WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.519 It's Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:09.640 The final hour of night Side is here six minutes 3 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:13.119 into itself. I am Morgan White Junior. The announcer just 4 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:19.839 told you that my guest, we're having fun here. They've 5 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:24.960 let the inmates run the asylum. Is this Arkham? I 6 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:28.760 hear there are a lot of funny going on going 7 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:34.719 on at Arkham. And my guest is mister Ed Robertson. 8 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:37.679 I've had him on many a time. He is a 9 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:41.039 very prolific gentleman. Has written a great number of books 10 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:49.439 around television programs of the past five decades. And we 11 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:53.960 are talking about this book Manufaction, focusing on these four 12 00:00:54.000 --> 00:01:00.200 TV series The Magician, HARRYO, The Untouchables and Run for 13 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:04.760 Your Life, and within those shows because of well known 14 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:10.400 producers and actors who've been in multiple series, other shows 15 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:14.519 have been mentioned. So if there's something about one of 16 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:18.959 the easily dozen of more shows you've heard us talk about, 17 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:24.560 call in like this. Next lady has Allison welcome aboard, 18 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:26.040 hope you Thanksgiving with well? 19 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:28.840 Oh, then I dropped the phone. Hello, I know I 20 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:30.760 just called it, but nobodys calling you, and you know 21 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:34.000 I love this sort of thing. I have your I 22 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:37.359 have your Terry Mason books, and that's really it's really amazing. 23 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:38.400 Oh thank you. 24 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:40.560 Yeah. I wish I we somebody to do a book 25 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:42.599 about the Untouchables. I wanted to talk a bit about that. 26 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:43.920 But I know this. 27 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.120 Book, this book covers the Untouchables. 28 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:49.760 Okay, is it like a comprehensive thing or just overviewer, 29 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:53.439 because I wish I had an episode guys. 30 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:56.560 But I mean I found an episode guy in here 31 00:01:56.680 --> 00:02:01.040 for the original series and this series that came back 32 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:02.359 just for two years. 33 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:05.280 I didn't even know there was a nineties one. Yeah, no, 34 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:08.639 I mean I just actually, about three months ago I 35 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:11.639 watched I watched the entire series of Untouchables. Again. This 36 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:13.319 is what I do. I live in the past and 37 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:14.000 then I'm only. 38 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:16.039 You will you will love this book, Alison. 39 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:18.800 Okay, I'm living in the past because I'm living in 40 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:20.840 I'm watching a show from the nineteen fifty is about 41 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:23.120 the nineteen thirty so that's like a double whammy or something. 42 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:26.080 But no, but I mean some of the villains and 43 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:27.960 things are on now. Of course mister Gordon was always 44 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:31.479 good with Gordon, Yes, but they're just I just watched some, 45 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:33.080 you know, some of them with kacky. Just show out 46 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:36.080 a few and you'll probably know, right, because usually I 47 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:38.120 geek out about this thing and Morgan catches a lot 48 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:39.879 of it. But it's hardly a bit I can talk 49 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:43.199 to you about these things. There are some amazing episodes. 50 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:48.439 This is Bizarrow rather Allison, let me tell it something, Okay. 51 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:52.280 Allison tries to get as many words in as she can. 52 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:54.280 She does a very good job of it. 53 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:55.719 And I just want you to know you have to 54 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:57.319 learn to speak. Alison. 55 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:03.639 You were forty five RPMs and everybody else is thirty three, 56 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:05.280 and I think quite if you were sixteen, but let's 57 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:05.879 not go into that. 58 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:07.400 I would say you're going at seventy eight. 59 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:11.159 But okay, it's just the way I am, especially when 60 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:13.080 I get into things i'm really interested in. It's just 61 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:14.879 well anyway. 62 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:15.400 Blah blah blah. 63 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:17.039 So I was thinking that, you know, like some stories 64 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:20.080 episodes like the Lily Dallas story, I can't remember who 65 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.639 the actress was now, but whoever was was so fierce 66 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.439 in that. Do you remember who the actress was in 67 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:26.479 the Lily Dallas story? 68 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:30.159 For some reason, I want to say Barbara Stanwick, but 69 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:31.159 I'm no, it wasn't. 70 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:34.280 No, No, no, no, I was trying to look it 71 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:36.800 up on the DVD, but I didn't have time. But anyway, 72 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:38.560 it was she was in the last season where it 73 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:40.599 got kind of whimpy. And it's so weird how they were, 74 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:43.039 you know, how they were criticizing how violent it was, 75 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:45.199 even though you almost never saw blood, you know, and it. 76 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.599 Was all blacks, I know. And in fact, Walter Grahman, 77 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:51.080 who was one of the great directors of the Golden Age, 78 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:58.759 he he's by the way. June Benson, Norma Crane were 79 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:01.680 the guest stars in the Little in the Lily Dallas story, 80 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.159 as well as Barbara Parkins and Debt and the Great 81 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:09.280 Dad's Greer and Larry Parks and Larry Parks who played 82 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:10.879 al Jos and Joel You were. 83 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:13.520 Kind of heartbreaking because he loved the Lily Dallas the character, 84 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:15.360 and then he was really really cool. 85 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:18.360 But one of the great things about the Untouchables is 86 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:22.519 because they had to they had to do things within 87 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:27.240 standards of nineteen sixty nineteen sixty one. They they would 88 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:33.720 some of the gruesome violence that the that Bruce Gordon 89 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:37.240 would do, they would do off camera and and and 90 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:40.879 so you would play off the reaction of the actors 91 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:45.639 witnessing the gruesome murder, and so as the viewer that 92 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:48.800 left that left it to the viewer's imaginations to what 93 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:52.399 they saw. It was far more effective than seeing all 94 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:53.319 the blood and gore. 95 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:57.120 Oh sometimes they would get counted the Tommy gun, so 96 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.319 they really would, even though you were absolutely absolutely, like 97 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:02.360 Philip pie in one of the early episodes, got really 98 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:04.000 cut down that way. But I just I want to 99 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:05.639 ask you of it. A couple more weird episodes of it. 100 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:09.120 They were crazy. There's one called Strangleholds with Ricardo Montleban 101 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:12.759 and two ubiquitous character acts from the time, Philip Pine 102 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.319 and Kevin Hagen and the two skip man or they 103 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.480 were calling forces. The two enforces in that are obviously 104 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:22.600 in love. Do you know that episode? It's so bizarre. No, 105 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:24.920 they're they're completely it's in clearly a gay episode of 106 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:27.240 The Untouchables in about nineteen. 107 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.040 Sixty, very near episode time. 108 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:33.040 Very amazing episode. I mean, nothing's ever said latently, but 109 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:36.920 it's amazing. And my favorite episode actually is because I 110 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:39.480 always liked flooky stuff. So I'm going back a bit 111 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:43.279 farther and my favorite episode was the The Underground Court 112 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:46.720 with Joan Bondell, which was in Richard Devon. It was 113 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:50.160 essentially oursonnicon o'lace meets meets the Untouchables. 114 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:51.000 It was so sy. 115 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:52.480 I just love that episode. 116 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:55.639 Well. And as we said before being Touchables, there was 117 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.800 another example of an anthology show with one or two 118 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:04.160 regular characters. Robert Stack was Robert Stack and whoever was 119 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:09.160 the whoever played the because they changed the actors who 120 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:11.720 played the supporting on touching most from year to year. 121 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.680 But Robert Stack, as this was the constant. But you 122 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:18.800 would have all these great guest stars like Rip Torn 123 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:23.439 and Neamyah purs Off and he was everywhere Montgomery and 124 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:25.600 and and and and all of that, and Robert Stack 125 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:27.720 was the constant. So there was It was a great 126 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:31.600 anthology show you would love. We go into it and 127 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:34.360 Men of Action, which you will like. Al I believe, 128 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:34.639 so I. 129 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:36.680 Said to another episode, Now, what's that one called on? 130 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:40.920 It was? But Elizabeth Montgomery is involved with David White 131 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:41.279 in that. 132 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:47.160 Yes, I mean right, yes, I'm I'm I'm I'm going 133 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:51.040 off memory. But she got she got an Emmy nomination 134 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.680 for it. Okay, she got an Emmy nomination for it. 135 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:56.800 And I will probably remember it when we go to 136 00:06:56.839 --> 00:06:58.920 break in two seconds, but I'm sorry. 137 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:01.519 And then the two part early on about the you know, 138 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.319 Zangara attempting to kill Roosevelt. 139 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:05.800 The Rusty Heller story, the. 140 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:08.319 Rusty Heller story, great episode, and that the one they 141 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.920 called The Unheared Assassin, the two parter where it's Sangara. 142 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:16.480 Because because who ever wound up Alison for tonight the 143 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:20.079 moon spring is still unfurrowed. 144 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.240 Okay, but no, but come on, the Unheared assass And 145 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:26.680 it was a great two parter because it really in 146 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:28.759 the early days they wove in more of the real history, 147 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:30.079 and later on they had it, you know, they came 148 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:31.879 up with original stories because they'd run out of a 149 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:34.680 lot of it. But Joe Mantell and that is Don Gara, 150 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:38.199 I thought was amazing and uh, another ubiquitous character actor, 151 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:40.079 you know, two parter because he was gonna tried to 152 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:43.480 kill Roosevelt and he ended up killing Anton Stermax, the 153 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:46.399 mayor of Chicago instead. Right, so I just still don't 154 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:49.000 know them anyway. But hey, no, but I could do 155 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.279 this you're talking about You talked to him your guests 156 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:52.759 all the time, and boy, I could do this all 157 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:55.279 the time too. You know some weird calling line where 158 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:56.959 you call in and just talk about all TV shows 159 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:57.360 all the time. 160 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:00.879 I guess you as a friend of mine and said, Allison, 161 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.680 you have good knowledge. You have you have very good 162 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:06.199 knowledge about the Untouchables. You will love manufaction. 163 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:08.720 Okay, thanks so much, thank you. Good to talk to you. 164 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:10.399 I do you like to get a more word in 165 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:11.199 the wife Morgan. 166 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:15.360 I'm just gonna say it's time for a break. 167 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:22.360 Allison, call be seeing you, okay, And that's from the prisoner. 168 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:24.759 Be Seen Patrick. We're going see. 169 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.480 We could do this forever. You're lucky. I don't live 170 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:30.279 out there. I'd be knocking on your front door all 171 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:35.440 the time. Six four ten thirty or eight eight eight 172 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:37.879 nine two nine ten thirty. You can do what Glenn did, 173 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:40.919 what Allison has done, and many others all night long. 174 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:45.759 Give us a call. We have touched upon so many performers, 175 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:50.600 actors whose names you know may not remember, and at 176 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.039 least a dozen different classic TV series. The main four 177 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:57.320 of The Magician, HARRYO, The Untouchables, and Run for Your 178 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:01.679 Life are in this book Minivac, written by Ed Robertson. 179 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:05.279 And go buy the book, buy it for a friend 180 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.759 or a relative that way, give it to him for 181 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.720 a gift and borrow it back after Christmas is over. Absolutely, 182 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:15.559 time and temperature eleven fifteen forty two degrees. 183 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:20.279 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 184 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:23.519 night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 185 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:26.679 It's Morgan. I'm here tomorrow night as well. I will 186 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:30.919 have Bob and Donna Jenks will be speaking with them 187 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:35.919 about catering and maybe after today. With all the relative 188 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:40.759 relatives coming to your house and dishes and footmarks on 189 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:44.559 the rug, you might want to have someone someone do 190 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:46.960 it for you so you don't have to lift the finger. 191 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:53.159 Bill and Bo Winnaker they will be here, and Bill 192 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:57.840 called in earlier tonight, and my buddy Cleo Campbell will 193 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:03.559 be here right now. I've got Ed Robertson and we've 194 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:08.480 got Brian and Dennis as our next caller. Brian, Happy Thanksgiving, 195 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:09.399 Welcome aboard. 196 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:11.559 Hey, how you guys doing. 197 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:12.879 We're just crazy? 198 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:15.799 Hey, I got a tri your questions for you? I 199 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:21.039 guess there does he know the great act of Brian McKenzie. 200 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.200 Name rings Bell, Well that's my name. 201 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:27.320 I'm just joking with. 202 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:27.759 You, guys. 203 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:28.559 Oh there you go. 204 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.519 Okay, I'm having a great time, Morgan, You've got a 205 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:34.480 great guest, and I'm going to continue listening. I just 206 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:36.679 thought I hit around and pull that out there. 207 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:40.679 Well, thank you for that. Okay, by wait wait Brian, 208 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:43.600 before you go, Glen, do you remember any of these 209 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:48.519 four TV series Harry O, the Magician, Run for Your Life, 210 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:53.320 or The Untouchables, The Untouchables? What about the Untouchables comes 211 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:53.879 to mind? 212 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:00.879 Well, I'm sixty seven on my mind not as good 213 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.639 as it used to be, but I just remember the 214 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.159 name of the program, you know, and me and my 215 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:10.000 family probably watched it a many times. But now you 216 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:10.399 got me. 217 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.799 Do you know who the executive producer of that show was? 218 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:17.399 Don't tell me, Brian McKenzie, no. 219 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:21.000 No, no, but I am going to tell you a 220 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:22.879 name you should know, Dissey earn Is. 221 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.759 Oh wow, I love Lucy Sho. 222 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.559 So tell you what. You keep listening because I'm going 223 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:34.600 to have Ed go into a story that a lot 224 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:39.960 of people know of but necessarily don't know the correct story. 225 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:41.080 So thank you for your call. 226 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:46.960 And Morgan, yes, real quick, if I may say, you 227 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:50.960 know how you know sometimes I'll go to a bar 228 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:55.600 and the kids would be talking about college, you know. Okay, 229 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:58.000 so I said to them. There were three of them, 230 00:11:58.000 --> 00:11:59.840 two guys and a girl. I said, I went to 231 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:05.240 abbed And five minutes later the girl weaned over and said, too, 232 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.399 what you made you in? And I said, well, I 233 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:10.720 didn't makee I did go to hobbit. I walked in 234 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:11.919 the front, towing off the back. 235 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:17.759 Oh yeah, let's all play rim shop, all right. 236 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.000 Try to be all tip you wators on the way out. 237 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.399 How about that? Could you get into the story about 238 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:33.679 how the real life dieern Is Junior and the real 239 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:38.000 life son of al Capone Or at the same bastion 240 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:43.279 of learning and one was talking to the other. They 241 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:50.039 knew each other, and al Capone Junior made a request 242 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:53.960 of his friend don Is Jor. 243 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:56.960 Yes, he told Desi not to not to do the 244 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:01.960 show because she He said, if you do the show, 245 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:08.000 it will come back to bite you, and uh, some 246 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:11.440 unsavory people may do you harm and I won't be 247 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:16.399 able to do anything to help you. And DESI thought 248 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:21.759 about it, but he figured. But but he you know, 249 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:26.559 he he had he had a very viable property. And 250 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.600 this was around the time that Elliott Nessa's book with 251 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:36.200 Oscar Frehley had hit the market and did very very well, 252 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:42.000 was the best seller, and that led to CBS developing 253 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:48.120 it for the Desilu Playhouse. And Desi figured, Desi was 254 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.679 a very very shrewd man, as you will know, Morgan, 255 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:56.759 and Desi figured, if I don't do this, somebody else will. 256 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:02.639 And uh, it's thought that he didn't take the threat seriously, 257 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:09.519 but he said, let's let's let's worry about what's in 258 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:12.559 front of me and make the best show that I can. 259 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:19.480 And he did. And Desi lived a good twenty years 260 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:24.279 after after the a good twenty five years after he 261 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:25.200 did The Untouchable. 262 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:30.600 So some people may remember Desi looking old and frail 263 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:34.240 when he was doing the publicity tour for my book, 264 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:37.360 had Piography. 265 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:40.679 A book, a book, a book, which I think is 266 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:44.360 one of the coolest titles ever. It's just a book, 267 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.720 a book, a book, but it is. 268 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:49.279 But he looks so. 269 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:53.960 Frail, yeah, yeah, well, you know, he he he was 270 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.759 one of those you know, two or three pack that 271 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:00.720 pack of day smokers, right, and that makes its toll, 272 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:09.200 you know. And but he he we may have mentioned 273 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:12.879 this before on the air, but he was the one. 274 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:18.000 He was the one who he did not originate the 275 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.360 idea of filming three cameras, but he made it into 276 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.440 an art form and he made and basically by filming 277 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:32.200 I Love Lucy with three cameras on film. He he 278 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:36.200 had the foresight to know that if you if you 279 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:40.360 do it on film versus videotaper kinescope, doing it on film, 280 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:44.559 you have a permanent record. And it made possible for 281 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:48.000 rebroadcasts at the time when nobody thought nobody even thought 282 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:54.279 of rebroadcasting anything, because television was considered disposable, right, But 283 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:59.480 but he not only made the idea of the repeat, 284 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:04.080 the summer repeat and the syndicated you know, a repeat 285 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.799 UH possible, But because he owned the films along with 286 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.840 CPS Lucy you know, set themselves up pretty good. 287 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:22.600 And you don't think of this as in the irony. 288 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:28.639 But one of the last Desilu filmed shows, of which 289 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.519 there were so many was Star. 290 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:39.120 Trek, was Star Trek and Mannix and A Mission Impossible, 291 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:42.519 all of which premiered within a year of each other. 292 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:50.320 And uh and at the time uh Desi had stepped down, 293 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:53.919 but Lucy was running the studio in addition to starring 294 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:58.759 on The Lucy Show at the time, and I think 295 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.519 she was also doing her radio show for CBS Radio 296 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:08.480 at the time. So and uh, I believe she was 297 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.039 talking about Star Uh this is this pertains the Star 298 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:19.279 Trek in particular, but uh, it was she was the 299 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:24.400 one who basically gave the green light to Star Trek okay, 300 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:30.079 and and she saw something in that show that nobody 301 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:34.200 else did. And without her stamp of approval, there would 302 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.920 be no Captain Kirk, there would be no Mistress Bock, 303 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:42.079 there would be no franchise, there would be no Star 304 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:45.160 Trek franchise in all the various you know, Star Trek 305 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.960 movies and Star Trek spin offs and you know, sixty 306 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.400 years of Star Trek merchandise that all began with Lucille 307 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.759 Ball and Desilu Productions before they sold it to Mara Mountain. 308 00:17:55.839 --> 00:18:00.000 The funny thing about Gene Roddenberry, he was trying to 309 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:04.960 who get the concept that a Western TV series that 310 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:08.000 was the number one show in those years late fifties 311 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:10.880 was doing and doing quite well. 312 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:18.440 Yeah, yeah, he pitched it up wagon Trained to the Stars. 313 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.960 That's right, that's right. And uh and so but so 314 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:30.119 so it like Lucy, you know, Lucy was not as Lucy, 315 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:34.079 by her own admission, was not as visionary as DESI was. 316 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:37.640 But if you if you sat down and you explain 317 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:40.519 how something would I mean like for example, I mean, 318 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:46.880 uh what, she was smart enough to surround herself with 319 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:51.440 you great writers like Madeline Pugh and Bob Carroll who 320 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.960 you know, they say, Okay, Lucy's going to Lucy's gonna 321 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.480 stomp greats with with with the woman in this, ain't that? 322 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.880 And Lucy would say, why is that funny? And then 323 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:06.880 Carol and Davis would sit would would explain it to 324 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:09.839 her so to speak, and they would they would fill 325 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:11.880 in all that, They would give her a picture of 326 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.279 what they wanted her to do and want and then 327 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:19.359 lose and then got it. And then she you know, 328 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:21.960 from there she took all her skills as a comedian 329 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:25.240 and made it the magic you know, film moment that 330 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:28.480 we all know. So she was visionary in that in 331 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:33.880 that respect. But with regard to Star Trek and Mission 332 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:39.400 Impossible and Mannix, you know, she saw the potential on 333 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:42.119 all three of those shows and they went on to 334 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:46.160 be three of the biggest Well, Mission Impossible and Mandis 335 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:48.279 were two of the biggest hits in the nineteen sixties. 336 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:51.000 Star Trek, you know, was not a gratings hit at 337 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:55.680 the time, but it blew up in in syndication. 338 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:03.640 More money than every other Desilu production port side by 339 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:08.039 side by, side by side times Tan, absolutely times Tan. 340 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:14.400 And like you mentioned the spin offs, I mean Voyager, 341 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:19.319 the separate shows of the new one below Decks. I 342 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:20.680 mean I could go on. 343 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:24.640 Deep Space nine with Avery Brooks also known as Hawk 344 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:28.880 from Spencer of Higher Spencer for Hire, and you almost were. 345 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:33.039 Hawked, you know, I told you that story you did. 346 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.359 Oh my goodness, all right, let me let me look 347 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:40.319 at the clock. I can tell this in thirty five 348 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:45.559 minutes seconds. I mean I worked for an agency that 349 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:52.240 was situated in the Saltensas building right next to the 350 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.079 Massachusetts Film Borough Bureau, and I knew several people. I 351 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:01.000 had left the agency for another job for the city 352 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:04.039 as a matter of fact, and they were looking for 353 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:09.559 a black actor who had a decent voice and was 354 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:16.519 rather large personally. I think I'm diminutive, but I They 355 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:19.400 tried to get me over the weekend. By the time 356 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:23.559 the producers get in touch with me, they had already 357 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:28.279 found Avery brook Brooks. They had hired an actor, but 358 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:31.680 another role came up and he took that other role, 359 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:35.480 and they were going to begin shooting later on that week, 360 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:38.920 so it's kind of imperative to get somebody quick. Had 361 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:43.000 I gotten the message on that Friday, since there was 362 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.400 time ticking away, I think I would have gotten. 363 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:50.240 The role, and you you would have been the one 364 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:51.680 who said Spencer. 365 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:56.240 No, No, no, Spence. See the difference. 366 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:57.200 See the difference. 367 00:21:57.680 --> 00:21:59.920 Let me take my break the time. If you're one, 368 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:02.880 look all in six, one, seven, two, five, four, ten 369 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:05.920 thirty or eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine, ten thirty 370 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:08.799 to call. We have about thirty minutes a show to 371 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:14.599 go here on night Side, eleven thirty at night. Temperature 372 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:16.839 is still forty two degrees. 373 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:24.319 Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 374 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:26.640 I'm gonna tell you right now. Yeah, yeah, Morgan right 375 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:30.599 Junior filling in for Dan Ray Nightside. Yes, I'm going 376 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:35.799 to have Ed Robertson back with me in January. You know, 377 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:39.880 I usually skip a month when I have a guest, 378 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:45.039 and we'll promote men of Action again, just so I 379 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.440 can talk to Ed and have fun. That's all I 380 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:51.640 care about is having fun on radio, and he is 381 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:55.519 a fun guest. See what you've done to me? Ed. 382 00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:58.400 I appreciate that very much, Morgan. 383 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:03.440 And we've spoken about all the shows. I don't think 384 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:06.839 we've spoken enough about the magician. So I'm going to 385 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:09.759 kind of point a finger at the magician. 386 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:15.000 All magic you're about to see is perform without trick photography. 387 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:21.240 And that that was important because he Bill Bixby learned 388 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:28.359 from the great Mark Wilson how to seemingly make cards appear. 389 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:33.039 You hold your hands straight out and you kind of 390 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:38.039 curl your fingers and puff an ason and king appear. 391 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:43.559 How did that happen? Ooh, it is magic. No, it's 392 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:50.119 pressed the digitation, doing something manipulation with your hands that 393 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:53.720 if you could see behind the magician's hand, you would 394 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:57.720 know what two cards were coming up. But you told 395 00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:59.839 me a story, and I'm just gonna set you up 396 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.759 so you can take a golf club and hit the 397 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:08.680 ball three hundred yards. That had the Magician stayed on 398 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:13.319 it did one season. Had it stayed through a second season, 399 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:17.960 what was in store for Bill Bixby with the magician? 400 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:25.160 Mark Wilson, who was the he was the technical consultant 401 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:27.720