Speaker 1: And we continue on Jonas Knox in today for Rodney
Speaker 1: five seventy LA Sports the NBA poll by coaches and scouts.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have that coming up later on in the
Speaker 1: hour and get back into the Dodgers and the return
Speaker 1: of Evan Phillips. We'll talk about that, all right. Jonas
Speaker 1: looks like Ceedee Lamb is locked up, locked loaded, ready
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too bad. I mean, listen, the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 2: do a hell of a job trying to get us
Speaker 2: through the slow months. Dak Prescott's contract got us through COVID.
Speaker 2: I mean it was either that or those those drug
Speaker 2: addicts on Tiger King, Like that's all we had to
Speaker 2: go with during COVID. So I just want to thank
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones. I want to thank the organization for taking
Speaker 2: as long as possible to try and get these deals
Speaker 2: done in Dallas. It helps all of us because I
Speaker 2: got to be honest with you, like you know, the
Speaker 2: WNBA conversation like that was fun for a little bit.
Speaker 2: I just didn't really do a lot for me. But
Speaker 2: if we can argue back in and fourth about whether
Speaker 2: or not a guy should be paid when we all
Speaker 2: know deep down the deal's going to get done before
Speaker 2: the season, and we're going to look back and go, oh,
Speaker 2: that was kind of a waste of time. At least
Speaker 2: it got us through and gave us something to talk
Speaker 2: about for all these months. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I've had it fascinating early on in the process when
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones was asked, I don't. I don't. No real
Speaker 1: urgency here on my part, no rush to get this done.
Speaker 1: But of course on my part.
Speaker 2: He by the way, I love too the how Jerry
Speaker 2: Jones like comes out. He's talking so basically, Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 2: a lame duck coach, Dak Prescott's a lame duck quarterback
Speaker 2: as far as final year of their contract. They can't
Speaker 2: franchise tag Dak Prescott. Mike McCarthy's entering the final year
Speaker 2: of his deal. And Jerry Jones is like, yeah, as
Speaker 2: far as like McCarthy goes, I mean, you know, I
Speaker 2: think it does. I think it is a good thing,
Speaker 2: you know, to have a little bit of angst going
Speaker 2: into your final year and all that stuff. And Michael
Speaker 2: McCarthy was talking about and he's like, I don't know
Speaker 2: when the hell it became easy to when you know,
Speaker 2: we're talking about playoffs, Like when did it become easy
Speaker 2: to win twelve games year? Like he's won twelve games
Speaker 2: the last three years in a row. Like he's been
Speaker 2: fantastic as a Cowboys coach. Any other organization he would
Speaker 2: have already gotten an extension by now. And Jerry Jones
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, whatever, we will let him wait a
Speaker 2: little bit, you know, like, ye, screw it, We just
Speaker 2: will let him wait.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 2: We'll he's got to prove another year to us. Say, okay,
Speaker 2: if they win twelve games again and they win a
Speaker 2: game in a postseason and then losing the next round,
Speaker 2: are you really gonna move on from him? Like you're
Speaker 2: gonna bring in Belichick? You think Belichick wants to deal
Speaker 2: with Jerry Jones and his medaling. Like the it's very strange,
Speaker 2: but it works for them. As we pointed out, listen,
Speaker 2: ten billion dollar valuation, the Cowboys are.
Speaker 1: So well, what they've done is, you know, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are kind of like the NBA. You you follow what
Speaker 1: happens in the soap opera as much as you follow
Speaker 1: what happens on the field. And Jerry Jones has done that.
Speaker 1: He's done a masterful job of that, you know what.
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't think it's bad for him
Speaker 1: to go into five little year of his deal, you know,
Speaker 1: and give him a little ankst maybe give him a
Speaker 1: little little pepping his step, give him a little kick
Speaker 1: in the butt. Does he mean so if he's so,
Speaker 1: if this is not the final year of his deal,
Speaker 1: he's going to try to lose, right, if this is
Speaker 1: not the final year of his deal, that he'll phone
Speaker 1: it in.
Speaker 2: It's like, Jerry, you can fire him at any time,
Speaker 2: you know, like if he's like, if he's got two
Speaker 2: years left and the team rolls out a bag of vomit,
Speaker 2: you know, for seventeen weeks in a row, like you
Speaker 2: can move on from him, Like that is possible. I mean,
Speaker 2: just do it. David Tepper did in Carolina. I mean,
Speaker 2: for God's sake, you could just do it, you know,
Speaker 2: your buddies, that the Chargers did when they got rid
Speaker 2: of Marty Schottenheimer after he went fourteen and two. So
Speaker 2: there's that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just not a good fit, just not a good
Speaker 1: foot anymore now. Yeah he went fourteen and two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was that. The reasoning, by the way, was
Speaker 2: that the reasoning that was it the fit.
Speaker 1: We just didn't get along with the GM. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: there's some issues there, so I'll just go in a
Speaker 1: different direction and then we'll fall apart because that's the
Speaker 1: way we should do it. I am always mystified by
Speaker 1: those choices and those decisions you just miss Schuster. Of course.
Speaker 1: Now back with the Chiefs, and it's remarkable what they've done,
Speaker 1: you know, losing receivers as they did, but they have
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and it just makes everybody better. So I
Speaker 1: guess how important is it to have that all star
Speaker 1: stud receiver if you're with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's what the thinking is with the Chargers?
Speaker 2: Do you think they're like, well, listen, we you know,
Speaker 2: and we know we love Keenan Allen. He's got a
Speaker 2: year left on his deal, like you know, we like
Speaker 2: Mike Williams. Yeah, he's got the injury issues. But you know,
Speaker 2: as long as we've got Justin Herbert, we can figure
Speaker 2: it out. Because it's like, all right, like those are
Speaker 2: like Keithan Allen's like a really really good player, Like
Speaker 2: he's like he's been really good in Bears camp for Chicago.
Speaker 2: Like that's and they just decided they're going to move on.
Speaker 2: They've got Justin Herbert and we'll figure it out from there.
Speaker 1: They needed depth, they needed money, They needed more depth
Speaker 1: on the roster. That's why they let him go. I
Speaker 1: think they asked Keenan Allen, you know when you restructure
Speaker 1: and he goes, I'm not restructure, get anything, thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. No, and Mike Williams would have been
Speaker 1: paid a lot. No, all right, So they had to
Speaker 1: spread that money around. They had roster holes to fill.
Speaker 1: But keep this in mind, Justin Herbert is not Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is very good, He's not Patrick Mahomes. So
Speaker 1: you would think he would need more help with his receivers,
Speaker 1: and Mahomes would need more help. Do we really think
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is as good as Patrick Mahomes. I don't.
Speaker 1: And I love Justin Herbert. No, but Mahomes is his
Speaker 1: own guy. He's in his own world.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have well. I also think that this will
Speaker 2: be the real year like this will like this year
Speaker 2: will be interesting for Justin Herbert because Jim Harbaugh's style
Speaker 2: of play and the offense he's going to want to
Speaker 2: run may not reflect the best offensive output for Justin
Speaker 2: Herbert in years past, but they could end up being
Speaker 2: a better team just based on who Jim Harby is
Speaker 2: as a coach. And it's almost as if Justin Herbert
Speaker 2: has been he's been kind of shadowed and covered up
Speaker 2: by how everybody felt about Brandon Staley, because when Justin
Speaker 2: Herbert had a bad game or he played poorly, it
Speaker 2: was like that really was a brief conversation and it
Speaker 2: was let's get back to Brandon Staley's decision on fourth
Speaker 2: down on the third quarter. Like it was like people
Speaker 2: had already made up their minds about Brandon Staley and
Speaker 2: how it was going to go with this team, and
Speaker 2: especially after the playoff loss, nobody was gonna forgive him.
Speaker 2: Like that wasn't on Justin Herbert. They're not going to
Speaker 2: talk about, you know, the inability to get things done
Speaker 2: in the second half. They're only going to focus on
Speaker 2: the fact that Brandon Staley was the coach. He coughed
Speaker 2: up a big time lead at halftime and it was
Speaker 2: really before half the things started to slip away, and
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert didn't really get a lot of the heat. Well,
Speaker 2: now we know harbacking coach like he's proven it everywhere
Speaker 2: he's gone. Now, I think maybe we'll start to have
Speaker 2: the discussion more about all right, so where is Justin
Speaker 2: Herbert at this point in his career? Because I'm with you,
Speaker 2: I don't think he's Patrick Mahomes, but I do think
Speaker 2: you can win a ton of games with him. And
Speaker 2: I think that if you're a team out there in
Speaker 2: the NFL, like there's probably twenty to twenty five teams
Speaker 2: that are like, we would love to have Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2: And I'm just curious to see how that dynamic works
Speaker 2: with Jim Harbaugh, who listen, if you believe him recently,
Speaker 2: if you want to be stuck in an elevator with anybody,
Speaker 2: it's Justin Herbert, of course Jim Marva. So there is that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I think it'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: see how that plays out this year. But the thing
Speaker 1: about the Chargers, so might we look at Justin Herbert differently?
Speaker 1: If Brandon Staley had not nay palmed his own team
Speaker 1: when he was the coach, what do we view him
Speaker 1: differently because Herbert would have won more games? I mean,
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley, the Wones were self inflicted.
Speaker 2: Yes, if you think.
Speaker 1: About how good they could have been, and you know,
Speaker 1: those games oftentimes come down to a decision or two.
Speaker 1: He would make the wrong decision. He would put his
Speaker 1: own team in harm's way. Now, people then applauded him
Speaker 1: and said, well, you know something, we like a guy
Speaker 1: that believes in us, and were like a guy that's
Speaker 1: gonna go for it.
Speaker 2: He's got conviction, you know, like he's got his convictions.
Speaker 2: He believes in what he believes in. He's going for it.
Speaker 2: Like did he ever one time after a poor decision
Speaker 2: come out afterwards and say, God, I wish I would
Speaker 2: have had that one back, because I swear to God,
Speaker 2: I don't recall it.
Speaker 1: Ever, No, he explained why he did it, and I
Speaker 1: thought there would be a point in time where Tom
Speaker 1: Tolesco or even Dean Spannels or John Spanos would have
Speaker 1: called to him in and said, Okay, we like it,
Speaker 1: we love how aggressive you are, but let's revisit this
Speaker 1: a little bit. Let's, you know, take the foot off
Speaker 1: the gas a little bit in some of these situations
Speaker 1: because we're hurting ourselves. We're hurting ourselves. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: who else hurt themselves. Dan Campbell last year with the Lions.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the other one too, where everyone just assumes
Speaker 2: that Detroit's going to be back. They just assumed. Listen,
Speaker 2: and look, I love the roster Jared Goff and the
Speaker 2: way things have worked out with him there Am and
Speaker 2: Ross Saint Brown, like there's a lot to like about
Speaker 2: it and a lot of Southern California ties, and the
Speaker 2: Rams are opening up at Detroit Sunday Night football to
Speaker 2: start off the year. Like, there's a lot to like
Speaker 2: about the Detroit Lions. But good christ, did Dan Campbell
Speaker 2: cough up that game in the NFC Title Game and listen, Like,
Speaker 2: It's not as if the Lions played well all the
Speaker 2: way down the stretch, but there were decisions by Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell that you're like, but I'll give him credit at
Speaker 2: least afterwards he goes, yeah, listen, you know, probably could
Speaker 2: have redone that one here was my thinking, but probably
Speaker 2: could have done this differently. Could probably could have done that.
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley had none of that, And I think that's
Speaker 2: what turned off a lot of Chargers fans, Like there
Speaker 2: was no accountability, There was no you know, upon further review,
Speaker 2: maybe I could have done this a little bit differently.
Speaker 2: It was just like, no, this is how I do it.
Speaker 2: That's why I did it, to your point, and we
Speaker 2: live with the results. So he didn't have to live
Speaker 2: with the results, Like you didn't have to go for
Speaker 2: the win the season before, you could have made the playoffs,
Speaker 2: like you didn't have to do like all of these decisions,
Speaker 2: like you didn't have to do it. But he did those.
Speaker 2: So we know there's gonna be significant upgrade for the
Speaker 2: Chargers at coach. Like, I'm just wondering how that impacts
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert, Like I think he's gonna be fine. Think
Speaker 2: he's gonna be still really really good player. It's just
Speaker 2: that style of offense may look a little bit different
Speaker 2: and the numbers may not be as sharp as they looked,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe previously without Jim Harbough there.
Speaker 1: Fair but all they asked him to do as the
Speaker 1: quarterback is make the plays when you need to make them,
Speaker 1: no matter what offense they run. I think Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: is very capable of that. I think, you know, healthy
Speaker 1: he can make the plays.
Speaker 2: Also, people forget when Harbaugh got to the Niners, because
Speaker 2: if you're looking for the most recent example, if you're
Speaker 2: a Charger fan, you're like yeah. Well, listen, he did
Speaker 2: it in college. But we've seen coaches do it in
Speaker 2: college before and not be able to do it at
Speaker 2: the NFL level. Okay, well, we do have an example
Speaker 2: of the NFL and it was a four year run
Speaker 2: when he was with the Niners. And one of the
Speaker 2: things that, yeah, everyone talks about the success he had
Speaker 2: and the energy he brought the organization and you know
Speaker 2: who did it better than who likes it better than
Speaker 2: us or whatever the slogan is, nobody all. That's one
Speaker 2: of the things he did do was fix Alex Smith's career.
Speaker 2: Like Alex Smith was thought to be a quote unit
Speaker 2: even though I hate the word quote unquote bust number
Speaker 2: one pick. They chose him over Aaron Rodgers, so on
Speaker 2: and so forth. They blew through coach and coordinator. I
Speaker 2: think he went through like seven coordinators his first few
Speaker 2: years with the Niners. Jim Harbaugh went in there and
Speaker 2: they figured out a way to take what Alex Smith
Speaker 2: did well apply that to the NFL. And before they
Speaker 2: turned the keys over to Colin Kaepernick, the Niners were
Speaker 2: in an NFL title game. They went to overtime with
Speaker 2: the Giants in an NFC title game, and that ended
Speaker 2: up being the second Giants Patriots Super Bowl that the
Speaker 2: Giants beat New England at that was that Hail Mary
Speaker 2: at the end that Gronk almost caught. The Niners were
Speaker 2: an overtime game away, and I believe it was at
Speaker 2: home like it was in San Francisco from going to
Speaker 2: a super Bowl. So yeah, Harbuck can do it at
Speaker 2: this level, and he can do it with a quarterback
Speaker 2: that maybe doesn't have as much talent as justin Herbert,
Speaker 2: because he finds what the guy does well, he builds
Speaker 2: around it, plays to his strengths, and then lets him
Speaker 2: run and lets him off and let him go figure
Speaker 2: out and go do what they do, and then figures
Speaker 2: out a way to build success around him. So I
Speaker 2: think it's going to work. That dynamic, though, is going
Speaker 2: to be fun to watch.
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Speaker 1: Jonas Knox in today for Rodney, Dodgers and Orioles. Tonight
Speaker 1: you'll hear the game right here, Big seven games coming up,
Speaker 1: Jonas Big seven games. You talk about a playoff feel
Speaker 1: a playoff atmosphere. You've got three against Baltimore, You've got
Speaker 1: four against Arizona. It'll be fascinating to see where the
Speaker 1: Dodgers end up after all this.
Speaker 2: I love it, man, It's fun. This is fun. Like
Speaker 2: who wants to run away with a division with a
Speaker 2: fifteen game lead and thirty games left? Like, who wants that?
Speaker 2: It's not fun for anybody. Let's get well, the nerves
Speaker 2: roll in a little bit. You don't.
Speaker 1: No, that's not exactly right. It is fun if you
Speaker 1: do that. The problem is if you've done that and
Speaker 1: then you get to where it really counts and you
Speaker 1: get smacked in the mouth right at the beginning, it's
Speaker 1: no good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do think there is something too. You
Speaker 2: go from kind of chilling, relaxing, feed up, kicking back,
Speaker 2: having a modello maybe Mitchellatta if it's a Monday, just
Speaker 2: kind of watching the end of the regular season, you know,
Speaker 2: hanging out, having a Dodger dog, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, the playoff starts and it's like, oh god,
Speaker 2: the record previous doesn't matter. It's oh no, and we
Speaker 2: got to figure it out, like there's there's such a
Speaker 2: significant drop off at least we've seen also and this
Speaker 2: season't just applying to the Dodgers. You've seen teams in
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball, and it seems like it happens more
Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball than it does elsewhere, where a
Speaker 2: team will come out of nowhere, go on a heater
Speaker 2: at the end of the regular season and they just
Speaker 2: carry that momentum through the postseason and like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and so like whether it's the Braves, whether it was
Speaker 2: Arizona last year, whether like you just go through Major
Speaker 2: League Baseball, there's always a team that surprises people when
Speaker 2: they get into the postseason. They sneak in, they're a
Speaker 2: wild card team, they get on that run and then
Speaker 2: it just continues on. So if you're the Dodgers, just
Speaker 2: keep playing hard nosed baseball games that matter, games at count,
Speaker 2: get into the postseason and go from there. I've been consistent.
Speaker 2: I've said the whole time they're gonna win a World
Speaker 2: World Series, it's over. What do you mean this year
Speaker 2: or this yet this year? Like they're winning the World
Speaker 2: Series this year. I've said that when they were in
Speaker 2: a slump, it was myself and Vic the Brick who
Speaker 2: were standing there and getting ready to get in the
Speaker 2: car and drive off the cliff like Thelma Luiz holding
Speaker 2: hands and ready to celebrate a Dodgers World Series. And
Speaker 2: everybody around us is like, no, no, no, they got problems,
Speaker 2: the bullpen, the injuries. Dave Roberts, he hasn't shown the ability. No no, no,
Speaker 2: they're winning the World Series. It's going to happen, and
Speaker 2: it's happening this year. And if you're Major League Baseball,
Speaker 2: you just hope that if that's the case, it's against
Speaker 2: the Yankees, cause if we can get Otani and Aaron
Speaker 2: Judge in the World Series, Come on, Fred, who's not
Speaker 2: into that? With the seasons those two have had thus
Speaker 2: far in Major League Baseball? Who would not be into
Speaker 2: Aaron Judge versus show, Hey Otani in a World Series?
Speaker 2: You imagine that right now?
Speaker 1: Who do you want? More? Otani or Aaron Judge.
Speaker 2: Otani? Yeah, Like, just like, I hope people understand, And
Speaker 2: this isn't like being a home or anything. I just
Speaker 2: hope people understand how preposterous this statement is. Show, Heyotani
Speaker 2: just became the fastest player ever to reach the forty
Speaker 2: forty club and then the next day threw off the
Speaker 2: mound for the first time since Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, is anybody like actually taking a step back
Speaker 2: and said that statement out loud? Show Heyotani just went
Speaker 2: forty forty faster than anybody in the history of the game.
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, he just threw off the
Speaker 2: mound for the first time as well too, since Tommy
Speaker 2: John surgery. Wait, what, like, we're like, we're talking not
Speaker 2: just rarefied air, but stuff we've never seen before. And
Speaker 2: he's doing it in real time in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: And it's here with the Dodgers in his mind, blowing
Speaker 2: what this guy's doing. And it's almost like, yeah, we
Speaker 2: we recognize how crazy that is, but we don't. And
Speaker 2: and I see that statement, I go like, we're never
Speaker 2: gonna see this ever again. Fred Ever, Well.
Speaker 1: I said, if he's already thrown off the mounta, let's
Speaker 1: tell him start a game in the playoffs. Rodney thought
Speaker 1: that was not a good idea. I said, well, if
Speaker 1: he's that good, let's get him out there.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, why don't we at least
Speaker 2: get the spring training and like work through some of
Speaker 2: this stuff, you know, Like I mean like, well, like
Speaker 2: what do you want, like do you want to get?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, well it's worth it if we can get
Speaker 2: a World Series this year. Let his arm fall off.
Speaker 2: It's like okay, well let's let's let's work them all
Speaker 2: the way back. But is that like have you ever
Speaker 2: seen anything like this, like like a player this talented
Speaker 2: And I'm talking like because we've seen talented like bo
Speaker 2: Jackson was a freak like Rebeal that don't remember Bo
Speaker 2: Jackson like that was but it was such a short
Speaker 2: period of time that it was a lightning. It was
Speaker 2: light it was a comet or it was whatever. A comet,
Speaker 2: not a star whatever I'm trying to say, but it
Speaker 2: was lightning in a bottle and you had to see
Speaker 2: it with Bo Jackson. And then Dion Sanders went and
Speaker 2: was actually really good in the postseason playing Major League
Speaker 2: Baseball and then would go and do the NFL stuff
Speaker 2: and all that and all that was awesome to watch,
Speaker 2: but we've never seen this where he's doing what he's doing.
Speaker 2: He's lived up to everything that they thought he was
Speaker 2: going to be. There's been no concern even though there
Speaker 2: was some concern what's his average with runners in scoring position,
Speaker 2: all that crap that was going on early in the season.
Speaker 2: All and on top of that, he's also a really
Speaker 2: good pitcher and he just threw off the mound. It's
Speaker 2: wild man, and it's here.
Speaker 1: And that's why between the two, because Aaron Judge and
Speaker 1: O'tani are the stories in baseball. Yes, and Aaron. Look,
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge, the way he's hitting every night, you get
Speaker 1: those alerts and you're thinking, oh my god, I'd take
Speaker 1: Otani in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would do it.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't need to be a question. Oltani can do
Speaker 1: so much more than Judge. Judge can hit home runs,
Speaker 1: Oltani can run, hit and pitch. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any denying then if you could have one, you would
Speaker 1: take Otani.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay. I totally agree. And he's younger. He's
Speaker 2: a couple of years younger as well too. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: what Aaron Judge is doing is great, and if you're
Speaker 2: you know, it's why when there was the conversation about, well,
Speaker 2: you know, is he gonna go to the Giants, Bay
Speaker 2: Area connections all that stuff, It's like, no, he was
Speaker 2: him with the Yankees is perfect. And if those two
Speaker 2: could meet up in a World Series. Could you imagine
Speaker 2: the prices for tickets to get into that at Dodger
Speaker 2: Stadium Yankees Dodgers in the World Series.
Speaker 1: But the only way it's better is if Otani is pitching,
Speaker 1: because then O'tani is facing Judge.
Speaker 2: All right, now, we're getting greedy, right now, that's worth
Speaker 2: the price? Okay, fair enough, I mean fair enough. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe make him the closer. Like if you got probably
Speaker 2: if you got concerns about Evan Phillips and you know,
Speaker 2: and they're not they don't want to throw Kopek out there,
Speaker 2: Maybe make them the closer. You know, let him throw,
Speaker 2: let them throw a hundred a few times and get
Speaker 2: some people out.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if down the road that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Just let him be the closer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like why wouldn't it be Like why if his
Speaker 2: if the struggle for him is the number of pitches
Speaker 2: he's throwing in a game. I mean that, by the way,
Speaker 2: that would be so much fun. Like Otani brought in
Speaker 2: is the closer, like just like everything sort of like
Speaker 2: the possibilities are endless and That's why I don't think
Speaker 2: when he got the money he got and he got
Speaker 2: the contract he got, like people in the know were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of money, but like it's Otani like
Speaker 2: and I just wonder as he accomplishes all these goals
Speaker 2: and does what he does, I wonder what, Like Ardie Moreno,
Speaker 2: and like, you know, the Angel's front office is thinking
Speaker 2: of themselves, you know, as they're sitting there, going all right,
Speaker 2: when's the next Monster Jam event? We need to sell
Speaker 2: out in a hurry, Like what are we what are
Speaker 2: we looking at here? Like I wonder what their thought
Speaker 2: process is, like, well.
Speaker 1: Their thought process to be he did this for us.
Speaker 1: He did this very thing for the Angels. Now granted
Speaker 1: some thought he was in the witness protection program down there,
Speaker 1: but he did it for the Angels and when they
Speaker 1: didn't match the offer. I'm not going to go off
Speaker 1: on that again. That that is one of the most
Speaker 1: confounding things I think I've ever seen a professional sports.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't trade them so they could start to rebuild
Speaker 1: their team, so they could reconstruct. They didn't do that.
Speaker 1: They refused because they were going to sign them. They
Speaker 1: go out, they acquired people to trade deadline, they give
Speaker 1: up some young players because they want to show him
Speaker 1: they're all in. Okay, they fall apart. They've given up
Speaker 1: the young players. Then they either wave or trade the
Speaker 1: players they just acquired, so they come up with nothing.
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy, You've had it too. It was
Speaker 2: like right after the trade deadline they fell apart, right right?
Speaker 1: It was so then so then you go through the
Speaker 1: whole process, the whole thing. Everything was predicated on keeping Otani. Everything,
Speaker 1: and now the moment of truth, the phone call is made,
Speaker 1: the number seven hundred million. Keep in mind you didn't
Speaker 1: trade them, but you did trade people. Then you ended
Speaker 1: up trading them. Use weakened your farm system, all in
Speaker 1: an effort to show Otani you meant business. Here it
Speaker 1: is the big moment, This is the number. What do
Speaker 1: you say, Oh, we're out, you're out. You can't be out.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we're out, you can't be out there?
Speaker 2: Do you think? Okay? I have two questions for you
Speaker 2: that you would know. Do you believe that they thought
Speaker 2: at the trade deadline last year and they be meaning
Speaker 2: the Angels, that they realistically thought they were going to
Speaker 2: be able to keep Otani?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, all things being equal, the Angels say, well, match
Speaker 2: to seven hundred million. Does Otani go back to the Angels?
Speaker 2: Because I think you you know what, I don't think
Speaker 2: you would.
Speaker 1: Then why would they give him the final crack?
Speaker 2: I think because he's a good guy.
Speaker 1: But they had matched. All right, we match, you gave
Speaker 1: us the final crack at it? We match?
Speaker 2: I think that then he would want to know what
Speaker 2: his options were. And I don't have no idea whether
Speaker 2: not Toronto was a real option or if that was
Speaker 2: just you know, somebody bs John Morosi, and and he was,
Speaker 2: you know, the victim of of you know, bad intel
Speaker 2: from somebody. But I just think he was always going
Speaker 2: to end up with the Dodgers. I think this was
Speaker 2: always the plan. He looked at it. He liked the situation,
Speaker 2: you know, like I mean we're talking like what is
Speaker 2: it like an hour difference hour and a half in traffic,
Speaker 2: Like it's like two different universes. Like people don't like
Speaker 2: when I talk to people like on a national level,
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, so what's like the feeling out there?
Speaker 2: This and that? It's like, dude, it's it's like night
Speaker 2: and day difference between a Dodgers game and an Angels game.
Speaker 2: It just is like the vibe, the feel around southern California,
Speaker 2: all of that stuff. When they tried to change and
Speaker 2: be a part of the LA name and all that
Speaker 2: because they didn't want to be the California Angels anymore.
Speaker 2: And I get all that, but and you know, marketing
Speaker 2: and branding, and but I think Shoeo Tani it was
Speaker 2: always he was always going to end up. If he
Speaker 2: had a chance, he was going to pick the Dodgers
Speaker 2: over the Angels. He may have come back to them
Speaker 2: and say, I want to do you guys as solid.
Speaker 2: Here's what the numbers are. Do you think you could
Speaker 2: put something together? But just know I'm still going to
Speaker 2: have to sleep on it and make a decision if
Speaker 2: you are. I think had they come to him with
Speaker 2: seven hundred million dollars and said we'll give you the
Speaker 2: exact same deal, I think he would always end up
Speaker 2: with the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: I really do. I think he would have ended up
Speaker 1: with the Dodgers as well. And maybe if they had matched,
Speaker 1: maybe the Dodgers would have gone okay seven to twenty,
Speaker 1: because at that point it's funny money anyway to them,
Speaker 1: you know, And they were deferring all of it, So
Speaker 1: whatever you want. But when the Angels didn't match or
Speaker 1: didn't say yeah, okay, that's what it is. We've gone
Speaker 1: through all of this to get to this point, and
Speaker 1: here it is. We are committed. If they don't do that,
Speaker 1: it's like, what do you do? One? What could you
Speaker 1: possibly be thinking? They just signed the GM Perrymanezi into
Speaker 1: another three year deal. I don't blame him. I'm glad
Speaker 1: he's working, he's doing the best he can. But what
Speaker 1: could they possibly have been thinking? And now when you
Speaker 1: think about the possibility in the playoffs and not this
Speaker 1: year because o'tani won't pitch, But down the road, you're
Speaker 1: in the you're in the World Series. You got the
Speaker 1: Dodgers and you got the Yankees. You got o'tony pitching
Speaker 1: against Aaron Judge. That's what it's about. It's those moments
Speaker 1: that again, if he'd stayed with the Angels, he'd never
Speaker 1: been in the World Series. So what's the difference.
Speaker 2: Geez I didn't realize how bad the Angels were this year,
Speaker 2: But I think I knew it, but I didn't really
Speaker 2: put it into perspective. Oh my god, Wow, that team stinks. Hey, sorry,
Speaker 2: Kevin Figures is not here to hear this. Thank God
Speaker 2: for that. But that team stinks good.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he confirmed, it wouldn't be. He wouldn't Maybe fine,
Speaker 1: he confirmed, and go yeah they're terrible. Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: they're terrible. And they're terrible because they've not had a direction.
Speaker 1: That's the problem, because they've been all over the place.
Speaker 1: You can't keep changing in the middle and go oh no,
Speaker 1: we'll try this. No, no, there's been no plan. They
Speaker 1: just ardie moreno does whatever.
Speaker 2: By the way, did you what did you did you
Speaker 2: say they haven't had direction?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they changed.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I swear to god I could have sworn
Speaker 2: you said erection. I swear to God that that's why
Speaker 2: I threw me off.
Speaker 1: That might be a problem too. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't listen. I'm not peeking over anybody's stall at
Speaker 2: Angel Stadium. I just want to let people know, all right.
Speaker 2: I just you know, I'm almost positive if we could
Speaker 2: play that back. I swear to God, I thought you
Speaker 2: said erection.
Speaker 1: I did not. Okay, I did not, But again, it's
Speaker 1: probably something. It's just been a bad year for the
Speaker 1: Agles and Anaheim. All Right, we will get to that
Speaker 1: NBA poll erection.
Speaker 2: I swear to God play it back.
Speaker 1: All right, it's adam if you can go look at it.
Speaker 1: And if I said erection, play it.
Speaker 3: Oh you said it and it's spectacular. We'll have it up.
Speaker 1: Jonas Knox is in today for Rodney next hour, Vickillby
Speaker 1: along with the spirituality that we crave all right time
Speaker 1: now for the annual first half NBA Off Season Survey, right,
Speaker 1: I know you look forward to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you seemed excited about it.
Speaker 1: Well, all most people are, you know, getting fired up
Speaker 1: here for the NFL and certainly you know, buckling down
Speaker 1: for the end of baseball.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: The NBA has popped in with the annual off season survey.
Speaker 1: So what are we trying to determine in the survey? Well,
Speaker 1: there are questions we need to answer. For example, h
Speaker 1: who is the NBA's player right now, and that would
Speaker 1: be Jonas in your opinion, Nikola Jokic number one? Correct? Okay,
Speaker 1: so that you have answered correctly for the NBA off
Speaker 1: season survey.
Speaker 2: I by wa, did you see him in the Olympics,
Speaker 2: Like there was a split statistic that went on when
Speaker 2: he was on the floor against Team USA. And what
Speaker 2: he wasn't like the game was tied, and what he
Speaker 2: wasn't on the floor, they were like a minus nineteen
Speaker 2: or twenty or whatever. It was like even in that stage.
Speaker 2: And by the way, thrilled to win a bronze medal,
Speaker 2: maybe more excited to win a bronze for his country
Speaker 2: than he was an NBA championship for the Nuggets. I
Speaker 2: mean makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: Yep. Look, he's a guy that look, was proud to
Speaker 1: play for his country. Yeah, the bronze, he's good. Well,
Speaker 1: after he won the NBA tail and went right back,
Speaker 1: Homeman went to his horses. Yeah, remember he goes he did,
Speaker 1: I'm good. Hey, yes, thank you, I'm out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, went straight from the parade to the Kentucky Derby
Speaker 2: just say screw it all right?
Speaker 1: Who will be the NBA's best player in five years?
Speaker 1: According to this poll? The answer would you like to guess?
Speaker 1: Or shall I give it to you?
Speaker 2: I would say probably Wemby if I had to guess.
Speaker 1: If you had to guess, you would be correct. Wemby
Speaker 1: is the man.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you watched him last year, he just
Speaker 2: got better and better and better as the season went on,
Speaker 2: and like look, we could sit here and talk about
Speaker 2: how talented he isn't all that. But Don McClain, who's
Speaker 2: as brutally honest as anybody, said, I've never seen anything
Speaker 2: like the guy like I've literally he trains these guys,
Speaker 2: he has watched them, he's helped develop them like I've
Speaker 2: never seen anything like him. And so when you get
Speaker 2: like high praise from people that are going to call
Speaker 2: it like it is, are not going to try and
Speaker 2: you know, push a narrative. I have no agendas, no
Speaker 2: dog in the fight, and they're saying, like, you don't
Speaker 2: realize how good like you watch him play, he just
Speaker 2: got better and better. The things he's able to do,
Speaker 2: he shouldn't be able to do it his size, it's crazy,
Speaker 2: all right, So.
Speaker 1: He would be the guy? Uh, Shay Gilges Alexander second? There,
Speaker 1: all right, here's something you should consider. Who will be
Speaker 1: this season's NBA MVP. Now it's somewhat close, and the
Speaker 1: person on top may surprise you.
Speaker 2: Oh and here's a hint.
Speaker 1: We've already mentioned this person's name.
Speaker 2: I would say Luca, but he was second.
Speaker 1: He was second, So who was first? The answer is
Speaker 1: shake Gilgess Alexander.
Speaker 2: Why how about that.
Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, he had seven votes, Luca had five, Anthony
Speaker 1: Edwards had two.
Speaker 2: Man, I'll tell you something. He's he's a really good player,
Speaker 2: like homegrown and okay, right, like he didn't come from anywhere?
Speaker 2: Should you go?
Speaker 1: You can see, Adam, I brought that up yesterday.
Speaker 2: I should listen. I was just asking the question. That's all.
Speaker 3: Well, to be fair, we were talking Dodgers yesterday and
Speaker 3: Fred brought this up out of left field, out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: By the way, should the.
Speaker 3: Clippers have traded for Paul George and give it up?
Speaker 1: Sga? Fred?
Speaker 3: Why'd you try to upset me like that?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I think you jumped in on something. I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: this will be an interesting question. Who better than you
Speaker 1: to answer? All right? Oh, by the way, did I
Speaker 1: did I say erection? Did you check?
Speaker 2: Did we have the sound?
Speaker 1: Because they've not had a direction, that's the problem. Because
Speaker 1: they've not had a direction, that's the problem.
Speaker 3: Like Fred, Yes, it's tough to get excited about the Angels.
Speaker 1: But because they've not had a direction, that's the problem.
Speaker 2: Fred, where was your mind at that you confused direction
Speaker 2: with erection?
Speaker 1: I just think I made the d silent.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Because they've not had a direction. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: Trust me, that d was not silent.
Speaker 1: They're terrible, and they're terrible because they've not had a direction.
Speaker 1: That's the problem.
Speaker 3: They're so bad they're impotent.
Speaker 2: Now that's rough.
Speaker 3: Fred figured out what's wrong.
Speaker 2: Like when the rains, it pours.
Speaker 1: They're terrible and they're terrible because they've not had a direction.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. All right, Uh, who will be the
Speaker 1: NBA Rookie of the Year? Jonas?
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: You're right, Zach Edy good job?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, well, actually, wow, they're going Zach Edie.
Speaker 2: Huh wait wait a second, the guy that everybody was
Speaker 2: taught well, is he gonna have a place in the
Speaker 2: NBA because he's seven to four and he doesn't shoot threes,
Speaker 2: and like he's gonna be the rookie of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I love the fact that he brought
Speaker 2: the big game, the big man game back to college basketball.
Speaker 2: I love that. And he produced, you know, Nate Smith
Speaker 2: Player of the Year back to back years. I love
Speaker 2: all that stuff. But I'm surprised that now the feeling
Speaker 2: on him has changed to worry. Now he's because remember
Speaker 2: there was some discussion that he was going to slip
Speaker 2: all the way to potentially the Lakers, right, I think
Speaker 2: that was awesome.
Speaker 1: Thereasation, Yeah, yeah, Okay, which team will win each conference?
Speaker 1: In the East? Who will win? No, Boston, correct, Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: the Knicks and seventy six Ers follow? Who will win
Speaker 1: in the West? And this is by a wide margin?
Speaker 2: Minnesota Oklahoma City? Really?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm?
Speaker 2: Okay, So now what about all right? Let me, is
Speaker 2: Denver anywhere on the list? Like, is Denver anywhere to
Speaker 2: be found on this list? No? Because, like I do
Speaker 2: think that when it comes to matchups, so when everyone's
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, styles make fights and matchups and
Speaker 2: all that stuff. I always felt, and maybe I'm crazy,
Speaker 2: I always thought either Minnesota or Denver would have been
Speaker 2: a tougher matchup for Boston in the finals. Like I
Speaker 2: always felt that, Like when Dallas got there, it just
Speaker 2: seemed like they'd kind of run out of gas. I
Speaker 2: don't know, overachieved is the right word you want to use,
Speaker 2: But it was not a good matchup for them. And
Speaker 2: the fact that Denver is nowhere to be found on
Speaker 2: the list, but they've got the best player in the
Speaker 2: league kind of interesting to me.
Speaker 1: Because it takes more than one. You might have the
Speaker 1: best player, but you need more than one.
Speaker 2: I mean, fair point. And as you so eloquently pointed out,
Speaker 2: you know, you've got to have the right direction if
Speaker 2: you want to get your team any direction.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Not had a direction, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Not had a direction, that's the problem.
Speaker 2: You're a class act, my Fred, what.
Speaker 1: They're terrible, and they're terrible because they've not had a direction.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Did you.
Speaker 3: No that bad, Fred? Creative edit?
Speaker 2: I needed, I swear to God. When you did it,
Speaker 2: I thought you were like transitioning to a blue chee
Speaker 2: read and I thought that was like your segue to
Speaker 2: like some sort of like an ed read. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't is there any like sponsor like that on
Speaker 2: the show? And then you just went on. I thought,
Speaker 2: oh no, that's like that just happens. I heard it
Speaker 2: just like that too, and just kind of like looked
Speaker 2: up and at him.
Speaker 3: Like, uh, I thought a record scratch, Like listen, listen
Speaker 3: to Fred, try to play this off too and just
Speaker 3: move along.
Speaker 1: Terrible, and they're terrible because they've not had a direction.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Because they've been all over the place.
Speaker 1: You can't keep changing in the middle and go oh no,
Speaker 1: we'll try this.
Speaker 3: No, no, Now that's a pro. That's a pro.
Speaker 1: You know who.
Speaker 2: What it takes kids, you know who wasn't a pro.
Speaker 2: Me laughing in the background because I heard him say erection.
Speaker 1: They've not had a direction, that's the problem. And Katie,
Speaker 1: what are you yelling about back there.
Speaker 3: Just saying I heard it the same thing?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, well now I'm now I'm embarrassed, Katie.
Speaker 3: We're changing safe harbor hours for Fred apparently.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't think no offense to you.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's professionalism. I think he genuinely did
Speaker 1: not hear himself say erection, not direction. They're terrible, and
Speaker 1: they're terrible because they've not had a direction. That's the problem,
Speaker 1: I mean, which is terrible for everybody. Listen. I don't
Speaker 1: want to you know, I don't want to throw salt
Speaker 1: on it. But yeah, that's problem for him. They're struggling
Speaker 1: down there, and there's a number of reasons.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't throw salt on it either. Sounds painful.
Speaker 1: What is this the benefits to weed if you're older?
Speaker 1: Because they've not had a direction. No, I can't, well,
Speaker 1: we'll have to talk about that.