WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:10.560 Welcome to Castle of Horror, the show dedicated to horror 2 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:13.839 movies and awesomeness. We are a feat Spot top one 3 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:16.719 hundred horror podcast. This week we have a look at 4 00:00:16.719 --> 00:00:20.399 the nineteen seventy two TV film Moon of the Wolf. 5 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:23.800 This is episode four hundred and sixty four. Bear in 6 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:25.719 mind if you haven't seen today's movie, we're going to 7 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:28.199 be talking about it from the perspective of horror fans 8 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:31.559 who have seen it. So warning. Spoiler's ed. From Denver, Colorado, 9 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:35.320 I'm your host, Jason Henderson, publisher at Castlebridge Media, home 10 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:38.079 of the Castle of Horror anthology. With me from Austin 11 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:40.920 is Tony Subaggio, lead singer and bassis of the band 12 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:43.359 Deserts of Mars and lead guitarist of the band Rise 13 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:47.159 from Fires. Hello, Tony, Howdy Howdy. Also in Austin. Mister 14 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:50.399 Drew Edwards, freshly back from Comic Con, is the writer 15 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:54.159 creator of the long running underground comic Halloween Man, which 16 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:56.399 you can find at Global Comics. He is a Best 17 00:00:56.439 --> 00:00:59.640 Writer Ringo nominee, Austin Chronicle Best of Austin Award winner 18 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:02.960 and member of the Pen American Fellowship. Say Hello, Drew. 19 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:05.959 The notorious, Drew Edwards. 20 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:09.439 Yes, indeed, I will just I will from henceforth to 21 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:14.200 declare that everybody should just announce me as notorious. Because 22 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:20.040 Julia was correcting me before we started recording that notoriety 23 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:23.120 and fame were not the same thing, and I was saying, 24 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:27.920 I kept saying notoriety, and so I will, I will henceforth. 25 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:30.840 I decided, if I'm not going to be famous, I'll 26 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:35.799 be infamous. So there you go, or notorious notorious. 27 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:42.439 Yes, my, my, My favorite quotation from Doctor Doom is 28 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:46.120 always in this one where he goes android. Would you 29 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:49.079 please play back that last soliloquy of mine? I found 30 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:56.200 it particularly inspiring and like I love this character like 31 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:57.560 that that is that is wonderful. 32 00:01:57.760 --> 00:01:58.120 Okay. 33 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:02.239 And finally, also in Denver, commentary from Julia Gusmond of 34 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:06.120 Gasmond Immigration of Denver, Chair of the American Immigration Lawyers 35 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:07.439 Association of Colorado. 36 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:09.759 Oh yeah, say hello, I knew she was pregnant. I 37 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:12.080 was third in my class. 38 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.479 What a strange line. My goodness, this is this is 39 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:19.280 a movie made up entirely of character actors. It's the 40 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:23.560 weirdest thing. And like it's when the when the most, 41 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:27.439 the least character. Actory character actor is David Jansen, because 42 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:30.479 at least he was the lead of the Sorry of 43 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.080 the Fugitive all right. Moon of the Wolf is an 44 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:38.400 American TV movie broadcast on September twenty sixth, nineteen seventy 45 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.439 two as an ABC Movie of the Week. It stars 46 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:45.680 David Jansen, Barbara Rush of Peyton Place, Jeffrey Lewis of 47 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:50.719 Salem's Lot, Bradford Dillman. I was what was the He 48 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:54.560 did a Dark Shadows remake for Aaron Spelling. And it's 49 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:57.759 based on a book by Leslie H. Whitten, which I 50 00:02:57.759 --> 00:02:59.680 have ordered from my library because I want to read 51 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:01.680 this book because it's it's Southern Gothic. 52 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:02.439 The film is. 53 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:07.120 I am fascinated that although it makes perfect sense for 54 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.479 you that you think of her as from Peyton Place, 55 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.840 and yet for me she is from it came from 56 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:14.599 outer space. 57 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.280 Oh my goodness. All right, Well, I haven't seen it 58 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:19.759 came from outer space since the eighties, so I guess. 59 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:22.680 We may we may have to do an episode on 60 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:23.879 it just for. 61 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:27.199 That, you know it. Yeah, A lot of this film, 62 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:30.759 this movie was made in Burnside, Louisiana and the downtown 63 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.039 of Clinton, Louisiana, and so it's a it's a very 64 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:38.520 very much location heavy film in Louisiana. The sweat on 65 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:42.199 these actors is real, and I mean I think it 66 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:45.080 lends something to the performances. I'm not even being sarcastic. 67 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.639 I mean, seriously, there's something heavy about this. So all right, 68 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.840 let's get her opening thoughts Drew, Julia Tony, and then 69 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:56.039 off we will go. Drew lay it on me, Moon 70 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.400 of the You were the one who suggested this as 71 00:03:58.400 --> 00:03:59.560 one of your suggestions. 72 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:04.280 Yes, I have only seen this movie one time before. 73 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:08.840 I watched it on tub the other time before because 74 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:13.719 it was a movie I remember seeing pictures from in 75 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:18.240 Fangoria magazine when I was a kid. But surprise, surprise 76 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:22.800 to those of you who were only born this century, 77 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.800 all of pop culture didn't used to be available at 78 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:32.120 your fingertips, and sometimes movies were hard to find and 79 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:35.319 you had to wait to see them. But as a 80 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:40.759 werewolf movie aficionado, I was very very happy to find 81 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:44.720 finally be able to see it, and it is a 82 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:50.480 lot of fun. A friend of mine, another comic book 83 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:57.519 industry gentlemen, recently likened it to a check Culchak episode 84 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.399 minus Culchak, and I think that it is is a 85 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:02.879 very good description of it. I think it would be 86 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:07.639 very easy to imagine Carl kind of dropped into the 87 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:09.759 action of this movie. 88 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:16.360 But I do love the the whole vibe of it. It. 89 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:17.759 It has a. 90 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:22.959 Great Southern Gothic feel, and I do think a lot 91 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:27.879 of that is because it was actually shot in Louisiana. 92 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.160 You know, Tony and I were actually talking on our 93 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:36.639 group chat about how this has a very authentic, authentically 94 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:41.279 Southern feeling that I don't necessarily think you would have 95 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:45.040 in a modern movie. And in fact, you know, the 96 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:48.279 last Texas Chainsaw massacre movie that was made was filmed 97 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:52.680 in Bulgaria, So contrast this with that and you'll see. 98 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:52.920 What I mean. 99 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:59.839 This has an incredibly stellar cast, in considering the fact 100 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.639 that it's mostly character driven. It's you know, the werewolf 101 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:08.199 stuff because it is a TV movie, it's it's kind 102 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:10.800 of backloaded. You really don't get a lot of werewolf 103 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:14.519 action until the very end, and all of the werewolf 104 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:17.839 kill scenes kind of take place of off screen. 105 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:21.120 What kind of sells. 106 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:23.959 This movie is you get invested in the small town 107 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:30.319 politics of it all, which feel very very real, particularly 108 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:35.160 the class politics of it so I think this. 109 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:36.240 Movie is a lot of fun. 110 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:40.560 And I think if you are a fan of watching 111 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:45.480 old TV movies, which I know everybody on this podcast is, 112 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:47.839 and a lot of the people who listen to this 113 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:50.639 podcast are fans of that as well, I think you'll 114 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:52.720 get a lot of enjoyment out of it. 115 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.439 Wonderful. Thank you so much, Julia. I don't know if 116 00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:00.240 you're as huge a TV movie fan, although I we 117 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.519 certainly watch a lot of them because I drag you 118 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.600 into it, unless of not being fair, But what are 119 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:06.639 your what are your thoughts? 120 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:10.000 No, I definitely have some all time favorite movies that 121 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:13.240 were TV movies, like Fatal Vision. Do you remember I 122 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:13.680 loved them? 123 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:14.519 Oh? 124 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:20.360 Absolutely, yeah, Yeah, There's there's so many actually, But anyway, 125 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:23.319 this was Yeah, this was an ABC wide World of 126 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:27.240 Mystery UH series movie, and it came out the week 127 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:29.639 before I turned three years old. So I did not 128 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:34.680 see it when it came out. You don't know, Yeah, 129 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:37.240 knowing my dad, I might have very well been sitting 130 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:41.040 on his lap watching it. So and then the other 131 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:42.800 thing I was going to say about it is that, yeah, 132 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:46.040 that the mansion, the plantation house that it's filmed at, 133 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.680 it's called the Humus Plantation House. And it was also 134 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:53.040 in Hush Hush, Sweet, Hush Hush, Sweet Charlotte and Fletcher. 135 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:54.720 Which we did an episode on. 136 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:57.600 We did not Fletch List, though we haven't done that one. 137 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:02.560 I do you like fleshlift Let's it's interesting. I think 138 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:03.879 it is, you know, as long as you know it's 139 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:06.680 TV movie going in, so your expectations aren't, you know, 140 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:11.399 like you know, cinema level. It's a fun film. But 141 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:14.839 you know, I did find myself a lot trying to 142 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:17.920 figure out, you know, who's the werewolf? And I my 143 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:20.839 first guess was the right one, but then I did 144 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:23.120 go through a few others before we actually came around 145 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:24.959 to who it was. But the first, the first character 146 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.199 I guessed was the right guess, the right one. But 147 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:29.639 it was Yeah, it was fun. I mean, I think 148 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:31.879 I'm looking forward to talking about it because I kind 149 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:34.399 of feel like I haven't really thought through my opinions 150 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:35.960 on it yet, and I think they'll come out as 151 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:37.360 we as we started talking. 152 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.039 Wonderful. Okay, thank you very much, Tony. What do you got? 153 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:43.960 Yeah, I hadn't seen this before, but spotting all of 154 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.919 the character actors in it and there's just a bunch 155 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.600 kind of diving back into that realm where a lot 156 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.519 of these actors and you know, actresses would appear in 157 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:57.320 various TV movies. I just that was great. I thought, 158 00:08:57.480 --> 00:08:59.639 I'm yeah, I want to talk more about it. But 159 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:03.000 there was a time period that just where they did 160 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:05.399 more on location, and I guess it was probably pretty 161 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:09.279 inexpensive to shoot in Louisiana, you know, and I there's 162 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:12.799 something really it felt really authentic, it felt really lived in. 163 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:15.320 You know, I've passed through the area. I've lived close 164 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:17.639 to the area for a long you know, large parts 165 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:19.360 of my life. And you know, there's kind of a 166 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:23.360 blend that's there's like a gradation of East Texas into 167 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:26.320 Louisiana and then back into Mississippi. There's kind of the 168 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.279 borders of all that into Louisiana also kind of have 169 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.519 the same similar feel and the politics are very similar 170 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:34.200 that it's the Deep South. 171 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:34.639 You could. 172 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:37.159 I was saying also, like it's a little bit intense, 173 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:38.919 and I didn't want to watch another intense movie, but 174 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:42.000 I would. I would pair this up with maybe Southern Comfort, uh, 175 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:44.360 you know, which is also you know, really good film 176 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:49.000 as far as flavor and vibe. But yeah, I in 177 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:50.759 fact that you know, I kept the more we were 178 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:53.320 talking about it. I also I wonder, you know, you 179 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:58.600 could just as easily make a Dark Shadows, a deep southern, 180 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:02.919 deep Southern Gothic Dark Shadows, uh, you know, soap opera 181 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:05.240 out of this town or a town similar to it, 182 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:05.840 and I. 183 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:06.360 Would watch that. 184 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:09.840 Yes, I think the closest we had we got is 185 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:12.360 like what True Blood, right, like that in Louisiana. But 186 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:15.759 this has such a different flavor. And I also want 187 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.759 to talk about that because and you're describing. 188 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.720 In the heat of the night with werewolves really. 189 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.519 Yeah, sort of yeah, but like you know, supernatural, Like 190 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:26.240 if you did it like Dark Shadows, it would be all. 191 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:27.200 Kinds of supernatural. 192 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:30.159 Yes, and yes, I would totally watch that. 193 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:30.840 That would be good. 194 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:34.639 But I I enjoyed this movie. But I found myself 195 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:40.120 really the cultural aspects of it all and all of 196 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:44.600 the again, the class system that's here and how the 197 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:49.320 relationships are, like you know, from from the doctor who's 198 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:51.639 kind of too good to be there but he stuck there, 199 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:53.879 to just the you know, the people living in the 200 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:55.960 swamp and then there's people living in town, and then 201 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:59.559 the all that class system. Stuff is just perfect, and 202 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.639 I want to talk more about that as we go along. 203 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:07.200 But I really enjoyed this for a lot of reasons. Yes, 204 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:10.559 it's a lower budget affair by nature, but you know, 205 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.159 I'd stack it against a lot, like there's a lot 206 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:17.000 worse movies than to spend your time on. And I 207 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:19.519 was kind of drawn into it. And the mystery is cool, 208 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:22.679 like Julia said, like I wonder like like the fact 209 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:25.039 that was you know ABC mystery movie. That's pretty good 210 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:26.879 and somebody took a chance instead of doing like a 211 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:29.639 traditional mystery. They're like, Okay, so this this week's mystery 212 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:33.320 movie is were Wolf. Yeah, pretty cool. I gotta say. 213 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.840 We were talking to John Logan a couple of weeks ago, 214 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.919 a couple of episodes ago, and I said something about 215 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:43.039 Royal Dano Like, what's that Royal Dano were wolf movie? 216 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:44.679 He goes, you mean Moon of the Wolf. 217 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:50.360 Like, yeah, this is just so many good actors. 218 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:55.279 Yeah, you know, I want to go straight into the topics, 219 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:58.240 but the only thing I'll say is that this is 220 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:00.399 this is a really well made film, and you raised 221 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.919 a really interesting issue, like there's a TV budget, right, 222 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:06.360 but if you're making a TV movie at least in 223 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:08.879 nineteen seventy two. If you're making a TV movie and 224 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:12.320 you know what your limitations are, you can film around 225 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:14.879 it so that you wind up with something that looks 226 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:19.120 like a movie. You know, that looks basically like you 227 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:22.360 know it because it's a procedural and a lot of 228 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:25.080 it is the sheriff trying to solve this mystery. You 229 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:27.240 don't have to go crazy, you know. The toughest thing 230 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:29.600 they're going to deal with is, of course the werewolf effects. 231 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:33.519 But other than that, you know, it's you know, there 232 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:36.159 are some really great like Salem's Lot, of course, was 233 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:40.080 a TV film, you know, and yeah, I thought this 234 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:43.519 was fantastic. Okay, the first thing I'd like to get 235 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.759 into I want to talk about the cast, but I 236 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.879 think first we should talk about Southern Gothic and the 237 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:51.960 world of this film. So for the listener, if you 238 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:53.679 want to see a Moon of the Wolf, it is 239 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:56.399 free lots of services, so you can see it on TV. 240 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:59.840 If you have a subscription to YouTube like just You 241 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:02.000 two Premium, then you can watch it on YouTube and 242 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.080 there's no ads, or you can watch it on two 243 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:06.039 B it has ads. But the point is there's lots 244 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:07.559 of places where you can see this movie. 245 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.279 Did you watch it on YouTube or TV? 246 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:11.320 I saw it on YouTube? 247 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:14.639 Yeah, oh boy boy? Is it macro blocked it? It 248 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:16.799 doesn't look good at close to the end on TV. 249 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:19.759 The one that I saw it didn't look that bad. 250 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:23.600 But but there might be also multiple versions of it uploaded, 251 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:26.320 so who knows. No. 252 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:27.080 On t B. 253 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:30.679 On t B, the print was, I don't think it's 254 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:32.960 my it was my connection. It was no, I'm sure 255 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.120 you're rough. I mean, it's still look good, but like 256 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:38.600 that's why I was curious. 257 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.240 You might have bet on YouTube. Yeah, but all right, 258 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:46.159 so the Southern Gothic thing as a concept, and we 259 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.919 don't actually get a lot of Southern Gothic stories anymore. 260 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.480 And Drew pointed out this movie really takes advantage of 261 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:55.639 shooting in a southern count But the whole Southern Gothic 262 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:59.039 thing is you're living in a world that is It's 263 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:02.960 like the lumpiness of the of the atmosphere is pulling 264 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.720 the world apart. So everything's old, everything is sweaty, every 265 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:12.559 and and the the things that define it are usually 266 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:19.799 family secrets, family shame, uh, severe gradations in the community, 267 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:23.360 like Tony, you were pointing out all the different layers, 268 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:25.759 like all the layers, because you got the rich guy 269 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:29.360 who lives with his rich sister in the plantation, and 270 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:33.080 then you've got you know, middle class people and like 271 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.159 the doctor, and then you've got civil servants like the sheriff, 272 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:40.519 and then you've got like hillbillies, you know, in in 273 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:43.679 the in the swamp, you got swamp people and they 274 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:47.080 all know one another, and they all move amongst one another, 275 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:50.440 and it's just interesting watching. Like I would say, Tony 276 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:54.679 that we know what those gradations are. The movie shows 277 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:58.000 them without even bothering bothering to explain them generally, you know, 278 00:14:58.159 --> 00:14:59.679 because it's just part of the atmosphere. 279 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:00.399 Uh. 280 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:05.720 You know Quaudia McNeil, who plays what's her Sarah, Like 281 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.759 you know she's lives adjacent and you know she talks 282 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.519 about like, you know, my grandfather worked for your you know, 283 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:19.039 like's and you know they're with the hill abilities. But 284 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:22.559 like how that all plays out, how race relations work 285 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.000 and everything, like every there's all this well there and 286 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:27.360 because I don't. 287 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:33.559 Because this is Louisiana, there's there's another cultural layer because 288 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.399 they they call the area and the swamp where all 289 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:40.480 the poor people live french Town because that's where all 290 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:48.200 exactly Cajun people live. And you know that's while you know, 291 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:51.480 I grew up in Texas, not Louisiana. You know, there 292 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:55.759 definitely was cultural and class divides like that. 293 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:58.399 And well the further you go to East Texas, the 294 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:02.639 more you get that absolutely absolutely. 295 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:02.559 And. 296 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.080 The the you know, the the other thing that I 297 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:12.600 think is interesting about setting this in in this particular 298 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:17.480 because with were wolves, you know, in the rural South, 299 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:21.440 in this particular region of the United States, like there 300 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:24.080 is you know, I almost wish that the movie could 301 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:26.080 have spent a little bit more time on it. But 302 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:31.559 there's very specific were wolf mythology of the rugaroo, which 303 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:35.120 is like a swamp were wolf or a sugarcane were wolf. 304 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:38.639 And not to be confused with the rugaroo with an X, 305 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:42.080 which is when you had flour and butter and make 306 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.519 a creamier are no talking about rude? 307 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:50.279 I got, I understood what you were saying. 308 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:57.440 It was anyway, well, you know, the the you know, 309 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.519 they they don't deal with it too much. I mean, 310 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.799 they have the bit about sulfur in the movie, which is, 311 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:08.160 you know, again it's very specific to this particular type 312 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:12.480 of were wolf mythology, which is like something that was 313 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:16.240 imported from from both you know, you have thelu Guru, 314 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:20.359 which is you know, imported from from France. And then 315 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:23.359 of course there were were German immigrants who brought their 316 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:28.160 own werewolf mythology and this all met in you know, 317 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:32.519 Louisiana and Mississippi in East Texas and became this own 318 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.720 specific you know, I hate to say. 319 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:41.519 This, but American were wolf And I lied. I didn't 320 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:42.480 hate saying that at all. 321 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:48.440 And you know, it's it's not something we see represented 322 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:52.160 in pop culture, but it still has a lot of 323 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:55.880 you know, in in you know, folklore today and there's 324 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.000 even in in I forget the town in Louisiana, but 325 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:03.119 there's even particular town in Louisiana and Louisiana that every 326 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:05.720 October has a rugaroo festival. 327 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.839 So what would you call. 328 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:09.759 An American werewolf in Paris? 329 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:11.200 Uh? 330 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.559 I don't know what I mean, what's what? 331 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:15.759 Uh? What would I call it? 332 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:20.039 Would it be a rugaroo or or garoo? 333 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:26.519 Or I think I think that it's just a werewolf 334 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:27.160 at that point? 335 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:32.559 What what? Wow? Now my ice a crusted. 336 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:39.119 I but you know, the context of the Southern gothic thing. 337 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:44.519 I think that added layer of sort of folk horror 338 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:46.839 kind of adds to this. 339 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:47.400 Well. 340 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:50.559 Also you have the guy who's you know, in his deathbed, 341 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:53.759 who's has the gap, and they just that's just part 342 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:57.000 of like everybody's you know, if you if you're around 343 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:01.400 enough people and especially uh you know, the lower class, 344 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:03.440 you go or somebody will be like, oh, yeah, well 345 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:05.680 you have an aunt who has the gift, or I 346 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:08.559 have a my grandfather would say, you know, like the 347 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:12.599 tales that add to that folk horror. That's part of this. 348 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.319 He knows things that other people don't. They're like he 349 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.480 just knows, like what do you mean? And the share 350 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:19.319 kind of doesn't want to believe it, but also he 351 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:21.559 knows like yeah, I've dealt with that, you know, like 352 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:24.880 how that all those interactions are really great and adds 353 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:28.519 so the really grounds it in that Deep South folk 354 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:31.519 horror tradition and that I think that stuff is awesome too. 355 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:36.920 The it's I want to read this book because it 356 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:40.720 just strikes me has it's so neat that they decided 357 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.039 to set it here, because it just it's such a 358 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.400 cliche to say that the setting is almost a character. 359 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:48.559 But just think about it if you had set this 360 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:51.839 in like downtown Toronto or something, you know, and so 361 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:55.200 you got these I don't know, you've got the rich 362 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:57.640 couple and a bunch of people of rich siblings and 363 00:19:57.640 --> 00:19:59.480 a bunch of people who are not rich. It just 364 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:02.200 wouldn't have the flavor that it does, you know. And 365 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:03.960 same thing if you had put it in the French 366 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:07.160 Quarter instead, you know, being in these backwards and in 367 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.279 these you know, if you look at the house, the 368 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:13.519 buildings outside, the old man, you know his where he's convalescing, 369 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:17.079 those buildings are falling down, and it's amazing looking, you know, 370 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:19.359 it really real place. 371 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:25.440 I also think the relationships in this, you know, follow 372 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:31.640 that certain Southern Gothic tradition and it adds because like, really, 373 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:36.200 if you were to just do this as a random 374 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:39.440 werewolf movie, it would feel quite generic. 375 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:41.880 So what you're saying about. 376 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:46.960 The the place making it giving it character. 377 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:48.799 Like I really love. 378 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:53.279 I talked about this with Tony before we started recording, 379 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:55.680 but one of the things I love most in this 380 00:20:55.839 --> 00:21:01.039 movie is when the cop, the sheriff, the sheriff, yeah, 381 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:05.119 goes the visit the the you know, the rich, the 382 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:09.279 rich gentleman and the Southern gentleman and his sister and 383 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:14.200 in in you know, their home, and the sister reveals 384 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:16.839 that she used to have a crush on on the 385 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:19.359 sheriff when they were in junior high. And then he said, oh, well, 386 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:21.640 I had a crush on you too, And then after 387 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:24.839 she goes back in the si back inside, in the 388 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:31.839 most genteel Southern way possible, he says, essentially, no, I 389 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:35.279 am not letting my sister, who is from a good family, 390 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:41.039 data policeman, and that that is so, you know, that 391 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.279 sort of upper crusty southernness, like, oh no, you have 392 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.960 to be with somebody from a good family. Yeah, you know, 393 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:52.440 it doesn't matter that you're the top cop of this town. 394 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:58.680 Like that's not good enough. You could see you. 395 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:01.440 Could see the disdain on his face immediately. At first 396 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:04.440 I didn't know there was there were I didn't know 397 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:06.559 they were siblings. I was like, is this her husband, 398 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:08.759 and she's just like flirting in front of him, and 399 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:10.000 I was like, oh no, it's the brother. 400 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:12.920 He just really is disgusted by the idea. 401 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:15.160 You're the help. You're the help. My sister is not 402 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:16.160 going to date the help. 403 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:20.200 And that still goes on, like if you were to 404 00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:22.319 be if you were to go to a small southern 405 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:28.480 town right now, that pattern of behavior still exists, and 406 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.680 there's this very polite way of telling someone to fuck 407 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:38.039 off without actually saying fuck off, and that actor nails 408 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:40.680 it like it's it's so let's talk. 409 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:45.599 About Yeah that is it's the Blessed, It's the Blessed, 410 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:46.359 bless his heart. 411 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:53.039 Yeah, Yeah, there's so much really great dialogue that this 412 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:56.400 is something I'm you know, sorry to know on this 413 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:59.680 a little bit longer, Jason, But I don't know. I mean, 414 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:02.559 we're we're what fifty years out from this is the. 415 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:04.759 Seventies, Yeah, this nineteen seventy two. 416 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:08.480 So yeah, so we're we're you know, but it's it's 417 00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:12.759 more rare now in my opinion, that you see that 418 00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:15.279 you have dialogue that's written. And I don't know if 419 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:19.519 it's just people like maybe the writer knew either ay 420 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:22.599 either the really good writers, or they knew the area 421 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:24.559 in a way, you know, like they knew how to 422 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:27.319 build this. And I don't know if it's just you 423 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:29.920 get a bunch of people who aren't as familiar and 424 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:32.440 maybe don't know, like it's like if you tried to 425 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:35.279 ape Stephen King, you're gonna have a hard time unless 426 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:38.079 you kind of know that. But I was really struck 427 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:41.279 by all of those layers that Drew's been talking about. 428 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:44.319 But also there there was a lot there's there was 429 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:46.759 a lot more of this in the seventies and into 430 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:51.720 the eighties. And even though it's done kind of hamp bistedly, 431 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:53.480 like there's a even if you go with like the 432 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:56.519 dukes of Hazard Route, there's still like a touch of 433 00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:57.880 the flavor that's still. 434 00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:59.400 There, you know that. 435 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:01.599 I mean, it's hazard, but it's still had. There's there's 436 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:04.039 stuff there that that touches in the Deep South in 437 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:06.839 a way that I think modern stuff that I've seen 438 00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:10.200 is kind of set in Louisiana or around there doesn't 439 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:13.440 feel as authentic. And I'm really, I still really curious 440 00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:17.039 what that is, Like, is it familiarity that was there before? 441 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:19.839 Is it just you know, being steeped in that, Like 442 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:23.440 I'm unsure, But all the dialogue that takes place in 443 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:26.400 the and the layers that are there really work, And 444 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:28.559 then you know, I and I really like actually their 445 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:31.440 interaction was just really charming. That's why I thought about 446 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:34.839 the soap opera aspect. Yes, you know, they're kind of 447 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.160 going back and forth, and oh, you know, I wish 448 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:38.720 I would have known that you had a crush. But 449 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:42.079 now that there's there's a lot there, like, I think 450 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:45.039 that elevates it beyond kind of like there's a bunch 451 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:46.839 that's not when you when you say. 452 00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:47.519 Oh, movie of the week. 453 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:49.400 Yes, I think. 454 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.119 There's a there's a lot of it's multi layered in 455 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:53.799 a way that you wouldn't expect when you when you 456 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.160 hear movie of the week as a as a term 457 00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:56.480 for this. 458 00:24:56.559 --> 00:24:59.200 Okay, I agree with that. I mean, you're right because 459 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.079 a lot of times it will be sort of generic 460 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:03.880 because it's just taking place in and around, in and 461 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:06.200 around a city like Los Angeles or what have you. 462 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:09.839 Whereas this, yes, this knows a lot about that world. 463 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:11.960 And by the way, to answer your question about you know, 464 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:15.400 how familiar is the writer? So I don't know much 465 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.160 about Leslie H. Whitten. He's the one who wrote the book. 466 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.400 But the director is Daniel Petrie. Now he is not 467 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:24.400 part of this world at all. He was a Canadian 468 00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:27.440 and he came to the United States and taught at 469 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:30.440 Northwestern and directed Raisin in the Sun, which by the way, 470 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:33.880 starred Claudia McNeil, so he brings her over from having 471 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:35.759 directed Raisin the Sun, which I think is awesome. 472 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:39.400 I mean that might be part of the foundation for it, 473 00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:40.160 right because. 474 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:43.599 It's, yeah, he's aware of how to play all these 475 00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:46.559 characters from different parts of life off of one another. 476 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:50.559 For sure. I think we can linger on all of 477 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:52.880 that because I want to talk about some of these 478 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.319 actors in particular, because we'll get to Bradford Dillman, but 479 00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:02.160 David Jansen. I wish I understood how people thought about 480 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:04.960 David Jansen, because David Jansen is the star of this movie, 481 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:07.720 and he's the one with the romantic storyline, and he's 482 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:10.640 the one who's investigating, and yet with the hair that 483 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:14.079 he has and the sideburns and the paunch and the 484 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:18.480 slumping and the grumbling, I'm always liked, did anybody go 485 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:22.519 David Janssen sex god like that? It was there was? 486 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:25.480 You know, have things changed so much since the seventies 487 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:28.160 that back then David Jansen was a heart throb or 488 00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:30.640 was always just a character actor that people just that 489 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:32.640 was beloved of people, You know what I mean? 490 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:36.480 Both things can be true because there's plenty of character 491 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:39.720 actors that a lot of people find really attractive. Like 492 00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:42.400 there's a lot of movies where Yeah, I mean, I 493 00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:45.240 was telling I was joking when we were leaving we 494 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:47.960 went to see Weapons last night. I was joking seeing 495 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:50.680 all the posters that Pedro Pascal is on and by 496 00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:53.240 the way, he was meant to be in Weapons also, 497 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:58.240 But I was joking that it's like that Jonathan episode 498 00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:00.880 of Buffy where the reality he has shifted to the 499 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:02.599 Jonathan's the center of the universe, and I'm like, it's 500 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:08.160 Pedro Pascal. Pedro Pascal is not traditionally just hot, but 501 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.119 he's very sexy because of how he is, you know, 502 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:14.079 so he's become this heart. But if you were to 503 00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:16.440 look at a picture of Pedro Pascal and a picture 504 00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.680 of Chris Almans and Chris Hemsworth, you'd be like, Okay, 505 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.359 I get those two, but that guy really like how 506 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:22.359 he was like the center of. 507 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:24.000 The universe in twenty twenty five. 508 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:26.720 So, I mean, I feel like that's kind of what 509 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:27.039 it is. 510 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:31.599 I don't Jamie thinks he's he's really hot, so I 511 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:33.039 I'll have to ask about it. 512 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:35.880 Yeah, everybody thinks he's hot, but I don't think that 513 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:37.759 if you just looked at a picture of him. 514 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:40.200 I mean, I think he's better looking than I think 515 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.799 he's better looking than me, but that doesn't say anything. 516 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:43.960 He's also a movie star. 517 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:46.160 I will I will not comment on this. 518 00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:48.720 I'm just saying that I'm not asking you too. That 519 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:49.119 would be. 520 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:56.000 Awkward, Pascal for coming next to like the traditional you know, 521 00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:57.359 just like hot guy. 522 00:27:57.720 --> 00:27:59.519 I don't know that you would recognize. 523 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:03.559 And the super in the sphere of superhero movies. I 524 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:08.480 will say this, it does help that he is playing 525 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:13.880 a character that's his biggest muscle is his brain, like 526 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:17.039 he's not supposed to be He's not supposed to be 527 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:20.680 thor I think Jami actually just. 528 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:23.359 Walked Jimmy actually, Jimmy actually just walked in here, hold 529 00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:25.720 on here. Never mind. 530 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.799 Then, I don't necessarily want us to go off on 531 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.640 a pedro Pascal hunt. I'm curious about David Janssen. 532 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.880 So Jason, I think to your point, though, I think 533 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:42.039 that also in this era, the heart robby kind of actors, 534 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:44.799 or the actors who were considered attractive, I think they 535 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:48.640 did also skew older. When you think of TV like 536 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.079 look at look at what's out right? Like you're like 537 00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:55.000 heart heart and you know whatever, like you name it. 538 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.759 There's a bunch of older actors and acts. 539 00:28:57.839 --> 00:28:59.960 That's a good point because Darren McGavin also is kind 540 00:28:59.960 --> 00:29:01.200 of a krusty you know. 541 00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:04.400 Yeah, but like I just I just pulled one. 542 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:07.440 Out, like hold hold the phone, like whatever you think 543 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.759 about this Sky Jason, he's better looking than Darren McGavin. 544 00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:14.880 I love David Jensen, don't get me wrong. And I 545 00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.799 loved The Fugitive by the way, David Jensen not for nothing, 546 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:21.279 forty one years old in this movie forty one or 547 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:22.160 that one. 548 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.119 You're more so at the same time, you have like 549 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.160 so you have like the other end of the spectrum, 550 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.440 be like hardy boys, right. Yeah, But I would say 551 00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:35.119 that in general during this time period, you do have 552 00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.440 a lot of older actors who are considered the heart 553 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.440 props and less and you and it's kind of like, 554 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.039 now we kind of reached this like oh, well, you 555 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:46.480 got to have hot person of a certain age with 556 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:50.240 a certain look. And I also that that well hold up. 557 00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.759 I think also that gets typecast because you have the 558 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:56.640 other thing where you have oh, it's a CW cast, right, 559 00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.720 and that became like the movies like oh, it's like 560 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.680 looks like c W. Right, Yeah, young attractive people. 561 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:06.920 Well, I mean think about the Fog remake where. 562 00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:10.160 We had yes, exactly exact guy from. 563 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:14.720 From Smallville playing right like, but I mean, of course 564 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:16.279 that's now twenty something. 565 00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:19.319 But they took you're right because the original The Fog 566 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.480 has all the character actors in it and did not. 567 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:23.720 Yeah, but like. 568 00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:29.480 My point about this guy is that he is good 569 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.480 looking in a way that he would be considered good 570 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.960 looking in a small town, right, but he is also 571 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:40.680 believably a sheriff, Like he looks like he could do 572 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.359 the job, which, to Tony's point, I do think they 573 00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:48.119 used to care a lot more about that authen like 574 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:53.519 you can believe that this this attractive you know, well 575 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.519 to do woman is attracted to him because he's handsome 576 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:01.440 and charismatic enough. Yes, you know, like I never once 577 00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:04.359 questioned that she she has a thing for. 578 00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.240 Him, mamily. I mean he's like yeah, yeah. 579 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.000 Yeah, and that you know again when we are introduced 580 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.920 to them, they have a history, yes, so that and 581 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:14.079 that makes a lot of sense. 582 00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.720 But I also, like Julia just hit something on the head. 583 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.839 Manliness is its own kind of attractiveness, Like, like it's 584 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:25.799 not you know, like it's why we say certain people 585 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:29.519 look rugged, you know, like that's not you know, like 586 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:30.519 like Clint. 587 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:34.720 Eastwood, why there's fireman calendars? You know, yeah, well just 588 00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:37.720 and they go, yes, please, And it doesn't matter what 589 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:38.400 the guy looks like. 590 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:39.480 He's fireball. 591 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.759 And I mean even in in gay culture, you know, 592 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:49.440 which is generally more physically fit than than heteros. The 593 00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:52.759 uh you know you have bear you know, which are 594 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:57.039 big burly dudes, and so like, you know, like it's 595 00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.960 it's it's not as improbable as you think it is. 596 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:01.880 Jason, I don't. 597 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:05.839 Think it's improbable. I asked the question more to sort 598 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.920 of take a look at at sort of how things 599 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:14.440 have changed. I feel like there was room for David Jansen, 600 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.599 a forty one year old guy who looks about fifty eight, 601 00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:21.839 to be the star of and romantic lead of this movie. 602 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.640 And thank god for the rest of us poor well. 603 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.039 You know he I think you're doing him at disservice. 604 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.039 I don't think he looks fifty eight, but. 605 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:32.279 You know, I. 606 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.400 Well, look fifty, look fifty. Something is different now from 607 00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:39.519 what it was in nineteen seventy. 608 00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:41.680 That is true. That is true because he. 609 00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:44.359 Can get his hair different into you know, blah blah blah. 610 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.559 But he would look also look less like a small 611 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.240 town cop if he for sure. 612 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:51.839 Oh yeah, well that's that's exactly the fog problem is 613 00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.440 once you get rid of the lived in sorts of actors, 614 00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:00.480 then it feels more like like a CW show would have. 615 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:02.960 You would have a scene, you would have the obliglatory 616 00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:06.559 scene where he shows off his Jim jim perfectly sculpted 617 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:11.039 apps and you know, like. 618 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:11.359 But only one guy. 619 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:14.480 Yeah, there's there's a big difference though, too. Like Rain 620 00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:17.640 was watching some man I can't remember the name of it, 621 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.240 but it's a you know, thriller mystery soap opera show, 622 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:25.119 and you know, all the guys have like a generic 623 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:29.039 facial hair and very are very chiseled, and they're the 624 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.200 bad guys and they're the cops, and they're like, all 625 00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:37.640 these guys look really similar and you know, and by 626 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:42.559 the standards today, they're all attractive guys, right and and 627 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.279 they but I'll be damned if I know who like, 628 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.519 I'll pass by and watch it. I don't know, like 629 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.119 they don't have the real Another reason why we keep 630 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.359 saying lived in is they everybody looks everybody looks like 631 00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.720 the character, and that's part of like, hey, let's hire 632 00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:57.759 a bunch of good actors who also happen to be 633 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.039 character actors. We're gonna put him in this thing. And 634 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.720 I think, yeah, I think if you you, I think 635 00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.319 you hit on the head with the difference between original 636 00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.960 fog and the new fog. Like that, we tend to 637 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.400 get more of what the new fog looks like in 638 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:15.719 in conventional cinema as it is now conventional. 639 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.199 Yeah, I mean I also. 640 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:19.920 Think it's the same, right. 641 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:20.800 I think there's. 642 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:27.599 Also a homogeny of what you're supposed to think is attractive. 643 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:33.599 Now you know, you're you're only allowed one or two types. 644 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:35.039 Interesting. 645 00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.880 Yeah, but Barbara. 646 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:41.880 Rush, getting this into the direction that Jason wants to go, 647 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:46.239 is the most movie star looking person in this movie. 648 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:52.960 She's she's stunning, she's on her clothes. But yeah, continued, 649 00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:57.480 she works because of where her social standing is, like 650 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.159 she should be a little bit more glamorous because she's 651 00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:03.280 supposed to be well off. 652 00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:03.719 Yeah. 653 00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:09.199 Yeah, what Jason was saying, I did feel like all 654 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:10.440 of the clothes and I don't know if it's just 655 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.320 the clothes of that time, they all look like somebody 656 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.400 made them out of one of those patterns that you 657 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.480 could get at the you know, at the local fabric store. 658 00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.920 Yeah, I mean I do think. I think that that's 659 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:27.239 probably pretty close from I mean, yeah, that is the 660 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:31.079 disservice of the Stephanie. There's a lot of fashions like, oh, 661 00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:32.960 why is everything drapes right? 662 00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:35.760 Her hair is? Her hair is amazing? 663 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:36.079 Though. 664 00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:39.159 Oh yeah, yeah, she's beautiful. 665 00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:43.159 She's supposed to be because she's you know, her standing 666 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.639 is head and shoulders above pretty much everybody else in 667 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:47.119 the movie. 668 00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:54.800 And I also really like that this is a romance 669 00:35:55.559 --> 00:36:00.960 that is, first of all played very sweet and almost yeah, 670 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:04.719 and it's between two people in their forties, which I 671 00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:05.920 don't think you would see now. 672 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.719 Isn't that great? I mean it is. It's it's it's 673 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:10.440 kind of cool. Well, I mean I say this as 674 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:13.519 an older person, you know, but it is. It's it's 675 00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.320 cool to see them sort of fumbling their way through 676 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.000 this this romance. They're sweet, her in her pants suits, 677 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:25.360 it's it's it's really neat. Bradford Dilman, who plays the douchebag, 678 00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:28.559 who says, well, you don't suppose that my sister was 679 00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:31.639 seriously flirting with you. Blah blah blah. That guy plays 680 00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:34.159 a douchebag in every single thing I've ever seen him in. 681 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:38.119 I I it's like it's on his punchable face that 682 00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:42.440 like some some casting director said, yep, get me a 683 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:43.239 Bradford Dillman. 684 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.679 I always wonder. I'm sure there's a bunch of people 685 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.239 who are just great people, but there's certain actors who 686 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.719 always play that. Yes, I kind of you start you 687 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:57.079 do start to wonder, like are you how close? 688 00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:58.559 Is that sucks? 689 00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.599 I because you know, I there's there's several people who 690 00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:04.239 just like when you ever see him, you're like, oh, 691 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:06.639 they're gonna play the guy you just want to hate. 692 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.239 Yeah, and they never they. 693 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:10.280 Seem to get a lot of work there. But then 694 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:12.960 I wonder, like, how long can you were they that person? 695 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.119 And how long can you be that character in all 696 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.039 these movies and not have it rub like at least 697 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.039 a little bit. I'm always curious about you. 698 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.320 Know, he probably was a great guy, like I. 699 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:28.239 Always assume, But then, like you know, it's it's always 700 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:32.559 it's always strange when you have a character character actor 701 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.800 who's like very specific, like. 702 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:39.159 It's not like villain villain, but like a really like, oh, 703 00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:43.760 that guy just gets he's it might be his general 704 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:47.400 upper crusty southernness in this movie. 705 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:49.679 I would describe this guy as a cat. 706 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:55.280 That is, that is delightfully punishable. He uh. In real life, 707 00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:58.480 so he had two marriages, one from fifty six to 708 00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:01.440 sixty two, and then he married again in sixty three 709 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:04.760 and remained married until two thousand and three when his 710 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:08.039 wife died. So so I don't know, you know, somebody 711 00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:11.119 could stand him for a long time. Probably this is 712 00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:14.599 acting and he's like, you know, but boy, he's good 713 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:15.920 at playing a smug asshole. 714 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.599 Yeah, I mean, in fairness, he's the title character. 715 00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.760 Yes, which I know that this is supposed to be 716 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:30.119 a mystery. Yeah, but not once did I think anybody 717 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.639 else was the werewolf the first time I saw this, 718 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:34.440 like I knew. 719 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.320 Well, I was hoping, Yeah, he seemed obvious, But then 720 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.719 I was hoping that he was too obvious, Like I 721 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:41.679 was like, maybe it's that turns out to be the sister, 722 00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.280 or maybe it turns out it's actually the sheriff, or 723 00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.400 maybe it turns out it's actually the doctor. You know, 724 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:48.960 because it seemed too obvious. 725 00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:52.280 For it's it wasn't, because this is a Southern Gothic 726 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:56.159 it had to be somebody that was rich like that 727 00:38:56.920 --> 00:39:00.760 could have been the sister if they wanted to be 728 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.599 even you know, something more tragic, but it was going 729 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:07.480 to be somebody. And indeed, like when we when we 730 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:12.199 learned the origin of the lycanthropy, it's it's something that's 731 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:17.280 apparently passed down through the family line, so like it's 732 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:22.000 it's you know, it's it's almost as if there were 733 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:27.400 wolf ism and their their affluence are kind of tied together, 734 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.840 and they're they're literally feeding on the poor, which is 735 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:37.199 probably it's it's probably you know that that's probably more 736 00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.360 of a high falutin idea than anybody involved with this 737 00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:44.000 was thinking. But you know, I mean it is it 738 00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:48.079 works very well within the Southern Gothic framework. 739 00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.119 I mean, if it was you know, close, and that 740 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.719 would be close to reality. In fact, the closest reality 741 00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:59.400 would be if somebody else knew, the doctor or a 742 00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:02.159 judge or somebody. Yeah, we know that they're we know 743 00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:04.719 that they're rich, and they are also wear wolves, but 744 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.679 they only kind of eat the poor, so we kind 745 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:12.360 of let them like that. That would definitely happen, no 746 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.559 doubt about in my mind that if if it came 747 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:18.119 out like yeah, but they gotta let him eat the 748 00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:23.000 poor because like that that absolutely, hands down, there would 749 00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.000 be some people who knew and just look the other 750 00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:27.480 way that I'm convinced. 751 00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:31.239 The Jeffrey Lewis character is definitely set up as like 752 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:34.000 a red herring, like right down to the fact that 753 00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:37.639 his name is Lawrence y you know, and. 754 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.960 And lewis playing the same part that he plays in 755 00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:42.760 Salem's Lot more or less. 756 00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:47.519 And he's even left handed, which is a bit of 757 00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:52.639 where wolf folklore, because where wolves, people who are left 758 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.440 handed were thought to be where wolves. 759 00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.159 So you know that's really they're they're stress this family. 760 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.840 Yeah, well, you know the. 761 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.920 Jeffrey Lewis, let's linger on him for just a moment, 762 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:12.800 because he's another just ultra reliable. Look, David Jansen's a star. Okay, 763 00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:15.679 he's not a character actor. He's he was the lead 764 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.800 of a bunch of TV shows, including The Fugitive. But 765 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:22.519 Jeffrey Lewis is a character actor. Tried and true. He 766 00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:24.960 he and when I was a kid, he was everywhere 767 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:27.880 like he just yeah, he's on so many movies and 768 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.119 he's wonderful. I have no idea what he was like 769 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.920 as a person, you know, which is true of several 770 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.039 of these people, because I feel the same way about 771 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.199 Royal Dan, and I've got no idea like but Jeffrey 772 00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:41.280 Lewis is so good at playing these sort of rough 773 00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:46.639 around the edges, although not typically malevolent characters, you know, 774 00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:49.880 And and like I guess Juliet Lewis could tell us 775 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.840 what he was like. But yeah, it's so good seeing him, and. 776 00:41:54.719 --> 00:42:00.000 Yeah, well he he has a very very very interesting 777 00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.440 look about him that could imply malevolence, which is why 778 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:10.559 he makes such a striking vampire in Salem's Lot, and 779 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:14.880 so you can kind of believe that he's a were wolf. 780 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:18.199 But I again, I never would have suspected him because 781 00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:19.840 I just you just know, it's not going to be 782 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:20.840 one of the poor people. 783 00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:21.159 You know. 784 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.119 That did not even occur to me. But I guess 785 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:26.679 you're right that that I didn't really suspect him of 786 00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:29.760 being a were wolf. I knew it was gonna You're 787 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.599 exactly right. I didn't even think about it. You're articulating 788 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.719 something that was going on without my actually thinking it aloud, 789 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.800 which there was no way it was going to be 790 00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:41.400 anybody but essentially part of the upper crust. 791 00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:44.119 Or I was hoping it would be the doctor maybe 792 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:45.440 because I thought that would have been fun. 793 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.840 That guy's from General Hospital, by the way, and doctor 794 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.119 doctor werewolf EMPD Yes. 795 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:56.440 Doctor doctor third in my class, m d. Doctor knocked 796 00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:57.400 out the dead woman. 797 00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.000 Yeah, that doctor third in your class is not the 798 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:02.400 flex you think it is. 799 00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:06.320 What an amazing guy. That was where I thought this 800 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.400 script is a little funny because this actor saying these 801 00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:13.119 lines like I couldn't stay away from this young woman. 802 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.519 Then I gave her a bubble too of a musicer 803 00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:19.559 like it that I like this guy being here. There's 804 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.280 something funny and counterintuitive about it. 805 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.480 But who starts their life over at fifty? 806 00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.760 Yeah, well I think he's also like I like that 807 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:33.719 once because he's trying to just, you know, I gotta 808 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.599 do my doctor thing. And then the more he talks, 809 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:39.280 the more you realize this is a man trapped in 810 00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:42.800 a place he did not see himself being trapped in, yes, 811 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:46.079 and he just kind of well, I'm stuck in you know, 812 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:49.079 b F Louisiana, and that's my lot in life. And 813 00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:51.719 that's why eventually he comes to this lee. They can't 814 00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.920 start over in the city at fifty. Nobody's you know, 815 00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.559 but his life the. 816 00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:01.199 Word fifty by the way, because well I think he 817 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:03.119 left behind a few years ago. 818 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:07.559 Well but but you know, his whole thing is I'm 819 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:09.000 stuck with these rubes. 820 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:10.440 Yeah, but also I'm not. 821 00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.679 I'm not much better, but I have my you know, 822 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:14.599 I feel like I am because I'm a doctor. 823 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:17.920 Right, He's this giant fish in a little pond. And 824 00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:20.360 if and that's kind of what he really means is 825 00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:21.559 that he has station here. 826 00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:24.639 You know, if he but suck, it's a cage. It's 827 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.239 like it's a cage for him as well as you know, Hey, 828 00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.360 he's the he gets respect in ways that he might 829 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:34.480 not elsewhere. Certainly not like you know, go to the 830 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.840 city is what he's talking about. Third year class as 831 00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:39.480 a matter in the city, right, and probably if you're 832 00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:42.719 starting over well yeah, but but you know, like so 833 00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:45.840 he's he's comfortable. And that's part of why, you know, 834 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.760 why he's got the young girl and and all of 835 00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:51.519 you know, all these all this stuff that's happening is 836 00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:55.639 because he's definitely in a place he never envisioned himself. 837 00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:58.320 And throughout the movie, it's just getting worse. 838 00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:00.400 Yeah, you know that that is a that is a 839 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:03.440 really cool character and it makes me want to read 840 00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:07.519 this book even more. And as you're talking about it, Yeah, 841 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.880 this is a procedural so setting up these different, these 842 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:17.519 different you know, possible culprits. Right, because the Sarah, the nurse, says, 843 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:19.480 find out who made the girl pregnant. That's going to 844 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:23.280 be your your bad guy. And but David Jansen. 845 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:25.719 Essentially why I wanted him to be the werewolf because 846 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:27.880 I wanted her to be right that he's the one 847 00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:29.480 I knocked her up, so therefore he killed her. 848 00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.519 Right, But no, it was it wasn't that at all. 849 00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:36.239 And you know, also the the the other part of 850 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:40.119 the dynamic in this is when she's talking to the sheriff. 851 00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.480 Because of the politics of the town, not the sheriff 852 00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:46.079 has to listen because he knows he's got to be everywhere. 853 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:48.800 But she also knows that. The part of the reason 854 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:51.440 she hasn't said anything elsewhere is because she knows her 855 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:53.679 voice won't be heard. Yeah, the sheriff is the only 856 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:58.079 person by by default, even though he's like a nicer guy. Yeah, 857 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:01.159 you could play this a bunch of ways. You know, 858 00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.840 he could be much worse, but you know he's there 859 00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:06.599 to listen to everyone. Yeah, And so part of the 860 00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.639 reasons she's cagey in the way that she is until 861 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:11.840 she's talking to him is because you know, in this 862 00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:15.000 town she doesn't have any or doesn't have as much hand, 863 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:20.199 you know, because like it's certainly, certainly she's not the 864 00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.039 one who can speak against the doctor. 865 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.280 Right, that's right, and there's a there's a thing. So 866 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.480 you could present the sheriff in a lot of different ways, 867 00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:29.960 because he could be an evil, corrupt sheriff, but in 868 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:33.159 this case, you have a good sheriff. And in a mystery, 869 00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:36.960 typically and usually it's a pi. What what distinguishes the 870 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.400 hero in one of these stories is that they're kind 871 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.800 of an insider outsider. They're an insider that can move 872 00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:47.159 through all They can move up and down, they can 873 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.280 go to the lowliest cabin, they can go to the 874 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.840 biggest house. They can kind of put up with people 875 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.199 being snied to them no matter what, you know. And 876 00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:58.280 that's a cool character that you know, and it's true, 877 00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:01.280 like everybody knows they can talk to this guy. Look, 878 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.119 he's he's investigating this murder and he's hanging out with 879 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.480 all the people who might be the culprit, like all 880 00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.000 the way through which I which I find strange and 881 00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:12.800 comforting really that that he's like, yeah, well, why don't 882 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.159 you come along? It's it's right, yeah. 883 00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:20.079 Well, and apparently this guy does know he's a were 884 00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.000 wolf because he kept a gun fully loaded with silver 885 00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:28.400 bullets in his home, so like he's he's really only 886 00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.119 hanging out with the sheriff, either to find out how 887 00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:35.079 much the sheriff knows or I don't know. 888 00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:38.119 Convenient meal, I don't know. 889 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:42.159 The lord doesn't include silver bullets in this one. It's 890 00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:43.639 blessed bullets because I don't think. 891 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.639 Well she said blessed blessed silver bullets. 892 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.159 Oh doesssed silver bullets? 893 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:55.119 Okay, but burning or blessed silver bullets either. Either way, 894 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:57.719 he knows he's a were wolf. He's got he's got 895 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.400 he's got a gun loaded up with with the magic 896 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:04.440 bullets in the in the in his home. 897 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:09.519 So yeah, in a sense, he's biding his time until 898 00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.119 he finally reveals himself and and and gets himself killed 899 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.400 by his sister, which by the way, is also wonderfully 900 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:19.440 she she's great. 901 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.119 In the last scene though, like is harrowing? Is that 902 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:24.920 all is yea for her? 903 00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:31.119 You know, like she's not exactly a shrinking violet like 904 00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:34.559 she becomes you know, like she becomes basically the hero 905 00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:39.719 and the last section of the movie, you know, like 906 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:45.000 she's taken care of taking care of business what. 907 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:48.960 Barbara Stanwick wasn't available and and so you know we 908 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.840 have we have Barbara Barbara Russia. But that's exactly a 909 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:52.800 Standwarik kind of thing. 910 00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:58.559 She What's interesting to me is like the mixture of 911 00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:03.880 like classic where we'll movie lore with like the the 912 00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:06.960 you know, the Rugarou stuff, because like you have this 913 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:11.679 guy having a seizure because he smelled the sulfur. But 914 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:16.320 also you know, they mentioned the whole bit about you know, 915 00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:20.679 him seeing a pentagram in the palm of his next victim, 916 00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:23.760 which is is you know, a straight lift from the 917 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.159 wolf Man. You know, it's not it's not something from 918 00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:33.480 Rugaru stuff. So like it's like sort of like mix 919 00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.760 mix and match where wolf folks, which is fine, you know, 920 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:41.079 like it's it's okay, I'm not complaining. I just I 921 00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:45.239 just find that they use like were wolf shorthand for 922 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.320 one thing, but then they'll introduce something completely you know, 923 00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:54.800 specific to the setting, like the sulfur, and you know 924 00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:57.159 that that's. 925 00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:57.639 Cool to me. 926 00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.400 She does try to burn her brother alive, which is 927 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:06.039 a lot dark like he he ends up getting shot, 928 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.880 which is a is a much nicer way to go that, 929 00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:11.199 presumably even if you're a werewolf. 930 00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.920 Yeah, this is I do kind of like that, and 931 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.400 we kind of know we know why he's having the 932 00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:22.320 seizure or we're pretty sure, but I do like the 933 00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:26.119 in world story where it's also could just be like, well, 934 00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.320 you know the rich are kind of weak bread like 935 00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:35.039 there's a yeah, well, well there's there's always the like, yeah, 936 00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:38.000 well the rich folks are kind of have their their problem. 937 00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:41.079 Their blood problems are their face like like all the 938 00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:44.840 kind of in breeding slash, you know, all the maladies 939 00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:47.239 of the rich. It kind of makes sense to like, yeah, 940 00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:49.199 it was always a sickly one, you know. 941 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.239 Well, and he's even he's even saying that his sister 942 00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:57.159 is sickly. You know, like yes, you half expect him 943 00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:59.480 to go, well, I how to how to touch us 944 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:01.639 the vapor buzz right, right. 945 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:01.639 But. 946 00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:07.559 Yeah, we we're okay with that given the you know, 947 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.400 royalty just sometimes as these maladies. 948 00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:14.880 Isn't that wild? Like once this world fantastic? Yeah, I 949 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:18.880 mean you accept it because you're in this Southern Gothic world. 950 00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:23.199 Anytime there's these weeping willows around everywhere, suddenly it's you 951 00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:27.840 can hear people talk about these sort of silly nineteenth 952 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:32.800 century ideas of medicine and everything, and you go, yeah, okay, sure, 953 00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:37.440 because we've suspended all all scientific rules and we're we're 954 00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:39.480 in weird Southern Gothic lands now. 955 00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:43.800 So yeah, I you know, I also like the werewolf, 956 00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:46.440 and again they're smart. We only kind of see the 957 00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:49.519 wholf and it's a very human looking werewolf. But I 958 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:53.639 also liked the jail break in yes it and I 959 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:56.760 guess you know so also I was thinking the closest 960 00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:00.159 I think we've had to like a Precinct thirteen with 961 00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.920 werewolves's probably dog soldiers, right. But I would also totally watch, 962 00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.400 and I don't know if I've seen it, a oopster 963 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:12.159 happens to be a werewolf in prison. That that is 964 00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:14.440 a movie I would also watch. That would be cool. 965 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.440 Well, that sounds like alien in a prison. 966 00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:19.840 Yeah, but you could do a lot with that. But anyway, 967 00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:21.920 I was like, I was it made you know, that 968 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:24.800 said all kinds of wheels in motion, Uh seeing that 969 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.559 because you know, we don't I guess, you know, I 970 00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.559 guess the original world, you know Werewolf movies, he's he 971 00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:34.000 hides in the in the jail to try to like, hey, 972 00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:36.519 lock me in here. We have the opposite where he's 973 00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:38.559 trying to cover up you know, the Werewolve's trying to 974 00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:42.440 cover up his trail. Yeah, totally busting into the like 975 00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.000 all that. That's that stuff was cool. It's you know, 976 00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:48.079 strong as hell, like, yeah, that's and that's at the 977 00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:50.480 point where they know, like this isn't just a murderer. 978 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:53.599 This this whatever is going on, can rip the whole 979 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:56.199 you know, doors off of a cell. 980 00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:01.960 All because none of them are strong enough to tear 981 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:04.719 out iron bars. 982 00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:08.280 I thought that was that was cool. That was unexpected 983 00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:11.199 and interesting and made me think about a lot of 984 00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:14.079 stuff that could be written then would be awesome. But 985 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.760 I think in here it's really solid. Plus they have 986 00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.519 the you know, before this, they do have the like, yeah, 987 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:24.559 sleep it off kind of the almost Maybury. 988 00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:26.039 Like yes, yeah we know you're here, but. 989 00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:30.599 You know we know you and that that stuff is 990 00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:34.480 truly only really happens in small towns because everybody knows 991 00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:36.719 each other and like, yeah, like we got to keep 992 00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:39.159 you here, but we all kind of know. Yeah, I 993 00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:41.840 thought that all that stuff, all that stuff is really great, wonderful. 994 00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:45.840 Is We've been all over the place, mainly making our 995 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.840 way through by talking about themes and actors. But is 996 00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:51.800 there anything that we should bring up that that that 997 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:56.480 I've missed, because I, you know, my main thing that 998 00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:59.880 I wanted to make sure. Oh yeah, Royal Dano. Royal 999 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:05.840 Dano here plays you know, the Tom Germandy's this this 1000 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:09.239 grumbly old guy in the in this shack with his 1001 00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:12.920 son played by John Davis Chandler. And I think it's 1002 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:14.760 hilarious by the way that on the night of the 1003 00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:17.719 murder he had gone to the movies, which I thought 1004 00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:21.360 was was great. You know that this this guy, you know, 1005 00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.880 he's he's such a strange character with his grumbling voice 1006 00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:27.920 and everything. I don't know what Royal Dano was like. 1007 00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:31.039 He may have been a really wonderful, genteel person. He 1008 00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:34.719 always plays this cantankerous country. 1009 00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.000 Except when he's Abraham Lincoln. 1010 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.480 Except for when he's Abraham Lincoln. And that's the thing 1011 00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:43.840 that makes it really interesting, like I want to know 1012 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:45.000 more about Royal Danel. 1013 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.679 Royal Royal Dano has one of the best exchanges with 1014 00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.320 the sheriff in this movie because the sheriff asks him 1015 00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:57.599 where you know, did you He's asking him if he 1016 00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:04.199 he put his son, his adult son to bed that night, 1017 00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:07.360 and the Royal Dane points out, no, my son is 1018 00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:07.960 a grown up. 1019 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:09.920 I don't I don't check in on. 1020 00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:12.760 All of that. All that was great, like. 1021 00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:19.440 The he is the sort of actor though, like the 1022 00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:21.639 exact sort of actor that we're talking about. 1023 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:23.199 That just adds like. 1024 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:26.159 You believe that he is this guy that lives in 1025 00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:29.519 a shack on the side of a swamp, you know, like. 1026 00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:34.119 Yeah, and again the people they got and the dialogue 1027 00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:36.400 and how it all works together, like you get that 1028 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:38.360 they live out here and they deal with all this 1029 00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:41.599 stuff all the time. I also like that interaction because 1030 00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.039 the subtext is, look, man, we live in the swamp, 1031 00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:48.639 but we're not stupid, right weirdos like give me a break, 1032 00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:53.320 go back to town, you know, like come on, Like 1033 00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:55.960 but there's that that you know, look, I know how 1034 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.440 you think of me, but come on, and that it's 1035 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.960 it's just layered so well, I just keep as I 1036 00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:06.119 was watching it, it just felt it's so lived in and believable, 1037 00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:09.599 and that doesn't I don't think that that happens as 1038 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:13.440 much as people would like in cinema these days. And 1039 00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.000 I don't again, I don't know exactly what. And then 1040 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:18.880 there's there's good examples of that, and there's just good storytelling, 1041 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:22.280 but there's just something about this period of time and 1042 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.880 kind of how this all works again that's elevated, I think, 1043 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:29.679 beyond a TV movie. Not that, and like I said before, 1044 00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.599 like you don't expect it because of the usual budgets 1045 00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:34.639 and stuff that you get, or that that maybe a 1046 00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:36.480 lot and also you know, in a lot of TV 1047 00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:40.880 movies it's kind of a more more overly dramatic. There's 1048 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:44.360 a certain style and I kept coming back to it 1049 00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.960 in this movie that just you could take the work. 1050 00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:49.039 You could even it could be a different mystery. It 1051 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.480 could be a murder mystery without the werewolf. I think again, 1052 00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:53.199 I love that it has the werewolf, but it could 1053 00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:55.239 be a murder mystery. It would be just as effective 1054 00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:58.920 and probably not as memorable, maybe, I think, because that's 1055 00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:03.199 part of what the charm. Yeah, yeah, the werewolf aspect 1056 00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:05.800 is a supernatural aspect that makes it different. But you 1057 00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:09.639 again when you said, like, oh, you want supernatural plus. 1058 00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:11.480 In the heat of the night, Like, yeah, yes, but 1059 00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:14.559 in the it does work a lot better when you 1060 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:18.159 go ahead and and like I like Peyton plays. But 1061 00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:20.360 one of the big problems was that they cut out 1062 00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:24.760 the poor people. They decided, for whatever reason, that the 1063 00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:27.239 audience wanted to watch the middle class and the rich. 1064 00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:31.400 And what it made the book really saucy was all 1065 00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:35.320 of that class stuff, and you know, and they cut 1066 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.400 all that out of the TV series until much much later, 1067 00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:41.440 several seasons and so but in the Heat but you 1068 00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.039 can do it, and you should and it makes it memorable, 1069 00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:46.280 but you got to be kind of brave to deal 1070 00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:48.559 with all of that stuff. Dano, by the way, was 1071 00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:51.519 in Messiah of the Evil, which I can't remember what 1072 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.559 year that came out, but he plays He plays the 1073 00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:56.840 father of the main character is trying to this woman's 1074 00:57:56.840 --> 00:57:59.880 trying to figure out why there's this weird zombie outbreak 1075 00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:03.000 in California, and he shows up halfway through just to 1076 00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:05.079 warn her to leave. And he's just it's not even 1077 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.920 a very big part, and he's so memorable. He just 1078 00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:13.159 elevates everything that he's in. And yes, he is memorialized 1079 00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.280 now as a robot at Disneyland or wherever. 1080 00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.760 Wherever Robo Lincoln Lincoln. 1081 00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:24.239 I mean, gosh, would it be neat by the way, 1082 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:27.880 if there were an emergency at Disneyland, and so robo 1083 00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:31.280 Lincoln comes comes to life at night and goes and 1084 00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:32.800 and and solves it all. 1085 00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:36.519 And it's I think Robo Lincoln should come to life 1086 00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:38.280 and become president. 1087 00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:43.039 Yeah, I mean it sounds like it's a j like 1088 00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.440 Magnola adjacent what you're talking. 1089 00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:54.880 About, Like, yeah, I was gonna say it's the screwing head. Yeah. 1090 00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:58.880 So anyway, all right, having having but also. 1091 00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:05.960 Watch a film full of animatronics, like all the all 1092 00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.800 of the animatronics walk off and they become assassins. 1093 00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:14.639 It's a it's a it's it's a reverse five Nights. 1094 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:20.840 Instead of being up to evil, they're they're doing uh, 1095 00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:22.320 they're gonna do good. 1096 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:25.679 Yeah, they just wander around doing good. They break they 1097 00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:28.079 break into Congress and give them a lot of advice 1098 00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.840 and how to write legislation. And then yeah, the whole 1099 00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:33.159 of the the idea of the Hall of Presidents just 1100 00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:35.480 wandering off to do good in the land is a 1101 00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.320 hilarious is a hilarious idea. 1102 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:41.840 That's just where my head is. I I just pictured 1103 00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:46.800 an army of Lincoln's killing Nazis or you know, white supremacists. 1104 00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:49.360 Oh my god, oh my god, this army of robo 1105 00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:51.480 Lincoln's has invaded our clan rally. 1106 00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:54.639 I love that. 1107 00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:57.599 I like, I like, I mean, I like the idea 1108 00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:00.679 of doing good. That's probably a better thing. But also 1109 01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:01.239 I would watch. 1110 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:06.760 You can do both. I guarantee you. We can fit 1111 01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:07.400 all of this in. 1112 01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:11.760 Maybe maybe the Benjamin Franklins go to Congress and help 1113 01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:15.679 and then robo Lincoln's take up their axes an. 1114 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.679 Idea because they also invariably have robo Mark Twain voiced 1115 01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:20.559 by Hal Holbrook. 1116 01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:23.880 And and oh, I think he's the I think robo 1117 01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:25.800 Mark Twain is the one that's fousing. 1118 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:27.000 Well, he's the lead. 1119 01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:31.719 I think he's the general, remarks as the robo Lincoln 1120 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:35.199 just pull uh the robot. 1121 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:37.400 Isn't there a Lincoln Vampire hunter already? 1122 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:41.320 So just there is. But luckily it's about ten years back, 1123 01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:42.360 so we got plenty of room. 1124 01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:47.920 We actually did that one on the show a million 1125 01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:48.800 years ago. 1126 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:56.480 Yes, all right, I met somebody at a baby birthday 1127 01:00:56.519 --> 01:01:03.000 party who their husband and does a horror movie podcast, 1128 01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:05.880 and she was saying, Oh, yeah, he's got it. He's 1129 01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.920 got a he's got a lot of episodes. He's he's 1130 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:12.920 just done like his hundredth episode. And I I swear 1131 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.480 I'm not a prick, but in the back of my mind, 1132 01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:17.840 I was like, Oh, how quaint. 1133 01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:23.360 No, you got a leadist in your mind about the show. 1134 01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:26.039 I don't know, that's funny. 1135 01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:31.920 I felt slightly ashamed, but not so ashamed that I 1136 01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:34.079 won't be confessional about it. 1137 01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:36.519 The uh. 1138 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:41.039 By the way, Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. So our friends 1139 01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:43.239 over at Mounster really Happy Hour did an episode on that, 1140 01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:47.119 and I think the funniest thing was hearing them remark 1141 01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:49.519 in the kind of sense they were like, you know, 1142 01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.880 I think the history I'm paraphrasing, but it was like, 1143 01:01:52.920 --> 01:02:00.000 the history is a little problematic in this film. 1144 01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.440 That there weren't vampires involved the war. 1145 01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:03.280 Well, actually it's less that and more that they just 1146 01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:05.639 kind of jumbled up a whole bunch of stuff involving 1147 01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:08.039 both the Civil War and the President of the United States. 1148 01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:12.360 And I remember, I just remember that that movie was 1149 01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:16.440 very divisive when we recorded an episode on it like 1150 01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:21.519 that was like strangely heated. I may be misremembering, but 1151 01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:25.559 I remember that Tony and I liked it, and you 1152 01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:28.599 and Julia very much did not like it, and I 1153 01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:32.119 and I remember that being one of the more device like. 1154 01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:33.320 I don't remember. 1155 01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:37.079 I could be mis remembering. I could be misremembering. 1156 01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:39.800 I kind of want to go back and re listen 1157 01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:44.039 to it now, even though I'm sure even well, like 1158 01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:48.519 when I do go back and revisit our old episodes, inevitably, 1159 01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:51.599 I am always shocked at how terrible the sound on 1160 01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:57.079 my recording sounds. But you know, and hopefully it's better now. 1161 01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:01.039 But you get to four score, the less you remember, Jason. 1162 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.400 Oh my god, Yeah, I'm I don't know. 1163 01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.559 There were top hats and there was an axe, and 1164 01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:09.000 there was. 1165 01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:12.159 Probably a lot more pretentious several hundred episodes ago. 1166 01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:17.039 Uh, once you, once you've done Vampire Hookers, all bets 1167 01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:17.480 are off. 1168 01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:18.519 See. 1169 01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:22.320 The funny thing is that's why there's no consistency in 1170 01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:25.360 my in me on this show, because I'll at once 1171 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:29.400 go this Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter is preposterous, and then 1172 01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:33.079 like two weeks later Ago Vampire Hookers actually has a 1173 01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:34.079 lot to recommend it. 1174 01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:41.119 I think, I think, I think that I think that 1175 01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:46.159 that also speaks to horror phantom at large in a way. 1176 01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:49.719 Yes, I'm with you that. 1177 01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:53.079 I mean, it did have John Kerry. So that's but 1178 01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:57.880 all right, getting back to for for those like three 1179 01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:00.760 listeners who are left, getting back to the Moon of 1180 01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.840 the Wolf, we should get our final thoughts and then 1181 01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:08.559 go to endorsements. So Drew, Gosh, this was fun to 1182 01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:11.719 talk about. Give me your final thoughts on Moon of 1183 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:12.159 the Wolf. 1184 01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:16.880 I am glad that we came back on this obscure 1185 01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:23.719 nineteen seventy two TV movie because somehow, when we started 1186 01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:26.960 coming to this discussion about what our first episode back, 1187 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:31.679 I somehow decided I was going to send a fourteen 1188 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:36.000 movie long list to everyone on our group chat, and 1189 01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:40.920 after much debate, we somehow ended on this movie. And yet, 1190 01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:45.039 and yet, through that somewhat convoluted system, this ended up 1191 01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:49.119 being the right decision because this conversation was a joy, 1192 01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:54.159 and I think that is what I needed tonight of 1193 01:04:54.199 --> 01:05:02.079 all nights, is to dissect this wonderfully wacky TV movie with. 1194 01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:08.360 Y'all thinks like trust the system, system work from the 1195 01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:11.360 outside it may look like chaos, but look look where 1196 01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:12.199 we always get. 1197 01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:14.760 Julia, what are your thoughts. 1198 01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:19.519 I think this has been a fun conversation. Yeah, I 1199 01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:23.480 think the characters are interesting. Uh, but I do feel 1200 01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:28.320 the TV movie of the weakness of this film. I 1201 01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:31.480 do think that there's it's got a lot going for it, 1202 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:34.920 apparently more than the Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, given what 1203 01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:39.119 Drew has said that we said about it, and uh yeah, 1204 01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:41.360 but it's mostly just been great to be back with 1205 01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:45.559 you guys chatting since we've been away for a summer hiatus. 1206 01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:47.719 So it's been it's been. 1207 01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:49.960 Good, wonderful, Thank you very much. By the way, can 1208 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:54.320 you actually build address with a macrome chest? Is that 1209 01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:55.280 a thing that? 1210 01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:59.639 Yeah? Yeah, they just they just whatever you call it, 1211 01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:02.599 and it I guess the little I really do feel 1212 01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:05.719 like the costume people just made her dresses because they 1213 01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:08.440 do seem very you know, like straight out of a 1214 01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:11.559 pattern book. But yeah, I think that they macro made 1215 01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:14.800 that little chest piece and then just sewed it onto them. 1216 01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:18.159 Oh cool, I mean that's just really neat. I like 1217 01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:21.199 all that stuff. Okay, Tony, what about you? 1218 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:24.239 Yeah, I mean, if I think it's obvious, I really 1219 01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:27.840 like the setting, and I think it's yeah, the budget 1220 01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:30.000 is what it is because you do a lot off camera, 1221 01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.800 but I was I just really dug it. I think 1222 01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:35.039 you could add in a bunch of different features that 1223 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:37.320 kind of feel like this, and you'd have a whole 1224 01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:41.239 night of deep Southern mystery and loathing if you want to. 1225 01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:45.599 And that's good. But I you know, it's probably the 1226 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:48.960 fact that I'm older, but there's a certain there's There's 1227 01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:51.679 also the aspect of how much this is a character 1228 01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:55.360 actor driven film that I probably have some nostalgia for, 1229 01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:57.280 with a bunch of character actors. 1230 01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:58.519 That I recognize. 1231 01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:03.039 But saying that everybody's just super solid and everybody elevates 1232 01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:07.840 this in unexpected ways. I'm with Drew that I'm glad 1233 01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:10.400 that we picked this one because it kind of came 1234 01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:12.760 out of left field and it was the one I 1235 01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:15.599 didn't know I needed to see, And yet here we are, wonderful. 1236 01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:16.559 I really enjoy it. 1237 01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:21.320 I'm really glad that we watched it as well. I really, honestly, 1238 01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:24.920 I am just thrilled anytime we can return to nineteen 1239 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:27.880 seventies TV movies. For some reason, this is a special 1240 01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:28.840 happy thing for me. 1241 01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:31.119 So there we go and. 1242 01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:34.800 That's good enough for me. Let's get our endorsements. I'm 1243 01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:37.800 dying to know, and to be honest, I'm not even 1244 01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:39.400 sure what I'm going to say. It's like we're ordering 1245 01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:41.519 at a restaurant and I'm just hoping that I'll know 1246 01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:43.920 what I'm going to say by the time the white 1247 01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:46.920 person gets around to me. Drew, what do you have 1248 01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:51.199 for us? Well, well, you just got here from comic Con, 1249 01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:52.280 so you might not know either. 1250 01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:58.719 I well, no, I want to recommend a graphic novel 1251 01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:05.599 called by Eric Powell of The Goon fame, But it 1252 01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:07.480 is not like The Goon. 1253 01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:10.920 I have to stress that it is called. 1254 01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:14.960 Look What Eddie Gean Had What Eddie Gean Had Done? 1255 01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:19.439 And as you can guess by the name, it is 1256 01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:27.760 a biographical comic that is about the notorious grave robber 1257 01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:35.560 Cannibal maybe serial killer at Geen and it is one 1258 01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:39.239 of the most disturbing things that I have ever read. 1259 01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:43.800 So your mileage may vary because I am not normally, 1260 01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:47.920 despite my general interest in creepy things, I am not 1261 01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:54.720 always a true crime guy. But this is this is 1262 01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:58.479 a part of a series that Powell is doing. He 1263 01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:02.359 actually just put out out the second part, which is 1264 01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:08.600 about Frederick Wortham, the infamous psychiatrists that had people burning 1265 01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:13.800 comic books in the streets, and that one's called Doctor Worthless, 1266 01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:17.319 and I'm going to eventually get around to getting that 1267 01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:26.760 one is as well. But it's incredibly creepy. The artwork 1268 01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:31.640 is beautiful. If you are interested in true crime, I 1269 01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:34.239 think you will like it. But even if you are 1270 01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:39.159 just have a general interest in the macabre and pop culture, 1271 01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:46.600 I think that you'll find it interesting. But also I 1272 01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:51.119 want to recommend that everyone listening to this podcast go 1273 01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:54.800 to their local bookstore or local comic book shop. Take 1274 01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:59.359 a moment, and you should say, hey, clerk working behind 1275 01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:02.239 the counter, no doubt, working hard. I would like to 1276 01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:06.640 order a copy of the Halloween man Omnibus Volume one 1277 01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:10.279 from Red five Comics, because that is coming out on 1278 01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:14.640 September thirtieth. So I am now full on in the 1279 01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:17.960 hype train right now, and I have. 1280 01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:22.600 Seen this thing now. I saw copies of it at 1281 01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:25.880 San Diego Comic Con. It is beautiful. 1282 01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:31.279 All the pages have been remastered, like the coloring and 1283 01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:35.600 the artwork has been you know, tuned up, so like 1284 01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:39.279 with you know, it's it's it's hard to describe. But 1285 01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:45.159 it's the same coloring but just refined to a point 1286 01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:49.760 and the same thing with the lettering. So this is 1287 01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:53.720 the best these pages have ever looked in print. And 1288 01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:59.199 if you are people are always like for decades now 1289 01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:02.600 they're like, oh, why can't we get a mass market 1290 01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:03.920 Halloween Man paperback? 1291 01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:05.039 Well here you go. 1292 01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:09.840 If you want further volumes, please support this now because 1293 01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:12.520 I really want there to be volume three, Volume two, 1294 01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:17.520 volume four. Uh you know like this, this is this, 1295 01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:19.239 The time is now. 1296 01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:20.760 Show your support. 1297 01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:23.840 This book is worth It also has an all new 1298 01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:29.000 intro by friend of the podcast, John Logan, So oh cool, 1299 01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:32.640 yeah worth it worth every penny. 1300 01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:35.880 And that's that's me for this week. 1301 01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:38.720 I guess wonderful. Thank you so much. That was that 1302 01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:41.520 was fantastic. Uh, Julia, I don't know what do you 1303 01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:43.039 got to what do you what do you have to endorse? 1304 01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:47.039 We're going to make our the third reference to our 1305 01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:50.640 friend John Logan in this episode and recommend if you 1306 01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:54.920 have the opportunity to see the live touring production of 1307 01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:58.000 Mulin Rouge that was written that the book is written 1308 01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:01.800 by John Logan, actually do so because it is brilliant. 1309 01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:05.039 It's so good, so fun, and exciting and interesting, lots 1310 01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:09.000 of great music. It's very funny in the first act 1311 01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:12.279 and very moving in the second act. Really really good show. 1312 01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:16.560 So and I know it'll be coming around near many people, 1313 01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:18.880 so if you have the chance, go and see it. 1314 01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:24.720 I also want to endorse Weapons, starring Julia Garner and 1315 01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:27.000 Josh Brolin. It is so scary. 1316 01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:27.840 Oh my gosh. 1317 01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:30.279 We were talking about how scary it was. I couldn't 1318 01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:32.720 sleep last night. I'm like dragging today because I had 1319 01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:37.279 not sleep after watching it. So yes, those are my two. 1320 01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:40.600 Fantastic Tony, what do you got. I've been watching a lot. 1321 01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:43.199 Of TV, and you know there's movies I've seen that 1322 01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:46.279 I really enjoyed. We actually, we actually enjoyed the New 1323 01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:50.000 Naked Gun. It was really funny. It was fun to 1324 01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:54.119 version good crowd. The draft House has also been showing 1325 01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:58.800 a Samurai the new game Ghost to Go Tie, the 1326 01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:02.840 sequel to Ghost Tushima is coming out, and we've been 1327 01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:09.119 showing Samurai movies. So I got to see the first 1328 01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:13.359 Zatuichi movie in the theater, and this past week was 1329 01:13:13.399 --> 01:13:16.479 Lady Snowblood and I really I recommend that in the 1330 01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:18.920 Stray Cat Rocks movies. Even though they're kind of pinky 1331 01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:21.439 violence movies. I don't I don't know if they're for everyone, 1332 01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:25.600 but you know, in accuracies in Lady Snowblood is in that. 1333 01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:29.039 I think Arrow may have still had the Stray cat 1334 01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:33.479 Rocks set in print. But I just I've been really enjoying. 1335 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:35.800 There's been really good crowds. It's kind of cool to 1336 01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:39.960 see Samurai cinema. They're gonna do Thirteen Assassins, they're gonna 1337 01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:43.199 do Lone Wolf and Cub and then I'm linking back. 1338 01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:47.039 They're also doing Ron so I think it's through all 1339 01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:51.880 the Criterion. You know, Janis Productions nice, so they looked. Man, 1340 01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:55.840 it was beautiful to see Lady Snowblood on a big 1341 01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:58.560 screen with a good crowd. So I do recommend, if 1342 01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:03.279 you're like minded, check out the Samurai series that's going 1343 01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:05.560 on at the Draft House. And if you can't catch that, 1344 01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:07.960 then definitely pick up the Criterion ones and you know, 1345 01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.159 do your own screenings at home. I've also been enjoyed 1346 01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:14.760 the new season of Twisted Metal. They finally go into 1347 01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:19.239 the in San via the video game, and I think, 1348 01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:21.439 I don't know, I didn't expect it to work, but 1349 01:14:22.359 --> 01:14:24.880 it's actually I really like. It's got a good cast 1350 01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:28.119 and I really like what they're doing, even though it's 1351 01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:30.800 you know, over the top and bloody, so maybe not 1352 01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:32.039 for everyone. 1353 01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:32.159 But it is. 1354 01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:37.000 I've been really enjoying Twisted Metal as well. There's some 1355 01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:39.359 screeners I need to catch up on too, so hopefully 1356 01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:42.159 I'll have some recommendations next time as I catch up 1357 01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:45.600 on some of that stuff. But yeah, that's been that's 1358 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:48.920 been me as well as just some random Discothech Media 1359 01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:52.640 puts out a lot of old school anime, so I've 1360 01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:57.000 been also revisiting the eighties nice wise and that's that's 1361 01:14:57.039 --> 01:15:00.439 always good. This latest one SBT Lasner. Oh, and I've 1362 01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:04.039 also Hulu has a Macross series and I just finished 1363 01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:08.159 Macross Frontier and I thought that was really solid. So 1364 01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:11.600 I'm all over the map these days awesome. 1365 01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:15.000 I'm going to sign on to everything that Julia said 1366 01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:18.520 because we've been hanging out a lot and we went 1367 01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:24.159 to Mulin Rouge. I actually I enjoyed this like even 1368 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:28.640 more than the film, and I was just really just 1369 01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:32.319 really moved by it and then weapons I was jumping 1370 01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:35.000 out of my seat. It was so scary, I mean, honestly, 1371 01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:40.439 like embarrassingly going like making noises and jumping like it was. 1372 01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:44.159 It was a really solid jump scare movie and I 1373 01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:46.159 seldom encountered that, Like. 1374 01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:48.640 The I didn't have my own popcorn, so I knocked 1375 01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:49.960 over my daughter's popcorn. 1376 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:55.199 Like the last time I went to a movie that 1377 01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:59.239 made me jump scare like that was The Nighthouse, which 1378 01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:02.359 has got to be like three years and so this 1379 01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:08.359 was this was really really solid and yeah, so cool. Well, 1380 01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:10.880 I'm so excited we got a chance to come back 1381 01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:15.319 and start out with a bang, exactly where I love 1382 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:18.199 to be. I'm so happy that we watched the nineteen 1383 01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:20.680 seventies made for a TV film And I'm not the 1384 01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:23.239 one who came up with the idea. I that just 1385 01:16:23.479 --> 01:16:28.840 that's a gift. It's manna from heaven. I definitely am, 1386 01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:33.039 honestly because I always feel yeah, because I hate to 1387 01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:35.239 foist these things on you, but I'm happy when somebody 1388 01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:36.319 else voices. 1389 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:40.399 This time we can we can all blame me and 1390 01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:42.560 my extensive list making. 1391 01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:47.399 I guess I love it. So I'm I'm super excited. 1392 01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:53.439 Me and you, so everybody. 1393 01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:57.319 Thank you so much. Be kind to one another. Let 1394 01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:01.359 us know what you thought or or new directions or 1395 01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:05.960 if there's other certainly if there's obscure films, especially like 1396 01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:09.960 nineteen seventies, you know, forgotten TV films, and you're like, oh, 1397 01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:12.119 you'll love this. Let us know. We might do an 1398 01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:14.000 episode on it, but at least I will watch it 1399 01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:17.319 at the very least. So thank you so much and 1400 01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:25.880 we can't wait to be back soon. Bye guys, Bye night.