I'm being facetious to the state
Speaker 5: legislature for all the nincompoopery that they committed in the
Speaker 5: last few weeks, including the fact that they've taken away
Speaker 5: the power from the New York City Police Chief to
Speaker 5: go after bad cops, and they've left it to a commission,
Speaker 5: making it much harder to have anything done. Okay, Jack
Speaker 5: Henry Abbott. Men with low intelligence did not become enraged
Speaker 5: over injustice. They question nothing and accept everything said and
Speaker 5: done to them. Men with low intelligence do not become
Speaker 5: enraged over injustice. They question nothing and accept everything said
Speaker 5: and done to them.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna let it keep playing for just
Speaker 2: a minute, but I wanted everybody to hear at least
Speaker 2: that clip where you can tell he's not some sort
Speaker 2: of a and on this evening's edition. It's a he's
Speaker 2: not like a news anchor, you know, he's he's not
Speaker 2: exactly a podcaster either. He's he's just he's from New York,
Speaker 2: so he's got a New York accident.
Speaker 3: But the way that his speech pattern and some of
Speaker 3: what he's saying, I'm not kidding you. I've heard that
Speaker 3: before in some of Trump's speeches.
Speaker 4: Interesting, Leah, you listen.
Speaker 3: To it, if you the start of it, I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: like he Trump has actually said that in the way
Speaker 3: that he's in the same speech pattern. It sounds just
Speaker 3: like Trump.
Speaker 2: And also like the picture didn't really do him justice.
Speaker 2: Listening to him. His whole fro perfectly quafft, I might add, it.
Speaker 3: Is very round for those that are not looking it is.
Speaker 3: It is very thick, luscious quoft of a round hedgehog fro.
Speaker 2: And I mean he's got that permanent scowl, his high
Speaker 2: just dishoveled look.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely looked like he like threw his clothes
Speaker 3: on that are too big for him, that don't really
Speaker 3: kind of fit, like he kind of just is over
Speaker 3: life and just you know what, this is some shit here.
Speaker 3: It is that's the vibe I'm getting from him right now.
Speaker 2: And instead of taking to the radio, instead of becoming
Speaker 2: a you know, an article h writer for the newspaper. No,
Speaker 2: he's like, fuck it, I'm just gonna put it on
Speaker 2: public access television and let the chips fall where it may.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, at least he was calling people out.
Speaker 4: Fuck it.
Speaker 2: This next is where he gets into the conversation of
Speaker 2: Clay Tartaglione, let's learn together get cult members?
Speaker 5: Oh why is Nick Tartaglione rogue Briar Cliff coup? According
Speaker 5: to my sources, and you'd be surprised where they pop
Speaker 5: up everywhere I go. Somebody's got something to tell me.
Speaker 5: And I appreciate all of you people that are coming
Speaker 5: up to me from Hastings to all the way up
Speaker 5: into the middle of Connecticut now telling me tales. All right?
Speaker 5: Could it be that Pete police officer Nicky Nasty Tartaglione
Speaker 5: is attempting get this folks to get back on the
Speaker 5: Mount Vernon police force.
Speaker 4: That's where he started.
Speaker 5: Remember, he went from Mount Vernon to Yonkers and according
Speaker 5: to a police source, he had to leave Yonkers because
Speaker 5: of illegal activity involving him and his family. Then he
Speaker 5: went up to Palling and of course Briarcliffe hired him four.
Speaker 2: Also, we're gonna mention another member of his family who
Speaker 2: confirmed was a coppo for the Banano crime family.
Speaker 4: So that's not even like a crazy thing.
Speaker 2: He just said, no, no, no, This guy had actual blood
Speaker 2: ties to a street captain of a known mafia family
Speaker 2: who later turned snitch.
Speaker 4: We're going to talk about it more in a bit here.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 5: My place is in about four and a half years,
Speaker 5: has Nikki tartag Leone been told by putative police chief
Speaker 5: Ron Trainam and or other Briarcliffe village personnel such as
Speaker 5: Lynn maccrum or mayor Austin to get out as soon
Speaker 5: as possible because eventually the public awareness of all of
Speaker 5: Nick's misconduct, revealed by your investigative reporter En Durs for
Speaker 5: the Charlatan shows will become too much, even for Briarcliffe,
Speaker 5: which never charged Ron Langer. Remember, even Briarcliffe won't be
Speaker 5: able to cover it up. Remember, Nick Tartaglion stands accused
Speaker 5: of harassing and worse of a twenty six year old
Speaker 5: woman at the scene of an accident, of coercing her
Speaker 5: through unethical means to give her her phone number under
Speaker 5: duress and then harassing her, her mother, her stepfather on
Speaker 5: the phone for months, and then Detective pug Lease very
Speaker 5: possibly filed a false report on this. If Trustee Peter
Speaker 5: Burrow is to be believed said false report by Detective
Speaker 5: pug Lease exonerates according to Peter Burrow's description of it,
Speaker 5: this report exonerates the miscreant Tartaglione.
Speaker 6: Mayor Keith Austen.
Speaker 5: Of course, continues to cover this up. Nick Tartaglione also
Speaker 5: threatened me, sent me to the hospital, and told me
Speaker 5: he is connected to the mob. On three twenty five,
Speaker 5: ninety seven, Nick Tartaglione stalked me with a witness witnessing this.
Speaker 5: On May seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven, yet at the behest
Speaker 5: of a D eight Lynn Ferrell putative, Judge Fred Weinstein
Speaker 5: issued an order of protection against me in regard to
Speaker 5: this rogue cop Nick Tartaglione. Anyway, Nicky Boy told the
Speaker 5: young woman at the scene of the accident that the
Speaker 5: reason that he left Mount Vernon in Yonker's police departments
Speaker 5: was because there was too much crime and it was
Speaker 5: too dangerous. Poor baby. Could it be that in Yonkers
Speaker 5: in Mount Vernon there are too many blacks and Latinos
Speaker 5: who emasculated NICKI even though he had the gun. From
Speaker 5: an eyewitness from an eyewitness. How about the following in
Speaker 5: regard to the textbook psyche of rogue cop Nick Tartaglion. Apparently, Nick,
Speaker 5: according to the source, and some other reprobate cops, were
Speaker 5: flashing this is a while back. They're police badges to
Speaker 5: get freebies at a notorious strip joint in New York
Speaker 5: City in Queens. I believe the name of the place
Speaker 5: is Goldfingers or some such. Even though they were from Westchester.
Speaker 5: They're flashing their badges or doing it metaphorically. But even
Speaker 5: in this less than wholesome I should say environment. According
Speaker 5: to my source, Nick Tartaglion and his other debouched cops
Speaker 5: who were on the take overdid it and made such
Speaker 5: ludicrous demands and behaved so abominably that the extortionate, venal
Speaker 5: iniquitous cops were giving the bum's rush from the strip joint.
Speaker 5: They were asking for too much lap dancing and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. I wonder if Nick has flashed his Briarcliffe
Speaker 5: police badge to get into other strip joints.
Speaker 4: Aren't you proud of that?
Speaker 5: People in Briarcliffe.
Speaker 4: You don't know where what that badge has touched.
Speaker 5: Possibly, So when Nicky finally leaves, I would hope that
Speaker 5: they clean and excume all all the stuff that he
Speaker 5: wore and his badge and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so your boy is just out here calling him
Speaker 2: out by name.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's He's calling him out for everything.
Speaker 2: And not just him, his known affiliates, the judges that
Speaker 2: are involved in this, other detectives, other cops. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's out here doing the absolute most, you know, and
Speaker 2: and god bless, I mean, I completely understand that, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, he's over it. And he had
Speaker 2: already gotten beat up by him once before he even
Speaker 2: made that post that video, So yeah, and we heard
Speaker 2: it straight from him. This guy is an absolute piece
Speaker 2: of shit start to finish. And just like the article
Speaker 2: we read a moment ago, he is a caricature of
Speaker 2: what a novelist would write about in a book, where
Speaker 2: it's like, this is the bad cop. What does he
Speaker 2: look like, what does he sound like? What does he
Speaker 2: act like? Who's his affiliations? This is literally the guy.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, that's can.
Speaker 3: Believe you called him out like that. He's just like,
Speaker 3: you know what, fuck you fuck this.
Speaker 4: And at Goldfingers, that's a very well known strip club.
Speaker 3: That is a very well known strip club. I'm surprised that,
Speaker 3: you know, he just really didn't care. I guess of
Speaker 3: what would happen to him, especially since the mob ties.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, they didn't have the same kind of strength,
Speaker 3: but they still got to him.
Speaker 2: They did, they eventually did, but again that was after
Speaker 2: the first beating.
Speaker 3: I don't know who told them, like, who who told who?
Speaker 3: I wonder like the public access, I'm just wondering that
Speaker 3: not a lot of people probably watched it, so I
Speaker 3: wonder how they found out. Specifically, if he was producing
Speaker 3: that many tapes, he must have called him out on
Speaker 3: like damn near every single one to be like, you
Speaker 3: are doing this.
Speaker 2: He had he had a bit of an obsession with him,
Speaker 2: not just him, though there was judge he called out.
Speaker 2: We talked about Jane Piro. He called her out like.
Speaker 3: It was heard that she was really shady back in
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 2: She you know, I don't know that for a fact,
Speaker 2: but our boy Clay Tiffany absolutely had some dirt on
Speaker 2: her at one point, and you know how that goes.
Speaker 2: Next thing, you know, Trump's in office and this former
Speaker 2: New York attorney is now the attorney for the DC
Speaker 2: because yep, hmmm, crazy how that works out.
Speaker 3: Yep. Anyway, it's all about who you know, who's back
Speaker 3: you scratch.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And again he's talking about nineteen ninety seven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they had a restraining order put against Nick for him.
Speaker 3: It's a long time ago for this to all kind
Speaker 3: of make it circle back to Epstein.
Speaker 2: So m yep, it absolutely does. But let's get into
Speaker 2: the next article here, good cult members. Now we are
Speaker 2: gonna shift over to another article where there's actually the
Speaker 2: original documents for the uh, what's the word I'm going
Speaker 2: for restraining orders that were being put on Nick Tartaglione. Tartaglioni,
Speaker 2: however you want to pronounce it on behalf of Clay Tiffany.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go ahead and share the screen one
Speaker 2: mon another again and let's learn about this together, good
Speaker 2: cult members. All right, So this is from Johanna Schwartz
Speaker 2: dot net slash Clay Tiffany. Let's get into it here.
Speaker 2: In the village of Briarcliffe, Manor, a tony suburb outside
Speaker 2: of New York City. Everybody knew Clay Tiffany growing up
Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties. Tiffany was a Briarcliffe Manor High
Speaker 2: School basketball legend. His name is still etched on a
Speaker 2: plaque in the trophy case that commemorates the school's thousand
Speaker 2: point scores wow by the time. By the time I
Speaker 2: met Tiffany in two thousand and two, he was in
Speaker 2: his fifties and Briarcliffe Manor residents knew him as the
Speaker 2: village gadfly over the six feet or over six feet tall,
Speaker 2: white and with an unruly crown of red curly hair.
Speaker 2: Clay Tiffany spent his days as a self proclaimed independent journalist,
Speaker 2: uncovering local practices he considered unfair or unlawful and complaining
Speaker 2: about them to local officials and at village council meetings.
Speaker 2: Okay Tiffany also shared the fruits of his investigative labor
Speaker 2: on his remarkably named public access television show for the Charlatans.
Speaker 2: On a March afternoon in nineteen ninety seven, Tiffany was
Speaker 2: pulled over by a Briarcliff man Or police officer he
Speaker 2: did not recognize the officer. Nick Tartaglione, had recently been
Speaker 2: hired by the department. With bulging muscles in a deep tan,
Speaker 2: Tartaglione stuck out as much as Tiffany did in a
Speaker 2: briarcliff manner. According to Tiffany, Tartaglione approached his car and
Speaker 2: said through the open window that he heard Tiffany liked
Speaker 2: Mulliana's or Mulliana's, Mulinya's whatever, it's a derogatory Italian slang
Speaker 2: for black people, and then said I'm connected with the mob.
Speaker 2: I can have you taken care of any time I want.
Speaker 2: Feeling threatens, Tiffany got out of the car and, standing
Speaker 2: several feet away, said that he was afraid of Tartaglione
Speaker 2: and was going to flag down the next car he
Speaker 2: saw and give the driver the name of a friend
Speaker 2: a call. When Tiffany got a car to stop and
Speaker 2: started speaking with the driver, officer Tartaglione grabbed Tiffany and
Speaker 2: slammed him into the police.
Speaker 4: Car and handcuffed him.
Speaker 2: Tiffany quickly turned his investigative attentions to Tartaglione, and it
Speaker 2: turned out there was a lot to investigate. Tiffany learned
Speaker 2: that Tartaglione had beaten up people while employed as an
Speaker 2: officer in neighboring jurisdictions and had left those jobs under
Speaker 2: suspicious circumstances. Tiffany then started reporting what he found out
Speaker 2: about Tartaglione on Dirge of the Charlatans or Dirge for
Speaker 2: the Charlatans rather that apparently got under Tartaglione's skin. Over
Speaker 2: the next two and a half years, Officer Tartaglione assaulted
Speaker 2: Tiffany three more times, the assaults growing more extreme with
Speaker 2: every encounter. The final time, Tartaglione maced Tiffany and punched
Speaker 2: and kicked him, yelling you can't tell lies about me
Speaker 2: on your television show. Officer Tartaglione broke Tiffany's orbital bone
Speaker 2: and several ribs, landing him in the hospital. We actually
Speaker 2: have a video clip of that that we're gonna show
Speaker 2: here in a bit. Tiffany sued Tartaglione and the village
Speaker 2: of Briarcliff Manor. During litigation, Tartaglione offered to settle the
Speaker 2: claims against him for two hundred thousand dollars Soon thereafter,
Speaker 2: he wrote a letter to the Defense Council explaining that
Speaker 2: Tiffany wanted to know where the money was coming from
Speaker 2: Tartaglione himself or the village.
Speaker 4: I assumed the.
Speaker 2: Money was coming from Tartaglione. The village had fired Tartaglione
Speaker 2: and was arguing during litigation that his assaults of Tiffany
Speaker 2: were outside the scope of his employment. But in the end,
Speaker 2: after Tiffany had accepted the money, Briarcliffe Manner revealed that
Speaker 2: its insurer had written the check.
Speaker 4: And I was shocked.
Speaker 2: Why would Briarcliffe Manners Ensure pay six figures to settle
Speaker 2: a case against an officer that they had fired? Why
Speaker 2: would Briarcliffe Manners Ensure paid to settle a case against
Speaker 2: an officer they argued was acting outside of the scope
Speaker 2: of their employment. Chapter ten of Shielded Helps explained why.
Speaker 2: So now on screen, this is a twenty five long
Speaker 2: page document about the situation, which we're not going to
Speaker 2: read the entire thing, but the introduction to this I
Speaker 2: also think is pretty substantial. So this is from the
Speaker 2: fourth amended court complaint Jury demand Clayton Tiffany or Tiffany
Speaker 2: Clayton I guess m this action arises from vicious, cruel
Speaker 2: and continuous acts of police brutality and the conspiracy to
Speaker 2: cover them up. This action for monies damage against the
Speaker 2: Village of Briarcliffe Keith Austin individually as Mayor of the
Speaker 2: Village of Briarcliffe Manor, and the Police Department of Briarcliffe Manor, Tartaglione,
Speaker 2: Ronald Tranham, Lawrence Adamittus, and Michael Bassett individuals and as
Speaker 2: officers of the Village of Briarcliffe Manor's Police Department. Committee
Speaker 2: acts under the color of law, acting within the course
Speaker 2: and scope of their employment, and deriving plaintiff or depriving
Speaker 2: plaintiff of rights secured by the Constitution and laws of
Speaker 2: the United States and the State of New York. Long
Speaker 2: story short, There's a twenty five page court document that
Speaker 2: basically talks about all of the complaints that were being
Speaker 2: levied against them, and there's even dates and times on
Speaker 2: all these things. On or about September third, nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 2: on the motion of District Attorney of Westchester County, the
Speaker 2: aforesaid false charge was dismissed by the City of Yonkers
Speaker 2: Court defendant tartag Leone's conduct in bringing the f foresaid
Speaker 2: charges against plaintiff constituted a malicious prosecution.
Speaker 4: It goes on, it goes.
Speaker 2: On and on and on and on and on, twenty
Speaker 2: five pages of just everything that could be brought on
Speaker 2: for this.
Speaker 3: So why did they pay out the settlement? That's a
Speaker 3: great question he never actually got answered. Why they decided
Speaker 3: to pay out for a cop that no longer was there,
Speaker 3: for a cop.
Speaker 2: That they acknowledged was outside of his jurisdiction, And like,
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you first of all, why wouldn't you just
Speaker 2: charge the guy himself if he was in the wrong,
Speaker 2: he was the one that committed a crime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, usually that's how that goes.
Speaker 2: Why would the city itself, their insurance pay for.
Speaker 3: That unless it's bought and paid for and he was
Speaker 3: highly protected.
Speaker 4: So yes, yes, absolutely, which by his own emission, he
Speaker 4: was mob connected.
Speaker 3: So there you have it, Like who announces that the
Speaker 3: first thing you say, I am with the mob? It's like, wait, what, well,
Speaker 3: first rule fight club bro.
Speaker 4: And he also is going after this guy who he
Speaker 4: knows has a television show.
Speaker 3: I mean he must have. He must have been sent there,
Speaker 3: like strategically sent there. Yeah, so that way he could
Speaker 3: shut this one random guy up in this little podunk town.
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 2: I guess so Emory Celly Cuddy brickin' off and a baby.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, Uh, this is a letter to MJ. Reset.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Magistrate Judge Lisa Margaret Smith, United States Courthouse
Speaker 2: for the Southern District of New York. Dear Magistrate Judge Smith,
Speaker 2: as this court is aware, Clay Tiffany accepted a two
Speaker 2: hundred thousand and one dollar rule sixty eight offered by
Speaker 2: defendant Nicholas tartag Leone on June twenty four, two thousand
Speaker 2: and three. At the time Tiffany accepted the rule sixty
Speaker 2: eight offer, it was the plaintiff's council expedition that Tartaglione
Speaker 2: would pay Tiffany out of approximately the three hundred thousand
Speaker 2: in back pay.
Speaker 4: He was owed to the village of Briarcliffe, manor.
Speaker 3: What is the village? They keep talking, You keep saying
Speaker 3: the village.
Speaker 4: Just so it's speaking no, no, not a.
Speaker 3: County, it's like a city, Okay. So because it keeps
Speaker 3: saying the village, I'm like, what the fuck is the village.
Speaker 2: So Briarcliffe Manor is not. It's not a subdivision, and
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 3: A is it like the village in Florida?
Speaker 4: Okay, there you go, So that's a village, it's not.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's.
Speaker 2: Not its own independent city. But it's a lot more
Speaker 2: than just a neighborhood a town. It's smaller than a town.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's smaller than a town, but it's at
Speaker 3: least somewhat like a town.
Speaker 4: It's its own municipality legally speaking.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well that makes more sense. But man,
Speaker 3: you're talking about that's tiny of a place, and this
Speaker 3: you'd warranted that much attention from these people.
Speaker 2: And then the cop himself got back paid three hundred k,
Speaker 2: and then the city itself paid out your boy, Tiffany
Speaker 2: two hundred k. So the city is now out five
Speaker 2: hundred k for a rogue cop beating the shit out
Speaker 2: of a.
Speaker 3: Guy, a random citizen. So you know, it's definitely in
Speaker 3: the entire town, I guess is bought and paid for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, sayway, there's a three page document. If anybody
Speaker 2: wants to look at it themselves, you definitely can. I'm
Speaker 2: not the best at reading legal documents and things, but
Speaker 2: I also thought that this was very much worth our
Speaker 2: time and energy.
Speaker 4: Two.
Speaker 3: By the way, that picture is so horrible of him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like an artist rendition, but a very bad one.
Speaker 3: It's so bad. He looks crazy like, he looks disheveled,
Speaker 3: he looks like he's mentally ill. And I wonder if
Speaker 3: that's the point of that whole thing, is to make
Speaker 3: him look like this. Oh, okay, more so than he did.
Speaker 4: But that was the point. He knew what he looked like,
Speaker 4: and he was completely, very much.
Speaker 2: Had myself there. He was completely aware of what he
Speaker 2: looked like. But this guy looks a whole lot more
Speaker 2: like this guy okay than that first video. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: will say that his fro has been trimmed down a
Speaker 2: bit in this one.
Speaker 4: But you know what, let's hear Clay talk more about this.
Speaker 2: Clay Tiffany talks about the X COP Nicholas tartek Leone
Speaker 2: and Linda Manjano connection.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing. In this video, he actually.
Speaker 2: Confronts him outside and there's witnesses including his father and
Speaker 2: his lawyer and media. There's an actual news anchor who
Speaker 2: refuses to listen to the guy who just went to
Speaker 2: court against this dude.
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, it's mind blowing.
Speaker 2: Cult members. If you're not watching this on Patreon, first
Speaker 2: of all, what are you doing? Come check us on
Speaker 2: Patreon so you can see what we're talking about here. Secondly,
Speaker 2: let's watch this together because it's blatant corruption start to finish,
Speaker 2: especially when you know that this is an alleged reputable
Speaker 2: reporter for the news who refuses to listen to Clay
Speaker 2: Tip knowing what just took place at the court case.
Speaker 4: It's it's wild.
Speaker 7: Check this out, Mangano or Bill Reynolds. It's incredible. She's
Speaker 7: bragged about following Linda, about following Bill Reynolds and harassing him.
Speaker 7: So when Linda Mangano said regarding Sergeant green And he
Speaker 7: should drop dead, I once again say, Sergeant green And
Speaker 7: should pay close attention. Now let's go back to what
Speaker 7: I look like after Nick tartagli On, whom Linda Mangano
Speaker 7: has on at least two occasions now asked the Austin
Speaker 7: Village Board to get to give Nick Tartaglion a humanitarian award.
Speaker 7: Can my man in the other room put up the
Speaker 7: video where the same video that you had on before
Speaker 7: I had it stopped, and can you put on my
Speaker 7: man in the other room. The video of what I
Speaker 7: look like after the Nick tar tagleone beat me up
Speaker 7: the fourth time? All right, see that?
Speaker 1: See that?
Speaker 4: This is the guy.
Speaker 2: This is Clayton Tiffany or clay Tiffany after the first time.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, allegedly second who even knows honestly, but
Speaker 2: like he.
Speaker 3: Looks so bad, like he got the shit beat out
Speaker 3: of him.
Speaker 2: And this woman is still saying that Nick Tartaglione deserves
Speaker 2: a humanitarian award from the city.
Speaker 4: What I keep mind, this guy committed no crime.
Speaker 3: He has His face is so swollen. Cult members that
Speaker 3: aren't looking. His face is so completely swollen it's distorted.
Speaker 3: His lips are completely stolen, stolen, swollen. Yeah, his teeth
Speaker 3: looks like they got broke. His nose looks like it
Speaker 3: got broke. His eyes are his one is swollen shut,
Speaker 3: the other one's barely open as well. I mean it's
Speaker 3: overall facial trauma to the max.
Speaker 4: This is when he had the broken orbital bone and
Speaker 4: several broken ribs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely got the shit rocked out of him.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and when you see a picture of this
Speaker 4: guy here in a bit.
Speaker 2: He looks like he wanted to be a body like
Speaker 2: an actual competition by builder like this, he hitn't like
Speaker 2: some overweight donut munch and coffee.
Speaker 3: He's taking that trend. Oh yes, no, no no, this life
Speaker 3: is just definitely all about it.
Speaker 2: This is in the nineties, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: This is back when like Mark McGuire was on that ship.
Speaker 2: This is that like horse tranquilizer shit they were on
Speaker 2: back in the day.
Speaker 3: Last year.
Speaker 4: Makes you go crazy crazy, So let's keep going here.
Speaker 7: And I have pictures taken by the FBI that are worse.
Speaker 2: All right, So this is him confronting him outside of
Speaker 2: the Mayor's office.
Speaker 5: Are there any other reporters besides twelve?
Speaker 4: Are you a reporter? Which paper are you?
Speaker 1: Stacy?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 5: Hi, bagle own. And that's what gets back because the
Speaker 5: last time he almost killed me.
Speaker 3: I love how he just walks up to him.
Speaker 4: He died me.
Speaker 3: Oh you exciting? Oh they purposely, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the guy, and he's not stepping out
Speaker 2: for obvious reasons. And you see they're all laughing at Clay,
Speaker 2: the guy who just got the ship beat out of him.
Speaker 2: Sent to the hospital.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't give a fuck.
Speaker 5: They're a reporter here with the camera guy from twelve,
Speaker 5: Why you might want to talk to the guy that's
Speaker 5: attacking me on almost killed twice?
Speaker 7: That's me.
Speaker 5: I can't give you some allegation though, I can't go
Speaker 5: do you mean purely my allegations? It's enough to have
Speaker 5: the FBI investigating them.
Speaker 4: I can't talk to you.
Speaker 5: You can't talk to me.
Speaker 3: Oh right now, you're willing the camera.
Speaker 6: I don't know you're gonna use all.
Speaker 3: That against me.
Speaker 5: You got your camera on me, pal, I'm not afraid
Speaker 5: of people camera and me taping me. You want me
Speaker 5: to turn off the camera?
Speaker 4: I was that what you mean?
Speaker 3: So even the reporter who is there to get the end,
Speaker 3: just like totally unfazed. Homies with them, obviously Italian, obviously
Speaker 3: their buddy.
Speaker 2: Obviously, And he's like, I can't talk to you. That's
Speaker 2: just your allegation. Like allegation, bro, I just got out
Speaker 2: of the hospital. The investigating this guy. Are you fucking
Speaker 2: kidding me?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so he's just like, I don't tell you, man, whatever.
Speaker 4: It just it gets worse think about it.
Speaker 5: Briar Cliff is just didn't put him up on charges
Speaker 5: for assaulting and trying to kill me twice, plus he
Speaker 5: beat me up two other times. And and there's about
Speaker 5: ten or eleven victims in paul In, New York, according
Speaker 5: to Ken Lynch interested and briar Cliff protected him.
Speaker 4: Is that his father?
Speaker 5: Well, I'd like to I'd like to know how he
Speaker 5: was brought up.
Speaker 1: She's just done.
Speaker 4: You heard him. That was start taking the own saying
Speaker 4: you got big because you deserved it.
Speaker 3: Oh man, He openly admitted to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, on camera, on camera, but the news anchors weren't rolling.
Speaker 3: Just now, that's obviously not I like how he calls
Speaker 3: out the dad too. Yoisha's shit son.
Speaker 4: Basically, I want to know how I was raised. Your
Speaker 4: asshole son has tried killing me twice, you know. But hey,
Speaker 4: whatever did you hear that?
Speaker 7: Was that a briar Cliff cop?
Speaker 4: Yeah, didn't here it is. Wait, I'll get the guy.
Speaker 4: They don't even have to hide it in briar Cliff.
Speaker 5: It's clan country.
Speaker 4: It's clan country, is what he said.
Speaker 2: I mean again, it's incredible that even the media, knowing
Speaker 2: that there was an open FBI investigation going on at
Speaker 2: that time, still decided like, ah, we're not gonna talk
Speaker 2: to you, pal, Sorry, but why because he's the local
Speaker 2: public access conspiracy guy calling out the corruption.
Speaker 3: I mean, but he was a baseball not baseball basketball
Speaker 3: hero or you know, at least awesome. And then it
Speaker 3: didn't sound like he was considered crazy crazy.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, he's not.
Speaker 2: He's not crazy for sure, but still it's it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: So now we're gonna actually read this, uh this article
Speaker 2: from briar Cliff.
Speaker 4: Itself the Daily Voice, if you will, Clay Tiffany noted
Speaker 4: Northern Westchester gadfly found dead.
Speaker 3: You had asked, what, yea, what is the gadfly?
Speaker 4: I think that this might be a term meaning like, uh,
Speaker 4: not like.
Speaker 3: Crazy conspiracy theorists.
Speaker 2: I think, so it's not like the old town crier
Speaker 2: or anything like that, but basically like the town, the
Speaker 2: crazy one, the hair brained. Okay, yeah, So Clay Tiffany,
Speaker 2: and a Scening resident who hosted his own public access
Speaker 2: show dirsh for Charlatan's, was found dead in his a
Speaker 2: Scening home on Thursday, March twenty sixth Let's get into
Speaker 2: it here. Tiffany, who died of natural causes, could have
Speaker 2: been dead for two weeks. According to News twelve, he
Speaker 2: was sixty nine or seventy years old. They don't even know,
Speaker 2: they don't even know. Tiffany was a perennial candidate for
Speaker 2: the Briarcliff Board of Education, running seven times, though never winning.
Speaker 2: He sued the village of Briarcliffe Manor numerous times, including
Speaker 2: after he claimed a police officer, Nicholas Tartaglione, assaulted him.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and four, Jerry Smith, the president of
Speaker 2: the Ossining NAACP, was convicted of second degree harassment after
Speaker 2: an alleged altercation with Tiffany. According to iohud dot com,
Speaker 2: I don't know so apparently, keep in mind he was
Speaker 2: he was going after everybody, even the president of the
Speaker 2: local NAACP chapter geez, so like hell yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean he took this and was like, I'm not
Speaker 3: letting it go till everyone knows what happened.
Speaker 4: When we see corruption, we gonna talk about it.
Speaker 2: No matrivs from the Italian mafia or from the you know,
Speaker 2: the upscale blacks of the community. Whatever the he said,
Speaker 2: there's corruption in Buffoonery going down, I'm gonna talk about
Speaker 2: it on the show. I like him I really do.
Speaker 2: Yorktown resident Bruce Apar, who hosts his own public access show,
Speaker 2: said Tiffany epitomized the intent and practice of public access
Speaker 2: television to give voice to anyone and everyone who wishes
Speaker 2: to share ideas and thoughts and yes, grievances, petty and perceive.
Speaker 2: Though some they may be he may have been obnoxious
Speaker 2: and obstrapracious, obst obstrepperous, Okay, obstreppers, but there's no law
Speaker 2: against either, which is accurate.
Speaker 3: I don't even know that where it is.
Speaker 4: Abstrepperous, abstreepers.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: Sean mcgaffee, general manager of Pleasantville pc TV, he said
Speaker 2: he didn't know Tiffany personally, but he saw a show.
Speaker 2: Public access is about the First Amendment rights. McGaffey said
Speaker 2: he certainly exercised those. He was very forceful. He used
Speaker 2: his freedom of speech to the fullest extent, and that
Speaker 2: was him. So again, they don't really know how he died.
Speaker 2: They just said it was natural causes and they walked
Speaker 2: away from that.
Speaker 3: That's like the blanket term. They probably would have thrown
Speaker 3: another COVID if they had a chance.
Speaker 2: If it was during COVID, it absolutely would have a
Speaker 2: COVID death. COVID death, There's no two ways about that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, now let's get into this snitch situation, this
Speaker 2: familial tie to your boy Tartaglione and the Banana crime family.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm not gonna read the entire article here. This
Speaker 4: is from the New York Post.
Speaker 2: But Banano snitch says he didn't actually kill anyone, So
Speaker 2: let's talk about it here. The Banano coppo turned Canary
Speaker 2: James Louis Tartaglione, also known as Big Lou shot Down,
Speaker 2: claims Tuesday that he murdered seven people during his time
Speaker 2: in the mob, saying he simply asked his bosses to
Speaker 2: whack the victims and didn't actually pull the trigger. As
Speaker 2: he testified against four mobsters on trial for loan sharking,
Speaker 2: drug dealing, and running illegally gab illegal gambling operations. The
Speaker 2: seventy eight year old Wise Guy is the prosecution's key
Speaker 2: witness in the trial against Vito Badamo, ernest A Yello
Speaker 2: and Anthony Skinny Santaro and Nicholas Nicki mouth Santaro, who
Speaker 2: inspired the characters played in the Late Bruno Kirby in
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety seven film Donnie Brasco, did you offer
Speaker 2: did you ever yourself commit the act of killing? As
Speaker 2: Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Gary Galperin as he referred to
Speaker 2: the defensive claim that Tartaglion was not a reliable witness
Speaker 2: and that he was responsible for the deaths of several
Speaker 2: quote unquote made men in the Bonano crime family, including
Speaker 2: Cesaret Bonvitre in nineteen eighty four and the infamous Three
Speaker 2: Coppos murder in nineteen eighty one. For anybody who doesn't
Speaker 2: know what that is or the time frame that I'm
Speaker 2: talking about here, there was a war that took place
Speaker 2: and a content creator who I adore his content.
Speaker 4: His name is Michael Francis.
Speaker 2: He was a coppo, same as this guy, which is
Speaker 2: a street captain within the Colombo crime family. He got
Speaker 2: put away when there was a war going on. When
Speaker 2: he got out of jail, the war had already been over.
Speaker 2: But this was around this timeframe. So here's the deal
Speaker 2: in the mafia. It's not like you see in the
Speaker 2: movies in the twenties and thirties where you have like
Speaker 2: a hit squad that you send out to go silence
Speaker 2: some reporter somewhere you get some little what do they
Speaker 2: call desperado guy to do that. You find some guy
Speaker 2: that's down his luck and you offer him five k
Speaker 2: to go handle this for you, and if he makes
Speaker 2: it out of that fine, you give him the five bucks.
Speaker 2: If he doesn't and he gets arrested, you wash your
Speaker 2: hands of him. You never met the guy. You don't
Speaker 2: even know anything about him. It's one of these random
Speaker 2: drunks out there doing wild shit. That's how that goes.
Speaker 2: For the mafia. They take care of their own problems.
Speaker 2: When they authorize a hit, it's on somebody within their
Speaker 2: own family. That's how that goes. They keep all of
Speaker 2: their beef in house, and.
Speaker 4: It's completely against the rules for a member of one
Speaker 4: family to kill a member of an other family, even
Speaker 4: if there's beef, even if they have done something so
Speaker 4: egregious on the streets to where it warrants a death,
Speaker 4: The head of this family makes a phone call to
Speaker 4: the head of the other family. They discuss what needs
Speaker 4: to take place, and then that family will handle their
Speaker 4: own member in house.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. Even your own family will be the
Speaker 2: one to put the bullet in your own head. That
Speaker 2: is how the mafia does business.
Speaker 3: It sounds like Shakespeare to.
Speaker 4: Me, interestingly enough, you know, that's a lot of it.
Speaker 3: It definitely does sound a lot like Shakespeare to me,
Speaker 3: which which play and Juliette.
Speaker 4: Two houses both alike, and dignity and stature.
Speaker 9: M hmm.
Speaker 4: But that was the thing.
Speaker 2: They had so much turmoil in the streets for so
Speaker 2: long that the government finally said, if y'all do it
Speaker 2: one more time, then I'm throwing all you all asses
Speaker 2: in jail. So the mafia understood that that was how
Speaker 2: that went so, and that's that's not exactly a secret.
Speaker 4: Bondy means.
Speaker 2: They they've talked about this in so many documentaries and
Speaker 2: things like this, the all out family versus family war
Speaker 2: that went away after this war because of the amount
Speaker 2: of heat that it brought on everybody, the amount of
Speaker 2: bloodshed that it took place. It was bad for business,
Speaker 2: which if the mafia is one thing, they are about
Speaker 2: their business before anything else, and violence and blood in
Speaker 2: the streets is never good for business, right, It's just not.
Speaker 2: That's why they've also done the things that they've done
Speaker 2: and handled things in house. So anyway, the three Coppos
Speaker 2: murders in nineteen eighty one very famous killings that took
Speaker 2: place during this war. Tartaglione says, no I was there,
Speaker 2: that's it. Though, describing one incident from the mid nineties,
Speaker 2: Tartaglion said, he put in the word to have Charles
Speaker 2: Crazy Charlie Trevela murdered, but he later changed his mind,
Speaker 2: so I think I'd like to whack him out. Calling
Speaker 2: for salvator vitally and underboss to the Banano crime family.
Speaker 2: So the way that the rank structure works here, there's
Speaker 2: only four levels within crime families. You have the coppo
Speaker 2: to coppo or the down, which is like the boss, right,
Speaker 2: that's the boss under him. You have what's called underbosses.
Speaker 2: Think of these as like your generals in a sense,
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of them. These are like his
Speaker 2: immediate close circle of dudes that are the movers and
Speaker 2: shakers for the family. Of course, you have what's called
Speaker 2: the consiglieri, which is like his consultants, his console. He
Speaker 2: doesn't have any power, but he's also kind of the
Speaker 2: hand of the king, if you will. Under them, you
Speaker 2: have what's called your coppos or your captains, right, that's
Speaker 2: a tieme for captain, and they're the ones that run
Speaker 2: a crew of made men.
Speaker 4: Made men are what you might call your foot soldiers.
Speaker 2: They are absolutely indoctrinated members of the family, but they
Speaker 2: themselves are not.
Speaker 4: They don't hold any real power, but they.
Speaker 2: Themselves can run different operations and push different.
Speaker 4: Groups of guys. How can I put this? Think of
Speaker 4: them as like your sergeants.
Speaker 2: Okay, if we're going to talk military rank and file,
Speaker 2: here your street thugs that are out there committing crimes
Speaker 2: and things. These are like your privates. These are your
Speaker 2: e threes, e four's. They're out there doing the things.
Speaker 2: Your made men is like your sergeant or your staff
Speaker 2: in CEO. The street captain is kind of like your captain.
Speaker 2: Your underboss is more like your upper management. Let's talk
Speaker 2: like colonels in general status, and then above that is
Speaker 2: the boss. So that's how this goes. So this guy
Speaker 2: was a street captain. But anyway, so Tartaglione, that is
Speaker 2: not a common name. No, it's not even in the
Speaker 2: Italian circles. My first wife was Italian, and I got
Speaker 2: a pretty decent look at how the mafia works with
Speaker 2: her family. They were also very connected with mister Marsalis
Speaker 2: in New Orleans, which was the boss of New Orleans
Speaker 2: as far as the Mafia.
Speaker 4: Was concerned for decades.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, no, he's been dead for a while, but
Speaker 2: the Mafia doesn't have as much ruling in New Orleans
Speaker 2: as they once did. He was pretty much the last
Speaker 2: real don New Orleans. Yeah, everything that was legitimate. Everything
Speaker 2: now is very much above board. Now you have cartels
Speaker 2: that have come and other you know, like, uh, the
Speaker 2: black street gangs have taken over a lot of the
Speaker 2: sections of it. The Mafia is not going to be
Speaker 2: on the street pushing dope and pimping out women. They're
Speaker 2: worried about the casinos, They're worried about the sports betting.
Speaker 2: They're the high dollar crime kind of shit. But my
Speaker 2: point is, though, Tartaglione is not a common name, And
Speaker 2: if you're wondering if there's a connection between James Big
Speaker 2: Lou tartag Leone and our guy Nick cousins, they're literally cousins.
Speaker 4: So he has blood ties and beyond any shadow of
Speaker 4: any doubt to the Banano crime family, which is one
Speaker 4: of the big five families of New York.
Speaker 3: I actually don't know a bunch about mobs.
Speaker 4: I know, I know a good beating.
Speaker 3: I could tell, I could tell, I know those nerd
Speaker 3: things that you like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But I mean it's also it's interesting to
Speaker 2: me because especially in the world of crime, there have
Speaker 2: been so many things that have been transplanted. Right, Like,
Speaker 2: we didn't come up with Casa Nostra, which is the
Speaker 2: mafia in America that came over from Sicily. The only
Speaker 2: real crime syndication that America has had start to finish
Speaker 2: is American through and through is motorcycle clubs. And I
Speaker 2: love that, right, I mean I rode with the club
Speaker 2: at one point in time. Not a one percent or
Speaker 2: a outlaw club by any means, but I got a
Speaker 2: real good look at what that world's about.
Speaker 4: It was fun, not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: But also it's yeah, you have to pretty much just
Speaker 2: give your entire life to the organization at that point,
Speaker 2: which is what the mafia does as well. So looking
Speaker 2: into the mafia itself and the early early nineteen hundred's,
Speaker 2: the nineteen twenties, how Kennedy got so big, how so
Speaker 2: many big presidents were put in that position because of
Speaker 2: their mafia ties. New York City being what it is, Chicago, Boston, Philly, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: New Orleans, Vegas, San Francisco, Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: All of these cities got put on the map because of.
Speaker 3: The Okay, I didn't know that, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: The only reason Vegas is the thing, yeah, is because
Speaker 2: of the Mafia, Okay, and Jimmy.
Speaker 3: Hoffa, I didn't. I mean, I know some of it, obviously.
Speaker 3: I've seen the movies and the TV shows and that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, and I've heard the stories, but I've
Speaker 3: never been like super big in the looking into it.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love it. It's a whole thing. I geek
Speaker 4: out over. I absolutely do.
Speaker 2: I don't idolize these gentlemen for multiple reasons, but because
Speaker 2: of my weird geekness towards history and things, it just
Speaker 2: kind of ties in.
Speaker 4: But anyway, all right, good cult members. Sorry about a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 2: Of a continuity issue here. Situation came up. Long story short,
Speaker 2: Raven Lee is at her home studio. I am still
Speaker 2: at my home studio and we are continuing the episode.
Speaker 4: Shouldn't really be that big of a deal.
Speaker 2: But if it sounds like the audio is a little
Speaker 2: bit different, or that there was like a weird lag
Speaker 2: between things, that was why things happen. Things and stuff yeah, no,
Speaker 2: But anyway, all right, so we were talking about how
Speaker 2: there was obvious mafia connections to Homeboy in question. Now
Speaker 2: we are going to talk about it even further here,
Speaker 2: but before we get into that, we're going to read
Speaker 2: in on the Yonkers Times. Some of this has already
Speaker 2: been talked about, so we're not going to be getting
Speaker 2: into the entire article by any means, but continuing on
Speaker 2: with the story of Klay Tiffany Clay, Tiffany gadfly, truth teller,
Speaker 2: pest and movie star believe it or not, Like you know,
Speaker 2: we talked about earlier his show Dirsh for the Charlatans,
Speaker 2: which aired on the Oscening cable access studio in the
Speaker 2: late nineteen nineties. We talked about the accusations with Tartaglione.
Speaker 2: We talked about Tartaglione's obvious mafia connections, the FBI investigation
Speaker 2: where he won two hundred k from it, and he
Speaker 2: died in twenty fifteen a broken man, but did have
Speaker 2: a moment of notoriety in Westchester because of his public
Speaker 2: access shows, lawsuits and confrontations with Tartaglion. Tartaglion was fire
Speaker 2: then rehired by the briar Cliff Police Department. He later
Speaker 2: quote unquote retired and moved upstate where he became a
Speaker 2: drug dealer, eventually killing four of his drug partners. He
Speaker 2: was convicted of murder and is now currently serving multiple
Speaker 2: life sentences.
Speaker 4: Should throw that out, one for each of the people.
Speaker 3: He's so shocked. It's that he killed people, that he
Speaker 3: was a bad guy in the end.
Speaker 4: Who saw that coming, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: But uh, I will say Kim said almost like he
Speaker 2: gave like a lot of heads up on that, right,
Speaker 2: But uh I will say that it's interesting the manner
Speaker 2: in which he killed these people. We have an article
Speaker 2: in a news clip. We're going to play in a
Speaker 2: bit to give it a lot better than I will.
Speaker 2: But it's brutal. It's very mafioso, believe it or not.
Speaker 2: The story of Tiffany and tartag Leone and Epstein has
Speaker 2: drawn the interest of Emmy Award winning producer Gary Cohen,
Speaker 2: who has created nine documentary films for ESPN's thirty for
Speaker 2: thirty series.
Speaker 4: This is his direct quote here.
Speaker 2: This is about free speech and how free speech isn't
Speaker 2: always pretty, but it's effective in keeping the public informed
Speaker 2: and the public servants accountable. Clay Tiffany was an ugly
Speaker 2: necessary part of the system, Cohen said. Clay did something
Speaker 2: that made the system work better, and there is a
Speaker 2: concern that we are losing that ability by the local
Speaker 2: press to hold people accountable for bad behavior. Tiffany was
Speaker 2: a voice, a true citizen journalist. While he wasn't right
Speaker 2: all the time, once in a while he hit a
Speaker 2: nerve that needs to be hit more. These voices are
Speaker 2: disappearing in this erosion that creates the need for Clay Tiffany,
Speaker 2: and the object lesson is Tartaglione. Clay was screaming that
Speaker 2: Tartaglione was a rogue cop before he was a drug dealer.
Speaker 2: He was an inconvenient truth to the system. That's a
Speaker 2: direct quote from your boy Cohen.
Speaker 3: Again, it was to be Netflix. That'd be like salivating
Speaker 3: to just get a hold of this bad boy and
Speaker 3: make a whole thing.
Speaker 2: Maybe now that more information is coming out with the
Speaker 2: Epstein stuff, maybe more people will start looking at Tartaglione,
Speaker 2: his cellmate who allegedly roughed him up and all these things,
Speaker 2: and maybe Clay Tiffany will get his second time in
Speaker 2: the sun.
Speaker 4: I hope.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I don't feel like he was a bad guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know the way that he spoke about him,
Speaker 3: it seemed like he was just like this horrible person.
Speaker 3: It's like he didn't seem like he was doing anything
Speaker 3: inherently evil or you know, terrible. Talking about conspiracies of
Speaker 3: what's going on.
Speaker 4: Not terrible, but he was.
Speaker 2: Continuing on the article, it says Riceman was one of
Speaker 2: many which Westchester residents who didn't care for Tiffany's antics.
Speaker 2: Tiffany had a bad habit of showing up unannounced to
Speaker 2: confront elected officials and journalists when he disagreed with what
Speaker 2: they were doing or weren't doing. Most people that knew
Speaker 2: Tiffany did not like him. Oh, I mean I could
Speaker 2: see that being.
Speaker 3: So he rocked the boat and pissed people off.
Speaker 4: He rocked the boat. He could be a tad on
Speaker 4: the annoying side.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, uh, you know, the people that
Speaker 2: claim the moon landing wasn't real, myself included, But there
Speaker 2: are people that will go the extra mile with that
Speaker 2: and meet up with buzz Aldrin when he's just like
Speaker 2: out and about mining his business and he is like
Speaker 2: an old man at this point, and they'll walk up
Speaker 2: to him with a Bible and be like, why won't
Speaker 2: you just swear on the Bible? You went to the moon,
Speaker 2: why won't you And then finally it's to the point
Speaker 2: where it's like, okay, piece of shit.
Speaker 4: Can I just have lunch? Can I just eat my meal?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Because you're lying to the people.
Speaker 2: And then you like he roundhouses these people when I
Speaker 2: actually roundhouse more like gives him that good old cross.
Speaker 2: But it's like, you know, these people who they believe
Speaker 2: that they're doing the right thing, confronting him NonStop. But
Speaker 2: it gets to the point where it's like, Okay, y'all
Speaker 2: are just annoying at this point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, Clay Tiffany didn't do this
Speaker 2: to everybody. He did it to people who he disagreed with,
Speaker 2: and then more often than not, he was correct.
Speaker 3: She made some claims like wasn't it Most of his claims, though,
Speaker 3: had at least truth and backing to a good bit
Speaker 3: of it, not all of it, but I mean he
Speaker 3: called out a lot of corruption and things that were
Speaker 3: being done or not done.
Speaker 4: To that point. Uh.
Speaker 2: Tiffany also heckled district attorney Janine Piro on several occasions
Speaker 2: blurting out, how's your husband, referring to al Piro and
Speaker 2: his tax troubles. And then again at her book signing.
Speaker 2: She was out signing books and he came up, microphone
Speaker 2: in hand. I was like, what's the matter, Janine? Did
Speaker 2: you have a bad face lift?
Speaker 10: So, like, I mean, yeah, I'm not saying that he's
Speaker 10: not funny, but there's you know, I could understand why
Speaker 10: people felt some type of way about him.
Speaker 3: All right, doesn't mean he didn't. I mean, I still
Speaker 3: think he died by the hands of the mafia, but.
Speaker 4: For sure I agree.
Speaker 2: But even still, like I said, every and then he
Speaker 2: would make a claim that was incorrect, and he may
Speaker 2: have been a bit of a dick Okay, maybe possibly,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't negate the truths that he was unveiling,
Speaker 2: you know, and that was his whole point.
Speaker 3: So, and to speak on the journalist thing, though most
Speaker 3: journalists can't they're trying, I will say that for all
Speaker 3: of TikTok's bullshit, which the only reason why I've actually
Speaker 3: been got into TikTok. I think it's been over a
Speaker 3: year now, I've kind of like had it and I've
Speaker 3: just like started learning it more. But I will say
Speaker 3: that journalists are able to some are able to voice
Speaker 3: more of their opinions than ever before that aren't being
Speaker 3: as silenced because once it goes viral, it is like
Speaker 3: just a mad house. And once that happens, they're able
Speaker 3: to continue the momentum, and unfortunately for I guess the
Speaker 3: ones that are being targeted, they can't slow it down.
Speaker 2: So but that's the other that's the dark side of it, right,
Speaker 2: once they get some momentum behind them, they will do
Speaker 2: and say anything to keep that momentum.
Speaker 3: And it again, it's just a yeah, there's two sides
Speaker 3: to every coin. But unfortunately, so much things, so many
Speaker 3: things that should be getting representation and deep dives half
Speaker 3: the time they're getting stopped. Like I was watching a
Speaker 3: whole thing about the glitter industry, and this woman went
Speaker 3: out of her way to do everything by the law correctly,
Speaker 3: and she was shut down at every turn, harassed everything else.
Speaker 3: And she's like, I'm just trying to ask some simple questions.
Speaker 3: Yet you guys are treating me like I'm trying to
Speaker 3: shut down this entire industry and kill a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of people. And it was just a simple journalist that
Speaker 3: just wanted to have some questions with the company and nope,
Speaker 3: and she's like, I'm not going to report on this
Speaker 3: any longer. And she did, I think like one or
Speaker 3: two quickly little things about it, and that that was.
Speaker 4: It, right.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing when they go out of when
Speaker 2: they the mainstream or the going narrative or the governing body,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, when they go out
Speaker 2: of their way to silence a person, there's a there's
Speaker 2: a difference between uh, this person, this this independent journalist
Speaker 2: harassing individual, even if that's an elected official. There is
Speaker 2: a fine line between harassing them to the point where
Speaker 2: like a what's it called a restraining order needs to
Speaker 2: be talked about, and them just going out of their
Speaker 2: way to call them out paparazzi style. There's there's levels
Speaker 2: to this, you know what I mean. And hell, even
Speaker 2: with the paparazzi, they go way above and beyond, way beyond,
Speaker 2: and more often than not they do need restraining orders
Speaker 2: to put on them because these people go to the
Speaker 2: obsessive level.
Speaker 4: It's it's a wild world out there, you know.
Speaker 3: But you always pick and cheese, like the weirdest things
Speaker 3: and the weirdest people will go after. Yeah, like, why
Speaker 3: not go after Nancy Pelosi? There is literallys decies worth
Speaker 3: of shit and you're just like meh.
Speaker 2: There is literally a website dedicated to tracking her stock portfolio,
Speaker 2: her and her husband's because there is no way the
Speaker 2: stock market as a whole has a average growth of
Speaker 2: ten percent. She has been right two hundred percent of
Speaker 2: the time. She has literally never missed as far as
Speaker 2: a really good investment. And it's crazy whenever she is
Speaker 2: a part of the program to pass laws to better
Speaker 2: certain industries and her portfolio looks like that.
Speaker 4: People know about this. We've talked about this, not just
Speaker 4: on this show, many many talking heads with much bigger
Speaker 4: platforms than us have talked about this. Nothing ever gets done.
Speaker 2: So to have a reporter not track her down, but
Speaker 2: confront her and call her out and report on this
Speaker 2: and then put it on YouTube, I'm good with this, Honestly.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's harassment. I think that's holding her accountable, yes,
Speaker 3: for the injustice that she's doing to the American people.
Speaker 2: And Clay Tiffany was all about holding people accountable. And again,
Speaker 2: there was a couple of claims that he made that
Speaker 2: were and why I said a couple that I'm being generous.
Speaker 4: There was a few, there was there was a number
Speaker 4: that he was wrong. Fine.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he ever published retractions. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he ever put out an apology. I feel
Speaker 2: like he didn't to be.
Speaker 3: Honest with you. I feel like he was one of
Speaker 3: those types of people where he was to triple down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like fuck you.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going to apologize.
Speaker 2: He got the shit beat out of him four times
Speaker 2: by this cop and then still to the day he died,
Speaker 2: showed up.
Speaker 3: Yes, the fact that he showed up and called out
Speaker 3: his dad in front of him and the reporter, that's
Speaker 3: a lot. That's pretty ballsy. I mean, that's pretty ballsy.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give him that. He definitely was about proving
Speaker 3: a point which I I can stand behind.
Speaker 4: I'll say that Clay Tiffany was here for the smoke
Speaker 4: and he wanted all of it. He wanted all of it,
Speaker 4: he wanted it in his body. Let's go.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, there is at least I love him,
Speaker 2: hate him whatever. You got to put a layer of
Speaker 2: respect on his.
Speaker 4: Name for that.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm curious to see if they'll actually if
Speaker 3: he'll gain some momentum because everything that's going on. And
Speaker 3: I just watched a really cool YouTube video about the
Speaker 3: prison cell, and it was talking about that whole situation
Speaker 3: and then leading up to his death, Epstein's death, and
Speaker 3: then showing it from different They actually built a mock
Speaker 3: studio of it with like the actual specifics of everything
Speaker 3: and the camera angles and how it would be and
Speaker 3: what was released and what wasn't released and what now
Speaker 3: is being released about it because they changed the narrative again,
Speaker 3: and so they were talking about the different times and
Speaker 3: the different you know, when the guards were there, when
Speaker 3: the guards weren't, what was with the cameras, and they
Speaker 3: were showing it from every different angle cameras.
Speaker 4: There was more than one camera, they swore up and down.
Speaker 4: There was only one camera and they haven't moon updated,
Speaker 4: so there was a minute flag time, but there was
Speaker 4: a second camera from a whole different angle, and that
Speaker 4: bitch is missing three minutes of time.
Speaker 3: And it's like they showed it from all different angles.
Speaker 3: That they built this entire cell perfectly just to make
Speaker 3: sure that they could visually walk you through it. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, yes, I'm a visual person, so to
Speaker 3: be able to walk through each each single thing that's
Speaker 3: been released, I thought it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I agree, and so yes, hopefully, with more light being
Speaker 2: shed on Epstein, hopefully more light will be shown onto
Speaker 2: tartag Leone and therefore on Clay Tiffany. Although it's not
Speaker 2: without we do need to mention the fact that there
Speaker 2: was a show that was made pretty much just to
Speaker 2: mock him. If anybody knows the actor John c Riley,
Speaker 2: which we mentioned earlier in the episode, as this guy
Speaker 2: kind of looked like him, there's a reason John c
Speaker 2: Riley created a character for an American comedy TV series
Speaker 2: called Check It Out with Doctor.
Speaker 4: Stephen Brule or Brulet.
Speaker 2: That was his character who has an uncanny similarity to
Speaker 2: Tiffany and his public access show. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: I have a quick clip from this right now. We're
Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and share the screen and we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about it here in just a second.
Speaker 4: If it looks like shitty editing, that's the point.
Speaker 6: Oh that's the sound of horse all right, I'm doctor
Speaker 6: Steve Brule. Today we talk about can.
Speaker 4: You guess ports?
Speaker 6: Well, if you don't have a car or a skrateboard.
Speaker 6: What are you gonna do? You're a ship out of luck. Charlie,
Speaker 6: get a horse, No, Charlie, horse, horse, horse to eat,
Speaker 6: horse to ride. Let's stop horsing the raft and check
Speaker 6: it out.
Speaker 1: Check it out.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, this was done as a mockery
Speaker 2: to our boy Tiffany. And if you've ever seen, there's
Speaker 2: memes of clips of that show. For the record, it's
Speaker 2: not my brain of comedy. Even before I knew anything
Speaker 2: about Clay Tiffany, it's I do like John c Riley
Speaker 2: as an actor and as a funny man on screen.
Speaker 4: I think he's great.
Speaker 2: This Basically I thought for the longest time that this
Speaker 2: was him shitting on the mentally handicapped, like I genuinely.
Speaker 3: Can it be about autistic people?
Speaker 2: Instead, come to find out it was strictly modeled off
Speaker 2: of Clay Tiffany and his public access show. And I
Speaker 2: don't think it was made to just make fun of him,
Speaker 2: but basically the premise of his show and his speech
Speaker 2: and his look and all these things that was him.
Speaker 2: So and you've probably seen memes of him that of
Speaker 2: this this show where he it's called check it Out,
Speaker 2: where he's looking around like like, what the hell is
Speaker 2: happening right now?
Speaker 4: You'll see that gift.
Speaker 2: A lot on social media is of like when someone
Speaker 2: says something really stupid, you'll probably see the gift right
Speaker 2: underneath it of John c Riley with the coat and
Speaker 2: tie looking like something fucking wrong here. But anyway, yes,
Speaker 2: Clay Tiffany was the inspiration behind this.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so now let's get on to tartag leone
Speaker 4: and the wild shit that he did. As a matter
Speaker 4: of fact, going on here. This is from New York
Speaker 4: NBC Channel four.
Speaker 2: Ex New York cop who used zip ties and point
Speaker 2: blank executions in twenty sixteen murders gets four life sentences. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's let's get into it now. Because remember he was
Speaker 2: just such a good cop. He went to all these
Speaker 2: different departments, and he, by his own emissions, said that
Speaker 2: you know, it was because it was there was it
Speaker 2: was too dangerous in the big city of Briar cliff
Speaker 2: manor the village of Briar cliff manor the village.
Speaker 4: Not New York City. He was never an NYPD cop.
Speaker 2: He was on these outlying suburbs, small town villages and
Speaker 2: all this. But like he kept swat popping up from
Speaker 2: brutality charges to harassment charges to obvious assault charges and everything.
Speaker 4: So then he retires.
Speaker 2: He got kicked off the force because the FBI had
Speaker 2: an investigation on him, and then the city ended up
Speaker 2: paying him back pay or the village, I should say,
Speaker 2: paid him back pay in the amount of three hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for time loss because of you know, him
Speaker 2: getting fired and all that.
Speaker 3: I like how he got more than Clay did for
Speaker 3: being assaulted and put in the hospital and everything else.
Speaker 3: He got more money for being the assaulter than the victim.
Speaker 3: Crazy how that works out right by the village, by
Speaker 3: the village, So.
Speaker 2: Let's find out here it goes. A foreign police officer
Speaker 2: was found guilty on all counts and the murders of
Speaker 2: four men in twenty sixteen. Prosecutors said they were killed
Speaker 2: execution style and buried in the officer's basement in New
Speaker 2: York's Orange County, all over a two hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: drug debt. Lydia Baquido reports, All right, so let's get
Speaker 2: into it here.
Speaker 4: This is the short and dirty of it, and then
Speaker 4: we're gonna read the article.
Speaker 2: All four men were found buried on the property of
Speaker 2: the former suburban New York police officer Nicholas Tartaglione, who's
Speaker 2: found guilty in the killings and sentenced to four life sentences.
Speaker 2: The bodies were recovered in December of twenty sixteen, about
Speaker 2: eight months after the four were killed in Otisville, about
Speaker 2: seventy miles north of Manhattan. At trial, defense attorneys argued
Speaker 2: that Tartaglione had nothing to do with the killings and
Speaker 2: was being used by the government as a convenient fall guy.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk more about why that's funny in and
Speaker 2: of itself, but anyway, Tartaglione gained further notoriety as a
Speaker 2: former cellmate of Jeffrey Epstein before the disgraced financier committed
Speaker 2: suicide quote unquote in a Manhattan jail cell in August
Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen while awaiting sex trafficking charges.
Speaker 4: Okay, so now let's get into it here.
Speaker 2: Tartaglione a retired police offe officer who served in Briarcliffe, Manor,
Speaker 2: Mount Vernon, and Yonkers.
Speaker 4: So the dude served with three different departments, had multiple
Speaker 4: investigations done into him, including the one by the FBI,
Speaker 4: but anyway, will serve the sentences consecutively for his role
Speaker 4: in the murder of four men, the US Attorney's office
Speaker 4: said Monday. During the sentencing, the judge in the case
Speaker 4: described Tartaglione as a quote monster. The fifty six year
Speaker 4: old was convicted in July of twenty twenty three, nearly
Speaker 4: four years after he briefly was a cellmate of Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4: And it's very funny that they mentioned briefly. It was brief,
Speaker 4: but in that time.
Speaker 2: Allegedly he threatened to beat the shit out of Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3: And he roughed roped him up quote unquote.
Speaker 2: Right, he was like threatening to kill him by his
Speaker 2: own emission. Then others say no, he absolutely fucked him up.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden he obviously had a
Speaker 2: hand in the murder. Then Jeffrey Epstein clearly killed himself.
Speaker 2: It goes stupid.
Speaker 3: He would have killed himself while in advance for the
Speaker 3: first prison sentence that he had, Yeah, thirteen months of
Speaker 3: wasn't it like just soft prison sentence?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean he had already served and then he had been
Speaker 3: multiple charges already been convicted against him. There's no way
Speaker 3: that he just, you know, magically decided today's the day
Speaker 3: I'm gonna die. Like, yeah, there's just no way. But
Speaker 3: I just to essentially beat him up because the mafia
Speaker 3: got used in the way of just letting him know that, hey,
Speaker 3: your time is expired.
Speaker 2: And yeah, but I'll also say this, remember when we
Speaker 2: talked about the autops of Jeffrey Epstein, and there was
Speaker 2: like three bone breaks that couldn't have happened even if
Speaker 2: it was his own body weight that had dropped.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: However, Tartaglione is a massive individual.
Speaker 3: He is a big dude.
Speaker 4: And although he's fifty six, he has not missed the
Speaker 4: Jim or leg Day one goddamn time in his life.
Speaker 3: What else is he gonna do?
Speaker 2: Before he even went to prison, he was already in prison.
Speaker 2: He's got nothing to do but work out. So while
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein may not have had his neck snap by
Speaker 2: his own body weight from the hanging, I could see
Speaker 2: him being strung up in tartagleone yanking him and cracking
Speaker 2: these things for sure.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: I could see him just in his life. Maybe, Well,
Speaker 3: isn't he trying to get a lower prison sentence too?
Speaker 4: He's trying to get pardoned. Oh yeah, by Trump, by
Speaker 4: RFK Junior Trump. But we're gonna get to all of
Speaker 4: that here in a bit, I promise.
Speaker 3: Makes a lot more since, especially when we go when
Speaker 3: we will go into the release of the emails and
Speaker 3: everything tomorrow. It makes a lot more sense now.
Speaker 2: And keep in mind, we have talked about Trump being
Speaker 2: mobbed up on this show for quite some time because
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be a businessman in New York City,
Speaker 2: especially in real estate which involves construction. You're not gonna
Speaker 2: get that done in New York City without going through
Speaker 2: something mafia related.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that we.
Speaker 3: Need a cork board with the red string and everything
Speaker 3: just bloo boo boo boo boopot this at all connects.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just insane. There's so many connections. But
Speaker 3: now that I'm thinking about it, it definitely makes a
Speaker 3: lot more sense, uh, for them to just use him
Speaker 3: and have him.
Speaker 4: Die like that? Why not?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And if tartag leone does take the fall for this
Speaker 2: murder as well, he's already serving four consecutive life sentences.
Speaker 2: This is what they call on the inside. It's called
Speaker 2: sending a torpedo right, so h it's yeah. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna get into the nitty gritty of it, but basically,
Speaker 2: you'll have these guys that will take out the trash
Speaker 2: quote unquote and they'll just commit some murders on the
Speaker 2: inside because they're never seeing the world again. They're never
Speaker 2: never gonna breathe the free air again. So if some
Speaker 2: dirty work needs to get done on the inside, perhaps
Speaker 2: their life on the inside.
Speaker 4: Could get a little more comfortable. And they're willing to
Speaker 4: do some dirt in order to make that happen.
Speaker 3: I mean though, to get pardoned.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, we'll see if that actually comes through
Speaker 2: to Fruition. I know that he's at least put it
Speaker 2: very weird calls. I have a whole article pulled up
Speaker 2: on that here in a moment, but an age. The
Speaker 2: bodies were recovered in December of twenty sixteen, about eight
Speaker 2: months after the four men. I'm gonna try to pronounce
Speaker 2: these names. They are of Latin nature. I apologize, I
Speaker 2: speak American English. Martin Luna, Miguel Luna, Urbano Santiago and
Speaker 2: Hector Gudieirez. I think, okay, we're killed in Otisville, seventy
Speaker 2: miles north of Manhattan. This is a direct quote again.
Speaker 2: Nicholas Star attacked the own brutally and senselessly murdered Martin
Speaker 2: Luna over money.
Speaker 4: And then ruthlessly executed Urbano Santiago, Miguel Luna, and Hector
Speaker 4: Gudieirez simply because they were in the wrong place at
Speaker 4: the wrong time.
Speaker 2: He tried to cover up his crimes by burying all
Speaker 2: four victims in a shallow grave on his property.
Speaker 4: US attorney Damian Williams said in a statement, today's sentence
Speaker 4: of four consecutive life terms justly reflects the pain and
Speaker 4: suffering each victim underwent at Tartaglione's hands. I hope that
Speaker 4: this outcome brings some measure of closure to the victim's
Speaker 4: families and to their community. After Tartaglion was found guilty,
Speaker 4: Williams said that the former cop mastermind the killing after
Speaker 4: suspected Martin Luna had stolen money from him. Prosecutor said
Speaker 4: Tartaglione lured Luna into.
Speaker 2: Meeting him at a bar in what became a deadly
Speaker 2: trap for the man. Two of his nephews and a
Speaker 2: family friend he brought with him, Prosecutor said into court papers,
Speaker 2: that Tartaglione drove Luna's body to the Otisville ranch while
Speaker 2: his co conspirators brought the other three.
Speaker 4: Men alive and bound to the same place.
Speaker 2: And when we talk about those co conspirators, we are
Speaker 2: going to be talking about them here in a minute,
Speaker 2: because all three of these dudes, bodybuilding dudes, who are
Speaker 2: all cops. One of them, the last name Biggs, is
Speaker 2: also serving a life sentence. The other one called the
Speaker 2: White Rhino, took his own life when the FBI closed
Speaker 2: in on him. But I'm getting ahead of myself. What
Speaker 2: occurred next direct quote from Williams could only be described
Speaker 2: as pure terror as titarg Leone tortured Martin then forced
Speaker 2: one of his nephews to watch as Tartaglione strangled Martin
Speaker 2: to death with a zip tie.
Speaker 4: The prosecutor said.
Speaker 2: Tartaglione and two associates then transported the three men or
Speaker 2: the three other men to a remote wooden location wooded rather,
Speaker 2: forcing them to kneel before shooting each of them in
Speaker 2: the back of the head and burying all four men
Speaker 2: in a mass grave. Prosecutor said Tartaglione shot one of
Speaker 2: the remaining three men himself. Tartaglion's heinous act represents a
Speaker 2: broader betrayal, as he was a former police officer who
Speaker 2: once swore to protect the very community he devastated. Well,
Speaker 2: hate to break it to you there, Williams qwitt. He
Speaker 2: was devastating the community higher time he wore a badge.
Speaker 3: He must have been shit of his job though, to
Speaker 3: bury these bodies on his land in a shallow grave,
Speaker 3: of all things, it's not knowing how to dispose of
Speaker 3: I mean, watch a damn Netflix series. You know how
Speaker 3: everyone knows how to dispose bodies at this point, Why
Speaker 3: would you bury them on your property? No?
Speaker 2: No, no, it gets better. This is how fucking retarded
Speaker 2: he was. His land in question was an animal refuge
Speaker 2: that he started as a nonprof with his retirement. He
Speaker 2: literally had animals on the land that could have ate
Speaker 2: these bodies, but he chose to bury them in a
Speaker 2: shallow gravenstep.
Speaker 3: Because he is so intelligent, he must be on a
Speaker 3: lot of blow or he used to be.
Speaker 2: I think trend it makes them stupid, it makes them crazy, honestly.
Speaker 3: I mean he probably did rounds of Trend and Dacca together.
Speaker 3: And I mean you're talking depends on what time frame
Speaker 3: and what kind of drugs.
Speaker 4: So mm hmm, I mean yeah, coke two probably, I
Speaker 4: mean that was what this all was about. He became
Speaker 4: a cocaine dealer.
Speaker 3: But you didn't even tell me, and I knew. I
Speaker 3: was like, he had to be a coke dealer.
Speaker 2: Well that was the drug deal going awry, right, So
Speaker 2: two hundred k came up missing and I don't know
Speaker 2: if that was in money or if that was in
Speaker 2: product or whatever the case was. But something went sideways
Speaker 2: with this deal which led to the killing of Martin.
Speaker 2: The three other people that were there just became collateral damage,
Speaker 2: honestly because they were witnesses and we can't be having
Speaker 2: no loose ends.
Speaker 4: So they all got gotten.
Speaker 3: And then why the hell would you put them on
Speaker 3: your property? Like why would you do this?
Speaker 2: You know, and it's not he's understood to be mafia connected, right,
Speaker 2: They could.
Speaker 3: Have disposed of the bodies in any way.
Speaker 2: There are so many ways to do that correctly, and
Speaker 2: he just he just went for this because it was
Speaker 2: a way. I guess continue on it says at tribal
Speaker 2: or excuse me. At trial, defense attorneys had argued that
Speaker 2: Tartag Leone had nothing to do with the killings and
Speaker 2: was being used by the government as a convenient fall guy.
Speaker 2: Tartagli Owe's attorney could not immediately be reached for comment
Speaker 2: after the sentencing.
Speaker 3: Shocker, when was he sentence? I'm sorry, when was he sentenced?
Speaker 4: Twenty sixteen? Hmm.
Speaker 3: I wonder if they like premeditated this.
Speaker 4: The murder or him getting involved with Epstein.
Speaker 3: Him getting involved with Epstein, because he would have to
Speaker 3: have killed people to get locked up. I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: in a really creepy, crazy world, I could see it
Speaker 3: being a thing.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe, but keep in mind, the jail cell
Speaker 2: or the jail that he went to was a high
Speaker 2: profile prison for New York. John Gottie at one point
Speaker 2: was the was in prison here. M So, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not like this was like he went to Rikers,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He wasn't like fighting for
Speaker 2: his life in Jin Pop.
Speaker 4: He was a cop who had mafia ties, So it
Speaker 4: makes sense that he would go to the mafia jail.
Speaker 4: That checks out to me too.
Speaker 2: And it's not like you had to be a you know,
Speaker 2: a murderer to get sent here. You just had to
Speaker 2: be high profile enough most people didn't know who Tartaglione was,
Speaker 2: but that didn't mean that he didn't have connections that
Speaker 2: could make sure that he went to a pleasant prison
Speaker 2: to serve out his life sentences.
Speaker 3: I mean, if they knew that Epstein was going to
Speaker 3: go down eventually, or it was all you know, premeditated
Speaker 3: and planned out. You know, if this guy didn't nobody
Speaker 3: knew him. He's just a lonely, low bottom feeding cop.
Speaker 3: How he ended up there specifically.
Speaker 4: Could all be a part of a plan. I'm with
Speaker 4: you one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: In July of twenty nineteen, Tartaglione shared a Manhattan jail
Speaker 2: cell with Epstein when the financier was placed on suicide
Speaker 2: watch after being discovered with bruises on his neck. Epstein
Speaker 2: allegedly hung himself weeks later while waiting trial.
Speaker 4: On his charges for hi ex trafficking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Now, before we get to the news
Speaker 2: article or the news clip that's gonna be talking about
Speaker 2: this in particular, I do want to mention of the
Speaker 2: three or the two co conspirators. One of them is
Speaker 2: serving life in jail right now, last named Biggs. The
Speaker 2: other one is on this article from the Daily Mail
Speaker 2: weightlifter and former NYPD officer known as White Rhino shoots
Speaker 2: himself dead after he was pulled over by the FBI
Speaker 2: in connection with a quadruple murder. Gerald Benderoff, forty eight,
Speaker 2: killed himself Wednesday morning in Haverstahl, New York. Multiple sources
Speaker 2: said law enforcement sources side of his friendship with the
Speaker 2: excott Nicholas Tartaglione, who was charged with a quadruple murder
Speaker 2: last year. Benderoth spent more than ten years at the
Speaker 2: NYPD and was a nine to eleven responder.
Speaker 4: Decided to be quote unquote big.
Speaker 2: And strong age thirteen after watching Conan the Barbarian and
Speaker 2: his diet included beer as soon as he woke up
Speaker 2: and a dozen eggs in one sitting.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting combo, but also Cony and the Barbarian
Speaker 3: one of the best movies.
Speaker 4: Agreed.
Speaker 2: Agreed, So this dude, whenever I tell you he was
Speaker 2: a massive human being, the White Rhino, three hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty pounds strong man.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: He competed in the Highland Games. You'll find a lot
Speaker 2: of pictures of him in a kilt, throwing the hammer
Speaker 2: or tossing cabers. I don't know how many people watch
Speaker 2: the Highland Games.
Speaker 4: I sure do. Tossing a caber is flipping a telephone
Speaker 4: pole end over end, and you are judged based off
Speaker 4: of how straight it lands once it flips.
Speaker 2: Not just anybody's gonna bear hug a telephone pole and
Speaker 2: lob that bitch up. You have to be a pretty
Speaker 2: stout motherfucker stowing that album. So three hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: pounds strong man and former NYPD cop known in the
Speaker 2: weightlifting world as White Rhino, killed himself Wednesday after being
Speaker 2: pulled over by the FBI. Let's see we talked about Haverstall.
Speaker 2: He was stopped in Haverstall, New York, around eight twenty
Speaker 2: a m. He shot and killed himself as officials approached
Speaker 2: the vehicle. Law enforcement sources cited Benderrofth's close friendship with
Speaker 2: the former cop Nicholas tartagleone. We talked about that one already.
Speaker 2: The avid weightlifter who was once filmed hoisting an eight
Speaker 2: hundred pounds Barbell, decided he would be big and strong
Speaker 2: after watching Conan the Barbarian. His law enforcement career, like
Speaker 2: I said, ten years in the NYPD, during which he
Speaker 2: was a nine to eleven first responder, continue on the article.
Speaker 2: Authorities didn't confirm why Benderoth had been pulled over, but
Speaker 2: told the North Rockland Daily Voice about his relationship with Tartagleone.
Speaker 2: Tartagleone a fellow weightlifter. We already talked about the charges
Speaker 2: he was arrested for in the December prior to this.
Speaker 2: The former cop has been charged by the US Attorney
Speaker 2: Pett Bajara's office with a participation in a conspiracy to
Speaker 2: distribute five kilos or more of cocaine and the senseless
Speaker 2: murders of four men. Tartaglione was previously involved in a
Speaker 2: feud with TV host Clay Tiffin, who accused the ex
Speaker 2: officer of assaulting him before earning a one million dollar settlement.
Speaker 4: I think that this so he got more. I feel
Speaker 4: like this report might have.
Speaker 2: Some information incorrect on that one, because everything else we
Speaker 2: say we found said two hundred K. Now, I don't
Speaker 2: know how much of that too, the amount the lawyers took,
Speaker 2: and maybe after it was all said and done, he
Speaker 2: got two hundred K.
Speaker 4: I don't know. This is the first time I've ever
Speaker 4: seen that Klay Tiffany was awarded a million dollars.
Speaker 2: But all right, so it is unclear how Benderroth might
Speaker 2: have been connected to the case, but the FBI declined
Speaker 2: to identify the strong Man, but confirmed that The New
Speaker 2: York Post that someone had committed suicide but after being
Speaker 2: stopped is that the current in a residential street not
Speaker 2: far from an elementary school.
Speaker 4: Benderroth recounted in.
Speaker 2: A twenty twelve video how he watched Okay, we're talked
Speaker 2: about Coden the Barbarian, continuing on do you there's a
Speaker 2: lot of pictures.
Speaker 4: I'm just like skipping over on this.
Speaker 2: Benderoff, who placed high in three American straw Man competitions
Speaker 2: between twenty or two thousand and six and two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight, was named the tenth strongest bodybuilder in the
Speaker 2: United States in two thousand and eight. He appeared in
Speaker 2: a twenty ten clip lifting one hundred and eighty five
Speaker 2: pounds with just one arm. The straw Man, who load
Speaker 2: the word diet and deemed it worse than the sea word,
Speaker 2: fueled his muscles with a daily shake of protein powder, oatmeal, oatmeal, milk,
Speaker 2: and banana.
Speaker 4: It's crazy that.
Speaker 2: They're going in on his like diet and talking about
Speaker 2: his straw man shit when it's like bro he literally
Speaker 2: dropped one of these people and shot him in the
Speaker 2: back of the head to cover up for his boy
Speaker 2: and then buried him in a shallow grave.
Speaker 4: And the daily they're they're.
Speaker 3: Like treating him like he's some just this fantastic person
Speaker 3: that just happened to kill themselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's some of these sources, you know. They it's
Speaker 4: kind of.
Speaker 3: It's kind of wild to me, Like you're you're talking
Speaker 3: about a murder's daily routine, Like good for him, No,
Speaker 3: he still killed people for literally no reason.
Speaker 2: Like, we have more important things to discuss as far
Speaker 2: as this particular gentleman is concerned. But yes, please tell
Speaker 2: me his workout routine, what inspired him to get into lifting,
Speaker 2: and what his daily diet consisted.
Speaker 3: Of, like what bro his accomplishments, his awards, Like we
Speaker 3: need to know all of this because clearly he's an
Speaker 3: American hero who murdered a dude who murdered people, helped
Speaker 3: bury three other people, like.
Speaker 4: And was a coke dealer. Confirmed. Yeah, so sure.
Speaker 3: He was letting people live their truth. Okay, obviously by
Speaker 3: helping them get high.
Speaker 4: Goddamn American hero.
Speaker 3: He's a fucking hero, Okay, live in the bestest.
Speaker 4: Just doing his thing. You know anyway. So now I
Speaker 4: want to go ahead and play this clip from twelve News,
Speaker 4: the exclusive Nicholas Tartaglion breaks his silence ahead of murder sentencing.
Speaker 4: This was years ago.
Speaker 2: Now it was only posted a YouTube about a year ago,
Speaker 2: but this was actually closer like seven or eight years
Speaker 2: ago as a time of recording. So let's hear from
Speaker 2: the man himself what he has to say about the
Speaker 2: whole situation. It's it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 8: To a new twelve exclusive. Right now, a former Westchester
Speaker 8: police officer facing back to back sentences for killing four
Speaker 8: men in Orange County is breaking his silence in a
Speaker 8: first ever interview since his arrest, and this is just
Speaker 8: days before sentencing. Our Blaze Gomez has the interview with
Speaker 8: Nicholas Tartaglione.
Speaker 4: I didn't do this.
Speaker 3: I happy evidence to get me home.
Speaker 9: Nicholas Tartaglione has spent eight years behind bars for murders
Speaker 9: he says he didn't commit cos I didn't.
Speaker 3: I was running an animal rescue organization. That's who I am.
Speaker 9: The former Briarcliffe man Or police officer was found guilty
Speaker 9: by a jury last year in the killings of four
Speaker 9: migrants in Orange County News twelve spoke to him Thursday
Speaker 9: by phone from inside the Manhattan Correctional Center in his
Speaker 9: last ditch effort to change the outcome of his case.
Speaker 3: Tell me exactly what happened.
Speaker 9: Were you involved in it?
Speaker 3: The only involvement I had in this was Marcos.
Speaker 4: And Martin asked me if I knew anybody that could
Speaker 4: help them find somebody that stole money.
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, here's this guy, and I gave him
Speaker 3: Bender Wilf's.
Speaker 4: Number, and I gave him big number.
Speaker 9: Prosecutors say Tartaglione planned the murders with accomplices Marcos Cruz,
Speaker 9: Gerard Betteroth, Joseph Biggs, and Jason Sullivan.
Speaker 3: They say the.
Speaker 9: Killing stemmed from soured plans to start a cocaine dealing
Speaker 9: business with one of the victims. He was convicted of
Speaker 9: strangling one victim at his brother's bar in Chester and
Speaker 9: shooting another execution style at his property in Mount Hope,
Speaker 9: where the men were found buried by FBI.
Speaker 4: The truth will come out if the jury was able
Speaker 4: to see what we had my beharm right now.
Speaker 9: Tartaglione alleges witnesses lied on the stand and says his
Speaker 9: former attorney didn't present evidence that would show he's innocent.
Speaker 9: He says, prosecutors used videos and recordings that were altered.
Speaker 9: Tartaglione has hired a new defense team and is appealing
Speaker 9: for a set trial, prosecute or describe the killings among
Speaker 9: the most vile, horrific crimes imaginable Blaize Gomez News twelve.
Speaker 8: So.
Speaker 4: I also find it interesting that the bar that they
Speaker 4: were supposed to meet up at was owned by his brother,
Speaker 4: tartag the own's brother owned that bar.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was clear that he premeditated this suation.
Speaker 3: He planned it out, but planned it out so poorly,
Speaker 3: especially for a cop.
Speaker 4: And then drops names on his co conspirators, his brothers
Speaker 4: by the law and all that drops their names like
Speaker 4: it ain't shit, Joseph Biggs, this is gone over here,
Speaker 4: is like, Bro, you a snitch and a dirty cop.
Speaker 4: You ain't worth a fuck.
Speaker 3: No, he's he's definitely in piece of shit human being.
Speaker 3: And the fact that they did it so poorly though,
Speaker 3: you said they were all cops. Yes, at one point,
Speaker 3: so they were all cops and they all fucked this
Speaker 3: up that badly.
Speaker 2: Yes, they were all cops with years of experience. It
Speaker 2: wasn't like this was a new guy on the force.
Speaker 2: They were also all bodybuilders. That's another way that this
Speaker 2: group got together on this who all decided to get
Speaker 2: involved in the cocaine business and then couldn't figure out
Speaker 2: how to cover up a murder.
Speaker 3: I don't even understand, like the two plus two is
Speaker 3: not equally four in this situation.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: Kind of, but I mean even still, it's all the
Speaker 2: evidence points to that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 4: Like these dudes who you would think would.
Speaker 2: Be smart enough to cover their tracks, hide the bodies better, dispose.
Speaker 4: Of them better.
Speaker 2: Don't do it on your own land, don't do it
Speaker 2: at an establishment where there's video, security cameras, all of that.
Speaker 2: There shouldn't be any clear motive. You should maybe get
Speaker 2: an outside source to do this dirt for you. There's
Speaker 2: so many levels of how an actual criminal knows how
Speaker 2: to do things. And these guys who were cops, now, granted,
Speaker 2: whenever I say that they were cops, we know for
Speaker 2: sure the tartag leone was dirty start to finish. I
Speaker 2: don't know if these other cops were dirty start to finish.
Speaker 2: And because they were, they weren't like actual cops, like
Speaker 2: they wore a badge that you know, clocked in. But
Speaker 2: it's not like they were actually like investigators who worked cases.
Speaker 4: They were more or less just like hired muscle, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So like maybe they really were
Speaker 4: that bad at their jobs as possible.
Speaker 3: Maybe I still stand by my theory. I'm gonna stand
Speaker 3: by tripling down on it.
Speaker 4: You think tartag Leone is innocent.
Speaker 3: No, no, God, no. I think that they were. I
Speaker 3: think that he's planted for future Ebstein. I think that
Speaker 3: they knew the seat. I don't know. If we're thinking
Speaker 3: about project looking at glass, then they know already what's
Speaker 3: going to happen. I don't know. It just seems weirdly coincidental.
Speaker 3: And all the ties with Trump and the cell situation
Speaker 3: and him going to that specific prison and when reality
Speaker 3: he should have just been thrown in a normal prison.
Speaker 1: Why that?
Speaker 3: Why that one? I mean, he's not that deep into it.
Speaker 2: I will say that I could envision a world hypothetically,
Speaker 2: of course, where the FBI knows a lot.
Speaker 4: More than they let on, you know, a lot more.
Speaker 2: And because of that, it's possible that they knew that
Speaker 2: Tartaglione was dealing coke. They knew that he had killed
Speaker 2: these people who tipped off the FBI because allegedly these
Speaker 2: were migrants.
Speaker 4: We don't know if they were even legal nephew.
Speaker 3: I don't believe so because it's so okay, so white,
Speaker 3: that's who the white rhino died correcked. He took his
Speaker 3: own life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he took his own life whenever the FBI
Speaker 2: got to his car.
Speaker 3: Okay, So who else was involved in it? Again?
Speaker 2: A dude named Joseph Biggs, and there was another name
Speaker 2: that they just dropped a second to go, But I
Speaker 2: couldn't find anything to say that they actually ever convicted
Speaker 2: him or arrested him or what. Biggs is also in.
Speaker 3: Jail though, Okay, maybe it was the other guy, maybe
Speaker 3: it was the nephew. Maybe even still, what would you
Speaker 3: what would you get from that?
Speaker 6: Though?
Speaker 3: I don't understand what why we and then give that
Speaker 3: information up? Why was he investigated? I don't know. It
Speaker 3: just doesn't just coincidences, so find kind of odd.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if to your point, they wanted this guy
Speaker 2: to be in the same prison as Epstein and they
Speaker 2: wanted him to be forced to do some dirt for
Speaker 2: them to silence Epstein.
Speaker 4: So on that kind of a vibe here, m hmm.
Speaker 4: If the FBI already.
Speaker 2: Knew that he was guilty of dealing coke, they had
Speaker 2: already done an investigation on him years prior because of
Speaker 2: Clay Tiffany.
Speaker 4: So they know this dude is.
Speaker 2: Mobbed up, they know he's dirty, all these things already,
Speaker 2: there's a file on him, and so they've find out that, yeah,
Speaker 2: he did some deals and he murdered some people. But like,
Speaker 2: they didn't initially arrest him. They had to get things
Speaker 2: in line, so to speak. We waited exactly. So it's
Speaker 2: not that anybody tipped them off. They already knew about it.
Speaker 2: They were deciding when it was time to arrest him
Speaker 2: and everything because they needed all the chips to fall
Speaker 2: into place at the right time.
Speaker 3: Yep. I just think that there is more to this
Speaker 3: than what we're gonna be able to find on the internet.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: So now let's get into the Epstein situation here. This
Speaker 2: is from CBS News the night Jeffrey Epstein claimed his
Speaker 2: cellmate tried to kill him. Okay, Jeffrey Epstein lay in
Speaker 2: the fetal position on the floor of his jail, Celle
Speaker 2: unresponsive with an orange fabric noose tied around his neck.
Speaker 2: The post midnight quiet of the Metropolitan Correctional Center secure
Speaker 2: housing unit was punctured as a corrections officer called for help.
Speaker 2: It was one twenty on July twenty third, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: eighteen days before Epstein's death. He was breathing, his eyes
Speaker 2: open and shutting occasionally, but he wouldn't or couldn't respond
Speaker 2: to officers questions and commands. According to a confidential corrections
Speaker 2: officer's memo obtained by CBS News, they hoisted inmate seven
Speaker 2: six three one eight dash zero five to four onto
Speaker 2: a stretcher.
Speaker 4: That's Epstein, by the way.
Speaker 2: Federal officers have repeatedly said Epstein's eventual death by suicide
Speaker 2: was foreshadowed by this earlier alleged attempt. Former Attorney General
Speaker 2: Bill Barr reiterated that the claim in an August closed
Speaker 2: door deposition before the House Oversight Committee, which released the
Speaker 2: interview transcripts last week. Barr, who did not reply to
Speaker 2: questions from CBS News, said in his testimony he knew
Speaker 2: about the July twenty third incident, which he viewed as
Speaker 2: an attempted suicide. Barr he said he is considered he
Speaker 2: considered it indicative of Epstein's state of mind. But jail
Speaker 2: staff memos and other new, never before reported documents obtained
Speaker 2: by CBS News, as well as interviews with more than
Speaker 2: a dozen people who interacted with Epstein before and after
Speaker 2: the incident, revealed a murkier picture than the one depicted
Speaker 2: by bar Shocker. The new documents of surface amid persistent
Speaker 2: speculation over Epstein's death, despite officials conclusions that he died
Speaker 2: by suicide. As Corrections officers entered Epstein's cell on July
Speaker 2: twenty third, they were greeted by a chaotic scene. According
Speaker 2: to a source close to the investigation, He's laying on
Speaker 2: the floor and his bunkie is screaming.
Speaker 4: I did nothing.
Speaker 2: I banged on the door to get him out of
Speaker 2: the cell, the source said. Corrections officers carried Epstein to
Speaker 2: a cell on a different floor as he remained unresponsive.
Speaker 2: Moments after becoming alert, Epstein gave officers his first account
Speaker 2: of what happened. The record show he told them he
Speaker 2: thought he had been attacked by his cellmate, an ex
Speaker 2: cop who was awaiting trial on four murders.
Speaker 3: He thought or he did.
Speaker 2: Epstein's admission was that his cellmate attacked him and tried
Speaker 2: to strangle him, but the official report says that Epstein
Speaker 2: had an attempted suicide with a cellmate sitting right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, because that makes a whole bunch of sense,
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of especially when you don't want to
Speaker 3: get charged for murder inside of the cell.
Speaker 4: Which he's already about to get convicted for four murders,
Speaker 4: like he hadn't been sentenced at this point.
Speaker 2: But he knew what was up. It was guaranteed that
Speaker 2: this was going to go down. But sure, okay, it
Speaker 2: was clearly an attempt at suicide. Nothing more to look at.
Speaker 3: There, nothing to see here.
Speaker 2: Continuing, he said, he sat up on the bed and
Speaker 2: began telling me that he thinks his bunkie tried to
Speaker 2: kill him.
Speaker 4: A responding officer wrote in a memo.
Speaker 2: They kept changing the words too, like, obviously he said, no,
Speaker 2: that fucker tried to kill me.
Speaker 4: But they're like, so you think he tried to kill you?
Speaker 2: No, he tried to Okay, so you think you remember
Speaker 2: that he No, I didn't think it, I know it.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna write down that he thinks it.
Speaker 3: Bro that doesn't make any sense. You either know there's
Speaker 3: two of you in a cell, either you try to
Speaker 3: kill yourself or your cellmate tried to kill you.
Speaker 2: A senior officer wrote in a separate incident report that
Speaker 2: Epstein initially implicated his cellmate in the incident, claiming he
Speaker 2: had previously said things that made Epstein feel threatened. So okay.
Speaker 2: Epstein would later back off the claim, saying instead that
Speaker 2: he couldn't remember what happened. Nicholas Tartaglione, the cellmate, has
Speaker 2: repeatedly disputed the initial allegation and said he tried to
Speaker 2: revive Epstein right when they walked in.
Speaker 4: He was over here trying to give him, you know, CPR.
Speaker 4: He was awake, mouth, yeah, yeah, he as with Epstein's
Speaker 4: eventual death. Any camera footage of the incident was either
Speaker 4: mislaid or lost or never captured by the facilities falty
Speaker 4: system right. Tartaglione has not responded to emailed questions from
Speaker 4: CBS News. His lawyer said Epstein's initial claim that Tartaglione
Speaker 4: tried to kill him was flatly not true. He saved
Speaker 4: his life the first time, said Inga Parsons.
Speaker 2: The attorney Tartaglione said in a recent interview with the
Speaker 2: podcast House and Habit that Epstein also left a suicide
Speaker 2: note and had even offered Tartaglione money.
Speaker 4: To kill him.
Speaker 2: So wait what So at first they get there, Epstein's
Speaker 2: clearly shook up and he's got a fabric noose made
Speaker 2: around his neck, and the Selly's like, I.
Speaker 4: Didn't do anything.
Speaker 2: I didn't do shit I was And then it was, well,
Speaker 2: I was trying to revive him. Now it's he left
Speaker 2: a suicide note and even tried to hire me to
Speaker 2: kill him.
Speaker 3: But what I like, how it just kept changing. And
Speaker 3: wasn't it like two or three of the people that
Speaker 3: committed quote unquote suicide that seniors had the silk ropes
Speaker 3: around their neck.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I think there's more than three, to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: I probably I believe there's a It was its own
Speaker 3: conspiracy in and of itself, like it's a certain way
Speaker 3: that you die by strangulation. When it comes to having
Speaker 3: this silk around their neck.
Speaker 2: To be fair white and silk. It was like either
Speaker 2: their bed sheets or a jumpsuit. It was some type
Speaker 2: of fabric that they had, well.
Speaker 3: I know, but the other ones I was talking about
Speaker 3: had silk and different weird things. But maybe they just
Speaker 3: ritual ritualistic sacrificed him.
Speaker 2: I mean, seeing is how he had a temple on
Speaker 2: his island where I guarantee there was other types of
Speaker 2: rituals being performed.
Speaker 4: Hey, why not?
Speaker 2: You know makes sense anyway, It says Neither of those details,
Speaker 2: if true, are referenced in any of the Bureau of Prisons.
Speaker 4: Records that were reviewed by CBS News.
Speaker 2: So this whole conversation about how you know there was
Speaker 2: a suicide note and he offered tartag the own money
Speaker 2: and none.
Speaker 4: Of that's on the record whatsoever.
Speaker 2: News outlets have reported previously on Epstein's allegation and investigator's
Speaker 2: conclusion or lack thereof, about the incident. Epstein expressed concern
Speaker 2: about his cellmate the day before the incident, according to
Speaker 2: a corrections memo and a source who agreed to speak
Speaker 2: with CBS News on the condition that they not be identified.
Speaker 2: Epstein claimed to both the corrections officers and the source
Speaker 2: that he felt threatened bar Tartaglion, a hulking retired cop
Speaker 2: turned drug dealer who was charged and later convicted for
Speaker 2: four murders. Epstein said the officer or said to the
Speaker 2: officer that he hadn't previously been comfortable reporting the alleged
Speaker 2: threat because, quote, his bunkie told him that if he
Speaker 2: if he beat him up because of the you know,
Speaker 2: che sex, trafficking in things charges, the officer would.
Speaker 4: Not report it, which, to be fair, Yeah, that's sir,
Speaker 4: that is how things go down in prison. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: The wealthy former financier told a jail officer that he
Speaker 2: believed Tartaglione was trying to extort money from him and
Speaker 2: stated that he he didn't pay him, if he didn't
Speaker 2: pay him, that he would beat him up. He stated
Speaker 2: that this has been going on for a week, so okay,
Speaker 2: maybe he was trying to get a little.
Speaker 3: Extra he he just fell like on a bar soap
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 2: Possibly he was trying to get a little bit more
Speaker 2: money out of Epstein before the murder took place.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist. I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 2: Epstein told a different officer that they on the eve
Speaker 2: of July, or on the eve of the July incident,
Speaker 2: his cell may had gotten a hold of a copy
Speaker 2: of New York Daily News. Epstein former financial advisor, confidante
Speaker 2: to some of the world's most powerful people, and prolific
Speaker 2: sex abuser of girls and young women, said Tartaglion, and
Speaker 2: pointed to a story about Epstein in the paper. Tartaglion
Speaker 2: said it placed his net worth at seventy seven million dollars.
Speaker 2: According to Epstein, that figure instead matches a value for
Speaker 2: Epstein's New York mansion, cited in multiple articles in the
Speaker 2: paper that month.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was worth way more than seventy seven million.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, one billion just transferred for quote unquote sex things. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they released so, I mean, and I still believe, honestly,
Speaker 3: that's such a low number. I think they had hidden
Speaker 3: offshore accounts. I think, honestly, Epstein was worth billions of dollars.
Speaker 2: Right so, Epstein said. He crumpled up the article and
Speaker 2: threw it out and turned in for bed. He told
Speaker 2: an officer he remembered waking up at one am to
Speaker 2: get a drink of water and walking back to his bed.
Speaker 2: The next thing he recalled, he said, was roughly half
Speaker 2: an hour later, when corrections officers rushed into his cell.
Speaker 2: Epstein initially said he thought he was attacked, but later equivocated.
Speaker 2: He has to be put back in the same cell
Speaker 2: with Tartaglione, according to a twenty twenty three report by
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice Inspector General, but also insisted he
Speaker 2: would never have tried to kill himself.
Speaker 3: So one or two giant red flags.
Speaker 4: Just a few fine, it's fine, everything's fine.
Speaker 2: After the incident, Epstein was moved to a room where
Speaker 2: he was placed on suicide watch and closely monitored for
Speaker 2: the next thirty one hours. In his first minutes there,
Speaker 2: he twice sat on the edge of the bed and
Speaker 2: began moving forward as if he was attempting to fall
Speaker 2: over head first.
Speaker 4: A corrections officer wrote.
Speaker 2: Told to stop, Epstein responded, okay, I won't do it again,
Speaker 2: and then gave the thumbs up and again, what source
Speaker 2: are we trusting on this?
Speaker 4: The source that has cameras that doesn't work.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Another corrections officer assigned to watch over Epstein in the
Speaker 2: hours following the July twenty third incident was Michael Thomas.
Speaker 2: According to a document attained by CBS News, Thomas is
Speaker 2: the officer who discovered Epstein dead in his cell on
Speaker 2: August tenth, twenty nineteen. According to the Justice Department, he
Speaker 2: and another officer were later charged with falsifying documents related
Speaker 2: to the night of Epstein's death, but those charges were dropped.
Speaker 4: Shocker.
Speaker 3: What were they charged with?
Speaker 4: Falsifying documents?
Speaker 3: So just saying that he was alone in the cell.
Speaker 2: Basically they gave a eight They gave a narrative and
Speaker 2: that was proven to be false, so they were charged
Speaker 2: with that and then that those.
Speaker 4: Charges were dropped.
Speaker 3: Of course they were, of course right.
Speaker 4: Because Epstein was on suicide watch.
Speaker 2: After the July twenty third incident, Thomas was required to
Speaker 2: record a log of observations about Epstein in fifteen minute increments.
Speaker 2: Those notations were released by the Bureau of Prisons in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, along with just one entry he made
Speaker 2: in the log, a note made at two fifteen am,
Speaker 2: forty five minutes after the incident.
Speaker 4: So basically they pencil whip the.
Speaker 2: Paperwork, which is illegal and it really didn't play out
Speaker 2: well for them. Fifteen minutes later, at two thirty am,
Speaker 2: Thomas wrote inmate, sitting on bed, trying to remember what
Speaker 2: happened on.
Speaker 4: The CBS news. They actually have.
Speaker 2: A print out or a carbon copy a photocopy of
Speaker 2: the logbook.
Speaker 4: The handwriting is atrocious. I can't even read it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, around that time, a correction supervisor was interviewing
Speaker 2: Tartaglione about the incident. Tartagli Own said he had given
Speaker 2: the bottom bunk to Epstein because he was old the
Speaker 2: direct quote and had moved in had moved his own
Speaker 2: mattress to the floor. Tartagli Own set a corrections officer
Speaker 2: that he was sleeping with his headphones on when he
Speaker 2: felt something hit his leg. Jeff, what are you doing,
Speaker 2: Tartaglione said, and he asked into the darkness. He said
Speaker 2: he turned on the light and found Epstein's sitting slumped
Speaker 2: on the floor, leaning to the side, with his eyes
Speaker 2: open but unresponsive, with fabricground his neck. According to another
Speaker 2: officer's memo, tartagli Own said he yelled for jail staff.
Speaker 2: Documents reviewed by CBS News did not indicate what steps
Speaker 2: jail staff took to investigate Epstein's allegations related to Tartaglione.
Speaker 2: In response to questions from CBS News, the Bureau of
Speaker 2: Prisons said that the agency does not provide information related
Speaker 2: to investigations which Okay, I could understand the jail as
Speaker 2: chief psychologist later speculated two investigators for the Inspector General
Speaker 2: that there were three possible explanations for the incident. In
Speaker 2: one version of events, she wrote, either Epstein or Tartag
Speaker 2: the owned were gaming the system to get something they wanted.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Another explanation was that Epstein had conducted a rehearsal of
Speaker 2: his eventual suicide unlikely, and a third possibility was that,
Speaker 2: as Epstein initially claimed, he was assaulted. She told investigators
Speaker 2: that she considered the third scenario less plausible, although she
Speaker 2: did not know for certain. How was that the least
Speaker 2: plausible option.
Speaker 3: Didn't he have bruises on his neck? Yes, and he
Speaker 3: had broken bones?
Speaker 2: You're well he actually died or from this one?
Speaker 3: Well, he had bruises from this one, and then he
Speaker 3: had broken bones for the suicide.
Speaker 2: Right, And so again you're not gonna dry run this
Speaker 2: with your cellmate in the cell with you.
Speaker 3: Let's do a mock run really quick to make sure
Speaker 3: that I got it, like aok, and you know where
Speaker 3: you're going to be, and I know where I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be doing and like like in the dark, yeah, in
Speaker 3: the dark. Let's just practice it, okay, and keep.
Speaker 4: In mind he was on the bottom bunk, so like,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: What does he need to practice?
Speaker 4: It makes no sense, None of it makes sense.
Speaker 2: It's infuriating anyway, continuing here, Epstein remained on suicide watch
Speaker 2: for a little more than a day. During that time,
Speaker 2: inmate volunteers kept logs briefly documenting check ins at fifteen
Speaker 2: minute intervals. The morning updates were largely mundane. In made
Speaker 2: Epstein pacing around, It made Epstein is hungry, and made Epstein.
Speaker 4: Wash his neck. By the next evening, he became more chatty.
Speaker 2: According to the logs, this direct quote here inmate Epstein
Speaker 2: is talking about finance. It made Epstein is talking about science,
Speaker 2: talking about math, and made Epstein is talking about the
Speaker 2: prison environment, talking about the experience teaching mathematics and physics,
Speaker 2: one volunteer wrote in successive updates. On the morning of
Speaker 2: July twenty fourth, Epstein's status was downgraded from suicide watch
Speaker 2: to psychological observation. That day, a regional administrator who oversaw
Speaker 2: more than a dozen jails and prisons asked for an
Speaker 2: explanation of the change inmates place under psychological observation. As
Speaker 2: opposed to suicide watch, were considered not imminently suicidal. One
Speaker 2: of the forensic psychologists told investigators it was quote not
Speaker 2: healthy for inmates to stay on suicide watch for extended
Speaker 2: periods of time end quote. She observed signs of positivity
Speaker 2: and that Epstein adamantly denied suicide Okay.
Speaker 3: Did they still legally have to have him on like
Speaker 3: a seventy two hour watch.
Speaker 4: At bare minimum?
Speaker 2: That is standard protocol by law, not just in jails,
Speaker 2: even in the civilian world.
Speaker 4: Right. Even the downgraded status bothered Epstein.
Speaker 2: The record show he insisted to jail staff that he
Speaker 2: wouldn't try to kill himself.
Speaker 4: He denied feeling hopeless. He was reporting positive future plans
Speaker 4: and reasons to live. For one staff wrote in an
Speaker 4: August first report. He described himself to one source that
Speaker 4: week as too much of a coward quote unquote to
Speaker 4: kill himself, and wondered aloud to another source if the
Speaker 4: incident had been a prank gone wrong. The event was
Speaker 4: expunged from Epstein's official record after the jails disciplinary proceedings
Speaker 4: failed to prove he committed self mutilation. Following the incident,
Speaker 4: Epstein expressed concern to the Bureau of Prison employees about
Speaker 4: being housed back in the same unit, saying he felt
Speaker 4: it was dangerous quote unquote.
Speaker 2: According to the IG report, Epstein was assigned a new
Speaker 2: cell mate, Efrin Rays, and moved back on July thirtieth.
Speaker 2: Nine days later, Reyes was transferred or it might be Rays.
Speaker 2: As night fell, Epstein found himself without a bunkie. Hours later,
Speaker 2: the early morning quiet of the secure housing unit was
Speaker 2: once again punctured as a corrections office a call for help.
Speaker 2: Epstein was once again on the floor of his cell.
Speaker 2: This time his body was cold to the touch. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so just reading this article, there is more than a
Speaker 2: few massive red flags that we can't overlook here.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what to say about it.
Speaker 3: This is that he was killed.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean obviously, but like this is this is
Speaker 2: as bad of an example of investigations being so just
Speaker 2: off from start to finish.
Speaker 4: This is okay, O J. Simpson.
Speaker 2: That whole case that is used that's used in colleges
Speaker 2: for law students on how not to handle evidence and
Speaker 2: how not to conduct an investigation. Mm hm, this is
Speaker 2: that egregious in my opinion.
Speaker 3: M I agree, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 2: And so who knows maybe tar tag le own you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in prison, child predators are not living their best lives.
Speaker 2: Let's put it like that. So it's very possible that's
Speaker 2: Tartagli almost trying to extort some money out of them.
Speaker 4: I could see. That doesn't mean that he also wasn't.
Speaker 2: Going to do the job when the time came right,
Speaker 2: because I mean, end of the day, he is a
Speaker 2: mob guy, and the mafia and other very powerful influential
Speaker 2: people had connections to Tartaglion' That's an understood fact on
Speaker 2: that one as well. So when you couple that with
Speaker 2: the manner in which Epstein died, you couple that with
Speaker 2: the situation, the prior incident between the two, all of
Speaker 2: these things.
Speaker 3: Trump you know, connection, yeah, you know, and now maybe
Speaker 3: potential connection to him again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's talk about that, shall we.
Speaker 2: This article is from the New York Post, and I
Speaker 2: understand it's a New York Post, So some people are
Speaker 2: going to say that this is an absolute excellent source.
Speaker 4: Some people are gonna say it's basically tabloid rags. Listen,
Speaker 4: I'm not here to debate that between anything, but I
Speaker 4: did do some more research into this topic and believe
Speaker 4: it or not, the at least what he's trying to
Speaker 4: do is accurate. This was published September twenty second of
Speaker 4: this year. Jeffrey Epstein's killer cop former cellmate pushing for
Speaker 4: pardon backed by RFK Junior. Ally, so let's talk about
Speaker 4: it here.
Speaker 2: A dirty former Westchester cop turn murderers drug dealer who
Speaker 2: was once Jeffrey Epstein's cellmate is allegedly making a fresh
Speaker 2: bid for freedom with the support of an anti VAXX
Speaker 2: influencer tied to Health Secretary RFK Junior.
Speaker 4: We talked about Nicholas star tag Leone.
Speaker 2: Not gonna go into it why he's in jail, but
Speaker 2: he is working with influencer Jessica Reed Krause to try
Speaker 2: to overturn his conviction. Kraus, a former Mommy blogger and
Speaker 2: major supporter of President Trump, took a call from Tartaglione
Speaker 2: during her interview with the magazine The New Yorker, reassuring
Speaker 2: the quadruple murderer that she could help him receive a
Speaker 2: pardon from the President. Direct quote from Kraus. Trump is
Speaker 2: known as the pardon President. This is what she told
Speaker 2: tartag Leone, who has insisted since his twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Three conviction that he was framed and he is. He's
Speaker 4: dying on that hill for sure.
Speaker 2: Krause, who also styles herself as j r K or
Speaker 2: think her name is JE what I said earlier her
Speaker 2: name Jessica Reed Kraus JRK, said she was in contact
Speaker 2: with around four different inmates for stories. The influencer, who
Speaker 2: has more than one point three million followers on Instagram,
Speaker 2: came under fire recently as she appeared to mock victims
Speaker 2: of Epstein, the late Wall Street financier and former cellmate Tartaglione,
Speaker 2: just weeks before his death in twenty nineteen at New
Speaker 2: Yorkers or New York's Metropolitan Correction Center. On her Instagram story,
Speaker 2: Kraus posted a black screen with the words quote good god,
Speaker 2: cult members, I'm quoting here, I was raped twenty five
Speaker 2: times on the island. Maybe stop boarding the flight you
Speaker 2: take to the island. What she was mocking the victims
Speaker 2: who have come forward and are trying.
Speaker 4: To seek justice.
Speaker 2: She's like, ooh, I was three eight back then, then,
Speaker 2: why don't you just stop getting on the plane.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Yeah.
Speaker 3: What a trash piece of shit human being.
Speaker 4: Oh that's a mommy blogger.
Speaker 3: She can get fucked.
Speaker 4: She's not. That's probably why she's such a cunt.
Speaker 2: She probably Kraus, one of the pro MAGA influencers who
Speaker 2: was hardened or handed the first phase of the Epstein
Speaker 2: Files in a binder. Earlier this year, after Trump took office,
Speaker 2: doubled down on her criticisms of his victims in a
Speaker 2: subsequent post. Remember that time when all these quote unquote
Speaker 2: influencers were holding up these big thick binders saying Epstein
Speaker 2: Files Part one, and it was a big photo op.
Speaker 2: And then when you looked at the side view, these
Speaker 2: binders were completely empty.
Speaker 3: Yes, she was one of them, of course she was.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She called on her followers to examine the facts quote
Speaker 2: unquote before attacking the hashtag knee too movement for overlooking
Speaker 2: facts and common sense. This is a direct quote from her.
Speaker 2: Forgive me for refusing to embrace a narrative in which
Speaker 2: college aged women who boarded a private jet again and
Speaker 2: again for years to vacation and accept payments as escorts
Speaker 2: to a multi millionaire later collecting millions after therapy convicted
Speaker 2: sick them. They were victims of rape. Epstein was dead
Speaker 2: and the only person left to sue was just laying maxwell.
Speaker 4: So her english hitting the best either. But basically she's saying, yeah, sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm not exactly just gonna believe all these hot twenty
Speaker 4: something year olds after they made their money off the deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's absolutely ridiculous that she is a mother and
Speaker 3: a fellow woman and just straight up shitting all over
Speaker 3: these victims.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, Krawd spent the past five years chronicling the rise
Speaker 2: of RFK Junior, including his presidential run before he took
Speaker 2: his role in the Trump administration as Health Secretary. On
Speaker 2: her phone, she has a photo folder titled shirtless Kennedy's
Speaker 2: showing off toned torsos in various voting scenes around Cape
Speaker 2: cod So she's a bit of a fucking weirdo, just
Speaker 2: throwing that out.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, I was like, what is
Speaker 3: her deal?
Speaker 2: She praised Kennedy's work as Health Secretary, firing ten thousand
Speaker 2: HHS employees, canceling five hundred thousand in mRNA research that
Speaker 2: helped develop the COVID vaccine, which okay, good for that,
Speaker 2: and replacing health experts in the Centers for Disease Control
Speaker 2: and Prevention vaccine advisory panel with anti VAXX skeptics, which,
Speaker 2: for the record, I like that RFK did these things,
Speaker 2: but also it's just not a good look that this woman,
Speaker 2: who's also this much of a psychopath is on that team.
Speaker 4: This is a direct quota, says.
Speaker 2: I think overall, in five months, he Kennedy has done
Speaker 2: an incredible job. I think he's gotten more done than
Speaker 2: any health secretary in the past, she told The New Yorker.
Speaker 2: There's also pictures of these two together on boats and things.
Speaker 2: Krauson RFK Junior. When Kennedy endorsed Trump, Kraus posted a
Speaker 2: picture of the pair with the caption Trump Kennedy equals unity.
Speaker 2: You know, I fought hard for this. She fought hard
Speaker 2: for this.
Speaker 3: She did ye now.
Speaker 2: Tartaglione, who we already talked about the people he murdered
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen over a cocaine deal that went wrong,
Speaker 2: was described as a critical witness by his attorney during
Speaker 2: the investigation into Epstein's suicide, which took place while he
Speaker 2: was awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges. After kidnapping
Speaker 2: the four men from a club owned by his brother,
Speaker 2: Tartaglione strangled Luna with a zip tie while the others
Speaker 2: were forced to watch over accusations that he had stolen
Speaker 2: a quarter million dollars from him. Prosecutor said the three others.
Speaker 2: All four bodies were buried on Tartaglion's property, which was
Speaker 2: an animal rescue. One of his alleged accomplices shot himself
Speaker 2: in a car in twenty seventeen his FEDS were closing in,
Speaker 2: while another, Joseph Biggs, was sentenced to sixteen years in
Speaker 2: prison after pleading guilty to killing one of the victims.
Speaker 4: So it's not even like this is alleged.
Speaker 2: It's understood exactly what happened and who was guilty, and
Speaker 2: the murder of these four individuals and all that Biggs
Speaker 2: described the killings at Tartaglione's trial. Tartaglione has always maintained
Speaker 2: his innocence, bizarrely claiming at his trial that he ran
Speaker 2: an animal rescue farm and wasn't motivated by money the
Speaker 2: mob time, dirty cop, the entire time he wore a badge,
Speaker 2: he was motivated by money, but all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: now he's retired, he's no longer motivated by money.
Speaker 3: And wanted to start a cocaine business.
Speaker 4: But okay, yep, yeah, buddy.
Speaker 2: So shocker that Kraus did not respond for comment from
Speaker 2: The New York Post. You know, it's just one of
Speaker 2: those things, y'all. There's no connection here, there's nothing to say.
Speaker 2: What are we talking about here?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So anyway, I'm just gonna say it.
Speaker 2: This is this all this whole thing smells to high
Speaker 2: heavens good cult members.
Speaker 4: There's no two ways about it.
Speaker 3: It's everything to do with Epstein is smells the high
Speaker 3: heaven Everything, every single email, document, photo conversation, who's involved,
Speaker 3: who's been involved, every single aspect of the whole situation.
Speaker 3: Even before he was arrested in twenty nineteen, decades of
Speaker 3: information about him is just shrouded in conspiracies and lies
Speaker 3: in a web of tangles. It's just insane. Even just
Speaker 3: watching some videos, most of the content creators are like,
Speaker 3: we can't even cover all this because it's so vast
Speaker 3: and so intense. I will say, though, they're going after Hillary,
Speaker 3: and I'm very excited they're.
Speaker 2: Going after Killery as far as Epstein is concerned, I mean,
Speaker 2: or about the phony documents and all that shit they have.
Speaker 3: There was a big YouTube thing that I was watching
Speaker 3: about how they're going to try to go after Killary
Speaker 3: and her association with the Epstein files and everything. I
Speaker 3: need to watch more about it, but apparently her name
Speaker 3: is being brought up heavily. And I will say though,
Speaker 3: when we do talk about the photos on the walls,
Speaker 3: there is some interesting theories about what can what has
Speaker 3: been released before and then redacted and then re edited
Speaker 3: and released again, but we already have the original photo
Speaker 3: that was released. I don't know. The government be doing
Speaker 3: some wild shit thinking that people are just like extremely
Speaker 3: stupid and not going to pay attention.
Speaker 4: That's the thing they're right.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there is a lot of people, but
Speaker 3: now it seems like this is under extreme microscope and
Speaker 3: hopefully more there's a lot of more conversations happening about
Speaker 3: how he quote unquote you know, killed himself and we'll
Speaker 3: see and how maybe all of this ties back to
Speaker 3: the mob and to Trump and to the conversations about
Speaker 3: Epstein and that they've actually been there. Was just I
Speaker 3: just saw a picture of Trump's birthday card to Epstein
Speaker 3: and it has like an hourglass girl shape and I
Speaker 3: was reading through it. They apparently they've been friends for
Speaker 3: decades and it never was never did stop. He just
Speaker 3: was a lot more clever about not emailing back and forth.
Speaker 2: Now I will say this too, the connection may not
Speaker 2: be Trump inherently.
Speaker 4: Keep in mind Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: Yes, the sex trafficking, the girls, the island, all of this,
Speaker 2: I'm not downplaying that by any means. But again, he
Speaker 2: was the financial guy worldwide. If you were somebody who
Speaker 2: have millions, if not billions of dollars that you needed
Speaker 2: to go off records so that the IRS couldn't track you,
Speaker 2: you called Jeff Right. And that's an understood fact.
Speaker 3: Jeff.
Speaker 2: So keep in mind that the mafia has gone legit
Speaker 2: in the last few decades, but they still have their
Speaker 2: illegal enterprises that they do. And there's only so much
Speaker 2: washing you can do with money. It gets harder to
Speaker 2: wash the amount the more it goes up. If you're
Speaker 2: trying to wash a couple thousand, even a couple hundred thousand,
Speaker 2: there's ways, there's ways you could do that. You're trying
Speaker 2: to wash hundreds of millions of dollars, that's a lot
Speaker 2: more difficult and takes a lot more maneuvering, So you
Speaker 2: would call an expert. So I also find it extremely
Speaker 2: possible that this was a mafia hit for mafia reasons.
Speaker 4: Start to finish.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so hear me out.
Speaker 2: Let's hypothetical, this got paint you a picture here. Epstein
Speaker 2: would big in New York. He was big in Florida,
Speaker 2: he got his own island, but he got big in
Speaker 2: New York, meaning that he's got a lot of unscrupulous
Speaker 2: characters around him from any given point of time. What
Speaker 2: are the chances that at some point the five families
Speaker 2: came together with him and said, hey, we as the commission,
Speaker 2: which to my knowledge is still running. They say it
Speaker 2: was shut down. It just went under the radar. We
Speaker 2: have a lot of money and we can't really have
Speaker 2: a track to us. We know who you are, we
Speaker 2: know what you're about. We need help in this regard.
Speaker 2: Cool Jeff does his work. Things are Gucci great, cut
Speaker 2: to He just got arrested. He is only a few
Speaker 2: days away from trial, and they may not trust that
Speaker 2: he'll just keep.
Speaker 4: His mouth shut.
Speaker 3: I doesn't say he might become a songbird over here.
Speaker 4: They don't know if he will. They don't know if
Speaker 4: he won't.
Speaker 2: But there was a clip of an interview that was
Speaker 2: done with him in jail where he was naming certain things.
Speaker 2: He was kind of you know, it wasn't like he
Speaker 2: was reading off a list by any means, but he
Speaker 2: was a lot more willing to talk than what made
Speaker 2: the mafia feel comfortable. Okay, And so maybe rather than
Speaker 2: seeing if he would take a plead deal, they already
Speaker 2: knew that they had a guy, one of their guys
Speaker 2: at least, if nothing else. They want a made man
Speaker 2: by any means, but a guy that they have used
Speaker 2: for some muscle from time to time, a dirty cop
Speaker 2: that's been on the mafia payroll for the better part
Speaker 2: of two decades.
Speaker 4: And he happens to be in the same prison. And
Speaker 4: the guards are bought, the judges are bought. All of
Speaker 4: these things are bought. So what are the chances that
Speaker 4: the mafia slipped a little cash, little Christmas envelope into
Speaker 4: one of these guards pockets, made sure that Tartaglione was
Speaker 4: going to be Epstein's cellmate, and then they just removed
Speaker 4: the possibility and tied up a loose end.
Speaker 3: I like your theory. I think it holds a lot
Speaker 3: of merit.
Speaker 4: And it wouldn't matter because Tartaglione was serving force consecutive
Speaker 4: life sentences. So it wasn't hurting anybody. It wasn't like
Speaker 4: they were hanging their boy out to dry.
Speaker 3: But you know, if Epstein was willing to sing about
Speaker 3: the mob, he'd be willing to sing about everyone else.
Speaker 3: And it could be a I scratch her back, you
Speaker 3: scratch mind situation by getting rid of him. And so
Speaker 3: then we get to this point where okay, hey, the
Speaker 3: some shit's coming out. But I did you a favor
Speaker 3: and now I have all this information on you, so
Speaker 3: you better pardon me and get me out of this
Speaker 3: goddamn jail cell.
Speaker 4: Very well could be. And let's tie that back into
Speaker 4: the same way.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so glad you said it the way you did,
Speaker 2: ravenly goddamn it.
Speaker 4: Yes, So here's the deal. Keep in mind, JFK was
Speaker 4: also assassinated by the mafia. Reason being, and I know
Speaker 4: there's people that if you look at the list, there's
Speaker 4: ten possible groups that wanted JFK assassinated and they all
Speaker 4: have their merit. Just hear me out.
Speaker 2: Though the Kennedys got famous and rich and all these
Speaker 2: things because of Granddaddy Kennedy and his connections to the
Speaker 2: mafia through the bootlegging operations to the twenties and thirties. Okay,
Speaker 2: when the Great Depression took place, the Kennedys were living
Speaker 2: in abject royalty levels wealth. Right, JFK grew up living
Speaker 2: his best life during the Great Depression. They didn't even
Speaker 2: know the Great Depression was happening because his daddy pulled
Speaker 2: out of the stock market before it crashed. And how
Speaker 2: he got all the money to put into the stock
Speaker 2: market was from mafia ties and bootlegging.
Speaker 4: Cut two. The mafia got JFK elected by their own
Speaker 4: emission and by his own emission. And what does he
Speaker 4: do to thank them? He six his brother RFK Senior
Speaker 4: on them and starts arresting big mob bosses and starts
Speaker 4: just hounding them.
Speaker 3: So that makes a lot more sense, you know.
Speaker 4: So they already have some feelings towards the Kennedys, with
Speaker 4: long standing ties of money and blood. So the mafia
Speaker 4: kills JFK, then kills Robert Kennedy publicly, both of them,
Speaker 4: I might add.
Speaker 2: And I understand they're gonna say Lee Harvey Oswell wasn't
Speaker 2: mob connected. We're not talking about Lee Harvey Oswell. We're
Speaker 2: talking about the actual trigger puller. And if you're questioning
Speaker 2: if there's any conspiracy surrounding.
Speaker 4: That, I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the conspiracy conversation where JFK is one of
Speaker 2: the main talking points of all time.
Speaker 4: Ever. Cut two.
Speaker 2: Now these mafia guys who just silence Epstein are calling
Speaker 2: in a favor from the son who's currently the health
Speaker 2: secretary for our current president, saying, hey, you're in tight
Speaker 2: with Trump.
Speaker 4: We want our guy pardoned.
Speaker 3: I thought that was really weird that he would go
Speaker 3: through go through him, of all people, and not anybody else,
Speaker 3: just specifically him. I mean, he's what we're here talking
Speaker 3: about vaccines and you know, stuff you're putting in food
Speaker 3: and trying to get things changed. Why would he associate
Speaker 3: himself specifically with this criminal.
Speaker 4: It makes no sense out loud, right, But again does it.
Speaker 2: All of the things about RFK were through Kraus, So
Speaker 2: we have no first person account of RFK speaking on
Speaker 2: behalf of Tartaglione. This is all in the realm of speculation.
Speaker 2: This is some one quote unquote mommy influencer who has
Speaker 2: been a RFK dick rider for years, who is saying
Speaker 2: that she can get to RFK to get to Trump
Speaker 2: to get him released. As of this moment, as a
Speaker 2: time of recording, I have no indication that RFK even
Speaker 2: acknowledges this guy's existence, let alone his trying to scratch his.
Speaker 4: Back by any means. Okay, but we can't deny the
Speaker 4: possibility and the fact that this woman on records said
Speaker 4: that she could get him off.
Speaker 3: So I think it's going to be an interesting thing
Speaker 3: to watch unfold. I mean, it's going to be decades
Speaker 3: worth of Epstein conversations. It's never going to be fully
Speaker 3: out and the open they're gonna continuously hold. I mean,
Speaker 3: they have terrorbytes worth of information and they just released
Speaker 3: thirty thirty three thousand files. Yeah, so, and that's just
Speaker 3: it's just a little bit of crumbs here and there
Speaker 3: to keep you going to keep your hope and maybe
Speaker 3: they'll do the right thing. We'll arrest a couple people.
Speaker 3: You know, Prince whatever the hell is named Andrew.
Speaker 4: Who lost all of his titles now, yeah, all.
Speaker 3: His titles are completely gone. So you know there's justice
Speaker 3: to be served there. Cut one of the Larry Doo
Speaker 3: that was on the phone, he just yeah, he just
Speaker 3: got removed from his positions. So I guess that's justice,
Speaker 3: but it's it's interesting. But then it all kind of
Speaker 3: ties back to good old Clay and his incessant need
Speaker 3: for true justice, no matter the cost, no matter what
Speaker 3: he had to go through. He wanted the truth to
Speaker 3: be told, and he wanted justice to be served and
Speaker 3: to call out the corruption. So in honor of Clay,
Speaker 3: everyone will continue to keep pushing forward in trying to
Speaker 3: seek justice and understanding of what happened with this whole
Speaker 3: crazy mess of Epstein.
Speaker 2: Indeed, they will ravenly good cult members. This is where
Speaker 2: we leave you as far as this episode is concerned.
Speaker 2: Clay Tiffany, the man, the myth, the legend who started
Speaker 2: his public access show in the nineties just to talk
Speaker 2: shit and bring to light the politicians, the judges, some
Speaker 2: journalists and police officers that in his area of New
Speaker 2: York he thought were shitty. And it's not like this
Speaker 2: guy mate went viral. It's not like he was on
Speaker 2: national news. He was never syndicated or anything like that.
Speaker 2: He started his own channel just to do it right.
Speaker 2: Was he a dick maybe? Was he a little crazy, hey?
Speaker 4: Maybe? But he was also right more than he was wrong.
Speaker 4: Cut too.
Speaker 2: One of the guys who beat the shit out of him,
Speaker 2: did all these things, went out of his way to
Speaker 2: make his life hell to the tone of him getting
Speaker 2: the FBI to investigate this dude, and then won the
Speaker 2: settlement that cop was fired, rehired. He worked for three
Speaker 2: different departments. Later goes into a drug scandal where he
Speaker 2: murders four people, buries them on his land, gets brought
Speaker 2: to jail, and is probably the actual one that killed
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4: It's crazy. It's very crazy.
Speaker 2: When I first heard about Klay Tiffany, I thought this
Speaker 2: would be a fun one for us to look back in,
Speaker 2: you know, to look back at what a conspiracy head
Speaker 2: from the nineties was talking about on his public access show.
Speaker 4: I honestly didn't think there was gonna be much to it.
Speaker 2: Boy, oh boy, the more I peel back the layers
Speaker 2: of this onion, the more it just became super prevalent
Speaker 2: and very pertinent to the conversation that is happening right.
Speaker 4: Now in our world. So with more and more of
Speaker 4: these things happening with the Epstein list, I thought it
Speaker 4: was a really good one to talk about.
Speaker 3: I agree. I knew nothing about mister Clay, and I'm
Speaker 3: glad that I do now and it's showing more layers
Speaker 3: to a web that I didn't even know existed. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I didn't even know the backstory of any of this
Speaker 3: or how we got to the point where we are now.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad as we're leading into the Epstein update
Speaker 3: that this is our backstory and at least it shows
Speaker 3: a little bit more to the ever crazy mess that
Speaker 3: is the Epstein Files.
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