1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: What is up? 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,599 Speaker 2: Fellas Seko's I Am Dana Valley coming at you with 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,960 more Jensen of the NBA Podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,640 Fame of Forbes Fame, and of OnlyFans celebrity. We're here 5 00:00:17,679 --> 00:00:20,199 to talk about what else the NBA Finals. We are 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,039 recording this in advance of Game six, but we're gonna 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,039 kind of just get into some big picture stuff, including 8 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:27,839 that's Tire's Haliburton injury, the play of j Dubb before 9 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:30,519 we get started, though more, How the heck are you? 10 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 3: I am doing well, sir. 11 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:37,079 Speaker 4: Look I am enjoying this Finals to the fullest, but 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,079 I'm also very much anxious for the season to be 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,640 over so I won't have to get to bed at 14 00:00:42,679 --> 00:00:46,079 like six in the morning to cover the championship round. 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,039 Speaker 2: What about to cover all the free agency signings with 16 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:51,039 all that cap space and big names that are floating 17 00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:51,560 right that I. 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:52,359 Speaker 3: Look forward to. 19 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 4: Because I can pick my own hours. There is not 20 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:57,439 really set like I don't have to be in front 21 00:00:57,479 --> 00:01:00,759 of anything like at this at a specific time, Like sure, 22 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,240 free agency is gonna kick off at a certain time. Yes, 23 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:06,879 I think midnight my time, But you know what, that's 24 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,200 manageable and I'll just stay up for a couple hours 25 00:01:09,239 --> 00:01:10,480 and then I can pick up in the morning. 26 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,159 Speaker 2: I was making a joke because there is no cap 27 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,120 space and really no good free agent, so it's sort 28 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:16,120 of like the. 29 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,519 Speaker 3: Trades of trades are still a thing. 30 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:20,359 Speaker 2: They're still think I think trades are gonna be the 31 00:01:20,359 --> 00:01:23,719 bigger thing, as the Magic Grizzlies kind of showed us already. 32 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,519 Let's start talking about these finals, though, and I think 33 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,359 the place to begin is Jalen Williams. Uh had a 34 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,120 forty burger in Game five, hit some really big shots 35 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:36,480 had to go in from the in between. He's had 36 00:01:36,519 --> 00:01:40,239 some sort of low moments during these playoffs and during 37 00:01:40,239 --> 00:01:42,799 this series, but his defense is buying large, been fantastic 38 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,480 through and through and I know a bunch of people 39 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,120 probably feel the same way here. But when he has 40 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:51,159 it going on the same night that Shaye does, that's 41 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:53,959 when I sit there and go, this is like the 42 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:54,799 thunder future. 43 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,519 Speaker 1: And you could say the same thing with. 44 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: Chet to where it's there if they want to run 45 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,200 the tape indefinitely, Like if you have Jay Dubb reaching 46 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,480 a level that he did in game six, excuse me 47 00:02:05,519 --> 00:02:09,960 game five specifically, you as the Oklahoma City Thunder have 48 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:15,479 that feeling of inevitability with like the setup both in 49 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,280 terms of your salaries and your assets to continue just 50 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,639 getting back to this moment. I won't say every year 51 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,400 because we know how that's kind of worked over the 52 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,800 past seven years or so, but like you are just 53 00:02:26,879 --> 00:02:28,719 always going to be relevant in the thick of things, 54 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:30,840 if not lording over the field. 55 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: And that's what like and. 56 00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:36,039 Speaker 2: Again it was sort of an indie felt like they 57 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,800 kind of absorbed a lot of Oklahoma City's best stuff 58 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,199 before they were able to, you know, kind of claw 59 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,000 back in the second half before then letting go of 60 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,599 the rope. But when Jay Dubb is like that and 61 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,560 the way he's grown as a player, just with like 62 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,280 his decision making on the ball, specifically even as a passer, 63 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:52,680 but definitely in terms of getting to his spots, finding 64 00:02:52,719 --> 00:02:56,639 his shots, hitting these turnarounds and these fadeaways, manipulating defenses. 65 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:00,439 He can operate it's like similar to Shay. Different players, 66 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:02,599 of course, but similar to Shay where he can operate 67 00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:05,960 with the dial at so many different notches now to 68 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,120 where earlier on in his career felt like he had 69 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:10,000 to rely on sort of the speed or like the 70 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,400 fast pace of it. But now he really is just 71 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:15,479 able to manipulate and butcher defenses. 72 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: And this is Look, this. 73 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: Series has been fantastic. It doesn't take anything away from 74 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,759 the Pacers. But like when you talk about the thunder 75 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,680 being inevitable or feeling inevitable, sometimes it's not just about Shay, 76 00:03:24,759 --> 00:03:26,039 it's about oh, they have Shay. 77 00:03:26,199 --> 00:03:27,759 Speaker 1: And then there's this guy right here. 78 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: In Ja Dubb already an All NBA player who hasn't 79 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,639 You could quibble over whether you would have had him 80 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,479 All NBA whatever, Like we just don't even know his 81 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,199 ceiling yet, because it would be what is jaale On 82 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:38,120 Williams's ceiling. 83 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:41,639 Speaker 1: If I told you, like, is it top ten, top fifteen? 84 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 4: To me? 85 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,479 Speaker 2: I mean, he already technically was like one of the 86 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,800 fifteen most valuable players according to All NBA vote voting. 87 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,199 But to have that guy, like, to have someone I'll 88 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:52,280 wrap it up here, to have someone this young who 89 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,159 hasn't hit his prime yet, just to be on thirteen 90 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,199 All NBA is your second option. So like it's not 91 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,360 even a Cade situation in Detroit. And don't get me wrong, 92 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:01,680 Kid's fantastic. That's kind of insane. 93 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 4: It is it is? And I also think that for 94 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,919 now at least we do have the answers to that question. 95 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:10,800 You know, there was a lot of discussion about who 96 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,840 is going to be the secondary to Shay. 97 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: Is it going to be Jadab? Is it going to 98 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:15,719 be chet Like? 99 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 4: Would it be like the point and the center combination 100 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:23,519 with Jada being more of like a connector. No, I 101 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,040 think he's answered that question pretty thoroughly. Like he wants 102 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,600 more than just to be a connector. He wants more 103 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:31,879 than that. He wants to be a scorer as well. 104 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,759 He wants to be able to dictate, dictate terms. He 105 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,959 wants to be a guy who can get things done. 106 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,879 Like I do think over the course of regular seasons 107 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,240 coming in the future, he will have periods where he's 108 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,920 fully content being a connector someone who gets into the 109 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,519 background a little bit more. But when push comes to shove, 110 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,560 he's showing us he can actually assert himself and apply 111 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:58,439 himself in a way that we don't necessarily see all 112 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,480 the time over the course of the regular receipt So 113 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:03,920 for him to become a playoff performer, and I am 114 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,319 fully well aware, rather that he had struggles earlier in 115 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,759 these playoffs I'm well aware, but this is the biggest stage, 116 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:17,319 and he's responding big time. The Thunder have to be immensely, 117 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,079 immensely satisfied with what they're seeing from him right now. 118 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:22,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's sort of just because I think we've 119 00:05:22,879 --> 00:05:26,680 seen it in this series where sometimes I find myself thinking, man, 120 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,560 if they could just have a higher volume outside shooter 121 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,199 that could crack their playoff rotation. It feels like that's 122 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,920 what their offense is missing a lot of the time. 123 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:37,439 But then you have these stretches from Jayalen Williams where no, 124 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,040 he's not necessarily satisfying a HIG volume three point criteria, 125 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,279 but you look at the way you look at the 126 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,560 way that him and Shay create their shots, the types 127 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,319 of shots that they're hitting, and you're like, no, you 128 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:48,120 know what, I get it, Like, sometimes the offense will 129 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,279 be a slog, but to have both of these guys, 130 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,480 these frum scratch options who in Jay Dubb's case, can 131 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:56,600 very specifically work without the ball. And then even we saw, 132 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,319 you know, at the end of Game four when you 133 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:03,040 saw them in the screening actions together, and I found 134 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,839 myself thinking, like, I don't know that I saw that 135 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,199 a ton this year and I was like, oh, you 136 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,199 must not have been playing close enough attention. And then 137 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:11,439 the stat comes out I think was per John Schumann 138 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,759 of NBA dot Com, where it's they set nine ball 139 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,240 screens for one another, which is like and their previous 140 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,839 high might have been like two or something, or it 141 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,720 hadn't been done in this it was. It was freaking 142 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,000 nuts and so like to even do that, and that's 143 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,920 the you know, that's part of the reason why there 144 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:26,920 used to be and I say used to because if 145 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,439 it's still happening, I haven't seen it. It's interesting because 146 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,800 there used to be that debate of oh, is Chet 147 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:36,199 or J Dub the thunder second most important player, And 148 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,199 it's just like that discussion, Not that it feels laughable now, 149 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,319 but it's just very clearly JDub when you're looking at 150 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,720 all the positional holes that he can fill defensively, to 151 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,040 where he received a lot of credit for the way 152 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,720 that he played center for so much of that early 153 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:51,360 portion of the regular season essentially, but then just like 154 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:52,959 I wouldn't go as far as to call him a 155 00:06:52,959 --> 00:06:55,759 five position defender, but he is also basically that, which 156 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:56,319 is absurd. 157 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,879 Speaker 4: And look, even if he isn't a five position to 158 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,000 you can legitimately ask yourself, is he two? 159 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 3: Is he a three? Is her four? 160 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 4: And the answer would be a resounding yes, like to 161 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:12,720 all of it, like you can you can slot him in. 162 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,879 And I think that also this isn't on court related, 163 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,399 but that gives you roster flexibility moving forward. Like do 164 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,879 you suddenly get a chance to get a superbly talented, 165 00:07:22,959 --> 00:07:24,839 like clear cut two guard in there? 166 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,639 Speaker 3: All right, says Jaylen Williams, I'll just move to the three. 167 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 4: All of a sudden, you might find a three man, 168 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,600 all right, Jallel Williams will say, and he'll move to 169 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:36,360 the four. Like you can just kind of move him 170 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:39,240 around what you need. You can even play him at 171 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:43,639 the point on occasion, I would argue. So the positional flexibility, 172 00:07:44,319 --> 00:07:47,279 as we know, is just so vital in today's league, 173 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,279 and he fills up all that. It's it does feel 174 00:07:51,279 --> 00:07:53,319 like I'm getting way ahead of myself here, But I 175 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,600 do think the Thunder art going to win the finals. 176 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:59,480 And I think because of his presence alone with Shay, 177 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:01,959 because of and the depth and all that, I think 178 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,519 this is the team that could really break this stretch 179 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:10,160 of non repeaters because imagine Jalen Williams a year from now, 180 00:08:10,839 --> 00:08:14,079 He's gonna be even better. He's gonna have the confidence 181 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,800 of having won a title. He's gonna have the confidence 182 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:19,519 of knowing, oh, I just made All NBA, maybe for 183 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,920 the second time in twelve months. Maybe maybe you'll make 184 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,120 it one more time at that point. So we're looking 185 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,079 at a guy who is literally just scratching the surface 186 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:33,480 of his potential, which is haunting when you consider just 187 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,120 the stranglehold that this team could have on the league 188 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:36,600 next year. 189 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: And I think there, you know, his final form is 190 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,759 kind of the thunders final form to where it's how 191 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:47,200 much better can you feel about the offense when he 192 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:50,159 is running things during those minutes that Sga is on 193 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,559 the bench. And I think in previous years he caught 194 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,480 and just like the Thunder in general, caught a lot 195 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,360 of flak for how dependent they were on Shay and 196 00:08:57,399 --> 00:09:00,639 you can see them regress to that sometimes. I'm still 197 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,960 but like during the regular season, when he was able 198 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,639 to have a Hartenstein or a Hume Grin on the 199 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,159 floor with him, the thunderwere by and large able to 200 00:09:08,159 --> 00:09:11,440 make it work. And during the entire playoffs, mort they 201 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,039 have a one to sixteen point six offensive rating when 202 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:19,120 Jay Dubb plays without Shay. That's not like upper echelon elite, 203 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,440 but it's in the seventy first percentile. And it's like, 204 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,240 if that's what you're doing, like that is kind of 205 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,159 the And it's stupid to say that's the final form 206 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,240 because Shays always going to be on the floor when 207 00:09:27,279 --> 00:09:29,879 it matters most. But it's also like you want to 208 00:09:29,919 --> 00:09:31,960 be well rested during the regular season and have a 209 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,200 bunch of like margins of victory that are steep enough 210 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,720 so that you can keep your guys from playing too 211 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,799 many minutes. Those stints without Shay are a huge part 212 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:41,840 of that, and the fact that you're able to and 213 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:43,720 now you can go through and say, okay, like some 214 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:45,799 of the like the Grizzly series was a little bit 215 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,000 of a farce there, I totally get it, But like, 216 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,159 I think we've just seen improvement, if not year over years, 217 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,279 certainly on incremental levels throughout the course of this season 218 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:59,240 that you can feel good up with Jaylen Williams as 219 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,799 a league create or against bench units if it was 220 00:10:01,799 --> 00:10:04,639 ever Shay's in foul trouble and we need Jay or 221 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:06,480 Shay's injured a knock on something. 222 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:07,639 Speaker 1: We don't ever want that to happen. 223 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:11,799 Speaker 2: That's something where I think that he might still be limited, 224 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:15,039 like in that specific area. And that amounts to me saying, oh, 225 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,080 he's not the second best player in the NBA. 226 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: Who who could have thunk it? So like, and that's like, 227 00:10:20,759 --> 00:10:21,559 I'm not gonna rule. 228 00:10:21,879 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's gonna become the second best player 229 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:24,399 in the NBA, but we just can't. 230 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: You mentioned it. 231 00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: He's still young, He's going to get better, and so 232 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,120 I just feel like these are the moments the games, 233 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:34,399 like when you have Shay and Jay dubbing, Like, by 234 00:10:34,399 --> 00:10:36,559 the way, we're talking about j dub and Shaye, what 235 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,440 do you have thirty one in game five? So just 236 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:43,200 another spectacular night from him. But those are the games 237 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:45,679 where you just see it's okay, we have to appreciate 238 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,240 what's happening now. And it's not like we couldn't see 239 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,480 the vision moving forward, but you just get a sense of, 240 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,679 oh damn, like this is how unstoppable the thunder can feel. 241 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,279 Speaker 4: And you know what's even crazier there is even though 242 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:02,159 he made all him this year, I felt as though 243 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,279 he had a bit of a down year at least 244 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:09,240 like shooting the ball, like the offensive efficiency wasn't there. 245 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:11,919 He missed a lot of bunnies throughout the course of 246 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:14,000 the year where he was just putting on the jets 247 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:17,279 a little too much and like a layup would just flow. 248 00:11:17,039 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 3: Off the back of the rim. 249 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 4: Like I think we can even bake that in a 250 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,080 little bit that he won't necessarily be as I don't 251 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,360 want to call him outright inefficient, because I don't think 252 00:11:27,399 --> 00:11:29,200 he was, but like I do think it's fair to 253 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,600 say he would be significantly more efficient return to norm 254 00:11:32,759 --> 00:11:35,759 per se even next year. And if we're looking at 255 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:39,360 a guy who's suddenly averaging twenty four twenty five, you know, 256 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:41,960 those arbitrary numbers, I get it, But like at that 257 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,720 Etchelong doing it with high efficiency scoring, still being a 258 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,559 secondary playmaker, still being an elite defender, still being a 259 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:53,600 strong ass rebounder, still being a three to four positional player. 260 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:59,679 I mean, you couldn't tailor a secondary guy better than that. 261 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:00,759 Speaker 3: You just couldn't. 262 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: No, And I looked it up because I was just 263 00:12:03,799 --> 00:12:06,679 curious as to what the Thunder's offensive rating was when Jay. 264 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: Dub played without Shay in this series. 265 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 2: It's one, ten, one, ten point one, which is not 266 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,399 exceptionally high, but their net rating in those that samples 267 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,360 fourteen point five. And so it's like that's where you 268 00:12:17,399 --> 00:12:19,559 come back to the defense to where even if though 269 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,399 even if those so I agree with you on the 270 00:12:21,399 --> 00:12:24,840 shooting stuff specifically, and I'm just maybe I'm starting to 271 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:27,960 feel this way about too many star players, but specifically 272 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,639 the Thunder. It's like, oh, if Shay took more threes, 273 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:32,120 and it's oh, if Jay dub might have taken a 274 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,600 little bit more, No, if Chet takes more. But like 275 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,639 if he's imperfect on offense and no players perfect, maybe 276 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:40,720 I guess maybe Nicol Jokic on the offensive end, it's 277 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,559 pretty hard to quibble with him, right, right, But like 278 00:12:44,279 --> 00:12:49,440 if you're just conceding certain functionalities on offense because oh, 279 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,519 this is someone who might just be in any given 280 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,720 season one of the ten or fifteen most valuable defenders, 281 00:12:55,039 --> 00:12:56,120 then you're just going. 282 00:12:55,919 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: To be fine. 283 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: And so like this Thunder model is chaotic. Their turnovers 284 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,200 forced two points off turnovers in game four, uh, game five, 285 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,279 excuse me, is insane, and you have that and then 286 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,240 it's just oh, yeah, like we just have like two 287 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,200 you know, all NBA caliber offensive players on our team 288 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,080 as well, stupid stuff. 289 00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: I will say this about Shay though, you know, I 290 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,840 do think he was necessary for him to get the 291 00:13:19,879 --> 00:13:22,759 three this year, and to his credit, like he more 292 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:25,440 than doubled his rate from two years ago. So I 293 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,360 do think having that step back three point capability of 294 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,240 him just being a constant threat that gave more space 295 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,960 to his teammates. So like, I wouldn't hate if JDA 296 00:13:36,039 --> 00:13:38,240 began shooting more threes next year, but it has to 297 00:13:38,279 --> 00:13:41,000 come within, you know, the flow of the game. I 298 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:42,879 agree with you that it shouldn't be one of those 299 00:13:42,919 --> 00:13:45,120 things where you sacrifice the betterment of the team and 300 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:46,320 the better shots and whatnot. 301 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: Like and the other thing there too is sorry, is 302 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,559 just like, what are the shots that defenses will concede 303 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,440 more in the playoffs? It's the ones that Shay and 304 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,200 j dubb are making. And also concede is like a 305 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,360 really strong word because you look at some of the 306 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,240 shots that Shay and j Dub have needed to hit 307 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:04,960 from mid range during this series, and they started out 308 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,879 ice cold from there. So looking at Game and five specifically, 309 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,120 there's nothing like the Pacers aren't necessarily conceding anything like 310 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:14,720 some of those are just so heavily contested, and so 311 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:17,320 there's value in Yeah, I don't want him getting out 312 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,840 there and shooting ten threes a game like he's Steph. 313 00:14:19,879 --> 00:14:22,240 That's that's That's not what I was saying by any stretch. 314 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,799 Speaker 4: Now, Chet, on the other hand, taking ten to threes 315 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,399 per game, if he can just get the accuracy back to, 316 00:14:29,879 --> 00:14:31,519 you know, not playoff level. 317 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,759 Speaker 3: Right now, he's hitting like fourteen percent or something. It's 318 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:34,320 a greaches. 319 00:14:34,759 --> 00:14:37,639 Speaker 4: But I do think he has down the line the 320 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:40,120 potential to be more high volume, and that would be 321 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,960 interesting if Check could be kind of like the floor spacer, 322 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:45,480 just opening up for those two, take a big man 323 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:49,720 out of the paint, him being like a constant shooting threat, 324 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,360 making sure he clears the court for those two. 325 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:53,639 Speaker 3: Good luck. 326 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also the thunder just we're talking about that. 327 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,360 And meanwhile, Home Grin, Williams and shay Or should like 328 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:03,919 a combined thirty from three. Basically they're all under thirty 329 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:08,039 two percent for the finals. I mean, so absolutely wild 330 00:15:08,039 --> 00:15:08,600 stuff here. 331 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 4: Not lou Dort has saved their asses, though I will 332 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,519 say this, the moon Baugh. 333 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,639 Speaker 2: The lou Dort moon ball, sometimes I just wonder when 334 00:15:17,639 --> 00:15:19,440 he gets it. Sometimes I'm like afraid it's not going 335 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:20,279 to come down. 336 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 4: Right, No, it's and and the thing that just impresses 337 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,320 the hell out of me is, you know how NBA players, 338 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,159 because they're professional, you know that what is considered an 339 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,759 open shot to them is not considered an open shot 340 00:15:34,799 --> 00:15:37,399 for the rest of us, but for him specifically, because 341 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:41,399 he's only six' three and he has guys much taller 342 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,200 than him closing out on. Him so he just has 343 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,039 to launch that thing in such an odd ankle and 344 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,240 it just it clears like some of these doesn't even 345 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:54,240 hit the. Rim it's just. It Lou dort is another 346 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:58,279 reminder of how perversely good professional basketball players. 347 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: Are, yes SPOILERER nba players are. 348 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,279 Speaker 3: GOOD i, KNOW i. 349 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,679 Speaker 2: Know we need to talk about The Tyres haliburton, injury 350 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,799 right capstrain that as we're recording, this we've yet to 351 00:16:09,879 --> 00:16:12,840 hear the results of AN, mri which will determine whether 352 00:16:12,879 --> 00:16:16,159 he's going to play In game six and then what 353 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,399 that means For game, seven if he can't play or 354 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:19,080 if he's going to be. 355 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,639 Speaker 1: Hobbled that's kind of a. 356 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: Bummer and you could see it because like If Tyre's 357 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,000 haliburn isn't getting into the paint or isn't being, aggressive 358 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,000 like even just as someone like trying to penetrate the. Defense, 359 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,639 right The pacers are such a different team and it's 360 00:16:32,679 --> 00:16:36,519 they got some spirit magic FROM tj. McConnell you probably 361 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,559 some people wanted By Rick carlott and go back to 362 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:41,799 him earlier towards the end Of game. Five but and 363 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,960 the way That siakam's been, playing and even like What 364 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,320 Obi toppin has. Done the dude can't, rebound but like 365 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,000 he's just been a Huge he's been a huge. Jolt 366 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,159 he's been more valuable To indiana Than Miles turner this. 367 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,879 Series so The pacers are deep and they always have, 368 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,000 counters and you have to commend them for making like didn't. 369 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,399 Speaker 1: It Feel it's probably felt sway a couple times in the. 370 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: Series it felt Like game five was gonna come off 371 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,160 the rails at one, point yeah or not at one, 372 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,559 point at many points and it eventually you know the final, score, like, 373 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:11,960 okay it is what it, is but they made it 374 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,880 closer than that to where the game felt like it 375 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,240 was in real doubt late in the fourth later in 376 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:19,799 the fourth, QUARTER i should, say have they cleaned up 377 00:17:19,799 --> 00:17:23,400 some of the turnovers which were you, know those felt 378 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,480 like a lot of unforced errors on their, Part but 379 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,160 you leave all that, aside cast it. Off If Tyres 380 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,480 haliburton Isn't Tyres, halliburton AND i don't like it could 381 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:36,279 be The Tyres haliburton that's taking seventeen, shots twenty, shots thirteen. 382 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: SHOTS i don't. 383 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 2: Care the way he moves on and off the ball 384 00:17:40,279 --> 00:17:43,880 and sets the pace for The pacers defense Against Oklahoma 385 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,960 city's best, lineups that's just kind of a bummer to see, if, 386 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:49,279 like if the finals go out with him being being. 387 00:17:49,279 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 4: Hobbled oh, yes, Yes, look this is always the concern 388 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:56,319 in the finals every single year that if one of 389 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,400 the teams missed their star, players like he goes, down 390 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:03,880 the entertainment factor goes, down the intrigue gangle goes, down 391 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,880 like everything just becomes a little bit because you want 392 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,000 to see these guys at their. 393 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 3: Best and it's such a bummer for. 394 00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 4: Him because, look he just he brought this city to 395 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:14,480 the finals for the first time in what twenty five, 396 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:18,920 years and then to go down like this and presumably 397 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,319 they're gonna lose this. Series because if he's Not Tyre's, 398 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,599 halbert as you, said good luck like trying to come 399 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,079 back from this and even up the series and even win. 400 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:30,799 Speaker 3: It that's gonna. 401 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 4: BE i, mean would that be the biggest clutch job? 402 00:18:35,319 --> 00:18:37,599 Speaker 3: Ever might? BE i Don't DOES. 403 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,319 Speaker 1: Tj McConnell have fifty points or sixty points in that? 404 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 4: Scenario yeah, RIGHT i mean we're up there and definitely 405 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,200 zero turnovers in that scenario that will be. 406 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 3: Necessary, no but. 407 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,759 Speaker 4: It, sucks, Man it really really. Sucks but at the same, 408 00:18:51,799 --> 00:18:54,839 time you have to, wonder, right do they wish to 409 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,960 go this route of, hey let's throw them out, there 410 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,400 knowing full well he can, uh like the injury can get, 411 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,759 worse and, Like god, forbid knock on what that doesn't 412 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:08,440 happen that the achilles start flaring up or tears it 413 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:10,799 or something along those Slide and it's, like if you're The, 414 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,519 pacers are you thinking long term or are you thinking screw, 415 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:16,720 it let's go for the, now Because i'm probably personally 416 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:17,200 thinking long. 417 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 3: Term. 418 00:19:19,079 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 2: YEAH i it's tough because you're never guaranteed to be back. 419 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,359 Here but WHEN i hear this and with the caveat, 420 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,079 That i'm not a doctor and so you're dealing with. 421 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,119 This it's called a calf, strain right, now does that 422 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,000 turn into something with the achilles would just terrify. Me 423 00:19:35,079 --> 00:19:37,880 and so, Yeah I'm i'm playing the longer game as. 424 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,960 Well and just he's twenty five years. Old there's no 425 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:43,680 guarantee he's back, here but, like you have so much 426 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,680 time and he is regardless of getting back to this exact. 427 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,000 Spot here is your franchise's. Lifeline so you have to play, 428 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,839 IT i would say relatively. Safe but we also know 429 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,839 that he's someone who probably if like he has to 430 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,440 say in, it he's going to want to. Play AND 431 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,480 i think any player would like there's a, yeah you, 432 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:01,960 Know i'm, Good i'm not gonna play In game six 433 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,799 of THE Nba, Finals like no one's gonna want like 434 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,519 say that. Willingly so it's just really a tough. Situation 435 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:11,279 but you also have to, ask like if he's not 436 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,000 if he's not even close to, him like if he 437 00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:15,400 can't move the way we know that he can, move 438 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,920 how like does he do. 439 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:20,279 Speaker 1: Some damage to the, Pacers Then i'm, LIKE i JUST i. 440 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:20,640 DON'T i. 441 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,559 Speaker 2: DON'T i can't wrap my head around the idea of 442 00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:27,279 like A PACER's. Product that would be better Without Tyre's. 443 00:20:27,319 --> 00:20:29,559 Haliburton but, if like if he looks like he did 444 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,599 in game, five, yeah in game, six that creates a 445 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:35,920 ton of challenges for them to work around when he 446 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:36,359 is on the. 447 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: Floor it sucks that it's a lower body. 448 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,559 Speaker 4: Inturgue like let's say he had you, know a bad 449 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,480 wrist or an aching elbow or whatever the hell, is 450 00:20:47,519 --> 00:20:50,640 just you, know something that's upper body. Related, yeah you 451 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,079 throw his ass out there and you, say, look just 452 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:53,559 do what you. 453 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 3: Can it's. 454 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,559 Speaker 4: Fine the fact that its lower body just has all 455 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:03,279 my alarm bells like, ringing and it'd be, look it'd 456 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:06,160 be admirable if he went out. There i'm not gonna say. 457 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,759 Otherwise of COURSE i want to See Tyres haelibert and 458 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:13,039 on the. Floor BUT i, mean if if we learned 459 00:21:13,079 --> 00:21:15,440 that he's not going to play in game, Six i'm 460 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,920 not going to criticize. Him i'm not going to criticize The. 461 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,720 Pacers i'm not going to criticize anyone because that is 462 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,759 probably the right way to. 463 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 2: Go, yeah and it's who's gonna fault him for not? 464 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:31,519 Playing like THE if, fans that's a lot of dumb. 465 00:21:31,519 --> 00:21:34,559 Fans that's incredible to me because if you're at this, 466 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,440 point especially when you've already watched him do the things 467 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,640 that he's done for there for like him not to, 468 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,920 PLAY i would almost be alarmed because Then i'm, like, well, 469 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,559 fuck how serious is this actual? 470 00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:47,839 Speaker 3: Injury? Right? Yep? 471 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 4: Oh And i've never never underrestedmate like the the casual 472 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,799 fan who will use any situation to get off some hot. 473 00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:59,839 Stakes so like but, Us sikast will, Know we'll know 474 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,880 that this is outside of his, control that this was 475 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,640 just bad. Luck it, sucks, though and it sucks for. 476 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,119 Him you could tell in the postgame press or as. 477 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,359 Well you, know he was trying to play it, cool 478 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,759 but you can you can sense this bothers him a, 479 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:16,480 ton and why wouldn't? It of course it. Does so 480 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,640 now this just. Sucks it's a bad. SITUATION i. HATED 481 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:22,119 i hated for. HIM i hated for The pacers because 482 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:25,079 you know they had this sort of you, know team 483 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,319 of destiny vibe over. THEM i want to, SAY i 484 00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:31,720 think that's fair to. Say and now suddenly to have you, 485 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,839 know basically the head of the snake not being alive and, well. 486 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,799 Speaker 3: It does take the air out of this series for. 487 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,599 Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah and it's just like it sucks because it's 488 00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:47,680 been such an enthralling series BECAUSE i was one of 489 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,119 the people that had thunder and Five and it's just The, 490 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,559 Pacers like when you look at how these games are, 491 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,720 unfolded The pacers could be the team that's up three to. 492 00:22:56,759 --> 00:22:59,759 Two they in, theory could have won this, series all, 493 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:02,839 Right so it's like to see it go out like. 494 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,680 That but also WHAT i will say about The pacers 495 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:06,839 And Rick carlisle and just the. 496 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: Things that he's willing to, try and the buttons he's 497 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:08,720 willing to. 498 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 2: Push If Tyre's aliburton can't, player we just he's gonna 499 00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:14,519 he's gonna try and gut it out is the phrasing 500 00:23:14,519 --> 00:23:16,720 that they might. Use and he, said you know this 501 00:23:16,759 --> 00:23:18,720 is him after the game and It's tyre's, Haliburt and 502 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,880 he said he's going to play in game. 503 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,559 Speaker 1: Six he's waiting for this his whole, LIFE i, believe 504 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:21,920 is what he. 505 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,079 Speaker 2: Said but if you know he's super, HOBBLED i wouldn't rule, 506 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,359 out just Like i'd be shocked if The pacers won this, 507 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,640 series BUT i wouldn't rull. Out, okay you're In indie 508 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,240 the crew we. Have, look all home courts are just generally, 509 00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:37,480 awesome but, Like, okay See. Indiana it's like it would 510 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,079 have been the same if it was Okayc New, york 511 00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:41,279 Because Madison Square garden is you, Know i'm not trying 512 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:43,680 to Offend knicks fans, here but it's been so cool 513 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,920 to just hear like they're just like IF i was 514 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,240 covering the game in the, BUILDING i would need ear 515 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,599 plugs probably to focus because they're just like earth shatteringly, 516 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:55,119 loud but like they'll be an indie, like you, know 517 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:57,000 you might just get like a special you, Know Obi 518 00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:59,680 toppen didn't have a great offensive game and game like 519 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,960 maybe he pops Off Myles turners been kind of. QUIET 520 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:04,240 i didn't mean to disparage him by Saying obi top 521 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:06,160 has been more, valuable but he's provided more of an 522 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,720 offensive jolt for sure when you're looking at like certain those. 523 00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:12,480 Lineups him next To siakam has been interesting to see. Against, okay, 524 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,519 SAY i wouldn't rule it, out but it would be 525 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,680 LIKE i don't, know like If halliburton is not, playing 526 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:20,440 or let's say that they even, say, oh it's like 527 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:20,839 fifty to. 528 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: Fifty he's a game time. 529 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,799 Speaker 2: Decision how much are The thunder favored by in that, 530 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,759 game like thirteen and a half points or is that 531 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,240 like to it Because indy's, home somebody's like nine and 532 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:29,680 a half or. 533 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 4: Something i'm not a betting expert, whatsoever but it has 534 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:38,960 to be in those in that, frame. 535 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 2: Right it's tough because it's the it's the, road but, 536 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,400 yeah it's it feels like that's How but that's how 537 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,200 important he is to this. 538 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,599 Speaker 1: Team they're, deep they're. 539 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,519 Speaker 2: Versatile siakam is, Great Tyre's haliburton is the engine that 540 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,200 just sort of powers everything even when he's not. Scoring 541 00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:59,640 AND i had actually searched to just see what the 542 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,079 converce because you were saying that people AND I I'M i. 543 00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: Shouldn't i'm not. SURPRISED i should have just. 544 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: Known the discourse on, Him, yeah devolved into just like 545 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:09,839 AND i guess there was something said during one of 546 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,079 THE espn shows about like during. 547 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,519 Speaker 1: The either halftime or post. 548 00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 2: GAME i don't know how you watched that game and think, that, 549 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,920 oh he wasn't being aggressive, enough rather than, oh like 550 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:24,200 something's not. Right it's not an excuse you need like 551 00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:27,160 you need to everyone gets lucky to win a, title 552 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,599 and it's just, like So i'm not trying to make 553 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:31,119 excuses for, me BUT i don't know how you watch 554 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,319 what happened or how he. 555 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: Played to make an ex this is a perfect, No 556 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:35,599 i'm saying. 557 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,759 Speaker 2: An excuse in the sense that let's put an. Asterisk 558 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,039 city thunder is more so What i'm talking. ABOUT i 559 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,440 just don't know how you watch the way like he, 560 00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:47,000 was like you could even see it when he was 561 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,799 sitting on the, bench and then like they panned to 562 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:50,319 him at one point UNTIL. 563 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: I, GOD i HATE i hate, people. 564 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: Not none of the people who are listening to. THIS 565 00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:56,920 i love all of, you, probably but, LIKE i just 566 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,920 don't why is? That why is that either the con 567 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:02,880 tentp model or like our first thing is to just 568 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,640 glom onto this player and think that they're, soft weak 569 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,359 or that they're not a star because they're. 570 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: Injured oh my, god, dude. 571 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 4: This is just the, beginning because the off season is 572 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,960 about to, start right and look the POOR nba guy 573 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:20,000 who will put up something On instagram where he's getting 574 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,319 a smoothie or when he's sitting down with his family 575 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,400 and he'll get like one and fifty, responses. 576 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 3: Why are you do in the. 577 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: Gym why aren't you getting? 578 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 3: Better you're not serious about your, game like you know 579 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:35,880 that's gonna. Happen that's the that's the. Model it's all very. 580 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,319 Speaker 2: PREDICTIVE i would like to move. That you record an 581 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,000 entire podcast in that. Voice that's why he's like a 582 00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:44,319 nineteenth Like Bear bryant football. 583 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: Coach voice, Guy like what it sounds like. 584 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,559 Speaker 2: It's you're right, Too and you know, What i'll even 585 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,359 say that probably about myself, too LIKE. Nba fancy to 586 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,359 get off social, media and once we hit like the 587 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,240 middle Of, august we gotta take a break because the 588 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:01,799 discourse gets so bad every single. Time but, YEAH i 589 00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:04,039 hope he plays AND i hope for some reason he looks. 590 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:08,079 Speaker 1: Fantastic but this just sucks because it kind of feels 591 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,920 like you could have argued. 592 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 2: That oh it feels like if The thunder would have 593 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,920 won and Tires alburn was, healthy they're up three to, 594 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,119 two they're The, Thunder they've had a great. 595 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,319 Speaker 1: Season the feeling might be that it's. 596 00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: Over but If Tyres haliburn Isn't Tyres, haliburton you're you're 597 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,960 gonna feel like it's over. Anyway, oh you're Fucked, yeah 598 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,279 so looking ahead specifically two game, six what are what 599 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:28,200 are you looking for or watching? 600 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,039 Speaker 4: For, yeah so in game, FIVE i thought The thunder 601 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,359 came out with a sense of urgency that we didn't 602 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,960 see In indiana over at games three and. Four you, 603 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,440 KNOW i think they played a little bit passive in 604 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,519 those two, games and here in game, five it felt 605 00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,599 like everything they, did every action they, initiated was just 606 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,440 sort of sped, Up, Like, okay WHEN i listen to, 607 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,559 PODCASTS i never listened to like one point zero. Speed 608 00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:57,920 i'm always at like two point five or. Something that 609 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,920 felt like that was what The thunder did in game. 610 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,839 Five they were, Like, okay everything we need to, do 611 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,519 we still need to do it in the same manner 612 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:08,599 that we do. It we have to have the same 613 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,960 sense of caution and carefulness and. Whatever we just have 614 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:16,119 to do it, Quicker like our execution levels have to be, 615 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,200 quicker they have to be more, Determined like we have 616 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:20,319 to just get from POINT a to POINT b in 617 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,240 much faster fashion THAT i want to see in game, 618 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,559 six because if they come out and are just overwhelming 619 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:33,960 you with, speed with, athleticism with shot, making that is 620 00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:36,759 the best possible start you can get to WHAT i 621 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:40,279 would call a championship. Game that is like you lay the, 622 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:44,000 foundation you show your opponent. Immediately we're out for business 623 00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:48,559 and we are locked, in we are. Intuned we are 624 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,880 absolutely the kings of this, court unless you can prove. 625 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,319 Speaker 2: Otherwise the pacing's a big thing with, them which is 626 00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:58,559 also just sort of like if you don't Have Tyre's, 627 00:28:58,599 --> 00:28:59,960 halbert and that probably gets a little you have to, 628 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,519 McConnell WHICH i think is sort of a godsend in that. 629 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:08,279 Respect but almost fourteen percent Of indie shots in that 630 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,039 game five came inside four seconds of the shot. Clock, 631 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,759 previously like for the, series The thunder have done like 632 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,759 they've done a good job of Making indie kind of 633 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:19,599 go through the motions of their. Offense but it's LIKE 634 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,920 i would argue that share is not going to be that. 635 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:25,359 High it's like Forcing indiana to have to explore more 636 00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:27,480 of its. Offense like when you're looking at even not 637 00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:29,839 just inside four, seconds but inside seven seconds of the shock. 638 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,480 Clock it did feel like a lot of the time 639 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,559 that The pacers were just kind of forced into this 640 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,920 slog and some of some of it sure was probably self, 641 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,480 inflicted but you saw like it was a material change WHEN. 642 00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:42,960 Tj McConnell was just having that stretch where it felt, like, 643 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,279 oh The pacers might really come back. 644 00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: And win this thing. 645 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,559 Speaker 2: Again like there was they were playing with that sense 646 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:52,200 of urgency and finding ways to not BE i don't 647 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:54,799 like slowed down by The thunder, Right like it wasn't 648 00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,559 even just letting The thunder get, set because The thunder 649 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,359 kind of like they're set, before like if they're gonna 650 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:01,240 full corep, press they're just. 651 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: Set like it's just they. 652 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: They operate in the chaos in the bedlam, anyway so 653 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,319 they're just gonna be. Set there's no such thing as 654 00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:09,519 like an unset defense with okay, see but The indie 655 00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:12,200 was definitely playing with more like pace and urgency at 656 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,039 its peak stretch during that, game AND i think, that, 657 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:16,480 yeah it's important that they would come out like. That, 658 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,920 yeah the other, thing and it's been a PROBLEM i 659 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,599 think for LIKE i think you look back at this 660 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,839 series and probably, say, oh for two games it's really 661 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,960 been a. PROBLEM i think it Was game one and 662 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,839 Then game five the unforced errors just like on their 663 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,880 part where you're looking at the turnovers and, NO i 664 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,920 don't Think, okay he's gonna, have you, know thirty two 665 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,519 points off turnovers, again but when you're looking at some 666 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:39,400 of the passes they're, throwing you just gotta be a 667 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,519 little bit. More and also like the thunder excuse, me 668 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,240 The pacers just had some really bad imbounding passes too as, 669 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:49,000 well which felt uncharacteristic for. Them you have to be more, 670 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,599 mindful like you, know the defense that you're playing, right 671 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,079 and so just like these lofty passes like on these 672 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,079 kickouts or like kind of shoddy entry, passes like there's 673 00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:01,000 just no room for that ainst okay, see and those 674 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:04,559 are things that you can control Whether Tyres haliburton is, healthy, 675 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:09,759 hobbled they're not. Playing, yeah plus twenty nine turnovers of 676 00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:14,400 the series for The pacers eighty nine to, sixty which 677 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,880 is just like It's, indy so like you don't expect 678 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,359 it to be that stark and in a, WELL i 679 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,960 don't remember the game one differential, specifically but they DOUBLED 680 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,359 i know THAT okac doubled them up in terms of force. 681 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,160 TURNOVERS okac had eleven And india had twenty two In game, 682 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,000 Five like that's a you, know AND i, think, honestly 683 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,440 when you've kind of been watching these teams. Too this 684 00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:38,440 hasn't been like if we. WOULD i don't remember what 685 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,079 we said at the start of the series because that's 686 00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:43,079 how my brain. Works they live in. Transition it feels 687 00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:44,440 like so much of the time and for so much 688 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,359 of this, series it felt like the transition well hasn't 689 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,599 been there for either, team even when they're playing in 690 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,319 transition where it's just hyper, inefficient and Like indy struggled 691 00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,559 with that specifically In game five IS i think they 692 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,480 only had their their transition frequency was for them very, 693 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:05,039 low and then they just weren't particularly efficient in. 694 00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:07,799 Speaker 1: There they like what did they end up? 695 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 2: With they're rating in, UH i don't like sixty six 696 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,759 point seven off of live rebounds was their transition rating 697 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,680 in game. Five that's Like i've like not IN ds 698 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,799 and then they're all transition plays per one hundred. Plays 699 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:24,160 they averaged eighty points per one hundred plays in, transition. 700 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: So the sample was, LIKE i guess. 701 00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: SMALL i THINK i saw somewhere that they only had 702 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,839 twenty five like or was it was? Huge it was 703 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,559 something like just absurdly. Low so you have to factor 704 00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:36,119 that in, Too but like those that's your best chance 705 00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:38,599 probably especially If Tyre's haliburton is. Hurt it's just like 706 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,599 kind of catching the. THUNDER i, KNOW i just said 707 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:43,440 there's no such thing as an Unset Oklahoma city, defense 708 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,079 but like you kind of need to catch them on 709 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:48,319 their toes. There and okayse was just so for most 710 00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:51,000 Of game, five was just so locked in in that. Respect, 711 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,000 yea do you have anything else that you're looking? For 712 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,559 any players that we should be keeping? EYE i, mean 713 00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:59,079 McConnell thing is, interesting especially If Tyre's haliburton is going to. 714 00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 4: Better, yes a guy who should play. Less if memory serves, right. 715 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,599 Speaker 2: You wanted them to Put Tyre's haliburton on the. Block 716 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,440 SO i make no. Apologies high, posts, sir you said low, 717 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,480 block let's throw it back all the way. 718 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 4: Down, well you know, what less a greech is not 719 00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:22,960 wanting to play. Mcconin McConnell, more he's been. Phenomenal, Yes, 720 00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:27,160 LOOK i DON'T i want to talk about a player not, McConnell, Though. 721 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,720 Chet If chet is off to like a great start 722 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:35,119 in game, six and we can kind of bake in 723 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,799 the fact That cha's gonna have you, know the twenty 724 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,880 seven forty two, points and we also know That jadub 725 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,920 has played just a great brain of basketball these past 726 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,640 couple of. Games that's probably the best way for The 727 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,200 thunder to also offensively assert themselves and just to put 728 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,359 the decker in the back of These, pacers Right, like 729 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,160 if check comes out with a quick, twelve you're, like 730 00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:03,559 you're probably as The, pacers you're probably going, fuck, like 731 00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,440 what are we gonna do? Here because those are shots 732 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,320 that doesn't have to go through the hands Of set Or, 733 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,400 jalen meaning they're probably gonna stay a little bit more, 734 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,840 uh you, know less fatigued is the. Word i'm looking 735 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,400 for a little bit more, fresh and then when it's 736 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,239 time for those guys to establish, themselves they can so a, quick, 737 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:29,119 aggressive efficient first quarter For. Chets i'm looking for that. 738 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: The player That i'm gonna be kind of. 739 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,679 Speaker 2: Watching it feels Like Andrew nemhard has hurt The pacers 740 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,440 over the past couple of, games some of his decision 741 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,199 making like contributing to the turnovers and Then Oklahoma city 742 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,960 just going after him. Defensively his role is super hard 743 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,559 and he's had some like higher foul games in this. 744 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:53,119 Series but that's someone where it's he hasn't provided a 745 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:57,239 ton of volume for you, offensively like he's taken the 746 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,480 past he took eleven shots in game, one in game, 747 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,679 two five in game, three and then nine to eight 748 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,960 over eachion the last. Two AND i know he's never 749 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,679 been like the most highest volume. Player he's what do 750 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,239 he averaged eight shots on the, Season but it doesn't 751 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,719 feel like he's as involved in the offense than when 752 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,519 he is. INVOLVED i would argue it feels like he's 753 00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:18,280 two involved to where he has six turnovers a six 754 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,800 assists against or? 755 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: No is? It? 756 00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 2: Yeah six assists against eight turnovers over the past two. 757 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,679 Games if you if you expand that to three the 758 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:32,400 past three, games excuse, me he has No i'm, sorry 759 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,280 that's six assists versus eleven turnovers over the past three. 760 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,280 Games that's just like detrimental levels of. Sloppy and then 761 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,599 you're seeing the it's just so weird because we saw 762 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,840 this with The knicks last year a. LOT i guess 763 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,400 it's just because of his size and like where you're 764 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,000 looking at his maybe a center of, gravity like teams 765 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,000 like that's the one they want to go. After it 766 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,800 feels like more Than Andrew, nemhart more than Aaron Ne. 767 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,639 Smith So it's LIKE I i'm watching him because not 768 00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:03,519 THAT i think that he's necessarily a bell weather for this, 769 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:06,079 team but they're gonna need him to clean up certain. 770 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,159 THINGS i don't know what he can necessarily clean Up, 771 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,199 Defensively i'm not smart enough to tell him how to 772 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,639 you're gonna guard. Shake they'll just Heux hunter for like 773 00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,199 every single minute that he's on the. Floor, BASICALLY i 774 00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:16,480 DON'T i don't know what to tell you to, do 775 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,119 but at least don't like cough up so many possessions 776 00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:21,360 on the offensive. 777 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,159 Speaker 3: End he's missed. 778 00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 4: Twenty three out of forty one, shots he has a 779 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,960 combined thirty turnovers and. Fouls he's playing thirty four, minutes 780 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,480 and he's averaging ten. POINTS i think it's completely fair 781 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,039 to point At andrew Nim hart and say you need 782 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:43,760 to do, more but more of the right, stuff like 783 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,559 don't turn the ball, over don't fall, relentlessly like just 784 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,119 look like you did earlier in the, Playoffs like remember 785 00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:52,280 how you looked in The milwaukee. 786 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,639 Speaker 3: Series go find. 787 00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 4: That but it's also so much easier said than, done, 788 00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:59,880 right like right what six four six' five along, those 789 00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,639 lines and he's got like the jump shot he doesn't 790 00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:05,719 get a great elevation, on it so he has to 791 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,679 be very open to get, it off especially against. This 792 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,599 defense LIKE what i would like for him to do 793 00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:17,599 a little bit more is just get into not like the. 794 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,199 Speaker 3: DEEP paint i think. 795 00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,199 Speaker 1: You're, gonna say get not the deep post and Rack, Up. 796 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 4: NO but i wanted to snake the pig roll a 797 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,519 little bit more and gets to like the foul, line 798 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,559 area because that's a shot he can get off at, 799 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:32,519 all times and THE shot i. Would trust and also 800 00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,800 it's a good place to see how the, defense reacts 801 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,599 like are they going? To COLLAPSE like i don't know 802 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,639 why they would Because It's, andrew nehart but still like if, 803 00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:43,239 THEY do i do trust his playmaking to a point 804 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,559 where he'll swing it into. The corners, so yes more, from, 805 00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:49,559 HIM please i wouldn't hate. 806 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 2: That either i'm willing to forgive kind of the fouls 807 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,320 on the, defensive end just again because Of the shay of, 808 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,159 it all and the FACT that i think he committed 809 00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:00,719 two shooting Fouls on shay in. Game, Five honestly like, 810 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,760 to me, that's like you, know what that's? 811 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: Not bad like two. 812 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 2: Shooting fALS you're gonna spend like fifty possessions. Or Whatever, 813 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,360 REGARDING shay i. Get it, so, yeah offensively it's if 814 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,599 you're not gonna, do more, and look he's gonna have to. 815 00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: Do More If tyreus aliburton, can't player he's gonna be. 816 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,159 Speaker 2: Super hobbled he just seems to struggle against those defenses 817 00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:21,280 where if like if they're tough to screen and he 818 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,360 can't get that, readied separation it just doesn't seem like 819 00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:27,920 he's necessarily suited to. Handle that and, spoiler alert Like 820 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,840 the thunder just they're very difficult. To screen like there's 821 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,800 just they just have players where, You Know nie smith 822 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,320 can be one of these guys For the pacers and 823 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,039 even sometimes. Them hard it's like if they don't want 824 00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:39,519 to be screen they won't. Be SCREENED but i think 825 00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:41,840 you can, point TO like i don't know six or 826 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,760 seven players On the thunder who are built in the. 827 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 4: Same vein how can we accept less than ten shots 828 00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:50,159 per Game From Aaron nee smith in? 829 00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 3: This series by, THE way i Mean It's. 830 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 2: Aaron neice what did he average during the? Regular season 831 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,480 was even at ten shots a game in the? 832 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 4: REGULAR season i mean here in, THE playoffs i Think 833 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,599 he we've seen enough from him to the POINT where 834 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:02,440 i wouldn't mind scaling him out a. Little bit i'm 835 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,159 not talking about seventeen, eighteen SHOTS but i would like 836 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,599 to see him just take more shots, generally speaking like 837 00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:13,039 within the flow of. The offense like it seems like 838 00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:15,760 right now he's sort of limiting him, to sell limiting 839 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,880 himself to when he's basically. WIDE open i think he's at, 840 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,480 this point especially With the. Tyrese injury they're, Best shooter 841 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,000 so it would, behoove HIM and i think we'll Behoove 842 00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,920 the pacers at large if they make a more concerned 843 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,079 effort in getting him shots with. 844 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,079 Speaker 2: The flow it's just that it FEELS like i wouldn't 845 00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,039 be opposed. To that Just so i'm not saying, you're 846 00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:41,440 wrong but that's just not How the pacers. Are Wired 847 00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:43,920 Like pascal siakam leads them in shot attempts per game 848 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,880 in the playoffs at fifteen and so it's just like 849 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,559 they're they live in the chaos on the like it's 850 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,360 controlled chaos for them on the, offensive end and part 851 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,840 of playing within the flow is that those shots get 852 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,079 more evenly distributed a lot of. The time, but yeah 853 00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,400 you're looking at because three pointers might be a way 854 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,920 to make up some of the talent Variant if tyresee 855 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,159 is going to be. Not himself so you, know what 856 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,239 also helped this team move on to, Another player Like 857 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,960 If miles turner hitting above, the break three could probably 858 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,440 go a pretty. 859 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,199 Speaker 1: Long way yeah it'd. 860 00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:15,039 Speaker 4: Be. Nice, Yep yeah miles had had a great start to. 861 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,559 THIS series i think defensively he was able to move 862 00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:20,559 chet around. A lot he still tends to, do so 863 00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:24,599 but his offensive performance in these finals is specially over 864 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:24,960 the past. 865 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 3: Few games, oh boy. Oh boy. 866 00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 4: Pretty concerned, about that at least in these. These finals 867 00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:36,559 i'm not gonna sit here and say he shouldn't get 868 00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:39,320 a major pay bump in. THE summer i still think 869 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,800 he should based on how he generally has played. This year, 870 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,079 but yeah we need more Out. 871 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:49,519 Speaker 2: OF miles i was trying to see What, it, wow 872 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,159 okay this is actually it's LOWER than i thought. IT 873 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,400 was i was trying to, see what oh you, know 874 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,599 What the pacers could use fewer. 875 00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:55,199 Speaker 1: OF it i just saw. 876 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 2: His names what made, me think let's Not Have tony 877 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:03,199 bradley euro stepping? In transition. Not Ideal andrew nemhart's turnover 878 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,320 rate for the series is eighteen point, four percent AND 879 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,719 when i saw, THE number i came, away, thinking well 880 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,239 that's LOWER than i thought it was gonna be. 881 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:14,679 Speaker 1: Not fair. To him he's, been there one of the 882 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,639 most valuable players. 883 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 2: Alat year but you kind Of need we've talked about 884 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,719 a bunch, of names but you need something from the 885 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,159 supporting cast where there have been like kind of games 886 00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:24,880 long struggles to shift in, your FAVOR and i think 887 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,480 you look at em hard and you look at maybe 888 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,639 turner on offense is like the two. 889 00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 4: Points there so what you're saying is more Minutes for 890 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,000 Johnny furfy that's what. 891 00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 3: You're saying it's. 892 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,519 Speaker 2: Time to Bust Out johnny Furfey And ben shepherds who 893 00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:38,760 probably play all FORTY so i think he played single 894 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,000 digits In in. Game five you have anything else on 895 00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:46,239 what's been a, ROLLICKING series i, will, say yes. 896 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 4: It HAS LOOK i, i, think look this is the 897 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,119 final series of this. This year it's been an up 898 00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,239 and down. YEAR overall i think some things. HAVE worked 899 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,000 i think some teams. HAVE disappointed i think they're certain 900 00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,599 elements in the league that. Should CHANGE but i love 901 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,400 when we finish out a year on a strong note 902 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,880 with a. GOOD finals i thought last year was a 903 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,960 bit of. A disappointment luca came into those finals with, 904 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,880 three injuries he was never himself and it just always 905 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,199 smelt Like the celtics would just Steamroll. The MAVs, this 906 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:25,880 series there's been a major level, of unpredictability and that's 907 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:31,360 always such an enormously attractive entity in when it comes 908 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,079 to to a series. Like this so, love it absolutely 909 00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,920 love how this series is or this year is going to. 910 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 2: Wrap up i'm rooting for seven games of it and 911 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:41,960 we will see. 912 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 1: What happens until. 913 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 2: Next Time, mort first can you tell our listeners where 914 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:47,800 they could find you and all the work that. 915 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,159 Speaker 4: You do you can find me Over, at Yahoo, at 916 00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:54,000 forbes AT the, nba podcast And At busser beatery in case. 917 00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:57,760 Speaker 2: You speak take until, Next time and, AS always i 918 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,119 need to shout out to, the one, the only, the 919 00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:03,920 indelible the player that it's, not legal but they should 920 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,440 sign him and put him on the, roster anyway just so 921 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,719 he gets. A championship Ring Mister Frank HeLa KEINA 922 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 4: Mm hm