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Speaker 1: And that's why I never read the comments. I just

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want to like, I'm not even going to look amazing tonight.

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I love what you're wearing. I'll always say, oh my god,

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you're all I have an angry closs. That is life.

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But that's hard, like unless it's like an NBA team or.

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Speaker 2: Something like.

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. Before I

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scworld dot Official. Okay, so I'm very excited about my

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guest today. It took me a while to track her down.

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She was in med school during COVID, stressed out in

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an organic chemistry lab and made a decision that a

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lot of people in this industry have made. She downloaded

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TikTok and started posting. What happened next was a few

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years of grinding across only fans and every other platform available,

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building an audience and making real money. However, she still

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recognized a fundamental problem creators bear the burden of all

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self promotion while the platforms profit. In April twenty twenty five,

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she launched Hidden, a creator owned platform, a forty person

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dev team, and plans to eventually acquire a bank, and

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all of this at the age of twenty seven. Please

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welcome Stella Berry to Holly Randall Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You're a really interesting Thank you. It's nice to hear that,

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right Sometimes, Like you forget how much you've achieved in

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your life and then you sit down and someone gives

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you this glowing injury. You're like, I'm pretty fucking awesome.

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, WHOA, that's terrifying. That's terrifying that that's

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what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, have you always been this ambitious and like

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ahead of the curve? I mean the fact that you

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were in med school, Like that's kind of where your

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story seems to start. I feel like it's kind of.

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Speaker 2: Telling I've I've always I wouldn't even describe myself as

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I definitely wouldn't describe myself as ahead of the curve

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or anything.

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Speaker 3: But I've always hyper fixated.

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Speaker 2: On things and with no understanding of if that is

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you know, of the times or anything. But I have

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always hyper fixated and changed things up a lot. So,

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like college, I did health policy and public health, and

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then right after college, I was like, well, I want

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to study medicine, so I know, like the other side

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of looking at health, which is from a more individual perspective.

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like no summer breaks, nothing, doing all my pre med

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do this anymore. I think when things start to not

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feel like a challenge, I like jumped to a new

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hyperfixation and I started posting on TikTok and I fell

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in love. I was already kind of in love with sex.

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and it's just been a part of my personality. And

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I was already going to sex parties and I was

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was so interested, but I never thought it was something

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I could do. And then when I got into it,

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my hyperfixation. And I think it's so telling that it

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stuck around this long because it's so rooted in who

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I am as a person, and it speaks to me

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on like such a humanist level that my interest is

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like it's never wavered.

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so interesting? Besides the fact that it's like built in

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all of us is like the number one piological.

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been really curious about it. It's it's a way that

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really am comfortable showing love in that way and I

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and feel the best expressing myself, Like when I do

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a scene. When I did my double anal scene, I

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was literally like, oh my god, I'm made for this,

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Speaker 2: How I feel when I am in sex work, like

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I just love it. I've also met people in this

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industry that are most like me than probably any other industry,

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and like so open minded in the ways that I'm

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open minded. And I also just think it's like a

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super key part of being a human that is super misunderstood.

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has yet to be overly corporatized, and it's almost like

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and movie industries, that if you a young independent artists,

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it's impossible to have any control over what direction your

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career is going or what games you have to play.

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innovated that there's a lot of room for change and

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like foundation and ground rules, and so I find that

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that one of my favorite things about working in the

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adult industry is the freedom, Yeah, and the you know,

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the ability to create without all the red tape of

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like corporations like.

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Speaker 2: That, which I want to keep it like that, while

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also providing like a lot more safeties that like wright,

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you know, performers or workers in any industry that have

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I want to make sure we also preserve and don't

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lose a lot of the best things about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So you spent five and a half years

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posting across every single platform every day. What is it

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actually like do to you as a person? Like did

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you find that your attention span? Because I was talking

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to all they do is like TikTok's right, they actually

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produced tiktoks for other people, and they're like, my attention

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span is terrible now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to start reading again because I love reading,

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swear I got dumber, Like I really got dumber. There

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were a lot of beautiful things that happened, like I

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felt so free, and especially in the beginning, I felt

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so I was terrified at first because I was posting

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on the Internet and people could see it, and I

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hope no one would find it. Then people started finding

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it and it started going viral, and then I was

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just intoxicated with like the high of that, and that

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was so fun, and I loved pushing people's buttons and

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literally say anything. I'd be like, I just got fucked

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in the ass, and it was it would go viral,

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which nowadays i'd be like deleted and immediately.

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I think it happens to everyone. I like watch people

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go through the cycle where they're really excited they're posting

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really unfiltered, and then you start to get certain pushback

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start to change your content based around what gets more likes,

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and that started to really fuck with my head. But

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to switch up the content I was doing constantly, which

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I think was actually really helpful for me. I never

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got to pigeonhole myself in a certain like niche or

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certain type of content and then overthink that and then

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freak out. I basically just got slowly pushed off the

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platform till the only thing I could share was like

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makeup routine videos, which isn't my passion. Like I like

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to either talk about sex or anal or like STD

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tests or bv or, and I can't do any of

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that anymore. So maybe getting censored and like kicked off

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was the best thing that could have happened to me.

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I had the short, beautiful run causing mayhem, and then

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Speaker 1: You've always loved reading about sexual philosophy and taboo, which

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is not a typical origin story for someone in this industry.

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How do you think that that intellectual interest shaped the

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kind of creator you became.

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Speaker 2: I think even me starting at twenty two, I think

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I was twenty two was so important because I knew myself.

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I knew my value system, like I knew what I

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wanted out of life in a sense, I did study

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philosophy a ton in college, and so having all of that,

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I think it helped me set my boundaries and also

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set my goals on what I wanted. Like I didn't

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go into the industry because I had a role model

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or someone I wanted to be, Like, it almost just

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kind of happened to me as a result of decisions

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was going crazy during COVID, and then realizing people would

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buy that from me, and then being like, let me

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try this out for a little bit, and then just

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like taking the next decision that felt best kind of

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and it led me to this place because it was

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also time where there was really no one with an

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OnlyFans on TikTok, Like it was such a new thing,

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and so I think it just helped me not follow

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a specific path or formula and kind of make it

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and I've studied patterns on the Internet forever, just because

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I'm a child of the Internet and I've always looked

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at it, and so I think I was I was

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just always guided by like I know that if I

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am authentic online, it will do the best.

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Speaker 3: I know that's what people want.

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Speaker 2: I know that authenticity and connection is like the cornerstone

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of good sex and like good sexual connection, even if

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it's through screens, and so that guided me for so

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long on like, this is what my purpose is, and

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this is what my purpose is to share, and I'm

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going to do it raw and unfiltered, and I'm going

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to share honest thoughts, even if they're really taboo or

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make people really mad. And I think having a guiding

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force and a philosophic goal is super important. And I

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would hope more creators like do come into the industry

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with that kind of interest or at least understanding like

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what they're getting into and like what they want out

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of it. That would be an amazing thing for our industry.

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Speaker 1: I think. I feel like, unfortunately, a lot of people

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are coming into the industry thinking that they're going to

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make a million dollars only fans.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I thought I was ruining. I did not think

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I was going to make money.

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Speaker 2: I was like having panic attacks for the first two months,

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being like, am I even just making tiktoks about Anal?

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Speaker 3: I was like, am I ruining my life.

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Speaker 1: Because you are? I mean, I know so many people

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think that you only get into the industry because you

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don't have options, right, which we know is not true.

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You clearly had options. I mean, you're going to medical school,

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you're well educated.

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Speaker 2: All options, you know, like we really do all have options.

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Speaker 1: But that must have occurred to you thinking like if

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I want to do something else with my life, like

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these other dreams that I've been chasing, I can know

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I've shut the door on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely was, like I definitely didn't get into

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it as a in some ways, I look back, and

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I don't have the classic story of just like I

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got into it because I had two hours pushed into

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it or I was forced into it. I just had

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a calling to it, Like I really was just drawn

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to it and I wanted to do it, and I

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have options because I just couldn't. I wasn't interested in

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anything else, Like I just did not give a fuck

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started to realize, like I think there will be a

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time where I can go back to medical school if

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I want to someday when I'm forty, you know, Like

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I really looked at sex as something even in college,

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like they talked about sex work and porn and sex

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a ton, and so I knew, at least in an

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academic sphere, like it wasn't looked down upon. My mom's

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a doctor, and I go to medical conferences with her

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a lot, specifically sexual medicine conferences, and they talk about

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porn very highly and like not all of this crazy

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negative like addiction and rhetoric that you see online. And

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so I always knew I'd be welcomed back into the

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academic world if I could, you know, communicate it in

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that kind of way. And so it almost felt like

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I was gaining field experience.

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Speaker 1: My god, that's so interesting. I love that. I mean,

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you seem to be somebody who's really driven by like

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what's in your heart and what feels right for you.

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Speaker 3: It can't work that hard if you don't have that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't seem like someone who can like sell

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their soul for money so they can buy a house

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with the white picket fence, and like the American dream.

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Speaker 3: I wish I was like sometimes, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean I feel like those people sit on their

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deathbed and wish that they had done all the things

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that they only dreamed about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I definitely don't wish I was. I

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just I do.

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Speaker 2: I do really applaud the people on the internet that

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just go the farthest because I got to a point,

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as I think every creator does, where you hit a

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boundary that you're not willing to cross. And I hit

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that point and I was like, fuck, now, I have

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to find another thing that and do with a hard

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thing right now, and I have to find something that

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makes me continue to feel passionate about it.

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Speaker 3: I have to.

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Speaker 2: Work really hard against almost what feels like insurmountable barriers

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in our industry right now. So, yeah, taking the hard

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road and working really hard is beautiful day to day,

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and I love it. But it would have been sick

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if I could have just kept pouring my values out

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for money. Would have been really cool if I just.

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Speaker 3: Let it all go.

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Speaker 2: But I just can't, and I don't think a lot

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of people can. And that's why we have such a

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cool industry.

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Speaker 1: Obviously.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some bad ones, but there's a lot of good.

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Speaker 1: There's always been in every industry. Yeah, so you were

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making serious money on OnlyFans. By any measure, you won

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the game, right So what made you look at that

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and decide that the game itself was broken? Like you

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said that you lost your passion, right, But what made

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you decide to redirect your passion to building a new platform.

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Speaker 2: So I've always I am so passionate about sex work,

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about filming porn, making porn. That's what I love to do,

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and I just got burnt out on having to constantly

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promote it. Like I didn't get to just talk about

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anal and post my sex tapes anymore. To promote it,

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I had to start being relevant on social media continually

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on a monthly basis, And that is so exhausting, Like

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that is just completely not doable. And it's also shouldn't

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be reality, Like there are billions of people that watch

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porn every day there, you know, It's the majority of

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Internet traffic is spent on porn. And so why am

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I having to use like two to three social media

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apps that actively ban me on a daily basis? Code

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you can code to find people who want to buy

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my content? And why do I have to be social

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media relevant? And why do I have to say like

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rage bait to get ten million views to maybe convert

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a thousand people to buy my content. It just doesn't

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seem right, like if we invested in algorithms ourselves, that weren't.

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Just the reason we use these main social media platforms

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is because they're the only ones building good algorithms. So

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if we just did that for ourselves, we wouldn't have

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to expose like so much of ourselves or do all

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these things that some people might all want to do

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just to make a living. Like it just seemed like

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it was getting harder and harder. Obviously, I started in

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the golden age of like OnlyFans and TikTok that like

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perfect time where they both syncd up and everyone was

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just making so much money with such little effort and

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like such little amount of fans, and so I know

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it's possible, but we just have to start building that.

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So I think that I just started realizing, like I

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was burning out, and I'm the most passionate person I

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know about this, and so I was like, if I'm

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burning out, I know other people are. And then also

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so many small creators I know, like they would start

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to message me asking, you know, what to do to

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promote themselves or to market themselves, or how things are

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getting harder, and I didn't have ways to help them anymore,

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like TikTok wasn't working as well, and then change yeah,

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And then to give the advice of like just say

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whatever you can to get views at this point and

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is not a great feeling. And so I knew something

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was fundamentally broken, because how do we control the majority

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of traffic on the internet and social media platforms and

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we drive the majority of it, and yet we have

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no idea how to make money, Like it should not

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be that hard for us, and we shouldn't have to

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be social media relevant to make money doing adult content,

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Like you can make really good money having a thousand

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paying fans as a small creator for the rest of

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your life. Also, old porn sells the same as new

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porn statistically, as long as it's new to the person

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seeing it. And so why do we not have mechanisms

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to make use of like anything passive at all? Like

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this job is so manual, having to spend your day

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promoting on all these platforms that ban you constantly and

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I've just been banned so many times that it got

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really old. And then having to figure out constantly how

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to manage the back end at the same time, all

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by yourself. Like it's truly an impossible task, and we

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don't even have time then to start thinking about how

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to build it ourselves and build it better for everybody

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that comes in the future too, Like for future girls

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like me in ten twenty fifty years, what industry are

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they going to be left with and like what tools

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are they going to be given?

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Speaker 3: And I would hope that we could build some for them.

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Speaker 2: So it's not just like the Miami scammer demons that

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turn this industry into something that immediately gets banned.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a huge like influx of bands on

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Instagram recently.

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Speaker 3: Matt the censorship.

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Speaker 2: I've known this is coming for so long because I've

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seen it, Like it's just I firsthand was like at

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the boundary of what was getting banned constantly, and so

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I've just watched it slowly like chip away at the

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things I'm allowed to do, and now I'm just completely

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I'm like, right now all my backup pages are banned,

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my main pages, band, Hidden's pages banned, Hidden's backup pages banned,

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and not even for it's not even for sexual solicitation

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or anything. It says for like in authentic behavior. So

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there's just no reason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just like, we'll just pick this one. I mean,

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so do you even feel like you're going to build

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another Instagram or at this point you're just like why

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am I doing this?

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Speaker 2: We have like a little Instagram I made just for

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our last event we did, because we do like little

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creator focused events every month, just to like get any

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info out for people or like have them be able

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to find a link, because I know everybody uses Instagram

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to find information these days. But it does feel kind

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of pointless. We built such a cool community on Instagram though,

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so I think we'll get our Instagram back eventually, but

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it's just a waiting game and it's not something I should.

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I just got to put that energy into other platforms

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and other places.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about how Hidden actually was born. I believe

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a former high school friend came to you with the idea.

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Is that true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So one of my high school friends, like one

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of my best friends, reached out and was like, hey,

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I want to start a porn platform. Didn't know anything

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about it, nothing, just knew I was doing this. They

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liked my career and like what I stood for, and

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they know me well, they trust me. I mean, they

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saw me through high school, they saw me through college,

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they saw me through pre med.

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Speaker 3: They saw me go into this, and so we had

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that trust.

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Speaker 2: And I was obviously terrified in the beginning because I

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was like, yeah, we could do this, like I've been

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collecting data for years on what's wrong, Like I know

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what I would want.

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Speaker 3: But also it seems like a massive task until you

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break it down, it's really not. It's just slow. It

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took us years. I think. I think he reached out

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to me.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two and we only launched April twenty

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twenty five. So it was building a monster and he

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knew from the start because he also knows me. But

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we talked about it that this is something I would

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never do unless it's exactly how I want it. I

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run it completely how I think it's supposed to be done,

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and it's not something we just like build up and sell.

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It's something I keep forever. It's like an offering to

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the community, and it's that's also what's missing in our industry,

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like there's just a ton of scam me sites and

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there's not something that actually cares about us. And he

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cared about it as well, and so it's just been

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like the absolute best partnership ever. I think they say,

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like most founders break up within like a couple years,

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and we're going on four almost five, and we have

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not had one issue like the trust thank god. I

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think it was just an it was an opportunity I

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couldn't pass up because I have all to say and

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I get to do whatever I want, and I have

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a really trustworthy backer that helps me build everything and

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build my teams out and is really smart with business.

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So it's been amazing, but it was definitely daunting, and

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it's definitely taken a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've been We never got anywhere, but I've

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been there.

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Speaker 2: It's not like we we built our whole site in

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the beginning. We didn't know anything about building platforms. We

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just you know, reached out to people who did and

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started to learn and started to build. And we had

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to rebuild our entire platform because we did it first

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with custom code, and then we were like, oh my god,

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this is impossible to like bring new people on and

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teaching how to do it, and so then we had

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to rebuild so much and we're updating every week. At

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this point, I wanted to launch with live streaming, which

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even now is like probably eight months away at least,

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because we built a monster. Like you're building a search engine,

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you're building a store front, you're building like an algorithm,

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you're building.

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Speaker 3: A chat room and messaging. It's just so much. You're

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building a payment processor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what made you come up with the idea of

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the name?

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Speaker 2: I went back and forth on a lot of names,

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and then I remember none of them were good. And

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then I remember one of my friends brought up how

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they have a hidden folder on their phone, like on

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the iPhone that they keep their nudes in, and they

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weren't in sex work, and I was like, wow, everybody

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has that, like especially yeah, like.

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Speaker 1: I remember to like add pictures to it before I

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go somewhere where someone might like look at my phone

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for any reason.

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of like what only fans, at least

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to me, was, and like selling content on the internet was,

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or at least the best form of it. It's like

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you're accessing a person's hidden folder. Maybe it's the girl

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down the street, maybe it's like the girl in your

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college class, or just like you know, the porn star

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from town that you're like obsessed with. You're getting a

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view into their like most intimate hidden folder basically like

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them seeing their sex tapes with their boyfriends or their

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nudes or whatever. And that's always what OnlyFans was to me.

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So I just stuck really well. And then it was

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also a domain I was able to buy, which was

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sick because to get Hidden dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I was like, yes, yes, it has to be that.

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Speaker 3: It just felt right.

483
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,799
Speaker 1: Everything fell into place. Yeah, so you have a TikTok

484
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,359
style discovery feed. It's a deliberate design choice. Yeah, what

485
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,000
problem does that solve for creators that other platforms didn't

486
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,359
maybe have?

487
00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 3: That was my number one thing.

488
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 2: I mean, there's been multiple things I want to do

489
00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:12,039
and have done with Hidden to make one promo more

490
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,240
passive and then sales more passive, because it's just everybody

491
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,880
is burning out. Absolutely, everyone is burning out. And then

492
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,920
when you burn out, you hire teams that absolutely destroy

493
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,400
most of them. Some teams are good, but most of

494
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,400
them absolutely destroy any semblance of like authenticity and a

495
00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:33,759
fan loyalty and everything. So to combat a lot of

496
00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:37,480
the burnout and like allow creators to continue to keep

497
00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:40,200
some level of like connection to their job and non

498
00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:45,319
alienation from their job and authenticity getting passive promo is

499
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,400
a huge one. So I was always like, okay, if

500
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,880
we had only fans, what only fans had a for

501
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,759
you page, Like that would be really sick because I

502
00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:54,720
wouldn't be censored there, I could promote there, and I

503
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,240
wouldn't have to always rely on Instagram or TikTok, especially

504
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,720
when I'm getting banned, Like it would be nice to

505
00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:02,000
build a platform somewhere that I don't have to worry

506
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,160
is gonna disappear.

507
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that obviously was like a number one thing.

508
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 2: And then there were other features too that I wanted

509
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,200
to add even with like passive sales, there's a store.

510
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,559
So I took that idea even from just like there's

511
00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:15,640
so many different storefronts on the Internet, like clips for

512
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,200
sale or many VIDs, and I know those work really well,

513
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,519
but they're one off sites on their own or theirre

514
00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:25,240
sites that don't work super well and are super convoluted.

515
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,200
And so imagine if you just had a store on

516
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:29,160
your only fans page, where instead of having to send

517
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,440
out a menu of all the two hundred videos you have,

518
00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:35,079
you have at least top selling ones or all of

519
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,039
them categorized in a storefront. So if a fan wants

520
00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:39,720
to buy eighty videos in the middle of the night,

521
00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:41,759
he can do that instead of having to wait for

522
00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:43,160
you to wake up in the messages and then you

523
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,920
have to send all eighty of them yourself. So it's

524
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:49,279
just like trying to take the load off creators a

525
00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:49,680
little bit.

526
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, I just yeah, I don't even know what

527
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:56,480
to say because all of this just gits so hard.

528
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

529
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: Hidden takes an eighteen percent commission and versus only fans

530
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,119
twenty percent, offers chargeback protection and gives each creator a

531
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,319
dedicated liaison. So tell us a little bit about each

532
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,319
of these things, because chargeback protection can be difficult to enforce,

533
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:13,920
am I right?

534
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:23,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically every feature, every part of like our terms.

535
00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:26,480
I have tried to make so pro sex worker and

536
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:29,079
so pro creator, and so I just thought of that

537
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,880
as the bare minimum chargebacks not ever being covered on

538
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,240
OnlyFans and making ten k and then having it, you know,

539
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,319
negative ten k the next month is so crazy to me,

540
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:45,640
especially when usually those chargebacks are people have bought your video,

541
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,960
they say they don't like it anymore, and they get

542
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,960
their money back, when it's like, that's not the point.

543
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,960
You just bought my nudes you just saw me naked,

544
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:58,160
And so we can't with chargeback protection, we can't control

545
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,519
completely whether are the like the person actually gets the

546
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:03,079
charge back.

547
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,559
Speaker 3: But what we can do is cover.

548
00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:08,279
Speaker 1: Okay charge because our credit card companies always side with

549
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:08,799
the user.

550
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, Like we did build in a lot

551
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,119
of checks, right to make sure that we can confirm that, like,

552
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,000
this person did make this charge and we can fight

553
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:19,319
back on every single one, and we do. But but

554
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,720
then on the other side too, we also protect users

555
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,720
from getting scammed. So we do human verify every single

556
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,480
chargeback request to see how valid it is. Did the

557
00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:32,960
person get scammed, did they not, and then decide from there,

558
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,400
and then we do. Yeah, we cover chargebacks a certain

559
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,119
amount every month.

560
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,039
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, so for creators who might be trying

561
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:44,880
to scam their fans, and you know, these people always exist. Yeah,

562
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,759
if there's a certain like do you have, like a

563
00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:52,720
certain ratio of chargebacks or complaints that like wouldn't prompt

564
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:54,400
you to kick them off the platform.

565
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure we do, but we've not even gotten to

566
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,519
that point. I think it's really luckily with Hidden right now,

567
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,319
our creator community is amazing and we're filled with just

568
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,599
like authentic girls who run their own accounts and really

569
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,000
care about what they're doing, which was my whole idea

570
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:10,720
of the hidden girl, Like, I know, there's so many

571
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:13,160
girls like me and like that, and so we haven't

572
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,480
had any issues with that at all, but of course,

573
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,359
on OnlyFans, like, one of the main issues and even

574
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,079
why so many of my fans have converted over to

575
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,039
hidden so much faster and stronger than I even thought

576
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:27,240
they would, is because only fans are so associated with

577
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:29,680
scamming now, So if you are really trying to run

578
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:34,440
like a super loyal like or a career or a

579
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:38,680
brand that has like really values your fan loyalty, OnlyFans

580
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:42,000
is not always the most trustworthy place to do that

581
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,640
because people so associate the messaging with scamming. Like there's

582
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,440
just so many people in there saying, hey, buy this

583
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:50,440
video for this, and it's not that, And I do

584
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:53,319
want users, especially users that spend a lot, to feel

585
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,839
protected from that as well.

586
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:58,519
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, yeah, I know that makes sense. Yeah, So

587
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,480
you've talked to about wanting to build your own payment infrastructure,

588
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,960
potentially acquiring a bank. I don't know if people out

589
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,359
there realize how ambitious that is. So how chievable does

590
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:11,880
that feel for you?

591
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,799
Speaker 3: Weirdly achievable?

592
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: I might be delusional, but I do think even if

593
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,480
it's not me, but I'm going to do I would

594
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,039
love to do my own, but I think someone has

595
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,359
to do it, Like I think it's gonna happen regardless.

596
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:27,240
I think with the amount of money that's in our

597
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:30,240
industry right now, a lot of people in the next

598
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,839
ten twenty years are going to be focusing on making

599
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,480
payment processors for our industry because it's just an untapped need.

600
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,000
Like even with Hidden we take eighteen percent, because I

601
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:42,440
was like, we have to take less than twenty.

602
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: It's just a stance that we have to take.

603
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: But obviously our payment processing rates are so much higher

604
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,240
for us on our end than even only fans because

605
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,240
we have lower amounts of traffic, and we also have

606
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,839
gone in from the start as we are a horn site.

607
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,839
We allow kink content, we allow niche content. This is

608
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,720
what we're going to allow. We're going to push the

609
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:04,519
boundaries as far as you guys let us. So our

610
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,960
rates are obviously much higher and I'm not about to, like,

611
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:09,160
you know, kick Furries off my platform so that I

612
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,440
can get that down a percent, and so.

613
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: It would be amazing if and this is just where

614
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,000
my thinking goes.

615
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: It's like, I have to figure out some type of

616
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,440
financial situation for us one because I've even been banned

617
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,759
from two banks randomly.

618
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:25,559
Speaker 3: They just figured out that.

619
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: I was getting paid from OnlyFans and said I, like,

620
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,359
don't comply with their terms. But then on a platform level,

621
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,240
think about how much less our platforms could take if

622
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,240
we weren't taking a thirteen percent payment processing charge on

623
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:39,440
our end and then having to make money and pay

624
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:43,960
for hosting fees and moderators and developers and everything with

625
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:47,960
that tiny little you know, five percent. So if we

626
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:50,759
could get a payment processor, if we could own our

627
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:52,880
own bank and then have a payment processor that specifically

628
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,839
focuses on sex work sites or like not safe for

629
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,880
work content, this is a dream. But imagine the payment

630
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,039
processing rate was three five percent, our sites could be

631
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:05,519
taking five or six, like it would just think much

632
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:06,240
better for everyone.

633
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: That's so key what you just said, because a lot

634
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,960
of people don't realize this, And like from someone who's

635
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,559
been in the industry a long time, ran their own website, right,

636
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:18,519
just Holly Randall dot com and then you know, worked

637
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,200
on building one myself. Like a lot of people don't

638
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,519
realize how high the payment it's fees are and so

639
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:26,759
they were like, oh, only fans takes twenty percent, and

640
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:29,519
I'm like that's not that bad. Yeah, Like you have

641
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,319
no idea how expensive it is to around these.

642
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,759
Speaker 2: It's really expensive. Hosting is extremely expensive with all that

643
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,920
content that's on the platform, having to have that much

644
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,599
cloud space.

645
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:41,559
Speaker 1: Question for you actually in regards to hosting, because you

646
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:43,599
said that you were going to do live streaming, Yeah,

647
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,240
are you going to allow the live streams to like

648
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,599
remain on the site after they It's my dream because

649
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,880
that is also going to add so much more content

650
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,839
and up your hosting fees dramatically.

651
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. So hopefully our creators get to earning a lot,

652
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,319
you know, so then that we can pay for we

653
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,960
can pay for all that hosting that's gonna be. It's

654
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,000
gonna be massive. But I'm there are certain things and

655
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,000
I think it's important to have a founder that gives

656
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:11,839
a fuck, which is why I know Hidden is so

657
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,160
different and has been able to stand out so fast,

658
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,799
because there are just certain hills that I will die on.

659
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:19,240
I'm like, well, no, we have to do live streaming

660
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,519
and you have to be able to sell it after.

661
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:22,359
So we're going to figure out how to make that happen.

662
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,319
But I do think even with payment processing rates, like

663
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,640
once we launch live streaming and we take eighteen percent

664
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:31,480
and live stream sites take forty to sixty percent, that

665
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:34,079
will be such a game changer for so many camgirls

666
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,000
that like work themselves to the bone and then to

667
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,079
have sixty percent of their income taken is so.

668
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:39,839
Speaker 3: Crazy to me.

669
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,359
Speaker 2: But it's also a massive thing to build. It is

670
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,480
a monstrosity to build live streaming where you can do

671
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:49,039
a live stream for you page like TikTok, then do

672
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,720
private rooms as well, then do video calls or like

673
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:54,240
one on one live streams, and then be able to

674
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:55,039
post them after.

675
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: And be able to moderate because if it's live and

676
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,839
something happens, you have to catch like in the moment.

677
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't even have comments on hidden right now.

678
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,680
We actually built them in initially and then right before

679
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,799
launch I was like take those off because one, if

680
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:09,079
you want to talk to the girl or you want

681
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,359
her to notice, you pay and message her, yeah, subscribe

682
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:13,799
to her so you can tell her tell it to

683
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:18,000
her U directly. But also the moderation of comments is

684
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,119
super hard. So yeah, moderation is massive.

685
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:29,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. So Okay, you built the platform, right, and

686
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,039
you've got all this the tech, they get to market it,

687
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,960
and you're getting banned on social media right and that's

688
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,880
like usually the one avenue that we all use to

689
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,480
market the things that we're doing, because that's just how

690
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,880
we have to reach people. Well, yeah, so like, how

691
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,079
are you managing marketing?

692
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,799
Speaker 2: Well it was lovely until two months ago in our Instagram,

693
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,960
or like a month and a half ago and our

694
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,880
Instagram got banned. But even from the beginning, like we've

695
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,480
done zero paid market So from the start, I was like,

696
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,920
we are gonna build this exactly how I've built my career,

697
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,440
which is like grassroots and organic and just posting online

698
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,960
about it and like having creators if they fuck with it,

699
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,160
link to it and that will bring traffic. And so

700
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:18,640
that is the cool thing about Hidden so far is

701
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,160
like we don't really need an Instagram or anything. I

702
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,359
didn't even have a hidden Instagram or like any social

703
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,519
media pages in the beginning because I was like, who

704
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:28,559
wants to see a corporate Instagram?

705
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:29,559
Speaker 3: Like, no one wants that.

706
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,839
Speaker 2: Then of course I made it feel like my Pinterest

707
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,160
and I liked it a lot, and I think a

708
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,519
lot of people fucked with it. But I think the

709
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,039
number one best way to market and the best conversion

710
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:43,599
rates are exactly what we already do, which is like

711
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,200
we link to our pages and fans go where we

712
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,680
want them to go and where we tell them to go.

713
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,039
And luckily I really focused in the beginning on educating

714
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,440
creators in the space that I knew were passionate about

715
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,599
the industry, that were non competitive, that cared about it.

716
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:03,240
I educated them on hidden and like what I care

717
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:05,759
about and what it could do and its potential, and

718
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,760
they have kind of just created this amazing, super passionate

719
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,239
community that cares about linking to it and trying to

720
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,840
help build it up because it stands for us actually

721
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,239
taking back some control of our future and like what

722
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,000
this industry looks like for us even when we're eighty five,

723
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,360
ninety and then all the girls come after us. So

724
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,679
I think that that has been like my number one focus.

725
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,880
I'll probably have to start expanding now, especially because we

726
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:36,239
don't have Instagram anymore, that I'll probably have to do

727
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,000
other things, but right now I've really just focused on

728
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,639
building a grassroots core, foundational community.

729
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's also been like one of

730
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,840
the driving points of interest of the site is that

731
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,079
it's like founded by sex workers for sex workers, because

732
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,719
so many platforms are run by corporations.

733
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,599
Speaker 2: Yes, they're actually I will say everyone I've ever met,

734
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,239
and I'm not going to shit on them because I'm

735
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,239
glad we have other platus. Like I still have my

736
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,760
only Fans I didn't delete it. We all have eight

737
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,400
different platforms. I'm not trying to like replace any of them.

738
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,559
I'm trying to be an auxiliary one that you can use.

739
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:13,840
But every platform owner or person running one that I've met,

740
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,000
I have gotten the worst advice I have.

741
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:18,119
Speaker 3: I mean, I've.

742
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,599
Speaker 2: Obviously learned things here and there too and like what

743
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,159
to do and what not to do and what works,

744
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,480
but overall they all are completely blind. They have no

745
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,360
clue what's going on. They don't understand sex work and

746
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,559
how fans work at all. Like one of the major platforms,

747
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,559
one of the owners said to me, why would someone

748
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:37,760
buy porn after they've already seen the girl naked? Like

749
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,599
you need to make the for you page safe for work?

750
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:42,360
And I was like, wow, you fundamentally just don't understand

751
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,199
anything about how this industry works at all, or like

752
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:49,039
what this new era of creators is, and that fans

753
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:53,840
are buying into a person and a personality and they're

754
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,599
not buying videos just I mean, there is one aspect

755
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:58,199
where they're buying video to see the girl naked for

756
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,679
the first time. But if you're keeping a fan for

757
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,360
a lifetime, which many do stay for a lifetime if

758
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,480
you take care of them, it is not about seeing

759
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,039
naked for the first time. So that I've just gotten

760
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:09,760
so much horrible advice and I'd had to feel like

761
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,440
a crazy person pushing back, but I've come to realize

762
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,239
that we really are the only platform, at least that

763
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,840
I am aware of, that is truly like creator centric.

764
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,920
So I all of the marketing, all of the features,

765
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:26,199
all the designs are so focused around what the creator

766
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,800
needs and what the creator wants and not around the user,

767
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,239
whereas most platforms are really just built to optimize for

768
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,719
the user, and then they do advertisements to bring more

769
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,920
users and they don't really build out what the creator

770
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:42,679
experience is or like how that would benefit the creator.

771
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:46,159
And I think it's so important because the creator is

772
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:48,480
the whole person driving all the traffic to the site,

773
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:51,800
like fans will use whatever the creator says to Yes.

774
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of sex workers as a part of the

775
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:02,719
foundation for Hidden, brought in Lana Rhodes as a co owner, right,

776
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,599
and it did raise some eyebrows since there are people

777
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,400
in the industry who consider her anti sex work. Was

778
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,960
that a concern? Why did you pick her specifically? And

779
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:13,280
do you think that people just have the wrong impression.

780
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: Of her, Yeah, they definitely do.

781
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,079
Speaker 2: I brought an Ari Kitsia also as co owner, so

782
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,599
it's kind of like us three together working on this,

783
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,159
and I think that we're actually such a great representation

784
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,719
of different types of creators in our industry. There definitely

785
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,480
are a lot of false headlines about Lana, and I

786
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:36,639
will just say like from working with her personally, she

787
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,639
has an experience that I definitely don't have and didn't

788
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:42,800
have in the industry. She started before me. She's had

789
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,559
like a myriad of different experiences, good and bad, and

790
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:53,480
she is definitely she cares about giving back to sex work,

791
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:55,440
like that was the main thing when we started meeting

792
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:58,840
up and then talking about Hidden. She cares about sex workers.

793
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,280
She cares about sex It's always going to be something

794
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,920
that is a part of her and that she'll have

795
00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:06,000
like thoughts on and I think she I just think

796
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:09,679
she represents a certain type of sex worker really well.

797
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,559
Like not everybody got into the industry because you know,

798
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:17,639
they're super passionate about it, or because sex work is

799
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,920
like a part of their soul. They either got into

800
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,400
it for survival or to make money, or because they

801
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,599
were eighteen and didn't understand anything else. And they can

802
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,800
still like try and help other girls that are like

803
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,840
them too. So I just think it's a super cool

804
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,039
opportunity for her to basically she has a massive platform

805
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,800
that's built on a ton of men that have watched

806
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,159
her porn, right, and so for her to be able

807
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:42,480
to give back to all of the creators that will

808
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:46,079
be here after she's in the industry and all the

809
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:49,039
smaller creators to give some of that traffic one to

810
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:53,280
like a platform that cares about us, but then also

811
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:57,079
just giving that traffic to creators, and like like basically

812
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,440
spreading those followers that she has onto new people is

813
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:03,960
a beautiful thing that she can do for sex work.

814
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:06,079
So I just thought of it as a really cool

815
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:08,880
opportunity for her, and she saw the same thing. And

816
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:12,280
she also is like one of the craziest idea people

817
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,320
I've ever.

818
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: Met, like she.

819
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if you followed her career very much,

820
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,400
but she has gone through so many different phases, Like

821
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,199
she is not scared to reinvent herself at all. She's

822
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,639
not scared to like switch things up and try something new.

823
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,800
And every time she does that, whether it was her

824
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,480
poorn era, then her like Instagram era, or her YouTube era,

825
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,119
she maxes it out and then moves on to the

826
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:34,440
next thing. So I always knew she was really powerful

827
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,360
if she's like passionate about something. And it's been so

828
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,320
cool to see her be passionate about hidden and I

829
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,960
think it's like a necessary part of her legacy to

830
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:47,320
give back. So we watched her grow up basically through

831
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,559
the Internet and through really hard things that she went through.

832
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,119
Speaker 3: So I just like, I can't be I have no

833
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,480
desire to be hard on her at all.

834
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: She's like a ba in an icon for so many

835
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,440
of us, Like she she experienced a lot of things

836
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,840
before a lot of us did so, at least for

837
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,280
me personally, and like girls in my generation, So I

838
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,519
think we need to be accepting of like her going

839
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:18,840
through every every era, and then Ari on the other

840
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,119
hand too, is like a brand new type of creator,

841
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:25,519
Like they've existed in completely different generations of online sex

842
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:29,840
work or sex work in general. So I think having

843
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,079
both their perspectives has been the coolest thing ever.

844
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, they are very different

845
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,280
creators coming from very different backgrounds. And I know Ari's

846
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,039
been doing a lot of like speaking at universities, which

847
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:42,719
is made people very angry, I know.

848
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you guys don't realize, like if you

849
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,239
went to college, we talk about porn and sex and

850
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,800
sexuality all the time, like it is. That's why what

851
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,159
I was saying is like I felt so accepted in academia,

852
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,519
and I knew that my philosophy professors would be proud

853
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:58,199
of me when I went into sex work, which people

854
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,519
be like, that's so crazy, But if you've ever been

855
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:02,599
in a philosophy class in college that's not taught by

856
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,000
like someone that's really right wing, and you would understand.

857
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:09,679
Speaker 1: I mean essentially, like colleges are like the birthplace of resolution.

858
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,519
Speaker 3: Right, yes, and people are very open minded.

859
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. I got an opportunity to speak at UCSB

860
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,760
a few weeks ago, and you know, it was really

861
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,719
amazing to like, you know, talk to all the students

862
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,480
about the adult industry, about my experience. And there was

863
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:26,320
one guy who was actually in the class, and it

864
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,719
was a film class focusing specifically on pornography, and he

865
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,280
wanted to be a director, and he came from a

866
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,920
very conservative family, like in the Middle East, and you know,

867
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:39,320
he talked about how his first experience with porn was

868
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,599
not good, right, because he grew up like it was banned, right,

869
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,719
he could never watch it, and then he watched it

870
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,639
and got kind of like addicted to it, and it

871
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,239
became you know, unhealthy for him, so then he stopped.

872
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,559
But then he thought, maybe this is an industry that

873
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:56,400
I need to look at from like a different angle, right,

874
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,280
and to understand so that I can see women as

875
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,480
you know, creators, right, not just like objects of these

876
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,599
these videos the male gaze that I'm seeing. And so

877
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,000
he took this class specifically for that, and it like

878
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:14,719
shifted his perspective on everything, and it was actually so cool.

879
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,360
It was really cool. And it was actually really funny

880
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,360
because I brought my mom to watch the interview, and

881
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:24,119
you know, she's like been in the industry forever and

882
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,559
they like really bonded afterwards, and he like loved my

883
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:29,440
mom and it was just like it was this eighty

884
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:32,719
year old like pornographer and this like young guy like

885
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,199
you know, who grew up in this shardly conservative family.

886
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 2: And that is the point of educational institutions that I

887
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,360
think people forget. It's like to hit on truth, this

888
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:46,639
in humanity, and so any good school is going to

889
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,639
be leading things that get you closer to like empathy

890
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:53,880
and understanding of like basic human truths, and it's not

891
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:56,840
about shying away from all of those. So yeah, it's

892
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,719
completely understandable that she is speaking at.

893
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love that too, Like I love like

894
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:08,559
the more exposure people get to like actual sex workers

895
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:10,320
and like who they are as human beings, I think

896
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,599
is like so incredibly important.

897
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always just like talking. There is no harm

898
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:16,400
in talking about your experience. Even when I was sharing

899
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:19,639
my insane, horny thoughts on the internet, It's like, if

900
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:22,079
I'm having these thoughts, other people are having these thoughts,

901
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:25,719
and it's so much better to combat like shame and

902
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:28,800
holding things in to just talk about them, because it

903
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,960
a lot of us have a lot in common. I

904
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:33,079
would assume ninety nine percent of the thoughts we have

905
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:35,480
everybody else has had or it's having to.

906
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I really admired. This is sort

907
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,320
of little off topic, but not really a bit of

908
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,639
a tangent. Did you watch a Charlie Sheen documentary? Yes, Okay,

909
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,440
So when he talked at the end about all the

910
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:49,599
crazy shit that he did when he was on drugs,

911
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,840
when he talked about like having sex with other men

912
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,559
and all this kind of stuff, and this was something

913
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,079
that I feel like we as a society were holding

914
00:43:56,159 --> 00:44:00,679
over him for so long, like you're crazy drug addict,

915
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,760
How could you do these shameful things? You must be

916
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,800
so ashamed? And he just came right out and was like,

917
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,599
I did this crazy shit. I'm not ashamed of it,

918
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,440
and I've like moved on in my life. And then

919
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:13,840
like it was at that moment that I realized when

920
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,960
you finally like face your demons and you come clean

921
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,039
about that kind of stuff, it loses its power over.

922
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: It, exactly.

923
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,039
Speaker 1: And everybody who sees that also like, oh, I can't

924
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:27,800
shame you with that anymore, because like you you've come

925
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,760
out and you've it's the secrets that keep us prisoners.

926
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:33,639
Speaker 2: Rightly keep we imprison ourselves. And I'll always say, like

927
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,880
I felt so free and I wasn't even It's not

928
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,039
that I was even repressing anything, but when I just

929
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:43,360
started openly sharing, there's some level of freedom that comes

930
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,119
with that, where it's like I have accepted who I

931
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,679
am and what I do and what other people think

932
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,400
about that does not matter at all. I think that's

933
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,280
an experience every human should have, Like it is so

934
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:57,440
beautiful to remember why you're here on the planet, like

935
00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,440
what you want to do with your life, who you are,

936
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,880
and that shame is really just something meant to control people,

937
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,000
and it destroys people. It fully destroys people. And the

938
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,639
coolest people are the ones that have basically I know

939
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,400
earlier we were talking about like when you hit those

940
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,159
crisis points and they say like, out of crisis comes change.

941
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:16,800
People that have hit crisis points, whether it was unintentional

942
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,320
through drugs and hitting rock bottom that way, or just

943
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,079
you know, being unhappy with your life and wanting to

944
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,880
change something or trying something new, or me feeling like

945
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,719
I'm burning down everything I built just to start doing

946
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,159
porn or to even like, you know, stop doing my

947
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:32,880
only fans when it was making the most money and

948
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:35,639
try to move to a platform that no one ever

949
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,360
heard of before and build it up from zero going

950
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,480
through those experiences, and like that kind of change makes

951
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:46,440
really cool people, Like that is where character is built,

952
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,199
That is where you find who you are.

953
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,079
Speaker 3: Those are just the coolest people.

954
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you launched hidden at Yeah, there's a time,

955
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,440
at a moment when the regulatory environment around adult content

956
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:05,320
is genuinely hostile age verification laws, platform restrictions, payment processes

957
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,840
or problems. Does that fill you with like an intense

958
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:13,880
sense of fear or like determination to push through it?

959
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,840
I is?

960
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: It has solved my feeling of fear that I had

961
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,920
that our industry is just going down the wrong path.

962
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:25,079
Like I just saw us getting banned in ten years,

963
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:29,039
probably completely. I saw like agencies that are run by

964
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:31,440
people who have no connection or love of this industry

965
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:36,039
just running it into the ground, creators getting like burnt

966
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:41,519
out and alienated from why this industry even matters. And

967
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:44,920
that filled me with dread and fear. That was horrible.

968
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,440
I was like, what the fuck am I gonna do

969
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,360
in my life if this is gone? Like this is

970
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,679
what I care about? This is what I think is

971
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,199
beautiful in the world. And so even though I don't

972
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,119
know why I decided to have a hard life and

973
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,599
not just cash out while I could, having hope is

974
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:03,840
a super important thing.

975
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,199
Speaker 3: People need to have hope.

976
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 2: I need to have hope, and so I think that

977
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,599
hope keeps me going because everything is solvable, like everything.

978
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,199
I probably not everything, but I'm going to live with

979
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,840
that delusion and at least spend my life and my

980
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:22,599
energy focused on things that give me hope and make

981
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:24,920
things better for me and the people I care about,

982
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:28,719
because I really don't know any alternative to that.

983
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:31,199
Speaker 1: I mean, I have to say. You know, like I've

984
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,199
been in the industry for over twenty seven years, and

985
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,960
I grew up around it. You know, my parents, you know,

986
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:41,360
we're started working in porn in the seventies. And I've

987
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,199
seen all the cycles of the government coming down and

988
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,639
trying to cress you know, the Mease Commission and all

989
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:51,400
of these things, and it takes people with your kind

990
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,480
of thinking and your kind of drive to get us

991
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:57,599
through those hard moments, because like people have been trying

992
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:00,280
to shut down porn forever forever, and if they're weren't

993
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,760
people out there that maybe weren't like hopeful to almost

994
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,360
what feels like the point of delution exactly, Like we

995
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,360
wouldn't get there right, like we would have just let

996
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,400
the government like overrun us. We would have just let

997
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,519
like the industry collapse and be or worse, be pushed

998
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:21,960
underground where it's an unregulated, totally unsafe you know, like

999
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:25,000
when sex trafficking actually becomes like a real thing.

1000
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:25,679
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1001
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: So I think that, you know, it's really important that

1002
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,800
there are people out there like you that are like,

1003
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:32,920
and I'm like, we will fix this. I don't know

1004
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,320
I have, but we're gonna fucking drive.

1005
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we're gonna try.

1006
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,639
Speaker 2: And I also think we're at such a new point

1007
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,079
in time, and I'm the the child of that, the

1008
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:45,440
product of that basically where we are I gott in

1009
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,400
this industry when it's like girls are getting really freaking wealthy,

1010
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,880
and right now it's a ton of independently wealthy women

1011
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,679
getting wealthier and more independent every year, and so we

1012
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,880
have this like once in a lifetime opportunity where we're

1013
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,159
making all this money and we have all this individual power.

1014
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:04,199
And at the same time, like I was saying, the

1015
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,800
industry isn't overly corporatized yet, and so we have an

1016
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,239
opportunity to come together, build community and then build actual

1017
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,760
foundational building blocks own a lot of our own industry. Like,

1018
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,039
we have so much opportunity, and it would suck to

1019
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,440
pass that up, and it would suck to have missed

1020
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,159
this opportunity and just let shitty scammy people that don't

1021
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,360
understand our industry hop in. I think people who care

1022
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,679
about the industry and who are actually capable are rarer

1023
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,320
than people think, like, it's not I haven't met any

1024
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,360
other ones yet other than the people working for me

1025
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,199
that are actually like down to work on a platform

1026
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,920
and work all day every day on it.

1027
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: I think also people get into the adult industry because

1028
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,519
I think it's easy, yeah, and then if they find

1029
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:47,960
out it's not easy, they're.

1030
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,119
Speaker 2: Like and even down to the fact, like we just

1031
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,639
with how many people are in our industry right now.

1032
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,519
And then also like mainstream has kind of had its

1033
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:58,920
own community because they've had to be in physical places together,

1034
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:02,159
Like we're in this era where we are all over

1035
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:04,079
the world and we work out of our bedrooms. Most

1036
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:06,079
of us are hermits or like don't talk to anyone

1037
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:09,320
and we spread information through these small little niches or

1038
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,039
like these little cliques basically that are our friend groups,

1039
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,880
but we don't have a large scale place to connect

1040
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,320
as a community and like rally behind things we care

1041
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,840
about and educate each other and then also provide support

1042
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,360
to each other. Like the amount of girls that I

1043
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:26,519
met in crisis through this job that I'm like, you're

1044
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:30,280
such a beautiful, amazing human, Like here's here's like, oh

1045
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,760
you're Instagram got deleted, your TikTok got deleted. Let me

1046
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,599
teach you how to use Reddit. Like there's so much

1047
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,559
information that we spread to our friend groups, but we

1048
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:40,320
don't spread to so many other creators and people in need.

1049
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:44,280
And it's kind of time and we have the resources

1050
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,760
to build that right now. So I guess I am

1051
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,280
a product of like this almost delusional part of the industry. Also,

1052
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,480
like I've only existed in it. I'm like, guys, we're

1053
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:54,519
making so much money, why don't we buy our own bank?

1054
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:55,199
Speaker 1: Like what the heck?

1055
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 3: So, so I'm gonna try to keep holding on to that.

1056
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: And I also I do think it's true though, like

1057
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,599
I know there is so much room for innovation in

1058
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:08,880
our industry. We are like operating so in the past,

1059
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:12,960
so I'm really excited to see me but also like

1060
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:16,800
every other creator possible get inspired to start putting their

1061
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,199
money and investing into building building blocks of our industry, Like,

1062
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,159
it'll be so cool if we take advantage of this opera.

1063
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:28,079
Speaker 1: Danny Searches for ethical porn are apparently surging now, and

1064
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:31,280
Hidden markets itself partly on that positioning. So what does

1065
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,920
ethical actually mean in practice on your platform.

1066
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,159
Speaker 2: It's funny because I was just talking about how, like

1067
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,519
the first time I watched porn, I searched ethical porn

1068
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:48,239
ago I watched like a couple having loving sex in

1069
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,039
their home, and I still remember it to this day.

1070
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: It's how I learned how to give a blowjob.

1071
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 2: But it's funny because that was so long ago and

1072
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,840
it's still popular, which I always that it was only

1073
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,800
going to get more popular because to me, like, I

1074
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,400
don't use ethical porn as a way to market hidden

1075
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,599
at all, Like it's not even part of the terminology.

1076
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,519
It's just a fact that when creators are selling their

1077
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:17,079
own content with the least amount of of opportunities to

1078
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:20,480
get exploited in between that content creation and posting the

1079
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:23,679
content and selling it it's going to be the most ethical, right,

1080
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,159
Like you're paying directly to the creator, the creators making

1081
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,519
what she or he wants to make. And I just

1082
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:33,559
think that's like the direction that all porn is going.

1083
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,840
It's like what people want to see, and that's what

1084
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,559
good platforms host.

1085
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like a lot of people mistake the

1086
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:47,079
idea that ethical porn is like just really vanilla scenes

1087
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,639
between people and like you know, just lots of kissing

1088
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:51,119
and stuff.

1089
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: But like they're like they're calling it just like feminine

1090
00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:54,320
like porn.

1091
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like that, but there's so many people that

1092
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,400
like different kinds of content. And there's a lot of

1093
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,639
women who like to produce crazy shit.

1094
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,159
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, they don't work crazy.

1095
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: You do like a fucking like romantic love scene, yeah,

1096
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,199
and they should have the opportunity to produce the kind

1097
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,440
of content, yeah, in the way that they want to

1098
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,599
do it, the same as somebody who wants to just

1099
00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:16,639
do it romantic.

1100
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,159
Speaker 3: Love scene exactly.

1101
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:19,079
Speaker 2: It's just self expression at the end of the day.

1102
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:20,760
So when people ask me, like how do I find

1103
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,679
ethical porn on the internet, Like, how would you recommend them?

1104
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,519
Just like buy it from a creator, Like if you're

1105
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:27,719
buying directly from a creator, you're buying the most ethical

1106
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,119
content that you can find. Also, on Hidden, I feel

1107
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:33,840
like the more we build in tools, which is a

1108
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,519
huge goal for me, building tools where small creators can

1109
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,719
run their pages themselves with more passive promo, more passive sales,

1110
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,440
and then also just having certain tools to even you know,

1111
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:45,960
all those like there's so many back end tools that

1112
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,320
agencies use, for instance, to run pages that aren't really

1113
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,400
they're not doing much manually. If creators had those tools

1114
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:56,280
for free themselves to even just sort in boxes or

1115
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,760
find highest tippers like all those kind of things, then

1116
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,920
a lot of creators wouldn't have to pay sixty percent

1117
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,960
of their income to agencies, especially smaller creators, and they

1118
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,480
could run everything themselves. And that's just another form of

1119
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:11,360
exploitation that's taken out of the equation.

1120
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, on these on some the sex.

1121
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,199
Speaker 2: Worker owned platform, sex worker owned and run and a

1122
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,159
creator focused platform, you're going to find the most ethical

1123
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,960
content and it's gonna be also be to me, the craziest,

1124
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:27,480
Like we have girls everybody asking to do crazy content

1125
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:29,880
that we can't even allow because it's just hard lines

1126
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:30,960
for payment processors.

1127
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:33,159
Speaker 3: But yeah, we like crazy shit.

1128
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: People always used to tell me that anal is violenced

1129
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,079
against women, and I'm promoting violence against women.

1130
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:42,079
Speaker 3: I'm like, I just have a stretchy butthole and I

1131
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,119
enjoy it. Okay, it's so crazy, I know.

1132
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: I you know, I have worked with the women who

1133
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:50,400
prefer anal to vaginal.

1134
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,679
Speaker 3: Yah. I wouldn't say I prefer it, but it's high up.

1135
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: But like the I mean to all, like Phoenix Marine

1136
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,559
and like kat Zoomi not kat Zoomie cat Zunie. She

1137
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:02,519
was actually a French Asian porn star from like the

1138
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:05,320
early two thousands. It was amazing and and they would

1139
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:07,400
if they had a choice, they would take it up.

1140
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,159
They would for anal anal. They just like it felt better.

1141
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:15,000
I think for way more and Katsuni it was. I

1142
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:16,480
think it was actually like I think she had a

1143
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:19,199
shallow of vagina, so I think like she could take

1144
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,280
big dicks better in.

1145
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 3: Oh, A lot of people say that they can.

1146
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people are like I can take

1147
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,280
dread in my ass and I cannot take dread in

1148
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:25,760
my pussy.

1149
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:26,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1150
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 2: Definitely for size, it stretches, it can stretch a lot bigger. Yeah,

1151
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,440
and it's just more intense. It's more intimate to me,

1152
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:36,239
like it's special, it's fun taboo.

1153
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So uh, let's I want to pivot into

1154
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:45,719
some more personal questions relationships inside the industry. You meant it,

1155
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,519
you mentioned wanting to talk about this. What's your experience

1156
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:50,440
been and what do you think that people get wrong

1157
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,239
about dating.

1158
00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:54,519
Speaker 3: In this world? I, well, there's so much.

1159
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:59,199
Speaker 2: The main one is I see so many girls get

1160
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,960
into this industry for money or survival or whatever and

1161
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,440
then have a point where they don't they convince themselves

1162
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,400
they're not lovable. And so the number one thing I've

1163
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,639
had with every friend I've had in this industry is like,

1164
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,960
you are so lovable, and there will be a person

1165
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,199
out there for you if that's what you want, that

1166
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,599
understands the choices you've made, that thinks they're sick that

1167
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,639
if they were you, they would have done the same thing.

1168
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 3: That's completely possible.

1169
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,559
Speaker 2: It's crazy to even say that, but that's like a

1170
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:26,599
number one issue for the majority of girls in this

1171
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:30,079
industry that I know is believing that they're lovable, Which

1172
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:33,119
to me, I'm like, if you're thinking this and you're

1173
00:56:33,159 --> 00:56:34,880
doing this, there's gonna be other people out there that

1174
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,679
think and view the world the same way you do

1175
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,000
and have the same value system that you do. Yeah,

1176
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,559
and to hold out for those people and not fall

1177
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:44,320
for all the other people that you know, maybe start

1178
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,159
dating you and then say you're sinning and try and

1179
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,480
change you, try to get you to quit that whole thing.

1180
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:50,840
It's so frustrating epidemic in the industry.

1181
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: It's so frustrating to me, Like the guys who see

1182
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,840
a woman's value in their body count, you know, and

1183
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,280
you're only like valuable high value as a woman is

1184
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,960
if you've saved yourself for like this one person. But

1185
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:05,639
it's like the guys don't have to do that.

1186
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:08,159
Speaker 2: I'm just like those guys then should just date the

1187
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,360
girls that do that? Yeah, once they start trying to

1188
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,639
come into the industry or trying to like seduce a

1189
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,320
girl that's in the industry and then try and get

1190
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:17,199
her out of it and then.

1191
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:20,559
Speaker 3: Shame her for it. Yeah, it's just like mate with

1192
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:23,119
your people, oh, mate with her people.

1193
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's just there's relationships I think are it's

1194
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,199
just an absolute epidemic, the amount of unhealthy relationships I've

1195
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:34,599
seen in our industry. There's some healthy ones that are

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00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:36,440
like begons for me, and I think for a lot

1197
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,000
of girls of like, oh, I'm lovable, and I can

1198
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:42,400
find a partner that either works in the industry or doesn't,

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00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,480
but supports me, understands that the sex I have for

1200
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:47,800
work isn't the same as the sex I have in

1201
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:54,880
my personal life. And there's just the bad relationships and

1202
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,480
the toxic relationships in our industry are gonna destroy, Like

1203
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,920
on top of the burnout, the second thing I see

1204
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,360
destroying the girls in our industry is toxic bad relationships.

1205
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,559
They are getting used for money, they're getting abused, they're

1206
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:14,480
getting their boyfriends quit their jobs and start managing their

1207
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:16,039
page for them, and then once they want to leave

1208
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:19,079
the relationship, they can't because they have control of all

1209
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:21,119
of their money and everything they've done. And then they

1210
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:24,000
convince them that they'd be nowhere without them. And it's

1211
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:28,000
just like, I want to start telling people like you, guys,

1212
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:29,440
this is a fucking epidemic.

1213
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:30,719
Speaker 3: We're lovable.

1214
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: Also, I went through a long period of supporting a

1215
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,199
partner as a young creator that didn't know what she

1216
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,760
was doing. And I know there's situations where it works.

1217
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,559
I would say the majority it doesn't if you're supporting

1218
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,280
your male partner, especially when you're twenty two and they're

1219
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:48,880
thirty five.

1220
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:53,119
Speaker 3: Don't do that. No, it's never going to end well.

1221
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:54,320
It's not going to end well.

1222
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: You need to be with somebody that's as ambitious as you,

1223
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,320
that's working as hard as you. And some people do

1224
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,039
really well binding their work. But the best couples and

1225
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:06,159
creators I've seen in this industry, even if they still

1226
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:09,719
work in it or don't, they also have abilities to

1227
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,320
make money themselves. So it's like, you know, the guy

1228
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:13,760
has an only fance as well, and the guy's a

1229
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,079
performer as well, and he's successful in his own right.

1230
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:18,199
That's going to be the best way because this job

1231
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,519
is just so intimate that it's different than just starting

1232
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:25,079
a protein bar company with your boyfriend, like it's and

1233
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,320
even that is risky.

1234
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my Yeah, my husband and I we

1235
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:33,280
were both married before and like our partners sort of

1236
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,920
like lived off of us. So for us, before we

1237
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,719
even met, we were like, we really want someone who's independent,

1238
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,039
like yeah, absolutely, and that was like so important to

1239
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:46,440
me and to him. And he works in a completely different,

1240
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:50,199
so good industry, like not even close and I mean,

1241
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,199
I love him to death, but if I worked with him,

1242
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:54,840
I'd fucking murder. I know, I'd throw him out the window.

1243
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:57,199
Like there's no way we could work together. It would

1244
00:59:57,199 --> 00:59:58,800
be absolutely top.

1245
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: I think that's something you learn with age and going

1246
01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:02,639
through it. And I think our industry being filled with

1247
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:07,480
so many new younger girls that are making so much money,

1248
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:11,039
there's just I'm just watching so much abuse and exploitation

1249
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:13,320
down to relationship levels, and I'm like, you, guys, this

1250
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:14,599
is not gonna work out. Well.

1251
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: I think it's also too because there's so much burden.

1252
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,320
I mean, you know, just go back to the basics

1253
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,239
of like all the marketing that you have to do

1254
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,360
to try to like get your page out there and

1255
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,559
get a tent. It feels so insurmountable to do it

1256
01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:28,679
on your own, and so the idea to have somebody

1257
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,000
in your corner that will help you, that you trust.

1258
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:32,760
Oh it was.

1259
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,039
Speaker 3: It was probably like a game changer for me. It

1260
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:38,480
was so helpful for me, But I was also plotting

1261
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:39,639
my own demise.

1262
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,559
Speaker 2: Like it was. I was left five years in with

1263
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:45,719
no I had contracts but no way to uphold them.

1264
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:48,920
I like, it was just so gnarly and then the

1265
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,719
amount of creators that once they do break up with

1266
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,719
that partner. I mean, we're all public figures at some point,

1267
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:57,119
and the way that they go after you. I mean,

1268
01:00:57,239 --> 01:00:58,719
of course it happened to me. A lot of people

1269
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,320
know and have seen it, but it happens to everyone.

1270
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,000
Like we've been doing hidden therapy nights where we have

1271
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:08,159
a therapist and we do group therapy with creators and

1272
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,199
the amount of creators that share about their breakups and

1273
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,559
like how their ex is going online right now, is

1274
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:16,599
trying to slander them, saying all these horrible things, and

1275
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:18,199
we don't even see any of that, Like I didn't

1276
01:01:18,199 --> 01:01:20,079
know any of that was happening to all of those creators,

1277
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:21,880
but it is a lot of them are getting sued

1278
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,480
by their exes. Like it's just an epidemic right now.

1279
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:27,639
Yeah that I don't think we realize that we're all

1280
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:28,440
going through it.

1281
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:31,119
Speaker 3: And it's gnarly.

1282
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean your ex went on a smear campaign

1283
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,280
after you. If you guys put up, like how did

1284
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:37,719
you manage that?

1285
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever came back from it,

1286
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:42,920
Like I was so free and happy, go lucky sharing

1287
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,199
on the internet, and I the person closest to me,

1288
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,159
the person that like saw me. I mean we dated

1289
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:51,119
for a year before I even started doing online content.

1290
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,079
That like level of betrayal was so terrifying for me.

1291
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,639
And also I'd never really shared like so much. I

1292
01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:01,440
shared personal stuff when it comes to sexual stories or whatever,

1293
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,760
but I didn't share like personal things like my relationship

1294
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,760
or stuff like that, and so it was just so

1295
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,320
gnarly and I got such PTSD from it. And then

1296
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:14,519
my only way really out of it was realizing and

1297
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:16,280
talking to so many girls in the industry that it

1298
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,400
happened to as well, and I realized, oh my god,

1299
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,199
this is like something we're all going through, Like we

1300
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:24,840
all at a point. It's so crazy. How many creators

1301
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,320
I've talked to where they got a boyfriend. The boyfriend

1302
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,840
started filming with them and working with them, maybe running

1303
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,480
parts of their page. They were paying a ton of

1304
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:34,039
money to him. They decided one he wasn't nice to them,

1305
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:36,960
he was like he was crazy. Whatever happens in a

1306
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:40,800
relationship where you're like, we need to break up, which

1307
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,559
I don't know why. In our industry we get a

1308
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:44,800
little bit it seems like a little more deadbeat of

1309
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:47,000
men than normal but.

1310
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean I think like your dating pool is limited, yeah,

1311
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,280
because there's a lot of guys that won't date.

1312
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of users, I guess, And so

1313
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:56,960
just seeing how many people that's happened to, like, once

1314
01:02:57,039 --> 01:02:59,960
they do try and break up with their partner that's

1315
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:03,320
ingrained in their business in any way, they feel super

1316
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,480
entitled to the money and to what you built. And

1317
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:09,320
I just like, I've cautioned so many girls against it.

1318
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,599
I've cautioned so many where I've like sent them contracts

1319
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:14,079
that I used, and I was like, if you're going

1320
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:16,199
to film with your partner, you need to set up

1321
01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:21,199
a payment schedule and a like notarized contract, because even

1322
01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:23,719
if it's like a prenup, actually it's almost like I'm

1323
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:27,360
telling them, get a freaking prenup because your relationship will end.

1324
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 3: Most of the time, not always, because some people do

1325
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:31,559
have great relationships.

1326
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: But if you are going to go into it, go

1327
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:35,599
into it really smart, because this is content that you

1328
01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:37,679
could sell until you're ninety five years old. This is

1329
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,760
you putting your body on the internet no one else,

1330
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,079
and so it's just protect yourself.

1331
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I went through something similar with my

1332
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:49,159
ex husband. He did some filming for me, like you know,

1333
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:50,840
some behind the scenes and some of the shoots that

1334
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,559
I did. He didn't do that much work for me.

1335
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:57,480
And then when we split up, and you know, I've,

1336
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,920
like I said, I've been in the industry a long time,

1337
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:03,840
but I started my business, my own independent business, like

1338
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,440
a year before we met, but like I built my

1339
01:04:07,159 --> 01:04:11,679
brandom a name kind of before that. And he, yeah,

1340
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:14,280
I tried to claim half of my business and I

1341
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,760
was like, and my lawyer was like, you should have

1342
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,320
had him sign an independent contractors agreement and you should

1343
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,280
have paid him, Like yes, you should have paid him exactly,

1344
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:23,559
you know what I mean. And then he has no

1345
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:24,840
claim to it. But I didn't.

1346
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 3: That is what it's like.

1347
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:30,039
Speaker 1: It was like every labor and it ended up.

1348
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: Like and there my boyfriends are like no, or they're

1349
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,000
just like, oh, pay I mean I got into it.

1350
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,639
I got like trapped into just They're like, I don't

1351
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:38,639
want money. I just want like just pay for everything,

1352
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,320
you know, just like I'll just work for you now.

1353
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:44,199
Just pay for everything, and it's so much better. It

1354
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,800
might be annoying and not romantic, but like pay them

1355
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,880
so that you are protected. It's crazy even you have

1356
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,280
a story, Like everybody I talked to has a story.

1357
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:53,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, it's awful.

1358
01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 3: So we need to start protecting ourselves against that.

1359
01:04:56,519 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to ask you about one of

1360
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,760
your your crazy A couple of crazy stories here, Okay,

1361
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,679
so your dad's best man the night of his wedding.

1362
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one. That one went global. That one went

1363
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:12,519
so crazy, And it was just a TikTok I made.

1364
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:14,480
I was like at my mom's house making coffee in

1365
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:15,639
the morning, and I was like, oh, this is a

1366
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:17,960
story that I was going to go to my grave

1367
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:20,480
with and then I think I'll just share on TikTok.

1368
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:22,719
Which is the weird thing about the Internet. It's something

1369
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,599
you'd never tell to anyone you've ever known, because.

1370
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: It almost feel like you're speaking into the ether because

1371
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,000
there's not like a physical person there. Yeah.

1372
01:05:29,239 --> 01:05:32,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It's the weirdest thing.

1373
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 2: Like I've definitely trained myself out of that, But at

1374
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,039
the time, it was so easy to just be so

1375
01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:40,000
honest to the Internet and so much harder to do

1376
01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:43,920
it in person with someone, which is also a beautiful freedom.

1377
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,000
But yeah, after I don't even know, I was like

1378
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:53,199
twenty one probably and I mean, the basis of the

1379
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,440
story is my dad's best man was really hot and

1380
01:05:56,679 --> 01:06:01,119
he took an interest in me. I guess, like he

1381
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:03,800
was making moves on me all night and then I

1382
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,840
ended up sleeping with him and it was just an

1383
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,039
insane It was good.

1384
01:06:07,159 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 3: It wasn't bad.

1385
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,719
Speaker 2: I mean, looking back now, I'm like, it's a little

1386
01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:13,039
weird that like a sixty year old dude was going

1387
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:16,599
after his like his best friend who's getting married his

1388
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,360
daughter and like wanting to sleep with her. Also, my

1389
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,360
best friend was like in the bed next to us asleep,

1390
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,159
Like we had just even like let's go hang out

1391
01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:27,360
with my Airbnb and then we went back there and

1392
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,159
we were all hanging out and then she fell asleep

1393
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:31,159
and then I was like falling asleep and then we

1394
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,119
both started fucking like him and I, which also the

1395
01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:36,000
internet hated that.

1396
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:37,119
Speaker 1: Did she wake up?

1397
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,199
Speaker 2: No, But I told her about it after and they

1398
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:42,480
were like, oh my god, that's horrible that she was

1399
01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:44,159
in the bed. But it's like we were best friends

1400
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:48,119
since childhood and trust me, in high school that happened

1401
01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:52,039
a lot, yeah to both of us, so and there's

1402
01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:54,400
times we even shared guys together. So it's like that

1403
01:06:54,599 --> 01:06:56,519
wasn't the craziest part, but that had the Internet up

1404
01:06:56,519 --> 01:06:59,079
in arms. Me fucking my dad's best man definitely had

1405
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:00,920
the Internet up in arms. We had to fly home

1406
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,920
on the same plane the next day too, which was

1407
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:09,400
crazy yappened, I must I mean, I haven't talked to

1408
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:09,920
him about it.

1409
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:13,639
Speaker 3: We like talked very sparingly, but I can't be happy

1410
01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:13,920
about it.

1411
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 2: But it's also like, if you're gonna hang out with

1412
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,440
those type of kind of kind of dudes, which he

1413
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:20,199
knows he's hanging out with, like my dad, my parents divorced.

1414
01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:22,960
My dad's a much younger woman, Like my dad knows

1415
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:23,639
what time it is.

1416
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:28,039
Speaker 1: So this friend, what about this anal on a first

1417
01:07:28,159 --> 01:07:29,719
date with a homeless guy in his car.

1418
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,719
Speaker 2: That was actually my first TikTok ever. Is I was

1419
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,519
like going crazy during COVID and TikTok was just starting

1420
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:37,119
up and you could kind of say whatever you wanted

1421
01:07:37,159 --> 01:07:38,880
to know. No one was talking about sex, and I

1422
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,800
was just I was so isolated. I was going insane.

1423
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,280
So I made a There was a trend that was

1424
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:48,119
like if I had one nick if I don't even

1425
01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:50,320
know what it was. It was like if I had

1426
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,639
if well, I don't know what it was. It's something

1427
01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:57,519
like if this happened, I've had I'd have one nickel

1428
01:07:58,639 --> 01:08:00,320
and it's crazy that happened. Like I don't know what

1429
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,960
the thing was, but anyway, that was the that was

1430
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:06,800
the audio, and then over it I posted like having

1431
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,800
anal on a first date with a homeless guy in

1432
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,360
the back of his car, and it went so viral,

1433
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:15,119
like at least at that time, it was probably like

1434
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:16,800
one hundred and twenty kvs or something.

1435
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:17,279
Speaker 3: I don't even know.

1436
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:20,520
Speaker 2: I just remember it like watching it client and I

1437
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,479
was like, oh fuck, That's why I got the bug

1438
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,560
to even start posting on TikTok after that, because like

1439
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,119
that first video I ever made did so well because

1440
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:29,920
we were like, what the fuck is this? And it

1441
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:32,319
was true and that was the first time I ever

1442
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:38,119
had anal and how I don't even know, Like it

1443
01:08:38,199 --> 01:08:39,920
truly feels like another life. I was working at a

1444
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,159
homeless shelter, but when I was in pre med, I

1445
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:44,000
was like the front desk girl. He was at the

1446
01:08:44,039 --> 01:08:47,079
homeless shelter, yeah, and he was just I mean he

1447
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:50,359
was I worked at a homeless shelter for veterans. He

1448
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,520
was a marine vet and I didn't know if bipolar

1449
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,039
was at the time at all. But he was the

1450
01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:01,119
most alive, excited, happy, amazing person ever and he was

1451
01:09:01,159 --> 01:09:04,079
like constantly trying to woo me and writing me poems.

1452
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,720
And I'd never been like pursued in that way before.

1453
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 3: It was just mania. But how was I supposed to

1454
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:11,520
know that? I didn't know.

1455
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,520
Speaker 2: And so after like six months of all of that,

1456
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,760
I eventually went to his car one night after work

1457
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,880
and I was on my period, so he went in

1458
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,560
my butt. I didn't know that that was going to happen.

1459
01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:26,880
I ended up liking it. Looking back, there's a billion

1460
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:31,199
ways that I've now come to terms with. Maybe I

1461
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,960
didn't consent to doing that, and then everything that was

1462
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:37,800
created after was a coping mechanism to take power back.

1463
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 3: Yet that I don't know if that's true or the opposite,

1464
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,399
where I just like it didn't hurt. I did enjoy it.

1465
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:48,159
Speaker 2: I've never been wetter during that experience. And then I

1466
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:52,840
used that experience and made a whole new business for myself.

1467
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,119
Speaker 1: Out of it. So so that's when you knew you

1468
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:55,720
loved Danel?

1469
01:09:56,079 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? With homewk Yeah, I mean well, and then we

1470
01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:01,359
ended up dating and that that was my boyfriend that

1471
01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:03,880
I took care of for four years and we had

1472
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,479
anal every day, if not twice a day. Yeah, because

1473
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,279
he was really into anal, which I think is I

1474
01:10:11,359 --> 01:10:14,680
made lemonade out of lemons and I did really enjoy it,

1475
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,840
and it was an amazing time in my life until

1476
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:18,960
I had to get that person.

1477
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 3: Out of my life.

1478
01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: And then he was just a pain in the ass.

1479
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:29,560
Speaker 2: He just like mental illness is. Some of the most

1480
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,239
genius people I've ever met are mentally ill, yep. But

1481
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:38,279
they also will completely destroy themselves and you. And it

1482
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,079
got to just a horrible point that I had to

1483
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:45,359
get out of if I wasn't gonna die or Yeah,

1484
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:47,560
it was just so as it does it just like

1485
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:52,159
I would caution against that, but I didn't know. I

1486
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:54,840
was young, and like it felt so alive, and maybe

1487
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,079
it emboldened me to make a lot of the decisions

1488
01:10:57,159 --> 01:10:58,800
that I made. Who knows where I'd be if I

1489
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:03,159
hadn't made all those decisions. No regrets, no regrets at all,

1490
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:07,319
But I definitely know I've gone through an experience that

1491
01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:08,960
a lot of people go through. And it's like when

1492
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,960
I see my younger friends getting into certain relationships right now.

1493
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,039
I'm like, I'm not telling you this because I just

1494
01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:18,680
don't understand you know, your connection. I'm like, no, I'm

1495
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,640
telling you this because I had that same exact thing,

1496
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,720
and it feels fucking amazing until you realize that you're

1497
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,039
being used and manipulated and love bombed and abused and

1498
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:30,479
you're in a toxic cycle. And I just want to

1499
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,279
caution people against that. But I obviously wouldn't have listened

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01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:34,920
to any advice at the time either. I would have

1501
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,199
lost my own family overkeeping him. So it's just what

1502
01:11:39,359 --> 01:11:41,840
I guess women going through toxic relationships go through.

1503
01:11:42,039 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: I feel like we all need we all go through one.

1504
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,720
We better understand ourselves and then know what we deserve, right, And.

1505
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,039
Speaker 2: You can only really survive one or two of them. Yeah,

1506
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:51,680
Like that's the thing where I'm like, once I started

1507
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,920
seeing girls going to patterns with it, I'm like, oh God,

1508
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:54,680
because I don't.

1509
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,119
Speaker 3: I couldn't have survived more than one.

1510
01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:00,079
Speaker 2: Like it is, it gets to a point where you're like, like,

1511
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:04,079
I'm gonna either be killed or lose my fucking mind

1512
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:05,439
or kill meself.

1513
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 3: So it's really fucking deep.

1514
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,560
Speaker 1: But you now are in a place where you know

1515
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:13,680
what a healthy relationship is.

1516
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,399
Speaker 2: Yes, once you get out of it, it is the

1517
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,199
best feeling in the entire world. It's like you mess

1518
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:19,680
with the bowl, you get the horns. Like if you're

1519
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,720
going to go into a relationship like that that feels

1520
01:12:22,039 --> 01:12:26,079
that fucking crazy and is with a crazy person with

1521
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:28,920
all the perks. It comes with a very You have

1522
01:12:29,039 --> 01:12:30,600
to go to hell through hell to get out of it,

1523
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:32,640
and so it's just like what it comes with. So

1524
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,520
I guess I just had a human experience, which we

1525
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,439
all have, and yeah, I came out of it so

1526
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,840
much better and stronger, probably lost small pieces of myself,

1527
01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:44,359
but got wiser.

1528
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: We'll sell of Those are all my questions for today.

1529
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:52,920
Thank you so fun so much. Can you just obviously

1530
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,439
you know we're here to promote Hidden your platform, So

1531
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,640
for someone who's watching this is going to be a

1532
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:02,479
new creator and is in trying the site, I mean, obviously,

1533
01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:05,760
what's the actual ur L is in this? Because I've

1534
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,239
seen it spelled with with an E with a three,

1535
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,159
which I think is your way of turning it around. Yeah, Instagram.

1536
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we also couldn't get at Hidden on Instagram. It's

1537
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,840
just like completely impossible and so we did it H

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01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,520
one D D three N because also, like my one,

1539
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,680
I like the number thirteen, and then my instagram is

1540
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,479
anal princess, but with the L as a one and

1541
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,199
the E as a three, and so I just played

1542
01:13:29,239 --> 01:13:31,600
on that. But yeah, the the r L is just

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01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,399
a simple Hidden dot com H I, D, D, E

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01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,920
N dot com and anyone can sign up. We just

1545
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:41,359
do like age verification, the same sign up process basically

1546
01:13:41,399 --> 01:13:42,920
as only fans or any of the sites you use.

1547
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,119
We don't have like selective that we only allow certain

1548
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,399
creators in or of certain sizes. As long as we

1549
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:52,319
can age and identify age and identity verify you, then

1550
01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:53,600
you can join.

1551
01:13:54,319 --> 01:13:57,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing. And then when they get in there, do

1552
01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:59,680
you guys have like liaisons that kind of help them

1553
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,319
set up their profile and everything. Yeah.

1554
01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 2: So my favorite thing about Hidden, beyond all the other

1555
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,119
features we talked about, is our customer support and creator support.

1556
01:14:07,319 --> 01:14:10,800
Like we that was so important to me because on

1557
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,039
OnlyFans like and every other site I've used, if you're

1558
01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:17,199
having an issue, it is impossible to get uphold of anybody,

1559
01:14:18,079 --> 01:14:21,720
whether it's like you know, wrongful violations or whatever. It

1560
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,720
might be. Just needing support or like assistance in general.

1561
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:30,319
So actually to bolster that this week, starting on Thursday,

1562
01:14:30,359 --> 01:14:33,520
we're doing an event called Crash Course and it's for

1563
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,239
new and old creators. But we're doing like daily guide

1564
01:14:36,279 --> 01:14:38,479
videos posted every day. They're email to you. We're doing

1565
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,279
office hours with all of our creator liaisons, so you

1566
01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:44,159
can meet them every single day. It's like any time

1567
01:14:44,199 --> 01:14:47,239
between eleven am to four pm you can just join.

1568
01:14:47,359 --> 01:14:49,720
We're like emailing every creator link so they can join

1569
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:54,279
and ask questions, meet the creator liaisons have like personal help,

1570
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,199
just office hours. And then we're also doing webinars daily too,

1571
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,680
so like I'll hop on and we'll do live zoom

1572
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,479
calls and go through certain parts of the site and

1573
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,600
how to use them, and then like special tips and tricks.

1574
01:15:05,319 --> 01:15:09,159
So yeah, so then everybody, if someone hasn't met a

1575
01:15:09,359 --> 01:15:12,960
career Lison yet or like wants somebody to reach out to,

1576
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:15,479
they'll meet them there.

1577
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, And then can you tell everybody where else

1578
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:19,880
they can find you online?

1579
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 3: Do you have any Yeah, I'm band everywhere.

1580
01:15:23,319 --> 01:15:27,239
Speaker 2: I will be back on I will be back on Instagram.

1581
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,920
Anal Princess. The L is a one and the E

1582
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:32,800
is a three. That account.

1583
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 3: I'll never let it die.

1584
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:35,359
Speaker 2: I'll keep paying to get it back till the end

1585
01:15:35,359 --> 01:15:39,319
of time Hidden's account will get back. It is uh

1586
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,199
H one D D three N on Instagram right now.

1587
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:44,760
We have I live online on Instagram, which is I

1588
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,239
dot live dot online, which is the name of our

1589
01:15:47,279 --> 01:15:49,239
last event, and I kind of just like that username.

1590
01:15:50,039 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 3: So we have that, and then.

1591
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 2: My Twitter account I've been focusing on more, and that's

1592
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,880
Barry Baby b A R E y Baby, and then

1593
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,680
our hidden Twitter. I've been focusing on a lot too,

1594
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,239
because at least we won't get banned there unless I

1595
01:16:05,319 --> 01:16:08,319
put a bikini photo in the cover cover or yeah,

1596
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,520
cover photo, and then we'll get banned. That was how

1597
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,399
I got banned last time. Oh wow, Yeah, so it's possible.

1598
01:16:14,039 --> 01:16:18,439
But but yeah, our our Twitter or our ex account

1599
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,239
I guess it is now is H one D D

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01:16:21,399 --> 01:16:25,640
three N xoxo. Yeah, wait, you'll find it's just honestly,

1601
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,000
the best thing to do is just go to Hidden

1602
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,520
dot com. Like it's kind of cool that we don't

1603
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:29,680
have any social media anymore.

1604
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like you're that underground.

1605
01:16:32,279 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah we're so underground. Yeah, we're so punk. We're punk

1606
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,439
we're the last punk people in the industry.

1607
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: And then you guys can find me for now on

1608
01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:46,079
Instagram at Holly Randall, on X at Holly Randall as well.

1609
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,079
Thank you guys so much for watching. Thank you so

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01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:52,279
much strip Chat for sponsoring the podcast. And then of

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01:16:52,359 --> 01:16:54,640
course we're going to do an extra bonus Q and

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01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:58,199
A with Sella with the questions that you sent me.

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01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,640
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01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,680
if you want to be able to watch these streams

1615
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,840
live and submit your own questions for future guests. Thank

1616
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,760
you guys so much for watching, and I will see

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you next week.