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Speaker 1: You were listening to Patlifradio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome, Welcome to another episode of Askterbats with Doctor Jeff.

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I am your host, Doctor Jeff Warber. We'll be here

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for the next thirty minutes hoping to hear from you,

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and we want you to give us a call. And

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it's good we have a caller in. And boy, it's

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been a heck of a week and it's for me.

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It's just kind of starting. But give us a call

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when you can. Eight seven seven three eight five eight

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eight eight two. And I'd love to answer your questions

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about your dog's cats, you name it. If I don't

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have the answer at my fingertips, which is unusual for

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dog and cat, it's very possible with some of the

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other little creatures out there. I will get it for you,

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like asap. I'm literally sitting here talking to you, just

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about to head to the airport in about an hour

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and a half. I'm going to the American Veterinary Medical

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Association conference to be held in Chicago, Illinois, and it's

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one of two summer conferences. About a month from now,

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I'm off to Kansas City for the Central Veterinari Conference.

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And boy, it's been a heck of a work week

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so far. Had two really really tough cases yesterday, and

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it was interesting in the contrast of the you know,

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the cases you can have of the same disease, the

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same condition, and yet the ramifications the results could be

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so totally different. There is a common condition we see

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in dogs and it is a splenic tumor. And you know,

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we see these animals they come in and they are

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often with a bloated belly, so you can kind of

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see something going on a lot of times. If they're

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already bleeding, you might look at the gums and they're

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awfully pale. So, oh, is that call of there? Why

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don't we all will take the call? Here?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 4: Hi?

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Speaker 5: Can you hear meara?

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Speaker 2: Hi? Sarah?

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Speaker 6: Oh good? I had a question. My dog has crystals

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in his urine, and so now you have to be

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on the special diet.

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Speaker 2: Is he on SD or CD or urinary XO? You

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know what twenty's on?

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Speaker 6: Well, he was on FD and then he was getting

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so fat commits that I switched him to the dry food,

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which is the low it's royal canine.

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Speaker 2: Royal canaan. Is it urinary s O? Or which one?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're an airs o the low okay, sure, uh huh.

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And I in a little bit of the SD with

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he has a little wet and a little dry perfect

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and then he drinks to stilled water and everything. But

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there's I just wanted to know if there were I mean,

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he used to eat so many vegetables and he loves

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and I know I'm not allowed to give back to him.

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Is there any other treats or anything that I could

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give him that won't, you know, hurt his diet or

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this is it forever?

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Speaker 2: But here's here's the thing. When it comes to urinary

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cristal and dogs, the most common crystal we see is

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called a triple phosphate crystal, which is ammonium magnesium phosphate.

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And the key to the formation of these crystals is

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the urinary pH and most of the phosphate. The triple

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phosphate crystals seem to thrive in a basic urine, which

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is a urine above the pH of say seven point five.

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So when these dogs come in with the urinary pH

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of eight and a half and crystals, you can assume

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that's what the problem is, that the urin needs to

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be acidified. There are some other crystals. Interestingly, the oxalates

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that seem to do better in a basic pH, so

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you run the risks sometimes if you bring that urine

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pH down too low, meaning too acidic, you might take

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care of the phosphate crystals, but then you're gonna have

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trouble with the some of the oxalates of the urates.

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So it's pretty confusing. So if you want to feed

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vegetables that, I would say that there are some urinary

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acidifiers that you can try, for example, ammonium chloride and

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even good old fashioned vitamin C, a scorbic acid. Vitamin

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C don't get the fancy rose hips. You get the

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cheap stuff, a scorbic acid. And you could feed some

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ascorbic acid add to the diet and that might keep

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the urine acid enough that you can still feed in

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mix in some you know, broccoli qualify whatever you were adding,

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and what kind of vestables were you feeding?

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Speaker 6: It was really broccoli, green bean.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, and you know those should be okay. So

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what I would recommend is if there's any concern about

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having that urine pH sort of past that seven point

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five mark or even seven, then try adding some ammonium

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chloride it's called or one of the vitamin c's, the

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inexpensive ascorbic acid vitamin C and have the urine just

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checked to make sure that the urine is staying on

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the acidic side. One note, however, it's important to know

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that it is recommended to look at the urine soon

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after it's collected. If urine sits even in the fridge

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for a long period of time, all right, it can

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develop crystals. So we often get a false positive crystal.

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Read if the urine is brought in or drawn by

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the veterinarian in the morning and the lab pickup isn'

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until the afternoon. It's sitting out or sitting in the fridge.

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the driver takes to the lab and by the time

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the pathologist gets it, it's form crystals, which is normal.

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You get this residue. So just you have to sort

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of take it part in the pun with a grain

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of salt. I mean, you have to know that that

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the best way to evaluate crystals is on a very

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very recent catch or a recent collection. Then you can

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have the veterinari and can have one of his technicians

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put a drop with a couple of drops on the

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slide and look right away and truly see are there

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crystals already formed? And if the urine is fairly fresh

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and the no crystals, that's the important read, not the

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one that the clinical pathologist at the lab is going

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to take, you know, five six hours later, all right,

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So you can ask the vet, ask the vats taking

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me favor, have one of your your lab techs take

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a quick look at the urine right away as soon

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as we catch it, all right, And they can also

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do a quick little urine dipstick and just see make

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sure the pH is a good pH as well, all right,

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So try those things and that way you can cheat

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a little bit and not feel guilty and be those vegetables.

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Speaker 6: And vegetables are good for them, right, and have maybe

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a little less food so he can lose some weight.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, absolutely, all right, all right, Sarah, thanks for

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the call. You're welcome. See everybody. How painless? Was that

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very easy? Seven three eight five eight eight eight two.

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You can also kind of send us a little note

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here right online when we're alive at doctor Jeff at

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petlife radio dot com. I would say, well, here in

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the chat room, we have looks like something maybe coming in.

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So we were talking about how things like spleens can

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make a big difference. And we had a dog in yesterday,

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an older dog. It was actually a pharaoh hound. Love

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to know if anybody knows what a pharaohound is. And

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so we had this dog coming in and it had

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the classic huge belly. It just looked like the typical

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splinic tumor, maybe a liver problem. The belly was full,

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it was tight to the touch. It seemed like there

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was some fluid in there. And we talked to the

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owner about all the good the bad. The dog was

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a little on the older side, but I said to him, look,

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if we do nothing, we're gonna end up with a

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dead dog. The dog is gonna bleed out. At the

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very least, we got to go in. And of the

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tumor possibilities, there's actually one that's a benign tumor. We

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call that a splinic homangioma. There's one that's a malignant

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tumor called hamangio sarcoma. Then we also often will see

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a hematoma, which is just like a blood blister within

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the spleen. The hematoma and the manjoma are totally benign.

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If you get that spleen out in time, it's one

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hundred percent curative. So we talked about the pros and

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cons what we need to do. So we went into

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this dog's belly and this spleen, the tumor was huge.

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It had attached itself to the stomach, to the kidney

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and to the body wall, meaning there was no way

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that this tumor could be resected, and it was bleeding

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all over. It was just such a shame, and you know,

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it's one of those things where you know, it's the

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toughest phone call to make when you're calling an owner

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to let them know that there's no way to help

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you this pet, and they really should come in and

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say goodbye, and they did, and you know, it's always

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a sad scene whenever that happens, and everyone around, all

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my employees, my technicians, everyone is so sad because it

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was such a great dog. In contrast to that, we

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had a little dog coming today, about a seven year

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old little sheetsu that again presented. The owner noticed a

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kind of a firm swelling when she would pet the dog,

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and me for this neutered male dog looked like actually

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he was pregnant. I mean, that's how big his belly was.

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So going through the same thing, talk about all the possibilities.

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And interestingly, when in this morning, in fact, that's where

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I was just before coming up here to join all

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of my listeners. And this was the classic splenic tumor.

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It was confined to the spleen. It was pretty ugly.

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It wouldn't surprise you I be come back as am

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angio sarcoma, but it could come back on angioma. And

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the liver was perfect, and the stomach was perfect, and

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the kidneys were perfect, the intestines, everything else looked great.

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We removed it. This dog was already up from anesthesia,

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and we're just hoping that this will come back maybe

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hemangiomo or hamangio excuse me, a hematoma and not the

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ugly hamangio sarcoma, so that'd be great. So it just

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goes to it shows you that you never know. And

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that's why every case is an individual case. And one

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thing I learned, and I've learned it from cases like

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yesterday's the Pharaoh Hound and one that happened to me

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years ago. I remember the dog was named Leo, and

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I thought for sure, for sure, this was going to

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be one of these respectable tumors. Told the owner, you know,

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the chest is clear, everything looks good. It's on the

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ultra sound. It look pretty confined. Not to worry. Not

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to worry. Opened that dog up and there were mets

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metastases all over the liver that were bleeding. So I

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had to call the owner, and he and I both

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had no idea at the time that this would be

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the outcome. So what I do now is, uh, we'll

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always go ahead and let the owner know and try

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to have the owner spend a little time with the

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pet before the surgery, because you never know what's going

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to happen. So anyway, we're going to come right back.

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Mick who is listening, and Mick is having a problem

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with his fleeing tich medication. And the problem is this

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is I noticed that when I put the flee in

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tich medication, my dog seems to not feel good for

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the next twelve to twenty four hours. Is that normal?

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Or should I try using a different brand? And it's

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a great question, and the answer is, we don't know

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necessarily how much of that sensitivity is going to be

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general across the board, or is it something that is

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that particular product. So if this is a new product,

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the product you've never used before, and you've never had

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this particular problem before on using something else, then I

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would say it's got to be this particular brand, and

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I would switch if it only lasts for twelve twenty

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Tis the instructions say put it on one spot along

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the back of the neck, the shoulder blades, whatever I

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find that, especially with certain dogs, it's okay to sort

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of spread it down the back. Don't let too much

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of it sit in any one spot. And another suggestion,

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a lot of pet parents make the mistake of putting

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on the fleeentiic medications, and of course we're talking about

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the spot on types. They put it on a perfectly

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clean dog right after a bath, and I don't recommend

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doing that. I recommend waiting about two days, at least

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a day and a half. And here's why these medications,

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these products are all what we call lipophilic. They like fat,

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and they need fat in order to sort of spread

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themselves with the body. If you have a dog who

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has such clean skin that there's no place for there's

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no way that this stuff can spread out fast because

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the that's not there. It takes about a day to

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a day and a half for the oil cells in

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the body to replenish the dry dog to replenish the

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oil that was washed away from the bath. And therefore

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that spot on just sits in that one spot or

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wherever it is you put it. But if you wait

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about a day or two day and a half two days,

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then as soon as you put it on the body

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is going to start doing what it does best and

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it's going to spread that medication over the body as

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it should. So I would tie have a number of suggestions.

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you put it on. Wait about a day or day

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and a half day and a half to two days

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after the bath.

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Speaker 2: If this is the first time you've ever had this

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product and you've never used you've never had this problem

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with other products before, then I would say change products,

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go back to what you are using. If you have

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this problem regardless of the product you use, then it's

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just your dog and put up for it for twelve

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to twenty four hours. But a suggestion would be spread

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it out over the body. Put it in a bunch

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of different spots instead of just two or three. Put

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it in like six or seven different spots along the back,

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and that might mitigate some of the signs that you

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are noticing. So anyway, I hope that helps you need

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anything answered. If you have more questions or ABMs, go

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ahead and text me back, write me back here at

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petlife radio dot com. I can see the questions coming

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in online as you type them, so it makes it

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really really easy. So let's see what else. Oh, these

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conferences said, I'm off to Chicago. Here it's hot and muggy.

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I'm hoping to maybe I can even catch a cuppies

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or a White Sox game. In fact, interesting, I was

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in Chicago a couple of summers ago. And by the way,

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Chicago in the summer is a really a great town.

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I like it anyway, you know, great food, a lot

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of places to go. But the weather is it doesn't

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bother me, the muggy weather, and it's just you know,

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it's it's still eighty degrees at night, which is great.

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weekend of the game between the White Sox and the Cups.

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It was the interdivisional games that they often have, and

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uh it was at Wrigley Field, and you know, a

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very historical place to go to Wrigley Field. And anyway,

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it was just a lot of fun. So I'm looking forward.

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And then I get to head off to Kansas City

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for the Central Veteranight Conference and I sit there. It's

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a great conference, growing conference, and really does it gives

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us such a great opportunity to find out what's new

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There's so many great products out there. There's so many

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great devices out there. When I think back, and I

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remember that we were warned back in veterinary school that

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every five years, half of what was known as gospel

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is now obsolete. And that's huge. So all of a sudden,

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I'm practicing now for a long time. I'm in my

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thirtieth year, and when I look back, I'm going to

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pack back. So I still have a lot of my

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old notes from that school and my old textbooks. I

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figured maybe someday it might be worth a penny. And

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I look at what we used to teach. And you know,

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a great question that was brought on by micking the

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fleet products is let's talk fleas for a second, and

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how things have changed dramatically over the years. Back in

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the day. And I hate to sound like an old guy,

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but back in the day, we used to say for

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every one flea you found on your dog, there were

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twenty five to thirty in the environment, all right, which

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means if you had three or four fleas, all right,

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you had close to one hundred fleas environment. And spend

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so much time on treating the environment. We had foggers,

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we had the bombs. We had the premise prays right.

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And now as we've learned more about flea behavior thanks

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to some of the experts out there, like my friend

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Mike Dryden at the Kansas State University, we learn that

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fleas are actually obligate parasites. Flease need that blood meal

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and if they don't have it, they're going to die

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within hours, sometimes as long as ten maybe as short

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as five hours. When we have fleas in the environment,

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these are fleas that are either recently hatched, they're recently

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developed fleas, and we all go from the flea egg

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to the larvae to the young adult to the adults,

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all right, or they're adult fleas that have not yet

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had that blood meal, or they're adult fleas that have

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had their first blood meal. But it's even that within

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that five to ten hour period they're still around. They're

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not interested in you. They want that dog. They can't

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find the dog, they may go after you. So now

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understanding the mechanics the life cycle, is that adult fleas

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that have been primed, meaning they had their first blood meal,

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are now obligate parasites. They need to live on that host,

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which is the dog or the cat. Now we don't

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spend as much time in the environment because we know

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that anytime that larvae becomes an adult, and that adult

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flea jumps on that dog for the first time, it

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takes that first blood meal, it's gonna now need that

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blood and if it doesn't get it's dead anyway, So

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let's not worry about it. Any of the fleas in

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the environment are going to be young, you know, young

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adult or still you know, recently hatched baby fleas, which

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is why typically when you do see fleas in the environment,

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you're going to see them and if they're jumping on you,

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they're really little teeny in their heart to find they're

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hopping like crazy, I know, they're amazing. I mean some

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other facts about fleas. A flea can hop something like

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over one hundred times its size. A female flea in

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peak season under the right conditions, which is the humidity

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of at least seventy five percent and temperature whatever, they

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can lay up to forty to fifty eggs a day.

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So and you have that one flat, plump, fat, plump

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female on a dog, she is potentially dropping into your

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environment twenty five to forty to even up to fifty

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eggs a day, which explains why they can be such

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a nuisance if you don't take care of the problem.

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So what I recommend is taking care of the fleas

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on your pet, on the dog or the cat, because

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they're obligate parasites. And I recommend speaking to your veterinarian.

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There are too many things out there that are unsafe,

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especially when it comes to cats, ineffective because of some

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political issues out there with some of the flea products.

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Check with your veterinarian to get the real skinny on

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what you should be using as far as flee control

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in the environment. If you really have a major environmental problem,

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you want to do something as well. You want to

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find and make sure that what you use because as

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we just learned that most of that which is in

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the environment flea wise, are going to be eggs, larvae,

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and babies. You want to look for a product that

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has an IGR. IGR stands for insect growth regulator. So

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it's more important actually for environmental control to use that

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which is going to inhibit the development of the larval

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stage into the young adult stage. Eggs to larvae to

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the young adult so those are called IGRs, and I

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think it's best to get them in a form that

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is easily applicable. It's not really that smart to get

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foggers anymore, because why, we've also learned that larvae are

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photo sensitive. They're photophobic. They don't light light, and they're

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very sensitive to light. So what do they do. They

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will crawl and they make their way to an area

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that doesn't have direct sunlight. That might be under a

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coffee table, that might be under a couch or lounge chair,

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that might be under your bed. When you set a foger, however,

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and you lay them down, you set them down on

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the floor on the coffee table, on top of the

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piece of newspaper, and you set them and you be

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lying out of your house. That myst is shooting up

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in the air, but it's settling on top of all

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those pieces of furniture where the larva are hiding below.

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So the very same furniture that you set the machine

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on is protecting that larvae and it's just not getting it.

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So you want to use a premise spray where you

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can direct the spray. You don't have to spray very

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heavily where there's in the middle of the living room floor.

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If there's a big bay window, and you're getting sunlight

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all day. You do want to spray, however, under the

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furniture and only about four to six inches underneath. You

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don't have to go like an under the middle of

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a king sized bed, just sort of around the perimeter

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and that would help. So anyway, that hopefully will clear

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up some of the issues that we have for fleas.

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And also know that this time of year most parts

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of the country is mosquito season and along with mosquito

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season comes heartworm, So make sure you protect your dogs

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and even or especially I should say, you're outdoor cats,

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because cats are also susceptible to heartroom disease, and sadly,

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we don't have a treatment for cats. We can treat dogs,

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but we can't treat the cats. So the best way

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to treat and I use that term loosely a cat

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for heartworm disease is to prevent it. So if you

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have a cat that is an outdoor cat and you

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live in a mosquito endemic area, please please please see

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your veterinarian and make sure your cat is on heartworm

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prevention as well as your dogs. Here in California, southern California,

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we're not hit that hard but I interestingly, I do

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see some mosquitoes around my home, and therefore I do

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use heartworm invention on my dogs as well. But something

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you speak to your veterinarian. You know, much like vaccines,

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it's all about what we call the core, the inherent

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disease is in your area that you need to protect

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your pets against, and so when it comes to certain vaccines,

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it could be you know, many many different vaccines that

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we use. Likewise, when we are protecting our pets against

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fleas or heartworm disease, I think of those weird diseases

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that we don't see everywhere, some of the tickborn problems.

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If your dog is not ever going to get ticks,

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you don't have to worry about it. You don't need

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the lime disease vaccine if you're living in an area that

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diseases and endemic and your dog really doesn't get any ticks,

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so check with your veterinarian. I don't like you when

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you go to the store and you start buying things

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because most of the things that you buy may not

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be necessary for your pet. And let's face it, in

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my opinion, sometimes less is more, and we don't want

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to overload your pet with a bunch of chemicals, a

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bunch of vaccines, things like that. So I want to

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thank our callers and I want to thank but well

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Mick for typing in a question. I want to thank

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You can find things at Target, etc. And we will

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see you back next week here at Ask the Bets

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with Doctor Jeff on Petlife Radio dot com. Thanks for

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joining me.

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