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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another deep dive. This time we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>taking a look at ransomware. Yeah, you gave us this

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<v Speaker 1>excerpt from a book. It's called Preventing Ransomware. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, right off the bat, it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>we're in for a treat. Yeah, but thankfully we have

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<v Speaker 1>expert speaker here to help guide us through this.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy to be here, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So to kind of set the stage, yeah, the book

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<v Speaker 1>takes us back to, you know, the early days of malware. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you remember, like the I Love You worm? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, looking back now, it almost seems quaint, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does. It's like back then, malware was almost playful, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I Love You. It would spread through emails

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<v Speaker 2>and it would like replace files, but it was mainly

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<v Speaker 2>just about disruption. It wasn't really about you know, making money.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now it's all about the money exactly. The malware

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<v Speaker 1>is all grown up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's matured really very much.

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<v Speaker 1>So. So how did we get from like those early

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<v Speaker 1>days who just kind of and around to where we

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<v Speaker 1>are now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think a big part of it is that

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<v Speaker 2>shift towards profit, right, Yeah, as online systems became more

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<v Speaker 2>and more essential to businesses and individuals. The potential for

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<v Speaker 2>financial gain just became too tempting for attackers to resist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like they realized, hey, we can actually make

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<v Speaker 1>money off of this exactly. So let's talk about like

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<v Speaker 1>the different types of ransomware. The book starts with scareware, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>which to me feels like the og trickster.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Scareware is all about deception, right, and preying on

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<v Speaker 2>people's fear.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you know those pop ups that scream your

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<v Speaker 1>computer is infected exact click here to download this scanner,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like the malware itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Or those fake anti virus programs with like really sleek

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<v Speaker 2>interfaces that just bombard you with warnings and threats.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm surprised that stuff still works.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you'd think people would be more savvy to it,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, there's still plenty of people who aren't

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<v Speaker 2>as tech savvy. Ye, you know, maybe older users or

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<v Speaker 2>just anyone who like panics easily when they see technical jargon,

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<v Speaker 2>they might not realize that legitimate security software doesn't use

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<v Speaker 2>those kinds of aggressive tactics.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so what about screen lockers?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, those are interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Those just like lock you out of your device until

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<v Speaker 1>you pay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Essentially, they hold your device hostage and they display

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<v Speaker 2>this message demanding payment to unlock it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Have you ever encountered one of those?

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't personally, but I know people who have. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and the early versions were pretty simple, but they've gotten

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more sophisticated over time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them even mimic like official notices from law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, to really amp up that fear factor.

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<v Speaker 1>That's scary. But the book did mention there might be

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<v Speaker 1>ways to like outsmart them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, depending on the complexity of the locker, there are

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<v Speaker 2>potential workarounds like booting into safe mode or using system

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<v Speaker 2>restore points. You know, those aren't always guaranteed to work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, right. But now let's get to like the

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<v Speaker 1>really serious stuff crypto ransomware. Okay, this is where things

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<v Speaker 1>get like really interesting and terrifying and terrifying. Yeah yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean what makes crypto ransomware so different?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's the use of advanced encryption. It's like a

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<v Speaker 2>digital thief changing the locks.

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<v Speaker 1>On your house and then demanding a ransom for the

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<v Speaker 1>key exactly, And even if you pay the ransom.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no guarantee you'll actually get.

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<v Speaker 1>Your data back, right, You're trusting criminals to keep.

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<v Speaker 2>Their word, and criminals aren't exactly known for their honesty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Good point. So how does this encryption like actually work.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a lot of them use a combination of symmetric

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<v Speaker 2>and asymmetric encryption. Okay, think of it as a double lock. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So they generate a unique key for each file, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they encrypt that key with a master key

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<v Speaker 2>that only they have.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm already lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Complicated stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe it'll help if we like look at some

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<v Speaker 1>real world examples. The book starts with jeep Code, which

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<v Speaker 1>was like one of the early ransomware players.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Jeepode is a good example of how ransomware has evolved.

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<v Speaker 1>Okoy.

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<v Speaker 2>It used a relatively weak encryption.

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<v Speaker 1>Algorithm, so it wasn't that sophisticated.

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<v Speaker 2>Not really. No, In fact, some victims are actually able

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<v Speaker 2>to decrypt their files without paying the ransom. Oh really Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it also left traces on the system, which made

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<v Speaker 2>it easier to track.

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<v Speaker 1>So not exactly master criminals at.

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<v Speaker 2>This point, No, not quite.

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<v Speaker 1>The jeep code was kind of a stepping stone.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, it paved the way for more sophisticated attacks

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<v Speaker 2>like crypto locker. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That one was a big deal, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It really was.

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<v Speaker 1>Strong encryption, Bitcoin payments, the whole nine yards.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a whole new level of.

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<v Speaker 1>Threat and it's spread like crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It mainly spread through phishing emails, okay, disguised as

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<v Speaker 2>messages from legitimate companies like FedEx or ups.

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<v Speaker 1>So you would open an attachment and boom, your data

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<v Speaker 1>is locked down.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That a trick of tricking people into clicking.

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<v Speaker 2>On things they should It's amazing how effective it still is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>social engineering remains one of the most powerful tools in

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<v Speaker 2>the ransomware.

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<v Speaker 1>Arsenal Right, So from g code to crypto locker, we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this trend towards more sophisticated tactics, and then comes

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<v Speaker 1>crypto wall, right, which the book describes as like almost

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<v Speaker 1>treating ransomware like a legitimate business.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fascinating, isn't it. Yeah, they had version updates, support systems,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole works.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, support systems like they would actually help their victims

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<v Speaker 1>pay the ransom.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds crazy, but yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of messed up, it is, But I guess it makes.

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<v Speaker 2>Sense, right, Yeah, the smoother the payment process, the more

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<v Speaker 2>likely victims are to.

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<v Speaker 1>Pay, right, So it's all about maximizing profit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a twisted kind of customer service.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very twisted. Yeah. And then of course there was Lockie,

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<v Speaker 1>which was like a master of disguise.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. Lockie was constantly changing its tactics right to

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<v Speaker 2>stay ahead of security measures, so it was really.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard to detect. And then we have Serber, which would

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<v Speaker 1>actually play audio messages demanding payment.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's like something out of a horror.

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<v Speaker 1>Movie, right, it's just adding insult to injury exactly. And

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<v Speaker 1>the book also mentioned that Serber used configuration files to

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<v Speaker 1>adapt its behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Those configuration files allowed the attackers to modify Serber

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<v Speaker 2>without having to rewrite the entire code, so.

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<v Speaker 1>They can easily change things like the ransom amount or

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<v Speaker 1>the files they.

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<v Speaker 2>Were targeting, exactly, and made it a very flexible and

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<v Speaker 2>adaptable threat.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So we've talked about scareware, screen lockers, and

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<v Speaker 1>this whole world of crypto ransomware, but the book also

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<v Speaker 1>mentions another category, boot ransomware.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, those are nasty like petya.

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<v Speaker 1>So what makes boot ransomware different.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, boot ransomware targets the master boot record or MBR,

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<v Speaker 2>which is basically what's needed to start your computer. So

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<v Speaker 2>by infecting the NBR, Petya could lock down your entire

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<v Speaker 2>system before Windows even had a chance to load. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 2>which made it incredibly difficult to remove.

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<v Speaker 1>So you turn on your computer, yeah, and instead of

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<v Speaker 1>seeing your desktop, you'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Get a ransom note.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a nightmare, it is. Okay, we've covered a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ground here, we have. I'm already feeling a

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<v Speaker 1>little overwhelmed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot to take in, I know, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>understanding these threats is the first step to protecting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yourself, right, well said, I think we need a moment

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<v Speaker 1>to just like digest all this before we move on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's pick up where we left off, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's time to talk about a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>names that you know, really shook things up in the

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<v Speaker 1>world of ransomware. Want to Cry and not Patya.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those were game changers.

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<v Speaker 1>What made them so different from you know, everything else

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Want to Cry back in twenty seventeen, really exposed

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<v Speaker 2>how vulnerable a lot of systems were.

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<v Speaker 1>The book called it a global panic inducer, and I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was everywhere. It was hospitals, businesses, governments.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody seemed to be immune to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's because it exploited this vulnerability and a system

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<v Speaker 2>that was used for file sharing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it spread really easily.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like wildfire through networks.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess that's you know, one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that made it so.

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<v Speaker 2>Scary, right, it showed how interconnected our digital world is yea,

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<v Speaker 2>and how vulnerable we can be because of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the reasons it spread so quickly, as

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<v Speaker 1>I understand it was this self spreading mechanism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, once it infected one system, it could automatically jump

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<v Speaker 2>to other vulnerable computers on the same network.

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<v Speaker 1>So no human interaction required.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, it was like a digital contagion.

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<v Speaker 1>Just hopping from system to system.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and that made it incredibly difficult to contain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, by the time you realized you were infected, it

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<v Speaker 1>could have already spread to who knows how many other

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<v Speaker 1>systems exactly, So want to cry was bad enough. But

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<v Speaker 1>then there's not Petya, which from what I read, wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even really about making money.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Not Petya was much more destructive. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a wiper disguised as ransomware.

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<v Speaker 1>So its goal was to destroy.

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<v Speaker 2>Data exactly, not hold it hosted.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just malicious.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very targeted and malicious attack.

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<v Speaker 1>The book mentions how it went after the master file table,

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<v Speaker 1>which honestly I don't fully understand. It's pretty technical, but

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<v Speaker 1>the end result was basically mass chaos and damage.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, yes, not Petia caused a lot of damage

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<v Speaker 2>to businesses and organizations around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's spread using similar techniques as want to Cry.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, it exploited the same vulnerability, but its intent

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<v Speaker 2>was purely destructive.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've seen how ransomware has evolved from those early

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<v Speaker 1>days to these global threats like want to Cry and

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<v Speaker 1>not Pettia, and it's pretty clear that there's a serious

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<v Speaker 1>problem that's not going.

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<v Speaker 2>Away, not anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's shift gears a little bit and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how these attacks actually happen. How does ransomware get into

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<v Speaker 1>our systems in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question because understanding the methods of attack

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<v Speaker 2>of the most common ways ransomware gets in is through phishing.

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<v Speaker 1>Fishing, that classic attack of tricking people into clicking on

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<v Speaker 1>Engineering, manipulating people into letting their guard down exactly. So

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<v Speaker 1>And don't click on any links and ntil you've hovered

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if it looks suspicious, don't click.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good advice. But it's not just fishing, right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there are other ways ransomware can get in, like what, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Exploit kits, what are those?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like they're scanning your system for any cracks

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<v Speaker 1>And then they exploit those cracks exactly. And these exploit

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why it's so important to keep your software updated, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It could.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's another way ransomware can get in.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, drive by downloads, Yeah, those.

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<v Speaker 1>Are scary one of those exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Imagine you're visiting a website. Okay, seems harmless enough, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Wait what I thought you had to download something or

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<v Speaker 2>Be risky to a certain extent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but there are ways to mitigate these risks, right, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about understanding the threats, yeah, and taking appropriate precautions.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's talk about those precautions. All right, what

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's start with the basics. Operating system hardening.

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<v Speaker 1>Operating system hardening, what's that?

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<v Speaker 1>Auto un auto run.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that do that prevents programs from automatically launching

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<v Speaker 2>from external devices. Oh yeah, you should also use strong passwords.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, passwords that are hard.

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<v Speaker 2>To guess exactly, And of course keep your system patched

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<v Speaker 1>Those pesky updates.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I know, but they're important, right.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So we've got the basics covered. But what

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not a fool proof solution.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like a magic shield that will block everything.

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<v Speaker 2>No, unfortunately not.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, traditional antivirus relies on signatures to detect known threats, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And while that can be effective against some ransomware variants, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>more sophisticated attackers can evade signature based detection.

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<v Speaker 1>So they find ways to sneak past the antivirus exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But the book does talk about how antivirus has evolved

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<v Speaker 1>what are some of the things that antivirus is doing

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<v Speaker 1>now to keep up with the bad guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, modern antivirus solutions are incorporating more sophisticated techniques, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>like heuristics, which involves analyzing code for suspicious patterns, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and behavioral analysis, which monitors how programs behave on your system.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just about looking for specific files anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's about recognizing patterns and behaviors that might indicate

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like they're trying to think like the attackers

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<v Speaker 1>in a way. And in addition to antivirus, Windows itself

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<v Speaker 1>has built in security features that can help protect against ransomware.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are some really useful features like what. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Storage, all right, and that helps how.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. And there's another one.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, there's ASLR, which stands for a dress space

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like they're constantly moving the target.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good way to think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm guessing it's a good idea to keep these

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely they add an extra layer of protection.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good to know. And if you're using Windows eight

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<v Speaker 1>What does that do well?

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<v Speaker 2>It's designed to prevent attacks that target the boot process

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<v Speaker 2>like petya exactly. It verifies the integrity of the bootloader,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes sure that only trusted software is loaded during startup.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like having a bouncer at the door checking

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of gatekeepers, we can't forget about.

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<v Speaker 2>Fire Oh yeah, firewalls are essential.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's heard of them, right, but I'm not sure everyone

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<v Speaker 2>They act as a barrier between your computer or network

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<v Speaker 1>So they're basically filtering traffic based on certain rules exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Like who's allowed to connect and what ports they can use.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're like a security checkpoint inspecting the traffic.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>The book talks about different types of firewalls. Yeah, network

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a network firewall protects your entire network, okay, it

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like having a security guard at the entrance

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<v Speaker 1>to your building exactly, checking everyone who comes in and out.

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<v Speaker 1>And a host based firewall.

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<v Speaker 2>That's installed on your individual computer so it protects that

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like having a personal bodyguard exactly. So having

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<v Speaker 1>both types of firewalls is ideal. Ideally, Yeah, it provides

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And in addition to firewalls, there are also intrusion detection

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, idips SIPs. What are those, Well, think of

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<v Speaker 2>them as the traffic cops of your network, Okay. They

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<v Speaker 1>They're like looking for anything out of the ordinary, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>They come in two flavors, right, IDs and IPS.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. An IDs passively monitors traffic and alerts you to

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<v Speaker 1>So they're like having surveillance cameras and security guards working together.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>And the book mentions something called Snort signatures. How do

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Snort is a popular open source intrusion detection system, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and it uses rules called signatures to identify malicious traffic.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, So these rules define patterns of network activity

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<v Speaker 1>So if the traffic matches a.

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<v Speaker 2>Rule, Snort raises a red flag.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So it's like having a security camera that's programmed

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<v Speaker 1>to recognize suspicious behavior exactly. Okay, So we've got anti virus, firewalls,

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<v Speaker 1>intrusion detection systems, the law, I know it is, but

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like we're building up quite a security arsenal

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<v Speaker 1>here we are. What about dealing with like suspicious files?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you come across a file that you

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<v Speaker 2>There is?

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<v Speaker 1>You can use a sandbox a sandbox, right, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about those earlier. Could you remind us how those work?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, A sandbox provides a safe, isolated environment where you

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like a virtual detonation chamber.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can safely detonate a potential bomb in there without

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<v Speaker 2>And the sandbox the file's behavior, looking for any malicious

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<v Speaker 2>actions like what like file encryption, network communication with known

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<v Speaker 1>So if the file starts acting shady, you know it's

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<v Speaker 1>sandboxes are a great tool for analyzing those potentially dangerous files,

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<v Speaker 1>especially those that might evade traditional anti virus detection. Right. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got all these layers of defense in place, antivirus, firewalls,

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<v Speaker 1>intrusion detection, sandboxes. But what about our data itself?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, yes, the crown jewel.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly what can we do to protect the information that's

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that brings us to the last line of defense,

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<v Speaker 2>data protection. Okay, And one of the most powerful tools

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<v Speaker 1>Encryption, right, that's about scrambling our data so it's unreadable

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<v Speaker 1>without the decryption key exactly. So even if ransomware does

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's like putting your valuables in a safe.

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<v Speaker 1>That only you have the combination too, exactly, And the

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<v Speaker 1>What is BitLocker.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a full disc encryption feature built into certain versions

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<v Speaker 2>of Windows. It encrypts your entire hard drive.

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<v Speaker 1>So even if your device is lost or stolen, the

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<v Speaker 1>data is protective. That's pretty reassuring it is. But what

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<v Speaker 1>if the attacker already has access to your system? That's

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<v Speaker 1>a good question, Like what if they've already bypassed all

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<v Speaker 1>those other layers of defense that we talked about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>is there anything we can do to recover our data

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<v Speaker 1>if it's been encrypted by ransomware?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's where backups come in.

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<v Speaker 1>Backups, right, the classic advice.

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<v Speaker 2>It's classic for a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>It works, it does.

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<v Speaker 2>Backups are your safety net. Yeah, in case of a

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<v Speaker 2>ransomware attack or really any other data loss scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>So even if our files are encrypted, we can just

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<v Speaker 1>restore them from a backup.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It's like having a spare key to your house

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<v Speaker 2>in case someone changes the locks.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that analogy.

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<v Speaker 2>Regularly backing up your important data to an external hard

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<v Speaker 2>drive or a cloud storage service or some other secure location.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be a life saver, it really can. And

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<v Speaker 1>what about data loss prevention solutions DLP? Yeah, the book

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<v Speaker 1>mentions those as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. DLP solutions are designed to detect and prevent sensitive

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<v Speaker 2>data from leaving your organization. They monitor data in use,

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<v Speaker 2>in motion, and at rest, so.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like security guards for your data exactly, watching for

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<v Speaker 1>any suspicious activity.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. They can be a really valuable layer of defense

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<v Speaker 2>against data breaches.

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<v Speaker 1>Including those caused by ransomware that might try to steal

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<v Speaker 1>your data exactly. Okay, Wow, we have covered so much

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<v Speaker 1>ground here. We have, and it's clear that defending against

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<v Speaker 1>ransomware is not a simple task.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not. It's a multifaceted challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to be proactive, yes, vigilant absolutely, and have

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<v Speaker 1>multiple layers of defense in place.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not about being paranoid, right, it's about being informed

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<v Speaker 1>and prepared exactly. I think we've given our list a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to think about here.

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<v Speaker 2>We have.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we should take a moment to like recap everything

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<v Speaker 1>we've discussed, okay, and highlight the key takeaways. Sounds good, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So here we are the final part of our ransomware

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been quite a journey, hasn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>It has. We've covered so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, We've talked about the history, how these attacks have evolved,

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<v Speaker 2>how they spread, you know, the whole shebang.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I hope our listener is feeling more

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<v Speaker 1>informed than intimidated at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the goal.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess if if there were like just a

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<v Speaker 1>few key takeaways that you want our listeners to remember

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<v Speaker 1>from all of this, what would they be.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the most important thing is to understand that

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<v Speaker 2>ransomware it's a serious threat. Yeah, but it's not unbeatable.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You can drastically reduce your chances of becoming a victim

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<v Speaker 2>by being proactive and taking those steps to secure your

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<v Speaker 2>systems and your data.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all about prevention exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't wait until it's too late to start thinking about security,

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<v Speaker 2>right right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess you know the second big takeaway is

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<v Speaker 1>that this threat landscape is constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>Changing, yeah, always evolving.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, new ransomware variants are popping up all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and the attackers they're always looking for new ways to

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<v Speaker 1>exploit those vulnerabilities.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It's a never ending game of cat and mouse.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have to stay vigilant.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, never get complacent.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep learning, keep adapting.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because the bad guys they're not slowing down.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they're not. And then I guess you know. The

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<v Speaker 1>third big takeaway is that even with the best defenses

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<v Speaker 1>in place, Yeah, there's always a chance that something could

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<v Speaker 1>slip through the cracks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true.

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<v Speaker 1>So we need to have a plan in place.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. You need to know what to do if you

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<v Speaker 2>become a victim of ransomware.

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<v Speaker 1>And the book talks about having an incident response plan. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that involve?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, an incident response plan outlines all the steps you

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<v Speaker 2>should take if you get hit with ransomware, like isolating infected.

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<v Speaker 1>Systems so you prevent it from spreading.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, contacting law enforcement, assessing the damage, that sort of thing. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Having a plan in place can help you minimize the impact,

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<v Speaker 2>recover more quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>And potentially avoid paying the ransom hopefully. Yeah. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, having a fire escape plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You hope you never have to use it, but if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a fire, you know what to do. Be prepared,

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<v Speaker 1>Be prepared exactly. Yeah, okay, Well, this has been a

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<v Speaker 1>really insightful discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>I've enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Any final thoughts before we wrap things up.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the most important thing is to remember that

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<v Speaker 2>this is a marathon, not a sprint. This fight against ransomware,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an ongoing process. You have to keep learning, adapting,

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<v Speaker 2>staying ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the curve, and don't forget the human element.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's crucial.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Ransomware often succeeds because it preys on our vulnerabilities,

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<v Speaker 1>our fear, our urgency, our tendency to just click on

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<v Speaker 1>things without thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right. If we can educate ourselves and others about

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<v Speaker 2>those tactics, we can create a much stronger defense.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said, Yeah, Well, that concludes our deep dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the world of ransomware.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>We've covered a lot of ground we have, but hopefully,

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<v Speaker 1>you know our listener feels empowered with the knowledge they

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<v Speaker 1>need to stay safe out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Knowledge is power.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely Thanks for joining us on this deep dive. Until

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<v Speaker 1>next time, stay curious,
