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<v Speaker 1>Get ready for.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty second day of August twenty twenty four. Allegedly, according

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<v Speaker 2>to that thing we call a calendar, I have not

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<v Speaker 2>been live in a while. The reason is, first, I

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<v Speaker 2>was sick, and I got a long story to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you about the succession of events that took place that

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<v Speaker 2>kept me off air has now kept me from producing podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to miss an o'kelli in the Greek. All

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of mess going on here, and I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>all about it, but not until I get to finally

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who I've been trying to get on the show

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of weeks. Between me being down and

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<v Speaker 2>him being out of town, we couldn't get it done.

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<v Speaker 2>But I gotta tell you, I'm always interested to hear

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<v Speaker 2>what Mike Swanson has to say. Okay, and he's the

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<v Speaker 2>author of two great books that I highly recommend, but

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<v Speaker 2>many other books. He's authored, Why the Vietnam War, First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, you hear ads for that on this show

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<v Speaker 2>and The War State, which I've recommended now for over

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<v Speaker 2>a decade to people as required reading if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to understand modern contemporary American history, and of course the

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<v Speaker 2>post Cold War era if you want to understand it

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<v Speaker 2>all got to include the war state, which is that

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<v Speaker 2>red book you see on the sidebar of my website. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike also has a newsletter or all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you can explain to people how they can still

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<v Speaker 2>sign up for that if they want, because you got

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<v Speaker 2>the substack right, I'm not sure if you're doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>you can explain it, Mike. But we also have some

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<v Speaker 2>other stuff coming up. An article you wrote and a

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<v Speaker 2>little discussion about the upcoming conference in Dallas, Texas, which

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be guess when November twenty second to the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>fourth of this year, you know, exactly, lining up perfectly

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<v Speaker 2>with the historical events surrounding the assassination of the thirty

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<v Speaker 2>fifth president. Coincidentally, that's what the conference is about. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>making jokes, so JFK Lancer November in Dallas. Michael Swatson

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<v Speaker 2>will be a presenter there. Anyway, another fat of me, Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't heard from you in a while. How are you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm doing great.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I really am looking forward to that conference, and

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<v Speaker 3>as you mentioned, I've been traveling quite a bit the

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<v Speaker 3>past couple weeks now. We'll be doing that in September

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm taking time right now to catch up on

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of reading.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna mention if we get to it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned what I'm reading at the moment because it

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<v Speaker 3>is JFK related. But in October, I'm gonna put together

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<v Speaker 3>a presentation. You know that I'll be presenting at the

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<v Speaker 3>November conference, and people should go to it, and then

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<v Speaker 3>they not only can get the presentation, but they can

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<v Speaker 3>meet us in person. You too, You're gonna be there

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<v Speaker 3>and some of your other people who've been guests on

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<v Speaker 3>the show or researchers people know about. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>a good event. But what I'm gonna do is I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to in October put together a presentation full of

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<v Speaker 3>documents no one's used in books, information that isn't in

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<v Speaker 3>books yet either that one day I'll put into a book,

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<v Speaker 3>but that could be published now for a couple years,

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<v Speaker 3>you know the way it takes time to write these things.

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<v Speaker 3>But regardless, it's gonna be about whether the assassination was

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<v Speaker 3>about trying to keep get the Vietnam war going or

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<v Speaker 3>to start a war in Cuba. And again it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be I'm going to have documents and two people that go,

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<v Speaker 3>they can look up the documents for themselves, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>it'd be a lot of new information frankly, that I

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<v Speaker 3>don't see anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not really anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you've done this before again, the two books that

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<v Speaker 2>I recommend Why the Vietnam War features information that people

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<v Speaker 2>have not put out before. You know, in the war

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<v Speaker 2>state at the time you released it, I believe had

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<v Speaker 2>information in it that had not been seen by others.

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<v Speaker 2>You do that, and your skills are great in that

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<v Speaker 2>you find stuff that other people maybe have missed or

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<v Speaker 2>have not included in their arguments before about particular things

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<v Speaker 2>regarding this situation, you know, outside of Dealey Plaza and

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<v Speaker 2>in Lee rby Oswald and forensics and all that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>how about the motivation? How about the biggest question, why

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<v Speaker 2>this happened? What was the purpose of it? If indeed

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<v Speaker 2>it is not just a lone nut who just one

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<v Speaker 2>day woke up and said, let me just go do this,

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<v Speaker 2>which is apparently the big contention here. You know, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have much time to planet or anything, if you

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<v Speaker 2>believe the official stories. But the deal is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how about the motive? Then, why the Vietnam War? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you're almost asking that question here in the JFK case, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>was the Vietnam War and the fact that it was

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<v Speaker 2>definitely eagerly pursued by Lyndon Johnson after Kennedy's death, Is

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<v Speaker 2>that part of the motive? This is something that I've

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<v Speaker 2>contended since I don't know, probably for the past twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five years. Is the key element to the case is

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<v Speaker 2>that that is one of the biggest things that the perpetrators,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, were interested in, is making sure that

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<v Speaker 2>the Vietnam War would become well, not quite what it became,

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<v Speaker 2>but would be even a thing I think it would

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<v Speaker 2>have ended had Kennedy remained in office. I'm one of

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<v Speaker 2>those guys, and I solidly believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not asking you to argue that today, Mike, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just saying that that, to me is one of those

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<v Speaker 2>key elm woman's here about the motive, about the why,

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<v Speaker 2>about what would cause you know, people that should have

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<v Speaker 2>been on the side of protecting the president, the people,

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<v Speaker 2>the elected officials, the will of the people even should

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<v Speaker 2>have been respected by anybody who was involved here if

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<v Speaker 2>there were so sort of insiders involved. Right, So this

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<v Speaker 2>is a key issue, and I can't wait to hear

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<v Speaker 2>about that. And as you said, if people come to

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<v Speaker 2>the conference, they'll be able to see us in person.

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<v Speaker 2>We can hang out a little bit even, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on who you are. I'm not speaking for Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll hang out with people if you come by.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's great to see brand new researchers. There's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be some young people there as well, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the old you know, some recurring names, maybe even some

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<v Speaker 2>surprises that have not been announced by the way, going

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<v Speaker 2>to be added to the bill. And it's a great

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<v Speaker 2>time to learn, to interact, to enjoy and get the

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<v Speaker 2>new looks at books and all that stuff. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>in Mike's case, we're looking at something that isn't even

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<v Speaker 2>a book yet but might be one in the future,

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<v Speaker 2>So this will be great anyway. I'm looking forward to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also want to get to this article that

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<v Speaker 2>you published, and why is that relevant. Well, tell me

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about this article and we'll go back

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<v Speaker 2>to the Kennedy thing in a few minutes. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't mind kind of give people the bullet points

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<v Speaker 2>on this article I have in front of us, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'll include the link in the chat at ochelly dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>And also I'll include it with the show notes, but

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<v Speaker 2>would you mind telling us a little bit about it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the title of it in it's own Wall Street window.

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<v Speaker 3>And yes, how people can get my newsletter just if

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<v Speaker 3>they tape in Wall Street window, It'll take them to

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<v Speaker 3>a place to opt in. And I've got it set

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<v Speaker 3>up now where people basically have to opt in and subscribe.

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<v Speaker 1>To see the future articles.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, this one is titled Google study reveals how

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<v Speaker 3>social media mimetic engineering has altered the human brain for

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<v Speaker 3>the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>Now quite a mouthful.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, the phrase mimetic engineering, that's something I never

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<v Speaker 3>heard of before until maybe six months ago, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>come up in a couple I subscribe to the Bookings

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<v Speaker 3>Institute newsletter, which is a defensive think tank, and they've

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<v Speaker 3>done multiple articles using this phrase. And basically what it

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<v Speaker 3>means is using social media memes as propaganda to manipulate

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<v Speaker 3>people into, you know, figuring one thing or the other.

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<v Speaker 3>And frankly, social media is you know, the Facebook feed,

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<v Speaker 3>the Twitter feed and so forth. That's what most of

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<v Speaker 3>the content it really is. It's if it's simply advertisements,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, half the stuff or A good portion of

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<v Speaker 3>it is simply advertising, using memes to to make you

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<v Speaker 3>click or buy or whatever. In politics, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>Twitter tweet is a meme. Memes are now something that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we're all used to. But another story came out.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a Routers story a couple of months ago

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<v Speaker 3>that the Pentagon had set up a unit that is

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<v Speaker 3>doing this UH propaganda MI medic engineering campaigns, not in

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<v Speaker 1>In the article talked about how.

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<v Speaker 3>They did one in the Philippines a couple of years

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<v Speaker 3>ago during the COVID outbreak that was directed against China.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I stumbled upon a month ago was a

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<v Speaker 3>Google study about how so called it Generation Z and

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<v Speaker 3>that's people born after nineteen ninety five, so they're basically

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<v Speaker 3>thirty or under, and how they're consume news on the Internet,

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<v Speaker 3>and how it's actually different, different than what they expected

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<v Speaker 3>to see. Now, these people are the first, this is

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<v Speaker 3>the first generation to come alive when the Internet, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there. They're born online.

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<v Speaker 2>If they were Okay, so, if you're born in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five, the internet existed, it didn't exist in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the forman exists today, but in nineteen ninety five, you're

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<v Speaker 2>born into that world. If you're a millennial or Generation Z,

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<v Speaker 2>however they define when this begins, But if you start

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<v Speaker 2>at nineteen ninety five or whatever, it works. Right there

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<v Speaker 2>you go. The Internet was out there in public in

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five. It really was out there in the early nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>but I got into it in the midnight. The key.

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<v Speaker 3>The key is, I think they were basically ten years

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<v Speaker 3>old in the two thousands, right, So in two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and five, they'd be about ten years old. They were,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the nine to eleven happened when they were chill,

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<v Speaker 2>Is a very early childhood memory.

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<v Speaker 1>See.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I've talked to you about this a lot

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<v Speaker 2>over the years. Honestly, if you think back to the

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<v Speaker 2>conversations we've had, I told you about Look, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>these kids grew up in a reality. I was calling

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<v Speaker 2>them the Homeland Generation for a while because I said,

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<v Speaker 2>they grew up in a reality where the constant surveillance,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you go to a store, or you're on the

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<v Speaker 2>street or anything else, is completely normal. Cameras are everywhere, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I talked about this with social media. I've often

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<v Speaker 2>referred to it as anti social media. This is almost

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<v Speaker 2>like our conversations that you and I have been having

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<v Speaker 2>over the past ten years or jeez, yeah, ten years

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<v Speaker 2>coming into you know, into the visual spectrum of everybody

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<v Speaker 2>now where it's like the stuff that we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about is exactly this now. I've often argued that it

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<v Speaker 2>was about the compartmentalization, how people become isolated, and nobody

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<v Speaker 2>talked about that until COVID hit, But I think there

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<v Speaker 2>was a psychological isolation already occurring, you know. And again

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<v Speaker 2>this is not me reading the Brooking studies or any

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<v Speaker 2>of this stuff that you did. This is just my observation.

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<v Speaker 2>This did. And if you change the circumstances by which

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<v Speaker 2>somebody lives their environment in a you know, their ecosystem completely,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly you're going to change the way their brain works.

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<v Speaker 2>We're adaptive creatures, right, We adapt to our environment. We

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<v Speaker 2>So social media existed right away for these ten year

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<v Speaker 2>sort of as it exists today, began right there, even

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<v Speaker 2>though it had its roots earlier, I know. But all

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<v Speaker 2>of this is relevant in that this is the way

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<v Speaker 2>that people are connect or are collecting their views of

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<v Speaker 2>the world. And that's what these studies are about, is now,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the results, right after all this time, and what

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<v Speaker 2>have you found in scanning through these different things? What

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<v Speaker 2>is the overall Is there an overall consensus? Is there

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<v Speaker 2>a particular sort of zeitgeist that we can draw from

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<v Speaker 2>how that's changed people, you know, in the real world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So this study is very new.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a Google study and it's just on the people

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<v Speaker 3>is how they're looking at news on the internet in

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<v Speaker 3>their news feeds. And one thing they dispel is.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the past couple of years, you know, this idea

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<v Speaker 3>lot of stuff on the internet isn't real. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's bullshit or excuse me, it's it's it's it's false information,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's you know, flooded with this false information, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's been kind of a fear that younger people they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't grow up in newspapers, so they're flooded with false information,

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<v Speaker 3>and therefore their news illiterate, so to speak, and they

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<v Speaker 3>and what isn't real. And frankly, people you know that

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<v Speaker 3>in all the time, like now we have an election,

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<v Speaker 3>you can see on Facebook or whatever you're looking at.

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<v Speaker 3>People who are Democrats will think the Republicans fall for

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<v Speaker 3>fake news and vice versa. Well, what they found the

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<v Speaker 3>Google study by examining this these younger Peopleeole dispelled that

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<v Speaker 3>they found that by questioning them about the things that

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<v Speaker 3>and what isn't that they didn't really have any problem

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<v Speaker 1>What the study found was something.

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<v Speaker 3>Surprising, and that is that it isn't so much that

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<v Speaker 3>that they don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>They share stuff without care if it's real or not.

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<v Speaker 3>And the way older people would look at stuff is

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<v Speaker 3>that issue is important to them. They will say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a fake story. Some people at times will

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<v Speaker 3>dig a little deeper to try to disprove something and

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<v Speaker 3>argue with people, whereas the younger people don't even.

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<v Speaker 1>Bother to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Instead they do is the first thing they look at.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm just use Facebook as an example, Uh, are

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<v Speaker 3>the comments made about a story? And then they see, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>do the people agree with me? If they don't, then

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<v Speaker 3>they then they pass judgment on them, or they'll say,

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<v Speaker 3>well maybe I'm wrong, and then only then well they

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<v Speaker 3>dig a little deeper, but usually they just want to

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<v Speaker 3>scroll the comments and say and and see what side

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<v Speaker 3>of the comment, you know, what's the majority opinion appeared

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<v Speaker 3>to be it doesn't match their opinion, uh, and then

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<v Speaker 3>pass a judgment. That's mostly usually what they're doing. And

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<v Speaker 3>that is some sort of form of stimulation and an excitement.

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<v Speaker 1>Or whatever. I don't know if it's exciting the past time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I know. What you're getting at is that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just like when we looked at the study

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<v Speaker 2>of the like button and how that was created purposely,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not as a way to go, look, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a way of expressing yourself. Oh no, this was

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<v Speaker 2>a way of doing something entirely different. We looked at

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<v Speaker 2>that a couple of years ago, and fact is this?

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<v Speaker 2>It actually again supports stuff I've been saying, sentimentality above substance. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So the younger group finds that they want to match

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<v Speaker 2>with senses sentimentality. Does this work with the stuff I

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<v Speaker 2>already think?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, it's not about am I going to get new facts?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there some new information that doesn't matter? Does it

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<v Speaker 2>agree with the direction I'm going in already? And if

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't, let me see why and see what other

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<v Speaker 2>people's reactions and impressions are. Not what the facts are,

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<v Speaker 2>but let me see how other people are reacting. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'll switch sides if I see something that convinces me

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<v Speaker 2>in others opinions. So it's weird it's this.

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<v Speaker 1>If not, you could dismiss those others as idiots or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, you know, But but again, it's about the sentiment.

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<v Speaker 2>If it goes. If the sentiment goes the right way,

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<v Speaker 2>then great, I support it, doesn't matter if it's real,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter anything else. I support it if the

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<v Speaker 2>sentimentality works for me. If it doesn't, then I can

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<v Speaker 2>attack it or I can ignore it because it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>go with me. See, that's the thing I was talking

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<v Speaker 2>about with even podcasts. They they don't want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>new information. They want you to echo back the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>they already you know, believe. They want you to reinforce.

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<v Speaker 2>They're looking for, you know, acknowledgment. They're looking for what

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<v Speaker 2>do you call that? You know what I mean? When

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<v Speaker 2>somebody says, no, you know what you're you're right, you're correct,

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<v Speaker 2>they give you, you know, approval, right, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>call that? It's it's like knowledge, but it's not acknowledgment.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm talking about here.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't think of that. I know what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. What I'm getting at, though, is what approval?

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<v Speaker 1>Approval?

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<v Speaker 2>It is approval, but it's something else. It's like, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be you know, vindicated. Verified there's another

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<v Speaker 2>word still. But it's not about any It's not about

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<v Speaker 2>can I learn something new? Is there a fact that

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<v Speaker 2>something actually is? Uh, it's not about the facts. It's

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<v Speaker 2>about God. I'm trying to think of what a validation

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<v Speaker 2>that's the word I'm looking for. They want validation. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you make their pre existing, their prejudice, really, if

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<v Speaker 2>you make their prejudice. Stand up and you validate their prejudice.

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<v Speaker 2>Winner doesn't matter what you said, doesn't matter. If there's

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna agree with it, even if it doesn't make sense,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. It validates their opinion, It validates their feeling

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<v Speaker 2>about the way things are. You know, it's sort of like.

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<v Speaker 1>With it's being in a herd and feeling comfort in.

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<v Speaker 2>That it's herd mentality. But it's even worse than that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sort of like the economy. Remember we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>the economy many times, and how many times have we

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<v Speaker 2>had to say that, You know what, here's the thing

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<v Speaker 2>they tell you something like, generally speaking, people feel that

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<v Speaker 2>the economy is going bad. Therefore they insist the economy

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<v Speaker 2>is going bad even if the numbers don't support that,

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<v Speaker 2>and vice versa. Things are going bad, but they believe

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<v Speaker 2>things are going in the right direction. Right. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like everybody has joined a presidential campaign where it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it doesn't matter what the numbers say. We're telling

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<v Speaker 2>you that we feel this way, that's the way it is,

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<v Speaker 2>and literally that will drive economies in certain directions, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you'll see the market react to that, where it's

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<v Speaker 2>not that anything's wrong yet, but people think that it's

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<v Speaker 2>going wrong or it's gonna go wrong, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, or vice versa. It's like, well, I think

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<v Speaker 2>everything was going great, so therefore it was and it

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<v Speaker 2>does change things in the real world, even though the

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<v Speaker 2>numbers don't change. Like it's hysterical. It's like, my business

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<v Speaker 2>is doing bad, but your business isn't, you know, failing.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not losing money yet, but it's doing bad because

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<v Speaker 2>they have that attitude. They insist that that's the way

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<v Speaker 2>it is. This sounds confusing to somebody who uses logic

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<v Speaker 2>and wants support, you know, in facts and figures and

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<v Speaker 2>real hard evidence, right, But it's just sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>people have decided in this group their sentimentality is the

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<v Speaker 2>important thing and that's all there is to it. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you step away and you go to Generation

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<v Speaker 2>X or the baby boomers or whatever, we're sitting here

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<v Speaker 2>with a different mentality because our minds are not trained

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<v Speaker 2>the same way with all this, you know, with all

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<v Speaker 2>the added comments on top of it, right after the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is out there. It's not like you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>wait two weeks for a letter to the editor to

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<v Speaker 2>show up for a newspaper, right, you know, proclaiming that

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<v Speaker 2>a story is BS or whatever. But they're used to

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<v Speaker 2>the instant gratification of people pushing back against the news article,

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<v Speaker 2>a post, an ad, even right right away. There's reactions

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<v Speaker 2>that we can observe. So this changed the way people

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<v Speaker 2>operate in gathering information entirely. Does any of this make sense, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>or do I sound like I'm talking.

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<v Speaker 1>About No, That's exactly what I'm trying to argue.

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<v Speaker 3>However, I suspect that, yes, that this study is focused

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<v Speaker 3>on this generation Z right, and it's not studying other people.

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<v Speaker 3>And I would suspect that this is now becoming widespread,

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<v Speaker 3>that this has happened to them first, because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what they were born into, this system, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's now you know, become the dominant way most people

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<v Speaker 3>get news too. Very few people are subscribing to newspapers,

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<v Speaker 3>news sites, and news sites themselves are you know, shrinking

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of traffic, and more and more people are

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<v Speaker 3>getting their news, local, national, from social media feeds. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I know that's a fact or apps. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>the news break app or whatever, you know, different things

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<v Speaker 3>like that, But you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what is true.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think most people are getting their news this

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<v Speaker 3>way already. I think these younger people are just the

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<v Speaker 3>vanguard of these changes. In fact, I was getting not

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<v Speaker 3>going to do it, but for a few years I

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<v Speaker 3>was studying the local news industry and I subscribe to

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<v Speaker 3>a media publication just for the news industry. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they do these studies, you know, how do we survive

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<v Speaker 3>or what can we do?

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>But an argument that this news industry publication is making

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<v Speaker 3>be the future. If you're gonna want a viable news organization,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to have to do these short form videos

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<v Speaker 3>and integrate that to attract people like they've got a way.

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<v Speaker 1>If you organize.

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<v Speaker 3>If you look at how these people are finding information,

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<v Speaker 3>younger people, they're going to TikTok, YouTube and then if

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<v Speaker 3>they really want to dig deep into something. They'll follow

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<v Speaker 3>they have books or recommend them to other sources, then

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<v Speaker 3>they'll go down deeper, you know, say on a topic.

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<v Speaker 3>it's not that long, but I thought about this phrase

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<v Speaker 3>the medium is the message and that, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>looked up, you know, that's a phrase I've heard of before.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I looked up where it came from and

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<v Speaker 3>so forth, and it dates back to nineteen sixty four

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<v Speaker 3>and it was mainly being applied.

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<v Speaker 1>It was being applied to television.

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<v Speaker 3>And the idea behind the phrase is that every media technology,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's printing presses which creates newspapers, books, speech, have

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<v Speaker 3>a form to them which impacts the way people view

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<v Speaker 3>the world in their thicking processes, which is what we

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<v Speaker 3>just applied to social.

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<v Speaker 1>Media now.

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<v Speaker 3>In what I'm put in the article as well, if

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<v Speaker 3>the medium is the message when it comes to memes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's us for them, you know, and can and conforming

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<v Speaker 3>being used to group thinking. And I believe this is

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<v Speaker 3>really compatible with authoritarian structures of society.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, sure it is, you know, it is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Look, this causes the escalation of the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>control people because everything is done in a shorter, more convenient,

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<v Speaker 2>more punchy with less information attached to it. And just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, look, if all you have to do is

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<v Speaker 2>push sentiment and you only need a sentence or two,

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<v Speaker 2>that's great. You don't have to write a whole script.

444
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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to write a book to propagandize people.

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<v Speaker 2>None of that, right, and is the media of the

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<v Speaker 2>message in a way, it is as the technology has

447
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<v Speaker 2>evolved and you're able to reach more people with shorter experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>shorter forms of information, of shorter forms to get your

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<v Speaker 2>messages across. Right, You don't need to write a giant

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<v Speaker 2>book anymore to get a point across. You don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the trouble of getting a broadcast together,

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<v Speaker 2>creating a radio broadcast, right, that's nice and clear and

453
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<v Speaker 2>the signals are done, or TV or okay, maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>should put it out on videotapes and make a publication

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<v Speaker 2>and go through the trouble of distributing that. All of

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<v Speaker 2>these things as it's become you know, much faster and

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<v Speaker 2>much more compact over time, means that yes, indeed, the

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<v Speaker 2>way people are receiving the messages has been altered. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you a funny thing is I just popped open

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<v Speaker 2>X real fast while I'm talking to here, thinking to

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<v Speaker 2>myself because X is behind the time. See, Facebook is

462
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<v Speaker 2>more for older people at this point. Mike, okay, sure.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Like a few years ago, it was like, oh, you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're like a grandpa if you're watching TV. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you actually watched TV. Remember that became very trendy. Though

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<v Speaker 2>I don't watch television anymore. You know, nobody watches TV. Uh,

467
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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of passe, it's outdated. That's for older people, right.

468
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<v Speaker 2>And while people were watching TV, it was like nobody

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<v Speaker 2>reads the newspapers anymore. So on and so forth. Always

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<v Speaker 2>as people, as new technologies emerge, the younger people grab

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<v Speaker 2>up the new technology and that becomes their new way

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<v Speaker 2>of receiving information. Lagging behind them is the previous generation.

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<v Speaker 2>We are generation X, right, and we're before these, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>generation Z and obviously in the alphabet right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the idea was that our brains were getting eaten up.

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<v Speaker 2>The way that we were receiving information are a spans

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<v Speaker 2>were being taken away, not by the Internet but by television. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>TV broke things down into quick news segments. TV broke

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<v Speaker 2>things down into you know, simple presentations in an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>They would try and tell you about something that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you would have had to take in a class for

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<v Speaker 2>six months to learn about, uh, if you were looking

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<v Speaker 2>at educational stuff. Plus there was the junk food of

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<v Speaker 2>it too, you know, the junk food with a break.

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<v Speaker 1>TV was called a vast wasteland.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a vast wasteland, an intellectual wasteland because it was

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<v Speaker 2>destroying us, right. It was like, TV is gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>you stupid. I mean you heard these things growing up,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I tell you, I mean, I didn't put this

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<v Speaker 3>in there, but there's yeah i Q there's IQ test Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That I didn't. I've just read this couple of days ago.

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<v Speaker 3>The average IQ a person went up two points from

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen forty five to about fifteen years ago, and it

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<v Speaker 3>peaked and it's now gone down two.

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<v Speaker 1>Points across the entire world.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So I guess the TV didn't dumb people down,

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<v Speaker 3>but the social media has.

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<v Speaker 2>The Internet has definitely because Luke, what is but notice

500
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<v Speaker 2>the echo here? Because what has happened? Your attention span

501
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<v Speaker 2>has dropped off even more now with the internet, right,

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00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.599
<v Speaker 2>we started out and gigantic podcasts used to get done.

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<v Speaker 2>At one point there was no podcasts, but then there

504
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<v Speaker 2>were podcasts, right, and podcasts would be hours and hours long.

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<v Speaker 2>Nowadays people release podcasts that are real short. There are

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<v Speaker 2>some people out there making whole podcasts that are ten

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<v Speaker 2>minutes long when they do them right, and that's their

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing. They have ten and fifteen minute long presentations

509
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<v Speaker 2>boom bom boom bom boom, and they're meant to be

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<v Speaker 2>concise and entertaining and all that stuff. But no longer

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<v Speaker 2>do you have the half hour or one hour TV

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<v Speaker 2>show or whatever, or the two hour podcast or the

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<v Speaker 2>four hour radio show. Talk shows used to be four

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<v Speaker 2>hours long on the radio. If anybody still listens to

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<v Speaker 2>talk radio, even though everything's been shortened. I've even shortened

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<v Speaker 2>my own show in the past two years. But everybody

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<v Speaker 2>has shortened their stuff. Why because nobody's got the attention

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<v Speaker 2>span for it. I think, finally, yeah, this may have

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<v Speaker 2>succeeded in really truly creating a global siphoning away of

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence because no longer is there a texture. There's not

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of information in the information age, right, But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>when I popped open X. I found it ironic because

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<v Speaker 2>as we're talking, Elon Musk decides to do one of

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<v Speaker 2>these you know, black graphics with white lettering, which is

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<v Speaker 2>meant to be very it's very carefully constructed psychologically. When

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<v Speaker 2>you take a bloak and you put white lettering on it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>look it up. You know, I'm not asking you to, Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying for the listener, look it up. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>specific reasoning behind doing this. But he created a meme.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a guy who owns Twitter, right, X whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's branding everything X. I told people about that,

532
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:19.840
<v Speaker 2>and they're just starting to see it this week too,

533
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:22.239
<v Speaker 2>where it's like I told you everything's going to be X.

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00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:26.119
<v Speaker 2>But anyway that's happening. He put out one of these

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<v Speaker 2>black memes with just white lettering, and what does it say?

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<v Speaker 2>Propaganda isn't just about creating fake news, period, It's also

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<v Speaker 2>about hiding real news. Now, is he right or wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that no, propaganda is certainly you know,

539
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>when you push propaganda out there, obviously you want to

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<v Speaker 2>hide the things that are actually news, that actually treat

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<v Speaker 2>you to information inform you. You do want to hide

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<v Speaker 2>the truth, and you do that by usually obfuscating, by

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<v Speaker 2>by placing some of the truth and blending it with

544
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<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of bs, and then you create new

545
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<v Speaker 2>narratives out of it. But like you said here, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody got that phrase fake news, fake news. They loved it.

547
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.679
<v Speaker 2>Trump was screaming it, you know, et cetera. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>still a very popular sort of phrase that people just

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<v Speaker 2>love to toss around. And propaganda and fake news are

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<v Speaker 2>not the same thing, by the way, but it says

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00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:30.159
<v Speaker 2>right here propaganda isn't just about creating fake news, isn't

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<v Speaker 2>just about that. It's also about hiding real news. I

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<v Speaker 2>just find it ironic that Elon Musk is the guy

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<v Speaker 2>putting this out, you know, not not because he's a

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<v Speaker 2>right winger and he's clearly, you know, in support of Trump, which,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, you see the interview with him and

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<v Speaker 2>Trump on you know that that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was put out on that some of it, some of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't watch the whole thing or listen to the

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting discussion in the subtext there, not the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>the mainstream media pointed out to you. But it is

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting to watch this interplay in that. Here's two

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<v Speaker 2>people that I guarantee you the you know, millions upon

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<v Speaker 2>millions of people that did watch this downloaded whatever experience it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they had something like two hundred million views

567
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<v Speaker 2>or something right away. You know, these people are not

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<v Speaker 2>living in the same reality that you or I live in.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a conversation between two people who are one thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying I'm not supporting Democrat, the Harris or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever when I say this, Yeah, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>care for them either.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the past, the only person you ever revealed

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<v Speaker 2>that you voted for on the show, by the way,

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00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 2>is is Donald Trump? Just for the record, but go ahead.

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00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's true. Actually, but that said that was Look

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<v Speaker 1>what you know the show, their show had trouble getting started.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, oh that was ironic too, is but the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who owns the platform and is a tech genius

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<v Speaker 2>and the other guy who's super stable genius in media savvy,

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00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.039
<v Speaker 2>the two of them get together and what do they

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<v Speaker 2>have technical difficulties?

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<v Speaker 3>That is this, guys, they're both billionaires. They can't get

585
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<v Speaker 3>the show going. Billionaires.

586
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.719
<v Speaker 2>But not just billionaires, Mike, but a billionaire who owns

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<v Speaker 2>a social media platform, this.

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00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Platform, it's supposed to be a genius.

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00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Who is a g a tech genius in Indian.

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<v Speaker 1>But what struck me about politically? Politically?

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<v Speaker 2>Politically?

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00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, one of the things is that I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Even talking about politics, by the way, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Politically I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really know what you're referred to, but I'll

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<v Speaker 3>just throw this out there first because I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious what you're referred to. But they.

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<v Speaker 3>They were bashing unions, yeah, and making making it funny

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00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:04.719
<v Speaker 3>to fire people because elon you know, which Politically I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get it because Trump is you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>got the JD.

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<v Speaker 1>Vayans character. He's supposed to be for the workers.

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<v Speaker 3>And they went the union vote in Michigan and there's

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<v Speaker 3>battleground state. So what's the benefit of bashing unions on

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<v Speaker 3>the show phiblically for Trump?

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<v Speaker 1>And then he was doing along Musk.

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<v Speaker 3>Musk was one who started, but Trump enjoyed it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really get that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's look those.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean to come off, that's just stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen. I don't disagree with you, but there is Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>They always tell you it's three D chess. You got

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<v Speaker 2>to understand, Mike, there's a big, grand strategy to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason for this is exactly what I was

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<v Speaker 2>bringing up. These guys are not connected to the real world.

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<v Speaker 2>They live in a completely different reality because they're on

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<v Speaker 2>a different level financially, they interact with people in a

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<v Speaker 2>different way. The owners of corporations, believe me, have a

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<v Speaker 2>different lifestyle than the guy who's mopping up the floor

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<v Speaker 2>than the guy who's using their product. Okay, they're not

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<v Speaker 2>connected to you or I the things that would make

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<v Speaker 2>sense to you or I, like, i'd be upset. That's

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<v Speaker 2>my job. If it's only numbers to them, then what's

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<v Speaker 2>the big deal? Just like you know, Musk is closing

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<v Speaker 2>his operations in Brazil right now, right you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>of August seventeenth, I think, according to Reuters, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's just closing up Twitter in Brazil because they

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to put some restrictions on him that he

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<v Speaker 2>felt violated his free speech rights on a global level.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, you know, not in America, but his free

632
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<v Speaker 2>speech rights. And he said, you know know what, I'm

633
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<v Speaker 2>just going to close my Twitter operations in Brazil my

634
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<v Speaker 2>office and all that. Nobody bats an eye at this.

635
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<v Speaker 2>Nobody bats an eye at that he walked into Twitter

636
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<v Speaker 2>and you know, paid billions of dollars for it and

637
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<v Speaker 2>fired a whole bunch of people. They think that somehow

638
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<v Speaker 2>this is a guy who's on the side of the people.

639
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<v Speaker 2>You're right, But he runs corporations, and the way he

640
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<v Speaker 2>runs his corporations, whether it's Tesla or this or anything else,

641
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.480
<v Speaker 2>take a look at his behaviors and tell me. This

642
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<v Speaker 2>is a guy who is an advocate for most of you,

643
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<v Speaker 2>who isn't really actually even an advocate for free speech,

644
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<v Speaker 2>which is what I hear all the time. This guy

645
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<v Speaker 2>is a great crusader and warrior for pre speech.

646
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<v Speaker 3>Will Yeah, I'll tell you what I think that's really about.

647
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, tell me.

648
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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd never really thought of this too recently either, but

650
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<v Speaker 3>where I live a couple there's a road, you know,

651
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:07.880
<v Speaker 3>four miles from me. There's a big building on this road,

652
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:14.719
<v Speaker 3>like a warehouse, buildings, concrete and big. And this guy

653
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.039
<v Speaker 3>was running a business there. It's like ten years younger

654
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<v Speaker 3>than me, and he was making he was what I

655
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:30.559
<v Speaker 3>was told was he was selling vitamins on Amazon now

656
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 3>and making millions, millions, and then he.

657
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<v Speaker 1>Got busted and arrested.

658
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<v Speaker 3>And it turned out what he was doing was buying

659
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<v Speaker 3>steroids from and they're coming from China and he was

660
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:58.000
<v Speaker 3>selling them on Amazon well and running ads all over. Well,

661
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<v Speaker 3>the thing about it is this had in a while ago,

662
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.639
<v Speaker 3>and you know, he made deals and didn't get in

663
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:08.280
<v Speaker 3>too much trouble. But I forget You know, that story

664
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<v Speaker 3>now resonates with me because I now realize that when

665
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<v Speaker 3>you put it all together, Facebook, Twitter, all these social medias,

666
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:23.239
<v Speaker 3>and JP Satilly I know when he was on your

667
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.679
<v Speaker 3>show mentioned this a couple of times. They are not

668
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<v Speaker 3>They have a clause that they got pasted when Clinton

669
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<v Speaker 3>was president, and a bill that makes them immune to

670
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 3>the content that they're not responsible legally for the content

671
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<v Speaker 3>on their websites.

672
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:48.320
<v Speaker 1>So Facebook can.

673
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<v Speaker 3>Run ads, have people pay them, trying advertisements to buy

674
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<v Speaker 3>illegal drugs, and if Facebook detects the ads and takes

675
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:06.360
<v Speaker 3>them down, that's fine, but there but if they don't

676
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.679
<v Speaker 3>and the ads keep running, or they run for months

677
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:14.039
<v Speaker 3>and someone buys the drugs and dies, they're not liable.

678
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:16.880
<v Speaker 1>However, if I put out a.

679
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:21.360
<v Speaker 3>Newspaper and did that, I would go to jail.

680
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:27.639
<v Speaker 1>Right, you know i'd be. So they're given a special munity.

681
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<v Speaker 3>In speech to do things that you or I cannot

682
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 3>do a newspaper can't do, a magazine can't do. You

683
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.119
<v Speaker 3>couldn't do in your radio show, you'd put in prison.

684
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Right.

685
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:43.280
<v Speaker 3>No, they have a community, and that's the free speech

686
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:44.519
<v Speaker 3>that they're really protecting.

687
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, the funny thing is, even even on my my

688
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:51.119
<v Speaker 2>little show here just broadcast, there are broadcast standards, believe

689
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.119
<v Speaker 2>it or not, and I have to suffer both of

690
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:57.960
<v Speaker 2>them in in the US and in Europe that if

691
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:02.199
<v Speaker 2>I do certain things even on my little minor broadcast here, okay,

692
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:04.599
<v Speaker 2>online you have to go find it and everything. It's

693
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.039
<v Speaker 2>not on the airwaves. So the FCC has nothing to

694
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.119
<v Speaker 2>do with it. So I can curse and I can

695
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.400
<v Speaker 2>break lots of rules. But guess what, there's still rules,

696
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.280
<v Speaker 2>and some of those rules are I can be held

697
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<v Speaker 2>liable for things if I did something that caused a

698
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 2>criminal act to occur. Okay, if it's found that I

699
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:32.760
<v Speaker 2>was literally somebody who provoked, who facilitated a criminal act

700
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>one way or another, whether I sold a product or

701
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:40.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, or or I or I encourage people to

702
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:44.320
<v Speaker 2>do something and they took actions, right, I can be

703
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Speaker 2>held liable and there's really harsher laws for it in Europe,

704
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.360
<v Speaker 2>believe it or not. Oh yeah, So there are broadcast

705
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.239
<v Speaker 2>standards that you can be held to. But what Facebook

706
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:56.599
<v Speaker 2>and these other entities are not held to at all

707
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.519
<v Speaker 2>is not only the broadcast problem, because a lot of

708
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:02.679
<v Speaker 2>that stuff was through the FCC. You know, you couldn't

709
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:06.519
<v Speaker 2>advertise this, you're putting air that And look, the Internet

710
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.440
<v Speaker 2>doesn't go out on the airwaves. It's not on the

711
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:13.679
<v Speaker 2>public airwaves, so therefore it's not part of the FCC's responsibility,

712
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:18.119
<v Speaker 2>the Federal Communications Commission, by the way. But still there

713
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:24.360
<v Speaker 2>are rules in place anyway. There's a lot to this, Mike, Yeah.

714
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:25.519
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is.

715
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 3>When they can run companies that are able to do

716
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 3>things that legally no one else can do, that puts

717
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:39.280
<v Speaker 3>them in a situation where they're operating out kind of

718
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.679
<v Speaker 3>lawlessly or they're like outlaws. Yeah, and they're able to

719
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:48.920
<v Speaker 3>do it legally, you know, without any consequences. That puts

720
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.800
<v Speaker 3>them in a position where they're able to make money

721
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:55.840
<v Speaker 3>that no one else can make. It makes their companies

722
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.800
<v Speaker 3>more profitable than they would be if they didn't operate

723
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 3>that way. So how much of their stock valuations, how

724
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:09.599
<v Speaker 3>much of you know, their profit margins are simply because

725
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:13.559
<v Speaker 3>they're allowed to operate in these gray areas where anyone

726
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:14.320
<v Speaker 3>listening to show.

727
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.440
<v Speaker 1>If they try to do, they'd be put in prison, right.

728
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.920
<v Speaker 3>And what you're looking at is people who say they're

729
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:25.079
<v Speaker 3>for free speech, like Elon Musk, while he downgrades or

730
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:29.079
<v Speaker 3>banishes people who criticize him or competitors.

731
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.280
<v Speaker 1>You know he did that with substacks.

732
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Take away substack links because I don't want substack because

733
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:35.239
<v Speaker 3>they might compete with me.

734
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:36.519
<v Speaker 1>That's freedom of speech.

735
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.039
<v Speaker 3>The freedom of speech they're trying to protect is these

736
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:40.960
<v Speaker 3>special privileges that they have.

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<v Speaker 1>What they really are.

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<v Speaker 3>That Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, they're monsters, They're human monsters, right,

739
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.800
<v Speaker 3>And what Elon wants to do is put chips in

740
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:54.760
<v Speaker 3>people's brains.

741
00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, I can't say that. I know he wants to

742
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:00.559
<v Speaker 2>put gyps in everybody's brain.

743
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.320
<v Speaker 1>But now there we go.

744
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Now there's something that he does want to do. You know,

745
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.320
<v Speaker 2>he's willing to sell the chips if you can figure

746
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:12.400
<v Speaker 2>out how to make them. But here's the thing, just

747
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:14.440
<v Speaker 2>like with his cars, you might order him and not

748
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.239
<v Speaker 2>get him for three years because they're not ready. You know,

749
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:22.679
<v Speaker 2>that's that's a common problem with him. But you've struck

750
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.920
<v Speaker 2>on something very important here, which is that, yeah, there

751
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:29.559
<v Speaker 2>are people that are in particular positions, that are privileged

752
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:33.159
<v Speaker 2>where they can get away with doing certain things. Get

753
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.679
<v Speaker 2>ready because they're figuring out a lot of stuff that

754
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.199
<v Speaker 2>they can get away with. Let me let me tell

755
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:40.760
<v Speaker 2>you something else, strange fact that has come up in

756
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.159
<v Speaker 2>a couple of court cases and nobody will talk about it.

757
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:46.639
<v Speaker 2>And I'm almost not sure if I should say this

758
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.960
<v Speaker 2>on my show, but here's the thing. You know those

759
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 2>cases where people have live streamed you know, murders, you

760
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:56.639
<v Speaker 2>know where people have turned around and you have Facebook

761
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:59.639
<v Speaker 2>takes it down and whatnot. But there is a case

762
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:03.800
<v Speaker 2>they can be made that if you are inciting a

763
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.119
<v Speaker 2>crime in certain jurisdictions, and I know this is a

764
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:11.199
<v Speaker 2>factual thing, if you incite a crime, all right, like

765
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:14.480
<v Speaker 2>you encourage someone to commit a crime, you can be

766
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:18.840
<v Speaker 2>held at least partially liable for that criminal act. So

767
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:21.760
<v Speaker 2>an argument could be made in a court you would

768
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.960
<v Speaker 2>think that says, you know, the reason why this guy

769
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.280
<v Speaker 2>did it is so he could stream it on Facebook

770
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.199
<v Speaker 2>and people did that on Facebook Live. The shootings and

771
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.280
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of things. Yeah, people did it because they

772
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:36.679
<v Speaker 2>were able to stream these things and they got away

773
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>with it. And in some cases it took them a

774
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:40.199
<v Speaker 2>while to take it down and didn't come down like

775
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:45.119
<v Speaker 2>in five minutes. You know, like if you bootlegged I

776
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:48.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know, you know south Park cartoons, you know, they

777
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:50.760
<v Speaker 2>would knock you down in five minutes, right, the algorithm

778
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:54.760
<v Speaker 2>would catch it. But you know, that's protecting content. But

779
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:56.920
<v Speaker 2>some people might say that there have been crimes and

780
00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:59.800
<v Speaker 2>there have been tortures that people have committed and put

781
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:03.400
<v Speaker 2>on Facebook Live where they kidnapped people and done things

782
00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:06.239
<v Speaker 2>to them. There is a lot of wild cases out

783
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:10.159
<v Speaker 2>there that haven't gotten the big headlines. And some people

784
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:14.239
<v Speaker 2>could say, you know that this was encouraged because you

785
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:16.360
<v Speaker 2>could get a lot of clicks, You could get a

786
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:19.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of crazy people that want to watch this and

787
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:23.920
<v Speaker 2>believe it or not, these performances are encouraged by Facebook,

788
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:27.760
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, because they pumped them full

789
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:30.679
<v Speaker 2>of violent content all day. Then they turn around to

790
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:33.360
<v Speaker 2>try and get the attention. They go decide to make

791
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:36.159
<v Speaker 2>a point because they you know, and in some cases

792
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:38.360
<v Speaker 2>this was high school kids turned around and captured some

793
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:41.599
<v Speaker 2>kid they were bullying and tortured them on Facebook live.

794
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.360
<v Speaker 2>There's like dozens of cases of this that I know about.

795
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Do you know about any of this.

796
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:52.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know about the kids being tortured, but I

797
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 3>mean vaguely I can. There's stories I've heard over the years.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't have them getting great in my mind.

799
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<v Speaker 2>Well, the first first ones I found were these kids

800
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<v Speaker 2>were high school students, like you know, juniors and seniors

801
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.960
<v Speaker 2>in high school that you know, decided to pick on somebody,

802
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<v Speaker 2>so they tied them up, put them on Facebook Live

803
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:13.400
<v Speaker 2>and started burning them with cigarettes and beating them and

804
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:17.159
<v Speaker 2>all this other stuff. And the one kid died, you know,

805
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:20.239
<v Speaker 2>had suffered a heart attack in the midst of being tortured.

806
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.000
<v Speaker 2>They were, you know, putting gags in his mouth and

807
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<v Speaker 2>doing all kinds of stuff, and he had some kind

808
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<v Speaker 2>of I don't know, seizure or whatever and died during this.

809
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<v Speaker 2>And that was one case. But here's the thing lawyers

810
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:38.719
<v Speaker 2>have tried to introduce. Maybe Facebook is liable because they

811
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<v Speaker 2>encouraged this activity and allowed these people to live stream.

812
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<v Speaker 2>You know, in some cases these things went on for

813
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<v Speaker 2>hours online. It's crazy, and you know, and some people

814
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<v Speaker 2>downloaded it later, which is why you know the I

815
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<v Speaker 2>mean in some case these I'm just telling you this

816
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<v Speaker 2>has happened. Now, if you were on a radio station, Mike,

817
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:04.199
<v Speaker 2>or if you and I you know, printed something on

818
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:08.559
<v Speaker 2>your website even and put out a newspaper or whatever,

819
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:11.199
<v Speaker 2>and or we were on this show right here, and

820
00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:14.079
<v Speaker 2>we encourage people to do stuff. You know, what you

821
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:16.480
<v Speaker 2>should do is find this kind of person in your

822
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:20.760
<v Speaker 2>neighborhood and do X y Z to them, right we

823
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.920
<v Speaker 2>If somebody turns around and does it and they show

824
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:28.360
<v Speaker 2>that they were listening to this show, they could take

825
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:34.000
<v Speaker 2>us to court as what accessories. We encouraged it, We

826
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:41.960
<v Speaker 2>incited it, Okay, but see Facebook, you got all kinds

827
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.559
<v Speaker 2>of people randomly inciting it. You have a forum in

828
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.960
<v Speaker 2>which this was allowed to go on. There's nothing stopping

829
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:52.519
<v Speaker 2>people from doing it, right and all that. Plus they're

830
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<v Speaker 2>being pumpable of all this other crap, which is getting

831
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:57.840
<v Speaker 2>their rage level up all day. You know, do you

832
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<v Speaker 2>see the point I'm trying to make?

833
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, certainly. And and the thing about is it's possible.

834
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<v Speaker 3>You know that one day there will be growing awareness

835
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<v Speaker 3>of this. And I think a lot of people already

836
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:17.039
<v Speaker 3>have a negative view of social media, and and you know,

837
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:23.920
<v Speaker 3>everyone knows stories of something bad that.

838
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<v Speaker 1>Has you know, people have been influenced somehow from it or.

839
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<v Speaker 2>Whatever, even in minor cases again, yeah.

840
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.039
<v Speaker 3>Just getting depressed or what you know, we'll get having

841
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.360
<v Speaker 3>trouble with your diet, or you know, wanting to be

842
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:37.199
<v Speaker 3>too girls get want to be become bohemiic or something.

843
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:37.440
<v Speaker 1>You know.

844
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay, the pure pressure and the bullying and the all

845
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.559
<v Speaker 2>that stuff is more minor than the murder and torture.

846
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:49.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, but regard but everyone knows some stories

847
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.280
<v Speaker 3>of minor incidences.

848
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, but either way, either way, what.

849
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:57.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to say is people know there's a bad

850
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:01.360
<v Speaker 3>stuff going on to this. Social media has bad impacts.

851
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.599
<v Speaker 3>Well you know, you look at the car industry.

852
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.000
<v Speaker 2>But here's the protection. Let me get to the protection

853
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.679
<v Speaker 2>part of this though, real fast, is that even in

854
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:13.119
<v Speaker 2>minor instances where people are saying and I'm not saying

855
00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I agree that this is true or not, but in

856
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:17.599
<v Speaker 2>some cases people say, you know, look they're able to

857
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.519
<v Speaker 2>use this thing as a tool to bully and my

858
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.639
<v Speaker 2>kid was bullied. You got increased suicides, all these peer

859
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:28.519
<v Speaker 2>pressure things, right, these stories, Well, that is a crime.

860
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:33.800
<v Speaker 2>If somebody's harassing somebody like that, if somebody is intimidating them,

861
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, and using this. If you use a phone, indeed, okay,

862
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:40.519
<v Speaker 2>if you use a telephone, an old telephone. If I

863
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:43.840
<v Speaker 2>call you on a landline, you know from here, and

864
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:47.000
<v Speaker 2>call your landline and say I'm going to kill you, Mike. Yeah,

865
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:49.199
<v Speaker 2>you know what I just did. I just made a

866
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:52.400
<v Speaker 2>threat to you, and actually I crossed state lines to

867
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:56.239
<v Speaker 2>do it. I've committed a federal offense. If they do

868
00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:58.800
<v Speaker 2>this stuff on Facebook or on one of these social

869
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:02.280
<v Speaker 2>media platforms and they torture and bully somebody. They've tried

870
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.039
<v Speaker 2>to bring this into court too. And what did we

871
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:07.280
<v Speaker 2>end up with? Elon Musk, you know what testified before

872
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Congress if you remember, No, not Elon Musk. Excuse me,

873
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:16.159
<v Speaker 2>excuse Zuckerberg. I misspoke. Zuckerberg goes before Congress and they're like,

874
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:19.000
<v Speaker 2>do you think you have any responsibility here? And he

875
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.000
<v Speaker 2>said no. And guess what. Facebook has not been held

876
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:23.599
<v Speaker 2>accountable for any of this stuff.

877
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:25.000
<v Speaker 1>They can't be.

878
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:28.199
<v Speaker 2>They try and bring it into court and they are protected.

879
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:31.920
<v Speaker 2>But I'm telling you now, any other type of medium

880
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.880
<v Speaker 2>outside of these online forums like this are not protected.

881
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:38.599
<v Speaker 2>I think it's one of those things people just haven't seen.

882
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's making a big enough stink about it, you know,

883
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.719
<v Speaker 2>and then what do we do. We'll wind up descending

884
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.119
<v Speaker 2>into discussions about the dark web and this and that,

885
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:51.679
<v Speaker 2>which is a whole other problem. But I think it's

886
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:56.719
<v Speaker 2>more of an imagined problem than this one that's right

887
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:58.960
<v Speaker 2>in front of us every day, that's out in the open.

888
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:03.280
<v Speaker 2>And indeed, I think it's changed people, not just for

889
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:06.440
<v Speaker 2>the worst, but just for benign ways too. It is

890
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:10.760
<v Speaker 2>certainly altered the way people are gathering information and communicating

891
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:14.320
<v Speaker 2>with one another. And I've argued over and over again

892
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:18.920
<v Speaker 2>again pre pandemic that people were isolated and contained in

893
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:22.480
<v Speaker 2>these boxes and continue to remain to be there where

894
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:26.360
<v Speaker 2>their entire reality is fed to them by an algorithm

895
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:31.239
<v Speaker 2>that guess what Mike does exactly what people actually want, which,

896
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:35.320
<v Speaker 2>as we can see from those studies, they want their

897
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:40.760
<v Speaker 2>prejudiced belief. They want their preconceived notion fed back to them.

898
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Whether it's right or not, whether it's supported by facts

899
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.599
<v Speaker 2>is irrelevant. That's what they want, and that's what the

900
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.599
<v Speaker 2>algorithms do. You like violence, here's some more violence. You

901
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:55.239
<v Speaker 2>like history, here's some more history. The algorithms do this

902
00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:59.079
<v Speaker 2>and keep you contained in a world where you'll be

903
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:04.880
<v Speaker 2>protected from new information. You'll be protected from things that

904
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:12.039
<v Speaker 2>don't you know, focus on your sentimentality, regardless of substance.

905
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.679
<v Speaker 2>You'll be fed. If you're gonna be fed substance, it's

906
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the substance you wanted now, so you know. And that's

907
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:20.320
<v Speaker 2>real helpful when you want a movie that's just like

908
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.800
<v Speaker 2>the last movie you watched. Oh, I like action movies.

909
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:25.760
<v Speaker 2>That's great for those kind of algorithms, But when it

910
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:29.440
<v Speaker 2>comes to being informed about the world, you're only getting

911
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:33.039
<v Speaker 2>what it is you already decided you want. It means

912
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:38.599
<v Speaker 2>that you do what you're stagnating intellectually. You're not being

913
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.760
<v Speaker 2>exposed to anything that you don't want to be. Really,

914
00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:44.760
<v Speaker 2>it's like the ultimate safe space, and it's being done digitally.

915
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Or do you disagree with me? Tell me I'm wrong.

916
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:51.599
<v Speaker 1>No, I agree with what you're saying.

917
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:56.639
<v Speaker 3>I just wonder this really has only been around now

918
00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 3>for ten years or so, maybe even less than that,

919
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:06.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe eight years, but we're going you know,

920
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:13.719
<v Speaker 3>no more than ten, and it's probably not going to

921
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.559
<v Speaker 3>be around forever. In its current form, It's only been

922
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:19.519
<v Speaker 3>around for ten years. If you look at like the

923
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:21.440
<v Speaker 3>tobacco industry, well.

924
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Don't you think it's been around for more like twenty years, Mike,

925
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean it began in the oh something's right,

926
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:27.599
<v Speaker 2>oh five?

927
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:31.559
<v Speaker 1>Like you know mysell, I really think like the social

928
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:32.320
<v Speaker 1>media's we know.

929
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:35.639
<v Speaker 2>It well again, Facebook started. Let me go look at

930
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:37.719
<v Speaker 2>when Facebook started. I think it was like two thousand

931
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.599
<v Speaker 2>and seven though, okay, okay, I mean I'm just saying

932
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:43.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go look just to be sure. But

933
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:46.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean Facebook and even Twitter, I think, yeah, you're.

934
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Right that that law giving them all this immunity was

935
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:51.679
<v Speaker 3>made when Clinton was present.

936
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:53.840
<v Speaker 2>And that was made when Clinton was president. But yeah,

937
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:56.960
<v Speaker 2>the social media construct as it is today, I think

938
00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:00.480
<v Speaker 2>started right then, right with the beginning of like say Facebook,

939
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:01.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean.

940
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, what's that two thousand and six.

941
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm gonna go look right now. But I mean,

942
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you if Facebook two thousand and five started

943
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:15.559
<v Speaker 2>when you know here I am asking my non Google machine.

944
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Quite honestly, it started now. It started initially in two

945
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:23.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand and four, okay, at Cambridge, right, and then it

946
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:25.920
<v Speaker 2>evolved from there. Remember at first it was just for

947
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:28.400
<v Speaker 2>the university there, and they got expanded.

948
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:32.719
<v Speaker 1>But Zuckerberg, well twenty years then, let's say twenty years.

949
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:34.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, almost twenty years now.

950
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:39.760
<v Speaker 1>But what I'm trying to say is you look at cigarettes.

951
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:40.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, they.

952
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:45.400
<v Speaker 3>Were one hundred and fifty year long industry until they

953
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:52.760
<v Speaker 3>started to get regulated. Basically the car industry. I don't

954
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:56.360
<v Speaker 3>think they had seat belts to like the late sixties

955
00:58:56.440 --> 00:59:04.880
<v Speaker 3>or seventies mandated for all cars. So this can end

956
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:09.480
<v Speaker 3>up being regulated or change or maybe replaced one day

957
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:16.760
<v Speaker 3>with something people find better. It may take another twenty years.

958
00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:20.039
<v Speaker 2>No, true enough, And look, I look at an article

959
00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:23.360
<v Speaker 2>from twenty twenty two in USA today. If you don't mind,

960
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:26.599
<v Speaker 2>just read the first couple of sentences, just just to

961
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:29.400
<v Speaker 2>give you an idea about the beginning of Facebook. Facebook

962
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:33.360
<v Speaker 2>marked the beginning of a social media curve. Yes or

963
00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:36.320
<v Speaker 2>orchit and MySpace existed before.

964
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Orc it okay or I don't remember that.

965
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you and me both. But Facebook was the beginning

966
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:47.320
<v Speaker 2>of sharing, live feed okay, posting on your friend's walls,

967
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:52.559
<v Speaker 2>and so much more. According to Status, Facebook is the

968
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:57.760
<v Speaker 2>most used online social network worldwide, boasting around two point

969
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:02.440
<v Speaker 2>nine three billion users around the globe as of the

970
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:05.920
<v Speaker 2>first quarter of twenty twenty two. Okay, while many might

971
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:09.719
<v Speaker 2>think Facebook's era is long over and serves as a

972
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:14.679
<v Speaker 2>nostalgia tool for millennials and early Gen zs, Facebook was

973
01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:19.159
<v Speaker 2>the top social media platform on which American users spent

974
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:22.599
<v Speaker 2>the most time per day in twenty twenty one. TikTok

975
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:27.639
<v Speaker 2>and Twitter were close second and third, respectively. Let's see

976
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:30.280
<v Speaker 2>and you know, here we go? When was Facebook created?

977
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:35.559
<v Speaker 2>Launched on February fourth, two thousand and four, TheFacebook dot

978
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:39.159
<v Speaker 2>Com Facebook's initial title was made with the goal of

979
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:43.960
<v Speaker 2>creating a directory of information for college students, Chris Hughes,

980
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:48.159
<v Speaker 2>who will start TheFacebook dot com, told Time Magazine, But

981
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:51.599
<v Speaker 2>a couple of things were snipped away post launched the

982
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:55.400
<v Speaker 2>social media juggernaut, cut the from the name in two

983
01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:59.800
<v Speaker 2>thousand and five, and lifted its college students only restriction

984
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.239
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and six. So really, it became available

985
01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:06.280
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and six a step by step guide

986
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:09.400
<v Speaker 2>how to avoid blah blah. Okay, anyway, so it became

987
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:12.880
<v Speaker 2>available for everybody in two thousand and six. In two

988
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:15.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand and five, it was only available to college students.

989
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:19.639
<v Speaker 2>There was a time period there just college students, okay,

990
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:23.519
<v Speaker 2>but all this sharing and everything. They were the innovator,

991
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:27.159
<v Speaker 2>they were the vanguard. And like I said, in twenty

992
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:31.280
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, they claim two point nine to three billion

993
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:36.719
<v Speaker 2>users around the globe. That's pretty astounding, do you think.

994
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess it's it's amazing.

995
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:45.159
<v Speaker 2>When you had that big of a chunk of the

996
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:49.480
<v Speaker 2>world's population somehow or other interacting with something.

997
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:52.800
<v Speaker 3>You feel, like I was saying before, it's all compatible.

998
01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:56.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's countries all over the world, right, it's

999
01:01:56.519 --> 01:01:58.880
<v Speaker 3>compatible with dictatorships.

1000
01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:01.639
<v Speaker 1>They operate just as well there as they do here.

1001
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:04.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the thing. How best to spread a message?

1002
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Right now?

1003
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:06.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, if I told you, look, I got a

1004
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:09.199
<v Speaker 2>message I got to spread, where are you gonna go

1005
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:11.960
<v Speaker 2>with it? If you just need to reach random people

1006
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:14.800
<v Speaker 2>in as many places as possible, you're going to go

1007
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:18.440
<v Speaker 2>to one of these platforms. I mean even today you

1008
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:20.880
<v Speaker 2>want to sell stuff locally, you know what I mean,

1009
01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:25.400
<v Speaker 2>some people might still use Craigslist or whatever, or remember

1010
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:28.320
<v Speaker 2>the days of classified ads. Well, nowadays you go to

1011
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Facebook and they got something called marketplace, and in the

1012
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:35.159
<v Speaker 2>marketplace it goes locally, just to your area that you

1013
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:40.079
<v Speaker 2>enter in, and people are basically selling their stuff like

1014
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:42.559
<v Speaker 2>as if they would through the classified ads or Craigslist

1015
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:43.280
<v Speaker 2>in the old days.

1016
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:44.400
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean.

1017
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've got furniture, I've got I see cars on

1018
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:52.480
<v Speaker 2>there everything, you know. So this serves a whole lot

1019
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:55.760
<v Speaker 2>of purposes. But at the end of the day, think

1020
01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:59.280
<v Speaker 2>about the difference in information you're getting from it as

1021
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.320
<v Speaker 2>opposed to having you had a newspaper and look at

1022
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:04.199
<v Speaker 2>the class fids, you know what I mean, or you know,

1023
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.079
<v Speaker 2>get old of something else and you can you got

1024
01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:09.239
<v Speaker 2>to go every day and get class fides from the newspaper, right,

1025
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's wild, Mike, No, well it's.

1026
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:19.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is a little off topic. But I went,

1027
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:26.280
<v Speaker 3>if you hear this hawk Girl. No, it's some viral

1028
01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:34.000
<v Speaker 3>social media thing and uh, it went some girl that

1029
01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:39.280
<v Speaker 3>went viral on TikTok or somewhere a month ago. Okay,

1030
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:41.880
<v Speaker 3>And I went to the post office today and someone

1031
01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:44.840
<v Speaker 3>had a bumper sticker on their on their van floor.

1032
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:48.119
<v Speaker 1>I just thought it was funny.

1033
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:52.199
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know anything about hawk Girl. Listen, Mike,

1034
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I need to take a quick break here.

1035
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:55.840
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, we were been on for a long time.

1036
01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:58.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I run you over time, so maybe

1037
01:03:58.559 --> 01:03:59.920
<v Speaker 2>I should let you go. What do you think?

1038
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, sure, you know, And I'll get.

1039
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Into another segment after this, guys, but I need to

1040
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:06.559
<v Speaker 2>take a quick break. I advise you to go sign

1041
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:10.239
<v Speaker 2>up Wallstreet, Window dot com, sign up for Mike's very

1042
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:14.599
<v Speaker 2>informative newsletter. And it's always great to talk to you.

1043
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Mike.

1044
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:16.559
<v Speaker 2>Are we gonna have you next week or the week

1045
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:17.320
<v Speaker 2>after or what.

1046
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:18.440
<v Speaker 1>I'll be here.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it won't be next week, but it'll be you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes I'll say we'll get back in.

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<v Speaker 2>Touch right And as usual, I highly advise you go

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<v Speaker 2>get The War State. You know, the book The War

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<v Speaker 2>State or or Why the Vietnam War, both of them

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<v Speaker 2>authored by Mike Swanson, and the links in the show

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<v Speaker 2>notes for tonight's show. Anyway, I'll be back after this break, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>stick around you the dot com radio network.

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<v Speaker 4>If youse expressed my caller schools there anyone else who

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<v Speaker 4>happens to get on the air of Jelly dot Com

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<v Speaker 4>do not necessarily reflect the views little Jelly dot Com

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<v Speaker 4>or job go Chilly, and we are not responsible for

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<v Speaker 4>gay stupidity which mighty Sue.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you go ahead calling.

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<v Speaker 5>The truth about the JAFA.

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<v Speaker 2>Assassination right, Well, what do you want to know?

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<v Speaker 6>Baker's wild claim Oswal girlfriends he knew, Ruby and Barry

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<v Speaker 6>answer weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I imagine I could claim I have four wheels. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make me a wagon. But okay, I'm Jilby and.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm trying to prevent the murder of John Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on now, has a real effort on the day

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<v Speaker 1>of assassination.

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<v Speaker 2>Reclaim. Go to Amazon dot com enter Judith Baker in

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<v Speaker 2>her own words. You'll get the results for a digital

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<v Speaker 2>copy of a book where walk browns her own words

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<v Speaker 2>and the known evidence in the case. To get at

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<v Speaker 2>well a different perspective. Let's say you can get Judith

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<v Speaker 2>Barry Baker in her own words from the author himself,

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<v Speaker 2>signed if you request it by contacting doctor Brown at

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<v Speaker 2>kias jfk at aol dot com. It's a fun book

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<v Speaker 2>and it actually dissects the many, many fantastic claims Judith

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<v Speaker 2>Ary Baker in her own words.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you for all the great in revelation through conversation

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<v Speaker 6>in denial.

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<v Speaker 5>Secret Wars with air Strikes and Tanks by Larry Hancock,

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<v Speaker 5>Secret wars became a staple of US covert operations and

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<v Speaker 5>are still happening today. Larry Hancock's book In Denial rips

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<v Speaker 5>the cover off many of them, using new files. It

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<v Speaker 5>exposes things about the Bay and Pigs that no one

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<v Speaker 5>has ever written about before. It shows why it really

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<v Speaker 5>failed and why the United States did not.

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<v Speaker 7>Earn from it. It also shows why other countries today

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<v Speaker 7>are doing a secret operation with more success. This is

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<v Speaker 7>the book that puts what some want to deny into

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<v Speaker 7>the light. In Denial, secret wars with air strikes and

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<v Speaker 7>tanks Larryhncock. For more information, go to larryhyphen Handcock dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Pick up your copy of In.

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<v Speaker 7>Denial at Amazon dot com in digital or physical.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you like history, Real history that you were never

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<v Speaker 8>taught in schools? Why the Vietnam War, Nuclear Bombs and

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<v Speaker 8>Nation Building in Southeast Asia by author Mike Swanson, with

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<v Speaker 8>new documentation never seen before that'll open your eyes to

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<v Speaker 8>events that led up to this. Why the Vietnam War,

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<v Speaker 8>Nuclear Bombs and Nation Building in Southeast Asia nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 8>five through nineteen sixty one. Get your copy today at

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<v Speaker 8>Amazon dot com. Why the Vietnam War by author Mike Swanson.

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<v Speaker 9>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

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<v Speaker 9>transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in

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<v Speaker 9>the context of the times, and reveals never before published

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<v Speaker 9>information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

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<v Speaker 9>have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred

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<v Speaker 9>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

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<v Speaker 9>the Cold War and the rise of the national security state.

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<v Speaker 9>Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

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<v Speaker 9>In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower.

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<v Speaker 9>Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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<v Speaker 9>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

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<v Speaker 9>island arn't with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

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<v Speaker 9>because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have

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<v Speaker 9>led to a Third World War, and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 9>go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson

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<v Speaker 9>reveals why and will show you what President Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 9>up against.

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<v Speaker 2>For more information, The Warstate dot.

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<v Speaker 6>Com revelation through conversation, Oh.

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<v Speaker 8>Chilly dot Com, Oh Chilly dot Com, Let.

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<v Speaker 2>Her know, let her know, let no got let.

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<v Speaker 10>Know all Sharco Luck and care Rocks and from blight.

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<v Speaker 1>Up the drug Show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm bringing all shot.

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<v Speaker 10>I can care Rocks the blight at the Drag Show.

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<v Speaker 10>But Moore, we just met that the world's worst professional

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<v Speaker 10>Profoca tour. Tit them like it's two thousand something, and

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<v Speaker 10>Becker's back on tour. You never really wanted me anyway.

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<v Speaker 10>Alcohol turns me into the enemies. I'm go seventy Sam

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<v Speaker 10>with some adnasy. I used to think that bottle was

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<v Speaker 10>the remedy, picked it up once or twice after I

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<v Speaker 10>let it go, but finally had.

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<v Speaker 2>To let it be. I used to roll with the

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<v Speaker 2>jack bitch she would give me and let tippers and literacy,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean literally, I figure.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the letter.

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<v Speaker 4>If you was expressed by callers, tools or anyone else

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<v Speaker 4>who happens to get on the air of Jolly dot

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<v Speaker 4>com if not necessarily repleted, he muses, jelly do, and

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<v Speaker 4>we are not responsible for gainst comnity was Mighty Students.

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<v Speaker 2>Dot Radio Ready segment number two on a Thor's Day,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, it's an interesting evening here thanks to Mike Swanson.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry I had to run real quick there, but

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<v Speaker 2>I had to take care of something uh personal that

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<v Speaker 2>was immediate in that moment. But so we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>Mike with us now. I wanted to tell you a

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<v Speaker 2>quick story about what's been happening, because you guys might

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<v Speaker 2>have noticed there wasn't so many broadcasts lately. Well, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, I got ill for a bit, and okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what else is new there? Chuck your ill a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, and I I didn't even want to spend

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time on this story. You know. What

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to do is cover the DNC this week.

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<v Speaker 2>I want wanted to cover a whole bunch of things

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<v Speaker 2>this week last week, But here's what happened on I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was a Monday, no Tuesday. I was so

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<v Speaker 2>fed up with a collection of ailments that I finally

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<v Speaker 2>found my way to go see you know, to go

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<v Speaker 2>to a clinic. And I went to the clinic and

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<v Speaker 2>took care of that whole thing. And okay, I hate

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, but there was too many things wrong with

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<v Speaker 2>me that I couldn't quite figure out, and numbness in

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<v Speaker 2>my hand. I was having serious problems with digestion. I

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<v Speaker 2>was having other issues with getting my whole system either

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<v Speaker 2>not moving or giving me problems. When it did, I

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<v Speaker 2>was having fevers and dizziness, loss of my equilibrium, numbness

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<v Speaker 2>and pain simultaneously in some of my limbs, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>my right hand almost totally dead feeling wise. I could

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<v Speaker 2>still move it, but I couldn't really feel it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't pick up things trying to, you know, pick

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<v Speaker 2>up things when you can't feel, and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and horrendous pain plus back pain plus all these things

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<v Speaker 2>were going on, and I felt like I was just

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<v Speaker 2>falling apart