1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So, like, have you ever thought about, like what 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,919 if there was you know, a secret code hidden inside 3 00:00:06,919 --> 00:00:08,359 a book, a book you thought you. 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 2: Knew, uh, like a hidden language or something. 5 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, a language that get this, some people believe 6 00:00:13,679 --> 00:00:17,519 has been like whispering about the future for thousands of years. 7 00:00:17,559 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: Oh that's kind of freaking you know, right. 8 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: And we're not talking metaphors or you know, vague prophecies here. 9 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:26,760 It's like straight up literal messages encoded in the text, 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,920 like information deliberately planted there waiting to be unlocked. So 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,159 like a code then, exactly, and not just any book. 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,399 We're talking about the Bible, specifically the Old Testament and 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,920 these alleged secret messages. While they're called Bible codes, we're 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,799 doing a deep dive on this today. 15 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,119 Speaker 2: Interesting, So we're ditching symbolism and deep interpretation and jumping 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,200 straight into like deciphering literal messages. 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: You got it. It's a totally different way of looking 18 00:00:54,399 --> 00:00:57,119 at these ancient texts. I mean, for centuries people have 19 00:00:57,159 --> 00:01:00,799 been trying to understand the Bible through like context symbolism, 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,000 the historical background, all that jazz. But the Bible codes 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,200 they suggest there's a whole other layer underneath, like a 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,879 deliberate encoding of information hidden within the actual words themselves. 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: And we're talking about the Hebrew text, right, the Old Testament, 24 00:01:14,599 --> 00:01:18,879 those twenty four books written over like thousands of years. 25 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: That's right. And here's the thing. Those ancient scribes, the 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,599 guys who copied those texts, they were like obsessed with accuracy. 27 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:28,959 They believed that even a single letter out of place 28 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,920 could make the whole scroll like religiously unusable. 29 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: Right right, I mean you have to think about it, 30 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,439 that kind of meticulousness, that level of precision. It wasn't 31 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:40,159 just about preserving the words. It's like they were like 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,280 safeguarding something, maybe even unintentionally, for future generations exactly. 33 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:48,719 Speaker 1: And that leads to this crazy idea. What if that 34 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,879 crazy level of accuracy was like totally necessary to preserve 35 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,400 some kind of hidden code within the text. 36 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,319 Speaker 2: Itself, because even a smell change, a single letter difference, 37 00:01:58,519 --> 00:02:02,799 could throw the whole thing off gramble the code. That's wild, totally. 38 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:05,719 Speaker 1: And you know, this whole concept of hidden messages, it's 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,840 not some new age digital thing. It actually goes way back. 40 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,319 I mean way way back. 41 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,759 Speaker 2: Really, Like how far back are we talking? 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,879 Speaker 1: Like thirteenth century, there was this rabbi Bacia ben Asher. 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,439 He lived way before computers, obviously, and he supposedly found 44 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:21,599 something remarkable in the Book of Genesis. 45 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: Oh what did he find? 46 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:26,039 Speaker 1: Okay? So he used this like early version of what 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,840 we now call a skip code. Basically, you pick a letter, 48 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:31,240 skip a set number of letters, pick another, and keep going. 49 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,360 You know, kind of like connect the dots, but with letters. 50 00:02:33,439 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: Okay, I get it. So what did he find with 51 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:36,479 this skip code thing? 52 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,879 Speaker 1: Well, reportedly he found a reference to the creation of 53 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,879 the moon. And not just that, it also like specified 54 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:45,879 the exact length of the lunar month. Get this, twenty 55 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,680 nine point five three days. 56 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: Wow, that's pretty specific. 57 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,719 Speaker 1: And here's the kicker. NASA, with all its fancy technology, 58 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:58,159 didn't confirm that precise figure until like nineteen ninety six. 59 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: So this rabbi back in the third teen hundreds figured 60 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,280 out something that took NASA like centuries to confirm. 61 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: You got it. It's almost like he was tapping into 62 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,240 some kind of hidden knowledge, right. 63 00:03:10,159 --> 00:03:13,439 Speaker 2: That's that's pretty mind blowing. Imagine trying to do that manually, 64 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:17,120 I mean, using skip codes to search through the entire 65 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,240 Old Testament by hand. 66 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: Oh, I know, it would be like insanely tedious. You'd 67 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,159 probably do cross eyed before finding anything meaningful. It would 68 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:27,680 be like finding a needle in a haystack, but the 69 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:30,080 haystack is made of letters, and the needle is also 70 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:30,840 made of letters. 71 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,039 Speaker 2: It's like you'd need a lifetime to do it. But 72 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,960 then boom, computers come along and change everything. 73 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: It's a total game changer, right. Suddenly you don't need 74 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:42,400 years and years of painstaking manual work. You can run 75 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,439 complex calculations in like seconds. 76 00:03:45,599 --> 00:03:50,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, computers basically took this like super niche almost impossible 77 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,919 task and made it well possible. It's like, now you 78 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:56,680 can search for these Bible codes systematically at a scale 79 00:03:56,719 --> 00:03:58,159 that was just unimaginable before. 80 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: Right, And it wasn't just about like finding words hidden 81 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,080 in straight lines anymore. With computers, you could take those 82 00:04:05,159 --> 00:04:07,319 long strings of letters you get from the skip codes 83 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,840 and you could arrange them into grids. Think of it 84 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:13,280 like giant crossword puzzles filled with letters from the Bible. 85 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,719 Speaker 2: Oh I see. So, Like instead of just looking for 86 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:19,519 words in a straight line, now you can search horizontally, 87 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:23,360 vertically diagonally, like a word search that opens up a 88 00:04:23,399 --> 00:04:25,199 whole lot of possibilities it does. 89 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: And that brings us to this pivotal experiment that happened 90 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,120 back in nineteen eighty five. It's called the Great Rabbis Experiment. 91 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:32,920 Have you heard of it? 92 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've come across it in my research. It was 93 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:37,199 a pretty big deal, right, because it tried to go 94 00:04:37,319 --> 00:04:41,360 beyond just anecdotal evidence and like apply a statistical framework 95 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,199 to these Bible. 96 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,079 Speaker 1: Codes exactly Like they wanted to see if there was 97 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,800 any real provable evidence that these codes existed. And their 98 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,199 focus was on, get this, the names of famous rabbis. 99 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,879 Speaker 2: So these researchers Eleah who Rips, darn zdem and jol Rosenberg. 100 00:04:56,079 --> 00:04:58,000 They basically wanted to find out if the names of 101 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,120 these prominent rabbis were like encoded within the. 102 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: Old Testament, right, and not just random names. They used 103 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,519 a specific list of thirty four super influential rabbis from 104 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,439 this book called the Encyclopedia of Great Men in Israel. 105 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,240 They took these names, programmed them into a computer, and 106 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:17,959 told the computer to search for them in the biblical text. 107 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: But they didn't stop there, right, They also looked for 108 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:22,319 the rabbis as birth and death dates, yep. 109 00:05:22,519 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: That was like the key to the whole experiment. The 110 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:28,360 idea was if they could find the names and those 111 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:32,160 specific dates intersecting within these coded grids, the chances of 112 00:05:32,199 --> 00:05:35,439 that happening randomly would be like astronomically small. 113 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: It's like finding your name in a crossword puzzle and 114 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,839 then having your birth date and death date also spelled 115 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,040 out in the same puzzle, all crossing your name. That 116 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:44,920 would be pretty freaky totally. 117 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: And well, the results they reported were well, pretty mind blowing. 118 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:50,800 They said they found all thirty four names. 119 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: Wow. And what about the dates? 120 00:05:52,959 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: They claimed that the birth and death dates often intersected 121 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,920 with the names. And get this, They did another test, 122 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,920 this time with thirty two different names, and they supposedly 123 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:02,000 got similar results. 124 00:06:02,319 --> 00:06:05,519 Speaker 2: That's that's pretty compelling. But I mean, couldn't it still 125 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:06,600 be just a coincidence. 126 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:08,959 Speaker 1: That's what they wanted to rule out. So they did 127 00:06:08,959 --> 00:06:12,120 what's called a control experiment. They took other long texts 128 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,000 like War and Peace and some religious writings that aren't 129 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,920 supposed to have codes, and they ran the same program 130 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:19,720 on those texts. 131 00:06:20,399 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: Oh, I see, So if they found similar patterns in 132 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,560 those other books, then it would suggest that maybe it 133 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,560 wasn't so special that maybe it was just random chance 134 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,959 at play exactly. But guess what did they find anything? 135 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: They said, all they found were just random letters, no names, 136 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:37,079 no dates, no patterns. 137 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: Okay, so that does seem to support their claim that 138 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:41,839 there's something unique about the Old Testament. 139 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,519 Speaker 1: It does, right, Doctor Rips one of the researchers, he 140 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:47,959 did some calculations and said that the odds of this 141 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,399 happening randomly were like one in ten million. That's that's 142 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:53,319 a pretty huge name. 143 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: One in ten million. I mean, that's not just a fluke, right. 144 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,759 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like it. And because of this, their 145 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,879 study actually got public in a pretty prestigious scientific journal 146 00:07:02,959 --> 00:07:04,480 called Statistical Science. 147 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: Wow, so it was peer reviewed by other scientists and 148 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,680 deemed credible enough to be published. That's a big deal. 149 00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: It was. Of course, it also created a huge controversy 150 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:14,680 in the scientific community. 151 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:17,319 Speaker 2: Oh I bet. I mean, if you believe their findings, 152 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:19,319 it kind of turns our whole understanding of the Bible 153 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:20,560 upside down right totally. 154 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: And one of the people who was super skeptical at 155 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,040 first was this guy, Harold Dan's. He was like a 156 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,199 big shot mathematician working for the NSA, you know, the 157 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:32,240 National Security Agency whoa the NSSA. 158 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:35,399 Speaker 2: So this guy, he basically dealt with codes for a 159 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:36,399 living exactly. 160 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: He was a codebreaker, a cryptologist. If anyone could debunk 161 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:42,160 these Bible codes, it would be him. 162 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: And what did he think? 163 00:07:43,639 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: He was, like totally dismissive at first. He even created 164 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,759 his own computer program, like specifically designed to find flaws 165 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:52,120 in the Bible code research. 166 00:07:52,199 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: So he was actively trying to prove it wrong, not 167 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,079 just dismissing it exactly. 168 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: But here's where it gets crazy. When he ran his program, 169 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:00,800 guess what happened? 170 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:02,839 Speaker 2: Did it like crash or something. 171 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: It not only confirmed the names and dates from the 172 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,399 Great Rabbis experiment, but it also started finding like places 173 00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:13,000 of birth and death for these Rabbis, all intersecting with 174 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:14,360 their names within the grids. 175 00:08:14,639 --> 00:08:17,079 Speaker 2: So he set out to disprove it, but ended up 176 00:08:17,079 --> 00:08:19,759 proving it even further. That's a huge turnaround. 177 00:08:19,879 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: It is he basically became a believer all thanks to 178 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:23,199 his own investigation. 179 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: That's pretty compelling, I have to admit. But so far 180 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:28,839 we've just been talking about historical figures, right, Yeah, what 181 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:32,159 about the future predictions that people talk about with Bible codes. 182 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,039 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's where it gets even more well controversial. 183 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,559 It goes beyond the past and into like predicting future events, 184 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:42,279 even details about people who weren't even born yet. 185 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm intrigued, tell me more so. 186 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: Take Saddam Hussein, for example. In nineteen ninety, Doctor Rips, 187 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,320 the same guy from the Great Rabbis Experiment, said he 188 00:08:51,399 --> 00:08:54,960 found Hussein's name encoded in Bible along with the prediction 189 00:08:55,039 --> 00:08:57,039 that he'd attack Israel within three weeks. 190 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: So a specific person and a specific timeframe. That's a 191 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:02,279 bold claim. 192 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,759 Speaker 1: It is right. And what's really freaky is that while 193 00:09:04,759 --> 00:09:07,720 Saddam Hussein did actually launch a missile attack on Israel 194 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:10,279 during the Gulf War, and it happened within that three 195 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:10,919 week window. 196 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:14,279 Speaker 2: Oh okay, So prediction and reality kind of lined up there. 197 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:16,159 That's pretty hard to ignore, right. 198 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: It makes you wonder. And there are other examples too. 199 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,559 People claim they've found President Kennedy's name encoded with the 200 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:27,360 words to die and Dallas Shakespeare's name along with will 201 00:09:27,399 --> 00:09:30,200 present plays on stage crossing Hamlet and Macbeth. 202 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: Wow, I mean, if those are genuine encodies, it's like 203 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,679 the Bible is some kind of ancient crystal ball. 204 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: It's almost like that, right. And then there's this other 205 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,159 example with Saddam Hussein. Some people claim to have found 206 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,960 the phrases Russian missile and fire on third Shabbat intersecting 207 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,039 with his name. They say those phrases perfectly match the 208 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,120 actual date and the type of attack that happened on 209 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,879 January eighteenth, nineteen ninety. 210 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: Russian missile, but didn't a rock attack Israel not Russia. 211 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, but remember back then Iraq was using Soviet may 212 00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:04,039 Scud missiles, so the phrase Russian missile could technically apply. 213 00:10:04,519 --> 00:10:07,399 Speaker 2: Oh right, Okay, that makes sense. It's all starting to 214 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,080 sound a little too coincidental. 215 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what this guy, Michael Drawsnen thought. He 216 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,159 was an investigative journalist, super skeptical at first. He went 217 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,039 to meet doctor Rips in the early nineties thinking he 218 00:10:19,159 --> 00:10:21,799 might write an article debunking the whole Bible code thing. 219 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:24,120 But then he. 220 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,919 Speaker 2: Got hooked, so another skeptic turn believer. What changed his mind? 221 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,159 Speaker 1: Well, apparently doctor Rips showed him just how many potential 222 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,320 encoding messages there could be, like billions of them hidden 223 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:37,480 within the Old Testament. 224 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,279 Speaker 2: Billions. That's like an unfathomable amount of information. 225 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,519 Speaker 1: I know, imagine all the possibilities. Drawsenen ended up working 226 00:10:44,519 --> 00:10:46,840 with rips and they claimed to have found, get this, 227 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,759 over a thousand instances of encoded predictions for all sorts 228 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:53,600 of events. Some of the examples are like really specific, 229 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,639 really like what okay? So they claim they found the 230 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,519 Apollo eleven moon landing, like the date July twenty, nineteen 231 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,679 sixty nine, and the words spaceship and Apollo eleven were 232 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,000 found like intersecting in a passage about counting the stars. 233 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,399 Speaker 2: That's incredible. What else? 234 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,879 Speaker 1: Okay? So how about the nineteen twenty nine stock market crash? 235 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,480 They found economic crisis crossing paths with depression stocks and 236 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:19,919 the year nineteen twenty nine. 237 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,639 Speaker 2: Wow? And what about events that really shook the world? 238 00:11:23,759 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: Oh, there are those two. They claimed they found encoded 239 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,399 references to the Oklahoma City bombing, where Oklahoma supposedly crossed 240 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,639 with Mura. The name of the building that was bombed 241 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,120 and that intersected with his name was Timothy, referring to 242 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,399 Timothy McVeigh, the bomber. 243 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: That's that's incredibly specific. 244 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: I know. And then there's the Shoemaker Lavy comet that 245 00:11:42,039 --> 00:11:44,799 crashed into Jupiter back in nineteen ninety four. They said 246 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:48,000 they found the comet's name intersecting with will pound Jupiter 247 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:49,840 and the exact date of the impact. 248 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: It's like they had a cosmic calendar encoded in the Bible. 249 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: And probably one of the most famous examples, they claimed 250 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,120 to have found the assassination of Yetzac Rabin encoded in 251 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:01,200 the text. Like they found Ribbon's name cross with assassin, 252 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,279 will assassinate and the date and. 253 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,879 Speaker 2: Hebrew didn't Drasnen claim he tried to warn Raven about it. 254 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, he said that he saw the prediction, trying to 255 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,440 warn Raven but was ignored. A truly tragic event. And 256 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,960 those are just a few examples. They also claimed to 257 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,720 have found the rise of Libya, the threat of nuclear war, 258 00:12:19,159 --> 00:12:23,000 Benjamin Netanyahu's victory in the nineteen ninety six Israeli election. 259 00:12:23,519 --> 00:12:26,159 Speaker 2: That's a lot of predictions. Did they talk about Princess 260 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:27,679 Diana's death too, They did. 261 00:12:27,919 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: They said they found Princess Diana and Spencer, her maiden name, 262 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,519 all with the same skip code, and these words intersected 263 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:40,080 with Wales, Paris, France, tunnel, and river, along with the 264 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,080 Hebrew date for August nineteen ninety seven, the month she died. 265 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:46,279 Even the names of Dotie Fade and Honri Paul, who 266 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:48,240 were with her, were supposedly found later. 267 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:51,279 Speaker 2: It's like a never ending list, all these major events, tragedies, 268 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,919 triumphs supposedly predicted in this ancient text. Drosenen wrote a 269 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:55,519 whole book about it. 270 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: Right he did. It was called The Bible Code. That book, 271 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,080 it became a huge bestseller, brought this whole idea into 272 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:01,679 the mainstream. 273 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: I can imagine it must have really captured the public's imagination. 274 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:08,279 Speaker 1: It totally did, and the claims just kept coming. People 275 00:13:08,279 --> 00:13:12,000 said they found encoded references to like everything, the fall 276 00:13:12,039 --> 00:13:15,399 of Saddam Hussein, the capture of Osama bin Laden, both 277 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,080 Gulf Wars, the two thousand and eight financial crisis, swine 278 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,639 flew all sorts of natural disasters. 279 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: So basically, if something major happen in recent history, someone 280 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,399 probably claimed it was predicted in the Bible Code. 281 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: Pretty much. But Drasenen believed that like the real test 282 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:34,080 of the Bible Code wasn't in explaining the past, it 283 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,519 was in predicting the future. 284 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: Makes sense, I guess, But how do you predict the 285 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,440 future with something written thousands of years ago. 286 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,759 Speaker 1: Well, he believed there was a key, a literal key 287 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:46,279 to unlocking future predictions. He thought it was hidden in 288 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,480 a stone obelisk located in Jordan near the Red. 289 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: Sea, like an ancient art fact that unlocks the secrets 290 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:52,879 of the Bible code. 291 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: That's pretty wild, I know, right, And get this, he 292 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:59,240 actually got tremission from the Jordanian government to excavate the site. 293 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: Did they find any thing? 294 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:03,799 Speaker 1: Nop. At the last minute, the permission was revoked, so 295 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,399 that whole obelisk thing remains a mystery. 296 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: To talk about, a cliffhanger. So Drasenen spent years trying 297 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,279 to decode the Bible predict the future. Did he ever 298 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,639 come up with like a grand theory about where these 299 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:17,559 codes came from? Oh? 300 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,399 Speaker 1: He did, but it got a little out there. He 301 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,120 started suggesting that Moses didn't actually meet God on Mount Sinai, 302 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:25,799 but rather he met aliens. 303 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: Aliens really yep. 304 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: He thought these aliens were super advanced and used some 305 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,840 kind of crazy computer technology to encode the Bible with 306 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,679 all possible future timelines. 307 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: So the Bible code is actually an alien message. 308 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: That's what Drawsen came to believe, and even After one 309 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:44,759 of his big predictions about a global catastrophe involving Jerusalem, 310 00:14:44,759 --> 00:14:46,799 New York and beIN Lauden in two thousand and six 311 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,120 didn't happen, he was still convinced. He thought maybe he 312 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,679 just got the timing wrong. He spent like twenty five 313 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:56,080 years researching this, even learn Hebrew. But even some of 314 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,200 the people who initially supported the Bible code, they started 315 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,000 to have doubts about Drawsnen's prediction. 316 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: Wait so even doctor Rips, the one who did the 317 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,360 Great Rabbis Experiment, he didn't agree with Drawsnen. 318 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Professor Rips became increasingly skeptical of Drawsnen's claims. He 319 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,360 still believed in the results of the Great Rabbis Experiment, 320 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:17,320 but he thought Drawsen was like seeing what he wanted to. 321 00:15:17,279 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: See, like cherry picking data to fit his own narrative exactly. 322 00:15:21,159 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: And you know rips work. Even the Great Rabbi's Experiment, 323 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:27,960 it wasn't without its critics. Back in nineteen ninety nine, 324 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,279 an Australian mathematician Brendan McKay published a whole critique of 325 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,360 the experiment, pointing out flaws in the methodology. 326 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:38,039 Speaker 2: Oh so, he was saying that maybe those results weren't 327 00:15:38,039 --> 00:15:40,879 as statistically significant as they seemed, right. 328 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,679 Speaker 1: He said that the criteria for finding a match were 329 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:46,440 way too loose. For example, they could count a name 330 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,320 as a match even if the year of birth or 331 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,879 death was wrong, as long as the month and day 332 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:51,519 were correct. 333 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:53,519 Speaker 2: Oh, so it wasn't a perfect match, just kind of 334 00:15:53,559 --> 00:15:54,120 close enough. 335 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:57,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. And he also pointed out that they used nicknames, titles, 336 00:15:57,159 --> 00:16:00,440 even initials as matches and because ancient Hebrew doesn't have 337 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:02,840 vowels to give them a lot of like wiggle room 338 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:04,720 when searching for words, so you could. 339 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: Kind of make the letters fit the words you were. 340 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,559 Speaker 1: Looking for exactly drawsnen. Of course, he dismissed all this criticism. 341 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,759 He even challenges critics to find similar predictions in Get this. 342 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: Moby Dick, moby Dick the Whale book. 343 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: Yep. He basically said, if you think this is so easy, 344 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:23,080 go find predictions in a random book. 345 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: And did anyone take him up on that challenge? Oh? 346 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. Brenda McKay, the same mathematician who criticized the experiment, 347 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:33,240 he took that challenge and ran with it. He supposedly 348 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,519 found multiple predictions of Yitzak Rabin's assassination in Moby Dick, 349 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:40,960 as well as the deaths of Princess Diana, Robert Kennedy, 350 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,000 and a bunch of other events. 351 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,639 Speaker 2: Wait, so he found those predictions in a book about 352 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:45,039 a whale. 353 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: Yep. His point was, with a long enough text and 354 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:51,120 a flexible enough program, you can find pretty much anything 355 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,000 you want. It's like, if you look hard enough, you'll 356 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000 find patterns even in randomness. 357 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,039 Speaker 2: That makes sense. So it's not necessarily the Bible especial. 358 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,399 It's just that it's a long and complex techx and 359 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,039 you can manipulate the search to find what you're looking 360 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:03,919 for exactly. 361 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,559 Speaker 1: Another point that krets brought up was that, well, the 362 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:09,319 modern Hebrew text we use today, it's not exactly the 363 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,279 same as the oldest ancient texts. 364 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: Oh right, like the Dead Sea scrolls. 365 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:16,559 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, those are some of the oldest surviving Biblical texts. 366 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,960 And even though they're mostly the same as the modern text, 367 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,240 there are small differences like spelling variations, maybe a letter 368 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:25,599 added or missing here and there, and those. 369 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,759 Speaker 2: Small differences they could totally mess. 370 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,599 Speaker 1: Up the skip code, right exactly if the code relies 371 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,680 on skipping a precise number of letters, even a single 372 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:37,000 missing or added letter could throw off the whole thing, 373 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,799 making the code like useless. 374 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: So it's a pretty fragile system. 375 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,559 Speaker 1: Then it is. So after all this back and forth, 376 00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:47,960 the debate still continues. Are these patterns we see in 377 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,440 the Bible are they really divine messages or maybe alien 378 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,839 programming like Drasenen believed. Or are they just random noise 379 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,519 that our brains are trying to make sense of. 380 00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: That's million dollar question right looking it's some kind of 381 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:03,319 hidden code? Or are we just really good at finding 382 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,079 patterns even where they don't exist? 383 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we humans, We love to find patterns. It's 384 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:12,359 like hardwired into our brains. We see faces in clouds, animals, 385 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,599 and star constellations. Maybe the Bible code is just another 386 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:16,319 example of that. 387 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:20,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, like peridolia, our tendency to perceive a specific, often 388 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,079 meaningful image in a random or ambiguous visual pattern. Maybe 389 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:25,799 that's a play here. 390 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: But even with all the criticism and skepticism, the idea 391 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,720 of a hitting code it's just so alluring. It's like, 392 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,720 what if there are secrets hidden in plain sight, secrets 393 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,640 about our past, our future waiting to be unlocked. It's 394 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,319 hard to resist that kind of mystery. There's even that quote, 395 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,559 it is the glory of God to conceal a matter, 396 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,279 and it is the honor of kings to search it out. 397 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: That's from Proverbs, right. It really captures that human desire 398 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:54,400 to discover, to uncover the truth, no matter how hidden 399 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:54,839 it might be. 400 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: It does, And you have to give Michael Drawsen credit. 401 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,319 He was dedicated, even learned Hebrew to pursue this reas search. 402 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:02,200 He spent a big chunk of his life trying to 403 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:03,039 crack this code. 404 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: It's hard to argue with that level of commitment. And 405 00:19:05,759 --> 00:19:09,079 who knows, Maybe somewhere out there that stone obelisk is 406 00:19:09,079 --> 00:19:11,400 still waiting to be found, holding the key to everything. 407 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:15,079 Speaker 1: Maybe. But what if instead of thinking about the Bible 408 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,279 Code as like a fixed bluefrit of the future, we 409 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,079 see it as a collection of possibilities, like not a 410 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,559 definite prediction, but more like a weather forecast. It tells 411 00:19:24,559 --> 00:19:27,440 you what might happen, but you can still choose to prepare, 412 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,400 maybe even change the outcome. 413 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:33,039 Speaker 2: So instead of a set destiny, it's more like a warning, 414 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:37,960 a heads up about potential dangerous challenges, maybe even opportunities. 415 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,839 Speaker 1: Exactly, and even if those predictions aren't like divinely inspired 416 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,079 or whatever. Maybe just being aware of them can help 417 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:44,079 us make better choices. 418 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: It's like having a glimpse into a range of possible 419 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:50,640 futures and then trying to steer towards the best one. 420 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,960 It's a pretty empowering way to look at it. It is. 421 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,039 Speaker 1: It makes you wonder, what if everything is connected in 422 00:19:56,079 --> 00:19:59,359 ways we don't even understand. What if those connections are 423 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:03,359 like subtly reflected in these ancient texts The Bible cog 424 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,680 might not give us all the answers, but it definitely 425 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,799 makes you think about the nature of information and the 426 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:10,119 power of belief, and just how much we still don't 427 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,519 know about well everything. It's definitely a mystery worth pondering. 428 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:17,440 What do you think? Is there something to this or 429 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:19,000 is it all just a coincidence. 430 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 2: It's a fascinating puzzle, that's for sure. And even if 431 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,119 it turns out to be nothing more than our brains 432 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,160 trying to make sense of random patterns, it still makes 433 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,000 you think, doesn't it. 434 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: It totally does, And that's what we're all about here, 435 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:34,200 making you think, exploring the unknown and keeping you curious.