WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:11.679 Well, joining us today is Robert Borton's he's the author 2 00:00:11.839 --> 00:00:14.640 of Woke and Weaponized, How Karl Marx Won the Battle 3 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:19.559 for American Education. He's also the CEO of Classical Conversations, 4 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:23.359 and if you are involved in homeschooling, you've probably heard 5 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:24.839 of this. As a matter of fact, many of our 6 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:28.120 friends did Classical Conversations and they loved it. So we're 7 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:29.760 going to talk to him about that as well. So 8 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:32.759 we'll give you some tactics for how you can do it, 9 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:35.759 and I'll also tell you what the other guys, what 10 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:39.600 their designs are for your children, which will hopefully inform 11 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:42.320 you to go in a different direction whether you take 12 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:46.359 Classical Conversations or not. But it is a great alternative 13 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:48.719 to government schools. Thank you for joining us, Robert. 14 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:51.679 Yeah, thanks for having me on the show today. Excited 15 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:52.840 to be here. Well, thank you. 16 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:55.000 I was excited to see that your co author was 17 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.479 Alex Newman. I've talked him many times about education, and 18 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:00.479 of course he's written books about this as well. I 19 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:03.439 love every time I talk about education, I use the 20 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.560 analogy that Alex Newman did. He said, the schools are 21 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:09.359 like a burning building. So the first thing you want 22 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:12.319 to do is get your kids out of there. Second 23 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:13.640 thing you want to do is put out the fire, 24 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:16.560 because it's going to burn down our entire neighborhood. And 25 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:19.560 I think that's one of the best analogies I've had 26 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:22.200 for what the issue is and the approach that we 27 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:24.159 should take to it. So we're going to talk about 28 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:28.079 this way that people can get their kids out of 29 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:32.239 this burning building and teach them themselves with classical conversations, 30 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:35.040 but we're also going to talk about the fact that 31 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:37.400 this is burning down our society. And that's really what 32 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:40.480 I think your book is about. Woken Weaponized, how Carl 33 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:44.280 Marx won the battle for American education. Tell us a 34 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:48.200 little bit about what Marx wanted from education and what 35 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:50.480 he is getting out of our government schools. 36 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:56.480 Yeah, So, the whole intent of the Marx is to 37 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.480 remove children from their families so that children can grow 38 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:06.040 up to view the state as their father. That then 39 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:08.479 they would have a loyalty to the state, and the 40 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:12.439 state can get them to do basically whatever the state 41 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:15.280 wants them to do. And his ultimate goal was to 42 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:20.639 end religion and end private property. And he understood that 43 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:24.840 that family and child bond was the greatest threat to 44 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.360 his worldview, and that he had to figure out a 45 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:32.919 way to get adults to willingly give that up and 46 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:35.479 for children never to form it in the first place. 47 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:40.680 And so ultimately why our education system is woken weaponized 48 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:45.360 is because the followers of Marx understood that we wouldn't 49 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:47.840 be able to change the United States from the outside, 50 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:49.479 that we weren't going to be able to be taken 51 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:53.120 over by some you know, world war, that the Cold 52 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.599 War with Russia was going to inevitably fail, and so 53 00:02:56.719 --> 00:03:01.840 they targeted intentionally our school systems, using the Frankfurt School 54 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:06.439 and the Columbia Teachers College to get their Marxist ideologies 55 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:11.080 into our textbooks, into the formation of teachers at four 56 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:15.719 year universities, so whether they personally identified as Marxists or not, 57 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:20.840 that they would inevitably teaching Marxist worldview to the next generation. 58 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.400 And so each generation forgot a little bit about what 59 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:29.599 the previous generation new, and today we have more than 60 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:33.080 fifty percent of Gen Z thinks democrats socialism is a 61 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:35.960 good idea, despite the fact that it's killed well over 62 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.240 one hundred million people, you know, since the early almost 63 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:42.080 you know, one hundred and ten years now, and so 64 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:47.439 it is a destructive ideology. It's really putting the arsonists 65 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:50.400 in charge of the burning building. And that's what we've 66 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:51.960 done here in the United States. 67 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.319 That's right. Yeah, Yeah, they wouldn't know anything if they 68 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:57.759 didn't know the wrong stuff. So yeah, that's kind of 69 00:03:57.800 --> 00:03:59.120 where we are right now. And you know what you 70 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:01.759 talked about that and the opposition to the family and 71 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:04.560 how that was in their path. And if you go 72 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:07.520 back to the eighteen hundreds of these utopian societies that 73 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:12.560 constantly failed, organized along communist principles, even though they didn't 74 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:15.280 have Karl Marx. This is even before Karl Marx. They 75 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:18.120 constantly failed. And they said, only know, the problem is 76 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:20.000 is that we've got to get to the kids earlier. 77 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:22.439 This has always been the case, isn't it. And it's 78 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:26.560 so frustrating that we can't get Americans and Christians to 79 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:31.079 understand how vital that is to get to children in 80 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:34.560 the early years and to really shape them and to 81 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:37.240 tell to guide them, and to give them the truth. 82 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:39.160 Yeah. 83 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:42.519 So Horace Man, which is credited with bringing the public 84 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.079 school system from Prussia here into the United States, said this, 85 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.040 we who are engaged in the sacred cause of education 86 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:52.319 are entitled to look upon all parents as having given 87 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:57.240 hostages to our cause. In other words, that the kids 88 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.959 have become their hostages, which you know, if you're teaching reading, writing, 89 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:03.720 and arithmetic, you know what parent doesn't want that. So 90 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.560 so what was their cause? And their cause, as Horace 91 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:10.040 Man said, was to destroy religion, to destroy private property. 92 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:12.879 And so that's what we do in the book Will 93 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:16.000 Can Weaponize. Is this isn't like my opinion, we actually 94 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.279 go back or Alex's opinion is we've done the research. 95 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:21.800 What did Horace Man actually say? You know what did 96 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:25.000 John Dewey say? He said change must come gradually? To 97 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:28.000 force it unduly, would to compromise its final success by 98 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:31.839 favoring a violent reaction. Well, why would parents act violently 99 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:35.199 if John Dewey just wants to educate their kids? Right? 100 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:38.160 And it wasn't right. It wasn't because they're teaching them 101 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:41.560 how to read and write. And so in Parents Today, 102 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:43.600 you know, we get so many people get frustrated with 103 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.959 the school system or we spend so much money on it, 104 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:49.879 they want to reform it. Like the book points out 105 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:54.079 that the school systems working exactly as the utopian designers 106 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:58.800 want it to work, and so there's no reforming the 107 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.560 system because working perfectly, it's actually working better than expected. 108 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:03.720 The fact that only. 109 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:07.879 Less than half of American adults now read above a 110 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:11.120 sixth grade level, that is the fruit of the system. 111 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:13.879 But that's that's a high water mark, because only about 112 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:16.079 thirty six percent of kids now can. 113 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:16.920 Read at grade level. 114 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:20.720 And it's not like these grade levels are you know, 115 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:23.519 high achieving grade levels. They keep dumbing the grade levels 116 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:25.639 down just to get the kids out of them, and 117 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.000 we can't even get but a third of them passing it. 118 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.879 Same thing with math, and it's even worse for things 119 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:32.959 like history. I think it's down in the low twenty 120 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:38.079 percentile are at grade level. And so the whole entire 121 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.920 point was to force people to not be able to 122 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.279 be sovereign over themselves, to be able to govern themselves, 123 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.920 so that they would adopt this collectivist worldview, whether it 124 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:51.959 was you know, a form of a Nazism which is 125 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:56.680 a form of collectivism, or democrats socialism or straight out communism, 126 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:59.920 or you know, any of these sort of collectivist ideology 127 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:04.720 where the state gets to be governed by the powerful 128 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:06.759 and they get to decide you know who wins and 129 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:11.000 who loses, and we are all, you know, equally under 130 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:11.879 their own yoke. 131 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.519 And so that's ultimately the goal of the system. 132 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.800 And since a person who can read, like Frederick Frederick 133 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.959 Douglas said, you know, a former slave and a great American, 134 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:23.199 you know, once you're once you learn how to read, 135 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.040 you're forever free, is basically what he said. 136 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:28.920 And education used to me and it meant that it 137 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:32.040 liberated you with the tools of learning, right exactly. 138 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:33.800 And so that's what we've been trying to do at 139 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:37.920 classical conversations for a really long time. And yeah, it's 140 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:40.560 even in nineteen eighty two, right before the Wall fell, 141 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:45.600 President Rowan Gaither, he was the Ford Foundation's president, told 142 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.480 Norman Dodd, who was part of the White House, that 143 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:53.519 their goal was to successfully merge the United States. 144 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:54.319 With the Soviet Union. 145 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:59.079 And so when you have someone like Mindami getting elected, 146 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:03.120 you know of New York City, and you know when 147 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.560 he's got giving in his inauguration speech he says, we 148 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.639 need to throw off the chains of rugged individual individualism 149 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:14.040 and embrace the warmth of collectivism. That was that was 150 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:18.360 theal of fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Unfortunately he's already ran 151 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.480 out of people's money. But that was that's been the 152 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.360 goal from the beginning, and was to take away our 153 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:26.759 freedom by dumbing us down. And that's why we say 154 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:31.519 Carl Marks won the battle for American education, because people 155 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.639 keep sending themselves kids to these schools even though under 156 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:37.240 every single metric they're failing. 157 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:38.200 Yeah. 158 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:41.360 Well, it's important for people to understand the founders here 159 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:45.320 in America that brought this horrendous system to us, Horseman 160 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:47.679 Thomas Dewey, people like that. You know, people look at 161 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:50.200 the Dewey decimal system, how they used to organize library. 162 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:53.519 Does anybody even use that anymore? They even use libraries anymore? 163 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:57.080 But you know, he he comes in with a practical 164 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:00.399 tool that's there, and he insinuates himself off into the 165 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:03.240 educational system. And yet the reality is, if we go 166 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:05.759 back to people like RL Dabney after the Civil War, 167 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:11.120 he said, education is not fundamentally about math and other 168 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:13.799 things like that. That is kind of a vocational training, 169 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.000 he said, it really is about values. And so from 170 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:18.399 the other side of it, you know, if we look 171 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:20.879 at people who have an agenda that they want to 172 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:23.600 teach values that are going to allow them to control 173 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:26.799 to dumb down and to control people like Charlotte Isabee 174 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.360 was talking about the deliberate dumbing down of America. You know, 175 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.600 when your goal is to dumb people down to control them, 176 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.840 that's one thing. If your goal is to set up 177 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:40.480 people who have a moral foundation and a moral backbone 178 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:44.360 that is strong, that's a completely different thing. And so 179 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:48.000 Url Dabney felt that it was completely had to have 180 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:51.559 a complete separation of school and state, and yet we're 181 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:53.320 not even where close to that. You had a lot 182 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:56.399 of people who were hopeful, but Trump was going to 183 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:58.080 do something about that when he said he was going 184 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:00.600 to get rid of the Department of Education. You've spoken 185 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:03.279 of that as well. How do you see that happening here? 186 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:06.159 How are they doing in terms of shutting down the 187 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:08.919 Department of Education? Seems like it's still here. I wonder 188 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:12.000 if this is kind of if this is another professional 189 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:14.960 wrestling narrative from Lenda McMahon. Maybe that's why he put 190 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:16.600 her in charge of education. 191 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:19.039 Yeah. 192 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.240 So, I mean, I think it's something that people need 193 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.320 to understand, is that the federal government has no constitutional 194 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:31.720 authority over education periods. Stop now, ending the Department of 195 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:35.279 Education is a step in the right direction, but It 196 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:39.360 can also be a slide of hand because what they're 197 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.679 doing is they're just moving all of the education laws 198 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:46.879 to different departments, whether it's the Department of Finance that's 199 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.799 going to oversee student loans. Well, student loans were all 200 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:55.080 privately run basically before twenty ten and Barack Obama took 201 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:57.559 them over, and there was, you know, a few hundred 202 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:01.919 billion dollars in student loan debt that has quadrupled under 203 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:05.080 the federal government taking over it. So one of the 204 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.080 things you've got to do is you've got to get 205 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:12.159 the federal government out of subsidizing and guaranteeing student loans. Yeah, 206 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:15.919 but Congress has to do that and so and of 207 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:16.279 course I. 208 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:18.600 Think this has driven up tuition. You know, every time, 209 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:21.480 I know so many economists will say, every time you 210 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:25.000 subsidize something, it gets more expensive. And certainly we have 211 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:28.840 seen tuition go through the ceiling. I say, many times 212 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.480 I went to a state university and my tuition was 213 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:34.000 less than the cost of my books. And now it's 214 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.840 just gone through the ceiling with all the federal loans 215 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:40.559 that are there now. They had HUW Health Educational Welfare 216 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:42.639 for a long time, then they started breaking these things 217 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.639 out as they started getting bigger. When did they start 218 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:47.639 the Department of Education? Where did that break out? 219 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:51.240 Yeah, so that was in the seventies under Jimmy Carter. 220 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:53.879 So he promised this to the teachers' unions that he 221 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:57.039 was going to create this entity. And since then, I mean, 222 00:11:57.080 --> 00:12:01.360 it's basically been a you know, a a Democrat or 223 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:06.320 a socialist money laundering scheme in order to brainwash the 224 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:10.200 next generations. And so we've spent trillions of dollars in 225 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:14.919 this department and not a single education metric has improved. 226 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:19.240 So just by cutting the expenses to zero, actually not 227 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:23.039 just shutting the one department down, but actually ending these 228 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:27.559 laws that only drive up price and do nothing to 229 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:33.840 improve educational outcomes, we would all be going into national. 230 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:35.679 Debts slower or maybe paying. 231 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:40.000 Less taxes as well as having better outcomes. And so 232 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:43.759 do I think the Trump administration wants to maybe get 233 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.639 the Department federal government out of education more. 234 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:47.559 I think they do. 235 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:51.679 But it's ultimately up to Congress to end these unconstitutional 236 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:54.960 laws or the Supreme Court to step in and end it. 237 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.279 But I don't see the Supreme Court doing that anytime soon. 238 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:00.960 So we really need to put pressure on Congress, but 239 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:05.240 it's been a disappointing slide of hand in some ways. 240 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.120 I think even more dangerous when you put some of 241 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:12.159 these educational laws under the Department of Labor, because now 242 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:14.559 you're going to be even thinking about more of this 243 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:18.840 career and college readiness ideology, which is again just part 244 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:23.240 of this socialist worldview that we've adopted over the last 245 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:26.480 sixty or seventy years. Like you said, education is really 246 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:31.759 about forming a moral background for yourself and being able 247 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.840 to become a more complete human being. And some of 248 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.320 these other things are more job related, and the federal 249 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.440 government has never successfully predicted what the job market was 250 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:45.759 going to look like a year from now, much less 251 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.320 ten or twelve years from now, and so the fact 252 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.960 that they may be more incentivized along those lines with 253 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.559 these changes disturbs me and just goes back to that 254 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:58.960 point of you just got to get your kids out. 255 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.679 Honestly, if you do the exact opposite of what the. 256 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:05.279 Government entities tell you to do, they'll probably turn out 257 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:07.080 much better. 258 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:09.840 Yeah, it's kind of interesting, you know, when you look 259 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:13.200 at this the Department of Education, Ronald Reagan was going 260 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:15.320 to end it right as one of his promises. That's 261 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:19.159 what Charlotte isby and Phillips Slapely we're writing about in 262 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:23.720 their book, you know, deliberately dumbing down America. And they 263 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:25.919 were very disappointed that didn't happen. As a matter of fact, 264 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:28.000 it got much much bigger. You know, it could have 265 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.639 strangled that thing in the crib, but they let it. 266 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.559 They nurtured it into maturity under the Reagan administration. And 267 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:36.759 that's one of the things that I think is dangerous. 268 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:38.639 We look at this and we think, well, you know, 269 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:42.360 Reagan wants to make government smaller, and he's going to 270 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:43.919 get rid of the Department of Education, and yet he 271 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:47.639 doesn't right see the same thing with the Republicans around 272 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:50.360 Trump at the same time. But you know, when you're 273 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.879 talking about putting some of this stuff, transferring it over 274 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.720 to the Labor Department, and how that kind of feeds 275 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:01.200 this whole idea that it's the responsible for the government 276 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:05.080 to train people to work for corporations. You look at 277 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:09.799 that and even in its most benign manifestation, the agenda 278 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:14.200 is kind of wicked. Yes, I mean, we're not here 279 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:17.279 to train our kids to be widgets in some factory, 280 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:20.759 you know, drones on the assembly line, and yet that's 281 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.240 the way they see your children. And it's looking more 282 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:26.879 like there's there's really not any hope for people who 283 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:29.159 are going to be working for big corporations. They're looking 284 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:32.559 at how they can replace everybody with AI and robotics. 285 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:38.120 Yeah, yeah, it's scary. I mean, as Pink Floyd once said, 286 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.879 just another brick in the wall. And that's really what 287 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:45.399 our education system has become. And under the Department of Labor, like, 288 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.480 even if you have good people running it now, like 289 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:50.759 under the Trump administration, who are trying to do their 290 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:54.000 best job, like, it still doesn't align with what our 291 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.720 federal government is created to do. And just as a 292 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:00.799 Christian what government has been band aidd By got to do. 293 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:05.159 There is no job creation, you know, no labor laws, 294 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:08.279 like all of these things aren't under the jurisdiction of 295 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:13.559 a civil government. It's primarily justice is what God designed 296 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:17.200 the civil government for. And so anytime it steps out 297 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:19.440 of those bounds, we know it's going to be expensive, 298 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:23.440 it's going to produce very poor results. And so you know, 299 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.639 we've got a system now in the United States where 300 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:31.519 you know, our education system like there are in the 301 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:35.600 City of Chicago, there's forty schools that have zero students 302 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:39.639 that are reading or writing at grade level zero, and 303 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:42.799 one of those schools spends over forty thousand dollars per 304 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:45.879 year per kid. There's a school in New York City 305 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:48.879 that spends about eighty thousand dollars a year per kid 306 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.000 with zero kids that can read or do math at 307 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:56.279 grade level. So it's not money that's the problem. It's 308 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:00.519 the civil government's institution at all that has the issue. 309 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:02.879 And that's what we show in the book Woken Weaponize 310 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:06.599 is the public school system was woken weaponized when it 311 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.119 was created in the eighteen fifties and imported here in 312 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:13.839 the United States. I mean, it's the school system that 313 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.319 primed Germany or pressure at the time to start World 314 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:22.640 War One, and so that's been imported to the United States, 315 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:26.839 and we keep thinking that somehow we can disobey God's 316 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.119 design for the family and God's designed for civil government 317 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:34.240 and have good outcomes. And so the most dangerous part 318 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:37.799 about what Trump is doing is one it could lull 319 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:41.079 conservatives to sleep that the Department of Education has ended, 320 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:45.680 when in fact it's never The laws themselves have never 321 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:50.319 been stronger because it's the law themselves that are the problem, 322 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:54.039 not who's administerrating it or what department. So, yeah, there 323 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:57.960 might be some minuscule tax savings where we have less 324 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:00.599 employees in the federal government for that. 325 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:01.119 And so. 326 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.680 Approach, isn't it you know, Yeah, but it's not getting 327 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:08.799 rid of something. You can't make something more efficient that 328 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:09.599 shouldn't exist. 329 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:11.839 That's right, we're doing completely wrong thing, but let's make 330 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.400 it more efficient. It's like, well, no, let's actually not. 331 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:17.160 You know, I much rather have somebody in there like 332 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:19.400 Hillary Clinton who says it takes a village to raise 333 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:22.519 a child. She has thrown down the gauntlet. Actually she's 334 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:25.680 thrown it in your face. And I just heard Messa 335 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:28.200 Harris Perry say about a decade ago, we've got to 336 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:31.079 get over this notion that children belong to their parents. 337 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:33.599 They don't. They belong to the state. Right, And so 338 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:36.079 these people will come out and say it out loud, 339 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:37.839 and I find. 340 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:41.240 That the Republican Party is embraced that same mighty always 341 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:41.599 that's right. 342 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:43.720 They just put you to sleep, you know. They they 343 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:47.359 assuage your concerns that that's what's really happening, while they 344 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:50.400 fund it and continue it and they'll do little things 345 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:53.400 to make it less abrasive right now, And so it 346 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:55.920 really is a conditioning and that's one of the reasons 347 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:57.480 why they've got to keep going back and forth from 348 00:18:57.480 --> 00:18:59.720 one party to the other. They have to condition you. 349 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:02.599 Democrats push the agenda further down the road, and the 350 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:05.200 Republicans say, oh no, maybe not quite that fast or 351 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:08.200 that far, and let's modify this a little bit to 352 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:10.680 make it a little bit less painful. But we're still 353 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:12.200 going to the same place. We're still doing the same 354 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:12.920 thing essentially. 355 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:16.680 Yeah, And all that goes back to again, like the 356 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:20.920 design of the system has been so ingrained in our 357 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:25.000 culture now, I mean since the eighteen nineteen sixties was 358 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:28.039 a guy named BF Skinner who basically viewed children and 359 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:29.960 animals to be trained. 360 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:34.240 And I've got a master's degree in education. Let me 361 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:37.920 interject this here. And she brought that book to her apartment. 362 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:40.000 I was over there looking at her stuff, and it's 363 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.160 like beyond freedom and dignity. And I said, it's about 364 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:44.880 time somebody complained about the way the kids are. 365 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:45.519 Being treated in school. 366 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:47.920 She has no, no, no, that's a blueprint about what 367 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:51.960 to do that you oppose. He wants to not have 368 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:54.559 any freedom or dignity for human beings. It's like what 369 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:57.359 And that was part of the educational core they were 370 00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:58.960 teaching him. They were teaching the kids B. F. 371 00:19:59.039 --> 00:19:59.359 Skinner. 372 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:01.880 They wanted them to use those skinnerisk approaches on kids. 373 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:04.799 Oh yeah, so it's part of the I just have 374 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:07.079 a friend who got her masters and they had a 375 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:08.400 whole class praising BF. 376 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:08.799 Skinner. 377 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:11.599 This guy's burning in hell unless he had a sort 378 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:15.519 of deathbed confession. But what he's done is, you know, 379 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:21.279 basically destroyed the United States education system or compelled that 380 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:23.839 Marxist ideology into every single classroom. 381 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:25.640 So like my wife was a public school. 382 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:27.960 Teacher for ten years, you know, doesn't have a marxistponent 383 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.480 in her body. But after she got out, she realized, 384 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:32.759 like all of these things that were in the system. 385 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:35.359 You know, she's straight a student trying to do what's 386 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:39.119 going to be best for her kids, and everything they're 387 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:44.640 teaching her is just conditioning, you know, to condition the 388 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:47.599 kids to become a little socialists. Yeah, and to condition 389 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:51.680 them to you know, just obey and believe whatever the 390 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:55.279 authorities have for them, which is why we saw during 391 00:20:55.359 --> 00:21:01.119 the you know, COVID experienced how many people who are 392 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:05.279 thoughtful people just went along and believed whatever the TV 393 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:07.799 screen was telling them. Well, that's all part of the 394 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:11.119 conditioning that is built into the public school system. So 395 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:13.720 you can have a great teacher that loves Jesus in 396 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:16.839 front of the classroom, she's still teaching from a Marxist 397 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:21.519 textbook in Marxist classroom, played through redistribution of wealth, which 398 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:26.160 is a Marxist ideology, and so everything about it is Marxist. 399 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:28.680 And of course you want to, you know, soothe those 400 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:31.119 who are in the system itself. But the reality is 401 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:35.079