WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see, something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:22.719 What what's gonna happen? What? Help? 3 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:28.399 What is? Everybody? Welcome to another This is magical nail bag. 4 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.000 I've got my co host Nick with me. Nick, tell 5 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:31.920 him what you've been working on? 6 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:33.320 Yeah, what's going on? 7 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:34.079 Uh? 8 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:37.880 Still we're still working on Plato almost done, almost done? 9 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:39.920 Uh? What else we had? 10 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:40.079 Uh? 11 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:42.560 We had betted on today ifeople didn't catch it covering 12 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:44.600 dark DNA, just showing like how they could funk around 13 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:48.719 and manipulate that ship. Actually, so im wondering if our 14 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:52.679 technology is actually even manipulating us to begin with our 15 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:54.880 DNA going by the way he was showing that again. 16 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:59.640 Well, if we go back to uh ahesh. I. I 17 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.079 keep thinking about that episode, you know, because that was 18 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:06.000 like thinking about computer vision really changes your perspective on 19 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:10.120 things like that's the first form of intelligence is visual stimulus, 20 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:14.920 And so thinking about that in reference to some of 21 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:18.000 these other topics like Alex Gray, for instance, one of 22 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:21.000 my favorite artists. He's putting eyeballs everywhere, you know, the 23 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:22.200 guy who does the tool stuff. 24 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:24.840 Yeah, and it's like that's. 25 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:27.439 The birth of intelligence and he's putting into all these 26 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:31.000 different spots as sort of like this interlocking you know, 27 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:36.159 mesh work. But yeah, it's like the DNA specifically. He 28 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:40.840 talks about how there's there's no reason why DNA changes 29 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:45.359 after you've already been born, but it does, right, that's 30 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:49.879 the epigenetic factor. And the epigenetic factor isn't really explored 31 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.480 too much by science. So the dark DNA stuff, that's 32 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:58.040 very important, you know, So I do that. Let me 33 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:07.599 let me get into my pull this up back to 34 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:12.960 the pentacles. Yeah, this symbol means death. 35 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:18.960 What this mysterious ancient symbol appears again and again in 36 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:22.680 Nordic Bronze Age artifacts and throughout Bronze Age Europe. Over 37 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:25.960 three thousand years ago, this pointed star or rosette shape 38 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:29.039 was fashioned into the basis of wooden and metal cups, 39 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:32.400 was stamped into golden bowls, and even crowned the tops 40 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:35.840 of the famous Bronze Age gold hats of Central Europe. 41 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:36.400 It was long. 42 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:38.479 Now, I gotta stop it right there, because as you 43 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:43.199 could see, like these sun shapes are very similar to 44 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:46.520 the sand dollar. And what he gets into a little 45 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:49.240 bit is how the sand dollar is very influential. But 46 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.000 where else do you find the five pointed star in 47 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:57.719 a circle. It's the pedacle, so the sand dollar could 48 00:02:57.759 --> 00:02:59.879 be the birth of the pentacle. And it goes back 49 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:03.560 well this is fourteen hundred BC, but it goes back either. 50 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.000 Shore to be a solar symbol, one of many signs 51 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.199 related to the sun focused Bronze Age religion, and maybe 52 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:12.759 it is. But the specific design perhaps comes from somewhere 53 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:18.840 unexpected deep that helps us understand more about our ancestors beliefs. 54 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:22.800 This fascinating twenty twenty four paper by Christian Horn suggests 55 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:26.159 the motif comes from the sea. Along the beaches of 56 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:30.680 the Baltic Sea, Nordic Bronze Age people encountered fossilized sea urchins, 57 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.599 naturally weathered out of local deposits. These fossils often display 58 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:38.360 a striking five raid star pattern, almost identical to the motif. 59 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:43.120 Scene on how pantical is that? I mean, come on, 60 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.680 this is part two, but you could see exactly where 61 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.360 all of this stuff is coming from. It has to 62 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:51.039 do with the sun, it has to do with the sea, 63 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:55.479 It has to do with bringing things down into reality. 64 00:03:55.520 --> 00:04:00.560 It's the point where you know, the you know, the 65 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.840 altar of the world is sort of handed to you, 66 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:07.120 right they're telling you, hey, this is this is supportant 67 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:08.639 One age artifacts. 68 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:12.400 And these fossils were deliberately collected and placed in burials 69 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:17.079 alongside amber shells, seaweed, and water worn stones, because in 70 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:21.199 many Indo European traditions, the afterlife lies beyond the sea. 71 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:25.360 The dead joney westwards following the sun, crossing water to 72 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:29.079 reach the realm of the ancestors. Beaches then were liminal places, 73 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:33.120 the threshold between worlds. The star marked sea urchin fossil 74 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:36.600 represented this concept. Maybe it was understood as a solar 75 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.839 or star symbol, but somehow born from the sea, these 76 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:43.480 ancient and mysterious stones marked with a natural symbol that 77 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:47.279 mirrored the cosmic order. So it became a material link 78 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:51.160 between land and water, between this world and the afterlife, 79 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:53.360 between the living and the ancestors. 80 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:54.319 And when the. 81 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:58.480 Same star symbol was used on drinking vessels and ritual objects, 82 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:03.160 it's embedding these cosmo logical ideas into ritual acts. And 83 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:06.680 when placed in tombs, tombs that could themselves be shaped 84 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:09.079 like the symbol, it was a reminder that death, like 85 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.360 the sun sets across the sea, and perhaps that one 86 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:15.800 day the soul will return again like the tides and 87 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.560 like the sun each day. Interestingly, these fossils have also 88 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:23.439 been found in much later Anglo Saxon sites and burials 89 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:27.399 in eastern England too, perhaps a truly ancient practice brought 90 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:30.519 by the early medieval invaders. You can find out more 91 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:32.720 about Bronze Age religion on my channel. 92 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:38.800 Now, well, what do you think? What do you think 93 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:43.560 is there a link between the pentacle and these sea 94 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.360 urchins or sand dollars as we call them. Those are 95 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:51.839 different different species of sea urchin, making this carapace, this 96 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:55.879 sort of connection between you know, the liminal space of 97 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:56.319 the sea. 98 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:00.560 I could see that even with the pentacle if you 99 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:02.839 think about it, depending on how it's being used or represented, 100 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:05.560 like in ceremonial magic, it is actually even though it's 101 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:09.600 associated with Earth, it would also be representing the other 102 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:12.639 elements and spirit. So I mean I could see it 103 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:15.480 being you know, associated with water in that sense, like 104 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:20.319 it's it's tied to the earth, you know what I'm saying, 105 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:24.160 Like it's grounded to the earth reutless, you know, So 106 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:27.439 like that that water is still like laying on the earth. 107 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:32.360 And water is a potent symbol for spirit too, So 108 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:35.560 you've got soul. Did he say whether or not that 109 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.439 soul had a you in it or was it just 110 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:44.720 oh yeah, I think you mentioned that soul, soul, soul 111 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:48.879 the sun, right, Like we're seeing that connection, right, there's 112 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.199 there's that huge connection between the sun and the afterlife 113 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:53.839 and all the rest of the stuff that you get 114 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:56.920 in the five pointed star that you can't really get 115 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:59.879 too many other places. But it's a different kind of pentacle. 116 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:05.360 It's a more pointed and less geometric shape. But you 117 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:10.000 see it also with the the starfish, right, five sides 118 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:13.720 for the starfish as well. So I think a lot 119 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.560 of our symbols do come from the ocean, and you know, 120 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.120 people aren't really too. 121 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:23.600 Hip to it, you know, no I even uh even 122 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:26.759 like a thing that's even kind of like well used 123 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:31.720 for isis or like a certain feminine goddess, you know, 124 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:37.560 goddesses obviously the feminine of their goddess seashells for like 125 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.680 like using those who like put stuff in for like offerings, 126 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:44.720 or I've seen people incorporate seashells just. 127 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:46.439 To you know, again something to do with the water 128 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:48.199 and feminine femininity. 129 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:52.079 The birth of aphrodity. She comes out of a seashell, right, 130 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:55.920 sea foam, seashell. That's where love comes from. Love's coming 131 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:58.079 from the ocean. That's interesting. 132 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:00.519 Yeah, depending on like what I was using. 133 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:02.720 Sometimes, if I was like working like with Isis, I 134 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:04.680 think I would use if I had a sage stick, 135 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:06.519 I would put it out or put it. 136 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:10.839 In the seashell like so like you know, I changed 137 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:11.160 that out. 138 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:14.120 I guess to represent close enoughmor something to do with 139 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:18.079 the feminine. But yeah, seashells and stuff with the water 140 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:22.800 for sure. Me definitely forgottess and feminine energy and again 141 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.439 birthing stuff into reality, and to bring birthing stuff into form, 142 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:28.920 even the child, even the woman breaks water. 143 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:36.000 Would you know, Well, the path of the sun seems 144 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:38.840 to be where you get your soul from, right, I 145 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:43.159 mean it's in the name. So your birth sign is 146 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.960 the solar sign, right. The soul coming up at a 147 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:50.840 certain part of the sky gives you your birth sign. 148 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:53.879 So it's it's sort of like it's all sort of 149 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:57.759 incorporated into the soul idea. It's like the sun is 150 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:02.080 imprinting on you certain aspects. 151 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:02.799 Oh tell. 152 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:08.440 I, Hey, so would people talk about solar worship, they 153 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:12.960 don't really incorporate the idea of the birth sign. But really, 154 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:17.600 why not? Why not? It's right there, you know. So 155 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:21.720 sun worship, I think, is getting a lot more attention nowadays, 156 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:24.799 probably because people are a little bit more you know, 157 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:29.240 aware that there's this ancient, ancient link to sun worship, 158 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:32.639 and it has to do a lot with psychology and 159 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:34.799 how we view the world around us, whether it's a 160 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:37.679 good place or a bad place. If you think about gnosticism, 161 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:42.240 narcissism sees birth into this world is sort of like 162 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:47.679 a villainous act, right, It's like the archons and put 163 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:51.080 you into this horrible place, whereas sun worship is like 164 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:53.120 the opposites. It's like, thank you for giving me life, 165 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:56.720 thank you for imprinting me. It's a completely different view 166 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:02.720 of the things that we're given. You know. Let's see. 167 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:08.000 Yes, so I figured in order to combat all your 168 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:13.240 penis gods, I brought the vagina goddess. She could definitely 169 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:14.879 handle that. Other that could do with that you brought on. 170 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:20.120 I'm sure a guy who's got like at all, She's like, 171 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:20.600 I got you. 172 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:24.440 This is a Sheila. 173 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:32.919 This is a Chilander Gigs, this stone woman at the threshold, 174 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:36.440 Sheila da Gig is a figurative carving of a naked 175 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:40.519 woman displaying an exaggerated vulva. These carvings from the Middle 176 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:43.840 Ages are architectural and they're found throughout most of Europe 177 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.039 on cathedrals, castles. 178 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:46.480 And other buildings. 179 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:50.360 The greatest concentrations can be found in Island, Great Britain, 180 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.960 France and Spain, sometimes together with male figures. Ireland has 181 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:59.120 the greatest number of surviving, surviving carvings, and they've been 182 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:01.559 sighted up to I think one hundred and twenty four 183 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:04.600 examples in Ireland and forty five they found forty five 184 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:09.879 in Britain. The carvings, Yeah right, I'll get into a 185 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:11.720 little bit of this later. The carvings may have been 186 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.679 used to ward off death evil demons of the grotesque carverings, 187 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:16.919 such as gargoyles and hunky punks. I don't even know 188 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.159 what the fuck that is. We're funky punks any way, 189 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.679 I got I gotta do that one next week. We're 190 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:27.559 frequently part of church decorations all over Europe. Scarlets disagree 191 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:30.480 about the origins of the figure. James Jarman and Anthony 192 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:32.840 Weir believe that Shilan and the Gigs were first carved 193 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:36.120 in France, and Spain during the eleventh century. De motif 194 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:39.120 eventually reached Britain and then Ireland in the twelfth century. 195 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:44.320 German and were work was a continuation of research begun 196 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.440 by Jorgan Anderson, who wrote The Witch on the Wall 197 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:50.840 in nineteen seventy seven. The first series book on Shilan 198 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:56.000 and the Gigs someone by someone In Kelly, keeper of 199 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:59.320 Irish Antiquities at the National Museum of Ireland in Dublin. 200 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:01.960 He draws a to the distribution of Silani giggs in 201 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:07.919 Ireland to support We're in Germane's German's theory. Popular hypothesis 202 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.639 is Shilen and Gig represents a pagan goddess, but academics 203 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:14.840 believe the situation was more complex, with multiple interpretations and 204 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:17.879 roles for the female character. As a as spiritual traditions 205 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.320 change over time, the goddess in question usually is identified 206 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:28.799 as Celtic, the hag, like Calique Kalech figure of Irish 207 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:34.279 and Scottis mythology. Margaret Murray proposed this, as did Anne Ross, 208 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:37.200 who wrote in her essay The Divine Hag of the 209 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:41.120 Pagan Celts. I would like to suggest that there that 210 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:46.120 in their earliest iconography form they do, in fact, portray 211 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:47.679 the territorial war. 212 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:49.440 Goddess in her hag like aspect. 213 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:54.240 Georgia Rhodes suggests the figure may represent the Crone or 214 00:12:54.279 --> 00:13:01.080 an Earth goddess from Celtic mythology. Mercy Mercy Allays the 215 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:05.159 Encyclopedia of Religion in nineteen ninety three draws parallels between 216 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:07.720 the Shilander gig and ancient Irish myth of the goddess 217 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.279 who granted kingship. She would appear as a lustful hag, 218 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:14.559 and most member refuse her advances, except for one man 219 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.519 who accepted. When he had relations with her, she was 220 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:21.159 transformed into a beautiful maiden who would comfort royalty onto. 221 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:25.200 Him and bless his reign. It's like beauty and the beast, 222 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:26.000 with the other way around. 223 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:31.039 There are additional the prince you remember the frog gig 224 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:32.879 and I kissed the frog to get a prince this year. 225 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:38.039 There are additional variants of this common Northern European motif 226 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:42.159 see loathly lady. Anderson devotes a chapter to his theory 227 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:45.840 entitled Pagan and Medieval, while suggesting possible pagan influences on 228 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:48.440 Irish shilan at the gigs, he considers them as having 229 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.039 a medieval context. He argues that pagan origins are less 230 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.240 likely than influence from the continent during the medieval period. 231 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.399 What can be said against it is that it is 232 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:02.039 less easily proved and can be less easily illustrated than 233 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:06.320 the possible continental French origin for the motif. 234 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.559 Sorry fucking that up now. 235 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:12.679 Some of the things that it's also been supposedly again, 236 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.879 I mentioned fertility, or maybe I didn't. It's been looked 237 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:19.000 at for fertility. This hypothesis usually is combined with the 238 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:23.960 goddess explanation. Barbera fried Tag suggests the figures were used 239 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:28.399 in fertility contexts and associate them with birthing stones. This 240 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:31.039 is folkloric evidence of at least some of the Silani 241 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:34.039 gigs being used in this manner, with the figurines being 242 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:37.200 loaned out to women in labor. It's also been looked 243 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:40.000 at as a thing for lust, where in German suggested 244 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:43.559 that silandigigs served as a worn against lust. They see 245 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.679 the figures as a religious warning against sins of the flesh. 246 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:50.720 Exhibitionist figures of old types male, female, and bestial are 247 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.639 found frequently in company of image of beasts devouring people 248 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:57.799 and of the Hellish images. These images, they argue, were 249 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:01.320 used as means of religious instructions to a largerly largely 250 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:05.320 illiterate populace. And it's also been known as for protection. 251 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:09.840 And again Anderson and Weir and German think the figures 252 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.440 also have been used to protect against evil. This would 253 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.159 explain the use of the figurines on structures such as castles. 254 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:21.279 They served as apotropaic function designed to ward off evil. 255 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:23.960 In Ireland, some of the figurines were called the evil 256 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:28.240 eye stones, which supported their theory. Some folkloric evidence is 257 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:32.879 known as a oh God and a Sma skirt lifting 258 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:35.679 being used by a woman to ward off evil spirits. 259 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:38.399 And uh yeah, I think I got a few more 260 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:43.399 that I could show real quick. There he goes another one. 261 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:54.559 Oh yep, there she goes. It's funny. Eye shape is 262 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:59.320 similar in all these different depictions. It's it's very It 263 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:06.679 kind of has uh Samerian feel to it. That one's 264 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:10.879 that one's a little bit more Easter Island, right yeah, right, 265 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:21.000 interesting down spout fucking eyes even bugget out of this one. 266 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:26.480 That shit hurts right well. I think the the eyes 267 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.320 are shaped like it's supposed to look like wrinkles. I 268 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:31.200 think that's that's what it's sort of saying to me. 269 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:34.679 It's it's supposed to be a haggish sort of yeah wrinkle. 270 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:37.679 But you know, to point something out that none of 271 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:40.039 these other guys are are pointing out when it comes 272 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:44.840 to this thing, is that you've got father time and 273 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:47.440 mother's space. They have to put these on top of 274 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:49.840 all of these cathedrals, and they have to put them 275 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:53.200 on top of castles, all places where you've got to 276 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:55.919 be thinking about the use of space, right, and you 277 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:57.919 could see over and over again, and all of these 278 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:06.039 cathedrals in Europe they've got very very strong goddess vibes, 279 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:11.039 like the three entryways. The middle door is always the 280 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:14.279 largest because it's supposed to symbolize two legs, like you're 281 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:17.240 going inside of the body of the goddess, inside of 282 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:22.240 the space, right, So like they're not thinking about this 283 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:25.519 from the perspective of like the holistic view of it. 284 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:28.799 Like the letter M, for instance, is supposed to be 285 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:34.000 a motherly type letter and its shaped like two legs, 286 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:38.039 right giving birth. This is the same kind of giving 287 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:41.599 birth motif, and it's on top of these castles. So 288 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:46.400 you know, we're not going with the aspect of maybe cosmology, 289 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:50.079 we're going with, Oh, these are just you know, silly spirits. 290 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:53.559 But in fact, if you think about it, all interior 291 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:58.799 space is have kind of a feminine quality to them. 292 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:01.680 I didn't design the body or how things are produced, 293 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:05.400 but all things come from inside to the outside world. 294 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.880 Than in doing so, it creates that kind of that 295 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:11.640 that motif itself, you know. So I think there is 296 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:16.319 there's more to this idea of mother space in father 297 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:21.440 time then people are giving credit to. But it's it's there, 298 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:25.559 you know. I mean, they can't design a building without 299 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:30.359 a little bit of that femininity aspect to it, exactly. 300 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:32.599 There we go. 301 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:42.079 All right, Well, I think we've got some mail. I'm 302 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:46.559 gotta check. So, I don't know, have you been following 303 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:47.759 what's going on in Australia. 304 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:49.680 No, what's going on. 305 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:57.079 They're passing a bill that well they split it up 306 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:02.400 into several bills that now illegalizes speech that has already 307 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:10.319 been said. So they're retroactively classifying people's speech is being illegal. Yeah, 308 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:20.799 this is like UK on steroids, right, that's crazy. It's 309 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:24.480 utterly incomprehensible. But what I think it is is that 310 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:28.559 the government is so hungry for a win against the people. 311 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:31.319 They feel that, you know, they've been programmed their entire 312 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.559 lives to fear more than anybody else. Right, they think 313 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:38.359 that they're targeting Nazis by targeting the whole country, and 314 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:40.839 so they're going to take everybody and put them onto 315 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:44.640 the same classification because you have to have radical equality 316 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:48.000 when it comes to these laws. And the added bonus 317 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:51.839 is that now you can illegalize any political challenger to 318 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:56.720 your reign. You could just you know, preemptively classify them 319 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.720 as illegal and they never can form a political party, 320 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:02.400 so you don't have to worry about it. Like this 321 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:05.400 shores up all the problems that they see with democracy, 322 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.839 which is what if the wrong guy gets elected? This 323 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:16.480 is perfect for that. Well that's what all governments worry about, right, 324 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:18.400 what if the wrong guy gets elected? We could see 325 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:20.720 it over and over again with Donald Trump's first administration. 326 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:22.920 Oh no, the wrong guy got elected. 327 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:29.599 Well nothing. 328 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:32.640 Again. 329 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:35.119 Tell you, man, this is the wrong with your email. 330 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:38.680 It's gotta be. I'm gonna I'm gonna start a different one. 331 00:20:39.079 --> 00:20:45.359 I'm doing test emails to myself. Gmail has has always 332 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:49.960 had this problem, and I guess it's it's just a 333 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:50.960 continuation of that. 334 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.519 Yeah, I literally took about an hour and a half 335 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:58.200 the and the guy who's like swearing, he's like, do 336 00:20:58.279 --> 00:20:59.880 what I sent you the email forty five minutes. 337 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:01.759 I didn't get an email for an hour and a 338 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:05.319 half later. I was like, what the fuck? 339 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:09.799 That's got to go through all sorts of filters. 340 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:12.519 We might be able to get a David Shoemaker on 341 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:17.319 the show. That should be interesting. Psychologist, psychologist who was 342 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:20.680 he has his own I don't think it's his. I 343 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:23.720 think he's runs it a a lineage and he also 344 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:27.039 has a he's also he also has some books he's into, 345 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:29.440 like the Lima, but he's he's an. 346 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:33.079 Actively cut into that. He's an academic. 347 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:35.799 Yeah, he looks at it totally different than than some 348 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:37.079 people for sure. 349 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.240 Right, But the Astro mar Gentome is really interesting to me. 350 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:43.200 It'd be nice to have an insighter on We can 351 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:45.279 you know, go back and forth about it. You can 352 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.960 kind of pick up on the philosophies that these organizations 353 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:51.359 have through the way that they described the world. And 354 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:55.640 you know, that's a very valuable insight considering you know, 355 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.839 all of the interest nowadays, but hardly any time is 356 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:02.880 actually spent listening to the people as much as it is, 357 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:04.920 you know, demonizing their organizations. 358 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:08.799 Oh yeah, that was exactly. 359 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:11.279 War did or not? You still want to hear the people, 360 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:20.400 right exactly? Well yeah, I think. Oh. Also she's she's 361 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:24.480 talking about father Time as being saturn her Cronos again, right, 362 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:30.920 So Cronos was his partner was Raya, And Raya is 363 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:35.960 the most similar to Kiblik, I believe came from all 364 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.599 of those. Have you ever seen the Venus of Willendorf? 365 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:44.200 So the Venus of Willendorf is like one of the 366 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:49.720 oldest representations of a goddess. It's like forty thousand years old, right, 367 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:52.599 Like it's it's supposed to be a goddess, but the 368 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.680 head on it is like strange, it's not exactly ahead, 369 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:59.799 and it looks like what a pregnant woman would see 370 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:02.359 looking down at herself, right, So it looks like it's 371 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:05.519 carved by a pregnant woman who's looking down at herself. 372 00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:08.559 And this is like one of the oldest forms of 373 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:13.720 God as worship. And it's interesting that Raya is the 374 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:19.160 mother of all of the Olympians, right, So Pronos he 375 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:24.279 represents the last generation of Titans. Raya represents the new 376 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:28.079 generation of Olympians, right, she's giving birth to Zeus and 377 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:32.279 all the rest of these. Now, that goes back forty 378 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:38.880 thousand years according to the you know, secretism on it. 379 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:43.680 So the idea of the new gods being birth out 380 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:47.559 of this Kaivalier space, which is, you know, back to 381 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:51.799 the mother and the father father time mother space. That 382 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:55.759 really puts a different view on things. It almost goes 383 00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:58.160 back to the cognitive formation of what it is to 384 00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:02.119 be human, right. I think there's something really primal about that, 385 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:04.480 because you know, we do change the way we see 386 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:06.839 the world. That's one thing that you could say about history. 387 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.279 We change the way we see the world, right, And 388 00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:15.559 so to have that perspective back then, it tells you 389 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:18.400 something about the different level that they were on. They 390 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:21.279 were seeing the world in ways that we can't possibly imagine, 391 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:26.519 and we sort of take for granted all of the well, 392 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:28.920 I guess we would look at them as childlike symbols, 393 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:32.240 but these are symbols that survive for thousands and thousands 394 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:35.400 and thousands of years, right, like the Squatterman for instance. 395 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:40.839 Squatterman is a very interesting motif that spans five continents 396 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.400 for thousands and thousands of years and people think it's 397 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:47.720 just a stick figure. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's something 398 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:49.519 a little deeper than that. Maybe it's something that you 399 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:52.599 see when you blast off, because I believe back then 400 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.640 that was part of their rituals is blasting off outside 401 00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:56.440