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Speaker 1: Well off of a weekend that has seen Ryan Garcia. Yes,

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Ryan Garcia.

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Speaker 2: Get it.

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Speaker 1: He's back with a very impressive, arguably the biggest win

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of his career, impressive decision over Mario Barrios cat.

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Speaker 2: Yes, how could you say arguably?

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Speaker 1: We love to argue, Well, we love to argue, and

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you're arguing in the first minute of the podcast. It

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is a win for Garcia for the WBC welterweight title.

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We're gonna talk about that in the entire ring pay

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per view from the Zone from Las Vegas. Also, Lee

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Wood victorious in his rematch with Josh Warrington in England.

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Hearty atmosphere, a lot of action in that fight. We're

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sensational swerve in the whole zoofa boxing thing that we're

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Speaker 1: Yes, but you know what, we actually are making an impact.

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We're consistently here. You and I get a lot of

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and there's a lot of fans that appreciate what we do.

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And there are a lot of fans that appreciate the

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bickering back and forth, like we're an old married couple

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that ain't changing anytime soon. Ray feels in a particularly

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good mood because he's Duke Blue Devils beat up on Michigan.

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How were you not in the hiszy because the game

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was in the Washington Wizard's Washington Capitals Downtown Arena. That's local,

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that's regional for you near northern Virginia.

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Speaker 2: Where, yes, where Tank Davis fought. That's where Mike Tyson thought.

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I've been there.

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Speaker 1: That did not get to the Duke Michigan game. We

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should mention phenomenal hockey win. I know you're not a

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hockey guy. The US hockey team has one goal for

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the first time since the Miracle on ice. Watched me

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tie it back to boxing. They have one gold beating

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the Canadians. Stop crying, you Canadians. This is your sport

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and you got beat in the gold medal game by

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the United States USA USA. And if you go back

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to the United States win to clinch the gold medal

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against Finland forty six years ago. The anniversary is Tuesday,

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February the twenty What is that fourth is Tuesday? If

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you go back in the rabbit hole of the YouTube

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after Mike h Ruzioni the captain has led the title,

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you know these names, Rayfael Herb Brooks the coach, the

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vice president at the.

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Speaker 2: Time, Waltim Craig the goalkeeper.

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Speaker 1: Yet Jim Craig the goalkeeper, Walter Mondale is the vice president.

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They go to the ABC live coverage in the locker

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room and your boy, Jim Lampley is there on YouTube

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doing the post hockey gold medal interviews. Forty six year

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old Easter Egg. To go find that now you fast forward.

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Jack Hughes is the hero forever with the overtime goal.

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Never has to buy a meal or a beer ever.

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Speaker 1: Got his teeth literally knocked out the in the gold medal.

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Speaker 2: Game to become a boxer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be a couple of boxers, so kudos

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to them. The winner. Olympics are done. We move on

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with our lives. Except Rayfield's ready to launch and it's

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not even boxing relating And I'm like, ho, have you

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not figured out in the four years we've been doing this,

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this is the fourth year of you and me doing this.

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What are you mad about on Sunday night? That has

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nothing to do with me and nothing to do with

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the fights. You'm sad.

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Speaker 2: I'm frustrating because here in northern Virginia where we're going

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to get and it's as we tape this, it's snowing outside.

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like in the northeast is getting like two feet? Am

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Speaker 2: But whatever? In northern Virginia, they have no idea how

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to get rid of snow. The reason I'm perturbed, how's

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of days in this semester that he's been to school.

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you got a winter break looming allegedly, or are they

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make this up? So they're not going to school July fourth?

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half day because and then there's another day off because

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the other They said, when's the last time that the

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Speaker 1: It's probably the beginning of December from what it sounds like.

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Speaker 1: But again for those of you, I'm here in Florida,

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and it's going to get cooler for us, but it's

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York airports are shut down on Sunday night. How about

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the US hockey team and a lot of the US

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travel party for the United States Olympic teams were trying

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to fly back to New York night and tomorrow morning

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from Italy. They can't get back to New York. The

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US hockey team's gonna fly to Miami. Let's go to

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South Beach. They're gonna have the gold medals.

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Speaker 2: On South Beach. Right FI.

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Speaker 1: Podcast exactly on that, all right, so we empathize. I

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have a buddy of mine that's in Providence, Rhode Island,

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and he's like the winter storm advisory's already in. We're

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gonna be socked in with two feet of snow for days.

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So you all just hang in there and let's get

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to the boxing. Let's get to all of it with

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the results and the news. Ryan Garcia, Okay, how much

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of it was him being that good? How much of

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it is have we just overvalued Mario Barrios and every

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time he's in the biggest fight, we don't really see

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it from him. And Garcia took advantage of that. What

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would you say, because this was a twelve round, one

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sided whitewashing. He's the new WBC Walterway Champ.

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Speaker 2: It's a combination of both things. The one end in

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terms of just strictly Garcia to think about the guy

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that showed up all over the place against Hany and

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even though he won the fight in the ring, then

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had the fel drug test, talked about how he was,

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you know, too much drinking during camp and fight week,

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which is why he didn't make the weight. All kinds

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of you know, erratic behavior, gets of course busted for

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the ped use and then takes the one year suspension

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and was generally an unhinged human being. And then even

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when he came back and he got into the ring

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and the things seemed to at least be a little

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more calm around him, although not totally. And he had

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the Stink the Roof fight last spring against Roly Romero.

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In the Times Square fight, he didn't show up at all,

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so that you know, didn't throw any punches. I mean, yeah,

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he had a little bit of an injury, but you know,

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dying in and box zone. Yeah, So to look at

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that fighter who performed against Romero or didn't perform, frankly,

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and to then look at the guy that showed up

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and fought Mario Barrios on Saturday, in terms of the

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physical conditioning, apparently the mental conditioning, because just you could

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listen to the way Ryan spoke and handle himself during

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the build up to the Barrios fight was much more.

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Even Keeled had gone through the trainer change, you know,

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had his you know, you know, all the not not

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a change, but the controversy with his former trainer Joe

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Goosen training Barrios. He stayed pretty calm about that. Let

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basically his father have most of them say so in

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that situation, it just remarkable that it was the same

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person because he came in great condition, He was fast,

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he was in shape, he was accurate, They had a

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great game plan. We all know Ryan as a great

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left hook fighter, but and I didn't really I kind

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of had. I knew this, but I kind of forgot

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it when he was talking about in the postfight because

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he used he used his right hand so much in

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the first half of the fight, including using it to

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get the knockdown against Barrios in really like the opening

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twenty seconds of the fight. Talked about how when he

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was a younger fighter he was as an amateur, also

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that he was relying on his right hand that was

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his best punch, but he had suffered some injuries through

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the years of the right hand, so he had to

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go to school and really work on building up his

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left hook, and that really became the biggest weapon in

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his arsenal. And so those of us who followed him

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for the last number of years as a pro think

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about him as being this great left hook puncher. But

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he really does have the right hand. He just didn't

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really use it a lot. He really got to going

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on Saturday. But that was as complete a performance as

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you can ask for. There is no argument that it's

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the biggest win of his career or that it's the

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best performance of his career because it was under a

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big spotlight. It was in his first world championship fight.

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for five minutes, but we don't really count that too much.

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So he did this on the big stage, you know.

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And I mean, look, I've had my difference with the Ryan.

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This is no shocker. I was, you know, vilified by

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him for my accurate reporting about his drug testing situation.

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But for all our person issues that maybe Ryan and

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I've had through the years, I give him his credit.

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Mand The guy fought a great fight. He showed up,

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he fought his ass off, he got to win, and

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he's champing now. And by the fight he's how much

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a star hold on He was already a star, allowed

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him to do certain things, kind of pick the fights

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he wanted. Now as a star with the title, it's

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gonna make him even bigger.

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Speaker 1: And more on that, But how much back to the fight,

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how much the tone setting first thirty seconds twenty five

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seconds where he lands the right on the top of

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the head and Barrios is down on the seat of

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his pants, like right away. That's not the whole fight,

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that's not even close to the whole fight. But he

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set the tone which had and it made Barrios I

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thought apprehensive of the right hand as the early part

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of the fight unfolded.

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Speaker 2: Mario was not. I didn't think anyway. He wasn't really

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hurt by that shot. It was really a flash knockdown,

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but it counted. But I think, like you said, it

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wasn't that he was hurt by that particular punch and

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he was going to be out of the fight. It

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was like it put in his mind like, oh shit,

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I gotta worry about the right He really does punch

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and he's and the thing about it, more so even

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just then, the power is that he's so quick that

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he never saw the punch coming. And now you've got

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to think about more stuff now. I know they said

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they worked on defending against the right hand, and I'm

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sure they did go over that. Joe Goosen is the

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kind of trainer that's not going to leave that type

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of stone unturned. But I'm sure that the bulk of

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it was we're going to be looking for the left hook,

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and he never landed the big left hook. He landed

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the right hand several times. He hurt Barrios a number

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of times. Now, But you asked about which was it.

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good Mario was. Obviously I think it's a combination. But

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here's the thing about Barrios. There is a reason why

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everybody called him out because he has a prestigious belt

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in the WBC, and he was viewed as a very

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beatable opponent. He is coming off back to back draws

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where he got to keep the title, but he didn't

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get wins. One of them was against an you know,

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a forty six year old mannipac Yao. One of them

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was against you know, a regular opponent in Abo Ramos.

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So he was viewed as vulnerable, and you know, the

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people that were looking at him thought, Okay, I'm targeting

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my various opponents in the in the title picture, at

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the at the welterweight limit. He's a guy, but I

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can probably make someny against if I can land the fight. Now,

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you know, Ryan put up a great fight. Now, That

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is different than did he deserve the fight in the

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first place. Now, the answer to that is no, And

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I don't care what anybody says. He did not deserve

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the fight because of the drug testing thing, cousin the

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loss against Romero.

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Speaker 1: Back he hadn't even beaten anybody in the welter webs.

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Speaker 2: He but the WBC gave him the shot. He brought

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money to the table. It is a business, and he

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got the opportunity. And for Ryan's perspective, you know what,

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he made the most of it. So good for him.

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Barrios made a lot of money that night. I already

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made like around eight million dollars. Good for now. He's

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got a young family, and he's had a hard life.

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Speaker 1: And we know and we know he made big money

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with Pacquiao, so you would think.

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Speaker 2: He made good money with Pacio. He made pretty good money.

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I think with a tank Gavis back a few years ago,

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one hundred and forty pounds.

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Speaker 1: So here's one more component to this. And I laud

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Sergio Mora. I enjoy him on the commentary, and Todd

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Grisham pressed him and said, what's going on with Barrios?

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And and Sergio said, this is the same thing we've

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seen in the other fights that you watch. When he

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steps up in competition, he can't get off, he can't

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let his hands go. He's an easy target in the night.

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Speaker 2: What you say, anybody making an assessment about the matchup,

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I mean I thought that Ryan was to me, if

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Ryan was was clear headed and healthy, he's gonna win

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the fight. I didn't. I didn't really think it was

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a hard pick. Frankly, and nothing against Barrios. He was

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always gonna even if Ryan was not at his best,

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he was always going to be slower, he was always

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gonna be less of a puncher. I mean they both

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have good experience against good opponents. I didn't think like

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one guy was out of his depths. I mean Ryan's

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been in big time fights, fought against Tank Davis and

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other you know, quality opponents, and obviously Barrios has fought

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other quality guys too. But the skill level, the speed, uh,

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just the overall package is a totally different level. I mean,

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whatever wherever you rank Ryan, you have to rank Barrios.

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You know, even going into the fight, you know a

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good step or two behind him. Now, the thing that

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was interesting about it was to the scoring, so I'm

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watching the fight and I'm scoring. Now he give him

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a ten eight round to to to Ryan for the

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knockdown in the opening seconds of the fight. And to me,

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this was as one sided and asked will Wing. To me,

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this was the epitome of a shutout. I thought that Ryan,

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even in the rounds where he wasn't lights out, even

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in the later half of the fight, when he had

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injured his right hand, he told his father in the

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corner and he stopped using the right hand, you know,

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to to top effect. He was still dominating. He was still

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doing basically what I really knocked out.

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Speaker 1: I really thought the only round that you could really

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give Barrios was the eleventh round I had. I was scoring.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even give him the eleventh.

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Speaker 1: I was scoring along, going along, and I'm going it's ten,

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it's eight nothing, it's ten nothing. This is a this

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is a she lacking.

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Speaker 2: For so he win on my card. I had a

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twelve zero plus the knockdown. One of the official judges

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had it the same. One judge did what you said,

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gave him round number eleven and had it one eighteen

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to one oh eight. And our buddy Steve Weisfeld who

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was I've said a thousand times I considered the number

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one judge in boxing gave him the eleventh round and

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gave him the twelfth round. So I didn't agree with that.

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I thought that was awfully generous. But again, it wasn't

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gonna change the outcome of the fight no matter what,

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because you know, even the worst judges couldn't have messed

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up that fight. I didn't think. I mean, I don't

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know what else you can say. There's nothing negative to

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say about Ryan's performance in the fight. He did it

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on offense, he did it on defense, he scored the knockdown,

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He came back from a horrible loss and an injury,

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and you know now he's in the cat bird seed,

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as they say. I mean, it was a really sensational performance,

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all right.

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Speaker 1: So two things. One, let's tease the audience. What you

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love it when I give a good tease, and you

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get good at the teasers too. I'm gonna ask you

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about what's next in the context of what we're talking

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about in the news, because things seem to be kind

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of lining up. Stay tuned. Am I wrong to sit

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here on this Sunday night? You know where I'm going? No,

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I don't Is this the last chapter on what happened

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this weekend or do we have to wait and see

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about the pre fight drug test and the pope postfight

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drug test. Are we not always wondering if there's another

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shoe with Ryan Garcia?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm giving him as flowers in this podcast,

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but I'm not closing the book on this event un

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till I get the results of these.

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Speaker 1: We are we wrong to the audience to sit here

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and wonder what else?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you should always wonder about what the drug

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tests are going to be, but in the case that

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has failed the drug test, you should always be making

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sure you get to get the results.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so stay tuned. But it's a great

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night for him. It's a win for him, big moment.

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Still got a lot of career in front of him too,

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if he could keep his head screw.

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Speaker 2: It's only twenty seven years old, even though he's says

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he's been around forever. I mean, I've known Ryan since

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he's about seventeen years old. He turned pro at a

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young age and got a lot of star power and

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a lot of attention at a you know, I think

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it was kind of too much, too soon sometimes is

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what happens to me. What's going to be very interesting

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is how does Ryan now winning the title in that

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moment and having such a good performance, how does he

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He's he's had a lot of stuff come out and

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a lot of people, a lot of hangers on, a

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lot of all kinds of craziness. Now he's champed. How's

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he going to handle that? Because it's if it's gonna

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get worse.

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Speaker 1: Now stand by more on the next steps when we

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get to the news in a few moments. Let's go

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over the rest of the card. So, first of all,

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the news came out on Saturday, late afternoon. I saw

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it and I actually sent you a message and I

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got my obligatory at least once every couple of days,

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I get the what the effort you're talking about text

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back from Rayphiel and I don't know about it. It's

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on social media that Richardson Hitchins is ill and is

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out of the.

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Speaker 2: Fight, contrary to popular belief. Yeah, I do spend some

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time of my life not on social media. There you

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go it Saturday morning, where I know I'm going to

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be super busy the day with boxing. I was doing

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some things that were not related to boxing, right, which

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is allowed.

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Speaker 1: So I sent you the message and take us through

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what you found out, because I saw you reporting this

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on social media on what happened, including with the secondary

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way in, because there's been a lot of conversation about that,

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and Hitchins ends up not fighting at all with Oscar Duarte, Okay,

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just hours before the fight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Hitchins is the IBF Junior welterweight champion. He

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was supposed to make a defense in the co feature

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against Oscar Duarte, which to many people was the best

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fight on the card, even including the main event that

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there was a lot of high hopes for that matchup,

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and both fighters went to the Friday way in. Both

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made the weight with no issue Saturday morning. As per

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the IBF rule in a non unification fight, they were

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required to make a second day weight. They were not

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allowed to be more than ten pounds above one forty

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so one hundred and fifty pound maximum. Both fighters went

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to that morning weight check. They both made the weight comfortably.

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Both of guys were inside one fifty. I think Richardson

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Hitchins I went off tought Matt. I want to say

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it was like one forty nine point two or something,

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and Duarte was about the same. They were, you know,

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tad room to move. You know, there was they had

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a cushion there. They weren't you know, pushing exactly one fifty. Okay,

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so we got a fight. Now. Once that happens, you know,

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they've done their obligations. They've made the first weight, that's

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the official weight. They've done the second weight. Now the

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commission they worry about the Friday the Saturday way in

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I mean, I mean the Friday way in the official waycheck.

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The other shit's just IBF related, So the Commission's not

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even involved with that.

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Speaker 1: You just have that's interesting. We should just thing. Wish

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you just laid it out like the WBC doesn't require this,

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so I Mario Barrios didn't have to go through this.

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The WBA correct doesn't require this. So we're going to

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talk about Gary angelin Russell's title of defense. They didn't

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go through it. This is an IBF thing keep.

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Speaker 2: And this is the thing that's been a rule. I

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forget the exact year it was created, but I think

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it was during the time since I've started. I want

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to say with some time in the early two thousands

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that they implemented this. I don't like it. I don't

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think it's appropriate, but whatever. Anyway, but the point is

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both fighters made the weight that the official way in

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on Friday, and both fighters were within the required limit

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of the IBF in the Saturday morning waycheck. And once

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that happens, you're like, okay, now let's let's get ready

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for the fight. So what I found out because I

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called and spoke to Richardson Hitchins's manager, which is Keith Connelly,

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who was there with him in Vegas obviously uh he

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and he told me. He gave me his version of

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what happened. He says, Look, we went to the waycheck

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and Richie was fine. He made the weight. He actually

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made it a lot easier than he's made it in

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the past. And you know, he's talked about not liking

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the IBF waycheck, but he does it because he's champing.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: He made the weight no problem. So, like they normally

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would do, they went as a team, him and and

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UH and the fighter and the and the trainer and

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the you know, the whole crew, and they went that

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breakfast after the way check, because it was at like

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eight o'clock in the morning. They had breakfast in the MGM,

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and an hour or so later, Hitchin starts throwing up,

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and Connley says he vomited like several times during the

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rest of the day and he was all fucked up

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and sick, and so obviously at that point you can't

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You're not going to go through with the fight. So

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the question I have and I don't know the answer,

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and I don't think anybody truly knows the answer. Was

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it because of making the weight? Was it because you

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maybe took in and you rehydrated too quickly?

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Speaker 1: Was it food poisoning yet something? Yeah, he ate breakfa

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he eat something that disagreed with him and that caused it.

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Speaker 2: Who knows, now, eggs or whatever, just a normal breakfast.

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Speaker 1: And let's just dispel this. Once you've made the secondary

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weight there, I mean, he had to be making seven figures.

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I don't know how much, but he's the k fiah

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he was. You're walking away from a million dollar pay

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day the afternoon of the fight. So I don't believe

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any uh bs.

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Speaker 2: Once you make the weight with the commission, which both

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of them did on Friday. Once that happens, if the

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fight is now off and it's not your fault, and

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it's something happens with the other fighter. I believe that

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the promoter is obliged to pay the boxer half of

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their purse, not Hitchens. But Duarte did not walk away

476
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,400
empty hand it. And so there is a movement now

477
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,160
to try to reschedule this fight for as soon as

478
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,200
they can. We'll see when it actually can take place,

479
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,359
you know, so who knows what will be.

480
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: But I'm just coming at it, you know where I'm

481
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,440
coming from. There's not a reason for him to want

482
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,079
to back out at three o'clock in the afternoon.

483
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 2: I've seen people say he was scared. If you know

484
00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:02,599
Richard or Hitchens even a little bit, the dude would

485
00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:05,160
fight a fucking grizzly bear if he had to. Ye, okay,

486
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,359
this is not about that. The other thing is I've

487
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,640
seen some people, even even people in the media who

488
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,119
I respect, making the comments that he should be stripped

489
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,559
of the title because this. I'm like, what the fuck

490
00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:19,039
are you talking about. You have no proof for evidence

491
00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:21,000
that it's because he didn't make the weight, but he

492
00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:24,119
actually did make the weight. So to me, if you

493
00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:28,000
make the weight twice and he's doun, your obligation and

494
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,960
something happens. That's life, because I don't see any reason

495
00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:34,720
why not making or you know, getting sick or throwing

496
00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,200
up or whatever how you want to put it. How

497
00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:39,759
is it any different if he couldn't fight, because like

498
00:22:39,799 --> 00:22:42,559
he's you know, he's wanting to You're walking to his

499
00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:45,000
hotel room and he trips and he sprains.

500
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: His ankle and can't stand.

501
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,599
Speaker 2: Could be anything. So he's not going to get stripped

502
00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:51,119
of the title, and hopefully they can just put this.

503
00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:54,559
You know, it's unfortunate. It totally sucks. Uh. You know,

504
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,599
you feel bad because both guys put in the you know,

505
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,839
a normal lengthy training camp, which costs money. It takes

506
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,119
takes out of you physically because you've sparred, you know, however,

507
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,960
many dozens of rounds or whenever.

508
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: You weight drained in Duarte's case to get down to

509
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,200
the weight, and so did Hitchins.

510
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: So I don't look at there being some big conspiracy.

511
00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:13,480
I think this is just one of those things that

512
00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:15,720
happens every now and again. It's happened a couple of

513
00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:16,440
times in the Morking.

514
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:19,559
Speaker 1: Do you believe that Hitchins will just vacate and move

515
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,799
up because Walter Waite's more popping. You think he'll try

516
00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:22,799
to stay at one forty.

517
00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:24,759
Speaker 2: Okay, Richardson Hitchins at one hundred and forty with a

518
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:27,680
title makes seven figures. Richardson Hitchins with no title at

519
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,359
one forty seven is just the guy in a cart.

520
00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: There you go, there's the answer to that. Stay tuned

521
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,119
on when they are able to reschedule. Now that Gary

522
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,440
Antwin Russell fight did come off. When we left the

523
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,400
Peeps the Savages, we were wondering if Hirioka, the Japanese

524
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,920
fighter was going to get in the country on the visa.

525
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,400
He did, they had to fight Russell Wins give me

526
00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:50,839
your your insight on that.

527
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,039
Speaker 2: On the victory, well, like you said, he was this

528
00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:56,359
is a long time coming this fight. He's the mandatory

529
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,200
challenger who was supposed to take place in the fall

530
00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:01,559
on the what would have been the the Tank Davis

531
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,319
against Jake Paul fight that got canceled, So the fight,

532
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,880
as one of the PBC parts of that event were

533
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,640
called off. So they had to wait until this card

534
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,519
to put it back together. And then he had the

535
00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:13,759
problem with the visa. Thankfully he got the visa, but

536
00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:15,880
you're still kind of thinking yourself, Oh shit, he's got it.

537
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,920
But now he's not even getting to Vegas till Thursday.

538
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:21,440
This is coming all the way from Japan. That's like

539
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,160
a long freaking trip, you know, with you know, with

540
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,000
time zones, and you're trying to make weight. In me,

541
00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:27,559
you're like, it's just kind of like in your mind,

542
00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:30,599
I'm thinking it's a recipe for disaster. What's what's he

543
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,440
gonna be like? And early on it looked like it

544
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,480
wasn't much because the first first of all, he's a

545
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,160
lot taller than and than Gary Antoine Russell, and that

546
00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:40,960
was obvious. He was a much longer fighter than dary Antoine.

547
00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:46,079
And for the first probably six seven rounds, it was

548
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,640
a horrible fight to watch. I mean, nothing happened as

549
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,599
six rounds. I guess you had Gary Russell trying to

550
00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:53,200
get on the inside and rough them up and go

551
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,200
to the body, and he was doing what he should do.

552
00:24:55,519 --> 00:25:00,119
But Heroca was as anti fighting. He was like di

553
00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:02,319
violence that that first five six rounds, like he just

554
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,039
didn't want to be part of the fight. He threw

555
00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:06,799
a few jabs, he moved around and just never engaged

556
00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:09,319
at all. And then suddenly mid fight he starts to

557
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,960
explode and starts going after Gary Russell on the entire

558
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,400
fight change. So Gary dominated basically, not because he was

559
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:17,440
doing damage so much, but he was just easily winning

560
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,240
the rounds because he was at least doing something and

561
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,240
Heroka was doing absolutely nothing. And so you know, it

562
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:24,799
was about out of the realm to have him up

563
00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:27,039
five to nothing, maybe five, you know, four to one

564
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,200
something like that after the first five rounds. But then

565
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,119
Heroka really started to make a big time comeback. So

566
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,880
he did really well the second half and it went

567
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,440
from an unwatchable piece of shit fight to a very

568
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,359
interesting fight. Those last you know, the second half of

569
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,720
the bout, I think Heroka just ran out of rounds

570
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:44,160
and uh, you know didn't. There was just not enough

571
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,559
time to catch up. So now the official scorecards were

572
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:50,000
one seventeen to one ten, one sixteen to one eleven twice.

573
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:52,599
So I thought that Gary was absolutely the winner of

574
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,200
the fight. But I felt like those were a slightly

575
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,319
maybe you got a little bamboo now, you know, you

576
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,400
saw how good Gary looked in the first rounds and

577
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,880
you kind of you don't, you didn't let the you

578
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,839
didn't catch up to what was really happening in the fight,

579
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,559
which was Heroica coming on, you know, going to the

580
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:11,480
body and banging Gary around a little bit had him

581
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:14,160
hurt a couple of times. There was a point deduction

582
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,960
for what was a I mean there's low blows and

583
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,759
then there's Andrew Gillotta low blows. This was a dick shot. Okay,

584
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:22,920
this was a really bad so he got he got

585
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,480
hit low. I forget what round it was. I want

586
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,400
to say to be like the the tenth or eleventh round.

587
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,839
He got hit very he got hit low. He got

588
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,880
he got a stern, stern warning from the referee, Allen Hudgens,

589
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,880
and then a few minutes, you know, a few seconds

590
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,799
later or whatever in the round he went lower. And

591
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,359
I don't think it was on purpose because he's so

592
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,359
much taller than Gary. He was kind of reaching down

593
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,240
to kind of throw what would look like sort of

594
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,480
like an uppercut type of shot. But he caught him

595
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,119
way but not just like on the belt line, not

596
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,319
in the groin area. He caught him like almost underneath

597
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,440
his balls. Yeah, that's how low thet was and Gary

598
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,400
went down on the ground. I mean that's how he

599
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:58,759
was hurt by that. It was a brutal, brutal shot.

600
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:01,880
This was round ten. There was probably about forty seconds

601
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,920
left when he went down on the mat. Now Gary

602
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,839
got some time to recover. Uh But but Huggins, after

603
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,359
having warned him sternly for the first knockdout our first

604
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,200
on low blow, took a point because it was that

605
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,960
of it. That was such an egregious low blow that

606
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,000
you know Gary's probably singing, you know, alto these days. Uh,

607
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,680
it was. It was bad, and then he ended up

608
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,960
finishing the fight and he won the decision. It was,

609
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,839
like I said, it was a tale of two fights.

610
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,079
The first half was unwatchable because of Heroka. The second

611
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,079
half was way better, highly entertaining, and the right guy

612
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,799
won the fight. And you know, Gary makes a successful

613
00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:38,519
first title defense. Uh, he's in the picture in a

614
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:40,400
very deep weight class that has a lot of good names.

615
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,319
You know, he wants to unify. That was what he said.

616
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,200
You know. He basically was like, you know, he's friendly

617
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,000
with cha course Stevenson. They'd known each other for years,

618
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,240
they sparred together. He's like, I let me get a

619
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,720
unification with either Dalton Smith, who's the BC champion, or Hitchins,

620
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,400
who's the IBF champion if he sticks around, and then

621
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,160
I'll take on Shaquor and we can, you know, do

622
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,880
it for the unification, you know, for the all the

623
00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,519
all the marbles.

624
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: This is vi that Gary will fight more than once

625
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,440
a year, which he hasn't done in need the last

626
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,400
three calendar years.

627
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: Well he should have thought twice last year. Wasn't his

628
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:06,759
fault at.

629
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: The time, I'm saying what he should have done. I'm

630
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,480
saying the last three years, one fight a year. We

631
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,039
got to get him back in the ring. It's only fun.

632
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: What I'm saying too, is he had a second fight

633
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:15,640
last year scheduled in November and it was canceled, no

634
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,319
one to no reason for him. Wasn't his fault that

635
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,839
was canceled. That was because of his boy Tank Davis

636
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:24,039
getting kicked off the show. But anyway, shaquer was there

637
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:27,960
at the fight. He was doing some punditry work for

638
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,480
Dezone on the broadcast and their respect for each other,

639
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:32,799
and I could that's a fight that could happen in

640
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,640
down the road. I doubt it, And certainly I don't

641
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,000
think Gary's going to get a fight with Hitchin's or

642
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,160
Adulton Smith anytime soon. But I can appreciate the desire

643
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,160
to want to fight the best guys. And look, Gary's

644
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,480
a really talented fight He was it Olympian, you know,

645
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,880
his one loss was very close. You know, I'd like

646
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,640
to see him back in the ring against an opponent

647
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,880
that will fight more like Heroka did in the second

648
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,200
half of the fight than did in the first half

649
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:54,599
of the fight.

650
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,279
Speaker 1: Okay, give me the rest of the rundown on the card,

651
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,079
the ghost Frank Martin a draw in this fight, Beck

652
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,119
the bully of Victory. What else saw off the undercard

653
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:05,519
real quick before we move along here?

654
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: Well, Frank Martin not here. Albright was sort of like

655
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:10,240
on paper for me, and I think for a lot

656
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,440
of people that know these two guys, was sort of

657
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,720
like the sleeper fight, Like you're like, that's gonna be

658
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:16,799
a pretty good fight. And I actually tweeted that right

659
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:18,319
before the fight when they were doing the intros, like

660
00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:20,240
this is going to be probably, I think it's going

661
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:22,400
to be a good fight. It turned out, in my estimation,

662
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,519
really maybe the best fight of the night. I mean,

663
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,160
very very good fight. It turned out to be a draw,

664
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,160
but plenty of action. Both guys showed a lot of heart.

665
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,200
Both guys did a lot of work, really entertaining fight.

666
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,559
Both guys talked about being open to doing a rematch.

667
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,119
You had. It wasn't a split draw, it wasn't a

668
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:41,079
majority draw. It was all three judges ninety five ninety five.

669
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:42,960
I didn't look at the scorecard to see the exact

670
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,119
if they all scored all ten rounds the same, but

671
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,559
if all three judges came out in ninety five ninety five,

672
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,480
I put out right before they announced the decision that

673
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,000
in my opinion, this fight was probably absolutely could be

674
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:54,920
a draw. If it's not a draw, maybe you give

675
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,000
it to Frank Martin by a round. I felt like

676
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:59,640
he kind of maybe eked it out a little bit.

677
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,640
But there there's no question it was close. Neither guy,

678
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,799
you know, they both they always say like I thought

679
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,119
he won the fight, but it wasn't like strenuous. Both

680
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,359
guys like, I'll do the rematch. And you know what, Albright,

681
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,160
you know, isn't as well known maybe as Frank Marty

682
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,960
had the kind of hype that Frank had. But Martin,

683
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,079
you know, he gave a solid fight to Keishon Davis

684
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,440
as an unknown guy. That's a loss that's looking better.

685
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,640
That was, of course, the fight that became ultimately a

686
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,759
no contest due to the positive marijuana test that Keishan

687
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:27,559
had back a couple of years ago. So hopefully they'll

688
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:29,599
do the fight again. I like the matchup, I thought

689
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:31,960
Frank this was his second fight since being a full

690
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,559
time junior Walter Wade. He looked awesome when he came

691
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,119
up to the way class and at lightweight. He got

692
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,759
knocked out badly by by Tank Davison, a title shot,

693
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,680
took about eighteen months off, came back in December, had

694
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,799
a sensational knockout on the undercard when it was Lamont

695
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,839
Roach against Pittbull and just splattered Rancis Barthellomy. And you're like,

696
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,799
oh my goodness, he didn't fight that well. But but

697
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,599
they hear Albright is a fresher fighter than Brantis Barthellmy.

698
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,720
So I I still think though that he can be

699
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:04,200
a factor at one forty and seeing the way Albright

700
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:07,279
fought there, even though he's as not as heralded, let's say,

701
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:10,079
as Martin like here, Albright will give a lot of

702
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,920
highest problems. Man. He's a very solid fighter. He seems

703
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,680
like he got a good chin, a good fighting spirit,

704
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,799
and then the best part is in his interview after

705
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,720
he was done talking to Chris Mannix. He he he

706
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:25,119
said he was like the Philadelphia version of Tyson Fury

707
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,920
broke out into like singing a love song. It was hilarious.

708
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:30,559
So he's he's got a little bit of a little

709
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:32,319
charisma to him also, So that was that was the

710
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,400
best fight on the car. Now you mentioned about beck

711
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,039
Timir Belkuzia. Now he went into this fight as already

712
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:42,279
the WBA's mandatory challenger at super middleweight. He had won

713
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,519
an elimination fight against Darius Fulgrum in his previous fight

714
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:47,880
that was a very good fight, and now they put

715
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,440
him in what was really like a showcase fight, a

716
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,960
tune up fight, if you will, against a guy that was,

717
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,960
you know, in shape and strong, but just not gonna

718
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,240
be there at the end of the fight. Most likely

719
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:02,240
that was sene Beco, and uh, you know, beck took

720
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:04,559
him apart and stopped him. Uh, it kind of went

721
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,599
as I expect. It wasn't a particularly good fight, but

722
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,480
at the end of the day, he got the knockout

723
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,200
and he keeps his his mandatory position. He did suffer

724
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,920
a couple of cuts, so we'll see how long that's

725
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,759
gonna keep him out. And then you get to the

726
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,240
to the part of the card where he had some

727
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:19,240
of the prospects. Now Golden Boy has a kid named

728
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,359
Amari Jones. Uh at one point was a big part

729
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,599
of the Devin Hainey camp. He's trained by Virgil Hunter

730
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,279
out of Oakland, California. He's a middleweight, really good looking prospect.

731
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,200
He's got the same manager as Virginal Artises with Rick

732
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,680
Marigey in that team. He looked really really good like

733
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,000
he fought uh luis Arius. Now louis Arius is a

734
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,160
steppingstone kind of opponent. He's had a lot of experience

735
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,680
against good guys. Had only previously been stopped once though

736
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,559
in his in his like four or five losses, he

737
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,519
got clipped by Ericson Lubin back three four years ago.

738
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,319
Uh So when Amari Joneson going there and not only

739
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,559
deliver a beat down but also get the stoppage, uh

740
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:57,200
that you know they stopped it on the on the

741
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,839
in the corner. Uh it was that's a really good performance.

742
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:02,480
After the fourth round they stopped, he just gave him

743
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,200
an absolute beating. So Jones is I mean, he's in

744
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,960
a position where you can say he's he's now sixteen

745
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,400
and oh with fourteen knockouts. He's only twenty three. So

746
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,000
is he a contender? Is he is he a rising prospect?

747
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: What do you say? What do you have him as

748
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:18,559
prospect than contender?

749
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: Still, he's probably still like at the tail end of

750
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,960
prospect diness. If you will, you know he I think

751
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:26,519
he needs.

752
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: Like don king word on.

753
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:32,359
Speaker 2: I'd like to see him get another fight against a

754
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,720
similarly reputable, like tough, like known opponent. I'm not talking

755
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,000
about like a top ten guy, but somebody that's experienced,

756
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,400
that's durable, that that knows how to handle himself. Let

757
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,680
him see another similar type of opponent. If you can

758
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,599
do that again, then I'm like, you know what this

759
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,079
kid is going places again. He's very young. He have

760
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,200
some good amateur times. But the thing about it that's

761
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,240
so interesting if you if you like the style that

762
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:58,759
he fight and it was crowd pleasing. He's in the

763
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,519
middleweight division. We've talked endlessly for as long as we've

764
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:05,000
done this podcast about how fucking shitty the middleweight division

765
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,920
in general is. So anybody that can come in with

766
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,800
talent and some interesting style in which they fight, can

767
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,559
maybe make some noise in a decrepit division. So I think,

768
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:18,039
you know, in the next couple of fights, Amaro Jones

769
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:19,440
could be right there knocking on the door of a

770
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,559
title fight in this weight class. So that was that

771
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:23,159
was good to see. And then you had a couple

772
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,599
other fights on the show. You had the Saudi Arabian

773
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,840
junior lightweight Mohammed Alakal, who has looked good in terms

774
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,760
of his technical ability, but is not showing a lot

775
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,079
of punching power. He came into the fight seven and

776
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,840
zero two with one knockout. Now he leaves eight to

777
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,079
zero with two knockouts. He looked good. I got a

778
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,199
second und knockout against you know, just a regular kind

779
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,039
of opponent. He trains with Abel Sanchez, who's, you know,

780
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:45,840
obviously a well known top Hall of Fame level trainer.

781
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,159
He's been on the Hall of Fame ballot for years.

782
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,719
He's a worthy candidate, and he got the knockout. He's

783
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,880
very young, he's only twenty one, and he's one of

784
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,599
the couple of Saudi Arabian fighters that the read season

785
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,639
in Sela and Turkey al Chic are bringing along that

786
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,920
would love nothing more than the FI a championship level

787
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,039
fighter from their country that they can feature on their

788
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:07,559
big shows, and they're getting him his exposure. And you know,

789
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:09,559
the kid looked good, so good for him. And then

790
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:12,440
in the opening fight of the card, h this was

791
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,519
a huge disappointment. If you ask me, you have the

792
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:17,360
heavyweight Olympian from twenty twenty four from the United States,

793
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,280
from Houston, Texas, a guy named Joshua Edwards. Now, he

794
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,119
came into the fight five and zero with five knockouts,

795
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,199
and he looked pretty good. As a professional. I remember

796
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:26,760
when I We've talked about him a couple of times.

797
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,920
I watched it in the Olympics. I was wholly unimpressed.

798
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:30,840
But as a pro he's looked, you know, much more

799
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,960
dynamic and pretty interesting. And they matched him up with

800
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,840
my new favorite fighter, Brandon cal Antonio with the mullet

801
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:39,360
and the harry and the and the chest hair. He's

802
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,000
twenty nine, who looks like he's about thirty five, looks

803
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:43,480
like he used to be like he's like he looks

804
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,119
like a guy that in the old nineteen seventies cigarette

805
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,639
Yes magazine ads.

806
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: Or perhaps out of the movie slap Shot for Exac

807
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:51,400
Old School hockey.

808
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 2: With God God bless Brandon cal Antonia looked like he's

809
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,400
in a He's a guy from Canada. Looked like he

810
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,199
was going to get knocked out about the first round,

811
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,039
just based on the way he looked. I gave Edwards

812
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:03,599
a tough, solid fight. He lost every round. I actually

813
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:05,079
thought he could have won one round in there, but

814
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,639
the three judges scored at fifty sixty to fifty four.

815
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,280
But he went and he made Joshua Edwards show that

816
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,440
he is not yet ready for primetime or even close to.

817
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,599
It took him the sixth round distance. It's the first

818
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:20,360
time he went the distance in his professional career. Hopefully

819
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,760
from the Edwards perspective, to learn and grow from that

820
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,119
particular fight. And you know what, call Antonio ain't ever

821
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:27,920
going to be a world champ. He's not going to

822
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,559
be a contender. But you know what, if you got

823
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:31,320
a guy that's a young heavyweight that you want to

824
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,159
give a test to, you bring me this guy and

825
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,199
let me see him, because he was he had a

826
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,400
good style. He gave a great interview after the fight.

827
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:39,599
He deserved to be interviewed after that fight, the effort

828
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:41,320
he gave. So he's my guy.

829
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: Now love that? All right? Let's get to the British

830
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:52,519
main event, which was the Junior Lightweight Showdown Lee Wood

831
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,559
Josh Warrington rematch one by Lee Wood. It was the

832
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:58,800
match Room de Own main event, great atmosphere in Nottingham, England.

833
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,159
These are two well known British fighters. Warrington again had retired,

834
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:09,840
had unretired, Wood had previously beaten him. Full confession. I

835
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,480
had a bunch of stuff going on on Saturday. I've

836
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:14,599
seen I've read your substack, I've seen the highlights of

837
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:17,119
the fight. It looked to me like Wood was mostly

838
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:20,239
in control, although his face was marked up some at

839
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,440
the especially right eye, right cheekbone, right eye. What are

840
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,480
your thoughts on the Warrington win? And it's interesting because

841
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:31,239
both guys came out of the fight saying maybe this

842
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,960
is it again, including Lee Wood.

843
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: Go ahead, yeah, well these are, like you said, they're

844
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,159
two well known fighters in the UK. For sure. They

845
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:40,000
both fought a lot of good guys. They both gave

846
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:43,239
great efforts and had some tremendous big nights and big fights.

847
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,239
They both are two time featherweight title holders. They had

848
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,639
a fight back in twenty twenty three, so it's been

849
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:52,360
about two and a half years since their first fight.

850
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,039
Leewood was a defending WBA champion going into that fight.

851
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,559
Warrington was beating his ass through the first five rounds

852
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:01,960
or six rounds, and then you know, he was up

853
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,719
on all three score cards, and in the seventh round,

854
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,599
Lee Wood rallied and scored a knockout, and so it

855
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:10,599
was a big win for him, down on the three cards,

856
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:13,000
and there was a lot of conversation right then that

857
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,920
they're going to have a rematch. It didn't happen immediately.

858
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,519
They both kind of took some time off, they both

859
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:18,920
went their separate ways. They both ended up losing to

860
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,679
Anthony Kissachi. They both moved up in wait the Warranton.

861
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:28,119
As you mentioned, a very brief retirement. Lee Wood is

862
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:30,360
a little is he's a little older than him, but

863
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,960
it felt like he had a little more left in

864
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,360
the tank, if you will. But anyway, they made the

865
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,599
rematch and it was in Wood's hometown this time. They

866
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:39,519
sold the place outs, like about eight thousand people at

867
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:41,800
this arena, but it sounded if you're watching on the

868
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,039
TV about you know, twenty thousand, which help you know,

869
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,360
both of both of the fans that support would and

870
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,960
this The fans that support Warranton have been great through

871
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,199
the years. I'm sure that those fans that were there

872
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:54,039
that there was a good amount of people that had

873
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:56,719
made the trip from Leeds, England, which is where Warrington

874
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,920
is from, and it made for, like you said, a

875
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,480
festive atmosphere, but would look really good now he got

876
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:04,320
the knockout. Lee is a good puncher. Uh. He went

877
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,800
the distance in this fight. He won very wide, one

878
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,400
nineteen to one ten on two score cards, one seventeen

879
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,079
to one eleven on the third score card. It was

880
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:16,920
a very crisp performance. It was a very u controlled performance.

881
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,960
He was very disciplined. He didn't get uh you know,

882
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,239
uh let let Warrington get get going really at all.

883
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:27,719
He was much faster than than Josh was and he

884
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,519
just really put it all together. So when you talked

885
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:31,400
about like after the fight, when both guys are sort

886
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,280
of asked to assess their future, neither guy would commit.

887
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,440
Now the way that Warrington spoke, he was like, I'm

888
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,559
not going to make any rass decisions, which I can appreciate.

889
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:40,960
I hate when fighters say in the ring I'm going

890
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,880
to retire because it's never usually true.

891
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: Remember he famous to think about it. He famously waved

892
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,239
goodbye to the crowd, his gloves off, left the gloves

893
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,239
in the ring, you know, the poetic goodbye, and he's

894
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,440
fighting again six or eight months later exactly.

895
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,159
Speaker 2: So let him take some time to think about to

896
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,199
talk it over with him, with himself, with his team,

897
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:00,239
with his family, and figure out what he wants to do.

898
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,119
I would like to see him retire. I don't think

899
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,079
there's much left for him to do in this sport.

900
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:07,760
It's it's hard, and he's taken some damage, and he's

901
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,599
got some losses now as they mount. For lee Wood though,

902
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,320
coming off of not a long long left but less

903
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,519
than a year. But you know, hasn't really been in

904
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:20,760
the in the mix very much recently. Uh. I mean, granted,

905
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,440
you have to understand who he was against. He was

906
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,280
against a diminished Warrington, so that can maybe elevate the

907
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,320
way he looked. If he's fighting one of the top

908
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,079
guys at junior well lightweight, it might be a different story.

909
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,920
But for what I saw, he still has some speed,

910
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,679
he still had his his uh you know, his technique.

911
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,840
He still was decent on defense. I know he did

912
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,519
get a bloody nose and he did have a little

913
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:42,039
bit on the of marked up on the right eye,

914
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,199
but that that that did not indicate the way he

915
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,719
fought in the fight he got. You know, of course

916
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,440
you're gonna get hit in the boxing match, and Warrington

917
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:51,039
is they can land some solid shots. But I thought

918
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:52,800
we will look as good as he looked in the

919
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,800
last few years. So to me, if if if this

920
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,000
is the end for Warrington, good if Lee. If Lee,

921
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,159
if Lee decides that he wants to retire, also fine.

922
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,039
But certainly Leewood, based on that performance, that victory, his

923
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:10,559
fan base, his punching power, absolutely can line himself up,

924
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:13,599
I'm sure for some kind of meaningful fight in the division.

925
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,320
I think that he could bring another, you know, big

926
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,199
event to his hometown. Certainly, you know, make a big

927
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:21,000
fight with one of the other top guys. If you

928
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:22,800
take a look in the division, I'll give you an example.

929
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,719
So next week, and we'll do this on our preview

930
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,920
show later in the week, we got a great unification

931
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,320
fight between Navarette and nunyez Es for the IBF and

932
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,639
the WBO title. That Troom Boxing is the promoter of

933
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:38,159
that card. They are the promoter also of Nunyez they're

934
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:40,840
also the promoter of Lee Wood. Obviously they could theoretically

935
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,719
make a match with Nunya's Visa win or even Navarete

936
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,559
because they're doing business with top rank on that show.

937
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,199
Now you look at the other guy who needs a fight,

938
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,159
that's a WBC champion, Oshaki Foster. He's with top rank,

939
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:53,360
which was not a deal. You don't think that maybe

940
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,599
they could convince Oshaki Foster to with the right paycheck

941
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:59,440
to go fight Leewood in Nottingham, England and you know

942
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,320
and give him a title shot. Uh, based on that performance,

943
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,480
I can see that. I don't think that's crazy. I mean,

944
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,119
neither guy's got some kind of obvious fight out there.

945
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,079
I know Foster, they're looking for something. So if Wood

946
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:15,440
wants to continue, by all means, you know, yeah, there

947
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,199
are I can see. I can see that. Warrington sounded

948
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,400
like he's probably gonna, you know, call him to day.

949
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,760
He did say, you know, he thanked everybody, and it

950
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:24,880
felt like a farewell speech. I mean though he wasn't

951
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,199
going to make that decision right away in the ring,

952
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,519
so you know, all in all, for a one sided decision,

953
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:32,400
it was a pretty good fight and uh, you know,

954
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,199
glad to see if they got the rematch going after

955
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,880
you know, the demand for it after the first fight,

956
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,880
and uh, you know that was that.

957
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: Okay, we have fulfilled the recap portion of things. Now

958
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,599
we get to some juicy stuff with the news and

959
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:47,960
what's been going on since last you and I talked.

960
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:50,400
Do you want me to say at the beginning or

961
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,000
at the middle or both are? Do you know? You

962
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:55,880
know what I'm gonna say about Floyd Mayweather and Mike

963
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,559
Tyson Floyd Mayweather and Mike Tyson being officially announced for

964
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:00,760
an exit or whatever.

965
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: This is? No, that was not that was that was

966
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,519
that's already been announced. This was not that the news

967
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:05,320
was not the announcement.

968
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but I mean they're now going to fight.

969
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,639
That is going to happen, yea. And Floyd wants to

970
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:13,559
come back and have real fights at forty nine years

971
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,480
of age. What are we doing here? I mean we

972
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:19,840
talked about it, bro, we talked about the lawsuit with showtime,

973
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,800
But are we seriously going to see Floyd Mayweather get

974
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,960
in there? And don't boxing commissions come in? They will

975
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,159
at some point. This is for down the road on

976
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,559
you're forty nine years old, who are we gonna let

977
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:33,599
you be in the ring with is it mankiw?

978
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: There's gonna be like if you tried to do a fight,

979
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,119
let's say in Vegas or some other states. They do

980
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:41,960
have more comprehensive medicals that you have to pass as

981
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:42,920
an older fighter in the.

982
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,559
Speaker 1: Age range has to be similar, which we've seen fights

983
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:47,880
rejected for that in the past.

984
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: But it's they in the that of for example, they

985
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,599
based it on not only age, but the number of

986
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,039
rounds you've had h So there is some uh examination

987
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,880
of your record in that respect. The PAQW fight is

988
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,719
absolutely possibly they're it's about the same age Floyd's gonna have.

989
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,079
Supposedly this spring exhibition against Tyson, Manny is going to

990
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:06,880
have the exhibition that we talked about last week against

991
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,599
pro Vadnikov. They're both within a few weeks of each other.

992
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,039
And if they both come out of those exhibitions, it's

993
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:16,119
not out of them, you know. Yeah, hold on, Mayweather

994
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:17,800
Pack you have too on Netflix this fall.

995
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Are we seriously eleven years later talking about this with

996
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:23,159
both of these guys in their upper forties, I don't know.

997
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:25,679
Fortune Yeah, apparently we are.

998
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:29,519
Speaker 2: But the story was not the Tyson exhibition, although they

999
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:32,960
haven't one hundred percent announced the date and the specific site,

1000
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,039
although it's rumored for April and Africa, I think in

1001
00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:40,199
like Congo or something. The announcement that was made on

1002
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,039
Friday was that Mayweather, after the Tyson Exhibition, is coming

1003
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:47,039
out of retirement fight yeah, to put his fifty to

1004
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,239
oh record on the line. He turns forty nine years old,

1005
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,719
by the way, on Tuesday, so he'll be, you know,

1006
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,280
one year closer to his you know, will he be

1007
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,000
fifty years old going in the ring at fifty and oh?

1008
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:01,719
I mean it is what it is. It's not the

1009
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:02,280
first time, but.

1010
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: Is like walking around weight seventy or eighty pounds heavier

1011
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,159
than Floyd Mayweather. First of all, that what are what Tyson?

1012
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:11,840
What are we doing here.

1013
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: With the exhibition? Aspect of the Tyson thing, to me

1014
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:16,719
is not that interesting. It's the fact that Mayweather would

1015
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,239
actually put his actual official record on the line, after

1016
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:24,079
preserving it for so many years and being so proud

1017
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:26,679
of retiring at fifty to zho a nice glossy round number,

1018
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,360
to then a decade after his retirement from official fights,

1019
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,800
ending with Connor McGregor in twenty seventeen to come back

1020
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,480
and risk that, because even at forty nine, you know

1021
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:40,920
there's a very good chance you might lose. I mean,

1022
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:42,920
it's can depend on who he fights. But you know,

1023
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,079
things happen when you get that age. I mean, I saw,

1024
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,199
you know, Bernard Hopkins was in his fifties, he got

1025
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,400
knocked out of the ring, I mean Smith. So Floyd

1026
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,920
coming back is uh, say whatever you want. There'll be

1027
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,159
a lot of intrigue. More so, he's had eight previous

1028
00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:58,800
exhibition matches, by the way, the Tyson Exhibition will be

1029
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,960
his ninths. But there's been very little interest in most Yes,

1030
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:05,559
but Floyd in an actual fight risking fifty to zero,

1031
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:09,280
whether it's against Pakia or some other reputable opponent, you know,

1032
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,239
that's a different story.

1033
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,519
Speaker 1: All right, stay tuned. Now we get to a juicy

1034
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,800
part of the news, and that is the news that

1035
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:23,639
came out what on Friday, yep, that Connor Benn has

1036
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:30,840
decided to ink with ZUFA boxing. Hmm. Very interesting on

1037
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,199
several fronts. And I've been reading your substack. I've been

1038
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,840
reading a lot of the reporting, been listening to Connor

1039
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,480
Binn's comments in statements that he's made I don't know

1040
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,519
if he did an on an on camera interview or

1041
00:46:41,559 --> 00:46:45,079
an audio interview. Eddie Hearn has obviously been out there.

1042
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:48,800
I did not hear what he said on the dizone broadcast,

1043
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,920
but I've read his comments and using the word betrayal

1044
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:55,679
as he's left Matchroom Boxing. All right, get to the

1045
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,480
particulars and then I'm on the launching pad about ZUFA

1046
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:04,679
Boxing and Dana White and all the hypocrisy every which directions.

1047
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,599
So go ahead first with the pertinent stuff.

1048
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:10,559
Speaker 2: Go ahead, well, Connor. First things first, Connor Ben fought

1049
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:12,880
the rematch and won against Chris you Bank Junior in

1050
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,519
their second fight, and that he was out of contract

1051
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:18,639
with Matchroom. So it's no different than if you are

1052
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:21,800
a pitcher or a base you know, a hitter. At

1053
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,000
the end of the baseball season, your contract's up. You

1054
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:25,880
go into the free agent market. Same when when the

1055
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,960
basketball for agency uh portion of the of the year

1056
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,400
opens or or anybody NFL, anybody in boxing, their contract

1057
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,920
is up. You know your you have the right to

1058
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,679
go and explore where you want to. You know, uh,

1059
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,760
do your events, do your do your career. Now that

1060
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,719
that was the case, so it came as a surprise

1061
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,280
because he's been so tied to match Room and to Eddie.

1062
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,079
Now there's a couple of things here. One, he took

1063
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:57,880
the deal with with with ZUFA. My reporting is that

1064
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,920
it's a one fight deal with no options and no

1065
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,960
strings attached. One fight will take place in the United

1066
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,159
Kingdom before the end of May. Basically, you know, bring

1067
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:09,320
an opponent, you know, somebody reputable, but they're not like

1068
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,599
forcing you know, a top guy on them or anything

1069
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:17,119
like that. And uh, it's fifteen million dollars, which is

1070
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,239
life altering money if you're if you're Tyson Fury or

1071
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,079
your Anthony Joshua or your Canelo Alvarez or something like that.

1072
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,679
A fifteen million dollars pay day. I mean, it's a

1073
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,960
lot of money, sure, but it's not.

1074
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,119
Speaker 1: Any Alexander Terrence Crawford that.

1075
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys have made one hundred plus million dollars.

1076
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,000
Connor ben Is in his two fights with you Bank,

1077
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,840
I think made a total of about twenty million, and

1078
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,920
the rest of his career he's made, you know, maybe

1079
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,000
a couple million if you want, so, fifteen million in

1080
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:48,559
one fight where you're not even being required to fight,

1081
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,760
you know, a super top level opponent. That's life altering money.

1082
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,000
So I have no problem with the guy if you're

1083
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:59,079
if you're unencumbered contractually to their sign was only making

1084
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,960
you the biggest offer. Now here's where the things can

1085
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,239
be a little bit or I get where Eddie's coming from.

1086
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,719
To some degree, Eddie's crying disloyalty and he was shocked

1087
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,199
by this, and he made a mistake by not having

1088
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,800
him under contract, et cetera, et cetera. And by the way,

1089
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,880
the engineer of this is, obviously you know Dana Nick Cohn,

1090
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,719
Keith Connelly. He was the manager for Connor Ben.

1091
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: And Turkey Ali Sheik, the money guy.

1092
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: Of course, that's where the money's coming from for sure,

1093
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,239
because he supports the ZUFA business as well as his

1094
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,000
own ring magazine and you know the access to the

1095
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:33,320
Rea season money. Could the Ben camp have handled it

1096
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,880
a little better, Yes, I believe that Mattrim had the

1097
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,639
right to match an offer. I guess they didn't match

1098
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:44,480
the offer, and Eddie was I guess disappointed or sad

1099
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:46,440
in or upset or ticked off, forever you want to

1100
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,920
describe it. It's one thing if you leave, it's another

1101
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,480
thing if you leave and you don't even have the

1102
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:56,559
courtesy to make the phone call and say listen, Eddie,

1103
00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:00,440
I just got this unbelievable offer, and I you, and

1104
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:02,480
I appreciate everything you have done for me and my

1105
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:05,920
family over the last ten years, standing beside my yep,

1106
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,239
beside me and my family through all of my problems,

1107
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:14,239
through my drug testing nightmare where everybody ridiculed me, and

1108
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,519
you for standing by me, and you really went to

1109
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:18,119
the mat for me, you know.

1110
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: The British media, the British media has reported this. He

1111
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,880
allegedly fronted Connor Bean advanced him some money while he

1112
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:27,639
was suspended.

1113
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,679
Speaker 2: That's what he didn't have to do, correct, So when

1114
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,360
Connor was broke basically that's right.

1115
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: Well, the suspension was going.

1116
00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 2: On and such legal bills related to the case. So

1117
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,639
it's no problem if you are a free agent to

1118
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:43,079
go on about your business and go elsewhere. But I mean,

1119
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:45,360
I can speak for myself. I know that it is

1120
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,400
if I was in that position, the way that I

1121
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,760
would have done it is I would have called or

1122
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,400
even that face to face and explained to them this

1123
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:56,320
amazing opportunity and said listen, I appreciate it. But and

1124
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,519
you know, if the person is really your friend and

1125
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:00,960
you can really go out there and make way way

1126
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,480
more money and that person can't give you the same offer.

1127
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,199
What do you do? You slap my ney and said, listen, man,

1128
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,039
it's one fight. I wish you nothing but the best,

1129
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:11,039
and when you're done, come back and let's talk.

1130
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: But it's it's boxing, and there's underhanded things that have

1131
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,119
gone on forever.

1132
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: With But the crocodiles here from Eddi though, are a

1133
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:17,960
little bit much.

1134
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: Better well of course, of course, because he got one

1135
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,599
put over on him. And all right, so let's go

1136
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:27,679
through the full chronology of what happened late last week,

1137
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,679
because I only became aware of this like Thursday Friday.

1138
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,840
So Dana White a week ago tonight after the ZUFA

1139
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,400
Boxing third car the FAA jogbamb main event that he won,

1140
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:43,199
and now this all lines up. He starts after talking

1141
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:46,079
about the fights going down the road, about all of

1142
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:48,960
these guys, all of these promoters are such babies. I'm

1143
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,280
beating up on babies. I'm paraphrasing, but he did use

1144
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,039
the word babies.

1145
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: He said, I'm beating up babies.

1146
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,039
Speaker 1: And then he and then he says about Eddie, hearn

1147
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,440
that he's been working for Dad, spending Dad's money. Well,

1148
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:05,360
now it lines up that they knew they were talking

1149
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,000
to and doing a deal. Obviously they didn't maybe have

1150
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:10,159
it last Sunday night, but they were on the verge

1151
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,840
of doing this deal. So the needling there was almost

1152
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,519
like a foreshadowing of what was gonna come later in

1153
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:18,679
a week. And I think that's irked Eddie Hearn even

1154
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,280
more that the insults led to this fighter coming in.

1155
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:26,519
But here I come, Raphael with this. You can't have

1156
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:29,559
all sides of the argument. You can't sit and say

1157
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:33,280
we're gonna revolutionize the sport. We're gonna have our own league.

1158
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:36,960
We're gonna have fighters that only fight for us. We're

1159
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,920
gonna have this and that and our own titles and

1160
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,199
our own rankings, and we're gonna call all the organizations

1161
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,519
evil and wrong, and we're gonna do our own thing.

1162
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:49,400
And then, out of the other side of your mouth,

1163
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,480
as soon as it's in your financial interest and as

1164
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:54,039
soon as Turkey Alashik wants to do it, you do

1165
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:58,280
a one off deal with a fighter who's making ridiculous

1166
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,920
money compared to what everybody else is making. This this

1167
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:04,920
whole thing is hypocrisy. Let me tell you what's going on.

1168
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,360
What's going on is they are a promotional outlet now

1169
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:11,199
not unlike all the other promotional outlets, and when it

1170
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,199
makes sense for them to do a one off deal,

1171
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:16,480
they'll pay that fighter of ten million, twenty million whatever.

1172
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,840
With your reporting, you'll tell us what they're making all

1173
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,679
this stuff about we're gonna stamp out the other boxing

1174
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,920
promotions and the organizations, and we're gonna we're gonna revolutionize boxing.

1175
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:30,079
I don't need the end of the year. You have

1176
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:33,039
the answer right now. They are just like all the

1177
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:36,079
other promoters. When it's in their interest to do a deal,

1178
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,760
they're gonna do a deal just like this for one

1179
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,360
fight with no other further off.

1180
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,679
Speaker 2: But I mean, why would anybody expect anything otherwise.

1181
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,199
Speaker 1: So yeah, because what they have said since this got

1182
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,039
formed is we're not dealing with these other people.

1183
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:51,599
Speaker 2: We're gonna revolution because they're not dealing with.

1184
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: The organizations, and we're gonna revolutionize it. Do our own thing,

1185
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:56,320
our own rankings, our own belts.

1186
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: They but I'm not sure how that's any different.

1187
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: So okay, what this what this demonstrates, What this demonstrates

1188
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,480
is they are no different than top ranked boxing. They're

1189
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,400
no different than Golden Boy.

1190
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,639
Speaker 2: They're no different than the reason why they're different is

1191
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:12,400
because they have actually gotten the United States Congress to

1192
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,760
approve or get on this, and that's not changing the legislation,

1193
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,840
but that's it will make what they do a lot easier.

1194
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: But that's their different argument about whether that should be

1195
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,239
allowed to go on or not. What I'm saying about

1196
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,320
business from a business standpoint.

1197
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,559
Speaker 2: That's good for their business. They are.

1198
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: Right, But this is a boxing promotion that's just going

1199
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:33,840
to do whatever's in their interest and it doesn't have

1200
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,159
anything to do with a zoofa boxing league.

1201
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: What what what? Boxing doesn't do what's in their interest.

1202
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,119
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying to you, So stop talking

1203
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:42,039
to me about.

1204
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 2: How they never said in their interest.

1205
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:46,039
Speaker 1: But I heard the word we're going to revolutionize this,

1206
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:47,719
we're gonna change it, we're gonna bring it under all

1207
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,480
of it. They are the same, TJY are the same.

1208
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,079
Speaker 2: I've covered boxing for a long time. I've seen and

1209
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,360
in the immortal words, and I'm not saying that Zoofa

1210
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,559
is going to be one of these people, because I

1211
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:58,360
actually think they're going to be able to be around

1212
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,199
a long time because of the combination of their platform,

1213
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,239
their financing, and the intelligent people that run it. But

1214
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:07,280
there's plenty of promoters that have come in talking the

1215
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,360
same way that ZUFA had done and throw a lot

1216
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,599
of money around and been gone in lickety splits, stayed

1217
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:13,519
they're gonna be able to.

1218
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have no idea if they're

1219
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,000
going to be around. What I do know is Turkey

1220
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:19,239
alsk has the money. The Saudi PI.

1221
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: Don't forget they're getting like one hundred million.

1222
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: They are, but they they will burn through that money

1223
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,960
doing deals like this in a hurry on their own

1224
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:26,920
without Turkey Aloshik.

1225
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 2: But I guarantee you, okay, I can guarantee you that

1226
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,000
it is crazy to pay a Connor ben fifteen million

1227
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:36,400
for a regular fighting. I know. I don't know what

1228
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,480
the reason is, but I know there is a reason

1229
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,639
because I know the people that run ZUFA and they're

1230
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,599
smart business people. Okay, Well, can anyone who will underestimate

1231
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,960
Nick Kahn. I'm not their own peril.

1232
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:50,639
Speaker 1: All I'm saying to you is enough with the whole

1233
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,800
we're gonna revolutionize it. We're gone that The second thing

1234
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,760
is and this is the ancestual part of all of this.

1235
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:01,119
Turkey Ala Sheik has what he's doing with Rion Season,

1236
00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:03,719
the Saudi Entertainment Authority and putting these fight cards on

1237
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,480
like what just happened in Las Vegas and what happened

1238
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,199
with the other ring fight card uh late in the

1239
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:15,039
year last year, and he's and that's correct, right. So

1240
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:19,280
now now you're in the nebulous confusing thing that this

1241
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,199
is him making deals under the ZUFA umbrella too, and

1242
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,159
it's all the same thing he's behind.

1243
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 2: By the way, it's a way around this for them,

1244
00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:31,480
so they can at least keep to their word in

1245
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:36,039
quotes of not dealing with the organizations, but they will

1246
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:39,199
if they sign an Opataia like they're gonna do.

1247
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: Which they did, which, by the way, helped me while

1248
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,679
I'm here, because you just jogged me. You do the

1249
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,719
best at anybody at finding this out. Is Opataia on

1250
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,440
a multi fight deal or is this fight March the

1251
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:50,119
eighth of one off?

1252
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: He's signed a multi fight deal?

1253
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: Okay, very good, But here's the here's the point.

1254
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:57,079
Speaker 2: That I'm gonna make though. If Turkey al Chik his

1255
00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:01,480
his side, they're the ones funding ZUFA Boxing. Besides you

1256
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:03,440
know the one hundred mil that they get from Paramount.

1257
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:06,840
He also, of course is involved with everything related to

1258
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,239
their ring and real season events. So the way that

1259
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,559
you can be ZUFA Boxing stick to what you said

1260
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:14,000
you're gonna do with your so called league is have

1261
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,039
the ability to that outs. And I don't think there's

1262
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:18,280
a I think this is a good thing. Actually, if

1263
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,000
you sign a Jaio Pataya, he's not gonna only be

1264
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:24,559
within the confines of ZUFA. He'll be able to go

1265
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:26,639
and fight on a ring card. He'll be able to

1266
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:28,599
go fight on a Read season, which means they can

1267
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:31,239
make deals because ZUFA, I mean not sorry Read Season

1268
00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:33,840
and ring magazine. The one good thing about Turkey is

1269
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,960
he'll work with other promoters. Okay, the card hold on Chakartifimata,

1270
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:38,599
I got you.

1271
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,039
Speaker 1: He's been. He's been dealing with Bevil, he's been dealing

1272
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:43,400
with U Sick, he's been Tyson Fury with all of it.

1273
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,440
But here we come back to the main point, which

1274
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:51,400
is they are the same. And the reason why UFC

1275
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,519
has succeeded to the point that they have succeeded is

1276
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,280
that all of the money funnels into one organization. The

1277
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,719
fighters are essentially salary capped making X and we've seen

1278
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,599
fighter after fighters screaming about fighter pay out of UFC.

1279
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,760
There's been lawsuits involved in a couple of them are

1280
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:16,360
still ongoing judgment. This is the reason, right Connor McGregor

1281
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,280
fought that fight with Floyd Mayweather because he made as

1282
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,599
much money, if not more, in the one night with

1283
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,079
Mayweather than he made the entire time he's been in.

1284
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:25,119
Speaker 2: UFC, much more.

1285
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: This is this is the reason why the UH the

1286
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:34,800
fighters should be skeptical about the model that was previously

1287
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,800
used because it's going to cap their money. And I'm

1288
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,880
just I'm gonna sit back and watch all of this,

1289
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:40,760
but we're we're already here.

1290
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: And you're not capping Connor Ben's money. It's not right.

1291
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,679
Speaker 1: And so then and so then what happens is once

1292
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:48,679
the word gets out on how much you're paying these guys,

1293
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:50,679
you're going to have a harder time with the salary

1294
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:52,719
cap with some of the other fears that because you're.

1295
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:56,079
Speaker 2: A guy like an Opataia that's a major league world champion,

1296
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:57,960
or a guy like a Connor Ben who doesn't have

1297
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,119
a lot of accomplishment. But as a superstar, whether you

1298
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:02,679
like it or not, they're gonna be getting more money.

1299
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,280
They deserve more money than a guidance.

1300
00:59:04,519 --> 00:59:06,079
Speaker 1: They can get right, but they can get more money

1301
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:08,159
from Turkey alas Sheik without being in zoop of boxing.

1302
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:10,039
They can just do their one offs, do their fight deal.

1303
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:12,360
So let's just watch all of this unfold. I'm just

1304
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:15,039
sitting back laughing at the hypocrisy.

1305
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,119
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying it. I don't. I don't care for the

1306
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,920
for the constant back and forth between hearing Matt, you know,

1307
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:24,639
Eddie and Oscar de la Hoya and Dana ripping each other,

1308
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:27,039
that's tiresome. I don't. I don't. To me, it's boring.

1309
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,440
But what I do find interesting is the arms race,

1310
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,199
if you will. In the end, it's gonna probably end

1311
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,840
up being good for the fighters because of course multiple

1312
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:35,760
there's competition.

1313
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: The last three years on the highest end has been

1314
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,199
phenomenal with Turkey Alaschic, and again we should illuminate this

1315
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,320
for the audience because I have understanding outside of boxing,

1316
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,039
like you look at the Live Golf League sure where

1317
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:50,320
they have lost hundreds of millions of dollars signing all

1318
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,079
of those prominent golfers with a business plan that is

1319
00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:57,079
not obligated to make any money, they can just lose

1320
00:59:57,239 --> 01:00:00,199
hundreds of millions of dollars. They tried a sig. They

1321
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:03,039
still have a Saudi soccer league, and they signed Cristiano

1322
01:00:03,159 --> 01:00:06,599
Ronaldo to that soccer league to a one hundred million

1323
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:08,599
dollar deal at the end of his career to place

1324
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:12,679
two soccer seasons Rayfael fifty million a year. That league

1325
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,199
doesn't make anything. They're just losing money.

1326
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,239
Speaker 2: But when they spend that kind of money, it's like

1327
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,000
if you and I went and spent, like, you know,

1328
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:22,559
we had like a ten dollar breaklest.

1329
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:24,039
Speaker 1: No, yeah, but it's not a ten dollar breakfast. But

1330
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,599
still it's ridiculous money for the fighters, and that's good.

1331
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,559
The free market is good. This is the reason why

1332
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:32,639
constricting the fighters under an umbrella and saying where you're

1333
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:34,599
a promoter, where you're a manager, you'll make what we

1334
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:36,599
say that you're making, and that's it, and we have

1335
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:39,239
long term deals with you that you have to sign

1336
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:39,760
or else.

1337
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 2: I think what everybody I think what everybody has to

1338
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,559
do when they look at the ZUFA situation is you

1339
01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:48,719
just have to understand that there's one sort of boxer.

1340
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,079
You know, young guys still trying to make their way,

1341
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:54,360
or even older veterans that are maybe on the way out.

1342
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:56,480
You know, you can talk about some of the prospect

1343
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,440
types that they had on there. You can talk about

1344
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,280
guys that had opportunities in world title fights but haven't

1345
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,519
really gotten over THEMP like a Seria Boetchim for example,

1346
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,239
or like a hot Rod collegiate or fighters like that.

1347
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,480
Are a Vodzik that's trying to Alexander Vodzik, the former

1348
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:11,119
light eavyweight champion, trying to come back like they're at

1349
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:13,400
a certain point where this is probably the best thing

1350
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,599
for them because they can get regular activity, make reasonable purses,

1351
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,119
and other promoters aren't looking to use them because they

1352
01:01:20,159 --> 01:01:23,440
consider that either not real prospects, vallid guys playing out

1353
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,079
the strat or just looked at his opponents. But then

1354
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:27,920
there's gonna be the special type of guys who are

1355
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,920
legit stars and money making entities like like top tound

1356
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,119
for pound level championship fighters like in Opataia, like Oconnor

1357
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:37,840
Ben like others that they're inevitably going to sign in

1358
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:38,199
the future.

1359
01:01:38,239 --> 01:01:40,039
Speaker 1: Now I got you, yes, and you got to look

1360
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:41,559
at them and keep them saying and I look at

1361
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:42,920
it this way, and I'm saying it for like the

1362
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,840
third time. Don't talk to me about being any different.

1363
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,280
You're one of them. You're doing the same things.

1364
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: I guess. I look at like this, TJ. You put

1365
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,119
you put too much stock in their words. I don't

1366
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:53,480
believe promoters of the time.

1367
01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:56,079
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree with you on that, and we're

1368
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:58,199
seeing proof of it here. All right, one more thing

1369
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:59,599
and then we're going to move on to the final

1370
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:03,079
news and get out of here. Ryan Garcia in victory.

1371
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,320
We know that Turkey Ali Chic. Here we go again.

1372
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,360
Wanted the Ryan Garcia Devin Haney fight to happen last

1373
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:13,119
year in a rematch, and then Garcia ends up losing

1374
01:02:14,039 --> 01:02:17,320
to Rowley Romero. What is the likelihood that that would

1375
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,599
be the fight? Or am I wrong to think that

1376
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:24,039
the tea leaves here are Ryan Garcia maybe and Connor

1377
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:26,679
Ben Would I be wrong on that? For all that

1378
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,079
money in a mega fight later this summer, I.

1379
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: Think that there's a lot of possibilities. So there's a

1380
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,639
couple of things. Number One, Obviously, a rematch between Hany

1381
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,360
and Brian would now was always going to be a

1382
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,639
big deal based on the situation from what happened the

1383
01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:43,280
first time, but now it becomes even a bigger deal

1384
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,960
because they're both champions. It would be a unification fight

1385
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,199
because Ryan won the WBC title in fine fashion on

1386
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:51,519
Saturday Night against Barrios. And then you go back to

1387
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,239
the end of last year, you had Devin Haney looking

1388
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,559
real sharp and win in the fight against Brian Norman

1389
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:59,079
to win the WBO title. So they both have adults

1390
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,880
and they start can make hey in that situation, that

1391
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,000
would be obviously a big time fight, the headline a

1392
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,760
future show whether they do it and read or do

1393
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,239
it in you know, Las Vegas or wherever. That's a possibility.

1394
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:14,400
After the fight ended between Garcia and Barrios, you had

1395
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,400
the back and forth between Ryan Garcia and Chaquar Stevenson,

1396
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,480
who would set out fight him. And now the reason

1397
01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:23,119
why I don't I think that would be a big

1398
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:27,360
deal commercially, The reason why I have slight pause about

1399
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,639
the reality. It's one thing for them to shout each

1400
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:32,119
other's names out after the fight, but when you listen

1401
01:03:32,159 --> 01:03:34,280
to cha, course, I'm not going up above one hundred

1402
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,840
and forty four pounds now you're in a situation where

1403
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,320
you're gonna Ryan couldn't even make one forty seven. Granted

1404
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,679
he was drunk, but you know, you know he's he's

1405
01:03:41,719 --> 01:03:43,840
really a welterweight at this point. I'm not sure with

1406
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,159
the leverage he has as a champion that he would

1407
01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:48,480
necessarily go down to one forty four. He doesn't need that.

1408
01:03:48,679 --> 01:03:50,519
He can fight anybody and make a ton of money.

1409
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,119
Chakor would be the one that would have to be

1410
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:55,199
willing probably to move up or he can fight whatever

1411
01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:57,199
he wants, I guess, but that Ryan would have to

1412
01:03:57,239 --> 01:03:59,000
be able to be at one hundred and forty seven.

1413
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:01,079
Maybe he would give one pound or something like that,

1414
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:03,920
which frankly wouldn't really make much of a difference. So

1415
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,159
while that would be very interesting, I don't necessarily think

1416
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:10,960
that's gonna happen. Connor Ben is gonna go fight a

1417
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,480
regular opponent. In my estimation, come May, you're.

1418
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: Gonna get like fifteen or twenty million to fight a

1419
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:16,360
regular opponent.

1420
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: Fifteen million to fight a real world and now after

1421
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,840
that we'll see. I mean, now, even though it's a

1422
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,639
one fight deal, if if they want to still work

1423
01:04:24,679 --> 01:04:27,199
together and he's enjoyed his time with them, and there's

1424
01:04:27,239 --> 01:04:29,519
another big offer. I mean, why wouldn't he stay?

1425
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:30,119
Speaker 1: Uh?

1426
01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:33,719
Speaker 2: Maybe then you make that type of fight. The bottom

1427
01:04:33,719 --> 01:04:36,519
line though, is Ryan against Hani in a rematch is

1428
01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:39,599
a big fight. Ryan against your corp is a big fight.

1429
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,800
Ryan against Connor. Ben, would you.

1430
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:44,679
Speaker 1: Play Ryan as like a one right now or a

1431
01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:46,480
two or a little better? No?

1432
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: I think I think commercially speaking. Commercially speaking, the fight

1433
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,239
that would probably make the most noise would be the

1434
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:59,119
re would be would be a Ryan against Shakur and

1435
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:03,840
and maybe Hani after that because Hani, while he looked

1436
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,719
good against uh Brian Norman, there's a lot of people

1437
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,119
that are kind of cold on him. I would love

1438
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:10,639
to see the fight from my perspective, but there's a

1439
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:12,519
lot of people that that just are not fans of

1440
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:15,079
Haney that I don't know if that's gonna be. That's

1441
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:18,000
gonna really it would be the big deal, don't get

1442
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,000
me wrong, but would be bigger.

1443
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:21,639
Speaker 1: Remember when Haney, when Hanny won the fight on that

1444
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:25,519
ring card on our Ben was calling him out, calling

1445
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:29,960
him boring after the fight. That is that the guy

1446
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:31,239
is that the fight stay tuned.

1447
01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 2: I mean either fight like he fought like Haney against Ramirez. Look,

1448
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,199
he won but looked terrible. But then the Haini that

1449
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:41,199
fought against Brian Norman looked much better. So you know

1450
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,880
which guy shows up. It's kind of the same thing.

1451
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,199
One thing about Devin any you know, generally speaking, he

1452
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,360
fights because he's willing to fight the top guys, and

1453
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,519
he wins his fights. I mean, you know, we we

1454
01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:51,519
can't forget what we saw with the knockdowns and the

1455
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:55,119
loss against uh Ryan that became a no contest, but

1456
01:05:55,199 --> 01:05:56,960
officially it's still he's still undefeated.

1457
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:03,239
Speaker 1: All right, One more item. Zerto Ramirez and David Benavidez

1458
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:08,159
met with the media on Saturday prior to the Ryan

1459
01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:10,960
Garcia main event with Mario Barrios. The media assembled there

1460
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:13,400
got to go too for essentially and be part of

1461
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,199
the kind of kickoff press conference. It officially announced the

1462
01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:20,199
may Sewi Sinco de Mayo PBC on Prime pay per

1463
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:27,000
view fight Zerdo and his two titles at cruiserweight, Benavidez

1464
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:30,639
the WBC light heavyweight champion. So it's official. Give me

1465
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:32,840
a little more on this with the conference.

1466
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:34,599
Speaker 2: It's been official. It was you know, they've all talked

1467
01:06:34,639 --> 01:06:36,400
about announced that. They've said the date, in the location.

1468
01:06:36,519 --> 01:06:39,000
But they finally did the the the photo op and

1469
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:41,760
talked to the press and and did all their their media.

1470
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,360
This is an exciting fight. I mean, I know a

1471
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,960
lot of people were hoping to see Opataia against Zerdo.

1472
01:06:48,039 --> 01:06:49,599
They were calling each other out of been a further

1473
01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:53,559
unification fight. We've discussed the reasons why it became Benavide's.

1474
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:56,159
It's just a bigger fight commercially in this country. And

1475
01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:58,960
they know each other, They've sparred with each other, they're

1476
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:01,760
they're friendly with each other. But uh so, there was

1477
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,880
no like trash talk or you know, pushing and shoving

1478
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,960
or all the other typical nonsense that we see at

1479
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,280
a lot of boxing press covers. But trust me, when

1480
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,159
that bell goes, man, these guys are going to be

1481
01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:13,639
there for blood. I believe this is a good, interesting fight.

1482
01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:16,079
There is gonna have a nice crowd, t Mobile Arena,

1483
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:19,960
Sinko DeMaio, I'll be a festive Mexican atmosphere. Knowing the

1484
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,239
way that PBC does their events, I'm sure they'll put

1485
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:25,000
on some uh you know, quality undercard fights. I like

1486
01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:27,480
the fact that you have Golden Boy working with PBC

1487
01:07:28,119 --> 01:07:30,280
on this event. Because of course they're the promoter of Zerdo.

1488
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:33,079
That has not always been an easy relationship, going back

1489
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:35,079
to the early days when they split with Hayman a

1490
01:07:35,159 --> 01:07:37,360
number of years ago. So it's good to see them

1491
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:40,320
being able to work together. And frankly, the promoters, uh,

1492
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,079
you know, the the so called old school promoters, they

1493
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:43,960
are gonna have to work together because if they're looking

1494
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,039
at Zoofa, they know that they're in their crosshairs and

1495
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:48,960
so you know, it's the old you know, the enemy

1496
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,519
of my enemy is my friend kind of concept. No way,

1497
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:56,920
don't work. No, I mean, look, Golden Boy, PBC, top rank, Matroom,

1498
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,880
not Mattrium so much. But but they yes to some

1499
01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:02,519
agreed but they can all help each other. And Queensberry

1500
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:06,119
for that matter, if they all work together, you know,

1501
01:08:06,159 --> 01:08:08,599
they can get some stuff done. Now Mattrium. The reason

1502
01:08:08,639 --> 01:08:12,039
I say not necessarily is because or at Queensberry rather

1503
01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:14,639
no matrim because the mat are the ones that promote

1504
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:17,600
most of the read season slash Ring magazine cards. They're

1505
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,000
like the official promoters. Now, they were not involved in

1506
01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:22,319
the card over the weekend that was Golden Boy and

1507
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,800
and PBC. But when they should court to a FEMO

1508
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,199
fight happened. It was Mattrium, you know, as the official

1509
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:30,560
promoter doing all the logistics and everything. I'm talking about

1510
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,520
the legacy promoters here in America, top Ratch, Golden Boy

1511
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:34,479
and PBC.

1512
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,279
Speaker 1: Hey. One more thing before we get out of here,

1513
01:08:38,039 --> 01:08:40,239
and that is we went into the weekend wondering when

1514
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:43,479
is the judge in Nevada going to rule on the

1515
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,640
Virgil Ortiz and Oscar de la Hoya Golden Boy Promotions

1516
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,960
lawsuit and countersuit. Judge did not make a decision on

1517
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,399
the weekend. By the way, judges can make decisions whenever

1518
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,640
they want. What is it You've done some reporting and

1519
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,880
some digging. What's the educated thought on how soon the

1520
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:03,520
judge is going to rule? No love my phraseology, it's

1521
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:04,359
not educated thought.

1522
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:06,319
Speaker 2: It's I am called by both sides that the judge

1523
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:09,439
said that that. I don't know if it's one hundred percent,

1524
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,640
but most likely they'll be a ruling on Monday.

1525
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,039
Speaker 1: On Monday, because my philosophy is what I've heard in

1526
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,800
the legal world for years. It's been in movies and TVs.

1527
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:23,640
Justice delayed is justice denied? Baby Virgil wants a deal

1528
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,039
with Jiron Ennis. Let's let him either make a deal

1529
01:09:26,199 --> 01:09:27,520
or make him adhere to the continents.

1530
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,039
Speaker 2: They're not making a wait for six months.

1531
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: The fact that what I'm saying is the longer he

1532
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:34,880
waits right now, jon Nis is going to fight somebody

1533
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,000
else time out.

1534
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 2: There is no delay of this justice because they had

1535
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,319
a hearing on Friday, and in the normal course of

1536
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,600
legalities in America, to go and wait the weekend or

1537
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,720
a few days after that is not the way.

1538
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: An Let me educate you on some couple of months.

1539
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,359
Let me educate you on something. So two or three

1540
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:55,720
things happened. The first thing that happened is they had

1541
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,840
a hearing back about eleven days ago, and the judge

1542
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,439
granted the tr a very restraining order. And the judge

1543
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,920
then said, submit all your materials to me off the holiday, a.

1544
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,079
Speaker 2: Very very last, very very quick turnaround.

1545
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,239
Speaker 1: Off the holiday, last Monday, President's Day. Submit all your materials,

1546
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:17,960
your case, law, the precedents to me on Tuesday, so

1547
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,760
that when we reconvene about this tro on Friday, I

1548
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:22,760
can make a ruling.

1549
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,319
Speaker 2: There was never a guarantee of a ruling over that.

1550
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: It was not a guarantee. I didn't say there was.

1551
01:10:27,039 --> 01:10:30,760
I'm saying line up on the timeline that the judge.

1552
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 2: Asked for all you're just talking nonsense.

1553
01:10:34,079 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 1: I am, I am not talking nonsense. I'm telling you

1554
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,520
what happened, and I'm telling you what I heard about it. Okay,

1555
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,800
So understand this. The judge asked for all the precedents

1556
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:45,000
for all the things that are in the arguments and

1557
01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:48,119
had the hearing on Friday. So now the judge's taking

1558
01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:50,600
two or three days this weekend, make the ruling, make

1559
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:51,319
the rule.

1560
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,520
Speaker 2: Whether it's exactly what the fuck is going to happen,

1561
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,000
stay tuned. I mean, the reality is this one hundred

1562
01:10:57,079 --> 01:11:00,640
percent compared to your normal case this day, even with

1563
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,760
the eleven days and the and get your materials in.

1564
01:11:03,039 --> 01:11:07,600
Every single thing on this has been in a dramatically expedited.

1565
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 1: Course because of the urgency of Ortiz.

1566
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 2: Didn't play with themselves for two more three more days

1567
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:14,800
before the judge makes a ruling.

1568
01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: Rather, Oscar de la Hoya doesn't care if this goes

1569
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,920
on for another month. The golden no, no, no, This

1570
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:22,039
is where we got to be clear on this. Don't

1571
01:11:22,039 --> 01:11:24,399
make that little flippant comment. Golden boy doesn't care if

1572
01:11:24,399 --> 01:11:26,000
this goes till June.

1573
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:28,359
Speaker 2: That's not true, they want to do a fight, and

1574
01:11:28,359 --> 01:11:30,680
they finally the longer the longer that that there's one

1575
01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:34,880
that that there's uncertainty about Virgil is gonna it's continuing

1576
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,000
to hold up their dealings with his own. So you're

1577
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,359
completely wrong about that. They know, I'm saying from the

1578
01:11:39,359 --> 01:11:41,039
stand is done one way or the other as soon

1579
01:11:41,079 --> 01:11:41,600
as possible.

1580
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,039
Speaker 1: But from the standpoint of Virgil Ortiz, they don't have

1581
01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:46,840
the same urgency right now. They can have it wait

1582
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,560
two or three weeks because maybe Ortiz ends up fighting

1583
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,560
somebody else. And dale Hoya said, so, I got other

1584
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,319
options for him to fight somebody else.

1585
01:11:53,239 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 2: But he's not gonna be with Oscar most likely.

1586
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,319
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. But if we're talking again

1587
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:01,399
about hypotheticals of who care about an urgent ruling or

1588
01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:03,000
not just saying.

1589
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,359
Speaker 2: It's a couple of days, bro, we just wasted five

1590
01:12:05,399 --> 01:12:07,439
minutes on nothing, because you know what you're talking about.

1591
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,359
Speaker 1: It's not that I don't know what I'm talking about.

1592
01:12:09,399 --> 01:12:11,479
I laid it out. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

1593
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,239
Justice delayed. It's justice denied.

1594
01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:16,159
Speaker 2: By the way you sound like fucking don King. I

1595
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:17,359
want to shoot myself.

1596
01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:20,359
Speaker 1: I'm just king was quoting all the other you know,

1597
01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:23,319
twelve Angry Men or all the other criminal justice movies,

1598
01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:26,039
Law and Order TV shows that he watched. I'm just

1599
01:12:26,079 --> 01:12:28,920
saying to you, let's get Virgil Ortiz in the ring

1600
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,239
with Jaron Innis and Oscar had his chance and he

1601
01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:34,680
screwed it up. There you go, all right with that.

1602
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,560
Ryan Garcia's victory is the big story off the weekend.

1603
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,439
We got some interesting action with Emmanuel Navoraatee and Sugar

1604
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,039
Nunez to talk about later in a week. Other than that,

1605
01:12:43,159 --> 01:12:45,520
try to behave with your son off from school in

1606
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:50,079
the snow. I'll be thinking of you. I'm gonna make yes,

1607
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:52,199
that's it. There's gonna be a lot of snow to shovel.

1608
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:57,840
I've seen that. Yeah, do that, Junior, Get out there

1609
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,560
and clear the driveway with that, Dan feel have a

1610
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,600
good week. They need to read the substack in the newsletter.

1611
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,640
Thank you for the time here on the pod, Yes, sir,

1612
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,960
it goes Dan Ray Phil, I'm merely TJ. Reeves. Follow

1613
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,439
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1614
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,279
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1615
01:13:14,319 --> 01:13:17,439
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01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,319
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