WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.839 Dirty hands means clean theology. 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:04.519 Can you dig it? 3 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:09.480 What's going on? All my local guys and gals and 4 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:11.080 long distance paths? 5 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:13.039 We're back. 6 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:15.679 The raspy is bad. 7 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:21.280 That's the best I can do. I don't have that deep, 8 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:26.039 sultry Ben voice that you know you all love out there. 9 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:29.800 But but I think Ben's not with us tonight. 10 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:30.879 Yeah. 11 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:34.200 We had some technical difficulties, to say the least. We 12 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:36.280 got started like an hour and a half late with 13 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:40.000 some technical issues, and he just said, guys, I've had 14 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:40.679 a rough day. 15 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:42.159 This is all on you. 16 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:46.079 I'm hitting the. 17 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:48.079 Yeah, it's it was uh Yeah, we're behind schedule a 18 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:49.880 little bit, but that's all right. We're gonna we're gonna 19 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:53.520 push on through. Sometimes when we have those difficulties, I 20 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:57.200 think it's because something's trying to stop you from getting 21 00:00:57.200 --> 00:00:59.399 some some good nuggets out there. 22 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:01.520 Yeah, we got a pretty good show for you guys. 23 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:06.640 And it was honestly something that we got together pretty 24 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:09.879 quick because it's something we've already studied and had some 25 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:13.120 notes piled up and was kind of in the holster 26 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:15.040 ready to be pulled out with it. 27 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:20.079 Yeah, it's something that I've always thought was really interesting 28 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:24.680 and it goes back to really, I guess more for 29 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:27.239 me for high school because I went to a Lutheran 30 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:32.959 high school and they had us watch these the Left 31 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:35.560 Behind movies. And I'm not talking about the g rated 32 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:38.359 Kirk Cameron, which don't get me wrong, I love some 33 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:41.719 Kirk Cameron. But if you go back to those seventies 34 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:47.760 Left Behind movies, that's the most terrifying thing I've ever 35 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:50.439 seen in my life. I mean that was back in 36 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:53.719 that where they try to convert you by fear, a 37 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:58.959 style of the show because it was those If you've 38 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:00.799 never seen those and if if you can find them, 39 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:02.799 and I'm sure they're probably out there, so there's probably 40 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:05.959 on YouTube or something now. But you know, as far 41 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.479 as the whole New World Order and everything that goes 42 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:11.759 along with the rapture, and it's I mean, it even 43 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:14.159 talks about what you know biblically. It talks about people 44 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:18.199 losing their heads, and that's quite literally what happens in 45 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:20.759 those movies. They have a guillotine out back and if 46 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:26.039 you won't renounce Jesus, off with your head. I mean, 47 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:26.800 it's terrifying. 48 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:28.800 I haven't seen it, dude. 49 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:32.360 It will change you in ways you could be a 50 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.400 stout believer. But it's just it's it's one person's depiction, 51 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:39.759 one person's depiction of what the end days will look like. 52 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:43.759 Granted there we're going to get into it a lot here. 53 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:51.520 But there's so many different theories and ideas about, uh, 54 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:56.479 about you know, the end times and about what's going 55 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:59.639 to happen. You know, we hear about the trumpet blast. 56 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:01.960 We hear about you know, Jesus coming back down. You know, 57 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:04.479 he's coming back the same way he ascended. We hear 58 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:10.840 so many different things about this, and the problem is 59 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:13.879 is that we're taking these all from the the the 60 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:18.080 books of the Bible. You know, mainly i'd say, Daniel, 61 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:21.919 there's a little Jeremiah in there, Thessalonians, but but Revelation 62 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:27.639 where it's really the it's it's all very prophetic and 63 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:30.599 a lot of those things. You know, it's hard because 64 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:33.919 when when people read that, oh this is this is prophecy, 65 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:36.120 it's prophetic. There's a lot of symbology or you know, 66 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:39.759 symbolism here, but then they want to take certain things 67 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:43.280 very literal. It's like you can't have your you can't 68 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.400 have your ice cream and eat it too. It just 69 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:48.199 doesn't work. That way. There's so many different layers. So 70 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:50.680 if we take you know, if we take some of 71 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:54.240 these prophetic books at that face value and we take 72 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:58.240 it right there as as either literal or we take 73 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:01.080 it as prophetic, you can't really pick and choose. 74 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:06.560 And this is something too. It's you know, like hermeneutics, 75 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.719 you know, let the words say what it says, and 76 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:14.159 also put your preconceived notions in your dogma, leave it 77 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:17.199 at the door, and just give it an honest study 78 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:19.680 and look at it from all angles and just kind 79 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.439 of see, you know, what makes the most sense, you know, 80 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.920 and what does the scripture say versus what does man 81 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:31.759 say and what you've been taught. And this is another 82 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:36.160 subject where I was raised, you know, Baptist, and I 83 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.639 was raised you know, pre trip and I was taught 84 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:45.279 that my entire life. And of course, I mean I 85 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:49.560 would lack nothing more than to be out of here 86 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:52.560 watching from up above and not be a part of it. 87 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:54.360 But it's one of those things, man, when you read 88 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.920 it and study it, you know, my view on it's 89 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:58.040 changed a little bit. 90 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.639 It has, and I think I think it's important. One thing. 91 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:03.199 I think it's important for us to say and I'll 92 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:05.120 agree with you one hundred percent. Is that my view 93 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:08.120 and my belief on this is going to be different 94 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:10.480 than maybe yours, and it's gonna be different than people 95 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:13.000 that listen to this too. But I think it's really 96 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:16.920 important to dive into it yourself, look at it, really 97 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.639 read it, really see what it says, because a lot 98 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:23.040 of things that have come out of this and our 99 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:26.560 ideas of this are something that it's one other person's interpretation. 100 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:29.720 We're not taking it straight from the scripture. We're taking 101 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:33.680 it from someone saying, hey, this is a seven year tribulation. Hey, 102 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:35.399 this is going to happen at the end of this, 103 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:40.040 you know, the seventieth week of Daniel. And that's one 104 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:44.839 person's interpretation of that scripture that doesn't necessarily give you 105 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.199 there's not one certain verse that says this is going 106 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:51.480 to be seven years. It's interpretation and how people break 107 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:54.120 down that seventy years and they go back to Ezekiel, 108 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:57.439 another prophetic book, and then they break down and say, well, 109 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.120 you know, a year is equal to a day, and 110 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:03.720 so they break it down from there. So they're going 111 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.360 back and forth through books, different prophetic books written by 112 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:09.079 different people and trying to connect things, and I think 113 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:10.800 it's important to try to connect things. But at the 114 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:16.279 same time, I really think that you have to look 115 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.319 at it for yourself, because if we just take everybody's 116 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:23.160 word for everything, it's we've seen already and the things 117 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:27.279 that we've talked about that it is not always at 118 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:29.800 face value. And when we look at the big picture, 119 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:32.199 in that divine worldview that we talk about the Divine 120 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:39.720 World Council, you see that that view was suppressed for 121 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.360 hundreds of years. You know, we go back far enough. 122 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:45.600 You see the supernatural in the Bible, but that gets 123 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:51.399 suppressed because people want to hold the idea that that 124 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:53.759 that these angelic beings and other things. You know, we 125 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:58.759 talk about Satan all these these these other deities, and 126 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:02.160 I lose I use Satan at loose terminology. If you 127 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.079 haven't listened to the Derek Gilbert episode on the Lucifer 128 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:06.720 and Satan, I think that's a pretty good one for 129 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:08.800 you to go listen to. But when you look back 130 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:12.560 at all these you see that we're taking you know, 131 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:16.480 maybe it's early Church Father's interpretation. Maybe it's we're looking 132 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:20.519 at John Kelvin, or we're looking at Martin Luther and 133 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:26.519 how they changed the viewpoints that we hold and based 134 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:31.680 on our denominations or based on what your church ascribes to, 135 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:33.839 and we can't all be right. 136 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.279 Well, before we get any too deeper, let's sorry, back 137 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:42.680 it up and we'll go ahead and open up in prayer. 138 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:44.399 You got it or my turn? 139 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:47.720 I got it all right, Dear Lord, thank you for 140 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.480 everything you've giving us. Thank you for letting us be 141 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:54.959 here tonight. Please help us reach out and reach that 142 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:57.160 one person that needs to hear your word, Lord, and 143 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:01.399 help us create some kind of conversation or some fire 144 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.800 that someone really wants to dig into your word and 145 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:10.160 really find the truth for themselves. Use your word as 146 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:12.360 a way to speak to others, and help us be 147 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:14.759 a mouthpiece for you, Lord. And then your name, we pray. 148 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:21.399 Amen, Amen. Well, I guess to start off with, if you. 149 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:25.759 Were to define rapture, I look that up. You know 150 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:31.040 the North American definition, you know, according to some you 151 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:34.600 know Millennium teaching is you know, it's the transporting of 152 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:38.720 believers to heaven at the second Coming of Christ. You know, 153 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:43.480 thousands of Christians gathered outside Rochester and other cities awaiting 154 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:48.159 the rapture as an example. And what's crazy. Is this 155 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:53.679 is this word derives from the French and medieval Latin raptura, 156 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.279 which it means seizing, you know, or rapture, the carrying off. 157 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:00.440 You know, this was in like the late sixteenth entry, 158 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.639 and then in English he goes to wrapt you know, 159 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:06.399 it's like the root word. But the mentions of it 160 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:11.279 were at its highest in the eighteen hundreds, and then 161 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:13.360 when you get to eighteen fifty, it slopes down to 162 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:18.200 about halfway nineteen ninety, another halfway down. Nineteen fifty it 163 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:21.000 was at its all time low, but then it started 164 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:23.360 to curve back up around two thousand and you know, 165 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:27.720 ten to twenty and fourteen, but it's still nowhere near 166 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:30.360 where it was at during the eighteen hundreds. 167 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.600 But this is I think it's important. Like I said 168 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.799 that we look at this and we always say that 169 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:42.639 from the scriptural context, and once again we're taking a 170 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:46.279 person's you know, interpretation, and that's like you guys, taking 171 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:49.120 us what we're saying right here as scriptural gold. And 172 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:52.080 that's that's not how it is. Our whole thing right 173 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.000 here is to get you to look into things, is 174 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:57.799 get you to question things and to really dive into 175 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:02.519 your Bible, let God speak to you, because because if 176 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:05.480 you just take one man's word for it, if you 177 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:08.720 just listen to one person, say oh, well they got 178 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:11.240 it figured out, so I don't have to that's where 179 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:12.879 people get lost a lot of times. 180 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:14.759 This is just our interpretation. 181 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.039 This is our interpretation. But at the same time, you 182 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:19.240 could and we've looked at a bunch of different people's 183 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:22.240 the way that they've portrayed it. 184 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.279 And formed our own opinion and formed our own opinion. 185 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:28.600 But at the same time, you could do the same 186 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.240 thing and that and and I will say this and this, 187 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:33.240 and I don't like to be a spoiler at the 188 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:35.000 beginning of an episode, but I'm gonna. 189 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:35.399 Have to say it. 190 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:41.759 I still say it. Michael Heiser said, this question will 191 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:45.360 never be answered until it happens. Michael Heiser said that, 192 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:48.639 he said he's looked into this forever and he said 193 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:53.039 it's something that can never be answered at face value. 194 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:55.519 Well, even Paul said, you know, this is a mystery. 195 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.799 It is a mystery. And so we're talking this stuff 196 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:02.799 is is going to be based on our interpretation of 197 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:04.519 the scripture. It's going to be based on and the 198 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:07.799 way that we view this and what we read, and 199 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:11.000 my opinion changed a lot just by getting into this 200 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:14.720 because the same as Justin, I was raised Lutheran, and 201 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:17.120 you know, most of the time it's very pre trib 202 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:20.879 where you think that we're going to be and maybe 203 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.120 we should, maybe we should go into the definitions of 204 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:26.679 the different ideology of certain people before we get too far. 205 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:29.039 Yeah, and we'll get there with the different ones. But 206 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:33.279 I didn't know this. But do you know where pre 207 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:38.480 tribulation theology and dispensationalism came from? The start point? 208 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:41.440 I'm listening, okay, And. 209 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:44.320 This is a I got this pulled off from. I 210 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.039 can't remember the source. I looked it up online, but 211 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:50.799 it said that this didn't exist before the nineteenth century. 212 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:56.080 Around eighteen twenty, you know, was the most common time 213 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:57.279 of the conception. 214 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:57.440 They believe. 215 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:00.639 But it began during a revival in skull Stland a 216 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:04.600 teenage girl named McDonald who claimed to have a vision 217 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:08.759 of a pre tribulation rapture. And then a reverend, a 218 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:13.120 famous one named Darby, happened to be there who he 219 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.000 really latched on this idea. This man was one of 220 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:20.120 the founders of Plymouth Brethren denomination and began to preach 221 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:23.320 this theology. Darby took this teaching with him to the 222 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:26.240 United States and the founding of the New World. He 223 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:29.559 came in contact with the Billy Graham of that day, 224 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:33.039 which was Dwight L. Moody, founder of the Moody Bible 225 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:37.320 Institute and the Moody Press. Moody became the worldwide distributor 226 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:41.240 of this theology. Many novels were written holding to this idea, 227 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:46.360 one called Jesus's Coming. Then we have the Schofield Reference Bible. 228 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:49.519 This was the first of its kind to have headings 229 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:53.759 in the Biblical text. Jesus Predicts the Rapture was a 230 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:57.639 famous heading there in Matthew twenty four. They planted these 231 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:58.879 beliefs into the Bible. 232 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:00.919 So this started with a. 233 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:04.320 Vision from a teenage girl in Scotland at a revival. 234 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.399 You know, this was something that was repeated enough until 235 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.399 it was believed, and scripture was twisted to fit people's 236 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:17.120 preconceived notions. So this all started with a teenage girl 237 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:19.759 at a revival in Scotland that said she had a 238 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:23.879 vision from an angel of a pre tribulation rapture. 239 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.559 Once again, like I said, we're taking and it's funny 240 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:31.960 if you look back and you can look through even 241 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:35.320 people who weren't necessarily Christians at the time, but Josephus 242 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.799 or Asebius or you go through all these other church fathers, 243 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:44.720 and we've adopted so much of their ideologies and just 244 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:50.159 made them doctrine. But it's based on their interpretation, and 245 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:54.919 we're taking that one person's interpretation to heart if we 246 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:59.200 aren't reaching out, praying and praying for that discernment and 247 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:04.120 reaching and reaching towards God's word and looking into these things. 248 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:06.840 And I'm not saying to not take the word of 249 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:09.639 some other people to some degree, but you you test 250 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:12.759 the spirits, test what you're hearing, Yeah, because you can't 251 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:15.440 just take something at face value. If I told you 252 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:18.360 the sky was falling today, you're not. You're gonna look 253 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.480 at me like, eh. But if if Martin Luther said 254 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:24.960 this guy you know, or who's a good example, if 255 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:28.840 we go back to Tertullian, Tertullian, he said the sky 256 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:31.960 is gonna fall in you know, twenty twenty three, everybody 257 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:33.360 be like, ooh, now we got to be on the 258 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:35.080 edge of our seats, you know, y two k or 259 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.120 something of the all these different things were you know, 260 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:40.679 no stradamis we believe what these you know, not we, 261 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:43.159 but people in general have believed a lot of what 262 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:46.879 these people say based on just their interpretation of events. 263 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:52.679 And it's not it's not unfortunately, it's their interpretation of scripture, 264 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.440 but there's not something specific that truly says. And it 265 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:58.759 is a lot of interpretation, and it's a lot of 266 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:01.120 trickle down because you see things that are translated a 267 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:03.120 certain way into the Greek and that are translated a 268 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:07.159 different way into the Latin. We talked about the Latin 269 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.080 vulgate and how you were just talking about that with 270 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:15.639 the Latin, how that that terminology changed, and it it is, 271 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:20.480 it's really unsettling. I guess the more I look at 272 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:23.039 how much that mask I think has been pulled over 273 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:26.600 a lot of people's eyes because we have just allowed 274 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:30.159 and this is a little off point, but that we've 275 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.080 allowed a lot of these things to change our doctrine. 276 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:35.480 And if we look across you know, if we go 277 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:39.080 back to the to Jesus talking to Peter and saying 278 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.840 on this rock, I will build my church. He didn't 279 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:43.919 say all my different churches. He didn't say all my 280 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:48.840 different denominations. He said my church. We have so many 281 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:53.200 differences in our ideologies and our theologies based on the 282 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:54.799 fact that we go to a church that we just 283 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.000 believe that whoever started that denomination, we just felt that 284 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:00.919 they were right. But you're not looking into it yourself. 285 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:04.320 And I think that's a big problem, and a lot 286 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:06.919 of the stuff we look into. Don't take what we 287 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:09.639 say right at phase value. Don't say, oh, they're right, 288 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:13.639 look into it yourself. This is what we saw when 289 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:16.240 we looked into it. Our whole point is to get 290 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:17.799 you to dig into it yourself. 291 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.879 Amen. And we mentioned the mystery. 292 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:25.799 You know, that's First Corinthians, chapter fifteen, forty nine through 293 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:26.399 fifty five. 294 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:28.480 Just as we. 295 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:32.080 Born, we were born in the image of man of dust, 296 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:35.720 we shall also bear the image of Man of heaven. 297 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:38.960 I tell you this brother's flesh and blood cannot inherit 298 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:44.320 the Kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, 299 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:48.279 I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, 300 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.600 but we shall all be changed in a moment, in 301 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:55.720 the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet, For 302 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.440 the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, 303 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.559 and we shall be changed. For this parishalull body must 304 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:07.359 put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put 305 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:12.160 on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable and 306 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.440 the mortal puts on the immortality, then shall come to 307 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.880 pass the saying that is written, death is swallowed up 308 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:23.279 in victory and old death. Where is your victory and 309 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:28.200 old death? Where is your sting? So you know, just 310 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:30.319 like in our intro, you know, it's the glory of 311 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:32.559 God to conceal a thing, but the glory of Kings 312 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.240 to search things out. And that's just that's what we 313 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:36.920 are attempting to do here today. 314 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:40.480 Yeah, that's what we attempt to do every day before 315 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:42.440 we're doing this, and honestly, you should attempt to do 316 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.960 that every time you're reading your Bible. We talk about 317 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:47.240 that in the beginning. You know, it's that the glory 318 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:50.480 of God to conceal things and the glory of Kings 319 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:55.799 to search things out. And there's you know, I guess 320 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:57.880 jumping in, I guess jumping in a little bit to 321 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:03.079 the different type of ideologies that a lot of these 322 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.240 different either denominations or sects of the church have. You know, 323 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:09.240 you have your pre trib which is what I was 324 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:15.000 raised as you have a mid trib When I say trib, 325 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:17.640 I'm saying mid tribulations. So we're talking about the rapture 326 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:20.559 during the tribulation, when is it gonna happen. So if 327 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:23.880 we say pre trib we're saying before those seven years, 328 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.000 nothing bad's gonna happen to us. Us believers are taken up, 329 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.200 and all the bad things are gonna happen after we leave, which, 330 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.319 like you said, sounds phenomenal. I would love that to happen, 331 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:35.359 and it's not outside the realm of possibility, but from 332 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:37.839 what I read, and well, we'll get in there further. 333 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.799 But then you have mid trib which is first three 334 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:43.799 and a half years. Once again, we're going off that 335 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:48.880 seven years that has been interpreted from from Daniel. 336 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:50.400 Yeah, the seventy weeks. 337 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:53.480 Just seventy weeks, and that's what it's been interpreted from, which, 338 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:55.759 once again, I think it's interesting that it's the number 339 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:57.559 seven again, which usually just means. 340 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:00.599 Completion, means judgment, yes, exactly. 341 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:05.079 So the fact that we're sometimes taking the prophetic word 342 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:08.480 very literal, and then other times we take the prophetic 343 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:11.720 word as just oh, it's just symbolic the seventy nations. 344 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:14.519 We're good with the seventy nations as meaning all of them. 345 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:17.720 But then when we talk about the seventy weeks, No, 346 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:19.680 we're going to break down and do math here because 347 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:22.319 we have to figure out. People have a desire to 348 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:25.519 know when this is going to happen. They want to know. 349 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:28.000 They want to be like, hey, I'm gonna have everything, 350 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:29.640 I'm gonna have all my ducks in a row when 351 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:33.440 that's gonna happen. But the problem is it says he'll 352 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:35.480 come like a thief in the night. No one will 353 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:38.240 know the day or the hour. And Jesus even said 354 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:40.960 I don't even know. Only my father in Heaven knows. 355 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:43.119 And see, and that goes back to even being was 356 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:45.400 talking about. That was something that he wanted to talk about, 357 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:49.279 you know, was the the culture of the Jewish people 358 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:52.759 and with the marriage contracts, you know how that referred 359 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.160 back to that. You know, because you took the cup, 360 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:59.160 presented it, you took a drink, you presented it to 361 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:01.680 the bride. If she accepted, she drank it, then you're 362 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:03.759 in covenant together. That's kind of like what we were 363 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:07.400 seeing at the Last Supper. But then, uh, the green 364 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:11.200 would go away and prepare a place for the woman. 365 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:14.720 And he might thought the house was done and he 366 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:16.680 was ready to go, but no, he could not go 367 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:20.319 till the Father gave the blessing and said now it's time. 368 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.880 So that was another reference there when Jesus was saying, 369 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:25.920 you know, you know, even I don't know, only the 370 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:29.200 Father knows the time. So that was like another you know, 371 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:31.920 marriage contract, you know, little tidbit. 372 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:35.440 Yeah, and then we we obviously keep going through and 373 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:41.799 we have the post tribulation idea where you go through 374 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:46.759 the whole uh you know, the whole tribulation period, and 375 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:49.039 then then your rapture, but you return with Jesus at 376 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:51.920 the second coming or read about that time. And then 377 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:55.599 it says there's there's also well there's also the pre 378 00:20:55.680 --> 00:21:00.799 wrath notion where and like you said earlier, we talked 379 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.559 about this a little bit before. That kinda to some 380 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:08.599 degree coincides with the with the mid tribulation. However, pre 381 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:18.200 wrath is and there's some some references to to the 382 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:21.319 the time of Jacob's trouble, and I think that's back 383 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:24.279 in Jeremiah, if I'm correct, I have that verse or 384 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:28.720 it says alas this is this is Jeremiah thirty seventh 385 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:30.920 through nine is alas that day is so great there 386 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:33.440 is none like it. It will be a time of 387 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.400 distress for Jacob, yet he shall be saved out of it, 388 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:39.039 and it shall come to pass in that day, declares 389 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:41.279 the Lord of Hosts, that I will break his yoke 390 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:43.640 from off your neck, and I will burst your bonds. 391 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:46.799 And foreigners will no more make a servant of him, 392 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.519 but they shall serve the Lord their god, and David 393 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:53.119 their king, whom I will raise up for them. So 394 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:58.440 talking about that, that that final judgment, that pre wrath. 395 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.839 So when we talk about that, we're saying it's after 396 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:06.519 that midway section, because the beginning of it is is 397 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:08.559 is the beginning of that section will be more that 398 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:12.319 Satan's wrath right where where that's being loosed on us, 399 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:17.799 and then God's wrath is the ultimate judgment at the end. Bold, Yes, exactly, 400 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:21.759 And that's what anybody who's pre wrath believes it will 401 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:24.640