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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp The

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<v Speaker 1>House Whisper on demand on the iHeart Radio app Welcome Home.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Dean Sharp the House Whisper. I design custom homes,

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<v Speaker 1>I build custom homes, and here on the weekends. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here. I'm your guide to better understanding that place

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<v Speaker 1>where you live today on the show. You know, remodeling

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<v Speaker 1>season is just it is upon us. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>despite everything having to do with the local fires and

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<v Speaker 1>all the rebuilding there, I'm just talking about all across

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<v Speaker 1>the nation. This is the time of year when people

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<v Speaker 1>are gearing up to get going. Maybe you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing some room editions, maybe you're changing up some stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you're building from the ground up. You know where

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<v Speaker 1>it all starts. It all starts coming out of the

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<v Speaker 1>dirt with concrete. And so we're going to spend some

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<v Speaker 1>time talking about concrete today, concrete and Mason and if

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<v Speaker 1>we get a chance to get into both, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be great. I have sitting in studio with me a

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<v Speaker 1>very very special guest, one of my favorite concrete contractors,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love just sitting here in studio, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>talking shop with pros that I love and respect. Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Carson is here with me today. Oh there's our live

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<v Speaker 1>studio audience. Chris, say hi to everybody. Glad to have

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<v Speaker 1>you here.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, glad to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're gonna be We're gonna be diving into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do a little biz up front here. Don't forget

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<v Speaker 1>to follow us on show the social social all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just try that again. Don't forget to follow

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<v Speaker 1>us on social media, all the usual suspects. We're there, Instagram, TikTok,

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>We only do the good kind of social media, right, uplifting,

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<v Speaker 1>informative good stuff. So no risk. I'm not gonna spam you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to shock you. We're just gonna help

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<v Speaker 1>you along with your home as always, and of course,

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<v Speaker 1>if your home is in need of some personal house

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<v Speaker 1>whisper attention, then you can book an in home design

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<v Speaker 1>consult with me and the Tea, which is, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>how Chris and I met originally doing a coming over

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<v Speaker 1>to his place doing a consult for him. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we just launched off on a professional relationship. After that,

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<v Speaker 1>I was so impressed. You can just go to house

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<v Speaker 1>whisper dot Design if you are looking for an in

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<v Speaker 1>home consult house Whisper dot Design. All right, let's introduce

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<v Speaker 1>the team. As always, Elmer is on the board. Good morning, Elmer.

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<v Speaker 3>Whoo, I'm here.

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<v Speaker 4>I love the enthusiasm man.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Yeah, right right in. Yeah, Elmer is is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Producer Richie nowhere near microphone, but ready to take your calls.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, and of course we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>going to the phone, so I'm talking concrete today. But

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<v Speaker 1>as always, whatever it is that has got you scratching

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<v Speaker 1>your head about your house, you call me and talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me about that, and I'm going to help you

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<v Speaker 1>through it. The number to reach me eight three three two.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask Dean eight three to three, the numeral two ask

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<v Speaker 1>Dean A three three two ask Dean. The phone lines

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<v Speaker 1>are open now. Ricardo is standing by ready to take

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<v Speaker 1>your call, and you already heard his melodious voice. Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Caravella at the near his desk, Good morning morning. How

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<v Speaker 1>you doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing day two of doing the mornings. It was great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Is this a is this a long term gig?

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<v Speaker 1>Or are you being punned.

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<v Speaker 4>No, this was my choice. I just I needed to

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<v Speaker 4>switch just for the weekend. So so I'm making a

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<v Speaker 4>special guest appearance just just for today and yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, well we will treasure every month it my friend.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well a little be on demand in the podcast, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, always sitting across the table from me usually

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<v Speaker 1>is my better half, my design partner and my best

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<v Speaker 1>friend on planet Earth. She is nearby and we will

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<v Speaker 1>hear from her, but she's not in studio immediately. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>don't panic. Tina is also here today, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>my special in studio guest Chris Carson, who we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get down and dirty with right after.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from

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<v Speaker 3>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Here to help you take your home to the next level.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the next level? Well, he's got to hang

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<v Speaker 1>in there and find out, because I'm going to help

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<v Speaker 1>you find it, I promise. Also, we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>going to the phones in a bit. Got a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of calls on the board, but we've got room for you.

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<v Speaker 1>The number to reach me eight three three two. Ask

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<v Speaker 1>Dean eight three to three. The numeral two, ask Dean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that simple eight three three to two ask Dean.

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<v Speaker 1>Producer Richie standing by, He's ready to take your call.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll tell you everything you need to know. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking concrete today with my special in studio guest.

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<v Speaker 1>But as always, regardless of what I've decided to do

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<v Speaker 1>as a theme of the show, you can call me

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<v Speaker 1>about anything outside inside landscape, architectural design, decor construction DIY.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the whole mgilla. So give me a call.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me help you figure out what's going on with

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<v Speaker 1>your house. I will be happy to talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>about neo Gothic architecture or how to fix that leaky

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<v Speaker 1>toilet and everything in between. We'll just go for it,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. I'm very excited. Sitting across the table from

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<v Speaker 1>me this morning, my friend and professional colleague, Chris Carson

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<v Speaker 1>of Chris Carr Some Concrete and Masonry, is sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>studio with me because I wanted to talk concrete today

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<v Speaker 1>and any chance that I can actually bring one of

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<v Speaker 1>my colleagues and a respected contractor into the studio with me,

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<v Speaker 1>then all the better. Concrete. Concrete is Okay, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get into Chris's story here. But let me just lay

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<v Speaker 1>some groundwork for you. Concrete is synthetic rock, Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just to put it in a nutshell, we

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<v Speaker 1>figured out a few hundred years ago how to make

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<v Speaker 1>synthetic rock. In fact, the Romans figured it out how

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<v Speaker 1>to do it in their own way, and others before them.

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<v Speaker 1>It quite literally forms the foundation of our lives. And

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that in every sense of the word. Concrete

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<v Speaker 1>is holding up your entire house right now. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>your driveway, it's in your sidewalk, it's on your patio,

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<v Speaker 1>it's on your walls in the form of stucco, it's

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<v Speaker 1>on your roof in the form of tile. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>your house as grout and mortar, maybe even on the

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<v Speaker 1>finished floor or a countertop or two. And that's just

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<v Speaker 1>the concrete part, let alone the masonry, which goes hand

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<v Speaker 1>in hand with the concrete. Concrete is the most used

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<v Speaker 1>man made material in the world in the world, next

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<v Speaker 1>to water, next to water exactly. It is the second

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<v Speaker 1>most used resource after water. Are you hearing me? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>And concrete's use is increasing. China uses more concrete in

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<v Speaker 1>two years in two years right now, China is using

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<v Speaker 1>more concrete in a two year period than the US

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<v Speaker 1>used in the entire twentieth century. Think about that, all

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen hundreds, from nineteen oh one to nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the concrete used in the United States. Now

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<v Speaker 1>China uses that much concrete in a two year period

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<v Speaker 1>of time. About thirty billion tons of concrete are used

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<v Speaker 1>each year globally. That's the equivalent to and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know I believe this analogy here or this comparison. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure. Must have been a coffee drinker who came

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<v Speaker 1>up with this one, But it is the equivalent to

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen coffee mugs worth of concrete for every person on

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<v Speaker 1>planet Earth every day. That is how much concrete is

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<v Speaker 1>being used each year globally in the world. Concrete is

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<v Speaker 1>also a problem for us environmentally the way that we've

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<v Speaker 1>done it, and it is shifting. But concrete accounts for

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<v Speaker 1>eight percent, that is no small number, eight percent of

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<v Speaker 1>all global CO two emissions. If the cement industry, the

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<v Speaker 1>cement industry were a country, it would be the third

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<v Speaker 1>largest emitter of carbon dioxide in the world, after the

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<v Speaker 1>US and China. Just think of it that way. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean concrete is and no judgment on this, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>simply these are the facts. Concrete is a massive, massive

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<v Speaker 1>part of all of our lives and of human civilization.

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<v Speaker 1>Here in the twenty first century, concrete wasn't widely used

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<v Speaker 1>in the US. I'm going to have to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>this story. We're gonna have to talk about this. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't widely used in the US until after nineteen sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>when the Portland Cement Association used what I think I

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<v Speaker 1>like to call a classic drug dealer marketing technique to

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<v Speaker 1>pull off one of the most successful product campaign stunts

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<v Speaker 1>of all time. We're going to talk about that, but

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<v Speaker 1>first I want to find out more. I want you

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<v Speaker 1>guys to find out more about my special instant studio guests,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Carson. So tell you what. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to hear Chris's story. I want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>how you got into the concrete business, concrete and masonry business.

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<v Speaker 1>What leads a guy into that, and how long have

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<v Speaker 1>you been doing it? And what are your favorite and

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<v Speaker 1>least favorite parts of it? And then I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you all this drug dealer marketing technique that made

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<v Speaker 1>concrete such a prevalent part of our lives here in

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<v Speaker 1>the US. And then we're just going to get into

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<v Speaker 1>the practical stuff that affects y'all every day when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to your concrete, everything from cracking to curing, to

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<v Speaker 1>how does it really work? To what are the kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of finishes? And so on and so on, all of

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<v Speaker 1>the issues, all the highs, all the lows. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to cover it all.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, it's Dean Sharp, the house whisper with you here

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<v Speaker 1>on this lovely Have you looked outside today? I hope

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<v Speaker 1>so if you haven't get your butt out of bed,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, open the windows. Look outside. It is a beautiful, clear,

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<v Speaker 1>cool southern California. I mean, dare I say spring like? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think spring has kind of sprung here. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully we're going to get some more water falling out

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<v Speaker 1>of the sky. But it looks like at least the

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<v Speaker 1>birds in my yard have decided that it's springtime. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think, honestly, if I have to trust the calendar

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<v Speaker 1>or the wildlife around me, I'm going with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just let nature speak for yourself anyway. It's a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>day here in southern California. I hope wherever you are,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's not the same everywhere else. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>two degrees in some places. Wherever you are, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you're comfy. I hope you are warm and safe or

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<v Speaker 1>cool or whatever you need to be. And I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you've got some good plans for today. My big plan

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<v Speaker 1>today after the show, by the way, is was unexpected,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's fine. I'm gonna go do some work. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna actually go over to a dear friend's house and

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<v Speaker 1>help him deal with a plumbing leak that their whole house,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, built in the seventies copper, and the copper

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<v Speaker 1>ran all the new water lines overhead, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>right way to go. But I've got Chris in here.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one bit of groundwork left in his place

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<v Speaker 1>because they have a kitchen island, so a continuous roll

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<v Speaker 1>be good. But also I get to spend the next

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<v Speaker 1>of Carson Concrete and Masonry. Is that the official name?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I saying that? I just all, I'm your company

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<v Speaker 1>name is Chris. Call Chris see periods there you go? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris is a is a fantastic expert concrete and masonry contractor.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what we're talking about today, concrete. So first

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<v Speaker 1>how did you get into all this, how long you've

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<v Speaker 2>whether hanging drywall or whatever they're doing, and concrete was

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<v Speaker 2>slowed down and he'd lay off the people that were

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<v Speaker 2>the third time he laid me off, I go, well,

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<v Speaker 2>an ad in the penny Saver and put a add

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<v Speaker 2>in there. No job too small, concrete, masonry, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievably awesome. That is such a great story. Add in

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<v Speaker 1>the penny. You were called to it. I mean you really,

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<v Speaker 2>It's my calling and I had no idea what I

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<v Speaker 2>you know, do you know what you're doing? Everything? I said,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, then I would go find somebody. It's like help,

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<v Speaker 2>I need something, knows what you're doing. That's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>it was, Yeah, well it's starting.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you are the man. So what kind of work

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<v Speaker 1>do you guys do and what's your I have to

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<v Speaker 1>do my concrete? Where? What is your realistic range? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're out here in eastern Venture County with me, the

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<v Speaker 1>range of your work? Where will you go and where

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<v Speaker 1>do you cut it off?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm very thankful that most of my work is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say ten to twenty minutes right around

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<v Speaker 2>my town here. There's so much work in my town.

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<v Speaker 2>I do work for public entities, park School, done some

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<v Speaker 2>special stuff buried President Reagan at the Reagan Library associated

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<v Speaker 2>with the concrete work, some special things in my life

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<v Speaker 2>that I donated. But you know, came across it very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to be involved with. But my bread and butter is,

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<v Speaker 2>like I say, parking, rect schools, residential love, doing detail,

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<v Speaker 2>custom concrete work, finish work. I've done it all from

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<v Speaker 2>foundations at an early age, building foundations for chains like

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<v Speaker 2>McDonald's and Blockbusters. And you know, I got pretty big

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<v Speaker 2>when I was a young young man, maybe in my

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<v Speaker 2>twenties into my thirties, running thirty to thirty five guys

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<v Speaker 1>That's a serious undertaking for a guy in his twenties.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lot. That's serious, you know, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>starting to raise kids. But I hate it was my

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<v Speaker 2>calling and every you know, it's a fun business. Every

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<v Speaker 2>job is different, so you don't just go to an

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<v Speaker 2>office and check in. And you know, over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>as they went on, I started to learn and was

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<v Speaker 2>diversified in the concrete masonry, excavating, drainage, everything that's related

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<v Speaker 2>to concrete masonry. It's been a very fun business. I

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<v Speaker 2>still enjoy it. I'm still going to do it. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a great crew. If I could find people like

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<v Speaker 2>my crew, i'd probably be back to another big company.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm pretty much the hands on guy. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>one of those guys that run for one job to another.

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<v Speaker 2>I take care of my clients.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes you do.

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<v Speaker 2>We knock our jobs out and we pick up and

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<v Speaker 1>This is exactly your You are just just describing your

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<v Speaker 1>life as one of the reasons why want to have

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<v Speaker 1>you on the show. I hope you're all listening. What

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<v Speaker 1>you just heard is exactly the profile of any contractor

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<v Speaker 1>that you actually really want to have working on your project.

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<v Speaker 1>Right here's somebody who is passionate, called to it, a

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<v Speaker 1>true craftsman, somebody who loves the details. Somebody who is

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<v Speaker 1>not sitting in an office somewhere letting it just happen

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<v Speaker 1>out there, because because his first and foremost passion is

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<v Speaker 1>cashing checks and going about doing something else. He's there,

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<v Speaker 1>he's present, he's with it, his hand picked his crew,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would be happy to have a larger operation,

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<v Speaker 1>but not going to do it unless the larger crew

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<v Speaker 1>matches the same quality profile of the as the existing crew.

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<v Speaker 1>This is exactly the profile of a contractor any in

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<v Speaker 1>any field that you are looking for. And he's sitting

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<v Speaker 1>here blushing right now because he's like, oh, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is the truth. So all right, So now

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Chris, you know what he's about. And when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, let's talk concrete one oh one, A

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<v Speaker 1>residential concrete one oh one, like we were during the break,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a it's a relatively simple concept, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a material that is you know, essentially made up

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<v Speaker 1>of for the most part, like for ingredients, right. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you got some Portland cement of some sort of form

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<v Speaker 1>or another, which is the adhesive. You've got a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of different forms of aggregate, you know, sand, plus a

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<v Speaker 1>larger aggregate of sorts, some form of gravel or rock

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<v Speaker 1>in the mix, and water. I mean, it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a basic cake recipe, okay, that can be altered in

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<v Speaker 1>an infinite amount of ways and applied in an infinite

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<v Speaker 1>amount of ways, depending on how you do it. And

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<v Speaker 1>it is incredibly intimidating for just about everybody, including me

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the finished work. Like I was

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<v Speaker 1>side of the news.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from

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<v Speaker 3>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining us on the program today. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a privilege to spend time with you on a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday morning, on any Sunday morning, Brain or shine, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here and I'm glad you're there too. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be going to the phones right after the next break,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, So now, if you've been hanging back,

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<v Speaker 1>now is the chance eight three three two ask Dean.

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<v Speaker 1>A three to three the numeral to ask Dean, A

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<v Speaker 1>three to three to ask Dean. That's the point right

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<v Speaker 1>of the call. To ask Dean a question about your house,

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<v Speaker 1>A three three to ask dean. Producer Richie standing by

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<v Speaker 1>ready to take your call. He'll tell you everything you

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<v Speaker 1>need to know. Hop you into the queue, and who

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<v Speaker 1>knows you and I will put our heads together. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get it. We'll get it worked out. I promise we will.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting in studio with me, uh, Chris Carson uh, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the finest concrete contractors, concrete and masonry contractors I've

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<v Speaker 1>had the privilege of knowing. And he also happens to

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<v Speaker 1>be a neighbor and sitting here. We both live in

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<v Speaker 1>the same town. And I told Chris, hey, I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>a concrete. She'll come over and hang out with me

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<v Speaker 1>and let's talk shop so that everybody can gain perspective

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<v Speaker 1>from your expertise and wisdom as well. We just heard

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<v Speaker 1>kind of his story the quick If you missed the

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<v Speaker 1>last segment, by the way, then you need to go

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<v Speaker 1>back and listen to the podcast, which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you know this show is our House Whisper podcast as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to the podcast and just listen to Chris describe

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<v Speaker 1>the course of his career, how he got started, why

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<v Speaker 1>he does what he does. You will hear whether you're

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<v Speaker 1>interested in concrete right now for your house or not.

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<v Speaker 1>You will hear the quintessential profile of the proper contractor

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<v Speaker 1>to find for your project. Okay, because Chris and I

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<v Speaker 1>were both we were just talking during the break, just

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<v Speaker 1>you know the years of you know, learning stuff the

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<v Speaker 1>hard way, discovering what it is that's most important to

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<v Speaker 1>us in life and in business, and then just holding

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where that's where Chris is at, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lesson worth learning. Chris, let's talk about just

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<v Speaker 1>concrete one oh one. Like I said before the breaks,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty simple mix, but it's got infinite possibilities.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why it is the largest resource used second second

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<v Speaker 1>to water on planet Earth. Right, the thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>think is most intimidating about concrete for most people is that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a one and done thing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to get it right. Once it all pours

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<v Speaker 1>You either did it right or you didn't. It's either

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and and it's not like it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>framing a wall where I'll show up and the crew

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<v Speaker 1>has put the window in the wrong place and I'm like, oh, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>grab the saws all let's move that over a few

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<v Speaker 1>inches and renail it. That's not happening in your business.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a whole level of prep and detail that

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<v Speaker 1>with excavation. Compaction is obviously a big thing. Concrete as

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<v Speaker 1>the ground moves earth, yeah it's gonna it's gonna fight.

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<v Speaker 2>So we we take we take precautions to alleviate the

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<v Speaker 2>material and compacting that. And then when.

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<v Speaker 1>just pour it in kind of finds itself at eighty

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it's sand, gravel, or base material. A barrier in

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<v Speaker 2>allows I'm going to say, like a sponge. It it

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<v Speaker 2>allows a cushion for movement, for the concrete to not

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<v Speaker 2>fail as it would maybe just as poorn it right

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<v Speaker 2>over the earth of the dirt. Also, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of other things that come into play when you're pouring

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<v Speaker 2>concrete and you know you have water involved, You're picking

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<v Speaker 2>up mud and stuff in the dirt, the sand and

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<v Speaker 2>the compacted base material. Keep your boots clean when you're

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<v Speaker 2>walking around a lot of times things will come off

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of your boots and the end result will

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<v Speaker 2>be in the finished surface at the top of the concrete.

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<v Speaker 2>But back to yeah, you got the base material, course

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<v Speaker 2>you have your rebar material, the thickness, the mixed design,

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<v Speaker 2>poor in placement. But I just want to add one

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<v Speaker 2>thing with all this being said, all this work that

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<v Speaker 2>is involved in doing a proper concrete job is the

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<v Speaker 2>control joints. The control giants are they're promoting the cracking.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's so we're going to back up just

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<v Speaker 1>a second here. Our listeners have heard me say this

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<v Speaker 1>for years and years, and you and I have heard

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<v Speaker 1>this and say it all. There are only two kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of concrete in the world. Concrete that has cracked and

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<v Speaker 1>concrete that hasn't cracked yet yet. Okay, it's going to crack.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to crack. So a control joint is how

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<v Speaker 1>we anticipate the cracking and how we control the cracking.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why it's called a control joint. A control joint

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<v Speaker 1>is a is a groove that we place essentially in

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<v Speaker 1>the a scoring groove that we place in the top

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<v Speaker 1>surface of the finished appearance of the concrete. And just

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<v Speaker 1>like the perforation on a ritz cracker or not a

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<v Speaker 1>ritz like a saltine cracker. When you get a whole

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<v Speaker 1>sheet of crackers out and you start to tweak that

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<v Speaker 1>brittle side substance, those crackers are going to crack along

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<v Speaker 1>that perforation because we've weakened the surface tension intentionally right

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<v Speaker 1>at that point. And so a control joint is not

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<v Speaker 1>to stop cracking. It is to direct the crack down

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<v Speaker 1>inside the joint, right, And that's the idea. And not

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<v Speaker 1>enough people and not enough contrary contractors actually place enough

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<v Speaker 1>emphasis on control joints because they get pushed by a client.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I don't want all those lines all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we just make it bigger and smoother? So just

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<v Speaker 1>oh we're gonna have to go to break here. But

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<v Speaker 1>just just as a point of your technical expertise, when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to any large surface pore of cement, what's

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<v Speaker 1>your I mean, I've got guys who have said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ten ten, every ten feet is fine. I've never been

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable with ten feet because I've seen problems with ten feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Other guys are like, well, you know, every two feet,

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<v Speaker 1>but what is your comfortable range? In general that you

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<v Speaker 1>would advise our listeners don't have control joints any further

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<v Speaker 1>than this far apart.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say when you get into the bigger jobs, the

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<v Speaker 2>parking lots and things like that, an eight foot would

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<v Speaker 2>be to me a maximum. It's much better to look

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<v Speaker 2>at a nice control joint than a crack. I like

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<v Speaker 2>to go about six feet. I'm talking more residential work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so a driveway or so on. So find a

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<v Speaker 1>way to incorporate into the design of the flat work

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<v Speaker 1>these scores that can go. You know, let's say a

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<v Speaker 1>maximum of six feet, and what you'll and what we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get ideally after that is the cracks. But the cracks

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<v Speaker 1>will occur in places will control that surface tension, and

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<v Speaker 1>they won't show up because they'll be down inside that groove.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the key, that's the goal. All right, We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk more about this, but when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got some calls on the board, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>we'll answer some phone calls. Chris, how's that sound all right? Everybody?

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