Speaker 1: Welcome to Castle of Horror, the show dedicated to horror
Speaker 1: movies and awesomeness. We are a feat Spot top one
Speaker 1: hundred horror podcast. This week we have a look at
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy two TV film Moon of the Wolf.
Speaker 1: This is episode four hundred and sixty four. Bear in
Speaker 1: mind if you haven't seen today's movie, we're going to
Speaker 1: be talking about it from the perspective of horror fans
Speaker 1: who have seen it. So warning. Spoiler's ed. From Denver, Colorado,
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Jason Henderson, publisher at Castlebridge Media, home
Speaker 1: of the Castle of Horror anthology. With me from Austin
Speaker 1: is Tony Subaggio, lead singer and bassis of the band
Speaker 1: Deserts of Mars and lead guitarist of the band Rise
Speaker 1: from Fires. Hello, Tony, Howdy Howdy. Also in Austin. Mister
Speaker 1: Drew Edwards, freshly back from Comic Con, is the writer
Speaker 1: creator of the long running underground comic Halloween Man, which
Speaker 1: you can find at Global Comics. He is a Best
Speaker 1: Writer Ringo nominee, Austin Chronicle Best of Austin Award winner
Speaker 1: and member of the Pen American Fellowship. Say Hello, Drew.
Speaker 2: The notorious, Drew Edwards.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, I will just I will from henceforth to
Speaker 3: declare that everybody should just announce me as notorious. Because
Speaker 3: Julia was correcting me before we started recording that notoriety
Speaker 3: and fame were not the same thing, and I was saying,
Speaker 3: I kept saying notoriety, and so I will, I will henceforth.
Speaker 3: I decided, if I'm not going to be famous, I'll
Speaker 3: be infamous. So there you go, or notorious notorious.
Speaker 1: Yes, my, my, My favorite quotation from Doctor Doom is
Speaker 1: always in this one where he goes android. Would you
Speaker 1: please play back that last soliloquy of mine? I found
Speaker 1: it particularly inspiring and like I love this character like
Speaker 1: that that is that is wonderful.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: And finally, also in Denver, commentary from Julia Gusmond of
Speaker 1: Gasmond Immigration of Denver, Chair of the American Immigration Lawyers
Speaker 1: Association of Colorado.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, say hello, I knew she was pregnant. I
Speaker 4: was third in my class.
Speaker 1: What a strange line. My goodness, this is this is
Speaker 1: a movie made up entirely of character actors. It's the
Speaker 1: weirdest thing. And like it's when the when the most,
Speaker 1: the least character. Actory character actor is David Jansen, because
Speaker 1: at least he was the lead of the Sorry of
Speaker 1: the Fugitive all right. Moon of the Wolf is an
Speaker 1: American TV movie broadcast on September twenty sixth, nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: two as an ABC Movie of the Week. It stars
Speaker 1: David Jansen, Barbara Rush of Peyton Place, Jeffrey Lewis of
Speaker 1: Salem's Lot, Bradford Dillman. I was what was the He
Speaker 1: did a Dark Shadows remake for Aaron Spelling. And it's
Speaker 1: based on a book by Leslie H. Whitten, which I
Speaker 1: have ordered from my library because I want to read
Speaker 1: this book because it's it's Southern Gothic.
Speaker 2: The film is.
Speaker 3: I am fascinated that although it makes perfect sense for
Speaker 3: you that you think of her as from Peyton Place,
Speaker 3: and yet for me she is from it came from
Speaker 3: outer space.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. All right, Well, I haven't seen it
Speaker 1: came from outer space since the eighties, so I guess.
Speaker 2: We may we may have to do an episode on
Speaker 2: it just for.
Speaker 1: That, you know it. Yeah, A lot of this film,
Speaker 1: this movie was made in Burnside, Louisiana and the downtown
Speaker 1: of Clinton, Louisiana, and so it's a it's a very
Speaker 1: very much location heavy film in Louisiana. The sweat on
Speaker 1: these actors is real, and I mean I think it
Speaker 1: lends something to the performances. I'm not even being sarcastic.
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, there's something heavy about this. So all right,
Speaker 1: let's get her opening thoughts Drew, Julia Tony, and then
Speaker 1: off we will go. Drew lay it on me, Moon
Speaker 1: of the You were the one who suggested this as
Speaker 1: one of your suggestions.
Speaker 3: Yes, I have only seen this movie one time before.
Speaker 3: I watched it on tub the other time before because
Speaker 3: it was a movie I remember seeing pictures from in
Speaker 3: Fangoria magazine when I was a kid. But surprise, surprise
Speaker 3: to those of you who were only born this century,
Speaker 3: all of pop culture didn't used to be available at
Speaker 3: your fingertips, and sometimes movies were hard to find and
Speaker 3: you had to wait to see them. But as a
Speaker 3: werewolf movie aficionado, I was very very happy to find
Speaker 3: finally be able to see it, and it is a
Speaker 3: lot of fun. A friend of mine, another comic book
Speaker 3: industry gentlemen, recently likened it to a check Culchak episode
Speaker 3: minus Culchak, and I think that it is is a
Speaker 3: very good description of it. I think it would be
Speaker 3: very easy to imagine Carl kind of dropped into the
Speaker 3: action of this movie.
Speaker 2: But I do love the the whole vibe of it. It.
Speaker 2: It has a.
Speaker 3: Great Southern Gothic feel, and I do think a lot
Speaker 3: of that is because it was actually shot in Louisiana.
Speaker 3: You know, Tony and I were actually talking on our
Speaker 3: group chat about how this has a very authentic, authentically
Speaker 3: Southern feeling that I don't necessarily think you would have
Speaker 3: in a modern movie. And in fact, you know, the
Speaker 3: last Texas Chainsaw massacre movie that was made was filmed
Speaker 3: in Bulgaria, So contrast this with that and you'll see.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 3: This has an incredibly stellar cast, in considering the fact
Speaker 3: that it's mostly character driven. It's you know, the werewolf
Speaker 3: stuff because it is a TV movie, it's it's kind
Speaker 3: of backloaded. You really don't get a lot of werewolf
Speaker 3: action until the very end, and all of the werewolf
Speaker 3: kill scenes kind of take place of off screen.
Speaker 2: What kind of sells.
Speaker 3: This movie is you get invested in the small town
Speaker 3: politics of it all, which feel very very real, particularly
Speaker 3: the class politics of it so I think this.
Speaker 2: Movie is a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: And I think if you are a fan of watching
Speaker 3: old TV movies, which I know everybody on this podcast is,
Speaker 3: and a lot of the people who listen to this
Speaker 3: podcast are fans of that as well, I think you'll
Speaker 3: get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
Speaker 1: Wonderful. Thank you so much, Julia. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're as huge a TV movie fan, although I we
Speaker 1: certainly watch a lot of them because I drag you
Speaker 1: into it, unless of not being fair, But what are
Speaker 1: your what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: No, I definitely have some all time favorite movies that
Speaker 4: were TV movies, like Fatal Vision. Do you remember I
Speaker 4: loved them?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, Yeah, There's there's so many actually, But anyway,
Speaker 4: this was Yeah, this was an ABC wide World of
Speaker 4: Mystery UH series movie, and it came out the week
Speaker 4: before I turned three years old. So I did not
Speaker 4: see it when it came out. You don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 4: knowing my dad, I might have very well been sitting
Speaker 4: on his lap watching it. So and then the other
Speaker 4: thing I was going to say about it is that, yeah,
Speaker 4: that the mansion, the plantation house that it's filmed at,
Speaker 4: it's called the Humus Plantation House. And it was also
Speaker 4: in Hush Hush, Sweet, Hush Hush, Sweet Charlotte and Fletcher.
Speaker 1: Which we did an episode on.
Speaker 4: We did not Fletch List, though we haven't done that one.
Speaker 4: I do you like fleshlift Let's it's interesting. I think
Speaker 4: it is, you know, as long as you know it's
Speaker 4: TV movie going in, so your expectations aren't, you know,
Speaker 4: like you know, cinema level. It's a fun film. But
Speaker 4: you know, I did find myself a lot trying to
Speaker 4: figure out, you know, who's the werewolf? And I my
Speaker 4: first guess was the right one, but then I did
Speaker 4: go through a few others before we actually came around
Speaker 4: to who it was. But the first, the first character
Speaker 4: I guessed was the right guess, the right one. But
Speaker 4: it was Yeah, it was fun. I mean, I think
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to talking about it because I kind
Speaker 4: of feel like I haven't really thought through my opinions
Speaker 4: on it yet, and I think they'll come out as
Speaker 4: we as we started talking.
Speaker 1: Wonderful. Okay, thank you very much, Tony. What do you got?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hadn't seen this before, but spotting all of
Speaker 5: the character actors in it and there's just a bunch
Speaker 5: kind of diving back into that realm where a lot
Speaker 5: of these actors and you know, actresses would appear in
Speaker 5: various TV movies. I just that was great. I thought,
Speaker 5: I'm yeah, I want to talk more about it. But
Speaker 5: there was a time period that just where they did
Speaker 5: more on location, and I guess it was probably pretty
Speaker 5: inexpensive to shoot in Louisiana, you know, and I there's
Speaker 5: something really it felt really authentic, it felt really lived in.
Speaker 5: You know, I've passed through the area. I've lived close
Speaker 5: to the area for a long you know, large parts
Speaker 5: of my life. And you know, there's kind of a
Speaker 5: blend that's there's like a gradation of East Texas into
Speaker 5: Louisiana and then back into Mississippi. There's kind of the
Speaker 5: borders of all that into Louisiana also kind of have
Speaker 5: the same similar feel and the politics are very similar
Speaker 5: that it's the Deep South.
Speaker 1: You could.
Speaker 5: I was saying also, like it's a little bit intense,
Speaker 5: and I didn't want to watch another intense movie, but
Speaker 5: I would. I would pair this up with maybe Southern Comfort, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, which is also you know, really good film
Speaker 5: as far as flavor and vibe. But yeah, I in
Speaker 5: fact that you know, I kept the more we were
Speaker 5: talking about it. I also I wonder, you know, you
Speaker 5: could just as easily make a Dark Shadows, a deep southern,
Speaker 5: deep Southern Gothic Dark Shadows, uh, you know, soap opera
Speaker 5: out of this town or a town similar to it,
Speaker 5: and I.
Speaker 1: Would watch that.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think the closest we had we got is
Speaker 5: like what True Blood, right, like that in Louisiana. But
Speaker 5: this has such a different flavor. And I also want
Speaker 5: to talk about that because and you're describing.
Speaker 1: In the heat of the night with werewolves really.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sort of yeah, but like you know, supernatural, Like
Speaker 5: if you did it like Dark Shadows, it would be all.
Speaker 1: Kinds of supernatural.
Speaker 5: Yes, and yes, I would totally watch that.
Speaker 1: That would be good.
Speaker 5: But I I enjoyed this movie. But I found myself
Speaker 5: really the cultural aspects of it all and all of
Speaker 5: the again, the class system that's here and how the
Speaker 5: relationships are, like you know, from from the doctor who's
Speaker 5: kind of too good to be there but he stuck there,
Speaker 5: to just the you know, the people living in the
Speaker 5: swamp and then there's people living in town, and then
Speaker 5: the all that class system. Stuff is just perfect, and
Speaker 5: I want to talk more about that as we go along.
Speaker 5: But I really enjoyed this for a lot of reasons. Yes,
Speaker 5: it's a lower budget affair by nature, but you know,
Speaker 5: I'd stack it against a lot, like there's a lot
Speaker 5: worse movies than to spend your time on. And I
Speaker 5: was kind of drawn into it. And the mystery is cool,
Speaker 5: like Julia said, like I wonder like like the fact
Speaker 5: that was you know ABC mystery movie. That's pretty good
Speaker 5: and somebody took a chance instead of doing like a
Speaker 5: traditional mystery. They're like, Okay, so this this week's mystery
Speaker 5: movie is were Wolf. Yeah, pretty cool. I gotta say.
Speaker 1: We were talking to John Logan a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: a couple of episodes ago, and I said something about
Speaker 1: Royal Dano Like, what's that Royal Dano were wolf movie?
Speaker 1: He goes, you mean Moon of the Wolf.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, this is just so many good actors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I want to go straight into the topics,
Speaker 1: but the only thing I'll say is that this is
Speaker 1: this is a really well made film, and you raised
Speaker 1: a really interesting issue, like there's a TV budget, right,
Speaker 1: but if you're making a TV movie at least in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two. If you're making a TV movie and
Speaker 1: you know what your limitations are, you can film around
Speaker 1: it so that you wind up with something that looks
Speaker 1: like a movie. You know, that looks basically like you
Speaker 1: know it because it's a procedural and a lot of
Speaker 1: it is the sheriff trying to solve this mystery. You
Speaker 1: don't have to go crazy, you know. The toughest thing
Speaker 1: they're going to deal with is, of course the werewolf effects.
Speaker 1: But other than that, you know, it's you know, there
Speaker 1: are some really great like Salem's Lot, of course, was
Speaker 1: a TV film, you know, and yeah, I thought this
Speaker 1: was fantastic. Okay, the first thing I'd like to get
Speaker 1: into I want to talk about the cast, but I
Speaker 1: think first we should talk about Southern Gothic and the
Speaker 1: world of this film. So for the listener, if you
Speaker 1: want to see a Moon of the Wolf, it is
Speaker 1: free lots of services, so you can see it on TV.
Speaker 1: If you have a subscription to YouTube like just You
Speaker 1: two Premium, then you can watch it on YouTube and
Speaker 1: there's no ads, or you can watch it on two
Speaker 1: B it has ads. But the point is there's lots
Speaker 1: of places where you can see this movie.
Speaker 5: Did you watch it on YouTube or TV?
Speaker 1: I saw it on YouTube?
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh boy boy? Is it macro blocked it? It
Speaker 5: doesn't look good at close to the end on TV.
Speaker 1: The one that I saw it didn't look that bad.
Speaker 1: But but there might be also multiple versions of it uploaded,
Speaker 1: so who knows. No.
Speaker 2: On t B.
Speaker 5: On t B, the print was, I don't think it's
Speaker 5: my it was my connection. It was no, I'm sure
Speaker 5: you're rough. I mean, it's still look good, but like
Speaker 5: that's why I was curious.
Speaker 1: You might have bet on YouTube. Yeah, but all right,
Speaker 1: so the Southern Gothic thing as a concept, and we
Speaker 1: don't actually get a lot of Southern Gothic stories anymore.
Speaker 1: And Drew pointed out this movie really takes advantage of
Speaker 1: shooting in a southern count But the whole Southern Gothic
Speaker 1: thing is you're living in a world that is It's
Speaker 1: like the lumpiness of the of the atmosphere is pulling
Speaker 1: the world apart. So everything's old, everything is sweaty, every
Speaker 1: and and the the things that define it are usually
Speaker 1: family secrets, family shame, uh, severe gradations in the community,
Speaker 1: like Tony, you were pointing out all the different layers,
Speaker 1: like all the layers, because you got the rich guy
Speaker 1: who lives with his rich sister in the plantation, and
Speaker 1: then you've got you know, middle class people and like
Speaker 1: the doctor, and then you've got civil servants like the sheriff,
Speaker 1: and then you've got like hillbillies, you know, in in
Speaker 1: the in the swamp, you got swamp people and they
Speaker 1: all know one another, and they all move amongst one another,
Speaker 1: and it's just interesting watching. Like I would say, Tony
Speaker 1: that we know what those gradations are. The movie shows
Speaker 1: them without even bothering bothering to explain them generally, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's just part of the atmosphere.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know Quaudia McNeil, who plays what's her Sarah, Like
Speaker 5: you know she's lives adjacent and you know she talks
Speaker 5: about like, you know, my grandfather worked for your you know,
Speaker 5: like's and you know they're with the hill abilities. But
Speaker 5: like how that all plays out, how race relations work
Speaker 5: and everything, like every there's all this well there and
Speaker 5: because I don't.
Speaker 3: Because this is Louisiana, there's there's another cultural layer because
Speaker 3: they they call the area and the swamp where all
Speaker 3: the poor people live french Town because that's where all
Speaker 3: exactly Cajun people live. And you know that's while you know,
Speaker 3: I grew up in Texas, not Louisiana. You know, there
Speaker 3: definitely was cultural and class divides like that.
Speaker 5: And well the further you go to East Texas, the
Speaker 5: more you get that absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: The the you know, the the other thing that I
Speaker 3: think is interesting about setting this in in this particular
Speaker 3: because with were wolves, you know, in the rural South,
Speaker 3: in this particular region of the United States, like there
Speaker 3: is you know, I almost wish that the movie could
Speaker 3: have spent a little bit more time on it. But
Speaker 3: there's very specific were wolf mythology of the rugaroo, which
Speaker 3: is like a swamp were wolf or a sugarcane were wolf.
Speaker 5: And not to be confused with the rugaroo with an X,
Speaker 5: which is when you had flour and butter and make
Speaker 5: a creamier are no talking about rude?
Speaker 2: I got, I understood what you were saying.
Speaker 3: It was anyway, well, you know, the the you know,
Speaker 3: they they don't deal with it too much. I mean,
Speaker 3: they have the bit about sulfur in the movie, which is,
Speaker 3: you know, again it's very specific to this particular type
Speaker 3: of were wolf mythology, which is like something that was
Speaker 3: imported from from both you know, you have thelu Guru,
Speaker 3: which is you know, imported from from France. And then
Speaker 3: of course there were were German immigrants who brought their
Speaker 3: own werewolf mythology and this all met in you know,
Speaker 3: Louisiana and Mississippi in East Texas and became this own
Speaker 3: specific you know, I hate to say.
Speaker 2: This, but American were wolf And I lied. I didn't
Speaker 2: hate saying that at all.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's it's not something we see represented
Speaker 3: in pop culture, but it still has a lot of
Speaker 3: you know, in in you know, folklore today and there's
Speaker 3: even in in I forget the town in Louisiana, but
Speaker 3: there's even particular town in Louisiana and Louisiana that every
Speaker 3: October has a rugaroo festival.
Speaker 2: So what would you call.
Speaker 4: An American werewolf in Paris?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean, what's what?
Speaker 2: Uh? What would I call it?
Speaker 4: Would it be a rugaroo or or garoo?
Speaker 3: Or I think I think that it's just a werewolf
Speaker 3: at that point?
Speaker 2: What what? Wow? Now my ice a crusted.
Speaker 3: I but you know, the context of the Southern gothic thing.
Speaker 3: I think that added layer of sort of folk horror
Speaker 3: kind of adds to this.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 5: Also you have the guy who's you know, in his deathbed,
Speaker 5: who's has the gap, and they just that's just part
Speaker 5: of like everybody's you know, if you if you're around
Speaker 5: enough people and especially uh you know, the lower class,
Speaker 5: you go or somebody will be like, oh, yeah, well
Speaker 5: you have an aunt who has the gift, or I
Speaker 5: have a my grandfather would say, you know, like the
Speaker 5: tales that add to that folk horror. That's part of this.
Speaker 5: He knows things that other people don't. They're like he
Speaker 5: just knows, like what do you mean? And the share
Speaker 5: kind of doesn't want to believe it, but also he
Speaker 5: knows like yeah, I've dealt with that, you know, like
Speaker 5: how that all those interactions are really great and adds
Speaker 5: so the really grounds it in that Deep South folk
Speaker 5: horror tradition and that I think that stuff is awesome too.
Speaker 1: The it's I want to read this book because it
Speaker 1: just strikes me has it's so neat that they decided
Speaker 1: to set it here, because it just it's such a
Speaker 1: cliche to say that the setting is almost a character.
Speaker 1: But just think about it if you had set this
Speaker 1: in like downtown Toronto or something, you know, and so
Speaker 1: you got these I don't know, you've got the rich
Speaker 1: couple and a bunch of people of rich siblings and
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who are not rich. It just
Speaker 1: wouldn't have the flavor that it does, you know. And
Speaker 1: same thing if you had put it in the French
Speaker 1: Quarter instead, you know, being in these backwards and in
Speaker 1: these you know, if you look at the house, the
Speaker 1: buildings outside, the old man, you know his where he's convalescing,
Speaker 1: those buildings are falling down, and it's amazing looking, you know,
Speaker 1: it really real place.
Speaker 3: I also think the relationships in this, you know, follow
Speaker 3: that certain Southern Gothic tradition and it adds because like, really,
Speaker 3: if you were to just do this as a random
Speaker 3: werewolf movie, it would feel quite generic.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying about.
Speaker 3: The the place making it giving it character.
Speaker 2: Like I really love.
Speaker 3: I talked about this with Tony before we started recording,
Speaker 3: but one of the things I love most in this
Speaker 3: movie is when the cop, the sheriff, the sheriff, yeah,
Speaker 3: goes the visit the the you know, the rich, the
Speaker 3: rich gentleman and the Southern gentleman and his sister and
Speaker 3: in in you know, their home, and the sister reveals
Speaker 3: that she used to have a crush on on the
Speaker 3: sheriff when they were in junior high. And then he said, oh, well,
Speaker 3: I had a crush on you too, And then after
Speaker 3: she goes back in the si back inside, in the
Speaker 3: most genteel Southern way possible, he says, essentially, no, I
Speaker 3: am not letting my sister, who is from a good family,
Speaker 3: data policeman, and that that is so, you know, that
Speaker 3: sort of upper crusty southernness, like, oh no, you have
Speaker 3: to be with somebody from a good family. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter that you're the top cop of this town.
Speaker 2: Like that's not good enough. You could see you.
Speaker 4: Could see the disdain on his face immediately. At first
Speaker 4: I didn't know there was there were I didn't know
Speaker 4: they were siblings. I was like, is this her husband,
Speaker 4: and she's just like flirting in front of him, and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh no, it's the brother.
Speaker 1: He just really is disgusted by the idea.
Speaker 2: You're the help. You're the help. My sister is not
Speaker 2: going to date the help.
Speaker 3: And that still goes on, like if you were to
Speaker 3: be if you were to go to a small southern
Speaker 3: town right now, that pattern of behavior still exists, and
Speaker 3: there's this very polite way of telling someone to fuck
Speaker 3: off without actually saying fuck off, and that actor nails
Speaker 3: it like it's it's so let's talk.
Speaker 4: About Yeah that is it's the Blessed, It's the Blessed,
Speaker 4: bless his heart.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, there's so much really great dialogue that this
Speaker 5: is something I'm you know, sorry to know on this
Speaker 5: a little bit longer, Jason, But I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 5: we're we're what fifty years out from this is the.
Speaker 1: Seventies, Yeah, this nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so we're we're you know, but it's it's
Speaker 5: more rare now in my opinion, that you see that
Speaker 5: you have dialogue that's written. And I don't know if
Speaker 5: it's just people like maybe the writer knew either ay
Speaker 5: either the really good writers, or they knew the area
Speaker 5: in a way, you know, like they knew how to
Speaker 5: build this. And I don't know if it's just you
Speaker 5: get a bunch of people who aren't as familiar and
Speaker 5: maybe don't know, like it's like if you tried to
Speaker 5: ape Stephen King, you're gonna have a hard time unless
Speaker 5: you kind of know that. But I was really struck
Speaker 5: by all of those layers that Drew's been talking about.
Speaker 5: But also there there was a lot there's there was
Speaker 5: a lot more of this in the seventies and into
Speaker 5: the eighties. And even though it's done kind of hamp bistedly,
Speaker 5: like there's a even if you go with like the
Speaker 5: dukes of Hazard Route, there's still like a touch of
Speaker 5: the flavor that's still.
Speaker 2: There, you know that.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's hazard, but it's still had. There's there's
Speaker 5: stuff there that that touches in the Deep South in
Speaker 5: a way that I think modern stuff that I've seen
Speaker 5: is kind of set in Louisiana or around there doesn't
Speaker 5: feel as authentic. And I'm really, I still really curious
Speaker 5: what that is, Like, is it familiarity that was there before?
Speaker 5: Is it just you know, being steeped in that, Like
Speaker 5: I'm unsure, But all the dialogue that takes place in
Speaker 5: the and the layers that are there really work, And
Speaker 5: then you know, I and I really like actually their
Speaker 5: interaction was just really charming. That's why I thought about
Speaker 5: the soap opera aspect. Yes, you know, they're kind of
Speaker 5: going back and forth, and oh, you know, I wish
Speaker 5: I would have known that you had a crush. But
Speaker 5: now that there's there's a lot there, like, I think
Speaker 5: that elevates it beyond kind of like there's a bunch
Speaker 5: that's not when you when you say.
Speaker 2: Oh, movie of the week.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think.
Speaker 5: There's a there's a lot of it's multi layered in
Speaker 5: a way that you wouldn't expect when you when you
Speaker 5: hear movie of the week as a as a term
Speaker 5: for this.
Speaker 1: Okay, I agree with that. I mean, you're right because
Speaker 1: a lot of times it will be sort of generic
Speaker 1: because it's just taking place in and around, in and
Speaker 1: around a city like Los Angeles or what have you.
Speaker 1: Whereas this, yes, this knows a lot about that world.
Speaker 1: And by the way, to answer your question about you know,
Speaker 1: how familiar is the writer? So I don't know much
Speaker 1: about Leslie H. Whitten. He's the one who wrote the book.
Speaker 1: But the director is Daniel Petrie. Now he is not
Speaker 1: part of this world at all. He was a Canadian
Speaker 1: and he came to the United States and taught at
Speaker 1: Northwestern and directed Raisin in the Sun, which by the way,
Speaker 1: starred Claudia McNeil, so he brings her over from having
Speaker 1: directed Raisin the Sun, which I think is awesome.
Speaker 5: I mean that might be part of the foundation for it,
Speaker 5: right because.
Speaker 1: It's, yeah, he's aware of how to play all these
Speaker 1: characters from different parts of life off of one another.
Speaker 1: For sure. I think we can linger on all of
Speaker 1: that because I want to talk about some of these
Speaker 1: actors in particular, because we'll get to Bradford Dillman, but
Speaker 1: David Jansen. I wish I understood how people thought about
Speaker 1: David Jansen, because David Jansen is the star of this movie,
Speaker 1: and he's the one with the romantic storyline, and he's
Speaker 1: the one who's investigating, and yet with the hair that
Speaker 1: he has and the sideburns and the paunch and the
Speaker 1: slumping and the grumbling, I'm always liked, did anybody go
Speaker 1: David Janssen sex god like that? It was there was?
Speaker 1: You know, have things changed so much since the seventies
Speaker 1: that back then David Jansen was a heart throb or
Speaker 1: was always just a character actor that people just that
Speaker 1: was beloved of people, You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Both things can be true because there's plenty of character
Speaker 4: actors that a lot of people find really attractive. Like
Speaker 4: there's a lot of movies where Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 4: was telling I was joking when we were leaving we
Speaker 4: went to see Weapons last night. I was joking seeing
Speaker 4: all the posters that Pedro Pascal is on and by
Speaker 4: the way, he was meant to be in Weapons also,
Speaker 4: But I was joking that it's like that Jonathan episode
Speaker 4: of Buffy where the reality he has shifted to the
Speaker 4: Jonathan's the center of the universe, and I'm like, it's
Speaker 4: Pedro Pascal. Pedro Pascal is not traditionally just hot, but
Speaker 4: he's very sexy because of how he is, you know,
Speaker 4: so he's become this heart. But if you were to
Speaker 4: look at a picture of Pedro Pascal and a picture
Speaker 4: of Chris Almans and Chris Hemsworth, you'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I get those two, but that guy really like how
Speaker 4: he was like the center of.
Speaker 2: The universe in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, I feel like that's kind of what
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: I don't Jamie thinks he's he's really hot, so I
Speaker 3: I'll have to ask about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody thinks he's hot, but I don't think that
Speaker 4: if you just looked at a picture of him.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's better looking than I think
Speaker 3: he's better looking than me, but that doesn't say anything.
Speaker 2: He's also a movie star.
Speaker 4: I will I will not comment on this.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that I'm not asking you too. That
Speaker 2: would be.
Speaker 4: Awkward, Pascal for coming next to like the traditional you know,
Speaker 4: just like hot guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know that you would recognize.
Speaker 3: And the super in the sphere of superhero movies. I
Speaker 3: will say this, it does help that he is playing
Speaker 3: a character that's his biggest muscle is his brain, like
Speaker 3: he's not supposed to be He's not supposed to be
Speaker 3: thor I think Jami actually just.
Speaker 2: Walked Jimmy actually, Jimmy actually just walked in here, hold
Speaker 2: on here. Never mind.
Speaker 1: Then, I don't necessarily want us to go off on
Speaker 1: a pedro Pascal hunt. I'm curious about David Janssen.
Speaker 5: So Jason, I think to your point, though, I think
Speaker 5: that also in this era, the heart robby kind of actors,
Speaker 5: or the actors who were considered attractive, I think they
Speaker 5: did also skew older. When you think of TV like
Speaker 5: look at look at what's out right? Like you're like
Speaker 5: heart heart and you know whatever, like you name it.
Speaker 5: There's a bunch of older actors and acts.
Speaker 1: That's a good point because Darren McGavin also is kind
Speaker 1: of a krusty you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like I just I just pulled one.
Speaker 3: Out, like hold hold the phone, like whatever you think
Speaker 3: about this Sky Jason, he's better looking than Darren McGavin.
Speaker 1: I love David Jensen, don't get me wrong. And I
Speaker 1: loved The Fugitive by the way, David Jensen not for nothing,
Speaker 1: forty one years old in this movie forty one or
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 5: You're more so at the same time, you have like
Speaker 5: so you have like the other end of the spectrum,
Speaker 5: be like hardy boys, right. Yeah, But I would say
Speaker 5: that in general during this time period, you do have
Speaker 5: a lot of older actors who are considered the heart
Speaker 5: props and less and you and it's kind of like,
Speaker 5: now we kind of reached this like oh, well, you
Speaker 5: got to have hot person of a certain age with
Speaker 5: a certain look. And I also that that well hold up.
Speaker 5: I think also that gets typecast because you have the
Speaker 5: other thing where you have oh, it's a CW cast, right,
Speaker 5: and that became like the movies like oh, it's like
Speaker 5: looks like c W. Right, Yeah, young attractive people.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean think about the Fog remake where.
Speaker 1: We had yes, exactly exact guy from.
Speaker 3: From Smallville playing right like, but I mean, of course
Speaker 3: that's now twenty something.
Speaker 1: But they took you're right because the original The Fog
Speaker 1: has all the character actors in it and did not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like.
Speaker 3: My point about this guy is that he is good
Speaker 3: looking in a way that he would be considered good
Speaker 3: looking in a small town, right, but he is also
Speaker 3: believably a sheriff, Like he looks like he could do
Speaker 3: the job, which, to Tony's point, I do think they
Speaker 3: used to care a lot more about that authen like
Speaker 3: you can believe that this this attractive you know, well
Speaker 3: to do woman is attracted to him because he's handsome
Speaker 3: and charismatic enough. Yes, you know, like I never once
Speaker 3: questioned that she she has a thing for.
Speaker 2: Him, mamily. I mean he's like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that you know again when we are introduced
Speaker 5: to them, they have a history, yes, so that and
Speaker 5: that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: But I also, like Julia just hit something on the head.
Speaker 3: Manliness is its own kind of attractiveness, Like, like it's
Speaker 3: not you know, like it's why we say certain people
Speaker 3: look rugged, you know, like that's not you know, like
Speaker 3: like Clint.
Speaker 4: Eastwood, why there's fireman calendars? You know, yeah, well just
Speaker 4: and they go, yes, please, And it doesn't matter what
Speaker 4: the guy looks like.
Speaker 2: He's fireball.
Speaker 3: And I mean even in in gay culture, you know,
Speaker 3: which is generally more physically fit than than heteros. The
Speaker 3: uh you know you have bear you know, which are
Speaker 3: big burly dudes, and so like, you know, like it's
Speaker 3: it's it's not as improbable as you think it is.
Speaker 2: Jason, I don't.
Speaker 1: Think it's improbable. I asked the question more to sort
Speaker 1: of take a look at at sort of how things
Speaker 1: have changed. I feel like there was room for David Jansen,
Speaker 1: a forty one year old guy who looks about fifty eight,
Speaker 1: to be the star of and romantic lead of this movie.
Speaker 1: And thank god for the rest of us poor well.
Speaker 3: You know he I think you're doing him at disservice.
Speaker 3: I don't think he looks fifty eight, but.
Speaker 2: You know, I.
Speaker 1: Well, look fifty, look fifty. Something is different now from
Speaker 1: what it was in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2: That is true. That is true because he.
Speaker 1: Can get his hair different into you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: But he would look also look less like a small
Speaker 3: town cop if he for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that's that's exactly the fog problem is
Speaker 1: once you get rid of the lived in sorts of actors,
Speaker 1: then it feels more like like a CW show would have.
Speaker 3: You would have a scene, you would have the obliglatory
Speaker 3: scene where he shows off his Jim jim perfectly sculpted
Speaker 3: apps and you know, like.
Speaker 1: But only one guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's there's a big difference though, too. Like Rain
Speaker 5: was watching some man I can't remember the name of it,
Speaker 5: but it's a you know, thriller mystery soap opera show,
Speaker 5: and you know, all the guys have like a generic
Speaker 5: facial hair and very are very chiseled, and they're the
Speaker 5: bad guys and they're the cops, and they're like, all
Speaker 5: these guys look really similar and you know, and by
Speaker 5: the standards today, they're all attractive guys, right and and
Speaker 5: they but I'll be damned if I know who like,
Speaker 5: I'll pass by and watch it. I don't know, like
Speaker 5: they don't have the real Another reason why we keep
Speaker 5: saying lived in is they everybody looks everybody looks like
Speaker 5: the character, and that's part of like, hey, let's hire
Speaker 5: a bunch of good actors who also happen to be
Speaker 5: character actors. We're gonna put him in this thing. And
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, I think if you you, I think
Speaker 5: you hit on the head with the difference between original
Speaker 5: fog and the new fog. Like that, we tend to
Speaker 5: get more of what the new fog looks like in
Speaker 5: in conventional cinema as it is now conventional.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I also.
Speaker 5: Think it's the same, right.
Speaker 2: I think there's.
Speaker 3: Also a homogeny of what you're supposed to think is attractive.
Speaker 3: Now you know, you're you're only allowed one or two types.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Barbara.
Speaker 3: Rush, getting this into the direction that Jason wants to go,
Speaker 3: is the most movie star looking person in this movie.
Speaker 3: She's she's stunning, she's on her clothes. But yeah, continued,
Speaker 3: she works because of where her social standing is, like
Speaker 3: she should be a little bit more glamorous because she's
Speaker 3: supposed to be well off.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what Jason was saying, I did feel like all
Speaker 4: of the clothes and I don't know if it's just
Speaker 4: the clothes of that time, they all look like somebody
Speaker 4: made them out of one of those patterns that you
Speaker 4: could get at the you know, at the local fabric store.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I do think. I think that that's
Speaker 5: probably pretty close from I mean, yeah, that is the
Speaker 5: disservice of the Stephanie. There's a lot of fashions like, oh,
Speaker 5: why is everything drapes right?
Speaker 2: Her hair is? Her hair is amazing?
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, she's beautiful.
Speaker 5: She's supposed to be because she's you know, her standing
Speaker 5: is head and shoulders above pretty much everybody else in
Speaker 5: the movie.
Speaker 3: And I also really like that this is a romance
Speaker 3: that is, first of all played very sweet and almost yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's between two people in their forties, which I
Speaker 3: don't think you would see now.
Speaker 1: Isn't that great? I mean it is. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of cool. Well, I mean I say this as
Speaker 1: an older person, you know, but it is. It's it's
Speaker 1: cool to see them sort of fumbling their way through
Speaker 1: this this romance. They're sweet, her in her pants suits,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really neat. Bradford Dilman, who plays the douchebag,
Speaker 1: who says, well, you don't suppose that my sister was
Speaker 1: seriously flirting with you. Blah blah blah. That guy plays
Speaker 1: a douchebag in every single thing I've ever seen him in.
Speaker 1: I I it's like it's on his punchable face that
Speaker 1: like some some casting director said, yep, get me a
Speaker 1: Bradford Dillman.
Speaker 5: I always wonder. I'm sure there's a bunch of people
Speaker 5: who are just great people, but there's certain actors who
Speaker 5: always play that. Yes, I kind of you start you
Speaker 5: do start to wonder, like are you how close?
Speaker 1: Is that sucks?
Speaker 5: I because you know, I there's there's several people who
Speaker 5: just like when you ever see him, you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: they're gonna play the guy you just want to hate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they never they.
Speaker 5: Seem to get a lot of work there. But then
Speaker 5: I wonder, like, how long can you were they that person?
Speaker 5: And how long can you be that character in all
Speaker 5: these movies and not have it rub like at least
Speaker 5: a little bit. I'm always curious about you.
Speaker 2: Know, he probably was a great guy, like I.
Speaker 6: Always assume, But then, like you know, it's it's always
Speaker 6: it's always strange when you have a character character actor
Speaker 6: who's like very specific, like.
Speaker 5: It's not like villain villain, but like a really like, oh,
Speaker 5: that guy just gets he's it might be his general
Speaker 5: upper crusty southernness in this movie.
Speaker 2: I would describe this guy as a cat.
Speaker 1: That is, that is delightfully punishable. He uh. In real life,
Speaker 1: so he had two marriages, one from fifty six to
Speaker 1: sixty two, and then he married again in sixty three
Speaker 1: and remained married until two thousand and three when his
Speaker 1: wife died. So so I don't know, you know, somebody
Speaker 1: could stand him for a long time. Probably this is
Speaker 1: acting and he's like, you know, but boy, he's good
Speaker 1: at playing a smug asshole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, in fairness, he's the title character.
Speaker 3: Yes, which I know that this is supposed to be
Speaker 3: a mystery. Yeah, but not once did I think anybody
Speaker 3: else was the werewolf the first time I saw this,
Speaker 3: like I knew.
Speaker 4: Well, I was hoping, Yeah, he seemed obvious, But then
Speaker 4: I was hoping that he was too obvious, Like I
Speaker 4: was like, maybe it's that turns out to be the sister,
Speaker 4: or maybe it turns out it's actually the sheriff, or
Speaker 4: maybe it turns out it's actually the doctor. You know,
Speaker 4: because it seemed too obvious.
Speaker 3: For it's it wasn't, because this is a Southern Gothic
Speaker 3: it had to be somebody that was rich like that
Speaker 3: could have been the sister if they wanted to be
Speaker 3: even you know, something more tragic, but it was going
Speaker 3: to be somebody. And indeed, like when we when we
Speaker 3: learned the origin of the lycanthropy, it's it's something that's
Speaker 3: apparently passed down through the family line, so like it's
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's it's almost as if there were
Speaker 3: wolf ism and their their affluence are kind of tied together,
Speaker 3: and they're they're literally feeding on the poor, which is
Speaker 3: probably it's it's probably you know that that's probably more
Speaker 3: of a high falutin idea than anybody involved with this
Speaker 3: was thinking. But you know, I mean it is it
Speaker 3: works very well within the Southern Gothic framework.
Speaker 5: I mean, if it was you know, close, and that
Speaker 5: would be close to reality. In fact, the closest reality
Speaker 5: would be if somebody else knew, the doctor or a
Speaker 5: judge or somebody. Yeah, we know that they're we know
Speaker 5: that they're rich, and they are also wear wolves, but
Speaker 5: they only kind of eat the poor, so we kind
Speaker 5: of let them like that. That would definitely happen, no
Speaker 5: doubt about in my mind that if if it came
Speaker 5: out like yeah, but they gotta let him eat the
Speaker 5: poor because like that that absolutely, hands down, there would
Speaker 5: be some people who knew and just look the other
Speaker 5: way that I'm convinced.
Speaker 3: The Jeffrey Lewis character is definitely set up as like
Speaker 3: a red herring, like right down to the fact that
Speaker 3: his name is Lawrence y you know, and.
Speaker 1: And lewis playing the same part that he plays in
Speaker 1: Salem's Lot more or less.
Speaker 3: And he's even left handed, which is a bit of
Speaker 3: where wolf folklore, because where wolves, people who are left
Speaker 3: handed were thought to be where wolves.
Speaker 1: So you know that's really they're they're stress this family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know the.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Lewis, let's linger on him for just a moment,
Speaker 1: because he's another just ultra reliable. Look, David Jansen's a star. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's not a character actor. He's he was the lead
Speaker 1: of a bunch of TV shows, including The Fugitive. But
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Lewis is a character actor. Tried and true. He
Speaker 1: he and when I was a kid, he was everywhere
Speaker 1: like he just yeah, he's on so many movies and
Speaker 1: he's wonderful. I have no idea what he was like
Speaker 1: as a person, you know, which is true of several
Speaker 1: of these people, because I feel the same way about
Speaker 1: Royal Dan, and I've got no idea like but Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Lewis is so good at playing these sort of rough
Speaker 1: around the edges, although not typically malevolent characters, you know,
Speaker 1: And and like I guess Juliet Lewis could tell us
Speaker 1: what he was like. But yeah, it's so good seeing him, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he he has a very very very interesting
Speaker 3: look about him that could imply malevolence, which is why
Speaker 3: he makes such a striking vampire in Salem's Lot, and
Speaker 3: so you can kind of believe that he's a were wolf.
Speaker 3: But I again, I never would have suspected him because
Speaker 3: I just you just know, it's not going to be
Speaker 3: one of the poor people.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That did not even occur to me. But I guess
Speaker 1: you're right that that I didn't really suspect him of
Speaker 1: being a were wolf. I knew it was gonna You're
Speaker 1: exactly right. I didn't even think about it. You're articulating
Speaker 1: something that was going on without my actually thinking it aloud,
Speaker 1: which there was no way it was going to be
Speaker 1: anybody but essentially part of the upper crust.
Speaker 4: Or I was hoping it would be the doctor maybe
Speaker 4: because I thought that would have been fun.
Speaker 1: That guy's from General Hospital, by the way, and doctor
Speaker 1: doctor werewolf EMPD Yes.
Speaker 4: Doctor doctor third in my class, m d. Doctor knocked
Speaker 4: out the dead woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doctor third in your class is not the
Speaker 3: flex you think it is.
Speaker 1: What an amazing guy. That was where I thought this
Speaker 1: script is a little funny because this actor saying these
Speaker 1: lines like I couldn't stay away from this young woman.
Speaker 1: Then I gave her a bubble too of a musicer
Speaker 1: like it that I like this guy being here. There's
Speaker 1: something funny and counterintuitive about it.
Speaker 2: But who starts their life over at fifty?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I think he's also like I like that
Speaker 5: once because he's trying to just, you know, I gotta
Speaker 5: do my doctor thing. And then the more he talks,
Speaker 5: the more you realize this is a man trapped in
Speaker 5: a place he did not see himself being trapped in, yes,
Speaker 5: and he just kind of well, I'm stuck in you know,
Speaker 5: b F Louisiana, and that's my lot in life. And
Speaker 5: that's why eventually he comes to this lee. They can't
Speaker 5: start over in the city at fifty. Nobody's you know,
Speaker 5: but his life the.
Speaker 1: Word fifty by the way, because well I think he
Speaker 1: left behind a few years ago.
Speaker 5: Well but but you know, his whole thing is I'm
Speaker 5: stuck with these rubes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not much better, but I have my you know,
Speaker 5: I feel like I am because I'm a doctor.
Speaker 1: Right, He's this giant fish in a little pond. And
Speaker 1: if and that's kind of what he really means is
Speaker 1: that he has station here.
Speaker 5: You know, if he but suck, it's a cage. It's
Speaker 5: like it's a cage for him as well as you know, Hey,
Speaker 5: he's the he gets respect in ways that he might
Speaker 5: not elsewhere. Certainly not like you know, go to the
Speaker 5: city is what he's talking about. Third year class as
Speaker 5: a matter in the city, right, and probably if you're
Speaker 5: starting over well yeah, but but you know, like so
Speaker 5: he's he's comfortable. And that's part of why, you know,
Speaker 5: why he's got the young girl and and all of
Speaker 5: you know, all these all this stuff that's happening is
Speaker 5: because he's definitely in a place he never envisioned himself.
Speaker 5: And throughout the movie, it's just getting worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that that is a that is a
Speaker 1: really cool character and it makes me want to read
Speaker 1: this book even more. And as you're talking about it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a procedural so setting up these different, these
Speaker 1: different you know, possible culprits. Right, because the Sarah, the nurse, says,
Speaker 1: find out who made the girl pregnant. That's going to
Speaker 1: be your your bad guy. And but David Jansen.
Speaker 4: Essentially why I wanted him to be the werewolf because
Speaker 4: I wanted her to be right that he's the one
Speaker 4: I knocked her up, so therefore he killed her.
Speaker 1: Right, But no, it was it wasn't that at all.
Speaker 5: And you know, also the the the other part of
Speaker 5: the dynamic in this is when she's talking to the sheriff.
Speaker 5: Because of the politics of the town, not the sheriff
Speaker 5: has to listen because he knows he's got to be everywhere.
Speaker 5: But she also knows that. The part of the reason
Speaker 5: she hasn't said anything elsewhere is because she knows her
Speaker 5: voice won't be heard. Yeah, the sheriff is the only
Speaker 5: person by by default, even though he's like a nicer guy. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you could play this a bunch of ways. You know,
Speaker 5: he could be much worse, but you know he's there
Speaker 5: to listen to everyone. Yeah, And so part of the
Speaker 5: reasons she's cagey in the way that she is until
Speaker 5: she's talking to him is because you know, in this
Speaker 5: town she doesn't have any or doesn't have as much hand,
Speaker 5: you know, because like it's certainly, certainly she's not the
Speaker 5: one who can speak against the doctor.
Speaker 1: Right, that's right, and there's a there's a thing. So
Speaker 1: you could present the sheriff in a lot of different ways,
Speaker 1: because he could be an evil, corrupt sheriff, but in
Speaker 1: this case, you have a good sheriff. And in a mystery,
Speaker 1: typically and usually it's a pi. What what distinguishes the
Speaker 1: hero in one of these stories is that they're kind
Speaker 1: of an insider outsider. They're an insider that can move
Speaker 1: through all They can move up and down, they can
Speaker 1: go to the lowliest cabin, they can go to the
Speaker 1: biggest house. They can kind of put up with people
Speaker 1: being snied to them no matter what, you know. And
Speaker 1: that's a cool character that you know, and it's true,
Speaker 1: like everybody knows they can talk to this guy. Look,
Speaker 1: he's he's investigating this murder and he's hanging out with
Speaker 1: all the people who might be the culprit, like all
Speaker 1: the way through which I which I find strange and
Speaker 1: comforting really that that he's like, yeah, well, why don't
Speaker 1: you come along? It's it's right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and apparently this guy does know he's a were
Speaker 3: wolf because he kept a gun fully loaded with silver
Speaker 3: bullets in his home, so like he's he's really only
Speaker 3: hanging out with the sheriff, either to find out how
Speaker 3: much the sheriff knows or I don't know.
Speaker 2: Convenient meal, I don't know.
Speaker 4: The lord doesn't include silver bullets in this one. It's
Speaker 4: blessed bullets because I don't think.
Speaker 2: Well she said blessed blessed silver bullets.
Speaker 4: Oh doesssed silver bullets?
Speaker 3: Okay, but burning or blessed silver bullets either. Either way,
Speaker 3: he knows he's a were wolf. He's got he's got
Speaker 3: he's got a gun loaded up with with the magic
Speaker 3: bullets in the in the in his home.
Speaker 1: So yeah, in a sense, he's biding his time until
Speaker 1: he finally reveals himself and and and gets himself killed
Speaker 1: by his sister, which by the way, is also wonderfully
Speaker 1: she she's great.
Speaker 2: In the last scene though, like is harrowing? Is that
Speaker 2: all is yea for her?
Speaker 3: You know, like she's not exactly a shrinking violet like
Speaker 3: she becomes you know, like she becomes basically the hero
Speaker 3: and the last section of the movie, you know, like
Speaker 3: she's taken care of taking care of business what.
Speaker 1: Barbara Stanwick wasn't available and and so you know we
Speaker 1: have we have Barbara Barbara Russia. But that's exactly a
Speaker 1: Standwarik kind of thing.
Speaker 3: She What's interesting to me is like the mixture of
Speaker 3: like classic where we'll movie lore with like the the
Speaker 3: you know, the Rugarou stuff, because like you have this
Speaker 3: guy having a seizure because he smelled the sulfur. But
Speaker 3: also you know, they mentioned the whole bit about you know,
Speaker 3: him seeing a pentagram in the palm of his next victim,
Speaker 3: which is is you know, a straight lift from the
Speaker 3: wolf Man. You know, it's not it's not something from
Speaker 3: Rugaru stuff. So like it's like sort of like mix
Speaker 3: mix and match where wolf folks, which is fine, you know,
Speaker 3: like it's it's okay, I'm not complaining. I just I
Speaker 3: just find that they use like were wolf shorthand for
Speaker 3: one thing, but then they'll introduce something completely you know,
Speaker 3: specific to the setting, like the sulfur, and you know
Speaker 3: that that's.
Speaker 2: Cool to me.
Speaker 3: She does try to burn her brother alive, which is
Speaker 3: a lot dark like he he ends up getting shot,
Speaker 3: which is a is a much nicer way to go that,
Speaker 3: presumably even if you're a werewolf.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is I do kind of like that, and
Speaker 5: we kind of know we know why he's having the
Speaker 5: seizure or we're pretty sure, but I do like the
Speaker 5: in world story where it's also could just be like, well,
Speaker 5: you know the rich are kind of weak bread like
Speaker 5: there's a yeah, well, well there's there's always the like, yeah,
Speaker 5: well the rich folks are kind of have their their problem.
Speaker 5: Their blood problems are their face like like all the
Speaker 5: kind of in breeding slash, you know, all the maladies
Speaker 5: of the rich. It kind of makes sense to like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was always a sickly one, you know.
Speaker 3: Well, and he's even he's even saying that his sister
Speaker 3: is sickly. You know, like yes, you half expect him
Speaker 3: to go, well, I how to how to touch us
Speaker 3: the vapor buzz right, right.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we we're okay with that given the you know,
Speaker 5: royalty just sometimes as these maladies.
Speaker 1: Isn't that wild? Like once this world fantastic? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you accept it because you're in this Southern Gothic world.
Speaker 1: Anytime there's these weeping willows around everywhere, suddenly it's you
Speaker 1: can hear people talk about these sort of silly nineteenth
Speaker 1: century ideas of medicine and everything, and you go, yeah, okay, sure,
Speaker 1: because we've suspended all all scientific rules and we're we're
Speaker 1: in weird Southern Gothic lands now.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I you know, I also like the werewolf,
Speaker 5: and again they're smart. We only kind of see the
Speaker 5: wholf and it's a very human looking werewolf. But I
Speaker 5: also liked the jail break in yes it and I
Speaker 5: guess you know so also I was thinking the closest
Speaker 5: I think we've had to like a Precinct thirteen with
Speaker 5: werewolves's probably dog soldiers, right. But I would also totally watch,
Speaker 5: and I don't know if I've seen it, a oopster
Speaker 5: happens to be a werewolf in prison. That that is
Speaker 5: a movie I would also watch. That would be cool.
Speaker 1: Well, that sounds like alien in a prison.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you could do a lot with that. But anyway,
Speaker 5: I was like, I was it made you know, that
Speaker 5: said all kinds of wheels in motion, Uh seeing that
Speaker 5: because you know, we don't I guess, you know, I
Speaker 5: guess the original world, you know Werewolf movies, he's he
Speaker 5: hides in the in the jail to try to like, hey,
Speaker 5: lock me in here. We have the opposite where he's
Speaker 5: trying to cover up you know, the Werewolve's trying to
Speaker 5: cover up his trail. Yeah, totally busting into the like
Speaker 5: all that. That's that stuff was cool. It's you know,
Speaker 5: strong as hell, like, yeah, that's and that's at the
Speaker 5: point where they know, like this isn't just a murderer.
Speaker 5: This this whatever is going on, can rip the whole
Speaker 5: you know, doors off of a cell.
Speaker 1: All because none of them are strong enough to tear
Speaker 1: out iron bars.
Speaker 5: I thought that was that was cool. That was unexpected
Speaker 5: and interesting and made me think about a lot of
Speaker 5: stuff that could be written then would be awesome. But
Speaker 5: I think in here it's really solid. Plus they have
Speaker 5: the you know, before this, they do have the like, yeah,
Speaker 5: sleep it off kind of the almost Maybury.
Speaker 1: Like yes, yeah we know you're here, but.
Speaker 5: You know we know you and that that stuff is
Speaker 5: truly only really happens in small towns because everybody knows
Speaker 5: each other and like, yeah, like we got to keep
Speaker 5: you here, but we all kind of know. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: thought that all that stuff, all that stuff is really great, wonderful.
Speaker 1: Is We've been all over the place, mainly making our
Speaker 1: way through by talking about themes and actors. But is
Speaker 1: there anything that we should bring up that that that
Speaker 1: I've missed, because I, you know, my main thing that
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure. Oh yeah, Royal Dano. Royal
Speaker 1: Dano here plays you know, the Tom Germandy's this this
Speaker 1: grumbly old guy in the in this shack with his
Speaker 1: son played by John Davis Chandler. And I think it's
Speaker 1: hilarious by the way that on the night of the
Speaker 1: murder he had gone to the movies, which I thought
Speaker 1: was was great. You know that this this guy, you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's such a strange character with his grumbling voice
Speaker 1: and everything. I don't know what Royal Dano was like.
Speaker 1: He may have been a really wonderful, genteel person. He
Speaker 1: always plays this cantankerous country.
Speaker 2: Except when he's Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 1: Except for when he's Abraham Lincoln. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: that makes it really interesting, like I want to know
Speaker 1: more about Royal Danel.
Speaker 3: Royal Royal Dano has one of the best exchanges with
Speaker 3: the sheriff in this movie because the sheriff asks him
Speaker 3: where you know, did you He's asking him if he
Speaker 3: he put his son, his adult son to bed that night,
Speaker 3: and the Royal Dane points out, no, my son is
Speaker 3: a grown up.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't check in on.
Speaker 5: All of that. All that was great, like.
Speaker 3: The he is the sort of actor though, like the
Speaker 3: exact sort of actor that we're talking about.
Speaker 2: That just adds like.
Speaker 3: You believe that he is this guy that lives in
Speaker 3: a shack on the side of a swamp, you know, like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and again the people they got and the dialogue
Speaker 5: and how it all works together, like you get that
Speaker 5: they live out here and they deal with all this
Speaker 5: stuff all the time. I also like that interaction because
Speaker 5: the subtext is, look, man, we live in the swamp,
Speaker 5: but we're not stupid, right weirdos like give me a break,
Speaker 5: go back to town, you know, like come on, Like
Speaker 5: but there's that that you know, look, I know how
Speaker 5: you think of me, but come on, and that it's
Speaker 5: it's just layered so well, I just keep as I
Speaker 5: was watching it, it just felt it's so lived in and believable,
Speaker 5: and that doesn't I don't think that that happens as
Speaker 5: much as people would like in cinema these days. And
Speaker 5: I don't again, I don't know exactly what. And then
Speaker 5: there's there's good examples of that, and there's just good storytelling,
Speaker 5: but there's just something about this period of time and
Speaker 5: kind of how this all works again that's elevated, I think,
Speaker 5: beyond a TV movie. Not that, and like I said before,
Speaker 5: like you don't expect it because of the usual budgets
Speaker 5: and stuff that you get, or that that maybe a
Speaker 5: lot and also you know, in a lot of TV
Speaker 5: movies it's kind of a more more overly dramatic. There's
Speaker 5: a certain style and I kept coming back to it
Speaker 5: in this movie that just you could take the work.
Speaker 5: You could even it could be a different mystery. It
Speaker 5: could be a murder mystery without the werewolf. I think again,
Speaker 5: I love that it has the werewolf, but it could
Speaker 5: be a murder mystery. It would be just as effective
Speaker 5: and probably not as memorable, maybe, I think, because that's
Speaker 5: part of what the charm. Yeah, yeah, the werewolf aspect
Speaker 5: is a supernatural aspect that makes it different. But you
Speaker 5: again when you said, like, oh, you want supernatural plus.
Speaker 1: In the heat of the night, Like, yeah, yes, but
Speaker 1: in the it does work a lot better when you
Speaker 1: go ahead and and like I like Peyton plays. But
Speaker 1: one of the big problems was that they cut out
Speaker 1: the poor people. They decided, for whatever reason, that the
Speaker 1: audience wanted to watch the middle class and the rich.
Speaker 1: And what it made the book really saucy was all
Speaker 1: of that class stuff, and you know, and they cut
Speaker 1: all that out of the TV series until much much later,
Speaker 1: several seasons and so but in the Heat but you
Speaker 1: can do it, and you should and it makes it memorable,
Speaker 1: but you got to be kind of brave to deal
Speaker 1: with all of that stuff. Dano, by the way, was
Speaker 1: in Messiah of the Evil, which I can't remember what
Speaker 1: year that came out, but he plays He plays the
Speaker 1: father of the main character is trying to this woman's
Speaker 1: trying to figure out why there's this weird zombie outbreak
Speaker 1: in California, and he shows up halfway through just to
Speaker 1: warn her to leave. And he's just it's not even
Speaker 1: a very big part, and he's so memorable. He just
Speaker 1: elevates everything that he's in. And yes, he is memorialized
Speaker 1: now as a robot at Disneyland or wherever.
Speaker 2: Wherever Robo Lincoln Lincoln.
Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, would it be neat by the way,
Speaker 1: if there were an emergency at Disneyland, and so robo
Speaker 1: Lincoln comes comes to life at night and goes and
Speaker 1: and and solves it all.
Speaker 3: And it's I think Robo Lincoln should come to life
Speaker 3: and become president.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it sounds like it's a j like
Speaker 5: Magnola adjacent what you're talking.
Speaker 1: About, Like, yeah, I was gonna say it's the screwing head. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, all right, having having but also.
Speaker 5: Watch a film full of animatronics, like all the all
Speaker 5: of the animatronics walk off and they become assassins.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a it's it's a reverse five Nights.
Speaker 3: Instead of being up to evil, they're they're doing uh,
Speaker 3: they're gonna do good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just wander around doing good. They break they
Speaker 1: break into Congress and give them a lot of advice
Speaker 1: and how to write legislation. And then yeah, the whole
Speaker 1: of the the idea of the Hall of Presidents just
Speaker 1: wandering off to do good in the land is a
Speaker 1: hilarious is a hilarious idea.
Speaker 5: That's just where my head is. I I just pictured
Speaker 5: an army of Lincoln's killing Nazis or you know, white supremacists.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, oh my god, this army of robo
Speaker 5: Lincoln's has invaded our clan rally.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 5: I like, I like, I mean, I like the idea
Speaker 5: of doing good. That's probably a better thing. But also
Speaker 5: I would watch.
Speaker 1: You can do both. I guarantee you. We can fit
Speaker 1: all of this in.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe the Benjamin Franklins go to Congress and help
Speaker 5: and then robo Lincoln's take up their axes an.
Speaker 1: Idea because they also invariably have robo Mark Twain voiced
Speaker 1: by Hal Holbrook.
Speaker 5: And and oh, I think he's the I think robo
Speaker 5: Mark Twain is the one that's fousing.
Speaker 1: Well, he's the lead.
Speaker 5: I think he's the general, remarks as the robo Lincoln
Speaker 5: just pull uh the robot.
Speaker 4: Isn't there a Lincoln Vampire hunter already?
Speaker 1: So just there is. But luckily it's about ten years back,
Speaker 1: so we got plenty of room.
Speaker 2: We actually did that one on the show a million
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, I met somebody at a baby birthday
Speaker 3: party who their husband and does a horror movie podcast,
Speaker 3: and she was saying, Oh, yeah, he's got it. He's
Speaker 3: got a he's got a lot of episodes. He's he's
Speaker 3: just done like his hundredth episode. And I I swear
Speaker 3: I'm not a prick, but in the back of my mind,
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, how quaint.
Speaker 5: No, you got a leadist in your mind about the show.
Speaker 5: I don't know, that's funny.
Speaker 3: I felt slightly ashamed, but not so ashamed that I
Speaker 3: won't be confessional about it.
Speaker 2: The uh.
Speaker 1: By the way, Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. So our friends
Speaker 1: over at Mounster really Happy Hour did an episode on that,
Speaker 1: and I think the funniest thing was hearing them remark
Speaker 1: in the kind of sense they were like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think the history I'm paraphrasing, but it was like,
Speaker 1: the history is a little problematic in this film.
Speaker 2: That there weren't vampires involved the war.
Speaker 1: Well, actually it's less that and more that they just
Speaker 1: kind of jumbled up a whole bunch of stuff involving
Speaker 1: both the Civil War and the President of the United States.
Speaker 3: And I remember, I just remember that that movie was
Speaker 3: very divisive when we recorded an episode on it like
Speaker 3: that was like strangely heated. I may be misremembering, but
Speaker 3: I remember that Tony and I liked it, and you
Speaker 3: and Julia very much did not like it, and I
Speaker 3: and I remember that being one of the more device like.
Speaker 1: I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I could be mis remembering. I could be misremembering.
Speaker 3: I kind of want to go back and re listen
Speaker 3: to it now, even though I'm sure even well, like
Speaker 3: when I do go back and revisit our old episodes, inevitably,
Speaker 3: I am always shocked at how terrible the sound on
Speaker 3: my recording sounds. But you know, and hopefully it's better now.
Speaker 5: But you get to four score, the less you remember, Jason.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, I'm I don't know.
Speaker 2: There were top hats and there was an axe, and
Speaker 2: there was.
Speaker 1: Probably a lot more pretentious several hundred episodes ago.
Speaker 3: Uh, once you, once you've done Vampire Hookers, all bets
Speaker 3: are off.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is that's why there's no consistency in
Speaker 1: my in me on this show, because I'll at once
Speaker 1: go this Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter is preposterous, and then
Speaker 1: like two weeks later Ago Vampire Hookers actually has a
Speaker 1: lot to recommend it.
Speaker 3: I think, I think, I think that I think that
Speaker 3: that also speaks to horror phantom at large in a way.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm with you that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it did have John Kerry. So that's but
Speaker 1: all right, getting back to for for those like three
Speaker 1: listeners who are left, getting back to the Moon of
Speaker 1: the Wolf, we should get our final thoughts and then
Speaker 1: go to endorsements. So Drew, Gosh, this was fun to
Speaker 1: talk about. Give me your final thoughts on Moon of
Speaker 1: the Wolf.
Speaker 3: I am glad that we came back on this obscure
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy two TV movie because somehow, when we started
Speaker 3: coming to this discussion about what our first episode back,
Speaker 3: I somehow decided I was going to send a fourteen
Speaker 3: movie long list to everyone on our group chat, and
Speaker 3: after much debate, we somehow ended on this movie. And yet,
Speaker 3: and yet, through that somewhat convoluted system, this ended up
Speaker 3: being the right decision because this conversation was a joy,
Speaker 3: and I think that is what I needed tonight of
Speaker 3: all nights, is to dissect this wonderfully wacky TV movie with.
Speaker 5: Y'all thinks like trust the system, system work from the
Speaker 5: outside it may look like chaos, but look look where
Speaker 5: we always get.
Speaker 1: Julia, what are your thoughts.
Speaker 4: I think this has been a fun conversation. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: think the characters are interesting. Uh, but I do feel
Speaker 4: the TV movie of the weakness of this film. I
Speaker 4: do think that there's it's got a lot going for it,
Speaker 4: apparently more than the Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, given what
Speaker 4: Drew has said that we said about it, and uh yeah,
Speaker 4: but it's mostly just been great to be back with
Speaker 4: you guys chatting since we've been away for a summer hiatus.
Speaker 4: So it's been it's been.
Speaker 1: Good, wonderful, Thank you very much. By the way, can
Speaker 1: you actually build address with a macrome chest? Is that
Speaker 1: a thing that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, they just they just whatever you call it,
Speaker 4: and it I guess the little I really do feel
Speaker 4: like the costume people just made her dresses because they
Speaker 4: do seem very you know, like straight out of a
Speaker 4: pattern book. But yeah, I think that they macro made
Speaker 4: that little chest piece and then just sewed it onto them.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, I mean that's just really neat. I like
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Okay, Tony, what about you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if I think it's obvious, I really
Speaker 5: like the setting, and I think it's yeah, the budget
Speaker 5: is what it is because you do a lot off camera,
Speaker 5: but I was I just really dug it. I think
Speaker 5: you could add in a bunch of different features that
Speaker 5: kind of feel like this, and you'd have a whole
Speaker 5: night of deep Southern mystery and loathing if you want to.
Speaker 5: And that's good. But I you know, it's probably the
Speaker 5: fact that I'm older, but there's a certain there's There's
Speaker 5: also the aspect of how much this is a character
Speaker 5: actor driven film that I probably have some nostalgia for,
Speaker 5: with a bunch of character actors.
Speaker 1: That I recognize.
Speaker 5: But saying that everybody's just super solid and everybody elevates
Speaker 5: this in unexpected ways. I'm with Drew that I'm glad
Speaker 5: that we picked this one because it kind of came
Speaker 5: out of left field and it was the one I
Speaker 5: didn't know I needed to see, And yet here we are, wonderful.
Speaker 5: I really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that we watched it as well. I really, honestly,
Speaker 1: I am just thrilled anytime we can return to nineteen
Speaker 1: seventies TV movies. For some reason, this is a special
Speaker 1: happy thing for me.
Speaker 2: So there we go and.
Speaker 1: That's good enough for me. Let's get our endorsements. I'm
Speaker 1: dying to know, and to be honest, I'm not even
Speaker 1: sure what I'm going to say. It's like we're ordering
Speaker 1: at a restaurant and I'm just hoping that I'll know
Speaker 1: what I'm going to say by the time the white
Speaker 1: person gets around to me. Drew, what do you have
Speaker 1: for us? Well, well, you just got here from comic Con,
Speaker 1: so you might not know either.
Speaker 3: I well, no, I want to recommend a graphic novel
Speaker 3: called by Eric Powell of The Goon fame, But it
Speaker 3: is not like The Goon.
Speaker 2: I have to stress that it is called.
Speaker 3: Look What Eddie Gean Had What Eddie Gean Had Done?
Speaker 3: And as you can guess by the name, it is
Speaker 3: a biographical comic that is about the notorious grave robber
Speaker 3: Cannibal maybe serial killer at Geen and it is one
Speaker 3: of the most disturbing things that I have ever read.
Speaker 3: So your mileage may vary because I am not normally,
Speaker 3: despite my general interest in creepy things, I am not
Speaker 3: always a true crime guy. But this is this is
Speaker 3: a part of a series that Powell is doing. He
Speaker 3: actually just put out out the second part, which is
Speaker 3: about Frederick Wortham, the infamous psychiatrists that had people burning
Speaker 3: comic books in the streets, and that one's called Doctor Worthless,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to eventually get around to getting that
Speaker 3: one is as well. But it's incredibly creepy. The artwork
Speaker 3: is beautiful. If you are interested in true crime, I
Speaker 3: think you will like it. But even if you are
Speaker 3: just have a general interest in the macabre and pop culture,
Speaker 3: I think that you'll find it interesting. But also I
Speaker 3: want to recommend that everyone listening to this podcast go
Speaker 3: to their local bookstore or local comic book shop. Take
Speaker 3: a moment, and you should say, hey, clerk working behind
Speaker 3: the counter, no doubt, working hard. I would like to
Speaker 3: order a copy of the Halloween man Omnibus Volume one
Speaker 3: from Red five Comics, because that is coming out on
Speaker 3: September thirtieth. So I am now full on in the
Speaker 3: hype train right now, and I have.
Speaker 2: Seen this thing now. I saw copies of it at
Speaker 2: San Diego Comic Con. It is beautiful.
Speaker 3: All the pages have been remastered, like the coloring and
Speaker 3: the artwork has been you know, tuned up, so like
Speaker 3: with you know, it's it's it's hard to describe. But
Speaker 3: it's the same coloring but just refined to a point
Speaker 3: and the same thing with the lettering. So this is
Speaker 3: the best these pages have ever looked in print. And
Speaker 3: if you are people are always like for decades now
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, why can't we get a mass market
Speaker 3: Halloween Man paperback?
Speaker 2: Well here you go.
Speaker 3: If you want further volumes, please support this now because
Speaker 3: I really want there to be volume three, Volume two,
Speaker 3: volume four. Uh you know like this, this is this,
Speaker 3: The time is now.
Speaker 2: Show your support.
Speaker 3: This book is worth It also has an all new
Speaker 3: intro by friend of the podcast, John Logan, So oh cool,
Speaker 3: yeah worth it worth every penny.
Speaker 2: And that's that's me for this week.
Speaker 1: I guess wonderful. Thank you so much. That was that
Speaker 1: was fantastic. Uh, Julia, I don't know what do you
Speaker 1: got to what do you what do you have to endorse?
Speaker 4: We're going to make our the third reference to our
Speaker 4: friend John Logan in this episode and recommend if you
Speaker 4: have the opportunity to see the live touring production of
Speaker 4: Mulin Rouge that was written that the book is written
Speaker 4: by John Logan, actually do so because it is brilliant.
Speaker 4: It's so good, so fun, and exciting and interesting, lots
Speaker 4: of great music. It's very funny in the first act
Speaker 4: and very moving in the second act. Really really good show.
Speaker 4: So and I know it'll be coming around near many people,
Speaker 4: so if you have the chance, go and see it.
Speaker 4: I also want to endorse Weapons, starring Julia Garner and
Speaker 4: Josh Brolin. It is so scary.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: We were talking about how scary it was. I couldn't
Speaker 4: sleep last night. I'm like dragging today because I had
Speaker 4: not sleep after watching it. So yes, those are my two.
Speaker 1: Fantastic Tony, what do you got. I've been watching a lot.
Speaker 5: Of TV, and you know there's movies I've seen that
Speaker 5: I really enjoyed. We actually, we actually enjoyed the New
Speaker 5: Naked Gun. It was really funny. It was fun to
Speaker 5: version good crowd. The draft House has also been showing
Speaker 5: a Samurai the new game Ghost to Go Tie, the
Speaker 5: sequel to Ghost Tushima is coming out, and we've been
Speaker 5: showing Samurai movies. So I got to see the first
Speaker 5: Zatuichi movie in the theater, and this past week was
Speaker 5: Lady Snowblood and I really I recommend that in the
Speaker 5: Stray Cat Rocks movies. Even though they're kind of pinky
Speaker 5: violence movies. I don't I don't know if they're for everyone,
Speaker 5: but you know, in accuracies in Lady Snowblood is in that.
Speaker 5: I think Arrow may have still had the Stray cat
Speaker 5: Rocks set in print. But I just I've been really enjoying.
Speaker 5: There's been really good crowds. It's kind of cool to
Speaker 5: see Samurai cinema. They're gonna do Thirteen Assassins, they're gonna
Speaker 5: do Lone Wolf and Cub and then I'm linking back.
Speaker 5: They're also doing Ron so I think it's through all
Speaker 5: the Criterion. You know, Janis Productions nice, so they looked. Man,
Speaker 5: it was beautiful to see Lady Snowblood on a big
Speaker 5: screen with a good crowd. So I do recommend, if
Speaker 5: you're like minded, check out the Samurai series that's going
Speaker 5: on at the Draft House. And if you can't catch that,
Speaker 5: then definitely pick up the Criterion ones and you know,
Speaker 5: do your own screenings at home. I've also been enjoyed
Speaker 5: the new season of Twisted Metal. They finally go into
Speaker 5: the in San via the video game, and I think,
Speaker 5: I don't know, I didn't expect it to work, but
Speaker 5: it's actually I really like. It's got a good cast
Speaker 5: and I really like what they're doing, even though it's
Speaker 5: you know, over the top and bloody, so maybe not
Speaker 5: for everyone.
Speaker 1: But it is.
Speaker 5: I've been really enjoying Twisted Metal as well. There's some
Speaker 5: screeners I need to catch up on too, so hopefully
Speaker 5: I'll have some recommendations next time as I catch up
Speaker 5: on some of that stuff. But yeah, that's been that's
Speaker 5: been me as well as just some random Discothech Media
Speaker 5: puts out a lot of old school anime, so I've
Speaker 5: been also revisiting the eighties nice wise and that's that's
Speaker 5: always good. This latest one SBT Lasner. Oh, and I've
Speaker 5: also Hulu has a Macross series and I just finished
Speaker 5: Macross Frontier and I thought that was really solid. So
Speaker 5: I'm all over the map these days awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm going to sign on to everything that Julia said
Speaker 1: because we've been hanging out a lot and we went
Speaker 1: to Mulin Rouge. I actually I enjoyed this like even
Speaker 1: more than the film, and I was just really just
Speaker 1: really moved by it and then weapons I was jumping
Speaker 1: out of my seat. It was so scary, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: like embarrassingly going like making noises and jumping like it was.
Speaker 1: It was a really solid jump scare movie and I
Speaker 1: seldom encountered that, Like.
Speaker 4: The I didn't have my own popcorn, so I knocked
Speaker 4: over my daughter's popcorn.
Speaker 1: Like the last time I went to a movie that
Speaker 1: made me jump scare like that was The Nighthouse, which
Speaker 1: has got to be like three years and so this
Speaker 1: was this was really really solid and yeah, so cool. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited we got a chance to come back
Speaker 1: and start out with a bang, exactly where I love
Speaker 1: to be. I'm so happy that we watched the nineteen
Speaker 1: seventies made for a TV film And I'm not the
Speaker 1: one who came up with the idea. I that just
Speaker 1: that's a gift. It's manna from heaven. I definitely am,
Speaker 1: honestly because I always feel yeah, because I hate to
Speaker 1: foist these things on you, but I'm happy when somebody
Speaker 1: else voices.
Speaker 3: This time we can we can all blame me and
Speaker 3: my extensive list making.
Speaker 1: I guess I love it. So I'm I'm super excited.
Speaker 5: Me and you, so everybody.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Be kind to one another. Let
Speaker 1: us know what you thought or or new directions or
Speaker 1: if there's other certainly if there's obscure films, especially like
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, you know, forgotten TV films, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you'll love this. Let us know. We might do an
Speaker 1: episode on it, but at least I will watch it
Speaker 1: at the very least. So thank you so much and
Speaker 1: we can't wait to be back soon. Bye guys, Bye night.