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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to That's No Metal, your

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weekly rock, heavy metal, hardcore, punk, heavy music podcast. And

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welcome back to Hyperblasts, our speedy in and out news

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show where we let you know everything that's gone on

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in the last seven days. Today it's more like six days,

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so it's recording the day early because I'm heading off

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for the Old Festival tomorrow, but we've still got a

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good amount to talk about. My name is paren Hesh.

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Sam Dignon is with me. Sam, You had a very

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exciting little time in a brewery this week, right, yep?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, off down to a brewer and the other end

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of London.

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Speaker 3: Pain they asked to get to nowadays because I'm like

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like full on like east side London.

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Speaker 2: It was the entire sense and all that. But yes, yeah,

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oh god, but yeah, No.

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Speaker 3: Hopped over to there to see Green Lung play what

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is surely going to be the smallest.

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Speaker 2: Show they play for a while, Like yeah, because it

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was done as that kind of like a secret show

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where they didn't announce it.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have to like some to their mailing list

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and then you would get a link to like the

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like something.

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Speaker 2: But I managed to get I was like I would

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after that last.

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Speaker 3: Album being brilliant, I would like to see Green Lung

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And yeah, they were fantastic. They this is one of

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those was like, you know, they feel too big to

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be playing in this like brewery like.

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Speaker 2: But they sounded fantastic.

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Speaker 3: They had a power cut at one point, like quite

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right at the end of the right at the end

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of a song to be fair like, so like.

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Speaker 2: They didn't really mess with the set.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the songs off This heaven Land live in particular,

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like when they're just dropping the Forest Church that's like

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second in the set, straight into Maxine. Yeah, those older songs,

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which again I particular the second album I've got quite

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fond of in the sort of aftermath of This even

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Land and going back to it, like they've just got

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a really great catalog of just like massive heavy metal

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tunes now and they've just got like the charisma to

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deliver them on stage. Even again, they still bought their

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big big head with them. I call it the thing

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I'm talking about. Yeah, the big head there at the

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back of the stage. They couldn't fit any other other

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show on this like tiny little brewery stage, but they

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manage to get that guy there at the back.

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Speaker 2: Just overlooking you you all.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, they were fantastic and it felt like a

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real kind of like celebratory them having fun, like getting

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back to playing like a tiny.

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Speaker 2: Little no barrier show.

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Speaker 3: On the eve of their biggest shows ever going on

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sale again. Like I say, very Settler's very heavily focused

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on this even land though no Oceans of Time was

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the one sort of bummer for me. I was like, ah,

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come on, I liked that, but generally just a really

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really good time Maxine. When they just burst into that

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like that call, that two pronged chorus is just like outstanding,

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and they, like say as a live one, have just

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so much presence and charisma to them that I think

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they could really go places.

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Speaker 2: If this is the live show. They're packing with the songs,

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so you're seeing them in a couple of.

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Speaker 1: Days on an outdoor stage for the first time, seeing

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green lung in that environment. So I think that will

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that would be interesting see kind of how that all goes.

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But yeah, it seems like it's all going.

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Speaker 3: I think if they can make a good showcase a bloodstol,

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that will you know, boost the profile of that upcoming

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of those upcoming headline shows.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, exciting times for green lung.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds very cool. Indeed, Also, I forgot to mention

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this last week. I feel like I just drop it

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in now, the wedding that I was at the other

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weekend when I mentioned I'd missed the Olympic ceremony thing

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for that. Bizarrely, they're like a pianist just kind of,

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you know, in the corner doing his little piano editions

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of like famous pop songs and stuff as like muzak

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for the wedding, and at one point he played mother

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tongue by bringing the horizon and me and my girlfriend

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just looked at it other like, hey, that's definitely what

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that is in the kind of the fellow like this,

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are we the only people in this room? Recouy what's

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going on here? But that happened. Yeah, So let's get

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into the news from the last handful of days. And

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genuinely enormous news. But it seems like, I don't know,

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maybe the most nonchalant come and gone one of these

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kind of announcements has has felt such as I don't know

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the state of the internet these days, but Aerosmith are

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officially no longer a band as of like right this second,

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Aerosmith had been going out on some kind of farewell dates,

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so we knew that, you know, they would seemingly be

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going on the out, but it had there one of

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those bands where it has been hard to keep track

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of when farewell dates were kind of you know, meant

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to be happening or whatever. But apparently, but you know,

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because of that, had kind of missed these details. But

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apparently they'd postponed certain pieces of that because Stephen Tyler

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had damaged his voice at some point on it, and apparently,

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you know, in terms of his recovery and getting his

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voice back to the place where it was where they

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could go out and finish the tour properly, he's just

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reached an age in a state where that's not going

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to be feasible he's gonna be able to get his voice

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back to what it was, and so they've decided to go,

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We're going to cancel those dates, and and that's that.

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That's the end of Aerosmith. I know that Elliott is

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not here, so he can't be here to poo poo

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the existence of Aerosmith in general, But yeah, I don't

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know that there is something very like for a band

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as absurdly over the top and you know, unshrinking violets

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as as Aerosmith, there's something just very sort of like

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quiet and humble about the way that this.

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Speaker 3: Is an Instagram post essentially like a little when of

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those little text images.

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Speaker 1: Like oh that's Aerosmith gone there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when it's healthish, I guess you can't. You

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can't help it. When they can't go into longer, they

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can't go longer.

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Speaker 3: I guess with every kind of legendary band, you wish

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they would get that big final blowoff show that like

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that they cannot high, but that that kind of beened,

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like it's a shame, I like to say, of the

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sort of eighties hair metal bands like Aris Your Father One,

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like like the sort of like seventies n eighthest classical

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bands that I have pointed the biggest softbat four in

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terms of their music. Yeah, I again lost track of

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thinking they'd already broken up like so many times, because

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just kept going. So I was like, oh, they hadn't

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broke up already, But then I kind of two. I

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was just like it's kind of like, yeah, it's just

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a bit of a weird down away for them to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because this is all on on legacy, isn't it.

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something of relevance to the kind of rock.

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Speaker 3: I mean live, Like twenty fourteen they were on like

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insane life Form, that's all that's the time was I

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then you know, outside of that creatively though.

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you know with armagedon like ninety eight No, yeah, so

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Speaker 3: Was twenty fourteen was one they played and they were

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like builders, like they stole the weekend and that was

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the weekend Lincoln Park did hyer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then they played again in twenty seventeen, and

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Speaker 3: Like you're actually like that's where I think I'm getting

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in the head where they.

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Speaker 2: They've broken up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I didn't go to that. I remember, you know,

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being like, okay, I'm not out download this year. I

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guess I just won't see Aerosmith. And like, you know,

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spots for certain bits of material from them, But I

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can't say I'm like a huge fan and they're not

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a band where me never getting to see them is

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years then I guess of them being in sort of

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perpetual farewell mode. I don't know, it's a thing where,

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like you know, maybe in terms of the history books,

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in the late twenty tens or whatever and had the

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full grand finale there. But also if they'd done that,

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five years worth of whatever worth of people you know

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who did go out and see Aerosmith. And I don't

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between myself, you and Elliott, we've certainly got like three

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or not, it is kind of acknoledgment, like, yeah, one

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enormous in stature rock bands there will ever have have

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Speaker 3: Off, no no fireworks, no riding up in sunset.

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this is like getting more and more common of band

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just kind of going yeah, that's it, we're done. I

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: And it's just like uh okay, like just the unceremonious

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like internet announcement is just a thing that a lot

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of bands seems to just have to that's the way

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Speaker 2: Their business now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but as of right now, Aerosmith are no longer

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a band on this earth. So there you go. So

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Opeth last week, well, last Hyperblast, we did a huge

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rundown of a million singles that had all come out

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from albums that all coming out over autumn, and this

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one was released about an hour after we had recorded,

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which was kind of annoying but also kind of nice,

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so we can give it a kind of moment here fully.

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there that kind of I don't know, caused a bit

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of discussion and turned some heads or whatever, at least

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in my sort of surroundings, this is one of the

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album that's coming out. It's called The Last Will and Testament.

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It's gonna be out on October the eleventh, along with

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many other records that we detailed last week. And I,

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so a longer period than usual for them. But I

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guess you can account for COVID and all the usual

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things as to why that would be the case. But

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more Opath. But then this single came out, and again

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looking to people's reactions to it, there was a lot

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of essentially celebrating something that many many people thought would

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never ever happen, specifically going, oh my god, the growls

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are back in an Opath song. Opeth have gone death

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metal again. Michael lackethelt is growling again. And it certainly

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feels like, you know, every metal head of a certain

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age in their late thirties whatever, who was kind of

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you know, coming of age in the in the early

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two thousands when Deliverance and Blackwater Park and all those

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records were like some of the absolute most you know, revered, influential,

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classic of the moment heavy records of any stripe to

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be coming out in that moment. This is what a

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lot of those people were kind of ever pining for,

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and I had like stopped imagining it would happen really,

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and I didn't really care because, like I, you know,

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I've enjoyed basically every Opeth record, and you know, reading

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Michael Lakathat's interview about this song, he said something that

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I think is quite cool, where it was like, yeah,

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we wanted to like drop it in once people that

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actually stopped asking for it, like once it had been

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so long that people just kind of, you know, it

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was a given that it had never happened again. So

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then you can newly surprise people by going, oh, it's

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been like four albums, now here's a growl. And I

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like that way of operating. But seeing that, like you know, like,

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oh my god, Opeth a heavy again on the internet

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was really something last Friday. Sam Opeth are kind of

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like an unbroached topic with you currently. You know, we've

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been doing this show together for a few years, but

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we've never actually spoken in detail about uh Opeth, and

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I know that you know there's there's a P word

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involved with them and all sorts.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'll probably shocked you to learn that there

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are a half of oth albums I think are terrible

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and that's.

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Speaker 1: So harsh and so wrong. But you're.

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Speaker 2: Like, but this is me. But I'm also you know,

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not gonna like terminos.

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Speaker 3: Up at like Blackwell Park and like up to ghost Reveries. Well,

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I haven't even listened to all the really early ones,

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but that look like early two thousands OEF I can respect,

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and I can go with that like it's it's the

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twenty ten sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: In particular. I'm just like, this is like I feel like,

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what is Sorceress to the album? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: That Sorceress of the album? I just like mentally tune

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out of it almost. And when that came out, I

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was like, are we are we actually hyping this up?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Are we not? We are we like having to pretend

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OPEF are good when this is.

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Speaker 1: Hey, the title track of Sorceress has a riff that

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is genuinely reminiscent of Scourge of Eye in by Cannibal

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Corp in a frog rock context, and I'm all for it.

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But yeah, I mean it doesn't surprise me that music

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that is heavily evoking nineteen seventies Prog and Jethrow, Tull

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and Camel and et cetera is not at all what

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you would be interested in. And they are, like you know,

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they are. They're like a special you know, T and

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M bound special quality band in terms of like the

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amount of incredible records they have, the reverence that they have,

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the yeah, absolutely, the importance, the level of quality that

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they're able to produce, and I, you know, I don't

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actually for me, they never stopped being good. But like

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I said, I like the attitude of like, yeah, once

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people it's been so low people stop asking for it,

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then will suddenly dial back the clock. And for me,

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this doesn't necessarily mean that this is automatically like the

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best Opees song in fifteen years or whatever, because I

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don't necessarily think it is. I think there are a

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number of songs from those albums that I really love.

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And the last album in caldevin Inum I think it

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was in my T and M you know, album of

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the earlist that year. I love that record, It's really excellent.

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I was souper big fan of that one. But I

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also cannot deny the rush of serotonin that I got

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sticking this single on and hearing first like a crunching riff. Yeah,

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and then Daddy Akafelt comes in doing the demon voice,

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and I was like, oh, like that is the band

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that I initially fell in love with and that you know,

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throughout my teenage years did mean a huge amount to me.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm not crazy without song yet, but there is

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a mediacy to kind of just like oh that that

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like the riff, the ground or that is it's not

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you know, a page is testing like progs or things.

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Speaker 1: Song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when.

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Speaker 3: It's like like four minutes long. It's just a good

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kind of I don't want to put it like a

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Termson because it's the sort of like that that riff

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and that thing has spanned that all these all those

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lesser bands rip off and make less impressive than when

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Opef do it. But there is you know, like like

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crunchy riff and ground. It's just like it just immediately

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sounds good. And I was like, oh, yeah, no, cool,

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I do. I do remember liking.

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Speaker 2: Opef once upon a time, fair enough.

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Speaker 3: So I I I can't believe I'm interested in a

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new opef album.

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Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, and the thing.

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Speaker 1: With Opeth in the sweet Spot is I can't imagine

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people who sneer at Opeth in the sweet Spot. I

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just like can't fathom them because it's either like, you know,

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if you are someone who is like all fucking heavy, brutal,

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extreme whatever, and you don't like, you know, airy they

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Opeth or whatever, this should hit you in a pretty

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good way because it is. It's it's a media, it's

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brutal whatever. If you are like a progressive fan, it's

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still clearly it's so involved. It's not like, you know,

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he's done a blood bar song or anything like that.

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And if you are just a fan of you know,

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those things coming together heavy really you know, intricate, involved,

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but also atmospheric and gnarly or whatever. All the stuff

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that is good about progressive metal right, Opeth at their

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peak represent all of those things coming together, and this

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is just so dialing into like it sounds like it

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would be like yeah, like the Watershed era, the Ghost

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Reveries era, just that kind of for me. There's a

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really one thing I really love at Opeth is that

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a real eeriness in vibe, like a real spookiness that this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they have that kind of gothic spookiness to them.

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They always had like make someone like the proggy metal

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sort of stuff, and it it has it like you know, candelava,

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that kind of like decrepit manners.

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Speaker 2: They kind of imagery.

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Speaker 1: That's a huge part of what I love but Opeth,

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and it's part that I think sometimes you know, people

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who do make out, they're all just kind of like

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cheese eating and wine tasting contests or whatever, like they

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overlook that particular element. And this has full on like

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escalating up and down like horror score kind of sense

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or whatever. The break in the middle when the riff

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kind of drops out where there's like an accordion and

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it's like a like like eerie spooky accordion ambience in

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the middle for a bit before it comes back. And

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then Michael as well as doing some kind of really

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weird like at the end back in the song it

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do was some really theatrical kind of you know, kind

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of vocal delivery, which to me it.

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Speaker 2: Still has that kind of like fanciful prog siding.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, the last record in kind of

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inner part of the reason I really liked it is. It

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had this very like weird like you know, uh manner

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of freaking inhabitants kind of you know, eccentricity to it,

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and this totally sounds like it has that, even if

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it's brought back the you know, the death metal side

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of it. So yeah, like I said, it's not immediately

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like I am dismissing what more than fifteen years worth

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of Opeth that I that I love and are saying

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that this is the you know, back to what they

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should have been doing all along, But I can't help.

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But also listeners and go, oh, Opeth are back.

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Speaker 3: You know, if this wasn't ope F back moment for me,

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I genuinely hadn't written off ever caring about an ope

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F album ever. Again that's what that's what they wanted

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that they got you Like yeah, but again, look there

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was the big stor fan but you know they they

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when I was getting into metal there on those bands

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and was like, oh, you've got to listen to these

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OPEF albums. And they took me a while, but you

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go like, oh no, they are class cabs for a reason.

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But yeah, job done, Opeth, you got me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and because they've now got you in the door.

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We can talk about the fact that on the rest

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of the album it features guest appearances from Jeth, Throw

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Tel main Man, Ian Anderson. We can go an album

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with a lead single that Sam Dignoon right here, right

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now is saying that they've enjoyed We've got Listerian Anas

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and Floutist Madman coming in the pipeline. But yeah, one

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of us something Opeth as well as Weekend that it's

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nice to Yeah, it's nice to go to that with

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a bit of kind of you know, excitement in the

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air around what Opeth are doing. Even though that what

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track was, as we say, pretty immediate and pretty condensed,

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it's not quite as condensed as the Regional Justice Center tunes,

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which have also come out. Regional Justice Center have released

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a couple of songs from an upcoming album. It's their

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first since twenty twenty one's Crime and Punishment, which we

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reviewed on this show. And one of the things that

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happened in that time is one of the members of

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this band what's his name, Ian, Yeah, he kind of

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blew up with another band that he's in called Military Gun,

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and I kind of, oh, yeah, I kind of just

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presumed that Red was just a Center, which was done yeah,

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because it was like they came up with this really angry, violent,

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sort of power violence adjacent record that we were like, yeah, cool, gnarly.

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And then suddenly Military Guns started becoming like one of

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the most popular bands in hardcore you know, adjacent music,

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and like, I don't mind Military Gun, but I've not

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yet really gone mad for them in any kind of

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significant degree. I kind of, you know, this is the

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band that's sort of more slightly tuned to my tastes,

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but I was a bit like, you know, that's probably

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on ice for for for a little while. So it

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was a nice surprise to wake up literally this morning

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and be like, oh, Regional Justice Center are back.

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Speaker 3: I literally opened when you send the thing about for

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the news and I saw this, it was like, oh yeah,

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I was like, that's the first about with this. I

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was like on my Lannes break, so I immediately put

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those songs on and was like, bring with that Fred Scream.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, hell yeah, here we fucking go.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, man, these songs just go insanely hard, Like

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is nice to have Regional with a Center back to

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like because that and we reviewed that was one of

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those like Cooler Power Vince releases from that year, so

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more of that, yes, please.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And a lot of the theme kind of Regional

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Just Center is about kind of the prison reform essentially

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in the United States justice system. A lot of that

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last record we spoke about was about Ian's brother was

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kind of incarcerated. There was a lot of kind of

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speaking about, you know, kind of what's going on with

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him there. He has since been released from from prison

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and is now in the band. And also Taylor Young

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who produced who Just Needs Another and He's another one. Yeah,

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but he like produced these records. But he is also

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now officially a member of the band, so that's cool.

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But yeah, Regial Just Center band. I did not expect

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to suddenly be back, are back, and that's nice. Indeed. Okay,

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here's a guy who we try not to really talk

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about much these days, but I suppose this is a

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story where you know, we should at least kind of

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acknowledge it and touch base on it. Mannon Manson is

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back out on tour at the moment. We've you know,

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known for a long while that he'd been making some

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kind of comeback with signing to labels and releasing music

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and announcing tours with other bands and so on. He

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played his first comeback show since twenty nineteen, which obviously

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not only is that pre COVID, but that's you know,

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before all the kind of the allegations there a thing

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that you know, really kind of hit his career in

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that kind of way in you know, the early twenty twenties.

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But he's back out on the road as we knew

473
00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:55,759
he would be. But it also means that we've had

474
00:21:56,079 --> 00:21:59,880
his live band essentially unveiled, and we can see from

475
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,400
know the footage that has taken of his first showback.

476
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,480
That Marion Manson twenty twenty four live band features Reva

477
00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:11,319
Mayas from Code Orange on guitars. It features a former

478
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,440
Rob Zombie bassist, Piggy d On on bass, Gil Sharon,

479
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,599
formerly of the Doingder escape Plan, but also had been

480
00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:20,279
playing drums with Marion Manson prior to you know, last

481
00:22:20,319 --> 00:22:22,400
time he was he was out on tour, and Tyler

482
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,920
Bates seems to be back on guitar as well, who

483
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,799
you know has worked with Marion Manton on his last

484
00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:30,079
several albums. But again, you know, seeing them reappear at

485
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:33,519
this point is like, okay, right, you're still there, and

486
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,160
I think, you know, maybe a couple of names there

487
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,519
in particular, there's been a lot of disappointment expressed about

488
00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:44,640
their their decision to be in with this, and yeah,

489
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,200
it fucking sucks.

490
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one name in particular, just seeing that

491
00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:53,400
it was kind of like, oh, fuck, like that is

492
00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:56,359
just it's just not what you want to say. I

493
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,559
don't know what to say about this at this point

494
00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:01,640
because it just like, yeah, I don't want to talk

495
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:06,519
about Manson in any capacity really, And you know, seeing

496
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,119
the guitarist of Vocal Is, one of my favorite bands,

497
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,039
sort of sync up with him is really disappointing.

498
00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I don't like to be in the business

499
00:23:16,759 --> 00:23:21,240
of kind of blacklisting by association, you know. I kind

500
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:27,079
of try to treat any person's own, you know, actions

501
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,359
as kind of what is on their own rap sheet necessarily,

502
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,759
and I do, like, you know, I want the artists

503
00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:37,359
that I admire and that I appreciate to not associate

504
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,519
themselves with people who I do think in that kind

505
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:42,640
of ethical sense are below them, shall we say? And

506
00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:45,359
it is it's a stinker when they do, and it's

507
00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:49,240
it's a it's a mark against them. So let's say,

508
00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:51,759
you know, again, obviously reboard Code Orange is the real like, oh,

509
00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:54,319
for fox sake, what are you doing here? But even

510
00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:57,119
someone like Tyler Bates, who again it's not obviously it's

511
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,799
not his first you know, association with Manson, but like

512
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,119
in the years since Manson's Beans Off the Road, Tyler

513
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,880
Bates been doing like a lot of film score stuff

514
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,599
and stuff like that, which is you know, really good

515
00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:11,640
that And for example, he'd done work on some of

516
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,480
the ex trilogy, linking up with Chelsea Wolf, and it

517
00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:18,079
becomes a thing of like, you know, Chelsea Wolf, I

518
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,039
you know, I haven't asked her obviously, but I can't

519
00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:23,079
imagine Chelsea Wolf wanting to be anywhere near someone with

520
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:28,720
Marilyn Manson's kind of you know, atmosphere around him as

521
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:31,359
kind of things leveled against him. And it becomes this

522
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,920
you know, like, okay, who's working with who, who agrees

523
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,000
with who? It's this whole fucking thing, and I guess

524
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:41,680
from Code Orange it's kind of a shock because you

525
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:44,279
kind of assume that most bands from a kind of

526
00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:47,240
hardcore background are like kind of on the level with

527
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,960
these things, like you know, bands that Code Orange have

528
00:24:50,039 --> 00:24:53,440
been around like I can't imagine anyone from dying wish

529
00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:56,039
or twitching tongues or scowl or whoever kind of you know,

530
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,440
being in the same position that Reaper has put herself

531
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,720
in here. And it is just like how for Fox

532
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,000
say you should know better than than this.

533
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: I mean that's its like.

534
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 3: In particular, I think hard core scene is not gonna

535
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:12,440
begive or forget on this one. I think they will

536
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,240
hold like coins to like they will hold this against them.

537
00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:22,359
And it's just like, I mean, is it worth sure?

538
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: You know?

539
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: And I know Codine is way years back sighted Manton

540
00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:26,839
as an influence.

541
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's not.

542
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 3: Surprise, but I'm like, surely you'd be aware of the

543
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,000
optics of you linking up and kind of taking part

544
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:41,400
in this part of his rehabilitation or like image rehabilitation

545
00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:43,759
rather than like not we were trying to like get

546
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:46,759
him back in the public eye with everything. You'd be

547
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,200
aware of how that's going to make you and by association,

548
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:50,440
your main band look.

549
00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:52,839
Speaker 2: And it's just just just not good.

550
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,279
Speaker 1: And like you know, to some degree, it's like, yeah,

551
00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:57,920
we all know that something like this is a payday

552
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,920
right and making it as musician if you get the

553
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:04,799
chance to you know, be involved on the road with

554
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,799
someone who will whether they should you know, in twenty

555
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:09,559
twenty four is a different question, but someone who will

556
00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:12,000
bring in a lot of you know, ticket revenue or

557
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,279
whatever that that could be hard to you know decline

558
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,559
those those those links and so on and those kind

559
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:21,759
of you know, injury connections being made. But you know,

560
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:25,240
and to some degree there is you know, Madson has

561
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:28,599
not been found guilty in a court of law on

562
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:30,119
on on these things, and he's not been you know,

563
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,359
given a prison sentence or anything like that, and so

564
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,240
you know, how would any one person views that kind

565
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:41,279
of innocent ntil proven guilty, whatever kind of mantra is.

566
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:43,759
You know, that's there. You have to ask them about that.

567
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,720
But yeah, it's it's shitty, it's annoying. I I wish

568
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:52,000
that they wouldn't be involved in, as you put it,

569
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:55,559
to their kind of his image rehabilitation right now, because

570
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:58,559
I don't believe these other things are are worth it

571
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,680
in that regard for that, As I say, I don't

572
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:03,920
like to be involved in kind of blacklisting by a

573
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000
socialist association, is the way I would kind of put

574
00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:08,880
it in terms of, you know, obviously anyone any of

575
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,680
the names we've just listed who are involved with Manson

576
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,920
here or anyone who is like in you know, other

577
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,799
projects with them. Therefore, you know, other members of Code Orange, whatever,

578
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,279
anyone who plays with Gil Sharon whatever, anything like that.

579
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,960
I don't want to kind of, you know, fire too

580
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:25,519
much at them unless you know anything further was you know,

581
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,000
to develop out of it. But it is just as

582
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:30,839
it's a mark against their record, even if it's as

583
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:34,079
I said, not a not a blacklist. And certainly with

584
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,720
some of these members who we would kind of you know,

585
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,119
have been so admiring of, it's it's a shitty thing

586
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,839
to have appear on that particular rap sheet. And like

587
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,200
I said, I don't want to spend too much time

588
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,200
on that particular thing, but I felt it was worth

589
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,240
I don't know, acknowledging, just so you know, we're not

590
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:51,559
kind of turning a blind eye to this kind of stuff.

591
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,759
And then just to kind of further put a particular

592
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:57,480
you know, just a pin in that element. Ramstein also

593
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,960
put up a social media thing this week. They had

594
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,160
been you know, touring for you know, pretty much most

595
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,759
of the last couple of years or whatever, even through

596
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:08,759
all of the allegations and stuff that was surrounding them

597
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,559
un till Linderman is going to be going out on

598
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,440
a solo tour. Ramstein's tour ended, and as a kind

599
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,559
of a cap off post, they put up a you know,

600
00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:18,079
Instagram thing where they were like, you know, hey, thanks

601
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,920
to everyone who came out and supported us on this tour.

602
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,720
They did include a little detail there where they said,

603
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,359
we have been actively dealing with the allegations made against

604
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,799
the band since last summer. We take this debate seriously,

605
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,359
even if much of it is baseless and grossly exaggerated.

606
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:32,599
Is an internal process that will accompany us for a

607
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,440
long time. Each of us does it in our own

608
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,599
way and deals with it differently. What that actually means

609
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:43,720
to what you know, what your own decision on or

610
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,559
what's the word interpretation of that might be. Again, that's

611
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,240
that's down to you. I just felt we should report

612
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,000
it essentially and say that it was there. Many Eyes then,

613
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:55,160
as our last little new story here, there is something

614
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,920
going on here. Many Eyes, you may remember, is the

615
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,519
band that was fronted by former every Time I Die

616
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:04,640
front man Keith Buckley, who obviously a lot of the

617
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,279
post every Time I Die fall out Most Eyes, funny

618
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:09,839
enough have been on Better Lovers because they've been so active.

619
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,240
But Keith Buckley also appeared with a new band who

620
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,160
put out a track not too long ago I seem

621
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,839
to remember, but Many Eyes, which is he formed with

622
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:24,079
the Bellmore Twins, have announced that a they're gonna go

623
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:25,599
out on some live shows be there should be an

624
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:27,680
album coming at some point soon. But one of the

625
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,240
Bellmore Twins, Charlie Belmore, who's a founding member of this band,

626
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:33,319
is already out of the band. And there was a

627
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:35,400
Many Eye statement saying, hey, we've parted with Charlie Belmore,

628
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,480
and then Charlie Bellmore himself put up a status saying

629
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,160
some time ago Keith called me and informed me I

630
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,799
was no longer involved with Many Eyes. Does it suck? Yes,

631
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:46,359
it absolutely does. In reality, what can you do? Keep

632
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,519
moving forward? With all bands? You're supposed to be a team,

633
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:49,880
and if you have a person that's for some reason

634
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,960
affecting the team, that person has to go unfortunately. And

635
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,240
then he goes on to say that, you know, I

636
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,200
really loved writing this album with them, and I'm really

637
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,920
heartbroken that I'm not gonna be able to play the song's

638
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:05,160
life just another kind of weird, like what's going on? Yeah,

639
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,880
why are you already having lineup trouble when we've heard

640
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:08,799
one song?

641
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was this is a weird when I was like, oh.

642
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,119
Speaker 3: I like I'm still sort of like sort of hold

643
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,000
off judgment of many eyes until we have more to

644
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:20,200
go off. But yeah, just a bit of a worrying

645
00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:23,599
kind of like wobble this early on feels a bit odd.

646
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,359
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll work out better.

647
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: Maybe like the keeper's not with the direction i'm's taken

648
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,920
and he's going like, well, we're gonna get in there quickly,

649
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,799
but who knows, Like, yeah, just not one Yeah.

650
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,839
Speaker 1: Just something something weird going on over there, and hopefully

651
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,160
it works itself out, all right. Questions are returning to

652
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,519
this edition of Hyperblasts as usual on the majority of

653
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,480
them come from the That's Not All Facebook group if

654
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:48,960
you want to go and join over there. We had

655
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:51,359
quite a lot of questions come through this time, so

656
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,480
obviously I've only included a handful of them, but if

657
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:55,279
you asked one, there is a good chance that I'll

658
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:57,720
try and you know, come round to it and include

659
00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:00,279
it again. You know, next time we we do one

660
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,519
of these things, so thanks to everybody who submitted them.

661
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:06,359
But we're gonna start now. First up, Paul Morton says,

662
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,039
if you are going to see an album anniversary tour show,

663
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,359
would you expect to hear a short show featuring exclusively

664
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:14,920
just tracks from the album or would you expect the

665
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,200
show to be padded out with B side Slash Rarity

666
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,680
Slash Greatest Hits to a standard lead at showtime. Also

667
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:23,440
in this situation, do you think the pricing of the

668
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,319
ticket should reflect how long a set the artists is

669
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:27,839
planning to play? Now, I can't speak to you know

670
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,279
what Paul will thinking in terms of submitting this question,

671
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,880
but I couldn't help but think of the night before

672
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,880
we have recorded this, Slipknot of played their first show

673
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:39,839
of their like twenty fifth anniversary first album tour that

674
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:42,440
they're going to be taken, you know, everywhere, And so

675
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:44,359
today I've been seeing a lot of videos of like

676
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,519
Slipnot playing you know this song for the first time

677
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:50,279
and however long whatever, and the surprise there they on

678
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:52,400
that tour have literally, at least on the first show

679
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,119
of the tour literally did play no song after nineteen

680
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,559
ninety nine, which is kind of interesting because they did

681
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:00,759
play that like little Tiny Sea Quit show, didn't they

682
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:03,279
where they eline the band and that was part of

683
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:05,680
their celebrations. But they did play songs from kind of

684
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,519
you know, across the catalog at that particular show. But

685
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,480
it looks like for this tour at least for the

686
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,799
beginning here and they've gone, no, we're literally just playing

687
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:16,680
the first album. So that might be what was you know,

688
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:21,079
kind of going around to encourage this question, I guess

689
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:23,559
you know, I'll use that as a specific example, but

690
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:25,319
as an overview, what would your kind of thoughts be.

691
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:29,359
Speaker 3: I mean, generally it depends on length of the album. Well,

692
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:31,720
that would be a factor. Like, but usually when I

693
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:33,920
go to an album show, I expect I'm going to

694
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,359
go in, I'm going to see the band play the

695
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:38,720
album and then as an encore for however long they

696
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:43,759
do it, two, three, four, other songs tax on the end. Like,

697
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,920
that's generally my expectation from an album in full show.

698
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,559
Speaker 2: It's what kids and glass houses them do it.

699
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: That's the most recent, that's the most recent example that

700
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,119
I've seen that jump in my head. I've sure I've

701
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,680
seen other album in full shows recently that aren't springing

702
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,319
to mind. Frist doing the Artists and the Ambulance was

703
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:02,799
a similar thing where they did they did the arsen Amazon,

704
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,039
they did sort of like one song off of each

705
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:09,480
other album and that's what I've seen. Go Inside, they've

706
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,640
done something, go what you give, and then they did

707
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,920
one song off all the other albums afterwards.

708
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: Like something like that.

709
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,319
Speaker 3: Like that that would mean to me be the ideal

710
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,119
or or like even like b sides and rarities from

711
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,000
that era would be a cool kind of like added touch.

712
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,000
If it is you noticed a half an hour album,

713
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:29,519
I would feel a little bit short changed if I

714
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:32,160
went to see that, unless it's a hardcore band, because

715
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,720
you know that's what they'll play.

716
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:36,079
Speaker 2: But if I was going to see a big band

717
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:36,960
in the big show they.

718
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,799
Speaker 3: Played half an hour, they were half an hour album,

719
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:40,440
but they make just stretch it over to an hour

720
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,359
because of taking breaks and pissing.

721
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:44,279
Speaker 2: About, I would feel a little bit short changed.

722
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: As for the whole like pricing thing, this is where

723
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:52,640
you get into like because again, like should tours be

724
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,160
kind of like priced on how long the band played

725
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,640
for and all this sort of stuff is it's a

726
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,119
weird one.

727
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: So I'm just like I mean, ideally a band should.

728
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: Still seek to do that regular angth set with the

729
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,680
album in full show, and however they choose to pad

730
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,920
it out, whether it's just the album being long enough

731
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,880
to do it, or whether they add in the songs,

732
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:13,440
that's what should be the situation in this.

733
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously we can focus on sort of headline shows

734
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,360
here rather than like festivals where bands will often tell

735
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,800
them and play here, here we are, heres an hour,

736
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,960
here's yeah, even then the album, yeah, even there, you

737
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:23,800
might do, Okay, this album is like forty five minutes long,

738
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,599
so we'll fit in you know, two other songs at

739
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:27,360
the end or whatever. But let's talk about you know, obviously,

740
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,199
because in terms of the pricing thing, you're talking about

741
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,480
your bait. You're buying a ticket for one kind of

742
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:35,280
headline band in particular, I would, you know, essentially, I

743
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,679
think I would echo everything you've just said. You know,

744
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,679
if it's a huge long album, then I can see it,

745
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,920
you know, lasting most of the set. But if it is,

746
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,719
I think like most bands release albums that are in

747
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,199
like what like the forty minute range or something. Yeah,

748
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,679
so in those kind of kit and you know, a

749
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,679
lot of time in terms of live that say, there's

750
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,960
you know, instrument changeovers, whatever, the natural sort of breaks

751
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,199
between songs that might bump up to you know, fifty whatever,

752
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,199
maybe even up to an hour, And at that stage

753
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,280
I would be like, yeah, okay, I would expect a

754
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,440
few songs as an encore from other things. This slept

755
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,119
not one. So looking at the show they've just done

756
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:14,159
where they've played the entirety of the first album but

757
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,039
nothing else. Really first leg my album is a fairly

758
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,440
lengthy album. It's got what, like, I know, there's different

759
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:22,079
versions of it with like you know, here's purity on

760
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:23,840
it and here is not whatever. But there's a good

761
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,599
like fifty odd tracks there to kind of choose from,

762
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:29,960
and obviously they're doing the lot of those and looking

763
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,679
at you know, this kind of particular Slipknot show, it

764
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,159
looks like that Davy Arm performance was lasting around kind

765
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:39,639
of seven minutes long. Now, if I was going to

766
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:43,360
this tour, would I like a you know, sort of

767
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,519
sixty seven minute main set of that and then some

768
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:50,599
other songs from later albums as an encore to take

769
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:52,440
it up to like the ninety minute range. Yeah, that

770
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,840
would be my preference for sure, and if they're not

771
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,760
doing that, it's a it's a bit of a shame,

772
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,280
particularly for like a expensive arena show. The arena thing,

773
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:04,159
the price thing. Even as you mentioned, if you start

774
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,760
judging like on a you know, pay by minute basis

775
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,320
of like, it gets so messy.

776
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,559
Speaker 3: It's an argument's been used for so many things now,

777
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:14,719
and it's like, length isn't the factor that to dictate

778
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,000
the price. I agree, some bands don't play long enough,

779
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:19,920
and you can feel really short changed if you've paid

780
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,320
X amount and got forty minutes.

781
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,519
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and it's obviously naturally geared against things

782
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:28,079
like hardcore bands or grindcore bands or whatever who naturally

783
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:30,239
like you see people sometimes who are only used the

784
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,639
big rock shows, and then there's Erka a grind bat.

785
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 3: Everyone outbreak winging about twenty minute sets, and I was like, no,

786
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,239
keep the twenty minutes outreak.

787
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: Some hardcore bands play headline shows of like forty minutes

788
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:44,360
or whatever as a rule, because it's like it's short form, intense,

789
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:45,559
it's you're.

790
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,079
Speaker 2: In a basement's power for those songs and be done.

791
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:51,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Slipnot is an interesting argument because Slipknot is

792
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,400
particularly if they're doing, let's say the first album, which

793
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,639
is like all fucking crazy, right, physically intensive music, isn't it.

794
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,519
And I know that slip Not an interesting position because

795
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:05,679
they're almost like halfway between being like enormous, you know,

796
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,679
radio band, which obviously in terms of the status I

797
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,800
know obviously they are, but also in terms of the

798
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,199
kind of music they're playing. Some of the kind of

799
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,000
part of the appeal of Slipknot is you are seeing

800
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:18,239
something that's like not a million miles away from like

801
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,159
a hardcore show or even like a noise show or

802
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:22,519
something with certain parts of it done on this kind

803
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:25,000
of massive scale, and looking at this like Slipknot, you

804
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,079
know ports they've just done, They've done like get this

805
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,280
into Eel and like that's just all fucking violence for

806
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,079
a while. And you know, they're a band who have

807
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:35,760
been talking about, you know, we're not going to last

808
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,360
a tremendous amount more years because of how physically taxing

809
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,079
it is kind of on our body to be playing it.

810
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,559
So and the particular aura I think obviously when you're

811
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:47,320
saying you don't want to price things by like minute

812
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,599
or whatever, part of it is almost by occasion, right,

813
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,280
it's like, this is a huge, enormous show with a

814
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,159
kind of aura around it, and that's kind of what

815
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:58,039
you're paying for rather than like your set ninety minutes

816
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,320
or whatever, or you know, two hours where whatever you

817
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,599
think it may be. And I, as I said, I

818
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,239
would like slip Knot on this to be playing let's say,

819
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,519
you know, seventy minutes of the first album set, and

820
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:13,280
then I'd like them to add another twenty twenty five

821
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,360
minutes or whatever, even if.

822
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: It's just fifteen minutes to just a freeze along or

823
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,400
of like people it called shit psychosocial and yeah, I

824
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,280
forget and just tack those films, and I would like.

825
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: Them to add those hits onto the end. And I

826
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,199
do think that would be the kind of bang for

827
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,960
the buck in that situation. But also if I was

828
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,039
to see slipt not playing the entirety of the first album,

829
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,159
and I'd see get this into e or and I'd

830
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:34,440
see them playing you know, closing on Scissors, which is

831
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,800
they just play for the first time. It's the year

832
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,159
two thousand and the sheer maniacal violence and darkness that

833
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,840
is involved in a set of that kind of you know, theming.

834
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,159
If they did not come back out and play psychosocial.

835
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,039
Would I be leaving that feeling like annoyed about my evening?

836
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:52,639
I don't think I would be.

837
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,199
Speaker 3: I mean, forgod, as I've just looked at, like a

838
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:58,280
other recis similar cellist where they're do them for this

839
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,280
they did sixteen songs, which is more than what you're getting,

840
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,639
yeah show, so so it does it maybe comes in

841
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,119
like Slimilar aren't a band who play over ninety minutes really,

842
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:12,679
because again it is so so intense. So I I

843
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,960
think you look, you're getting fourteen songs plus like a

844
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:16,920
couple of interludes.

845
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:19,599
Speaker 2: I think this one it skirts the line.

846
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,199
Speaker 3: But I think for what you're getting, I would still

847
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,719
say this is like an acceptable you know, the debut

848
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,000
Slim the album, it's accepted.

849
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: It is an acceptable evening. Yeah, I mean it is.

850
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,199
It's I'd imagine this is a shorter set than they

851
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,880
normally play, and in that sense it's like, oh, you know,

852
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,199
you've bumped it down a bit. But part of that

853
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,119
is as they say in particular, like the are of

854
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:40,559
like oh my god, I went to a Slipnot show

855
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:42,360
and they only played songs from nineteen ninety nine, and

856
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,800
how fucking crazy was that? And how you know some

857
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,519
of the songs haven't played in however long, So yeah,

858
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,000
you know, generally I agree that I would like to

859
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,280
see an album with like, if it's of this kind

860
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,119
of length or shorter, certainly come out and play more

861
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:57,760
songs at the end by all means. But again, occasion

862
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,360
by occasion, sort of a basis.

863
00:39:59,519 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: Paul T.

864
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,559
Speaker 1: Marry asks, best ever surprise appearance at a festival You've

865
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:05,639
seen I've got a couple of just sort of festival

866
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,360
questions here, obviously were in the heat of the summer.

867
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,599
This is the first one, best ever surprise appearance at

868
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:11,159
a festival.

869
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,639
Speaker 3: I mean, this is like going back to like twelve

870
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,760
years ago when I could actually say nice things about

871
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,440
this band Green Day. What do they do when the

872
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,000
surprise set of Reading Festival twenty twelve where they played

873
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:27,079
they opened the Enemy tent oh, right on Saturday morning.

874
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,599
Speaker 1: I took this as like like a guest appearance.

875
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,519
Speaker 2: Oh, I was like surprise festival like band turning up.

876
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:37,519
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe that maybe that's what the question was. I

877
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:39,000
didn't think of it in that way. I don't think

878
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,880
I've ever seen wait, I've seen one. Actually, I saw

879
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:44,519
the machine Head secret set at Bloodstock. I think it

880
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:49,039
was two years ago now, but yeah, I took it

881
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:50,639
as like watching a band at the festival and they

882
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:51,840
bring out, here's a guy.

883
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: Gonna if it was gonna be that, I would say

884
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:55,519
as well.

885
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: Of that one, probably when Michael mc c romans brought

886
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,280
out Brian May and I thought it was Ray Toro

887
00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:59,880
in a wig.

888
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: Easy mistake to make.

889
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: I genuinely just saw the big bushy head.

890
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 3: But they come and they started playing we were Rocky,

891
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,000
and I was like, oh, they come, we were rocking

892
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,119
and raised just as.

893
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: Brandman, and I was like, that is Brian Way.

894
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: And then he stuck around and played Black Parade with

895
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,159
them and it was fucking awesome. So like if we

896
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,280
go over that, we'll go to that. And otherwise Green

897
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,519
Day when they did that surprise set of Reading Festival,

898
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,199
that everyone knew what was happening because they've been teasing

899
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:24,639
it heavily.

900
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, also still it counts a surprise those those two.

901
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,559
Speaker 1: Didn't you see Gajierra once and they brought up Randy

902
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:32,559
blythe yes.

903
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: I did no other way around, Yeah, no, no, yes, no.

904
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,519
Speaker 1: It was because Randy Bye features on a Gadeeria song.

905
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it.

906
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 3: Wasn't a song he featured on. He did Backbone. He

907
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,400
came up to the backbone with them. It was fucking

908
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,320
sick to be fair and made friend of ours James

909
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,599
Housta cry.

910
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but should have a naration for anyway. That's one

911
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,360
that popped into my head, even though I did not

912
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,119
in person see that one. Like I said, I was

913
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:58,320
thinking about this all in the guest kind of sense.

914
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:00,920
It was on the machine head front. It was nice

915
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,719
seeing Rob Flynn appear during like Violence is Set. That

916
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,559
same year, I think Malevolence when they headlined the tenth

917
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:09,000
I think it was that same year they brought out

918
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,880
like Will Rammels from Lorna Shore to you know stuff

919
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,800
with them. That was cool. He always like to bring

920
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,039
out a guest spot like yeah, not not a festival,

921
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:18,639
this is just a show. They were touring together. But

922
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:20,440
I think I will always, you know, particularly now, I'll

923
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,519
always have a soft spot for the memory of seeing

924
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:24,960
Cannibal Corpse with the Black Dahley Murder and Trevors Drnard

925
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:27,039
coming out with them to do stript and strangled as

926
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:29,400
like a death metal duet was always, you know, again,

927
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,599
very very fond memory at a festival, though there's one

928
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:35,119
that I'm pretty sure we saw together that come to mind,

929
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,440
which was Gallows at Slam Dunk twenty nineteen.

930
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: The last bring lim Out. Yeah what they last?

931
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,079
Speaker 1: They brought Liam call meer Out. But also like, I

932
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,239
feel like I don't know if I've remembered this correctly

933
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,079
because I was, I was getting quite rowdy during that set,

934
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:50,599
but didn't. At the very end, during the end of

935
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,679
Orchestra of Wolves, like when it all just fucking collapses,

936
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:55,760
Wade like jumped in the crowd. It was just sort

937
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,360
of like wrestling around and fucking Darryl Palumbo appeared because

938
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,199
the Glass were playing on the stage and like was

939
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,239
singing the rest of the song from essentially Wade spot

940
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,039
on stage while Wade was like fighting people in the crowd.

941
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:12,639
Speaker 3: Yeah no, yeah, no, that fuck oh that was it?

942
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,000
Oh Mann's come back.

943
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,199
Speaker 1: That would be good. Yeah, But that combination of Leam

944
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,480
Cormier and Daryl pal Lumber period at different points that

945
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,679
Gallow set, I think is the festival answer that I have.

946
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,960
And then Matt Bailey asked, what's the most disgusting, slash

947
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,559
strangest thing you've seen at the Festival.

948
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,559
Speaker 3: I drew a blank on this because I'm just like

949
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:31,159
I've been too so many festivals over the years that

950
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:33,039
you know, I mean, I've had to.

951
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:33,559
Speaker 2: Say the most.

952
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,199
Speaker 3: It's not something I've seen, but we just have to

953
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,440
like mention outbreak last year. Disgusting thing you smelled the

954
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:45,440
most discussion is Word Festival Outbreak twenty twenty three and

955
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,840
that Sunday just flashbacks that.

956
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: Were you at the Bloodstock where there was where the

957
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,480
Black Darley Murder played and I know about that, like, yeah,

958
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:58,239
there was there was copulation in the pit during the

959
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,880
Fat Time Murder. This the only thing I can think

960
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,480
of disgusting is this might be a Tami situation with

961
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:10,480
certain people. But Download twenty nineteen, which infamously was one

962
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:14,800
of the rainier, more hellish years, My tent was on

963
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:19,960
essentially like a slope and it was like next to

964
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:22,960
essentially the walkway where people were trying to walk up

965
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,960
this hill to get towards like the kind of village

966
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,159
area and stuff like that. But the rain had turned

967
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:30,519
it all into yeah, and then people being people that

968
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:31,920
they obviously turned it to a bit of fun and

969
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,920
people just mud sliding down this you know hill for

970
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,000
the entire rest of the weekend, get essentially going right

971
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:39,239
path whizzing by my ear as I was in my

972
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,840
tents like mulee going down and you know, by the

973
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,760
end you appear at the bottom and you'd just be

974
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,440
like a total you know, brown coated person. But some

975
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:51,360
person who I was in the you know, camping vicinity

976
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,480
with I won't name any names, but someone who was

977
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:57,039
in again the area of where I was camping, had

978
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:58,920
had a little bit of a dicky tunny at one

979
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,880
point and you know, got got ill from eating something

980
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,559
or earlier, and it emerged during the night that essentially

981
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:13,119
inside his tent there was a violent shitting episode on

982
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,320
the next morning, and uh, the inside of this guy's

983
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,519
tent was as brown as the bottom of that hill

984
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:22,400
where people were.

985
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 3: Just wake up and running just get outside again, just

986
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:27,360
to clive right here.

987
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: I was not in a tent with this person. I

988
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:29,960
was like a couple of tents over.

989
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, Like the stomach likes not wake them up.

990
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,559
Speaker 2: And then.

991
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: We are in this morning, We're like, you were right,

992
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,119
and he just was like looked like he was a ghost.

993
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:43,280
He was just like, I'm not all right, but it

994
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,519
will straw you sort of way the muddiness of the

995
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:47,880
general scenario. It kind of meant he blended in. He

996
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,000
kept like a camouflage going on, but that man was

997
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,400
was was not well and there was quite the clean

998
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:55,960
up operation going on. So that is what springs to

999
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,519
mind for me. And then goose Particle asks, does artwork

1000
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:03,119
ever cross a line for you? I think carcass using

1001
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,320
dead bodies is at least sourced from medical books and

1002
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,440
they have created something from that, whereas the origins of

1003
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,599
the pisk grave covers are a bit hard to defend

1004
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:11,400
and don't quite sit right with me, even if that

1005
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,000
is the intention. Yeah, So this is maybe a bit

1006
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,639
of a content warning here for the next kind of

1007
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:18,559
like five ten minutes or so or whatever, we are

1008
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:20,920
going to be talking about death and gore in a

1009
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,280
slightly more intense way than, you know, in serious way

1010
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,079
than his usual which is normally just banter in it.

1011
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:27,440
This is a question that you know at various times,

1012
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,719
being a fan of some of the bands you know

1013
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,400
in question, I've thought about, you know, a fair bit,

1014
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,320
and not in a way where I've come to a,

1015
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,280
you know, a concrete answer, but I think it's a

1016
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,639
subject that kind of makes for debate. You know, so

1017
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,239
just as a general overview, what's your sort of feelings

1018
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,079
and stuff like that.

1019
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: I mean, there will there will be our more ousit.

1020
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: I do think coss line as you that the one

1021
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:52,519
is going to brow up here the gore and violence

1022
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:54,400
and death and morbid stuff like even again, if it

1023
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,280
is real horrid like imagery, like yes, it does cross line,

1024
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,599
but it does necessarily bother me too much. I can't

1025
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:04,440
think went into that's being to mind or to mead,

1026
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,519
but like it would more be you know, the albums

1027
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:11,880
that have potentially like taboo subjects or like discriminatory things

1028
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,880
like that. Those and again there are some extit that

1029
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,320
none just been to mine, but like that would you

1030
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,079
could say is problematic that they're not just gory? Would

1031
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:20,920
be the stuff that would be more crossing the line

1032
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:22,679
for me, I'd say.

1033
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:26,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think so stuff that is essentially what

1034
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,760
we're talking about. To hear the usage of like real

1035
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,360
gore and real you know, death and violence on like

1036
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,599
album artwork, And as like a general view, does that

1037
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,800
cross a moral line? I think unavoidably somewhere probably yeah,

1038
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,280
But I think, as you know, consumers of art who

1039
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,400
you're line for the kind of things that you will

1040
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,760
allow into your brain space that will vary from person

1041
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,920
to personally. And you know, a lot of art does

1042
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,679
somewhere along lung some line, cross something or do something

1043
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:03,320
that is problematic or whatever, and it's up to you

1044
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:08,480
how you kind of engage with that. And I think

1045
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:13,199
that's particularly true in something like you know, extreme uncompromising

1046
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,599
heavy music or whatever, because death metal, for me is

1047
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:21,840
to some degree it's music that is meant to be.

1048
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,840
I know, obviously a lot of death metal is just

1049
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,119
like fun and great, sure I can, I can take

1050
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:28,800
it in that way, and I love that, But as

1051
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,280
someone who also you know, values the serious artistic kind

1052
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,119
of output of a genre like death metal to some degree,

1053
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:41,320
to me, it's about kind of the concept of death

1054
00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:45,000
right and the point of you know, pisgrave for example,

1055
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:50,159
who use very just like violent like you know, a

1056
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,159
person being basically obliterated kind of images as their you know,

1057
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:58,039
focal point. The point of something like that is to

1058
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:04,559
kind of create this shocking, you know, like unflinching nothing

1059
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:07,360
is censored or sanitized. This is what you know, a

1060
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,039
violent death kind of looks like kind of approach and

1061
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:16,480
particularly with them, the the you know, the the humans

1062
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,679
in question have been so kind of again use the

1063
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:21,559
word obliterated.

1064
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean some of them there they are soup literally.

1065
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, like but and there's something very you know, I

1066
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:31,679
can think of, you know, their way of thinking. That

1067
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,239
is that they are presenting images where people have been

1068
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,880
essentially been reduced to meat. Right, It's like they are

1069
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,840
there's no person left there anymore, it is just organic matter.

1070
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:45,960
And again, the concept there is about the fragility of

1071
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:48,920
human life and the fragility of the human body. And

1072
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,920
we might think of ourselves as these kind of you know,

1073
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,960
grand superior beings or whatever. But if you get hit

1074
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,800
by a fucking car in the wrong kind of way,

1075
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,280
then you know, you might end up looking like that,

1076
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,079
or if you are to rock for a certain amount

1077
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:03,199
of time, you will look like that. And there is

1078
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,199
something there's very something very depersonalizing about that. Where As

1079
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,159
I said, it's like the person in question has had

1080
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,199
all kind of identity or whatever stripped from them and

1081
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:16,239
they are just you know, obliterated flesh at that point.

1082
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,239
And that depersonalizing is something that I think you could

1083
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,199
either take moral umbrage with because it is so depersonalizing,

1084
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,119
or it is like the kind of identity of the

1085
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:29,840
person is no longer part of the piece of art

1086
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,280
for them to be kind of involved with it. And

1087
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,880
that's say, you know what I mean, because and I

1088
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,079
think that that as a concept. Obviously that's a very

1089
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:37,800
extreme form of it, but you can take that and

1090
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,480
kind of apply it to all sorts of stuff, where like,

1091
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,280
how many people here have seen like a human skull? Right,

1092
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:45,400
Like I'd wager I know it sounds like a weird question,

1093
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:46,719
but a lot of people have probably seen one, because

1094
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,559
it's like in a museum, right, you know, you can

1095
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:52,039
go and see thousands of year old mummies that are well,

1096
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,800
once a person, but of now like so thoroughly being

1097
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,159
kind of you know, consumed by time to some kind

1098
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:01,599
of degree, and you know, you can use human bones

1099
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:06,840
as like props in fucking theater or whatever. And it's like,

1100
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,199
at what person does At what point does that person's

1101
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,920
skull stop being kind of tied to their identity and

1102
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,119
just become like a body part?

1103
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1104
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: No, no, no, like you've gone way even the size wedding,

1105
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,519
but like you're no, you're you're correct, Well.

1106
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,519
Speaker 1: I think this is this, I think where you kind

1107
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:23,880
of think about in terms of engaging with this. And

1108
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,079
I mean even like, you know, we had a story

1109
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:27,719
a couple of weeks ago before we went home for

1110
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,400
surgery that Queens of Stone Age we're going to be

1111
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,159
playing in likes in Paris, Yeah, yeah, And it's like

1112
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:35,760
that's a place that it is just hundreds and thousands

1113
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,880
of like human bodies and human bones, but no one

1114
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:45,039
recognizes them as individuals anymore because they are just piles

1115
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:49,199
of like hundreds of year old loose bones. And is

1116
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,760
going and playing a frivolous rock concert in a such

1117
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,639
a setting in any way disrespectful for these like hundreds

1118
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:56,360
of year old dead people. I don't know, you know,

1119
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,960
it's it's the kind of subject and I think, you know,

1120
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,719
even you know, there's there's movies like you know, you

1121
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,840
know I'm talking about like the necromantic movies and stuff

1122
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,960
like that, which are like sort of necrophiliac rom coms

1123
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:10,159
or something or whatever you want to call them. But

1124
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:12,880
you know, there's usage of like you know, real human

1125
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,519
skulls and stuff like that in kind of that. And

1126
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:19,239
it's like the interest of a dead person's consent in

1127
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,599
these things is a very interesting subject in terms of

1128
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:25,039
like trying to navigate these kind of lines and like,

1129
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,880
have you ever been like the Hunterian Museum.

1130
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,039
Speaker 2: No, I haven't. I know everybody I've never like checked

1131
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:31,519
out with that.

1132
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:34,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a hunter Museum. Is it's a medical kind

1133
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:38,119
of specimen museum in London. And I've been there and

1134
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:40,440
it is it's just like shells and shells and rows

1135
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,840
and rows of like exactly as I've said, like surgical

1136
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,559
specimens and stuff mostly from kind of the eighteen hundreds or whatever,

1137
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:48,400
and these like pickle things in jars and leave them there.

1138
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,639
But you can go into this museum and you can

1139
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:50,960
walk up a down the lines and you can you know,

1140
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,599
I've seen you know, like uh, dead babies essentially, like

1141
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:57,360
kind of you know, babies that weren't born the right

1142
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,039
way and were kind of you know, weren't going to

1143
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:01,119
survive beyond birth or whatever. You can just see like

1144
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:03,760
people's faces that have just been like removed and they

1145
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,440
are just there on display. You can see all kinds

1146
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,880
of like any body part you like, from someone who

1147
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,400
has some kind of sickness to do with it, and

1148
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,760
it's there preserved in a jar. And you can just

1149
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,119
walk in this museum and walk up and down that.

1150
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,079
And I know that you were talking there about in

1151
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:17,719
the question about the carcass thing and about kind of

1152
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,639
using medical journals and stuff, and it's like, yeah, okay,

1153
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:22,880
that's in that kind of line, But what is the

1154
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,400
boundary between that and then say, you know, a pisk

1155
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,159
Gray thing or something like that. Like you know, pisk

1156
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:31,400
Grave aren't the first band to trade on using like

1157
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,599
real they are. Yeah, I mean example, the Kid to

1158
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:37,760
My thea preherior, the kind of Mexican you know, kind

1159
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,440
of grindcore band, and they use a lot of imagery

1160
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,039
of like you know, death and violence to come out

1161
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:43,960
of like Mexican drug wars and stuff like that, and

1162
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,559
that became quite an iconic part of that, you know,

1163
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,719
nineties like grindcore or whatever stuff. And so you know,

1164
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,079
what is the morally permissible part of that?

1165
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 3: No, like it's just a wider thing. You have to

1166
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,360
discuss it again, it's just to what these things can represent.

1167
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,800
I guess, like I again, I can't really like provide

1168
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,760
a glimpse into what would be except on this.

1169
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.

1170
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: Because and you know whenever pists Grave, they haven't been

1171
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:11,880
around for you know, have the recent album in five

1172
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,960
years now. But with if pist Graves were to announce

1173
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,679
a new album and it had a an artwork that's

1174
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,599
in line with their other ones, I'm sure there would

1175
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:19,920
be you know, I would go on Twitter and I

1176
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,800
would see a lot of people, you know, being offended

1177
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,679
by it. And that's because that's kind of inevitable with

1178
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,360
with with what they're doing a reason more you know,

1179
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,480
kind of again similar kind of timeframe. Comparatively recent example

1180
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,840
that does bring to mine was Griman. That band New Menorian. Yes,

1181
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,440
they were like a black gays band who weirdly then

1182
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,159
like like on their later albums, became like really quite popular.

1183
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,880
But they released I think it was their first album,

1184
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,679
but they released an album that had essentially a like

1185
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,360
a kind of morg shot of like of a dead child,

1186
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:55,079
and that a lot of people were like, this is

1187
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:57,920
fucking horrible, you shouldn't do this, and that one I

1188
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,679
do kind of. I look, I find that more difficult

1189
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,159
and more like crossing a line than the pisk Grave ones.

1190
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:07,960
And maybe it's because obviously that is a child, but

1191
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:11,960
also it was recognizable, Yeah, it was, it was recognizably

1192
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,880
a child. Like that was a child's face right there

1193
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,719
where where in a pisk Grave scenario, like all of

1194
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,079
those markers of an individual identity are kind of long

1195
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,159
gone with it. Yeah, and so yeah, like I said,

1196
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:27,079
I don't think there is a concrete It's completely down

1197
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:29,119
to you whether you are okay with these things or not.

1198
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:35,199
I think that someone like piss Grave, even a very

1199
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,159
you know, brutish, straightforward, unnuanced kind of way, they are

1200
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,639
creating a kind of you know, they're creating a conversation

1201
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:46,840
here in a debate about kind of human mortality and

1202
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,360
the quickness of how it can be kind of snuffed out,

1203
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,679
which is a huge concept of that strand of death

1204
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,559
metal in general. And uh, you know, the the interesting

1205
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,880
kind of lines between again what is permissible and what isn't.

1206
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,559
And I think in general you can talk about I mean,

1207
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:05,000
it's a subject'm quite interested in general. But like the

1208
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,320
Western world, we have a history of kind of trying

1209
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,960
to hide away death in kind of our culture compared

1210
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,119
to there are some cultures where when a family member dies,

1211
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:19,760
the body will then be kind of you know, like

1212
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,840
taken in by the family members, and we kind of

1213
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,360
treated and cared for of a series of you know,

1214
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,880
days or whatever before however, they decide to you know,

1215
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:30,320
kind of bury or you know, kind of dispose of

1216
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,360
their family member's body. And that would never happen in

1217
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,199
you know, England or the United States of America or

1218
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,679
anywhere like that. And so I think to a degree,

1219
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,360
there's something like this. Part of the appeal of something

1220
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,960
like metal in general is it is pushing a back

1221
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,159
against that kind of repression of a inevitable subject like

1222
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,760
death in our culture and in some you know, morally

1223
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:56,719
infringing way or another. Something like this is kind of

1224
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:57,519
part of that narrative.

1225
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've way deep on this now.

1226
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:03,679
Speaker 1: I think it's an intense question. No, it is.

1227
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 3: God there is giving me things I'd not thought about

1228
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,800
in the build up system, Like oh man, there's there's

1229
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,519
a lot to post on this now.

1230
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,159
Speaker 1: Like yeah, that that's my thought process in terms of

1231
00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:16,360
engaging with stuff like that, And a lot of it's

1232
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,239
very philosophical, and a lot of it is to do with,

1233
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,679
again the concept of depictions of death in our in

1234
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,239
general and how that relates to our own relations with death.

1235
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,440
So something like pist Grave again, I take it. I

1236
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,119
can't say whether it is right or wrong, but I

1237
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:30,239
take it in that kind of way, and that's what

1238
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:32,199
it makes me think about the stuff I actually find

1239
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:38,280
more morally like questionable. Shall we say, this feels like

1240
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,079
it shouldn't be true because what I'm about to describe

1241
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:43,239
our essentially like paintings and drawings where it's opposed to

1242
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,159
like real photographs of someone being killed, but like the

1243
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,239
just like the super misogynist brutal death metal.

1244
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 3: Like yeah, like that's the stuff that is like genery

1245
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,679
like really nasty messages and stuff or like, yes, like

1246
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,760
questionable depictions of things, and that that's a viving that does.

1247
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know, if you have spent

1248
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,599
any time listening to like Slam or going through like

1249
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:07,599
proper brutal death metal labels or whatever, you will see

1250
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:10,360
countless covers that fit a very certain house style where

1251
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,039
they're basically interchangeable, and they'll be just like you know, again,

1252
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:16,480
like paintings of just like the most like uh like

1253
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:19,960
gross fucked up, but also I think cliched and kind

1254
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,079
of hackneyed depictions of like you know, sexual violence or whatever.

1255
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,920
And I look at that and I go, unless there's

1256
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,480
some kind of subversion or something being done, with it.

1257
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:32,480
To me, there's no question or kind of thought being

1258
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:34,559
proposed there in the way that like the pis Grave

1259
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:35,679
ones are, for example.

1260
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: It's just like for shot value of no substance, it's just.

1261
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: Like blindly kind of propagatting a cliche that I think collectively,

1262
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,639
as a as a genre and a community, we kind

1263
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:46,519
of should decide to kind of move past. So that's

1264
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,760
the stuff that I look at and would be like

1265
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,800
reluctant to actually put on the show as opposed to.

1266
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 2: That.

1267
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: And I understand that that might be like I feel

1268
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,559
like a bit of a I don't know, a strange

1269
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,280
way of looking at it. But that's I mean, even

1270
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,239
like raginggainst the Machine, right, the first Raising Machine album

1271
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,519
is like one of the most widely available. You can

1272
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:08,159
buy it in any fucking shop like pieces of rock

1273
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:10,400
artwork ever. And it is a photograph of a guy

1274
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:11,760
taking his own life. And I was saying, no that

1275
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,519
there it's a it's a political.

1276
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:15,039
Speaker 2: It's a very proto historic photo.

1277
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: But I just all of these things they kind of

1278
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:19,480
they fall under a similar umbrella of like what are

1279
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:23,159
the different nuances that make one kind of different to another?

1280
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:25,039
But I hope that is a you know, at least

1281
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:27,119
an overview that kind of might go some way to

1282
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:30,159
answer your question or coloring a little bit how we

1283
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:32,840
might think about such things. So there you go. As

1284
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,760
I said, if we do not get your question this time,

1285
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,159
it may well pop up in a future segment of this.

1286
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:41,320
Moving on to what we've done over and that's my

1287
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,840
Patreon this week. The most recent thing we've done is

1288
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,079
you and I Sam. We did another little Tienda's Horror.

1289
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:48,039
We've been on a bit of rock with those, because

1290
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:49,800
sometimes we go a couple months where like, oh my god,

1291
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:50,519
there's nothing else.

1292
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:53,599
Speaker 3: Nothing like start of this year compared to like the summer,

1293
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,039
just like the drought. As now we are well fed.

1294
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we did an episode where we doubled up

1295
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:00,440
two more like really big horror movies have come out,

1296
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,360
one in particular as like absolutely taking the fucking world

1297
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,159
by storm. We're talking about Maxine, the conclusion of the

1298
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:05,800
X trilogy, which was nice to kind of cap off

1299
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,199
because we'd done the first two movies, but also Long Legs,

1300
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:11,000
and we had a big old discussion about you know,

1301
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,920
why that has kind of taken off so much and

1302
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:17,400
what it actually means if anything like you know what

1303
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:20,000
kind of story thematic stuff can we take out of that.

1304
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,440
Very interesting fun chats as always to have.

1305
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:26,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I love doing these right chats because this

1306
01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:27,519
is just us kind of going like, hey, we love

1307
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:27,880
these things.

1308
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 2: Le's like none out of them.

1309
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,679
Speaker 3: But again, like weird amounts of discourse around these two

1310
01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:34,440
movies in different ways, so it's kind of like good

1311
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,639
to get into that and kind of assess the movies

1312
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:40,639
on their own merits outside of the online discourse, but

1313
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:43,639
also just kind of examined how for Long Legs in particular,

1314
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,559
how it has blown up in the way it has

1315
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:47,320
and that kind of like world ride.

1316
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there'll be more stuff coming to the Patreon

1317
01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:53,480
as always in the coming week, So thank you very

1318
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:55,400
much if you choose to support us. There is that

1319
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,800
and only that really that allows this podcast to continue

1320
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,239
on in the shape that it does. So want to

1321
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,800
be involved with that and help us do what we do.

1322
01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:05,719
It's patroon dot com slash that's not metal. So let's

1323
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:09,519
finish off this hyper last week. The releases for this week,

1324
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:12,239
the second release week of August, We're going to start

1325
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:14,199
off with one I think a couple of a couple

1326
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,320
of you guys, I've been like quite looking forward to

1327
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,440
the Twin Atlantic album is out, which is called Meltdown

1328
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,199
because ear the last time we talked about Tin Atlantic,

1329
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,679
we were basically taking the piss out of them. You

1330
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:26,559
were quite keen on some of the singles that were

1331
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:27,639
coming out of this.

1332
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:29,679
Speaker 3: This is the singles they've done for this are the

1333
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:34,320
best stuff this band has put out in ten years,

1334
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,719
probably like twenty fourteen in the last albu where they

1335
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,679
were this good. So I am cautiously excited over the

1336
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,599
prospect of a new Twin Atlantic album, which I'd kind

1337
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:44,960
of written off so fingers crossed.

1338
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, very nice. I suppose that the bigger releases in

1339
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,880
general this week are coming from that kind of melodic

1340
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:52,800
rock side whatever you know, sunny Tunes in the in August,

1341
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,840
because we've also got the new four year strong album

1342
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,880
called Analysis Paralysis, the same as an Apalm death song

1343
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,400
I hope lives up to to that, but another pretty

1344
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:02,320
heavily antipated record.

1345
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: Well every time I die in it, so you know, oh.

1346
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's right. So that is out. We also

1347
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:11,679
have Ozzie pub rockers June Rats back with if It Sucks,

1348
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,519
Turn It Up, King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard have

1349
01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:17,400
released their nine and forty eighth album.

1350
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 2: Let's say that time of year again, is it?

1351
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,679
Speaker 1: Yeah? It's called Flight B seven four one. Because they

1352
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,360
change style too much, I'm not really sure what this

1353
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,280
does in particularly compare to other ones. I don't think

1354
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,000
it's another of their metal ones, which is they're the

1355
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,679
ones that I like tune into. But there is new

1356
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,880
King Gizzard that is out. And we also have a

1357
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,519
band who were featured on the show a long time

1358
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:37,599
ago in that kind of emo power poppy type realm

1359
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:42,400
Ohso with Life Till Bones going further more into punk stuff,

1360
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,599
there's Fucked Up. I've got an album called Another Day.

1361
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:49,440
Destroy Boys have got Funeral Soundtrack number four. The genuinely

1362
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,280
the biggest metal release I think in terms of at

1363
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,480
least size this week is mushroom Head with an album

1364
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:57,880
called Call the Devil, and the album artwork for this

1365
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:00,800
is so funny. It's like a devil figure looking down

1366
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:05,079
at his smartphone because he's calling up the Devil. The

1367
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:08,239
new mushroom Heads out now. If you are more of

1368
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,119
a European persuasion, fammer Fall have got their new album

1369
01:03:12,159 --> 01:03:17,079
Power Metal Staples Avenge the Fallen. Moving into the underground

1370
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:20,960
stuff first up with kind of post rock realms and

1371
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,400
So I Watch You from Afar have released a record

1372
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:28,880
called Mega Fauna UK sludge stuff Kurukuma with of amber

1373
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:31,480
and sand. This is a record that I think came

1374
01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:32,880
abut a couple of weeks ago, but I've been kind

1375
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,719
of made aware of it more recently. UK. If you

1376
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,559
like like intense mathy madness stuff from kind of that,

1377
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:43,079
you know, homegrown UK scene Tendrills released an album called

1378
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:48,920
Long Dead. Moving outside of the UK, experimental underground band

1379
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,599
Mammaalik have released Vida Blue, and then we go into

1380
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,519
death metal stuff we have The Italian brutal death metal

1381
01:03:55,519 --> 01:03:58,840
band Faultcy have released a record called duck Face Killings,

1382
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,920
which on the surface is a nonsense title, but considering

1383
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,239
the Faultchy collection and also the album are for this,

1384
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:06,840
I'm gonna assume that that's a New York ripper.

1385
01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:08,679
Speaker 2: That's why I just saw. I was like, yeah, that's

1386
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:09,440
new referring it.

1387
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: Going on there and speaking of one for you, Sam.

1388
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:18,599
The Kaiju themed band Oxygen Destroyer have released their record

1389
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:22,920
called Guardian of the Universe.

1390
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 3: Was like, I'm not aware of this band, but if

1391
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,519
the you know, the band name being a Godzilla reference

1392
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,760
and then the album title being a reference to the

1393
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,039
other Big lad that I am a big fan.

1394
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the album mark for this does believe I have

1395
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:41,400
have Gamera on it, So if you listen, if you're

1396
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,800
in too Kaiju metal, there you go and a long

1397
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,280
kind of you know, I think defunct Brittle Death of

1398
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,960
Bat band from the two thousands of Maladorus have released

1399
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,599
a comeback record called The Carrion Recoil. And then also

1400
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:58,440
from Japan, there's a band called Viscera Infest who received

1401
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,280
certain online infamy because of their like I don't know

1402
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,199
what they call them, like cock croach pits or something

1403
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,320
where people like lie on their back and they release

1404
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,440
a record it's called Terror Toma and in sort of

1405
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,280
black metal they type stuff maybe slightly proggy. In Athelian

1406
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,199
have released Reaper Dawn. And then we have a live

1407
01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:18,880
album from High Lung called Leifer eyutun Guard Live at

1408
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,119
the Red Rocks Amphitheater, and I know the live show

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is a huge basically the only thing that people talk

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about with with High Lung, so that is out there

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in recorded form, So there you go. Thank you very

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much for being here with us in this episode. Next

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week I will be back with the report from Bloodstock

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Festival where I am. I am about to pack my

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bags and head off to so that will be coming

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for you next week. But we will then have you know,

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review show and other stuff coming on the horizon. I

1418
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have been listening to some big records this week, some

1419
01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:51,559
long awaited big records that are coming out at the

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end of august 's actually a couple of those, isn't there,

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But I've been listening to them, so we're gonna talk

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about those. So thank you. Everybody. Say hello at Bloodstock

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and if you see me, I'm always down to say

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hi to people. And if you don't see me and

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you're just there, I just hope you have a great weekend.

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So yeah, I'll do that with that, Cheers everybody, Bye bye,