WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:01.840 Have you been to the crossing points? 2 00:00:02.040 --> 00:00:05.120 I really resent that form of argumentation when we last 3 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:08.160 there at all. Sure, I really resent it. You should 4 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:10.240 at least do the courtesy of visiting it. This is 5 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:13.000 not an attractive invitation. I think it's a good idea 6 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:15.679 to see stuff, particularly if you spend a career talking 7 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:17.760 about something. I have the right to talk about whatever 8 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:19.960 the hell I want, and no one's going to stop 9 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:22.000 me or try to intimidate me. And I think that 10 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:24.120 if I said to somebody else the other way around, 11 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:27.920 it would be equally reprehensible. I have a journalistic rule 12 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:30.280 of trying never to talk about a country, even in passing, 13 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:33.119 unless I've at least been there. If I said, shut up, 14 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:35.799 you have no right to criticize anything that Douglas Murray says, 15 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:38.880 because hang on, you're talking about crossing points and not 16 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:40.719 only have you never been to a crossing point in 17 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:42.840 either Egypt or in Israel, but you never even been 18 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:46.759 to the region. Okay, it's not an exact comparison, but seriously, 19 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:51.240 is that a reasonable form of argument. No, In that case, 20 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:54.799 nobody can talk about anything. We might as well pack up, 21 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:58.479 go home and isolate ourselves. If you're insisting that you're 22 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:02.520 an expert of some kind, or not claiming you're an expert, 23 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:06.000 but still talking about it. If you've never seen any 24 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:07.959 of this going on. I mean, there are some people 25 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:09.560 who've written about them. I mean there a people who 26 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:12.959 written about the Holocausts who didn't experience the Holocaust and 27 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:14.920 have written about it better than people who did. 28 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:19.079 But that is a different matter from spending an awfully 29 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:25.480 long amount of time talking about an issue in a 30 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:30.239 region you haven't even had the courtesy to visit whilst 31 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:32.159 developing all. 32 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:33.519 Of these views about it. 33 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:37.000 This idea that the lived experience has to triumph over 34 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.799 everything else is not always correct. Should at least know 35 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:43.480 what it is, what the territory is, what the situation 36 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:45.200 is in the region. So there's an irony to this, 37 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:47.159 but let's skate over the irony. 38 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.920 The Dave Smith versus Douglas Murray debate is still the 39 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:54.879 topic du jour nearly a week later. It's unbelievable the 40 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:56.760 impact that this is having, and I think that it 41 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:00.040 highlights much bigger schism within the right wing that I 42 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:03.359 want to talk about today. Witnessing the rhetoric that was 43 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:08.000 being spouted by all of the former it's actually it 44 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:10.960 was weird. It's almost all a former left atheists that 45 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:15.360 have now become, you know, these moderate conservatives, and they're 46 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.960 all they're all pushing the same narrative that they're all 47 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.560 very concerned about the trajectory that Joe Rogan's on. They're 48 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:24.000 all very concerned about the trajectory that the right wing 49 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:26.599 is going in. They're all very concerned about the guests 50 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:30.360 that Joe Rogan might have on. I mean, the similarities 51 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:33.039 are pretty remarkable, so much so that you start to 52 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:37.680 come to the conclusion that maybe this is orchestrated. Maybe 53 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:38.759 maybe it's orchestrated. 54 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:39.199 I don't know. 55 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:43.280 I'm not saying it is definitively, but my goodness, are 56 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:48.639 their similarities. Sam Harris, James Lindsay, Douglas Murray, Constantine Kissen. 57 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:51.319 There's many others. I could give you a whole list 58 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.560 of about fifteen or twenty. And the tie that binds 59 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.879 I know you'll be surprised by the shocked even is 60 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:02.599 that it is those that of unyielding allegiance to Israel 61 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:09.759 versus basically everyone who doesn't. I'm sure that's just a coincidence, though, 62 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:13.439 I'm sure that's totally an organic factor that doesn't actually 63 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:15.039 have any bearing on this conversation. 64 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:17.439 By the way, shout out to the Good Morning Liberty guys. 65 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:22.479 They put together that incredible compilation of Douglas Murray eviscerating 66 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:24.879 Douglas Murray in a debate. 67 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:26.159 About a lift experience. 68 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:30.639 Oh that was so brilliant, so absolutely beautiful to watch, 69 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:33.120 and I just loved seeing it because if you watched 70 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:35.479 my episode from a couple days ago, that's exactly what 71 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.199 I said, is that this is a non argument, and 72 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:40.879 that this is the exact same argumentation that the critical 73 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:44.719 race theorists make, and it's the lived experience argument. And 74 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:48.439 Douglas Murray himself would acknowledge that that's not an argument, 75 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:52.759 and guess what that was, right. Douglas Murray, in fact, 76 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:57.199 in a more eloquent way, argued that, yeah, it's not 77 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.159 an argument, and if we all abided by that, we 78 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.039 wouldn't be able to talk about much of anything, and 79 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.520 it'd be totally stupid. So thank you Good Morning Liberty, 80 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:10.319 and thank you Douglas Murray for dismantling your shitty argumentation. 81 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:13.199 I really appreciate that Joe is a genuinely good guy 82 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:19.199 who wants good things for people, but he is honestly 83 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:24.720 in over his head on so many topics of great consequence. 84 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:27.959 Right when he brings someone on to just shoot the 85 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:31.000 ship about you know, how the Holocaust is not what 86 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:33.519 you think it was, right or and you know, maybe 87 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:36.720 Churchill's the bad guy in World War Two. He's got 88 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:40.240 Dave Smith, you know, being treated as an expert on 89 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:49.000 the Israel and Palestine and the history of that conflict. 90 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:52.000 Dave Dave Smith is the only reason why anyone knows 91 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:55.560 what Dave Smith thinks about any of this is very 92 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.079 likely because Joe had him on multiple times to talk 93 00:04:58.079 --> 00:04:58.439 about it. 94 00:04:58.519 --> 00:04:58.680 Right. 95 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.439 I apologize for playing a clip of Sam Harris. I 96 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:04.279 had to do it to make a point. I realized 97 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:06.839 that it's torturous. I realized that he takes a long 98 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.600 pause in between each and every word in which he 99 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:13.199 in which he inhales his own flatulence. So I apologize, 100 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:15.160 but I have to make this point, and the point 101 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:19.839 is obvious is that he's spouting the exact same you know, 102 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.560 lecture lectorious. I don't even know if that's the word 103 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.720 lecturing delivery that Douglas Murray hit Joe Rogan with for 104 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:29.600 the first forty five minutes of the debate with Dave James. 105 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:33.360 Lindsay is now posting things like this quote from everything 106 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:35.720 I'm hearing from people who don't live on social media. 107 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.560 The only loser of the debate was Joe Rogan. Maybe 108 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.319 he's teflon, but I think he's being taken out and 109 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:46.079 that Douglas was one of his last lifelines. Very cryptic 110 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:51.000 language there. I'm not sure what message James is trying 111 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.399 to convey there. Honestly, I feel like James has kind 112 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:56.040 of lost his mind over the past year, So take 113 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:57.560 that part with a grain of salt. But I did 114 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.120 think that it's an interesting tie in because all of 115 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:04.879 these guys are longtime guests. Andre Rogan, I think James 116 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:07.079 has been on three or four times, Douglas has been 117 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:09.879 on like seven times. Same with Sam Harris. I did 118 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:13.480 the math earlier today. They've been on a cumulative seventeen 119 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:17.519 guest appearances. And Constantin Kissen is kind of in their 120 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.680 camp too. He's been on multiple times over the past year, 121 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:23.000 so he's kind of like the new breed of the 122 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:26.800 same kind of ilk of anti woke warriors that also 123 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:30.279 want censorship when it comes to one nation that happens 124 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:33.959 to not be America. So interesting correlation between all these guys. 125 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:37.079 And I just really thought that James Lindsay's take there 126 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:40.199 was interesting because he said he's being taken out. You know, 127 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:45.120 being taken out implies intentionality. Now, I, like I said, 128 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:47.959 James may just be totally schizo and have completely lost 129 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.360 his shit at this point. I don't know, or maybe 130 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:52.519 he's read in. Maybe he knows these guys and he 131 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:56.600 actually understands what's happening. Maybe it's possible. I'm not sure, 132 00:06:57.079 --> 00:06:59.920 but I do think that the similarities in the messaging 133 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:05.439 across the board are not coincidental. At least, they all 134 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:08.639 approach this matter with the same mental framework, even if 135 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:11.560 they're not working in tandem with one another to create, 136 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:16.360 create and craft a unified oppositional narrative to Rogan and 137 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.079 to the Dave Smiths of the world, and to the 138 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:22.000 Daryl Coopers of the world. I'm not sure, but it 139 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:24.839 is it's odd that they're all saying essentially the exact 140 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:27.439 same thing that you need to have on experts who 141 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:30.480 are the experts, Well, wouldn't you know it, it's us. 142 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.839 You got to have on more people like us dissident 143 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:40.600 former lefties that became anti woke people that then became 144 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:43.439 moderate conservatives that are right or die for Israel. You 145 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:45.920 got to have those people on. You got to stop 146 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:47.839 having on people like Dave Smith. For the love of God, 147 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.160 don't have this Jewish guy on. Have these guys on 148 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:53.279 who aren't Jewish that will defend Israel better than the 149 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:55.560 Jewish guy. I mean, that's really the argument they're making, 150 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:59.680 which is fucking crazy, and it I think it creates 151 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:02.399 the same cognitive dissonance that much of the critical theory did. 152 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:04.639 That it just kind of drove you nuts that you 153 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:06.800 had all of these people that were just harping on 154 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:10.439 race relations and racism and how evil it was while 155 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:15.319 simultaneously pushing some of the most racist ideas I've ever 156 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:19.000 experienced in modern times, where they were genuinely like seeking 157 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:23.160 to subjugate white people because of past oppression. And it 158 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.720 seems very similar that these former anti woke people, the 159 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.879 guys that, like in my opinion, courageously stood up against 160 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:35.000 censorious garbage and racism against white people on college campuses. 161 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:36.600 Jordan Peterson's another. 162 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:37.120 One of them. 163 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:39.720 They all did it kind of in the same twenty 164 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:44.320 sixteen through twenty eighteen, twenty twenty window and now they've 165 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:48.399 all lost their shit, and it all basically came crashing 166 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:51.519 down right after October seventh, and I just I just 167 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:55.639 don't think it's coincidental the overarching schism that I've identified 168 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:58.080 as a consequence of this, and I'm sure many of 169 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.480 you have too. I'm not saying this is some unique idea, 170 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:02.960 but this was the the analysis that I've had over 171 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.559 the past week and a little bit longer than that, really, 172 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:08.720 but it's just become very obvious as of late. Is 173 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:11.720 that really what this is is a divide between those 174 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.600 that said America First and meant it sincerely and those 175 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:21.279 that meant it as a marketing pitch, slogan earring, but 176 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:24.600 they actually intended to continue the new conservatism that has 177 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.159 left our country on the brink of bankruptcy and millions 178 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:32.399 dead in the Middle East, and countless soldiers, American soldiers 179 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:34.879 that have taken their own lives for those that weren't 180 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:35.720 lost in combat. 181 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:37.759 I mean, it has been catastrophic. 182 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:39.879 And I think that the truth is is that you 183 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.639 can't win an argument against Dave Smith's of the world 184 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:48.679 on this topic because it has been catastrophic, and anyone, 185 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:52.759 basically anyone has come to the conclusion that, yes, we 186 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:55.559 were led astray, that the George W. Bush administration, the 187 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:57.559 Dick Cheneys of the world, the Wolf Ofwitz of the world, 188 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:04.799 the Wolf Ofwitz doctrine was cast for us economically, culturally, spiritually, morally. 189 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.759 It was a disaster and the outcomes were not good either. 190 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:13.399 You have the toppling of Gaddafi and Libya, then there's 191 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:14.480 open air slave markets. 192 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:16.440 How did that work out? By the way, there was a. 193 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.519 Guest with Tucker Carlson just yesterday, former Congressman, very interesting 194 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:23.759 story where he acknowledges that he had firsthand knowledge as 195 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:29.919 a former congressman with his insider contacts within the intell agencies, 196 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.279 that in fact, yes, he is convinced that Kadafi was 197 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:36.159 removed because he was trying to migrate Libya, along with 198 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:38.960 the rest of Africa, off of the US dollar in 199 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.559 terms of exchange or global trade and moving it to 200 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.879 a gold standard. And for that, Hillary Clinton and the 201 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:49.000 State Department used the rebel groups within Libya to brutally 202 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:51.080 take him out. And I'll say it like that because 203 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:55.960 I don't want to get censored. So yeah, Basically, what 204 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:58.360 I'm saying is our intervention, and honestly, that was one 205 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:01.399 of the more mild interventions. You have full on ground 206 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:04.679 invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq, some of which persisted 207 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:10.919 for decades. And how are those nations doing. Are they blossoming, 208 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:17.679 burgeoning democracies that absolutely love America? Not exactly, definitely, not exactly. 209 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:23.000 So overall, not much was accomplished by the way that 210 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:26.519 same guest on Tucker Carlson said this. He said that 211 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:30.720 they knew that Osama bin Laden was not in Afghanistan, 212 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:32.679 he was not even in Pakistan, which is what I've 213 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:35.919 always heard, But rather he was in Iran the whole time, 214 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:38.200 and they knew it, and they had made a deal 215 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:40.840 with him that they'll let him live there as long 216 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:44.879 as he promises not to attack America anymore. What. No, 217 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:49.679 this is one one allegation I've never heard that cooperated. 218 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:52.759 The fact that he's a former congressman who was almost 219 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:54.639 going to be the head of the Intel Committee in 220 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:58.480 the House back in the early two thousands gives it credence, 221 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.399 but it doesn't mean it's firm. I just thought it 222 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:06.279 was a fascinating claim to make. If that's true, my god. Anyways, 223 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:08.639 long story short, he's calling for an investigation into nine eleven. 224 00:12:08.679 --> 00:12:11.279 I would certainly love to see that an impartial one, 225 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.080 which is what we definitely need. 226 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:14.120 One thing to hold on to. 227 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:16.720 How you make this these claims or appear to make 228 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:17.399 these claims. 229 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:19.799 Do you have any in the building? 230 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:21.159 Yeah? Sure, sure. 231 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:24.960 Let's start with the collapse of building seven. Can you 232 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:28.279 roll the video clip that I sent to you? Okay, 233 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:29.279 I'm not sure if I can't. 234 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:31.639 Building seven was not hit by an airplane. 235 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:34.360 Oh, I'm familiar with. Veniently, by the way, I never 236 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.279 questioned anything about nine to eleven, and I actively attacked 237 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:40.639 people who did. I'm ashamed of that, but that's a fact. 238 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:43.519 I did it on tape more than once because my 239 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.240 feeling was, well, you know, like that's divisive or whatever. 240 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:47.480 I was a child and an idiot. 241 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:49.919 To get back to the original point, I think that 242 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:55.039 what they've what they've realized over the past year, really 243 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:58.399 since Trump got back into power, is that this coalition 244 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:02.320 that he built, this Maga mah libertarian alliance that ushered 245 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.960 Donald Trump back in for a second term not that 246 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:08.679 long ago, about six months ago, was that it brought 247 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:16.000 in genuine anti war energy, genuine like non interventionists, slash 248 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:20.080 full on anti war folks. Are they I'm not gonna 249 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:23.039 say that they're the majority of MAGA, but they are 250 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:26.600 a big portion of it. I would say probably thirty 251 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:29.440 or forty percent. Just spitballing. I know I have a 252 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:32.320 big following as a consequence of it, and I think 253 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:35.720 that like that sentiment which is held by me sincerely, 254 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.360 is held by millions and millions of Americans, And I 255 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:42.080 honestly I don't even like understand the people that don't 256 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:44.559 agree with us on this. It's just like it's so 257 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:49.639 empirically demonstrated to have been disastrous on all fronts and 258 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:52.960 not to our benefit at all. How do you even 259 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:56.240 argue the counter It's very challenging. So anyways, maybe it 260 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:58.080 is the majority of MEGA. I'm not sure. I just 261 00:13:58.080 --> 00:13:59.679 don't want to make that claim because I don't know. 262 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:02.759 I'm just saying it's a big, big chunk of Trump's support, 263 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:04.759 and it's not exactly a secret that it's a big 264 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:07.320 chunk of his support. Donald Trump came to the Libertarian 265 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.240 National Convention about a year ago and he made the 266 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:13.519 pitch that, yeah, we're interested in ending these wars ending 267 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:15.639 the era of neo Conservatism. 268 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:16.200 At the City Club of Cleveland. 269 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.399 The threat from Iran as of course, their stated objected 270 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:21.360 to destroy our strong ally Israel as a threat, a 271 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:23.879 serious threats, a threat to world peace. It's a threat 272 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:27.559 in essence to a strong alliance. I made it clear, 273 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:29.879 I'll make it clear again that we would use military 274 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:31.200 mic to protect our ally Israel. 275 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:35.519 And this rhetoric prompted calls to tone down language invoking 276 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:38.200 Israel as the catalyst for aggresion toward Iran, writes Oray 277 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:40.639 Near for the Foreword. Jewish community leaders have urged the 278 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.000 White House to refrain from publicly pledging to defend Israel 279 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.279 against possible Iranian hostilities. Messages were passed to the White 280 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:48.639 House through several channels, Jewish activist said, and it seems 281 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.440 to have worked. Speaking before the annual Conference of the 282 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:53.159 American Jewish Committee Washington last week, President Bush talked about 283 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:55.600 America's commitment to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, 284 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:57.320 but he did not link the two, as he has 285 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:59.960 several times in recent months. One of these activists near right. 286 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.679 It was none other than Abraham Foxman, longtime National director 287 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:05.159 of the Pro Israel Anti Defamation League. We are basically 288 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:07.759 telling the President we appreciate it, we welcome it, but hey, 289 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:09.759 maybe you shouldn't say it that often or that loud. 290 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:11.840 Within the Jewish community, there was a real sense of 291 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:12.919 thank you, but no thank you. 292 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:17.279 Malcolm Homeland seeking peace, particularly with Russia, So it's not 293 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:19.559 a surprise in that front not to mention. A huge 294 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:23.559 percentage of Republicans or the families of the soldiers that 295 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.279 fought in the Global War and tear and they saw 296 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:28.639 first hand the consequences of that and the lack of 297 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:32.039 positives that came out of it. So you don't have 298 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:36.080 to convince those people. They know it viscerally how catastrophic 299 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:41.360 it was. So Trump knowing being a smart politician, and 300 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:44.039 maybe this is sincerely held belief, I'm not sure, but 301 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:46.960 he marketed himself accordingly. He talks about this, I just 302 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:49.799 want people to stop dying. When he's getting questioned from 303 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:52.639 democratic pundits when they're saying, well, how do you intend 304 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:54.639 to see the war in Ukraine end? And He's like, look, 305 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:56.960 we're not talking about that right now. I'll negotiate it 306 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:59.000 when we come to that. But in the meantime, I 307 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:00.600 just want to see people stop dying. 308 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:01.240 Absolutely. 309 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:02.799 Do you want Ukraine to win this war? 310 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:06.399 I don't think in terms of winning and losing. I 311 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:08.639 think in terms of getting it settled. So we stopped 312 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:11.840 killing all these people and breaking down is so ubpy. 313 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:16.919 Wow, what do you can I just follow up on that? 314 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:21.639 And you said in winning, follow up on that because 315 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:23.759 that's a really important thing. Let me just stay there. 316 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:26.480 Can you say, if you want Ukraine or Russia to 317 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:27.320 win this war. 318 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:33.759 I want everybody to stop dying, dying, Russians and Ukrainians. 319 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:35.039 I wanted to stop dying. 320 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:35.840 Is that enough? 321 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.840 Caitlin Collins? Can you accept that answer? That was the 322 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:42.120 Ron Paul moment for me on his campaign. I'm not 323 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.080 saying it was as profound or as eloquent or as 324 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.960 principled as Ron Paul was throughout his entire career, but 325 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:51.639 I'm saying in terms of like a highlight of his 326 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.519 campaign in twenty twenty four was that moment, I just 327 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:58.639 want people to stop dying. And I think it it 328 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:03.720 sent reverberation through the largely Democrat CNN or MSNBC audience 329 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:06.000 that was watching it at the time. It's like, that's 330 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:08.759 a hard thing to argue against. I just want people 331 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:13.200 to stop dying. Like very few people will oppose that 332 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:17.960 message unless they are very fucked up calloused. So the 333 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:22.240 point is is that Trump knows this, and his campaign 334 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.519 advisors know this, and everybody in his cabinet knows this. 335 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:28.640 This is what brought the rfks of the world, This 336 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.160 is what brought the Tulsi Gabbards of the world. We 337 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:35.359 wanted change, we wanted peaceful resolution, we wanted peace, we 338 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:38.920 wanted peace. And I think that they've realized is that, yes, 339 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:42.240 it did usher Donald Trump into power, but simultaneously they've 340 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:45.200 lost control of the message of the narrative. As a 341 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.079 consequence of the same energy that brought Donald Trump back 342 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:54.799 into office was X was TikTok, was podcasts, this free range, 343 00:17:55.119 --> 00:18:00.680 open debate, open dialogue, dissident conversations that were reaching audiences 344 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.839 that corporate media could not any could not do so 345 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.079 any longer, huge, huge audiences that they couldn't even dream of. 346 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:08.799 And that's what happened. 347 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:12.079 And as a consequence of that, Rogan in particular led 348 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.799 the Charge being the largest platform, having Dave Smiths on 349 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.119 and Sam Tripley's on and Eddie Brabo's on and all 350 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:20.720 these guys that are like stand up comics kind of 351 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:25.920 but also political commentators kind of are seriously and and 352 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:28.400 all of them are kind of espousing the same message 353 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:31.359 that like, yeah, here's all of the ways that we 354 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:34.079 relied into these wars throughout our lives, not even the 355 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:37.599 historic ones, but just in our lifetimes, and here's what 356 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:39.880 we want to see moving forward. And they all even 357 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:42.119 though like Tripley doesn't call himself a libertarian, I don't 358 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:45.359 know if Eddie Bravo does, Dave obviously does, but like, 359 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.000 they all had a very similar message. And what they 360 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:51.559 what we discovered as a consequence of this extraordinarily large 361 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:54.119 platform that had a similar message coming from all of 362 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:58.480 Joe's friends is that war isn't really popular. I know 363 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:04.279 who would have thought, and particularly misguided non defensive wars 364 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:09.000 are super unpopular. Even wars via proxy are unpopular. Russia 365 00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:13.799 Ukraine is reel, Palestine not popular. And these guys, I mean, 366 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:17.920 there's many others. 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The 398 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:08.640 left tried that, if you guys forget it wasn't that 399 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:10.599 long ago year and a half, two years ago. They 400 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:12.559 were really trying to cancel Joe Rogan. You had the 401 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:15.160