WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:01.280 All right, let's get it. 2 00:00:01.399 --> 00:00:05.320 Drivetime Thursday afternoon, nine minutes past the hour of two o'clock. 3 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:10.759 Our spring like week of weather continues today. Sunny, beautiful, 4 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:13.480 fifty degrees here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, as 5 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:17.120 we are preparing to say goodbye to February and good 6 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:22.039 riddance in my humble opinion on the program Thursday afternoon, 7 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:25.359 a lot to do, jam packed evening of basketball last night, 8 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:27.559 both in the college ranks and. 9 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:28.600 In the professional ranks. 10 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:32.359 University of Utah took an l it's against Arizona down 11 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:35.200 to McHale BYU was able to get it done against 12 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:39.240 Arizona State. Tough loss for the Utah State Aggies and 13 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:42.520 the Utah Jazz with a loss, but a historic night 14 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:45.679 from one Walker Kessler. Get into it on the program today, 15 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:49.000 talk some college basketball, talk, some NBA basketball, as we 16 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.759 are high speed ahead to March and the madness is 17 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:54.679 right around the corner. Utah Hockey Club is back in 18 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:58.759 action tonight. Minnesota's in town, minnsot's a good team. Utah 19 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:02.200 Hockey Club in n of points down the stretch and 20 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:05.920 we are about one week away from the trade deadline 21 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:09.400 in the National Hockey League. Bill Armstrong now friend of 22 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:12.040 the program. We had Bill on this week. I asked 23 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:14.159 him about the potential of making a move or a 24 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:17.079 couple of moves potentially prior to that March seventh deadline, 25 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:20.079 and Bill was very honest about how they are making 26 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:22.480 their assessments and whether or not they need to do 27 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:23.920 something prior to the trade deadline. 28 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:26.040 It's a littify this roster for the stretch run. 29 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:29.799 Utah Hockey Club finds themselves right in the mix for 30 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:33.439 a wild card playoff spot, and all year long, that's 31 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:35.400 what we've been talking about as far as the expectation 32 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:37.959 for this team. Will they be able to finish it off, 33 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.120 make the wildcard round, make the playoffs, and tell you what, man, 34 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.040 if you've ever experienced Stanley Cup hockey hockey in the 35 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.840 pro ranks, it's a lot of fun. Right now, the 36 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:51.280 Utah Hockey Club finds themselves four points behind Vancouver. Colorado's 37 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:53.480 been really good as of late. They're a full nine 38 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.159 points behind the Avs, three points beyond the Calgary Flames, 39 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.359 one point ahead of the Saint Louis Blue. So we'll 40 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.760 do some hockey on the program, do a little NBA basketball, 41 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:07.640 college basketball, in the program as well, and of course 42 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:11.520 the Combine rolls on prior to the NFL Draft. 43 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:13.560 We'll give you some storylines and the combine. 44 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:17.080 A lot of players both locally and nationally participating in 45 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:19.759 drills today and a lot of rumors about what could 46 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:22.439 happen at the top of the draft. Junior Tafuna, Brandt 47 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:25.439 Keithy and karn A Reeder are three University of Utah 48 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:29.439 local reps. So we'll do some basketball on the program 49 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:32.479 today as excuse me, some football on the program today 50 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:34.879 in addition to the basketball stuff, of course the hockey stuff. 51 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:36.400 Do a little RSL. 52 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:40.879 RSL did RSL things last night and was ousted in 53 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:45.439 the Cockycat champions Tournaments after making that tournament, making that 54 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:48.680 kind of that situation for the first time in basically 55 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:52.280 a decade or so. That run was very short lived 56 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.039 as Aradiana from Costa Rica rolled into town and was 57 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:57.639 able to get a couple of goals and beat RSL 58 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.240 two to one. There is a striker on the way, 59 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:04.159 so hopefully reinforcements. So three games for oursel this year 60 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.240 in one goal so far, and that's what happens when 61 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:10.360 you decide to move on from the majority of the 62 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:12.960 players that were good and your attacking third. 63 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:14.360 So we'll do a little soccer as well. 64 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:17.759 We're jam packed on this Thursday afternoon here in downtown 65 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:22.039 Salt Lake City, Utah. The hooligans are back outside. Wow, 66 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:25.120 the skateboarding hooligans have return once again. It's becoming a 67 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:27.960 theme here in downtown Salt Lake right outside of our 68 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.879 Broadway Media studios. All right, Our first guest right out 69 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.000 of the gates, Neil Smith from the NHL Wrap Around podcast, 70 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:37.280 former general manager of the New York Rangers, high level 71 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:40.560 scout for the Detroit Red Wings. Also Randy Islanders for 72 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:42.240 a while. Neil's gonna stop by right out of the 73 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:46.639 gates today. We'll do some basketball and some soccer with 74 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:50.039 Andy Larson, some jazz and tomorrosl with Andy Larson from 75 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.280 the Salt Lake Tribune. Tim McMahon stops by for your 76 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:57.280 NBA daily assists, latest on the Utah Jazz, big picture 77 00:03:57.400 --> 00:03:59.719 NBA stuff. We'll get a little sports card in as 78 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.599 well with our friends from Handy and Handy on this 79 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:06.759 Thursday afternoon. Neil Smith, Andy Larson, Tim McMahon little sports 80 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:08.759 court on a Thursday and me Spence Check. It's all 81 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:12.240 of you, the great listeners Happy Thursday almost to that 82 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:16.720 weekend right around the corner, and that guy Porter Larson 83 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:19.839 on a Thursday afternoon, I might need you to run interference. 84 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:22.120 I'm gonna have to ask you to maybe play a 85 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:24.959 little security guard if we keep having these hooligans skateboarding 86 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:26.199 outside of our studio. 87 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.519 I'll do that, will, really, I'll go handle business. 88 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:31.800 Will you pull a Karen un So you will? 89 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:35.839 I mean, if I'm getting express written consent from my employer, 90 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:38.560 I think we're I think we're good. I think we're covered. 91 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:40.040 I'll kick some skaters. 92 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:41.839 Asked, Well, I'm not the guy to give you the 93 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:44.319 express written consent, so we're gonna have to run that 94 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.720 up the pipeline, all right, James. But it's a new thing, 95 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:49.959 you know, James or Steve can sign off and you 96 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:51.439 can go take care of it outside. 97 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:51.920 It's a new thing. 98 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:54.800 Looks like they're creating content for potentially a YouTube channel. 99 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:55.959 Because I'll give you some content. 100 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:56.759 That's kind of the deal. 101 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:59.720 You could go viral if you go out and start complaining, 102 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:00.680 maybe go viral. 103 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.480 Change your life, get hit with a skateboard. 104 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:07.399 Maybe how much NFL combine do you find yourself consuming. 105 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:09.920 I don't consume much of it. I follow a lot 106 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:12.759 of it obviously, the numbers, the you know, checking in 107 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:16.480 on results and whatnot. But having been there, done that, 108 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:21.120 seen that stuff in, you know personally it's it's the 109 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:23.720 same thing, and you're you're just there for the results, 110 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.600 or you're there to get an interview, to get a 111 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:30.959 talk one on one with a player where you can 112 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:33.040 find something out about him that none of us are 113 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:34.639 going to see on the cameras. And that's really what 114 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.839 the NFL Combine is about. So well, I don't really 115 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.560 follow it live too much, but I'll usually check in 116 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:42.199 every few days and make sure we're up to date 117 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:42.759 on the numbers. 118 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.879 So as numbers kind of spill in, as it pertains 119 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.759 to what our local guys are doing to the combine, 120 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:50.879 will kind of give you it update, even though most 121 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.399 of these things I don't know. Kind of silly, but 122 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:56.079 a lot to do. On a Thursday, Neil Smith's gonna 123 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:59.439 be our first guest. But on this Thursday afternoon, Curtis 124 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:02.439 Art good for a prize picks. It is time now 125 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:03.240 for your opening tip. 126 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:07.120 Welcome to the Drive with Spence. Check its on Utah's 127 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:10.560 number one Sports Talk Now into the studios of ESPN 128 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:13.199 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 129 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:15.279 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 130 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:19.639 Prize Picks. Use the code ESPN seven hundred and run 131 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:21.439 your game with prize Picks. 132 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.839 All right, sorry, jam pack night last night in the 133 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:29.639 world of both local and college or excuse me, local 134 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:33.959 and national college basketball, in addition to what's going on 135 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:36.560 in the world of pro basketball with Utah Jazz and 136 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:38.839 the NBA. So let's run down a couple of storylines 137 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:43.040 last night. So, the Sacramento Kings were in town. They 138 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.160 swept the Jazz this year. They won all four games 139 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.839 against the Jazz this year, and ultimately it's not really 140 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:51.319 germane to anything that's real. So it doesn't matter if 141 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:53.160 the Jazz winner lose these games, or excuse me, it 142 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:55.199 doesn't matter if the Jazz are losing all these games. 143 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:56.759 We know what time it is, we know what the 144 00:06:56.839 --> 00:06:57.759 Jazz are trying to do. 145 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.959 But when something happens that is of note hashtag take 146 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:05.000 note see what I did that is actually real, it's 147 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:06.839 important to kind of dig into what it could mean 148 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:10.079 for the future of this basketball team. As the theme 149 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:12.560 on our show when we cover the Utah Jazz is 150 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:14.680 more of an eye to the future about what it 151 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:16.759 will look like when they're actually good again, and it's 152 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:19.480 more interesting to watch a team that's actually trying to win. 153 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:22.639 This is a tough deal when it comes to the 154 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:26.240 ecosystem of pro basketball. It's a really odd thing that 155 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.000 there's a good portion of the league every single year 156 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:32.560 where the fan base is encouraged to cheer for them 157 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:36.079 to lose. Now, nobody says that out loud, right, but 158 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:39.279 that is the business of basketball. That's the way the 159 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.480 NBA ecosystem has kind of manifested itself over the years 160 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:46.000 as the game has changed, as the players have grown. 161 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:48.800 You could, I was gonna say evolved, but I'm not 162 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:51.519 sure if that's the right term. It's a different day 163 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.600 and age that we're not necessarily all that used to 164 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:56.680 here in the market when it comes to the Utah Jazz. 165 00:07:57.439 --> 00:07:59.480 For a number of different years, we are used to 166 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:02.959 having very good competitive teams, and the way that those 167 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:06.759 teams were built by savvy roster constructors. It's kind of 168 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:10.160 hard to do it that way anymore. With players' ability 169 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.879 and willingness and desire to leave more often than we're 170 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.639 accustomed to here in the market, right and we've experienced 171 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:19.720 it a ton really, John and Carl kind of spoiled 172 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:22.199 everybody for the better part of two decades. But you 173 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:24.399 know the stuff with Darren got loose, he was traded, 174 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:26.759 We know the deal with Hayward Donovan. In addition to 175 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.800 go Bear like, a lot of these teams are really 176 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:32.120 really good, were broken down or players just decided to bounce, 177 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:34.759 and so it's a tough thing. And I keep drawing 178 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:37.919 the parallel of this essentially being a project like building 179 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:40.399 a home, where this is only the foundation. You can 180 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:44.440 barely see anything above ground. Right now, yeahs are fourteen 181 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:46.960 and forty four. They're the worst team of the Western Conference. 182 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:50.120 They're the second worst team in Pro basketball. The Washington 183 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.120 Wizards have that honor right now. And there's not going 184 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:54.639 to be a lot of winning down the stretch, and 185 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:56.399 there is going to be a lot of minutes available 186 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:59.120 for young players. But what happened last night at the 187 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.679 Delta Center, with the game that Walker Kessler had is 188 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:06.360 important to kind of acknowledge as far as how historically 189 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:09.879 special it was. There are two players in NBA history 190 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:13.120 who did what Walker did last night. Those players in 191 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.559 Nicola jokicch and Wilt Chamberlain. Walker Kestler in thirty four 192 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:18.399 minutes was ten of ten from the floor. He made 193 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:22.679 every single shot, mostly layups and dunks. He had fourteen boards, 194 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:25.840 He had twenty five points. He had five assists, two steals, 195 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:28.799 no block shots, which was odd, but two players in 196 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:30.799 NBA history have had games where it had gone for 197 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.759 at least twenty five points, at least fourteen rebounds, They've 198 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.200 had at least five assists while making every shot they 199 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:40.039 took from the floor with at least ten field goal attempts, 200 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:42.440 and now Walker is on that list with Wil Chamberlain 201 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:45.360 and Nicola Jokicch. He was five of seven from the line, 202 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:47.279 so you'd love to see the improvement from the line. 203 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:50.080 Didn't have any block shots officially, but changed a ton 204 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:53.000 and was a menace in the paint. But my favorite 205 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:55.799 part about what happened last night is that it was 206 00:09:55.879 --> 00:10:00.480 against Demo Sabonis. Okay, so Sabonis is is a three 207 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:02.360 time All Star. You could have made the argument that 208 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:04.519 he should have been an All Star this year, and 209 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:07.559 oftentimes when Walker's had really good games this year, if 210 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:09.679 we're honest, it's a bit. It's been against teams that 211 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:12.240 don't have great bigs, and Walker should be out playing 212 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:14.879 some of these bigs that he's going up against. But 213 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:18.159 Demanas Sabonis has owned the Utah Jazz over the past 214 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:22.480 four or five years, and Walker outplayed him by every 215 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:25.039 measurable metric. And if you watch the game, soa Bonus 216 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:28.679 looked frustrated because Walker was doing everything that Will has 217 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:32.360 asked him to do. It was kind of a rows 218 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:35.000 on top of this thing, right, because Walker's been good 219 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.840 all year long, and last night, I think was a 220 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:40.240 game that got Walker a lot of national attention as 221 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:42.559 a result of it being historic and a lot of 222 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:44.600 people talking about it as far as what Walker was 223 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:46.000 able to do. Now, of course it came in a 224 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:48.120 losing effort, but if you guys listen to this show, 225 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.919 you know that I'm on board with this endeavor to 226 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:53.919 lose because that's the necessity. Even though it's really weird 227 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:56.679 to ask your fan base to cheer for losses. It's 228 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.159 counterintuitive to what we do and who we are as 229 00:10:59.200 --> 00:10:59.840 sports fans. 230 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:01.320 Actually want your team to lose. 231 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:04.480 I hope at some point the NBA finds their way 232 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:07.240 out of this where, like I said, every single year, 233 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:10.039 like a third of the league isn't even trying because 234 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:12.840 what it does is it dilutes some of the greatness 235 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:16.519 at the top. So Cleveland and Oklahoma City are both 236 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:18.679 on pace to win more than seventy games this year. 237 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.799 That's never happened in pro basketball. But when you look 238 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.559 at the landscape of the league, we have elite teams 239 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:27.279 at the top, but it's hard to tell just how 240 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:30.960 elite they are because the Jazz, the Pelicans, now the 241 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.519 Spurs they've joined in. Speaking of the Spurs, they've lost 242 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.440 four straight games. Greg Popovich addressed his team last night 243 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.799 and said he is not coming back. The Blazers have 244 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.039 actually put some things together. But in the West, you 245 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.000 at least have three or four teams that are completely 246 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:48.960 unserious about winning. And in the East it's kind of 247 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:50.840 the same deal, and you have other teams that have 248 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.799 joined the fray. Like, what does Philly do at this point? 249 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.159 My guess is they probably just allow mb to have surgery. 250 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:01.519 They've lost nine straight games. Paul George cannot look less 251 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:07.440 interested in playing basketball. But Washington unserious, Charlotte unserious, Toronto unserious, 252 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.000 Philly now has joined that mix, and Brooklyn is also 253 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:13.559 in the same spot where they're just simply not trying 254 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.519 to win. Now, occasionally teams will rise up and start 255 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:18.279 playing a little bit better here or there. I don't 256 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:20.240 know what to make of the heat. What are they doing? 257 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:22.720 Are they trying to get in the lottery sweepstakes? But 258 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.799 you have basically a third of the league unseious about winning, 259 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:29.080 and what it does is it makes it really hard 260 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:31.080 to analyze just how good the top of the league is, 261 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.440 Like is Oklahoma City, is the Cleveland Cavaliers? Are they 262 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:40.840 really historically special or are they just essentially capitalizing on 263 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:43.600 the modern landscape of pro basketball where a lot of 264 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:47.200 teams aren't even trying to win, right? And so when 265 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:48.759 it comes to what the Jazz are trying to do, 266 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:50.960 the only way to kind of cover this thing that 267 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:53.799 makes sense in my mind is to analyze who could 268 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:55.919 be around when they're good again, and then talk about 269 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:58.559 when certain moments manifests that are pretty exciting with the 270 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:02.279 young players. Moment that manifested for Walker Kesher last night 271 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:04.960 at the Delta Center was really cool, really happy for 272 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:06.879 him because he's had a great year and he's answered 273 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:10.000 a lot of questions after a down year when it 274 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.919 comes to what he did during his sophomore campaign. All Right, 275 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.879 So University of Utah was at McHale last night, and 276 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:20.080 you know, this is a tough place to play. It's 277 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:23.399 a really difficult, difficult venue. But it's also a really, 278 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:27.840 really good basketball team. And of course, the storyline surrounding 279 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:31.759 Utah basketball isn't one game against Arizona. It's the situation 280 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:34.960 with Craig Smith, who has been let go from his 281 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.879 job as the head coach of the University of Utah 282 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.919 men's basketball team. So this was the first team, first 283 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.559 time we saw that team without Craig, and you know, 284 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:46.960 I kind of drew the parallel yesterday. This feels a 285 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.360 little bit like the Mike Bajakian stuff when Mike Baijakian 286 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:54.679 took over for coach Lud and Mike was very honest 287 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.639 during his first media availability, essentially said, look, this is 288 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.200 this is Andy system, this is coach Luedwig system. I'm 289 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:03.000 not going to come in and try to change everything. 290 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:05.519 And it's like, well, what exactly was Mike supposed to 291 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.399 find the coach lud could not find? And it feels 292 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:10.360 kind of the same thing with coach Eiler right now 293 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:12.360 as the interim head coach, and of course he's hearing 294 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:14.480 all the rumors about Alex Jensen and whether or not 295 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:17.679 ultimately he even has a chance to get this job. 296 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.320 I don't think that he does, but that's just me. 297 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.679 I could be wrong. Arizona won the game eighty three 298 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.799 to sixty six. A couple of takeaways, it looks like 299 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:30.000 maybe coach Eiler, Josh Eiler, is a little bit higher 300 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:32.440 on Keana Daz than maybe Craig was. Keana got a 301 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:34.600 lot of minutes, and he was the one ut that 302 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.799 looked like he belonged athletically. He had eighteen points, he 303 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:39.799 had ten boards, He was six of eight from the floor, 304 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:42.159 hit all five of his three free throws. You know, 305 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:44.879 Gabe couldn't really get any space. He was two of ten. 306 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.159 Ezra just struggles against teams with length because while he 307 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:51.080 is very savvy and crafty with great footwork and can 308 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:53.559 finish with both hands, he's just not very tall and 309 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:55.399 so when you run into players that are just simply 310 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:57.120 longer than you, as was going to struggle. That's why 311 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:00.240 I don't think he's an NBA guy. But really cool 312 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:02.519 scene after the game and we'll play this sound a 313 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:04.320 little bit later on before we get out of here. 314 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:08.639 If you miss Tommy Lloyd on Craig Smith's sons showing up, 315 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:11.600 and if you didn't know, Craig's oldest son, Landon is 316 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:14.399 the team director of operations and his middle son, Brady 317 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:18.440 is currently a walk on for the Utes. His youngest son, Carson, 318 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.360 is at North Dakota State. Carson played basketball for Mike 319 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:25.039 Maxwell at Bountiful, so got. 320 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:25.759 To know him a little bit. 321 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:29.200 But it was a really, really cool moment because if 322 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:31.519 you have been listening to the show as far as 323 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:33.480 how we've handled the news that Craig has been let 324 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:36.240 go from his job, I really when it comes to 325 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:40.120 stuff like this, I try very hard, even though you 326 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:43.240 as the listener and you as a Utah basketball fan, 327 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:46.840 you're your interest is simply what's next for the program 328 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:48.720 I care about, and who's going to be the coach 329 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:50.840 and is it the right hire? And I get that, 330 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:52.759 and obviously that'll be the bulk of the coverage, but 331 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:55.480 there is a human side of this stuff that we 332 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:57.720 just don't do a good enough job covering in the 333 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:01.240 media in my opinion, and Craig and his wife you know, 334 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:04.120 of course the five million dollars parachute helps out. But 335 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:07.399 these are good people, right and their kids, their children 336 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:10.240 are going to be affected. But what Tommy Lloyd had 337 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:12.600 to say about Craig's kids showing up last night is 338 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:13.360 worth your time. 339 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:16.080 He got emotional, I mean he was. 340 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:19.320 He had to compose himself as after they found out 341 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:22.360 their father lost his job. Landon still still have a 342 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.279 job to do. You're the director of operations, Brady. You 343 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:27.080 got to show up. You're a walk on with the utes, 344 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:29.840 you know. So they showed up, they did their job 345 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:32.320 and I'm sure there you know, there was a lump 346 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:35.360 in their throat probably all week long. So that to 347 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:38.039 me was the coolest moment last night. What Tommy Lloyd 348 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:39.720 had to say about Craig's kids showing up. 349 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:42.159 We'll play that sound for you a little bit later on. 350 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:44.519 BYU was able to get a win last night against 351 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:49.200 Arizona State. Arizona State had five scholarship players available. They 352 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:52.240 only had eight players dressed on the bench, and essentially 353 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:54.799 they were short handed, but BYU could not miss. They 354 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:58.000 had seventeen threes, they had twenty one assists, and Richie 355 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:01.960 Saunders continues to play his way into consideration for probably 356 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.400 first team All Big Twelve. Quite frankly, twenty six points 357 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.599 for Richie, had six threes, trevennel five of six from three. 358 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:09.960 They went seventeen or thirty four as a team from three. 359 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:13.279 You're gonna beat everybody if you do that. So BYU 360 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:15.279 was able to get the win. They've won five straight 361 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:19.559 games now. They've gone three straight games with ninety plus points, 362 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:23.240 with more than twelve three point shots, made less than 363 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:25.880 twelve turnovers, while shooting fifty percent from the floor. You 364 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:29.079 know when the last time that has happened. Not this century, 365 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:33.240 It's been that long. So BYU is playing really good basketball. 366 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:35.519 Utah stay with a tough loss against Boise State. With 367 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:38.400 that loss, according to Joe Lonardi, has to remove Utah 368 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:41.559 State from the quote lock line on his bracketology. So 369 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:44.680 a lot of basketball last night, fun basketball night last night. 370 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.440 Jazz are off tonight. We'll get to what's next as 371 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.400 far as the game's coming up. 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Try to qualify for the postseason. 404 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.519 The stretch run is on our Next guest joins us 405 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:19.759 on a weekly basis to educate us on the world 406 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:22.400 of pro hockey, Neil Smith on a Thursday afternoon. 407 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:24.279 Neil Happy, So Thursday, sir, how are you. 408 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.680 I'm good things Spence House, things out there. 409 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:30.519 Things are good. Things are good. This little hockey club 410 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:31.759 is making some noise, you know. 411 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:34.400 And by the way I buried the lead, you should 412 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:36.640 know that Bill Armstrong just had the kindest things to 413 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:39.119 say about you when he joined us this week. When 414 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:42.519 I told him that you stopped by on a weekly basis, 415 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:45.359 he was very effusive with his praise and said he'd 416 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:46.880 looked up to you quite a bit when you were 417 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:47.880 doing your thing back in the day. 418 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:48.640 I thought you'd like to. 419 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:51.279 Know that well, that's very kind of him. I'm not 420 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:54.599 sure if we've met personally or you know, everybody in 421 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:58.000 hockey knows each other in some way, shape or form, 422 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:01.079 but no, I admire that job that he's done with 423 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:04.400 Arizona and now with Utah. Soho, it's nice. It's always 424 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:07.319 nice to hear something nicely said about you, isn't it? 425 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:08.519 For sure? For sure? 426 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.200 And this club, you know, as of Laid, we've got 427 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.559 five and two in the last seven, three and one 428 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:16.880 in the last four. And Neil, I'll give you the credit, man, 429 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:20.839 they're right where you said they would be. But you know, 430 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:24.119 as you've kind of watched them and study them, what 431 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:25.960 what do you think is clicked as of Laid that's 432 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:28.920 allowed them to kind of run off this five wins 433 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:30.839 in seven games stretch or is it just kind of 434 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:34.319 getting healthy and kind of you know, just jelling at 435 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:34.920 the right time. 436 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:38.519 Well, the one thing that I think with this team 437 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:41.400 is that they've gotten as they've gotten older, as the 438 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:44.640 season's gone on, as we all have. But as they've 439 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:47.240 matured as a team, they're a lot more disciplined than 440 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:48.960 they were at the beginning of the season. Do you 441 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.880 remember how we talked about early in the year, but 442 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:55.880 they were taking undisciplined penalties, and they were blowing leads 443 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:58.000 and and things like this. What I think now is 444 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:01.559 that they're much more disciplined team coming down the stretch, 445 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:04.279 and that's a credit to the coach that's then the 446 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.359 coaching staff that's gotten them to that point where we 447 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.079 know they're a young team, but they're staying more disciplined, 448 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:12.839 I think than they were earlier. 449 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:16.599 So Bill was very honest when I asked him about 450 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.079 the trade deadline, which is just about a week away, 451 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:23.680 and he essentially said that, yes, there are deals out 452 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:26.799 there that he's having discussions about, and we don't know 453 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:29.119 if they're going to do anything. One thing that he 454 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:32.480 certainly said that stood out to me is they will 455 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:35.000 not be in the market for a rental, right, So 456 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:38.559 meaning even though they're close to the wildcard, they're not 457 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:41.680 going to sacrifice this long term plan in the name 458 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:44.200 of bringing in a player just to get them into 459 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:46.920 the wild card this year. But as a guy that's 460 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:50.319 been in the rooms where it happens, right, tell us 461 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:53.519 kind of what you believe the conversations are right now 462 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:55.720 with Utah Hockey Club. Is they weigh out the pros 463 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:58.240 and cons of either making a move or standing pat. 464 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:05.039 I think probably the GMS are calling, uh, Bill and saying, 465 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:08.720 you know, what are you going to do? Are you 466 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:12.359 going to trade some of your older guys or one 467 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:15.920 of your older guys and build up some chips for 468 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:19.240 later down the road, or are you going to be 469 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:21.400 looking to do nothing and just stay pat and see 470 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:25.039 what happens, or are you gonna I would doubt very 471 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:27.640 much that Bill would want to bring in a player 472 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:29.680 at this point. That would be silly because even if 473 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:32.319 you can make the playoffs and last one round and 474 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:34.880 you've lost the drastick or a young player, it's just 475 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:38.839 not worth it. So yeah, I would I would say 476 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:43.119 that there's calls coming in for his guys, for his 477 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:45.759 you know, for his guys is unrestricted at the end 478 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:46.160 of the year. 479 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:50.000 We've talked quite a bit about the goalie situation because 480 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:53.559 I do find it pretty interesting where Connor Ingram was 481 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.559 the dude last year, the first choice goalie last year, 482 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.000 and then started the season as the first choice goalie, 483 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:02.279 didn't work out great and then he got hurt. And 484 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:05.400 I think I read that Vimalica has now started three 485 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.359 straight games. That's the first time that either of the 486 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:11.240 two have had three straight starts ever since they went 487 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.200 to the back and forth dynamic. Does it feel like 488 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:16.480 Vimeilica is kind of locked in that first choice goalie 489 00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:17.440 spot at this point? 490 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:21.759 I think so. That's what I think that he has, 491 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:29.759 and that's credit to him. And unfortunately, you know, he 492 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:33.839 has played really well, and his partner there, Connor Ingram, 493 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:35.920 who was slated to be number one, as you said, 494 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:40.200 hasn't played as well. So now you've got a situation 495 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:42.759 where I think that the Milka is the go to 496 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:44.759 guy from my advantage point. 497 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:49.240 All right, before we get to tonight, because Minnesota is 498 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:51.279 in town and that's a good team, I want to 499 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:54.119 do a little exercise here where we find ourselves with 500 00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:57.519 the Utah Hockey Club on sixty one points, three point 501 00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:01.480 shy of Calgary, four point shy of Vancouver, nine shy 502 00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:02.720 of Colorado. 503 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:03.680 Only one ahead of Saint Louis. 504 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:06.680 So I want to talk about the teams that they're 505 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:10.480 kind of existing with right now in this ecosystem and 506 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:13.119 whether or not you think that the Utah Hockey Club 507 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:15.799 can rise up and maybe get enough points to pass them. 508 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:18.000 But let's start with a team that's right behind them. 509 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.920 One point behind Utah is Saint Louis and they've just 510 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:24.599 kind of been okay all year. And you look at 511 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:28.119 the home record, the road record the last ten and 512 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:30.279 if you stretch it back even to the last twenty, 513 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:33.400 it's about a five hundred club. But they're on Utah 514 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:35.240 Hockey Club's heels. Is this a team you think that 515 00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:37.160 the hockey club needs to be concerned about when it 516 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:38.319 comes to the wildcard race. 517 00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:41.480 I think they've got to be concerned about everybody, but 518 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:43.680 they've got to concentrate mostly on just winning their own 519 00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:46.440 games and not watching the scoreboard, the other town scoreboard, 520 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:49.920 because if you start doing that, you'll throw you off 521 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:53.279 of what you're doing from day to day. I think 522 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:55.839 Saint Louis is a team that I don't see making it, 523 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.480 and I know that their plan is Doug Armstrong his 524 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.599 plan to have a really good team in a couple 525 00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:03.440 of years from now. So he's not going to do 526 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.559 anything to try to bolster's team to get into the 527 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:09.519 playoffs this year. He's going to be like just like 528 00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:12.039 Bill Armstrong. I think that he's going to ride it 529 00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:13.960 out and if they're not able to make it, well, 530 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:17.119 they're still they're closer to being what they want to 531 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:20.519 be than they were a year ago. So I don't 532 00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:22.880 think that they're a team. I don't want to say 533 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:24.480 they're a team you don't worry about. You got to 534 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:29.519 worry about everybody. But it'll take a winning streak and 535 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.200 a little bit of a collapse for Utah to get in. 536 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:34.960 And what I mean by a little bit of a collapse, 537 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:39.240 you know, if Calgary's winning right now, Vancouver's you know, 538 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.720 sort of win one lose one type thing, one of 539 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.440 those two teams has got to sort of start to fall. 540 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.960 And at the same time, Utah has got to win, 541 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:53.680 win their games, especially especially their games against Vancouver, Calgary, 542 00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:57.160 Saint Louis Anaheim, those teams that are clumped in there 543 00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:00.000 with them trying to get into those wild card positions 544 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:01.759 of the two. 545 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:03.359 I'll ask the question this way. 546 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.119 So Calgary has a three point lead on Utah Hockey Club, 547 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:10.079 but they also have two games in hand. They played 548 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:14.240 fifty seven games, Utah has played fifty nine. Vancouver has 549 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:17.759 a four point lead with one game in hand. They've 550 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.559 played fifty eight. Utah's played fifty nine of those two 551 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:22.960 Vancouver or Calgary who do you think is more likely 552 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:25.640 to kind of fall for the hockey club to take 553 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:26.160 advantage of. 554 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.640 You know, I think I would say Calgary. They weren't 555 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:34.759 even thought of to be They were thought of to 556 00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.279 be in a total rebuild this year. But they started 557 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.160 off the year really well and they've done a cove 558 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:45.720 accomplished this year is really good. Vancouver is an anomably 559 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.200 because they won their division last year. They were supposed 560 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.319 to be again really better this year. They've had some 561 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:55.880 internal problems. They ended up trading JT. Miller away to 562 00:26:55.960 --> 00:27:00.559 solve their locker room problems. You know, be either one. 563 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.240 Quinn Hughes's health is in question. He's a He's their 564 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:08.000 best defenseman, maybe their best player Norris Trophy last season. 565 00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:11.400 He just came back into the lineup yesterday. They had 566 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.799 a big win after being down to nothing. They beat 567 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:19.640 Los Angeles Kings and in overtime, So that that's big 568 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.079 for them. Anytime you know you can get those two 569 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.759 points and not just get one, you're better off. Let 570 00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:27.799 me mention one other thing is that when Utah plays 571 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.880 these teams like Calgary, Light Bank, whover like Saint Louis, 572 00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:34.559 they got to make sure they win in regulation and 573 00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:37.440 not let that team even get a point because it's 574 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.839 a slow slog. If teams around you were always getting 575 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:43.680 a point in every game, you want to make it 576 00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:46.079 so that they don't get anything and you get two. 577 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.880 And I know that's hard to do, but that's that 578 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:50.759 should be the goal. 579 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.200 I'll ask you about two more teams kind of in 580 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.519 this area, because both the Avs and the Kings are 581 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:00.880 on seventy. Now that's a that's a tough fast because 582 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.200 that's a nine point gap with about twenty two to 583 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:06.799 twenty three games left, depending on who we're talking about. 584 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.119 But give me your thoughts on where we find ourselves 585 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.400 with the Avalanche and the Kings, and you think either 586 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:13.359 of those two might come back down to earth a 587 00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:15.920 little bit for any of the teams behind them to 588 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.480 catch them in either the wild card or in the 589 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:19.640 in the divisional race. 590 00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:23.359 My honest opinion is that the top seven are locked 591 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.440 in Okay, and that at Colorado is there are just 592 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:28.880 a couple of years from a Stanley Cup. LA Kings 593 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.400 have had a real good season. I don't see them 594 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:35.079 slowing down. I really don't see anybody coming back in 595 00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:37.720 that in this mix, even Minnesota wild who I know 596 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.319 is there tonight in Utah. The only thing I can 597 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:45.759 say is that Utah's got to jump over Calgary and Vancouvery. 598 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:47.759 Those are the two that you mentioned, and you're right on. 599 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:50.039 They got to They got to jump over those two. 600 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.039 The one good thing, by the way, is the home 601 00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:57.400 record is getting better. They you know, they won their 602 00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:02.359 what was it they won their last home games, which 603 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:05.359 was which was really good? Where was I had that 604 00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.559 up there? But anyway, that didn't they just win Yeah, 605 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:10.000 their last ye they've. 606 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:11.759 They've won three straight. If we go back to the 607 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:13.039 Flyers game, they've won three straight. 608 00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:17.000 Yeah, right, which is great because you know, you need 609 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:18.839 to get that home record better. Not to say that 610 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:20.680 you can afford to lose on the road. You can't. 611 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:23.599 It was a huge win against Washington. I listened to 612 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.720 that game that was on Super Bowl Sunday. They played Washington. 613 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:29.880 They ended up winning in a shootout. They should have 614 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:32.440 won during regulation. But the Caps are a great team. 615 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:35.359 But that was a big win and a big shot 616 00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.119 of confidence for those young guys to beat the best 617 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.319 team in the league, Winnipeg and Washington. As we've talked about, 618 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:44.039 best in the East. Is Washington best in the West 619 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.559 is Winnipeg. That that was that was big. And they 620 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:52.559 didn't embarrass themselves in l A either. The following you know, 621 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:57.720 the following Saturday, they played pretty well, and you know, 622 00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.119 they won two games that they had to win. They 623 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.440 beat Vancouver, they beat Chicago. If they can win tonight, 624 00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:06.640 it's great. They just got to keep it going. And 625 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:10.559 Minnesota's banged up, so this may be an opportunity. 626 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:13.319 So that's where I wanted to go next. You referenced 627 00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:16.519 Minnesota coming in with some injuries. They're on seventy two points, 628 00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:18.880 and as you reference, and you're probably right if you 629 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.000 just do simple math, it feels like the top seven 630 00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.599 locked in. But tell us about this wild team. What 631 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:25.359 is the U Talkie Club up against tonight. 632 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:31.359 Well, they're very good defensive team and they can shut 633 00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:34.079 you down and they've got some great offensive weapons. But 634 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:39.920 they have had injuries, and Capriso is injured. He's not 635 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.839 he hasn't been playing for a while now. He was 636 00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:47.839 an MVP candidate, So that's that's a tough break for Minnesota, 637 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.039 who's so good defensively, and then had that sniper as 638 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:55.599 well to use in the games and was really playing 639 00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:59.240 well this season. Minnesota, as I said, is if they're 640 00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:05.079 well coached, there they've got they can shut you down. Now, 641 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:08.119 it's going to be hard because Utah's a pretty good 642 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:12.119 scoring team. They've got a lot of weapons at their disposal. 643 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:18.359 But as I said, they've got Caprice off is out 644 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.440 and Joel ericson Eck is also out, and Brian Hartman 645 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.960 is suspended from something he did a couple of weeks ago. 646 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.400 So you know what, Utah's got an opportunity here and 647 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:31.799 they got to take advantage of it. 648 00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.799 All right, So let's just talk big picture now, trade 649 00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:40.279 deadline stuff. On January the thirty first, the league and 650 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:44.359 the NHLPA announced an agreement to create what's called increased predictability. 651 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.240 I've never heard that before about the salary cap over 652 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:50.000 the next three seasons. They're looking for a new collective 653 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.240 bargaining agreement, which expires after twenty five to twenty six. 654 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:55.480 So the CAP's going up. I don't know how much 655 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:56.119 of this has. 656 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.279 To do with the recent buzz created by four nations, 657 00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:01.480 but ninety five point five next year, then it's one 658 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:04.799 oh four and then one thirteen point five. These are predictions, 659 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.599 not set in Stone. So do you think the new 660 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:11.640 numbers are going to motivate you know, executives, guys that 661 00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:13.359 did the job you did once upon a time to 662 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:16.599 make more moves prior to the March seventh deadline. And 663 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:19.200 if so, which teams and players do you think could 664 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:19.799 be involved. 665 00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:25.480 I don't know that that that uh predicting that the 666 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:27.839 cap going up is going to unpact the trade deadline. 667 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:29.799 I think that that's going to impact the free agency 668 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.480 that they in the summer when they depend upon the 669 00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.240 cap going up so they can give a longer term 670 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:38.720 deal or a deal with more money in it than 671 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:42.319 perhaps is reasonable if the cap doesn't go up. But 672 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:44.519 I would say for Utah, I would I would look 673 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:50.240 at these guys to perhaps be moved because they're unrestricted. 674 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:54.559 And that's Alex Kerfoot, Nick Bukstad who's been around a while. 675 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.240 He's thirty two, but he's he would be a good, 676 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:03.319 you know, centerment on any playoff team. Car Cone is, 677 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.000 you know, maybe a fourth line center. He's a he's 678 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:08.480 a total free agent. And then a couple of guys 679 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.720 that have been around a while, Ian Cole who's also 680 00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.920 one of Stanley Cup and Oly Matta. Both of these 681 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:18.759 guys are free agents. So what's gonna happen is Bill 682 00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.880 Armstrong's going to say at the trade deadline, if I 683 00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:29.000 can get something for Cole or Mada or Bukestat or 684 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.559 somebody else, that I got to do it, because I 685 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:33.680 may get nothing for them as they walk away in 686 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.640 the summer. So if he doesn't feel that he can sign, 687 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:39.920 for example, Kerfoot, he doesn't feel that's going the right way, 688 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:43.440 you might see him move Kerfoot to get something so 689 00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:46.200 that he doesn't lose him for nothing when the summer comes. 690 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.319 So as far as the teams you would consider like 691 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.599 fringe contenders, and I've got the odds up the current 692 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.920 odds to win the Stanley Cobb. And when it comes 693 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.319 to teams that are like right on the outside looking in, 694 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.920 it looks like at this point Edmonton is your favorite, 695 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:07.000 Carolina is right behind them. Then it's the Panthers, the Stars, 696 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.440 the Capitals, and the Jets in that order. 697 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:11.679 So when you look at the group. 698 00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:14.480 Like among the favorites or fringe favorites, who do you 699 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:16.639 think potentially could make a deal and are there big 700 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:18.400 names out there available to be had? 701 00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.480 You know, I think you'll see Florida do something going 702 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.519 into the playoffs because they're you know, they're primed to 703 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:27.840 try to win it again and they and they certainly 704 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:33.239 do have that opportunity. I think Vegas is always they're 705 00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:35.719 always making deals, and they seem to be making the 706 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.079 right ones at the right times. Kevin Chevalteoff is a 707 00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.159 conservative guy in Winnipeg, you know, the general manager, and 708 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.400 he's sitting pretty right now. I don't know how much 709 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:49.239 you'll want to change. You might want to just fortify 710 00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:54.079 what he's already got. And Washington Dallas has already done 711 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.480 their job when they got when they made the trade 712 00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.000 with San Jose to get Grenlin and they get see 713 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.159 the defenseman. So they're fortified right now. But you know, 714 00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:09.239 anything is possible that guys could still make moves just 715 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.519 to give themselves some fortification going forward. Don't count Carolina 716 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.079 out either of making another deal, even though they made 717 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:18.559 the biggest deal in a couple of years. They've already 718 00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:22.360 made during the season. Caroline is always going for it, 719 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.480 and I wouldn't be surprised to see them do something. 720 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.239 Tell me, let's do a couple more big picture things 721 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.880 for us, all youlerse give me the most surprising team, 722 00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.920 the Neil Smith, most surprising team in the NHL this year, 723 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.679 and the most disappointing team in pro hockey this year. 724 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.159 I think that's an easy question. I got to tell you. 725 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:47.880 The Washington Capitals have gone from getting into the playoffs 726 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:50.159 by the skin and their teeth last year and then 727 00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.920 losing four straight to the Rangers in the first round 728 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.039 to now being, you know, right up there as we've 729 00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.039 talked about with Winnipeg and a chance to win the 730 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.119 President's Trophy first of the thirty two teams. So that 731 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.840 team has been absolutely amazing, the turnaround that they've done 732 00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:10.639 from last year this year and set coming in second, 733 00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:13.199 of course is Winnipeg because they've had as tremendous year, 734 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:17.159 but they're not as unexpected as Washington. On the other 735 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:22.239 end of the scale is the Nashville Predators, who everybody 736 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.440 thought had fortified their team. They'd spent a ton of 737 00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:28.159 money in the summer, they got people like Steven Stamcos 738 00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:32.920 and Brady Shay and Marciusso and this, and they have 739 00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:35.599 fallen on their face and they're not going to make 740 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:41.880 the playoffs. They're just a huge disappointment as far as 741 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:44.760 what the experts would have expected that they were going 742 00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:46.119 to do after the summer they had. 743 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:50.280 We oftentimes talk about and I started the show off 744 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.519 with this today. You know, we have a situation currently 745 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.800 with our basketball team where they're not trying to win, 746 00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:59.920 and they're not alone. About a third of the NBA 747 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:03.039 every single year, neil as a result of just the 748 00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:06.360 structure of the league and how it's built and you know, 749 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.880 the ability to find talent via the draft, about a 750 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.119 third of the teams in pro basketball when you look 751 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.039 at kind of the landscape of the league, roughly a 752 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:16.039 third of the teams just not even trying to win 753 00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:19.679 and not even you know, hiding it. Quite frankly, Nobody 754 00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:21.840 comes out and says we're tanking. Nobody says that he 755 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.599 comes out and says we're trying to lose. Instead, they 756 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:27.320 say things like we're leaning into development and we're playing 757 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.880 young players. Is that as commonplace in pro hockey? Like 758 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:33.639 when there's an elite prospect available in the draft, do 759 00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:36.199 you see a good portion of the league. Because NHL 760 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.039 players are wired different than NBA players And we've talked 761 00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:41.639 about it a bunch after the Four Nation stuff, but 762 00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:43.920 is that a thing in hockey the way it is 763 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.840 in basketball, where teams try to position themselves to lose 764 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:48.800 on purpose to draft a high level prospect. 765 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:55.000 Well, that doesn't go by individual game in the NHL, 766 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.559 for sure, because you can't control the players. The players 767 00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:59.320 are always going to try to win. The coach is 768 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:01.719 always going to try to win. That they're that's inbred 769 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:04.239 into them, and you wouldn't want it players that didn't 770 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:08.679 have that in them. But organizations will start to do 771 00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:11.840 things like San Jose this year traded Michael Granlin and 772 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.239 Cody cec As. I said to Dallas, those are two 773 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.840 of their top players. While they're doing that for their 774 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:20.800 future and they're they're down in the bottom of the league, 775 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.400 and they're happy to be down in the bottom of 776 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.840 the league as a management, as an executive level, because 777 00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.440 they want to build up towards something very special down 778 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:32.119 the road. Chicago is sort of in the same boat. 779 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:34.800 Those two teams, I would say, are the two that 780 00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:40.440 really they're not trying to lose, but they're They're game 781 00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:43.079 plan was tear it down and then build it back 782 00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.519 up with young players through the draft. But in the NHL, 783 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.679 i'd say they're the only two this year that you 784 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:53.280 can point to. Anaheim is is down there a little bit, 785 00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:58.360 but they you know, they've they're they've been respectable. But 786 00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.440 you've got some other teams. I should have mentioned, by 787 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.159 the way, the Pittsburgh Penguins, to put them in with 788 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.360 Nashville as the most disappointing team in the league. Here's 789 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:11.199 a team that has Sydney Crosby, Malcolm Lettang, and Eric 790 00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:15.679 Carlson for future Hall of famers. You can bet on 791 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:17.400 that they are all going into the Hall of Fame. 792 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:21.039 And yet Pittsburgh's in last in the Eastern Conference and 793 00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:26.239 just had some horrible performances this season. So they are 794 00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.519 another big disappointment in the league. But as far as 795 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:32.239 your question about tanking or not trying to win, that 796 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.280 doesn't go on a night to night basis, but it 797 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:39.199 can be the game plan of the management, as you said, 798 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:43.800 to play young players, trade away their veteran players. You're 799 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:45.199 not going to win a lot of games if you 800 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.360 don't have guys that have been around for a while. 801 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.840 So that does happen in the league, but not a 802 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:53.360 lot of teams. So not like you're talking about I asked. 803 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.719 If I asked you to pick right now, your favorite 804 00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:57.840 to come out of both conferences, the East and the West. 805 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:06.880 I'm still gonna lean. I'm going to glean with Florida still. 806 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.840 I just think there's such a playoff team and I 807 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:15.119 think Winnipeg. And I know it's crazy, maybe because Winnipeg's 808 00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:18.039 never been in the final, but boy, I watched them 809 00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:21.159 again last night and they are really really good there. 810 00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.840 You and I have talked about it many times. They're 811 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:28.400 a great team. So I'll just call those two Florida 812 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:29.280 and Winnipeg. Yeah. 813 00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.559 I mean they've won eleven straight. They're differentials plus seventy three. 814 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.880 I mean, that's got to mean something. It's wild nil, it. 815 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.360 Does, it does. The problem. The problem is that it 816 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:41.320 went out in the first round last year to Colorado, 817 00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.719 and so now everybody's going, well, that's great, you're having 818 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:46.679 a great regular season, but let's see what you can 819 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:49.239 do in the playoffs. Come you know, they've got that 820 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:51.760 sort of hanging around their neck right now, so we'll see. 821 00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:54.320 I hope for them for Scott Arneil, the coach has 822 00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:58.199 done a great job and the Mark seife Lee and 823 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:02.480 his crew there that that they are able to do 824 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:04.320 something and they got the best goalie in the world 825 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:08.039 and Connor Hellibuck, the US goalie in the Four Nations, 826 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.480 and I hope for their sake they're able to really 827 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.000 put together a good playoff run. 828 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.679 Where can our new hockey fans in the market go 829 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.440 find that good podcast to yours, Neil. 830 00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:21.280 It's called NHL Wrap Around, and I'm called wrap Around 831 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.159 because we wrap around the entire league and talk about 832 00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.000 all the teams in the league and what's going on 833 00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:29.960 and player injuries, player movements, anything NHL we're talking about, 834 00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:31.679 plus a little bit of history built in you. But 835 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.880 get it on Apple, Amazon, Spotify, YouTube, wherever you go 836 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:39.960 to get a podcast, you can find it there. Give 837 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:42.599 us a chance, give us a subscribe if you will, 838 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.960 and you know what, We're going to keep going with it. 839 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.079 We're having a lot of fun and hopefully a lot 840 00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:50.760 of people are having fun listening to it. 841 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.239 Neil, thank you for the time, sir, I appreciate it. 842 00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:55.239 Have a great week and weekend. We'll chat too. 843 00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:57.920 I look forward to talking to you next week. 844 00:41:57.679 --> 00:41:58.000 All right. 845 00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.000 The great Neil Smith general manager for the New York 846 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.199 Rangers in nineteen ninety four when they lifted Lord Stanley's Cup. 847 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.519 He was a high level scout for the Red Wings 848 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:08.320 and I always appreciate his time on this Thursday afternoon. 849 00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:12.000 All right, time now for your PGA Tour leaderboard update, 850 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:13.480 brought to you by our friends that you went to 851 00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.039 golf check them out online at Worldwide Golf Shops dot 852 00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:19.280 com located at five sixties twenty one hundred South, Randy 853 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:20.840 and got me a new putter. Yeah, you went to 854 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:24.840 last week. We're also in Sandy Riverdale and Orum. This 855 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:26.559 update is brought to you by Titleist. 856 00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:27.239 The new pro V. 857 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.960 One and Nope and new pro v one X brings 858 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.119 you more speed and control than ever now available. You 859 00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:36.119 went to golf shops by world Wide Golf. I got 860 00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:39.760 Vam McMahon on the show today, Tim mcmantal stop by 861 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:44.480 later on. Busy night at basketball, both in the pros 862 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:47.280 and in college last night locally quiet tonight, but the 863 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:50.679 hockey club is in action. Let's welcome in our guy 864 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.480 from the Salt Lake Tribune. Do little jazz and we'll 865 00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.000 do a little rsl T. Here's falling down the cheek, 866 00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.639 Andy Larson on a Thursday. Andy, Happy Thursday, buddy, how 867 00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:03.840 we doing good? I'm good, I'm good. So we all 868 00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:05.519 know what time it is for the Jazz. We all 869 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:09.079 know the deal. Okay, but when cool things happen, let's 870 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:11.159 go ahead and lean into cool things when they happen. 871 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:13.719 And let's lean into what happened last night with Walker Kessler. 872 00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:17.239 And you know, it's not just the numbers, it's not 873 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:20.079 just the history. I mean, historically speaking, that is a 874 00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.880 very special stat line. It's also andy that he did 875 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.920 it against Elmo Sabanis right, like Sabonus excuse me, like 876 00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:29.639 Sabonas has eaten the Jazz up. And he's a really, 877 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:33.360 really good player. And so the Jazz lost, which you 878 00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:36.079 and I have talked about. Let's go on board. But 879 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.559 when cool things happen, let's talk about the cool thing. 880 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:40.639 And what happened with Walker last night was a cool thing. 881 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:42.800 Yes, yeah, And look. 882 00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.639 I mean I think what's really great about Walker as 883 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.840 an offensive player right now is that he's taking advantage 884 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.800 of what the defense gives them. And you know, we've seen, uh, 885 00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.000 there have been a couple of matchups. I think most 886 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.920 of teams against the Jazz is ye are kind of 887 00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:59.000 protecting the paint most of all because most of the 888 00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:05.320 Jazz shooters aren't you know, aren't efficient ones, but Walker. 889 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.800 You know that the Kings protected the perimeter and allowed 890 00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:13.000 Walker to get dunks and lay ups inside. And so yeah, 891 00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:14.920 to go to you know, a perfect one hundred percent 892 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.440 go ten for ten, do something that only two guys 893 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:20.480 in an NBA history have done, Nikola Jokic and Wil 894 00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:25.280 Chamberlain before is pretty cool. And look, he's you know, 895 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:27.960 he's not Wilt, he's not Jokic, but he is a 896 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.239 really you know, useful and good player that I think 897 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.280 is a real building block for this Jazz team and 898 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.320 maybe one of the only building blocks for this Jazz 899 00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:38.239 team is like again they look to put together at 900 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:41.719 their next good contending team, you know, like I think 901 00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.840 to have someone who brings the level of m protection 902 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:48.079 that he does and you know, is a responsible offensive 903 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:52.760 player at that center spot. You know, certainly not wildly talented, 904 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:55.719 but his ads, you know, is is more of an 905 00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:57.920 is adding more than he takes away. I think is 906 00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.239 a great thing. So, you know, props to Walker for 907 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:05.159 kind of figuring out how to get better after that, 908 00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:09.159 you know, rough second season and do what he's done 909 00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:10.320 this year because it's been really good. 910 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:13.239 Let's stay in the space and your answer to this 911 00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.400 question might include a portion of how you just answered 912 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:19.199 my original question. But if we remove the in a 913 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.039 vacuum against the Kings and panned back to all year 914 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:26.119 long with Walker Kessler, forty five games played, forty five starts, 915 00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.239 and you know, you know the numbers, it's about twelve points, 916 00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:33.239 it's about twelve boards, it's over two blocks. What growth 917 00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.920 have you seen specifically, not just against the Kings last night, 918 00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:38.920 but all year long from Walker? Is it more of 919 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:43.360 a approach off the court? Is it adding strength? Is 920 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.199 it just growing as an NBA player? What do you 921 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.639 attribute this growth to year three for Walker Kessler? 922 00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.000 Yeah, I think mentally, honestly is a big for him. 923 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.039 I mean, there were a lot of people who were 924 00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:57.280 really kind of down on him mentally even within the 925 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:01.960 organization last year, right, Like found that whenever something would 926 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:06.119 go wrong for Walker, that would compound itself into not 927 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.000 only kind of the next play, but the next quarter, 928 00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:10.760 the next half, the next game, and kind of things 929 00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:13.159 spiraled a little bit, right And I think the rough 930 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:17.440 team in the USA performance led to a bad season, And 931 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:19.320 I give him a lot of credit kind of for 932 00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.239 kind of working on that game mentally and you know 933 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:24.440 where if he has a bad first half against the 934 00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:26.559 Lakers like he did three weeks ago, then he comes 935 00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.039 back with a really good second half. And that's been 936 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.960 really really different than what he did last year. I 937 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:34.400 think the strength is kind of the biggest physical and 938 00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:38.599 on court thing that you can actually see where he 939 00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:42.119 just is getting. You know, again, where last year loose 940 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.719 balls were kind of fifty to fifty, well, you know, 941 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.159 he kind of tip them and honestly lose them in 942 00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:50.840 a lot of cases, He's ending up using his size 943 00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:52.480 and strength to really protect. 944 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.320 That ball and to get more of those rebounds. 945 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:57.519 He is the leading offensive rebounder in the NBA from 946 00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:00.119 an offensive rebounding percentage point of view, right, Like for 947 00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.079 him to be number one in the league in that 948 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:05.719 category on a bad team, uh, And you know in 949 00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:10.320 a way that he's tasked with a lot from an 950 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:13.360 offensive rebounding responsibility point of view, like I think is 951 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.800 really really impressive. So, yeah, tremendous season from him. I 952 00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:20.039 think you can make a legitimate case he's been the 953 00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:22.199 best Jazz player this year. I'm not sure that I 954 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.760 would totally go that direction, but there certainly is that case, 955 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:30.360 and he you know, again, I think he's a he's 956 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.519 a building block, and you have to be impressed with 957 00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.800 kind of how he rebounded from that from that really 958 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:35.840 pretty ippy year or two. 959 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:40.639 So I've had a couple of guests on including McMahon 960 00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:43.320 who's going to join us later, and then I think 961 00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:47.639 it was Zach Zach Harper this week that have basically 962 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.960 echoed my sentiment, which once upon a time it felt 963 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.360 like there was a lot to like about kJ Martin. 964 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:57.519 And look, man, I don't I'm not trying to stretch 965 00:47:57.519 --> 00:47:59.880 here to make make a topic that's not a topic, 966 00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.960 but based off of some of the underwhelming performances slash 967 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.199 injuries with some of the younger jazz players, it feels 968 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:11.079 like kJ Martin is a player that is worth taking 969 00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.599 a long look at to not just keep around at 970 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.920 the end of the season, but maybe hold on to 971 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:18.519 through the next you know, at the end of next year, 972 00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:22.280 because he is under contract and at times I feel like, 973 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.800 as I've watched him as he's grown throughout the course 974 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:27.159 of his career, there are some things that feel like 975 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:27.760 they're real. 976 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:29.800 So he got the start last night. 977 00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:32.239 I put thirty four minutes in at sixteen points five 978 00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:35.440 boards for assist knocked down a couple of threes. What 979 00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:37.800 do you think about this young player and maybe is 980 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.960 he somebody that we should talk about that they're talking 981 00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:42.519 about as part of the future. 982 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.639 Yeah, I mean he's twenty four, right, so, like he 983 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.639 is in a different kind of age class than the 984 00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.400 rookies and sophomores. And I think you see that in 985 00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.280 kind of the maturity of his game a little bit, right, 986 00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:59.199 Like he is he chased in zac Lavine around screens 987 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:03.480 or Demarcarro around screens yesterday in a way that none 988 00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.400 of the rookies and sophomores are capable of. But they're 989 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.840 also twenty and twenty one years old compared to twenty four, right, 990 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:09.360 and so I'm kind of curious to see, like kind 991 00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:13.159 of how their body changes. kJ is probably the most 992 00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:15.960 athletic player jazz player right now. I mean it's probably 993 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:19.599 between him and maybe John Collins, but John has lost 994 00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:24.599 a lot of athleticism, and then I you know, I 995 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:28.719 think that frankly, just like he does play harder than 996 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:30.840 I think the rookies and sophomores do right now. So 997 00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:36.320 I think there's some growth for them in that spot. 998 00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.000 You know, eight million dollars a year, I would be 999 00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:40.880 I'm interested. You know, you can kind of go either 1000 00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.519 way on his contact, right, Like, I think that's not 1001 00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:45.920 a ton I don't think that's like a crazy contact 1002 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.519 for him. The shooting continues to be the actual worry 1003 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:51.519 of like, hey, can he be a legitimate role player? 1004 00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:53.280 Is he just like connects her? Right? 1005 00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:56.000 But if you have something else to do with that 1006 00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.239 eight million dollars, if you can use it to trade, 1007 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.280 you know, trade for a bad contact and get first 1008 00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.480 round pick and return, I'd probably go that direction personally. 1009 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:08.000 But like, I don't think kJ is nothing either, right, Like, 1010 00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:10.679 I think that he can be a role player on 1011 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:14.679 a decent team. So, you know, I think it's it's 1012 00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:16.599 a good thing that the Jazz have kind of acquired 1013 00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.679 this this really flexible contract and can kind of see 1014 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.440 how he develops over the last twenty four games. But yeah, 1015 00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:26.360 you know, I think I do kind of put kJ 1016 00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:28.760 in kind of the just the guy category because he 1017 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.360 has been moved around so much, because the numbers haven't 1018 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.960 been great, and because you know, again it's just hard 1019 00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.599 to play around a guy who's struggles with shooting the 1020 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:40.199 ball when you do get the good players. But again, 1021 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:43.159 like I don't think like he's overpaid, and I do 1022 00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:46.599 think like there's he can be kind of a connector 1023 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:49.840 if you do get other good players around him. 1024 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.920 So let's do the latest on your thoughts. We haven't 1025 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.440 done this in a while, but let's just kind of 1026 00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:59.079 talk about, you know, where we find ourselves with the 1027 00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:04.400 young players, the growth, and you know your current assessment 1028 00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:07.639 on what you think they can be as we move forward, 1029 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:09.960 and whether or not you think they're around when the Jazz. 1030 00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:11.800 Are serious about winning again. Excuse me. 1031 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:13.920 And the latest player that I'll ask you about is 1032 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:17.199 Kyle Philipowski who prior to last night and look, Walker 1033 00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:19.719 came back last night, so he had fourteen minutes. But 1034 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.599 prior to last night was getting some starts, was getting 1035 00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.800 some minutes, and he was putting up some real nice numbers. 1036 00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:28.320 And I think his game against the Blazers may have 1037 00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:31.079 been one of, if not his best game as a pro. 1038 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.920 So what's your current assessment of where we find ourselves 1039 00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:35.000 with Kyle Philipowski. 1040 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:39.920 Yeah, he's useful. I mean like his ability to be 1041 00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:43.280 seven foot and play center and can kind of hang 1042 00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:48.599 on the glass. He struggled last night on interior defense 1043 00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:51.400 against the Bonus and Yona Salentunas, which makes sense because 1044 00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.159 those guys are just a lot stronger and thicker than 1045 00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:57.519 he is. But he can be on the perimeter and 1046 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.360 do a lot of you know, like we I mean, 1047 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.880 he was drafted a lot of Kelly Olynics stuff, right 1048 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:05.519 like where he can hit threes from outside, where he 1049 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.440 can create offense, where he can you can kind of 1050 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:09.880 use him as an offensive hub up at the top 1051 00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:11.719 of the key and then have a lot of off 1052 00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:15.159 ball stuff going, some split action, which Will Hardy loves. 1053 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:17.880 Like if if there's a trademark of a Will Hardy offense, 1054 00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:20.800 it's kind of the off ball split action stuff. Uh, 1055 00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:24.519 and Kyle can deliver those passes on time and non 1056 00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:27.760 target and make great reads, and I think that's a 1057 00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:31.159 really really useful thing in today's NBA. I mean, you see, 1058 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:34.159 like what Al Horford does for the Boston Celtics offense, 1059 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.960 Like it is an incredibly useful thing to have a 1060 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.920 big man who can kind of create on off ball stuff. 1061 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:43.039 I mean, Draymond with the Warriors says a lot of 1062 00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:46.840 that same stuff too, right, Like, you know, I think 1063 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:50.679 there's kind of the the Al Horford kind of upside 1064 00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:53.079 with him, and then I think there's also a lot 1065 00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:56.480 of games where he disappears and isn't useful, and you 1066 00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:59.639 know it is overmatched a little bit, and so like 1067 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.639 I think there's like some Frank k. Minsky downside where 1068 00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:05.559 like in the end, he's probably you know, right now 1069 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:10.559 too thin to hang on the defensive end. So we'll 1070 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:12.800 see what happens with him. But I gotta say, like 1071 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.119 a player that you can like really kind of plug 1072 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:20.559 in a as a someone you know has an identifiable 1073 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:25.360 role on the offensive end, is is really something that 1074 00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:27.639 a lot of the other young jazz players don't have, 1075 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:31.000 And it kind of leads me to believe that he's 1076 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:34.159 going to have a I feel pretty optimistic about him 1077 00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:35.320 having a good NBA career. 1078 00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:37.239 We'll kind of just go down the list here, you know. 1079 00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:41.840 I feel like Keyante wants the sting of going to 1080 00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:45.000 the bench kind of wore off, and then the pressure 1081 00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:47.519 of having to be an initiator when I don't think 1082 00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:50.079 that's who he is. I think we've seen more good 1083 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:53.000 than bad defensively. It's just going to be a process, 1084 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.239 and you and I have discussed it. But the numbers 1085 00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:58.000 as of late have been better and the splits of 1086 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.320 Bed been a little bit better. Are we seeing Key 1087 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.280 improve in his new role a little bit? 1088 00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:06.239 Yeah? I mean I think he's taking advantage of lower 1089 00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:08.679 quality defense that's coming off the bench. I mean you 1090 00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:11.320 look at like kind of what's changing not a ton 1091 00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:13.079 man like this minister are exactly the same, The points 1092 00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:15.320 are exactly the same, but he's a little bit more 1093 00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:18.559 efficient because he's getting to the line more often. And 1094 00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:22.159 that makes sense, right, Like if you're playing bigger, smarter defenders, 1095 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.760 they aren't going to, you know, go for your foul 1096 00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:28.760 drawing stuff compared to the bench guys, right, And I 1097 00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.400 think we've seen that with Keante, and you know, he's 1098 00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.480 he's put up some good performances, he's also put up 1099 00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:38.800 some really bad performances. You know, I still have some 1100 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:42.039 questions on essentially, like if he's not a point guard, 1101 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.159 then it becomes tough because he is relatively small for 1102 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:48.559 a two guard. He's not a defender, and he's not 1103 00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:51.480 all that efficient, so like, yeah, you know, like kind 1104 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:53.159 of he does have to be a sixth man a 1105 00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:55.920 little bit, right, Like in kind of the Jordan Clarkson 1106 00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:59.599 mold and from his like Jordan is a better defender 1107 00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.559 than right now, and so you hope that Kiante can 1108 00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:04.960 develop at least to become a Jordan Clarkson defender, which 1109 00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:08.639 is not a good one, but a passable one. Yeah, 1110 00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:11.760 you know, I think he shows again a lot of 1111 00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:14.159 kind of the same Jordan Clarkson, like can catch on 1112 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:18.119 fire on stuff, and obviously at certain point, points are 1113 00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:21.079 the name of the game, and that's that's great. He's 1114 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:23.599 got to tune the efficiency to be up four or 1115 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:26.960 five percent across the board and then all of a 1116 00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:31.320 sudden he becomes a really viable player as is. Yeah, 1117 00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:33.800 you know it it's just is going to need improvement 1118 00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:36.840 because it does get you know, it's so up and 1119 00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:37.679 down some night tonight. 1120 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:41.360 Can he become a Jordan Clarkson level defender? As a sentence, 1121 00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:43.960 I never thought i'd hear anybody say, Andy. 1122 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.920 Jordan's a little underrated defensively, Like I think he is 1123 00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:51.519 a three out of ten defender, where people think he's 1124 00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:52.039 a one out. 1125 00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:52.599 Of ten defender. 1126 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:54.519 Maybe even I would even put Jordan clarks in a 1127 00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:59.039 four out of ten defender. Yeah, I know, high praise, 1128 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.840 but yeah, I mean Kanty is a one out of 1129 00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:04.159 ten defender, right, Yeah, right, I think it's moving to 1130 00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:05.719 the bench. Maybe he's been a two out of ten. 1131 00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:08.880 It does need to jump a couple levels. 1132 00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:09.119 All right. 1133 00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:11.920 I haven't asked you about Bryce Senciba in a while, 1134 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:16.280 and he went he had a rough stretch there. I 1135 00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:18.039 think I saw on the broadcast at one point he 1136 00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:20.000 was like two of his last twenty five from three 1137 00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:23.599 or something. And I don't know, like I've always thought, 1138 00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:25.599 maybe when it's fully baked, he could have like this 1139 00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:28.480 little Dennis Scott role in the league. And there are 1140 00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:30.840 some nights where he's knocking down shots and he looks good. 1141 00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:32.920 Another night's where he just looks completely lost, and you're 1142 00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:36.320 expecting that from a player, certainly who is young at 1143 00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:38.639 twenty one years old. But what's the latest Andy Larson 1144 00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:41.920 take on the progress or lack thereof Bryce Sensible? 1145 00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:46.519 Yeah, I mean, he's got a thinner and stronger body 1146 00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:48.800 than he used to, which means he doesn't look as 1147 00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:51.840 tired as he did in his rookie season, which is 1148 00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:54.800 a good thing. He's still not making an impact on 1149 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.679 the defensive end. He's a better passer and rebounder probably 1150 00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:01.280 than he gets credit for. And then again, like it 1151 00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:04.239 does for so many NBA players, especially role players, especially 1152 00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:07.880 you know, twos and threes. It's about whether or not 1153 00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:10.320 he can shoot. And if he shoots, if he makes 1154 00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:12.400 thirty eight percent of his threes, he's a useful player, 1155 00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.199 and if he makes thirty two percent of his threes, 1156 00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.880 he's not. And I mean that's where we are in 1157 00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:19.199 the NBA. When fifty percent of the shots are threes 1158 00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:21.559 and so much of your job is providing spacing for 1159 00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:27.920 the stars, it's hard for me to imagine like him, uh, 1160 00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.400 finding a role if he's not able to kind of 1161 00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:34.920 consistently keep those shooting percentages high. That being said, like 1162 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:37.559 I kind of believe in his shot more than any 1163 00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.840 of the other young players like it. He showed an 1164 00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:43.360 ability to shoot in college. He shows an ability to 1165 00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.599 shoot and practice and warm ups at a really high level. 1166 00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:48.119 I kind of believe in him as a thirty eight 1167 00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:51.039 percent shooter, and so then like, okay, then all of 1168 00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.920 a sudden, his makes sense as a eighth, ninth, tenth 1169 00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:56.360 guy off the bench who can can kind of hang around. 1170 00:57:56.440 --> 00:58:00.440 But you know, it actually has to be that way 1171 00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:04.360 an NBA games, and him avoiding those shooting pumps as 1172 00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:06.320 long as possible is huge for his career. 1173 00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:09.840 I go back and forth with Isaiah Callier. I do 1174 00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:12.760 think there's a lot to like, and more than anything else, 1175 00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.679 I just didn't expect him to grab the starting job 1176 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:17.760 and get minutes. So it's been I'll call it a 1177 00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:21.000 pleasant surprise. It's the same stuff though, that you and 1178 00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.599 I have talked about for for all the assist numbers 1179 00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:26.440 there are, and he was clean last night, no turnovers 1180 00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:29.280 last night, But if we expand back, there are three 1181 00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:32.320 or four possessions every game. I'm like, what exactly did 1182 00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:34.679 you see there when you decided to make that pass? 1183 00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:37.119 And then it's the shooting stuff. It's nothing new. 1184 00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:40.400 I mean, you cannot be a lead guard or a 1185 00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:42.760 guard period, a wing period, or maybe even a player 1186 00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:44.880 period in the modern day and age NBA if you're 1187 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:46.840 gonna be a twenty five percent three point shooter. But 1188 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.119 your latest take on the progress of Isaiah and how 1189 00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:53.039 he's responded to getting the nod as the starting lead guard. 1190 00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:56.079 Yeah, I mean, I'll give him this. He has made 1191 00:58:56.119 --> 00:59:01.360 this season much more watchable than it was sure to 1192 00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:04.079 have a jazz player who is not looking for his 1193 00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:06.639 own shop but looking up to set up other others 1194 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.800 who is looking to push the pace, who is looking 1195 00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:13.639 to and is capable of making kind of highlight reel 1196 00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:17.440 passes and setting up It's it's just so much better 1197 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:20.599 to watch than it was earlier in the season. So, uh, 1198 00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:23.400 you know, infinite props and will always remember as a 1199 00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:27.119 collier for at least that. Yeah, and then you know, 1200 00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:29.760 it becomes okay if teams actually do start to scout 1201 00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:32.960 the Jazz, are they going to hang ten feet off 1202 00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:37.559 of Isaiah? And I think at this point they would. 1203 00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:41.039 And then you know, so next year, can he become 1204 00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:43.960 a thirty to thirty two percent three point shooter rather 1205 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:47.159 than just a twenty five percent one? You mentioned the turnovers, 1206 00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:50.280 Like the turnovers have to improve. I honestly think like 1207 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:52.400 over the last month, month and a half, the turnovers 1208 00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:56.079 have been largely fine. So that's been really impressive to 1209 00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:59.400 see as a again as a starting point guard. I 1210 00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:01.760 bet you know, I believe in him to be a 1211 01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:05.840 setup man in the NBA, as you know as that 1212 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:08.400 it's just like, yeah, you know, if you want to 1213 01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:10.719 play in the playoffs, then you have to be able 1214 01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:13.920 to shoot, and we'll see how that goes. But I 1215 01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:15.559 think there's a lot of other stuff to like. I 1216 01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:17.559 think you have to like kind of his demeanor about 1217 01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:20.239 how he's attacked this rookie year, despite being the number 1218 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:22.760 one overall recruit, to be as kind of selfless as 1219 01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:26.920 he has been is really impressive. There's a lot of 1220 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:30.800 good stuff there, and so I'm kind of inclined to 1221 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.480 give him the benefit of doubt, the doubt on the shooting, 1222 01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:35.599 or at least give him the chance to see what 1223 01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:38.440 he can do, because the other stuff in his game 1224 01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:39.440 has been really good. 1225 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:41.960 I will ask you about Taylor, but only what you're 1226 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:45.719 hearing Taylor Hendrix about the recovery and how he's attacked. 1227 01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:48.679 It's impossible to analyze his game because he hasn't played 1228 01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:50.639 in forever and he's heard. But what are you hearing 1229 01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:53.039 about the progress off the floor the Taylor Hendrix is 1230 01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:54.119 making in his recovery. 1231 01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:59.079 Yeah, talk to Justin Vanik actually about him today at 1232 01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:03.039 jazz practice. Sounds like he is really attacking the weight 1233 01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:06.280 room and growing his body in a significant way. So 1234 01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:09.880 I believe before the season or maybe lastly and I 1235 01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:12.320 think he was at tuner seventeen pounds and then I 1236 01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:15.039 heard today that he was at two forty five or thereabouts. 1237 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:18.119 So you know, that's a significant gain, and you know, 1238 01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:20.480 I think maybe some of that's because he hasn't playing, 1239 01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:23.199 but from what I hear, it's because he's changed his 1240 01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:25.519 body and become much more muscular. I mean, I think 1241 01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:27.920 we saw that even in the first three games, he 1242 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.599 had gained I think he said seventeen pounds and so 1243 01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:32.519 now we're up to twenty seven to twenty eight or so. 1244 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:35.480 Like that's that's a that's a big jump, and I 1245 01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:38.159 think that kind of weight gain, that strength is is 1246 01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:42.079 really good for him. But yeah, you know, then the 1247 01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:43.679 rest of the game is a question mark, right, Like, 1248 01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:46.480 so I think I feel pretty good about him being 1249 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:50.760 a good NBA defender, you know, like from what I 1250 01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:53.360 saw early in the season, Like, I feel good about 1251 01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:55.639 him being a we're using that one to ten scale 1252 01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:58.039 of seven or eight out of ten NBA defender, and 1253 01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:01.159 maybe he can get even better than that. The offense 1254 01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:03.079 has to come along, right, Like he's either got to 1255 01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:04.639 be able to shoot the ball really well at that 1256 01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:08.039 point or do a little bit more off the dribble 1257 01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:10.840 to take advantage of closeouts and things like that. So 1258 01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:13.159 we'll see how that happens. You know, he hasn't been 1259 01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:15.119 able to practice any of that. He just barely got 1260 01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:18.800 out of a walking boot. But yeah, well we'll see. 1261 01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:21.159 You know, he's probably not going to play in summer League. 1262 01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:24.119 It's going to be a waiting process. And then obviously 1263 01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:27.320 I think there's gonna be kind of a recovery, you know, 1264 01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:29.920 knocking out the RUSS process at the beginning of next year, 1265 01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:32.000 of year three. It does remind me a little bit 1266 01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:33.960 of the Dantex some situation a decade ago. 1267 01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:37.320 So just out of respect, I will ask you about 1268 01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:41.239 jus Ay and Svie. They do not have any guaranteed money, 1269 01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:45.239 so technically their contracts do go through next year and 1270 01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:47.800 even beyond that, but no guaranteed money. Do you think 1271 01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.119 either of those two are around for more than another 1272 01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:51.119 year or even if that. 1273 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:56.079 I mean, I don't see any reason why you would 1274 01:02:56.320 --> 01:03:01.280 necessarily keep them. I mean, Johnny, I think you would probably, 1275 01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:04.119 I don't know. Johnny's younger, and you may keep oversee 1276 01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:08.639 as a just again, maybe you can convince some team 1277 01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:12.280 of his upside v as an okay role player, but 1278 01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:15.320 like it is getting dmpcds on the team when they 1279 01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:20.760 have four regular starters out, Like I my personal preference 1280 01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:24.000 would be probably to rotate through other end of the 1281 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:26.079 bench NBA guys and see if you can get someone 1282 01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:27.480 who pops more than those two guys. 1283 01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:29.840 Happen, all right, final one, I'll ask you about Cody. 1284 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.280 I mean, look, he's twenty, so I don't know that 1285 01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:36.360 it's fairer just to completely dismiss, but man, Andy like 1286 01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.639 just waiting for something for these fans to latch onto, 1287 01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:42.679 to indicate that a pick that you made in the 1288 01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:45.079 top ten might pay dividends at some point. Like I said, 1289 01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:47.760 I'm not trying to be overly critical. I'm not trying 1290 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:49.519 to say he's never going to evolve in anything because 1291 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:53.239 he's a kid. But at this point, is there anything 1292 01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:55.639 that has excited you about the play of Cody Williams 1293 01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:55.960 this year? 1294 01:03:57.079 --> 01:03:59.639 He had two good games after the All Star break 1295 01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:03.400 where and again good in an extremely low expectation zone, 1296 01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:07.599 but where he attacked the basket a little bit more, 1297 01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:12.679 and then was good defensively, where he stayed in front 1298 01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:17.719 defensively and forced his player his matchup to pass the ball. 1299 01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:21.639 And you know, he's so far away from a body 1300 01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:24.360 point of view, he's so far away from a skill 1301 01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:27.119 level point of view. Right like, he is shooting twelve 1302 01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:30.079 percent from ten feet to the three point line this year. 1303 01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:33.280 Twelve percent to make twelve percent of your shots as 1304 01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:35.960 an NBA player in any zone is insane, right Like, 1305 01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:43.039 it's it's been really bad. I think the lack of 1306 01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:46.840 kind of star flashes I think is really concerning, right Like, 1307 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.400 he just has not shown even kind of the high 1308 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:53.320 end of things. And so to me right now, like 1309 01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:56.480 my kind of hope is Okay, if you developed from 1310 01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:00.559 a body point of view, then all of a sudden 1311 01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:03.440 kind of makes sense where you can defend and maybe 1312 01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:05.360 developed the shot as well, and you can be kind 1313 01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:07.280 of a three and D guy, kind of a connector guy. 1314 01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:09.400 I think he is a smart player. I think he 1315 01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:11.559 makes the right read most of the time. I think 1316 01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:13.440 he's in the right place on defense. Well at the time, 1317 01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:14.679 he just doesn't do. 1318 01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:15.320 Anything with it. 1319 01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:17.960 And I think a lot of that might be the body, 1320 01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:21.400 but I think a lot of that might be who 1321 01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.679 he is as a player a little bit. And so yeah, 1322 01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:27.800 I'm certainly definitely worried about Cody. You know, you don't 1323 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:29.480 want to write him off after you're one. He is 1324 01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:34.440 still young again, he's so skinny, but you know, if 1325 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:36.599 you had the tenth pick back at this point, you 1326 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:39.039 probably would like to make a different slunch. 1327 01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:42.000 All right, before we get to RSL, And we do 1328 01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:43.880 need to get your thoughts on the lads. 1329 01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:44.800 It has not been great. 1330 01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:47.519 I have your Twitter pulled up and there is a 1331 01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:51.480 report from Mike Florio Pro Football Talk that Jordan Schultz 1332 01:05:52.280 --> 01:05:55.960 of Fox Sports verbally Acosta I in rapaport of the 1333 01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.519 NFL media at Indianapolis, ironically, and off at a Starbucks. 1334 01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:01.760 And Jordan's dad owned Starbucks, at least he used to. 1335 01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:04.679 And you say, you quote, and you say, I've been 1336 01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:08.920 witnessed to a few reporter on reporter yelling matches during 1337 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:10.639 my career, and I'll tell you what, every single one 1338 01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:13.679 of them has been extremely funny. Because of that tweet, 1339 01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:17.199 I've been like scratching my brain a little bit to 1340 01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:19.480 try to figure out what you're talking about. And if 1341 01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:21.440 any of that has happened locally. Do you have any 1342 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:23.199 good stories that you can share on air about any 1343 01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:23.719 of this stuff? 1344 01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:25.599 Some of them have. 1345 01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:32.440 Happened locally, I am going to you can guess certainly 1346 01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:39.239 the members involved in some of the local ones. I 1347 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:41.679 will send you even video of one of them. Oh, 1348 01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:45.800 hell yeah, and I will decline comment further for a 1349 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:46.559 public audioce. 1350 01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:50.960 What did did any of these happen like out in 1351 01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:53.519 public or was this like in the media media room 1352 01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:54.000 type thing? 1353 01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.199 I'm trying to think. I don't think I've seen any screaming, 1354 01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:04.159 yelling or well, no, that one happened on a street, yeah, 1355 01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:08.960 walking from the Delta Center back to the Tribune office. 1356 01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:13.639 That that's the greatest detail I'll give again, and I'm 1357 01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:15.599 happy to send you video of of more. 1358 01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:17.639 Do any of them involve Gordon? 1359 01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:19.159 No? 1360 01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:23.880 Actually I don't, I can't. I you know, Gordon got 1361 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:28.760 a disagreement with our guy Eric Walden once, but I 1362 01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:32.320 wouldn't even call it a verbal altercation of yelling or 1363 01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:36.039 you know, it was a back in the day, Eric 1364 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:38.679 Walden used to be Gordon's editor at the Trips and 1365 01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:42.000 they got into a disagreement over a column. But even 1366 01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:44.760 that wasn't a yelling match. That was you know, of 1367 01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:49.239 of reporter disagreements that I'm tweeting about, that certainly wasn't 1368 01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:51.000 one of them. That was That was the point, pretty tame. 1369 01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:52.159 Do any of them involve me? 1370 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:56.559 No? I don't. I don't think have you have you 1371 01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:57.840 yelled at another reporter before. 1372 01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:00.920 That's none your business, Andy, Do any of them involve you? 1373 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:04.679 I'll say this, I don't think I've ever yelled at 1374 01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:07.880 another reporter before, but I have gotten into a disagreement 1375 01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:10.960 to at one point, so I slammed my beverage down 1376 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:13.760 in the Jazz press room and it kind of it 1377 01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:16.319 was it was it was its kind of spilled over 1378 01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:18.159 the top, you know, and then got all over Tony, 1379 01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:19.239 And so I feel bad about that. 1380 01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:21.520 Is there one member of the local media you would 1381 01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:28.880 like to verbally accost Ooh, that's a good question. 1382 01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:29.359 You know. 1383 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:32.279 The answers, Yes, I know the answers, Yes. 1384 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:34.319 You know. 1385 01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:38.079 Right now, Sunshining, I'm such, I'm in a great place mentally, Okay, 1386 01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:40.760 I'm I'm great right now. 1387 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.439 Okay, Well, let's ruin your great place mentally and talk 1388 01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:47.720 about our local soccer club. Look man, like, it's it's 1389 01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:51.680 a very fair point to make that. And I've seen 1390 01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:54.760 some people make this point, like they raised season ticket 1391 01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:57.720 prices this year, and they sold off half their team, 1392 01:08:57.840 --> 01:08:59.399 and they got rid of half their team, and they 1393 01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:01.960 got rid of most to their great attacking players and 1394 01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:05.039 Elias or Leis Manuel whatever, however you pronounce his name, 1395 01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:07.520 maybe he was going to be the guy to step 1396 01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:09.159 in and make a little bit of a difference trade 1397 01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:11.079 compared him to like a young Anderson Julio. 1398 01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:12.399 That's not going to move the needle. 1399 01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.920 So it's very fair at this point to look over 1400 01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:17.399 and say, what are you doing? 1401 01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:19.600 We got one goal through three games. 1402 01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:24.039 And they lose to Aradiano and COCKACAFF Champions round one 1403 01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:27.239 after making the tournament for the first time ELEC a decade. 1404 01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:29.479 And look, it is a really fun tournament if you 1405 01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:32.680 could advance. I remember that team in twenty ten nearly 1406 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:35.239 winning the whole thing. So I'll just ask you for 1407 01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:37.479 your take the Andy Larson take three games in two 1408 01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:40.279 CONCACAFF one mls on where we stand with RSL and 1409 01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:41.640 what you think needs to happen next. 1410 01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:44.640 I don't get how you acquire Elias Manoel and don't 1411 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:46.119 ask him if he wants to play for rself. 1412 01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:48.520 Yeah, Like that'sin. 1413 01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:52.439 That's bad management, right, Like if you're not asking that guy, 1414 01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:56.079 you know a if before you make that trade, that 1415 01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:58.279 if he's willing to play for RSEL, Like what do 1416 01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:00.800 you you know? Again, that's just a step you have 1417 01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:03.199 to check off the list, right, Like you got to 1418 01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:05.520 talk to his agent man, and maybe they did. I 1419 01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:09.079 don't know what exactly happened there, but from what has 1420 01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:13.159 been said publicly and frankly privately, like it sounds like he, 1421 01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:15.399 you know, wanted to play in New York but didn't 1422 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:17.399 want to play in Salt Lake, which I understand as 1423 01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:20.239 a young Brazilian human being. But like you got to 1424 01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:23.079 find that out first before you trade as. That's for him, 1425 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:27.600 come on now and then look, the bigger issue is 1426 01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:30.560 you sold Gomez for eleven million dollars, You sold Codel 1427 01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:33.319 for AHAs for four million dollars. You sold Chicho for 1428 01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:36.760 one point five and gam which is more more than 1429 01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:40.720 that in cash in kind of the MLS trade world. Uh, 1430 01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:43.279 And you've bought a three million dollar player and a 1431 01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:45.399 one point five million dollar player in return, right, and 1432 01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:48.520 you have just so far pocketed that twelve million dollars 1433 01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:51.439 at the same time the rest of MLSS is spending 1434 01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:54.880 eight figures, you know, over ten million dollars on the 1435 01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:59.560 likes of Wilfrid Zaha and Latte laugh and Marco Royce 1436 01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:04.479 and obviously Lionel Messi. And like it's just you can't 1437 01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:06.680 compete in this league if you're not going to spend money. 1438 01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:10.159 And I was really supportive of the Gomez and Chico 1439 01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:13.279 and Baja sales because I figured you would use that 1440 01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:16.439 money to improve the club. And in the end they haven't. 1441 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.560 So far they have pocketed it. And even their outgoing 1442 01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:22.560 kind of pr on this has been, Hey, we would 1443 01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:24.720 like to sign a striker if it is cheap. What 1444 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.479 they told Tom Bogert yesterday, Hey we want Duncan McGuire 1445 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:31.359 or Brian White or Olio fam Like those guys are 1446 01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:33.079 like four million dollar strikers. 1447 01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:34.439 Pony up and pay. 1448 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:36.520 For a ten million dollar striker already, right. Like in 1449 01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:38.720 the end, if you want to compete in current MLF, 1450 01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:41.279 you can't be cheap. If you want to be at 1451 01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:43.680 the bottom of here of MLS. If you want to 1452 01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:46.000 just sneak into the playoffs every year, cool, If you 1453 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:48.319 want to lose in the first round of Conker Cash 1454 01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:51.359 Champions Cup every year, then by all means spend nothing 1455 01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:54.399 on your team. But in the meantime you're letting a 1456 01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:56.960 lot of fans down and then to then go around 1457 01:11:56.960 --> 01:11:59.359 and ask those fans to pay for higher season ticket 1458 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:02.399 prices and a eighteen dollars years, Like, it just is 1459 01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:05.840 pretty bad management. It's not cool, and I think it's 1460 01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:08.279 fair for them to get an a ton of criticism. 1461 01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:09.359 So, look, the. 1462 01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:13.359 RSL season ticket member found town Hall is tonight. I'm 1463 01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:15.520 not going to be there. I know a lot of 1464 01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:18.800 angry season ticket fans are, and I hope that ownership 1465 01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:20.720 is going to be there as well. And I hope 1466 01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:23.520 they hear those complaints from fans because, quite frankly, like 1467 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:25.479 what they've done to the club over the last nine 1468 01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:27.439 months isn't right, isn't fair, isn't good. 1469 01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:31.880 Yeah, I you know, typically I'll try to provide context 1470 01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:33.319 and push back, but I'm not sure that I can 1471 01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:36.319 in this scenario. You know, you kind of just alluded 1472 01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:38.479 to the fan base. I wonder before I say you loose, 1473 01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:39.960 I will ask you this, because you have a poltse 1474 01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:42.520 on these fans in a way that I don't. Is 1475 01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:46.439 the good will of you know, the early returns of 1476 01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:49.560 this ownership group willing to invest and spend money and 1477 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:51.439 all that is, do you feel like it's starting to 1478 01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:53.800 wear off? And now there's more questions about this club 1479 01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:55.159 than there was, you know, prior to. 1480 01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:58.800 Yeah, and I don't know that it's more questions about 1481 01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:03.600 them than prior to right, Deloitte sucks. I do think 1482 01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:10.439 that the you know, the fans are cognizant of what's 1483 01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:13.199 going on, and you know, I don't want to use 1484 01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:15.000 the word fickle, but I want to use the word 1485 01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:20.319 like attentive. And while the team had investment and while 1486 01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:22.760 the team was playing well, yes, the fans are going 1487 01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:25.359 to be on board. And when the team is being 1488 01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:29.960 thought of as a third priority in an ownership group, 1489 01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:32.640 or while the team is not being invested in, and 1490 01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:35.880 while the team is at the very bottom of MLS 1491 01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:38.800 standings and when they lose to a Costa Rican team, 1492 01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:40.840 then yeah, the fans are going to be up set 1493 01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:44.960 about it. Like you know, I think sometimes sports managers 1494 01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:48.880 see the fans as like these completely unfair people who 1495 01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:52.560 don't understand the realities of the business. But like I 1496 01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:55.319 disagree with that. I think Salt Lake fans and Utah 1497 01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:58.039 fans in general are actually pretty smart about what they're 1498 01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:02.880 seeing on with their sports teams and on RFL field especially, 1499 01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:06.279 And uh, it just has not been anywhere close stup 1500 01:14:06.279 --> 01:14:09.800 to stuff so far, so you know, I certainly hope 1501 01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:12.560 that changes and again, I'm I'm someone who has supported 1502 01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:14.800 their moves in the past with the understanding that the 1503 01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:17.720 investment would continue to be there. Given that it hasn't 1504 01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:23.159 been uh that that has been you know, then my 1505 01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:26.119 my understanding and my support of them is dependent on 1506 01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:28.000 them continuing to make good decisions. 1507 01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:31.000 Will you be there Saturday, will you be on your feet, 1508 01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:33.359 and will you shout it out on Saturday? 1509 01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:37.319 I absolutely will, right like And and yeah, I'm I'm 1510 01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:41.319 in like, I'm not going to do a uh, you know, 1511 01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:45.600 boycott or anything like that. This club means a lot 1512 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:47.720 to me and I get a lot of enjoyment out 1513 01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:50.119 of these games still. And you know, look, if it's 1514 01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:52.439 if that's all RSL wants from me is my money, 1515 01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:53.960 I'm going to continue to give them my money. If 1516 01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:56.399 they want my support. And you know, I think I 1517 01:14:56.439 --> 01:14:58.000 think for a lot of fans in this way then 1518 01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:05.000 uh and you know, and there in my positivity, then 1519 01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:07.079 it's gonna have to be better in terms of results, 1520 01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:09.880 in terms of what we see in the transfer market. 1521 01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:10.880 It's hard to argue with that. 1522 01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:11.079 Man. 1523 01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:12.680 It's been a rough start, right Andy, Thanks for. 1524 01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:14.159 The time, brother, I have a good weekend, all right, 1525 01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:17.199 Hey man, thanks all right, Andy Larson, Salt Lake Tribune. 1526 01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:19.960 All right, we got Tim McMahon rolling by Little NBA 1527 01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:22.880 today will NBA Daily assist on the program. 1528 01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:25.119 Good stuff for Neil Smith to start things off. 1529 01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:28.319 The Utah hockey club is back in action tonight against Minnesota, 1530 01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:31.199 and then Andy Larson stopped by as well. 1531 01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:32.600 So a lot to do on the program. 1532 01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:36.359 Last night, University of Utah men's basketball team at Michale 1533 01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:39.600 Center against Arizona, and they got worked, they got smoked, 1534 01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:42.000 thought that they would. Arizona's really good and obviously the 1535 01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:46.439 youth turnflux. But Tommy Lloyd, the head coach of Arizona, 1536 01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:50.199 after the game, had some really cool comments because as 1537 01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:52.000 we talked about, the news came down the Craig had 1538 01:15:52.039 --> 01:15:54.880 lost his job at the University of Utah has decided 1539 01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:56.840 to fire Craig Smith, no longer the head coach of 1540 01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:00.159 the men's basketball program the National Search. According to for 1541 01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:03.359 the releases on and coach Tyler the interim head coach, 1542 01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:05.720 his first task was to take on Arizona mchel, which 1543 01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:08.439 is just impossible. So Arizona won the game, no surprise there. 1544 01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:10.720 But we've tried to cover this to the Prism of 1545 01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:13.920 the human element of it, because the media oftentimes ignores that, 1546 01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:17.000 and consumers and fans kind of want want to know, like, hey, 1547 01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:18.359 what happened, why did he get fired? 1548 01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:19.239 And then what's next? 1549 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:21.560 And I thought Tommy Lloyd did a great job of 1550 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:24.079 putting some context and color around the conversation. So if 1551 01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:27.039 you missed Tommy Lloyd post game last night, here's that sound. 1552 01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:32.640 Brady and Landon Smith are Craig's kids, and one's the 1553 01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:35.760 director of operations, the other's a walk on and both 1554 01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:39.920 those kids showed up today and which is pretty amazing. 1555 01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:42.319 I mean, I know, you guys, this is a business, 1556 01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:44.199 and it's a hard business, and I get all those things, 1557 01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:47.760 but like we all have families, we all have kids, 1558 01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:51.159 And for his kids to show up today, and you know, 1559 01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:54.520 and and Craig I talked to him today and had 1560 01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:57.640 not didn't have one bad word to say, straight class. 1561 01:16:57.920 --> 01:17:03.199 For his boys to show up today, inmates, it says something. 1562 01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:07.640 This stuff's hard, what we go through, even. 1563 01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:08.600 When it's going good, it's hard. 1564 01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:11.880 And and and I know you guys have opinions and 1565 01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:14.119 this and this isn't against the media. This is the 1566 01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:17.680 society in general and in US guys that decided to coach. 1567 01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:18.119 There's a lot of. 1568 01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:20.079 Really cool things that come with it, but there's a 1569 01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:22.279 lot of tough stuff. There's a lot of tough days, 1570 01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:24.840 and you know what, there's a lot of times your 1571 01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:27.920 family gets neglected because what we're doing to try to, 1572 01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:32.520 you know, to prove our work as a coach, to 1573 01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:35.560 prove our value, to prove that that we belong at 1574 01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:38.680 this level. And and so I got a lot of 1575 01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:41.079 respect for those two young men. 1576 01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:48.039 Yeah, the video of that, he's emotional, he's trying to 1577 01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:51.439 hold back tears as he's describing this. And look, when 1578 01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:54.760 it comes to coaches, certainly in pro sports, but college 1579 01:17:54.760 --> 01:17:57.680 sports too, a lot of people, you know, they see 1580 01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:01.239 buyouts and after you know, you, Jimbo Fisher lost his 1581 01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:03.359 job at Texas A and M, and he got paid 1582 01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:05.520 a cool like ninety million just to go find something 1583 01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:08.279 else to do. I understand that the way this stuff works, 1584 01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:11.399 these guys are hired to be fired. And because of that, 1585 01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:13.960 the ecosystem of coaching in college athletics and in the 1586 01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:16.880 pros is if you are fired, there's a nice golden 1587 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:19.000 parachute to take you into your next phase of life. 1588 01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:22.319 So that's kind of what everybody focuses on. But I 1589 01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:23.840 can tell you there are a lot of people I 1590 01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:24.960 know that I have a lot of money that aren't 1591 01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:27.680 very happy, right. And so when it comes to Craig 1592 01:18:27.720 --> 01:18:29.920 and his family, there's a human element here with his 1593 01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:32.840 wife and I think they have four children. So Lance 1594 01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:34.880 is the oldest and this is his first year is 1595 01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:38.960 the Utah men's basketball director of Administration and Operations. And 1596 01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:42.920 his other boys a walk on Brady played at Sali 1597 01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:43.800 Community College. 1598 01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:45.960 And I thought that was a really cool thing for. 1599 01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:48.039 Tommy Lloyd to do, you know, ultimately, to kind of 1600 01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:50.600 point out that because I'm sure it's hard on on 1601 01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:53.319 those young men. Can you imagine if your father was 1602 01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:55.960 fired and you're asked to just go to work the 1603 01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:57.439 next day at the place who fired him. 1604 01:18:57.439 --> 01:18:58.600 Probably would be a tough thing. 1605 01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:02.720 So men's basketball, they take the l against Arizona last 1606 01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.079 night at Michale. Arizona's probably the second best team in 1607 01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:07.560 the conference. BYU might have something to say about that. 1608 01:19:08.119 --> 01:19:10.159 The youths will have Arizona State and West Virginia at 1609 01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:13.479 home before they close the season in Provo on March 1610 01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:18.199 the eighth, a BYU all Right special guest live in studio. 1611 01:19:18.319 --> 01:19:20.119 I've been telling you guys about my friends at Ogden 1612 01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:21.479 Clinic Hadley Dermatology. 1613 01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:23.880 They've got a bunch of deals for you going on 1614 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:24.359 right now. 1615 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:26.560 So just to review the deals that they have currently, 1616 01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:28.239 then we'll kind of get to our guests and see 1617 01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:30.720 what we have to say about the latest. You can 1618 01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:33.880 get twenty percent off of botox. You also have twenty 1619 01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:37.359 five percent off of laser treatments. They have injectables in 1620 01:19:37.359 --> 01:19:41.239 addition to the free consultation to check out your entire 1621 01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:42.800 body to see where you're at. If you're like me 1622 01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:44.920 and the sun is about to shine consistently, you're going 1623 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:48.199 to be outside all the time, golfing or hiking. And 1624 01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:51.119 we lead the nation in skin cancer diagnosis per capita, 1625 01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:53.560 which I didn't know that. So get checked out and 1626 01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:55.119 make sure you're good. Give them a call. It eight 1627 01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:58.079 O one sixty five seven five sixty sixty four. It's 1628 01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:00.319 eight oh one sixty five seven five six for and 1629 01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:02.720 our guest in studios. My favorite of all the ones 1630 01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:05.640 they send CP Christine. 1631 01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:05.640 How are you. 1632 01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:07.079 I'm good? Thank you for having me. 1633 01:20:07.199 --> 01:20:08.680 Let's turn your mic up just a little bit. Thanks 1634 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:11.319 for coming in live in studio. I always appreciate it, 1635 01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:13.960 and like I said, I prefer you over certainly Jason 1636 01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:15.039 or Michael. 1637 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:15.680 Thank you. 1638 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:17.800 So it's great to see it, all right, So I'm 1639 01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:20.439 going to give you the floor here. Last time you 1640 01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:22.760 were here we talked about the deal on Boatox or 1641 01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:25.920 Valentine's Day, yep, And today you've got something else in mind, Christine, 1642 01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:26.319 So let's. 1643 01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:26.640 Here about it. 1644 01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:28.720 Well, this is something I see a lot of patients 1645 01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:32.039 for this time of year, especially, is dry itchy skin. 1646 01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:34.560 We're in Utah, we have a dry climate. 1647 01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:38.359 It's cold, low humidity, and a lot of people will 1648 01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:40.479 come in with just a lot of itching. And there's 1649 01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:42.840 a few tips and tricks that you can do to 1650 01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:45.520 avoid this. But then there are some things that you 1651 01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:48.079 probably should know that if those aren't working, maybe there's 1652 01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:52.399 an underlying problem that should be worked up. So one 1653 01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:55.439 of the easiest things is to take shorter, cooler showers. 1654 01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:58.119 And this is a tough one because long, hot showers 1655 01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:01.359 just feel so good right now, but it actually pulls 1656 01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:03.359 a lot of moisture out of your skin and it 1657 01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:05.079 tends to make you feel really itchy. 1658 01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:07.359 Yeah, I don't want to hear that. I like my 1659 01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:08.720 long hot showers, I know. 1660 01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:12.399 And the second that's really easy is put on moisturizer, okay, 1661 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:14.880 and doing that right when you get out of the 1662 01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:17.319 shower is the easiest time. It helps to seal in 1663 01:21:17.399 --> 01:21:19.279 some of that moisture that you've lost. 1664 01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:22.359 So shorter, cooler showers and then as soon as you 1665 01:21:22.359 --> 01:21:24.520 get out of the shower, moisturize, moisturize. Do you have 1666 01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:26.039 a moisturizer you would recommend. 1667 01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:30.680 We typically all recommend fragrance and die free products see 1668 01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:33.560 to fill seravey userine have been some of my go to's, 1669 01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:37.840 but I'll take whatever people will apply. 1670 01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:42.079 Okay, but the best are fragrance free, diy free, and 1671 01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:45.000 die free. All right, So let's say somebody's listening that 1672 01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:50.199 is experience and the symptoms that you're describing, and they've 1673 01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:52.520 tried things to prevent it and it's not working. How 1674 01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:53.800 can you guys help them in the clinic? 1675 01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:57.279 Well, seeing what they have on their skin is also helpful. 1676 01:21:57.359 --> 01:21:59.680 So if they're doing these and it's not getting better, 1677 01:21:59.880 --> 01:22:03.119 or if they're so itchy that they're causing either cracks 1678 01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:06.359 or bleeding, it puts them at risk for an infection. 1679 01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:10.560 There may be an underlying problem like exzema or psoriasis 1680 01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:13.600 that they don't maybe know about yet. So it's good 1681 01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:15.760 to see that because then there are prescriptions we can 1682 01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:17.159 do that will help them through that. 1683 01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:20.159 Okay, so we've got dry skin, all right, So if 1684 01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:22.640 you guys are dealing with that, definitely check out Hadley 1685 01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:26.319 Ogden Clinic Athley Dermatology. Let's reset some of the other 1686 01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:29.119 deals that we've already kind of outlined so you can 1687 01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:31.279 kind of help us as the expert here. And as 1688 01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:33.680 I said, when Mike was in and he dropped the 1689 01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:36.399 whole like we are the leading state in the country 1690 01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:39.760 in skin cancer diagnosis per capita, it blew me away. 1691 01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:40.760 I didn't know that. 1692 01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:44.039 So if you know, for our listeners, I keep talking 1693 01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:46.640 about this if they're like me and you right, like 1694 01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:49.319 you get outside all the time when the sun is 1695 01:22:49.319 --> 01:22:52.399 about to shine consistently, it's been a beautiful week. If 1696 01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:56.920 there are listeners out there that have been golfing, hiking, biking, 1697 01:22:56.960 --> 01:23:01.319 whatever for years and haven't been checked out, why should 1698 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:02.079 they get checked out? 1699 01:23:02.079 --> 01:23:03.039 And what is that process? 1700 01:23:03.199 --> 01:23:03.279 Like? 1701 01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:06.359 Well, typically it's the exposure you get when you're younger 1702 01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:08.920 that will show up later in life. So as you 1703 01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:11.720 get older, these things might start showing up and it 1704 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:14.000 may not be something that's on your radar yet. So 1705 01:23:14.359 --> 01:23:16.760 just even getting a baseline to see, are there any 1706 01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:21.319 spots that are maybe starting to change or maybe not 1707 01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:24.319 healing and going away, it's much easier to treat those 1708 01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:25.399 before they progress. 1709 01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:28.319 And that is just something where people come into the 1710 01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:31.960 clinic and they see someone like you or someone like Jay, 1711 01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:34.199 and you go into a room and you check about 1712 01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:35.039 and then you go from there. 1713 01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:38.520 Pretty much, Yeah, we look at whatever skin you want 1714 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:39.199 us to look at. 1715 01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:44.119 Is there anything people can do themselves to Like, let's 1716 01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:49.079 say somebody's listening and they are curious about a mole. Now, 1717 01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:51.399 this is not my world, so I'm just guessing, is 1718 01:23:51.439 --> 01:23:53.680 there anything that you could tell them, like, if your 1719 01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:56.359 mole looks like this, or if there's a spot on 1720 01:23:56.399 --> 01:23:58.359 your stomach that looks like that, you need to get in. 1721 01:23:58.960 --> 01:23:59.600 That makes sense. 1722 01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:03.840 Absolutely, Anything that looks different from what you have is 1723 01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:06.159 always kind of something we want you to come in for. 1724 01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:08.479 The ugly duckling is not something we want to see. 1725 01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:10.359 So if you get a new spot but it looks 1726 01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:13.680 like another spot that you already have, that's probably okay. Okay, 1727 01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:15.600 But if you get a new spot and you're like, well, gosh, 1728 01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:18.000 this looks different than anything else, we probably want to 1729 01:24:18.039 --> 01:24:20.560 see that. Or if a spot has been the same 1730 01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:24.279 forever and it starts changing, especially in an asymmetric way 1731 01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:27.359 with either shape or color, interesting to look at those two. 1732 01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:28.520 Okay, let me reset. 1733 01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:32.159 Last time you're going, we talked botox, and you know, 1734 01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:35.000 if any of our listeners, if your wife, your girlfriends, 1735 01:24:35.479 --> 01:24:37.399 or men get it too. But you know, if you've 1736 01:24:37.399 --> 01:24:39.920 got a birthday comet up and your wife has always 1737 01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:43.439 talked about wanting botox, let's talk about what that process 1738 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:46.159 entails and what sort of benefits it has. 1739 01:24:47.319 --> 01:24:51.479 Botox helps with fine lines and wrinkles. It can actually 1740 01:24:51.560 --> 01:24:56.119 be a preventative for resting wrinkles. So if there's just 1741 01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:58.399 an area a lot of times around the eyes, in 1742 01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:01.399 between the eyes and the eyebrows, forehead, these are all 1743 01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:04.520 really common areas that people like to have done. It 1744 01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:07.760 prevents the muscles from moving in those areas. 1745 01:25:07.840 --> 01:25:10.239 You don't get a wrinkle created by motion. 1746 01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:13.159 Then, Okay, you were laughing when I said men come 1747 01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:14.199 into they do. 1748 01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:16.159 It's not funny, but they do well. 1749 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:20.680 What was funny? No, not funny? Okay, I was just 1750 01:25:20.720 --> 01:25:21.439 genuinely curious. 1751 01:25:21.439 --> 01:25:23.680 So men or women, botox is on the table, all right, 1752 01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:27.439 final one laser treatments probably is exactly what it sounds like. 1753 01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:30.439 If you have hair and you don't want hair there, 1754 01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:32.600 you can laser the hair off. 1755 01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:35.119 Correct, it can be removed. Yes, is it that simple. 1756 01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:37.159 It can be a process. 1757 01:25:37.199 --> 01:25:39.960 But even after a few treatments you notice a big 1758 01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:40.800 reduction in hair. 1759 01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:42.319 Okay, all right, there you go. 1760 01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:45.399 So we've got a we've got a menu for people 1761 01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:47.199 to choose if you want the deal on the free 1762 01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:49.359 consultation to check you out to make sure that your 1763 01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:52.319 spots are good. That's that's good. We've got twenty five 1764 01:25:52.319 --> 01:25:55.039 percent off of laser treatment. We've got a discount on botox, 1765 01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:57.800 and you now have the tips that you need to 1766 01:25:57.840 --> 01:26:00.399 make sure that that dry skin will go away. Short 1767 01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:05.239 colder showers, moisturizer after the shower, easy stuff, sunscreen before 1768 01:26:05.239 --> 01:26:07.199 you go outside. Absolutely, and you guys have a deal 1769 01:26:07.239 --> 01:26:09.199 on your sunscreen at the at the clinic as well. 1770 01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:11.079 All right, so there you go, give them a call 1771 01:26:11.159 --> 01:26:13.479 right now at eight oh one six five seven five 1772 01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:14.239 sixty six four. 1773 01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:18.039 Next on the Drive, Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your 1774 01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:19.960 NBA Daily Assists. 1775 01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:30.079 Van McMahon, Vanman batted old Land, Texas flood as tickets, 1776 01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:38.960 Muddy's and Manvan McMahon, Van mcman the man. 1777 01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:53.159 You got jazz are off tonight. Welcomed in the Sacramento 1778 01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:56.560 Kings last night. They lost, but Walker was really good. Minnesota. 1779 01:26:57.199 --> 01:26:59.960 Rigobert old Buddy back in town tomorrow night, speaking of 1780 01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:02.439 our old buddy signed out for the NBA Daily Assists. 1781 01:27:03.119 --> 01:27:07.640 Thursday afternoon, I got Dan McMahon, Tim McMahon, Tim Happy Thursday, Sir, how. 1782 01:27:07.479 --> 01:27:10.399 Are you, preddy partner? How you doing? 1783 01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:11.079 I'm well. 1784 01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:13.840 I have to say, uh, I thought about you today 1785 01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:17.520 when news broke that Ian Rappaport and Jordan Schultz had 1786 01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:19.680 a heated exchange at a Starbucks. 1787 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:22.119 I've got it. I've got a note. Tim. At some 1788 01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:24.119 point you got a little fire in you. 1789 01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:28.159 Dan McMahon, have you ever had a intense back and 1790 01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:30.960 forth with a fellow reporter throughout your career? 1791 01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:34.960 Oh, I've had. I've had a handful. To say the 1792 01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:39.800 least I had. There's one, and I'll protect I won't 1793 01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:42.159 say the name to protect you not so innocent. But 1794 01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:46.840 there's one particular gentleman who we got into a confrontation 1795 01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:52.479 that termed mildly physical, but just mildly and uh, things 1796 01:27:52.520 --> 01:27:55.239 blew over until he got a rough performance review and 1797 01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:57.399 he brought it up his performance review and his boss 1798 01:27:57.439 --> 01:28:01.520 called my boss. And that won't get a little bit sticky. 1799 01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:03.880 But it's been a while, I like to think kept 1800 01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:04.640 growing to Maturd. 1801 01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:07.159 You have calmed. You're even kind of nice to me. 1802 01:28:07.279 --> 01:28:09.319 Not entirely nice to me, but kind of nice to me. 1803 01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:11.399 Wait this this actually got a little like are we 1804 01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:16.159 talking pushing, pushing and shoving, you know. 1805 01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:19.399 A little pin against the wall type of thing, Wow, 1806 01:28:20.199 --> 01:28:21.199 against the wall type of thing. 1807 01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:23.000 You know, no, no. 1808 01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:25.960 Harm, no foul, Probably a foul, but I think it 1809 01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:27.560 was not the flavor one. 1810 01:28:28.399 --> 01:28:32.319 Okay, all right, fair enough, So Tim, you know, the 1811 01:28:32.399 --> 01:28:34.920 jazz stuff has been tough all year, as we talked about, 1812 01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:37.479 but when cool things happened, let's talk about cool things. 1813 01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:41.039 And you know, Walker last night was he was special. 1814 01:28:41.079 --> 01:28:43.920 It was historic. I mean, two players in the history 1815 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:46.079 of pro basketball put up the stat line have put 1816 01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:48.760 up the stat line Walker put up last night, and 1817 01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:51.880 it was against a really good big and demot the bonus. 1818 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:54.840 Who's just eaten the jazz launch over the past few years. 1819 01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:58.279 Walker ten of ten from the floor, twenty five points, 1820 01:28:58.319 --> 01:29:02.600 fourteen boards, five assists, steals. Only Nicola Jokic and Will 1821 01:29:02.720 --> 01:29:05.279 Chamberlain have done that in an NBA game. So again 1822 01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:08.119 they lost, we know the deal, but a really cool 1823 01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:10.199 night as it pertains to Walker Kessler. 1824 01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:14.279 Yeah, and honestly, I think Walker Kessler has been the 1825 01:29:14.319 --> 01:29:17.479 best thing about the Jazz season this year. You know, 1826 01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:20.039 you can say it's damning him with faint praise, but 1827 01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:24.039 you know, a great rookie year last year, I think, 1828 01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:29.119 you know, he was even qualified as disappointing, and then 1829 01:29:29.279 --> 01:29:34.279 you know, this year has been able to re establish 1830 01:29:34.359 --> 01:29:39.039 himself as he's a quality starting big and you for 1831 01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:43.079 a team that is searching for long term foundation pieces, 1832 01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:46.720 long term core pieces, I think he's the one guy 1833 01:29:46.840 --> 01:29:49.159 from the last three drafts that you can say, hey, 1834 01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:53.520 he absolutely fits that bill. There's no question that Walker 1835 01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:57.600 Kessler can be a quality started big man in the 1836 01:29:57.720 --> 01:30:00.560 NBA for you know, a decade or so to come. 1837 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:05.840 So this was a highlight of what's really been a 1838 01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:09.640 very good season for him individually. You know, despite the 1839 01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:12.479 fact that obviously overall is a team they have not 1840 01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:15.239 won much and are not trying to win that much. 1841 01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:18.079 And I don't know Tim, that they're going to try 1842 01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:21.319 to win even next year. So your guy Jonathan Gavoni, 1843 01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:24.239 Jeremy Woo as well, piece today really good in depth, 1844 01:30:24.279 --> 01:30:26.239 Well wasn't today, but a couple of days ago really 1845 01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:31.800 an in depth piece about the class next year. Nate Emmett, 1846 01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:35.199 Cameron Boozer, AJ Debansadarren Peterson. AJ is going to be 1847 01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:38.560 playing his college ball here, But after reading what Cavoni 1848 01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:41.359 had to write about, like he thinks Peterson's the number 1849 01:30:41.359 --> 01:30:44.720 one prospect in AJ's two, then it's the Boozer board. 1850 01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:47.199 Cambe will be three and then Nate amm at four. 1851 01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:50.439 But based off of what Caavoni's saying about these top 1852 01:30:50.479 --> 01:30:54.199 four players, I don't know if this fan base will 1853 01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:57.399 see a serious approach next year. And who knows what 1854 01:30:57.479 --> 01:31:00.560 will you know the offseason will bring. But it feels 1855 01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:02.399 to me, Tim that we're in for another year of 1856 01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:04.319 what we just experienced. Is that kind of what your 1857 01:31:04.319 --> 01:31:04.920 gut's telling you. 1858 01:31:06.319 --> 01:31:08.399 I mean, I think the best way to put it 1859 01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:12.479 is the Jazz are early and rebuild, and that's typically 1860 01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:16.800 not like a you know, QUICKI type of process We'll 1861 01:31:16.840 --> 01:31:19.560 see what kind of lottery luck they have, you know, 1862 01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:22.319 we'll see if they are able to get a guy 1863 01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:24.600 like you know, let's say they win lottery, they get 1864 01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:27.319 Cooper Flag. You know, does Coop of Flag come in 1865 01:31:27.399 --> 01:31:31.560 and drive winning immediately? I think the fasking an awful 1866 01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:33.680 lot of a guy who, you know, if he didn't 1867 01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:35.600 skip a great, if he didn't reclassify, would be a 1868 01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:38.960 senior in high school right now. So I think it's 1869 01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:42.159 just kind of part of the natural process. But yeah, 1870 01:31:42.199 --> 01:31:45.199 I if I'm a Jazz Dan, I'm not expecting like 1871 01:31:45.239 --> 01:31:47.520 some jump and wins next year for sure. 1872 01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:50.960 All Right, so let's move let's move off it, and 1873 01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:53.479 let's talk about the things that are a little bit 1874 01:31:53.520 --> 01:31:57.439 more exciting and a little more pertinent to the world 1875 01:31:57.479 --> 01:32:00.880 of pro basketball. First of all, from a macro standpoint, Tim, 1876 01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:03.720 don't look now, but the past week I've watched NBA 1877 01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:06.479 games and I'm seeing NBA players playing really, really hard. 1878 01:32:07.039 --> 01:32:08.800 And maybe that's just this time of year. It is 1879 01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:10.920 a reminder of how great this game is when the 1880 01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:14.520 best players take it seriously. I think the narrative of 1881 01:32:14.720 --> 01:32:17.600 you know, lacka days ago play is starting to go 1882 01:32:17.680 --> 01:32:20.640 away here with some pretty intense high level basketball since 1883 01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:21.399 the All Star Break. 1884 01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:24.439 Yeah, well yeah, and then look, there's teams like you 1885 01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:26.880 don't have to worry about whether the Detroit Pistons are 1886 01:32:26.920 --> 01:32:30.359 playing hard. You know that that's a franchise and a 1887 01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:32.560 bunch of guys, young guys on the roster who have 1888 01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:33.279 a bunch. 1889 01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:36.479 To prove and you know, it's a pretty cool story. 1890 01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:39.520 The Detroit Pistons have one more games so far of 1891 01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:41.840 the season than they did the last two years combined. 1892 01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:46.840 The Detroit Pistons woke up a year ago today with 1893 01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:49.079 eight wins on the season. They are on an eight 1894 01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:52.800 game winning streak right now. So and look, you know, 1895 01:32:52.840 --> 01:32:55.800 if you're again you're in Salt Lake City, it's a 1896 01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:58.840 it's a rebuild. You know, there's obviously pain that comes 1897 01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:02.800 along with that. This is a team that's been through 1898 01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:05.359 the pain and has been able to make that jump 1899 01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:09.600 this season. You've got to find the guy to build around, 1900 01:33:09.680 --> 01:33:12.359 and they've got that with Cad Cunningham, and then it's 1901 01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:16.760 about surrounding him with the right pieces. So, you know, 1902 01:33:17.319 --> 01:33:19.520 they got to a point where they had a guy 1903 01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:22.279 they wanted to build around. They brought in some vets 1904 01:33:22.319 --> 01:33:25.520 to fit and gave him just some room to breathe. 1905 01:33:25.920 --> 01:33:28.600 And you know, the Pistons, like, I don't know if 1906 01:33:28.600 --> 01:33:30.159 they're going to win a playoff series this year, but 1907 01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:32.399 the fact that they're going to be in one and 1908 01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:34.760 that they're going to be a tough matchup for somebody 1909 01:33:35.399 --> 01:33:39.479 is pretty amazing progress considering they won fourteen games last 1910 01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:41.840 year and set of them being erected for the longest 1911 01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:42.439 losing streak. 1912 01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:45.880 Former Jazz DM Dennis Lindsay helping out over there, which 1913 01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:46.600 is pretty cool. 1914 01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:49.520 Happy for him. And you know, when we. 1915 01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:53.720 Always try to draw parallels between teams that are further 1916 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:57.399 along in advanced rebuilds, I try to bring it topically 1917 01:33:57.520 --> 01:33:59.840 as far as what the Jazz are doing here, But 1918 01:34:00.119 --> 01:34:03.399 you referenced it right, like they have Kate and Orlando 1919 01:34:03.479 --> 01:34:06.279 has has Bankara, Like it's it is just the one 1920 01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:08.640 thing that somehow, some way the Jazz need to find. 1921 01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:11.319 As good as Lowry is, I just don't know that 1922 01:34:11.359 --> 01:34:14.159 he is the guy to build around when it comes 1923 01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:17.960 to eventually being back into contention. It is the one 1924 01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:21.239 outlier that all of these advanced rebuild teams seem to 1925 01:34:21.279 --> 01:34:23.319 have that the Jazz just right now have not been 1926 01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:23.880 able to find. 1927 01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:27.439 And that's why you tank to be honest with you 1928 01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:31.439 because where picked right? Where was Kid Cunningham picked right? 1929 01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:36.520 That the easiest way to get that level of talent 1930 01:34:37.159 --> 01:34:39.760 is to pick very very early in the draft. You know, 1931 01:34:39.960 --> 01:34:42.640 it's hard to do. It's hard to trade for those 1932 01:34:42.720 --> 01:34:46.920 kind of guys as a rebuilding team especially, and let's 1933 01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:49.920 just be blunt, like in a market like Salt Lake 1934 01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:52.640 City where you're in rebuild, it's impossible to sign that 1935 01:34:52.720 --> 01:34:53.800 kind of guy in free agency. 1936 01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:55.960 Yeah, that's the bottom line, all right. 1937 01:34:56.399 --> 01:34:59.840 We were all gathered around our television sets on Tuesday night, 1938 01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:02.199 and obviously is the guy that wrote the book on Luca, 1939 01:35:02.239 --> 01:35:06.359 You're the guy to talk about this. And I feel like, 1940 01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:08.840 at least through the television tim it felt like there 1941 01:35:08.920 --> 01:35:11.359 was a lot of buzzs in that arena. Of course, 1942 01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:13.479 with Luca taking on the mats for the first time, 1943 01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:15.359 I wasn't sure if Nico was going to show up. 1944 01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:18.119 He did the over under I said on the show 1945 01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:20.520 for Luca points was forty. He didn't touch that, but 1946 01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:23.159 he did get a triple double. I'm really curious is 1947 01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:24.800 to see what it looks like when they go down 1948 01:35:24.840 --> 01:35:26.479 to Dallas. But what was it like to be in 1949 01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:29.359 the building and what was your takeaway as we saw 1950 01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:31.640 Luca play his former team for the first time. 1951 01:35:32.640 --> 01:35:35.680 Yeah, and you know, I thought Luca played well. With 1952 01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:37.960 the exception of shooting the ball. I thought he played 1953 01:35:37.960 --> 01:35:43.000 a very kind of poised and focused games. The Matters 1954 01:35:43.159 --> 01:35:46.520 were determined not to let him go off. They're they're 1955 01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:49.319 obviously trapping and double him a lot to you know, 1956 01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:52.399 to make sure he even had that forty point type 1957 01:35:52.399 --> 01:35:55.079 of performance. And he doesn't have his legs right now. 1958 01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:58.439 He had He's had one good offensive performance, one good 1959 01:35:58.439 --> 01:36:02.319 scoring performance, I should say, uh for the Lakers. You know, 1960 01:36:02.359 --> 01:36:06.079 since the trade. You know, he doesn't have his legs. 1961 01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:08.640 You can tell when when you know, when he's not 1962 01:36:08.720 --> 01:36:13.560 making threes. The thing that I think surprised me was 1963 01:36:13.680 --> 01:36:16.720 I thought this would be a full Luca Rage type 1964 01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:20.000 of performance, and he saw a little glimpse of that. 1965 01:36:20.199 --> 01:36:22.319 Like midway through the fourth quarter, he knocks in that 1966 01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:24.359 three of the time out, he looks at the mass dance, 1967 01:36:24.399 --> 01:36:26.439 he's glaring and he's yelling all that kind of stuff. 1968 01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:29.479 But there wasn't a whole lot of back and forth. 1969 01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:32.880 You know, he made a point like he pretended, oh 1970 01:36:32.920 --> 01:36:35.960 I didn't know, I didn't see me, Okay, Like he 1971 01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:38.119 made a point not to have any level of interaction 1972 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:41.880 with Niko Harrison or with Jason Kidd, which tells you that, 1973 01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:44.960 you know, Luca didn't quite by because j Kid wasn't 1974 01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:47.239 aware of anything until the eleven dour stuff, and that 1975 01:36:47.279 --> 01:36:53.319 would put myself in that same boat. But the prevailing 1976 01:36:53.520 --> 01:36:56.720 emotion from Luca in terms of the Matticks, I don't 1977 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:59.800 think his anger right now. I think it's more sadness, 1978 01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:03.640 and you know he's I think he will find joy 1979 01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:07.159 with the Lakers. I think he's he's searching for it 1980 01:37:07.239 --> 01:37:10.319 right now, and it's not feel like, Look, they're gonna 1981 01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:13.079 win games. He's got a good relationship with JJ Reddick, 1982 01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:17.439 you know, looked up to Lebron his entire childhood, loves 1983 01:37:17.479 --> 01:37:19.840 doing Phinney Smith at timmdy Hand Dallas. Like, I think 1984 01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:22.640 Luke is going to be just fine, is gonna, you know, 1985 01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:26.079 have a great run here with the Lakers. Well, he's 1986 01:37:26.119 --> 01:37:29.720 still getting over basically getting dumped publicly and shamed out 1987 01:37:29.720 --> 01:37:30.479 his way up the door. 1988 01:37:31.199 --> 01:37:34.520 You reference the Jason Kidd element here, the Jason kidds 1989 01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:38.439 side of this and look, you know far more about 1990 01:37:38.439 --> 01:37:41.000 this situation than probably any medium member, let alone me. 1991 01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:44.800 I just thought, as a head coach, it would be 1992 01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:47.520 really hard to see a player like that traded away 1993 01:37:47.640 --> 01:37:49.520 because if you have Luca, you got a shot, and 1994 01:37:49.560 --> 01:37:52.199 these guys are wired to win. And Jason Kidd, once 1995 01:37:52.279 --> 01:37:54.239 upon a time was as fierce a competitor as a 1996 01:37:54.239 --> 01:37:56.800 player as anybody as you know. So now that a 1997 01:37:56.840 --> 01:37:59.119 few weeks have passed, have you been able to kind 1998 01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:02.760 of uncover exactly what he knew when he knew it 1999 01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:05.000 in the hand he played in this decision, if any 2000 01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:05.319 at all. 2001 01:38:06.479 --> 01:38:08.600 I can't tell you what he knew in terms of 2002 01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:10.600 like the trade discussions and all that. I can just 2003 01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:14.600 tell you he was absolutely as frustrated with Luca as 2004 01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:17.640 Nico Harrison was in terms of the diet, the conditioning that, 2005 01:38:17.720 --> 01:38:20.279 you know, all the stuff that I've talked about I've 2006 01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:24.000 report has been reported by other people. Nico was not 2007 01:38:24.159 --> 01:38:26.960 on an island with that. Jay Kidd was right there 2008 01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:29.560 with him on that. And I can also tell you 2009 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:33.600 that Jason Kidd was right there with Nico in terms 2010 01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:37.640 of his fondness for Anthony Davis. Nico obviously had a 2011 01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:41.560 you know, decade long relationship with Ad. You know, from 2012 01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:44.960 Nico's time at Nike, aside from Cobe Bryant, he was 2013 01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:47.279 probably closer to a d than any other player that 2014 01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:49.960 he worked with there. But Jason Kidd also has a 2015 01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:52.960 really good relationship with Ad. Remember j Kidd, it's been 2016 01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:54.960 a couple of years as an assistant coach in LA 2017 01:38:55.079 --> 01:38:58.560 before getting hired as a head coach in Dallas. And 2018 01:38:58.920 --> 01:39:02.000 one of those years they won a championship in the bubble. 2019 01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:09.600 You know, Ad was his guy. So again, I I 2020 01:39:09.680 --> 01:39:12.319 don't I'll put it like this. I don't think Jason 2021 01:39:12.399 --> 01:39:15.399 Kidd was disappointed by this trade. I'm very confident in 2022 01:39:15.399 --> 01:39:15.920 saying that. 2023 01:39:16.399 --> 01:39:21.039 So you know, I always hesitate to, you know, bring 2024 01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:23.560 things on the internet into real life because I don't 2025 01:39:23.600 --> 01:39:25.640 know how real it is. It just seems like there 2026 01:39:25.800 --> 01:39:28.039 is a bit of a smear campaign going on from 2027 01:39:28.439 --> 01:39:31.279 the Mavericks because every time I fire up NBA Twitter, 2028 01:39:31.319 --> 01:39:34.560 it's smoking a hookah and drinking beers, and then there's 2029 01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:36.880 pictures of Luca and you know a lot of people 2030 01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:39.880 are It's just it's a different era in a lot 2031 01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:43.079 of different ways, not just in basketball, but society. Like 2032 01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:45.640 you know, we could talk about back in the day, 2033 01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:49.039 the party habits of a Michael Jordan, the party and 2034 01:39:49.119 --> 01:39:50.600 habits of a lot of players back then. 2035 01:39:50.680 --> 01:39:52.399 Certainly I saw it, you know, I was around a 2036 01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:52.800 lot of it. 2037 01:39:53.159 --> 01:39:56.720 And the younger generation just doesn't seem to They seem 2038 01:39:56.760 --> 01:39:59.560 to have a different relationship and the fundamental understanding of 2039 01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:02.279 the DERs of maybe alcohol and drug use and such. 2040 01:40:02.319 --> 01:40:06.399 So maybe it's a different mindset just overall. But is 2041 01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:09.600 this Dallas behind the scenes trying to because I don't look, 2042 01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:11.359 I'm just have the opinion you can't spin this. 2043 01:40:11.479 --> 01:40:13.199 It's a bad trade. You don't make no matter what. 2044 01:40:13.720 --> 01:40:16.239 But is this Dallas behind the scenes trying to spin 2045 01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:18.560 it to help people understand that maybe this is something 2046 01:40:18.600 --> 01:40:19.359 they needed to do. 2047 01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:21.840 And you know, I don't know if it's so much 2048 01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:24.319 even trying to spin it, but just like what that 2049 01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:26.600 what were you thinking? Well, this is why they made 2050 01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:29.760 the trade. And look, it is not breaking news that 2051 01:40:29.880 --> 01:40:33.960 Luka Dontch likes to have a Bruce ski or two scheme, right, Like, 2052 01:40:34.600 --> 01:40:36.119 did you know that before he was traded? 2053 01:40:36.199 --> 01:40:38.159 I was aware of I was aware. 2054 01:40:37.960 --> 01:40:40.319 Of course, you knew that before he is traded. It 2055 01:40:40.399 --> 01:40:42.920 is not breaking news that the man's got a voracious 2056 01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:46.560 appetite and sometimes can get pretty pudgy. Like you knew that. 2057 01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:49.800 You've watched him throughout his career. You know you've seen 2058 01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:53.840 him like I reported going back to Jay Kids first year, 2059 01:40:54.079 --> 01:40:57.199 Rick Carlisle's last year, Luca was tipping the scales over 2060 01:40:57.239 --> 01:41:01.199 two sixty back then. And of those seasons, this has 2061 01:41:01.239 --> 01:41:05.239 been something that's been, you know, a constant issue. It's 2062 01:41:05.359 --> 01:41:10.239 just for all those concerns, you say, well, okay, he 2063 01:41:10.279 --> 01:41:14.520 also made five straight first team All NBA squads. He 2064 01:41:14.640 --> 01:41:17.960 also led the league in scoring last year, almost averaged 2065 01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:21.279 a triple double, and you know, took your team to 2066 01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:25.000 the finals. So I don't necessarily think I don't think 2067 01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:26.800 it's like a whole lot of Hey, here's new stuff, 2068 01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:29.920 here's new stuff, because dude, the hookah stuff. The hookah. 2069 01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:32.680 At first, I honestly, the hookah thing I don't think 2070 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:37.640 was a big concern, like did he have hook on vacation, Sure, okay, whatever. 2071 01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:41.000 The beer drinking and all that stuff, that's much more 2072 01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:43.560 of a concern simply because it gets to the weight 2073 01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:47.119 and it gets to you know, all those all those uh, 2074 01:41:47.960 --> 01:41:51.600 the concerns about his body breaking down but it's not 2075 01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:54.840 like people just realize that that Luca likes to drink 2076 01:41:54.840 --> 01:41:55.239 a beer. 2077 01:41:56.119 --> 01:41:59.159 Do you feel like it's weird, because I guess there's 2078 01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:01.159 no way of fully no. I mean, I can tell 2079 01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:06.520 you that I saw firsthand myself the past iteration of 2080 01:42:06.520 --> 01:42:08.720 the jazz with Donovan and some of those guys. They 2081 01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:11.199 like to have a good time in certain areas here 2082 01:42:11.199 --> 01:42:13.720 in Salt Lake City and certain places where Donovan lived, 2083 01:42:13.720 --> 01:42:15.439 there were a lot of parties that were being thrown. 2084 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:19.199 But is there a different approach with the younger generation 2085 01:42:19.800 --> 01:42:22.119 juxtaposed to kind of the old guard. Look, I know, 2086 01:42:22.199 --> 01:42:24.800 nobody's smoking heaters at halftime like lott I was, But 2087 01:42:25.319 --> 01:42:29.399 is there right, is there like a different like cultural 2088 01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:33.239 approach in pro basketball to taking care of their bodies 2089 01:42:33.319 --> 01:42:35.479 in a way that maybe it wasn't a thing back. 2090 01:42:35.359 --> 01:42:35.760 In the day. 2091 01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:40.319 I mean, there's obviously a lot more science involved in it, 2092 01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:43.760 and you know, I think it's a much higher priority 2093 01:42:43.880 --> 01:42:48.880 for teams, so it becomes a higher priority for players. 2094 01:42:49.560 --> 01:42:51.880 But like, if you think Luke is the only guy 2095 01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:55.920 in the league that enjoys having a drinker six, then 2096 01:42:55.960 --> 01:42:59.159 I don't know what to tell you. You know, and like 2097 01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:03.239 you know there's a big wine culture in the NBA. Like, Okay, 2098 01:43:03.640 --> 01:43:07.479 I don't know, man, I just again, I get like 2099 01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:09.880 the fact that he gained weight during the season last 2100 01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:12.800 year while leading the league and usage rate and playing 2101 01:43:12.800 --> 01:43:15.079 thirty eight minutes per game, is you know, with a 2102 01:43:15.159 --> 01:43:17.439 full time quote unquote body team. Like, I get it, 2103 01:43:17.479 --> 01:43:24.680 that's pretty alarming. But I just, you know, I don't. 2104 01:43:24.720 --> 01:43:27.119 I don't think the guy's like waking up and pouring 2105 01:43:27.159 --> 01:43:30.880 beerd his cheerios or anything. Okay, Like I you know, 2106 01:43:31.159 --> 01:43:36.720 I'm like, I understand the concerns with the beer drinking 2107 01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:40.600 because it's it becomes a conditioning thing. I I would 2108 01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:45.439 be cautious on portraying this guy as having like a 2109 01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:50.800 serious alcohol problem. I just I just think that Luca's 2110 01:43:51.199 --> 01:43:54.079 postgame routine is very similar to mine. 2111 01:43:55.159 --> 01:43:56.840 Right, And I've experienced that routine. 2112 01:43:56.840 --> 01:44:01.399 It's a fun routine, yeah, you know, and and unfortunately 2113 01:44:01.800 --> 01:44:04.279 a lot of times I think his off seasonta overt 2114 01:44:04.279 --> 01:44:09.359 of mine too. Certainly the all Star break routine at times. 2115 01:44:09.359 --> 01:44:11.279 For sure, And there's nothing wrong with it. You know, 2116 01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:14.399 you work hard, you should enjoy life, you know. I'm 2117 01:44:14.439 --> 01:44:16.439 not a lived to work guy. I'm a work to 2118 01:44:16.479 --> 01:44:18.720 live guy, and I think people should approach you that way. 2119 01:44:18.760 --> 01:44:20.359 Nothing wrong with it at all, especially when he went 2120 01:44:20.359 --> 01:44:22.359 to the finals a year ago, Like it couldn't be 2121 01:44:22.359 --> 01:44:24.920 that big of a deal. So Dallas obviously tim right 2122 01:44:24.960 --> 01:44:27.159 now with her grip of injury issues with their bigs. 2123 01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:30.680 You know what's interesting, Kyrie is kind of coming out 2124 01:44:30.720 --> 01:44:32.520 on the other side of this is like this hero 2125 01:44:32.840 --> 01:44:35.439 right for Dallas fans. And this is a guy that 2126 01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:38.279 was a lightning rod for criticism not that long ago. 2127 01:44:38.279 --> 01:44:39.800 A lot of people didn't even want to touch him, 2128 01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:41.520 someone as far as to say he shouldn't play pro 2129 01:44:41.560 --> 01:44:42.479 basketball anymore. 2130 01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:44.680 But what do you make of like the Kyrie side 2131 01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:44.880 of this? 2132 01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:47.479 And whenever he locks in the way he did against 2133 01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:49.600 the Lakers, I'm reminded that once upon a time I 2134 01:44:49.640 --> 01:44:51.920 did enjoy watching him, maybe as much, if not more 2135 01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:53.239 than any player in the league. 2136 01:44:53.319 --> 01:44:55.359 But you cover the team, what do. 2137 01:44:55.239 --> 01:44:56.920 You make of like the Kyrie kind of coming out 2138 01:44:56.920 --> 01:44:59.079 looking like maybe a hero for Dallas and this whole thing. 2139 01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:02.840 Well, I don't think that is something that's a sudden development. 2140 01:45:02.920 --> 01:45:05.239 I think that was the case last year too. Now 2141 01:45:05.479 --> 01:45:09.359 since his you know, he's he's like it's kind of 2142 01:45:09.399 --> 01:45:13.239 his team now, right, And he's the guy who's probably 2143 01:45:13.399 --> 01:45:18.520 handled this the best in terms of like empathetic towards Luca, 2144 01:45:18.800 --> 01:45:21.840 and you know, like, you know, they still have a relationship, 2145 01:45:21.920 --> 01:45:26.159 they still got a brotherhood. But and hey, like you 2146 01:45:26.239 --> 01:45:29.279 can find in private, Luca's not coming back. Kyrie's got 2147 01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:31.880 a team to lead, he's got games to try to win, 2148 01:45:32.399 --> 01:45:35.760 and you know, he's been handling his business as far 2149 01:45:35.800 --> 01:45:38.520 as that goes. But you know, I don't think there's 2150 01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:41.279 been a sudden shift in the Kyrie storingline. I think 2151 01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:44.520 he kind of earned his way into the hearts of 2152 01:45:44.560 --> 01:45:49.119 the Mavericks fans, certainly last year and especially during the 2153 01:45:49.119 --> 01:45:52.039 playoff run, but even before that. And you know, the 2154 01:45:52.039 --> 01:45:55.600 simple fact is Kyrie has been the leader of this team. 2155 01:45:55.680 --> 01:45:57.960 He wasn't their best player last year, but he was 2156 01:45:58.039 --> 01:46:01.520 absolutely the leader. He was the the primary voice in 2157 01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:04.399 the locker room. And you know, despite his track record 2158 01:46:04.479 --> 01:46:07.960 of chaos and his previous stops, he has been a 2159 01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:12.319 constant source of like calm for the Mavericks and that's 2160 01:46:12.520 --> 01:46:17.760 something they obviously really really needed after the NBA much 2161 01:46:17.800 --> 01:46:20.840 less the franchise was rocked by this shocking trade. 2162 01:46:21.359 --> 01:46:24.920 Well, my take remains, do not make that trade. 2163 01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:28.239 There actually is a lot to like about the Mavericks 2164 01:46:28.319 --> 01:46:31.880 roster if they can get right Lively, Gaffer and obviously 2165 01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:32.159 a D. 2166 01:46:32.880 --> 01:46:34.239 So where we at with those three? 2167 01:46:34.520 --> 01:46:36.560 Do you think they can get back in time to 2168 01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:39.319 be in shape for the playoffs? And if so, what's 2169 01:46:39.399 --> 01:46:41.319 the ceiling for this Mavericks team this year? 2170 01:46:42.279 --> 01:46:44.680 And you know, talking to my people with the Mavericks, 2171 01:46:46.039 --> 01:46:47.720 the hope is that they're going to get two or 2172 01:46:47.720 --> 01:46:50.560 three weeks of AD and liveing together at the end 2173 01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:53.479 of the regular season. You know, how much rhythm and 2174 01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:56.319 rapport and you know, kind of chemistry can you establish. 2175 01:46:56.359 --> 01:46:58.680 And I don't know if it's going to be eight games, 2176 01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:01.159 ten games, whatever it may be, I don't know, But 2177 01:47:01.199 --> 01:47:03.760 that's the reality of the situation. That's what they're going 2178 01:47:03.800 --> 01:47:07.720 to have. There's not as much optimism the Gaffer is 2179 01:47:07.720 --> 01:47:09.560 going to be able to get back and be a 2180 01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:13.439 significant part of this. He you know, grade three spraying 2181 01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:17.119 of the MTL basically means he towards MCL so he 2182 01:47:17.560 --> 01:47:20.239 definitely has the toughest injury of the three to deal with. 2183 01:47:20.439 --> 01:47:25.119 But so Gafford and I'm sorry, live L and AD 2184 01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:27.800 is supposed to be reevaluated next week. They're not returning 2185 01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:32.359 next week, but they will if things continue progressing as 2186 01:47:32.359 --> 01:47:35.319 they are, get back at some point in March. 2187 01:47:35.920 --> 01:47:38.640 Are you buying the optimism in Golden State? I think 2188 01:47:38.640 --> 01:47:41.319 they're seven and one with Jimmy Butler and a lot 2189 01:47:41.319 --> 01:47:43.960 of people. And look, Jimmy has shown us that he 2190 01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:46.119 come playoff time. He's one of those dudes you just 2191 01:47:46.159 --> 01:47:48.960 have to admit that he is. So I'll ask you 2192 01:47:48.960 --> 01:47:51.159 the same question, are you buying that optimism? And what's 2193 01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:53.119 best case scenario for Golden State this year? 2194 01:47:54.359 --> 01:47:58.479 Splash and crash splashes, Steph crashes Jimmy, you like that? 2195 01:47:58.600 --> 01:48:00.000 I like that's really good. 2196 01:48:00.399 --> 01:48:04.439 Yeah. Uh, They're definitely better than they were before the trade. 2197 01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:09.680 And obviously it looks Stephon. I mean, they've got some 2198 01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:12.960 guys who are big time champions that you have to respect. 2199 01:48:13.079 --> 01:48:18.119 Jimmy Butler's you know, really had two overachieving heat teams 2200 01:48:18.159 --> 01:48:21.359 make the finals in large part because he is one 2201 01:48:21.399 --> 01:48:27.880 of those dudes who can just absolutely dominate playoff series. Yeah, 2202 01:48:28.079 --> 01:48:30.439 I don't think they were gonna win the West, Like, 2203 01:48:30.680 --> 01:48:33.560 is it within the realm of possibility? Sure, but I 2204 01:48:34.079 --> 01:48:37.000 don't think they have like even a double figure percentage 2205 01:48:37.119 --> 01:48:38.640 chance of putting the Western Conference. 2206 01:48:38.800 --> 01:48:41.439 Who keeps Mark dagnalld up at night? Is it Denver 2207 01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:42.399 more than anyone else? 2208 01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:49.119 Uh? Yeah, I think I think Denver, And honestly, yes, 2209 01:48:49.239 --> 01:48:51.279 Denver is the one who's the who's the biggest challenge. 2210 01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:54.439 I don't think there's any question about that. But you know, 2211 01:48:54.720 --> 01:48:57.840 I don't think anybody's like just super excited about seeing 2212 01:48:58.039 --> 01:49:02.720 a Luca Lebron tandem in a playoff series. The Lakers 2213 01:49:02.760 --> 01:49:05.199 have a hole in the roster. I mean, clearly they 2214 01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:09.920 thought they needed a starting rim running center, and you know, 2215 01:49:10.960 --> 01:49:13.520 they flunk Mark Williams on a physical so that didn't happen. 2216 01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:17.399 But the Lakers, they've been playing, they've been playing good 2217 01:49:17.399 --> 01:49:20.800 basketball even before the Luca trade, you know, even without 2218 01:49:20.840 --> 01:49:25.159 a d and Luca's not himself quite yet, but we've 2219 01:49:25.199 --> 01:49:27.479 seen what that guy can do in the playoffs for sure. 2220 01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:29.880 A reminder of how fleeting this stuff is. Since you 2221 01:49:29.920 --> 01:49:32.319 and I last spoke, Victor wemen Yama shutdown for the year. 2222 01:49:32.319 --> 01:49:34.920 In Greg Popovich will not coach the Spurs this season. 2223 01:49:35.880 --> 01:49:38.640 I'm anticipating them losing the rest of their games and 2224 01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:41.520 drafting Cooper flag to play an extra Victor wemen Yama. 2225 01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:44.199 But what are your thoughts him on the latest happenings 2226 01:49:44.239 --> 01:49:45.079 in San Antonio. 2227 01:49:46.000 --> 01:49:48.760 Yeah, and I was there and often the day the 2228 01:49:48.800 --> 01:49:51.640 Wimby stuff came out, so you know, I was able 2229 01:49:51.720 --> 01:49:54.720 to talk to people with the Spurs. They are very 2230 01:49:54.760 --> 01:49:57.800 optimistic that he's going to be fine long term, that 2231 01:49:57.840 --> 01:50:00.399 he's going to be able to be back to start 2232 01:50:00.439 --> 01:50:02.520 the next season. It's not going to be an issue 2233 01:50:02.800 --> 01:50:05.359 throughout the course of his career. So that obviously is 2234 01:50:05.760 --> 01:50:08.079 you know, it's it sucks that he's not playing the 2235 01:50:08.079 --> 01:50:11.479 rest of the season, but you know, it's good news 2236 01:50:11.479 --> 01:50:13.359 that they don't think this is something that's going to 2237 01:50:13.359 --> 01:50:17.359 be a lingering issue or you know Chris Bosh type 2238 01:50:17.359 --> 01:50:19.720 of saying, where it ruins a guy's career, in some 2239 01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:24.319 guy's career. I thought the news today with Pop and 2240 01:50:24.479 --> 01:50:26.000 that he's not going to coach to us the season. 2241 01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:28.800 We knew that it's that he plans to coach next season, 2242 01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:31.920 you know, and we'll see how his recovery goes and 2243 01:50:31.920 --> 01:50:35.279 how things progress. But you know, the short statement that 2244 01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:37.800 he that he left or that he sent out, you know, 2245 01:50:38.439 --> 01:50:42.000 it ended with you know, the hope to return to coaching, 2246 01:50:43.039 --> 01:50:45.760 and you know, that's making it very clear that Pop 2247 01:50:45.880 --> 01:50:49.920 is not is not limping off in the sunset all right. 2248 01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:52.840 Before I said, you lose some very inspirational news that 2249 01:50:52.920 --> 01:50:56.840 Paul George is putting his podcast on pause to focus 2250 01:50:56.880 --> 01:51:00.960 on the rest of the season for Philadelphia. What they do, man, Like, 2251 01:51:01.039 --> 01:51:02.880 how do you get out of this? What happens next 2252 01:51:02.880 --> 01:51:03.640 in Philadelphia? 2253 01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:08.239 The Philadelphia top sixers? You know, can they keep that 2254 01:51:08.359 --> 01:51:11.920 top six protected pick? That's the big quest, that's I mean, 2255 01:51:12.079 --> 01:51:14.359 and be it's about to get shut down. We know that, 2256 01:51:15.399 --> 01:51:17.880 so that that's the first big question. The second big 2257 01:51:17.960 --> 01:51:19.920 question is, you know, does Inbeid try to get out 2258 01:51:19.920 --> 01:51:22.960 of there? And then if he does, what kind of 2259 01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:26.920 market is there for him? With almost yeah, I guess 2260 01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:29.520 after this year will be like with almost two hundred 2261 01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:33.640 fifty million O to them over the next four years. 2262 01:51:34.319 --> 01:51:38.640 You know, I don't know the answers those, but clearly 2263 01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:42.239 a team that thought they won the summer. You know, 2264 01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:45.840 they had a little free agency parade, but it's a 2265 01:51:45.920 --> 01:51:49.560 complete mess up there in Philadelphia. And the the big 2266 01:51:49.640 --> 01:51:53.079 question is who's gonna who's gonna lose their jobs? Who 2267 01:51:53.680 --> 01:51:57.239 is going to pay for this mess by losing their jobs. 2268 01:51:57.560 --> 01:51:59.479 Is Darryl Moore going to get a chance to clean 2269 01:51:59.520 --> 01:51:59.920 this up? 2270 01:52:00.439 --> 01:52:00.640 You know? 2271 01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:04.000 Is Nick Nurse a proven championship coach? Is he going 2272 01:52:04.039 --> 01:52:07.600 to be the fall guy? It's it's not going to 2273 01:52:07.640 --> 01:52:09.680 be a celebratory summer in Philadelphia. 2274 01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:12.199 The media member that you got physical with, was it mcminnimon. 2275 01:52:12.239 --> 01:52:13.560 That's my best guess. 2276 01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:17.760 No, it wasn't. It wasn't davel though. Listen, I am 2277 01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:20.760 here in La right now. Let's go over on a 2278 01:52:20.800 --> 01:52:23.560 little while here to the arena for Little Wolves Lakers, 2279 01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:25.960 and you know, we'll see what happens tonight. I'm not 2280 01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:27.279 gonna rule it out, that's for sure. 2281 01:52:27.439 --> 01:52:31.079 Get after him. I want to beaf between McMahon and mcminnimon. 2282 01:52:31.119 --> 01:52:32.880 Did our one of our two of our favorites on 2283 01:52:32.920 --> 01:52:34.800 the show, all right? Tim enjoyed the game man, Thanks 2284 01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:35.079 for the. 2285 01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:37.199 Time, all right, all right, appreciate it. Broth. 2286 01:52:37.640 --> 01:52:40.840 Andy Larson claims he has a video of two local 2287 01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:42.159 media members going at it. 2288 01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:44.439 I need to see that it wasn't me, by the way, 2289 01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:45.239 it wasn't me. 2290 01:52:46.039 --> 01:52:49.880 Uh, to quote Shaggy great song. I'm going to think 2291 01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:53.319 about my best guess now, don't sing it. I'm going 2292 01:52:53.359 --> 01:52:56.640 to think about my best guess and I'll give it 2293 01:52:56.680 --> 01:52:58.800 to you before the end of the show. Two Salt 2294 01:52:58.840 --> 01:53:01.960 Lake Media members on video going at it outside. 2295 01:53:01.960 --> 01:53:04.840 Oh you know what. One of them is Tony. 2296 01:53:05.439 --> 01:53:06.319 It might be Tony. 2297 01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:07.760 My one guest is TJ. 2298 01:53:08.359 --> 01:53:11.439 All Right, wrapping up the program here on a Thursday afternoon, 2299 01:53:11.520 --> 01:53:14.920 some breaking news. I guess Travis Kelcey is gonna play 2300 01:53:14.960 --> 01:53:17.800 in twenty twenty five. So shout out to all the 2301 01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:20.600 Swifties who love football. Now I know who Travis kelsey is. 2302 01:53:21.760 --> 01:53:25.199 He announced it earlier today on the Pad McAfee show. 2303 01:53:25.199 --> 01:53:28.520 Because that's the deal, I guess. So Travis kelce back 2304 01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:32.159 with the Kansas City Chiefs next year. Light Night of 2305 01:53:32.319 --> 01:53:35.079 local action. The Utah Hockey Club is in action tonight 2306 01:53:35.079 --> 01:53:38.479 against Minnesota. So good NBA games, Warriors and the Magic 2307 01:53:38.479 --> 01:53:41.039 are going on right now. We've got Nuggets and Bucks. 2308 01:53:41.039 --> 01:53:44.560 That's your early game on Turner and then the Timberwolves 2309 01:53:44.600 --> 01:53:48.359 and the Lakers from Crypto dot Com Arena and the 2310 01:53:48.359 --> 01:53:51.920 t Wolves will be in town tomorrow. Rudy Gobert and Nikhil, 2311 01:53:52.000 --> 01:53:56.119 Alexander Walker, Mike Conley back in action in town for 2312 01:53:56.239 --> 01:53:59.359 the team well against the team they played here, played 2313 01:53:59.359 --> 01:54:01.399 for here once lot of time. They're all jazzmn At 2314 01:54:01.399 --> 01:54:04.000 some point the Hornets and the Mavericks are also in 2315 01:54:04.119 --> 01:54:07.479 action Pelicans suns as well. So yeah, light night on 2316 01:54:07.560 --> 01:54:10.760 the local hoop side after a jam pack night last night. 2317 01:54:11.960 --> 01:54:12.520 So there you go. 2318 01:54:13.279 --> 01:54:17.840 The hooligans have cleared the area. So no skateboarding going on. 2319 01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:23.279 Good outside, which again is a little bit nerve racking 2320 01:54:23.319 --> 01:54:25.760 when you're leaving and there's a bunch of young people 2321 01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:30.840 skating with cameras obviously creating content for YouTube. We live 2322 01:54:30.840 --> 01:54:33.039 in a society. There are rules here. Can we just 2323 01:54:33.159 --> 01:54:35.000 respect the rules? Is that too much to ask? 2324 01:54:35.119 --> 01:54:37.600 Are saying no skateboarding? Is that your rule? 2325 01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:37.800 No? 2326 01:54:37.960 --> 01:54:40.840 Not no skateboarding, but not like right outside in traffic 2327 01:54:40.920 --> 01:54:41.720 that's obnoxious. 2328 01:54:41.760 --> 01:54:43.319 That's fair. They're stopping cars. 2329 01:54:44.439 --> 01:54:46.159 Yeah, you have a fair point, all right. 2330 01:54:46.439 --> 01:54:50.319 Before we say good night, news broke today that Jordan Schultz, 2331 01:54:51.479 --> 01:54:56.600 two NFL insiders got to fight in Starbucks verbal altercation. 2332 01:54:56.800 --> 01:55:00.800 Also just some context here. One of them is an 2333 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:02.479 heir to Starbucks. 2334 01:55:02.079 --> 01:55:05.760 Jordan Schultz father Howard Schultz. Does he still own Starbucks 2335 01:55:05.840 --> 01:55:06.880 or do you sell? Yeah? 2336 01:55:06.920 --> 01:55:08.880 Wow, at least I mean I don't know how much 2337 01:55:08.920 --> 01:55:10.960 equity he's got in it at the moment, or ownership, 2338 01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:13.800 whatever it is. But there's a let's just say there's 2339 01:55:13.800 --> 01:55:14.680 some there's some pennies. 2340 01:55:14.760 --> 01:55:18.319 Leanter, I'm sure he's doing just fine. Jordan Schultz is pop, 2341 01:55:18.399 --> 01:55:20.039 Howard Schultz owned Starbucks. 2342 01:55:20.439 --> 01:55:21.640 Maybe this was intentional. 2343 01:55:22.079 --> 01:55:25.720 And then Ian Rapaport from the NFL Network reportedly got 2344 01:55:25.720 --> 01:55:29.279 into it at a Starbucks as a result of conflicting 2345 01:55:29.399 --> 01:55:33.000 reports of a story that Tom Brady took Matt Stafford's scheme. 2346 01:55:34.119 --> 01:55:38.000 So yeah, very mature behavior from these two. And so 2347 01:55:38.039 --> 01:55:42.520 Andy Larson said that he has video evidence of two 2348 01:55:42.640 --> 01:55:46.239 reporters from our market getting into it after a jazz 2349 01:55:46.319 --> 01:55:50.319 game physically. Well did he say physically. 2350 01:55:50.319 --> 01:55:51.760 It was Tony and Sarah? 2351 01:55:52.039 --> 01:55:53.640 Oh wow? Oh wow wow. 2352 01:55:54.279 --> 01:55:56.720 He didn't say physically, right. I think he said they 2353 01:55:56.760 --> 01:55:59.039 were just kind of nosed and nose yelling at each other. 2354 01:55:59.039 --> 01:55:59.720 I think. 2355 01:55:59.319 --> 01:56:01.520 So, I'm ready to give you my guests. 2356 01:56:01.960 --> 01:56:07.600 Ready, I'm ready, Tony Jones, Eric Waldon, Okay, that's a 2357 01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:08.399 that's my guests. 2358 01:56:08.439 --> 01:56:11.479 That might be actually it And it's funny because we 2359 01:56:11.520 --> 01:56:13.399 are just kissing. I have I have seen Tony like 2360 01:56:13.439 --> 01:56:18.720 in those press rooms get I'll say bothered. Uh, So 2361 01:56:19.159 --> 01:56:21.079 we'll see maybe that's maybe that's the one. Maybe we'll 2362 01:56:21.079 --> 01:56:22.039 bring Tony on grilling. 2363 01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:24.640 I know Tony was mad at me once. I came 2364 01:56:24.680 --> 01:56:26.319 in here, and Tony was mad at me once. I 2365 01:56:26.319 --> 01:56:28.279 don't know what I could just tell. Do you know 2366 01:56:28.319 --> 01:56:29.039 why he was mad. 2367 01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:29.600 At me that one day? 2368 01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:29.920 Oh? 2369 01:56:29.960 --> 01:56:30.279 In here? 2370 01:56:30.359 --> 01:56:33.359 No, he was doing I don't know if he was 2371 01:56:33.399 --> 01:56:34.560 filling in for Bill. 2372 01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:35.920 It was me and Tony for Bill. 2373 01:56:36.119 --> 01:56:37.159 I think that's what it was. 2374 01:56:37.359 --> 01:56:40.439 And I don't know because sometimes I will call Tony 2375 01:56:40.479 --> 01:56:44.600 out for what I perceive to be lack of entire transparency, 2376 01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:46.960 if that's fair to say, Like when he tweets out 2377 01:56:46.960 --> 01:56:48.760 that he's five eleven or whatever, I'm like, dude, if 2378 01:56:48.760 --> 01:56:51.840 you're five eleven, I'm six four. Our guys like five six, 2379 01:56:51.920 --> 01:56:55.439 five seven. So I know Tony can get a little emotional. 2380 01:56:55.560 --> 01:56:58.600 He's my guy, love him. But and then I think 2381 01:56:58.640 --> 01:57:01.760 at some point Tony and Eric outside. So my guess 2382 01:57:01.840 --> 01:57:04.560 is it is Tony Jones and it is Eric Walden 2383 01:57:04.640 --> 01:57:06.319 as the two media members that got into it. 2384 01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:11.199 I I can't disagree there. I don't have any like 2385 01:57:11.439 --> 01:57:13.600 guesses off the top of my mind, but It wouldn't 2386 01:57:13.640 --> 01:57:16.159 put me past it, put it past them. I do 2387 01:57:16.319 --> 01:57:18.520 know that. Like, if that is the case, Tony and 2388 01:57:18.600 --> 01:57:20.840 Eric are like buds, they'll, you know, they'll make up, 2389 01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:23.680 they'll be buddies afterwards. But I could see them getting 2390 01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:24.319 after it as well. 2391 01:57:24.399 --> 01:57:26.680 Is there one media member you'd like to verbally accost 2392 01:57:26.720 --> 01:57:27.279 in our market? 2393 01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:27.680 Uh? 2394 01:57:29.840 --> 01:57:34.239 One, that's my of course, there's one. I've got a 2395 01:57:34.319 --> 01:57:34.840 nice list. 2396 01:57:35.600 --> 01:57:38.319 Yeah, I've got a list. 2397 01:57:38.840 --> 01:57:43.359 You said that with like a vindictive tone. Is there 2398 01:57:43.439 --> 01:57:45.079 is there something you want to talk about air out 2399 01:57:45.399 --> 01:57:46.600 on live radio right now? 2400 01:57:46.760 --> 01:57:48.239 I don't know if on air is the place to 2401 01:57:48.279 --> 01:57:51.600 air it out. Okay enough, but. 2402 01:57:50.520 --> 01:57:53.560 Before we saying, can you imagine being junior tafoonis size 2403 01:57:53.560 --> 01:57:55.359 and running a five zero three forty? 2404 01:57:55.479 --> 01:57:56.600 No, that's impressive. 2405 01:57:56.760 --> 01:57:59.199 No, uh yeah, if you can get anywhere near the 2406 01:57:59.239 --> 01:58:02.399 fives right when you work with those guys there, they 2407 01:58:02.399 --> 01:58:05.319 would love to see a four pop up on that screen. 2408 01:58:05.319 --> 01:58:08.479 But that is really rare for any sort of defensive 2409 01:58:08.520 --> 01:58:11.600 lineman offensive, especially the interior guys. That's a good number 2410 01:58:11.600 --> 01:58:15.239 for junior, it will at least, and the little inside 2411 01:58:15.279 --> 01:58:17.760 baseball here is that the scouts aren't gonna look at 2412 01:58:17.760 --> 01:58:19.319 that number. They're gonna go in and say, oh, he 2413 01:58:19.399 --> 01:58:21.399 ran the forty. Now let's go look at his first 2414 01:58:21.399 --> 01:58:23.840 ten yard split. That's the number they want to look at. 2415 01:58:24.039 --> 01:58:26.039 And for Junior it's it's a pretty good one. So 2416 01:58:26.520 --> 01:58:29.000 they'll at least get some attention, some eyes on his film. 2417 01:58:29.199 --> 01:58:31.439 And that's that's the goal. A combine week. 2418 01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:34.199 Yeah, good stuff for Junior to foo today. Karanny Reid 2419 01:58:34.920 --> 01:58:37.520 as well as Bran Keithy Tyler Batty is there for 2420 01:58:37.600 --> 01:58:40.199 bringing me young. So the combine rolls along for u 2421 01:58:40.279 --> 01:58:44.840 NFL fans that are just starving for NFL contents. All right, 2422 01:58:44.880 --> 01:58:47.000 time to Sagan I Porter what comes our way? On 2423 01:58:47.119 --> 01:58:49.960 a Friday edition of the radio show, we'll. 2424 01:58:49.840 --> 01:58:52.159 Finish off the week with a little bit of everything. 2425 01:58:52.199 --> 01:58:55.279 Howard Beck stops by for your NBA Daily Assists. We'll 2426 01:58:55.279 --> 01:58:57.479 talk some golf, of course with our friend Paul Pugmyer 2427 01:58:57.520 --> 01:59:01.119 of Utah Golf Radio, some RSL with one Pablo Mastro 2428 01:59:01.399 --> 01:59:05.359 any the gap for Gordon Monson might stop by, and 2429 01:59:05.399 --> 01:59:09.600 then I'll probably shoot a text at Jordan Schultz please 2430 01:59:09.640 --> 01:59:11.399 do we'll go in that direction. 2431 01:59:11.479 --> 01:59:13.279 I've had Jordan on the show before. 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