1 00:00:28,359 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:39,240 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,880 going to bring you this week's episode of The Big Story. 4 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,960 But first I want to encourage you, if you're enjoying 5 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,759 the podcast, to follow us using your favorite podcast software. 6 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:54,479 And if you're enjoying the podcast on YouTube, be sure 7 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,759 to like the video, subscribe to the channel, and mark 8 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,840 the notification bell, all those great things that help YouTube 9 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,400 channels to grow. The Christmas season is upon us, and 10 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,840 so are our seasonal podcast episodes. 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And finally, on the Great 30 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:36,400 Adventurers of Old Time Radio, we will be going into 31 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,840 a season of featuring encores that are adventure related from 32 00:02:41,039 --> 00:02:46,360 other podcasts starting this Saturday, and the first two episodes, 33 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:51,560 airing on Saturday the nineteenth and December the twenty third, 34 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,919 will be holiday themed. So again we've got a lot 35 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,879 of great holiday listening for you. I hope that you 36 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:04,439 will be enjoying that. Now. From September seventeenth, nineteen forty seven, 37 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:07,719 so again we're going back a few months. Here is 38 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:09,960 the case of the Cornered cat. 39 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:16,719 Speaker 2: Hell mel Famous Cigarette Present the big story. 40 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: All right, Reporter Tane left here, but I take your 41 00:03:20,759 --> 00:03:21,960 strap shut and Taine left. 42 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:27,879 Speaker 4: I said, all right, stop the cord air under that tree. 43 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 3: You know where it's nights and dark. 44 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 4: Look know as I say, now enough you igniffen your 45 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,680 headline to what are you? 46 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 5: I'm gonna do now, let's make sure you down double 47 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:44,800 classes Wawler Wintle. 48 00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: The Big Story another in a thrilling series based on 49 00:03:55,479 --> 00:03:59,560 two experiences of newspaper reporters. Goodnight to Walter Winchell of 50 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:02,479 the New York Daily Mirror goes the pell Mell Award 51 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:21,720 for the Big Story. Four notes that are alike and 52 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:26,040 one that is outstanding, and of America is leading cigarettes. 53 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:30,560 One is outstanding the cigarette and the distinctive red package 54 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,319 hell Mell. 55 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 6: Ladies and gentlemen, have you noticed how many of your 56 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,600 friends have changed to pell Mell. There's a reason hell 57 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,959 Mell famous cigarettes. Good to look at, good to feel, 58 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,600 good to take, and good to smoke, Yes, good, good, good, 59 00:04:45,759 --> 00:04:46,519 and good. 60 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,519 Speaker 2: When you change the pell Mell, you get smoking. The 61 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,240 bandages that are outstanding for pell Mell's greater length filters 62 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,279 the smoke through a much greater distance of pell Mell's 63 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:03,560 traditionally fine mellow to baccla. The result is a smoother, mellower, 64 00:05:04,079 --> 00:05:05,480 more satisfying smoke. 65 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 6: Four notes that are alike and one that is outstanding, 66 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,439 and of America's leading cigarette. One is outstanding, tell mel 67 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:39,920 famous cigarette, outstanding, and they are mild. Now the exciting 68 00:05:39,959 --> 00:05:43,879 and authentic stories of the case of the Cornered Cat. 69 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 7: You are Walter win Shown. 70 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:52,639 Speaker 4: Your beat is Broadways. 71 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:56,439 Speaker 7: You know it's Flora and fauna, the big shots and bombs, 72 00:05:56,639 --> 00:06:00,759 champs and chumps, con men and chiselers, cops and chorus girl, 73 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:04,600 the characters who work and play in the neon nights. 74 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,319 You've had your share of big stories. But there's one 75 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,199 big story you'd give your right arm to get. So 76 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,120 what every other newspaper man in the land. Go with 77 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:18,399 the New York Police, go with the FBI. And one 78 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:21,639 night back in the summer of thirty nine, you're setting 79 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,399 up your regular Sunday evening broadcast when your girl Friday asked, anything. 80 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,759 Speaker 4: In that tip we got from Ontario, mister Winton. Now 81 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,439 it's a phony like the others. 82 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,959 Speaker 5: Seems that everybody thinks he's seen that guy like, well, 83 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:36,399 it's the biggest man hunts since the Lynnberg case, what 84 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,800 they really see is that fifty thousand dollar reward. 85 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:41,959 Speaker 4: They can have it. Mister Winton, personally, I wouldn't want 86 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:44,279 to come within ten miles of that racket here, and 87 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:47,519 if you ever do, he'll be dead, very dead. 88 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,759 Speaker 8: Take this item mind the underworld character and on to 89 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,720 his associate, says the cat, and to the decent citizens 90 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:57,120 of the United States, is public Enemy number one is 91 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,639 still in hiding. For two years, this king of the 92 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,120 racketeers has managed to elude both the New York Police 93 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,839 and the FBI. You'll remember that, one after another. By 94 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:09,240 a reign of terror, extortion, violence, and murder, the cat 95 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,040 took over the leather for garment and trucking rackets and 96 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,560 later muscled in on the narcotic track at a federal offense. 97 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 4: Got that much now, And aside, from. 98 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:20,959 Speaker 8: This reporter to the cat, here's a little tip for 99 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,399 your cat. The cops have orders to bring you in 100 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,560 deader alive. Got that dead or alive, So take a 101 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:28,040 tip from me. 102 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 4: Cat. 103 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 8: Come in and give up quietly if you can't, because 104 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,519 if you don't use your head first, you'll come in 105 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:35,319 feet first. 106 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:44,519 Speaker 7: A few nights later, in the early hours of the 107 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:47,680 am You're sitting alone at a corner table in one 108 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,439 of your favorite spots, and then you see a character 109 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,600 come in, look around, and finally head for your table. 110 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,240 You don't know him, but you do know his breed, 111 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:02,120 and you tab him as a high class fun. 112 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:09,439 Speaker 4: I like to talk to you, Winchell. I didn't get 113 00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:11,199 the name. I didn't give it to you. 114 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 5: I see the mind if I sit down yet, thanks, 115 00:08:17,079 --> 00:08:18,120 I'll sit down anyway. 116 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 4: A little crowded here? What's on your mind? 117 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,439 Speaker 5: I've been reading your column in the mirror, well so 118 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:29,399 as a friend of mine. 119 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 4: He finds it very interesting. Thanks? So what so? 120 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 9: Uh? 121 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 5: This Sitan friend of mine? Winchu, would like to meet 122 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:38,559 a Sitan friend of yours? 123 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:40,399 Speaker 4: Which one? I've got a lot of friends. 124 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 5: The one I'm talking about wakes for the government. You 125 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,519 wouldn't mean Jay Edgar Hoover. 126 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 4: I might go on. Do I interest you? You interest me? 127 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,879 I thought I would. Okay, where do we go from here? Winchell? 128 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,519 Speaker 5: My friend is very anxious to meet your friends. You 129 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,080 see a lot of people around town don't like my friend. 130 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:06,600 They might hate him if they ever met him. That's 131 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,919 why he's laying low. So I gathered, but he's had enough, Whinchell, 132 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:13,039 He's ready to come out now. Only he wouldn't want 133 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:15,639 to get hyped. You see, the cups are after him 134 00:09:15,639 --> 00:09:18,120 on a miterter rap. They got their guns ready now. 135 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:21,600 The FBI only wants them for a narcotics job. That's 136 00:09:21,639 --> 00:09:24,240 why he wants to give up to the FBI and not. 137 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 4: To the cups. You follow me, Hi follow you? 138 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,919 Speaker 5: Okay, Now here's the proposition. If you could get your 139 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,240 friend to guarantee that he wouldn't hate my friends, well 140 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,399 we might arrange. 141 00:09:36,039 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 7: A formal introduction to you. 142 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,639 Speaker 4: In other words, you want me to actors go between. 143 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:45,559 Is that it that we produce the merchandise, you deliver it? 144 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:47,360 And what do I do next? 145 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,799 Speaker 5: Well, if you get that guarantee from j Ed the Hooper, 146 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,879 put it on the air on your radio program tomorrow night. 147 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,519 We'll be listening and we'll get in touch with you later. 148 00:09:57,399 --> 00:10:02,320 And one more thing, Winchell, Yes, I wouldn't try to 149 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,559 double cross my friend to fight with you. 150 00:10:04,919 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 8: Don't worry. I haven't any more use for your friend 151 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:10,240 than I have for a snake. But I want the story. 152 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,360 I'll put in a call for Ja and Gohover in 153 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:17,600 the morning. 154 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:22,879 Speaker 4: Well, that's how it checks up. John. So the cat 155 00:10:23,039 --> 00:10:25,519 wants to com That's right, John. 156 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 8: He's beginning to get him, but he wants to come 157 00:10:27,879 --> 00:10:30,480 in alive, and he wants me to broadcast your guarantee 158 00:10:30,519 --> 00:10:32,600 that he will you to deliver him to me. 159 00:10:32,879 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 4: That's the deal. Order, It's only fair to warn you 160 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:36,639 about what. 161 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 10: Cat is a dangerous hard to pick it. Sure you 162 00:10:40,519 --> 00:10:41,399 want to like to deliver it? 163 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 4: Sure? Sure, it's my story and I'll stick to it. Now, 164 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:47,200 how about that guarantee? John? 165 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:50,159 Speaker 10: All right, tell the cat on the air tonight that 166 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,240 if he comes in unarmed and quietly, if I will 167 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:54,559 guarantee you the saint reception. 168 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 4: Thanks John, Turn on your radio in Washington and listen 169 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,000 in tonight. 170 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 10: I won't need any radio owner. 171 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 4: What do you mean. 172 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 10: I'll be in the studio with you in New York 173 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:22,639 when you go on the air tonight, play do the cat? 174 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:23,799 Speaker 4: Who's the cat? 175 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 11: Wherever you are, this reporter has a personal message. The 176 00:11:27,639 --> 00:11:30,720 FBI will guarantee your Saint tillibree if you come in. 177 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,039 I'm stand peacefully. I repeat this reporter's word. 178 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 4: The FBI will. 179 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 11: Guarantee your Saint Tilly Bri if you come in on 180 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:42,799 and peacefully and of America is probably gonna be number one. 181 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,840 A word of advice from your New York reporter. Better 182 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:49,440 take this off while it's home, da maybe too great? 183 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:56,919 Speaker 3: All right to turn it off? Okay, cat. 184 00:12:00,159 --> 00:12:03,919 Speaker 4: Figure out? Oh sure, hey god boss? Right? 185 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you think Joe? 186 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:14,519 Speaker 4: I trust him? 187 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 12: The cat doesn't. Oh, but that doesn't trust anybody. I 188 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:25,960 never did, pays Off all always had. What makes you 189 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:29,600 think he's on the level, Joe, Well, there's a reputation 190 00:12:29,759 --> 00:12:30,399 around town. 191 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:33,399 Speaker 5: You know Winchell as well as I do. Anyways, a 192 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,919 newspaper and then you know those guys. Anything for a story, 193 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,960 figure the yard boss. Every cup in town has got 194 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:39,879 his gunloaded for you. 195 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:40,399 Speaker 4: What a minute. 196 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 12: These spots don't have to tell me I'm hot, John, Oh, 197 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,759 I didn't mean anything by a boss. 198 00:12:44,759 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 5: You hate Wenchell just now, and and Hoover's in town 199 00:12:47,399 --> 00:12:49,559 waiting for you to come in on that narcotics rapping. 200 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,759 Speaker 4: Well, anyway you look at it, you're taking a chance. 201 00:12:53,759 --> 00:12:55,279 Speaker 3: He double crosses the cats. 202 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 4: Tell him that Joe I told him, all right, joll. 203 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,759 Speaker 3: Make contact. Meanwhile, I'll think it out. 204 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,879 Speaker 4: All up. Mister, Wait a minute, where'd you come from? 205 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:27,360 How did that do? 206 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 5: Away? 207 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 4: Winchell, I got a message play from a Satan Totty. 208 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,879 What certain potty? It's Satan Toddy. Hey'd your broadcast last night? 209 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,639 He's thinking a deal over and we'll get to you later. 210 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:58,679 Wait a minute, what's yeather year later? Winchell? End upon 211 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:00,279 for you, mister Winchell. You can take it at the 212 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:06,200 day bro Oh thanks waiter? Hello, Yes, but who is 213 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:07,360 I got a message for you? 214 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:11,519 Speaker 2: Come in in through you funny? 215 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 10: Thanks, change his mind, We'll get. 216 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 4: To Wait a minute, who is this? 217 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:16,879 Speaker 7: Hello? 218 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 4: Hello? 219 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:36,519 Speaker 8: Hello, Yeah, mister Winchell, Bark club. Oh thanks, driver, keep 220 00:14:36,559 --> 00:14:39,080 the change. Yes, I have a message for. 221 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 12: You from a sip and party so made up his mind, 222 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:43,240 but he'll contact you tomorrow night. 223 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 4: Another message. Now listen driver, right, you want to stay healthy? 224 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,679 I got my face and the license number of this hoy. 225 00:14:49,960 --> 00:15:09,799 Speaker 13: Wait a minute, Okay. 226 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:05,679 Speaker 3: And. 227 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 10: Yes, I got a message from a second party. 228 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:11,559 Speaker 8: But before you go any further, I've got a message 229 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:17,440 my certain party, a party named Jay Edgar Hoover. We're 230 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,639 tired of this stalling around. It's been three weeks now. 231 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:21,559 If the cat doesn't come in by tomorrow night, the 232 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,000 deal is off. Remember, the cops have been told to 233 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:38,080 bring him in dead or alive. Well, yes, the cat, Oh, 234 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:52,519 where the arch is? Yes, be there night at seven. 235 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:56,799 Speaker 4: Long, I'll be there. Yes, don't try anything. 236 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: We'll be back in just a moment with the night's 237 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,639 big story. 238 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 6: Now we return you to our narrator, Barry Kroger. It's 239 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:36,840 a big story you, Walter Winchell, have a date. You've 240 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,240 got a date with public Enemy number one at a 241 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,399 theater and younkers at seven tonight. And this may be 242 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,759 the end of the nation's biggest man hans since the 243 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:46,639 Lindbergh case. 244 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:50,559 Speaker 7: Or it may be just the end of your New 245 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:55,679 York Reporter, Walter Winchell. You could very well end up 246 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:59,039 looking like a human sieve and some gutter, or at 247 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,799 the bottom of the East River wearing concrete shoes. 248 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 3: You don't know. 249 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:09,799 Speaker 4: Anyway, Before you go, you have another talk with j 250 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:10,400 Edgar Hoover. 251 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 12: Walter, this looks like the showdown one way or the other. 252 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,480 I am sure of it, John, and I wouldn't try 253 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,920 to kitch you. Cat is dangerous, chiller, taking chance, driving 254 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,039 up the ankers alone. 255 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 4: I know. 256 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 8: I keep telling myself that. Then I keep telling myself 257 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,319 what a story. What a story? 258 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 12: What if you don't meet the cat tonight? Why what 259 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,039 if you meet a conlad of his thugs instead? My figure, 260 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:39,440 you're trying to double cross him, and this may be 261 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:42,680 a crap to beat you to the punch, you. 262 00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:45,519 Speaker 4: Know, John, I think you're trying to talk me out 263 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:47,519 of this. All right. 264 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 12: Let me put it this way, Water, we want the cat, 265 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,079 We want him badly. You were an officer of the 266 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,119 law or an agent of the FBI, you wouldn't even 267 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,519 discuss it. You'd keep that appointment. There's a matter of duty. 268 00:18:01,319 --> 00:18:05,079 But I'm a newspaper man. More than that, Walter, you're 269 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,359 a friend of mine, and even more than that, you're 270 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,640 a private citizen with certain constitutional rights. 271 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:13,079 Speaker 3: You don't have to go. 272 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 4: Thanks for the out, John, But I'm still in all right. 273 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 12: If there's something you've got to understand, Yeah, you'll have 274 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:26,480 to go alone, as arranged. I can't send any of 275 00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:29,960 my boys to help you. In the first place, any 276 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,720 of the Cat's gunmen spot any of my agents around, 277 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:38,519 you won't live five minutes they see. And in the 278 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,759 second place, In the second place, that theater and Yonkers 279 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:45,000 is in a busy neighborhood, A lot of innocent people 280 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:46,240 will be on the streets up there. 281 00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:47,559 Speaker 3: There's gun play. 282 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 4: Some of em might be killed. All right, John, I'll 283 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,240 still take the chance alone. I'll wait for your phone call. 284 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:09,680 Good luck, Wi. You get into the. 285 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,519 Speaker 7: Car, You're head uptown. Butterflies are flapping their wings in 286 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:19,119 your stomach as you drive past. Then Courtland's Park, and 287 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,480 then the Yonkers. And when you stop for a red light, 288 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:26,440 a big black car drives up beside you. It's filled 289 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,759 with hard faced gangsters and they're looking. 290 00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:30,079 Speaker 4: Right at you. 291 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 7: One of them jumps out and gets into your car. 292 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 4: Oh, don't try to beat that red light. Sorry, I 293 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:41,119 was just nervous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And don't try to 294 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,359 go through any other red light. We don't want to 295 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,759 talk to any cops. Now, you get me, I get you. Okay, 296 00:19:48,440 --> 00:20:01,519 the light's just change, step on it. Where should I go? 297 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,920 Just drive and keep your mouth shut and just tell me. 298 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,440 All right? When should you ask? Britt? 299 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 9: And I'll tell you we've gone for a little ride. 300 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 14: Okay, stop the car here under that tree. 301 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 4: Look so as I say, no, enough for you? Your 302 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:41,319 headlights too? What what are you gonna do? Now? Just 303 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:47,079 make sure you don't double cross this check it open 304 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,039 that door. I want to hear there's any cock comings. 305 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 3: No, no cock com. 306 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 4: We're alone, all right? Oh say wait a minute, look 307 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:08,200 I take it easy, Take it easy, relax, No one's 308 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,759 going to do it. Just making sure no copsta gone 309 00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:15,960 back to town to town. 310 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, remember you got a date to need a Satan party. 311 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:24,680 Now listen, I want you to go into a phone booth. 312 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,200 I'll wait for you in the car. You call j 313 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,240 Edgar Hoover, tell them to be at twenty eighth Street 314 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:36,359 and Fifth Avenue, southeast side at ten fifteen tonight. 315 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,599 Speaker 4: Got it? I got it? 316 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 5: And one more thing, Yes, tell Hooba to be there 317 00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:55,079 along and tell him not to pack a rot. 318 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:02,079 Speaker 4: Did you get Hoover? Yes, he'll be there. 319 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,599 Speaker 3: Okay, Hell, I'll be leaving you here. 320 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 4: Winchell. Now you go to Madison Square Park. 321 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 5: And stop at twenty fourth Street. Then wait there, got it, 322 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:20,640 I've got it, I'll say. But before I go, yeah, 323 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:21,400 take this. 324 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:23,839 Speaker 3: What is it a rabbit? 325 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 4: Square? Give it that a cat? Maybe he'll need it 326 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:30,319 or maybe you will. 327 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 7: You drive away and cruise downtown, and finally, a couple 328 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,279 of minutes before ten and you come to Madison Square. 329 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,119 You see the light burning on the top of the 330 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,759 Metropolitan Life Insurance building, and you wonder if you've paid 331 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:52,960 all your premiums up to day in Madison in twenty 332 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,119 fourth Street, and just as you roll to a stop, 333 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:57,200 you see. 334 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 3: A man coming towards your car. 335 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,799 Speaker 7: He's wearing mustache, long sideburns, dark glasses in the top coat. 336 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:22,079 Speaker 12: Oh wala, hello cat, here's your rabbit's foot. Thanks, let's 337 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,279 go meet your friend. All right, he's at the I 338 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:26,240 know where he is. 339 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: Get gone. 340 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 7: You swing the car around and pointed up town. The 341 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,559 man in disguise beside you. Your big story sitting there 342 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:48,920 beside you, says nothing, but you know this is the cat, 343 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,799 a very careless man with a gun. For all you know, 344 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:54,799 he may have one on him now in his pocket, 345 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,079 pointing at it. 346 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 3: Your whim. 347 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 7: Anything can happen between here and twenty eight Street. 348 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 3: Then it does. 349 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 7: You stop for the light of twenty seventh, and just 350 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:06,359 as you do, a police cruiser from the fourteenth Poe 351 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,039 Think stops beside you, and the two cops in it 352 00:24:09,079 --> 00:24:13,200 look you over your hot twins like a violin string. 353 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,960 You know that eighteen thousand cops in New York City 354 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,519 are looking for the cat with their guns ready. 355 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 12: And the man next to you knows it too. I 356 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:28,839 see you have a few friends here, Water. I was 357 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,799 sick ofing us the once over. Now you written invite 358 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,559 him to our little party the joada. Now it's a coincidence. 359 00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:39,480 It just happened to be here. I hope you're right, Water. 360 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,880 I hope they just drive on and don't bother it. 361 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,039 I hope so your sake. 362 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 4: Look, I didn't know there was gonna be any girl 363 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:49,480 in a. 364 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 3: Very bad position. Wall him very bad. 365 00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 12: See you're at the wheel between those cops and me. 366 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,559 They take an answery he had nothing. 367 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 4: Wait a minute, light's changing, police cars going ahead. It's 368 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,759 not going to stop us. 369 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 3: I'm glad of that. Water, I'm very glad of that. 370 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,599 Speaker 4: You are glad. How do you think I see it? 371 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:15,839 Speaker 7: Oh? 372 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,799 Speaker 3: Que nerve us fall down, I slow down. We'll stop 373 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:19,680 at this next corner. 374 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 4: Yeah. 375 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:28,039 Speaker 12: Yeah, Well here we are, and there's Jay Jehoba in 376 00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:28,440 that car. 377 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:44,079 Speaker 15: Let's go and say hello older, Okay, hello my Stahovah. 378 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 4: Right, so you two know each other. 379 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,319 Speaker 12: I've been waiting to meet this gentleman for a long time. 380 00:25:51,880 --> 00:26:01,839 Pleasures all mine. You didn't sir the two Walter. All right, Pat, 381 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:14,000 suppose we take you for a little ride. 382 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 8: All right, Water, get out, get out? But John, this 383 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:20,920 is only thirteenth Street. The FBI headquarters is down at 384 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,559 Foley Square. 385 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 4: I know, but I'm dropping you here. Wait a minute, John, 386 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,400 you can't do this to me. What about my story? 387 00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:26,519 That's just the point. 388 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 12: I'm protecting your story. 389 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,599 Speaker 4: I don't get it. Figure it out, Water. 390 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 12: The news halts around headquarters. 391 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,599 Speaker 4: See me coming in with you and the cat here. 392 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,599 Speaker 12: It'll beat you to your own story, and then goodbye, exclusively. 393 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,720 Thanks John, I didn't think of that. 394 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,319 Speaker 4: Better start looking for a phone. 395 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:52,599 Speaker 3: Water, I'll see you later. You find yourself in a 396 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,920 deserted section, nothing but. 397 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,839 Speaker 7: Dark warehouses and stores. 398 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:58,759 Speaker 4: No phone. 399 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:05,599 Speaker 7: Go over one street, not another, Still no phone. You 400 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,960 begin to think that by now j Ed go Hoover 401 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,240 has reached FBI headquarters with a cat. You start to 402 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,680 sweat as you imagine the reporters down there taking one 403 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,680 look and then diving for their phones to relay the 404 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,240 big story. You're big story. You start to run. You 405 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,839 run for what seems to be blocks, and then you 406 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,319 see an open bar and grille. You rush in and 407 00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:28,000 there's a payphone and you dial the office and then mirror. 408 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 8: Ed Walla Winche, listen, give me a rewrite. I just 409 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,359 got an exclusive page one. Yeah, I guess turned the 410 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,079 cat over to Jane Head. Gohova, hurry up and give 411 00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:36,240 me rewrite easy. 412 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 4: It's a big story. 413 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 11: But not picking up a page one tonight anyway? 414 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 4: What do you mean, Sarlin just signed a pack. 415 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,519 Speaker 3: This was your big story. 416 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 7: You're worried off six pounds in getting it. You affected 417 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,200 the surrender of America's public Enemy number one. Thereby saved 418 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,240 the government and the state fifty thousand dollars in reward 419 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:13,039 money it would have been paid for his capture. And 420 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,839 though you didn't make the headline screen, you, Walter Winchell, 421 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,880 made this story, and it was a big story after all. 422 00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 2: In just a moment, we'll read you a telegram from 423 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,079 Water Winchell of the New York Daily Mirror with a 424 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:53,160 final outcome of tonight's big story. Now we read you 425 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,839 that telegram from water Winchell of the New York Daily Mirror. 426 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,599 Speaker 8: After serving one year in the federal penitentiary and a 427 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,519 narcotics change criminal, and Tonight's big story was turned over 428 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,279 to New York State to stand trial for murder. He 429 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,039 was found guilty and died in the electric chair at 430 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,480 Sing Sing Many thanks for the Knight's. 431 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,359 Speaker 2: Pell Mell Award. Thank you, mister Winchell. The makers of 432 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,920 pell Mell Famous Cigarettes are proud to have named you 433 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,319 the winner of the pell Mell five hundred dollars Award 434 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,799 for notable service in the field of Journalism. Listen again 435 00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:25,720 next week, same time, same station, when pell Mell Famous 436 00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:29,720 Cigarettes will present another Big Story, A big story from 437 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,200 the pages of the Chicago Daily News byline Guy Howsley, 438 00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:38,440 A big story that began when a reporter walked up 439 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,680 the path to a suburban home and rang a doorbell, 440 00:29:45,000 --> 00:30:03,880 a ring that was never answered. The Big Story is 441 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,240 produced by Bernard J. Procter and directed by Harry Ingram, 442 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,359 with music by Vladimis Lensky. Tonight's program was written by 443 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,240 Mac Surley. Your narrator was Barry Kroger, and Ward Wilson 444 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,519 played the part of Walter Winchell. 445 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,079 Speaker 4: All names in. 446 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:20,599 Speaker 2: Tonight's story, except those of mister Winchell and mister Hoover, 447 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,599 were thick Kisses, but the dramatization was based on a 448 00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,759 true and authentic case. This is Ernest Chappell speaking for 449 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,319 the makers of Pell Mell famous cigarette. Don't forget friends 450 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:31,720 to listen to the new comedy hit the. 451 00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 6: Jack Parr Program, heard every Sunday night over most of 452 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:37,400 these same stations in the Jack Penny time spot. 453 00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:47,599 Speaker 4: This is NBC, the National Broadcasting Company. 454 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,759 Speaker 1: Welcome back. That stolen guy could be such a pain 455 00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:57,359 overshadowing windshall Lock that he probably did not appreciate that 456 00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:01,119 at all. In all seriousness, this had to be a 457 00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:03,400 challenging part for Ward Wilson. 458 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:04,279 Speaker 10: Well. 459 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:10,119 Speaker 1: Usually, the big story featured relatively obscure journalist whose reputation 460 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,240 was regional at best. Walter Winschell was on a whole 461 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:18,000 other level. With all due respect to Dorothy Kilgallon, he 462 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,319 was much bigger than her, and much bigger than nearly 463 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,079 everyone in broadcasting or journalism. His broadcasts at this time 464 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,039 were top rated. At some point he was even higher 465 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,720 rated than Jack Benny. The fact is that the number 466 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:37,079 of reporters who could pick up the phone and say, Hey, JEdgar, 467 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,880 could you come help with this was a pretty small universe, 468 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,880 So there's a bit more of a sense where Ward Wilson. 469 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,039 It feels like is trying to do an impersonation or 470 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:53,720 at least evoke this very well known personality, rather than 471 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,640 playing a character in his own way, as you see 472 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,519 with characters like Less Tremaine or John Gibson who played 473 00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:05,279 far less well known journalists and could just kind of 474 00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:07,880 go with it in their own way. Now, according to 475 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,440 the story behind the Big Story website, this particular case 476 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,559 had a lot of details changed, but was based on 477 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,200 the capture of Louis Lepke, who was a big part 478 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:27,559 of Murder Incorporated. And Winchell played a really big part 479 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,480 in that, and this explains why, indeed, if that part 480 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,240 actually happened this way, Hoover would have been willing to 481 00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:38,440 spend weeks in New York City waiting for Lepke to 482 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:42,240 make up his mind. And of course it would also 483 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,160 explain Winchell putting up with as long as he did 484 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:51,440 the sending messengers just to say, yeah, he's still thinking 485 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,799 about it. I mean, you have to be some sort 486 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:56,920 of big shot if you're going to pull that sort 487 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,359 of stuff with Winchell. Now, the true story, at least 488 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,200 according to Winschell, he made into a commercial recording that 489 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,519 was a best seller and very popular. He told the 490 00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:15,759 story completely from his perspective. Now, someone uploaded the record 491 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,119 onto YouTube, but it has since been removed, so alas 492 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,319 not available to us listener comments and feedback. Now and 493 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,640 we go over to Spotify, where mechanics sixty six comments. 494 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,039 Apparently in this period the use of second person narrative 495 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,119 was popular. I personally don't. 496 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 4: Care for it. 497 00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: And of course this references the fact where the narrator, 498 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,559 Barry Kroger, is constantly telling the events as you did this, 499 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,000 you went there, this happened to you. I think it's 500 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,039 kind of an interesting approach. I'm not going to say 501 00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:59,680 good or bad. It does vary a bit on the 502 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:04,599 con text. At its core, it's an interesting idea, particularly 503 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:09,559 for audio, the idea that in the theater of the mind, 504 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,639 you can't imagine yourself in the situation, or imagine yourself 505 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,280 to a degree as the hero. There was that very 506 00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:25,639 odd film by Robert Montgomery where the film was shot 507 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,920 entirely from the perspective of the detective, in this case 508 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:34,719 Philip Marlowe. So you only really caught him like looking 509 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,360 in the mirror or just when his reflection showed up. 510 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,360 In Lady and the Like and in a way that 511 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,840 was trying to do the sort of thing that you 512 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,960 could do with radio. All the time you're walking along 513 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,000 with the detective with the lead character. You are in 514 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,320 his or her point of view, and you experience what 515 00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:00,000 they experience. Now, do you have to use the second 516 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,840 person narration to emphasize that? 517 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 4: Not really. 518 00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: If you want to imagine yourself or to imagine you 519 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,760 as the hero of the story, you can do that 520 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,000 without somebody constantly saying you, you, you, And in some 521 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:21,280 cases it's a bit odd. Dragnet, for one, always has 522 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,599 this interesting spot where at the start the narrator says, 523 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,760 you are a detective sergeant, you are assigned to homicide detail, 524 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,639 et cetera. And then we go forward and Jack Webb 525 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,599 is narrating and we are in first person rather than 526 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:41,800 second person. So the second person at the start of 527 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,000 the episode doesn't seem to have much of a point 528 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,760 in my opinion, Doctor who Done It comments poor John 529 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,119 Gibson stuck behind the counter again. Oh well, it's like 530 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,280 my sister Edna always says, better be to be stuck 531 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,800 behind a counter than a fly on the wall or 532 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,320 something like that. Well, as I've said, these are have 533 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,639 a bit of a rep company feel, and you can 534 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:09,920 play the reporter herero one week and end up either 535 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:12,360 the next week or a few weeks down the line 536 00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:18,079 playing some minor role. I haven't gone through extensively all 537 00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:22,119 of the scraps there's around three hundred of them and 538 00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,679 read the cast list, but I'm sure John Gibson got 539 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:31,239 another shot as the lead character in one of these 540 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,920 stories as well, though whether we'll hear it or not 541 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,480 that's another matter. Now it's time to thank our Patreon 542 00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:40,920 supporter of the day, and I want to thank Artemio, 543 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,000 Patreon supporter since October twenty twenty one, currently supporting the 544 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:48,159 podcast at the shawmus level of four dollars or more 545 00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,960 per month. Thanks so much for your support. Now we'll 546 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,639 do it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please 547 00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:57,960 follow us using your favorite podcast software and be sure 548 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,039 to rate and review the podcast wherever you download it from. 549 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,960 We'll be back next Tuesday with another episode of the 550 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,159 Big Story, but join us back here tomorrow for Broadways 551 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,039 My Beat. 552 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 16: Where Pablo Malari Danny from Uptown West one hundred and 553 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,880 ninth Street carried one of those handwritten identification. 554 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 3: Card you find anything else on him. 555 00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 16: Not much five dollar bill in his wallet, his saints 556 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,519 mean daddi, and he's wearing on a chain around his neck. 557 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,639 That's about all you're question the people. And yeah, Danny, 558 00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:27,760 every door, no one ever heard of the kid, had 559 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,960 nothing to do with him. Didn't want to talk about him. 560 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:32,320 You know, most of them were trying to sleep, to heat, 561 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,800 the kids squalling. 562 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 15: You know, yeah, eating job broken. 563 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,519 Speaker 3: This bruise on his throat must. 564 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,079 Speaker 16: Be the one that killed him. Come down here, Danny, 565 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,880 Huh what? Take a look at the sign on this door. 566 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,440 Hudson Club Johnny Hammett President. I guess it's one of 567 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,920 those street clubs the kids make up for themselves. His 568 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,039 neighborhood's loaded with him. 569 00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:59,079 Speaker 3: You think what happened to this kid is part of it? Yeah? 570 00:37:59,119 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 4: I think. 571 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: I hope you will be with us then in the meantime, 572 00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:08,320 send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, 573 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,119 follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us 574 00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:18,400 out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. 575 00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:21,559 This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.