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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomie podcast. Each episode offers a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>slumber under the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're looking for the most efficient shortcut to being

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<v Speaker 2>fully informed on the cutting edge of science, you were

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<v Speaker 2>in the right place. We take the source material, a

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<v Speaker 2>breaking study, a massive data dump, and we just we

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<v Speaker 2>distill it down into the core fascinating insights you need.

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<v Speaker 3>And today we are undertaking a bit of a cosmic exploration.

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<v Speaker 3>We're looking at a world that has for decades really

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<v Speaker 3>represented our greatest hope for finding life beyond Earth, at

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<v Speaker 3>least in our own solar system.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about Jupiter's spectacular ice covered moon, Europa exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>Europa is I mean, it's an absolute magnet for speculation,

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<v Speaker 2>and for really good reason. Jupiter, the gas giant, it

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<v Speaker 2>Shepper's nearly one hundred boons. It's an astronomical number.

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<v Speaker 3>Truly, it is a whole solar system in itself.

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<v Speaker 2>But Europa just stands out completely. The consensus among planetary

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<v Speaker 2>scientists is that it harbors this vast global ocean of

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<v Speaker 2>liquid salt water, and it's completely hidden beneath an icy excurior.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a true water world, and it's isolated from the

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<v Speaker 3>Sun's energy, which makes it well the ultimate enigma.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the ultimate enigma. Yeah, but that potential for life,

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<v Speaker 2>for habitability, it's always hinge on one single critical question.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not simply does Europa have water, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we're highly confident that it does.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, absolutely, the evidence for the ocean is very strong.

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<v Speaker 3>The real question, the one that matters, is does it

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<v Speaker 3>have the dynamic energy that life needs to actually arise

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<v Speaker 3>and sustain itself within that.

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<v Speaker 2>Water And that distinction that is the absolute core of

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<v Speaker 2>our analysis today. Yeah, the difference between just having the

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<v Speaker 2>liquid the solve and having the active chemical engine. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>we're pulling insights from a brand new peer reviewed study

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<v Speaker 2>who was just published in the journal Nature Communications. This

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<v Speaker 2>research it was led by Paul Byrne at Washington University

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<v Speaker 2>in Saint Louis, and they looked past the water itself.

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<v Speaker 2>They focused intensely on the geology.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the seafloor, and their findings are well, they're significant.

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<v Speaker 3>They suggest we might need to radically recalibrate our expectations

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<v Speaker 3>about Europa. The team used physics and some really detailed

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<v Speaker 3>geological modeling to pour what you might call cold water

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<v Speaker 3>part in the stellar pun.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, Yeah, I was waiting for that one on.

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<v Speaker 3>The long held excitement about Europa's potential to support life,

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<v Speaker 3>at least life on its ocean floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's unpack this. What this new study is suggesting

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<v Speaker 2>is that the bottom of that vast ocean, maybe one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred kilometers deep, is geologically.

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<v Speaker 3>Silent, silent, static inert and that's silence.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if the modeling holds true, that is a

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<v Speaker 2>catastrophic problem for any life that relies on chemical energy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a huge problem. And the credibility of this work

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<v Speaker 3>is it's very high. This isn't just speculation. It's published

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<v Speaker 3>in a top tier journal and it's grounded in meticulous calculations.

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<v Speaker 3>They're combining known physical facts about Europa.

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<v Speaker 2>It's density, its size, how it orbits Jupiter, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Of that, and they combine it with detailed inferences drawn

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<v Speaker 3>from how small rocky bodies behave, you know, including Earth

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<v Speaker 3>and our own moon. The team Burn and his colleagues,

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<v Speaker 3>they focused all their energy on that often overlooked part

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<v Speaker 3>of the puzzle, the seafloor.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is exactly where we need to start. We

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<v Speaker 2>are diving down past the ice, past the ocean, right

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<v Speaker 2>to the bottom. So let's establish the scale of this

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<v Speaker 2>place for you, the listener. Let's call this first part

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<v Speaker 2>the anatomy of a water world.

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<v Speaker 3>It really helps to visualize it. First, Europa. It's actually

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<v Speaker 3>it's quite modest in size, a little bit smaller in

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<v Speaker 3>diameter than our own moon, right, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd think smaller world.

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<v Speaker 3>Less stuff, you would, But that scale is completely deceptive

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<v Speaker 3>because its structure, how it's built, gives it this disproportionate

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<v Speaker 3>immense volume of water.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is staggering. I read that if you could

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<v Speaker 2>somehow gather all the liquid water on Earth, all our oceans, lakes, rivers,

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<v Speaker 2>ice caps, everything, everything, Europa is modeled to hold more

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<v Speaker 2>water than all of it combined, and the moon itself

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<v Speaker 2>is just a fraction of Earth's mass. That just blows

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<v Speaker 3>It's why the volume is so immense, and it's why

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<v Speaker 3>this little moon has always held such promise that volume

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<v Speaker 3>is organized into three, three distinct layers.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's start at the top.

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<v Speaker 3>First, you have the ceiling, the ice shell. Current estimates

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<v Speaker 3>they put that shield of ice at somewhere between fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>and twenty five kilometers thick.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifteen to twenty five kilometers. That is a colossal barrier

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<v Speaker 2>between the surface and anything below it.

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<v Speaker 3>An incredible barrier. Then beneath that shield lies the ocean itself,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not some shallow sea. We're talking about a

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<v Speaker 3>depth of up to one hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Kilometers one hundred kilometers deep, I mean, just from perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>that's ten times deeper than the Marianna's Trench, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the deepest point we have here on Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely it covers the entire Moon. And then finally, beneath

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<v Speaker 3>that immense volume of salty liquid water, that's where you

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<v Speaker 3>find the third layer, a rocky core. It's analogous to

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<v Speaker 3>the silicate rock mantle and core of Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have the fundamental building blocks. You have liquid

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<v Speaker 2>water and you.

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<v Speaker 3>Have rock, the two main ingredients.

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<v Speaker 2>But as you put it out earlier, having water and

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<v Speaker 2>rock is what two thirds of the equation you need energy,

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<v Speaker 2>So what makes that rock water interface, that seafloor so

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely essential for life in this dark, sunless environment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is key. We have to completely move past

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<v Speaker 3>the Earth based idea of photosynthesis. I mean, in a cold,

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<v Speaker 3>dark deep sea environment like that, life can't rely on

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<v Speaker 3>to rely on chemical energy. It's a process we call chemototrophy.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have examples of this on Earth. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to think about those incredible, almost alien looking deep sea ecosystems.

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<v Speaker 2>We've discovered, the ones cluster miles beneath the surface, completely

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<v Speaker 2>cut off from the light exactly. We're talking about those

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<v Speaker 2>giant tube worms, the colossal clams, all those specialized microbial

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<v Speaker 2>mats living in total darkness.

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<v Speaker 3>And those organisms they're not living off the sun. They

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<v Speaker 3>are living off Earth's internal geological engine. That engine, it's

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<v Speaker 3>driven by tectonic motion and volcanic activity, and it manifests

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<v Speaker 3>as hydrothermal vents or ex smokers, the black smokers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>What happens is cold ocean water seeps down into the crust,

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<v Speaker 3>it encounters these superheated magma chambers and it gets chemically altered.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cooked, so it picks up all sorts of minerals

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<v Speaker 3>It does, and that water then shoots back out through

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<v Speaker 3>these vents at extremely high temperatures, carrying this rich chemical.

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<v Speaker 2>Soup with it, and it's that superheated plume, that chemical

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<v Speaker 2>disequilibrium that is the literal catalyst for life.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the perfect word for it, catalyst. The water coming

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<v Speaker 3>out of those vents is rich in compounds like hydrogen sulfide,

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<v Speaker 3>iron sulfides, methane, manganese, all these things that my microbes can.

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<v Speaker 2>Well eat, they can metabolize it.

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<v Speaker 3>And metabolize it. These compounds, especially hydrogen sulfide, provide the

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<v Speaker 3>energy needed to kickstart and sustain microbial life at the

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<v Speaker 3>absolute base of the food chain. The microbes consume those chemicals,

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<v Speaker 3>and then everything else in that ecosystem consumes the microbes.

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<v Speaker 2>So without that active geology, without that mechanism for energy

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<v Speaker 2>cycling and chemical.

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<v Speaker 3>Injection, then even one hundred kilometer deep ocean becomes a vast, cold,

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<v Speaker 3>inert volume. It's just water and rock with no spark.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where that Burn study just hit so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>They looked at the Earth analogy and they calculated the

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<v Speaker 2>odds of Europa providing those vents, and burn was very clear.

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<v Speaker 2>When he presented his team's conclusion, he said, and this

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<v Speaker 2>really drives the point home. If we could explore that

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<v Speaker 2>ocean with a remote control submarine, we predict we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>see any new fractures, active volcanoes, or plumes of hot

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<v Speaker 2>water on the seafloor.

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<v Speaker 3>And the implication of that statement is immediate and it's profound.

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<v Speaker 3>If the seafloor is quiet, just like the model suggests,

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<v Speaker 3>then there's no mechanism for cycling necessary nutrients from the

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<v Speaker 3>rocky core up into the.

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<v Speaker 2>Water, and no way to provide that vital thermal energy.

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<v Speaker 3>None the energy required to sustain a deep sea chemo

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<v Speaker 3>autotrophic ecosystem just isn't there. The lack of geologic activity

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<v Speaker 3>at that vital rock water boundary, it essentially means the

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<v Speaker 3>available energy is negligible. The ocean floor might as well

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<v Speaker 3>be a geologically dead zone.

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<v Speaker 2>But wait, I have to stop you on that point

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<v Speaker 2>before we pivot to the calculation itself. Is it possible

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<v Speaker 2>that just the fact that there is a rock water

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<v Speaker 2>interface and that the water is salty, is that enough

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<v Speaker 2>to produce some chemistry even without the big dramatic vents.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a crucial question.

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<v Speaker 2>Could in simple rock dissolution or reactions between the salt

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<v Speaker 2>and the silicates produce some energy, even a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a crucial point, and it moves us into a

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<v Speaker 3>realm of let's call it lower energy life support. And

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<v Speaker 3>yes it's possible, but the challenge there is immense Simple

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<v Speaker 3>water rock reactions they happen everywhere, but they are incredibly slow, diffuse,

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<v Speaker 3>very diffuse, and they don't release a lot of energy.

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<v Speaker 3>Hydrothermal vents, on the other hand, driven by active tectonics

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<v Speaker 3>and volcanism, they create an intense, localized disequilibrium, a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>dramatic injection of heat and chemicals. That's what allows life

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<v Speaker 3>to thrive rapids accentrated source exactly. The Burn's study is

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<v Speaker 3>primarily arguing that Europa lacks that powerful engine, the one

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<v Speaker 3>that creates these high energy oases. So without that strong

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<v Speaker 3>geological motor, any chemistry that does occur would be spread

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<v Speaker 3>so thin, so slowly that it might not be enough

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<v Speaker 3>to initiate or sustain a thriving ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes perfect sense. We're not just looking for a

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<v Speaker 2>low energy trickle here, We're looking for the powerhouse, the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that creates a concentrated biological starting point. So the

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<v Speaker 2>big question is how do they reach this quiet conclusion.

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<v Speaker 2>This brings us to the scientific heart of the study,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the physics and the calculation itself. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it. Where did the heat go?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely the researchers, they relied on some really fundamental planetary

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<v Speaker 3>physics and gravitational modeling. They had to figure out whether

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<v Speaker 3>Europa possesses enough internal heat to cause that significant motion

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<v Speaker 3>required for say, plate tectonics or volcanism at the seafloor.

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<v Speaker 2>And they looked at two main heat sources.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, two main sources. Yes, The first is the internal

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<v Speaker 3>furnace residual heat, the heat left over from when the

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<v Speaker 3>Moon first formed.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so source number one. Why is Earth's core still

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<v Speaker 2>blazing hot billions of years later? Yet Europa's core is

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<v Speaker 2>predicted to be, you know, thermally inert.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a classic example of how scale, just sheer size

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<v Speaker 3>affects how a planet cools over cosmic time. Imagine you

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<v Speaker 3>have a small cup of hot coffee versus a massive

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<v Speaker 3>insulated urn of coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm waiting.

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<v Speaker 3>They both start out hot, but the small cup. Because

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<v Speaker 3>it has a low mass to surface area ratio, it

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<v Speaker 3>loses its heat very very quickly to the surrounding air.

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<v Speaker 2>Right it cools down in minutes. And Earth is the

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<v Speaker 2>That radioactive decay acts like a long term, slow burning

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. It's what sustains the convection in our mantle and

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<v Speaker 2>But Europer, being comparable in size to our own moon,

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, Euroba simply lacks the thermal mass to hold on

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<v Speaker 3>to that primorbial heat for very long. The sheer volume

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<v Speaker 3>Burn and his team they calculated that any heat that

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<v Speaker 2>Radiating away through the crust and.

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<v Speaker 3>The ocean billions of years ago. So by the time

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<v Speaker 2>We can scratch off residual planetary heat that's not driving

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<v Speaker 3>From Jupiter itself. From Jupiter, and this is where we

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<v Speaker 3>tidal heating. This is a kinetic energy source. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>mechanical flexing and friction that's generated by Jupiter's immense gravity,

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<v Speaker 3>and that force is strong enough to keep a moon

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<v Speaker 2>Here's where the physics gets incredibly powerful and really where

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between life and no life just hangs in

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<v Speaker 3>The tail of two moons exactly the Io Europa contrast is.

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<v Speaker 3>Io is quite literally the most volcanically active body we

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<v Speaker 2>And that phenomenal activity is one hundred percent driven by tidal.

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<v Speaker 3>Heating one hundred percent. But it's not just from Jupiter's

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So explain that asymmetry for us. What makes EO's

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<v Speaker 3>EO is the innermost of Jupiter's four large Gallean moons,

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<v Speaker 3>and crucially, its orbit is not a perfect circle. We

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<v Speaker 2>And why is that? Why hasn't it settled down?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this eccentricity is maintained by a complex gravitational dance,

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<v Speaker 3>a resonance with Europa and Ganymede, It's two outer neighbors.

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<v Speaker 3>As these moons past each other in their orbits, they

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<v Speaker 3>give Io a periodic gravitational tug, a little nudge, And.

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<v Speaker 2>That little tug is enough to prevent Io from settling

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<v Speaker 2>into a nice, stable circular path. It keeps it wobbly.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly because its orbit is elliptical or oval shaped. Io

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<v Speaker 3>is constantly moving a little closer to Jupiter, and then

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<v Speaker 3>a little further away. When it's close to that gas giant,

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<v Speaker 3>the gravitational poll is extreme. When it's further away, the

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<v Speaker 3>pool relaxes a bit. This constant differential and uneven tugging

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<v Speaker 3>it subjects EO to intense cyclical stress.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like taking a rigid stress ball and just continuously

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<v Speaker 2>squeezing and relaxing at thousands and thousands of times a year.

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<v Speaker 2>The friction generated inside must be immense.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a perfect analogy. The immense constant friction generated by

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<v Speaker 3>this physical deformation, this tidal flexing is what converts kinetic

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<v Speaker 3>crust so intensely that the Moon's interior is largely molten, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Io is truly alive because of Jupiter's intense asymmetrical gravitational

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so now let's turn to Europa. This is where

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<v Speaker 2>the Burn study focuses most powerful calculations. What happens when

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<v Speaker 2>you apply that same physics to Europa's position and its

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Europa's story is fundamentally different, while it is also

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<v Speaker 3>tidally heated. I mean, if it weren't, the ocean wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>Right, That's a key point. There is some heating.

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<v Speaker 3>There is some heating, absolutely, but its orbital parameters are

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<v Speaker 3>just far more moderate. For one, Europa is further away

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<v Speaker 3>from Jupiter than Io is, and critically, its orbit is

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<v Speaker 2>So the stability that makes Europa's journey predictable is paradoxically

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<v Speaker 2>the very thing that keeps its internal geological engine from

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<v Speaker 3>That's the key finding of the study. The gravitational tug

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<v Speaker 3>on Europa is much gentler, and it's much more symmetrical

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<v Speaker 3>than it is on Io. This gentler poll does cause flexing,

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<v Speaker 3>but the crucial differentiation that the Burn team made is

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<v Speaker 3>of the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we need to nail this distinction down for the listener.

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<v Speaker 2>What part of Europa is getting heated and what part

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<v Speaker 2>is staying cold.

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<v Speaker 3>So the calculation suggests that the tidal forces are strong

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<v Speaker 3>enough to cause significant movement and friction within the outer

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<v Speaker 3>ice shell, the ceiling, the ceiling. Yes, this is why

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<v Speaker 3>we believe the ice shell is dynamic. It cracks, it refreezes,

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<v Speaker 3>it might have plumes shooting out. This flexing in the

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<v Speaker 3>ice is what generates enough heat to melt the water

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<v Speaker 3>below the ice, and that's what maintains that one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the easy part of the equation. The heat

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<v Speaker 2>keeps the ocean liquid.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the easy part. The tough part is the rocky core,

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<v Speaker 3>which is sitting one hundred kilometers beneath the ocean, the

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<v Speaker 3>rock water boundary exactly. The calculation suggests that the energy

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<v Speaker 3>required to melt a fifteen to twenty five kilometer ice

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<v Speaker 3>shell is vastly, vastly less than the energy required to

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<v Speaker 3>induce tectonic pleat motion and volcanic activity in a massive,

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a different physical problem.

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<v Speaker 3>A completely different problem. Europe's orbital stability means the differential

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<v Speaker 3>is minimal. There just isn't enough friction being generated at

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<v Speaker 3>that depth to sustain the high temperatures or the convection

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<v Speaker 3>currents that you would need to drive seaford geology.

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<v Speaker 2>So, in essence, the heat generated by Jupiter's pull is localized.

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<v Speaker 2>It's concentrated in the elastic layers, the ice, in the

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<v Speaker 2>liquid water, and it just dissipates before it can effectively

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<v Speaker 2>fire up the planet's deep internal systems.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, the core remains cold and inert.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the precise verdict on tidal heating.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the forces today are simply not strong enough

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<v Speaker 3>that rock water boundary. The energy budget for geological activity

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<v Speaker 3>is just insufficient. As Burn noted, we don't see any

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<v Speaker 3>volcano shooting out of the ice today like we see

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<v Speaker 3>on Io, and that's because the engine required to produce

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<v Speaker 3>those intense geological events is, for all intents and purposes

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<v Speaker 3>switched off.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a staggering conclusion and is drawn purely from physics.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've established that the residual heat from formation is

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<v Speaker 2>long gone and the current dynamic heat source tidal flexing,

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<v Speaker 2>is too gentle to reach the core. This leads us

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly into the big so wet If the physics tell

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<v Speaker 2>us that the sea floor is cold, and silent. What

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<v Speaker 2>does a geologically quiet ocean actually mean for life? This

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<v Speaker 2>is where we analyze the implication.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is where we synthesize the findings and apply

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<v Speaker 3>them directly to that core question of habitability. The conclusion

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<v Speaker 3>from the Nature Communication study is stark. Europa likely lacks

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<v Speaker 3>tectonic motion, It lacks warm hydrothermal vents, and therefore it

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<v Speaker 3>lacks the robust cycling mechanisms that are required to create

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<v Speaker 3>and sustain a vibrant ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a vast, dark, cold world at the bottom, despite

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<v Speaker 2>the incredible volume of water that's sitting above it.

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<v Speaker 3>And if the seafloor is inert, that essential link that's

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<v Speaker 3>required to support deep sea life is broken. Let's just

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<v Speaker 3>reiterate why that cycling mechanism is so critical. On Earth,

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<v Speaker 3>the deep ocean is, for the most part, a chemical.

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<v Speaker 2>Desert, right, There's not much going on, not much.

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<v Speaker 3>At all, except where geological forces provide a massive concentrated

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<v Speaker 3>influx of nutrients and energy from below.

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<v Speaker 2>So if Europa lacks those vents, what are the remaining

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<v Speaker 2>sources of chemistry available to that one hundred kilometer devotion.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we have to consider every single possibility, no

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<v Speaker 3>We essentially have two possibilities left, and both of them

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<v Speaker 3>are what i'd call low energy options compared to hydrothermal vents.

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<v Speaker 3>The first is, as you mentioned earlier, that slow water rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Interaction, the trickling background chemistry.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is very diffuse and likely way too slow to

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<v Speaker 3>support a concentrated food web. And the second possible source

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<v Speaker 3>must come from the top, from the ice itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what do you mean.

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<v Speaker 3>The surface of Europa is constantly being zapped by Jupiter's

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<v Speaker 3>intense radiation field. The Moon is sitting inside these powerful

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<v Speaker 3>radiation belts, and this bombardment of energetic particles, it breaks

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<v Speaker 3>up water molecules on the surface, and it creates other

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<v Speaker 3>compounds right exactly, things like oxygen, hydrogen, peroxide, and various

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<v Speaker 3>sulfur compounds. So you have all these chemical oxidants sitting

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<v Speaker 3>right there on the surface, essentially frozen into the ice shell.

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<v Speaker 2>I see. So the theory is that if the ice

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<v Speaker 2>shell is dynamic, if there are cracks, or or if

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<v Speaker 2>the ice melts and refreezes a process called convection.

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<v Speaker 3>Then these oxidants might eventually be mixed or transported down

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<v Speaker 3>into the deep liquid ocean below, and this process, if

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<v Speaker 3>it happens efficiently, could provide a different kind of chemical

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<v Speaker 3>energy source for life. It could allow organisms to metabolize

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<v Speaker 2>But the challenge there, I mean it seems immense too.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about transporting surface chemicals through a twenty kilometer

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<v Speaker 3>It's an issue of supply chain efficiency.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great way to put it.

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<v Speaker 3>Hydrothermal vents deliver high energy nutrients directly and consistently right

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<v Speaker 3>at the life rock boundary. It's like having a supermarket

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<v Speaker 3>at your front door. The surface imported chemistry is a slow,

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<v Speaker 3>complex and potentially intermittent delivery system. It relies entirely on

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<v Speaker 3>the dynamics of the ice shell, which frankly we still

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<v Speaker 3>do not fully understand.

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<v Speaker 2>So the burden study. By reeling out the high energy

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<v Speaker 2>guaranteed source the seafloor vents, it makes the whole life

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<v Speaker 2>scenario immediately more challenging.

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<v Speaker 3>Much more challenging, and it forces the scientific community and you,

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<v Speaker 3>the listener to confront a very important distinction that I

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<v Speaker 3>think we've glossed over for years. We've sort of been

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<v Speaker 2>Potentially, follow the water mantra and.

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<v Speaker 3>The source material really challenges that simplicity head on. Just

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<v Speaker 3>having liquid water, even in abundance, is not enough. You

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<v Speaker 3>have to have sustained dynamic energy input at the most

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<v Speaker 3>critical chemical interface, the water rock boundary. The ocean might

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<v Speaker 3>is predicted to be cold, inert, and featureless, offering little

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<v Speaker 3>to no concentrated energy to initiate a food web.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to challenge this conclusion slightly though the model

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<v Speaker 2>predicts a lack of contemporary activity right now. But we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen microbes on Earth. We call them extremophiles. They can

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<v Speaker 2>survive incredible periods of stasis in extremely low energy environments.

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<v Speaker 2>So if life did arise on Europe of billions of

431
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<v Speaker 2>years ago, when the Moon may have had much more heating,

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't a simpler form of life have adapted to survive

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<v Speaker 2>in these low energy conditions today.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a highly relevant query. It's a great point because

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<v Speaker 3>we do see life adapting to what we would consider

436
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<v Speaker 3>marginal conditions. However, we have to differentiate between sustaining life

437
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<v Speaker 3>under marginal conditions and starting life.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah okay, a biogenesis.

439
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<v Speaker 3>A biogenesis, the origin of life. That process seems to

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<v Speaker 3>require a highly dynamic, energetic, and chemically diverse environment, something

441
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<v Speaker 3>like the ones we hypothesize existed near early Earth's hydrothermal vents.

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<v Speaker 3>The chemical complexity that you need to build the first

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<v Speaker 3>self replicating molecules is immense. You need a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>stuff happening in one place.

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<v Speaker 2>As you're saying, the startup energy is much higher than

446
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<v Speaker 2>the maintenance energy.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, if Europa's seafloor was intensely heated billions of years ago,

448
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<v Speaker 3>maybe when the Moon had a more eccentric and more

449
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<v Speaker 3>wobbly orbit it, then life could theoretically have started. But

450
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<v Speaker 3>as that orbit stabilized and the core's heat dissipated, any

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<v Speaker 3>thriving ecosystem would have been starved of its primary food source.

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<v Speaker 2>The geological buffet would have closed down.

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<v Speaker 3>It would have, and any surviving organisms would have needed

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<v Speaker 3>to switch from a high energy metabolic process to an

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly slow, low energy one. Maybe consuming those diffuse background

456
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<v Speaker 3>chemicals or relying on those slowly imported oxidants from the surface.

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<v Speaker 2>So in that scenario, we're not looking for a vibrant

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<v Speaker 2>deep sea oasis. We're looking for what a microbial ghost town,

459
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<v Speaker 2>organisms that maybe reproduce once every million years.

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<v Speaker 3>It completely changes the search. We go from looking for

461
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<v Speaker 3>a bustling city to looking for a deep freeze survival bunker.

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<v Speaker 3>The implications of the Burn study suggest that even if

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<v Speaker 3>life is present on Eurobit today, it would be incredibly sparse,

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<v Speaker 3>very difficult to detect, and likely highly specialized to use

465
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<v Speaker 3>the minimal energy available from slow rock water interaction or

466
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<v Speaker 3>those sparse surface deliver oxidants.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a profoundly different scientific challenge than finding a planet

468
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<v Speaker 2>driven by its own internal thermal engine.

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<v Speaker 3>Completely different, and that framing, I think makes the findings

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<v Speaker 3>much clearer. The absence of a strong geological motor doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>completely rule out life, but it certainly argues strongly against

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of robust, complex deep sea life we initially

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<v Speaker 3>hoped for, and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Serves as a massive check on our enthusiasm. It reminds

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<v Speaker 2>us that the physical mechanisms governing habitability are incredibly sensitive

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<v Speaker 2>to astronomical mechanics like orbital resonance and planetary scale.

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<v Speaker 3>It all comes back to physics.

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<v Speaker 2>So if the calculations are right, the search for robust

479
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<v Speaker 2>contemporary life just got a lot harder. But as scientist,

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<v Speaker 2>we never accept a calculation, no matter how elegant it is.

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<v Speaker 2>As the final word. We need direct observation always, and

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<v Speaker 2>this moves us perfectly to our final segment discussing the

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<v Speaker 2>path to certainty and the spirit of exploration.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the absolute imperative of science. The study is a prediction,

485
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<v Speaker 3>it's a very strong one based on established physics, but

486
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<v Speaker 3>it is not a direct observation of the conditions one

487
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<v Speaker 3>hundred kilometers below the ice. The only path to challenging

488
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<v Speaker 3>or confirming this data is through a physical mission, and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Key mission that's said to provide that certainty is already underway,

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<v Speaker 2>the Europa Clipper spacecraft.

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<v Speaker 3>The Clipper mission is just it's designed specifically to investigate

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<v Speaker 3>Europa's potential habitability. It will perform dozens of close up

493
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<v Speaker 3>fly bys. It'll circle Jupiter and then skim past Europa

494
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<v Speaker 3>again and again to gather massive amounts of data. It's

495
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<v Speaker 3>an incredibly ambitious mission with instrumentation designed to probe the

496
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<v Speaker 3>very layers we've been discussing.

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<v Speaker 2>So what specifically will Clipper be measuring that will help

498
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<v Speaker 2>us verify or refute the Burn team's conclusions about the core.

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<v Speaker 3>Clipper will provide crucial measurements that feed directly back into

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<v Speaker 3>these models. For instance, it's going to use radar to

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<v Speaker 3>penetrate the ice and measure its precise thickness and structure,

502
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<v Speaker 3>And it will use gravity and magnetic field measurements to

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<v Speaker 3>determine the depth and salinity of the ocean and importantly,

504
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<v Speaker 3>the dynamic flexing of the ocean and the core.

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<v Speaker 2>So if the core is being subjected to tidal forces

506
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<v Speaker 2>strong enough to induce tectonics, the gravitational field measurements would

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<v Speaker 2>likely show some kind of subtle but measurable signature related

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<v Speaker 2>to that movement.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, the instrumentation will be precise enough to measure the

510
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<v Speaker 3>physical deformation how much the entire Moon flexes under Jupiter's pull.

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<v Speaker 3>If the Moon is flexing significantly across its rocky interior,

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<v Speaker 3>that indicates immense internal friction and heat, which would immediately

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<v Speaker 3>contradict the Burn model.

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<v Speaker 2>And if, however, the flexing is largely confined to the

515
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<v Speaker 2>water and the ice layers.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the Burn model stands validated.

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<v Speaker 2>When can we expect this crucial data to start rolling

518
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<v Speaker 2>in and hopefully answering these questions well.

519
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<v Speaker 3>Clipper is scheduled for its deep investigation, starting with its

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<v Speaker 3>first flyby in the spring of twenty thirty one, so

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<v Speaker 3>we have a little while to wait. It's a patient pursuit,

522
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<v Speaker 3>it is, but the level of detail we will gain

523
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<v Speaker 3>after a few dozen fly bys will far far exceed

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<v Speaker 3>anything we have today.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also worth pausing just to acknowledge the human story

526
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<v Speaker 2>behind this mission. The Clipper was conceived and championed in

527
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<v Speaker 2>part by figures like Bill McKinnon, the Clarkway Harrison Distinguished

528
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<v Speaker 2>Professor at Washington University. It just highlights the decades of

529
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<v Speaker 2>relentless curiosity that propel planetary science forward. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>scientific effort that really spans generations.

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<v Speaker 3>And that institutional knowledge, the kind that allows researchers like

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<v Speaker 3>Burn and his team to refine these models over time,

533
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<v Speaker 3>is fundamental. It's what helps reduce the risks of major

534
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<v Speaker 3>space missions. Every piece of data, whether it's confirming a

535
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<v Speaker 3>planet's density or refining its orbital eccentricity. It allows us

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<v Speaker 3>to build a more accurate picture before we commit billions

537
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<v Speaker 3>of dollars to the trip.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to return to something Paul Burne said

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<v Speaker 2>because I think it speaks to the greater spirit of

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<v Speaker 2>exploration that goes beyond just the search for life. He

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<v Speaker 2>isn't solely focused on the life question. His curiosity is

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally geological.

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<v Speaker 3>He shifts the focus so beautifully. Even if Clipper confirms

544
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<v Speaker 3>the seafloor is dead and inert, even if modern Europa

545
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<v Speaker 3>is found to be lifeless, Burne is still incredibly interested

546
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<v Speaker 3>in the fundamental science. His primary geological question is simply,

547
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<v Speaker 3>I'm really interested to know what that seafloor looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>That is profound. For all our discussions about the ocean

549
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<v Speaker 2>and the ice, we have virtually no data on the

550
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<v Speaker 2>ocean floor itself. Could be vast flat plains of rock,

551
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<v Speaker 2>or it could be littered with ancient, cold, dormant geological features.

552
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<v Speaker 2>We just don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the joy of pure discovery. The core motivation of

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<v Speaker 3>a planetary scientist is to simply know what's out there,

555
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<v Speaker 3>even if the answer doesn't fit our hopes for alien life.

556
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<v Speaker 3>And Burn's broader view is very grounding for all of us.

557
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<v Speaker 3>He says he's not upset if they don't find life

558
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<v Speaker 3>on this particular moon, noting he is confident that there

559
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<v Speaker 3>is life out there somewhere, even if it's one hundred

560
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<v Speaker 3>light years away.

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<v Speaker 2>So the value of the mission it isn't just a

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<v Speaker 2>binary yes or no on life. It's about defining the

563
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<v Speaker 2>parameters of habitability and understanding the complex, very geology of

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<v Speaker 2>the Jovian System. Every planet in moon is a lesson

565
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<v Speaker 2>in how physical laws manifest differently based on size, composition,

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<v Speaker 2>and location.

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<v Speaker 3>And the data gathered, regardless of the conclusion, will inform

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<v Speaker 3>where we look next. If Europa, with its massive water ocean,

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<v Speaker 3>turns out to be geologically inert because of its distant

570
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<v Speaker 3>stable orbit, while that tells us that tidal heating is

571
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<v Speaker 3>a highly sensitive variable in the habitability equation, and we would.

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<v Speaker 2>Then focus our search for high energy ecosystems on moons

573
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<v Speaker 2>with more eccentric unstable orbits closer to their parent planets.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, every discovery, even a negative one, refines the search.

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<v Speaker 2>This analysis has truly clarified the complexity of the physics

576
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<v Speaker 2>at play here.

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<v Speaker 3>Indeed, we've taken a really detailed look into the latest

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<v Speaker 3>thinking on Jupiter's prime candidate for life, Europa, based on

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<v Speaker 3>the rigorous physics presented in that Nature Communication study.

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<v Speaker 2>So what does this all mean for you, the listener?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's review the central insight. While Europa has the liquid

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<v Speaker 2>water that first critical ingredient, the latest calculations show that

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<v Speaker 2>the lack of dynamic tidal heating at the seafloor, which

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<v Speaker 2>is driven by its distant and stable orbit around Jupiter,

585
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<v Speaker 2>likely means the ocean floor is geologically quiet.

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<v Speaker 3>And that quietness starves the ocean of the chemical and

587
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<v Speaker 3>thermal energy that's needed for a thriving contemporary ecosystem. It's

588
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<v Speaker 3>the difference between having a gigantic insulated pool of water

589
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<v Speaker 3>and having a vibrant, geochemically active hydrothermal.

590
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<v Speaker 2>Ecosystem, and Europa might just be the former.

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<v Speaker 3>The life potential is well, it's significantly lower than we

592
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<v Speaker 3>previously assumed. It shifts our focus to lower energy possibilities,

593
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<v Speaker 3>or even just historical possibilities.

594
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<v Speaker 2>Now for a final provocative thought to moll over, one

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<v Speaker 2>that builds directly on the source material. We noted that

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<v Speaker 2>the study focuses on contemporary life life right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>it acknowledges the Moon may have had a lot more

598
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<v Speaker 2>heating in the distant past.

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<v Speaker 3>So if the Europa Clipper arrives in twenty thirty one

600
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<v Speaker 3>and confirms a static, inert environment today, the search doesn't end.

601
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<v Speaker 3>It just pivots to history. We would then need to

602
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<v Speaker 3>ask if life did arise when the heating was more

603
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<v Speaker 3>intense billions of years ago, and then start when the

604
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<v Speaker 3>orbit stabilized and the core cooled, where would we look

605
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<v Speaker 3>for the evidence for fossilized.

606
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<v Speaker 2>Or long dormant microbial evidence exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>That is a fundamental change in mission. If life started

608
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<v Speaker 3>when the heat was on and then the stability of

609
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<v Speaker 3>Jupiter's orbit led to geological silence, how would those ancient

610
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<v Speaker 3>organisms have fared. Would they have simply been encased in rock,

611
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<v Speaker 3>frozen into the cold seafloor, awaiting a geological revival that

612
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<v Speaker 3>never came.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a whole new type of exploration.

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<v Speaker 3>It is that historical investigation requires us to think about

615
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<v Speaker 3>how to search for ancient biosignatures, the chemical traces of life,

616
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<v Speaker 3>rather than active metabolisms. It means future missions would need

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<v Speaker 3>specialized drills and analysis tools designed to penetrate the seafloor rock,

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<v Speaker 3>not just sample the water. It reminds us that habitability

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<v Speaker 3>isn't a permanent switch. It's a continuum that can flicker

620
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<v Speaker 3>on and off over geological time scales, and we may

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<v Speaker 3>simply be arriving billions of years too late for the show.

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<v Speaker 2>A truly fascinating and I think an essential recalibration of

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<v Speaker 2>our expectations. We started this looking for an act the ecosystem,

624
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<v Speaker 2>and we've ended by contemplating a frozen, fossilized past. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for walking us through the complex physics governing Europa's

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<v Speaker 2>silent seafloor s
