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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout Podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. And for this week of February

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth, we are continuing with Lost Season two, episode ten,

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty third PSALM. Last week we had two bad

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<v Speaker 1>dads and a bad mom. This week it's bad Brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>Bad Brother's Week.

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<v Speaker 3>Un Loss.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie's talking about how his brother is the one who

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<v Speaker 1>got him hooked, which I guess, and Echo is a

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<v Speaker 1>good slash bad brother to his brother. I mean he

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<v Speaker 1>does prevent his young brother from having to shoot somebody

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<v Speaker 1>by taking the gun and shooting that person himself. And

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<v Speaker 1>then later on the younger brother has become a priest,

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<v Speaker 1>and big brother Echo comes and involves him in drug

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<v Speaker 1>shipments that result in the younger brother getting shot and

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<v Speaker 1>killed and Echo pretending to be a priest. And somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>some way, the plane on which the dead brother was flying,

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<v Speaker 1>along with all the drugs and little statue of the

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<v Speaker 1>Virgin Mary crashed on the island.

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<v Speaker 3>How can that can turn it off in Nigeria?

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<v Speaker 2>And we are not anywhere near that are not there?

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<v Speaker 1>And I, I mean, I can't say I've seen all

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<v Speaker 1>the statues of the Virgin Mary that there are, but

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that they're a not uncommon item. Yes, there

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<v Speaker 1>can't be that much variation in the appearance of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But Echo looks at that and says, I know where

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<v Speaker 1>this is. Where is the plane?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it was a pretty significant moment in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. But to immediately leap in a second without

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<v Speaker 1>even like a week of thinking about it. Two, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the exact one that was in that plane, and

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<v Speaker 1>therefore that plane is on this island. Let's go find it.

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<v Speaker 4>When as we've established there geographically so.

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<v Speaker 1>Far exactly the first thing that would jump into your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think it would be like, oh boy,

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<v Speaker 1>this is just exactly like we did. This was so familiar.

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<v Speaker 1>It brings a rush of memories to me. There are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, horrible right, But Nope, Nope, this is it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the one. Where's the plane?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is a guy who can face down

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<v Speaker 1>the Smoke Monster. So I guess maybe he's got some

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<v Speaker 1>special skills of perception or whatever. Did you? I was

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<v Speaker 1>seeing on lust Pedia that in the Smoke Monster we

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<v Speaker 1>saw lots of individual pictures of Echo's life. Did not

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<v Speaker 1>see that My my TV resolution and my eyeballs were

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<v Speaker 1>not able to detect any such things mine either. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you did not either. Okay, I think possibly you had

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<v Speaker 1>to be the kind of person who would freeze fram me.

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<v Speaker 1>But how nice of them to service that I having

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<v Speaker 1>something for them to look at.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess we were at that point already and this show's.

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<v Speaker 3>Life that people were freezing.

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<v Speaker 1>Were we ever?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>But it did have sort of like a bits and

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<v Speaker 1>pieces he feeling to it when you were in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of it, as opposed to Yeah, but holy cow,

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<v Speaker 1>he stared down the smoke monster, and the smoke Monster said,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I got out. Maybe he was just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to analyze, I'm only looking for good people. Is this

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<v Speaker 1>a good No? Not for me. Didn't even have to

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<v Speaker 1>look at Charlie just k new from this. Yeah, but uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that was that was tripping good for him. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>for formidable fellow. Is but just that whole You have

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<v Speaker 1>to take this with a heaping helping of this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is a story we're being told so and and

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<v Speaker 1>if you know, if this is the thing that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to cause you to say, oh, well forget it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably best you I could accept. But this guy just

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<v Speaker 1>knowing it's the plane and finding his brother on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it's like you knew from the very first

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<v Speaker 1>moment that that was Chekhov's silver cross.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Later on we were going to find it around his

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<v Speaker 1>brother's neck, and that's how we were going to know

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<v Speaker 1>it was his brother.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna it's gonna be important because they focused on

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<v Speaker 1>it a bunch of times.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very important.

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<v Speaker 1>You just waiting for him to find a corpse that

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<v Speaker 1>had the cross on it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>The first take two maybe this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So they did point out on lost Pedia that

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<v Speaker 1>the corpse that he found that was his brother had hair,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas the brother in life not so much. So apparently

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<v Speaker 1>something that happens when you get into this Island's weird

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<v Speaker 1>pull is that your hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Grips and then the Kate has to give you a haircut.

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<v Speaker 1>If this is the hardest thing to believe, then you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't paid right. Yeah, isn't that shoot? Cute little sinner,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cute little uh moment there of Sir getting

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<v Speaker 1>his haircut and Gin and Son brought Anta Lucia a fish.

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<v Speaker 1>No hard feelings, here's something I just pulled out of

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean. Well that son did sort of look like

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<v Speaker 1>she was given her the stink eye at first, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, and I mean Alice, I didn't treat

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<v Speaker 4>Gin very you know, like some doesn't know unless Jenne

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<v Speaker 4>told her, like everything that went down when he was

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<v Speaker 4>in the pit and all that was.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, at some point, you know, you put

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<v Speaker 1>my husband in a pit, you shot my friend.

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<v Speaker 4>But what we're all here, so, yes, that gave one

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<v Speaker 4>of those I mean, that was the.

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<v Speaker 3>Only time you saw on a Lysia the whole episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did feel like this was a different It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a different type of flashback in that they all

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<v Speaker 1>have the same basic trajectory of dampness, and so this

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<v Speaker 1>was just a different take on it. But at least

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<v Speaker 1>it was a different take on right. No, no bad

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<v Speaker 1>dad for one, Yeah, bad army like bad drug teamers,

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<v Speaker 1>bad brother in the end. But you know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a little different little something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing that I did not see with my terrible eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>but lost Pedia informed me is that Charlie had like

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<v Speaker 1>a cash of yes, okay that I completely I just

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<v Speaker 1>saw him put it down. I completely didn't see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He So, Charlotte, I was feeling bad that Claire was

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<v Speaker 1>being so unforgiving, But you're a bad right, What are

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<v Speaker 1>you gonna do with all that?

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<v Speaker 3>Man? Are you gonna sell it again?

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<v Speaker 1>And nobody's gonna notice? Yeah, there you go. I don

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<v Speaker 1>the smoke Monster looked pretty freaked out after Maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>use a fix?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, he he had us going definitely with like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't you know, I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It was in there. I knew he knew it was

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<v Speaker 3>in there, but.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact that he hadn't used it I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe he's I don't know, just keep being around to

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<v Speaker 4>remind himself to not use it. I don't know, Like

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<v Speaker 4>that doesn't make sense either, but you know you had

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<v Speaker 4>he definitely had me going and like, oh he's not

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<v Speaker 4>using Yeah, but it's bad that he has this one.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it turned out he has he has.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight because of course he went back and got more.

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<v Speaker 1>Why wouldn't you And he's acting like he doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>where the plane is.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well yeah, because he doesn't want anybody to know

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<v Speaker 4>about his stash.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I do wonder about Claire. And this is the

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<v Speaker 1>second episode. She was really harping on it, how Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>must be really religious because he had as this statue.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he was going on a plane trip. You got

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<v Speaker 1>a rosary, you got a crucifix, you got a prayer card,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a prayer book, you got a Bible, lots

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<v Speaker 1>and lots of things you would be more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>bring with you on a trip if you are a

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<v Speaker 1>religious person. In a statue, a plaster statue of I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not huge, it's not like the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 1>you put in the corner of your room. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>not small, it's not like a little pocket sized plastic Mary, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>why would she think, Oh, look at that, he's brought

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<v Speaker 1>this plaster statue. It survived the crash and he just

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<v Speaker 1>has it amongst his belongings. Honey, honey, you're a mom

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<v Speaker 1>now you have to be a little more perceptive. Moms

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<v Speaker 1>have to be able to say something is not right here.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you have that thing, my child?

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<v Speaker 3>And how did you even find it?

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<v Speaker 1>Buy in your store?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>And like would it have survived the crash? And was

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<v Speaker 4>it included in all of the copious luggage sorting that we.

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<v Speaker 1>Saw in the suitcases when we were emptying them out?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have that in your pocket? It's rather large,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have been smashed. It just it seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>she just believed that because we needed her to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that for the story. Right, you gotta get your mom

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<v Speaker 1>radar a little sharper than Maclar or Aaron is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>run all over you. Right, what's this sun?

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta investigate. You gotta at least pick that thing

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<v Speaker 1>up and shape so yes, yeah, yeah, parenting tip Exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>if something doesn't seem like it belongs there, it probably

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<v Speaker 1>does not belong there. And if somebody shows no other

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<v Speaker 1>signs of being religious. Probably the religious statue. Like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like he's kneeling out at the sunset.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he's doing nothing with this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like mister Echo is holding a club full of

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<v Speaker 1>Bible ruses. If he had a statue in his pocket,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, well, he's a big guy, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was protected in the crash. But Charlie, well, scraggling Charlie,

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<v Speaker 1>not so much. Uh so. And in other other plot

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<v Speaker 1>developments of questionable wisdom, Locke teaches Michael how to shoot

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<v Speaker 1>I could possibly go.

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<v Speaker 2>Also wasted a giant container of ranch dressing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dormer ranch dressing that's been there since gosh knows

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<v Speaker 1>when I want to put some bet on myself. Do

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<v Speaker 1>they have lettuce or they just I don't know. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was just light fingers into the ranch dressing and

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<v Speaker 1>linking it all the Yeah, it's food.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>If it couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>You couldn't use an empty container.

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<v Speaker 4>You need something in there, like put some rocks in

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<v Speaker 4>there or some water, like, don't use food.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they just really don't like ranch dressing. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take this thing out. I'm gonna shoot it. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>an abomination.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even like ranch dressing, but I thought, come on, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>We already used a lot of it. Curl yeah, party, yes, So.

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<v Speaker 1>See, they shouldn't have buried the They shouldn't have buried

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<v Speaker 1>the evil other spies so quickly. They could just have,

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<v Speaker 1>was amused when Locke says, Michael says, how did you

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to shoot? And Locke says, my dad used

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<v Speaker 1>he did. You maybe wanted maybe you went to learn

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<v Speaker 4>he was getting to know his dad, when his dad

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<v Speaker 1>Well hunting, I think they did. Okay, I missed that

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<v Speaker 1>a little boy lock. But no, it was definitely yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this could be. Okay. All right, Well, then my dad,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was I was accusing him of dishonesty.

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<v Speaker 1>Just didn't mention my dad when I was grown up

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<v Speaker 1>before where he took my.

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<v Speaker 3>Kid, before he took my kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would he teach Locke how to shoot? That seems

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<v Speaker 1>that seems unwise given what his.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone, I can't think who it was who said it,

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<v Speaker 1>but said you don't have to be belligerent just for

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, you know, for sure, I can picture saying it

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<v Speaker 1>Right, have no idea what you were saying. But honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it to myself. Just just let it go. Don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to be belligerent for belligerence's sake. But sometimes belligerent feels

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<v Speaker 1>belligerence feels really good. Yes, absolute, Oh well, and I did.

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<v Speaker 4>Get a little you know, it was emotional the very

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<v Speaker 4>end when the twenty third psalm of the title was

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<v Speaker 3>Locke was, I mean lock.

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<v Speaker 4>Echo was saying it over his brother, and Charlie did

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<v Speaker 4>join in. Charlie, who has you know established that he

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, so right, right, And of course there's also his

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<v Speaker 1>And I also that scene where Michael is trying to

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<v Speaker 3>He's like uh huh uh huh yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And he can't be like, get the bleep out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>He just has to be like, oh, yeah, have a chat.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like me in my work day pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>every day, like I need to be doing this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>or I have this social media thing I want to

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<v Speaker 1>look at, but I can't let anybody see I'm doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>And here comes one of my kids and I got

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to them because you got to talk to them,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's partly the most important people in my life. Hi, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just turn Twitter a little to the side.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you how much I love you, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just have this work to do. Yeah. I felt for

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<v Speaker 1>Michael in that moment because can't what else can you do?

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<v Speaker 1>You can't say go away, I have to sit here

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<v Speaker 1>and wait for beep. Yes, but also it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>so do very much want them to go.

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<v Speaker 4>It was definitely the like hide from your parents what

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<v Speaker 4>you're doing on the screen as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And that's what I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>that nice conversation. Yeah. And there are also certainly times,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine as parents many of us have felt like

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<v Speaker 1>mister Echo, staring at the freaking smoke monster, this horrifying, scary,

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<v Speaker 1>frightening thing, and just holding your ground and just looking

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<v Speaker 1>at it. I'm just gonna look at it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just gonna use the power of stinkye to stand here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, even against all the fear and terror and horror,

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<v Speaker 1>and every part of your body wants to run away,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're just gonna stand there and face it off.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes it goes away. Sometimes it devours you hole,

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it drags you to a hole in the ground.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes it throws you off in a tree.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, you know, all sorts of possibilities, but you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta stand your ground against oh gosh, sometimes raising kids

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<v Speaker 1>feels exactly like that, that you have all the horrible

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<v Speaker 1>Every time you open the paper, every time you turn

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<v Speaker 1>on the computer, you see all the horrible things that

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<v Speaker 1>can happen. You know, every time you have a meeting

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<v Speaker 1>at school, you think of all the terrible things that

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's apparently going to flash the little pictures if you right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have the eyesight to see them, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>still just gonna say, welp, you know what I'm just saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna face you don't scare me, And even

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<v Speaker 1>if you do scare me, I'm just gonna stand here.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, some days you feel like it runs away,

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<v Speaker 1>and some days you feel like you're up in or

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<v Speaker 1>in a hole, or you know, thrown out to see.

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<v Speaker 1>But still when it goes away, it feels really right.

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<v Speaker 3>It was quite impressive by a mister ico.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that was quite impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>He must have felt pretty good about himself at this

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<v Speaker 1>is This is what a badass I am. Even the

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know. Interesting interesting character, almost two stars

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<v Speaker 1>one spot with Locke. But but uh, because Locke would

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<v Speaker 1>also just stand there, right, because Lock would, didn't he

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<v Speaker 1>one time look into the face of the island. Was

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<v Speaker 1>it the smoke monster that he looked at? Maybe he

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<v Speaker 1>said he looked at something and he said it was

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking into the eye of the island or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, and it was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and he's just basically like, if it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>And if it's not, exactly it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys they should they should get together for a

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<v Speaker 1>Does Jack have any more of those little bottles? They

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<v Speaker 1>compare notes.

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<v Speaker 4>I get the feeling that very goes not a drinker,

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<v Speaker 4>but who knows?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not. They got some party supplies in that plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Still apparently hasn't taken.

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<v Speaker 3>The ball boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, on we go. What smoke monster are we staring down?

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<v Speaker 1>Next week? Is it about Kate and are bad parenting? No,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see next Tuesday. We will continue with season two,

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<v Speaker 1>Episode eleven, have lost called the Hunting Party? Oh, for

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<v Speaker 1>goodness sake, people just stay on the beach where it's safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have to keep going into the jungle. What's

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<v Speaker 1>the matter with you? You just got back together, we

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<v Speaker 1>have established just still some food left in the hat,

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<v Speaker 1>just just hang a man. Oh well, hey, somebody's going hunting.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like what they're hunting for. I do not know,

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<v Speaker 1>but we will find out, and we will see you

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<v Speaker 1>back here tomorrow to discuss a Man on the Inside,

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<v Speaker 1>where somebody is also supposedly hunting for things, but this week.

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