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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. All right, we're into

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<v Speaker 2>February already, my friends. Yeah, I mean it's like blink

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<v Speaker 2>of an eye, January is gone. It's really for me

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<v Speaker 2>and I live in San Francisco, so we're a multi

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<v Speaker 2>racial area, San Francisco Bay Area, and so I'd really

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<v Speaker 2>like to follow the Chinese New Year. It just feels

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<v Speaker 2>more natural because Christmas just is such a blistering you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like get the gifts, go and meet people, celebrate,

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<v Speaker 2>drink too much alcohol, eat too much sugar. It takes

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<v Speaker 2>time to recover, really takes time to recover. So Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>February seventeenth is the Chinese New Year. It's the fire Horse.

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<v Speaker 2>Go look it up, Go do a search for a

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese astrology, and one thing you'll find is it's much

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<v Speaker 2>more accurate. And I don't know it's because they used

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<v Speaker 2>the constellations or rather than just the planets, or they've

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<v Speaker 2>been doing it for a lot longer than these Western astrology.

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<v Speaker 2>I just have more. I have more. I just like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to be more in line with my lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 2>And so New Year's is in February for me I

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<v Speaker 2>get two New Years. I get January first of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six, and then I get February Tuesday, February seventeenth.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have a large community, so there's a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of different parades. You know. I used to love it

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid because that's when they would light off

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<v Speaker 2>what I thought were illegal fireworks, but they allow them.

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<v Speaker 2>They allow the parade audience as well as the participants

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<v Speaker 2>with the floats and everything to shoot off fireworks. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be happy New Year's. Also, I'll let everybody

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<v Speaker 2>know Happy New Year's on the seventeenth. But that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of my New Year's. And so I'm like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>dragging around January with so fast I was recovering. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to sleep late. I want I mean, the thing

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<v Speaker 2>goes down early still, you know, so I'm not getting

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<v Speaker 2>out enough. I mean, who is If it's really if

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<v Speaker 2>you live in an area that's really cold, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to go out. That's where you go to your gym.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm lucky. I have a treadmill and waits at home,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can do my thing at the house. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's important. It's important to stay active, it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>So hey, this is Cliff your host of Destiny And

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you caught John Stewart Reid's program on Earth Ancients,

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<v Speaker 2>because I have been getting just day lose by emails.

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<v Speaker 2>One need to know more about this guy and his

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<v Speaker 2>research on the acoustics inside the Great Pyramid where not

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<v Speaker 2>only with a revelatory, but if he had a chance,

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<v Speaker 2>if you didn't have a chance, go to Android or

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<v Speaker 2>go to your Apple store, download the Semoscope app, because

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<v Speaker 2>he is he's invented this thing. It's twelve bucks, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>and you put it on your you put it on

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<v Speaker 2>your phone and it creates visual compositions for sound, so

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<v Speaker 2>you see the sound, including your voice. You can actually

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<v Speaker 2>see what your voice looks like. Or perhaps there's a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of music that you really like, play the first

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<v Speaker 2>minute or two and see what happens. It's really very,

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<v Speaker 2>very cool. And what he's trying to show is is

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<v Speaker 2>that these are sonic patterns that can provide various states

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<v Speaker 2>of awareness, consciousness, which is kind of the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and in some cases healing. And we all need to

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<v Speaker 2>be have some regular healing because we're bombarded by the

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<v Speaker 2>TV or bombarded by the Wi Fi, our internet and

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<v Speaker 2>our phones, and I think the phones have gotten out

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<v Speaker 2>of hand. I think people are relying on them too much.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Berkeley this weekend and I was close

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<v Speaker 2>to UC Berkeley off of telegram or telegraph, and everybody

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<v Speaker 2>was headed down on their phones and they barely bumped

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<v Speaker 2>into the various buildings and other people. It's really, it's

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<v Speaker 2>really quite amazing to see. I mean, if I'm walking

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<v Speaker 2>on a street, I'm not gonna be pulling my hand

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<v Speaker 2>at my phone out every damn second. I'm gonna look

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<v Speaker 2>at it and then keep going. You know, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at it to figure out where I'm going, looking at

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<v Speaker 2>it to perhaps answer the phone or text somebody real quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>But god damn it, it's like it's addicting, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can see why people carry it around a lot. So

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<v Speaker 2>But anyhow, the acoustic physicist John Stewart Reid was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>The show went viral. We're about to launch it on

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<v Speaker 2>the YouTube channel. If you don't watch YouTube, start watching

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<v Speaker 2>it because we have both a Destiny channel. Go to YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>go to Destiny, and we have Earth Ancients and Earth

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<v Speaker 2>Ancients of course being around much longer. We're celebrating our

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<v Speaker 2>eleventh year those programs are very insightful, and this interview

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<v Speaker 2>with John Stewart Reid shows you not only his studio,

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<v Speaker 2>but gives you a little more insight into the equipment

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<v Speaker 2>he's developed from this one event where he went into

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<v Speaker 2>the Great Pyramid and using certain sound frequencies, discovered not

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<v Speaker 2>only the interior was designed in a specific way, but

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<v Speaker 2>when they used these frequencies, these hieroglyphics came up on

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<v Speaker 2>this PVC plastic film. And then the big news, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you got to hear this interview, if you haven't,

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<v Speaker 2>the big news is he went in there with probably

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<v Speaker 2>either a herniated disk in his lower back or a

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<v Speaker 2>fairly significant injury, where leading up to the time he

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<v Speaker 2>was in the Pyramid, he was taking aspirin, and when

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<v Speaker 2>he was doing these experiments in the King's chamber, he

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<v Speaker 2>started feeling a good deal of relief. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to the interview, the relief was perceived to be temporary,

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<v Speaker 2>but when he left, he was healed, his back didn't

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<v Speaker 2>hurt anymore, and it was so so much of a

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<v Speaker 2>profound experience that he quit his job and he developed

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<v Speaker 2>a company based on this what he calls semantics. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you go to and if you go to his website,

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<v Speaker 2>John Stuart Reed sematic scope. The sematic scope invention has

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<v Speaker 2>changed sound perception forever. You can actually see the aspects

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<v Speaker 2>of sound, and apparently, according to him, when you see

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<v Speaker 2>these sounds, it's also doing something to the brain, which

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<v Speaker 2>does something to the body, which does something to do

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<v Speaker 2>your frequency. So check it out. It was last Saturday's program,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a good one, a very special one

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<v Speaker 2>that people are raving about. Today's program is on childhood trauma,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of us have had childhood trauma. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of us have had difficult family life I had.

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<v Speaker 2>I was the oldest of five brothers, and so my

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<v Speaker 2>poor mother was not up to the task. So my

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<v Speaker 2>dad got a housekeeper kind of cleaned things up. But

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of parents don't know what the hell they're doing,

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't know how to parent. My parents didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to parent, and I used to tell my friends,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if it wasn't for my grandfather, who was

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<v Speaker 2>a huge influence on my life, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell I would have done. I would have been

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<v Speaker 2>a whild wild man. But I had a very difficult

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<v Speaker 2>childhood and I later found out that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>my friends had dysfunctional childhoods too. But I encourage trauma

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<v Speaker 2>and I went to therapists a couple of different times.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think what we'll hear about today is the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that we need to be more focused on these wounds,

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<v Speaker 2>these trauma, traumatic experience that we've had as children, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's really affecting us as an adult. And my guest

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<v Speaker 2>today has made a significant inroad to understanding childhood trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to learn today just how we can

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<v Speaker 2>resolve it, but also identify it, which is the biggest issue.

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<v Speaker 2>So today's program is greater than gravity, how childhood trauma

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<v Speaker 2>is pulling down humanity. And my guest is Mike old

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<v Speaker 2>j menard Hey. The rise of scamming by AI to

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<v Speaker 2>mimic the voices of friends and family and to trick

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<v Speaker 2>victims into sending their money is growing. These imposter scams

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<v Speaker 2>rely entirely on the voice data they can find online.

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<v Speaker 1>Lard is an accident. Ratigang rativang for no brambasts nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't leave.

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<v Speaker 1>Blame the coward as an action down Black at flin

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<v Speaker 1>Black at Phil.

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<v Speaker 2>Has always happened. We talk about adult trauma quite a

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<v Speaker 2>bit here on the podcast, but there is, according to

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<v Speaker 2>my guest today, a growing awareness of childhood trauma and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not being well attended to according to the statistics.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest today is Michael Minard. He has written a

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<v Speaker 2>book called Greater Than Gravity. How Childhood Trauma is pulling

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<v Speaker 2>down humanity. And he has some starling demographics and facts

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<v Speaker 2>that are I didn't have a clue about, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to learn a little bit a bit about

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<v Speaker 2>it today. He is an inventor, he is a former executive,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's an author of a number of books that

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<v Speaker 2>I have found quite interesting. So, hey, Michael, welcome to Destiny.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to have you on the program.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanky to be here. Thank you talk about this book?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>This is and I have to tell my listening audience

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<v Speaker 2>is over three hundred pages. He gets into every aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of childhood trauma. What brought this up? You talk about

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<v Speaker 2>your own childhood? Was it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll tell you. I'll give you the short version

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<v Speaker 3>of the journey. So I'm seventy five. I grew up

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<v Speaker 3>with thirteen siblings, so fourteen of us, ten boys, four girls,

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<v Speaker 3>and a nine hundred square foot home. We were below

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<v Speaker 3>the poverty line. And I realized only when I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>my memoir about four years ago, that what I and

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<v Speaker 3>my siblings had experienced was complex childhood trauma. And I

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<v Speaker 3>just thought I had her interesting but tough childhood. I

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<v Speaker 3>also lost two brothers to heroin. I just thought that

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<v Speaker 3>was I just marked that up to bad choices, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>bad just bad choices in life. But when I dug

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<v Speaker 3>into writing this memoir, I sought opinions of some Because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm an inventor myself, I get an audience very quickly

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<v Speaker 3>with authors, and I assembled a group of PhDs in

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<v Speaker 3>Childhood Trauma and Recovery and unpacked this my childhood and

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote this book, my memoir about my childhood, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was very open about my survival and my siblings

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<v Speaker 3>and how some of us crumbled and some of us didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>And there was an outpouring from the from social media,

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<v Speaker 3>from readers. I just thought the book would sell a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of copies to my family, but for some reason,

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<v Speaker 3>it organically started a spark and the world was breaking

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<v Speaker 3>my door down, asking for more information, primarily asking for

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<v Speaker 3>sufferers to help with advice on their own challenges in life.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought, what's going on? So I went under

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<v Speaker 3>water for about two years and did kind of investigative

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<v Speaker 3>reporting of what is this thing? How big is and

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<v Speaker 3>what I found? I connected dots. I have consumed about

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred and fifty peer research reports, about seventy books,

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<v Speaker 3>one thousand interviews, with professionals and sufferers and connected some

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<v Speaker 3>dots and greater than gravity is kind of hitting the

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<v Speaker 3>alarm button. And I'm not being dramatic when I say

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<v Speaker 3>what I learned, and it's going to be launched March nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 3>of how it's pulling down humanity so we can get

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<v Speaker 3>into the definition. We can talk about that. But what

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<v Speaker 3>I found is that there's one hundred and eighty million adults,

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<v Speaker 3>so seventy percent of adults have experienced some form of

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<v Speaker 3>what we would call classical childhood trauma, neglect, abuse, dysfunctional home.

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<v Speaker 3>There's ten of those. They're called aces. Adverse childhood experience

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<v Speaker 3>Basically unless you get resolution and healing. And trauma travels

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<v Speaker 3>through the nervous system as a child. It affects the

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<v Speaker 3>nervous system, the hormonal system, brain development. And of those

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and eighty million adults, they're at risk. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you've had six or more of these ten and

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<v Speaker 3>die twenty years too soon. Not maybe you will die

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<v Speaker 3>twenty years too soon on average. So it's playing out

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<v Speaker 3>in my family. And I found and it's published in

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<v Speaker 3>the book, that it is the number one cause of

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<v Speaker 3>death in America, more than cancer, more than more than

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<v Speaker 3>heart disease, more than stroke. It's the number one cause

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<v Speaker 3>of addiction. Nine percent of all addicts have four or

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<v Speaker 3>more of these aces a direct connection. It's the number

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<v Speaker 3>one cause of SUGA side and the number one cause

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<v Speaker 3>of incarceration. So what we see as problems opioid direct problem, no,

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<v Speaker 3>their childhood trauma problems. And we've normalized it and there's

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<v Speaker 3>a seventy percent prevalence and it's getting worse. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety eight, it was sixty three percent. Five years ago

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<v Speaker 3>it was seventy percent. And this is based on massive research.

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<v Speaker 3>seventy six percent of all high school seniors have had

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<v Speaker 3>some form. And it's actually a virus in your body,

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<v Speaker 3>and it causes all kinds of social ills. It's costing

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<v Speaker 3>America fourteen trillion dollars a year, and the cost of

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I read that. I was blown away by that

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<v Speaker 2>huge number. What's the difference between childhood trauma and adult trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're kind of the same, aren't they.

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<v Speaker 3>In other words, are not they are not they are

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<v Speaker 3>on the surface, they're the same. It's a disruption, it's

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<v Speaker 3>something that should not have happened, and it's something that hurts.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's the difference. If it happens before age eighteen,

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<v Speaker 3>everything changes in the makeup of the of that person.

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<v Speaker 3>So the first thing that happens is their their thermostat

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<v Speaker 3>for cortisol, which is I guess run away from the bear.

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<v Speaker 3>It gets stuck on open because they their mind and

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<v Speaker 3>body is wired for survival, not for growth and love.

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<v Speaker 3>So it changes the architecture of their brain. It changes

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<v Speaker 3>their decision making, their pleasure centers their cravings. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>when a kid has problems, he doesn't crave kale. He

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<v Speaker 3>craves ice cream and chips and candy bars. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>where all this it starts. It starts, and it changes

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<v Speaker 3>the immune system, the horm modal system, and the brain structure.

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<v Speaker 3>That does not happen in general with adult trauma. Adult

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<v Speaker 3>trauma can typically be connected with PDSD. It's usually an

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<v Speaker 3>event or it could be a horrible relationship of spousal trauma.

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<v Speaker 3>But it doesn't change your biology. It changes your psyche

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<v Speaker 3>and your well being, but it does not change your

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<v Speaker 3>physiology in general. So that's the difference between childhood trauma

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<v Speaker 3>which creates pathways for decades of destruction, where adults can

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<v Speaker 3>usually recover from it quicker. That's the biggest difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I get that. Now. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>you you highlight in the book is that this is

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<v Speaker 2>not just the United States, this is worldwide.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we don't have I don't have access to as

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<v Speaker 3>much data for the for the world. What I can

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<v Speaker 3>tell you is it is a global epidemic. And that

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<v Speaker 3>number one hundred and eighty million adults in America translates

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<v Speaker 3>to about three point eight billion people in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>It's huge. Let's focus on the United States in America

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<v Speaker 2>because that's where most of your research is. Is it

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<v Speaker 2>something about our Western culture that highlights this trauma? In

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<v Speaker 2>other words, is it how we raise our kids? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it our society as a whole? Talk about if you

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<v Speaker 2>can the fund the foundation for this problem.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you know we if we look at evolution

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<v Speaker 3>and we look at how we were made and how

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<v Speaker 3>we developed over you know, the last five five million years.

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<v Speaker 3>We grew up in tribes, We grew up holding our young,

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<v Speaker 3>we grew up with the support system, We grew up

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<v Speaker 3>with people with being seen. Now fast forward to today's society.

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<v Speaker 3>We neglect our children two jobs. You know, after school programs.

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<v Speaker 3>Parents are home, they're exhausted. We've fallen upon some horrible

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<v Speaker 3>myths like don't hold your child too much, it will

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<v Speaker 3>spoil them and is based on the data now we have,

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<v Speaker 3>it is so wrong. So we have evolved. Our society

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<v Speaker 3>has evolved to a place where making childhood trauma worse.

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<v Speaker 3>And in America specifically, we are like a factory for trauma.

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<v Speaker 3>We are we are setting up ourselves to perpetuate and

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<v Speaker 3>to increase trauma giving.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we're like being as good as the Joneses kind

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<v Speaker 2>of attitude and having to be one up and always

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<v Speaker 2>working hard to have the the best car, the nicest home.

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<v Speaker 2>That kind of stress.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, and it's it. It translates into neglect. And

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<v Speaker 3>we don't think of ourselves as as blackible parents. But

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<v Speaker 3>if particularly in the first couple, of years. If we

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<v Speaker 3>are not fully attentive, if that child doesn't see a warm,

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<v Speaker 3>regular carecake, caretaker's face, that is rested, that it tends

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<v Speaker 3>to food, love, skin to skin, developed sideways. We develop

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<v Speaker 3>for survival and that to our children. So that's part

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<v Speaker 3>of the other part is our you know, we have

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<v Speaker 3>an incarceration pathway where if a adult, a parent gets

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<v Speaker 3>put in jail, it totally disrupts the home from a

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<v Speaker 3>support point of view, fatherless homes, pain, shame, destruction, and

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<v Speaker 3>if you are a child in the home of someone

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<v Speaker 3>who's incarcerated, you have an eighty seven percent probability that

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<v Speaker 3>you will be in the prison system before you are

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five years old. It's pathway, it's an engine. It's

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<v Speaker 3>an engine, and so we keep it going and we

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we have generational trauma, but in the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>many of our policies just breed it. If you think

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<v Speaker 3>about the worst of the worst, that is foster children.

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<v Speaker 3>There's about five hundred thousand foster children in the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>If you if you're placed in a in a foster

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<v Speaker 3>care or an orphanage or a holding tank for date,

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<v Speaker 3>you you have on average already six of those aces.

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<v Speaker 3>So child going into the into the system is already broken.

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<v Speaker 3>They're already broken. And yet the parents who are receiving

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<v Speaker 3>the child, hopefully because of love and care, they have

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<v Speaker 3>no idea of how to raise a child with that

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<v Speaker 3>with those with those wounds, so they don't understand the neurobiology.

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<v Speaker 3>We give them a we give them a two hour course,

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<v Speaker 3>and we say a prayer, and we become foster parents,

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<v Speaker 3>and we get overwhelmed because we don't know how to

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<v Speaker 3>handle the child, so we give the child back fifty

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<v Speaker 3>percent of the time we give the child back. What

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<v Speaker 3>does that do? It re traumatizes the child. It says

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<v Speaker 3>I'm worthless. It's says nobody loves me. But yet, if

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<v Speaker 3>we trained foster parents, if we certified foster parents and

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<v Speaker 3>the understanding and the neurobiology of a suffering child, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to help heal, not re traumatize. When a person

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<v Speaker 3>when a person who's suffering from this goes to their

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<v Speaker 3>church and asks for help, what did they do well,

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<v Speaker 3>they say, well, we'll pray for you, or you have

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<v Speaker 3>to have more faith, and they're rea traumatizing that person

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<v Speaker 3>because they need healing and the church doesn't know how

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<v Speaker 3>to heal all the church doesn't shame them further, and

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<v Speaker 3>they walk away broken because they didn't receive the healing

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<v Speaker 3>or the peace they expect. So we are we've created

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<v Speaker 3>this machine in our country to not just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we talk about being trauma informed. That's just that's those

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<v Speaker 3>are such hollow words. Inform means we know it exists.

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<v Speaker 3>In my book, I make a at the end, I

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the solution, and the solution in my mind

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<v Speaker 3>is that we must become trauma responsive is very different

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<v Speaker 3>than trauma informed, and we need to educate our teachers,

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<v Speaker 3>our social workers, our therapists, our ministers, and our priests.

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<v Speaker 3>They have no idea and it's not out of malice,

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<v Speaker 3>it's out of ignorance. So we need to wake up.

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<v Speaker 3>The purpose of the book is a wake up call

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<v Speaker 3>to say, you know, if you're not feeling right, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're not thriving, it could be because of the childhoody experience.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not trying to dig up bones or blame parents.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not about that at all. It's just a reality

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<v Speaker 3>that seven out of ten people have experienced some form

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<v Speaker 3>of childhood trauma that has altered your psyche, altered your

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<v Speaker 3>physiology and will affect you in years, you know, in decades,

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<v Speaker 3>in relationships and job performance. I've in the book it

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<v Speaker 3>shows that corporations in America, the top two thousand corporations

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<v Speaker 3>in America are losing two trillion dollars a year and

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<v Speaker 3>lost productivity because of this, because of addictions, suicide, depression

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<v Speaker 3>forty four percent of all depression in the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Its root is in childhood trauma and everything I say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I want you to prove me wrong. But

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<v Speaker 3>there's one hundred and thirty references in the back of

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<v Speaker 3>the book that proves all of this. This is not

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<v Speaker 3>my data. This is the coming together of data that

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<v Speaker 3>we've been that experts have been talking to themselves about

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<v Speaker 3>it for thirty years. We need to talk to each other.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to talk to the world about it. Not

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<v Speaker 3>just one psychiatrist to another or treating patient at a time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a it's a crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you say this is a generational issue where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, my parents came out of the war Second

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<v Speaker 2>World War, and I know for a fact that my

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<v Speaker 2>father was terribly traumatized in the navy. He was blown

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<v Speaker 2>off to destroyers, and I don't know if they were

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<v Speaker 2>able to recover. I don't think he recovered. They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think about psychotherapy back then. So is this something that

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<v Speaker 2>is an evolution that you're talking about. Is it the

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<v Speaker 2>worst phase of it right now or is it our

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<v Speaker 2>parents and their parents' parents and so forth and so forth.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think there's a couple of aspects to that.

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<v Speaker 3>One is just simply generational trauma. So my father sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like our fathers were at the same place at the

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<v Speaker 3>same time. He was in the Navy, he was in

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<v Speaker 3>World War Two, and he came back. He started out

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<v Speaker 3>with a bunch of childhood trauma. His father beat him,

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<v Speaker 3>his father was an alcoholic, but he came back from

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<v Speaker 3>the war different. This is what I hear. Yeah, people

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<v Speaker 3>forgot the healing. These people never got the healing, so

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<v Speaker 3>they take it out in bad parenting. And so my generation,

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<v Speaker 3>our generation, you know, I grew up in the fifties

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<v Speaker 3>and the sixties. We had tough ass fathers, and part

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<v Speaker 3>it's not all bad because you know, we grew up

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<v Speaker 3>with grit and resilience, but because they didn't get their healing,

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<v Speaker 3>we we we are the victims. And until you stand

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<v Speaker 3>up and say it stops with me. So I said

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<v Speaker 3>that with five daughters, I said, it stops with me,

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<v Speaker 3>and I had the foresight to make that decision. And

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<v Speaker 3>so my children have no trauma. But there's two aspects.

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<v Speaker 3>One is generational, it's environmental. The other is it actually

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<v Speaker 3>lives at our DNA. It's called epigenics, right, that in

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<v Speaker 3>print on our DNA, so that if you have a

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<v Speaker 3>history of abuse, you're likely to be abuser. It's in

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<v Speaker 3>our genes and there's ways of reversing that through intervention.

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<v Speaker 3>We are adaptable, we can heal. That's the good news.

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<v Speaker 3>The good news is there's a promise of healing. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not a life sentence that if you have this and

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<v Speaker 3>you're experiencing all of these disabilities and disorders that you

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<v Speaker 3>read in my book, there's a pathway forward. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>what we pick up the world too. And a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of it has to do with self care. As an example,

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<v Speaker 3>the diet of our children. I mean, if you're a

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<v Speaker 3>traumatized child, the cortisol is going to destroy mitochondria in

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<v Speaker 3>your cells in your brain. Poor diet continues that destruction.

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<v Speaker 3>Lack of sleep creates more quartersol, which kills more so

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<v Speaker 3>it's a downward spiral, and then we say, oh, we

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<v Speaker 3>need something to take the edge off before we go

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<v Speaker 3>to sleep, and then we be addicted to the comfort.

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<v Speaker 3>Not for getting high, but it's medication. It's medication trying

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<v Speaker 3>to we're trying to heal ourselves in the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you see the results of this trauma in today's adults.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you see a society that is on a downward

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<v Speaker 2>spiral because they are not functioning to the level that they.

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<v Speaker 3>Could absolutely talk about absolutely so for I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I get these ideas what I'm meant when I'm doing

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<v Speaker 3>the research, and I started to have this visualization of

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<v Speaker 3>if you had a magic spectrum or a spectrum that

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<v Speaker 3>we could agree upon. Think of the number line. On

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<v Speaker 3>the left hand side, it's a negative ten, and on

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<v Speaker 3>the positive side it's a plus ten in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of zero neutral. I've actually created that wellness scale, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've given a number. I've given a definition to every number.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not perfect, but I'm a by trade, I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>decision scientist, and I've written books on the subject of

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<v Speaker 3>decision making and using multiple variables to come to a conclusion.

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<v Speaker 3>When you don't have accurate data. So I created this

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<v Speaker 3>thing and then I started asking everyone I've talked to,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm gonna ask you. I'm gonna put you on

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<v Speaker 3>the spot. You can't see it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we'll return shortly with

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<v Speaker 2>my guest today, Michael Minard, discussing his new book Greater

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<v Speaker 2>Than Gravity, will be right back. I guess today's author,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Minard. He has done a great deal of research

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<v Speaker 2>on childhood trauma, not only in the United States but globally,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is something that is affecting our culture in

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<v Speaker 2>a significant manner.

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<v Speaker 3>But where do you think society is on the spectrum?

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<v Speaker 3>And zero is numb, no pain, no happiness. Negative ten

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<v Speaker 3>is suicidal, you don't want to live? Thriving is I'm

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<v Speaker 3>the very best I could ever be? Yeah, very best

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<v Speaker 3>I could ever be. So let me put you on

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<v Speaker 3>the spot and ask where you want are on that spectrum,

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<v Speaker 3>just roughly so we can start the conversation, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I'll talk about what the averages of six hundred people

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<v Speaker 3>I've pulled.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean me personally or my perception of our society.

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<v Speaker 3>You personally, you personally. I mean, you're on You're you're

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<v Speaker 3>an expert on thriving, right, Well, I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I've reinvented myself about five different times. And I've done

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<v Speaker 2>that because I am kind of a I'm a trained artist,

476
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<v Speaker 2>but I'm also a business marketing person, so I know

477
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<v Speaker 2>it needs to be done to stay thriving in a business.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm fairly happy. I'm not happy with our country though,

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<v Speaker 2>And this is what's upsetting to me, is that I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're at a crossroads, especially with our current government.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that to allow what's happening to persist means

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a lot of unhappy people that surround me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to resist. It's difficult for me. I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to resist engaging in that discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hear you. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna because I have very strong points of view

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<v Speaker 3>on and I'm sure you do too, and i'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>the listeners. I don't want to alienate anyone, but your

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<v Speaker 3>point is valid. There are lots of miserable people, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're on both They're on both extremes of that spectrum. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>they're on both spectrums. But let me, you're trying to

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<v Speaker 3>wease a lot of giving me a number.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your number of satisfaction?

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<v Speaker 3>Ten positive? Ten is thriving the best you could be

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<v Speaker 3>as a human. Zero is you're just numb. You're not

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<v Speaker 3>no pain. Okay, so I say seven, that's awesome, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>The average of six hundred and thirty people that I've

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<v Speaker 3>asked now, the average score is two.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>If you think, if you think about seventy percent, if

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<v Speaker 3>you think about seventy percent of the world of the

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<v Speaker 3>United States have experienced some form of childhood and trauma,

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to think there's a whole bunch of us

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<v Speaker 3>that are down at that, you know, down at that,

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<v Speaker 3>down on the negative numbers. And what we got to

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<v Speaker 3>do first is heal and come to zero, and then

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00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.239
<v Speaker 3>we have to thrive. Right, So we got to get

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<v Speaker 3>rid of the pain. And we are a society filled

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<v Speaker 3>with unhappiness and pain. So from this research, I see

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<v Speaker 3>every person differently. I have because of my because of

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<v Speaker 3>this simple education, I have empathy for everyone. I was

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<v Speaker 3>in I was at a at a subway waiting to

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<v Speaker 3>get a sandwich, and there was a gentleman who had

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<v Speaker 3>just lost his mind, I mean just he was so

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<v Speaker 3>mad and and normally I would say, hey, dude, get

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<v Speaker 3>the hell out of here. You know, I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to hear this crap dead. I went up and said, hey, friend, man,

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<v Speaker 3>you really seem agitated. How can I help? How can

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<v Speaker 3>I help? And he says, I'm just trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>a sandwich for five dollars. I have five dollars and

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<v Speaker 3>there's no sandwich that I can get, even a half

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<v Speaker 3>a sandwich for five dollars. I said, I tell you what,

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<v Speaker 3>let me let me buy lunch for you. You have

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<v Speaker 3>any sandwich you want, and then let's sit and talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So he said, really, how about a cookie too? I said,

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<v Speaker 3>a cookie too?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So he sat down heard his story. He'd been almost

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<v Speaker 3>for twenty years living in his car. He just got

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<v Speaker 3>diagnosed with stage four colon cancer, and a week ago

532
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<v Speaker 3>he tried to hang himself and he had big, big

533
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<v Speaker 3>stitches on his neck and he was going to die

534
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<v Speaker 3>in about six weeks. And we dismissed people like that

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<v Speaker 3>as just being mean angry. No, no, we're not born

536
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:08.519
<v Speaker 3>mean or angry. We all are suffering and we need.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's this thing about attachment at at childhood,

538
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.519
<v Speaker 3>at birth, that's very important. But we need attachment life long.

539
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:19.960
<v Speaker 3>We need it as adults. I needed it at seventy five.

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<v Speaker 3>I need human connection, and we are losing it. And

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<v Speaker 3>now we're dividing each other, and we're making half of

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<v Speaker 3>the country our enemy because of our because of our

543
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:37.159
<v Speaker 3>friggin political views, and we see each other as enemies.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a relative who I love, and she just

545
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<v Speaker 3>posted if any of you voted for Trump, I am

546
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<v Speaker 3>no longer your friend.

547
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I have friends like that too.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of that, Think of that insanity, Think of that hate.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of what that does to their day, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>they've just lost. She's telling me, you know, if I voted,

551
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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying I did or not, But if I was

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<v Speaker 3>the one who voted for Trump, she doesn't want anything

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<v Speaker 3>to do with me to ka because I'm her enemy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, horrible. It's very difficult.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm babbling a bit, but I think it's all

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<v Speaker 3>it's all accelerating in the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how does community step up in this situation? Because

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<v Speaker 2>as we progress as a society, the resources appear to

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<v Speaker 2>be dwindling. Of course, you know, if you're in a

560
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.880
<v Speaker 2>really bad state, you can check yourself into a psych ward,

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<v Speaker 2>but nobody does that anymore. And the other thing related

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<v Speaker 2>to the community's ability to support their citizens is that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, not only in my generation, but

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<v Speaker 2>in earlier and later generations, find that going to a

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<v Speaker 2>psychologist is a of weakness.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff there. First of all, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we have to take that stigma away. We have to

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<v Speaker 3>we have to take the mental health you know, seeking

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<v Speaker 3>mental health healing. We have to take that stigma away

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<v Speaker 3>because if we don't, we're never going to heal. That's

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<v Speaker 3>number one. Number two, I'm extremely critical of the mental

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<v Speaker 3>health field. I have found that after twenty years and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty billion dollars invested by the National Institute of Mental Health,

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<v Speaker 3>we have made and they admit it, zero progress on

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<v Speaker 3>mental health healing. So we don't We're focused on the smoke,

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<v Speaker 3>not the fire. We're focused on symptoms, not the cause.

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<v Speaker 3>And my research shows that ninety five percent of all

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<v Speaker 3>licensed therapists have no education on the neurobiology of a

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<v Speaker 3>suffering child. They don't know, they didn't learn about it.

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<v Speaker 3>They might have. I know more now as an engineer

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<v Speaker 3>than ninety five percent of all psychiatrists and psychologists. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't get it in school. Social workers don't get it

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<v Speaker 3>in school. Teachers don't get it in school. Counselors don't

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<v Speaker 3>get it in school. They learn cognitive behavior therapy that

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00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:26.480
<v Speaker 3>will not heal childhood trauma wounds. So yeah, we need

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<v Speaker 3>to open it up, but we also need to educate

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<v Speaker 3>our healers to what we're actually suffering from because they

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<v Speaker 3>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you say neurobiology, are you suggesting that there

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<v Speaker 2>are signs that someone is suffering with trauma and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a questions or physical manifestations that they should be looking at.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the first thing is that you have to if

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<v Speaker 3>you're thinking of it yourself as an individual or a

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00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:01.880
<v Speaker 3>loved one, you have to think about their their well being,

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00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:13.000
<v Speaker 3>their happiness, and usually what comes up our disorders, disorders, anger, anger, eating, alcoholism,

596
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.480
<v Speaker 3>those are you know, you can some are diseases, some

597
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<v Speaker 3>are disorders. But it's a malfunction of the human right,

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<v Speaker 3>a malfunction of the human So what I'm saying, what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the message I'm putting out there is that if

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<v Speaker 3>something doesn't feel right now, this probably would not resonate

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<v Speaker 3>with you, you being you know, a positive a positive seven.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you're having stress in aspects of your life,

603
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<v Speaker 3>you need to ask yourself why. You need to ask

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<v Speaker 3>yourself what could be the root of that, and what

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<v Speaker 3>is the solution? And I'm saying there's seventy seven out

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<v Speaker 3>of ten that the answer is I had adverse childhood

607
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<v Speaker 3>experiences that have affected me affected me. And before this research,

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<v Speaker 3>I just I thought all of that was just fluff.

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<v Speaker 3>I just thought it was just fufu. But now I

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<v Speaker 3>believe it's everything. Not because I'm brainwashed, It's because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>educated and I've been on a journey that I continue

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<v Speaker 3>on and I'm launching this book Greater than Gravity, but

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<v Speaker 3>on the solution side. In June, I'm launching a second

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<v Speaker 3>book that is titled Bleeding in the Pews, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>talking about how seventy percent of people in every church

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<v Speaker 3>is suffering and the church isn't doing what it needs

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<v Speaker 3>to do to heal. I've got another book coming out

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<v Speaker 3>in September that is Bleeding in the Boardroom. It shows

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<v Speaker 3>how corporations are paying for absenteeism, presenteeism, turnover that they've

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<v Speaker 3>just normalized. And if you've had four or more of

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<v Speaker 3>these aces, that means thirty percent of the population, you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be at best, you'll be at sixty percent capacity.

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<v Speaker 3>As far as work productivity, You're going to take more

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<v Speaker 3>days off, you're gonna have more depression, you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 3>more conflict with your with your with your with your

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<v Speaker 3>mates in the workplace. And we we keep putting these

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<v Speaker 3>wellness programs in that don't do anything. They don't they're

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<v Speaker 3>not moving the needle at all, and they're spending spending

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<v Speaker 3>billions on it. And you talk about community, How can

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<v Speaker 3>we support this where we're we're we're already paying for it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're already paying fourteen trillion dollars a year and mental

632
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<v Speaker 3>health bills, physical bills, addiction centers, welfare. Let's repurpose that.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's let's let's move a little bit to healing. The

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<v Speaker 3>data in my book shows that every one dollar, one

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<v Speaker 3>dollar invested in healing and recovery and prevention delivers one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and thirty one dollar return. This is data, This

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<v Speaker 3>is this is science, this is math. The return on

638
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<v Speaker 3>investment is huge. But yet we don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 3>We just keep looking the other way. I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's this phenot there's this human weakness of

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<v Speaker 3>the gap between knowing and doing. We know, but we

642
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<v Speaker 3>don't do. We kind of know about it, but we

643
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<v Speaker 3>turn the other way and we just continue our behavior

644
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<v Speaker 3>because we don't going to close that gap between knowing

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<v Speaker 3>and doing. And I'm trying to create a movement, trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get people to join this movement. I want to

647
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<v Speaker 3>have a day where we all wear a T shirt

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<v Speaker 3>with with our childhood score on the back from one

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<v Speaker 3>to ten, and we open conversations and we understand each

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<v Speaker 3>other more and we just look at that number we add,

651
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<v Speaker 3>we nod and we smile and we give a fist bust.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm with you, I'm with you. We need to bring

653
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<v Speaker 3>back you know, the greatest healer of all is I

654
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<v Speaker 3>don't want to be mushy, but it's love. It's love,

655
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<v Speaker 3>and we're all If you take all the tears that

656
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<v Speaker 3>fall in the in the world today and put them

657
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<v Speaker 3>in big vats, the vat that's going to have the

658
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<v Speaker 3>biggest label on it. It's going to say unloved. That's

659
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<v Speaker 3>why we're crying. We're we're not seen, we're not loved,

660
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<v Speaker 3>and we're lonely. Even in the midst of this. You

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<v Speaker 3>know this dense population. Yeah, but maybe we're just babbling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, it's good stuff. Uh. It seems to me

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<v Speaker 2>that our society isn't helping very much because it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like it's all about me and I don't really

665
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<v Speaker 2>care about anybody else. It's it's I need to make

666
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<v Speaker 2>as much money as I can. I need to be

667
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<v Speaker 2>as successful as I can, And you kind of leave

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<v Speaker 2>the others to the side as your clients, especially as

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<v Speaker 2>a young person, you know, getting out of school, and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't really pay attention to these subtle traumas that

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<v Speaker 2>you've experienced as a as a you know, as a

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<v Speaker 2>young person, and I think it just grows and grows

673
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<v Speaker 2>and grows. Would you say that our mental health care

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<v Speaker 2>system is broken or is it just not addressing the

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<v Speaker 2>problem correctly?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I can, I can speak freely about it because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not I'm not a mental health professional, right, so

678
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<v Speaker 3>there is no there is no question that it's broken.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing we've done, of meaning is come up

680
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<v Speaker 3>with some really cool drugs to numb the problem. Drugs, drugs, pharmaceuticals, prescriptions.

681
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<v Speaker 3>I mean that, do you think why do you think

682
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<v Speaker 3>we have an opioid crisis? Why do you think we

683
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<v Speaker 3>have an addiction crisis? Twenty million people in the United

684
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<v Speaker 3>States are addicted to illegal drugs. That's not that's not

685
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 3>even alcohol included. This is these are people that are addicted,

686
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<v Speaker 3>that cannot function without it. And it's all medication, it's

687
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:16.639
<v Speaker 3>all healing. They think it's healing. You know, we want

688
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<v Speaker 3>to stop the screams in our head, the dysfunction, so

689
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<v Speaker 3>we will take a few drinks. Now we know that,

690
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<v Speaker 3>you know, the third drink kind of calms everything down,

691
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<v Speaker 3>and then we have to get something a little bit stronger.

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<v Speaker 3>And then what we're doing is making everything worse. So

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<v Speaker 3>that mitochondria that was killed in our childhood, that disabled

694
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<v Speaker 3>our brain, we're making it ten times worse through the

695
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 3>things we're putting in our bodies. It's killing moochondria, causing

696
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<v Speaker 3>more sleeplessness. So I say it's totally broken. If you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I met with I spoke at a conference of one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and sixty social workers. You know what social workers do, right?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what they do? Almost everything they touch has

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<v Speaker 3>to do with misery and trouble and just everything they do.

701
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<v Speaker 3>And they're bookkeepers, they're policykeepers. They're not healers. They're not

702
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<v Speaker 3>trained to be healers. They're gatekeepers. One hundred and sixty.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked them to stand up, and I said, if

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<v Speaker 3>you've never had a course on the neurobiology of childhood trauma,

705
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<v Speaker 3>please sit down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone sat down, And after that conference they lined up

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<v Speaker 3>to talk to me. I'm an engineer, I'm an author,

709
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<v Speaker 3>and they wanted to know more, where can I get

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<v Speaker 3>the training?

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<v Speaker 2>Where? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know of any universities that I was talking

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<v Speaker 3>to the head of psychology the professors that's head of

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<v Speaker 3>psychology at a large Christian college, and I said to her,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, you know, don't you feel a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>guilty for not having any courses on the impact of

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<v Speaker 3>childhood trauma? And she said, well, we do. I said, no,

718
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<v Speaker 3>you don't. Says we do. Excuse me, we do? And

719
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<v Speaker 3>I said, no, you don't. I talked to your dean

720
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<v Speaker 3>an hour ago to verify. She said, let me call.

721
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<v Speaker 3>She calls the dean, puts them on speakerphone, says, this

722
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<v Speaker 3>guy tells me about She says, well, he's right, we

723
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<v Speaker 3>don't have a course on it. Should we should? We?

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a Christian college, you think they are

725
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<v Speaker 3>a little bit more. But I find that the University

726
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<v Speaker 3>of Texas is everywhere I talk. I try to find out.

727
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<v Speaker 3>And so one university said they're going to take Greater

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<v Speaker 3>than Gravity and turn it into a textbook and make

729
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<v Speaker 3>a course out of it, so that you know, a

730
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<v Speaker 3>light bulb went off. So I'm creating an online university

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<v Speaker 3>called you Act Academy, where we're going to offer certification

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<v Speaker 3>to all of these people. We're talking about certification for teachers,

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<v Speaker 3>certification for therapists so that they become certified in trauma

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<v Speaker 3>responsive care. And I'm want to make it a goal,

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<v Speaker 3>and i want to make it so a teacher just

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<v Speaker 3>can't even get a job unless they are trauma responsive certified.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to get it all done in my lifetime,

738
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<v Speaker 3>but I'm going to start the movement, and that university

739
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<v Speaker 3>is going to be up and running June of this year,

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<v Speaker 3>so we can start educating the healers, right because they

741
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<v Speaker 3>don't know. Yeah, they don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to take a short commercial break to

743
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<v Speaker 2>allow our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return

744
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:52.599
<v Speaker 2>shortly with my guest today, Michael J. Minard discussing his

745
00:51:52.800 --> 00:52:01.400
<v Speaker 2>book on childhood trauma. Greater than Gravity will rejoin you shortly.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest today is Michael J. Lenard. He has done

747
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<v Speaker 2>a significant amount of research on childhood trauma in his

748
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<v Speaker 2>book Greater Than Gravity, and this is a look at

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<v Speaker 2>how it's affecting adults around the world. What are some

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<v Speaker 2>of your wounds, Michael, talk about your own personal journey

751
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit if you can, sure, uh, because because

752
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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting for our listeners to understand specifics of not

753
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:22.559
<v Speaker 2>necessarily your failings, but of the of the physical, mental

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<v Speaker 2>and outcomes. Right, the outcomes, Yeah, the manifestations.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so yeah, it's the if you think of the

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<v Speaker 3>the child types of childood trauma that I had, they

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<v Speaker 3>were number one neglect. So I had no medical care.

758
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:49.679
<v Speaker 3>I I went hungry many times.

759
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<v Speaker 2>No medical care you were injured, or just no medical

760
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<v Speaker 2>checkouts as a young person.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I had. I had. I had strep

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<v Speaker 3>throat so often that it turned into at age ten,

763
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<v Speaker 3>it turned into rheumatic fever, which attacked my heart and

764
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<v Speaker 3>I was in the hospital for six months. And then

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<v Speaker 3>at age sixty nine, my eertic valve closed because of

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<v Speaker 3>reg fever. I had to have open art surgery Wow,

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00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:27.960
<v Speaker 3>there's a manifestation hunger. Hunger. If you go without food,

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<v Speaker 3>you develop for survival and it forces. Well, the fancy

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<v Speaker 3>word is food insecurity. Food insecurity, but it means I

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<v Speaker 3>want to eat more than I need because I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know when the next meal is going to come, and

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<v Speaker 3>it gets so ingrained in your mind that even at

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<v Speaker 3>this age, even with my awareness, even with all my healing,

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<v Speaker 3>I still suffer from food in security. I will still

775
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<v Speaker 3>order a pizza that's way too large for me and

776
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<v Speaker 3>my family, and my wife has given up trying to

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<v Speaker 3>talk me out of it. Another is neglect. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I interviewed my siblings and I just said, what do

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<v Speaker 3>you think was the number one problem? What do you feel?

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<v Speaker 3>And my brother Mark hit the nail on head and

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<v Speaker 3>he says, I was invisible. I just wasn't seen. That

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<v Speaker 3>sets off a whole bunch of dynamics. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's this thing called the paradox of childhood trauma, and

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<v Speaker 3>the paradox is, if you've experienced what I am my

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<v Speaker 3>siblings experience, we're going to take one of two paths.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to go left, which is destruction, and you

787
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<v Speaker 3>fall and collapse under the weight, or you take a

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<v Speaker 3>right turn and you use it as rocket fuel for success,

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<v Speaker 3>which is its own disorder. So mine was one of overachievement.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you look at my resume, you look at

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<v Speaker 3>my accomplishments. They are arm long patents, awards, credentials. I

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<v Speaker 3>I've advised the United Nations, I've advised NASA, I've got

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<v Speaker 3>some you know, I've transformed industries. I wanted to be seen.

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<v Speaker 3>I suffered, and I'm realizing it now. So all those things,

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't care about it anymore because I realize

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<v Speaker 3>the other is I became tough as nails, so I

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, when you have to fend for yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>I fear no man. I can. I still size up

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<v Speaker 3>every man that I'm that I'm in contention with, and

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<v Speaker 3>the first thing I think of, where do I hit

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<v Speaker 3>him first to take him out?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a back alley mentality.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a disorder. I was. I was in a

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<v Speaker 3>line at the TSA for going through or security in

805
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<v Speaker 3>this big guy intentionally shouldered me, like get out of

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<v Speaker 3>the way. I get and I turned around and I

807
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<v Speaker 3>sized him up, and I knew what three punches I

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<v Speaker 3>would throw to bring him right down to the ground

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<v Speaker 3>right to knock him out. And I instead of that,

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<v Speaker 3>I just pushed him in the chest and I said,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not big enough. Don't try. Don't try. It's because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a badass. And is that productive? No, that's not productive.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a you know, that's a you know, I joke

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<v Speaker 3>about my disorders. I have all these world class therapists

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<v Speaker 3>now that are working with me, and they all want

816
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<v Speaker 3>to treat me. They all want to treat me. I

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<v Speaker 3>have not been treated, they said. They they laugh and

818
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<v Speaker 3>joke about it, and they want to know who's who's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be the one that finally gets me on the sofa.

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<v Speaker 2>Who gets you on the mat?

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<v Speaker 3>He's right when I say, I say, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>I'm happy. I'm a plus nine by the way, Oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, plus yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wow, congratulations. Well that's before we get into some solutions, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about the detection. So if we're

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<v Speaker 2>thinking we're happy and everything's good in our life, what

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<v Speaker 2>are the signs that we got problems that we need

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<v Speaker 2>to address. Because I think that we and I'm guilty

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<v Speaker 2>of this as well. We we we pushed through our problems.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, I mean, yeah, yeah, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the biggest tell has to be, you know,

832
00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:45.280
<v Speaker 3>a serious conversation with yourself about your well being. To

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00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:49.039
<v Speaker 3>stop for a moment and think about your life, think

834
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:53.480
<v Speaker 3>about your happiness, think about the people around you, think

835
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:56.159
<v Speaker 3>about the prices you might have paid or are paying

836
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:01.639
<v Speaker 3>for things not going your way, and ask yourself the question,

837
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:06.760
<v Speaker 3>could that you know, what can I do to move

838
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:10.519
<v Speaker 3>up that scale of thriving because I don't I don't

839
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:12.679
<v Speaker 3>want to be where I'm at anymore. And there's so

840
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:14.920
<v Speaker 3>many people that are saying that to themselves. They just

841
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:15.639
<v Speaker 3>don't know what to do.

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00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.000
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of a subtle depression, is that what

843
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:19.880
<v Speaker 2>you're suggesting?

844
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:23.559
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, yeah, it's a it's a something is not right,

845
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:26.599
<v Speaker 3>something is not right, and that something not right is

846
00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:31.159
<v Speaker 3>it starts with mild depression and mild anxiety. Little things

847
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:33.000
<v Speaker 3>that trigger you that just make you a little bit

848
00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:37.360
<v Speaker 3>pissed off. You know, traffic jam, it's not normal. It's

849
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:41.679
<v Speaker 3>not normal. If you have anything that you would consider

850
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:51.639
<v Speaker 3>to be an addiction, and I can list them sex, love, addiction, food, alcohol, gambling, shopping,

851
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.440
<v Speaker 3>anything that you do repeatedly that you know is not

852
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:58.960
<v Speaker 3>good for you. Why are you doing it? Why are

853
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:02.159
<v Speaker 3>you doing it? Particularly overeating. You know, we don't have

854
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:04.719
<v Speaker 3>an obcit problem in this country. We have a childhood

855
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:05.880
<v Speaker 3>trauma problem.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good point. So if you're kind of an overeater,

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01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:11.039
<v Speaker 2>that could be a warning sign that you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's food is this thing that we turn

859
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:21.480
<v Speaker 3>to most often for for soothing our discomfort. And you know,

860
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.480
<v Speaker 3>you talk and joke about comfort. Food has nothing to

861
01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:28.119
<v Speaker 3>do with hunger. It has to do with sugar is

862
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:32.280
<v Speaker 3>a drug, and we go for you know, we go

863
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:36.199
<v Speaker 3>for the carbohydrate, to go for the bad stuff. So,

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01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:40.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, self examination also think about, you know, your

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01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:45.400
<v Speaker 3>partner the as closest to you, have you ever had

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01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:50.199
<v Speaker 3>a conversation, honest conversation between you about your childhood. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>hearing over and over and over again stories that people

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01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:55.920
<v Speaker 3>are telling me, and I'll talk to anybody who I

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01:00:56.000 --> 01:01:00.599
<v Speaker 3>can talk to that they haven't told their spouse. They

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01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:05.239
<v Speaker 3>haven't told their spouse and why, Shane, It comes down

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01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:07.480
<v Speaker 3>to shad. So we keep it, We keep it to

872
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:12.920
<v Speaker 3>ourselves because we think it's because of us, we're not enough. So,

873
01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:18.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, have the first step in healing of any

874
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:22.159
<v Speaker 3>of that discomfort is making a space to talk about

875
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.320
<v Speaker 3>it with somebody you trust. I'm not talking about a therapist.

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01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:28.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about somebody you love, a brother, a spouse,

877
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:33.960
<v Speaker 3>a girlfriend, you know, a boyfriend. Just and if I

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01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:36.559
<v Speaker 3>tell you, what if you can't have that kind of

879
01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:39.880
<v Speaker 3>talk with the person that you're most intimate with, you

880
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:42.960
<v Speaker 3>need a new partner. Yeah, that's true, right, you need

881
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:45.480
<v Speaker 3>a new partner. And the reality is, if you take

882
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:49.119
<v Speaker 3>two people, any random two people together, you have a

883
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:54.400
<v Speaker 3>ninety one percent chance that one of them has a dysfunction.

884
01:01:55.760 --> 01:02:00.320
<v Speaker 3>You put three people together, it's ninety seven percent. So

885
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:05.559
<v Speaker 3>it's affecting everyone, and it has to do with your happiness.

886
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.000
<v Speaker 3>So all of you, all of you listening and watching,

887
01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:13.320
<v Speaker 3>just stop for a moment and think, give yourself a score,

888
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:18.119
<v Speaker 3>and then say, I'm want to move it up. I'll

889
01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:21.000
<v Speaker 3>move it up. And here's all I'm going to start.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have portions of your book where you outline

891
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:35.360
<v Speaker 2>how to identify these failings, these protections that you are

892
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:38.320
<v Speaker 2>talking about. Yes, hide the trauma.

893
01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's in the book. It's in the back half.

894
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:43.079
<v Speaker 3>It's in the back of the book. You have not

895
01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:45.119
<v Speaker 3>gotten to that yet. But it really is. It's not

896
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:47.840
<v Speaker 3>a diagon, it's not for a diagnosis. It just says,

897
01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:50.719
<v Speaker 3>and this is from the experts in the world. It's

898
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:54.239
<v Speaker 3>not for me. It says, here's the thirty things, the

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01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:58.679
<v Speaker 3>most common thirty things that are a warning sign that

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01:02:58.800 --> 01:02:59.719
<v Speaker 3>you might be suffering.

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01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:04.039
<v Speaker 2>The top thirty things that are physical, mental, spiritual. Are

902
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:06.000
<v Speaker 2>they only physical?

903
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:12.519
<v Speaker 3>Therefore physical? Mental, societal and spiritual? Oh?

904
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Societal?

905
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:17.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh, society. Get how are you getting along in society? Oh?

906
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:18.599
<v Speaker 2>I see how you integrate?

907
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:22.159
<v Speaker 3>Are you integrate? Are you a loner? Are you? Does

908
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.519
<v Speaker 3>everybody love you? Do you have a circle of friends?

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<v Speaker 3>Because the sufferer, the first thing they do is is disconnect,

910
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:34.840
<v Speaker 3>and it makes everything worse. They disconnect from society because

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01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:38.559
<v Speaker 3>of the shame they think they're broken. And it's so

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01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:43.280
<v Speaker 3>many of us, Cliff, it's so many of us. Wow, millions,

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<v Speaker 3>millions in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. As we come to the conclusion of our time together, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk a little bit about the solutions

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<v Speaker 2>and what that means to you, because you're not a therapist.

917
01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:02.760
<v Speaker 2>You're more of a recent search investigator, uh, and a

918
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:06.079
<v Speaker 2>professional person, which you can see in the book because

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01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:10.559
<v Speaker 2>it's it's very well written. What what are some of

920
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:14.880
<v Speaker 2>the suggestions that you present as solutions.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye, So there's there's two there's two categories. The first

922
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:25.840
<v Speaker 3>category fall under the all under the the banner of

923
01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:29.920
<v Speaker 3>self care things you can do with yourself, things you

924
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:33.800
<v Speaker 3>can do for yourself that do not require professional intervention.

925
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:41.039
<v Speaker 3>So they're they're they're pretty simple and for men they

926
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:47.719
<v Speaker 3>sound a little bit foofoo, but they're very efficacious. And

927
01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:50.920
<v Speaker 3>in the book, there's a list of eight things that

928
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:52.960
<v Speaker 3>you can do for yourself, and I'll just hit on

929
01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:57.159
<v Speaker 3>a few of them. Is first number one, be aware

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01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:59.360
<v Speaker 3>of what's going on in your in your body, in

931
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:04.320
<v Speaker 3>your mind. Don't sweep it under the carpet anymore. Be

932
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:09.079
<v Speaker 3>real with it. That's the first step. Second, find one person,

933
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:12.480
<v Speaker 3>one person that you trust that you can tell your

934
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:14.599
<v Speaker 3>story to once you've figured out what your story is,

935
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:19.320
<v Speaker 3>and get a conversation going and make room and ask

936
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:22.639
<v Speaker 3>for them to walk alongside you. Not to make excuses

937
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:26.639
<v Speaker 3>for your behavior, but you know, just have a conversation.

938
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<v Speaker 3>And then there's the thing that there's three things that

939
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.599
<v Speaker 3>sound overly simplistic but have a profound ability to heal.

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<v Speaker 3>The first is sleep. If you're sleep deprived. It's making

941
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:44.280
<v Speaker 3>everything worse. So find way to get eight hours of

942
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:50.000
<v Speaker 3>sleep eight hours on average. You know, some people need seven,

943
01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:53.000
<v Speaker 3>some people need ten, but I think eight hours as

944
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:56.840
<v Speaker 3>a night's sleep, and find a way to get consistent sleep.

945
01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Second is think about what you're putting in your mouth nutrition.

946
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Don't eat junk food because it's making everything worse in

947
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:14.119
<v Speaker 3>your biology. Focus on protein, Focus on fruits and vegetables,

948
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:19.199
<v Speaker 3>Stay away from all processed foods. Research that subject of nutrition.

949
01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:21.920
<v Speaker 3>It's critical and it has to do with so many

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01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:25.119
<v Speaker 3>parts of your mind and your body. And the third

951
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:28.519
<v Speaker 3>thing of the three is find a way to get

952
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:32.239
<v Speaker 3>some movement on a daily basis. I'm not talking about

953
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:34.440
<v Speaker 3>going to the gym or running a marathon, talking about

954
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:37.480
<v Speaker 3>taking a walk in your backyard or your park, taking

955
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:42.119
<v Speaker 3>a stroll, riding a bicycle, doing something. Yeah, gym is

956
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:45.280
<v Speaker 3>fine too, but just like fifteen twenty minutes a day,

957
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:48.360
<v Speaker 3>find a way to do that because that builds mitochondria.

958
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:51.079
<v Speaker 3>So those three things you can do yourself, and they're

959
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:54.039
<v Speaker 3>in the book tips of how to do that. And

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01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:56.480
<v Speaker 3>then the last one of self care has to do

961
01:06:56.719 --> 01:07:05.480
<v Speaker 3>with mindfulness. There's such power in mindfulness. Mindfulness is things

962
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:14.119
<v Speaker 3>like meditation, yoga, being still deep breathing for two minutes

963
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:17.000
<v Speaker 3>in the morning before you start your day. These things

964
01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:20.320
<v Speaker 3>are transformative and these are all things you can do

965
01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:24.119
<v Speaker 3>that begins the journey. Now, those are self help, and

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01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:27.280
<v Speaker 3>my experts say about seventy five percent of us can

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01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.559
<v Speaker 3>get our healing by doing the things I just told you.

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<v Speaker 3>But now if it's more severe and you're suffering from

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01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:42.760
<v Speaker 3>things like addiction, self harm, psychosis, depression, deep depression, you

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01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:46.400
<v Speaker 3>need to find professional help. And in the book it

971
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<v Speaker 3>talks about how to find a therapist, the kind of

972
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<v Speaker 3>questions you ask a therapist, and you know it's there's

973
01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:57.480
<v Speaker 3>stigma around it, there's a cost associated with it. This

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<v Speaker 3>organization I founded you Act ACT. We're we're on a

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01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:07.559
<v Speaker 3>mission to make professional healing for for those who are

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<v Speaker 3>suffering from childhood trauma free. So we're gonna make a

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01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:14.519
<v Speaker 3>super fund that takes care of that for those people.

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<v Speaker 3>UH and you. In a year from now, you'll be

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01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:22.880
<v Speaker 3>able to type your zip code into our app and

980
01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:26.039
<v Speaker 3>get a list of the people in your town that

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<v Speaker 3>are you at qualified to treat childhood trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>U ACT stands for United Against Childhood.

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<v Speaker 3>Trumpa yep, yep. And the website is you ACT Now,

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<v Speaker 3>n OW U A C T n OW Go to

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<v Speaker 3>that website. Everything I'm telling you is on that website.

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<v Speaker 3>We're just getting started. Click and add your name to

987
01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:51.520
<v Speaker 3>the mailing list and you will get information every week.

988
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:56.560
<v Speaker 3>You will get a newsletter every week from you ACT

989
01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:01.760
<v Speaker 3>that shares everything we're learning, everything you can do, asking

990
01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:04.600
<v Speaker 3>you to join, telling a therapist where they can go

991
01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:07.640
<v Speaker 3>to get certified, telling teachers where they can go to

992
01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:10.600
<v Speaker 3>get certified. And we're gonna you know, with the launch

993
01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:12.880
<v Speaker 3>of the book, which is really hitting the alarm button,

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01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:17.479
<v Speaker 3>and with people like you helping is to say, if

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01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:21.760
<v Speaker 3>you're not suffering, help us, help others, if you're not suffering,

996
01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:25.239
<v Speaker 3>help us, help your spouse, your child.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Follow a group called Mothers for All Passive Recovery, and

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01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:38.880
<v Speaker 3>these are mothers of children who are recovering or or

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01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:42.960
<v Speaker 3>of children they've lost to addiction. And most of the

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01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:47.279
<v Speaker 3>time the addiction sprouted from childhood trauma that had nothing

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01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:52.560
<v Speaker 3>to do with the parents, and you know that is

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01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:55.560
<v Speaker 3>the So it's a whole movement of people helping other

1004
01:09:55.680 --> 01:10:00.560
<v Speaker 3>people and to get out of this this sense of

1005
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:03.600
<v Speaker 3>tough love, and you know people have to hit the bottom. No,

1006
01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:09.159
<v Speaker 3>we have to keep addicts alive long enough to heal them. Yeah,

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01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:13.720
<v Speaker 3>well to pushing them over the edge. So yeah, go

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<v Speaker 3>to go to you act.

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01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Go.

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01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:19.079
<v Speaker 3>You can also go to my website Michael Jaminard dot com.

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01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:23.920
<v Speaker 3>It's where all of my books and my information are there.

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01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:25.960
<v Speaker 3>And if you want to want me to speak at

1013
01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:29.520
<v Speaker 3>your event, you can reach me there. But most of all,

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01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:33.560
<v Speaker 3>buy this book. Buy it, buy it for somebody else,

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01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 3>tell somebody about it. Let's make it viral. If I

1016
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:39.560
<v Speaker 3>can get this thing to be a best seller. It's

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01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:42.800
<v Speaker 3>not for fame or fortune. It starts the algorithms for

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<v Speaker 3>the New York Times making it a best seller, for

1019
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:48.960
<v Speaker 3>bookstores carrying it, for television stations, to book me, to

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<v Speaker 3>talk to spread the word to millions of people, you

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<v Speaker 3>know within an hour. So buy the book. Greater than Gravity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the book's called greater than Gravity. How child trauma

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01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:05.039
<v Speaker 2>is pulling down humanity? My guess today has been Michael J. Lenard,

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you for your website information and the information

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<v Speaker 2>in general, Michael is pretty fantastic. I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're living our life without really paying attention to what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell's going on. I think after time, which is marvel.

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<v Speaker 3>But I did my whole life. I did my whole life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>if it hadn't been for my wife nudging me very

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<v Speaker 3>strongly to write my memoir because she was tired of me,

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01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:40.399
<v Speaker 3>she was tired of hearing me talk about doing it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>she pushed me and actually drugged me to my desk

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<v Speaker 3>and said, don't leave until you.

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<v Speaker 2>Desk. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Credit to her. And it started this whole It started

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<v Speaker 3>this whole journey where you know, there's a saying that

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<v Speaker 3>each of us are responsible for the evil we are

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<v Speaker 3>aware of and do not address. So now to you,

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<v Speaker 3>so you have to pass it on to others and

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01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:05.960
<v Speaker 3>let's all shoulder this, this this load together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have a YouTube channel, Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I own, but I need one. I need one.

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01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:12.520
<v Speaker 3>I'll sell one up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. People would love to hear you know videos, in fact,

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01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:21.880
<v Speaker 2>the younger generation almost exclusively. Of course, here's podcast via

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01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:27.319
<v Speaker 2>the YouTube channel, which is all video. So hey, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for joining me. Much success on this again for

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01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:31.840
<v Speaker 2>those of you listening, The book will not be out

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<v Speaker 2>until March nineteenth, but I did see it the other

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<v Speaker 2>day on Amazon, so and I think Michael, you said

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<v Speaker 2>that you cannot pre order at this time.

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<v Speaker 3>You cannot. You can, you can pre order the kindle version,

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01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:48.520
<v Speaker 3>but the printed book you're gonna have to wait. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, as soon as you can, go to my

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01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:55.479
<v Speaker 3>website and click it right wait from us and it'll

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<v Speaker 3>it'll on March nineteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember your your website, is it? Michael J. Menard? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well that's the easiest thing to do right now because

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01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:05.960
<v Speaker 2>the website is very well done and you've got a

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01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:11.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of good information on it. Hey, much success, Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll stay in touch. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>He mentioned that the book's not going to be out

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, for at least another month, and you

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01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:30.239
<v Speaker 2>can actually see versions of it if you go to

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon and then good Books. But his website is excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael J. Menard, M. E.

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<v Speaker 3>N A r D.

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<v Speaker 2>Has all the details on just what you can expect

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<v Speaker 2>in his presentation his book. Also, when you're on his website,

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<v Speaker 2>check out the few videos he has. He's got some

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<v Speaker 2>good videos where he gets into some information on just

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<v Speaker 2>what you should be looking for as a wounded adult.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of us are walking around wounded, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean It comes in all shapes and sizes. When

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<v Speaker 2>I was divorced, I walked around with my guts hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out from a good year, if not more. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of We go through a lot of trauma as

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<v Speaker 2>adults as well. So anyhow, good subject, good talk, and

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<v Speaker 2>a worthy book Greater than Gravity. Check it out. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're almost at the end of winter, which means it's

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<v Speaker 2>time to think about spring, and that means that you

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01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:43.479
<v Speaker 2>should be thinking about getting away to Egypt. And that

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01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:46.960
<v Speaker 2>is one of the best places to be in the spring,

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<v Speaker 2>not only because it's the perfect weather to see these

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01:14:52.399 --> 01:14:59.279
<v Speaker 2>ancient sites, but there's much much more to do when

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<v Speaker 2>you have an it areas diversus ours. I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the seventh annual Grand Egyptian Tour that we do every year,

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<v Speaker 2>and this one is scheduled for April twenty eight through

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<v Speaker 2>May tenth. We all meet in Cairo. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>place to be right now because the Cairo Museum just opened,

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<v Speaker 2>this one billion dollar museum. You must have been hearing

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01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.800
<v Speaker 2>how frustrated I was over the years, and it's like,

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01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:25.680
<v Speaker 2>when is it going to be open? When? When? When? Well,

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01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:28.000
<v Speaker 2>it's now open, We're going to spend an entire day

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<v Speaker 2>there that's worth the price of admission, but so much more.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to see ancient sites. We're going to see

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<v Speaker 2>the Pyramids of the Sphinx. We're going to go to

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<v Speaker 2>some of the oldest cities in Egypt. And not only

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<v Speaker 2>do we travel in luxury, we spend time on the

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<v Speaker 2>Nile in these luxurious boats that are just built for comfort.

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<v Speaker 2>For all the details, all the information, go to Earth

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<v Speaker 2>Ancients dot com forward slash tours, look at the itinerary

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<v Speaker 2>and come out and join us. What a great way

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<v Speaker 2>to start the new year in elegance, relaxing and really

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<v Speaker 2>having a great trip learning about the ancient past. Earth

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<v Speaker 2>Ancients dot Com Forward slash tours. Right, that's it for

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<v Speaker 2>this program. I want to think my guest today Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Menard discussing his newest book, Greater than Gravity, as always

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<v Speaker 2>a team of guil Tour, Mark Foster and Feya Bavar.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys rock all right, take care of you will

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<v Speaker 2>and we will talk to you next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Ratigang rati bang no banbas Nobody didn't leave. Blame Lard

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<v Speaker 1>is an action dang like a flipped fell when the

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<v Speaker 1>high disasters.

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<v Speaker 2>Always happened to some.

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<v Speaker 1>Come back this week in empty rooms, log it about

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<v Speaker 1>the world un soon, i'mnfore seen and regretted. Ball Out

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<v Speaker 1>of fall Out say it's a magerrble. Yeah, if nobody's responsible,

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<v Speaker 1>if nobody gets away,