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Speaker 3: How are you good?
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. I'm doing well, all right? So what gives?
Speaker 1: What's the biggest issue here? We got what five straight
Speaker 1: l's at this point, and young team, and it's been
Speaker 1: up and down all year, you know, not too long ago,
Speaker 1: they put together a nice three game, you know, winning streak,
Speaker 1: and now they've they've lost five straight. It does seem
Speaker 1: like they have real issues closing. I guess that's fair
Speaker 1: to say, because they can't hold on to a lead
Speaker 1: when they have it. But what do you most attribute this,
Speaker 1: this five game losing streak to Belle?
Speaker 4: You're a spot on with the closing. I think we've
Speaker 4: talked earlier in the season about for some reason, the
Speaker 4: second period seems to be a struggle for Utah Hockey Club,
Speaker 4: just with the goals they are giving again and not
Speaker 4: being able to produce the other way. And most recently
Speaker 4: during this five game losing streak, they've gone into the
Speaker 4: third period with one goal leads, tied, with a two
Speaker 4: goal lead, even and come out losing the game, whether
Speaker 4: that be in regulation or overtime. So I think that,
Speaker 4: you know, clutch scoring and defending of a lead has
Speaker 4: been missing for this team. And it's partially I mean,
Speaker 4: there's no excuses. They'll say that too. It's the NHL.
Speaker 4: You have to see ready every night. That's what a
Speaker 4: lot of the players were saying after last night's loss.
Speaker 4: But they are missing two huge offensive pieces for them.
Speaker 4: Dylan Gunster and now Logan Cooley are both out with
Speaker 4: lower body injuries. Logan Cooley was ruled out indefinitely earlier
Speaker 4: this week he got hurt in the Pittsburgh Penguins game,
Speaker 4: and Dylan Gunster has been out for a few weeks now.
Speaker 4: He's finally skating into regular jersey in practice, so coach
Speaker 4: said he was day today, which is good news for Utah.
Speaker 4: But when you take out two of your top six
Speaker 4: forwards who accounted for you know, a quarter of the
Speaker 4: scoring on this team before they were out. That's obviously
Speaker 4: going to have some impacts in the lineup, and then
Speaker 4: defensively too, it's they're finally closer to healthy. Sergachev and
Speaker 4: John Marino are skating on the first pair and so
Speaker 4: that's the bright side. But it feels like even when
Speaker 4: players come back for Utah, they lose another guy. So
Speaker 4: I think it's partially where it's a young team, it's
Speaker 4: growing pains. Maybe it's fatigue at this point in the
Speaker 4: season when we're talking about the third period, but it's
Speaker 4: also that they're playing without two of their best players
Speaker 4: at the moment.
Speaker 1: What is the plan on that first forward line with
Speaker 1: Logan going down?
Speaker 2: Do you know what coach Torny is going to do?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Alex Kerkfoot has centered the first line the
Speaker 4: last two games between Clayton Keller and Nick Schmaltz, and
Speaker 4: at this point he has played on every single Utah
Speaker 4: line this season. He started mostly on the fourth line,
Speaker 4: but his versatility, you know, he's a veteran in that
Speaker 4: locker room, on and off the ice, power play, penalty kill,
Speaker 4: he's kind of used in all situations and he played
Speaker 4: with color and Schmaltz for a bit last year as well,
Speaker 4: so it's not a completely foreign combination, but it's the
Speaker 4: first time Utah Hockey Club fans are seeing it. And
Speaker 4: Kerfoot actually scored in his first game on that line
Speaker 4: two games ago, was a NetFront knock and goal, and
Speaker 4: I talked to him earlier that week and he was saying,
Speaker 4: I need to be better. I expect more from myself,
Speaker 4: and I asked kind of specifically what he wanted to
Speaker 4: be better at. He said, getting around the net, getting
Speaker 4: pucks on net, and kind of fighting for inside ice.
Speaker 4: And that's exactly what he did with the heightened responsibility
Speaker 4: on that first line. So obviously it's not a perfect fix.
Speaker 4: No one's going to bring exactly what Cooley brings. But
Speaker 4: they're lucky that they've had other healthy forwards be able
Speaker 4: to step up. And yeah, they haven't called anyone up
Speaker 4: from the AHL yet because they have twelve forwards to
Speaker 4: skate with right now.
Speaker 1: So they did make a minor move today phyllis in
Speaker 1: and maybe this is just a young player they like,
Speaker 1: maybe they need depth upfront, but they did bring in
Speaker 1: Sammy Walker from Minnesota in exchange for future considerations. What
Speaker 1: do you make of the minor move they executed earlier today.
Speaker 4: I think it definitely is correlated to losing Logan Coolly
Speaker 4: and losing a forward. I think it might just be
Speaker 4: numbers wise, especially because he was assigned to the AHL.
Speaker 4: Josh Doan right now was recalled when Dylan Gunther went down.
Speaker 4: So the Tucson Roadrunners, who are Utah's HL affiliate, lost
Speaker 4: a ford in their own roster, and now that Coolie's out,
Speaker 4: you could expect them to call up another forward from
Speaker 4: the AHL. But you know, I think we sometimes forget
Speaker 4: that when they pull up a player, that team loses
Speaker 4: a player. So in my mind, it could just be
Speaker 4: numbers wise safety for if they need to call someone
Speaker 4: like Kyler Yamamoto up or anyone else on that roster
Speaker 4: just to have a thirteenth forward in practice, or someone
Speaker 4: else gets hurt, that team is able to fill in
Speaker 4: as well. And I think for future considerations, you know
Speaker 4: you're not giving up much, so just another healthy, strong body.
Speaker 4: I don't imagine him coming into the Utah line up
Speaker 4: anytime soon, but good thing to have in your organization.
Speaker 4: And he played at University of Minnesota, was in Minnesota
Speaker 4: for a bit in the AHL too, So yeah, I
Speaker 4: think it's a safe move that can probably only help
Speaker 4: the team in terms of depth moving forward.
Speaker 1: You referenced now that John Marino is healthy and Cirgchev
Speaker 1: is back in the lineup, we're seeing those two skate together,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are being curious and waiting
Speaker 1: for this opportunity. What are the early returns bell now
Speaker 1: that we have a little bit of a sample size
Speaker 1: with those two playing together.
Speaker 4: They're both very complimentary of each other, which is funny.
Speaker 4: We've talked to both of them obviously about playing with
Speaker 4: each other. And Sergachev earlier in this year when there
Speaker 4: were a lot of injuries on the back end, he
Speaker 4: was skating with Michael Kestering and they split that up
Speaker 4: because they said they wanted Sergachev to have the puck
Speaker 4: more because he's obviously very puck moving defenceman leans into
Speaker 4: his offensive game. But you know, John Marino is also
Speaker 4: known as that of bit, so I think maybe people
Speaker 4: were curious how they would balance that out. But I
Speaker 4: asked Marino about that and he said, I'm just giving
Speaker 4: the puck Sergatev if he's open, If we're in the
Speaker 4: ozone and he's left uncovered. That's the guy I'm going to.
Speaker 4: He's too good to not make a play. So I
Speaker 4: think Marino is kind of holding on to that more
Speaker 4: defensive defenceman style when he's with Sergachev and they've complimented
Speaker 4: each other well, Sergchev talked about Marino's just smart without
Speaker 4: the puck as well, the way he positions his body
Speaker 4: and he takes off angles of others teams, let alone
Speaker 4: his shot, and he filled in on the second power
Speaker 4: play unit for a few games, and he's on the
Speaker 4: penalty kills, So I think you see that same versatility
Speaker 4: and also just load management. He's playing twenty one twenty
Speaker 4: two plus minute tonight and it balances out for Sergachev
Speaker 4: and the rest of the d course. So I think
Speaker 4: when you see Shan Jersey eventually come out to all
Speaker 4: of these players will be able to play twenty to
Speaker 4: twenty three minutes and play to the best of their
Speaker 4: ability instead of being shutched out a little thin. And
Speaker 4: you see that with Marino coming in that's already getting
Speaker 4: a bit better.
Speaker 1: Thirteen road wins. That's more than Vegas, that's more than
Speaker 1: the Kings. I mean, that's more than the Hurricanes and
Speaker 1: it's more than the Maple Leaves or the Senators. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're good on the road, bell but eight home wins
Speaker 1: is the least amount of home wins in the Western Conference.
Speaker 1: And you know what in the entire league, Now that
Speaker 1: I have the stats in front of me, what gives what?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: How can this team be really dynamite away from home
Speaker 1: and still not being able to figure it out here
Speaker 1: as the Delta Center.
Speaker 4: It's really wild. And honestly, their road record more recently
Speaker 4: has not it hasn't been as good as it's been
Speaker 4: in the beginning of the season. So I think at
Speaker 4: this point it's honestly just an unfortunate coincidence. It feels
Speaker 4: like that this team is hitting a slump with injuries,
Speaker 4: with just the dog days of the season, and they
Speaker 4: happen to play a lot at home in January and
Speaker 4: early February. Yeah, you feel awful and the fans and
Speaker 4: you feel bad for the fans, and the players always
Speaker 4: say that, you know, they want to win in front
Speaker 4: of this loyal fan base so badly, And originally they
Speaker 4: were saying, maybe we get too emotional on home ice.
Speaker 4: We're gripping our sticks too much because we want to
Speaker 4: win so badly that we're overthinking the game. But in
Speaker 4: my eyes, at this point in the season, you know,
Speaker 4: that's not an excuse anymore. Every single team plays forty
Speaker 4: one games at home. Every single team wants to win
Speaker 4: in front of their fans, whether they're a new franchise
Speaker 4: or not. So I don't know if it's the nerves anymore.
Speaker 4: I doubt it is. I think it's just they're working
Speaker 4: through a tough part of the season when during the
Speaker 4: month that they had close to eleven home games and
Speaker 4: now they'll have three on the road before the Four
Speaker 4: Nations break and kind of get to hit a reset.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's not the record you would want to
Speaker 4: have when trying to win over a new community that's
Speaker 4: getting into hockey.
Speaker 2: So, look, there are a lot of games left.
Speaker 1: I've heard all the players say that during their media availability,
Speaker 1: and of course everyone says the right things, but you know,
Speaker 1: as the old saying goes, if you want to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs, it's getting late early. So fifty two games
Speaker 1: played for the hockey club, so we're looking at about
Speaker 1: thirty games left, and there is an eight point gap
Speaker 1: between the Utah Hockey Club and the Calgary Flames for
Speaker 1: the second wildcard spot. Do you feel like we are
Speaker 1: starting to get to the point in the calendar where
Speaker 1: it's no longer like, well, we got to trust the
Speaker 1: process and do the right things, Like no, you've got
Speaker 1: to win hockey games. You have to get points if
Speaker 1: you want to be a playoff team. Is there maybe
Speaker 1: a little more urgency with the group from your experience
Speaker 1: that we've seen prior to this point the calendar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely think there's urgency, But I also think
Speaker 4: there needs to be just a general reminder that this
Speaker 4: team it's okay if it's not a playoff team. You know,
Speaker 4: I know it's a separate team in the Arizona Coyotes,
Speaker 4: But when you look at that overlap during the fourth
Speaker 4: year of a rebuild, and sometimes teams are two to
Speaker 4: three points at the end of that, they're a bubble team,
Speaker 4: and that's, you know, a step in the right direction,
Speaker 4: even though it's not as fun and you want to
Speaker 4: obviously make it to the first round, and especially in
Speaker 4: the inaugural season. I think that's why expectations have been
Speaker 4: so high. But I think fans it's disappointing. Like I
Speaker 4: grew up a fan. You hate when your team misses
Speaker 4: the playoffs, but it doesn't mean that this season was
Speaker 4: a failure for Utah. I think if they went on
Speaker 4: a run, it's obviously possible. Eight points is four games,
Speaker 4: but then you have to rely on everyone else in
Speaker 4: the West to go on a losing streak, which doesn't
Speaker 4: look like it will happen. So I definitely think the players,
Speaker 4: you know, we ask them about it basically every day
Speaker 4: and they say, we're fighting for our playoff lives right now.
Speaker 4: They're very much aware of it. It's not like they're
Speaker 4: throwing it and giving up that they're pushing. They want
Speaker 4: to do it. But the way the numbers look and
Speaker 4: with the injuries they're dealing with, I think externally, maybe
Speaker 4: prepare for an early summer and that's okay, you know,
Speaker 4: I think that was kind of the expectation coming in,
Speaker 4: and then they have kept themselves in the mix. So
Speaker 4: either way, I think the team is kind of where
Speaker 4: they expected it to be, and that might be outside
Speaker 4: the playoff picture.
Speaker 1: And if you are correct, and the injuries certainly have
Speaker 1: to be brought into play here and it is in
Speaker 1: early summer, Let's just have a little fun here and
Speaker 1: talk about potentially what this team is lacking with holes
Speaker 1: to take that proverbial next step, maybe a year ago
Speaker 1: or a year from now, I should say, and Bill
Speaker 1: Armstrong talks often about this process where they're at with
Speaker 1: clean books and draft capital.
Speaker 2: It's very Utah jazz is quite.
Speaker 1: Frankly, but what should the point of emphasis be if
Speaker 1: they want to continue this upward growth or do you
Speaker 1: think they just continue to kind of grow in house
Speaker 1: with the pieces they already have.
Speaker 4: Well, I think first before you look outside who to
Speaker 4: bring in. They have some expiring contracts. You know, we
Speaker 4: talked about Alex Kerfoot, Jack McBain, Dukestad, Logan Cooley can
Speaker 4: be up for an extension, and Carel Vimelka is going
Speaker 4: to be an unrestricted free agent. So those are pretty
Speaker 4: core pieces of that team that I think Bill Armstrong
Speaker 4: is going to have to make a decision if they're
Speaker 4: going to be part of the future. I imagine they
Speaker 4: hand Coolly a blank check and say not actually, but
Speaker 4: I mean he's going to be a star on this
Speaker 4: team for many years to come. I imagine the same
Speaker 4: conversation is with Jack McBain. That's someone that they don't
Speaker 4: want to lose. He's shown he can play the wing center,
Speaker 4: you know, another guy that kind of does it all
Speaker 4: with his physicality too. And then I think it's really
Speaker 4: interesting looking at cREL Vimelka, even with the trade deadline
Speaker 4: coming up. You know, Utah has two starting goaltenders who
Speaker 4: have proven they can be great goalies in this league,
Speaker 4: and a lot of teams that are pushing to make
Speaker 4: a long run in the playoffs. They have everything but
Speaker 4: steady goaltending. So it'll you know, do they deal with
Speaker 4: Milka at the trade deadline to get a return in
Speaker 4: case they don't sign him this summer and he's just
Speaker 4: because he's unrestricted, or do they decide to extend him
Speaker 4: and really roll with him as the starter and figure
Speaker 4: out what to do with Connor Ingram in the future.
Speaker 4: So they obviously haven't talked about that publicly, but I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: before they go out to try to fill holes, they
Speaker 4: need to decide what holes are going to be left
Speaker 4: with these guys who could sign different contracts this summer.
Speaker 2: Tyler Tucker hate Utah. What's the deal?
Speaker 1: It seems like he's fighting everybody every time these two
Speaker 1: teams play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's funny and yeah, he scored last game too,
Speaker 4: not two games ago. I guess, yeah, it's fought Liam
Speaker 4: O'Brien and Jack McBain. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 4: but I guess he likes the Delta center.
Speaker 1: Is uh is is our guy, spicy tuna, the tough guy.
Speaker 1: Is he the enforcer? Like when when we need somebody
Speaker 1: to fight? Does he established himself as this guy?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I think he knows that he knows his
Speaker 4: role pretty well, and he says when he's put in
Speaker 4: the lineup, he's gonna go out there, he's going to
Speaker 4: be physical. I think he's had almost four fights this season,
Speaker 4: so when he's in the lineup, you know that he's
Speaker 4: looking to kind of stir the pot and choose his
Speaker 4: spots to switch the momentum. But Jack McBain two, Obviously
Speaker 4: he's a little bit more talented, little bit more skilled
Speaker 4: than Lime O'Brien. But he fought last game and I
Speaker 4: wouldn't call him an enforcer, but he's definitely one of
Speaker 4: those guys that has an edge and holds the other
Speaker 4: team accountable when they're on that ice. So yeah, those
Speaker 4: are two guys that I think Utah's happy to have
Speaker 4: and kind of the other team thinks twice when they
Speaker 4: see them coming over the bench.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe the Blues are kind of emerging
Speaker 1: as this random rival because of the physical nature. I mean,
Speaker 1: you and I talked about to start the year, who who's.
Speaker 2: The rival going to be?
Speaker 1: I mean, fans want to know that, and the proximity
Speaker 1: would indicate maybe it's the Avs. Are we getting closer
Speaker 1: and closer because rivalries oftentimes, yes, geographical proximity helps, but
Speaker 1: they're created over time, playing close, physical games, most often
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, as you know. But are we getting
Speaker 1: closer to understand who the hockey club's rival is?
Speaker 4: It seems like Saint Louis could be one of those, especially,
Speaker 4: I mean it's divisionals, so they'll play them one more time.
Speaker 4: I think they close out the regular season in Saint Louis. Actually,
Speaker 4: so they played them four times in a regular season,
Speaker 4: So I think that automatically lends to more tensions because
Speaker 4: you've played them so many times, and you know those
Speaker 4: those two fights and the close games, and they're both
Speaker 4: they're one point away from each other in the standings.
Speaker 4: But like you said, playoffs, I think there's not a
Speaker 4: real rival until Utah makes it to the first round.
Speaker 4: I think the first team they face in the playoffs
Speaker 4: will be the real rivalry that these fans are like,
Speaker 4: I hate that team because, yeah, it sucks losing a
Speaker 4: regular season game that was close, but you don't learn
Speaker 4: real NHL heartbreak until you see your team lose a
Speaker 4: Game seven or something like that. So yeah, I think
Speaker 4: Saint Louis games are fun to get up for, and
Speaker 4: really anyone in the Central Division. But my view is
Speaker 4: there for first postseason matchup will be the official first
Speaker 4: rival in Utah Hockey Club history.
Speaker 2: All right, Bell, before I say you lose for a
Speaker 2: couple of minutes we have left.
Speaker 1: Let's move over to the topic that everybody really wants
Speaker 1: to talk about as a parta to this Utah Hockey Club,
Speaker 1: and that is names and logos and where we're at
Speaker 1: Before we get to the logos that have been leaked.
Speaker 1: I have not been able to visit with you since
Speaker 1: the news came down that they went through the process
Speaker 1: to try to make the Utah Yeti's name or reality.
Speaker 2: So now we know that was the preferred name.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of rumors even some players said
Speaker 1: that was their understanding.
Speaker 2: So what's your understanding.
Speaker 1: Of just kind of that process, how it went down,
Speaker 1: and any inside as to how disappointed they are down
Speaker 1: there that their preferred name is not going to be
Speaker 1: a reality.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So in terms of the process, I think everyone
Speaker 4: saw the articles come out a few weeks ago when
Speaker 4: the Trademark Office rejected Utah Hockey Club's application trademark application
Speaker 4: for Yeti's because of likelihood of confusion with the Yeti
Speaker 4: Coolers company. So then people are asking what are they
Speaker 4: going to do now, And so that entertainment group actually
Speaker 4: came out and said, listen, we knew this was going
Speaker 4: to happen far before we actually got rejected. We've been
Speaker 4: in conversations with the Yeddi Coolers for months before January
Speaker 4: trying to strike a coexistence deal. So basically that means
Speaker 4: even if they got rejected by the Trademark Office, if
Speaker 4: Yeti Coolers agreed to share the trademark and both be
Speaker 4: able to use it in the commercial market but for
Speaker 4: different products, and they agree within the two companies that
Speaker 4: a consumer going into the store could tell the difference
Speaker 4: between Utah Yeti's and Yeti Coolers, they could go to
Speaker 4: the Trademark office tell them that and it would go through,
Speaker 4: but YETI coolers denied that their leadership did not want
Speaker 4: to enter a coexistence agreement. So this entertainment group made
Speaker 4: the decision to just drop it, drop the name completely,
Speaker 4: And I mean, I'm sure internally there was some disappointment
Speaker 4: up with that, but I think it allowed them to
Speaker 4: lean more into including the fans. As we know, they've
Speaker 4: done another round of voting between Utah Hockey Club, Utah MS,
Speaker 4: Utah Outlaws formerly Utah Lossatch, and it seems like this
Speaker 4: could be the final iteration. Fans are voting all week
Speaker 4: at the Delta Center. So yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 4: a lot of fans were tied to the YETI name.
Speaker 4: I'm sure the organization was in some respect, but i
Speaker 4: think people are excited about the new options and I'm
Speaker 4: just excited to have a say in what the team
Speaker 4: ends up being.
Speaker 1: Do you have any insight as to what led them
Speaker 1: to removing Utah Wassatch and putting in the Utah Laws.
Speaker 2: I mean, outside of the fact.
Speaker 1: It was a horrible idea at the you know, the
Speaker 1: first place, But.
Speaker 2: Do you know how they went about the process and
Speaker 2: making that decision.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just feedback from the fans. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think you saw on social media and conversations at
Speaker 4: the arena just no one liked it. Everyone was very
Speaker 4: confused if it was just the concept of a mountain
Speaker 4: range that was going to be their mascot. I think
Speaker 4: people were also confused with the logo, how it looked
Speaker 4: like a Yetti and it seemed like kind of recycled
Speaker 4: of the Yetti plan with a name that didn't really
Speaker 4: match it. So they just listened to what the fans
Speaker 4: were saying, and Wassatch was never in the top six
Speaker 4: from the last survey, but Outlaws was, so they stuck
Speaker 4: to meet the fan opinion and they switched it out
Speaker 4: less than twenty four hours later, and fans were able
Speaker 4: to vote on a clean slate so they could go
Speaker 4: back and cast their vote for Outlaws if they couldn't
Speaker 4: the first. So yeah, it was really just listening to
Speaker 4: the fans and adjusting from there.
Speaker 1: All right, before I said you loose, what is your
Speaker 1: as far as the feedback you receive online and conversations
Speaker 1: you have with people.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, what do you think this team name will be?
Speaker 4: From talking to people at Delta Center, it seems like
Speaker 4: most people like Mammoth but I will say there is
Speaker 4: a big group of Outlaw supporters too that feels like
Speaker 4: it might be creeping in. So I think, without a
Speaker 4: doubt it's a tie between those two. I think a
Speaker 4: lot of people are leaning away from Utah Hockey Club,
Speaker 4: but from our polling on just Twitter and talking to people,
Speaker 4: it seems like Mammos is ahead, but not by a lot.
Speaker 4: A lot of people like Outlaws as well.
Speaker 1: All right, Bell, where can people go find your work?
Speaker 1: Can I see that you guys are doing a hockey
Speaker 1: pod now over the trip.
Speaker 4: Yes, you have a hockey podcast that comes out every Tuesday.
Speaker 4: It's called Inside the Club, So it'll drop tomorrow with
Speaker 4: a special player guest. You can find me a Salt
Speaker 4: Lake Tribune website and then on Twitter and X I'm
Speaker 4: Belfraser one. I have all team updates and stuff are
Speaker 4: throughout the day.
Speaker 1: Keep up the great work, Bell, appreciate the time. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have a great week.
Speaker 4: Thank you you too.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Belle Fraser covers the Utckey Club for the Salt Lake Tribune.
Speaker 1: As she referenced on Twitter at Belle Fraser one is
Speaker 1: where you find her, all right, So, she said, there
Speaker 1: is a group of people making a push for the
Speaker 1: utile laws and for our listeners. If you missed it,
Speaker 1: we did a complete, comprehensive twenty five minute history lesson
Speaker 1: Porter is related to Jesse James, Right, is that what
Speaker 1: it is?
Speaker 2: Billy Billy the Kid?
Speaker 1: Oh, Butch Casside, the most famous utile law there you go,
Speaker 1: and the Sundance.
Speaker 3: Kid, Harvey Longabah Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the Wild what they call the Gang, the Wild
Speaker 1: The Gang is the Wild Bunch, the Wild Bunch.
Speaker 3: Yes, sounds like a very uh wild bunch.
Speaker 2: It does. But I think they could have done better
Speaker 2: than that if they put a little.
Speaker 3: More thought in, Like it's it's not that creative.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, Like I'm Butch Cassidy, the Sundance Kid. Hey,
Speaker 1: what are we going to call the gang? I don't know,
Speaker 1: wild bunch? I mean they should have put it to
Speaker 1: a fan vote back then.
Speaker 3: They should have. They should have. Yeah, you're a thinker.
Speaker 1: I am a think I'm an idea man, and and
Speaker 1: my idea of keeping this team name the Utah Hockey Club,
Speaker 1: which is my preferred name. It has been the entire time.
Speaker 1: It feels like, truly I'm on an island.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen many I haven't seen many people since
Speaker 5: it got narrowed down to three that agree with you.
Speaker 5: I've seen a few, like fans on on social media
Speaker 5: that that that enjoy it or that have grown attached
Speaker 5: to it. Which, hey, if you have a team named
Speaker 5: for a year or so, fans are going to grow
Speaker 5: attached to it. They're gonna buy those sweaters, They're gonna
Speaker 5: buy those shirts, and there's gonna be there's gonna be
Speaker 5: something that attaches them to that. But yeah, I think
Speaker 5: the majority of folks have landed on one of the
Speaker 5: two mascots rather than the Utah Hockey Club.
Speaker 3: But we're gonna see, man.
Speaker 5: I I've I've been vocal about how I haven't really
Speaker 5: liked the way they've approached the process. But this fite
Speaker 5: that I've mentioned it, I think they've landed on three
Speaker 5: options that are pretty good and have a good landing
Speaker 5: spot in front of them.
Speaker 1: I do have to enter something into uh, you know,
Speaker 1: into the into this scenario here. I have to offer
Speaker 1: something in this scenario to wonder. Let me ask you, first,
Speaker 1: how did how did your was it your third cousin
Speaker 1: Butch Sundance and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance it was
Speaker 1: at your third cousin.
Speaker 3: Butch is my third cousin.
Speaker 2: So how did how did Butch meet his demise? How
Speaker 2: did it all end for him?
Speaker 5: That's actually an interesting question because there's there's there's some
Speaker 5: gray area there as as you will learn in the
Speaker 5: uh The Life of Butch Cassidy, he was allegedly done
Speaker 5: down in South America as he was on the run,
Speaker 5: right really, but there is i would say, unconfirmed reports
Speaker 5: that we could get into that he lived longer than
Speaker 5: that and and was that was kind of a setup
Speaker 5: if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the reason I bring it up.
Speaker 1: So he but he was never caught Eve was never
Speaker 1: caught by the police or right.
Speaker 3: No, he was.
Speaker 5: And that's the other thing. He was down in South
Speaker 5: America when he was allegedly killed. So there's not an
Speaker 5: actual burial, it's like a it's like an unofficial burial,
Speaker 5: which which makes those.
Speaker 3: Rumors kind of even more so interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, on this show, we pushed for the mascot to
Speaker 1: be a Butch Cassidy like character. There we go, right,
Speaker 1: But the only issue is the very definition of an
Speaker 1: outlaw is a person who has broken the law, especially
Speaker 1: one who remains out large or as a fugitive.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 1: But if he was never caught, is he an outlaw?
Speaker 1: He was an outlaw, but by the dictionary definition, once
Speaker 1: you're caught, you're no longer an outlaw.
Speaker 5: So he, I'll have to I disagree with the that that.
Speaker 2: You disagree with the dictionary.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he so he was actually incarcerated before
Speaker 5: he became an outlaw. Okay, so on its face, I
Speaker 5: don't really necessarily agree with that, But no, he was
Speaker 5: not caught.
Speaker 3: In the end, he was murdered.
Speaker 2: So, like the bowl, is no longer a fugitive. He
Speaker 2: got caught.
Speaker 1: According to the Webster Dictionary definition of an outlaw, this
Speaker 1: is somebody who's broken the law and remains at large.
Speaker 3: While they're at large, that's when they're the outlaw. Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: that's fair.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I guess we'll see.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow is your last chance to vote for the Utahey
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