Speaker 1: Simple questions for one hundred people. Welcome to the experiment.
Speaker 1: I'm Bill Correll, and this is my investigation, my research
Speaker 1: project to gather data from one hundred beautiful human beings
Speaker 1: for the sole purpose to see what actually happens across
Speaker 1: the interviews. Now, the questions are fixed and all the
Speaker 1: interviews will remain consistent with the variable being the actual
Speaker 1: participants themselves and their answers. It says, if Dave, I'm
Speaker 1: having you come sit on my portion, share your thoughts
Speaker 1: so I can learn about people now looking forward to
Speaker 1: what we're going to know after we're doing with this
Speaker 1: whole thing and have interviewed one hundred people. But in
Speaker 1: the process, I'm very interested in your story and what
Speaker 1: life is like for you. So I'm I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: go ahead and get get started here. What is your
Speaker 1: full name?
Speaker 2: My full name, Bill is David Joseph Anthony Roberts, and
Speaker 2: I have two middle names, and there's a story behind that.
Speaker 2: I like that there's a story behind that. Joseph was
Speaker 2: the middle name that my mother gave my mother and
Speaker 2: father gave me at birth, and then they added Anthony
Speaker 2: onto it because that was my confirmation name, and there
Speaker 2: was this typical. It was typical in the Catholic Church,
Speaker 2: and I went to that we would take our confirmation
Speaker 2: name as part of our full name and so on.
Speaker 2: My enhanced driver's license is David Joseph Anthony Roberts. But
Speaker 2: I always tell everybody my middle name is Joseph, because
Speaker 2: it would take me too long to explain why I
Speaker 2: got two middle first names.
Speaker 1: So you're you're initial are DJR.
Speaker 2: DJR yes, and I don't usually go by that acronym,
Speaker 2: but now I might have to, just because you dub
Speaker 2: me with that DJER.
Speaker 1: You can put that on your business card now, thanks
Speaker 1: thanks to me. My confirmation name is Joseph.
Speaker 2: Another met the path of alignment for the two of us.
Speaker 1: There you go. My mom, her birthday was the nineteenth
Speaker 1: of March Misa twenty first, and I think the twentieth is,
Speaker 1: you know, Joseph's day, so there's something about that. But
Speaker 1: my mom converted to Catholicism.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was born Catholic, raised in the Catholic Church, went
Speaker 2: to one room schoolhouse, was an altar boy, and then
Speaker 2: what I was old enough to walk away from organized religion,
Speaker 2: I did. And now I consider myself in the words
Speaker 2: of one of my favorite authors, Kent Nurberne, to be
Speaker 2: are all as spiritualists. So I take a little bit
Speaker 2: of Buddhism, a little bit of Native American teachings of
Speaker 2: animals and nature, a little bit of ecotherapy, and that
Speaker 2: formulates the framework that I have to create awareness of
Speaker 2: myself and my relationship to the world around me.
Speaker 1: So I like that, and I really think that that's
Speaker 1: a journey that all of us go on as we get,
Speaker 1: you know, to different parts of our life and things
Speaker 1: don't necessarily seem to make sense to me. Be a
Speaker 1: blind believer if you will. But was the Mass still
Speaker 1: in Latin when you were an ultra boy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: Thankfully I didn't have to learn Latin, but there were
Speaker 2: parts of the Mass of worm Latin.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I also was raised in I'm half Lebanese as well too,
Speaker 2: So another church I went to was a Maroni Catholic
Speaker 2: church and the Mass was in Lebanese. But I didn't
Speaker 2: understand Lebanese, so you know, I could just kind of
Speaker 2: go off in my own little world and think about
Speaker 2: something else. And because I didn't understand the language.
Speaker 1: So well, we had these really cool laminated cards in
Speaker 1: front of us when we were Altra boys and you
Speaker 1: go down.
Speaker 2: A to you know, yeah, I just basically lip synced
Speaker 2: everything with the mass.
Speaker 1: Built exactly exactly. It was performance art, wasn't it at
Speaker 1: the age of eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very much.
Speaker 2: So I hadn't been hadn't looked at it like that
Speaker 2: until you just mentioned it. But yeah, it could be
Speaker 2: considered a form of performance art.
Speaker 1: So, uh, DJR, what's your favorite nickname that most people
Speaker 1: don't know?
Speaker 2: Well, I had a high school English teacher at Notre
Speaker 2: Dame High School in Utica, New York, where I'm from.
Speaker 2: His name was Dave Brown, great sense of humor. He
Speaker 2: gave everybody in his English class nicknames. He gave me
Speaker 2: the nickname of Oral, for the famous evangelist Oral Roberts.
Speaker 3: Roberts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so every time he would see me, he would,
Speaker 2: you know, he would just do one of these, you know,
Speaker 2: raise his hands and do the heel sign and call me,
Speaker 2: you know, call me Oral. So that was my nickname
Speaker 2: in high school. I certainly don't go by that now,
Speaker 2: but not too many people know of my high school history.
Speaker 2: So you're the first one I've told.
Speaker 1: Well, it's our secret, okay.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and that, and how many of our listeners
Speaker 2: you have listening to this podcast, it'll be their secret too.
Speaker 1: So hopefully it'll be a few million at some point.
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 2: So if a few million could keep my sacred great.
Speaker 1: They're sworn to secrecy. Now, Okay, guys, you got that,
Speaker 1: So I love it. And what oral is that something
Speaker 1: that stayed with you for a while or it kind
Speaker 1: of went away when you got out of high school?
Speaker 1: Kind of deal.
Speaker 2: Kind of went away when I got out of high
Speaker 2: school because when I went to college, I left that
Speaker 2: part of my history separate. And when I got to college,
Speaker 2: I realized that, you know, nobody really cared as much
Speaker 2: about what you did in high school is as we
Speaker 2: thought they were going to do. So it was more about,
Speaker 2: you know, planning for the present, you know, looking at
Speaker 2: the future. So my high school years never came up
Speaker 2: as a topic of conversation at all, built.
Speaker 1: And I suspect you weren't all that interested in everybody
Speaker 1: else's high school career either. No.
Speaker 2: You know, I kind of learned at a young age
Speaker 2: to kind of mind my own business, because I tell
Speaker 2: people I have enough trouble minding my business, much less
Speaker 2: minding somebody else's business. So I just learned to be
Speaker 2: respectful of boundaries and not really pry too much into
Speaker 2: other people's personal lives.
Speaker 3: Excellent.
Speaker 1: So, Dave, when did you first notice what color hair
Speaker 1: you had?
Speaker 2: That's a good question, I would. I really had to
Speaker 2: struggle with that because I never really took notice. I mean,
Speaker 2: I always knew I had brown hair, but honestly, I
Speaker 2: first began to notice that my started. I went from
Speaker 2: like blonde when I was a little kid to now
Speaker 2: like I'm brown here. I look back at pictures and anyways,
Speaker 2: I think as we get older, I had to speak
Speaker 2: for me. I tend to look at my past. That's
Speaker 2: part of I guess determining, you know, the milestones in
Speaker 2: my life and you know, looking back to see, at
Speaker 2: this point, have I made the impact that I want
Speaker 2: to make in my life. So doing that, I looked
Speaker 2: at all childhood pictures and I realized that my hair
Speaker 2: had a variety of different transformation of colors. I was
Speaker 2: blonde and then eventually it turned into brown. And now
Speaker 2: I have had phones on it, so I have a
Speaker 2: receding hairline. So so yeah, very distinguished for seeding airline
Speaker 2: and so essentially I began to notice not so much
Speaker 2: the agent when I first noticed my colors, my hair,
Speaker 2: but the different transitions that it took from childhood to now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mine's been transitioning now for almost twenty years, and
Speaker 1: this is all the more it seems to want to go.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean for me, I mean, I got
Speaker 2: a ways to go to get to get to this diseasy,
Speaker 2: tap looking beard. But we both share a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of white, which I think is a distinguished color.
Speaker 1: I really do as well. I mean, what else would
Speaker 1: you go go with? Right, That's right?
Speaker 3: White?
Speaker 2: White is also is pure you know what it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's purity, It's pure spirit. I mean, look, I
Speaker 2: mean just you could tell who we are, the essence
Speaker 2: of who we are, just by the color of our beards.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what with that in mind, being as pure as you
Speaker 1: and I are. What's your favorite thing to do to
Speaker 1: intentionally waste time?
Speaker 2: To intentionally waste time, I like to play jin Rummy
Speaker 2: on my iPad and and I'll usually do that at
Speaker 2: the end of the day at night when I want
Speaker 2: to just kind of relax, especially after I put in
Speaker 2: a full day of you know, doing you know, doing
Speaker 2: stuff for school because I teach it as you know,
Speaker 2: I teach it all local University of Utika University in
Speaker 2: the Pratt School of Art. I teach psychology courses and
Speaker 2: dutt dying and Bereadman and Utika University as well as
Speaker 2: care of the human spirit. So after putting in a
Speaker 2: full day of prep grading, I just kind of in
Speaker 2: just doing other stuff, you know. I just like to
Speaker 2: kind of unwind and just play mindless gin Rummy and
Speaker 2: imagine myself as a gin Rummy champion of the universe.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, it sounds like some fantasies that
Speaker 1: I've had about holding poker.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it's but you know, but that that's
Speaker 2: kind of what I do, just a waste time.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to this one. What's your favorite movie
Speaker 1: to watch alone?
Speaker 2: Well that was an easy one for me to answer.
Speaker 2: Field the Dreams with Kevin Koshner beautiful and I'll tell
Speaker 2: you why, Bill.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 2: It is just just the acting with Ray Liota and
Speaker 2: the other actor who I blanket on his name, but
Speaker 2: I love his voice and I forget he just died
Speaker 2: recently and I'm blinking on his name.
Speaker 1: James Earl Jones, James.
Speaker 2: Earl Jones, thank you, thank you for that. Just a
Speaker 2: great cast. And also the end of the movie where
Speaker 2: Kevin Costner has a catch with his father and this
Speaker 2: and I cry like a baby every time I see
Speaker 2: this because my father left me when I was five
Speaker 2: years old, left me and my mother. My mom raised
Speaker 2: me as an only child. So every time I see
Speaker 2: that photo, I see that the end scene where Kevin
Speaker 2: Costner asks his father, Dad, do you want to have
Speaker 2: to catch? Because that was the one thing that he
Speaker 2: just he refused to do because of conflicts that he
Speaker 2: had had with his father, and you know, as far
Speaker 2: part of the storyline. So when he does that, it's
Speaker 2: like there were days Bill that I wish I could
Speaker 2: have gone back on my past, seen the ghost of
Speaker 2: my father as a young man and just had asked him,
Speaker 2: you know, you know what contributed to you leaving? And
Speaker 2: I realized now wasn't because he left me because he
Speaker 2: didn't love me. He left me because he did love me.
Speaker 2: He just his history did not allow him to stay
Speaker 2: in a traditional marriage. His history was one of you know,
Speaker 2: you didn't shut down roots, particularly if emotional attachment was
Speaker 2: asked of you. If emotional attachment was asked, you booked.
Speaker 2: And I think he did the best he could. And
Speaker 2: I realized after about fifty five years, you know, after
Speaker 2: he left, I realized that he left because he did
Speaker 2: love me. He did not want to interfere with, you know,
Speaker 2: with my mom and and in mine and my development.
Speaker 2: And but every time I see that movie, I got
Speaker 2: watched it one hundred times and I'll still have the
Speaker 2: same reaction with the scene at the end of the movie.
Speaker 2: So that's why that movie is my favorite to watch
Speaker 2: alone because I can just be with my emotions cry
Speaker 2: do I do what I want to do with that?
Speaker 2: And it's a movie that I like to watch alone
Speaker 2: because it's like, at that moment, I'm also bonding with
Speaker 2: my father.
Speaker 1: That's that's absolutely amazing and uh and very wonderful, and
Speaker 1: I'm pleased for you. You know, that's a special gift
Speaker 1: that he's given you to be able to connect with
Speaker 1: him in that way.
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And and I look at that as I'm bonding with
Speaker 2: with the memory of who I believe he could have been,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think who he is now in spirit.
Speaker 3: I firm.
Speaker 2: He's one of my He's one of my, I think,
Speaker 2: greatest teachers today.
Speaker 1: You're always listening for him, aren't you.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And I love him as much. I love him as
Speaker 2: much as the mother who raised me for all of
Speaker 2: my wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, I really do. And I mean
Speaker 1: beyond the the euphemism of I get it, I'm getting
Speaker 1: it at a gut level.
Speaker 3: Yep. Yep.
Speaker 1: That's gone now too, Dave and h That's what I'm
Speaker 1: saying to you. You know, would I love to have
Speaker 1: a catch with him again? Damn straight?
Speaker 3: I would?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, And I think we all yearned for that,
Speaker 2: no matter how long it's been or how short it's.
Speaker 1: Been, and no matter what the shortcomings were of the
Speaker 1: way you know, your childhood went. So you get one dad,
Speaker 1: you get one mom, and when they're gone, nobody over
Speaker 1: takes their place.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: All right, this one. It's the first time I've asked
Speaker 1: a college professor, so I'm really kind of interested how
Speaker 1: this is going to go. If you were to have
Speaker 1: an action figure made of view, what superpower would it
Speaker 1: have and what color would its uniform be?
Speaker 2: I leave it to you to ask me. This is
Speaker 2: tough of a question for the first time, and I
Speaker 2: had to think about this. But for me, I would
Speaker 2: want my superpower to be invisible, yep. And my colors
Speaker 2: would be lavender because that is the favorite color of
Speaker 2: my eighteen year old daughter, Jeanie, who I think, as
Speaker 2: you know, during our introductory call, she transitioned and I
Speaker 2: call transition from the physical plant of this spiritual plane
Speaker 2: at the age of eighteen on March first, two thousand
Speaker 2: and three, of a very rare and aggressive form of cancer.
Speaker 2: And that was your favorite color. I would also use
Speaker 2: green because that's a color of camouflage and that's typically
Speaker 2: associated with invisibility. The reason I would pick invisibility is
Speaker 2: I like to be able to kind of like not
Speaker 2: say much when I'm I'm but I like to observe,
Speaker 2: so I'd like to be invisible doing it. I like
Speaker 2: to kind of take a look at the landscape around me,
Speaker 2: take everything in, not respond to it right away, but
Speaker 2: just take it in and respond to it when the
Speaker 2: time is when the time is right. So it's part
Speaker 2: of me kind of like like liking to be invisible,
Speaker 2: not having people knowing what I'm doing, but yet I'm
Speaker 2: being able to blend in and observe what I see
Speaker 2: going on around me, and then try to integrate it
Speaker 2: into my own my own reality or my own you know,
Speaker 2: my own perspective or belief systems. So it would be invisibility.
Speaker 1: I like it. So when you when you, I'm assuming
Speaker 1: that there will be times when you'll be visible.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, when I'm teaching, I'm very visible. When I'm
Speaker 2: doing my podcast, I'm very visible, you know. So I'm
Speaker 2: I'm very visible when I'm doing that, or when I'm
Speaker 2: doing speaking and you know, speaking or workshops, I'm very visible.
Speaker 2: But there's a time to be visible and there's a
Speaker 2: time to be invisible. So it's learning for me. It's
Speaker 2: learning to find a balance, and it's learning that not
Speaker 2: everything that I see requires an immediate comment. For me,
Speaker 2: I can simply withhold that comment until the time is right,
Speaker 2: until the timing is wrong.
Speaker 1: For some people. Yeah, that's superpower for some people, right there.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: The ability to hang back and realize you don't have
Speaker 1: to catch every ball that gets thrown.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, we could choose to let some balls go by.
Speaker 2: We can choose to drop a couple of balls.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So one last question, would you have a cape?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: No, I think if I had a cape, it would
Speaker 2: take years of therapy for my students don't see that,
Speaker 2: especially if I had tights. So part of the visibility
Speaker 2: bill is just not being that obvious. So I would
Speaker 2: probably wear just just a hoodie, jeans, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: with maybe lavender and green hues, and then just become
Speaker 2: invisible at will, just blend in with the surroundings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's the makings of a new serenity prayer
Speaker 1: right there. You know, Lord give me the you know,
Speaker 1: the strength to be visible when I should be and
Speaker 1: invisible when I'm not, and the wisdom to know the difference.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 2: So, and I tell my students because you know, I
Speaker 2: kid around saying if you saw me dance, there wouldn't
Speaker 2: be enough therapy for you to want to see that either.
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to bust a move in class
Speaker 2: just for fear of unless you sign a disclaimer notice first,
Speaker 2: and I'm not responsible for any changes in your metal
Speaker 2: as a result of seeing what you just saw.
Speaker 1: And post a five thousand dollars bond, right.
Speaker 2: And post a five thousand dollars bond yep, and and
Speaker 2: it makes sure you know, and I would probably have
Speaker 2: to change my phone number two or email addresses or
Speaker 2: something just so their parents would have trouble finding me.
Speaker 3: Another part of.
Speaker 2: My technological need to be invisible. I could do that
Speaker 2: on a technological standpoint, from a digital standpoint, to be invisible.
Speaker 1: Let's tell the truth, ladies and gentlemen, that's just playing
Speaker 1: hiding out right.
Speaker 3: You've got it. You got it.
Speaker 2: You got a.
Speaker 1: Time for for for every everything in the season, right,
Speaker 1: every season.
Speaker 3: You got it.
Speaker 2: You got to know one to hide, and you got
Speaker 2: to know when to be invisible or hide, and one
Speaker 2: to be visible.
Speaker 1: All right, So now we know what a superhero is like.
Speaker 1: For a college professor, excellent.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't speak for all college professors. I'm sure
Speaker 2: they would have a different, different version of that, but
Speaker 2: for me, it's invisibility. And one of the best pervisor
Speaker 2: I ever had. He was He was an next Navy
Speaker 2: seal commander and he was a social worker. So you
Speaker 2: want to talk about a combination of our skills. He
Speaker 2: knew how to build teams, he knew how to put
Speaker 2: people in places to succeed, and he always preached about
Speaker 2: being invisible. He spoke to the clients that we dealt
Speaker 2: with at the addiction center that we worked in, be invisible,
Speaker 2: do your job, don't draw attention to yourself. And that
Speaker 2: always stuck with me. That always stuck with me. Is
Speaker 2: that that the importance of being invisible?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So did you draw attention to what you need to
Speaker 2: draw attention to and not to any behavior that's going
Speaker 2: to detract from the mission.
Speaker 1: That's a famous Pacino saying in The Devil's Advocate, never
Speaker 1: let them see you coming, Daniel.
Speaker 2: That's right now. Let him see you coming, Dan Oh, yep.
Speaker 2: And that's it. And you know, always the element of surprise.
Speaker 1: So what did you want to grow up to be
Speaker 1: when you were five years old?
Speaker 3: Dave?
Speaker 2: Well, Well, when I was five years old, Bill was
Speaker 2: about survival for me, because that's about the time that
Speaker 2: my father had left. And in fact, the last memory
Speaker 2: I had of my father before he left was my
Speaker 2: two uncles pitting him up against the wall and threatening
Speaker 2: to do bodily harm to him if he had hurt
Speaker 2: if he'd hurt my mother again. And I was in
Speaker 2: the kitchen. I remember, I was five years old. I
Speaker 2: was eating a baloney sandwich. And I saw this, and
Speaker 2: that was the last memory I had of my father.
Speaker 2: I think he left shortly after that. So at five
Speaker 2: years old, it was you know, we moved around quite
Speaker 2: a bit.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: My mother was always worried that my father was going
Speaker 2: to come back and take me and from her, so
Speaker 2: we moved around.
Speaker 3: So really.
Speaker 2: I didn't really it was more about survival during those years.
Speaker 2: But I can tell you when I was about ten
Speaker 2: or eleven years old, I wanted to be a lawyer
Speaker 2: because I watched Perry Mason. Yes, and I love the
Speaker 2: way Raymond Burke conducted business, and I said, boy, I
Speaker 2: grew up to I grew up, I want to be
Speaker 2: just like Raymond Byrne. I wanted to be lawyer. That
Speaker 2: never happened. Obviously, my career path went to a different way, different,
Speaker 2: different direction, which I'm grateful for. But when I was
Speaker 2: ten years old, I wanted to be a lawyer just
Speaker 2: like Perry Mason.
Speaker 1: Funny when you say Perry Mason, immediately in the back
Speaker 1: of my mind, I hear you're run.
Speaker 2: Er, Yeah, you're on her yeah, or I hear are
Speaker 2: I hear Della, or I hear Paul. I need this,
Speaker 2: you know, with this famous sidekick Paul Drake and Bella
Speaker 2: Street and Raymond Burrow is a great actor. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he ever truly got his due, but he
Speaker 2: was really a great actor, and he did some really
Speaker 2: great character roles and he was one.
Speaker 3: Of my idols.
Speaker 1: Definitely, I agree with you one hundred percent. He was
Speaker 1: a formative influence on my life as well. Another watching
Speaker 1: his show.
Speaker 3: Another point of alignment.
Speaker 1: You got it. So what's your greatest accomplishment?
Speaker 2: I had to think about this because you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know if I've had the greatest accomplishment yet. I
Speaker 2: think I've had a series of milestones. If I look
Speaker 2: at what I've accomplished, and I would have just assume
Speaker 2: go from that tack one, it's being a parent, you know,
Speaker 2: to three really great children. I've got two young two boys.
Speaker 2: One older is forty one years old, his name is Dan,
Speaker 2: and another younger son thirty five. Janine, who would have
Speaker 2: been forty, was the middle child. So I had the
Speaker 2: privilege of raising three great children. So I'm a grandfather
Speaker 2: four times over, a great grandfather twice over. So those
Speaker 2: accomplishments in terms of categories of family are meaningful to me.
Speaker 2: As far as work, you know, I think you know,
Speaker 2: you know, in education, I was, I was able to
Speaker 2: get my MSW after a twenty five year journey doing it,
Speaker 2: you know. So, I mean there's a variety of different
Speaker 2: If I had to say a great accomplishment, this is
Speaker 2: going to sound but it's actually re engaging in life
Speaker 2: after my daughter's transition, and and re engaging in life
Speaker 2: with purpose and acceptance of the fact that, you know,
Speaker 2: my life wasn't going to be the same anymore. And
Speaker 2: I think I could, I could.
Speaker 3: That to me was a.
Speaker 2: Very pivotal accomplishment for me because everything else kind of
Speaker 2: grew after after that, you know, I was able to
Speaker 2: do other things and use my teaching background and education
Speaker 2: background to you know, to provide to provide service, and
Speaker 2: do workshops, provide education on the grief journey. So so
Speaker 2: that's kind of a multi categorized answer. But the other
Speaker 2: thing is if I said I had the greatest accomplishment,
Speaker 2: this is my greatest accomplishment, I avoid that because to
Speaker 2: say that for me would give me an excuse to
Speaker 2: stop learning and growing, so and I don't. So that's
Speaker 2: why I don't say this is my greatest accomplishment. I
Speaker 2: think there's more in front of me. I've got a
Speaker 2: lot more to learn. I've got a lot more to
Speaker 2: learn from everybody around me, young and old. And my
Speaker 2: greatest accomplishment I think has yet to be to be written,
Speaker 2: and may never be written in this lifetime and may
Speaker 2: continue in other lifetimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's you know, healthy advice as far
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. It's sage to appreciate the moment for
Speaker 1: what it is and move on.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Like we see so many kids who they peak in
Speaker 1: high school, or they peak in college, and then they
Speaker 1: go out into the world having done great things, you know,
Speaker 1: academically or in sports or something of that nature, and
Speaker 1: you just can't replicate that high out there in the world,
Speaker 1: and they turn to other things.
Speaker 2: You know now, And I think the more diverse experiences
Speaker 2: we have, the more that we can allow ourselves to have,
Speaker 2: the more learning stays fresh, the more we're excited about learning,
Speaker 2: and the more we're excited about continuing to grow.
Speaker 1: The key, the key to a long, happy life is
Speaker 1: ongoing growth and development and engagement.
Speaker 2: I really believe that. I think research has shown that
Speaker 2: engagement equals longevity. If we're engaged in life. You know,
Speaker 2: we're engaged with people that it extends our life more,
Speaker 2: extends the quality of our life more. I have no
Speaker 2: illusions that I'm going to be immortal. I know at
Speaker 2: some point I'm going to be dancing in another dimension.
Speaker 2: But before I do that, I want to have the
Speaker 2: best quality of life that I can for as long
Speaker 2: as I can. And the way that I can see
Speaker 2: doing that is through engagement both with mind, body, and spirit.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that. I appreciate you, and I also
Speaker 1: want to acknowledge your decision somewhere along the way to
Speaker 1: get back on the horse of life, because you could
Speaker 1: have made another decision, and what was authentically you decided
Speaker 1: that No, we're not done yet, We've got some more
Speaker 1: stuff to do.
Speaker 2: I didn't do it, and I didn't do this by myself.
Speaker 2: I mean, before we're gonna we're going to embrace transitions
Speaker 2: in life to their growth. We don't do it in
Speaker 2: a vacuum. We do it with the support of others,
Speaker 2: and I have the support of many many individuals align
Speaker 2: the White Belt.
Speaker 1: I agree. It's the same philosophy we talk about. You know,
Speaker 1: death is something that you have to do alone. No,
Speaker 1: there's a whole community of people that's that's there, that's
Speaker 1: going through and living that experience with you. It's just
Speaker 1: not something that they can articulate what it's all about,
Speaker 1: or what it means or anything else. But they are
Speaker 1: every bit as much a participant as you were, Yes,
Speaker 1: both coming in and going out right. Absolutely, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that. I appreciate what we're what we're putting out there,
Speaker 1: because everyone in our world is grieving something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you live long enough, you're not going
Speaker 2: to get through life unscathe and there's good There's going
Speaker 2: to be challenges and you and the quality of our
Speaker 2: life is determined by the way we address challenge, by
Speaker 2: the way we transcend it. And I was saying this,
Speaker 2: I was recording a podcast yesterday with somebody that experienced
Speaker 2: a loss. We were talking about that we have no
Speaker 2: control over the challenges that are going to befell us
Speaker 2: in this life. Well, we have control overs how we
Speaker 2: respond to him. And you're right, we have a choice.
Speaker 2: We can choose to respond, or we can choose to
Speaker 2: stay stuck, you know, And we can do that, and
Speaker 2: particularly after we've we've kind of let the pain of
Speaker 2: grief envelop us. We got there's a moment of truth.
Speaker 2: Do I want to move forward? Do I want to
Speaker 2: stay stuck? And a lot of people would look at
Speaker 2: me and probably disagree with that, but it's true. We
Speaker 2: have a choice in terms of how we choose to
Speaker 2: handle challenge.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you know the yelled Jim Morrison quote that
Speaker 1: nobody gets out alive. Uh huh, And he died before
Speaker 1: he could add the next sentence, which is, and they're
Speaker 1: going to rough you up pretty good before you get there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember what he Allen saying, something to the effect
Speaker 2: that I'm not afraid of death, I just don't want
Speaker 2: to be there when.
Speaker 1: It happens, exactly. You know, that's like a Groucho line too.
Speaker 2: Or Yogi bearism, either one of the two.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the kind of thing that you really
Speaker 1: don't want to be there when he visits, you.
Speaker 3: Know, That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just well, and there's also I think there's
Speaker 2: been accounts that actually the spirit leaves our body, but
Speaker 2: just shortly before the body physical body dies. So maybe
Speaker 2: when he Allen knew something we didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be an interesting question to ask him when
Speaker 1: he's on my podcast.
Speaker 3: Don't you think? I think so too.
Speaker 2: You know, we just have to dial one eight hundred
Speaker 2: Pearly Gates exactly if we can get him down there.
Speaker 3: What are you if you're listening? Man, it's not to
Speaker 3: sign a bill.
Speaker 1: Or today, either one of us. Well, we'll stay in communication.
Speaker 1: We'll get it. We'll get it done. I got it, So, Dave,
Speaker 1: who's your favorite person to listen to?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man, I love voices. Voices will draw me. And Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 2: I can listen to Morgan Freeman all day. He's just
Speaker 2: got that very gentle present. John John, Uh, you know
Speaker 2: we just talked about him earlier. John, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: James Earl Jones.
Speaker 2: James Earl Jones, Thank you sorry, James, all right, But
Speaker 2: the James Earl Jones, Morgan Freeman, these are voices I
Speaker 2: could listen to our and like can listen to these
Speaker 2: guys anytime any day, just because of their presence, their voice,
Speaker 2: their knowledge, and they're very unassuming and humble as they presented.
Speaker 2: The other person who you might not even think would
Speaker 2: be on anybody's list is Neil Pierret, the late great
Speaker 2: drummer of Rush. I've seen interviews with him. The man
Speaker 2: is brilliant and he's a brilliant They called him the
Speaker 2: professor because of his brilliance and creativity with with with drums,
Speaker 2: in writing, he's also one of He's a great writer
Speaker 2: as well to an adventurer. And a lot of people
Speaker 2: may not know that knew that about him, but I
Speaker 2: could listen. I could listen to him all day too,
Speaker 2: not only his music but also his interviews, and he
Speaker 2: would be one guy that if I had a wish
Speaker 2: in terms of who I could have dinner with, Morgan
Speaker 2: Freeman and Neil peartt would be two of the people
Speaker 2: that I would want they have dinner with, you know,
Speaker 2: and just pick their brains.
Speaker 1: I will take that under advisement. I've always been a
Speaker 1: Getty fan, you know, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've not heard Neil speak, but I'll put it on
Speaker 1: my list now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean you can look at interviews he's done about
Speaker 2: about drumming and about everything else, and he's just very
Speaker 2: He's just brilliant. His books are as brilliant as a
Speaker 2: lyricist and drummer he was. He was a brilliant writer.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of his books of ghostwriter travel
Speaker 2: Travels on the Healing Road was a book that inspired
Speaker 2: me because he experienced two tragedies in his life where
Speaker 2: his wife and daughter transitioned within ten months with each other,
Speaker 2: and he the family that he knew was obliterated within
Speaker 2: ten months. So he took a fifty five thousand mile
Speaker 2: road trip commune with nature, documented the trip and to
Speaker 2: find himself and he did.
Speaker 1: That's another whole podcasting in and of itself. We'll get
Speaker 1: together and we'll do a freelance one on that. That's
Speaker 1: a heck of a notion to make a decision to
Speaker 1: go take care of yourself for a while.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of people that would would
Speaker 1: be awake enough, you know, to decide to be able
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: He made that decision a year and a day after
Speaker 2: his daughter transitioned, that he was just going to go
Speaker 2: on the road. He told he told gedty Lee and
Speaker 2: Alex Liefelin, consider me retired. And he went and basically
Speaker 2: to and in his words, to determine the type of
Speaker 2: person he wanted to be in the type of world
Speaker 2: he wanted to live in. And I always used that
Speaker 2: quote in my dat dying in Bereatman class and in
Speaker 2: talks that I do, because that speaks to what everybody
Speaker 2: needs to do when they're experiencing life altering challenge, whether
Speaker 2: it's due to laws, dud to death, or due to
Speaker 2: other types of challenge. We have to determine who am
Speaker 2: I now? What kind of a world do I want
Speaker 2: to live in? What kind of a world do I
Speaker 2: want to create for myself? Now that everything at the
Speaker 2: landscape of it is primarily altered?
Speaker 1: Well said, Well said, So please complete this sentence, Dave.
Speaker 1: When I grow up, I would like to.
Speaker 2: Be like Maury Schwartz of the Tuesdays with Maury Fame
Speaker 2: with Mitch Album. Maury Schwartz, as you know his he was.
Speaker 2: He was a professor at Brandeice University. He Mitch Album
Speaker 2: was one of his favorite students and Mitch and Maury
Speaker 2: was Mitch's favorite professor. Mitch took five courses with him.
Speaker 2: They had office hours on Tuesdays, so therefore when they
Speaker 2: reconnected again, it was Tuesdays with Maury.
Speaker 3: And Maury.
Speaker 2: Did something in the nineties that probably nobody would do,
Speaker 2: and then it was considered a visionary. He was dying
Speaker 2: and he wanted the world to know how this is
Speaker 2: how you die, and so he Ted Copple did a
Speaker 2: series of interviews with him and lessons on Living. Mitch
Speaker 2: Album wrote the book which became one of with Maury,
Speaker 2: which became one of the with the best selling memoir
Speaker 2: as far as I know.
Speaker 3: In history.
Speaker 2: And Maury Schwartz taught us not so much how to die,
Speaker 2: but taught us how to live while you're dying and
Speaker 2: how you can use your end of life chapter as
Speaker 2: another means of spiritual growth and introspection. And I thought
Speaker 2: it was I show that I have the book as
Speaker 2: part of required reading from my Dead, Dying and Bereathment class.
Speaker 2: I show the lessons on Living interviews and it's like
Speaker 2: his lessons thirty years later, Yeah, thirty years later or
Speaker 2: more than thirty years later, are still relevant now. And
Speaker 2: I've had students tell me that I wasn't even born
Speaker 2: when Maury Schwartz was around, but his teachings resonate with me.
Speaker 1: It's a measure of a classic, isn't it.
Speaker 3: YEA.
Speaker 2: I told my students that I could be as eighth
Speaker 2: the good of a teacher as he was. I'd be
Speaker 2: a happy man, you know. And that's and he was
Speaker 2: he was to meet a counselor he was another one,
Speaker 2: another person you would put on my list for dinner
Speaker 2: that I would love to have a conversation with.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, there's also an element of how good the
Speaker 1: student is too, and I suspect you were a damn
Speaker 1: good student of his.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still am, you know, I still he's still
Speaker 2: you know, every time I read his book in great
Speaker 2: papers that are.
Speaker 3: That are a part of the.
Speaker 2: One of the Britain assignments is based on the Tuesdays
Speaker 2: with Mary book, it's almost like I hear his voice
Speaker 2: in my head, you know, as I'm great and I
Speaker 2: consider him to be a partner in crime with me
Speaker 2: in terms of a and a partner of teaching the
Speaker 2: course because I take a lot of you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of his what he did to connect with students,
Speaker 2: and I try to imolate that as well too.
Speaker 1: Can you feel it?
Speaker 3: What do he neil?
Speaker 2: What do y?
Speaker 3: Yeah? What do he neil?
Speaker 1: They're all smiling at us right now.
Speaker 2: I think, I hope so, because well we remember their
Speaker 2: names and we talk about them, they're never forgotten.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So the last person unders your name,
Speaker 1: the last time yeap, beautiful. So it's a very interesting line.
Speaker 1: But what's the most important thing in life to you
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, I look at it now,
Speaker 2: I'm sixty nine years old. I feel good. But I
Speaker 2: also know that there are more winters behind me than
Speaker 2: they're in front of me. Yeah, and so, and I'm
Speaker 2: very very conscious of that. So it's the live each
Speaker 2: day to the fullest. It's to be the best father, grandfather,
Speaker 2: great grand father. I can be the best professor, I
Speaker 2: can be the best husband I can be. It's just
Speaker 2: to live life to the fullest, live it with compassion,
Speaker 2: live it with a giving heart, and be grateful for
Speaker 2: every day that I can sit up and take nourishment.
Speaker 2: So that's what what I I The most important thing
Speaker 2: in life to me right now is too because I
Speaker 2: wake up every day and I think, I thank the
Speaker 2: Lord for well, thank thanks for letting my body work,
Speaker 2: Thanks for giving me another day to do what I'm
Speaker 2: passionate about. Thanks for giving me the day yesterday to
Speaker 2: do what I was passionate about. Thanks for liking let
Speaker 2: me wake up today, because it isn't a given. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes I'll ask myself, why was I allowed
Speaker 2: to grow older, Bill, you know, especially when I've seen,
Speaker 2: you know, my daughter transition at a young age, and
Speaker 2: individuals who are younger than me are transitioning all the time,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, what's so special?
Speaker 3: But you know.
Speaker 2: It's, yeah, that's a question that's going to have to
Speaker 2: remain unanswered because I don't.
Speaker 3: Have to answer to that. I don't think anybody does.
Speaker 2: I might know once I get to that next dimension
Speaker 2: and there's a review of my life to say, this
Speaker 2: is why your life is orchestrated the way it was.
Speaker 2: This is why we gave you X number of years
Speaker 2: to do what you needed to do. This is why
Speaker 2: your daughter is only given eighteen years to do what
Speaker 2: she had to do, because in sacred law, eighteen years
Speaker 2: is enough for her soul to learn the lessons that
Speaker 2: had to learn, for her to teach through her presence,
Speaker 2: and now it was time for her because in the
Speaker 2: after life, we don't need a riskwatch. You know, we
Speaker 2: don't go on physical time. From what I've read about
Speaker 2: the afterlife, we don't do that. So eighteen years in
Speaker 2: sacred law is maybe is a long time, but in
Speaker 2: human law isn't. In human law, their lives are just beginning, so.
Speaker 1: The lovely thought. And sometimes you might find out that
Speaker 1: there is no why no.
Speaker 3: And you know, I tell people build.
Speaker 1: Some that says shit happens yep, well, and.
Speaker 3: The other the other day.
Speaker 2: I tell students, I tell my students anybody, we have
Speaker 2: to learn to live with some ambiguity. We're not going
Speaker 2: to you know, we have to learn to live with
Speaker 2: the unknown. Yeah, And we have to learn to live
Speaker 2: with the mystery. And I mean Native Americans talk about
Speaker 2: the great mystery. And I believe in one of Kent
Speaker 2: Neurburn's book, Wisdom of the Stones, Life Lessons from the
Speaker 2: Native Way in Neurburn is one of my favorite writers,
Speaker 2: and he's respected Native American culture because he writes authentically
Speaker 2: about the culture and he doesn't write it from the
Speaker 2: perspective of being, you know, being being a white man.
Speaker 2: He tries to reflect very very accurately the traditions and
Speaker 2: their works. And one of the things he talked in
Speaker 2: the Wisdom of the Stones there was a lacoat elder
Speaker 2: that he's said, you know, life isn't a puzzle to
Speaker 2: be solved, it's a mystery to be honored.
Speaker 3: And you know, and a.
Speaker 2: Lot of times it's difficult to understand that when you're
Speaker 2: going through the throes of and really of early grief.
Speaker 2: But as I look back on it, Yeah, it is
Speaker 2: a mystery to be on it because we're not going
Speaker 2: to have the answers to everything that we want, and
Speaker 2: we just have to embrace the mystery and accept that
Speaker 2: it is a mystery. We're not going to find out
Speaker 2: until it is our time, and it may not be
Speaker 2: our time on earth, and may be our time when
Speaker 2: we get to another dimension, when we find out exactly
Speaker 2: what are why we were allowed to to do what
Speaker 2: we did and live as long as we did, and
Speaker 2: we embraced we were embraced the path that we did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a Buddhist tenant also that says that the
Speaker 1: path to wisdom is where you stop learning and when
Speaker 1: you can sit and dwell in a question without needing
Speaker 1: to have an answer. Yep, you don't need wisdom any
Speaker 1: longer either. And once you dwell in the quiet, you
Speaker 1: silence your mind. The answers come to you anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's it's not like explain explaining what happened, it's
Speaker 1: like explaining what you do next.
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: And even if the answer is there's no answer. But
Speaker 2: Atlicia discovered that in the quiet of your own mind.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and when you can be with that, you're a
Speaker 1: powerful human being, you know.
Speaker 2: Ye, yeah, and that's the path to acceptance.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So here you are. You've got good Lord, probably
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of wise cliches and just all sorts
Speaker 1: of prescriptive things that you've worked with until they're no
Speaker 1: longer cliche. They're actually tools, you know, which is really remarkable.
Speaker 1: And you you traffic and live in the coin of
Speaker 1: the realm, being death drat, dying in bereavement and being
Speaker 1: kind of a sherpa for people who those are scary
Speaker 1: words for I can to ask you this one, with
Speaker 1: all due reverence and respect, what would you like to
Speaker 1: leave in the world after your life is done?
Speaker 3: Dave?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, one of the things I would like
Speaker 2: to be remembered to the extent that people will remember.
Speaker 3: And I you know, I don't want to be forgotten.
Speaker 2: I want to And I think that's a fear that
Speaker 2: every a lot of us have, is we're going to
Speaker 2: be forgotten once we're gone. And I'm not expecting people
Speaker 2: are going to have their names, you know, uttered from
Speaker 2: their lips, you know, twenty four to seven. But I
Speaker 2: wanted I would like to be remembered. I would like
Speaker 2: what I believe I've left that I've taught to my students,
Speaker 2: to my children. I want those lessons to go on
Speaker 2: long after I do that. I want those lessons that
Speaker 2: continue to live in and be passed on to others,
Speaker 2: because if those lessons are passed on, we will live
Speaker 2: in in the hearts of others. And that's that's really
Speaker 2: what I want. I would I would like to have
Speaker 2: happened in the world, is just to leave that type
Speaker 2: of you know that Hey, you know, Day taught me
Speaker 2: a couple of things, and I think I can I
Speaker 2: can use that moving forward and I sent onto something else.
Speaker 2: And if that happens wherever I am, I'll be I'll
Speaker 2: be satisfied with that. That was a life well lived
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds to me I would label that as like,
Speaker 1: you know, legacy technology for living, uh, you know, for
Speaker 1: here's the tools, ladies and gentlemen, A minute to learn,
Speaker 1: a lifetime to master, you know, kind of like chess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I used to play chess, then I got out of
Speaker 2: the halb. Now if you asked me how to play chess. Now,
Speaker 2: that's like not even in my remote memory bank my
Speaker 2: hippo campus. I couldn't go far enough my hippa campus
Speaker 2: to bowl that out. So that is long.
Speaker 3: That's long out of short term and long term memory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually love it. I think the whole notion
Speaker 1: of having the distinctions that you do at the ripe
Speaker 1: old age or young age of sixty nine, however you
Speaker 1: regard it, it's it's kind of a healthy way to
Speaker 1: sit and try to make sense of what's going on.
Speaker 1: You know, do do you go to the baker much?
Speaker 3: Do I go to the baker?
Speaker 2: Yeah, as far as I have a couple of really
Speaker 2: good places locally, then I'll go for good cookies and muffins.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. When I was growing up, we
Speaker 1: had a baker in our community, and that woman was fantastic.
Speaker 1: Every time we went to go see here, if we
Speaker 1: bought twelve of something, we always got a thirteenth one
Speaker 1: for you, kind of like the old Chinese restaurants, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: with four you get egg roll, you know, or there's
Speaker 1: some free fried rice in there or something like that.
Speaker 1: But here's your Baker's question, which is a little off
Speaker 1: track to everything that we've been talking about so far.
Speaker 1: But what do you say is the thing that most
Speaker 1: people misunderstand about you?
Speaker 2: Well, you know the old saying, don't mistake my kindness
Speaker 2: for weakness. Yeah, I think a lot of people don't
Speaker 2: understand that I may know more about a situation that
Speaker 2: I'm letting out about because I try to observe, and
Speaker 2: I very much I will quietly and not do it
Speaker 2: with any fuss. If I will quietly back away from
Speaker 2: individuals who no longer value me or organizations who no
Speaker 2: longer value me, and I'll do that, and I'll come
Speaker 2: up with a very legitimate reason in writing for that
Speaker 2: to happen. But as I've learned, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: in the work we're working world, the reasons that people
Speaker 2: state that they're doing stuff on paper isn't always the
Speaker 2: reasons that they're doing it. It's kind of like more
Speaker 2: like a cover story. So I may not say a lot,
Speaker 2: but I pride myself, and I'm not saying this with
Speaker 2: any arrogance. I just pride myself on knowing what's going
Speaker 2: on and maybe not revealing that I do until the
Speaker 2: time is right. A lot of people think, well, Dave
Speaker 2: isn't saying much, so he's probably in agreement, or he
Speaker 2: probably isn't aware of the full the full scope of
Speaker 2: the issue. But I'm aware of it. I'll just choose
Speaker 2: to not say anything about it because to say it
Speaker 2: in that setting may not be the right place to
Speaker 2: do that. So I may hold that, sit with it
Speaker 2: and give my opinion in a way or my observation
Speaker 2: in a way that I think it's going to be
Speaker 2: more heard and it's going to allow me to continue
Speaker 2: to stay invisible.
Speaker 1: Sure, yep, all things in their own time, right, Yep.
Speaker 2: I mean I'd like to draw attention to the things
Speaker 2: that I do, but I don't like to draw and
Speaker 2: do attention to myself.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm with you. Produce a result and let people
Speaker 1: appreciate the result, and whether they give you credit for
Speaker 1: it or not, it kind of doesn't matter, does it.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't because I think the other thing is
Speaker 2: my supervisor. I'd mentioned before who best supervisor and mentor
Speaker 2: I ever had in a workplace. He taught me, he said,
Speaker 2: never take credit for other people's accomplishments. Always give credit
Speaker 2: where credits due. So when I became the middle management
Speaker 2: middle manager supervisor, middle management supervisor, and the director come
Speaker 2: up and say, you know, you really did a good
Speaker 2: job with us so well, it wasn't me that did it.
Speaker 2: It was you need to give the credit to this person,
Speaker 2: to the staff person who did it. She came up
Speaker 2: with the constants, she came up with the design, and
Speaker 2: she did the intervention. I said, I just signed off
Speaker 2: on it. I said, you need to give her credit
Speaker 2: where credits to because she made both of us look
Speaker 2: good doing that.
Speaker 1: You can credit me for being brilliant for hiring her,
Speaker 1: and exactly, I'm trying not to get in her way.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's one of the things that I
Speaker 2: think is kind of a misguided assumption from leaders is
Speaker 2: that good people can be a threat to a leader.
Speaker 2: And said, that's further from the truth. If you think
Speaker 2: good people are a threat to you, then you're insecure
Speaker 2: as a leader or you're not really a great leader
Speaker 2: at all. The best leaders I know are the ones
Speaker 2: that have people around them. They put people around them
Speaker 2: want are better than them. They have more skills than
Speaker 2: they can complement their deficiencies. They give them a task,
Speaker 2: They're very direct about what happens what they need happen,
Speaker 2: and they just let people do their jobs and they're
Speaker 2: a resource. That's what vice supervisor is. Who is again
Speaker 2: the next ex and Navy Seale commander and CSW. He
Speaker 2: knew how to build terms teams, you know, how to
Speaker 2: put people in. Everybody had a role, everybody knew what
Speaker 2: their job was.
Speaker 3: We just had to.
Speaker 2: Pull together, pull our strengths together for the good of
Speaker 2: the team. That's what he taught us. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: what I And don't take credit for something you didn't do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, there's so many things that we're talking about
Speaker 1: that I actually think we could talk for hours and
Speaker 1: hours and hours on any given subject that we've we've
Speaker 1: covered today. So absolutely, Yeah. I just have one kind
Speaker 1: of a question to sort of tie this all together.
Speaker 1: Are there any like last thoughts that you've got or
Speaker 1: maybe something that you thought of after you were speaking
Speaker 1: in a particular area you just want to leave with
Speaker 1: people to consider or as you know, kind of like
Speaker 1: thought a thought gift.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes people underestimate the impact that they have
Speaker 2: on others. And to a tell individual, don't underestimate the
Speaker 2: impact that you have on anybody in your life. It
Speaker 2: may be as simple as opening up a door for
Speaker 2: somebody who's having a bad day or is thinking of
Speaker 2: completing suicide. It may be just doing something nice for somebody.
Speaker 2: It'll have to be major. But understand that everything that
Speaker 2: you do has an impact somewhere, and you may never
Speaker 2: know what that impact is. But as long as you
Speaker 2: are leading with love, genuineness, and integrity and compassion, you're
Speaker 2: going to have an impact on somebody. And trust that
Speaker 2: when you put what you put out is gonna multiply.
Speaker 2: And if you put out love and compassion to somebody else,
Speaker 2: or to show love and compassion and as to another
Speaker 2: person down the line, and that's what's going to make
Speaker 2: the world a more peaceful, inclusive, and tolerant place if
Speaker 2: we all do that, one person at a time.
Speaker 1: Great message. I appreciate it, Dave. Do you have any
Speaker 1: questions of me?
Speaker 2: No, I think this is a This is a whole
Speaker 2: lot of fun. I had a great time to talk
Speaker 2: with me that this is different from podcasts that I'm
Speaker 2: used to doing. You know, obviously you know with with
Speaker 2: just in terms of my background and my you know,
Speaker 2: my history with grief and loss and doing work with
Speaker 2: in that area. But this has been great because these
Speaker 2: are these are great questions, and this gave me an
Speaker 2: opportunity to also talk about things that I might not
Speaker 2: have considered otherwise, but also are a big part of
Speaker 2: who I am I am and much of which strives
Speaker 2: the service work that I do now. So thanks for that.
Speaker 1: You're entirely welcome. It is my privilege and pleasure. I
Speaker 1: appreciate having you on today. Thank you for that. And
Speaker 1: I think before we sign off, I just want to,
Speaker 1: uh remind everyone that we're not in this, uh, we're
Speaker 1: not in this in this journey alone. There are people
Speaker 1: in your life that you should reach out to, uh
Speaker 1: text message, telephone call, maybe an email or something. Just
Speaker 1: let them know that your life works because you're they're here,
Speaker 1: and if they ever need you, they should always call
Speaker 1: you before doing anything that's life changing because you'll be
Speaker 1: there for them. With that said, Dave, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: It was a pleasure having you as a guest on
Speaker 1: my porch. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Bill is great. Share on a porch with you next time.
Speaker 2: We got to do an early morning once so we
Speaker 2: can both have coffee on the porch.
Speaker 1: We do pretty well with our coffee don't we I do.
Speaker 2: That's something that is a staple. That's one of my
Speaker 2: only vices I think I have is coffee.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I have other vices. But I
Speaker 1: really love my coffee.
Speaker 3: There's me, me too, me too.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, God bless you man and and and
Speaker 1: and be well.
Speaker 3: Thank you Bill, you too.
Speaker 1: Bye.
Speaker 3: For now.
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