Speaker 1: Coming to you from Studio A. It's The Gardening Simplified
Speaker 1: Show with Stacey Hervella me, Rick weisst and our engineer
Speaker 1: and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacy, my experience in the
Speaker 1: garden center industry is that December through February, the popularity
Speaker 1: and demand for citrus plants, well, it's soars for the homeowners,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's something that people will buy
Speaker 1: as a houseplant and then as we get to spring
Speaker 1: and summer, put out on the patio or on the deck.
Speaker 1: And of course it's also associated with the lunar New
Speaker 1: Year coming up this year Wednesday, January twenty nine, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. It's a symbol of prosperity. I looked it
Speaker 1: up this year as the Year of the Snake. Ooh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: How I feel about your favorite year.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna get yourself a citrus plant, it's
Speaker 1: a thorny issue, so be careful. I always remember receiving
Speaker 1: even citrus plants at the garden center and the green
Speaker 1: foliage so glossy, the aroma of the blossoms just oh,
Speaker 1: just so beautiful. But be careful you stick your hand
Speaker 1: in that box, you're about to get poked, because they're very,
Speaker 1: very thorny. And the reason for it if you do
Speaker 1: get one of these citrus plants is that they're grafted
Speaker 1: to a hardy rootstock. So I looked up the botanical
Speaker 1: name Stacey. It says Poncerus trifoliata or trifolia orange or
Speaker 1: hardy orange, a citrus relative that's generally used as a
Speaker 1: hedgerow or as a hedge is very thorny. But it
Speaker 1: makes a really great rootstock for the citrus plants that
Speaker 1: we grow at home.
Speaker 3: It makes a really good rootstock for edible citrus. It
Speaker 3: also makes an excellent garden plant on its own. And
Speaker 3: I was just telling you Adriana this morning how much I.
Speaker 2: Love this plant. Awesome, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: I I could go on and on about it. But
Speaker 3: the first time I ever saw this plant, pon Cyrus triflia,
Speaker 3: which is now known as Citrus trifoliata, was at Wave
Speaker 3: Hill Gardens in New York City, just up there in
Speaker 3: the Bronx, and it just stopped me in my tracks
Speaker 3: because I mean, of course, I'd never seen anything like it,
Speaker 3: and it is truly hardy. Actually, pont Cyrus is considered
Speaker 3: hardy to USDA Zone five.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So imagine that an orange relative that you can grow
Speaker 3: outdoors even in USDA Zone five, and it has green
Speaker 3: stems and green thorns and so it's green all year,
Speaker 3: and it's just it's the texture on this plant. Now,
Speaker 3: the thorns are brutal. I mean, the thorns are nothing
Speaker 3: to mess around with. But on the other hand, the
Speaker 3: deer won't mess around with them, so that's pretty great.
Speaker 3: And then it has beautiful, fragrant white flowers in spring,
Speaker 3: and if it gets pollinated, you're gonna get round fruits
Speaker 3: in late summer and winter that will stick around. They
Speaker 3: are edible, but quite acidic. But they're just such a
Speaker 3: cool conversation piece. And there's a cultivar actually available called
Speaker 3: flying dragon yes where that yeah, where the thorns are
Speaker 3: curved like little dragon claws, and it is such a
Speaker 3: cool plant. I am one thousand percent adding upon cyrus
Speaker 3: to my garden in spring twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. I love that. So the plants that we
Speaker 1: would bring in lime lemon, like a myer lemon, orange
Speaker 1: Kalimandan orange, they would be grafted to this rootstock. And
Speaker 1: you know, if you think about it. When the plant
Speaker 1: is young and vulnerable, it's probably good that it has
Speaker 1: those thorns to deal with predators. And then as a
Speaker 1: citrus plant gets older than the thorns are not as
Speaker 1: much of an issue. Now you'll also notice as they
Speaker 1: come into the garden center, maybe the consumer notices it too.
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of USDA labeling and permissions, let's call them,
Speaker 1: or inspections, and that can make sometimes. I know that
Speaker 1: when I was purchasing foliage plants for the garden center,
Speaker 1: it was tough to get the citrus plants. You can't
Speaker 1: ship them between states that grow citrus. The major ones
Speaker 1: in the US, of course, Florida, California, Arizona, Texas, and
Speaker 1: interestingly enough, what's been fun for me to watch is
Speaker 1: the growth of the citrus industry in Georgia. That has
Speaker 1: you know, you think Georgia peaches and peaches in Georgia,
Speaker 1: but that's really taken.
Speaker 2: Off to I didn't know that. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been tremendous growth in Georgia. Now. Of course,
Speaker 1: these USDA approvals, inspections, warnings, et cetera, et cetera are
Speaker 1: very very important because there are citrus diseases in the
Speaker 1: United States. There's citrus greening and it has this long,
Speaker 1: horrible word, but I looked up the pronunciation. They call
Speaker 1: it yellow dragon disease or one long one long bin,
Speaker 1: I believe, so they just call it HLB.
Speaker 2: That's convenient.
Speaker 1: That was the Yeah, that was the pronunciation I was given.
Speaker 1: But so we're going to go with citrus greening. But
Speaker 1: this can cause serious problems to citrus crops, of course,
Speaker 1: citrus canker, citrus black spot, sweet orange scab, citrus variegated chlorosis. Right,
Speaker 1: it goes on and on and on, and of course
Speaker 1: these types of diseases of high concern and citrus growing
Speaker 1: regions of the United States. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: control put over the shipping of these plants across state
Speaker 1: lines or let's say, up into areas where people just
Speaker 1: want one plant and grow it on their deck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that adds a lot of cost.
Speaker 3: And so I would I highly encourage anyone who has
Speaker 3: a nice, very sunny, cool spot in their home who's
Speaker 3: interested in growing citrus to do so. But they are expensive.
Speaker 3: These are expensive houseplants, and you're really going to want
Speaker 3: to make sure that if you're going to you know,
Speaker 3: try to grow one that you're giving at the best
Speaker 3: possible conditions. And you know, to me, trying to grow
Speaker 3: citrus in a cold climate like ours, it's a non negotiable.
Speaker 3: It needs to go outside in the summer. Absolutely just
Speaker 3: doesn't ever recover the vigor, you know, unless you've really
Speaker 3: got great conditions for growing it indoors. But if you
Speaker 3: can do that, I would say it's absolutely worth the
Speaker 3: investment because you know, a citrus plant in bloom in
Speaker 3: winter in your house is just I mean, that is
Speaker 3: the care for the winter time blues right there.
Speaker 1: It's what you're right, it's wonderful. So aside from those
Speaker 1: serious concerns for citrus growers on the part of the
Speaker 1: USDA and all of us, for the person who's growing
Speaker 1: it indoors, it's usually yellowing of foliage and dropping of leaves.
Speaker 1: That is the concern. Deficiencies in nitrogen. And it's kind
Speaker 1: of interesting that if there are deficiencies in nitrogen or
Speaker 1: magnesium or iron or sulfur, they can all kind of
Speaker 1: look alike on the plant. And then you'll find people
Speaker 1: online who are recommending epsom salts for the magnesium. But
Speaker 1: the problem with that is that to be able to
Speaker 1: grow this fruit, you also need calcium. And so if
Speaker 1: you have an imbalance, just using EPSOM salts isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: something I recommend. Again, coming from the garden center industry,
Speaker 1: I would recommend something like aspoma has citrus tone and
Speaker 1: that has calcium in it has magnesium in it to
Speaker 1: help green the leaves. But it's going to be in
Speaker 1: the proper proportions so we don't get imbalanced stacy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know the other thing about EPSOM salts.
Speaker 3: People throw up some salts around like it's you know,
Speaker 3: going out of style, but they are salts, and particularly
Speaker 3: when you are growing something indoors and it's not going
Speaker 3: to get that nice full, you know leeching effect of
Speaker 3: frequent rains. That salt is going to build up in
Speaker 3: the soil. It's going to cause all sorts of problems.
Speaker 3: So I would also not recommend EPSOM salts on containerized
Speaker 3: citrus instead. Yeah, EPSOM or sorry, isoma citrus tone is
Speaker 3: such a great choice. I have the most successful indoor
Speaker 3: citrus I have ever seen. That is how she grew
Speaker 3: her play.
Speaker 2: Okay, she had kind of.
Speaker 3: Like one of those you know, sun rooms that they
Speaker 3: put on a lot in the seventies and eighties that was,
Speaker 3: you know, off the side of your house, and she
Speaker 3: had gorgeous citrus in there. But of course the trick
Speaker 3: with the Aspeoma citrus tone is that it does it's
Speaker 3: not really sold in areas where citrus is not widely grown,
Speaker 3: so you might have to order it by mail, but
Speaker 3: it is worth it because, yeah, best lemon indoor citrus
Speaker 3: I've ever seen was grown with that.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, it makes me think of Monticello and Thomas
Speaker 1: Jefferson visiting there and in the sunroom. Just beautiful citrus
Speaker 1: and it's inspiring in the winter. You know, we're talking
Speaker 1: about lemon trees like Meyer lemon, Dwarf Eureka lemon. Of course,
Speaker 1: the beautiful ornamental citrus, the Kalamandan orange, and boy talk
Speaker 1: about the scent on those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that pretty. That's one of the easier
Speaker 3: ones to grow indoors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a good choice exactly.
Speaker 1: And we would sell orange, kumquat, lime, grapefruit on standards
Speaker 1: or as bushes, and we even had them in hanging baskets.
Speaker 1: So there's a variety of ways you can get the citrus.
Speaker 1: If you're able to locate some. Here's a citrus limb,
Speaker 1: a rick. I have a thought, a feeling citrus is
Speaker 1: both a snack and self healing. To be a lemon,
Speaker 1: you can't be thin skinned. Your horticultural wonderkinned both thick
Speaker 1: skinned and appealing. My friend, it's not hyperb believe that
Speaker 1: citrus is treasure grown on a tree. Boy, this is
Speaker 1: a stretch stacy. So come on, take a big gulp
Speaker 1: of those cellulose fibers and pulp. You'll benefit from vitamin C.
Speaker 1: So if you're trying to grow some citrus indoors, good
Speaker 1: drainage the soil's important, drainage holes in the pot. We
Speaker 1: talked about the fertilizer. The Aspoma citrus tone is something
Speaker 1: that we recommend lots of light, keep it away from
Speaker 1: a heat register. And your watering practices are going to
Speaker 1: be important. Too much water or too little water is
Speaker 1: going to cause problems.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And you do need to fertilize. You know, they are
Speaker 3: definitely very hungry plants. Usually we don't recommend going too
Speaker 3: crazy in winter with a fertilizer, but you're going to
Speaker 3: want to keep a steady diet on your citrus another
Speaker 3: thing I've learned from that great citrus grower. And yeah,
Speaker 3: so they are a challenge but so rewarding. And I
Speaker 3: think people also, as in so many other cases, need
Speaker 3: to have reasonable expectations. You are probably not going to
Speaker 3: have enough lemons to share with your friends and family
Speaker 3: on your citrus street, but I honestly think it's worth
Speaker 3: it just for how beautiful they are, and of course
Speaker 3: the fragrance of the flowers.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And of course if you're growing them as houseplants
Speaker 1: bringing them out in summer, don't go cheap on the pot.
Speaker 1: Make sure the pot's big enough. As Stacy mentioned, they
Speaker 1: do need fertilizer, they do need water in summer, and
Speaker 1: you want those roots to have some room to grow.
Speaker 1: So if you're looking at it as a house plant,
Speaker 1: let's not let that plant get riot bound. Let's see
Speaker 1: how Stacey ties this in in Plants on Trial that's
Speaker 1: coming up next here on the Gardening Simplified Chill.
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Speaker 3: It's the Citrus Show. If you're not growing citrus, you're
Speaker 3: eating citrus at this time of year. It's a little
Speaker 3: something to help you through the dreary winter. And of course,
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, back in the day, like
Speaker 3: I used to read all these books and it was
Speaker 3: like a big deal for a little girl to get
Speaker 3: an orange in her Christmas stocking right in the toe.
Speaker 2: That was like a big thing.
Speaker 1: We'd get an orange and a candy bar. And then
Speaker 1: of course as kids, we drank a lot of tang.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the thing that you did.
Speaker 3: Because yes, of course, but you know, we would be
Speaker 3: remiss to have a citrus show and not mention David
Speaker 3: fair tid David Fairchild is he was actually born in
Speaker 3: East Lansing, like our guests last week, doctor Ellen Armitage.
Speaker 3: He was born in East Lansing, Michigan, but he grew
Speaker 3: up in Kansas and he ended up becoming an economic
Speaker 3: botanist who brought some of the most important food crops
Speaker 3: to the United States. He is responsible for having different
Speaker 3: hops in the United States. The list of crops that
Speaker 3: he brought to the US goes on and on and on,
Speaker 3: but probably one of his most iconic and important contributions
Speaker 3: was citrus, and so he brought that over and he
Speaker 3: really developed the techniques of grafting citrus and is the
Speaker 3: reason why at one point Florida was really the citrus
Speaker 3: capital of the United States. I know that has changed
Speaker 3: a bit, but he is a fascinating person. I was
Speaker 3: lucky enough to visit his estate, which is down near Miami.
Speaker 3: It is open to the public by appointment, and you
Speaker 3: can actually see at his estate, which is known as
Speaker 3: the Kampong Kampong, the very firm citrus plants that were
Speaker 3: ever brought into the US. They are actually growing outside
Speaker 3: his house and it's a fascinating garden, a beautiful thing
Speaker 3: to see. So if you're in Miami, it's definitely worth
Speaker 3: checking out. If you're not going to be in Miami
Speaker 3: and you want to learn more about David Fairchild, I
Speaker 3: highly recommend the book The Food Explorer by Daniel Stone,
Speaker 3: which goes into his life and just the incredible things
Speaker 3: that he was able to accomplish and the way that
Speaker 3: he changed the way that we eat and grow food.
Speaker 3: So really interesting story there, good gardening gift if you're
Speaker 3: looking for a last minute gift for someone on your list.
Speaker 3: And I do have a plant on trial, but I
Speaker 3: have to kind of continue on a citrus related tangent.
Speaker 3: I can't help it. We don't have anything in the
Speaker 3: citrus family in the proven Winter's Color Choice line, as
Speaker 3: much as I personally would like to have upon cyrus
Speaker 3: because I just think they are the coolest plants. I
Speaker 3: don't think covered in huge green thorns is quite the
Speaker 3: selling point that we're looking for plants in the proven
Speaker 3: Winner's line, so I think its outlook to eventually be
Speaker 3: introduced is is low. But that doesn't mean there aren't
Speaker 3: some really cool citrus relatives that we can't grow here
Speaker 3: in Michigan. And that's kind of surprising, right Like people
Speaker 3: think of these as very very tender plants. But I
Speaker 3: wanted to mention a plant that I grow abundantly in
Speaker 3: my garden because it does self so quite abundantly, and
Speaker 3: that is rue Rudi graviolins and it is in the
Speaker 3: citrus family, and it's called rue r r u e
Speaker 3: and ruta. The scientific name is actually the namesake of
Speaker 3: the entire citrus family, the rue tasi. So it's kind
Speaker 3: of the archetype of this of the family. And it's
Speaker 3: just a beautiful Mediterranean herb with kind of bluish green foliage.
Speaker 3: It has a very pungent and unique smell. The deer
Speaker 3: never ever touch it. I had a very mature rue
Speaker 3: that I just had to move, so it had some
Speaker 3: die back, but that thing bloomed for us here in
Speaker 3: Michigan all winter long.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: It was covered in snow and it was still putting
Speaker 3: out flowers.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I mean not, you know, NotI covered in flowers, but
Speaker 3: there were still flowers on it, still creating fresh flowers,
Speaker 3: still attracting pollinating insects. A good reason to grow roo
Speaker 3: also is that it is a food source for swallowtail butterflies.
Speaker 3: Got to love that, so, you know, another food source
Speaker 3: for them. And so I love this plant. Itself sows
Speaker 3: in its garden, in my garden, all over the place.
Speaker 3: It's not really that edible. You'll see some things if
Speaker 3: you look online for people say, oh, you can do
Speaker 3: this with it, you can do that with it. Apparently
Speaker 3: it was very popular as an edible way back in
Speaker 3: the day during Renaissance times.
Speaker 2: I had always heard.
Speaker 3: That Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci attributed their creative powers
Speaker 3: to rue. How exactly they consumed to this room I
Speaker 3: have yet to discover. But you know what, if it
Speaker 3: was good enough for them, just having it in my garden,
Speaker 3: I feel like is a little bit closer to that
Speaker 3: level of genius.
Speaker 1: Now, the Roo family is rather large and has a
Speaker 1: great history, but would you say that Citrus is probably
Speaker 1: the most dominant, probably the best known.
Speaker 2: That's probably the best known for sure.
Speaker 3: But there is another really cool member of the citrus
Speaker 3: family that is actually native to Michigan. Uh huh, believe
Speaker 3: it or not, and that is hold on to your
Speaker 3: seats Xanthosylum americanum. And this is such a cool plant.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Okay, So it's sometimes known as prickly ash.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: It sounds like it's going to be super rare, But
Speaker 3: it is abundant here in West Michigan. And in fact,
Speaker 3: I could walk just less than a mile down here
Speaker 3: from Studio A and show you or some is growing
Speaker 3: wild in a park near here. So it's not uncommon
Speaker 3: at all. And it is a relative of the sescheuon peppercorn.
Speaker 3: So if you like to eat Chinese food or experiment
Speaker 3: with Chinese cooking, or have ever eaten really hot and
Speaker 3: spicy seshuon food, the sesshuon peppercorn is very characteristic of this.
Speaker 3: This is a relative of that. I have not tried
Speaker 3: any pepper from it yet, but it is a very
Speaker 3: very cool and interesting citrus relative native to Michigan. Also
Speaker 3: attracts a ton of swallowtail butterflies. And it's just one
Speaker 3: of those like cool plant facts.
Speaker 1: That is fantastic, really cool. And you know, I was
Speaker 1: going to say, some people might guess when you were
Speaker 1: saying what type of plant it was, some people might
Speaker 1: guess osage orange. But osage orange, of course, is in
Speaker 1: a different fam I think it's in the mulberry family.
Speaker 3: Yes, that would make sense based on the fruit. So yeah,
Speaker 3: osage orange is just a total misnomer. But speaking of misnomers,
Speaker 3: that is how we are getting to today's pulllant On trial,
Speaker 3: one of the three hundred and twenty plus proof of
Speaker 3: winners colored choice shrubs that you can decide if you
Speaker 3: want to put in your garden, and today's plant on
Speaker 3: trial for the Citrus Show, Juiced orange Cystrum. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: not in the citrus family. It is actually in the
Speaker 3: tomato family, and it is a shrub, which a lot
Speaker 3: of people don't think of shrubs being in the silanasia
Speaker 3: or tomato family, but of course with a name like
Speaker 3: juiced orange, perfectly for the citrus show. So this is
Speaker 3: a Cesstrum also known as jessamine. It is a flowering shrub.
Speaker 3: It is native to sort of Central and South America.
Speaker 3: And as you might guess based on that and the
Speaker 3: fact that you probably have not heard of this genus before,
Speaker 3: not the hardiest plant, hardy down to USDA seven B
Speaker 3: and heat tolerant through USDA Zone ten. So really more
Speaker 3: of a plant for hot climates, although I will say
Speaker 3: for those of us in cold climates, a great container
Speaker 3: plant that will bloom for you all summer. I have
Speaker 3: grown it myself like that because it's so beautiful, as
Speaker 3: you might have guessed from the name, sort of orange yellow, orange,
Speaker 3: juice colored flowers, and they're like little miniature trumpets, but
Speaker 3: they're clustered together in these kind of round globs that
Speaker 3: just cover the plant. And it's one of those warm
Speaker 3: climate plants that just blooms and blooms and blooms and blooms.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's not one that just says, okay, well, I've had
Speaker 3: my two week blooming period and now I'm done. In
Speaker 3: the summer, this plant does flour continuously without any kind
Speaker 3: of maintenance or dead heading or anything like that. It
Speaker 3: attracts tons of butterflies and hummingbirds. So I think this
Speaker 3: is a plant that's really worth growing as a seasonal annual,
Speaker 3: even though it's going to cost a little bit more.
Speaker 3: You're probably gonna need to get it in mail order,
Speaker 3: you know, and spend maybe twenty twenty five dollars for it.
Speaker 3: But it really does have the flower power, and it's
Speaker 3: just it's just a really really neat and interesting plant.
Speaker 3: The deer in my yard did not touch it, so
Speaker 3: that's always a good thing for any of us. Loves
Speaker 3: the sun, loves loves loves growing in hot, sunny areas,
Speaker 3: and juiced orange is a little bit different than other
Speaker 3: cystrum that are on the market in that it is
Speaker 3: more compact, which does make it more suitable for growing
Speaker 3: in seasonal containers than you know, a larger plant that's
Speaker 3: going to be kind of rangy. So this one's going
Speaker 3: to stay nice and compact, not really going to need
Speaker 3: any proof not get an eating dead heading. I did
Speaker 3: fertilize mine in the same time that I fertilized my
Speaker 3: other annuals, and again I was rewarded with flowers, you know, NonStop,
Speaker 3: basically from beginning of June until frost.
Speaker 1: And when we've talked about this plant before. The thing
Speaker 1: that I think is the reward and you mentioned it,
Speaker 1: are the trumpet like flowers great for pollinators. Wow, it's
Speaker 1: just stunning. Any lusters up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really like nice round clusters. It just has a
Speaker 3: very unique look. And of course anytime you've got trumpet
Speaker 3: shake flowers, you know, my ears perk up because I'm
Speaker 3: thinking hummingbirds. And indeed they did really visit and enjoy
Speaker 3: this plant. So juice orange comes from the color, not
Speaker 3: from its relatives. It's very drought tolerant. Although this is
Speaker 3: a situation where if you are growing it as a
Speaker 3: container plant, you're not really gonna want to push that
Speaker 3: too much because you're gonna want the best possible performance
Speaker 3: from it, so that you're getting all of those flowers
Speaker 3: that make it worth the little bit of extra cost
Speaker 3: that it has, and you know the time that you're
Speaker 3: gonna put into it, but you can always try to
Speaker 3: bring it indoors and grow it as a houseplant. I
Speaker 3: would suspect I did not try that myself. I don't
Speaker 3: have a great house for houseplants, but I would suspect
Speaker 3: that it would probably be easier to grow indoors than
Speaker 3: your average citrus plants, so it would at least be
Speaker 3: worth trying trying to bring in. So that is a
Speaker 3: juiced orange cestrum. You can take a look at pictures
Speaker 3: of that, of course, on the YouTube version of the show,
Speaker 3: or on our website at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com.
Speaker 3: You can put all the details there as well.
Speaker 1: Did you drink tang as a kid?
Speaker 2: I did not, No, I.
Speaker 3: You know, but I remember the commercial. Is it the
Speaker 3: same formula?
Speaker 1: It's it's and you people will use it to clean
Speaker 1: out their dishwasher.
Speaker 2: What from like the citric acid or something. It just
Speaker 2: does just.
Speaker 1: Run a dose of Tang through your dishwasher.
Speaker 3: That sounds more expensive than your average dishwasher cleaner. But
Speaker 3: I guess if you already got tang on hand, because
Speaker 3: you know, I remember bugging my mom to get it
Speaker 3: for us, because I was like the astronauts drank it correct,
Speaker 3: you know. But my mom was very careful about sugar intakes,
Speaker 3: so we never did really have tang.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I drank a lot of it as a kid.
Speaker 1: That explains a lot. And I drank from the garden hose,
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 2: But did you drink tang made with garden hose water?
Speaker 1: Probably?
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Speaker 3: gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show,
Speaker 3: where it's time for us to answer your guard questions.
Speaker 3: Because that's how we try to simplify gardening for you,
Speaker 3: is you know, kind of tell you the how and
Speaker 3: the why of things, because to me that's the most
Speaker 3: important thing. You know, I can sit here all day
Speaker 3: and answer people's questions and say, oh, putting your roses
Speaker 3: in March next. But I don't want to just tell
Speaker 3: you that. I want to tell you the how and
Speaker 3: the why, give you the information so that you can
Speaker 3: understand why, because that, to me makes all the difference.
Speaker 3: That's what makes you a gardener and not just you know,
Speaker 3: a robot that takes care of plants.
Speaker 1: It's the gift that keeps giving.
Speaker 2: I think so.
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Speaker 3: can always reach us at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps you are.
Speaker 3: Struggling to grow citrus, We've already given you a lot
Speaker 3: of tips. Chances are it probably doesn't have enough light,
Speaker 3: which I find is the main thing that dooms citrus indoors,
Speaker 3: at least when I have attempted to grow it, as
Speaker 3: well as it's unforgiving nature when it comes to water.
Speaker 3: Because unforgiving houseplants and me do not get along.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for most people.
Speaker 2: Now for most people, I mean there's people who are
Speaker 2: up on it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: When I was younger, I was like an only levin apartment.
Speaker 3: I worked really hard at it. But now I'm just
Speaker 3: like eh. But I do have some very old houseplants.
Speaker 3: They're just extremely forgiving. That's why they've lasted so long.
Speaker 1: Forgiveness is important. And yes, water is the number one
Speaker 1: killer of house plans.
Speaker 3: And certainly with citrus. So it's a tricky one. But again,
Speaker 3: if you've got the right conditions, it's worth it. So
Speaker 3: you can reach us again gardening simplified on air dot
Speaker 3: com and we'd be happy to pool our expertise and
Speaker 3: help you with whatever is troubling you and your gardens.
Speaker 3: So what do we got in the mailbag?
Speaker 1: Stacey Ann asks us I planted a couple of gin
Speaker 1: Fizz junipers this spring. Boy, I love those. They're so
Speaker 1: beautiful and and says they've done well heading into winter.
Speaker 1: I've watered them, put them, put down shredded leaves around them.
Speaker 1: They get some protection from the worst winds, but I
Speaker 1: have seen drifting in their location. They will get sun
Speaker 1: on them on clear days. Wondering if I need to
Speaker 1: cover them with burlap and if so, how it seems
Speaker 1: hard to do because of their arching habit and is
Speaker 1: in zone five eight.
Speaker 3: You know I love junipers. I used to not like them.
Speaker 3: I'm going to spend a lot of my life disliking
Speaker 3: junipers partially because as a landscaper, I would have to
Speaker 3: pull out those weeds that grow up through the middle
Speaker 3: level and I had.
Speaker 1: To unload truckloads of them, and I didn't like them either.
Speaker 1: My arms would be raw.
Speaker 3: Yes, they can be very painful. They're not super like.
Speaker 3: They don't look I think that's the thing too. They
Speaker 3: don't look like they're going to be needily and scrapy.
Speaker 3: But once you actually start engaging with them, it can be.
Speaker 1: Very pay personality.
Speaker 3: Yes, but what surprises me, even as a juniper enthusiast,
Speaker 3: of course, I've gained a lot more appreciation for them
Speaker 3: now that I live in a very sunny and very
Speaker 3: dry environment and have deer, so junipers can deal with
Speaker 3: all three of those things well. But what surprises me
Speaker 3: is no matter where you drive in Michigan and probably
Speaker 3: throughout the Midwest, you are going to see junipers self
Speaker 3: sewing everywhere. They birds eat the berries and the plants grow.
Speaker 3: And I think that's just a true testament to how
Speaker 3: durable and tolerant these are. So and I will say,
Speaker 3: you do not need to do a thing to make
Speaker 3: your gin fizz. Junipers more welcome in your home, and
Speaker 3: probably the more that you do for them, the less
Speaker 3: they will like it.
Speaker 1: I see them growing on the dunes of Lake Michigan,
Speaker 1: and not just the back dunes, the fore dunes, which
Speaker 1: is some of the most unforgiving environment you can find
Speaker 1: for plants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very sandy, a lot of wind, a lot of
Speaker 3: drifting sand, a lot of sun, and you know, often
Speaker 3: very little water. So juniper is not one of those
Speaker 3: plants that's going to need a lot of help and
Speaker 3: protection for winter. And the answer is, don't bother with
Speaker 3: a burlap. You would just regret it anyway, because gin
Speaker 3: fizz is not the prickliest juniper, but it does still
Speaker 3: have some prickles on it. And actually, you know, the
Speaker 3: interesting thing about juniper and prickly foliage is junipers have
Speaker 3: two types of foliage. They have immature foliage, which is
Speaker 3: prickly to deter predation when the plant has younger growth
Speaker 3: or is smaller, and then that becomes a scale like
Speaker 3: foliage that's not prickly, which is one of the reasons
Speaker 3: why junipers kind of trick people into thinking they're not prickly,
Speaker 3: because they they do have both. But yeah, they don't
Speaker 3: need anything you don't need to bother, you know, protecting it,
Speaker 3: even if you planted these in full which generally, you know,
Speaker 3: we talked a lot about full planting this past autumn.
Speaker 3: We don't recommend planting most evergreens, but a very you know, small,
Speaker 3: minimal needled evergreen like a juniper, no problem at all.
Speaker 3: So I think that you've done everything that you need
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 3: You know, junipers don't even really tend to get like
Speaker 3: wind burn like a lot of other conifers can. So
Speaker 3: and you've planted one of the toughest, most durable, most
Speaker 3: forgiving plants, and you don't need to do a darn thing.
Speaker 3: Just sit back and enjoy.
Speaker 1: And your comment was great about the watering space. And
Speaker 1: Anne says she's in Zone five A but has watered
Speaker 1: them and put down shredded leaves around the base way
Speaker 1: to go. Anne, that's okay. You don't want them going
Speaker 1: into winter drive.
Speaker 2: No, you definitely don't.
Speaker 1: Tina asks us, love your show. I have a mature
Speaker 1: Abelia Edward Goucher. My problem is the flowers are only
Speaker 1: on the tips. Everything else is crisscrossing in the middle
Speaker 1: of the plant. It's not attractive anymore. Can I cut
Speaker 1: it to the ground? Will it grow back correctly? So, Stacy,
Speaker 1: can Tina hack this plant back?
Speaker 3: Yes, you can, Tina. Abelia are great plants, and we've
Speaker 3: talked about him a lot on the show. I think
Speaker 3: they're really growing in popularity, partially because people are discovering
Speaker 3: that they are heartier than most people had expected earlier
Speaker 3: or previously, so they were really thought it as more
Speaker 3: of a southern plant, where now we're discovering they can
Speaker 3: grow in the north quite well. And there's just so
Speaker 3: many cool new varieties with really interesting foliage. Edward Gusche
Speaker 3: or Edward Goucher is an older variety and mostly ground
Speaker 3: for its fragrant flowers to attract humming and butterflies. But
Speaker 3: as with many older varieties, and as with many of
Speaker 3: these kinds of shrubs that have these really slender twigs,
Speaker 3: so Abelia Doutsia are two that run to mind, as
Speaker 3: well as Spyriea. They can get kind of sticky as
Speaker 3: they as they grow older, so you just see a
Speaker 3: lot of those sticks and it doesn't look attractive. And
Speaker 3: they do indeed benefit from a rejuvenation pruning. As we've
Speaker 3: talked about. So yeah, just go ahead and cut the
Speaker 3: whole thing back to stubs. I would recommend doing that
Speaker 3: this coming spring, don't do it now, and that is
Speaker 3: going to give the plant a whole new lease on life.
Speaker 3: It's going to come out with fresh foliage. It's going
Speaker 3: to be really colorful and dense and beautiful. But as
Speaker 3: far as the flowers forming primarily on the tips of
Speaker 3: the branches, that is somewhat the nature of the beasts,
Speaker 3: so that is kind of what abelias do. But usually
Speaker 3: they should have quite a few flowers. So even though
Speaker 3: they are mostly forming at the tips, they do bloom
Speaker 3: continuously through summer as long as they're happy, and so
Speaker 3: you usually do have quite a few flowers. But you're
Speaker 3: just not going to get like that, you know, kind
Speaker 3: of curtainy look that you see on something like a
Speaker 3: lilac or a rose, where there's really flowers from the
Speaker 3: ground to the top. The abelias really are going to
Speaker 3: mostly just flower on top. So if you're seeing that,
Speaker 3: not necessarily a cause for concern. Pretty normal for most abelias.
Speaker 1: And if you're keeping score at home, when you say sticky,
Speaker 1: you're talking about wood, not adhesion.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. I mean a lot of sticks in there.
Speaker 1: Okay, Barbara asks us, Hello, I love your show and
Speaker 1: never miss it. I've got a problem. We recently had
Speaker 1: an excavation work done on our property. The last thing
Speaker 1: they did was move a very thick layer of sand
Speaker 1: up to twelve to eighteen inches over most of the
Speaker 1: roots of our very beautiful, mature crimson king maple tree.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a lot of sand.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of sand. I sounded the alarm. My
Speaker 1: husband is mad because he thinks I'm being melodramatic. I
Speaker 1: think it will smother the tree and that sand should
Speaker 1: be removed. What would Rick Weist Junior say, Yeah, my
Speaker 1: son is an arborist and he has come across this
Speaker 1: before where they've had to remove soil that was put
Speaker 1: around the base of a tree for the general overall
Speaker 1: health of the tree. And so it is concerning. And
Speaker 1: I've doing this for years and helping people out. I've
Speaker 1: found that I've had to do a fair amount of
Speaker 1: marital counseling and it can get.
Speaker 2: Sticky, yes, the other kind of sticky.
Speaker 1: And so I don't want to upset your husband. But no,
Speaker 1: I don't think you're being melodramatic. At all, Barbara, that's
Speaker 1: something you don't want to do. The upside here is
Speaker 1: it's sand, so it's porous. It has a little more oxygen,
Speaker 1: let's say, than if it were clay or heavy soil.
Speaker 1: But not a good idea to put twelve to eighteen
Speaker 1: inches of soil over the top of tree room.
Speaker 2: No, it's not.
Speaker 3: But you know, Barbara did send photos, so we're able
Speaker 3: to see the extent of what this contractor did. And
Speaker 3: I will say, to their credit, the contractor did not
Speaker 3: cover the buttress of the tree that I could see
Speaker 3: in the photos, and that is really the most crucial thing.
Speaker 3: The buttress is where the tree flares where it meets
Speaker 3: the ground, and the buttress is responsible for so much
Speaker 3: of the air exchange and tree health, and so when
Speaker 3: that buttress is covered, it just makes it very difficult
Speaker 3: for the tree to live. It starts to suffer and
Speaker 3: at that point, any little stress will just take it out.
Speaker 3: So the good thing is your buttress seems to be intact.
Speaker 3: You can see that flare, so that is good. But
Speaker 3: I think the real question here is like what was
Speaker 3: the sand doing. Is it there to raise the grade
Speaker 3: from some work or you know, what are you gonna do.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna be planting grass over this, or like,
Speaker 3: what's the long term plan? Because even if they did this,
Speaker 3: you know sooner or later that sand is going to
Speaker 3: blow away and you will have far less than twelve
Speaker 3: to eighteen inches of soil. So I think, really this
Speaker 3: is kind of something that needs that does it should
Speaker 3: be managed not You don't have to the alarm and
Speaker 3: you know, stop the presses, but it is something that
Speaker 3: needs to be considered as you determine what you're going
Speaker 3: to do with a space, whether you're going to convert
Speaker 3: it into lawn or garden bed or if it was
Speaker 3: in preparation for construction. That we don't know, but I
Speaker 3: would definitely do the best that you can to keep
Speaker 3: it as thin as possible.
Speaker 2: The closer it is to the tree.
Speaker 1: Pay attention to the tree, watch its health. It would
Speaker 1: start to show if there's something wrong. And I, like
Speaker 1: I said, I talked to my son about it, and
Speaker 1: he said that tree roots work their way to the
Speaker 1: surface for a reason. Yeah, well, they need moisture and nutrients.
Speaker 1: They also need oxygen, So if you cover them with
Speaker 1: twelve to eighteen inches of soil, it's certainly not a
Speaker 1: good thing.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, thank you all for your questions, and
Speaker 3: if you have a question again, you can reach us
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show today and Branching News.
Speaker 1: Want to talk about a location that both Stacy and
Speaker 1: I have visited. If you have not, and you've got
Speaker 1: good walking shoes, because it's a two hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: one acre preserve just southeast of downtown Boston. We're talking
Speaker 1: about the Arnold Arboretum of Harvard University. A beautiful place,
Speaker 1: a great place to take a walk, and boy, a
Speaker 1: lot of history there too, Stacey.
Speaker 3: Ough, the history, the collections. It's honestly a magical, magical place,
Speaker 3: no matter when you go now, I have been lucky
Speaker 3: to have been there in spring. I actually shot a
Speaker 3: spring flowering shrub story there when I work for Artha
Speaker 3: Stewart Living and that was such an incredible experience with
Speaker 3: one exception. And that exception was that we had a
Speaker 3: permit to drive back into the arboretum because you know,
Speaker 3: we had a bunch of photo equipment and you're not
Speaker 3: allowed to drive, not allowed to drive. It is all pedestrian.
Speaker 3: So we had a permit to drive back there, and
Speaker 3: we were on the roads, and you know, we'd come
Speaker 3: from New York City, so we had a rental car
Speaker 3: with New York City plates. So we're back here doing
Speaker 3: a photo shoot at the Arnold Arboretum and some guy
Speaker 3: walks back next to us and goes, Yankee suck, because
Speaker 3: you know, the Red Sox and the Yankees are big
Speaker 3: baseball rivals.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to shoot some great looking plants in
Speaker 3: your beautiful arboretum and you want to make this about baseball.
Speaker 3: They take their baseball very seriously about.
Speaker 1: It, they do. And I can see that happening because
Speaker 1: when I went to Arnold Arboretam, you're in downtown Boston,
Speaker 1: enjoying all the historical sites and everything else. And then
Speaker 1: you take a ride to Arnold Arboretum, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: kind of southeast of downtown. You're going to drive right
Speaker 1: through Old Back Bay and you get a great look
Speaker 1: at Fenway Park, historic Fenway Park, and boy do they
Speaker 1: love their baseball in that area. So yeah, the New
Speaker 1: York plates probably weren't of no, they were not.
Speaker 3: But I still love the Arnold Arboretam and I can
Speaker 3: say without question the spruce collection at the Arnold Arboretam
Speaker 3: is just one of the most magical places in this country.
Speaker 3: It looks like, I don't know, I can't even I
Speaker 3: can't even put it into words.
Speaker 1: It's fabulous, it's incredible. It's the jewel. It's free and
Speaker 1: open every day. It's the jewel in the Emerald Necklace
Speaker 1: park system that was designed by Frederick law Olmsted, and
Speaker 1: it engages the public with all kinds of opportunities to
Speaker 1: learn all sorts of ages. It popped up in my
Speaker 1: mind too, and on our YouTube version of this show,
Speaker 1: have some pictures to share with you of my visit
Speaker 1: this fall. There was an article from the Arboretum and
Speaker 1: Harvard University on a botanical word mar sessence, marsessence, and
Speaker 1: they were talking about aciating mar sessence essentially meaning trees
Speaker 1: that hold their leaves well into winter. And when you
Speaker 1: think about examples, beech tree is a perfect example oak trees.
Speaker 1: There are a variety of trees that hold their leaves
Speaker 1: and well at least give us a little bit of
Speaker 1: interest in the dead of winter.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I love beech trees are so common out here in
Speaker 3: West Michigan, and I do love the color that their
Speaker 3: foliage turns. It's like they're just little ghosts fluttering on
Speaker 3: the tree.
Speaker 1: Really really beautiful, really a beige light tan color. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of fun to watch. And the writer
Speaker 1: here from the Arboretum, Stacey, was talking about an oriental
Speaker 1: spice bush or willow leaf spice bush, Lindera and Gustafolia
Speaker 1: and saying that that was a favorite also as it
Speaker 1: relates to mars essence. Mars essence is also a word
Speaker 1: that was shared with me by one of our listeners,
Speaker 1: one of our viewers, and asked about that. So I
Speaker 1: really appreciate that that's.
Speaker 3: Interesting about the Lindera because we do have lindera benzoin
Speaker 3: abundant here in West Michigan, and I don't think that
Speaker 3: that that species keeps its foliage, not that I've really noticed,
Speaker 3: because I mean, it's it's everywhere out here, and I
Speaker 3: would I would think that I would notice if that
Speaker 3: was the case. I do have another caveat about the
Speaker 3: Arnold Arbarrita. Okay, what time of the year.
Speaker 2: Were you there?
Speaker 1: So it was mid October.
Speaker 3: Okay, So when I was there in spring, it had
Speaker 3: been very rainy and they were unable to cut the
Speaker 3: acres and acres of grass. And I have never seen
Speaker 3: so many snakes in my life.
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't see any.
Speaker 3: Right, so, you know, it was just because the grass
Speaker 3: had gotten very long. But it was definitely one of
Speaker 3: those like alarming experiences where you felt like you could
Speaker 3: not step anywhere. And of course it's it's Boston, so
Speaker 3: they're all, you know, garter snakes, and they're harmless snakes.
Speaker 3: But anytime something is that numerous and they're you know,
Speaker 3: when you see the snakes and they're all twisted up
Speaker 3: in the shrubs, it's.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit freaky.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: It's a great time to be there because there's such
Speaker 3: an amazing collection. Lilac Sunday is one of their most
Speaker 3: famous you know events that they do every Mother's Day.
Speaker 3: So many amazing, amazing, you know, beautiful species and varieties,
Speaker 3: and it's really just a history of woody plants in
Speaker 3: not just America but in the world. But yes, if
Speaker 3: you go in May and it's been rainy and it's
Speaker 3: been a while since they cut the grass, beware, you.
Speaker 1: Know you're right stay see a renowned collection of lilacs.
Speaker 1: I read over four hundred different lilacs. And you cannot
Speaker 1: picnic on the grounds there except for one day, and
Speaker 1: that's their Mother's Day Lilac event. I looked it up
Speaker 1: coming up in twenty twenty five. That's on May eleven,
Speaker 1: So from ten am to three pm you could bring
Speaker 1: a picnic basket and hang out with the lot.
Speaker 3: There would be few better places to do that. It
Speaker 3: is just really an amazing place, and there's so much
Speaker 3: just sea in Boston anyway, exactly, agree to go there.
Speaker 1: What a great place. And of course, if you're an
Speaker 1: American history fanatic like I am, you've got to go
Speaker 1: to Boston and you got to go to Mike's to
Speaker 1: get yourself a really good canoli too, and stand in
Speaker 1: line for an hour to get that hepticodium dogwoods, Don
Speaker 1: Redwood's ginko saw the female ginkos loaded with the fruit.
Speaker 1: Maple's bald cypress tree and the telltale roots or knees
Speaker 1: that are above the ground. One of my favorite trees
Speaker 1: has always been paper bark maple.
Speaker 2: Ye beautiful.
Speaker 1: And the size of these on the grounds of the
Speaker 1: Arnold Arboretum unreal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not going to be able to see that
Speaker 3: in very many other places. Trees that mature paperbark maples.
Speaker 3: And you know you mentioned the Don Redwood. The Don
Speaker 3: Redwood at the Arnold Arboretum is the first Don Redwood
Speaker 3: in the United States.
Speaker 1: Really, yes, interesting, very first. Yeah, the collection is amazing.
Speaker 1: Couple quick things about the collection, one being they're all
Speaker 1: tagged with anidized aluminum labels that provide the acquisition of
Speaker 1: the tree, the family, botanical name, means of propagation, the
Speaker 1: lineage number, the provenance which is the place of origin
Speaker 1: as I understand it, common name, and the Arboretum ground's location.
Speaker 1: The other thing is, of course, the area was very
Speaker 1: popular during the pandemic days of twenty twenty and twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, and Stacy and I have talked on the
Speaker 1: show before about the plant hardiness zone maps, and essentially
Speaker 1: the Arnold Arboretum is where this originated. As a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, they picked up the ball, ran with it
Speaker 1: and had the first hardiness zone maps until much later
Speaker 1: when we get into the nineteen sixties that the USDA
Speaker 1: picks up on.
Speaker 3: Yes, and they've had a huge, huge impact on American
Speaker 3: gardening culture. And yeah, it's you know, probably people will
Speaker 3: be like, oh, great an arboretum, It's so boring to
Speaker 3: bunch trees. It is not is It's really a place
Speaker 3: that is worth clearing out at least an afternoon, if
Speaker 3: not a whole day to enjoy.
Speaker 2: If you're in the Boston area.
Speaker 1: Bring comfortable shoes and because you're going to walk, you're
Speaker 1: going to do a lot of walking. Now, if you
Speaker 1: want to continue that walking and head down the road,
Speaker 1: you can head also to Forest Hills Cemetery. It is
Speaker 1: one of the finest examples of the gardens cemetery in
Speaker 1: the United States, founded in eighteen forty eight. So it's
Speaker 1: just down the road from the Arnold Arboretum. It's an
Speaker 1: incredible park like setting. The monuments are amazing, and it
Speaker 1: was added to the National Register of Historic Places. I
Speaker 1: believe the Arnold Arboretum is also, but this cemetery is
Speaker 1: in the National Register of Historic Places and was named
Speaker 1: one of the one thousand Greatest Places in Massachusetts. So
Speaker 1: that was just stunning to me too. I was awe
Speaker 1: as I walked through the cemetery. It is still an
Speaker 1: active burial ground, but it's a historic site. It's like
Speaker 1: an open air museum, and that in and of itself
Speaker 1: too is two hundred and seventy five acres of green
Speaker 1: space and our burretum stunning to walk through.
Speaker 3: You're speaking my language, Rick, I am a sucker for
Speaker 3: a good old garden cemetery me too. One of my
Speaker 3: absolute favorite places to be in the entire world. It's
Speaker 3: just it's endlessly fascinating, and the East Coast is so
Speaker 3: great for them, you know, that's really where you're going
Speaker 3: to see some of the most spectacular ones. When I
Speaker 3: was going to school at the New York Botanical Garden,
Speaker 3: we live near Woodlawn Cemetery, which is also one of
Speaker 3: those old garden cemeteries, and so many amazing burials there.
Speaker 3: Famous monuments, also very crucial to the Revolutionary War, so
Speaker 3: there's some Revolutionary War history there. But closer to home,
Speaker 3: if you're looking for a garden cemetery, Cincinnati has spring growth.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been there?
Speaker 1: Yes, spring, Yes, you've talked about that. I have not
Speaker 1: been there.
Speaker 3: It is really a very very special place. Hey, Adrian
Speaker 3: has been there. It's an extraordinary place. So a little
Speaker 3: bit closer to home, and maybe if you're you know,
Speaker 3: on your way down seventy five to Florida or something,
Speaker 3: you can take a little pit stop.
Speaker 1: So there you go. And of course downtown Boston to
Speaker 1: the cemetery is there.
Speaker 3: Oh I love this amazing to walk through this my
Speaker 3: favorite part of the city.
Speaker 1: Just gives you goosebumps.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 1: Heading to the Commons and then you go over to
Speaker 1: Cheers and have a beer.
Speaker 2: Right you take the little swan boat on the duck pond.
Speaker 1: There you go. So anyhow, Forest Hills Cemetery in the
Speaker 1: Boston area. Stacy always pleasure fun to do the show
Speaker 1: with you. Likewise, Rick and Adriana, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for all you're doing. Thanks to you for watching our
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