Speaker 1: Have you been to the crossing points?
Speaker 2: I really resent that form of argumentation when we last
Speaker 2: there at all. Sure, I really resent it. You should
Speaker 2: at least do the courtesy of visiting it. This is
Speaker 2: not an attractive invitation. I think it's a good idea
Speaker 2: to see stuff, particularly if you spend a career talking
Speaker 2: about something. I have the right to talk about whatever
Speaker 2: the hell I want, and no one's going to stop
Speaker 2: me or try to intimidate me. And I think that
Speaker 2: if I said to somebody else the other way around,
Speaker 2: it would be equally reprehensible. I have a journalistic rule
Speaker 2: of trying never to talk about a country, even in passing,
Speaker 2: unless I've at least been there. If I said, shut up,
Speaker 2: you have no right to criticize anything that Douglas Murray says,
Speaker 2: because hang on, you're talking about crossing points and not
Speaker 2: only have you never been to a crossing point in
Speaker 2: either Egypt or in Israel, but you never even been
Speaker 2: to the region. Okay, it's not an exact comparison, but seriously,
Speaker 2: is that a reasonable form of argument. No, In that case,
Speaker 2: nobody can talk about anything. We might as well pack up,
Speaker 2: go home and isolate ourselves. If you're insisting that you're
Speaker 2: an expert of some kind, or not claiming you're an expert,
Speaker 2: but still talking about it. If you've never seen any
Speaker 2: of this going on. I mean, there are some people
Speaker 2: who've written about them. I mean there a people who
Speaker 2: written about the Holocausts who didn't experience the Holocaust and
Speaker 2: have written about it better than people who did.
Speaker 1: But that is a different matter from spending an awfully
Speaker 1: long amount of time talking about an issue in a
Speaker 1: region you haven't even had the courtesy to visit whilst
Speaker 1: developing all.
Speaker 3: Of these views about it.
Speaker 2: This idea that the lived experience has to triumph over
Speaker 2: everything else is not always correct. Should at least know
Speaker 2: what it is, what the territory is, what the situation
Speaker 2: is in the region. So there's an irony to this,
Speaker 2: but let's skate over the irony.
Speaker 4: The Dave Smith versus Douglas Murray debate is still the
Speaker 4: topic du jour nearly a week later. It's unbelievable the
Speaker 4: impact that this is having, and I think that it
Speaker 4: highlights much bigger schism within the right wing that I
Speaker 4: want to talk about today. Witnessing the rhetoric that was
Speaker 4: being spouted by all of the former it's actually it
Speaker 4: was weird. It's almost all a former left atheists that
Speaker 4: have now become, you know, these moderate conservatives, and they're
Speaker 4: all they're all pushing the same narrative that they're all
Speaker 4: very concerned about the trajectory that Joe Rogan's on. They're
Speaker 4: all very concerned about the trajectory that the right wing
Speaker 4: is going in. They're all very concerned about the guests
Speaker 4: that Joe Rogan might have on. I mean, the similarities
Speaker 4: are pretty remarkable, so much so that you start to
Speaker 4: come to the conclusion that maybe this is orchestrated. Maybe
Speaker 4: maybe it's orchestrated.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it is definitively, but my goodness, are
Speaker 4: their similarities. Sam Harris, James Lindsay, Douglas Murray, Constantine Kissen.
Speaker 4: There's many others. I could give you a whole list
Speaker 4: of about fifteen or twenty. And the tie that binds
Speaker 4: I know you'll be surprised by the shocked even is
Speaker 4: that it is those that of unyielding allegiance to Israel
Speaker 4: versus basically everyone who doesn't. I'm sure that's just a coincidence, though,
Speaker 4: I'm sure that's totally an organic factor that doesn't actually
Speaker 4: have any bearing on this conversation.
Speaker 3: By the way, shout out to the Good Morning Liberty guys.
Speaker 4: They put together that incredible compilation of Douglas Murray eviscerating
Speaker 4: Douglas Murray in a debate.
Speaker 3: About a lift experience.
Speaker 4: Oh that was so brilliant, so absolutely beautiful to watch,
Speaker 4: and I just loved seeing it because if you watched
Speaker 4: my episode from a couple days ago, that's exactly what
Speaker 4: I said, is that this is a non argument, and
Speaker 4: that this is the exact same argumentation that the critical
Speaker 4: race theorists make, and it's the lived experience argument. And
Speaker 4: Douglas Murray himself would acknowledge that that's not an argument,
Speaker 4: and guess what that was, right. Douglas Murray, in fact,
Speaker 4: in a more eloquent way, argued that, yeah, it's not
Speaker 4: an argument, and if we all abided by that, we
Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to talk about much of anything, and
Speaker 4: it'd be totally stupid. So thank you Good Morning Liberty,
Speaker 4: and thank you Douglas Murray for dismantling your shitty argumentation.
Speaker 5: I really appreciate that Joe is a genuinely good guy
Speaker 5: who wants good things for people, but he is honestly
Speaker 5: in over his head on so many topics of great consequence.
Speaker 5: Right when he brings someone on to just shoot the
Speaker 5: ship about you know, how the Holocaust is not what
Speaker 5: you think it was, right or and you know, maybe
Speaker 5: Churchill's the bad guy in World War Two. He's got
Speaker 5: Dave Smith, you know, being treated as an expert on
Speaker 5: the Israel and Palestine and the history of that conflict.
Speaker 5: Dave Dave Smith is the only reason why anyone knows
Speaker 5: what Dave Smith thinks about any of this is very
Speaker 5: likely because Joe had him on multiple times to talk
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: I apologize for playing a clip of Sam Harris. I
Speaker 4: had to do it to make a point. I realized
Speaker 4: that it's torturous. I realized that he takes a long
Speaker 4: pause in between each and every word in which he
Speaker 4: in which he inhales his own flatulence. So I apologize,
Speaker 4: but I have to make this point, and the point
Speaker 4: is obvious is that he's spouting the exact same you know,
Speaker 4: lecture lectorious. I don't even know if that's the word
Speaker 4: lecturing delivery that Douglas Murray hit Joe Rogan with for
Speaker 4: the first forty five minutes of the debate with Dave James.
Speaker 4: Lindsay is now posting things like this quote from everything
Speaker 4: I'm hearing from people who don't live on social media.
Speaker 4: The only loser of the debate was Joe Rogan. Maybe
Speaker 4: he's teflon, but I think he's being taken out and
Speaker 4: that Douglas was one of his last lifelines. Very cryptic
Speaker 4: language there. I'm not sure what message James is trying
Speaker 4: to convey there. Honestly, I feel like James has kind
Speaker 4: of lost his mind over the past year, So take
Speaker 4: that part with a grain of salt. But I did
Speaker 4: think that it's an interesting tie in because all of
Speaker 4: these guys are longtime guests. Andre Rogan, I think James
Speaker 4: has been on three or four times, Douglas has been
Speaker 4: on like seven times. Same with Sam Harris. I did
Speaker 4: the math earlier today. They've been on a cumulative seventeen
Speaker 4: guest appearances. And Constantin Kissen is kind of in their
Speaker 4: camp too. He's been on multiple times over the past year,
Speaker 4: so he's kind of like the new breed of the
Speaker 4: same kind of ilk of anti woke warriors that also
Speaker 4: want censorship when it comes to one nation that happens
Speaker 4: to not be America. So interesting correlation between all these guys.
Speaker 4: And I just really thought that James Lindsay's take there
Speaker 4: was interesting because he said he's being taken out. You know,
Speaker 4: being taken out implies intentionality. Now, I, like I said,
Speaker 4: James may just be totally schizo and have completely lost
Speaker 4: his shit at this point. I don't know, or maybe
Speaker 4: he's read in. Maybe he knows these guys and he
Speaker 4: actually understands what's happening. Maybe it's possible. I'm not sure,
Speaker 4: but I do think that the similarities in the messaging
Speaker 4: across the board are not coincidental. At least, they all
Speaker 4: approach this matter with the same mental framework, even if
Speaker 4: they're not working in tandem with one another to create,
Speaker 4: create and craft a unified oppositional narrative to Rogan and
Speaker 4: to the Dave Smiths of the world, and to the
Speaker 4: Daryl Coopers of the world. I'm not sure, but it
Speaker 4: is it's odd that they're all saying essentially the exact
Speaker 4: same thing that you need to have on experts who
Speaker 4: are the experts, Well, wouldn't you know it, it's us.
Speaker 4: You got to have on more people like us dissident
Speaker 4: former lefties that became anti woke people that then became
Speaker 4: moderate conservatives that are right or die for Israel. You
Speaker 4: got to have those people on. You got to stop
Speaker 4: having on people like Dave Smith. For the love of God,
Speaker 4: don't have this Jewish guy on. Have these guys on
Speaker 4: who aren't Jewish that will defend Israel better than the
Speaker 4: Jewish guy. I mean, that's really the argument they're making,
Speaker 4: which is fucking crazy, and it I think it creates
Speaker 4: the same cognitive dissonance that much of the critical theory did.
Speaker 4: That it just kind of drove you nuts that you
Speaker 4: had all of these people that were just harping on
Speaker 4: race relations and racism and how evil it was while
Speaker 4: simultaneously pushing some of the most racist ideas I've ever
Speaker 4: experienced in modern times, where they were genuinely like seeking
Speaker 4: to subjugate white people because of past oppression. And it
Speaker 4: seems very similar that these former anti woke people, the
Speaker 4: guys that, like in my opinion, courageously stood up against
Speaker 4: censorious garbage and racism against white people on college campuses.
Speaker 4: Jordan Peterson's another.
Speaker 3: One of them.
Speaker 4: They all did it kind of in the same twenty
Speaker 4: sixteen through twenty eighteen, twenty twenty window and now they've
Speaker 4: all lost their shit, and it all basically came crashing
Speaker 4: down right after October seventh, and I just I just
Speaker 4: don't think it's coincidental the overarching schism that I've identified
Speaker 4: as a consequence of this, and I'm sure many of
Speaker 4: you have too. I'm not saying this is some unique idea,
Speaker 4: but this was the the analysis that I've had over
Speaker 4: the past week and a little bit longer than that, really,
Speaker 4: but it's just become very obvious as of late. Is
Speaker 4: that really what this is is a divide between those
Speaker 4: that said America First and meant it sincerely and those
Speaker 4: that meant it as a marketing pitch, slogan earring, but
Speaker 4: they actually intended to continue the new conservatism that has
Speaker 4: left our country on the brink of bankruptcy and millions
Speaker 4: dead in the Middle East, and countless soldiers, American soldiers
Speaker 4: that have taken their own lives for those that weren't
Speaker 4: lost in combat.
Speaker 3: I mean, it has been catastrophic.
Speaker 4: And I think that the truth is is that you
Speaker 4: can't win an argument against Dave Smith's of the world
Speaker 4: on this topic because it has been catastrophic, and anyone,
Speaker 4: basically anyone has come to the conclusion that, yes, we
Speaker 4: were led astray, that the George W. Bush administration, the
Speaker 4: Dick Cheneys of the world, the Wolf Ofwitz of the world,
Speaker 4: the Wolf Ofwitz doctrine was cast for us economically, culturally, spiritually, morally.
Speaker 4: It was a disaster and the outcomes were not good either.
Speaker 4: You have the toppling of Gaddafi and Libya, then there's
Speaker 4: open air slave markets.
Speaker 3: How did that work out? By the way, there was a.
Speaker 4: Guest with Tucker Carlson just yesterday, former Congressman, very interesting
Speaker 4: story where he acknowledges that he had firsthand knowledge as
Speaker 4: a former congressman with his insider contacts within the intell agencies,
Speaker 4: that in fact, yes, he is convinced that Kadafi was
Speaker 4: removed because he was trying to migrate Libya, along with
Speaker 4: the rest of Africa, off of the US dollar in
Speaker 4: terms of exchange or global trade and moving it to
Speaker 4: a gold standard. And for that, Hillary Clinton and the
Speaker 4: State Department used the rebel groups within Libya to brutally
Speaker 4: take him out. And I'll say it like that because
Speaker 4: I don't want to get censored. So yeah, Basically, what
Speaker 4: I'm saying is our intervention, and honestly, that was one
Speaker 4: of the more mild interventions. You have full on ground
Speaker 4: invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq, some of which persisted
Speaker 4: for decades. And how are those nations doing. Are they blossoming,
Speaker 4: burgeoning democracies that absolutely love America? Not exactly, definitely, not exactly.
Speaker 4: So overall, not much was accomplished by the way that
Speaker 4: same guest on Tucker Carlson said this. He said that
Speaker 4: they knew that Osama bin Laden was not in Afghanistan,
Speaker 4: he was not even in Pakistan, which is what I've
Speaker 4: always heard, But rather he was in Iran the whole time,
Speaker 4: and they knew it, and they had made a deal
Speaker 4: with him that they'll let him live there as long
Speaker 4: as he promises not to attack America anymore. What. No,
Speaker 4: this is one one allegation I've never heard that cooperated.
Speaker 4: The fact that he's a former congressman who was almost
Speaker 4: going to be the head of the Intel Committee in
Speaker 4: the House back in the early two thousands gives it credence,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't mean it's firm. I just thought it
Speaker 4: was a fascinating claim to make. If that's true, my god. Anyways,
Speaker 4: long story short, he's calling for an investigation into nine eleven.
Speaker 4: I would certainly love to see that an impartial one,
Speaker 4: which is what we definitely need.
Speaker 3: One thing to hold on to.
Speaker 6: How you make this these claims or appear to make
Speaker 6: these claims.
Speaker 5: Do you have any in the building?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure, sure.
Speaker 6: Let's start with the collapse of building seven. Can you
Speaker 6: roll the video clip that I sent to you? Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if I can't.
Speaker 3: Building seven was not hit by an airplane.
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm familiar with. Veniently, by the way, I never
Speaker 6: questioned anything about nine to eleven, and I actively attacked
Speaker 6: people who did. I'm ashamed of that, but that's a fact.
Speaker 6: I did it on tape more than once because my
Speaker 6: feeling was, well, you know, like that's divisive or whatever.
Speaker 6: I was a child and an idiot.
Speaker 4: To get back to the original point, I think that
Speaker 4: what they've what they've realized over the past year, really
Speaker 4: since Trump got back into power, is that this coalition
Speaker 4: that he built, this Maga mah libertarian alliance that ushered
Speaker 4: Donald Trump back in for a second term not that
Speaker 4: long ago, about six months ago, was that it brought
Speaker 4: in genuine anti war energy, genuine like non interventionists, slash
Speaker 4: full on anti war folks. Are they I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: say that they're the majority of MAGA, but they are
Speaker 4: a big portion of it. I would say probably thirty
Speaker 4: or forty percent. Just spitballing. I know I have a
Speaker 4: big following as a consequence of it, and I think
Speaker 4: that like that sentiment which is held by me sincerely,
Speaker 4: is held by millions and millions of Americans, And I
Speaker 4: honestly I don't even like understand the people that don't
Speaker 4: agree with us on this. It's just like it's so
Speaker 4: empirically demonstrated to have been disastrous on all fronts and
Speaker 4: not to our benefit at all. How do you even
Speaker 4: argue the counter It's very challenging. So anyways, maybe it
Speaker 4: is the majority of MEGA. I'm not sure. I just
Speaker 4: don't want to make that claim because I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying it's a big, big chunk of Trump's support,
Speaker 4: and it's not exactly a secret that it's a big
Speaker 4: chunk of his support. Donald Trump came to the Libertarian
Speaker 4: National Convention about a year ago and he made the
Speaker 4: pitch that, yeah, we're interested in ending these wars ending
Speaker 4: the era of neo Conservatism.
Speaker 7: At the City Club of Cleveland.
Speaker 8: The threat from Iran as of course, their stated objected
Speaker 8: to destroy our strong ally Israel as a threat, a
Speaker 8: serious threats, a threat to world peace. It's a threat
Speaker 8: in essence to a strong alliance. I made it clear,
Speaker 8: I'll make it clear again that we would use military
Speaker 8: mic to protect our ally Israel.
Speaker 7: And this rhetoric prompted calls to tone down language invoking
Speaker 7: Israel as the catalyst for aggresion toward Iran, writes Oray
Speaker 7: Near for the Foreword. Jewish community leaders have urged the
Speaker 7: White House to refrain from publicly pledging to defend Israel
Speaker 7: against possible Iranian hostilities. Messages were passed to the White
Speaker 7: House through several channels, Jewish activist said, and it seems
Speaker 7: to have worked. Speaking before the annual Conference of the
Speaker 7: American Jewish Committee Washington last week, President Bush talked about
Speaker 7: America's commitment to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon,
Speaker 7: but he did not link the two, as he has
Speaker 7: several times in recent months. One of these activists near right.
Speaker 7: It was none other than Abraham Foxman, longtime National director
Speaker 7: of the Pro Israel Anti Defamation League. We are basically
Speaker 7: telling the President we appreciate it, we welcome it, but hey,
Speaker 7: maybe you shouldn't say it that often or that loud.
Speaker 7: Within the Jewish community, there was a real sense of
Speaker 7: thank you, but no thank you.
Speaker 4: Malcolm Homeland seeking peace, particularly with Russia, So it's not
Speaker 4: a surprise in that front not to mention. A huge
Speaker 4: percentage of Republicans or the families of the soldiers that
Speaker 4: fought in the Global War and tear and they saw
Speaker 4: first hand the consequences of that and the lack of
Speaker 4: positives that came out of it. So you don't have
Speaker 4: to convince those people. They know it viscerally how catastrophic
Speaker 4: it was. So Trump knowing being a smart politician, and
Speaker 4: maybe this is sincerely held belief, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 4: he marketed himself accordingly. He talks about this, I just
Speaker 4: want people to stop dying. When he's getting questioned from
Speaker 4: democratic pundits when they're saying, well, how do you intend
Speaker 4: to see the war in Ukraine end? And He's like, look,
Speaker 4: we're not talking about that right now. I'll negotiate it
Speaker 4: when we come to that. But in the meantime, I
Speaker 4: just want to see people stop dying.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: Do you want Ukraine to win this war?
Speaker 9: I don't think in terms of winning and losing. I
Speaker 9: think in terms of getting it settled. So we stopped
Speaker 9: killing all these people and breaking down is so ubpy.
Speaker 4: Wow, what do you can I just follow up on that?
Speaker 6: And you said in winning, follow up on that because
Speaker 6: that's a really important thing. Let me just stay there.
Speaker 4: Can you say, if you want Ukraine or Russia to
Speaker 4: win this war.
Speaker 9: I want everybody to stop dying, dying, Russians and Ukrainians.
Speaker 1: I wanted to stop dying.
Speaker 3: Is that enough?
Speaker 4: Caitlin Collins? Can you accept that answer? That was the
Speaker 4: Ron Paul moment for me on his campaign. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying it was as profound or as eloquent or as
Speaker 4: principled as Ron Paul was throughout his entire career, but
Speaker 4: I'm saying in terms of like a highlight of his
Speaker 4: campaign in twenty twenty four was that moment, I just
Speaker 4: want people to stop dying. And I think it it
Speaker 4: sent reverberation through the largely Democrat CNN or MSNBC audience
Speaker 4: that was watching it at the time. It's like, that's
Speaker 4: a hard thing to argue against. I just want people
Speaker 4: to stop dying. Like very few people will oppose that
Speaker 4: message unless they are very fucked up calloused. So the
Speaker 4: point is is that Trump knows this, and his campaign
Speaker 4: advisors know this, and everybody in his cabinet knows this.
Speaker 4: This is what brought the rfks of the world, This
Speaker 4: is what brought the Tulsi Gabbards of the world. We
Speaker 4: wanted change, we wanted peaceful resolution, we wanted peace, we
Speaker 4: wanted peace. And I think that they've realized is that, yes,
Speaker 4: it did usher Donald Trump into power, but simultaneously they've
Speaker 4: lost control of the message of the narrative. As a
Speaker 4: consequence of the same energy that brought Donald Trump back
Speaker 4: into office was X was TikTok, was podcasts, this free range,
Speaker 4: open debate, open dialogue, dissident conversations that were reaching audiences
Speaker 4: that corporate media could not any could not do so
Speaker 4: any longer, huge, huge audiences that they couldn't even dream of.
Speaker 3: And that's what happened.
Speaker 4: And as a consequence of that, Rogan in particular led
Speaker 4: the Charge being the largest platform, having Dave Smiths on
Speaker 4: and Sam Tripley's on and Eddie Brabo's on and all
Speaker 4: these guys that are like stand up comics kind of
Speaker 4: but also political commentators kind of are seriously and and
Speaker 4: all of them are kind of espousing the same message
Speaker 4: that like, yeah, here's all of the ways that we
Speaker 4: relied into these wars throughout our lives, not even the
Speaker 4: historic ones, but just in our lifetimes, and here's what
Speaker 4: we want to see moving forward. And they all even
Speaker 4: though like Tripley doesn't call himself a libertarian, I don't
Speaker 4: know if Eddie Bravo does, Dave obviously does, but like,
Speaker 4: they all had a very similar message. And what they
Speaker 4: what we discovered as a consequence of this extraordinarily large
Speaker 4: platform that had a similar message coming from all of
Speaker 4: Joe's friends is that war isn't really popular. I know
Speaker 4: who would have thought, and particularly misguided non defensive wars
Speaker 4: are super unpopular. Even wars via proxy are unpopular. Russia
Speaker 4: Ukraine is reel, Palestine not popular. And these guys, I mean,
Speaker 4: there's many others. Just having a three hour platform to
Speaker 4: kind of just talk this through and use logic and
Speaker 4: rationale and some historical data points that you don't hear
Speaker 4: on the corporate news was enough to convince tens of
Speaker 4: millions of Americans that yeah, America first, motherfuckers, we mean it,
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Speaker 4: the dissidents in scare quotes that are in fact still
Speaker 4: foot soldiers for the regime, foot soldiers for the military
Speaker 4: industrial complex, are circling the wagons to try and damage
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan's reputation, that they are trying to topple him
Speaker 4: as the leading media voice, which is what he is.
Speaker 4: And I think that's why. I don't think it's because,
Speaker 4: you know, he spoke out against lockdowns like that. The
Speaker 4: left tried that, if you guys forget it wasn't that
Speaker 4: long ago year and a half, two years ago. They
Speaker 4: were really trying to cancel Joe Rogan. You had the
Speaker 4: inward tape where they took all of the times he's
Speaker 4: ever said the in word throughout the thousands of hours
Speaker 4: of podcasting he's done with these stand up comics. They
Speaker 4: tried to cancel him with that. They tried to cancel
Speaker 4: him for talking about whether or not he wanted to
Speaker 4: get the v whether he not you know what medication
Speaker 4: he was taking for covid, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: They just kept trying.
Speaker 4: They kept trying to hammer that nail, because even then
Speaker 4: he was already presenting a major problem, and he was
Speaker 4: he was a major problem platforming RFK and all these
Speaker 4: all these dissident medical figures, not RFK sitting him aside,
Speaker 4: but like really professional medical figures that were saying, everything
Speaker 4: we're doing is wrong. And they were like, that's a
Speaker 4: big problem. We're trying to lock these people in their
Speaker 4: houses indefinitely and put them on some sort of monitoring
Speaker 4: system for the rest of their lives. We can't have
Speaker 4: ten plus million people listening to this guy tell them
Speaker 4: we don't need to do any of this. So they
Speaker 4: tried hard and it failed, and now it's presenting another
Speaker 4: problem that the real energy, even above and beyond being
Speaker 4: anti war, is that people are questioning the nature of
Speaker 4: the relationship between America and Israel, and a lot of
Speaker 4: people are realizing that there's an obvious conflict in the
Speaker 4: messaging that you can't be America first, while we're almost
Speaker 4: thirty seven trillion in debt, will we're hemorrhaging over a
Speaker 4: trillion in interest alone annually, while we have one hundred
Speaker 4: thousand people who have dropped dead from fentanyl, where we
Speaker 4: have depression and anxiety and suicide all skyrocketing, and you
Speaker 4: can't argue that in that condition, in that level of despair,
Speaker 4: that we should be shipping billions of dollars to a
Speaker 4: nation that has less debt than America by a lot,
Speaker 4: and does on a per capita base, does really well economically,
Speaker 4: that we should be shipping them not just billions of
Speaker 4: dollars every year for their entire existence, but also munitions
Speaker 4: as they just absolutely.
Speaker 3: Demolish their neighbor.
Speaker 4: Everyone is just saying this seems wrong. And that's a
Speaker 4: big fucking problem because Trump, despite his rhetoric, was ushered
Speaker 4: into power not just with the Maga Maha Libertarian Alliance,
Speaker 4: but also with one hundred million dollars from the Atolsen's
Speaker 4: and a whole bunch of packs that have allegiance to
Speaker 4: that country. And that conflict is being fought in real
Speaker 4: time on the largest scale. And I don't think people
Speaker 4: understand that this is not just about jealousy. That Dave
Speaker 4: Smith is a regular on Joe Rogan and they used
Speaker 4: to be, and now maybe they only come on once a
Speaker 4: year or once every couple of years, and so this
Speaker 4: is all just about, you know, backbiting and ankle biting.
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think so. I think it's much
Speaker 3: bigger than that.
Speaker 4: I think that the narrative that particularly people like Douglas Murray,
Speaker 4: Puss Push, but also to a lesser extent, James Lindsay,
Speaker 4: Constantine Kissing, and certainly Sam Harris Push is getting fucking
Speaker 4: beat to hell by people like Dave Smith and Scott
Speaker 4: Horten and others. They are losing this debate badly. And
Speaker 4: if this debate is lost in a significant enough fashion,
Speaker 4: and if this idea becomes popular enough that yeah, when
Speaker 4: we say America First, we fucking mean it, well, then
Speaker 4: the gravy train and the military industrial complex constant flood
Speaker 4: of money and munitions to the Israelis may run into roadblocks.
Speaker 4: And I think it already is. I think Trump is
Speaker 4: already hemorrhaging support as a consequence of it, because his
Speaker 4: base means it when they say America First, not all
Speaker 4: of them, but a big, big percentage. That's really at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, what we're witnessing is that
Speaker 4: this is a civil war, cold civil war, if you will,
Speaker 4: between those that meant it and those that didn't those
Speaker 4: that sold you on what sounded good, and those that
Speaker 4: took what they were being told on face value, and
Speaker 4: you know, honestly, like someone like me, I didn't take
Speaker 4: it on face value. Like I knew that what Trump's
Speaker 4: allegiance was going to be, you know, I knew. I
Speaker 4: knew he was going to do a bunch of things
Speaker 4: for Israel. Obviously, I just also acknowledged, and you guys
Speaker 4: can go back and watch when I said I was
Speaker 4: ultimately going to vote for Trump. I said this explicitly
Speaker 4: that the truth is is that Kamala Harris would too.
Speaker 4: She's gonna give them all the money ammunitions they want too.
Speaker 4: So I just kind of accepted that that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I disagree with that, but at least he's campaigning on it.
Speaker 4: At least his base wants it, and they say it
Speaker 4: with their chest and they fucking mean it. It's the
Speaker 4: first movement I've had in a long time that actually
Speaker 4: said that, like we want to stop fighting and funding wars.
Speaker 4: It's like, I'm going to get on board with that,
Speaker 4: whether the whether the politicians for real or not. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna stand side by side with the tens of millions
Speaker 4: of people that said that and meant it, and try
Speaker 4: and use that energy to prevent the worst instincts of
Speaker 4: Trump or the worst instinct of his campaign contributors. At
Speaker 4: least it gives us a fighting chance. It's a better
Speaker 4: chance than the Democrats who don't give a shit what
Speaker 4: I have to say. And we have a real big
Speaker 4: movement that genuinely means this stuff for the first time
Speaker 4: probably in my lifetime, just as I got close to
Speaker 4: voting for Democrats back in the mid two thousands, when
Speaker 4: we were right in the peak of the War on
Speaker 4: Terror and it was just and the Republicans were just
Speaker 4: so bloodthirsty. They were just like all they were talking
Speaker 4: about all day every day was like shutting down mosques
Speaker 4: in New York. Like that's all they cared about. They
Speaker 4: didn't care how many people died, they didn't care how
Speaker 4: many wars we were in. That's all they were about.
Speaker 4: I'm sure many of you watching this right now were
Speaker 4: those people back then. And I think many of you
Speaker 4: have seen the light because you realize that that war
Speaker 4: was based off all the lie and a lot of
Speaker 4: propaganda we were told was based off lies.
Speaker 3: And God bless you that you've seen the light. Me too.
Speaker 4: I've obviously evolved my beliefs since back then too, So
Speaker 4: what I'm saying is this was a once in a
Speaker 4: lifetime opportunity, at least in my lifetime, where I felt like,
Speaker 4: here's a group of people that like, we agree on
Speaker 4: eighty to ninety percent of stuff, just because I don't
Speaker 4: trust Donald Trump and I don't trust some of the
Speaker 4: members of his cabinet, Mark or Rubio, for instance, Am
Speaker 4: I gonna let that opportunity pass me by?
Speaker 3: Or am I? Am I gonna take a swing? So
Speaker 3: I took a swing. And I think that.
Speaker 4: If we continue to not back down, if we continue
Speaker 4: to actually push back against the Kissings, Lindsay's, Harris's Murray's
Speaker 4: of the world, and we continue to just trounce them
Speaker 4: in debates. I know it sounds ridiculous, debate me bro
Speaker 4: culture could save the world. Maybe I'm delusional, maybe, but
Speaker 4: I think this shit matters. And the reason I think
Speaker 4: it matters is because just look at the unbelievable response
Speaker 4: to the Dave Smith Douglas Murray debate.
Speaker 3: It's been a week.
Speaker 1: It's still at.
Speaker 4: A fever picture or not a week. It's been I
Speaker 4: don't know, five days but it's been I mean, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: It's the big story in the country. My buddy, debating
Speaker 4: Anil Khan is the biggest story in the country. That
Speaker 4: means something. It may not mean as much as I'm saying,
Speaker 4: but it means something. It means that there's like, there
Speaker 4: is real interest in this discussion. And I don't think
Speaker 4: it's just about blood sport. I don't think it's just
Speaker 4: about like who can best who in the battle of
Speaker 4: wits and oh my god, have you ever been? You know,
Speaker 4: like all that garbage and peacocking and posturing.
Speaker 3: It's more than that.
Speaker 4: I think the reason that that that debate caught fire
Speaker 4: was because one, it's a bunch of guys that have
Speaker 4: made their career from going on Rogan, which, by the way,
Speaker 4: Sam Harris and Douglas Murray and Kissing for fucking damn
Speaker 4: sure have all had their their careers at James lindsay,
Speaker 4: my god, they've all had their careers unbelievably boosted by
Speaker 4: going on Rogan as many times as they've had. Dave
Speaker 4: will be the first to acknowledge his career has been
Speaker 4: boosted tremendously by it. I might add that legionis Kanks,
Speaker 4: and his comedy career has been successful anyways, and I
Speaker 4: think he would have been a success anyways. But undoubtedly
Speaker 4: going on Joe Rogan fifteen times helps a fuck up
Speaker 4: a lot, So I'm not diminishing that. But my point
Speaker 4: is is that all of these guys that got boosted tremendously,
Speaker 4: they went on there in front of it. Not they,
Speaker 4: but they've all done it in their own on their
Speaker 4: own shows, tweeting it out, and the Douglas Murray did
Speaker 4: it on his show in his face, challenging.
Speaker 3: The very core of what made.
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan so successful. That I'm gonna talk to whoever
Speaker 4: the fuck I want about whatever the fuck I want.
Speaker 4: And if you have a problem with that, eat shit,
Speaker 4: Douglas Murray. It's just to tie into the last episode.
Speaker 4: That's what made it so compelling that this guy that
Speaker 4: all of these former lefty I don't know, I don't
Speaker 4: think Douglas Murray's a former lefty, but many of them are.
Speaker 4: But these like these dissidents that push back against woke culture,
Speaker 4: which he certainly did, are now arguing in favor of
Speaker 4: deplatforming that you shouldn't have on these s schmucks like
Speaker 4: Dave Smith that just devoured me in this debate.
Speaker 3: How dare you?
Speaker 4: The hypocrisy is astonishing, And the core of the debate
Speaker 4: is America first actually the heart and soul of the
Speaker 4: modern right wing, or isn't it? And that debate matters
Speaker 4: a lot if you're viewing that debate on its merit.
Speaker 4: The core of the right is America first, for real,
Speaker 4: and that is why they are trying desperately to damage
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan, deplatform Dave Smith, and do everything every censorious
Speaker 4: hate speech law, everything you can do because you're losing. Now,
Speaker 4: let me give you some friendly advice. You're not gonna
Speaker 4: win by passing hate speech laws. You're not gonna win
Speaker 4: by getting on the largest show on Earth and then
Speaker 4: lecturing the guy that helped your career to not do
Speaker 4: what made him the biggest show on Earth.
Speaker 3: You absolute imbecile. That's not the way forward.
Speaker 4: And you're not gonna win that debate because his entire
Speaker 4: audience loves him because he has on people that we
Speaker 4: don't always agree with. And by the way, it's a
Speaker 4: massive insult to his audience to get on there and
Speaker 4: say you can't have on someone like Dave Smith, your
Speaker 4: audience is too stupid to recognize when he's lying, as
Speaker 4: if when he has on God's Sad or Jordan Peterson
Speaker 4: or Douglas Murray or kissing or Lindsey that. Oh, but
Speaker 4: then then we're smart enough to distill whether or not
Speaker 4: you're telling us the truth. Know, what you're saying is
Speaker 4: that we're always too dumb to think for ourselves that
Speaker 4: if you have on someone that you that you support,
Speaker 4: then it's okay because we're just idiots and we're just
Speaker 4: gonna take in whatever you say and then pairrot it
Speaker 4: back out. Here's the truth. I've heard all of your arguments,
Speaker 4: and I've sided with Dave. And you know why because
Speaker 4: after a long, long baut of thinking about it with
Speaker 4: my little tiny man brain, I came to the conclusion
Speaker 4: that he's telling the truth. In your lying motherfuckers, I know,
Speaker 4: and I only have a bachelor's degree, But so do you, Dougy.
Speaker 4: So our opinions are equal and your stupid credentialed worldview.
Speaker 3: So I think that's why.
Speaker 4: I think that that's why that debate caught fire, and
Speaker 4: I think that's why they are trying to damage and
Speaker 4: ultimately destroy Joe Rogan. If you remember, after Kamala lost
Speaker 4: the election, the Democrats just totally spiraled out of control
Speaker 4: and they were like, we have to find our democratic
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan.
Speaker 3: Here's the truth.
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan was a Democrat for a very long time.
Speaker 4: You guys lost him because you lost your fucking minds. Well,
Speaker 4: now you have a Joe Rogan on the right, but
Speaker 4: the pro Israel camp within the right can't stand the
Speaker 4: fact that Joe has on guests that sometimes don't agree
Speaker 4: with them. So now they're doing the same thing. And
Speaker 4: now you're gonna push Joe Rogan away and he's gonna
Speaker 4: end up firmly in the libertarian not intervention of this camp.
Speaker 4: So thank you for not learning any lessons from the Woke,
Speaker 4: which you fought against tirelessly for a decade, and now
Speaker 4: implementing the same counterproductive tactics which destroyed their entire movement
Speaker 4: and will ultimately destroy you. Why am I even telling
Speaker 4: you this? You don't deserve it. But I know none
Speaker 4: of you will take me seriously because I'm just a little,
Speaker 4: tiny guy podcaster and I don't have a brain, So who.
Speaker 3: Gives a shit what I have to say? Just laugh?
Speaker 4: It off, don't take me seriously, doesn't bother me. I'd
Speaker 4: rather you or not stay the course. But for those
Speaker 4: that aren't in that stupid camp, I hope this helps
Speaker 4: clarify what we're witnessing, that this is a much bigger fight.
Speaker 4: This is not Douglas Murray versus Dave Smith. This is
Speaker 4: the heart and soul of what the right wing will
Speaker 4: mean moving forward. Will it be an noun interventionist or
Speaker 4: will it be repackaged garbage neo conservatism. That's up for
Speaker 4: you to decide, and I hope you'll make the right call.
Speaker 10: Where are all of those free speech people who gripped
Speaker 10: it off of free speech and who won't say anything?
Speaker 10: And recognizing that this administration is current administration is taking
Speaker 10: a turn that is quite dark. Okay, it is not
Speaker 10: what we signed up for. We are supposed to be
Speaker 10: the people who defend speech. So why is it now?
Speaker 10: I'm finding myself in agreement with annat Kasparian and chank
Speaker 10: over at the young Turks who are calling out what
Speaker 10: is happening and how suddenly there is this squeeze on
Speaker 10: speech only as it pertains to the special topic of Israel.
Speaker 2: So if you think that free speech violations are only
Speaker 2: going to impact the left, and you'd be a mistake.
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