Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout Podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
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Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property. And for this week of February
Speaker 1: twenty fourth, we are continuing with Lost Season two, episode ten,
Speaker 1: the twenty third PSALM. Last week we had two bad
Speaker 1: dads and a bad mom. This week it's bad Brothers,
Speaker 1: Bad Brother's Week.
Speaker 3: Un Loss.
Speaker 1: Charlie's talking about how his brother is the one who
Speaker 1: got him hooked, which I guess, and Echo is a
Speaker 1: good slash bad brother to his brother. I mean he
Speaker 1: does prevent his young brother from having to shoot somebody
Speaker 1: by taking the gun and shooting that person himself. And
Speaker 1: then later on the younger brother has become a priest,
Speaker 1: and big brother Echo comes and involves him in drug
Speaker 1: shipments that result in the younger brother getting shot and
Speaker 1: killed and Echo pretending to be a priest. And somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, the plane on which the dead brother was flying,
Speaker 1: along with all the drugs and little statue of the
Speaker 1: Virgin Mary crashed on the island.
Speaker 3: How can that can turn it off in Nigeria?
Speaker 2: And we are not anywhere near that are not there?
Speaker 1: And I, I mean, I can't say I've seen all
Speaker 1: the statues of the Virgin Mary that there are, but
Speaker 1: I believe that they're a not uncommon item. Yes, there
Speaker 1: can't be that much variation in the appearance of them.
Speaker 1: But Echo looks at that and says, I know where
Speaker 1: this is. Where is the plane?
Speaker 4: Well, it was a pretty significant moment in his life.
Speaker 1: I guess. But to immediately leap in a second without
Speaker 1: even like a week of thinking about it. Two, this
Speaker 1: is the exact one that was in that plane, and
Speaker 1: therefore that plane is on this island. Let's go find it.
Speaker 4: When as we've established there geographically so.
Speaker 1: Far exactly the first thing that would jump into your mind.
Speaker 1: I mean I think it would be like, oh boy,
Speaker 1: this is just exactly like we did. This was so familiar.
Speaker 1: It brings a rush of memories to me. There are
Speaker 1: you know, horrible right, But Nope, Nope, this is it.
Speaker 1: This is the one. Where's the plane?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who can face down
Speaker 1: the Smoke Monster. So I guess maybe he's got some
Speaker 1: special skills of perception or whatever. Did you? I was
Speaker 1: seeing on lust Pedia that in the Smoke Monster we
Speaker 1: saw lots of individual pictures of Echo's life. Did not
Speaker 1: see that My my TV resolution and my eyeballs were
Speaker 1: not able to detect any such things mine either. Okay,
Speaker 1: you did not either. Okay, I think possibly you had
Speaker 1: to be the kind of person who would freeze fram me.
Speaker 1: But how nice of them to service that I having
Speaker 1: something for them to look at.
Speaker 4: I guess we were at that point already and this show's.
Speaker 3: Life that people were freezing.
Speaker 1: Were we ever?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: But it did have sort of like a bits and
Speaker 1: pieces he feeling to it when you were in the
Speaker 1: middle of it, as opposed to Yeah, but holy cow,
Speaker 1: he stared down the smoke monster, and the smoke Monster said,
Speaker 1: all right, I got out. Maybe he was just trying
Speaker 1: to analyze, I'm only looking for good people. Is this
Speaker 1: a good No? Not for me. Didn't even have to
Speaker 1: look at Charlie just k new from this. Yeah, but uh,
Speaker 1: that was that was tripping good for him. He's a
Speaker 1: for formidable fellow. Is but just that whole You have
Speaker 1: to take this with a heaping helping of this is
Speaker 1: this is a story we're being told so and and
Speaker 1: if you know, if this is the thing that's going
Speaker 1: to cause you to say, oh, well forget it, it's
Speaker 1: probably best you I could accept. But this guy just
Speaker 1: knowing it's the plane and finding his brother on it.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's like you knew from the very first
Speaker 1: moment that that was Chekhov's silver cross.
Speaker 3: Yes, for sure.
Speaker 1: Later on we were going to find it around his
Speaker 1: brother's neck, and that's how we were going to know
Speaker 1: it was his brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know.
Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna be important because they focused on
Speaker 1: it a bunch of times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very important.
Speaker 1: You just waiting for him to find a corpse that
Speaker 1: had the cross on it wasn't.
Speaker 4: The first take two maybe this one.
Speaker 1: Yes, So they did point out on lost Pedia that
Speaker 1: the corpse that he found that was his brother had hair,
Speaker 1: whereas the brother in life not so much. So apparently
Speaker 1: something that happens when you get into this Island's weird
Speaker 1: pull is that your hair.
Speaker 2: Grips and then the Kate has to give you a haircut.
Speaker 1: If this is the hardest thing to believe, then you
Speaker 1: haven't paid right. Yeah, isn't that shoot? Cute little sinner,
Speaker 1: you know, cute little uh moment there of Sir getting
Speaker 1: his haircut and Gin and Son brought Anta Lucia a fish.
Speaker 1: No hard feelings, here's something I just pulled out of
Speaker 1: the ocean. Well that son did sort of look like
Speaker 1: she was given her the stink eye at first, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and I mean Alice, I didn't treat
Speaker 4: Gin very you know, like some doesn't know unless Jenne
Speaker 4: told her, like everything that went down when he was
Speaker 4: in the pit and all that was.
Speaker 1: But you know, at some point, you know, you put
Speaker 1: my husband in a pit, you shot my friend.
Speaker 4: But what we're all here, so, yes, that gave one
Speaker 4: of those I mean, that was the.
Speaker 3: Only time you saw on a Lysia the whole episode.
Speaker 1: But I did feel like this was a different It
Speaker 1: wasn't a different type of flashback in that they all
Speaker 1: have the same basic trajectory of dampness, and so this
Speaker 1: was just a different take on it. But at least
Speaker 1: it was a different take on right. No, no bad
Speaker 1: dad for one, Yeah, bad army like bad drug teamers,
Speaker 1: bad brother in the end. But you know, it was
Speaker 1: a little different little something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh.
Speaker 1: Another thing that I did not see with my terrible eyes,
Speaker 1: but lost Pedia informed me is that Charlie had like
Speaker 1: a cash of yes, okay that I completely I just
Speaker 1: saw him put it down. I completely didn't see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He So, Charlotte, I was feeling bad that Claire was
Speaker 1: being so unforgiving, But you're a bad right, What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do with all that?
Speaker 3: Man? Are you gonna sell it again?
Speaker 1: And nobody's gonna notice? Yeah, there you go. I don
Speaker 1: the smoke Monster looked pretty freaked out after Maybe you
Speaker 1: use a fix?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, he he had us going definitely with like, oh,
Speaker 4: I didn't you know, I didn't know.
Speaker 3: It was in there. I knew he knew it was
Speaker 3: in there, but.
Speaker 4: The fact that he hadn't used it I was like, well,
Speaker 4: maybe he's I don't know, just keep being around to
Speaker 4: remind himself to not use it. I don't know, Like
Speaker 4: that doesn't make sense either, but you know you had
Speaker 4: he definitely had me going and like, oh he's not
Speaker 4: using Yeah, but it's bad that he has this one.
Speaker 4: Now it turned out he has he has.
Speaker 1: Eight because of course he went back and got more.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you And he's acting like he doesn't know
Speaker 1: where the plane is.
Speaker 4: Oh well yeah, because he doesn't want anybody to know
Speaker 4: about his stash.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do wonder about Claire. And this is the
Speaker 1: second episode. She was really harping on it, how Charlie
Speaker 1: must be really religious because he had as this statue.
Speaker 1: Now he was going on a plane trip. You got
Speaker 1: a rosary, you got a crucifix, you got a prayer card,
Speaker 1: you got a prayer book, you got a Bible, lots
Speaker 1: and lots of things you would be more likely to
Speaker 1: bring with you on a trip if you are a
Speaker 1: religious person. In a statue, a plaster statue of I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not huge, it's not like the kind of thing
Speaker 1: you put in the corner of your room. But it's
Speaker 1: not small, it's not like a little pocket sized plastic Mary, Yes,
Speaker 1: why would she think, Oh, look at that, he's brought
Speaker 1: this plaster statue. It survived the crash and he just
Speaker 1: has it amongst his belongings. Honey, honey, you're a mom
Speaker 1: now you have to be a little more perceptive. Moms
Speaker 1: have to be able to say something is not right here.
Speaker 1: Why do you have that thing, my child?
Speaker 3: And how did you even find it?
Speaker 1: Buy in your store?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: And like would it have survived the crash? And was
Speaker 4: it included in all of the copious luggage sorting that we.
Speaker 1: Saw in the suitcases when we were emptying them out?
Speaker 1: Did you have that in your pocket? It's rather large,
Speaker 1: it would have been smashed. It just it seemed like
Speaker 1: she just believed that because we needed her to believe
Speaker 1: that for the story. Right, you gotta get your mom
Speaker 1: radar a little sharper than Maclar or Aaron is gonna
Speaker 1: run all over you. Right, what's this sun?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 1: You gotta investigate. You gotta at least pick that thing
Speaker 1: up and shape so yes, yeah, yeah, parenting tip Exactly,
Speaker 1: if something doesn't seem like it belongs there, it probably
Speaker 1: does not belong there. And if somebody shows no other
Speaker 1: signs of being religious. Probably the religious statue. Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like he's kneeling out at the sunset.
Speaker 3: No, he's doing nothing with this.
Speaker 1: It's like mister Echo is holding a club full of
Speaker 1: Bible ruses. If he had a statue in his pocket,
Speaker 1: I would say, well, he's a big guy, and it
Speaker 1: was protected in the crash. But Charlie, well, scraggling Charlie,
Speaker 1: not so much. Uh so. And in other other plot
Speaker 1: developments of questionable wisdom, Locke teaches Michael how to shoot
Speaker 1: I could possibly go.
Speaker 2: Also wasted a giant container of ranch dressing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dormer ranch dressing that's been there since gosh knows
Speaker 1: when I want to put some bet on myself. Do
Speaker 1: they have lettuce or they just I don't know. But
Speaker 1: I was just light fingers into the ranch dressing and
Speaker 1: linking it all the Yeah, it's food.
Speaker 4: Like I get it.
Speaker 3: If it couldn't.
Speaker 2: You couldn't use an empty container.
Speaker 4: You need something in there, like put some rocks in
Speaker 4: there or some water, like, don't use food.
Speaker 1: Maybe they just really don't like ranch dressing. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take this thing out. I'm gonna shoot it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: an abomination.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: I don't even like ranch dressing, but I thought, come on, guys,
Speaker 4: we only have so much food.
Speaker 3: We already used a lot of it. Curl yeah, party, yes, So.
Speaker 1: See, they shouldn't have buried the They shouldn't have buried
Speaker 1: the evil other spies so quickly. They could just have,
Speaker 1: you know, put them up on, prop them up against
Speaker 1: a wall somewhere and use them. Never mind. But I
Speaker 1: was amused when Locke says, Michael says, how did you
Speaker 1: learn how to shoot? And Locke says, my dad used
Speaker 1: to take me right? No he did not, liar, well,
Speaker 1: he did. You maybe wanted maybe you went to learn
Speaker 1: to shoot because you wanted to shoot your dad dad.
Speaker 1: I would But they did go. Did they go when
Speaker 1: he was an adult? They went hunting?
Speaker 4: Yeah, when he did, back when he had hair and
Speaker 4: he was getting to know his dad, when his dad
Speaker 4: was insinuating him.
Speaker 1: Well hunting, I think they did. Okay, I missed that
Speaker 1: that could be. That could be I was just imagining
Speaker 1: a little boy lock. But no, it was definitely yeah,
Speaker 1: this could be. Okay. All right, Well, then my dad,
Speaker 1: I thought that was I was accusing him of dishonesty.
Speaker 3: Well, there are lots of things.
Speaker 1: Just didn't mention my dad when I was grown up
Speaker 1: before where he took my.
Speaker 3: Kid, before he took my kids.
Speaker 1: Why would he teach Locke how to shoot? That seems
Speaker 1: that seems unwise given what his.
Speaker 4: Plans were, right, Yeah, he maybe didn't think that author
Speaker 4: would never do anything about it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Someone, I can't think who it was who said it,
Speaker 1: but said you don't have to be belligerent just for
Speaker 1: belligerence's sake. That seems like a mom line.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, for sure, I can picture saying it
Speaker 4: to a toddler.
Speaker 1: Right, have no idea what you were saying. But honestly,
Speaker 1: there's sometimes I feel like I probably need to say
Speaker 1: it to myself. Just just let it go. Don't need
Speaker 1: to be belligerent for belligerence's sake. But sometimes belligerent feels
Speaker 1: belligerence feels really good. Yes, absolute, Oh well, and I did.
Speaker 4: Get a little you know, it was emotional the very
Speaker 4: end when the twenty third psalm of the title was
Speaker 4: actually being recited.
Speaker 3: Locke was, I mean lock.
Speaker 4: Echo was saying it over his brother, and Charlie did
Speaker 4: join in. Charlie, who has you know established that he
Speaker 4: was an altar.
Speaker 1: Boy, so right, right, And of course there's also his
Speaker 1: deep devotion, right, but that wouldn't be so much with it.
Speaker 1: And I also that scene where Michael is trying to
Speaker 1: talk to Walt on the computer and Jack comes in
Speaker 1: and he's being so nice. Oh, we're going to try
Speaker 1: to find Walt. All Michael wants to do is go
Speaker 1: back to typing, right.
Speaker 3: He's like uh huh uh huh yep.
Speaker 1: And he can't be like, get the bleep out of here.
Speaker 1: He just has to be like, oh, yeah, have a chat.
Speaker 1: That sounds like me in my work day pretty much
Speaker 1: every day, like I need to be doing this stuff,
Speaker 1: or I have this social media thing I want to
Speaker 1: look at, but I can't let anybody see I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: And here comes one of my kids and I got
Speaker 1: to talk to them because you got to talk to them,
Speaker 1: because it's partly the most important people in my life. Hi, honey,
Speaker 1: let me just turn Twitter a little to the side.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how much I love you, and I
Speaker 1: just have this work to do. Yeah. I felt for
Speaker 1: Michael in that moment because can't what else can you do?
Speaker 1: You can't say go away, I have to sit here
Speaker 1: and wait for beep. Yes, but also it was like,
Speaker 1: so do very much want them to go.
Speaker 4: It was definitely the like hide from your parents what
Speaker 4: you're doing on the screen as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And that's what I feel like,
Speaker 1: that nice conversation. Yeah. And there are also certainly times,
Speaker 1: I imagine as parents many of us have felt like
Speaker 1: mister Echo, staring at the freaking smoke monster, this horrifying, scary,
Speaker 1: frightening thing, and just holding your ground and just looking
Speaker 1: at it. I'm just gonna look at it.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna use the power of stinkye to stand here.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, even against all the fear and terror and horror,
Speaker 1: and every part of your body wants to run away,
Speaker 1: but you're just gonna stand there and face it off.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it goes away. Sometimes it devours you hole,
Speaker 1: Sometimes it drags you to a hole in the ground.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it throws you off in a tree.
Speaker 1: That's right, you know, all sorts of possibilities, but you
Speaker 1: gotta stand your ground against oh gosh, sometimes raising kids
Speaker 1: feels exactly like that, that you have all the horrible
Speaker 1: Every time you open the paper, every time you turn
Speaker 1: on the computer, you see all the horrible things that
Speaker 1: can happen. You know, every time you have a meeting
Speaker 1: at school, you think of all the terrible things that
Speaker 1: can happen, and yet you have to just stand there
Speaker 1: and look at it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's apparently going to flash the little pictures if you right,
Speaker 1: if you have the eyesight to see them, and you're
Speaker 1: still just gonna say, welp, you know what I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna face you don't scare me, And even
Speaker 1: if you do scare me, I'm just gonna stand here.
Speaker 1: So you know, some days you feel like it runs away,
Speaker 1: and some days you feel like you're up in or
Speaker 1: in a hole, or you know, thrown out to see.
Speaker 1: But still when it goes away, it feels really right.
Speaker 3: It was quite impressive by a mister ico.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was quite impressive.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: He must have felt pretty good about himself at this
Speaker 1: is This is what a badass I am. Even the
Speaker 1: monster rights away, Maybe he doesn't feel so good about that,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Interesting interesting character, almost two stars
Speaker 1: one spot with Locke. But but uh, because Locke would
Speaker 1: also just stand there, right, because Lock would, didn't he
Speaker 1: one time look into the face of the island. Was
Speaker 1: it the smoke monster that he looked at? Maybe he
Speaker 1: said he looked at something and he said it was
Speaker 1: I was looking into the eye of the island or
Speaker 1: something like that, and it was beautiful.
Speaker 4: Well, and he's just basically like, if it's going to
Speaker 4: get me, then it's my fate for it to get me.
Speaker 3: And if it's not, exactly it's not.
Speaker 1: These guys they should they should get together for a
Speaker 1: Does Jack have any more of those little bottles? They
Speaker 1: should get to get it together for a cocktail and
Speaker 1: compare notes.
Speaker 4: I get the feeling that very goes not a drinker,
Speaker 4: but who knows?
Speaker 1: Probably not. They got some party supplies in that plane.
Speaker 1: Still apparently hasn't taken.
Speaker 3: The ball boy.
Speaker 1: Well, on we go. What smoke monster are we staring down?
Speaker 1: Next week? Is it about Kate and are bad parenting? No,
Speaker 1: let's see next Tuesday. We will continue with season two,
Speaker 1: Episode eleven, have lost called the Hunting Party? Oh, for
Speaker 1: goodness sake, people just stay on the beach where it's safe.
Speaker 1: Do you have to keep going into the jungle. What's
Speaker 1: the matter with you? You just got back together, we
Speaker 1: have established just still some food left in the hat,
Speaker 1: just just hang a man. Oh well, hey, somebody's going hunting.
Speaker 1: It sounds like what they're hunting for. I do not know,
Speaker 1: but we will find out, and we will see you
Speaker 1: back here tomorrow to discuss a Man on the Inside,
Speaker 1: where somebody is also supposedly hunting for things, but this week.
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