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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from Studio A. It's The Gardening Simplified

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<v Speaker 1>Show with Stacey Hervella me, Rick weisst and our engineer

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<v Speaker 1>and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacy, my experience in the

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<v Speaker 1>garden center industry is that December through February, the popularity

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<v Speaker 1>and demand for citrus plants, well, it's soars for the homeowners,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's it's something that people will buy

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<v Speaker 1>as a houseplant and then as we get to spring

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<v Speaker 1>and summer, put out on the patio or on the deck.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course it's also associated with the lunar New

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<v Speaker 1>Year coming up this year Wednesday, January twenty nine, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five. It's a symbol of prosperity. I looked it

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<v Speaker 1>up this year as the Year of the Snake. Ooh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>How I feel about your favorite year.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're gonna get yourself a citrus plant, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a thorny issue, so be careful. I always remember receiving

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<v Speaker 1>even citrus plants at the garden center and the green

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<v Speaker 1>foliage so glossy, the aroma of the blossoms just oh,

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<v Speaker 1>just so beautiful. But be careful you stick your hand

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<v Speaker 1>in that box, you're about to get poked, because they're very,

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<v Speaker 1>very thorny. And the reason for it if you do

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<v Speaker 1>get one of these citrus plants is that they're grafted

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<v Speaker 1>to a hardy rootstock. So I looked up the botanical

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<v Speaker 1>name Stacey. It says Poncerus trifoliata or trifolia orange or

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<v Speaker 1>hardy orange, a citrus relative that's generally used as a

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<v Speaker 1>hedgerow or as a hedge is very thorny. But it

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<v Speaker 1>makes a really great rootstock for the citrus plants that

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<v Speaker 1>we grow at home.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes a really good rootstock for edible citrus. It

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<v Speaker 3>also makes an excellent garden plant on its own. And

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<v Speaker 3>I was just telling you Adriana this morning how much I.

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<v Speaker 2>Love this plant. Awesome, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>I I could go on and on about it. But

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<v Speaker 3>the first time I ever saw this plant, pon Cyrus triflia,

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<v Speaker 3>which is now known as Citrus trifoliata, was at Wave

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<v Speaker 3>Hill Gardens in New York City, just up there in

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<v Speaker 3>the Bronx, and it just stopped me in my tracks

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<v Speaker 3>because I mean, of course, I'd never seen anything like it,

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<v Speaker 3>and it is truly hardy. Actually, pont Cyrus is considered

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<v Speaker 3>hardy to USDA Zone five.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>So imagine that an orange relative that you can grow

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<v Speaker 3>outdoors even in USDA Zone five, and it has green

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<v Speaker 3>stems and green thorns and so it's green all year,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's just it's the texture on this plant. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the thorns are brutal. I mean, the thorns are nothing

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<v Speaker 3>to mess around with. But on the other hand, the

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<v Speaker 3>deer won't mess around with them, so that's pretty great.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it has beautiful, fragrant white flowers in spring,

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<v Speaker 3>and if it gets pollinated, you're gonna get round fruits

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<v Speaker 3>in late summer and winter that will stick around. They

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<v Speaker 3>are edible, but quite acidic. But they're just such a

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<v Speaker 3>cool conversation piece. And there's a cultivar actually available called

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<v Speaker 3>flying dragon yes where that yeah, where the thorns are

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<v Speaker 3>curved like little dragon claws, and it is such a

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<v Speaker 3>cool plant. I am one thousand percent adding upon cyrus

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<v Speaker 3>to my garden in spring twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic. I love that. So the plants that we

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<v Speaker 1>would bring in lime lemon, like a myer lemon, orange

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<v Speaker 1>Kalimandan orange, they would be grafted to this rootstock. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you think about it. When the plant

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<v Speaker 1>is young and vulnerable, it's probably good that it has

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<v Speaker 1>those thorns to deal with predators. And then as a

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<v Speaker 1>citrus plant gets older than the thorns are not as

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<v Speaker 1>much of an issue. Now you'll also notice as they

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<v Speaker 1>come into the garden center, maybe the consumer notices it too.

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<v Speaker 1>There's all sorts of USDA labeling and permissions, let's call them,

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<v Speaker 1>or inspections, and that can make sometimes. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>when I was purchasing foliage plants for the garden center,

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<v Speaker 1>it was tough to get the citrus plants. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>ship them between states that grow citrus. The major ones

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<v Speaker 1>in the US, of course, Florida, California, Arizona, Texas, and

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<v Speaker 1>interestingly enough, what's been fun for me to watch is

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<v Speaker 1>the growth of the citrus industry in Georgia. That has

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you think Georgia peaches and peaches in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's really taken.

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<v Speaker 2>Off to I didn't know that. That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's been tremendous growth in Georgia. Now. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>these USDA approvals, inspections, warnings, et cetera, et cetera are

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<v Speaker 1>very very important because there are citrus diseases in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. There's citrus greening and it has this long,

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<v Speaker 1>horrible word, but I looked up the pronunciation. They call

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<v Speaker 1>it yellow dragon disease or one long one long bin,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, so they just call it HLB.

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<v Speaker 2>That's convenient.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the Yeah, that was the pronunciation I was given.

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<v Speaker 1>But so we're going to go with citrus greening. But

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<v Speaker 1>this can cause serious problems to citrus crops, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>citrus canker, citrus black spot, sweet orange scab, citrus variegated chlorosis. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it goes on and on and on, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>these types of diseases of high concern and citrus growing

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<v Speaker 1>regions of the United States. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>control put over the shipping of these plants across state

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<v Speaker 1>lines or let's say, up into areas where people just

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<v Speaker 1>want one plant and grow it on their deck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know that adds a lot of cost.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I would I highly encourage anyone who has

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<v Speaker 3>a nice, very sunny, cool spot in their home who's

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<v Speaker 3>interested in growing citrus to do so. But they are expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>These are expensive houseplants, and you're really going to want

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure that if you're going to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>try to grow one that you're giving at the best

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<v Speaker 3>possible conditions. And you know, to me, trying to grow

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<v Speaker 3>citrus in a cold climate like ours, it's a non negotiable.

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<v Speaker 3>It needs to go outside in the summer. Absolutely just

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't ever recover the vigor, you know, unless you've really

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<v Speaker 3>got great conditions for growing it indoors. But if you

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<v Speaker 3>can do that, I would say it's absolutely worth the

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<v Speaker 3>investment because you know, a citrus plant in bloom in

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<v Speaker 3>winter in your house is just I mean, that is

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<v Speaker 3>the care for the winter time blues right there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what you're right, it's wonderful. So aside from those

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<v Speaker 1>serious concerns for citrus growers on the part of the

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<v Speaker 1>USDA and all of us, for the person who's growing

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<v Speaker 1>it indoors, it's usually yellowing of foliage and dropping of leaves.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the concern. Deficiencies in nitrogen. And it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of interesting that if there are deficiencies in nitrogen or

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<v Speaker 1>magnesium or iron or sulfur, they can all kind of

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<v Speaker 1>look alike on the plant. And then you'll find people

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<v Speaker 1>online who are recommending epsom salts for the magnesium. But

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<v Speaker 1>the problem with that is that to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>grow this fruit, you also need calcium. And so if

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<v Speaker 1>you have an imbalance, just using EPSOM salts isn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>something I recommend. Again, coming from the garden center industry,

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<v Speaker 1>I would recommend something like aspoma has citrus tone and

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<v Speaker 1>that has calcium in it has magnesium in it to

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<v Speaker 1>help green the leaves. But it's going to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the proper proportions so we don't get imbalanced stacy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know the other thing about EPSOM salts.

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<v Speaker 3>People throw up some salts around like it's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>going out of style, but they are salts, and particularly

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<v Speaker 3>when you are growing something indoors and it's not going

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<v Speaker 3>to get that nice full, you know leeching effect of

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<v Speaker 3>frequent rains. That salt is going to build up in

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<v Speaker 3>the soil. It's going to cause all sorts of problems.

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<v Speaker 3>So I would also not recommend EPSOM salts on containerized

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<v Speaker 3>citrus instead. Yeah, EPSOM or sorry, isoma citrus tone is

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<v Speaker 3>such a great choice. I have the most successful indoor

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<v Speaker 3>citrus I have ever seen. That is how she grew

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<v Speaker 3>her play.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, she had kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>Like one of those you know, sun rooms that they

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<v Speaker 3>put on a lot in the seventies and eighties that was,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, off the side of your house, and she

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<v Speaker 3>had gorgeous citrus in there. But of course the trick

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<v Speaker 3>with the Aspeoma citrus tone is that it does it's

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<v Speaker 3>not really sold in areas where citrus is not widely grown,

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<v Speaker 3>so you might have to order it by mail, but

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<v Speaker 3>it is worth it because, yeah, best lemon indoor citrus

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<v Speaker 3>I've ever seen was grown with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, it makes me think of Monticello and Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferson visiting there and in the sunroom. Just beautiful citrus

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<v Speaker 1>and it's inspiring in the winter. You know, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about lemon trees like Meyer lemon, Dwarf Eureka lemon. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the beautiful ornamental citrus, the Kalamandan orange, and boy talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the scent on those.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's that pretty. That's one of the easier

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<v Speaker 3>ones to grow indoors.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's a good choice exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And we would sell orange, kumquat, lime, grapefruit on standards

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<v Speaker 1>or as bushes, and we even had them in hanging baskets.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a variety of ways you can get the citrus.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're able to locate some. Here's a citrus limb,

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<v Speaker 1>a rick. I have a thought, a feeling citrus is

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<v Speaker 1>both a snack and self healing. To be a lemon,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't be thin skinned. Your horticultural wonderkinned both thick

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<v Speaker 1>skinned and appealing. My friend, it's not hyperb believe that

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<v Speaker 1>citrus is treasure grown on a tree. Boy, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a stretch stacy. So come on, take a big gulp

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<v Speaker 1>of those cellulose fibers and pulp. You'll benefit from vitamin C.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're trying to grow some citrus indoors, good

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<v Speaker 1>drainage the soil's important, drainage holes in the pot. We

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the fertilizer. The Aspoma citrus tone is something

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<v Speaker 1>that we recommend lots of light, keep it away from

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<v Speaker 1>a heat register. And your watering practices are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be important. Too much water or too little water is

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<v Speaker 1>going to cause problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>And you do need to fertilize. You know, they are

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<v Speaker 3>definitely very hungry plants. Usually we don't recommend going too

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<v Speaker 3>crazy in winter with a fertilizer, but you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>want to keep a steady diet on your citrus another

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<v Speaker 3>thing I've learned from that great citrus grower. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so they are a challenge but so rewarding. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think people also, as in so many other cases, need

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<v Speaker 3>to have reasonable expectations. You are probably not going to

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<v Speaker 3>have enough lemons to share with your friends and family

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<v Speaker 3>on your citrus street, but I honestly think it's worth

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<v Speaker 3>it just for how beautiful they are, and of course

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<v Speaker 3>the fragrance of the flowers.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And of course if you're growing them as houseplants

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<v Speaker 1>bringing them out in summer, don't go cheap on the pot.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sure the pot's big enough. As Stacy mentioned, they

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<v Speaker 1>do need fertilizer, they do need water in summer, and

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<v Speaker 1>you want those roots to have some room to grow.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're looking at it as a house plant,

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<v Speaker 1>let's not let that plant get riot bound. Let's see

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<v Speaker 1>how Stacey ties this in in Plants on Trial that's

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<v Speaker 1>coming up next here on the Gardening Simplified Chill.

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<v Speaker 3>gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the Citrus Show. If you're not growing citrus, you're

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<v Speaker 3>eating citrus at this time of year. It's a little

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<v Speaker 3>something to help you through the dreary winter. And of course,

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<v Speaker 3>an orange in her Christmas stocking right in the toe.

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<v Speaker 2>That was like a big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd get an orange and a candy bar. And then

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<v Speaker 1>of course as kids, we drank a lot of tang.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was the thing that you did.

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<v Speaker 3>Because yes, of course, but you know, we would be

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<v Speaker 3>fair tid David Fairchild is he was actually born in

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<v Speaker 3>East Lansing, like our guests last week, doctor Ellen Armitage.

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<v Speaker 3>He was born in East Lansing, Michigan, but he grew

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<v Speaker 3>up in Kansas and he ended up becoming an economic

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<v Speaker 3>botanist who brought some of the most important food crops

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<v Speaker 3>to the United States. He is responsible for having different

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<v Speaker 3>hops in the United States. The list of crops that

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<v Speaker 3>he brought to the US goes on and on and on,

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<v Speaker 3>but probably one of his most iconic and important contributions

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<v Speaker 3>capital of the United States. I know that has changed

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<v Speaker 3>a bit, but he is a fascinating person. I was

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<v Speaker 3>lucky enough to visit his estate, which is down near Miami.

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<v Speaker 3>It is open to the public by appointment, and you

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<v Speaker 3>can actually see at his estate, which is known as

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<v Speaker 3>the Kampong Kampong, the very firm citrus plants that were

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<v Speaker 3>ever brought into the US. They are actually growing outside

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<v Speaker 3>his house and it's a fascinating garden, a beautiful thing

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<v Speaker 3>to see. So if you're in Miami, it's definitely worth

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<v Speaker 3>checking out. If you're not going to be in Miami

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<v Speaker 3>and you want to learn more about David Fairchild, I

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<v Speaker 3>highly recommend the book The Food Explorer by Daniel Stone,

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<v Speaker 3>which goes into his life and just the incredible things

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<v Speaker 3>that he was able to accomplish and the way that

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<v Speaker 3>he changed the way that we eat and grow food.

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<v Speaker 3>So really interesting story there, good gardening gift if you're

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<v Speaker 3>looking for a last minute gift for someone on your list.

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<v Speaker 3>And I do have a plant on trial, but I

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<v Speaker 3>have to kind of continue on a citrus related tangent.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't help it. We don't have anything in the

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<v Speaker 3>citrus family in the proven Winter's Color Choice line, as

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<v Speaker 3>much as I personally would like to have upon cyrus

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<v Speaker 3>because I just think they are the coolest plants. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think covered in huge green thorns is quite the

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<v Speaker 3>selling point that we're looking for plants in the proven

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<v Speaker 3>Winner's line, so I think its outlook to eventually be

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<v Speaker 3>introduced is is low. But that doesn't mean there aren't

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<v Speaker 3>some really cool citrus relatives that we can't grow here

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<v Speaker 3>in Michigan. And that's kind of surprising, right Like people

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<v Speaker 3>think of these as very very tender plants. But I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to mention a plant that I grow abundantly in

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<v Speaker 3>my garden because it does self so quite abundantly, and

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<v Speaker 3>that is rue Rudi graviolins and it is in the

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<v Speaker 3>citrus family, and it's called rue r r u e

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<v Speaker 3>and ruta. The scientific name is actually the namesake of

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<v Speaker 3>the entire citrus family, the rue tasi. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of the archetype of this of the family. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>just a beautiful Mediterranean herb with kind of bluish green foliage.

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<v Speaker 3>It has a very pungent and unique smell. The deer

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<v Speaker 3>never ever touch it. I had a very mature rue

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<v Speaker 3>that I just had to move, so it had some

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<v Speaker 3>die back, but that thing bloomed for us here in

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<v Speaker 3>Michigan all winter long.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>It was covered in snow and it was still putting

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean not, you know, NotI covered in flowers, but

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<v Speaker 3>there were still flowers on it, still creating fresh flowers,

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<v Speaker 3>still attracting pollinating insects. A good reason to grow roo

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<v Speaker 3>also is that it is a food source for swallowtail butterflies.

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<v Speaker 3>Got to love that, so, you know, another food source

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<v Speaker 3>for them. And so I love this plant. Itself sows

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<v Speaker 3>in its garden, in my garden, all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not really that edible. You'll see some things if

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<v Speaker 3>you look online for people say, oh, you can do

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<v Speaker 3>this with it, you can do that with it. Apparently

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<v Speaker 3>it was very popular as an edible way back in

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<v Speaker 3>the day during Renaissance times.

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<v Speaker 2>I had always heard.

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<v Speaker 3>That Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci attributed their creative powers

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<v Speaker 3>to rue. How exactly they consumed to this room I

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<v Speaker 3>have yet to discover. But you know what, if it

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<v Speaker 3>was good enough for them, just having it in my garden,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like is a little bit closer to that

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<v Speaker 3>level of genius.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the Roo family is rather large and has a

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<v Speaker 1>great history, but would you say that Citrus is probably

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<v Speaker 1>the most dominant, probably the best known.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably the best known for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>But there is another really cool member of the citrus

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<v Speaker 3>family that is actually native to Michigan. Uh huh, believe

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<v Speaker 3>it or not, and that is hold on to your

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<v Speaker 3>seats Xanthosylum americanum. And this is such a cool plant.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So it's sometimes known as prickly ash.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like it's going to be super rare, But

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<v Speaker 3>it is abundant here in West Michigan. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>I could walk just less than a mile down here

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<v Speaker 3>from Studio A and show you or some is growing

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<v Speaker 3>wild in a park near here. So it's not uncommon

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<v Speaker 3>at all. And it is a relative of the sescheuon peppercorn.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you like to eat Chinese food or experiment

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<v Speaker 3>with Chinese cooking, or have ever eaten really hot and

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<v Speaker 3>spicy seshuon food, the sesshuon peppercorn is very characteristic of this.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a relative of that. I have not tried

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<v Speaker 3>any pepper from it yet, but it is a very

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<v Speaker 3>very cool and interesting citrus relative native to Michigan. Also

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<v Speaker 3>attracts a ton of swallowtail butterflies. And it's just one

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<v Speaker 3>of those like cool plant facts.

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<v Speaker 1>That is fantastic, really cool. And you know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to say, some people might guess when you were

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<v Speaker 1>saying what type of plant it was, some people might

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<v Speaker 1>guess osage orange. But osage orange, of course, is in

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<v Speaker 1>a different fam I think it's in the mulberry family.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that would make sense based on the fruit. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>osage orange is just a total misnomer. But speaking of misnomers,

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<v Speaker 3>that is how we are getting to today's pulllant On trial,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the three hundred and twenty plus proof of

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<v Speaker 3>winners colored choice shrubs that you can decide if you

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<v Speaker 3>want to put in your garden, and today's plant on

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<v Speaker 3>trial for the Citrus Show, Juiced orange Cystrum. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 3>not in the citrus family. It is actually in the

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<v Speaker 3>tomato family, and it is a shrub, which a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people don't think of shrubs being in the silanasia

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<v Speaker 3>or tomato family, but of course with a name like

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<v Speaker 3>juiced orange, perfectly for the citrus show. So this is

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<v Speaker 3>a Cesstrum also known as jessamine. It is a flowering shrub.

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<v Speaker 3>It is native to sort of Central and South America.

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<v Speaker 3>And as you might guess based on that and the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that you probably have not heard of this genus before,

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<v Speaker 3>not the hardiest plant, hardy down to USDA seven B

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<v Speaker 3>and heat tolerant through USDA Zone ten. So really more

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<v Speaker 3>of a plant for hot climates, although I will say

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<v Speaker 3>for those of us in cold climates, a great container

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<v Speaker 3>plant that will bloom for you all summer. I have

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<v Speaker 3>grown it myself like that because it's so beautiful, as

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<v Speaker 3>you might have guessed from the name, sort of orange yellow, orange,

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<v Speaker 3>juice colored flowers, and they're like little miniature trumpets, but

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<v Speaker 3>they're clustered together in these kind of round globs that

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<v Speaker 3>just cover the plant. And it's one of those warm

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<v Speaker 3>climate plants that just blooms and blooms and blooms and blooms.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not one that just says, okay, well, I've had

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<v Speaker 3>my two week blooming period and now I'm done. In

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<v Speaker 3>the summer, this plant does flour continuously without any kind

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<v Speaker 3>of maintenance or dead heading or anything like that. It

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<v Speaker 3>attracts tons of butterflies and hummingbirds. So I think this

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<v Speaker 3>is a plant that's really worth growing as a seasonal annual,

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<v Speaker 3>even though it's going to cost a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 3>You're probably gonna need to get it in mail order,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and spend maybe twenty twenty five dollars for it.

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<v Speaker 3>But it really does have the flower power, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>just it's just a really really neat and interesting plant.

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<v Speaker 3>The deer in my yard did not touch it, so

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<v Speaker 3>that's always a good thing for any of us. Loves

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<v Speaker 3>the sun, loves loves loves growing in hot, sunny areas,

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<v Speaker 3>and juiced orange is a little bit different than other

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<v Speaker 3>cystrum that are on the market in that it is

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<v Speaker 3>more compact, which does make it more suitable for growing

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<v Speaker 3>in seasonal containers than you know, a larger plant that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be kind of rangy. So this one's going

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<v Speaker 3>to stay nice and compact, not really going to need

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<v Speaker 3>any proof not get an eating dead heading. I did

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<v Speaker 3>fertilize mine in the same time that I fertilized my

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<v Speaker 3>other annuals, and again I was rewarded with flowers, you know, NonStop,

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<v Speaker 3>basically from beginning of June until frost.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we've talked about this plant before. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I think is the reward and you mentioned it,

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<v Speaker 1>are the trumpet like flowers great for pollinators. Wow, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just stunning. Any lusters up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, really like nice round clusters. It just has a

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<v Speaker 3>very unique look. And of course anytime you've got trumpet

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<v Speaker 3>shake flowers, you know, my ears perk up because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>thinking hummingbirds. And indeed they did really visit and enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>this plant. So juice orange comes from the color, not

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<v Speaker 3>from its relatives. It's very drought tolerant. Although this is

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<v Speaker 3>a situation where if you are growing it as a

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<v Speaker 3>container plant, you're not really gonna want to push that

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<v Speaker 3>too much because you're gonna want the best possible performance

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<v Speaker 3>from it, so that you're getting all of those flowers

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<v Speaker 3>that make it worth the little bit of extra cost

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<v Speaker 3>that it has, and you know the time that you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna put into it, but you can always try to

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<v Speaker 3>bring it indoors and grow it as a houseplant. I

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<v Speaker 3>would suspect I did not try that myself. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have a great house for houseplants, but I would suspect

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<v Speaker 3>that it would probably be easier to grow indoors than

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<v Speaker 3>your average citrus plants, so it would at least be

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<v Speaker 3>worth trying trying to bring in. So that is a

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<v Speaker 3>juiced orange cestrum. You can take a look at pictures

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<v Speaker 3>of that, of course, on the YouTube version of the show,

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<v Speaker 3>or on our website at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>You can put all the details there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you drink tang as a kid?

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<v Speaker 2>I did not, No, I.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, but I remember the commercial. Is it the

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<v Speaker 3>same formula?

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's and you people will use it to clean

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<v Speaker 1>out their dishwasher.

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<v Speaker 2>What from like the citric acid or something. It just

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<v Speaker 2>does just.

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<v Speaker 1>Run a dose of Tang through your dishwasher.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds more expensive than your average dishwasher cleaner. But

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<v Speaker 3>I guess if you already got tang on hand, because

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I remember bugging my mom to get it

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<v Speaker 3>for us, because I was like the astronauts drank it correct,

419
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<v Speaker 3>you know. But my mom was very careful about sugar intakes,

420
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<v Speaker 3>so we never did really have tang.

421
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I drank a lot of it as a kid.

422
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<v Speaker 1>That explains a lot. And I drank from the garden hose,

423
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<v Speaker 1>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>But did you drink tang made with garden hose water?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, We're gonna take a little break. When we

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<v Speaker 3>come back, we're opening up the garden mail bag, so

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<v Speaker 3>gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show,

435
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<v Speaker 3>where it's time for us to answer your guard questions.

436
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<v Speaker 3>Because that's how we try to simplify gardening for you,

437
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<v Speaker 3>is you know, kind of tell you the how and

438
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<v Speaker 3>the why of things, because to me that's the most

439
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<v Speaker 3>important thing. You know, I can sit here all day

440
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<v Speaker 3>and answer people's questions and say, oh, putting your roses

441
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<v Speaker 3>in March next. But I don't want to just tell

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<v Speaker 3>you that. I want to tell you the how and

443
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<v Speaker 3>the why, give you the information so that you can

444
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<v Speaker 3>understand why, because that, to me makes all the difference.

445
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<v Speaker 3>That's what makes you a gardener and not just you know,

446
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<v Speaker 3>a robot that takes care of plants.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the gift that keeps giving.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you have any gardening questions for us, you

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<v Speaker 3>can always reach us at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com.

451
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<v Speaker 3>There's a contact farm right there. You can even attach photos.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps you are.

453
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<v Speaker 3>Struggling to grow citrus, We've already given you a lot

454
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<v Speaker 3>of tips. Chances are it probably doesn't have enough light,

455
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<v Speaker 3>which I find is the main thing that dooms citrus indoors,

456
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<v Speaker 3>at least when I have attempted to grow it, as

457
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<v Speaker 3>well as it's unforgiving nature when it comes to water.

458
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<v Speaker 3>Because unforgiving houseplants and me do not get along.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for most people.

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<v Speaker 2>Now for most people, I mean there's people who are

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<v Speaker 2>up on it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

463
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<v Speaker 3>When I was younger, I was like an only levin apartment.

464
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<v Speaker 3>I worked really hard at it. But now I'm just

465
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<v Speaker 3>like eh. But I do have some very old houseplants.

466
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<v Speaker 3>They're just extremely forgiving. That's why they've lasted so long.

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<v Speaker 1>Forgiveness is important. And yes, water is the number one

468
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<v Speaker 1>killer of house plans.

469
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<v Speaker 3>And certainly with citrus. So it's a tricky one. But again,

470
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<v Speaker 3>if you've got the right conditions, it's worth it. So

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<v Speaker 3>you can reach us again gardening simplified on air dot

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<v Speaker 3>com and we'd be happy to pool our expertise and

473
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<v Speaker 3>help you with whatever is troubling you and your gardens.

474
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<v Speaker 3>So what do we got in the mailbag?

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<v Speaker 1>Stacey Ann asks us I planted a couple of gin

476
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<v Speaker 1>Fizz junipers this spring. Boy, I love those. They're so

477
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<v Speaker 1>beautiful and and says they've done well heading into winter.

478
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<v Speaker 1>I've watered them, put them, put down shredded leaves around them.

479
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<v Speaker 1>They get some protection from the worst winds, but I

480
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<v Speaker 1>have seen drifting in their location. They will get sun

481
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<v Speaker 1>on them on clear days. Wondering if I need to

482
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<v Speaker 1>cover them with burlap and if so, how it seems

483
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<v Speaker 1>hard to do because of their arching habit and is

484
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<v Speaker 1>in zone five eight.

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<v Speaker 3>You know I love junipers. I used to not like them.

486
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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to spend a lot of my life disliking

487
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<v Speaker 3>junipers partially because as a landscaper, I would have to

488
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<v Speaker 3>pull out those weeds that grow up through the middle

489
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<v Speaker 3>level and I had.

490
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<v Speaker 1>To unload truckloads of them, and I didn't like them either.

491
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<v Speaker 1>My arms would be raw.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they can be very painful. They're not super like.

493
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<v Speaker 3>They don't look I think that's the thing too. They

494
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<v Speaker 3>don't look like they're going to be needily and scrapy.

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<v Speaker 3>But once you actually start engaging with them, it can be.

496
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<v Speaker 1>Very pay personality.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but what surprises me, even as a juniper enthusiast,

498
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<v Speaker 3>of course, I've gained a lot more appreciation for them

499
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<v Speaker 3>now that I live in a very sunny and very

500
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<v Speaker 3>dry environment and have deer, so junipers can deal with

501
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<v Speaker 3>all three of those things well. But what surprises me

502
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<v Speaker 3>is no matter where you drive in Michigan and probably

503
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<v Speaker 3>throughout the Midwest, you are going to see junipers self

504
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<v Speaker 3>sewing everywhere. They birds eat the berries and the plants grow.

505
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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's just a true testament to how

506
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<v Speaker 3>durable and tolerant these are. So and I will say,

507
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<v Speaker 3>you do not need to do a thing to make

508
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<v Speaker 3>your gin fizz. Junipers more welcome in your home, and

509
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<v Speaker 3>probably the more that you do for them, the less

510
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<v Speaker 3>they will like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I see them growing on the dunes of Lake Michigan,

512
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<v Speaker 1>and not just the back dunes, the fore dunes, which

513
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<v Speaker 1>is some of the most unforgiving environment you can find

514
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<v Speaker 1>for plants.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very sandy, a lot of wind, a lot of

516
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<v Speaker 3>drifting sand, a lot of sun, and you know, often

517
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<v Speaker 3>very little water. So juniper is not one of those

518
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<v Speaker 3>plants that's going to need a lot of help and

519
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<v Speaker 3>protection for winter. And the answer is, don't bother with

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<v Speaker 3>a burlap. You would just regret it anyway, because gin

521
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<v Speaker 3>fizz is not the prickliest juniper, but it does still

522
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<v Speaker 3>have some prickles on it. And actually, you know, the

523
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<v Speaker 3>interesting thing about juniper and prickly foliage is junipers have

524
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<v Speaker 3>two types of foliage. They have immature foliage, which is

525
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<v Speaker 3>prickly to deter predation when the plant has younger growth

526
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<v Speaker 3>or is smaller, and then that becomes a scale like

527
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<v Speaker 3>foliage that's not prickly, which is one of the reasons

528
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<v Speaker 3>why junipers kind of trick people into thinking they're not prickly,

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<v Speaker 3>because they they do have both. But yeah, they don't

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<v Speaker 3>need anything you don't need to bother, you know, protecting it,

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<v Speaker 3>even if you planted these in full which generally, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we talked a lot about full planting this past autumn.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't recommend planting most evergreens, but a very you know, small,

534
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<v Speaker 3>minimal needled evergreen like a juniper, no problem at all.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that you've done everything that you need

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<v Speaker 3>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to worry about it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, junipers don't even really tend to get like

539
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<v Speaker 3>wind burn like a lot of other conifers can. So

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<v Speaker 3>and you've planted one of the toughest, most durable, most

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<v Speaker 3>forgiving plants, and you don't need to do a darn thing.

542
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<v Speaker 3>Just sit back and enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>And your comment was great about the watering space. And

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<v Speaker 1>Anne says she's in Zone five A but has watered

545
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<v Speaker 1>them and put down shredded leaves around the base way

546
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<v Speaker 1>to go. Anne, that's okay. You don't want them going

547
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<v Speaker 1>into winter drive.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you definitely don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Tina asks us, love your show. I have a mature

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<v Speaker 1>Abelia Edward Goucher. My problem is the flowers are only

551
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<v Speaker 1>on the tips. Everything else is crisscrossing in the middle

552
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<v Speaker 1>of the plant. It's not attractive anymore. Can I cut

553
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<v Speaker 1>it to the ground? Will it grow back correctly? So, Stacy,

554
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<v Speaker 1>can Tina hack this plant back?

555
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you can, Tina. Abelia are great plants, and we've

556
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<v Speaker 3>talked about him a lot on the show. I think

557
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<v Speaker 3>they're really growing in popularity, partially because people are discovering

558
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<v Speaker 3>that they are heartier than most people had expected earlier

559
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<v Speaker 3>or previously, so they were really thought it as more

560
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<v Speaker 3>of a southern plant, where now we're discovering they can

561
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<v Speaker 3>grow in the north quite well. And there's just so

562
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:53.279
<v Speaker 3>many cool new varieties with really interesting foliage. Edward Gusche

563
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<v Speaker 3>or Edward Goucher is an older variety and mostly ground

564
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<v Speaker 3>for its fragrant flowers to attract humming and butterflies. But

565
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:05.359
<v Speaker 3>as with many older varieties, and as with many of

566
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<v Speaker 3>these kinds of shrubs that have these really slender twigs,

567
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<v Speaker 3>so Abelia Doutsia are two that run to mind, as

568
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:15.599
<v Speaker 3>well as Spyriea. They can get kind of sticky as

569
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:17.799
<v Speaker 3>they as they grow older, so you just see a

570
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<v Speaker 3>lot of those sticks and it doesn't look attractive. And

571
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:23.880
<v Speaker 3>they do indeed benefit from a rejuvenation pruning. As we've

572
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<v Speaker 3>talked about. So yeah, just go ahead and cut the

573
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<v Speaker 3>whole thing back to stubs. I would recommend doing that

574
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<v Speaker 3>this coming spring, don't do it now, and that is

575
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<v Speaker 3>going to give the plant a whole new lease on life.

576
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<v Speaker 3>It's going to come out with fresh foliage. It's going

577
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:39.839
<v Speaker 3>to be really colorful and dense and beautiful. But as

578
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<v Speaker 3>far as the flowers forming primarily on the tips of

579
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.799
<v Speaker 3>the branches, that is somewhat the nature of the beasts,

580
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Speaker 3>so that is kind of what abelias do. But usually

581
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:51.079
<v Speaker 3>they should have quite a few flowers. So even though

582
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:53.839
<v Speaker 3>they are mostly forming at the tips, they do bloom

583
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.039
<v Speaker 3>continuously through summer as long as they're happy, and so

584
00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:59.400
<v Speaker 3>you usually do have quite a few flowers. But you're

585
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:01.960
<v Speaker 3>just not going to get like that, you know, kind

586
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.279
<v Speaker 3>of curtainy look that you see on something like a

587
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:06.960
<v Speaker 3>lilac or a rose, where there's really flowers from the

588
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.640
<v Speaker 3>ground to the top. The abelias really are going to

589
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.079
<v Speaker 3>mostly just flower on top. So if you're seeing that,

590
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:16.559
<v Speaker 3>not necessarily a cause for concern. Pretty normal for most abelias.

591
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<v Speaker 1>And if you're keeping score at home, when you say sticky,

592
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.279
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about wood, not adhesion.

593
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's true. I mean a lot of sticks in there.

594
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Barbara asks us, Hello, I love your show and

595
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:29.960
<v Speaker 1>never miss it. I've got a problem. We recently had

596
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:33.319
<v Speaker 1>an excavation work done on our property. The last thing

597
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 1>they did was move a very thick layer of sand

598
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>up to twelve to eighteen inches over most of the

599
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:43.519
<v Speaker 1>roots of our very beautiful, mature crimson king maple tree.

600
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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a lot of sand.

601
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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of sand. I sounded the alarm. My

602
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.559
<v Speaker 1>husband is mad because he thinks I'm being melodramatic. I

603
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:54.079
<v Speaker 1>think it will smother the tree and that sand should

604
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:58.079
<v Speaker 1>be removed. What would Rick Weist Junior say, Yeah, my

605
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.599
<v Speaker 1>son is an arborist and he has come across this

606
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>before where they've had to remove soil that was put

607
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:09.279
<v Speaker 1>around the base of a tree for the general overall

608
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:14.799
<v Speaker 1>health of the tree. And so it is concerning. And

609
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<v Speaker 1>I've doing this for years and helping people out. I've

610
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:20.759
<v Speaker 1>found that I've had to do a fair amount of

611
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.599
<v Speaker 1>marital counseling and it can get.

612
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Sticky, yes, the other kind of sticky.

613
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<v Speaker 1>And so I don't want to upset your husband. But no,

614
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you're being melodramatic. At all, Barbara, that's

615
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:37.079
<v Speaker 1>something you don't want to do. The upside here is

616
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>it's sand, so it's porous. It has a little more oxygen,

617
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.920
<v Speaker 1>let's say, than if it were clay or heavy soil.

618
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.920
<v Speaker 1>But not a good idea to put twelve to eighteen

619
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<v Speaker 1>inches of soil over the top of tree room.

620
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:51.920
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not.

621
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<v Speaker 3>But you know, Barbara did send photos, so we're able

622
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<v Speaker 3>to see the extent of what this contractor did. And

623
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<v Speaker 3>I will say, to their credit, the contractor did not

624
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:04.200
<v Speaker 3>cover the buttress of the tree that I could see

625
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:08.200
<v Speaker 3>in the photos, and that is really the most crucial thing.

626
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<v Speaker 3>The buttress is where the tree flares where it meets

627
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:15.000
<v Speaker 3>the ground, and the buttress is responsible for so much

628
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 3>of the air exchange and tree health, and so when

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<v Speaker 3>that buttress is covered, it just makes it very difficult

630
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<v Speaker 3>for the tree to live. It starts to suffer and

631
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:25.759
<v Speaker 3>at that point, any little stress will just take it out.

632
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<v Speaker 3>So the good thing is your buttress seems to be intact.

633
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.680
<v Speaker 3>You can see that flare, so that is good. But

634
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<v Speaker 3>I think the real question here is like what was

635
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<v Speaker 3>the sand doing. Is it there to raise the grade

636
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.359
<v Speaker 3>from some work or you know, what are you gonna do.

637
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Are you gonna be planting grass over this, or like,

638
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 3>what's the long term plan? Because even if they did this,

639
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:49.720
<v Speaker 3>you know sooner or later that sand is going to

640
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.839
<v Speaker 3>blow away and you will have far less than twelve

641
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.759
<v Speaker 3>to eighteen inches of soil. So I think, really this

642
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:57.960
<v Speaker 3>is kind of something that needs that does it should

643
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.720
<v Speaker 3>be managed not You don't have to the alarm and

644
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:02.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, stop the presses, but it is something that

645
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:06.240
<v Speaker 3>needs to be considered as you determine what you're going

646
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.200
<v Speaker 3>to do with a space, whether you're going to convert

647
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:10.279
<v Speaker 3>it into lawn or garden bed or if it was

648
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.920
<v Speaker 3>in preparation for construction. That we don't know, but I

649
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.160
<v Speaker 3>would definitely do the best that you can to keep

650
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:18.440
<v Speaker 3>it as thin as possible.

651
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.839
<v Speaker 2>The closer it is to the tree.

652
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Pay attention to the tree, watch its health. It would

653
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.200
<v Speaker 1>start to show if there's something wrong. And I, like

654
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.079
<v Speaker 1>I said, I talked to my son about it, and

655
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>he said that tree roots work their way to the

656
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.599
<v Speaker 1>surface for a reason. Yeah, well, they need moisture and nutrients.

657
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>They also need oxygen, So if you cover them with

658
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.839
<v Speaker 1>twelve to eighteen inches of soil, it's certainly not a

659
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:40.319
<v Speaker 1>good thing.

660
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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, thank you all for your questions, and

661
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:44.920
<v Speaker 3>if you have a question again, you can reach us

662
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 3>at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com. We're going to take

663
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<v Speaker 3>a break. When we come back, we've got Branching News,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show today and Branching News.

671
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Want to talk about a location that both Stacy and

672
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I have visited. If you have not, and you've got

673
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.719
<v Speaker 1>good walking shoes, because it's a two hundred and eighty

674
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:33.760
<v Speaker 1>one acre preserve just southeast of downtown Boston. We're talking

675
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:39.320
<v Speaker 1>about the Arnold Arboretum of Harvard University. A beautiful place,

676
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:41.360
<v Speaker 1>a great place to take a walk, and boy, a

677
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:43.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of history there too, Stacey.

678
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 3>Ough, the history, the collections. It's honestly a magical, magical place,

679
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 3>no matter when you go now, I have been lucky

680
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.599
<v Speaker 3>to have been there in spring. I actually shot a

681
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:56.559
<v Speaker 3>spring flowering shrub story there when I work for Artha

682
00:34:56.559 --> 00:35:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Stewart Living and that was such an incredible experience with

683
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.079
<v Speaker 3>one exception. And that exception was that we had a

684
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:06.840
<v Speaker 3>permit to drive back into the arboretum because you know,

685
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:08.480
<v Speaker 3>we had a bunch of photo equipment and you're not

686
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:11.039
<v Speaker 3>allowed to drive, not allowed to drive. It is all pedestrian.

687
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.320
<v Speaker 3>So we had a permit to drive back there, and

688
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.039
<v Speaker 3>we were on the roads, and you know, we'd come

689
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 3>from New York City, so we had a rental car

690
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:20.920
<v Speaker 3>with New York City plates. So we're back here doing

691
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 3>a photo shoot at the Arnold Arboretum and some guy

692
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 3>walks back next to us and goes, Yankee suck, because

693
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, the Red Sox and the Yankees are big

694
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:33.239
<v Speaker 3>baseball rivals.

695
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:35.199
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, what are you talking about.

696
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm just trying to shoot some great looking plants in

697
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.360
<v Speaker 3>your beautiful arboretum and you want to make this about baseball.

698
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:42.519
<v Speaker 3>They take their baseball very seriously about.

699
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>It, they do. And I can see that happening because

700
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:48.480
<v Speaker 1>when I went to Arnold Arboretam, you're in downtown Boston,

701
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 1>enjoying all the historical sites and everything else. And then

702
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:55.159
<v Speaker 1>you take a ride to Arnold Arboretum, as I mentioned,

703
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of southeast of downtown. You're going to drive right

704
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.719
<v Speaker 1>through Old Back Bay and you get a great look

705
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:05.599
<v Speaker 1>at Fenway Park, historic Fenway Park, and boy do they

706
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.119
<v Speaker 1>love their baseball in that area. So yeah, the New

707
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:10.559
<v Speaker 1>York plates probably weren't of no, they were not.

708
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.039
<v Speaker 3>But I still love the Arnold Arboretam and I can

709
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 3>say without question the spruce collection at the Arnold Arboretam

710
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.159
<v Speaker 3>is just one of the most magical places in this country.

711
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.800
<v Speaker 3>It looks like, I don't know, I can't even I

712
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:23.960
<v Speaker 3>can't even put it into words.

713
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>It's fabulous, it's incredible. It's the jewel. It's free and

714
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>open every day. It's the jewel in the Emerald Necklace

715
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 1>park system that was designed by Frederick law Olmsted, and

716
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 1>it engages the public with all kinds of opportunities to

717
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:41.519
<v Speaker 1>learn all sorts of ages. It popped up in my

718
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.840
<v Speaker 1>mind too, and on our YouTube version of this show,

719
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>have some pictures to share with you of my visit

720
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.719
<v Speaker 1>this fall. There was an article from the Arboretum and

721
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Harvard University on a botanical word mar sessence, marsessence, and

722
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 1>they were talking about aciating mar sessence essentially meaning trees

723
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>that hold their leaves well into winter. And when you

724
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:11.880
<v Speaker 1>think about examples, beech tree is a perfect example oak trees.

725
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 1>There are a variety of trees that hold their leaves

726
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.199
<v Speaker 1>and well at least give us a little bit of

727
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:17.400
<v Speaker 1>interest in the dead of winter.

728
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>You know.

729
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:20.440
<v Speaker 3>I love beech trees are so common out here in

730
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:24.039
<v Speaker 3>West Michigan, and I do love the color that their

731
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:27.039
<v Speaker 3>foliage turns. It's like they're just little ghosts fluttering on

732
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 3>the tree.

733
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.159
<v Speaker 1>Really really beautiful, really a beige light tan color. There

734
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:34.760
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of fun to watch. And the writer

735
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:39.519
<v Speaker 1>here from the Arboretum, Stacey, was talking about an oriental

736
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:45.519
<v Speaker 1>spice bush or willow leaf spice bush, Lindera and Gustafolia

737
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:48.559
<v Speaker 1>and saying that that was a favorite also as it

738
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:51.679
<v Speaker 1>relates to mars essence. Mars essence is also a word

739
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:54.440
<v Speaker 1>that was shared with me by one of our listeners,

740
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:57.599
<v Speaker 1>one of our viewers, and asked about that. So I

741
00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:59.800
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate that that's.

742
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Interesting about the Lindera because we do have lindera benzoin

743
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.639
<v Speaker 3>abundant here in West Michigan, and I don't think that

744
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.400
<v Speaker 3>that that species keeps its foliage, not that I've really noticed,

745
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:11.320
<v Speaker 3>because I mean, it's it's everywhere out here, and I

746
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:13.000
<v Speaker 3>would I would think that I would notice if that

747
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.360
<v Speaker 3>was the case. I do have another caveat about the

748
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Arnold Arbarrita. Okay, what time of the year.

749
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Were you there?

750
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>So it was mid October.

751
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.719
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So when I was there in spring, it had

752
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:27.440
<v Speaker 3>been very rainy and they were unable to cut the

753
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:31.599
<v Speaker 3>acres and acres of grass. And I have never seen

754
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:33.000
<v Speaker 3>so many snakes in my life.

755
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I didn't see any.

756
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:38.559
<v Speaker 3>Right, so, you know, it was just because the grass

757
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 3>had gotten very long. But it was definitely one of

758
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:44.599
<v Speaker 3>those like alarming experiences where you felt like you could

759
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:46.760
<v Speaker 3>not step anywhere. And of course it's it's Boston, so

760
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 3>they're all, you know, garter snakes, and they're harmless snakes.

761
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:53.880
<v Speaker 3>But anytime something is that numerous and they're you know,

762
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:55.840
<v Speaker 3>when you see the snakes and they're all twisted up

763
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:57.000
<v Speaker 3>in the shrubs, it's.

764
00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:58.159
<v Speaker 2>It's a little bit freaky.

765
00:38:58.679 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you.

766
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.360
<v Speaker 3>It's a great time to be there because there's such

767
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.639
<v Speaker 3>an amazing collection. Lilac Sunday is one of their most

768
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.800
<v Speaker 3>famous you know events that they do every Mother's Day.

769
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.960
<v Speaker 3>So many amazing, amazing, you know, beautiful species and varieties,

770
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 3>and it's really just a history of woody plants in

771
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.679
<v Speaker 3>not just America but in the world. But yes, if

772
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 3>you go in May and it's been rainy and it's

773
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.960
<v Speaker 3>been a while since they cut the grass, beware, you.

774
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Know you're right stay see a renowned collection of lilacs.

775
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:35.639
<v Speaker 1>I read over four hundred different lilacs. And you cannot

776
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:38.880
<v Speaker 1>picnic on the grounds there except for one day, and

777
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that's their Mother's Day Lilac event. I looked it up

778
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.760
<v Speaker 1>coming up in twenty twenty five. That's on May eleven,

779
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:48.400
<v Speaker 1>So from ten am to three pm you could bring

780
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:50.679
<v Speaker 1>a picnic basket and hang out with the lot.

781
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 3>There would be few better places to do that. It

782
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:56.199
<v Speaker 3>is just really an amazing place, and there's so much

783
00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:59.360
<v Speaker 3>just sea in Boston anyway, exactly, agree to go there.

784
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.880
<v Speaker 1>What a great place. And of course, if you're an

785
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.840
<v Speaker 1>American history fanatic like I am, you've got to go

786
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.679
<v Speaker 1>to Boston and you got to go to Mike's to

787
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.280
<v Speaker 1>get yourself a really good canoli too, and stand in

788
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:14.599
<v Speaker 1>line for an hour to get that hepticodium dogwoods, Don

789
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Redwood's ginko saw the female ginkos loaded with the fruit.

790
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Maple's bald cypress tree and the telltale roots or knees

791
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.840
<v Speaker 1>that are above the ground. One of my favorite trees

792
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:33.280
<v Speaker 1>has always been paper bark maple.

793
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Ye beautiful.

794
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:41.159
<v Speaker 1>And the size of these on the grounds of the

795
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Arnold Arboretum unreal.

796
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:44.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're not going to be able to see that

797
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:48.679
<v Speaker 3>in very many other places. Trees that mature paperbark maples.

798
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:51.519
<v Speaker 3>And you know you mentioned the Don Redwood. The Don

799
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.559
<v Speaker 3>Redwood at the Arnold Arboretum is the first Don Redwood

800
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:55.599
<v Speaker 3>in the United States.

801
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Really, yes, interesting, very first. Yeah, the collection is amazing.

802
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Couple quick things about the collection, one being they're all

803
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:09.519
<v Speaker 1>tagged with anidized aluminum labels that provide the acquisition of

804
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:13.480
<v Speaker 1>the tree, the family, botanical name, means of propagation, the

805
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:19.320
<v Speaker 1>lineage number, the provenance which is the place of origin

806
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:23.599
<v Speaker 1>as I understand it, common name, and the Arboretum ground's location.

807
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:26.639
<v Speaker 1>The other thing is, of course, the area was very

808
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 1>popular during the pandemic days of twenty twenty and twenty

809
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:34.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty one, and Stacy and I have talked on the

810
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.320
<v Speaker 1>show before about the plant hardiness zone maps, and essentially

811
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.599
<v Speaker 1>the Arnold Arboretum is where this originated. As a matter

812
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:42.880
<v Speaker 1>of fact, they picked up the ball, ran with it

813
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 1>and had the first hardiness zone maps until much later

814
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:50.320
<v Speaker 1>when we get into the nineteen sixties that the USDA

815
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:50.960
<v Speaker 1>picks up on.

816
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:54.039
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and they've had a huge, huge impact on American

817
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:57.760
<v Speaker 3>gardening culture. And yeah, it's you know, probably people will

818
00:41:57.800 --> 00:41:59.920
<v Speaker 3>be like, oh, great an arboretum, It's so boring to

819
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.599
<v Speaker 3>bunch trees. It is not is It's really a place

820
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.159
<v Speaker 3>that is worth clearing out at least an afternoon, if

821
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:06.639
<v Speaker 3>not a whole day to enjoy.

822
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:08.039
<v Speaker 2>If you're in the Boston area.

823
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Bring comfortable shoes and because you're going to walk, you're

824
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:14.400
<v Speaker 1>going to do a lot of walking. Now, if you

825
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:16.960
<v Speaker 1>want to continue that walking and head down the road,

826
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:22.000
<v Speaker 1>you can head also to Forest Hills Cemetery. It is

827
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>one of the finest examples of the gardens cemetery in

828
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:29.239
<v Speaker 1>the United States, founded in eighteen forty eight. So it's

829
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.320
<v Speaker 1>just down the road from the Arnold Arboretum. It's an

830
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:37.920
<v Speaker 1>incredible park like setting. The monuments are amazing, and it

831
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:42.119
<v Speaker 1>was added to the National Register of Historic Places. I

832
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:46.960
<v Speaker 1>believe the Arnold Arboretum is also, but this cemetery is

833
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:51.639
<v Speaker 1>in the National Register of Historic Places and was named

834
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 1>one of the one thousand Greatest Places in Massachusetts. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was just stunning to me too. I was awe

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<v Speaker 1>as I walked through the cemetery. It is still an

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<v Speaker 1>active burial ground, but it's a historic site. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>an open air museum, and that in and of itself

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<v Speaker 1>too is two hundred and seventy five acres of green

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<v Speaker 1>space and our burretum stunning to walk through.

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<v Speaker 3>You're speaking my language, Rick, I am a sucker for

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<v Speaker 3>a good old garden cemetery me too. One of my

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<v Speaker 3>absolute favorite places to be in the entire world. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just it's endlessly fascinating, and the East Coast is so

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<v Speaker 3>great for them, you know, that's really where you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to see some of the most spectacular ones. When I

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<v Speaker 3>was going to school at the New York Botanical Garden,

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<v Speaker 3>we live near Woodlawn Cemetery, which is also one of

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<v Speaker 3>those old garden cemeteries, and so many amazing burials there.

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<v Speaker 3>Famous monuments, also very crucial to the Revolutionary War, so

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<v Speaker 3>there's some Revolutionary War history there. But closer to home,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're looking for a garden cemetery, Cincinnati has spring growth.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever been there?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, spring, Yes, you've talked about that. I have not

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<v Speaker 1>been there.

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<v Speaker 3>It is really a very very special place. Hey, Adrian

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<v Speaker 3>has been there. It's an extraordinary place. So a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit closer to home, and maybe if you're you know,

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<v Speaker 3>on your way down seventy five to Florida or something,

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<v Speaker 3>you can take a little pit stop.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go. And of course downtown Boston to

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<v Speaker 1>the cemetery is there.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I love this amazing to walk through this my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite part of the city.

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<v Speaker 1>Just gives you goosebumps.

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<v Speaker 2>It does.

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<v Speaker 1>Heading to the Commons and then you go over to

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<v Speaker 1>Cheers and have a beer.

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<v Speaker 2>Right you take the little swan boat on the duck pond.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. So anyhow, Forest Hills Cemetery in the

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<v Speaker 1>Boston area. Stacy always pleasure fun to do the show

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<v Speaker 1>with you. Likewise, Rick and Adriana, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for all you're doing. Thanks to you for watching our

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube version, listening to our radio show or our podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for tuning in the gardening Simplified ship
