Speaker 1: Hi, I want to welcome back to the nonprofits. So
Speaker 1: we have a new hope. Everybody fantastic.
Speaker 2: Also, the Pope has some political opinions that he has
Speaker 2: to get off of his noggin, so we're going to
Speaker 2: go to Cyndy with that information.
Speaker 3: So Cindy, go ahead, let's talk about the new Pope.
Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, I've always been puzzled at the Pope's popularity.
Speaker 4: I mean, I understand the history, the weight of the
Speaker 4: one point three billion people Catholics in the world, the
Speaker 4: ridiculous theater behind their election, but still it's still puzzling
Speaker 4: to me. Anyway, let me introduce you to the new
Speaker 4: pope that got elected last week. Meet Robert Francis Prevost
Speaker 4: aka Pope Leo fourteen. He is the first US citizen
Speaker 4: elected to that position, and the entire media ecosystem is
Speaker 4: trying to read a hidden miss meaning into it. So
Speaker 4: let's dive into it. This story is from Yeah We
Speaker 4: News by Andrew Romano May nine five.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, as a former Catholic, I have okay, even
Speaker 2: though I hate the Catholic Church, there's kind of a
Speaker 2: romanticism for my childhood with the pope. So we're just
Speaker 2: gonna there's that going on. So the former Pope pro
Speaker 2: frances was like trying to be okay with queer people,
Speaker 2: but which was kind of like, yeah, I know, and
Speaker 2: it seems that this pope is also may want to portray,
Speaker 2: you know, portray the same message or betray depending on
Speaker 2: your views. Also as well that being said, do you
Speaker 2: now I'm gonna bring this around to you, Sidney, do
Speaker 2: you think that this might be a ploy as I
Speaker 2: said earlier this week about like, you know, the Catholic
Speaker 2: church numbers going down and maybe me being more appealing
Speaker 2: for people living in twenty twenty five asking Sydney.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I thought you said, Steven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I probably maybe I did. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Like I said, everyone is trying to
Speaker 4: to see a employee behind this UH, this this election.
Speaker 4: I'm not supposed to say this, but I don't really care,
Speaker 4: to be honest. I mean, whether they are trying to
Speaker 4: appeal to UH, to the US, or maybe they're trying
Speaker 4: to put pressure on Trump, or whether whatever explanation people
Speaker 4: can can come up with in this situation. I I
Speaker 4: don't think it's relevant because I personally find this Pope
Speaker 4: to be rather boring. Everything I read on him preparing
Speaker 4: for for for this article show that he's he's middle
Speaker 4: of the road. That's how they used to describe him
Speaker 4: in the article, And I don't know what to think
Speaker 4: of him. Of course, the Catholic Church remains the worst
Speaker 4: criminal institution in the world, and I don't believe it
Speaker 4: can change enough to ever catch up to the rest
Speaker 4: of society. So this pope seems to trigger hope in
Speaker 4: some people. Not me, but some people. And just like
Speaker 4: others before him, he'll just express his will to progress
Speaker 4: in a couple of topics and nothing will really change,
Speaker 4: and he'll still be conservative on most topics, and people
Speaker 4: in the world will keep suffering because of this criminal institution,
Speaker 4: like victims of AIDS in Africa, gay in trant people everywhere, abuse, nuns, children,
Speaker 4: all those categories of people have been harmed in a
Speaker 4: way or other by the Catholic Church. Regarding this specific pope,
Speaker 4: I would like to say that there's been some allegations
Speaker 4: of cover up about sexual abuse in children. I added
Speaker 4: an article in the description. Well, we added a description
Speaker 4: an article in the description of this video that will
Speaker 4: give more context to this and apparently some people say
Speaker 4: that he's done a lot to prevent abuse and report
Speaker 4: abuse that was happening. So regarding this very specific point,
Speaker 4: I think we should be where we to not jump
Speaker 4: to conclusions and wait until we have more information. But
Speaker 4: in any case, the Pope is not the issue. The
Speaker 4: Catholic Church is.
Speaker 2: I agree, like and EJ, I want to kind of
Speaker 2: intrg you because like, I kind of feel this way
Speaker 2: too about like the new Pope being an American. This
Speaker 2: is not something I expected, and though he has said
Speaker 2: some critical things about the current administration, but also I
Speaker 2: do know the Catholic Church pass afflirtations with authoritarian governments,
Speaker 2: which that's something you should all note.
Speaker 1: So I was kind of getting your feeling, like, why
Speaker 1: does this feel odd?
Speaker 2: It feels odd to a lot of people about him
Speaker 2: being an American, and you know the kind of vibe
Speaker 2: that's going on right now with him.
Speaker 3: So I would love to hear your opinion on that.
Speaker 5: It feels odd to me for a couple of reasons,
Speaker 5: one of which is for a lot of cultural reasons.
Speaker 5: The pope has almost always been European, given the for
Speaker 5: a lot of the Catholic Church's history Europe was where
Speaker 5: everything that affected the Catholic Church happened, whether it be
Speaker 5: good things or a bad things, mainly bad things fairy
Speaker 5: years war. I know that it's someone who has from
Speaker 5: a different content. It feels about odd that I'm opposed
Speaker 5: to change in the Catholic Church, because I would like
Speaker 5: to change as much as possible, although I do wonder
Speaker 5: how the US, given that has the largest group Protestants
Speaker 5: out of any country in.
Speaker 6: The world, will deal with it.
Speaker 5: Will they be happy? Will they be sad? It's the US,
Speaker 5: so I imagine a lot of mixed feelings. However, I
Speaker 5: do have one thing to note about him that is
Speaker 5: quite funny that I found out on accident, not researching.
Speaker 5: He apparently had a fling when he was nineteen with
Speaker 5: someone from Chicago. So that means there might be someone
Speaker 5: out there who's done the pope, which, if so, that
Speaker 5: is the best brag anyone could ever.
Speaker 6: Have going for the pope.
Speaker 2: Mobile y so, and in a minute, I'm going to
Speaker 2: hear I'm going to just share some weird po factoids
Speaker 2: that I feel like I need to share.
Speaker 1: But saving but you had.
Speaker 6: A thought, fought, what's like, what do you think forty
Speaker 6: five would have done if the Pope was a person
Speaker 6: of color, what what would have what would have gone
Speaker 6: on in his racist little brain? Like would he have
Speaker 6: like completely Like we already know that a lot of
Speaker 6: American Catholics uh were pulling away from Pope Francis because
Speaker 6: of his progressive stance, because they because the America has
Speaker 6: this current uh riding a wave of conservativism, and so
Speaker 6: they'd sooner listen to popular media Catholic of figures rather
Speaker 6: than listen to the pope. So there was already a
Speaker 6: divide happening there. And if if the if the Pope
Speaker 6: would have been a person of color, would forty five
Speaker 6: have just like like, I don't think he would have
Speaker 6: like publicly derided him, but I think, uh, like I wonder, yeah,
Speaker 6: how how how deep would that have divide have gone?
Speaker 6: And conversely, how much yeah, how much reconciliation will Vatican
Speaker 6: City see with America? Because okay, we've got one of
Speaker 6: europe people on our team. Now that that gets us
Speaker 6: something right.
Speaker 2: So uh, just though it's odd that the Pope is American,
Speaker 2: I just want to pope. You know, some popes in
Speaker 2: the past, one put corps on trial, another one had
Speaker 2: orgies and the Vada Can. Another one had three popes
Speaker 2: have father children. One pope was a woman and another
Speaker 2: pope sold the papacy and then try to buy it back.
Speaker 2: Some popes had executioners on their staff, and Pope Leo
Speaker 2: the tenth Blue.
Speaker 3: Church money on a pet elephant.
Speaker 2: So if you look at pope facts, I recommend weird
Speaker 2: pope facts.
Speaker 5: The pope I can add something kind of even weirder
Speaker 5: with the pope he was the head of a standing army.
Speaker 5: The Vacans say had an army, not like not tectonic
Speaker 5: knights either. They used guns, they used ruling blog right,
Speaker 5: and they are marked with Questionian inscriptions. It is the
Speaker 5: weirdest thing I have ever seen in my life, and
Speaker 5: yet it.
Speaker 1: Is on brand, like I mean, like, you know, if.
Speaker 2: You're gonna like your freak flag fly, you might as
Speaker 2: well do it that way. Any Oh, my goodness, weird
Speaker 2: that you can now. So anyway, okay, siddy, hi, let
Speaker 2: me get this train back on the road. So let's see, okay,
Speaker 2: So Puba Luis, Oh, you special, special man. It's a
Speaker 2: little bit skeptical about his Jean genuine belief in the
Speaker 2: reform and uh.
Speaker 1: This you know, maybe there's a little.
Speaker 2: Bit of desperation, as I mentioned before. And do you
Speaker 2: think he's going to do anything that kind of clean
Speaker 2: up the corrupt system that is like so insidiously woven into.
Speaker 1: Every aspect of the church.
Speaker 2: Like do you see him trying did you reform and
Speaker 2: trying to make it a better place?
Speaker 4: I think he will try something. Yes, I think, uh,
Speaker 4: if if what I saw in this an article is true, uh,
Speaker 4: he will try to uh to make sure that any
Speaker 4: any abuse occur occurred in the in the church will
Speaker 4: be taken care of and not just hidden or or
Speaker 4: whatever they used to do so far, He's probably going
Speaker 4: to try to do something, uh, the extent to which
Speaker 4: we we we have to to wait and see. I
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's to me, it feels like even
Speaker 4: though the Pope himself is uh is important, I think
Speaker 4: we underestimate the power of the Vatican's government. Well, if
Speaker 4: we can call it that way, all the people that
Speaker 4: are just below him and that can be extremely conservative,
Speaker 4: I think they will they will decide what happens in
Speaker 4: terms of progress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like I keep like I want to believe in the
Speaker 2: better angels of our nature and I want to think
Speaker 2: that maybe, like you know, with someone with like fresh
Speaker 2: ideas might want to like shave things up. But the
Speaker 2: way that systems work, I'm not feeling super happy about
Speaker 2: how things are going to go, especially like there was
Speaker 2: I forget who was from the papacy said that they
Speaker 2: wanted the church to go back to become more conservative.
Speaker 2: So if Publio is going to be budding head heads
Speaker 2: against that, I don't I'm not feeling super super confident
Speaker 2: about that. So anyway, hey, Stephen, let's talk about Christine's love.
Speaker 1: And do what I will aie, let's talk about that
Speaker 1: in power?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like so Leo here I'm using his chosen name,
Speaker 6: of course, is a member of the Augustine Order. And
Speaker 6: I'm only a little bit familiar of what the different
Speaker 6: orders mean. Like I guess there's the Franciscans and the
Speaker 6: Jesuits and then the Augustines. Augustine's being named after August
Speaker 6: of Hippo. And I remember when I was a Christian
Speaker 6: trying to struggle through my faith. One quote that was
Speaker 6: from August really stuck out to me, and I was like,
Speaker 6: love God and do what you will. Just that that freedom, Okay,
Speaker 6: once you have your If loving God is your main priority,
Speaker 6: if that one comes first, then what your will will
Speaker 6: bleed out from that goodness? And then I was really
Speaker 6: digging with that and trying to before I had to
Speaker 6: like really double down on inerrancy and whatnot, Like if
Speaker 6: if that is you know, a mantra that he sluck
Speaker 6: to assume, assuming that he could have joined any order,
Speaker 6: the fact that he chose the Augustinians US, you know,
Speaker 6: that speaks to someone who you know has a priority
Speaker 6: of of loving people and doing what is right before
Speaker 6: the dogma of legislating what is right. That that you know,
Speaker 6: I don't I don't know much about all the other orders,
Speaker 6: but it seems like there is a worse you know,
Speaker 6: fraternity for is it like a fraternity. It seems like
Speaker 6: there'd be a worse fraternity that he could have been
Speaker 6: coming out from.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a it's a fraternity, silly hats, That's
Speaker 2: what it is. That's very pretty much they SoJ how
Speaker 2: as a as a as a Scot like, I have
Speaker 2: definitely felt the effects of the church here in the
Speaker 2: United States.
Speaker 3: I was brought up Catholic, as Catholic, which is his own.
Speaker 1: Brand of Catholic.
Speaker 2: So like have you experienced like not only the church
Speaker 2: within Scotland, but like how are the Scots relating to
Speaker 2: this like new papacy and you know, and him being
Speaker 2: an American and you know may maybe maybe be progressive maybe.
Speaker 5: So Scotland has a very weird relation with Catholicism because
Speaker 5: a lot of people who support Catholicism in Scotland are
Speaker 5: also what would be described as Irish Republicans, which goes
Speaker 5: back to the troubles and there's a lot of complicated
Speaker 5: politics there. However, a general theme is that Irish Republicans
Speaker 5: support downtrodden people. So people like the Palestinians, an Irish
Speaker 5: Republican would be very fond of issue, is not a
Speaker 5: lot of Americans are, especially not higher up. So if
Speaker 5: it comes out that now, hopefully he sticks to his
Speaker 5: guns and he says that he sticks to what Pope
Speaker 5: Francis was doing and supporting Palestine and the meaningful way.
Speaker 5: If he doesn't, I feel there might, especially in the UK,
Speaker 5: be a very big stink made about it, because it
Speaker 5: will feel like the Pope is betraying them. Also a
Speaker 5: side note on one of the comments about how the
Speaker 5: papercy wants the new pope to roll back Catholic, to
Speaker 5: be a bit more follows him to be a bit
Speaker 5: more conservative. The pope's a direct messenger of God, another
Speaker 5: vessel messenger of God. You don't control or well, according
Speaker 5: to them, you don't control what he says or does.
Speaker 5: That's God's job. So what do you mean you want
Speaker 5: him to do this or that you shouldn't. Just let
Speaker 5: him do what he's going to do. It's God's will. Apparently,
Speaker 5: are they? I wonder if the are all the cardinals
Speaker 5: secretly atheists? So I want to.
Speaker 1: That's that's a name patterer.
Speaker 2: So I was kind of saying thing Tony, like, what
Speaker 2: is the reaction in Belgium to, you know, this American
Speaker 2: pope and his his.
Speaker 3: He's shaking things up a little, But I guess kind of,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to tell.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's been any anything specific here in
Speaker 4: Belgium regarding this pope election. There's so much anxiety and
Speaker 4: and and and fear about what Trump is going to
Speaker 4: do in the next four years that I think that
Speaker 4: the the biggest question is how will that influence Trump?
Speaker 4: Other than that, I don't see the pope having a big,
Speaker 4: big influence here.
Speaker 2: So that's that's interesting because even though like you don't
Speaker 2: think the pope has influence, I'm here in the United States,
Speaker 2: he has a lot of influence, especially because a lot
Speaker 2: of Cathlatures has become have become more political in recent years.
Speaker 1: When I was growing up.
Speaker 2: There was a whole lot of politics going on, but
Speaker 2: recently there's more people you know that's infiltrated to the
Speaker 2: evangelical approach.
Speaker 3: So it is you're seeing more than a nutrition within
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church. I don't know Steven's experience the experiencing
Speaker 3: this in Canada.
Speaker 2: I just live where religion and politics can have stop
Speaker 2: having sex with each other and they need to get
Speaker 2: a divorce and separate really really badly. So it is
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I will just take with them in
Speaker 2: conversion therapy.
Speaker 3: Tell them then you get to be religion, you get
Speaker 3: to be politics.
Speaker 2: So how what is the effect you've been Like, are
Speaker 2: you seeing like an effect of the American pope like
Speaker 2: in Canada?
Speaker 1: And how Knneens are feeling about it? Are they kind
Speaker 1: of like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's fine, Like I think it's too early to say,
Speaker 6: like and like I'm not. I'm not especially I'm more
Speaker 6: plugged into like a Catholic community now than I ever
Speaker 6: have been before, now that I'm moving into one, and
Speaker 6: my partner was raised Catholic, so it's it's something I'm
Speaker 6: more aware of, which is good. It's not that the
Speaker 6: entire world is Mennonite or Evangelical, so it's good to
Speaker 6: get those blinders off. But I think right now it's
Speaker 6: wait and see. But there's so much chaos going on
Speaker 6: in so many other parts of the world. It's just
Speaker 6: another one of those pots that are on the stovetop
Speaker 6: that is already too full. And hopefully this one doesn't
Speaker 6: boil over as well, and hopefully this one doesn't burn.
Speaker 6: But it's it's anyone's guess to see where things go
Speaker 6: from here. Yeah, just yeah, like and and we'll see
Speaker 6: even we'll see how much impact, how much sway he
Speaker 6: even has over Catholics who like, honestly, they want to
Speaker 6: be thinking for themselves anyway, and they'll only it. It's
Speaker 6: lining up with the church is just a matter of convenience.
Speaker 6: It's not like anyone changes their mind and says, oh,
Speaker 6: well because the Pope says this, well, then I guess
Speaker 6: I'll change my mind too. People really don't like changing
Speaker 6: their mind.
Speaker 2: No, So I did want to touch on sinebo Fast
Speaker 2: that you mentioned, like the global harm that the Catholic
Speaker 2: Church has done, because they've done they've done some shy
Speaker 2: that given the harm with like you know, telling you know,
Speaker 2: Africans not to use condoms because you know in a
Speaker 2: country riddled by aides uh you know, uh, telling you know,
Speaker 2: not providing reproductive care, all.
Speaker 3: Those type of things, squarephobia abused.
Speaker 1: We can go on and on like what is should
Speaker 1: we count this is anti.
Speaker 2: Faith or anti Catholic or what maybe we should also
Speaker 2: the pope and I think also people too there speaking
Speaker 2: out even if you're a Catholic, what message should we
Speaker 2: be sending? Because we know that the Catholic Church sucks?
Speaker 1: So so what would you what would you like to
Speaker 1: see happened?
Speaker 3: Even if you are not going to leave the Catholic Church,
Speaker 3: what would you like.
Speaker 1: To see happen city?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to again, No, no, No, it's it's
Speaker 4: hard to to to see because there's so many things
Speaker 4: things wrong in introductrine of the Catholic Church that it's
Speaker 4: hard to stood to just single out something that we
Speaker 4: would like to to improve, like uh we mentioned earlier
Speaker 4: in this week the uh the the the age epidemic
Speaker 4: in in Africa, and Francis didn't do anything good with this.
Speaker 4: On the contrary, Uh, there's there's so so many things.
Speaker 4: I don't know what we could single out like this.
Speaker 4: It's it's like I said, it's it's the worst criminal
Speaker 4: organization on the planet.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Money laundering, Uh, sexual abuse, killing children, babies, raping nuns.
Speaker 4: I mean, where do you stop the list.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a Russian nestling doll.
Speaker 2: Bad Like it's just you know, it's just bad all
Speaker 2: the way down. So anyway, I don't have a way
Speaker 2: to wrap this up that's going to put this in
Speaker 2: a nice new little bowl. Just don't support the Catholic church, guys,
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