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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious podcast. You know, guys, you may ask yourself,

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was Hawkins echoing putty joke from the movie Predator, Shane

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Black's worst joke. The answer is no, Shane Black's worst

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joke is a movie called Last Action Hero.

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Speaker 2: And that's what we're here to talk about today, Last

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Action Hero. My gosh, this is the last movie I

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walked out on. I'm actually excited to come here and

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revisit a movie that I had not seen since I

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walked out of the theater in nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 3: I gotta say this.

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Speaker 1: You know, we talked about last time when we had

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Jeff before and we were talking about oh you ate

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one two, And I said, Arlene, I had just spoken

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with him before we started recording and asked him which

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one he was picking between one two and Long Cold Winter.

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And he's like, I'm siding with Jason. It's got to be.

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Speaker 3: OU eight one two, And then of course you chose

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not OU eight one two. Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, he called me back after we dropped our episodes

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and he was like, I gotta say this. I think

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I'm changing my answer. I think that I still am

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siding with Jason. I think it's still long cold winter. Yes,

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and so it's still on the same page. And he

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called me just yesterday and asked what was coming up,

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and I told him and he said, oh, Last Action Hero.

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Speaker 2: I would have.

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Speaker 1: Walked out on that movie, but I was on a

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date and that is the only reason that I did

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not walk out on that movie.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've got here from the Film By podcast, mister

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Jeff Johnson. Jeff, hell us about your podcast. What you've

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got going on right now?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: Well, I am happy to be back with both of you.

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Speaker 4: We are the a Film By podcast where we are

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waxing intellectual about Hollywood's biggest and best directors, their underrated hits,

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and what we love about them. Along the way, we

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have come up with a couple very fun limited series

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which I'm happy to say has featured both Jason and

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d Our nineteen eighty six series, our nineteen seventy six series.

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Speaker 2: We've had some fun stuff.

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Speaker 4: So as always happy to collaborate with you guys, Always

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happy to be here at the Shirley Studios.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for coming back on today. We are going

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to talk about what the heck happened in nineteen ninety three,

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when we sat down to watch Last Action Hero. Jeff,

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what are your initial thoughts on this one? Where did

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you see this in the theater or what? Give us

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your story?

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Speaker 4: I did see this in the theater, I'll be honest.

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I was excited to see it. The week prior, me

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and two of my cousins had went and't seen Jurassic Park. Right,

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so pretty easy to get tickets for Last Action Hero

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because dinosaurs were ruling the box office. First time I

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saw it, I gotta be honest, I loved it. Not

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to say that I was hip to the whole meta

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commentary that it was pulling off, you know, way before

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it's time.

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Speaker 2: But I enjoyed it for what it was. And it's

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one of.

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Speaker 4: These movies where it has its it has its haters,

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but I'm not one of them.

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Speaker 2: D You watched this movie last week?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for the first time or the first time I

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watched this movie?

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Speaker 2: Initial thoughts?

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Speaker 1: Do you want me to tell you? I mean, I'm

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going to say this or I thought i'd say it

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for the end. Okay, here we go, Here we go.

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We got We know that you hate it, We know

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that Jeff loves it.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Now, I did hate it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, so you get a question mark over your head

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as well.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just saying. I'm just putting it out there.

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I hated it in ninety three.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we can say that the first time that

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you watched it, you hated it. The first time that

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Jeff watched it, he loved it. Right, I'm going to

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save what I feel about the movie the first time

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I watched it, which was again this week.

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Speaker 4: A final judgment on a What Were They Thinking?

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Speaker 2: Episode? Yes, it's fantastic. Okay, So let's dive into the

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story behind the story here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, starts off with a couple of college buddies who,

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like me, were kind of disillusioned with all of the

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action movies from the eighties. You know, we talk routinely

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about some of the movies that I haven't seen, and

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I haven't seen Cobra, I haven't seen Rambo, seeing part blood.

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the Lost Arc or die Hard. Those were my action movies,

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the ones where it was all guns and explosions and blood.

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I just didn't get into those things. I thought they

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were just kind of silly, and there were a couple

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of college guys who felt the same way, and so

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they rented every single action movie of the eighties that

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they could find, figured out all of the tropes that

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they could find, and they wrote this really dark, heredy

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movie called Extremely Violent.

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Speaker 2: He's never seen Rambo Jeff.

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Speaker 4: I the list that he just gave us, I am stupefied.

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I mean, you missed out on quintessential eighties action films.

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 1: So those two guys were named Zach Penn and Adam Leff.

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Now we've talked about Zach Penn before because he also

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went on to write the screenplay for Ready Player one,

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which we discussed in detail with our friend Van Allen

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Plexico on the White Rocket Podcast with a friend def Dave. Obviously,

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Jason and I are huge fans of the book Ready

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Player One. We are less so for the movie, but

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still not a bad screenplay for Zach penned right. And

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what's interesting is he's made his career off of writing

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action movies, but he started his career by making fun

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of them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at this list here. Last Action Hero

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Avengers Ready Player one. That's an impressive list.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, and his partner Adam Leff. If you haven't heard

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of him, you're obviously not a Biodome fan.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's not forget PCU.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, right yeah, Jeremy Pivens in one of

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Speaker 2: So when they sat down to write this script, these

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are two college guys, he said, they went to the

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video store and they rented every single action movie that

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they could, and they watched him one after another after another. Now,

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I'm guessing that the video store clerk did not look

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like Bobby Brown and Angie Evahart. Probably more like Jeff

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and Dayton, I'm guessing probably, But they he said that

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they sat down and watched every action movie. He said,

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it was soul crushing to watch Steven Sagall movie after

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steven Sagall movie.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 1: I don't watch Steven Siagall movies. I don't watch John

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Cloud Van dam movies. This movie, I mean, it came

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at the right time. Say what you will about the

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quality of the movie. Right, the idea of a spoof

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of all of the eighties action violence explosions shoot them up.

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time to do a parody of those movies. I mean,

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this movie could have been scary movie five years before

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scary movie came out except for action movies. But will

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have to decide whether they hit the mark or whether

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they missed the mark. But if you look at what

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happened after this movie where the action movies of the

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eighties went, it went by the way of Steven Siagall

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movies and John Claude Van Dam movies, which were not

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up to par of the movies of the eighties. I mean,

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we're still talking about Rambo and Commando and even maybe

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Raw Deal in that mix. But is anybody really talking

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about JCVD movies.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 4: I guess this makes me an apologist for both those actors.

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But when you're talking about Jean Claude Love blood Sport

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got to be a guest on the All Eighties podcast

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not too long ago talking about blood Sport, Love, Kickboxer,

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Double Impact, all his fun stuff.

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Speaker 2: Steven Seagal, For me, those hit at the right time.

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Speaker 4: I was like ten eleven years old, so hard to

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kill and out for justice. My thought was the rule was,

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as long as he has a cool name like Mason Storm.

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you know, above the law, hard to kill, march for death,

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out for justice. That's that's the formula first to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I think that you made you made

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a good point. You were about ten years old when

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those movies were coming out, right, And yep, I mean

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when this movie came out, I was a year away

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Speaker 3: I mean I was even a year I was.

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Speaker 1: I was about to graduate high school the next spring, right,

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and Jason was in one college. Yeah, he's in college.

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Age difference is huge. I sent you guys at text earlier.

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Zack Simmons, who is the city prosecutor for one of

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the places that I'm a judge is. He's like, I'm

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angry with you because your podcast has made me watch

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this movie screenshots of Superman four the Quest for Peace,

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which we covered with Jeff Honor what that happened last year? Right,

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And I said, I am so sorry. I am genuinely

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sorry that you felt obligated to do this. And I said,

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please please don't watch Supergirl, okay, because it's just it's

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worse and it's just not worth it. He said, you

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know what, I was born in nineteen eighty three, and

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I actually saw those movies when I was a kid,

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but I loved them then because they were just superheroes

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on TV, and so I loved them. And so at ten, yeah, sure,

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Martial Arts movies with lots of you know, mustly great

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action in the Jungle, I can totally see love in those.

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there something better that we can watch?

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Speaker 2: So this is what happened when I saw it in

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the theater. I saw an R. Schwarzenegger movie directed by

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John McTiernan. I'm all excited. I go, there's this stupid kid,

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the bad haircut, crossing his eyes, going freaking whiskers the cat. Okay,

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I'm like, what the f am I watching?

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Speaker 1: So, Jason, you described this before I watched the movie.

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You were like, Okay, you like cheeseburgers, right, And I'm

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like yeah. And you're like, and you.

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Speaker 3: Like hot fudge Sunday ice cream?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, and you go, but would you like

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hot fudge Sunday on top of a cheeseburger? And I'm

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like no, And he.

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Speaker 1: Was like, that's what this movie is. And I think

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that is an excellent analogy of this movie. And I

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think that they took it even to the extreme because

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when they promot did the movie, they only told you

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you were getting the cheeseburger.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: They didn't let you know about the ice cream. And

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if you know the ice cream's coming, then maybe you're

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ready for it. But if you suddenly have a cheeseburger

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with ice cream all over in front of you, you're

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gonna be like, what the heck, what what are we

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doing here? There were many, many problems, but one of

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the key problems that they had with this movie is

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they prepped guys like you who were totally into all

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of those action movies from the eighties, that this was

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the pinnacle.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be the best action movie you've

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Speaker 2: That's what they said. That was the exact word, right.

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Speaker 1: It was supposed to be a spoof. It was supposed

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to be a parody. We said at the beginning, these

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guys wrote this movie to be making fun of those movies.

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Why would they promote it as one of those movies? Stupidity,

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bad marketing, Yeah, that's what I'll call them. This one

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that's a mistake that happens later on. I mean, once

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promoting it and they're marketing it. That's the mistake they're

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making then. But they make mistakes at the outset. They

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buy this script, which is arguably a better script. I

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haven't read it, but there are a lot of fans

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the kid is not a kid. He's a teenager, right,

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his father and he's trying to escape the tragedy of

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his life. That's the thing that was left. He goes

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into the movie to find out, Oh my gosh, the

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violence that exists in the movies is much worse than

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I could ever imagine at my home. And so it's

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it's a realization.

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Speaker 2: But what do they do.

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Speaker 1: They take that well conceived idea and they give it

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to the writer that wrote the movie that they're making

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fun of. They give it to Shane Black, and then

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they get the director of the movie that they're making

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fun of. They get John McTiernan, and they say, you

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write it and you direct it. Those guys are brilliant.

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I love their work, but why would you give them

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the movie that is making fun of their movies to direct?

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it doesn't make make sense.

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Speaker 2: Good call. It's like asking Clint Eastwood to hang around

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with an orangutang and make a comedy. Oh wait, sorry, no,

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it just doesn't work right. It just it's it is

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a mixture of a cheeseburger and hot fudge Sunday. It's

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taking things that I do like. They just couldn't find

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that tone. And Jeff, you and I were talking the

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other night. They brought in William Goldman to work on

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this script, among other people including Larry Ferguson, who worked

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on Hunt for Red October.

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Speaker 1: And worked on Aliens three. He was the guy that

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wrote the script that everyone unanimously hated.

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Speaker 2: And he brought in Carrie Fisher aka Princess Leah. Yes

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that one Leah Leah. Excuse me, but they brought in

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William Goldman, who had written The Princess Bride. And I

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told you, Jeff, I'm like the one singular movie in

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this world that combines action and comedy and fantasy perfectly

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is The Princess Bride. Absolutely that movie.

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Speaker 4: Like I told you when we were talking about that,

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I don't care what genre film you enjoy, you get

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it with The Princess Bride.

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Speaker 2: That's right. They paid him a million bucks to come

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and work the script four weeks. Four weeks.

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Speaker 3: It's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a week. Boys.

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Speaker 2: Pretty good gig, bight there, That's a great gig.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're the guy that wrote Bush

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Cassidy and The Sundance Kid and all the presidents men

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and Marathon Man and The Princess Bride, and somebody's like, hey,

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here's this total turd, what can you do with it?

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I can't do anything with it. Will pay you one

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million dollars. Let me see what I can do for

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next four weeks.

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Speaker 2: Step back, boys, I'm gonna take a shot at this.

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Speaker 1: And the truth is is it he couldn't save it.

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And I can't believe that because this to me, this storyline,

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even with the way they jacked up the whole concept

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by making it a younger kid and taking out the

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extreme violence, even with that, they could have done a

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better job with it and add a great movie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they could have.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's back to marketing because you know, like you said, Jason,

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you went in ready and hungry for that cheeseburger, and

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then you had two scoops of rum raising slopped on.

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Speaker 2: We were like, what happened here? I watched the City

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Stickers earlier.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't I don't like rum raising,

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but it was a city slickers. I blame City Stickers.

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Imagine if you will, and let me take over for

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marketing here. Okay, how about the movie trailer? Voiceover guy

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tells you this summer, Arnold Schwarzenegger does not want you

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to come see the movies.

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Speaker 2: He wants you to be in the movies.

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Speaker 4: And then boom and you get some great fast cuts,

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you get some action cuts, you kind of pepper in

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a couple of the fantastical and cartoony elements of this movie.

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So now you're like, you're curious, You're going, wait, it's

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Arnold Swarzeningger. But but it's it's comedy and it's did

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I see an animated cat?

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Speaker 2: Is that what that was?

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Speaker 4: Now you've got you got a couple balls in the

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air here where you're thinking, Okay, I like Arnold Swarzenegger.

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Speaker 2: I liked Twins when he was funny.

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Speaker 4: I liked Who framed Roger Rabbit when there was animated

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people and real people. Sure, it starts to create a

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a different vibe for this movie, and I think people

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going in have a different expectation. And then that way,

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nineteen ninety three's Jason Colvin is not walking out of

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the theater because he was he got a bait and switch.

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There is another theory on why this movie bombed. I

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don't know if you guys saw.

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Speaker 2: That or read that.

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Speaker 4: It comes from Arnold Schwarzeninger himself, because Arnold, Oh yeah, well,

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Arnold loves this movie. He has said it is his

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most underrated role. Back in May, he was talking to

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Cinema Blend. His quote was Last Action Hero. It was

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slaughtered before anybody saw it. It was literally a political

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attack because I was campaigning for former President George H. W. Bush,

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but Bill Clinton won. Last Action Hero was great. It

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wasn't fantastic, but it was underrated. Now more and more

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people are seeing it and saying, I love this movie.

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I'm getting the residual checks, so I know it's true.

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It made money. That's always an important thing. For me

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because it's show business, right, He's endorsed in the wrong horse,

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and Hollywood was like, no, we're gonna shut this movie down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So here's another one of the marketing missteps in the process.

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Speaker 2: Us.

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Speaker 1: They know that Jurassic Park is coming, they know when

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it's being released, They know that they have thrown this

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thing together in nine months, and that all you had

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to do was postpone things two weeks, three weeks, just

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a little bit of time, and you are not consumed

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by the Jurassic Park tsunami.

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Speaker 3: But did they do that.

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Speaker 1: No. Their thought was, you know what, Spielberg's washed up.

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His last movie was Hook, and that sucked, by the way.

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Carrie Fisher also helped out with Hook. But and it

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did suck. But you have made a critic, you have

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chosen poorly on your release.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, one week after Jurassic Park.

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Speaker 3: Mistake.

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Speaker 2: Mistake.

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Speaker 4: This is June thirteenth when this is coming out. So

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to D's point, make it an August movie. You know,

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this is the last action hero. This is the last

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hurrah for these kinds of movies. Let it be the

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end of summer. The marketing guys here, everyone's just failing.

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Speaker 2: There's so many things that they could have done to

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make this a better experience for the viewer. You know,

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we forget Arnold had just been in Terminator two. You

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talked about the best action movie of the nineties. It's

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in the conversation McTiernan had given us die Hard Predator

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Hunt for October. Diehard maybe the best action movie of

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the nineteen eighties. So having a chance to recalibrate our

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expectations would have been important. You either have to go

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all in i e. Naked gun or loaded weapon. It's

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got to be all in spoof or all in action.

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It can't be both.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: You can have satire and you can have farce in satire,

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but you don't have to have farce in satire, and

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that is the critical mistake that they made.

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Speaker 3: You can have this movie be a.

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Speaker 1: Satire of all of the action movies if you are

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choosing to go that way, right, if you're sticking with

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the idea of the script that this is supposed to

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be a mock of all of the action movies of

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the eighties, But that doesn't mean that you have to

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move into the Zucker Brothers' farcical stuff You don't have

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to have the tennis shoes sticking straight up out of

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the trash can. You don't have to have the guy

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getting killed by the ice cream cone in the back

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of the head lord. You don't have to have the

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gigantic moon with the bicycle flying through the shadow as

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an obvious throwback to eat. You don't have to do

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that stuff. You can still make fun of it, which

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is I've said this probably a handful of times over

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the course of our podcast. I think that's what leth

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Weapon three was doing. I think Lethal Weapon three was

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making fun of the other two, but it didn't go

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so far as to make it farccle, and it's still fun.

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It's still enjoyable. Also, by the way, carry Fisher came

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up with the Renee Russo part for that movie as well.

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Speaker 2: Nice. But what they chose to do was try to

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mix those two up.

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Speaker 1: Mix the satire that seems ultra realistic in with the farcicle.

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That is, it belongs in a mel Brooks movie, or

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it belongs in a scary movie or a Zucker Brothers movie.

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Speaker 2: I think we all agree the concept, the idea of

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this kid magically getting pulled into his favorite action movies.

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Is a great idea, and it could work if you

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get pulled into a lethal weapon movie. Guys are not

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going to be killed by ice cream cones and smoke

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doesn't come out of the angry sergeant's ears.

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Speaker 4: But to be fair, Animated aren't getting out of line

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with their female partners Police Station.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Can we just touch on that for just a second?

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That world? Okay? The idea is this kid goes into

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the movie world.

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Speaker 1: Then somehow the movie world becomes like backstage at MGM.

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Why are all of these other characters from other movies

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in this movie instead of it being like the world

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of Jack Slater?

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Speaker 3: Right? Why does that happen?

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Speaker 4: D That's the one nitpick I have about this movie

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is that it breaks its own rule. The whole idea

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of the Magic Ticket is that you can go into

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the movie of your choice.

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Speaker 2: You can live in that world.

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Speaker 4: There's too many cameos to name, would be here all night.

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I get why they did it, you know, because sitting

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there in this theater, you're like, oh, there goes Robert

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Patrick from Terminato two. There goes Sharon stone form based

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against me. You know, it's eye candy. It also breaks

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the rule that the movie sets up.

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Speaker 1: Then to further break that rule, even go beyond eye Candy,

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you have the Seventh Seal and you have Death from

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the movie to and Seal coming out. Now, obviously it's

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a very old movie, so they didn't have the actual actor.

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The guy they had was Ian McKellen. With that point,

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I mean like he had had a little bit of

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a career early on, but he was not a movie guy.

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He was a stage actor. This was kind of his

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reintroduction into the movies. So I thought that that just

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that fact alone was pretty cool. But when he comes

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out of the screen as Death, he's got this moment

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where he confronts the characters and he's like, Jack Slater

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is not on my list, and I just wanted to

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see who he was.

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Speaker 3: But you you are on my list. But don't worry.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna You've got a long time left to go.

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And I'm like, wait a minute, this is Death from

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the movie Seventh Seal. This is not actual Death, Like,

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how does he have this or it just doesn't It didn't,

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Like you said, it broke its own rules.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was telling you last night. The

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break in scene at the beginning of the movie, Danny's

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apartment is broken into. He's terrorized by this thug, and

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it means nothing to the story. It means absolutely nothing.

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Nothing happens. I guess they put it in there to

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show that he doesn't have it dad, but we already

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know that and it is meaningless to him. Like, he's

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not upset, right, He literally is struggling to call the

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police in time to get over to the theater and

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catch the movie before it starts. It doesn't put any

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fear in him. He doesn't act as a coward so

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that we have a character arc that he becomes brave

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later on. He's not brave, so that we can see

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the seeds of the character when he is brave later on.

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It's literally just this throwaway moment that could have been great.

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It could have been an opportunity to truly give his

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character some depth so that we root for him, because

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to me, that is the biggest sin of the entire

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movie is that you have no reason to root for

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this kid. Oh absolutely.

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Speaker 4: On a Film By podcast, we talked about this movie

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back in June. It was our John mc ternan episode

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we had ninety Days in the nineties. Author Andy Frye

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join us, and what started off as what was going

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to be a conversation with the movie turned into you know,

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like this is this is what they did wrong, and

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this is what they did wrong and d we talked

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about that scene though, that is it's a complete throwaway

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to have this crackhead break in and the time like

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like it doesn't add up. You know, if he's got

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to meet Nick at midnight and it's eight o'clock and

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you're telling me that the you know, the guy breaks in,

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he's handcuffed and he goes down to the police precinct.

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What is Mercedes Rule doing for a living? Where the

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police department called. I'm not a father, I know you

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guys are. But she gets she gets a phone call

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that her son has been in a aggravated assault. Someone

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broke into her home. The miner is at the police station,

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and she says, send him straight home when you're done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 4: And the police aren't going to give him like an escort.

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They're not gonna he's a ten year old kid, but

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we're not gonna drive him home. Hey, mom says, straight home.

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Speaker 2: That should all that should have been cut.

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Speaker 1: Let me say this because I know that we've talked

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about it, and we'll probably talk about it a little

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bit more, but let's talk about the kid here for

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just a second. Do I think that all of his

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acting choices were the best choices. No, I don't, but

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that or kid was handed a turd to work with.

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If you just look at a handful of his lines

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that he has had to read what was on the script,

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you go, I feel sorry for this kid, Like he

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had to say, my name's Danny O'Brien or whatever the

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crap it was, I'm a kid, Like that was somebody.

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Shane Black, a man who's been paid two million dollars

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for a script, wrote that line.

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Speaker 2: What Yeah, I'm a kid? Look you said it.

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Speaker 4: You know, we talked about the resume for Shane Black,

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Zach Pen, and Adam Leff in a game of whoever

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smelt it delt it? You know we know that we

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know Zach Penn and Shane Black are awesome. Adam Lef

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PCU and Biodome. I'm not saying who's responsible for writing

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Danny Madigan's dialogue or developing that character, but I gotta wonder, like,

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out of the three writers responsible for his terrible dialogue,

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who's in charge here because outside of the bad dialogue,

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it's just Austin O'Brien's terrible acting, which is on a

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Jake Lloyd level. You know, fan of nas Jake Lloyd level,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: It's just bad, bad, bad. He's a bad actor. I'm sorry.

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Is the movie any better with mcaulay Culkin, Yes.

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Speaker 4: Deficantly better, Jason, I don't know if we want to

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get into this now. I told you I had three

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options for you on here.

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Speaker 3: I'm waiting all day for this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, no way before you do that. The possibilities

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for Last Action Hero what should have been was Arnold Schwarzenegger, McCully, Culkin,

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Alan Rickman. That is what initially was set up. Yeah, right,

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and even Timothy Dalton was talked about. Now, Charles Dance

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did a great job. I'm not awesome, right, Yeah, But Schwarzenegger, McCully, culkin,

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and Alan Rickman move over. Jurassic Park. Take my money.

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Speaker 4: So you guys are the producers, I'll play the casting director.

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I've got what I'm going to say is a safe

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choice and inspired choice, and then the obvious choice. Keep

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in mind, these three actors, they are age appropriate within

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a couple of years. Each one of them has been

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in the business long enough to to be great. Okay,

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here's here's the safe choice. In nineteen ninety two, I'm

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gonna give you Jonathan Brandis. So the year before Last

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Action Hero, he does Lady Bugs and Sidekicks, which shows

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he can have a blockbuster star, whether it's an action

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star or a comedic star, and he can play the

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sidekick role to both of them, right, Brandis, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did that was in like the Dolphin thing

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with Roy Scheider.

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Speaker 4: Yeah you're talking, You're talking about SeaQuest. Okay, the year Yeah,

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he joined SeaQuest the year that Last Action Hero comes out.

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So even with Roy Scheider proven, you know he can

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play the kids sidekick. So that's that's my safe choice.

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You would have had it, You would have had fine

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with that. Ye, here's an inspired choice. And I think

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you know this is a little bit of a maybe

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blow your mind on who it is? Do you guys

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if I say the name Brandon Quinton Adams get getting

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question marks?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 4: So in nineteen eighty eight he had a small role

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where he played a character named Zeke and Michael Jackson

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smooth Criminal and Moonwalker. If you remember the video street

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kids are watching outside, and the one kid says, look

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at him, go I taught him everything he knows, and

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the other kid says, no, you didn't. And so Brandon

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Adams is the one that jumps down and does a

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perfect Michael Jackson dance number right there. Okay, you probably

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don't remember him from that, but I know that in

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ninety one you might remember.

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Speaker 2: Him as Jesse and the Mighty Ducks.

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Speaker 4: And if you don't remember him there Jason, you definitely

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know him because in nineteen ninety three, same year as

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Last Action Hero, he's in the Sandlot. He plays the

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pitcher Kenny. Yes, who dares him to?

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Speaker 2: You know, here's my heater, I dare you to hit it?

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Speaker 4: Yes, this kid, this kid was ready to blow up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean he could have been a box office star. Okay,

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so that's the inspired choice, right.

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Speaker 2: You're blowing my mind. I didn't know that the picture

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from the Sandlot was the same kid in the Smooth

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Criminal video.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay. And then finally, I'm you know, I'm

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gonna lob this one in. It's it's my obvious choice.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 4: Think of the year, Think of the resume that he's

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got in the eighties, late eighties, Princess Bride, Little Monsters,

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The Wizard, Fred Savage.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And in nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 4: Three, the Wonder Years is ending, when Last Action Hero

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is coming out, So it would have been a great

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transition for his film career. Again, and we've seen that

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he can handle the big budget movie and have fun

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with it. Good point, and he's popular. Kevin Arnold, Kevin

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Arnold and Arnold Arnold and Arnold. I can't some would

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get me a marketing.

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Speaker 2: Job because I don't know to tell you.

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Speaker 4: But okay, so Jonathan Brandis, Brandon, Quintin Adams, Fred Savage.

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Speaker 2: Who do you guys like? Man? I gotta go with

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Fred Savage. Man, that's a no brainer. Agree, Yeah right.

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Speaker 4: I don't know who's asleep at the wheel, but that

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and again, any three of these guys would have been

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light years ahead of Austin O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know what I.

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Speaker 1: Think that Fred Savage could have actually sold the line Amadeus.

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It won eight oscars. Oh gosha, I think Fred Savage

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could have sold that line. It's a terriblene once again, terrible,

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terrible writing for this poor child actor. But I think

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Fred Savage might have been able to sell that.

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Speaker 4: Line, and I would I would think that Fred Savage,

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even at this young age, he's got enough enough time

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in the business and enough cloud to say to look

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at some of these lines and say, wait, you want

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me to say, Hey, I'm Danny Manigan, I'm just a kid.

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I guarantee you. Fred Savage makes the Danny character less whimpy,

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less whiny, less.

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Speaker 2: Weak, less cross eyed. Yeah, that too, definitely. Let's talk

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about what we think really worked in this movie. Okay,

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so I think the action really worked in this movie.

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The action is awesome. McTiernan cannot be bad if he

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tries diehard, just bleeds out of his pores. Okay, the

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practical effects, the stunts, the car crashes, Schwarzenegger hanging off

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of an elevator, glass breaking, even the shootouts are awesome.

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They're all fantastic. I think the those are all really good.

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I think mister Benedict, that character is cool and you

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know solid. You know the contacts that he wears they

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have a nice day contacts, I'm not sure about that

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as a character. I thought his was really good. Bridget

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Wilson as his daughter was inspired goodness gracious majors, they

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did nothing with her basically except annoy you because she's

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screaming at the top of her lungs the entire time.

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Speaker 4: Well, quickly, I'll say she definitely graduated from the Kim

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Beasinger school of screaming. But where the second you start

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to get annoyed, you realize that she's using it as

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an offensive weapon. Right, guy smacks her and she's like,

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big mistake, has her dad's catchphrase, and she's beaten the

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crap out of this guy while she's screaming at the

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top of her lungs, so that the guys in the

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other room just assume that you know, she's she's getting

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tore up. I could go both ways on the on

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the screaming, like, yes, it's annoying, but it's also like

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an effective tool that her character does.

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Speaker 2: The one scene that I thought was awesome because it

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fits so well into eighties action movies. You have one

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one moment, they're jumping the car like a thousand feet

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over this thing, the kids cross eyed and making goofy sounds,

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and then you crash into a lingerie photo shoot. This

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is straight out of a you know, a lethal weapon

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type of movie. And that was fun and funny and

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I liked it. Yeah, And then there's one other thing.

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There's one joke that hit for me that I thought

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was really funny. Arl Schwarzenegger's carrying around a guy going

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he needs a doctor. This guy needs a doctor. He's

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not dead. And then one guy in a very Bugs

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Bunny like moment, says, I'm a doctor, right straight out

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of the Bugs Bunny cartoons. That was funny, And then

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the soundtrack is amazing. One more thing, Jeff, the iconic

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shot of Schwarzenegger in the movie Theater pulls out his

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gun to shoot the axe murderer, and you have that

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cool crane shot. These guys just are so good at

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what they do, they're just not good at what they

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don't do.

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Speaker 4: So that that shot that should have been the poster.

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And if look at the poster, the poster is almost perfect,

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except for you've got the kid doing that stupid face

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in the poster, you know, as as Jack Slader's carrying him,

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you know, tucked away like a football, so this he's

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not cross eyed at.

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Speaker 3: Least, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think that the the thing they absolutely nailed, that

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they absolutely nailed on this movie was the movie within

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the movie. Within the movie, Arnold Schwarzeningger.

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Speaker 3: As Hamlet, to be, Oh, not to be, not to be?

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Speaker 1: When we get the Joel Silver style like dark and

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it's brilliant of course, because again they're making fun of

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lethal weapon. Like there's just lethal weapon ish ness everywhere

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in the movie, right, Jack Slater is Martin Riggs, right,

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just without the partner. You even have the when the

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when the house explodes, just like a lethal weapon.

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Speaker 3: You have the old black cop.

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Speaker 2: It was just two days away from retirement, like.

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Speaker 1: It's and you've got the countdown, which I thought was

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pretty funny honestly, as he's just pulling through the cards.

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I think everybody hates that scene. I thought it was

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just chuckling to myself and it was that and I

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was like, this is great satire right here, this is funny.

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But to have that Joel Silver style Hamlet where Hamlet

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just starts shooting everybody with an oozy I thought, freaking brilliant.

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That is great.

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Speaker 2: That was funny.

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Speaker 1: The soundtrack is a no brainer. I mean it was

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a huge it was a hugely successful. It's the one

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success they had, Like the action figures didn't sell everybody

692
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hated the movie, but the album everybody bought it because

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it was so freaking good. I think that the story

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idea is fantastic. It is I think that the idea

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of going in and I thought this was kind of

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funny because literally, by pure accident, I'm watching old silent

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movies this past week. I'm watching it. I'm like, oh,

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it's a guy going into a movie and becoming the

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main character in the movie. And it's from like nineteen twenty,

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like it's one hundred year old movie and it's Buster Keaton.

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I'm like, look, okay, so it's an inspired choice. You know,

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it's Alice in Wonderland through the looking Glass all that stuff,

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and the idea that there's something to be learned about. Hey,

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when we do all these violent and crazy things, how

705
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,400
does that translate into real life? I think, again, inspired choice.

706
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,759
When the villain gets into the real world and you realize, wow,

707
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:27,400
bad things happen and nothing happens to the people that

708
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,799
do them, that's a poignant moment. I think they did

709
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,440
a ton of great stuff with that. And I agree

710
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,960
with you, Jason. I think that the action was done

711
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:34,920
like an action movie.

712
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,559
Speaker 3: It was real.

713
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: It was if George Lucas directed Spaceballs, and all of

714
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,839
a sudden, you can't tell is this a movie or

715
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,160
is this a farce of a movie or a satire

716
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,920
of a movie. So I thought, I thought all of

717
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,839
that was great. But I'll say this, even the dumb,

718
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,720
farcical things that they did, they still made me chuckle.

719
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:54,160
But here's the key difference that I had from what

720
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:58,640
you had, Jason. I didn't go in expecting only a cheeseburger.

721
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,599
That's true. I went in knowing that this movie is

722
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,319
supposed to be a spoof of action movies, and so

723
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,240
I knew what to expect. I was ready for it,

724
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:10,920
and so I could enjoy it. I wasn't expecting pure action.

725
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,440
I wasn't expecting a Zucker Brothers movie. I was expecting

726
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,840
John McTernan does a spoof of his own style, and

727
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,320
that's totally what I got. So my expectations were met.

728
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,280
That was not the case for the entire audience of

729
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,000
the world back in nineteen ninety three.

730
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:29,079
Speaker 4: I will concur with the both of you when it

731
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,599
comes to the action of this movie and the soundtrack

732
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,639
that lights out, they just they hit it out of

733
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:35,559
the park on this one. What also works for me.

734
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,440
Austin O'Brien aside, I'm talking at both sides of my

735
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,840
mouth here because I'm talking about what they did get right.

736
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:41,559
Speaker 2: But the casting.

737
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,639
Speaker 4: You've got the biggest action star of the nineteen eighties,

738
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,320
You've got Oscar winners like f Murray Abraham and Anthony Quinn.

739
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,320
You've got the feature film debut of Bridget Wilson, and

740
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,400
you know, again all the fun cameos. So I think

741
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,119
the casting was fantastic. Another thing that I think that

742
00:34:57,199 --> 00:34:59,400
they really got right, and this is something that I

743
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,159
know is important to you guys as well, is the mcguffin.

744
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,320
This magic ticket with a mysterious origin. Harry Houdini passed

745
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,159
it down and he got it from someone who got

746
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:12,679
it from someone. The Magic Ticket is a fantastic mcguffin

747
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,000
for both the villains and the heroes. So I love

748
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:18,360
the I love the Magic Ticket. And then lastly the

749
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,960
comedy when it hits right, and I'm you know, you

750
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,039
mentioned Schwarzenegger, you know, and the doctor and then hit him,

751
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:26,079
knocking out the doctor, and then he's like the doctor

752
00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:27,639
has fainted and someone.

753
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,079
Speaker 2: Helped the doctor.

754
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 4: You know, It's like, but but I love you know,

755
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,159
like IND's point when when Charles Dance when his character

756
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,159
makes it into the real world and he starts to

757
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,320
pick up on the fact that bad things happen and

758
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,159
you get away with it. I love that moment where

759
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:43,000
he he shouts out to the alley, I've just shot

760
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:45,199
him man, and I want to confess, and the response

761
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,840
he gets is he shut up down there.

762
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,039
Speaker 2: So like that kind of.

763
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,679
Speaker 4: Comedy I dig in this movie, and even the banter

764
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,159
between Arnold and Charles Dance when he knocks on the door.

765
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: You know, I just speak to the drug dealer of

766
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:57,400
the house.

767
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, upside to do the day we're killing drug dealers?

768
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,119
Do you have any I just that part is fantastic.

769
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,199
Speaker 2: I love I love some of the comedy.

770
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, get rid of the farcical stuff, you know, ice

771
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:13,840
cream cones at the back of the head and Danny

772
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,679
Manigan cross eyed and you know, doing his goofy noises.

773
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,519
Speaker 2: Get rid of all that.

774
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:22,079
Speaker 4: But there there there's still plenty that works as far

775
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:22,719
as the comedy.

776
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: Okay, a quick Calvin cut of this movie that makes

777
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,119
it one hundred thousand percent better. All right, okay, and

778
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:33,920
it's so easy. I told the this hours two hours

779
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,039
and ten minutes. You trim it back to an hour

780
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:39,559
and fifty. You cut all the farcicle crap out, so literally,

781
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:41,920
you go through. You scrub the ice cream cone to

782
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,039
the back of the head, You scrub some of the

783
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:47,119
stupid fart jokes, the silent but deadly I mean that

784
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,800
was somewhat humorous, but calling the guy Leo the fart

785
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,039
and he was a flagelette man. All that stuff is

786
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:55,559
for Leslie Nilson. Take that out of there. Do something

787
00:36:55,599 --> 00:37:05,840
with whiskers the cat euthanasia. Yes, and you trim the

788
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,000
stupid cross eyed kid shot. Everything else is fantastical and acceptable.

789
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 4: Could we cut a little bit more of Austin O'Brien's dialogue. Yeah,

790
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,079
And I'm just I mean, I'm not being like a hater.

791
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:18,920
I'm just saying, like some of just some of that

792
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,840
bad dialogue.

793
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: Sure cut it.

794
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,519
Speaker 4: Like when he when he first meets Bridget Wilson's character

795
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:26,159
and then he has that moment by himself where he's like, Hi,

796
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,559
I'm Danny Madigan and I haven't had a long life,

797
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,440
but I just want you to know it's all downhill

798
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:30,679
for me.

799
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: It's like, just can we.

800
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,119
Speaker 4: Just cut most of his stuffy. Cut a lot of

801
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,800
him and give me more Marcedes Rule. That'd be my

802
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,280
trade off, I'd request.

803
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:42,079
Speaker 2: And she's never looked better in my opinion. She she

804
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:43,679
looks wonderful in this movie.

805
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 4: Dirty girl looking fantastic in this moody and I believe her,

806
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,920
you know, like and I feel bad for her, you know,

807
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,920
she's she has that terrible, that that sad line, like I, hey,

808
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,079
you think I asked to be a widow before before

809
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:57,079
I'm forty, Jason, you know, I'm a big fan of Marcedes.

810
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,679
Speaker 2: Rule, you know, because of Fraser. But I wish we

811
00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,000
could have.

812
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: Had more of her in this movie.

813
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: One thing I wish we could have had more of

814
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:04,320
in this movie, Man, it was so close to be.

815
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,800
In an awesome moment in the movie Theater, Jack Slater

816
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,599
is pulled out a gun. He's trying to shoot the

817
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,880
ex murder. Everybody's duck and it's mass chaos and he's

818
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:18,920
tackled by Arnold Schwarzenegger. And I thought, man, this would

819
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,320
be a really cool way to have a fight right here,

820
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,119
like do something. Oh yeah, and you know they have

821
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,840
a minor disagreement and that's it. And I thought that

822
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,039
really could have if you could have expanded that scene

823
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:32,639
into some sort of wrestling match.

824
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: Or that could have been your trailer for the movie,

825
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:36,000
Oh my god, and that would have given you the

826
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:37,159
appropriate expectation.

827
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right, Greed.

828
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, what the Colvin cut, I'll

829
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,840
give you the grapes cut here, all right. Yeah, yes,

830
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,159
I would have cut some of the farcical things, although

831
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,440
like I said, I did enjoy them because I had

832
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,800
that expectation. So the key thing that I would say is,

833
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,239
had they marketed it properly at the beginning, they would

834
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,920
have offended a whole lot less folks. But there's this

835
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:03,639
beautiful opportunity to create a father son story here. He

836
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,719
is a father who's lost a son. Danny is a

837
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,440
son who's lost a father. They are both looking for

838
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:14,039
the wrong solution to their problem, and ultimately that could

839
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:16,480
have been the right solution. And so if you build

840
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,280
that relationship and make that more of a focus of

841
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,079
the movie, then suddenly we've got characters that we can

842
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,840
care more about. And that gets us through the kind

843
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,079
of bumpy ride of the ice cream cones and the

844
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:33,760
funeral full of people who all have their own personal

845
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,239
oozzis right right, right, yep.

846
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,079
Speaker 3: And so if you've.

847
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: Got those things that you care about, and you eliminate

848
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,760
some of the silly stuff that they're just doing because

849
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,960
they think that's what they're supposed to do. Because of

850
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,440
mel Brooks here, I think is an important thing that

851
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,679
would have been a very simple fix. Change the way

852
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,239
the real world looks compared to the movie world. I

853
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,119
think one of the key problems is that they look

854
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:05,000
exactly the same. If your point is to show the

855
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:09,000
difference between movies and reality, you need to be able

856
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:12,840
to see that on the screen, right. Desaturate what you're

857
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,320
doing in the real world, give it a more authentic vibe,

858
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,679
which you absolutely could have done at this point, and

859
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,199
then that drives that point home that you're trying to

860
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,880
make in the movie itself about what is good about

861
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,440
movies and what's bad, and what's good about real life

862
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,880
and what's bad. So I think those simple changes and

863
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,440
you have a movie classic instead of a classic.

864
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 4: Blunder, I absolutely agree, and to your point on the desaturation,

865
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,320
and I'm not I don't want to pick a scab

866
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,239
here from the last time I showed up when we

867
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,400
talked Alien three, but imagine, imagine if the movie world

868
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,239
had that hazy blues of Cameron's Aliens, and then in

869
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,039
the real world we get the cpia tones of the

870
00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:00,000
yellowish tint that Venture had in Alien three. You're absolutely right,

871
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,639
distinguishing between the two worlds would have been much better

872
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:04,199
for this film.

873
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: One more change that I would make. The axe murderer

874
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:08,199
has to be.

875
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: Less intelligent and less well spoken.

876
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he's this scarred up walking in a yellow

877
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,480
rain slicker with.

878
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: A makeshift axe in his hand. You can't talk like

879
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,599
a very educated man and talk to Jack about the

880
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,039
problems that they've had and the way that they can

881
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:30,280
work these things out. Brilliant Jack, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant Jack.

882
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,599
Speaker 1: No, no, no, he's a psychotic killer. Make him talk

883
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:36,760
like a psychotic killer. Make him sound like Buffalo Bill

884
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,119
from Silence of the Lambs, And then yes, we now

885
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:43,039
have a scary villain instead of something that just seems ludicrous.

886
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:46,079
Speaker 4: To your point, The Rippers played by Tom Noonan, who

887
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,360
is famous for playing the Tooth Fairy in Michael Man's

888
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,800
Manhunter from nineteen eighty six. Yeah, so again with there's

889
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,119
a Silence of the Lambs connection that guy's creepy and

890
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:57,719
scary enough. You know you didn't have to make him

891
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:58,679
look like Chro Magnan.

892
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: Man.

893
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 4: If you're gonna make him look like that, make him

894
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:15,800
more barbaric, more gruff, not what we got.

895
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 2: Well, is it time for final judgment?

896
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we have two kind of final judgments here.

897
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,960
Number one. I mean we kind of already have talked

898
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,320
about how we felt about Alien three, but we're comparing

899
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,440
Alien three and Last Action Hero to some degree, although

900
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,880
we are really asking the question what the heck happened?

901
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,239
But we talked about how we felt about Alien three.

902
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:40,800
Let's talk now. You've rewatched it, Jeff, you loved it

903
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,400
when you first saw it, and you've rewatched it as well.

904
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,719
I watched for the first time, Jason, would you think

905
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:47,400
on the rewatch?

906
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,639
Speaker 2: So on the rewatch, I've already told you guys, this

907
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,440
is not a walk outable movie. So I was with

908
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,559
my college buddy Craig Parrish. I want to give him

909
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:01,599
a shout out. We both agreed, we both walked out.

910
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:04,599
We were like, this sucks, get us out of here.

911
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:08,880
But upon rewatch, it's a fun ride. There's a lot

912
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,599
of fun to be had in this movie. There's some

913
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:16,559
stupid decisions that were made, but overall I had recalibrated

914
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:18,880
my expectations for the movie. I knew what I was

915
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,480
getting into, and overall it was a lot of fun.

916
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,639
I think it's a It was a big swing and

917
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:29,239
a big miss, but at least they took a big

918
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,280
cut and really went for it. They just didn't They

919
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,239
just didn't catch it right. So overall I enjoyed it

920
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,079
upon rewatch.

921
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: Hey, Jeff, you loved it when you first saw it

922
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,599
and have now since expanded your palette, if you will,

923
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,880
on what quality movies are versus how you felt when

924
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,480
you were ten. So what did you think on the rewatch?

925
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:51,519
Speaker 2: I'll say this.

926
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,119
Speaker 4: Years and years watching it, you know every now and

927
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:58,280
then does it have its faults? It absolutely does. I

928
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,519
do think it was ahead of its time. You know,

929
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:02,840
we talked about that meta commentary that that the film

930
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,719
offers up and I would love to do to see

931
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,079
more from it. I know they just released a four

932
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:10,800
K Blu ray that has an alternate ending and some

933
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,079
other some other goodies. I still like the film. I

934
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,400
think it's fun, but I'm not ready to buying the

935
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,119
Blu ray. I've got for seven ninety nine is one

936
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,559
thing before I'm going to spend forty bucks on a

937
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,039
four K steal book that has the I'm not there yet,

938
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:28,480
so I'm kind of trying to compromise. Meet Meet Jason halfway.

939
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,559
I loved it, and I still I still care a

940
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:33,199
great deal about it. It's got some great moments, but

941
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I get it. It's not for everybody, but it was

942
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for me.

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Speaker 1: I like it, okay, And just real, real quick before

944
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,800
I throw this out there. They didn't know what to

945
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expect when this thing finally came out, right, they and

946
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they test audience.

947
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Speaker 3: They showed it to him.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about Mark Cannon before because Mark Cannon when

949
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,320
we talked about vacation, he was the guy when everybody

950
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,119
else said, no, vacation idea is a stupid idea. He

951
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,639
was the one guy at Warner Brothers right who said, no,

952
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I think we can make this something great. And he

953
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was right, And then I said, and then he went

954
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on to do Purple Rain and Batman, and I mean,

955
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if you look at his stage production career, it is flawless. Well,

956
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he's the president of Columbia. At this point, they do

957
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:13,079
their test showing the cards they got back were so

958
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bad that he confiscated all of them and destroyed them.

959
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:21,320
But unfortunately he didn't keep it a secret. And Jeffrey Wells,

960
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,199
who was just a freelance guy, then he wrote a

961
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story about it and it created white a havoc. I

962
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:29,480
saw the interview that Brian Gumble did with Arnold Schwarzenegger

963
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before this movie came out, and he's talking to him,

964
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this is before the movie comes out, and he's talking

965
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to him about all the bad press that this movie

966
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is getting. So I think that it's terrible at that

967
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point in history that not only did they give people

968
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false expectations, but then they made that even worse by

969
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putting out these stories that put everybody questioning, oh my gosh,

970
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:50,880
is this just going to be this horrible, horrible thing.

971
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,320
I didn't have to experience any of that. I got

972
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to watch it a week ago when I knew that

973
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you hated it, and I knew that you liked it,

974
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and I knew that it's supposed to be a far

975
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and that it wasn't well received. I sat there watching

976
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that movie with a smile on my face the whole time.

977
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I loved it. I mean, I'm not gonna rewatch it.

978
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There are a lot of things that I was just like, Oh, okay,

979
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:15,159
I can see why everybody hated this part. Okay, yeah,

980
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:17,280
I can see where this is terrible. But I knew

981
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,800
that going in, and so knowing that going in, I

982
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,000
got to really truly enjoy this movie.

983
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Speaker 3: And I did.

984
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: I obviously have a lot of criticism of the movie,

985
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,039
because I just threw that out there for the last hour,

986
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,719
but truthfully, on my first watching of it.

987
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: I genuinely enjoyed the movie.

988
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: I thought that it was a good concept, not even

989
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:38,400
poorly executed, just with some poor decisions, but for a

990
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,280
lot of other factors that were outside the movie itself,

991
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,400
this could have been a truly great movie.

992
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 2: It could have been a great like one of the

993
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,199
best of the nineties. Yeah, okay, let's go. Let's go

994
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,800
comparison Last Action Hero to Alien three. Jeff, you love both,

995
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,199
so you're on the hot seat.

996
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,639
Speaker 4: Man, Okay, Well, you know what, I'm not gonna put

997
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,400
a lot of thought into it. I'm gonna say Last

998
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,320
Action Hero would be my choice between the two.

999
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:05,639
Speaker 2: All right. So for me, when I think back to

1000
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,880
where I was, I was very like I read Entertainment Weekly,

1001
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,320
I watched movies like crazy. I was into what was

1002
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,280
coming up on the Blockbuster movie screen for the summer.

1003
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,440
I went into Alien three expecting aliens. What I got

1004
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:20,800
was a kick in the nuts in the first three minutes.

1005
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,360
Last Action Hero. I had just seen Jurassic Park and

1006
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,480
I was expecting Terminator two, and so with that heightened expectations,

1007
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,280
what I got was like cold water in the face. Okay,

1008
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,320
So I hated both of these movies when I saw

1009
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,880
him the first time in the theater, But after rewatch,

1010
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,000
after some time has passed, after I recalibrated my expectations,

1011
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,639
Alien three still sucks balls, but Last Action Hero is

1012
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:47,440
enjoyable for what it is.

1013
00:47:48,039 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

1014
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I land on the same page as both

1015
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,360
of you, honestly rewatching, Like, I saw Alien three in

1016
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the theater, and I was young enough at the time

1017
00:47:57,679 --> 00:47:59,960
that I didn't couldn't tell you exactly what was bad.

1018
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:01,639
I just was like, this was boring. This is a

1019
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:04,239
boring movie. Didn't live up to the first two. Now

1020
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,840
that I've seen Last Action Hero and I've rewatched Alien three,

1021
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:11,320
one hundred percent, Last Action Hero is the better movie.

1022
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:15,679
Alien three is worth the watch. If you're analyzing the

1023
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,400
history of David Fincher and what he had to do

1024
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:20,599
and what he had to work with and what came

1025
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:23,400
out despite all of the obstacles that he had. But

1026
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:27,039
beyond that, other than an educational experience, it's not worth watching.

1027
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:28,800
It's not something I would pick out and watch with

1028
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,039
the kids. Last Action Hero. I would totally take this out.

1029
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:34,800
I'd say, Okay, guys, this is a movie that is

1030
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,639
full of action, and it's also full of stuff where

1031
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:39,199
they're making fun of movies that are action movies, and

1032
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,880
we would get to enjoy it for that, I would

1033
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,559
have a great time. I think all of this would

1034
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,320
have a great time. Last Action Hero definitely wins the day.

1035
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,039
Speaker 2: All right, guys, Well, we want to hear from you.

1036
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:49,320
Hit us up on Facebook, hit us up on Twitter,

1037
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,039
send us an email. Tell us what you think about

1038
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,880
Last Action Hero. Tell us what you think about Alien three. Jeff,

1039
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,119
thank you. Where can we find your your stuff? Man?

1040
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,519
Speaker 4: We are streaming on every platform, but I'll make it

1041
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:04,880
easy for you. Just head over to www dot a

1042
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,079
film by podcast dot com. You'll find links to all

1043
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,840
the streaming platforms, plus some other fun stuff.

1044
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:11,039
Speaker 2: You know.

1045
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 4: We have access to all the episodes but we're also

1046
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,039
throwing some more fun stuff, some trivia stuff for there.

1047
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:18,199
We always love talking to people on social media, so

1048
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,320
you can definitely find us on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook

1049
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,360
at a film by podcast as well.

1050
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,039
Speaker 2: One thing I went through out there real quick. We

1051
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:27,760
have a Patreon page. Jeff, you have a Patreon page.

1052
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 4: Yes, a film By does have its Patreon page as well.

1053
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,199
Speaker 2: Awesome. We now have a money back guarantee. If you

1054
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,519
come over to our Patreon page and you listen for

1055
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:39,559
one month and you don't like it, we'll send your

1056
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,639
money back, no questions asked. What do you have to lose?

1057
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,559
We got tons of great stuff over on our Patreon page.

1058
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:48,039
We just a deep dive on Kokomo. Jeff, you were

1059
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:50,199
with me when we did. There's something going on. We

1060
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,239
deep dive on one hit wonders and sort of musical anomalies.

1061
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,920
It's a lot of fun. Check us out on Patreon, and.

1062
00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:00,159
Speaker 4: I'll point out I'm not just a guest host. I'm

1063
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:03,400
also a patron. I absolutely love these episodes and I

1064
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,400
look forward to him every month.

1065
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: Thanks Mike, appreciate it. I'm a patrion of yours. I

1066
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,440
love your stuff too, man.

1067
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1068
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Speaker 4: All.

1069
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Speaker 2: Right, Well, we will be back next week. D we're

1070
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:16,960
taking a deep dive with our friend Amanda Janek. Amanda Janik,

1071
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:19,519
who has been a listener of ours, made a like

1072
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:23,039
a billboard that said, Jason and d you've got to

1073
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:27,079
go into the cure and depeche mode, and so we're

1074
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:37,440
going to do that with her next week. Rest. I

1075
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,239
remember seeing that. Wasn't that on your Facebook page? Yeah,

1076
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,719
the Shirley Facebook.

1077
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and I recognize the name because you have

1078
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,039
You've warned me Jason, like, hey, I've made some some

1079
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:47,960
comments that you felt.

1080
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Speaker 2: She's not gonna like that when you when when she.

1081
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 3: Reached out, So she was offended by your position on

1082
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,159
Greece too.

1083
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: Yes, it that's what it was. Yeah, we'll come back

1084
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,079
next week and hear the latest edition of the Shirley

1085
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:03,519
Camby Series podcast.

1086
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:05,039
Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for listening.

1087
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: So there's a whole bunch of you know, the cameos

1088
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,119
and the bloated budget. They put Last Action Hero on

1089
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:13,920
a rocket.

1090
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we forgot to mention that that's so ridiculous

1091
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,159
And the rocket didn't even take off until like the

1092
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:20,280
movie had been out for a month.

1093
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder everybody already hated it.

1094
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:24,199
Speaker 2: It failed to lunch,