Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 2: Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. All right, we're into
Speaker 2: February already, my friends. Yeah, I mean it's like blink
Speaker 2: of an eye, January is gone. It's really for me
Speaker 2: and I live in San Francisco, so we're a multi
Speaker 2: racial area, San Francisco Bay Area, and so I'd really
Speaker 2: like to follow the Chinese New Year. It just feels
Speaker 2: more natural because Christmas just is such a blistering you know,
Speaker 2: it's like get the gifts, go and meet people, celebrate,
Speaker 2: drink too much alcohol, eat too much sugar. It takes
Speaker 2: time to recover, really takes time to recover. So Tuesday,
Speaker 2: February seventeenth is the Chinese New Year. It's the fire Horse.
Speaker 2: Go look it up, Go do a search for a
Speaker 2: Chinese astrology, and one thing you'll find is it's much
Speaker 2: more accurate. And I don't know it's because they used
Speaker 2: the constellations or rather than just the planets, or they've
Speaker 2: been doing it for a lot longer than these Western astrology.
Speaker 2: I just have more. I have more. I just like it.
Speaker 2: It seems to be more in line with my lifestyle.
Speaker 2: And so New Year's is in February for me I
Speaker 2: get two New Years. I get January first of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six, and then I get February Tuesday, February seventeenth.
Speaker 2: And we have a large community, so there's a couple
Speaker 2: of different parades. You know. I used to love it
Speaker 2: as a kid because that's when they would light off
Speaker 2: what I thought were illegal fireworks, but they allow them.
Speaker 2: They allow the parade audience as well as the participants
Speaker 2: with the floats and everything to shoot off fireworks. So
Speaker 2: it's gonna be happy New Year's. Also, I'll let everybody
Speaker 2: know Happy New Year's on the seventeenth. But that's kind
Speaker 2: of my New Year's. And so I'm like kind of
Speaker 2: dragging around January with so fast I was recovering. I
Speaker 2: want to sleep late. I want I mean, the thing
Speaker 2: goes down early still, you know, so I'm not getting
Speaker 2: out enough. I mean, who is If it's really if
Speaker 2: you live in an area that's really cold, you don't
Speaker 2: want to go out. That's where you go to your gym.
Speaker 2: I'm lucky. I have a treadmill and waits at home,
Speaker 2: so I can do my thing at the house. And
Speaker 2: it's important. It's important to stay active, it really is.
Speaker 2: So hey, this is Cliff your host of Destiny And
Speaker 2: I hope you caught John Stewart Reid's program on Earth Ancients,
Speaker 2: because I have been getting just day lose by emails.
Speaker 2: One need to know more about this guy and his
Speaker 2: research on the acoustics inside the Great Pyramid where not
Speaker 2: only with a revelatory, but if he had a chance,
Speaker 2: if you didn't have a chance, go to Android or
Speaker 2: go to your Apple store, download the Semoscope app, because
Speaker 2: he is he's invented this thing. It's twelve bucks, I think,
Speaker 2: and you put it on your you put it on
Speaker 2: your phone and it creates visual compositions for sound, so
Speaker 2: you see the sound, including your voice. You can actually
Speaker 2: see what your voice looks like. Or perhaps there's a
Speaker 2: piece of music that you really like, play the first
Speaker 2: minute or two and see what happens. It's really very,
Speaker 2: very cool. And what he's trying to show is is
Speaker 2: that these are sonic patterns that can provide various states
Speaker 2: of awareness, consciousness, which is kind of the same thing,
Speaker 2: and in some cases healing. And we all need to
Speaker 2: be have some regular healing because we're bombarded by the
Speaker 2: TV or bombarded by the Wi Fi, our internet and
Speaker 2: our phones, and I think the phones have gotten out
Speaker 2: of hand. I think people are relying on them too much.
Speaker 2: I was in Berkeley this weekend and I was close
Speaker 2: to UC Berkeley off of telegram or telegraph, and everybody
Speaker 2: was headed down on their phones and they barely bumped
Speaker 2: into the various buildings and other people. It's really, it's
Speaker 2: really quite amazing to see. I mean, if I'm walking
Speaker 2: on a street, I'm not gonna be pulling my hand
Speaker 2: at my phone out every damn second. I'm gonna look
Speaker 2: at it and then keep going. You know, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at it to figure out where I'm going, looking at
Speaker 2: it to perhaps answer the phone or text somebody real quickly.
Speaker 2: But god damn it, it's like it's addicting, and I
Speaker 2: can see why people carry it around a lot. So
Speaker 2: But anyhow, the acoustic physicist John Stewart Reid was amazing.
Speaker 2: The show went viral. We're about to launch it on
Speaker 2: the YouTube channel. If you don't watch YouTube, start watching
Speaker 2: it because we have both a Destiny channel. Go to YouTube,
Speaker 2: go to Destiny, and we have Earth Ancients and Earth
Speaker 2: Ancients of course being around much longer. We're celebrating our
Speaker 2: eleventh year those programs are very insightful, and this interview
Speaker 2: with John Stewart Reid shows you not only his studio,
Speaker 2: but gives you a little more insight into the equipment
Speaker 2: he's developed from this one event where he went into
Speaker 2: the Great Pyramid and using certain sound frequencies, discovered not
Speaker 2: only the interior was designed in a specific way, but
Speaker 2: when they used these frequencies, these hieroglyphics came up on
Speaker 2: this PVC plastic film. And then the big news, and
Speaker 2: if you got to hear this interview, if you haven't,
Speaker 2: the big news is he went in there with probably
Speaker 2: either a herniated disk in his lower back or a
Speaker 2: fairly significant injury, where leading up to the time he
Speaker 2: was in the Pyramid, he was taking aspirin, and when
Speaker 2: he was doing these experiments in the King's chamber, he
Speaker 2: started feeling a good deal of relief. And if you
Speaker 2: listen to the interview, the relief was perceived to be temporary,
Speaker 2: but when he left, he was healed, his back didn't
Speaker 2: hurt anymore, and it was so so much of a
Speaker 2: profound experience that he quit his job and he developed
Speaker 2: a company based on this what he calls semantics. And
Speaker 2: if you go to and if you go to his website,
Speaker 2: John Stuart Reed sematic scope. The sematic scope invention has
Speaker 2: changed sound perception forever. You can actually see the aspects
Speaker 2: of sound, and apparently, according to him, when you see
Speaker 2: these sounds, it's also doing something to the brain, which
Speaker 2: does something to the body, which does something to do
Speaker 2: your frequency. So check it out. It was last Saturday's program,
Speaker 2: and it was a good one, a very special one
Speaker 2: that people are raving about. Today's program is on childhood trauma,
Speaker 2: and a lot of us have had childhood trauma. A
Speaker 2: lot of us have had difficult family life I had.
Speaker 2: I was the oldest of five brothers, and so my
Speaker 2: poor mother was not up to the task. So my
Speaker 2: dad got a housekeeper kind of cleaned things up. But
Speaker 2: a lot of parents don't know what the hell they're doing,
Speaker 2: and they don't know how to parent. My parents didn't
Speaker 2: know how to parent, and I used to tell my friends,
Speaker 2: you know, if it wasn't for my grandfather, who was
Speaker 2: a huge influence on my life, I don't know what
Speaker 2: the hell I would have done. I would have been
Speaker 2: a whild wild man. But I had a very difficult
Speaker 2: childhood and I later found out that a lot of
Speaker 2: my friends had dysfunctional childhoods too. But I encourage trauma
Speaker 2: and I went to therapists a couple of different times.
Speaker 2: But I think what we'll hear about today is the
Speaker 2: fact that we need to be more focused on these wounds,
Speaker 2: these trauma, traumatic experience that we've had as children, because
Speaker 2: it's really affecting us as an adult. And my guest
Speaker 2: today has made a significant inroad to understanding childhood trauma.
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Speaker 2: Has always happened. We talk about adult trauma quite a
Speaker 2: bit here on the podcast, but there is, according to
Speaker 2: my guest today, a growing awareness of childhood trauma and
Speaker 2: it's not being well attended to according to the statistics.
Speaker 2: My guest today is Michael Minard. He has written a
Speaker 2: book called Greater Than Gravity. How Childhood Trauma is pulling
Speaker 2: down humanity. And he has some starling demographics and facts
Speaker 2: that are I didn't have a clue about, and so
Speaker 2: we're going to learn a little bit a bit about
Speaker 2: it today. He is an inventor, he is a former executive,
Speaker 2: and he's an author of a number of books that
Speaker 2: I have found quite interesting. So, hey, Michael, welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 2: Great to have you on the program.
Speaker 3: Thanky to be here. Thank you talk about this book?
Speaker 2: Would you?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: This is and I have to tell my listening audience
Speaker 2: is over three hundred pages. He gets into every aspect
Speaker 2: of childhood trauma. What brought this up? You talk about
Speaker 2: your own childhood? Was it?
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you. I'll give you the short version
Speaker 3: of the journey. So I'm seventy five. I grew up
Speaker 3: with thirteen siblings, so fourteen of us, ten boys, four girls,
Speaker 3: and a nine hundred square foot home. We were below
Speaker 3: the poverty line. And I realized only when I wrote
Speaker 3: my memoir about four years ago, that what I and
Speaker 3: my siblings had experienced was complex childhood trauma. And I
Speaker 3: just thought I had her interesting but tough childhood. I
Speaker 3: also lost two brothers to heroin. I just thought that
Speaker 3: was I just marked that up to bad choices, you know,
Speaker 3: bad just bad choices in life. But when I dug
Speaker 3: into writing this memoir, I sought opinions of some Because
Speaker 3: I'm an inventor myself, I get an audience very quickly
Speaker 3: with authors, and I assembled a group of PhDs in
Speaker 3: Childhood Trauma and Recovery and unpacked this my childhood and
Speaker 3: I wrote this book, my memoir about my childhood, and
Speaker 3: I was very open about my survival and my siblings
Speaker 3: and how some of us crumbled and some of us didn't.
Speaker 3: And there was an outpouring from the from social media,
Speaker 3: from readers. I just thought the book would sell a
Speaker 3: couple of copies to my family, but for some reason,
Speaker 3: it organically started a spark and the world was breaking
Speaker 3: my door down, asking for more information, primarily asking for
Speaker 3: sufferers to help with advice on their own challenges in life.
Speaker 3: And I thought, what's going on? So I went under
Speaker 3: water for about two years and did kind of investigative
Speaker 3: reporting of what is this thing? How big is and
Speaker 3: what I found? I connected dots. I have consumed about
Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty peer research reports, about seventy books,
Speaker 3: one thousand interviews, with professionals and sufferers and connected some
Speaker 3: dots and greater than gravity is kind of hitting the
Speaker 3: alarm button. And I'm not being dramatic when I say
Speaker 3: it's how it's pulling down humanity. And so I wrote
Speaker 3: what I learned, and it's going to be launched March nineteenth,
Speaker 3: and let me just let me give you some headlines
Speaker 3: of how it's pulling down humanity so we can get
Speaker 3: into the definition. We can talk about that. But what
Speaker 3: I found is that there's one hundred and eighty million adults,
Speaker 3: so seventy percent of adults have experienced some form of
Speaker 3: what we would call classical childhood trauma, neglect, abuse, dysfunctional home.
Speaker 3: There's ten of those. They're called aces. Adverse childhood experience
Speaker 3: is not well known, not well known, but if you've
Speaker 3: had four or more of those, you are you're screwed.
Speaker 3: Basically unless you get resolution and healing. And trauma travels
Speaker 3: through the nervous system as a child. It affects the
Speaker 3: nervous system, the hormonal system, brain development. And of those
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty million adults, they're at risk. And
Speaker 3: if you've had six or more of these ten and
Speaker 3: by the way, I had, I've had six. You will
Speaker 3: die twenty years too soon. Not maybe you will die
Speaker 3: twenty years too soon on average. So it's playing out
Speaker 3: in my family. And I found and it's published in
Speaker 3: the book, that it is the number one cause of
Speaker 3: death in America, more than cancer, more than more than
Speaker 3: heart disease, more than stroke. It's the number one cause
Speaker 3: of addiction. Nine percent of all addicts have four or
Speaker 3: more of these aces a direct connection. It's the number
Speaker 3: one cause of SUGA side and the number one cause
Speaker 3: of incarceration. So what we see as problems opioid direct problem, no,
Speaker 3: their childhood trauma problems. And we've normalized it and there's
Speaker 3: a seventy percent prevalence and it's getting worse. In nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety eight, it was sixty three percent. Five years ago
Speaker 3: it was seventy percent. And this is based on massive research.
Speaker 3: Report just came out today that it's moved up to
Speaker 3: seventy six percent of all high school seniors have had
Speaker 3: some form. And it's actually a virus in your body,
Speaker 3: and it causes all kinds of social ills. It's costing
Speaker 3: America fourteen trillion dollars a year, and the cost of
Speaker 3: dealing with childhood trauma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read that. I was blown away by that
Speaker 2: huge number. What's the difference between childhood trauma and adult trauma.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're kind of the same, aren't they.
Speaker 3: In other words, are not they are not they are
Speaker 3: on the surface, they're the same. It's a disruption, it's
Speaker 3: something that should not have happened, and it's something that hurts.
Speaker 3: But here's the difference. If it happens before age eighteen,
Speaker 3: everything changes in the makeup of the of that person.
Speaker 3: So the first thing that happens is their their thermostat
Speaker 3: for cortisol, which is I guess run away from the bear.
Speaker 3: It gets stuck on open because they their mind and
Speaker 3: body is wired for survival, not for growth and love.
Speaker 3: So it changes the architecture of their brain. It changes
Speaker 3: their decision making, their pleasure centers their cravings. You know,
Speaker 3: when a kid has problems, he doesn't crave kale. He
Speaker 3: craves ice cream and chips and candy bars. So that's
Speaker 3: where all this it starts. It starts, and it changes
Speaker 3: the immune system, the horm modal system, and the brain structure.
Speaker 3: That does not happen in general with adult trauma. Adult
Speaker 3: trauma can typically be connected with PDSD. It's usually an
Speaker 3: event or it could be a horrible relationship of spousal trauma.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't change your biology. It changes your psyche
Speaker 3: and your well being, but it does not change your
Speaker 3: physiology in general. So that's the difference between childhood trauma
Speaker 3: which creates pathways for decades of destruction, where adults can
Speaker 3: usually recover from it quicker. That's the biggest difference.
Speaker 2: Okay, I get that. Now. One of the things that
Speaker 2: you you highlight in the book is that this is
Speaker 2: not just the United States, this is worldwide.
Speaker 3: Yes, we don't have I don't have access to as
Speaker 3: much data for the for the world. What I can
Speaker 3: tell you is it is a global epidemic. And that
Speaker 3: number one hundred and eighty million adults in America translates
Speaker 3: to about three point eight billion people in the world.
Speaker 2: It's huge. Let's focus on the United States in America
Speaker 2: because that's where most of your research is. Is it
Speaker 2: something about our Western culture that highlights this trauma? In
Speaker 2: other words, is it how we raise our kids? Is
Speaker 2: it our society as a whole? Talk about if you
Speaker 2: can the fund the foundation for this problem.
Speaker 3: I think you know we if we look at evolution
Speaker 3: and we look at how we were made and how
Speaker 3: we developed over you know, the last five five million years.
Speaker 3: We grew up in tribes, We grew up holding our young,
Speaker 3: we grew up with the support system, We grew up
Speaker 3: with people with being seen. Now fast forward to today's society.
Speaker 3: We neglect our children two jobs. You know, after school programs.
Speaker 3: Parents are home, they're exhausted. We've fallen upon some horrible
Speaker 3: myths like don't hold your child too much, it will
Speaker 3: spoil them and is based on the data now we have,
Speaker 3: it is so wrong. So we have evolved. Our society
Speaker 3: has evolved to a place where making childhood trauma worse.
Speaker 3: And in America specifically, we are like a factory for trauma.
Speaker 3: We are we are setting up ourselves to perpetuate and
Speaker 3: to increase trauma giving.
Speaker 2: Because we're like being as good as the Joneses kind
Speaker 2: of attitude and having to be one up and always
Speaker 2: working hard to have the the best car, the nicest home.
Speaker 2: That kind of stress.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and it's it. It translates into neglect. And
Speaker 3: we don't think of ourselves as as blackible parents. But
Speaker 3: if particularly in the first couple, of years. If we
Speaker 3: are not fully attentive, if that child doesn't see a warm,
Speaker 3: regular carecake, caretaker's face, that is rested, that it tends
Speaker 3: to food, love, skin to skin, developed sideways. We develop
Speaker 3: for survival and that to our children. So that's part
Speaker 3: of the other part is our you know, we have
Speaker 3: an incarceration pathway where if a adult, a parent gets
Speaker 3: put in jail, it totally disrupts the home from a
Speaker 3: support point of view, fatherless homes, pain, shame, destruction, and
Speaker 3: if you are a child in the home of someone
Speaker 3: who's incarcerated, you have an eighty seven percent probability that
Speaker 3: you will be in the prison system before you are
Speaker 3: twenty five years old. It's pathway, it's an engine. It's
Speaker 3: an engine, and so we keep it going and we
Speaker 3: you know, we have generational trauma, but in the United States,
Speaker 3: many of our policies just breed it. If you think
Speaker 3: about the worst of the worst, that is foster children.
Speaker 3: There's about five hundred thousand foster children in the United States.
Speaker 3: If you if you're placed in a in a foster
Speaker 3: care or an orphanage or a holding tank for date,
Speaker 3: you you have on average already six of those aces.
Speaker 3: So child going into the into the system is already broken.
Speaker 3: They're already broken. And yet the parents who are receiving
Speaker 3: the child, hopefully because of love and care, they have
Speaker 3: no idea of how to raise a child with that
Speaker 3: with those with those wounds, so they don't understand the neurobiology.
Speaker 3: We give them a we give them a two hour course,
Speaker 3: and we say a prayer, and we become foster parents,
Speaker 3: and we get overwhelmed because we don't know how to
Speaker 3: handle the child, so we give the child back fifty
Speaker 3: percent of the time we give the child back. What
Speaker 3: does that do? It re traumatizes the child. It says
Speaker 3: I'm worthless. It's says nobody loves me. But yet, if
Speaker 3: we trained foster parents, if we certified foster parents and
Speaker 3: the understanding and the neurobiology of a suffering child, we're
Speaker 3: going to help heal, not re traumatize. When a person
Speaker 3: when a person who's suffering from this goes to their
Speaker 3: church and asks for help, what did they do well,
Speaker 3: they say, well, we'll pray for you, or you have
Speaker 3: to have more faith, and they're rea traumatizing that person
Speaker 3: because they need healing and the church doesn't know how
Speaker 3: to heal all the church doesn't shame them further, and
Speaker 3: they walk away broken because they didn't receive the healing
Speaker 3: or the peace they expect. So we are we've created
Speaker 3: this machine in our country to not just you know,
Speaker 3: we talk about being trauma informed. That's just that's those
Speaker 3: are such hollow words. Inform means we know it exists.
Speaker 3: In my book, I make a at the end, I
Speaker 3: talk about the solution, and the solution in my mind
Speaker 3: is that we must become trauma responsive is very different
Speaker 3: than trauma informed, and we need to educate our teachers,
Speaker 3: our social workers, our therapists, our ministers, and our priests.
Speaker 3: They have no idea and it's not out of malice,
Speaker 3: it's out of ignorance. So we need to wake up.
Speaker 3: The purpose of the book is a wake up call
Speaker 3: to say, you know, if you're not feeling right, if
Speaker 3: you're not thriving, it could be because of the childhoody experience.
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to dig up bones or blame parents.
Speaker 3: It's not about that at all. It's just a reality
Speaker 3: that seven out of ten people have experienced some form
Speaker 3: of childhood trauma that has altered your psyche, altered your
Speaker 3: physiology and will affect you in years, you know, in decades,
Speaker 3: in relationships and job performance. I've in the book it
Speaker 3: shows that corporations in America, the top two thousand corporations
Speaker 3: in America are losing two trillion dollars a year and
Speaker 3: lost productivity because of this, because of addictions, suicide, depression
Speaker 3: forty four percent of all depression in the United States.
Speaker 3: Its root is in childhood trauma and everything I say,
Speaker 3: you know, I want you to prove me wrong. But
Speaker 3: there's one hundred and thirty references in the back of
Speaker 3: the book that proves all of this. This is not
Speaker 3: my data. This is the coming together of data that
Speaker 3: we've been that experts have been talking to themselves about
Speaker 3: it for thirty years. We need to talk to each other.
Speaker 3: We need to talk to the world about it. Not
Speaker 3: just one psychiatrist to another or treating patient at a time.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a crisis.
Speaker 2: Would you say this is a generational issue where you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, my parents came out of the war Second
Speaker 2: World War, and I know for a fact that my
Speaker 2: father was terribly traumatized in the navy. He was blown
Speaker 2: off to destroyers, and I don't know if they were
Speaker 2: able to recover. I don't think he recovered. They didn't
Speaker 2: think about psychotherapy back then. So is this something that
Speaker 2: is an evolution that you're talking about. Is it the
Speaker 2: worst phase of it right now or is it our
Speaker 2: parents and their parents' parents and so forth and so forth.
Speaker 3: I think I think there's a couple of aspects to that.
Speaker 3: One is just simply generational trauma. So my father sounds
Speaker 3: like our fathers were at the same place at the
Speaker 3: same time. He was in the Navy, he was in
Speaker 3: World War Two, and he came back. He started out
Speaker 3: with a bunch of childhood trauma. His father beat him,
Speaker 3: his father was an alcoholic, but he came back from
Speaker 3: the war different. This is what I hear. Yeah, people
Speaker 3: forgot the healing. These people never got the healing, so
Speaker 3: they take it out in bad parenting. And so my generation,
Speaker 3: our generation, you know, I grew up in the fifties
Speaker 3: and the sixties. We had tough ass fathers, and part
Speaker 3: it's not all bad because you know, we grew up
Speaker 3: with grit and resilience, but because they didn't get their healing,
Speaker 3: we we we are the victims. And until you stand
Speaker 3: up and say it stops with me. So I said
Speaker 3: that with five daughters, I said, it stops with me,
Speaker 3: and I had the foresight to make that decision. And
Speaker 3: so my children have no trauma. But there's two aspects.
Speaker 3: One is generational, it's environmental. The other is it actually
Speaker 3: lives at our DNA. It's called epigenics, right, that in
Speaker 3: print on our DNA, so that if you have a
Speaker 3: history of abuse, you're likely to be abuser. It's in
Speaker 3: our genes and there's ways of reversing that through intervention.
Speaker 3: We are adaptable, we can heal. That's the good news.
Speaker 3: The good news is there's a promise of healing. It's
Speaker 3: not a life sentence that if you have this and
Speaker 3: you're experiencing all of these disabilities and disorders that you
Speaker 3: read in my book, there's a pathway forward. And that's
Speaker 3: what we pick up the world too. And a lot
Speaker 3: of it has to do with self care. As an example,
Speaker 3: the diet of our children. I mean, if you're a
Speaker 3: traumatized child, the cortisol is going to destroy mitochondria in
Speaker 3: your cells in your brain. Poor diet continues that destruction.
Speaker 3: Lack of sleep creates more quartersol, which kills more so
Speaker 3: it's a downward spiral, and then we say, oh, we
Speaker 3: need something to take the edge off before we go
Speaker 3: to sleep, and then we be addicted to the comfort.
Speaker 3: Not for getting high, but it's medication. It's medication trying
Speaker 3: to we're trying to heal ourselves in the wrong way.
Speaker 2: Do you see the results of this trauma in today's adults.
Speaker 2: Do you see a society that is on a downward
Speaker 2: spiral because they are not functioning to the level that they.
Speaker 3: Could absolutely talk about absolutely so for I don't know,
Speaker 3: I get these ideas what I'm meant when I'm doing
Speaker 3: the research, and I started to have this visualization of
Speaker 3: if you had a magic spectrum or a spectrum that
Speaker 3: we could agree upon. Think of the number line. On
Speaker 3: the left hand side, it's a negative ten, and on
Speaker 3: the positive side it's a plus ten in the middle
Speaker 3: of zero neutral. I've actually created that wellness scale, and
Speaker 3: I've given a number. I've given a definition to every number.
Speaker 3: It's not perfect, but I'm a by trade, I'm a
Speaker 3: decision scientist, and I've written books on the subject of
Speaker 3: decision making and using multiple variables to come to a conclusion.
Speaker 3: When you don't have accurate data. So I created this
Speaker 3: thing and then I started asking everyone I've talked to,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna ask you. I'm gonna put you on
Speaker 3: the spot. You can't see it.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
Speaker 2: our sponsors to identify themselves, and we'll return shortly with
Speaker 2: my guest today, Michael Minard, discussing his new book Greater
Speaker 2: Than Gravity, will be right back. I guess today's author,
Speaker 2: Michael Minard. He has done a great deal of research
Speaker 2: on childhood trauma, not only in the United States but globally,
Speaker 2: and this is something that is affecting our culture in
Speaker 2: a significant manner.
Speaker 3: But where do you think society is on the spectrum?
Speaker 3: And zero is numb, no pain, no happiness. Negative ten
Speaker 3: is suicidal, you don't want to live? Thriving is I'm
Speaker 3: the very best I could ever be? Yeah, very best
Speaker 3: I could ever be. So let me put you on
Speaker 3: the spot and ask where you want are on that spectrum,
Speaker 3: just roughly so we can start the conversation, and then
Speaker 3: I'll talk about what the averages of six hundred people
Speaker 3: I've pulled.
Speaker 2: You mean me personally or my perception of our society.
Speaker 3: You personally, you personally. I mean, you're on You're you're
Speaker 3: an expert on thriving, right, Well, I have.
Speaker 2: I've reinvented myself about five different times. And I've done
Speaker 2: that because I am kind of a I'm a trained artist,
Speaker 2: but I'm also a business marketing person, so I know
Speaker 2: it needs to be done to stay thriving in a business.
Speaker 2: But I'm fairly happy. I'm not happy with our country though,
Speaker 2: And this is what's upsetting to me, is that I
Speaker 2: think we're at a crossroads, especially with our current government.
Speaker 2: I think that to allow what's happening to persist means
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of unhappy people that surround me.
Speaker 3: I'm going to resist. It's difficult for me. I'm going
Speaker 3: to resist engaging in that discussion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you. That's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna because I have very strong points of view
Speaker 3: on and I'm sure you do too, and i'm sure
Speaker 3: the listeners. I don't want to alienate anyone, but your
Speaker 3: point is valid. There are lots of miserable people, and
Speaker 3: they're on both They're on both extremes of that spectrum. Right,
Speaker 3: they're on both spectrums. But let me, you're trying to
Speaker 3: wease a lot of giving me a number.
Speaker 2: What's your number of satisfaction?
Speaker 3: Ten positive? Ten is thriving the best you could be
Speaker 3: as a human. Zero is you're just numb. You're not
Speaker 3: no pain. Okay, so I say seven, that's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: The average of six hundred and thirty people that I've
Speaker 3: asked now, the average score is two.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: If you think, if you think about seventy percent, if
Speaker 3: you think about seventy percent of the world of the
Speaker 3: United States have experienced some form of childhood and trauma,
Speaker 3: You're going to think there's a whole bunch of us
Speaker 3: that are down at that, you know, down at that,
Speaker 3: down on the negative numbers. And what we got to
Speaker 3: do first is heal and come to zero, and then
Speaker 3: we have to thrive. Right, So we got to get
Speaker 3: rid of the pain. And we are a society filled
Speaker 3: with unhappiness and pain. So from this research, I see
Speaker 3: every person differently. I have because of my because of
Speaker 3: this simple education, I have empathy for everyone. I was
Speaker 3: in I was at a at a subway waiting to
Speaker 3: get a sandwich, and there was a gentleman who had
Speaker 3: just lost his mind, I mean just he was so
Speaker 3: mad and and normally I would say, hey, dude, get
Speaker 3: the hell out of here. You know, I don't want
Speaker 3: to hear this crap dead. I went up and said, hey, friend, man,
Speaker 3: you really seem agitated. How can I help? How can
Speaker 3: I help? And he says, I'm just trying to get
Speaker 3: a sandwich for five dollars. I have five dollars and
Speaker 3: there's no sandwich that I can get, even a half
Speaker 3: a sandwich for five dollars. I said, I tell you what,
Speaker 3: let me let me buy lunch for you. You have
Speaker 3: any sandwich you want, and then let's sit and talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he said, really, how about a cookie too? I said,
Speaker 3: a cookie too?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he sat down heard his story. He'd been almost
Speaker 3: for twenty years living in his car. He just got
Speaker 3: diagnosed with stage four colon cancer, and a week ago
Speaker 3: he tried to hang himself and he had big, big
Speaker 3: stitches on his neck and he was going to die
Speaker 3: in about six weeks. And we dismissed people like that
Speaker 3: as just being mean angry. No, no, we're not born
Speaker 3: mean or angry. We all are suffering and we need.
Speaker 3: You know, there's this thing about attachment at at childhood,
Speaker 3: at birth, that's very important. But we need attachment life long.
Speaker 3: We need it as adults. I needed it at seventy five.
Speaker 3: I need human connection, and we are losing it. And
Speaker 3: now we're dividing each other, and we're making half of
Speaker 3: the country our enemy because of our because of our
Speaker 3: friggin political views, and we see each other as enemies.
Speaker 3: I have a relative who I love, and she just
Speaker 3: posted if any of you voted for Trump, I am
Speaker 3: no longer your friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have friends like that too.
Speaker 3: Think of that, Think of that insanity, Think of that hate.
Speaker 3: Think of what that does to their day, right, and
Speaker 3: they've just lost. She's telling me, you know, if I voted,
Speaker 3: I'm saying I did or not, But if I was
Speaker 3: the one who voted for Trump, she doesn't want anything
Speaker 3: to do with me to ka because I'm her enemy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, horrible. It's very difficult.
Speaker 3: So I'm babbling a bit, but I think it's all
Speaker 3: it's all accelerating in the wrong way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how does community step up in this situation? Because
Speaker 2: as we progress as a society, the resources appear to
Speaker 2: be dwindling. Of course, you know, if you're in a
Speaker 2: really bad state, you can check yourself into a psych ward,
Speaker 2: but nobody does that anymore. And the other thing related
Speaker 2: to the community's ability to support their citizens is that
Speaker 2: a lot of people, not only in my generation, but
Speaker 2: in earlier and later generations, find that going to a
Speaker 2: psychologist is a of weakness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff there. First of all, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we have to take that stigma away. We have to
Speaker 3: we have to take the mental health you know, seeking
Speaker 3: mental health healing. We have to take that stigma away
Speaker 3: because if we don't, we're never going to heal. That's
Speaker 3: number one. Number two, I'm extremely critical of the mental
Speaker 3: health field. I have found that after twenty years and
Speaker 3: twenty billion dollars invested by the National Institute of Mental Health,
Speaker 3: we have made and they admit it, zero progress on
Speaker 3: mental health healing. So we don't We're focused on the smoke,
Speaker 3: not the fire. We're focused on symptoms, not the cause.
Speaker 3: And my research shows that ninety five percent of all
Speaker 3: licensed therapists have no education on the neurobiology of a
Speaker 3: suffering child. They don't know, they didn't learn about it.
Speaker 3: They might have. I know more now as an engineer
Speaker 3: than ninety five percent of all psychiatrists and psychologists. They
Speaker 3: don't get it in school. Social workers don't get it
Speaker 3: in school. Teachers don't get it in school. Counselors don't
Speaker 3: get it in school. They learn cognitive behavior therapy that
Speaker 3: will not heal childhood trauma wounds. So yeah, we need
Speaker 3: to open it up, but we also need to educate
Speaker 3: our healers to what we're actually suffering from because they
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: And when you say neurobiology, are you suggesting that there
Speaker 2: are signs that someone is suffering with trauma and there's
Speaker 2: a questions or physical manifestations that they should be looking at.
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing is that you have to if
Speaker 3: you're thinking of it yourself as an individual or a
Speaker 3: loved one, you have to think about their their well being,
Speaker 3: their happiness, and usually what comes up our disorders, disorders, anger, anger, eating, alcoholism,
Speaker 3: those are you know, you can some are diseases, some
Speaker 3: are disorders. But it's a malfunction of the human right,
Speaker 3: a malfunction of the human So what I'm saying, what
Speaker 3: I'm the message I'm putting out there is that if
Speaker 3: something doesn't feel right now, this probably would not resonate
Speaker 3: with you, you being you know, a positive a positive seven.
Speaker 3: But if you're having stress in aspects of your life,
Speaker 3: you need to ask yourself why. You need to ask
Speaker 3: yourself what could be the root of that, and what
Speaker 3: is the solution? And I'm saying there's seventy seven out
Speaker 3: of ten that the answer is I had adverse childhood
Speaker 3: experiences that have affected me affected me. And before this research,
Speaker 3: I just I thought all of that was just fluff.
Speaker 3: I just thought it was just fufu. But now I
Speaker 3: believe it's everything. Not because I'm brainwashed, It's because I'm
Speaker 3: educated and I've been on a journey that I continue
Speaker 3: on and I'm launching this book Greater than Gravity, but
Speaker 3: on the solution side. In June, I'm launching a second
Speaker 3: book that is titled Bleeding in the Pews, and it's
Speaker 3: talking about how seventy percent of people in every church
Speaker 3: is suffering and the church isn't doing what it needs
Speaker 3: to do to heal. I've got another book coming out
Speaker 3: in September that is Bleeding in the Boardroom. It shows
Speaker 3: how corporations are paying for absenteeism, presenteeism, turnover that they've
Speaker 3: just normalized. And if you've had four or more of
Speaker 3: these aces, that means thirty percent of the population, you're
Speaker 3: going to be at best, you'll be at sixty percent capacity.
Speaker 3: As far as work productivity, You're going to take more
Speaker 3: days off, you're gonna have more depression, you're gonna have
Speaker 3: more conflict with your with your with your with your
Speaker 3: mates in the workplace. And we we keep putting these
Speaker 3: wellness programs in that don't do anything. They don't they're
Speaker 3: not moving the needle at all, and they're spending spending
Speaker 3: billions on it. And you talk about community, How can
Speaker 3: we support this where we're we're we're already paying for it.
Speaker 3: We're already paying fourteen trillion dollars a year and mental
Speaker 3: health bills, physical bills, addiction centers, welfare. Let's repurpose that.
Speaker 3: Let's let's let's move a little bit to healing. The
Speaker 3: data in my book shows that every one dollar, one
Speaker 3: dollar invested in healing and recovery and prevention delivers one
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty one dollar return. This is data, This
Speaker 3: is this is science, this is math. The return on
Speaker 3: investment is huge. But yet we don't know what to do.
Speaker 3: We just keep looking the other way. I don't know why.
Speaker 3: You know, there's this phenot there's this human weakness of
Speaker 3: the gap between knowing and doing. We know, but we
Speaker 3: don't do. We kind of know about it, but we
Speaker 3: turn the other way and we just continue our behavior
Speaker 3: because we don't going to close that gap between knowing
Speaker 3: and doing. And I'm trying to create a movement, trying
Speaker 3: to get people to join this movement. I want to
Speaker 3: have a day where we all wear a T shirt
Speaker 3: with with our childhood score on the back from one
Speaker 3: to ten, and we open conversations and we understand each
Speaker 3: other more and we just look at that number we add,
Speaker 3: we nod and we smile and we give a fist bust.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, I'm with you. We need to bring
Speaker 3: back you know, the greatest healer of all is I
Speaker 3: don't want to be mushy, but it's love. It's love,
Speaker 3: and we're all If you take all the tears that
Speaker 3: fall in the in the world today and put them
Speaker 3: in big vats, the vat that's going to have the
Speaker 3: biggest label on it. It's going to say unloved. That's
Speaker 3: why we're crying. We're we're not seen, we're not loved,
Speaker 3: and we're lonely. Even in the midst of this. You
Speaker 3: know this dense population. Yeah, but maybe we're just babbling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's good stuff. Uh. It seems to me
Speaker 2: that our society isn't helping very much because it's kind
Speaker 2: of like it's all about me and I don't really
Speaker 2: care about anybody else. It's it's I need to make
Speaker 2: as much money as I can. I need to be
Speaker 2: as successful as I can, And you kind of leave
Speaker 2: the others to the side as your clients, especially as
Speaker 2: a young person, you know, getting out of school, and
Speaker 2: you don't really pay attention to these subtle traumas that
Speaker 2: you've experienced as a as a you know, as a
Speaker 2: young person, and I think it just grows and grows
Speaker 2: and grows. Would you say that our mental health care
Speaker 2: system is broken or is it just not addressing the
Speaker 2: problem correctly?
Speaker 3: Well, I can, I can speak freely about it because
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not a mental health professional, right, so
Speaker 3: there is no there is no question that it's broken.
Speaker 3: The only thing we've done, of meaning is come up
Speaker 3: with some really cool drugs to numb the problem. Drugs, drugs, pharmaceuticals, prescriptions.
Speaker 3: I mean that, do you think why do you think
Speaker 3: we have an opioid crisis? Why do you think we
Speaker 3: have an addiction crisis? Twenty million people in the United
Speaker 3: States are addicted to illegal drugs. That's not that's not
Speaker 3: even alcohol included. This is these are people that are addicted,
Speaker 3: that cannot function without it. And it's all medication, it's
Speaker 3: all healing. They think it's healing. You know, we want
Speaker 3: to stop the screams in our head, the dysfunction, so
Speaker 3: we will take a few drinks. Now we know that,
Speaker 3: you know, the third drink kind of calms everything down,
Speaker 3: and then we have to get something a little bit stronger.
Speaker 3: And then what we're doing is making everything worse. So
Speaker 3: that mitochondria that was killed in our childhood, that disabled
Speaker 3: our brain, we're making it ten times worse through the
Speaker 3: things we're putting in our bodies. It's killing moochondria, causing
Speaker 3: more sleeplessness. So I say it's totally broken. If you know,
Speaker 3: I met with I spoke at a conference of one
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty social workers. You know what social workers do, right?
Speaker 3: You know what they do? Almost everything they touch has
Speaker 3: to do with misery and trouble and just everything they do.
Speaker 3: And they're bookkeepers, they're policykeepers. They're not healers. They're not
Speaker 3: trained to be healers. They're gatekeepers. One hundred and sixty.
Speaker 3: I asked them to stand up, and I said, if
Speaker 3: you've never had a course on the neurobiology of childhood trauma,
Speaker 3: please sit down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Everyone sat down, And after that conference they lined up
Speaker 3: to talk to me. I'm an engineer, I'm an author,
Speaker 3: and they wanted to know more, where can I get
Speaker 3: the training?
Speaker 2: Where? You know?
Speaker 3: Do you know of any universities that I was talking
Speaker 3: to the head of psychology the professors that's head of
Speaker 3: psychology at a large Christian college, and I said to her,
Speaker 3: I said, you know, don't you feel a little bit
Speaker 3: guilty for not having any courses on the impact of
Speaker 3: childhood trauma? And she said, well, we do. I said, no,
Speaker 3: you don't. Says we do. Excuse me, we do? And
Speaker 3: I said, no, you don't. I talked to your dean
Speaker 3: an hour ago to verify. She said, let me call.
Speaker 3: She calls the dean, puts them on speakerphone, says, this
Speaker 3: guy tells me about She says, well, he's right, we
Speaker 3: don't have a course on it. Should we should? We?
Speaker 3: And this is a Christian college, you think they are
Speaker 3: a little bit more. But I find that the University
Speaker 3: of Texas is everywhere I talk. I try to find out.
Speaker 3: And so one university said they're going to take Greater
Speaker 3: than Gravity and turn it into a textbook and make
Speaker 3: a course out of it, so that you know, a
Speaker 3: light bulb went off. So I'm creating an online university
Speaker 3: called you Act Academy, where we're going to offer certification
Speaker 3: to all of these people. We're talking about certification for teachers,
Speaker 3: certification for therapists so that they become certified in trauma
Speaker 3: responsive care. And I'm want to make it a goal,
Speaker 3: and i want to make it so a teacher just
Speaker 3: can't even get a job unless they are trauma responsive certified.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get it all done in my lifetime,
Speaker 3: but I'm going to start the movement, and that university
Speaker 3: is going to be up and running June of this year,
Speaker 3: so we can start educating the healers, right because they
Speaker 3: don't know. Yeah, they don't know.
Speaker 2: So we're going to take a short commercial break to
Speaker 2: allow our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return
Speaker 2: shortly with my guest today, Michael J. Minard discussing his
Speaker 2: book on childhood trauma. Greater than Gravity will rejoin you shortly.
Speaker 2: My guest today is Michael J. Lenard. He has done
Speaker 2: a significant amount of research on childhood trauma in his
Speaker 2: book Greater Than Gravity, and this is a look at
Speaker 2: how it's affecting adults around the world. What are some
Speaker 2: of your wounds, Michael, talk about your own personal journey
Speaker 2: a little bit if you can, sure, uh, because because
Speaker 2: it's interesting for our listeners to understand specifics of not
Speaker 2: necessarily your failings, but of the of the physical, mental
Speaker 2: and outcomes. Right, the outcomes, Yeah, the manifestations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, it's the if you think of the
Speaker 3: the child types of childood trauma that I had, they
Speaker 3: were number one neglect. So I had no medical care.
Speaker 3: I I went hungry many times.
Speaker 2: No medical care you were injured, or just no medical
Speaker 2: checkouts as a young person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I had. I had. I had strep
Speaker 3: throat so often that it turned into at age ten,
Speaker 3: it turned into rheumatic fever, which attacked my heart and
Speaker 3: I was in the hospital for six months. And then
Speaker 3: at age sixty nine, my eertic valve closed because of
Speaker 3: reg fever. I had to have open art surgery Wow,
Speaker 3: there's a manifestation hunger. Hunger. If you go without food,
Speaker 3: you develop for survival and it forces. Well, the fancy
Speaker 3: word is food insecurity. Food insecurity, but it means I
Speaker 3: want to eat more than I need because I don't
Speaker 3: know when the next meal is going to come, and
Speaker 3: it gets so ingrained in your mind that even at
Speaker 3: this age, even with my awareness, even with all my healing,
Speaker 3: I still suffer from food in security. I will still
Speaker 3: order a pizza that's way too large for me and
Speaker 3: my family, and my wife has given up trying to
Speaker 3: talk me out of it. Another is neglect. You know,
Speaker 3: I interviewed my siblings and I just said, what do
Speaker 3: you think was the number one problem? What do you feel?
Speaker 3: And my brother Mark hit the nail on head and
Speaker 3: he says, I was invisible. I just wasn't seen. That
Speaker 3: sets off a whole bunch of dynamics. So, you know,
Speaker 3: there's this thing called the paradox of childhood trauma, and
Speaker 3: the paradox is, if you've experienced what I am my
Speaker 3: siblings experience, we're going to take one of two paths.
Speaker 3: You're going to go left, which is destruction, and you
Speaker 3: fall and collapse under the weight, or you take a
Speaker 3: right turn and you use it as rocket fuel for success,
Speaker 3: which is its own disorder. So mine was one of overachievement.
Speaker 3: I mean, you look at my resume, you look at
Speaker 3: my accomplishments. They are arm long patents, awards, credentials. I
Speaker 3: I've advised the United Nations, I've advised NASA, I've got
Speaker 3: some you know, I've transformed industries. I wanted to be seen.
Speaker 3: I suffered, and I'm realizing it now. So all those things,
Speaker 3: I just don't care about it anymore because I realize
Speaker 3: the other is I became tough as nails, so I
Speaker 3: I you know, when you have to fend for yourself,
Speaker 3: I fear no man. I can. I still size up
Speaker 3: every man that I'm that I'm in contention with, and
Speaker 3: the first thing I think of, where do I hit
Speaker 3: him first to take him out?
Speaker 2: That's a back alley mentality.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a disorder. I was. I was in a
Speaker 3: line at the TSA for going through or security in
Speaker 3: this big guy intentionally shouldered me, like get out of
Speaker 3: the way. I get and I turned around and I
Speaker 3: sized him up, and I knew what three punches I
Speaker 3: would throw to bring him right down to the ground
Speaker 3: right to knock him out. And I instead of that,
Speaker 3: I just pushed him in the chest and I said,
Speaker 3: you're not big enough. Don't try. Don't try. It's because
Speaker 3: I'm a badass. And is that productive? No, that's not productive.
Speaker 3: That's a you know, that's a you know, I joke
Speaker 3: about my disorders. I have all these world class therapists
Speaker 3: now that are working with me, and they all want
Speaker 3: to treat me. They all want to treat me. I
Speaker 3: have not been treated, they said. They they laugh and
Speaker 3: joke about it, and they want to know who's who's
Speaker 3: gonna be the one that finally gets me on the sofa.
Speaker 2: Who gets you on the mat?
Speaker 3: He's right when I say, I say, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm happy. I'm a plus nine by the way, Oh
Speaker 3: my god, plus yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, congratulations. Well that's before we get into some solutions, Michael,
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the detection. So if we're
Speaker 2: thinking we're happy and everything's good in our life, what
Speaker 2: are the signs that we got problems that we need
Speaker 2: to address. Because I think that we and I'm guilty
Speaker 2: of this as well. We we we pushed through our problems.
Speaker 2: You know what, I mean, yeah, yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: I think the biggest tell has to be, you know,
Speaker 3: a serious conversation with yourself about your well being. To
Speaker 3: stop for a moment and think about your life, think
Speaker 3: about your happiness, think about the people around you, think
Speaker 3: about the prices you might have paid or are paying
Speaker 3: for things not going your way, and ask yourself the question,
Speaker 3: could that you know, what can I do to move
Speaker 3: up that scale of thriving because I don't I don't
Speaker 3: want to be where I'm at anymore. And there's so
Speaker 3: many people that are saying that to themselves. They just
Speaker 3: don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of a subtle depression, is that what
Speaker 2: you're suggesting?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, it's a it's a something is not right,
Speaker 3: something is not right, and that something not right is
Speaker 3: it starts with mild depression and mild anxiety. Little things
Speaker 3: that trigger you that just make you a little bit
Speaker 3: pissed off. You know, traffic jam, it's not normal. It's
Speaker 3: not normal. If you have anything that you would consider
Speaker 3: to be an addiction, and I can list them sex, love, addiction, food, alcohol, gambling, shopping,
Speaker 3: anything that you do repeatedly that you know is not
Speaker 3: good for you. Why are you doing it? Why are
Speaker 3: you doing it? Particularly overeating. You know, we don't have
Speaker 3: an obcit problem in this country. We have a childhood
Speaker 3: trauma problem.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. So if you're kind of an overeater,
Speaker 2: that could be a warning sign that you're not.
Speaker 3: You know, it's food is this thing that we turn
Speaker 3: to most often for for soothing our discomfort. And you know,
Speaker 3: you talk and joke about comfort. Food has nothing to
Speaker 3: do with hunger. It has to do with sugar is
Speaker 3: a drug, and we go for you know, we go
Speaker 3: for the carbohydrate, to go for the bad stuff. So,
Speaker 3: you know, self examination also think about, you know, your
Speaker 3: partner the as closest to you, have you ever had
Speaker 3: a conversation, honest conversation between you about your childhood. I'm
Speaker 3: hearing over and over and over again stories that people
Speaker 3: are telling me, and I'll talk to anybody who I
Speaker 3: can talk to that they haven't told their spouse. They
Speaker 3: haven't told their spouse and why, Shane, It comes down
Speaker 3: to shad. So we keep it, We keep it to
Speaker 3: ourselves because we think it's because of us, we're not enough. So,
Speaker 3: you know, have the first step in healing of any
Speaker 3: of that discomfort is making a space to talk about
Speaker 3: it with somebody you trust. I'm not talking about a therapist.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about somebody you love, a brother, a spouse,
Speaker 3: a girlfriend, you know, a boyfriend. Just and if I
Speaker 3: tell you, what if you can't have that kind of
Speaker 3: talk with the person that you're most intimate with, you
Speaker 3: need a new partner. Yeah, that's true, right, you need
Speaker 3: a new partner. And the reality is, if you take
Speaker 3: two people, any random two people together, you have a
Speaker 3: ninety one percent chance that one of them has a dysfunction.
Speaker 3: You put three people together, it's ninety seven percent. So
Speaker 3: it's affecting everyone, and it has to do with your happiness.
Speaker 3: So all of you, all of you listening and watching,
Speaker 3: just stop for a moment and think, give yourself a score,
Speaker 3: and then say, I'm want to move it up. I'll
Speaker 3: move it up. And here's all I'm going to start.
Speaker 2: Do you have portions of your book where you outline
Speaker 2: how to identify these failings, these protections that you are
Speaker 2: talking about. Yes, hide the trauma.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's in the book. It's in the back half.
Speaker 3: It's in the back of the book. You have not
Speaker 3: gotten to that yet. But it really is. It's not
Speaker 3: a diagon, it's not for a diagnosis. It just says,
Speaker 3: and this is from the experts in the world. It's
Speaker 3: not for me. It says, here's the thirty things, the
Speaker 3: most common thirty things that are a warning sign that
Speaker 3: you might be suffering.
Speaker 2: The top thirty things that are physical, mental, spiritual. Are
Speaker 2: they only physical?
Speaker 3: Therefore physical? Mental, societal and spiritual? Oh?
Speaker 2: Societal?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, society. Get how are you getting along in society? Oh?
Speaker 2: I see how you integrate?
Speaker 3: Are you integrate? Are you a loner? Are you? Does
Speaker 3: everybody love you? Do you have a circle of friends?
Speaker 3: Because the sufferer, the first thing they do is is disconnect,
Speaker 3: and it makes everything worse. They disconnect from society because
Speaker 3: of the shame they think they're broken. And it's so
Speaker 3: many of us, Cliff, it's so many of us. Wow, millions,
Speaker 3: millions in the United States.
Speaker 2: Yeah. As we come to the conclusion of our time together, Michael,
Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about the solutions
Speaker 2: and what that means to you, because you're not a therapist.
Speaker 2: You're more of a recent search investigator, uh, and a
Speaker 2: professional person, which you can see in the book because
Speaker 2: it's it's very well written. What what are some of
Speaker 2: the suggestions that you present as solutions.
Speaker 3: Ye, So there's there's two there's two categories. The first
Speaker 3: category fall under the all under the the banner of
Speaker 3: self care things you can do with yourself, things you
Speaker 3: can do for yourself that do not require professional intervention.
Speaker 3: So they're they're they're pretty simple and for men they
Speaker 3: sound a little bit foofoo, but they're very efficacious. And
Speaker 3: in the book, there's a list of eight things that
Speaker 3: you can do for yourself, and I'll just hit on
Speaker 3: a few of them. Is first number one, be aware
Speaker 3: of what's going on in your in your body, in
Speaker 3: your mind. Don't sweep it under the carpet anymore. Be
Speaker 3: real with it. That's the first step. Second, find one person,
Speaker 3: one person that you trust that you can tell your
Speaker 3: story to once you've figured out what your story is,
Speaker 3: and get a conversation going and make room and ask
Speaker 3: for them to walk alongside you. Not to make excuses
Speaker 3: for your behavior, but you know, just have a conversation.
Speaker 3: And then there's the thing that there's three things that
Speaker 3: sound overly simplistic but have a profound ability to heal.
Speaker 3: The first is sleep. If you're sleep deprived. It's making
Speaker 3: everything worse. So find way to get eight hours of
Speaker 3: sleep eight hours on average. You know, some people need seven,
Speaker 3: some people need ten, but I think eight hours as
Speaker 3: a night's sleep, and find a way to get consistent sleep.
Speaker 3: Second is think about what you're putting in your mouth nutrition.
Speaker 3: Don't eat junk food because it's making everything worse in
Speaker 3: your biology. Focus on protein, Focus on fruits and vegetables,
Speaker 3: Stay away from all processed foods. Research that subject of nutrition.
Speaker 3: It's critical and it has to do with so many
Speaker 3: parts of your mind and your body. And the third
Speaker 3: thing of the three is find a way to get
Speaker 3: some movement on a daily basis. I'm not talking about
Speaker 3: going to the gym or running a marathon, talking about
Speaker 3: taking a walk in your backyard or your park, taking
Speaker 3: a stroll, riding a bicycle, doing something. Yeah, gym is
Speaker 3: fine too, but just like fifteen twenty minutes a day,
Speaker 3: find a way to do that because that builds mitochondria.
Speaker 3: So those three things you can do yourself, and they're
Speaker 3: in the book tips of how to do that. And
Speaker 3: then the last one of self care has to do
Speaker 3: with mindfulness. There's such power in mindfulness. Mindfulness is things
Speaker 3: like meditation, yoga, being still deep breathing for two minutes
Speaker 3: in the morning before you start your day. These things
Speaker 3: are transformative and these are all things you can do
Speaker 3: that begins the journey. Now, those are self help, and
Speaker 3: my experts say about seventy five percent of us can
Speaker 3: get our healing by doing the things I just told you.
Speaker 3: But now if it's more severe and you're suffering from
Speaker 3: things like addiction, self harm, psychosis, depression, deep depression, you
Speaker 3: need to find professional help. And in the book it
Speaker 3: talks about how to find a therapist, the kind of
Speaker 3: questions you ask a therapist, and you know it's there's
Speaker 3: stigma around it, there's a cost associated with it. This
Speaker 3: organization I founded you Act ACT. We're we're on a
Speaker 3: mission to make professional healing for for those who are
Speaker 3: suffering from childhood trauma free. So we're gonna make a
Speaker 3: super fund that takes care of that for those people.
Speaker 3: UH and you. In a year from now, you'll be
Speaker 3: able to type your zip code into our app and
Speaker 3: get a list of the people in your town that
Speaker 3: are you at qualified to treat childhood trauma.
Speaker 2: U ACT stands for United Against Childhood.
Speaker 3: Trumpa yep, yep. And the website is you ACT Now,
Speaker 3: n OW U A C T n OW Go to
Speaker 3: that website. Everything I'm telling you is on that website.
Speaker 3: We're just getting started. Click and add your name to
Speaker 3: the mailing list and you will get information every week.
Speaker 3: You will get a newsletter every week from you ACT
Speaker 3: that shares everything we're learning, everything you can do, asking
Speaker 3: you to join, telling a therapist where they can go
Speaker 3: to get certified, telling teachers where they can go to
Speaker 3: get certified. And we're gonna you know, with the launch
Speaker 3: of the book, which is really hitting the alarm button,
Speaker 3: and with people like you helping is to say, if
Speaker 3: you're not suffering, help us, help others, if you're not suffering,
Speaker 3: help us, help your spouse, your child.
Speaker 2: You know, I.
Speaker 3: Follow a group called Mothers for All Passive Recovery, and
Speaker 3: these are mothers of children who are recovering or or
Speaker 3: of children they've lost to addiction. And most of the
Speaker 3: time the addiction sprouted from childhood trauma that had nothing
Speaker 3: to do with the parents, and you know that is
Speaker 3: the So it's a whole movement of people helping other
Speaker 3: people and to get out of this this sense of
Speaker 3: tough love, and you know people have to hit the bottom. No,
Speaker 3: we have to keep addicts alive long enough to heal them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well to pushing them over the edge. So yeah, go
Speaker 3: to go to you act.
Speaker 2: Go.
Speaker 3: You can also go to my website Michael Jaminard dot com.
Speaker 3: It's where all of my books and my information are there.
Speaker 3: And if you want to want me to speak at
Speaker 3: your event, you can reach me there. But most of all,
Speaker 3: buy this book. Buy it, buy it for somebody else,
Speaker 3: tell somebody about it. Let's make it viral. If I
Speaker 3: can get this thing to be a best seller. It's
Speaker 3: not for fame or fortune. It starts the algorithms for
Speaker 3: the New York Times making it a best seller, for
Speaker 3: bookstores carrying it, for television stations, to book me, to
Speaker 3: talk to spread the word to millions of people, you
Speaker 3: know within an hour. So buy the book. Greater than Gravity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the book's called greater than Gravity. How child trauma
Speaker 2: is pulling down humanity? My guess today has been Michael J. Lenard,
Speaker 2: And thank you for your website information and the information
Speaker 2: in general, Michael is pretty fantastic. I think I think
Speaker 2: we're living our life without really paying attention to what
Speaker 2: the hell's going on. I think after time, which is marvel.
Speaker 3: But I did my whole life. I did my whole life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if it hadn't been for my wife nudging me very
Speaker 3: strongly to write my memoir because she was tired of me,
Speaker 3: she was tired of hearing me talk about doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she pushed me and actually drugged me to my desk
Speaker 3: and said, don't leave until you.
Speaker 2: Desk. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Credit to her. And it started this whole It started
Speaker 3: this whole journey where you know, there's a saying that
Speaker 3: each of us are responsible for the evil we are
Speaker 3: aware of and do not address. So now to you,
Speaker 3: so you have to pass it on to others and
Speaker 3: let's all shoulder this, this this load together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a YouTube channel, Michael.
Speaker 3: I think I own, but I need one. I need one.
Speaker 3: I'll sell one up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. People would love to hear you know videos, in fact,
Speaker 2: the younger generation almost exclusively. Of course, here's podcast via
Speaker 2: the YouTube channel, which is all video. So hey, thank
Speaker 2: you for joining me. Much success on this again for
Speaker 2: those of you listening, The book will not be out
Speaker 2: until March nineteenth, but I did see it the other
Speaker 2: day on Amazon, so and I think Michael, you said
Speaker 2: that you cannot pre order at this time.
Speaker 3: You cannot. You can, you can pre order the kindle version,
Speaker 3: but the printed book you're gonna have to wait. And
Speaker 3: you know, as soon as you can, go to my
Speaker 3: website and click it right wait from us and it'll
Speaker 3: it'll on March nineteenth.
Speaker 2: I can't remember your your website, is it? Michael J. Menard? Okay,
Speaker 2: well that's the easiest thing to do right now because
Speaker 2: the website is very well done and you've got a
Speaker 2: lot of good information on it. Hey, much success, Thank
Speaker 2: you for having me.
Speaker 3: We'll stay in touch. Thank you.
Speaker 2: He mentioned that the book's not going to be out
Speaker 2: for a while, for at least another month, and you
Speaker 2: can actually see versions of it if you go to
Speaker 2: Amazon and then good Books. But his website is excellent.
Speaker 2: Michael J. Menard, M. E.
Speaker 3: N A r D.
Speaker 2: Has all the details on just what you can expect
Speaker 2: in his presentation his book. Also, when you're on his website,
Speaker 2: check out the few videos he has. He's got some
Speaker 2: good videos where he gets into some information on just
Speaker 2: what you should be looking for as a wounded adult.
Speaker 2: And a lot of us are walking around wounded, and
Speaker 2: I mean It comes in all shapes and sizes. When
Speaker 2: I was divorced, I walked around with my guts hanging
Speaker 2: out from a good year, if not more. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of We go through a lot of trauma as
Speaker 2: adults as well. So anyhow, good subject, good talk, and
Speaker 2: a worthy book Greater than Gravity. Check it out. Hey,
Speaker 2: we're almost at the end of winter, which means it's
Speaker 2: time to think about spring, and that means that you
Speaker 2: should be thinking about getting away to Egypt. And that
Speaker 2: is one of the best places to be in the spring,
Speaker 2: not only because it's the perfect weather to see these
Speaker 2: ancient sites, but there's much much more to do when
Speaker 2: you have an it areas diversus ours. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: the seventh annual Grand Egyptian Tour that we do every year,
Speaker 2: and this one is scheduled for April twenty eight through
Speaker 2: May tenth. We all meet in Cairo. This is the
Speaker 2: place to be right now because the Cairo Museum just opened,
Speaker 2: this one billion dollar museum. You must have been hearing
Speaker 2: how frustrated I was over the years, and it's like,
Speaker 2: when is it going to be open? When? When? When? Well,
Speaker 2: it's now open, We're going to spend an entire day
Speaker 2: there that's worth the price of admission, but so much more.
Speaker 2: We're going to see ancient sites. We're going to see
Speaker 2: the Pyramids of the Sphinx. We're going to go to
Speaker 2: some of the oldest cities in Egypt. And not only
Speaker 2: do we travel in luxury, we spend time on the
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Speaker 2: Ancients dot Com Forward slash tours. Right, that's it for
Speaker 2: this program. I want to think my guest today Michael
Speaker 2: Menard discussing his newest book, Greater than Gravity, as always
Speaker 2: a team of guil Tour, Mark Foster and Feya Bavar.
Speaker 2: You guys rock all right, take care of you will
Speaker 2: and we will talk to you next time.
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