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<v Speaker 1>All right, everybody, welcome, Welcome to the first ever Cajun

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<v Speaker 1>Night Live event. Sorry about the technical difficulties to get

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<v Speaker 1>started with this.

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<v Speaker 2>It has been quite an evening.

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<v Speaker 1>For me personally at the house, so I've been trying

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<v Speaker 1>to throw things together at the last minute try to

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<v Speaker 1>make this happen, And honestly, I don't exactly know where

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<v Speaker 1>I want the conversation to go tonight as far as

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<v Speaker 1>anything at all. Honestly, I mean, if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the news right now, there's all kinds of wild things

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<v Speaker 1>going on. If you look at the cultural and media space,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of things going on right now. But

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<v Speaker 1>I want this to kind of be an open form

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<v Speaker 1>for all of us to just kind of bounce ideas

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<v Speaker 1>around and talk about whatever really comes up. So I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't necessarily want this to be a conspiratorial conversation, although

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<v Speaker 1>it definitely can be. I'm looking at these fire is

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<v Speaker 1>going on in California right now, and there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>red flags that are jumping out to me. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's just kind of that's my natural way

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<v Speaker 1>of looking at things. So I mean, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm being extra, if there's really you know some

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<v Speaker 1>conspiratorial things happening here. But first and foremost, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to thank y'all for joining me on the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>This really means a lot, this side project that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to turn into an actual thing. It means a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to know there's people behind me on this. So

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<v Speaker 1>much love and appreciation to y'all. But uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>actually with the two, actually the three people here, interestingly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>I am very interested to talk to Anthony and to

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<v Speaker 1>Tony and to Ravenly about a couple of different things.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to kind of go down the list

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<v Speaker 1>here in particular Anthony last night. First of all, do

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<v Speaker 1>you prefer Anthony or Tony?

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<v Speaker 3>Just curious?

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<v Speaker 4>Anthony?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Word up?

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday you had mentioned that you are a pagan religiously

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<v Speaker 1>speaking correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct of the Norse Anglo Saxon variety.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I had figured as much.

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<v Speaker 1>Now when you said Norse Anglo Saxon, you gave that

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<v Speaker 1>extra you know, description behind it. So can I ask

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<v Speaker 1>you what does the mechanics of your day to day

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<v Speaker 1>religion and faith kind of look like?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I understand you're not offering sacrifices, and again.

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<v Speaker 1>Within the realm of reason, you know, but what does

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<v Speaker 1>your faith actually look like to you on a day

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<v Speaker 1>to day if you don't mind me asking?

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<v Speaker 2>And I asked this.

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<v Speaker 1>Because there are so many different answers when you talk

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<v Speaker 1>to pagan and people of that belief that I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be just a thought, or it could be

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<v Speaker 1>something you physically do.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, so for me, I'd like there really wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 5>and most of the ones that I've talked to there

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't either day to day like you would think a

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<v Speaker 5>Christian's daily devotionals things like that. That's fair, And as

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<v Speaker 5>you say you're not the best representation of a Christian,

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<v Speaker 5>I do also have to put out there that I

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<v Speaker 5>am not the.

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<v Speaker 3>Best representation of a of a of a pagan. But

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<v Speaker 3>just across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>Game recognized game brother, I appreciate you being real with

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<v Speaker 1>me for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So, I'm sure there are people that are going to

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<v Speaker 5>hear this that are going to be like, this guy

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<v Speaker 5>is slacking and a piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 3>OK, we'll put it, you know, just get that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, most of so there's really two forms, right.

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<v Speaker 5>There are some people that they do monthly rituals very

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<v Speaker 5>similar to how wickens do their monthly ritual will fall

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<v Speaker 5>like the eight spokes of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there is.

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<v Speaker 5>Seasonal rituals which some some do mainly of the focush

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<v Speaker 5>variant that I've seen where they do uh a.

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<v Speaker 1>Fall that'd be like Mabon and embolic and these type

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<v Speaker 1>of big seasonal Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Got you, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>If they're doing the if they're doing the monthly, the seasonals,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm drawing a blank on the name the names, but

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<v Speaker 5>a big one is Yule. Obviously everybody knows that's but

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<v Speaker 5>for some the dates actually change, so it's not it's

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<v Speaker 5>not end of December, it's actually early January.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now you said, is that like historically there's a

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<v Speaker 1>precedence for that, or is that more of a cultural

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<v Speaker 1>thing in today's world to your knowledge anyway?

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<v Speaker 3>Two?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, through my knowledge at least in at least in

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<v Speaker 5>the American revival, that's the word I was looking for.

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<v Speaker 5>That seems to be more of a tailtale end of

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<v Speaker 5>December into mid January. There are arguments that there is

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<v Speaker 5>a historical precedent, but honestly, what what gets really kind

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<v Speaker 5>of jammed up and makes the the studies kind of hard, is.

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<v Speaker 3>Really realistically.

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<v Speaker 5>Depending on where these people were at in what we

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<v Speaker 5>now call Europe, Like the seasons were different, so things

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<v Speaker 5>happened at different times.

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<v Speaker 3>And one thing a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 5>Overlook is like the reason I gave the kind of

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<v Speaker 5>the Anglo Saxon misnomer. So the what we the what

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<v Speaker 5>we now call England was more or less started by

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<v Speaker 5>the Anglo what we call the Anglo Saxon tribes, right,

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<v Speaker 5>Anglo Saxon languages, this, that and the other thing. So

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<v Speaker 5>the Anglo Saxons come from the Angles and the Saxons

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<v Speaker 5>who both immigrated to that area from.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say the Saxons came from.

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<v Speaker 5>Scandinavia and the Angles came from continental Europe, continent continental Germania.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're reading older books, like especially from Rome.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna call your Germania.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's that's why oftentimes you'll also hear the term

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<v Speaker 5>Germanic paganism. That's not Germany necessarily. That is, historically speaking,

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<v Speaker 5>that's what Europe was called before was Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the north of Europe, the outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>Roman Empire kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm with you on that.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Britannica or the Britannics, I should say, which

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<v Speaker 1>are like the remnants of whatever tribes are on the

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<v Speaker 1>British Isles before the Romans got there, plus the Roman

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<v Speaker 1>influence after you know, Rome fall fell and everything. When

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<v Speaker 1>the let's just call the Nordics for you know, lack

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<v Speaker 1>of the vikings the you know, because there's tribes throughout

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<v Speaker 1>in which countries they came from and everything. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Anglo saxon, the Anglo pagan that you claim is more

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<v Speaker 1>of a traditional Britannic based version of the Nordic pagan Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's and that's really dominantly because I'm like half Celtic,

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<v Speaker 5>half English. So yeah, I mean there's really, unfortunately, for

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<v Speaker 5>as little as there is on the Norse pagan religion, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>there is even less on the Celtic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Celtics are kind of set upon by the

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic Church. I actually, yeah, bro, I just uh, there

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<v Speaker 1>was this, it's like a forty five minute breakdown I

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<v Speaker 1>found on YouTube of the only religion that kun firmed

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<v Speaker 1>was successfully wiped off the face of the earth, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the Druids, because yeah, there is no written record

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<v Speaker 1>of what they were really about. All we have is

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<v Speaker 1>like Roman sources that wrote down what they saw them

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<v Speaker 1>do with a couple of their rituals, and like they

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<v Speaker 1>have no context to know what means what why they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing this. They just kind of wrote a couple things

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<v Speaker 1>down and then the Catholic Church came.

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<v Speaker 2>And just waged absolute war against them.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have people these days that are claiming that

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<v Speaker 1>they are doing Druidic practices in these things, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>like what they're based off of typically is word of

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<v Speaker 1>mouth passed down so on and so forth. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>where it gets into that air of murky waters. But so,

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<v Speaker 1>how does in for your beliefs, how does Anglo Nordic

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<v Speaker 1>paganism differ from Danish Nordic paganism or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's nuances.

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<v Speaker 3>There are, but honestly a lot of them are very subtle. Sure, So.

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<v Speaker 5>When I'm talking about it in a like on this,

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<v Speaker 5>like when I'm talking about the gods for instance, right

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<v Speaker 5>on bigger platforms, because like I used to do a

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<v Speaker 5>podcast about this, I'll use the Norse names because people

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<v Speaker 5>know Odin for Frey, Frey, et cetera. But from the

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<v Speaker 5>Anglo Saxon perspective, Odin would be Odin with a W

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<v Speaker 5>thor would be Thunar, et cetera. So in my personal

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<v Speaker 5>practice I use the more anglicized names. But really that's

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<v Speaker 5>about the extent of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm honestly kind of eclectic at the like.

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<v Speaker 5>Over the last five years, I've really gotten more just

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<v Speaker 5>like eclectic in that I use I use the.

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<v Speaker 3>I follow the Norse gods, I work with them.

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<v Speaker 5>But I've also just come to terms with the fact

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<v Speaker 5>because I have dealt with multiple groups, multiple people, and

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<v Speaker 5>at the end of the day, we are we are.

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<v Speaker 5>We are reviving a dead religion. That's ultimately what it

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<v Speaker 5>comes down to. With very little actually was written down,

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<v Speaker 5>and you have a whole bunch of quote unquote linguists that,

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<v Speaker 5>sure it can translate the words, but don't understand the

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<v Speaker 5>the context.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the times.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, And so I'm more just trying to do what

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<v Speaker 5>feels right than what somebody wrote in a book says

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<v Speaker 5>is right, because for better or worse, we have myths

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<v Speaker 5>written down, but those myths are not our Bible, right,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, So we don't have a holy scripture telling

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<v Speaker 5>us what's right and what's right and what's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>So on that same vibe, Zombie I see your hand up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna ask you get to you in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was told by a group of Nordic pagans

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<v Speaker 1>locally at an embolic festival that I went to that essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>in the Nordic religion, there is no such thing as

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<v Speaker 1>like sin, right, There's no there's nothing of that nature.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was kind of perplexed by that. So I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no going against like the will of the gods,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not a thing. And they're like, okay, sure

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<v Speaker 1>there's outright blasphemy and disrespect, but it's from what I

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<v Speaker 1>was getting given to understand. Y'all, don't pray to the

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<v Speaker 1>gods or ask for the gods to help you. You

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<v Speaker 1>more or less ask for the gods to give you

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<v Speaker 1>the guidance and the wisdom and the strength to get

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<v Speaker 1>through it on your own. Now, is that about accurate

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<v Speaker 1>or is there something I'm missing here?

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<v Speaker 5>So that's that, that's not it. That's not entirely accurate.

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<v Speaker 5>But you're you're on the right track, okay. So we

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<v Speaker 5>don't believe in sin, in that we don't believe we

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<v Speaker 5>are born having to pay the consequences for a man

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<v Speaker 5>and woman however many thousand years however, many thousand years ago,

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<v Speaker 5>we don't believe we were born imperfect beings. And some

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<v Speaker 5>of the other things that Abrahamic religion teaches about us

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<v Speaker 5>is in the human condition, not saying that's wrong, that

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<v Speaker 5>that's just the difference.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, there are definitely sins like.

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<v Speaker 5>Kin slaying, anything bad to children, yeah, not being gracious hosts,

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<v Speaker 5>like yeah, yeah, yeah, not being a gracious host.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're there, but the uh.

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<v Speaker 5>For them because there was also the concept of the knitting,

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<v Speaker 5>which the pretty much the transliteration means nothing. So somebody

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<v Speaker 5>fucked up to the point where they are nothing. They

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<v Speaker 3>An animal at that point.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, and they're in some in some uh while there's

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<v Speaker 1>This because it's not like you'll see that there's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>after death, because it's more like you're gonna you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>how you die and there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of things that go into that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not like, uh, you're gonna do something now

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<v Speaker 1>and pay for it after the am I is that

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<v Speaker 1>a correct as well or.

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<v Speaker 3>For the most part.

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<v Speaker 5>So one thing, one thing I absolutely want to clear up.

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<v Speaker 3>Valhalla is not Heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it is not. It is a version of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and a bad as one at that.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, it is a high honor. It is a high honor.

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<v Speaker 5>It is one of the places you can go after death.

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<v Speaker 5>But Valhalla is for apex predators. Like I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 3>People with body counts that we don't even.

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<v Speaker 5>Talk about, right Okay, Like I'm sorry, that's gonna ruffle

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<v Speaker 5>people that have lost lost fights to say cancer or

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<v Speaker 5>other illnesses, those are not going to get to the Valhalla.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are straw deaths.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>The main place where people go is the halls of

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<v Speaker 5>the ancestors in Helheim hell h e l a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't there a farm that either frig or frail runs

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<v Speaker 3>Folkvanger. That's the one that's so that's another thing too,

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<v Speaker 5>The machismo in the North Pagan's fears. Because I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, a lot of people overlooked that.

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<v Speaker 5>In when Warriors fell, Frea got the first pick Odin.

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<v Speaker 3>Odin respected her power so much he gives her the

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<v Speaker 1>But if she passes up to say that this dude

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<v Speaker 1>obviously belongs to Valhalla, then that's just what it is.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I mean another point is too, is you

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<v Speaker 5>be a valkyrie there to see it. You could die

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<v Speaker 5>the most heroic death ever written. But if there wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>a valkyrie there to witness it, it means nothing interesting. So

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<v Speaker 5>there is Hellheim, which is the equivalent of Tartaris. There

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<v Speaker 5>are people in the Norse pagan sphere that make the

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<v Speaker 5>linguistic argument that when Christians started coming into Europe Germania

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<v Speaker 5>and converted, they coined the term hell from the pagan

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<v Speaker 5>Hellheim to turn what was there after their the halls

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<v Speaker 5>of their ancestors and their afterlife the equivalent of Tartaris

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<v Speaker 5>like it's cool. You know, it's not bad, but it's cool. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>into a bad place. Now that being said, there is

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<v Speaker 5>a place called niffle Hell and it's described as being

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<v Speaker 5>in Hellheim, very close to Nifflheim, the Realm of Ice,

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<v Speaker 5>and it is a hall that is made up of

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<v Speaker 5>sharp spears and swords, with snakes slithering all through and

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<v Speaker 5>venom dripping where kin slayers and breakers go.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so there is a version of a quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>hell or shoal or bad spot.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a bad spot you can go.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but to get there you really have like you

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<v Speaker 5>almost have to be trying.

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<v Speaker 2>Got you okay?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 6>Sorry, sorry my phone, my phone wouldn't let it go.

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<v Speaker 6>What I was gonna say earlier about the linguists, I

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<v Speaker 6>was actually just reading about this AI transcript that they're

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<v Speaker 6>using right now. So they're actually utilizing AI to read

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<v Speaker 6>the oldest scrolls found and they've been trying to decipher

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<v Speaker 6>them forever, but they fall apart when they try to

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<v Speaker 6>even get near them. And they actually are using an

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<v Speaker 6>AI machine, which we all know how I feel about AI,

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<v Speaker 6>but they're piecing it together to be able to read this,

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<v Speaker 6>and so they were talking about you it for the

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<v Speaker 6>sagas as well, to try to you know, interpret because

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<v Speaker 6>the AI has so many known languages, it's going to

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<v Speaker 6>try to decipher what actually was being written and how

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<v Speaker 6>it translated. Which I thought that was interesting because it

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<v Speaker 6>jumped from like different religions around the world that they're

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<v Speaker 6>going to try to utilize this AI for.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard of the amusing that same and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's the same story or if there was

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, a Samarian or whatever. But I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a story of a scroll and when they tried unraveling it,

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<v Speaker 1>it did start to fall apart.

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<v Speaker 2>So they took like an X.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray scan of it and they were able to see

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<v Speaker 1>what the like, they can tell what was printed.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they plug that into an AI and they were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's yeah, it's a scroll, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is the same story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is the.

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<v Speaker 6>Same story, but they've actually like made progress. They've gotten

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<v Speaker 6>like I think they've gotten like two paragraphs were so far,

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<v Speaker 6>and they're trying to like figure out exactly like what

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<v Speaker 6>but what it's discussing and stuff. But they're thinking about

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<v Speaker 6>utilizing it for like different areas of the world to

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<v Speaker 6>try to peace in the gaps of religions that were destroyed,

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<v Speaker 6>or they only have like fragments of information.

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<v Speaker 1>So can I be honest, I do not trust AI whatsoever. However,

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<v Speaker 1>with the subaddendum of I am not mad at AI

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<v Speaker 1>being used for this purpose like realistically, to plug it

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<v Speaker 1>in and try to break down a code that humans

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<v Speaker 1>have been able to break down in forever, or to

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<v Speaker 1>decipher something like this, like I'm actually not mad at that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty dope. But okay, that's excellent. So with all that,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh sorry, Tony, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I wanted to jump in a little bit on

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<v Speaker 4>a linguistic thing. Yeah, I do speak a fair amount

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<v Speaker 4>of German, so hellheim would translate to bright home. And

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<v Speaker 4>they don't use the word hell for hell the way

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<v Speaker 4>we do. Their word is hulla for the bad place

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<v Speaker 4>you go.

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<v Speaker 2>When you die.

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<v Speaker 4>So and I think that word is related to the

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<v Speaker 4>English word whole, like a hole in the ground, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a negative place you wouldn't want to go. Another thing

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<v Speaker 4>about the now, my interpretation of the early British history

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<v Speaker 4>is that it was first these Celtic people who were

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<v Speaker 4>speaking a language kind of like Gaelic. And these Saxons

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<v Speaker 4>came from Germany in about seven eight hundred a d.

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<v Speaker 4>And Saxony, by the ways, just south of Berlin. And

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<v Speaker 4>there's another state west of Berlin called Saxon Anhalt, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's where the city of Magdeburg happens to be. So

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<v Speaker 4>the Germans kind of conquered the Celts, and then a

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<v Speaker 4>little later after that the Vikings I think, were raiding

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<v Speaker 4>the coasts all around, and then William the Conqueror from

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<v Speaker 4>France invaded. So yeah, there's multiple invasions going on here,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it was probably Christianized just before William

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<v Speaker 4>the Conqueror, if I'm not mistaken. So anyway, I just

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<v Speaker 4>it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it very much is.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, English being a German based language, it makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense that there would be some crossovers, and like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>Hellheim would mean that per German, but maybe in Denmark

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<v Speaker 1>they would have a different, a slight variation of that word,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the religious text. There was a video that

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<v Speaker 1>I found a while back. It was like five girls

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<v Speaker 1>from Nordic speaking places like Sweden, Denmark, Scandinavia, Norway, and

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<v Speaker 1>they all named the gods, and like you said earlier, Anthony,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Was Wodin or Odin or Odean.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you had Thor or Thor or Thor, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like they had these weird variations of it. But

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<v Speaker 1>they were speaking about the same god and the same

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<v Speaker 1>stories and all these things, but culturally there'd be these variations.

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<v Speaker 1>Tried to try country to country, this all checks out

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Although, Tony, glad that you are here this.

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<v Speaker 2>Evening, Yeah, glad to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just before we shot this tonight, saw that

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<v Speaker 1>there was a attack in Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you heard about this yet?

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<v Speaker 1>There was a fuel depot that was been lit on fire,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently Ukraine was successful in demolishing the eighth Army's

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<v Speaker 1>main headquarters. And it's not even near the Kurse Goblost.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good ways inland. I don't know what to

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<v Speaker 1>make of this. Of course, the media is taking it

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<v Speaker 1>to say like this is just another nail in the

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<v Speaker 1>coffin of Russia, but it is so many things are

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<v Speaker 1>ramping up right now and Ukraine's actually making some decent progress.

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<v Speaker 1>What have you heard on your end as far as

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<v Speaker 1>just the whole situation in Russia and Ukraine, not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>of this one attack, but of everything when you're in.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm not quite that up to date then, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I have heard of pretty deep Ukrainian rocket and drone

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<v Speaker 4>attacks into Russia. Yeah, they're using every tool they can. However,

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<v Speaker 4>when it comes to Kursk, except for maybe the last

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<v Speaker 4>thirty square miles, the Russians have mostly pushed Ukrainians out.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, I'm still I'm overall optimistic for Russia

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<v Speaker 4>to win this thing. Overall. It's taken them a lot

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<v Speaker 4>longer than I thought it would. I think it's taken

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<v Speaker 4>longer than the pro Russian optimists thought it would.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they thought it was gonna be like a two

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<v Speaker 1>week ordeal or something like that in the beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean, right, yeah, there were some optimists on

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<v Speaker 4>both sides. It was the whole will all be home

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<v Speaker 4>for Christmas kind of spirit, and you know, it just

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<v Speaker 4>obviously the optimists on both sides were wrong. But yeah, Russia,

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<v Speaker 4>it's got like ninety nine point nine percent of Lugansk

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<v Speaker 4>Province now and part of Harkoff and about two thirds

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<v Speaker 4>or three quarters of all the other three bew to territories.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think, yeah, they will eventually win this thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So I wonder what Trump's gonna do, because Trump has

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<v Speaker 4>made a big deal about trying to end this. But

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<v Speaker 4>I actually don't think that Russia and Ukraine really want

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<v Speaker 4>to sit down at the negotiation table quite yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So let me ask you, in this completely opinion

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<v Speaker 1>based one hundred what does Russia winning quote unquote look

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<v Speaker 1>like in your eyes? In your perspective, because I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, I don't even see what Ukraine winning looks

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<v Speaker 1>like like. Okay, optimistically, rose colored covered pedestal. Here they

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<v Speaker 1>get back Crimea and all of their land, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like it was in twenty ten. I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>that as an actual viable option, honestly. That's that's completely

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sunshine and rainbow type of thing. But what

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<v Speaker 1>does winning look like for from Russia's perspective, the envelopment

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<v Speaker 1>of the entire country, stopping at the oblasts that they've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten and just calling it quits.

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<v Speaker 2>What does it seem like it would be on your end?

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<v Speaker 4>I think for Russia they would consider victory to be

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<v Speaker 4>taking these four oblasty Lugansknetsk, Zapporosia, and Harson. They've got

431
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<v Speaker 4>almost all of Lugansk right now, they got like two

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<v Speaker 4>thirds or three quarters of all the rest of the

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<v Speaker 4>three of them. And I think if they were to

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<v Speaker 4>you know, push all the way to the to the

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<v Speaker 4>boundaries of those oblasty and maybe a few kilometers past

436
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<v Speaker 4>that for some kind of extra safety buffer, I think

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<v Speaker 4>they would consider that to be a victory and they

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<v Speaker 4>would be okay negotiating a peace agreement there. The only

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<v Speaker 4>other spot that I think they would have a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of interest in is Odessa, that is west of Crimea,

441
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<v Speaker 4>and that is Ukraine's last remaining access to the Black Sea.

442
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:09.799
<v Speaker 4>And it's also got a pretty you know, Russian speaking population.

443
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<v Speaker 4>So there's it's hard to say exactly what public opinion

444
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:21.319
<v Speaker 4>is in any of these places, because of course the sources. Yeah, yeah,

445
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.519
<v Speaker 4>it's really hard to tell what public opinion is. And

446
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:26.920
<v Speaker 4>this goes for the American Civil War, the American Revolutionary War,

447
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:31.240
<v Speaker 4>this goes for any war. It's all very speculative and

448
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:36.279
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people keep their mouths shut. Sure, So, yeah,

449
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<v Speaker 4>Ukraine is very politically divided east to west by the way,

450
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<v Speaker 4>and I think the best information on that would be

451
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<v Speaker 4>the elections that were held, you know, like a decade ago.

452
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<v Speaker 4>The Ukrainian nationalist parties are overwhelmingly popular in the West,

453
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<v Speaker 4>and by contrast, the I think Party of Regions was

454
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<v Speaker 4>the name of Yanikovich's party, and that was overwhelmingly popular

455
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<v Speaker 4>in the East, eighty percent majorities in both. And you know,

456
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<v Speaker 4>in the US the deepest red and deepest blue states

457
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:12.279
<v Speaker 4>do not have supermajorities overwhelming majorities quite like that. In

458
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<v Speaker 4>California it's like sixty forty. In Texas it's like fifty

459
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:17.640
<v Speaker 4>five forty five. It feels like.

460
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<v Speaker 2>It didn't used to be. But boy, in the last

461
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:22.839
<v Speaker 2>decade it has become that, hasn't it.

462
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's become a lot more purple. Yeah, And I

463
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:29.759
<v Speaker 4>live in Texas and I hope it stays red.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Right, That's just.

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<v Speaker 4>My personal inclination. But yeah, the political polarization in Ukraine

466
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 4>is way stronger than it is here, and that's saying something.

467
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<v Speaker 4>So it was a tinderbox before, you know, years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, And I also agree with your your analysis

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<v Speaker 1>on Odessa being a potential place that they're trying to

470
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<v Speaker 1>really sink their claws into. Okay, that sounded that sounded

471
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<v Speaker 1>a little biased. You know what I'm saying, put up

472
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<v Speaker 1>foothold in because have you heard anything more about what

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<v Speaker 1>happened with the Russian bases in Syria? Because that as

474
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<v Speaker 1>far as naval assets go for Russia, there's a few

475
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<v Speaker 1>key ports that would be make or break for them.

476
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<v Speaker 1>They just lost their massive air base and their massive

477
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<v Speaker 1>naval base in Syria because the entire side regime has fallen.

478
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<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard anything about if they're still holding that terrain,

479
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:28.279
<v Speaker 1>if they've evacuated the troops and the equipment, or what

480
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 1>the situation is cause Syria. Last time I looked at

481
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the map, it's like subdivided into nine different zones almost,

482
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.079
<v Speaker 1>and depending on which group and which warlord you're talking to,

483
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<v Speaker 1>depends on which land you're currently talking about.

484
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<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, Syria.

485
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<v Speaker 4>You know, I wish I knew more about it, but

486
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:46.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, I was trying to keep up with the

487
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.440
<v Speaker 4>news a couple of weeks ago. It sounds like Russia

488
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 4>has still got a pretty good foothold there. And these

489
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:57.079
<v Speaker 4>new guys Joe Lani and Neustra or Hyat Tarira al Sham,

490
00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:02.400
<v Speaker 4>they're not gonna ride a unseat Russia from Latakia or

491
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<v Speaker 4>I think the other the other spot is mame him

492
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<v Speaker 4>if I'm pronouncing that right, it's kind of and the

493
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:10.839
<v Speaker 4>way I see that is actually very similar to when

494
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 4>Castro took over Cuba and he didn't touch Guantanamo Bay

495
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:21.440
<v Speaker 4>because that would have been suicide. So I think it's

496
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:25.640
<v Speaker 4>a very similar situation with HTS and Syria. The western

497
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.559
<v Speaker 4>part of Syria is the part that's got the Alo Whites,

498
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.880
<v Speaker 4>the drus and the Christians, and they're the more Asad

499
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:36.440
<v Speaker 4>friendly demographic and the more Russian friendly demographic, and that's

500
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:42.680
<v Speaker 4>where these Russian bases are. I've seen some negative videos

501
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:47.200
<v Speaker 4>out of Syria of these HTS people executing people. My

502
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 4>overall impression is that, you know, I was more pro Aside,

503
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.359
<v Speaker 4>even though he was a bad guy. I think these

504
00:29:55.799 --> 00:30:01.079
<v Speaker 4>new guys are worse. I'm hoping that, you know, things

505
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:05.640
<v Speaker 4>will be peaceful there. But my future speculation for Sirius

506
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:07.880
<v Speaker 4>it's going to be like Libya ten years from now.

507
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.759
<v Speaker 4>It's probably still going to be divided and you know,

508
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:16.559
<v Speaker 4>low level, hopefully very low level violence, maybe simmering. A

509
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:19.839
<v Speaker 4>few people die here and there, but hopefully nothing like

510
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 4>major mass casualty. Events or anything, and I think Russia

511
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:25.440
<v Speaker 4>will hang on to those bases.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've heard a lot of people as a matter

513
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<v Speaker 1>of fact. Yeah, of course, when Asad was in power,

514
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.079
<v Speaker 1>you had people that were pro and anti him, and

515
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:36.799
<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of reasons why people could be

516
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<v Speaker 1>anti Assad. You know, he did, in fact use chemical

517
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:42.799
<v Speaker 1>weapons on civilians, He did, in fact do certain things

518
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<v Speaker 1>like But at the same time, when you look at

519
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>that region of the world, the fact that he was

520
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.559
<v Speaker 1>an Alawad and the fact that he led the nation

521
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<v Speaker 1>as he did for as long as he did, Like

522
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<v Speaker 1>he didn't stay in power just because he had an

523
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<v Speaker 1>iron fist because of the Again, this is not I.

524
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<v Speaker 2>Don't live there. I'm not a Muslim. I actually have

525
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:01.000
<v Speaker 2>no dog in this fight.

526
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<v Speaker 1>But from what I was given to believe, because of

527
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 1>the type of Muslim he is, it was like he

528
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.519
<v Speaker 1>was not liked by anybody, but he also wasn't hated

529
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<v Speaker 1>by anybody, because that group is seen as kind of

530
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>like a group of Islamic mystics almost so they're like

531
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Islam kind of similar to how like the Christians look

532
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>at the Mormons, right, like if a Mormon was to

533
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>take over America, like the Christians wouldn't be mad at it,

534
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.680
<v Speaker 1>but they wouldn't be happy about it either, kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh huh. Yeah, Siria's seventy percent Sunni Muslim. I think

536
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.359
<v Speaker 4>that the Sunies more like Protestants and the shed Is

537
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:42.440
<v Speaker 4>more like Catholics. Yeah, and the ala Whites are Yeah.

538
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 4>I think your analogy to the Mormons is uh is

539
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.359
<v Speaker 4>pretty good. I mean, I wish I knew more about

540
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.799
<v Speaker 4>their faith, but they're just like a smaller minority. So

541
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.960
<v Speaker 4>the radical Suonis they really don't like Ala White theology.

542
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.960
<v Speaker 4>They don't like anybody but themselves really sure, the Sunnies,

543
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.200
<v Speaker 4>but even you know, among the Sunnies, I would say

544
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:10.000
<v Speaker 4>that isis is a minority. You know, most Sunies are

545
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:12.319
<v Speaker 4>more go along, get along kinds of people.

546
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

547
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. To get back to the chemical weapon thing, I

548
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:21.480
<v Speaker 4>don't really agree with that. I think those were false flags.

549
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.640
<v Speaker 4>There were three big ones. There was Guta, Duma, and

550
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:29.799
<v Speaker 4>Kansha Kun and I think all three of those were

551
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:35.640
<v Speaker 4>actually either misinterpreted because aside he did drop a lot

552
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.839
<v Speaker 4>of barrel bombs and stuff. There were plenty of people

553
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:42.400
<v Speaker 4>killed just through conventional bombings, but people would be afraid

554
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:44.960
<v Speaker 4>of gas. You know they would think that, oh, maybe

555
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:46.839
<v Speaker 4>it's a gas attack, but really it's just a bunch

556
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.200
<v Speaker 4>of pulverized concrete. Or in the case of Guta in

557
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 4>twenty thirteen, I think that really was a chemical weapons attack,

558
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.799
<v Speaker 4>but it was launched by the Noose or front.

559
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 1>I honest with you, I actually don't know with certainty

560
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.599
<v Speaker 1>if those were false flags or not this happened. I

561
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<v Speaker 1>think I was in the Marine Corps or maybe even

562
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 1>I was in high school when those were dropped, and

563
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I remember hearing about them, and it was chlorine bombs

564
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:14.519
<v Speaker 1>and that was like the big thing, and I thought

565
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>that was wild. But I actually never did any more

566
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.319
<v Speaker 1>digging into it. So I guess I should have said

567
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.559
<v Speaker 1>there was allegations of chemical biological weapons used on his people.

568
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, if we're gonna get real with that,

569
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.440
<v Speaker 1>we were homies with Saddam and we even gave him

570
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.720
<v Speaker 1>the saren gas that he used on the Kurds later on,

571
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.880
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, it's if we're gonna get real technical

572
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>about throwing shade at people for doing things that they

573
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:43.759
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have. I mean, yeah, no, I'm not a fan

574
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.079
<v Speaker 1>of it, but it is how that area of the

575
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:47.519
<v Speaker 1>world operates unfortunately.

576
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And by the way, you might know who was

577
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:54.079
<v Speaker 4>initially blamed for the Halabja chemical weapons attack in nineteen

578
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:59.039
<v Speaker 4>eighty eight, It was Iran. America tried to blame Iran

579
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 4>for it in nineteen eighty eight, and then around the

580
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:05.400
<v Speaker 4>Gulf War time in ninety one, it became more convenient

581
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.039
<v Speaker 4>to blame Saddam Hussein for it, and Saddam Hussein was

582
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:11.559
<v Speaker 4>actually guilty of it, right, But this just goes to show,

583
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.039
<v Speaker 4>you know, whoever gets assigned the blame is whoever it's

584
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:19.280
<v Speaker 4>politically convenient to assign him to the first attack, the

585
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.119
<v Speaker 4>Guta attack, was in twenty thirteen.

586
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.280
<v Speaker 1>That was the big one that was in the Marine

587
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Corps at that time. Okay, I was on something there,

588
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:25.960
<v Speaker 1>all right.

589
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is near Damascus and it killed about one

590
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:34.559
<v Speaker 4>thousand people. It was. It was huge. And that was

591
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:38.480
<v Speaker 4>the one where Obama said that, well, I guess the

592
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:40.599
<v Speaker 4>red line has been crossed. I guess maybe we're going

593
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:44.440
<v Speaker 4>to have to go to war with Syria. But the OPCW,

594
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<v Speaker 4>the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons started, you know,

595
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:54.079
<v Speaker 4>collecting data, and they did not draw conclusion on this

596
00:34:54.559 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 4>to say, Asad definitely did it, and Obama and the

597
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:04.559
<v Speaker 4>Congress at the time, they were getting a lot of

598
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 4>letters from constituents saying that they didn't want war with Syria,

599
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:10.519
<v Speaker 4>and Obama he had kind of a hard call to make,

600
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:15.159
<v Speaker 4>but he ended up. This was only two years after Libya, right,

601
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.440
<v Speaker 4>and he said, Okay, I'm not listening to Hillary Clinton

602
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.719
<v Speaker 4>or Joe Biden. I'm gonna not go to war with Syria.

603
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:24.159
<v Speaker 4>And I think that was the right call to make.

604
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:26.920
<v Speaker 4>And I agree with huge Obama guy.

605
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a fan of him whatsoever, but I do

606
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:35.199
<v Speaker 1>agree that we already were involved in two different foreign conflicts.

607
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.320
<v Speaker 2>We really didn't need to add a third.

608
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<v Speaker 1>And I also think him being the populist president that

609
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>he was, I mean, at one point he was actually

610
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<v Speaker 1>just polling.

611
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.840
<v Speaker 2>People to see what he should do next.

612
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>And I definitely think that him starting a third warfront

613
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:54.199
<v Speaker 1>would have gone horribly for him. So this makes sense.

614
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 1>And plusure like, he's twenty thirteen. That was right after

615
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>his second inauguration. He was only one year into his

616
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.840
<v Speaker 1>second term, so he you know, he he wasn't trying

617
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.440
<v Speaker 1>to do that with his final tour.

618
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.320
<v Speaker 2>So to speak. So yeah, a lot of things make sense.

619
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<v Speaker 1>As far as that goes, And like you said, a

620
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.159
<v Speaker 1>lot of the credibility of if those bombs were in

621
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:21.760
<v Speaker 1>fact chemical, biological or not, Were they absolutely from him

622
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 1>or not.

623
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.079
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of up in the air types of things.

624
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:26.239
<v Speaker 2>I do.

625
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:30.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't even People were trying to throw it out, like, oh, well,

626
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.199
<v Speaker 1>you know he found asylum in Russia, and now it

627
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.559
<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, Russia's got two massive military bases in

628
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.440
<v Speaker 1>that country. He's homies with Putin, and like that would

629
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.159
<v Speaker 1>make sense to me that you would find asylum in Russia.

630
00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:44.239
<v Speaker 2>But like, so did Edward Snowden, you know what I mean?

631
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:45.320
<v Speaker 2>So I get it.

632
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, with Edward Snowden, it was quite by accident. You

633
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.800
<v Speaker 4>might have been aware of this. I think he talked

634
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<v Speaker 4>to Glenn Greenwald in Hong Kong and then he wanted

635
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<v Speaker 4>to fly through Russia to Ecuador kind of avoid the US,

636
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.360
<v Speaker 4>but he was having a layover in Russia, and then

637
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:09.159
<v Speaker 4>the US revoked his passport, and then Russia, I guess,

638
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:12.599
<v Speaker 4>took advantage of it and said, Okay, I guess, well,

639
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:14.599
<v Speaker 4>we kind of want you stuck here anyway. So you're

640
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:18.760
<v Speaker 4>stuck here, we're not letting you out. So that's how

641
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.159
<v Speaker 4>he ended up there. But he's married and I think

642
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:22.119
<v Speaker 4>he has kids now.

643
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<v Speaker 1>About that, I honestly I forgot that he accidentally ended

644
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:27.719
<v Speaker 1>up there.

645
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Holy wow.

646
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and his girlfriend at the time went and they

647
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.320
<v Speaker 4>got married and they're still there. He's still he's on

648
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:43.599
<v Speaker 4>Twitter and stuff. I listened to his autobiography memoir on tape,

649
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.960
<v Speaker 4>and yeah, he tried to become Special Forces, but he

650
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:52.400
<v Speaker 4>broke his fibula or something, so that's how he ended

651
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 4>up more of a computer nerd. Yeah, it's worth listening

652
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.719
<v Speaker 4>to or reading if I think you'd.

653
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Like it, I absolutely will do this because I mean,

654
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I personally see him as a hero. I know a

655
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of people for some reason, people think he's a trader.

656
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:10.840
<v Speaker 1>And it's like the people that do that, the people

657
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:15.039
<v Speaker 1>that really believe that, I guess they don't understand what

658
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.440
<v Speaker 1>the Patriot Act is. I guess they don't understand what

659
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:21.360
<v Speaker 1>the NSA does. It's you know, it's better huh.

660
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:23.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

661
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:29.000
<v Speaker 4>I had a question for Anthony on this Saxon Anglo

662
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:37.000
<v Speaker 4>Saxon religion. Yeah, is there a lot of ancestor veneration

663
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.920
<v Speaker 4>in it? Because that's my impression of pagan societies as

664
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 4>a whole, especially in East Asia, they do a lot

665
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:43.679
<v Speaker 4>of that.

666
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:51.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there, ancestor veneration is is very much a hypoint,

667
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.920
<v Speaker 5>I would argue. I think I feel like I could

668
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:56.639
<v Speaker 5>reasonably argue.

669
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:58.000
<v Speaker 3>That it is.

670
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:03.840
<v Speaker 5>On if not just slightly below worship of the gods,

671
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.719
<v Speaker 5>but in a lot of things that I have read in.

672
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:14.039
<v Speaker 3>Like in histories or whatever.

673
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.960
<v Speaker 5>Kind of touching back on when Jacob was asking if

674
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:21.719
<v Speaker 5>people reach out to the gods about things, oftentimes people

675
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 5>were reaching out to the spirits of their ancestors before

676
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:28.159
<v Speaker 5>they reached out to the gods. So yes, you could

677
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.800
<v Speaker 5>very much say that that is a big part of it.

678
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:35.559
<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't definitely not the only thing, but ancestral veneration

679
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:36.400
<v Speaker 5>is a big part of it.

680
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.559
<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir, So I've heard that as far as that

681
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.519
<v Speaker 1>goes the gods. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

682
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:45.480
<v Speaker 1>The gods don't really care about humans or what humans

683
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:48.519
<v Speaker 1>are doing. They take note of exceptional humans, whether that

684
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:53.559
<v Speaker 1>be positive or negative, but they'll help if called upon

685
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:56.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. But like they're doing their thing, They're

686
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:58.239
<v Speaker 1>doing their god thing over on their end. They're not

687
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>like constantly worried about what we got going on.

688
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Is that also correct.

689
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:04.440
<v Speaker 1>And if so, is that why people would go to

690
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>their ancestors before the gods kind of thing.

691
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:11.760
<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't say they don't care. I would say, the

692
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 5>gods are up there doing god shit right, so they're

693
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:24.159
<v Speaker 5>more looking at us as a whole than the individuals. Okay,

694
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:29.840
<v Speaker 5>like the the reason that people went to their ancestors

695
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:36.920
<v Speaker 5>or land spirits because there are some There is some

696
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:44.079
<v Speaker 5>lore that suggests one of the things that can happen

697
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:49.079
<v Speaker 5>after you die is become a dissier if you're a woman,

698
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:53.880
<v Speaker 5>which is essentially a it's a term specifically meaning a

699
00:40:53.920 --> 00:41:00.559
<v Speaker 5>female spirit. Like one of Frea's kinnings is Vanadis, meaning

700
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:05.719
<v Speaker 5>this year of the vonn Ear. I cannot recall what

701
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.480
<v Speaker 5>this year actually translates out to, but it is a

702
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:13.719
<v Speaker 5>it is a almost a matriarchal spirit. Then there's some

703
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:17.599
<v Speaker 5>lord that suggests, like men that die could potentially become.

704
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.360
<v Speaker 3>ALFs or elves or.

705
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.519
<v Speaker 5>Dying into the mound, becoming a land spirit of a

706
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 5>particular area. So but anyways, getting to the point of

707
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:35.840
<v Speaker 5>the asking your ancestors more whether they were wherever they

708
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:39.920
<v Speaker 5>were at your ancestors are more directly connected to you.

709
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:46.159
<v Speaker 5>They have a more directed vent vested interest in your success.

710
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.760
<v Speaker 5>And because they're not having to worry about god shit,

711
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:56.880
<v Speaker 5>they are more ready and a not more ready and

712
00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:58.960
<v Speaker 5>able to help you.

713
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.920
<v Speaker 3>With your needs. Like I'll be honest, I can't remember

714
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 3>the last.

715
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:08.880
<v Speaker 5>Time I petitioned or did an actual ritual to the

716
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:12.920
<v Speaker 5>gods for anything, like periodically when I feel the call

717
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 5>all quote unquote pray and give like a nod if

718
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:19.280
<v Speaker 5>I felt something came through from them.

719
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:25.599
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean people reach out.

720
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:29.400
<v Speaker 5>I would say for the day, for the dailies, or

721
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:31.599
<v Speaker 5>you need help from the other side, You're going to

722
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:32.960
<v Speaker 5>reach out to your ancestors.

723
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Can a female spirit become a valkyrie on the other

724
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:39.440
<v Speaker 1>side or valkyriees? Just they are what they are, They're

725
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:43.159
<v Speaker 1>created that way. It's not like that. I only asked

726
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 1>that because you said something about men being able to

727
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.840
<v Speaker 1>come elves or ale olves or whatever. So it's like,

728
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:51.159
<v Speaker 1>so could is that also within the realm of possibility?

729
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.119
<v Speaker 5>So okay, So the men becoming olves, that is highly contested, Okay,

730
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.360
<v Speaker 5>I only mentioned I only mentioned that as it's something

731
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:06.360
<v Speaker 5>that is talked about in what could loosely be.

732
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.559
<v Speaker 3>Called the Germanic pagan apologetics.

733
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Got you.

734
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:17.559
<v Speaker 5>As far as women becoming valkyries. For everything I have read.

735
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 3>And I am far from an expert, sure those seem

736
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:21.360
<v Speaker 3>to be.

737
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:29.880
<v Speaker 5>Lesser goddesses, so not not not made god, not like

738
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:36.599
<v Speaker 5>a woman dies and becomes a valkyrie.

739
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.440
<v Speaker 3>So because I mean.

740
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:46.039
<v Speaker 5>Also, like realistically, even though we know there were female warriors,

741
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:47.679
<v Speaker 5>the small percentage, but they were there.

742
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:49.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we don't ever.

743
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:54.199
<v Speaker 5>Hear stories about female warriors going to Valhalla and the

744
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:57.760
<v Speaker 5>valkyries while they are the choosers of the slain slain

745
00:43:58.639 --> 00:43:59.719
<v Speaker 5>all due respect.

746
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Ladies looking up, I gotta I gotta throw that out there.

747
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:04.039
<v Speaker 3>They are kind of the mead.

748
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:08.119
<v Speaker 5>Wenches of Valhalla, like they're the ones serving the meat,

749
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:13.039
<v Speaker 5>giving all the meat and servicing the feasts that happened there.

750
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I will say there's probably exceptions to that rule, like

751
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>like Boudica I would think is probably partying in Valhalla,

752
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:23.800
<v Speaker 1>not serving in Valhalla, you know what I mean. So

753
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.679
<v Speaker 1>there's got to be those exceptions. Like you said, you

754
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.199
<v Speaker 1>got to give the credence to it. But okay, so

755
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:30.440
<v Speaker 1>according to most of.

756
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.559
<v Speaker 5>The literal I'm not taking anything away from the badass females.

757
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.719
<v Speaker 5>What I'm saying is as far as anything talked about

758
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:38.480
<v Speaker 5>as far.

759
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:41.000
<v Speaker 3>As warriors in.

760
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.920
<v Speaker 5>European history that would have been deemed worthy of valhalla,

761
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 5>because obviously that happens when we die, we don't know

762
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:54.719
<v Speaker 5>who's actually where, gotcha? I have read anything about a

763
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:55.559
<v Speaker 5>female warrior.

764
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 3>But also the part to that.

765
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Speaker 5>Another thing that makes things extremely difficul is the ancient

766
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 5>Pagans of Europe, just like the Celts, they passed everything

767
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:07.920
<v Speaker 5>down orally, sure.

768
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:10.039
<v Speaker 3>We don't.

769
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:14.320
<v Speaker 5>We get the pros at A and the poetic at

770
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:19.639
<v Speaker 5>A from Snorri Storlsin and he wrote that in I

771
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.199
<v Speaker 5>want to believe, I want to say eleven hundred ish,

772
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:24.400
<v Speaker 5>maybe twelve hundred.

773
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:26.719
<v Speaker 2>I know it was before thirteen for sure.

774
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, and that was it was after Iceland had

775
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 5>already been Christian for about one hundred years.

776
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:34.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

777
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.679
<v Speaker 1>And then so you'll hear something, is that the Icelandic sagas,

778
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.239
<v Speaker 1>that's the pros and poeta or poetic or is that

779
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:41.719
<v Speaker 1>is the Icelandic saga.

780
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Is a completely different thing altogether.

781
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I've heard that term be thrown out, and I don't

782
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:50.119
<v Speaker 1>know if that's like an all encompassing term for both

783
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 1>or if that's a whole extra thing with it.

784
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm not. You know.

785
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.960
<v Speaker 1>At one point I had the Grim Frost, really nice

786
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.719
<v Speaker 1>book that had all the gorgeous illae strations and the

787
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:02.559
<v Speaker 1>stories of all of these things. I have since passed

788
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:04.559
<v Speaker 1>it on to a dear friend who is also a

789
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.519
<v Speaker 1>Nordic pagan and thought they would appreciate a lot more

790
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.840
<v Speaker 1>than I would. But yeah, they went into it a

791
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:13.320
<v Speaker 1>good bit and it was kind of the combination of

792
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:16.280
<v Speaker 1>the pros and poetic to make the storyline of the

793
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Grim Frost book.

794
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Of the pagan gods and stuff, you know.

795
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:23.280
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know the intricacies of it all.

796
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:28.119
<v Speaker 5>So I have personally never read the Icelandic sagas.

797
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that is different, gotcha.

798
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:33.559
<v Speaker 5>So it could be the same thing in a different

799
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:38.119
<v Speaker 5>in a slightly different setup, slightly different version, because like,

800
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:41.519
<v Speaker 5>for instance, where Balder dies, there's two main miss right,

801
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.480
<v Speaker 5>there's the one everybody knows with the missile tup or

802
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:48.320
<v Speaker 5>with the hand without about miss about Loki with the

803
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:52.639
<v Speaker 5>missiletoe and his blind brother Balder. But there's also another

804
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.599
<v Speaker 5>version of the myth where Loki doesn't have.

805
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:58.280
<v Speaker 3>Anything to do with it.

806
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:03.199
<v Speaker 5>Balder Balder and his Balder and his blind brother Holdor

807
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:08.760
<v Speaker 5>fought over the right to marry Nana and Balder. Balder

808
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:12.039
<v Speaker 5>killed him in that fight. So there's two different The

809
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:19.840
<v Speaker 5>one with Loki is the most popular, and I honestly

810
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.239
<v Speaker 5>think the reason it is most it is the most

811
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:28.639
<v Speaker 5>popular is because it's the one that depicts that closest

812
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 5>lee depicts Loki as the devil, and that.

813
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.639
<v Speaker 2>Is so unfair. I'm gonna be honest.

814
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:36.639
<v Speaker 1>I have done with the digging that I have done

815
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:40.079
<v Speaker 1>into Norse paganism and all of these things.

816
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Yo, Loki is very rarely the bad guy.

817
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's got some he's got some mischief with him,

818
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:50.159
<v Speaker 1>all right, Yeah, But typically he is put to task

819
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.599
<v Speaker 1>by others and then gets blamed for things after the fact.

820
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:57.159
<v Speaker 3>So I will.

821
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:01.719
<v Speaker 5>So what I have come to my understanding of Loki

822
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 5>as a being is he is the epitome of knowledge

823
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:07.599
<v Speaker 5>without wisdom.

824
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:11.239
<v Speaker 2>I like that, you yes, Okay?

825
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:15.440
<v Speaker 5>So where Odin is wisdom and Odin and Loki are

826
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.079
<v Speaker 5>blood brothers, it's not Thor and Loki are not brothers.

827
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Like the way it's depicted in Marble.

828
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:27.480
<v Speaker 5>Loki makes a lot of bad decisions and he pays

829
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:28.880
<v Speaker 5>the consequences for them.

830
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Now, it can.

831
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:34.519
<v Speaker 5>Also be said that if Loki didn't make these bad decisions,

832
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:40.880
<v Speaker 5>the gods wouldn't have gotten wouldn't have grown right, right.

833
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:45.960
<v Speaker 3>So it's it's why I say there is no.

834
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:50.639
<v Speaker 5>Absolute good and evil in paganism, you know. And like

835
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 5>while you know, and another thing talking on the sin is,

836
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:59.920
<v Speaker 5>while we don't necessarily have any historical records of any

837
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:07.320
<v Speaker 5>buddy worshiping the yolknar the giants, right, there's people now

838
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:07.760
<v Speaker 5>that do.

839
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh, of course there are there's people that worship demons.

840
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Of course there's good. There's gotta be those people out.

841
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:14.159
<v Speaker 2>There, you know.

842
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:14.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

843
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.440
<v Speaker 5>Well, and so here's my argument to the people that say,

844
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:23.920
<v Speaker 5>uh oh, that didn't happen. Okay, cut and dry, simplistic argument.

845
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.039
<v Speaker 5>If the gods are good and the Yotan's are bad,

846
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:28.880
<v Speaker 5>if you are telling me that there is nobody that

847
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:34.760
<v Speaker 5>worshiped and venerated the bad side of that fence, my

848
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.400
<v Speaker 5>ancestors would have been the only people that didn't have

849
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:41.280
<v Speaker 5>that problem in all of human religious history.

850
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I don't.

851
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:46.280
<v Speaker 5>Believe that that doesn't make sense, That doesn't pass the

852
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:46.920
<v Speaker 5>smell test.

853
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Now, I can understand why it wouldn't have been documented, sure,

854
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:55.079
<v Speaker 3>but so's it's it's just one of those.

855
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.639
<v Speaker 5>It's just one of those gray areas. I completely forgot

856
00:49:57.639 --> 00:49:58.519
<v Speaker 5>where I was going with that.

857
00:49:58.599 --> 00:49:59.480
<v Speaker 3>I got on attended.

858
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm good, I'm glad you did. I've thoroughly enjoyed the

859
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:04.920
<v Speaker 1>tangent man. Although I do like that you said the

860
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.440
<v Speaker 1>term a Germanic apologist earlier.

861
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:09.960
<v Speaker 2>That's a term that we don't really hear much ever.

862
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:18.079
<v Speaker 1>But speaking on apologist, Tony, you are an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

863
00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:18.559
<v Speaker 2>Correct.

864
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.280
<v Speaker 4>No, No, it might surprise you, but no, I'm I'm

865
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.320
<v Speaker 4>a fourth degree Knight of Columbus Roman Catholic.

866
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:28.760
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. I do remember you mentioned that

867
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.679
<v Speaker 1>in a chat. So you are also a night same

868
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:34.760
<v Speaker 1>as I am, but of a different of a different order.

869
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:36.639
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't know that.

870
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess I thought that because you're pro Russian in

871
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 1>so many ways, for some reason, I thought you were

872
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>siding with the Russian Orthodox Church. My apologies if I

873
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.880
<v Speaker 1>like mislabeled you, brother, It was not intentional.

874
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:49.639
<v Speaker 2>I just kind of put that.

875
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:52.079
<v Speaker 4>I don't take it as an insult at all. In fact,

876
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:54.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, I got plenty of respect for East Orthodox

877
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:57.599
<v Speaker 4>and I know a guy there was a guy who

878
00:50:57.719 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 4>used to be a night of Columbus with me, and

879
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:03.360
<v Speaker 4>he actually converted to Russian Orthodox earlier this year, to

880
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:06.920
<v Speaker 4>the chagrin of our Grand Night, and it was kind

881
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:08.840
<v Speaker 4>of a surprise to me too. But there's a lot

882
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.719
<v Speaker 4>of young men go in that direction because it's perceived

883
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 4>as being more masculine than the other main American Christian denominations.

884
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:21.880
<v Speaker 4>You might have seen the same thing. I've seen articles

885
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:25.119
<v Speaker 4>on it. Especially the most right wing young men tend

886
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:26.880
<v Speaker 4>to go to Russian Orthodox.

887
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.679
<v Speaker 1>It's strange to me, and it's not because of anything

888
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.639
<v Speaker 1>negative by any means. It's just as far as a religion,

889
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:39.519
<v Speaker 1>especially in today's modern era, right for somebody to go

890
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:44.119
<v Speaker 1>into a religion that's based in traditions and structure and

891
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:46.960
<v Speaker 1>order and all these things. The Catholic Church is usually

892
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:49.920
<v Speaker 1>the one that stands out among the crowd, dude. The

893
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Russian and Eastern Orthodox Church has rules within rules on

894
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:57.599
<v Speaker 1>top of rules. So I have a brother knight of

895
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.559
<v Speaker 1>my order who is a Russian Orthodox Christians. So we

896
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:03.119
<v Speaker 1>accept all Christians of every faith as long as you

897
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:05.159
<v Speaker 1>are in fact a Christian. And then we also have

898
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:10.039
<v Speaker 1>some Jewish members of a like tangential order, but we

899
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:11.639
<v Speaker 1>still accept them among our ranks.

900
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:14.760
<v Speaker 2>It's they're the order of merit. And actually a matter

901
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.119
<v Speaker 2>of fact, our in our priory in New Orleans, we

902
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:18.920
<v Speaker 2>have one Jewish member. I love him to death. He's

903
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:20.199
<v Speaker 2>an amazing guy. He's a doctor.

904
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:25.280
<v Speaker 1>But they we accept all types of Christians. And so

905
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I was talking to this guy. He is coming up

906
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.119
<v Speaker 1>there in age, and by coming up in age, I

907
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:34.280
<v Speaker 1>mean he's almost forty and he is a lay person

908
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:37.719
<v Speaker 1>within the church or or something. I forget to what

909
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:42.719
<v Speaker 1>level or to what degree he's like a.

910
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:42.679
<v Speaker 2>A member of this faith.

911
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:44.400
<v Speaker 1>He has gone through the classes and he's like, I

912
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:48.239
<v Speaker 1>guess their version of like a seminary or something like that. Essentially,

913
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:51.039
<v Speaker 1>if he doesn't get married before he's forty, he's basically

914
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:54.719
<v Speaker 1>doomed to a vow of chastity per their religious dogma.

915
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:58.280
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, bruh, big dog, were you talking about here?

916
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:01.800
<v Speaker 1>And he's yeah, yeah, I'm I'm like really looking for

917
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.280
<v Speaker 1>a wife right now, and he's not looking at one

918
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>for Like, this guy is just one of the genuinely

919
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:11.000
<v Speaker 1>most amazing dudes I've ever met. Like any woman would

920
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:14.079
<v Speaker 1>be lucky to marry him. Honestly, he really is a catch.

921
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:16.920
<v Speaker 1>But I didn't realize there was that type of a

922
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:19.239
<v Speaker 1>fire under his ass to do this bro like a

923
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:24.079
<v Speaker 1>real lifetime crunch. And I haven't heard of many Christian

924
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:25.599
<v Speaker 1>religions that do such things.

925
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:29.000
<v Speaker 4>Man, Yeah, I think I've heard a similar thing. I

926
00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.719
<v Speaker 4>didn't realize it was a age forty age limit. I

927
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:33.519
<v Speaker 4>thought it was that you could be married when you

928
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:35.800
<v Speaker 4>got in, but then if your wife died, you couldn't

929
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.599
<v Speaker 4>get remarried. And the Catholic Church has a similar rule

930
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:42.320
<v Speaker 4>on that for deacons. And I think in the Catholic Church,

931
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:44.760
<v Speaker 4>priests used to be allowed to get married like a

932
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:47.679
<v Speaker 4>thousand years ago or something that was a long time ago.

933
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:50.239
<v Speaker 4>But then they got rid of that because there was

934
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:55.039
<v Speaker 4>issues with inheritance, and I guess, you know, the church wanted,

935
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:58.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, no competition from the wives in terms of inheritance.

936
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:01.039
<v Speaker 2>I get that that was part of it. What was

937
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.119
<v Speaker 2>that pope that had like six kids?

938
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.440
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, There's been many sexually active popes. There is

939
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:09.519
<v Speaker 4>a list of them in Wikipedia.

940
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Right, But I mean as far as the inheritance goes,

941
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:16.880
<v Speaker 1>especially all right, why the Catholic priests or priests in

942
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:20.639
<v Speaker 1>general were seen to they need to take wives. I

943
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:23.360
<v Speaker 1>think they also took their cues off of the Jewish tradition,

944
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.559
<v Speaker 1>like you can't be a rabbi unless you're married, and

945
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:28.079
<v Speaker 1>so I think they kind of took that cue, which,

946
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:30.480
<v Speaker 1>not gonna lie, kind of makes sense to me. How

947
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:33.199
<v Speaker 1>are you going to minister to a married couple dealing

948
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:36.639
<v Speaker 1>with marital disputes if you've never been married and actually

949
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:40.199
<v Speaker 1>have no practical application as to what can help them

950
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:40.880
<v Speaker 1>other than what.

951
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:44.239
<v Speaker 2>You read somewhere. So like I get on paper, that

952
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:44.880
<v Speaker 2>makes sense to me.

953
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:50.559
<v Speaker 1>And then equally on paper, why especially the Catholic Church.

954
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:52.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you look back, I know a lot of

955
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:54.360
<v Speaker 1>people throw shade at the Catholic Church.

956
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:55.840
<v Speaker 2>I am not going to do that here.

957
00:54:56.559 --> 00:55:00.320
<v Speaker 1>But when you get to that level of power in

958
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:03.199
<v Speaker 1>the Middle Ages, right, you would have a priest that

959
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:06.559
<v Speaker 1>would want to pass things down to their heirs if

960
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:08.480
<v Speaker 1>they were married and had children, so as a way

961
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:11.440
<v Speaker 1>to alleviate that, they take vowels of chastity, and that

962
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:13.880
<v Speaker 1>also weeds out the ones that are in it for

963
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:17.159
<v Speaker 1>their own means or in it for at least on paper,

964
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the correct reasons.

965
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:19.599
<v Speaker 2>And so like I get it.

966
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.880
<v Speaker 1>I might disagree with it, but I understand why they

967
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:26.000
<v Speaker 1>would do that. But if I'm not mistaken, didn't the

968
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Catholic Church just make an exception to this rule? Well,

969
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:32.119
<v Speaker 1>you have to get like special permissions from your archdiocese

970
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:33.840
<v Speaker 1>and all these things to do it. We had a

971
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:38.800
<v Speaker 1>priest in Louisiana and well, he was a deacon, he

972
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:43.519
<v Speaker 1>was he was married, his wife did die, he has children.

973
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:45.880
<v Speaker 1>But then he went to seminary school and he had

974
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:48.440
<v Speaker 1>to get all these special permissions and stuff. And if

975
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not mistaken, they were about to allow him to actually.

976
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Have a parish.

977
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:58.639
<v Speaker 1>But again, like it had to go through the proper

978
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:01.039
<v Speaker 1>channels in the chain of commands, things and stuff. So

979
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they if that's only for deacons

980
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:06.239
<v Speaker 1>or what have you heard if they've made exceptions to

981
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:06.880
<v Speaker 1>the rules with that.

982
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:11.719
<v Speaker 4>The only one that comes to mind is the Anglican

983
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:15.480
<v Speaker 4>ordinari It. I don't know what the word ordinary it means,

984
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:18.800
<v Speaker 4>but basically, a bunch of Anglican churches decided to join

985
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:22.880
<v Speaker 4>the Catholic Church in twenty twelve, and if the priests

986
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.039
<v Speaker 4>were married, they were allowed to remain married and they

987
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:28.119
<v Speaker 4>would be fully Catholic.

988
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Hm. I wow, yeah.

989
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:34.880
<v Speaker 4>That's a real thing. In fact, I go, yeah, my wife.

990
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:37.639
<v Speaker 4>It is mostly due to my wife, but we actually

991
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:41.280
<v Speaker 4>go to an Anglican ordinary it Catholic church that's like

992
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:44.280
<v Speaker 4>seven miles from our house, even though there's like three

993
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:48.119
<v Speaker 4>other ones closer, and I really like it, and there's

994
00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:51.400
<v Speaker 4>more kids there than most other Catholic churches I've ever

995
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:54.719
<v Speaker 4>been to, So we're big fans of it.

996
00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:57.559
<v Speaker 2>So I have a member of my order. He's actually

997
00:56:57.800 --> 00:56:58.400
<v Speaker 2>our chaplain.

998
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:02.400
<v Speaker 1>He is a a Anglican priest and he is married

999
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:05.559
<v Speaker 1>as well, but he's an Anglican Catholic, not a you know,

1000
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Roman Catholic.

1001
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:07.960
<v Speaker 2>He's very clear about this distinction.

1002
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.639
<v Speaker 1>So going and you're born and raised Roman Catholic and

1003
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.880
<v Speaker 1>you're going to an Anglican. Now do you see any

1004
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:17.360
<v Speaker 1>differences as far as the.

1005
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:22.119
<v Speaker 4>Mass, Well, this really is Roman Catholic. So they used

1006
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:26.519
<v Speaker 4>to be Anglican and then they joined the Catholic Church.

1007
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:30.400
<v Speaker 4>I think the position of the Anglican Church officially today

1008
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:34.880
<v Speaker 4>is they never left. But it's weird. So like a

1009
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.800
<v Speaker 4>few of them, a few of these parishes, I don't

1010
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:40.280
<v Speaker 4>know what the percentage is on it, but they actually

1011
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:45.119
<v Speaker 4>decided to really pursue becoming recognized by the Roman Catholic Church.

1012
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:49.000
<v Speaker 4>As legitimate priests and everything, and the Roman Catholic Church

1013
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.039
<v Speaker 4>did grant that to a number of them, but not

1014
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:55.599
<v Speaker 4>all of them. So according to the Catholic Church, they're

1015
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 4>not all Catholic, gotcha. But yeah, but the Anglican ordinary

1016
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:04.519
<v Speaker 4>ones are recognized as fully Roman Catholic and they can

1017
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:09.000
<v Speaker 4>be married and still priests. So I forgot what The

1018
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:10.440
<v Speaker 4>second question you had was.

1019
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:12.760
<v Speaker 1>If there was any difference that you'd seen on your end,

1020
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:17.440
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't. You answered it basically, they are Anglican ordinary. However,

1021
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:19.639
<v Speaker 1>they are within the fold of the Roman Catholic Church,

1022
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:23.639
<v Speaker 1>so their mass proceeds in a Roman Catholic way.

1023
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:28.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's a few words that are different. So in

1024
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:32.519
<v Speaker 4>the nice Seene Creed, instead of saying who is spoken

1025
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:36.639
<v Speaker 4>by the prophets, the words are who spake by the

1026
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:40.239
<v Speaker 4>prophets and it is it is kind of weird. Instead

1027
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:44.079
<v Speaker 4>of saying consubstantial, they say in one in substance or something.

1028
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:46.199
<v Speaker 4>There's a few words that are different. So if I

1029
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:49.440
<v Speaker 4>ever go back to a Novus Ordo parish, you know,

1030
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:54.239
<v Speaker 4>those few words always throw me off a little bit. So, yeah,

1031
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:55.840
<v Speaker 4>there's there's a few little differences.

1032
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Is your knights templar not nice similar, Sorry, is your

1033
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Knights of column? Do y'all call them chapters or.

1034
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:07.400
<v Speaker 4>Their councils councils? Yeah, there's eighteen thousand councils roughly in

1035
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.599
<v Speaker 4>the world. Sign is Council one three, three sixty three.

1036
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:13.639
<v Speaker 4>It started in two thousand and three. And this council

1037
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:18.639
<v Speaker 4>belongs to the Anglican Ordinari of Dallas Fort Worth.

1038
00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I was going to ask if it's a part of

1039
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:24.159
<v Speaker 1>the church and go to a traditional quote unquote Roman Catholic.

1040
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

1041
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:28.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. It is different from most of the other diocesan

1042
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:32.960
<v Speaker 4>or parish based councils out there, and we have a

1043
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:37.639
<v Speaker 4>different bishop from them, and it creates, you know, political

1044
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:41.519
<v Speaker 4>friction and stuff sometimes, and I'm lucky that I don't

1045
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:44.440
<v Speaker 4>have to deal with that. But our Grand Night he

1046
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:45.599
<v Speaker 4>does complain a lot.

1047
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:47.119
<v Speaker 2>How long have you been a member?

1048
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:50.679
<v Speaker 4>Only for like two years. They just asked me, hey, hey,

1049
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:52.800
<v Speaker 4>come on and join, and I didn't really have a

1050
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:55.159
<v Speaker 4>great reason why not, so I did. And now I'm

1051
00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:58.599
<v Speaker 4>I'm actually financial secretary of it. And we got like

1052
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:03.280
<v Speaker 4>seventy or eighty members, and yeah, it's a pretty good

1053
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:06.800
<v Speaker 4>good deal mostly, you know, one of the reasons I

1054
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:09.320
<v Speaker 4>never joined as a younger guy is that they're mostly

1055
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:13.559
<v Speaker 4>really old guys in age is like seventy seventy five.

1056
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:16.280
<v Speaker 2>But oh, I am the kid of this crew. Dog,

1057
01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:17.719
<v Speaker 2>I feel you one hundred percent.

1058
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:23.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But at this church, I'm more like closer to

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01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:26.599
<v Speaker 4>the median age, and I'm I'm thirty six, So you

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<v Speaker 4>know it's it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you be interested in joining another group of knighthood

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01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:36.920
<v Speaker 1>just curious another council? No, No, an entirely different order.

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<v Speaker 1>You could have both at the same time. But this

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01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:41.239
<v Speaker 1>knighthood is recognized by the UN.

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<v Speaker 4>I have not looked into it. Are you talking about

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01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:46.559
<v Speaker 4>my order you're in?

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01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And the Texas group that we have is actually very

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<v Speaker 1>large and actually speaking Dallas, I have a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>brothers that I could put you in contact with ancestors.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, it's called the Sovereign Milli

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01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Terry Order of the Temple of Jerusalem s M O

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<v Speaker 1>t J. That's the American branch of it, our international headquarters.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. Is is it based in.

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01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Paris still or do they just move to Portugal? There

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01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:12.840
<v Speaker 1>was a couple of years ago they just moved it, I.

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01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Think, But Uh.

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01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the the international orders acronyms.

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<v Speaker 2>Is O S M T H.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's Latin and I'm not going to even try

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<v Speaker 1>to pronounce that H word. It's it's long, and I

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01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:27.960
<v Speaker 1>don't speak Latin, but yeah, it's I don't know.

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01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:30.559
<v Speaker 2>I just have a feeling that you would probably enjoy it.

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01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:33.679
<v Speaker 1>If not, if like, what you're doing with the Knights

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01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:36.960
<v Speaker 1>of Columbus is time consuming as you're an officer, so

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01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:40.199
<v Speaker 1>I can imagine you know, no big deal, but I

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01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:42.400
<v Speaker 1>would I would be interested to see what you think

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01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:42.800
<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'll remember that. I gotta say it out loud.

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<v Speaker 4>O s N T H.

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01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Look up the American version s M O t J s.

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01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:51.440
<v Speaker 4>M O t J.

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01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I will actually have your number.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'll do that. Yeah. One other thing. I did

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01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:00.840
<v Speaker 4>not know this when I joined the Knights. Should have known,

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01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:06.800
<v Speaker 4>but I may have accidentally prevented myself from ever being

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01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:10.840
<v Speaker 4>able to travel to Russia because Russia considers the Knights

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01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:14.800
<v Speaker 4>of Columbus to be some kind of hostile foreign intelligence service.

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01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:18.000
<v Speaker 2>No, it's true.

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<v Speaker 4>What it's because, uh, well, Knights of Columbus they're mostly

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01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:27.800
<v Speaker 4>in US, Canada, Mexico, and Philippines. Sure, but starting after

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01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:30.880
<v Speaker 4>like two thousand and five or something, we got council

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01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:35.320
<v Speaker 4>numbers in Poland and Ukraine now and yeah, in Ukraine,

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01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:37.519
<v Speaker 4>especially in the western part, a lot of that used

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01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:41.480
<v Speaker 4>to be Poland. And in fact, the main archbishop for

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01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:45.639
<v Speaker 4>the Ukrainian councils when you when you when you read,

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01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:49.760
<v Speaker 4>he's actually Polish. Yeah, but yeah, there there there are

1108
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:53.360
<v Speaker 4>a few Ukrainian ones too, and of course there's none.

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01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:57.360
<v Speaker 4>There are no councils in Russia, and they consider us.

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01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:02.159
<v Speaker 4>I did not know this when I joined, but you know,

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01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:06.599
<v Speaker 4>hopefully things will work out peacefully over there a decade

1112
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.960
<v Speaker 4>from now or something, and maybe I can go there someday.

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01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:12.800
<v Speaker 1>How does Russia view Roman Catholicism. I know they're down

1114
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:15.519
<v Speaker 1>with the Russian Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox and all that,

1115
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:17.960
<v Speaker 1>but how are they How do they feel about the

1116
01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Vatic Not necessarily this current pope. But you know what

1117
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, you know more about Russian culture than I do,

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01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:29.119
<v Speaker 1>by leaps and bounds. Do typical Russian people have like

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01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:31.079
<v Speaker 1>issues with the Roman Catholic.

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<v Speaker 4>Faith a little bit? Yeah, So Poland is very Catholic,

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01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:41.679
<v Speaker 4>and Poland is one of Russia's biggest historic enemies.

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01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 4>And also well not like Napoleon wasn't very Catholic, but

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01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:52.480
<v Speaker 4>the Napoleon's War against Russia really, you know, drew a

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01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.280
<v Speaker 4>lot from Western Europe, and Russia is very paranoid about

1126
01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:58.039
<v Speaker 4>Western Europe and the Catholic Churgia. I wish I knew,

1127
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:01.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, deeper back in history before the sixteen hundreds,

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01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:05.760
<v Speaker 4>but Poland invaded and conquered Moscow for two years and

1129
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:12.159
<v Speaker 4>sixteen nine to sixteen eleven, I think, and there had

1130
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:16.800
<v Speaker 4>been even historic conflict before that. So Russia, yeah, doesn't

1131
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:19.719
<v Speaker 4>really like Western Europe, doesn't really like the Catholic Church.

1132
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:25.679
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, speaking of Napoleon, And I know, yesterday was

1133
01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:30.920
<v Speaker 4>Christmas in Russia because they did not adopt the Gregorian

1134
01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:34.199
<v Speaker 4>calendar a thousand years ago, so their calendar was like

1135
01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:38.880
<v Speaker 4>twelve days off. And also that day is celebrated as

1136
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:43.760
<v Speaker 4>the victory Day against Napoleon, where you know, he brought

1137
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:47.480
<v Speaker 4>about six hundred thousand troops into Russia, only about half

1138
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:50.639
<v Speaker 4>of them were French, but that was about the time

1139
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:53.559
<v Speaker 4>they kicked them out. So it's a dual big holiday

1140
01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:56.840
<v Speaker 4>over there on January seventh, and it's just a big

1141
01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.559
<v Speaker 4>part of the reason they don't. They're very suspicious of

1142
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:02.679
<v Speaker 4>Western Europe and the other big wars that they had

1143
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:06.039
<v Speaker 4>were the Great Northern War with the King of Sweden

1144
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:10.199
<v Speaker 4>in about seventeen oh three to seventeen ten, I want

1145
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:14.559
<v Speaker 4>to say, and then of course napoleon first decade of

1146
01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:18.400
<v Speaker 4>the eighteen hundreds, and then the World Wars of course,

1147
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:23.679
<v Speaker 4>especially Hitler so and they kind of, you know, jumble

1148
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:27.400
<v Speaker 4>up all the Western Europeans as one big group in

1149
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.480
<v Speaker 4>their heads. They know there's distinctions, Yeah, but it's like

1150
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.559
<v Speaker 4>they don't just blame Germany for World War Two. There

1151
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:37.000
<v Speaker 4>were Hungarian and Romanian and plenty of other non German

1152
01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:39.639
<v Speaker 4>troops invading Russia. And World War Two there were plenty

1153
01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:44.800
<v Speaker 4>of non French troops invading and Napoleon's army, and yeah,

1154
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:47.599
<v Speaker 4>they're just they overall feel like, why does the West

1155
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:49.920
<v Speaker 4>hate us and look us look down on us so much?

1156
01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:53.199
<v Speaker 4>We just basically got to always be suspicious of them.

1157
01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:55.840
<v Speaker 4>And the Catholic Church falls into that bucket too.

1158
01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Also of Napoleon.

1159
01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:01.719
<v Speaker 1>He's the only reason why I'm my Order of Knighthood exists,

1160
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:05.480
<v Speaker 1>come to find out. So, yeah, I didn't know that

1161
01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I found that out later on if you look back

1162
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:11.880
<v Speaker 1>in the histories in the seventeen hundreds when because we

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01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:16.679
<v Speaker 1>are a modern group of Templars, not some secret society thereof,

1164
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:19.000
<v Speaker 1>we hold true to the original values of the Templars

1165
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:22.159
<v Speaker 1>as far as Christian charity and trying to maintain a

1166
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Christian presence in the Holy Land is at all times,

1167
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:27.360
<v Speaker 1>like twenty four to seven. As a matter of fact,

1168
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:31.280
<v Speaker 1>this spring there's an excavation being done on one of

1169
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:34.400
<v Speaker 1>our guys got like the exclusive rights to dig at

1170
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:39.239
<v Speaker 1>a newly discovered templar outpost from I want to say

1171
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:42.599
<v Speaker 1>it was like the Second Crusade, so really excited about that.

1172
01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:45.920
<v Speaker 2>But we fund a couple of hospitals, a couple of schools.

1173
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:50.440
<v Speaker 1>There's you know, scholarship programs that you can do to

1174
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:54.599
<v Speaker 1>put to help Christian families put children in school, because

1175
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:57.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people don't understand that, like Israel really

1176
01:06:57.639 --> 01:07:03.280
<v Speaker 1>doesn't like Christians all, especially not in Jerusalem. People would

1177
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:07.559
<v Speaker 1>think that they're pretty widely accepted as like brethren, not

1178
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:11.440
<v Speaker 1>even a little bit. They're seen more like social pariahs

1179
01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:15.400
<v Speaker 1>by most of the nation. So we actually the resources

1180
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:17.360
<v Speaker 1>that we send them actually does go to good uses.

1181
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:19.280
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, off tangent on that.

1182
01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, apparently Napoleon whenever, because the Knights Templar were ousted

1183
01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:26.039
<v Speaker 1>in such a grandiose way by the Pope and the

1184
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:29.239
<v Speaker 1>King of France. Napoleon when he took over, took away

1185
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:32.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the edicts that the French monarchy put

1186
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:35.639
<v Speaker 1>in place, one of them being orders of knighthood, are

1187
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:38.360
<v Speaker 1>now accepted because you know, he was all about empirical things,

1188
01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:39.880
<v Speaker 1>not monarchical things, and.

1189
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:41.519
<v Speaker 2>That whole shabam.

1190
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:44.440
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's the history of it is actually pretty

1191
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:45.880
<v Speaker 1>rich and fascinating.

1192
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:48.199
<v Speaker 2>But Anthony, your hand is raised.

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01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:57.400
<v Speaker 5>Hey, So being a pagan, got a question if jew,

1194
01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:02.639
<v Speaker 5>if Jews don't like Christian why is there such a

1195
01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:09.280
<v Speaker 5>such a Christian support for the Jews, because like they

1196
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:10.559
<v Speaker 5>killed your Messiah.

1197
01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh we're going deep on this one.

1198
01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well it doesn't make sense to me at all.

1199
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:20.920
<v Speaker 4>It really depends what group of Christians you're talking about.

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01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Like, I mean, you look at it this way, bro

1201
01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:28.680
<v Speaker 1>King Richard the Lionheart, Okay, this bastion of Christian Protestantism

1202
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and all these things. And actually he was a Catholic Mystacond,

1203
01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:34.319
<v Speaker 1>but he led a crusade he was, actually he was

1204
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the King of England, but was barely in England because

1205
01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:40.680
<v Speaker 1>he kept crusading and shit. Right, So when he took

1206
01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:44.279
<v Speaker 1>the throne, his first order of business was to like

1207
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:48.520
<v Speaker 1>slaughter two thousand Jews in London. And the reason for

1208
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:52.039
<v Speaker 1>that actually is also convoluted as hell, but it furthers

1209
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:56.119
<v Speaker 1>your point. There was rules in England that the Jews

1210
01:08:56.159 --> 01:09:01.039
<v Speaker 1>could not go into the royal court or they weren't

1211
01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:03.439
<v Speaker 1>allowed to go to the specific area. And whenever he

1212
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:06.840
<v Speaker 1>took the throne, they had a couple members of the.

1213
01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:09.359
<v Speaker 2>More well to do.

1214
01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Jewish society in England that came to bring gifts to him,

1215
01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:16.319
<v Speaker 1>and the guards stopped them and if I'm not mistaken,

1216
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:17.520
<v Speaker 1>did some damage to.

1217
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:19.479
<v Speaker 2>Them, as like how dare you even do this?

1218
01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:24.479
<v Speaker 1>And the local inhabitants saw them doing this and kind

1219
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:26.439
<v Speaker 1>of went on a rampage and next thing you know,

1220
01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:29.520
<v Speaker 1>there was a little bit of a pogram or early pogram,

1221
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:33.079
<v Speaker 1>and then Richard like kind of it was like a

1222
01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:35.600
<v Speaker 1>victory lap. It was like a warm up round for them,

1223
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and then they went and did some heinous things to

1224
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:43.199
<v Speaker 1>the Islamic and Jewish people of the area when they

1225
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:49.399
<v Speaker 1>got there. So Okay, to further your point, we as Christians,

1226
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and again it really depends on which group of Christians

1227
01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:55.479
<v Speaker 1>you're talking to, which time and era you're talking about, and.

1228
01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:58.479
<v Speaker 2>Which country we are speaking about.

1229
01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:04.720
<v Speaker 1>In America today, the vast majority of people who are

1230
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:09.119
<v Speaker 1>a Christian who also have a die hard support of

1231
01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Israel would be the Evangelicals more than the other denominations,

1232
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:16.039
<v Speaker 1>I would think.

1233
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:16.399
<v Speaker 4>Right.

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01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:20.880
<v Speaker 2>A lot of that is because of political reasons, but.

1235
01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:26.279
<v Speaker 1>They will also mention in time prophetic messages as a

1236
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:29.039
<v Speaker 1>reason why we need to protect Israel at all costs,

1237
01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:33.399
<v Speaker 1>because Jesus can't come back until the nation of Israel

1238
01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.359
<v Speaker 1>is one nation again, right, And so that narrative has

1239
01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:40.199
<v Speaker 1>been kind of thrown out and drug through and it's

1240
01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:43.520
<v Speaker 1>been on repeat. Then you also look at it at

1241
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:47.479
<v Speaker 1>the fact of the same way that the Muslims view

1242
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Jews as like, well, now, I was about to get

1243
01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:57.039
<v Speaker 1>dangerous on that one. The Abrahamic faith all stems from Abraham, right,

1244
01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:01.239
<v Speaker 1>and so his two sons. There's a certain group that

1245
01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:05.600
<v Speaker 1>believes that they're the descendants of this son, and then

1246
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:08.279
<v Speaker 1>there's these two groups that see that they are the

1247
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:12.880
<v Speaker 1>descendants of this other son. Right, Jacob, who later changed

1248
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:16.680
<v Speaker 1>his name to Israel, and his twelve sons that broke

1249
01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:18.880
<v Speaker 1>up into the twelve tribes of Israel.

1250
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, eleven of them inherited the land.

1251
01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:25.439
<v Speaker 1>The tribe of Dan was kicked out and they're not

1252
01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:27.520
<v Speaker 1>going to come back to the end times. And then

1253
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the tribe of Levi, his son Levi became the Levite priests,

1254
01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and they didn't actually inherit any land. So the nation

1255
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:37.720
<v Speaker 1>of Israel was broken up into ten quadrants of land

1256
01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:43.119
<v Speaker 1>ran by ten tribes, all descendants of these sons. The

1257
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Muslims believe because of Mohammad, that they are the descendants

1258
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:51.720
<v Speaker 1>of the other son and that they are the rightful

1259
01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:54.560
<v Speaker 1>inheritors of that land, even though within the Qur'an it

1260
01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:57.800
<v Speaker 1>clearly says that the sons of Israel are supposed to

1261
01:11:57.840 --> 01:11:59.399
<v Speaker 1>inherit that land, but they don't want to talk about

1262
01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:05.039
<v Speaker 1>that whatever. But all that to say, Christians view Jews

1263
01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:10.479
<v Speaker 1>or Judaism, I should say as the precursor. It's like

1264
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:14.359
<v Speaker 1>where it's what the Old Testament is. Jesus came not

1265
01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:17.359
<v Speaker 1>to take away the old laws, but to fulfill the

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<v Speaker 1>old laws, and that was a big thing that Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, okay, when he.

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<v Speaker 1>Criticized the Pharisees, and he even said, you tie the

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<v Speaker 1>tenth out of your spice gardens, but you deny the

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01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:34.119
<v Speaker 1>poor down your street. What he was saying is, yes,

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01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:36.319
<v Speaker 1>you are correct by your laws, but you're still not

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01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:38.960
<v Speaker 1>right because the reason for that law is so that

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<v Speaker 1>the poor can eat. That the whole rule of tithe

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<v Speaker 1>side tangent on that the reason why tithe is a rule.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a tenth.

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01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:51.319
<v Speaker 1>A farmer would leave a tenth of his crop unharvested

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01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:54.800
<v Speaker 1>for the poor in his community to come and harvest

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01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:57.600
<v Speaker 1>for themselves. That was his way of paying his tithe

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01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:00.560
<v Speaker 1>from his harvest. And things like that were very above

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01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Abrahamic law. And then I'm not saying the talmud, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the law set down by Moses and the law

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01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:09.079
<v Speaker 1>set down by the way that the Jews and the

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01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Hebrews have done business up until the point of Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>The Pharisees took that and would follow it to the letter,

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01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:17.439
<v Speaker 1>but they would also they made it to where there

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<v Speaker 1>was a level of haves and have nots. Jesus was saying, Okay,

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01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:23.319
<v Speaker 1>you're doing this, but you're still not taking care of

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01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the poor.

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01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:26.039
<v Speaker 2>I am here to take care of everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Christians followed the example set forth by Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>and his disciples and the apostle Paul. The Jews follow

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01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the examples set forth by Moses and Abraham and then

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<v Speaker 1>the writers of the Talmudic texts.

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<v Speaker 2>So Christians see.

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01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:47.479
<v Speaker 1>Them as kind of like our second cousins, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, and not necessarily fondly, but not necessarily

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01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:54.880
<v Speaker 1>hateful either. But again, it depends on which group you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking to. Right, the Klan sees themselves as a Christian

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01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:03.199
<v Speaker 1>order and they hate the Jews. Meanwhile, you have Messianic

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01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:06.439
<v Speaker 1>Jews who are Jewish by descent and by religion, who

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01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:09.319
<v Speaker 1>also acknowledge that Jesus is their Messiah, and they had

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01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:13.520
<v Speaker 1>this whole other brand of what they would call Messianic Judaism.

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01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I would call more Jewish Christianity.

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01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:23.159
<v Speaker 1>So it really depends on why and what group you're

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01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:27.640
<v Speaker 1>talking to and about. In our modern era, I would

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01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:31.920
<v Speaker 1>say that it is way more politically based than religiously dogmatic.

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01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:35.439
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like they're using one to enhance the other,

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01:14:36.079 --> 01:14:38.960
<v Speaker 1>and vice versa. If that makes sense. Tony feel free

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01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:42.399
<v Speaker 1>to chime in here and and give your two cents.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I agree with pretty much everything you said.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you got a little bit about Abraham's genealogy

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01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:55.199
<v Speaker 4>a little office. Maybe it makes the two up Ishmael,

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01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:59.119
<v Speaker 4>which became the Arabs and Isaac, and Isaac had twelve

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01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:03.800
<v Speaker 4>sons became the twelve tribes of Israel, including wait.

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01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:07.359
<v Speaker 2>Was it Isaaca, had Esa, Jajacob Jacob.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's another generation bad. Yes, yeah, it's my bad too.

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01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:15.920
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, that's some of the ancient beliefs there. So

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01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:20.319
<v Speaker 4>it said that the descendants of Abraham would inherit the

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01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:23.359
<v Speaker 4>territory from the Nile to the Euphrates, and that's pretty

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01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:27.520
<v Speaker 4>much what happened. But there's some people in Israel who

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01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:30.399
<v Speaker 4>believe in this greater Israel idea where they think Israel

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01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:33.800
<v Speaker 4>will be all that territory and that's like twenty times

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01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:35.159
<v Speaker 4>bigger than Israel already is.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Dude, I saw a picture of that map recently.

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01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:41.359
<v Speaker 1>I had never heard that before until like two weeks ago.

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01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Somebody was like, if you look at the true map

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01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:47.840
<v Speaker 1>of what the original Israelites believed their land was, it's

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01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:52.439
<v Speaker 1>like half of Saudi Arabia into Egypt up to it's

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01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:54.920
<v Speaker 1>a wild track of land.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's huge, isn't it. Yeah, I've seen it. It

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01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:02.119
<v Speaker 4>seems kind of unre realistic. I don't think they'll ever

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01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:06.039
<v Speaker 4>get that much now. But yeah, the Twelve Tribes, I

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01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:08.560
<v Speaker 4>was looking into this a little month ago. Before the

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01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:12.640
<v Speaker 4>Assyrian conquest, they owned pretty much all of what's now

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01:16:12.760 --> 01:16:17.359
<v Speaker 4>Israel except for the Gaza Strip and Ashkalan and Ashdod,

1337
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:20.800
<v Speaker 4>which are close to Gaza. But in addition to what

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01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:23.039
<v Speaker 4>they have now, they had the entire West Bank, and

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01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:26.399
<v Speaker 4>they had an equivalent sized chunk of territory to the

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01:16:26.439 --> 01:16:29.840
<v Speaker 4>east of the Jordan River in what is now Jordan,

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01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:32.680
<v Speaker 4>which is currently like way off limits to them.

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01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:37.399
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, historical Israel was way smaller than this greater

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01:16:37.560 --> 01:16:40.840
<v Speaker 4>Israel idea from the Nile to the Euphrates that some

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01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:45.079
<v Speaker 4>of them have now. And hopefully, you know, they piped

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01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:48.560
<v Speaker 4>down and can establish some permanent borders and finally have

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01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:51.720
<v Speaker 4>some peace there within the next couple of decades. That's

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01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:52.399
<v Speaker 4>my hope.

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01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Agreed. I also go ahead.

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01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:59.039
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, yeah, just for like, who supports you know,

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01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:02.079
<v Speaker 4>Israel most why. I think there's a few reasons. There's

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01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:06.640
<v Speaker 4>this Protestant idea that it's mostly American Protestants who do.

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01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:10.239
<v Speaker 4>The Catholic Church is kind of more neutral on them.

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01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:12.479
<v Speaker 4>In fact, they didn't The Catholic Church didn't have an

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01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:15.439
<v Speaker 4>embassy in Israel un til nineteen ninety. But then again,

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01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:19.000
<v Speaker 4>they still have an embassy in Taiwan, and they recognize

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01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:22.119
<v Speaker 4>Taiwan as independent, so they move a little slower than

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01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:24.239
<v Speaker 4>any other country in terms of politics.

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01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Do you see Taiwan as independent? The way you said

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01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:31.279
<v Speaker 2>that has to make me question it personally.

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01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:35.159
<v Speaker 4>No is a short answer.

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01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:38.560
<v Speaker 1>But really I call China East Taiwan or West Taiwan

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01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:38.960
<v Speaker 1>at this.

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01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Point, I love it.

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01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Actually, I'm taking that from habitual line cross or he's

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01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:47.159
<v Speaker 1>a dude on YouTube who's hilarious and he's in China.

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01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:50.119
<v Speaker 1>By calling them West Taiwan, I think it's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I think in general, I'm in favor of self

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01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:57.840
<v Speaker 4>determination of these territories, including Taiwan, Hong Kong, shin Jiug, Tibet.

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01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:03.079
<v Speaker 4>But China's their people have this real phobia of being divided,

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01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:06.359
<v Speaker 4>and that's why they accept. Okay, I guess we're going

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01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:10.560
<v Speaker 4>to be one country and communist or just whatever whatever

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01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:13.000
<v Speaker 4>communism means. That they just they really want to be

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01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:16.000
<v Speaker 4>unified because they're really afraid of being conquered by Mongolians

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01:18:16.079 --> 01:18:18.239
<v Speaker 4>or Japanese or Westerners.

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01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, actually my wife's family, her dad was

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01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:26.640
<v Speaker 4>born in Taiwan, and you know, I would never say

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01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:31.239
<v Speaker 4>tell him that. Oh yeah, but yeah that they're they're

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01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:35.960
<v Speaker 4>really uh yeah, he's he's from that Quoman tongue branch.

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01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:39.840
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, they really don't like the Chai cooms.

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01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:42.520
<v Speaker 2>All right, So back to the whole Israel situation.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry side, oh uh, actually, I think I might be

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01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.600
<v Speaker 4>a little done with that, but I had a question

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01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:52.960
<v Speaker 4>for Anthony. Well, actually I already asked it. It's about

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01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:56.560
<v Speaker 4>the ancestor worship, but I just wanted to emphasize this

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01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:59.399
<v Speaker 4>point because I read a great article called bring out

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01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:02.600
<v Speaker 4>your Dad dot Com a couple of years ago that

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01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:06.880
<v Speaker 4>talked about how ancestor worship was so common in the

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01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:10.119
<v Speaker 4>pagan world, in the Roman world, the Germanic world, and

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01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:14.359
<v Speaker 4>in East Asia and the Catholic Church, even though they're

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01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:20.479
<v Speaker 4>considered like the ancestor worshiping uh denomination of Christianity. Now,

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01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:24.760
<v Speaker 4>a thousand years ago, they they went on a rampage

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01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:32.399
<v Speaker 4>trying to crush ancestor worship in Europe, and they.

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01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:35.479
<v Speaker 2>Because they're seeing because of the saints.

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01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:38.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they're seemed that way because of the saints. Now,

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01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:41.479
<v Speaker 4>I mean there's veneration of saints when people ask saints

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01:19:41.479 --> 01:19:45.800
<v Speaker 4>for intercession. People some people even ask their their you know,

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01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:49.319
<v Speaker 4>de seize great grandparents for intercession. And that's how people

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01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:52.279
<v Speaker 4>become saints. It's because if people ask for their intercession

1401
01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:54.920
<v Speaker 4>and then it's perceived that a miracle happened as a

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01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:57.720
<v Speaker 4>result of that, then that person might become a saint.

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01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:00.039
<v Speaker 4>So the guy who started the Knights of Columbus, this

1404
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:03.600
<v Speaker 4>was a guy named Michael mc givney, and he's currently

1405
01:20:03.640 --> 01:20:07.239
<v Speaker 4>a blessed status and if he gets like three miracles

1406
01:20:07.479 --> 01:20:09.600
<v Speaker 4>ascribed to his name, he might become a saint.

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01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Is mother Teresa Scene as a saint? I thought she

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01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:13.159
<v Speaker 2>was canonized, right.

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01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:17.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah pretty recently. Yeah, I don't know, ten years ago

1410
01:20:17.319 --> 01:20:21.439
<v Speaker 4>maybe mm hmmm. Yeah. So yeah, people ask for your

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01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:24.399
<v Speaker 4>intercession and then miracles happen and they're perceived to be

1412
01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:29.079
<v Speaker 4>attributed attributable to you, you can become a canonized saint.

1413
01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:33.680
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, that's so. And we've also got all Saints

1414
01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:36.520
<v Speaker 4>Day and all Soul's Day. So ancestor worship has kind

1415
01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:39.640
<v Speaker 4>of come back into the Catholic Church. But a thousand

1416
01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:41.680
<v Speaker 4>years ago they were trying to stamp it out because

1417
01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:46.920
<v Speaker 4>it was competition to Christianity or Catholicism, which was kind

1418
01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:49.560
<v Speaker 4>of like the only version of Christianity in Western Europe

1419
01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:51.960
<v Speaker 4>at the time. So they really stamped it out among

1420
01:20:52.279 --> 01:20:56.880
<v Speaker 4>the Germanic and you know, pre Christian Roman world at

1421
01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:59.039
<v Speaker 4>the time. So that's why I was asking the question

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01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:01.399
<v Speaker 4>if it's still done. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense that

1423
01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:01.840
<v Speaker 4>it would be.

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01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:05.000
<v Speaker 2>So what is your personal belief on that?

1425
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Not necessarily the veneration of saints, but asking saints for

1426
01:21:09.159 --> 01:21:13.479
<v Speaker 1>their aid or intercession? Actually, know what better? What is

1427
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.880
<v Speaker 1>your take on Mother Teresa? You're a well read individual.

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01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:20.239
<v Speaker 1>You know that it wasn't exactly what we were told

1429
01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:22.600
<v Speaker 1>in the beginning. Now, I'm not asking you to go

1430
01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:26.199
<v Speaker 1>against the Catholic Church with this, but what is your

1431
01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:27.239
<v Speaker 1>personal belief on that.

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01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:32.199
<v Speaker 4>I have heard some very negative opinions about her, like

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01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:35.640
<v Speaker 4>she was given most of her money just straight to

1434
01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:40.359
<v Speaker 4>the church hierarchy that she raised. If that's true, I

1435
01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:42.680
<v Speaker 4>don't know, screwer, I guess I don't know. I have

1436
01:21:42.800 --> 01:21:44.840
<v Speaker 4>not looked really deeply into it.

1437
01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fair. What is your take on praying to

1438
01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:53.479
<v Speaker 1>saints or asking for them to intercede in your personal affairs?

1439
01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you believe this to be something that does or

1440
01:21:56.920 --> 01:21:59.439
<v Speaker 1>do you believe it's something that you do or you

1441
01:21:59.520 --> 01:21:59.880
<v Speaker 1>believe in.

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01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:04.479
<v Speaker 4>I should say I guess it's something I do believe

1443
01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:06.880
<v Speaker 4>in it, but I don't really do it super often

1444
01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:10.640
<v Speaker 4>all the time. We say prayers before going to bed

1445
01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:15.960
<v Speaker 4>and before eating, sure, but normally not bringing saints into it.

1446
01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:19.479
<v Speaker 4>Mary is definitely the biggest one. And we got this

1447
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:24.119
<v Speaker 4>the Rosary for anyone who doesn't know, it's a series

1448
01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:27.960
<v Speaker 4>of prayers with five our fathers and fifty three Hail Mary's.

1449
01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:32.920
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, Mary's pretty big. I feel like Mary's not

1450
01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:37.960
<v Speaker 4>as big for me as she is for many other Catholics.

1451
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:42.399
<v Speaker 2>And here's man, do you believe Jesus had brothers?

1452
01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:46.960
<v Speaker 4>I think no. I think he had cousins, and that

1453
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:49.840
<v Speaker 4>the word for brother and cousin were just the same thing.

1454
01:22:51.399 --> 01:22:59.760
<v Speaker 4>I believe that he he was conceived miraculously and that

1455
01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:04.079
<v Speaker 4>he was conceived immaculately, And you know, the story just

1456
01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:06.359
<v Speaker 4>kind of has to go this way. At the same time.

1457
01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:09.319
<v Speaker 4>I can understand why other people would scoff at that

1458
01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:10.960
<v Speaker 4>and go, oh man, he was just a dude, and

1459
01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:16.119
<v Speaker 4>they made up this story later. In fact, I think

1460
01:23:16.199 --> 01:23:18.560
<v Speaker 4>that the whole idea that he was born in Bethlehem

1461
01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:25.399
<v Speaker 4>instead of Nazareth. Nazareth, Yeah, Nazareth, that's the name of it.

1462
01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:29.359
<v Speaker 4>It might it may have just been retconned into the Bible.

1463
01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:32.079
<v Speaker 4>I know, I'm not supposed to say that, you know,

1464
01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:34.920
<v Speaker 4>if I'm reading it with the most critical eye possible.

1465
01:23:35.880 --> 01:23:39.319
<v Speaker 4>You know, there's an Old Testament prophecy about some savior

1466
01:23:39.399 --> 01:23:42.720
<v Speaker 4>coming from Bethlehem, and it's kind of convenient that, oh, well,

1467
01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:44.479
<v Speaker 4>you know, let's just say he was born there. It's

1468
01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:47.079
<v Speaker 4>kind of like people arguing over where Obama was born.

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01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:48.640
<v Speaker 4>It's like, oh, he might have been born here, he

1470
01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:51.800
<v Speaker 4>might have been born there. It's significant for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, I just heard for the first and I was

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01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:57.680
<v Speaker 1>raised Roman Catholic up until I was about thirteen or

1473
01:23:57.720 --> 01:24:00.000
<v Speaker 1>fourteen years old, I you know, left the face.

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01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:02.279
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm technically an apostate. I don't know. No,

1475
01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I was never confirmed, so I can't be an apostate. Whatever.

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01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I just heard that the belief is that Mary

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01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:13.239
<v Speaker 1>was also born of an immaculate conception. I was under

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01:24:13.239 --> 01:24:15.399
<v Speaker 1>the impression that Jesus was the only one that had

1479
01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>that title.

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01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:18.000
<v Speaker 2>But this was news to me.

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01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:22.359
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, the immaculate conception dogma I think goes back

1482
01:24:22.399 --> 01:24:24.079
<v Speaker 4>to eighteen seventy or something.

1483
01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1484
01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:28.600
<v Speaker 4>Well, actually it does go back way farther than that.

1485
01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:31.760
<v Speaker 4>But it was declared to be universally binding and you

1486
01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:35.119
<v Speaker 4>have to believe it in eighteen seventy. And then there

1487
01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:37.520
<v Speaker 4>was another one. See was the one that it was

1488
01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:40.760
<v Speaker 4>the only other time in history papal infallibility has been invoked.

1489
01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:43.680
<v Speaker 4>It was in nineteen fifty. Maybe that was Immaculate Conception.

1490
01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:45.039
<v Speaker 2>Was that the Vatican two.

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01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:48.920
<v Speaker 4>Nineteen fifty, This would be like fourteen years before that. Okay,

1492
01:24:50.039 --> 01:24:51.840
<v Speaker 4>but anyway, yeah, let me tell you about these other

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01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:54.479
<v Speaker 4>Marion dogmas in case anyone else is going to be

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01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:55.279
<v Speaker 4>interested in it.

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01:24:55.640 --> 01:24:58.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you said the Marian dogma. Have you ever

1496
01:24:58.199 --> 01:24:59.079
<v Speaker 2>heard of the Marriyists?

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01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:02.560
<v Speaker 4>Marius?

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01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:05.119
<v Speaker 2>They were a brother order to the Jesuits.

1499
01:25:05.239 --> 01:25:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Although that was the Society of Jesus, the Catholic Church

1500
01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:09.760
<v Speaker 1>at one point in time had the Society of Mary,

1501
01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:15.079
<v Speaker 1>and they were a fascinating subculture of priests and brothers

1502
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:16.159
<v Speaker 1>and monks and these things.

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01:25:16.159 --> 01:25:20.000
<v Speaker 4>Bro uh huh, okay, I'll have to google them. But

1504
01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:26.279
<v Speaker 4>there's this current push among a minority of Catholics, a

1505
01:25:26.319 --> 01:25:31.600
<v Speaker 4>small group of them too. I don't know codify or

1506
01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:35.640
<v Speaker 4>make a mandatory these three two or three New Marian dogmas.

1507
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:39.520
<v Speaker 4>One is that she is the co Redemptricks and the

1508
01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:43.279
<v Speaker 4>second one is that she is mediatrics of all graces.

1509
01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:47.600
<v Speaker 4>But luckily, in my opinion, these have all just gotten

1510
01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:53.159
<v Speaker 4>kind of shut down, so they're not happening because doesn't

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01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:55.479
<v Speaker 4>the Bible say somewhere in the New Testament that Jesus

1512
01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:59.640
<v Speaker 4>is the only mediator? And I mean, passing something like

1513
01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:03.680
<v Speaker 4>this would just really anger the Protestants for no reason

1514
01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:04.640
<v Speaker 4>that I'm kind of.

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01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Glad As a Protestant that sounds wild to me.

1516
01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:11.760
<v Speaker 4>Well, there's some people pushing for it, and I'm glad

1517
01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:13.920
<v Speaker 4>they're not getting traction.

1518
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:16.760
<v Speaker 2>With our current pope. Dude, I could see them maybe

1519
01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:17.399
<v Speaker 2>having it.

1520
01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:19.880
<v Speaker 1>He might have an ear for this, He's got some

1521
01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:26.439
<v Speaker 1>different ideas about the future of the church. They may

1522
01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>actually get an audience with him.

1523
01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:33.039
<v Speaker 4>Honestly, Wow, Well, maybe I haven't seen evidence of it.

1524
01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:35.880
<v Speaker 4>He he seems kind of like Biden to me. He

1525
01:26:36.039 --> 01:26:38.920
<v Speaker 4>just kind of says whatever's on his mind, but he

1526
01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:43.720
<v Speaker 4>gets distracted easily, and like, uh, yeah, I'm not the

1527
01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:45.960
<v Speaker 4>biggest fan of him, but I won't like say super

1528
01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:47.279
<v Speaker 4>negative things about him either.

1529
01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:50.359
<v Speaker 1>To be honest, brother, most American Roman Catholics are not

1530
01:26:50.600 --> 01:26:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a big fan of old Pope Francis. I will say

1531
01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:54.760
<v Speaker 1>I had a lot of hope for him when he

1532
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:58.079
<v Speaker 1>first took on the position or it was elected to

1533
01:26:58.079 --> 01:27:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the position. Excuse me, because he was such an outlier

1534
01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:04.760
<v Speaker 1>and because he was so different than everything that's been

1535
01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:07.560
<v Speaker 1>done in the past. It almost seemed like this might

1536
01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:11.640
<v Speaker 1>be the revitalization, the rejuvenation of the Catholic faith. And

1537
01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:15.520
<v Speaker 1>if I'm not mistaken, the Catholic faith in America the

1538
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:17.880
<v Speaker 1>numbers seem to be going down, but around the world

1539
01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:20.079
<v Speaker 1>the numbers seem to be growing. So I mean, it

1540
01:27:20.199 --> 01:27:23.840
<v Speaker 1>was maybe there was something to that, but I'm agreeing

1541
01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:28.319
<v Speaker 1>with you. He seems very Biden slash Obama esque, more

1542
01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>polling the current cultural feeling and then going off of

1543
01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:37.680
<v Speaker 1>that rather than what and maybe maybe I don't know

1544
01:27:38.600 --> 01:27:42.239
<v Speaker 1>if the Holy Father is telling him to do these things.

1545
01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I am of my own beliefs on that.

1546
01:27:44.680 --> 01:27:50.239
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, he's a little too different and not in

1547
01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:52.079
<v Speaker 1>a positive light, and I think that's kind of the

1548
01:27:52.119 --> 01:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>going consensus, at least in our culture.

1549
01:27:55.279 --> 01:28:00.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's not conservative enough for me. I think that

1550
01:28:00.479 --> 01:28:03.920
<v Speaker 4>the reforms of Vatican Two, the Second Vatican Council in

1551
01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:08.560
<v Speaker 4>like nineteen sixty two to sixty four, were not helpful.

1552
01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:11.359
<v Speaker 4>I really like the Latin language.

1553
01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:12.720
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna ask, have you ever been to a

1554
01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Latin mass dog?

1555
01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:14.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

1556
01:28:14.600 --> 01:28:17.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, several back in California, but there's a few in

1557
01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:20.399
<v Speaker 4>the in the Dallas area too. I have not been

1558
01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:23.479
<v Speaker 4>to one yet, but I would be down to go.

1559
01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:25.800
<v Speaker 2>It was a whole different far away.

1560
01:28:27.159 --> 01:28:27.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1561
01:28:28.119 --> 01:28:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I don't mean that negatively. I mean there's like,

1562
01:28:31.760 --> 01:28:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you, I'm a I'm a fan of the

1563
01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Latin language. I think it's beautiful. That's why for the

1564
01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>longest time I was more into the King James Bible

1565
01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:44.279
<v Speaker 1>because it was the alleged for translation from and I

1566
01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:48.439
<v Speaker 1>think that in that form it's actually more it's poetic, almost.

1567
01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>But I also understand why.

1568
01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:53.960
<v Speaker 1>People would look more towards the Greek translations of the

1569
01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Greek manuscripts, being more of a source, and I I

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01:28:57.239 --> 01:29:00.159
<v Speaker 1>would like to get more into the Septuagint and more

1571
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>into the the Codex Sinaticus. Which did you see the

1572
01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:11.199
<v Speaker 1>wes Huff Joe Rogan debate, no debate episode.

1573
01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:14.520
<v Speaker 4>Excuse me, Wes I've never even heard of that guy.

1574
01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Wes Huff is the guy who just skull dragged Billy

1575
01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Carson for all these crazy claims he was making about

1576
01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:23.800
<v Speaker 1>how the Bible said that Jesus never actually was crucified

1577
01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:25.560
<v Speaker 1>and said this, and if you look at the Sinai

1578
01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:28.439
<v Speaker 1>Bible it says this. You look at the Gospel of

1579
01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Judas that says this, the Gospel of Barnabas. And he's

1580
01:29:31.119 --> 01:29:34.960
<v Speaker 1>been making these claims in the social media space and

1581
01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:40.359
<v Speaker 1>on podcasts for years now, unchecked, and he didn't fully

1582
01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:42.239
<v Speaker 1>understand that he was about to step up to the

1583
01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:46.520
<v Speaker 1>plate against an actual biblical scholar who doesn't just have

1584
01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:50.119
<v Speaker 1>a doctorate in these things, works with the actual physical

1585
01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>original manuscripts and transcribes them and does these things. And

1586
01:29:56.319 --> 01:30:00.760
<v Speaker 1>it was embarrassing for Billy Carson. And then he went

1587
01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:04.239
<v Speaker 1>on to file seasoned assist orders against this guy to

1588
01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:06.960
<v Speaker 1>try to keep that podcast from being released. It did

1589
01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:10.119
<v Speaker 1>not work. He tried hitting him with slap lawsuits. The

1590
01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>guy's Canadian, so I don't think Billy Carson fully understand

1591
01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>understood what it takes to have an international lawsuit get

1592
01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:22.159
<v Speaker 1>pushed forward. But like you ain't got the pockets deep

1593
01:30:22.319 --> 01:30:25.279
<v Speaker 1>enough and good luck kind of thing. So it's it

1594
01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:29.640
<v Speaker 1>has really shaken up this whole Toath being Atlantean, these

1595
01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:32.079
<v Speaker 1>emerald tablets and that group of people who have been

1596
01:30:32.119 --> 01:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>looking at Billy Carson as such a source. This has

1597
01:30:35.039 --> 01:30:38.039
<v Speaker 1>thrown a massive wrench in their gears, which does make

1598
01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:42.159
<v Speaker 1>me happy. Not gonna lie, but that guy just went

1599
01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:45.399
<v Speaker 1>on Joe Rogan's podcast and he is He spoke to

1600
01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:49.239
<v Speaker 1>him basically about the original texts written by the original

1601
01:30:49.640 --> 01:30:54.720
<v Speaker 1>eyewitness accounts of the followers of Jesus, and he actually

1602
01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:57.640
<v Speaker 1>brought a thing. Actually, I'm not gonna play the clips,

1603
01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>it's worth looking into. Right around the like the one

1604
01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>hour and fifty five minute mark of the episode between

1605
01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:07.319
<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan and west Huff. But he gives him a

1606
01:31:07.520 --> 01:31:12.279
<v Speaker 1>small like a piece of a manuscript, and on one

1607
01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>side it is the.

1608
01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:16.600
<v Speaker 2>It's the the section of the Bible.

1609
01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:20.119
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, it's the Book of Matthew possibly

1610
01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:24.439
<v Speaker 1>where it's Poncious Pilot and Jesus having a verbal exchange, right,

1611
01:31:25.119 --> 01:31:30.199
<v Speaker 1>and on one side it's written in Pontious Pilot's speech.

1612
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:33.760
<v Speaker 2>He says, what is truth?

1613
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, and forget what it was, but he was speaking

1614
01:31:36.840 --> 01:31:38.640
<v Speaker 1>to the crowd and he was saying, like, you know,

1615
01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:41.399
<v Speaker 1>you're saying this, You're saying this, what is the truth

1616
01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:41.720
<v Speaker 1>of it?

1617
01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:43.880
<v Speaker 2>On the backside of it.

1618
01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:47.039
<v Speaker 1>Because the early Christians were the first ones to stop

1619
01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:51.000
<v Speaker 1>writing on scrolls and start actually making books out of things.

1620
01:31:51.039 --> 01:31:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Now there were some scrolls, of course used, but when

1621
01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:56.520
<v Speaker 1>the first Christians started to really compile their literature, they

1622
01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>were making books.

1623
01:31:57.399 --> 01:31:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Not scrolls.

1624
01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:01.439
<v Speaker 1>And on the flip side of this, it is Jesus's

1625
01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:05.239
<v Speaker 1>speech and he says, I am truth. Now the two

1626
01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:07.479
<v Speaker 1>are not like this was said then this was said.

1627
01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:10.079
<v Speaker 1>They're at different sections of it. But this one fragment

1628
01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:13.000
<v Speaker 1>of this text has it on it and he actually

1629
01:32:13.000 --> 01:32:15.319
<v Speaker 1>made a correct copy of it and gave the Rogan

1630
01:32:15.359 --> 01:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>as a gift.

1631
01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:18.880
<v Speaker 2>It was fascinating, fascinating interview.

1632
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:24.399
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so they now believe that they can the

1633
01:32:24.920 --> 01:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Kodak Sinaticus, which is the as we understand it, currently,

1634
01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:37.239
<v Speaker 1>the oldest fully put together book of the Bible, or

1635
01:32:37.640 --> 01:32:41.159
<v Speaker 1>like the entirety of it. And this would have been

1636
01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:45.359
<v Speaker 1>extremely expensive to produce. And the reason why is because

1637
01:32:45.359 --> 01:32:47.119
<v Speaker 1>it's all on lambs skin, and there was like one

1638
01:32:47.199 --> 01:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty six lambs killed for the skin to

1639
01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:55.039
<v Speaker 1>make this book. And the only people that would have

1640
01:32:55.159 --> 01:32:58.439
<v Speaker 1>had the means and the funds and all that to

1641
01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>order this to be made and to afford for it

1642
01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:03.159
<v Speaker 1>to be made, it would have been the Christians. The

1643
01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:06.119
<v Speaker 1>early Christians were mostly you know, the women in the

1644
01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:09.479
<v Speaker 1>slave population of this area of the world, at least

1645
01:33:09.479 --> 01:33:10.920
<v Speaker 1>that's where it took off in the main in the

1646
01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>beginning of it anyway, So they believe that Kodex Snantikus

1647
01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:20.439
<v Speaker 1>was actually a book commissioned by Justinian because when he

1648
01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:23.600
<v Speaker 1>was about to make his proclamations or the edicts I

1649
01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:28.680
<v Speaker 1>should say, uh, making Christianity legal and then all these things,

1650
01:33:29.039 --> 01:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to find out what do these Christians actually believe,

1651
01:33:31.920 --> 01:33:34.279
<v Speaker 1>because by the time Justinian came around or Constant I

1652
01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>should say, they the Gnostics were running around saying wild things.

1653
01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>This group was running around saying wild things. There was

1654
01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:44.399
<v Speaker 1>these other groups of Messiah followers, not of Jesus but

1655
01:33:44.439 --> 01:33:46.600
<v Speaker 1>of these other types of massias that popped around around

1656
01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:49.079
<v Speaker 1>the turn of the you know, zero AD, and so

1657
01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:52.439
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to know what did the true followers of

1658
01:33:52.479 --> 01:33:56.880
<v Speaker 1>this you know, Christian guy, what do they really believe?

1659
01:33:56.960 --> 01:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>So he commissioned a series of books to be made.

1660
01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:03.880
<v Speaker 1>We are now of the belief that this was one

1661
01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:07.520
<v Speaker 1>of those books, and the sources that they were deriving

1662
01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:13.760
<v Speaker 1>it from is allegedly three years after the time of

1663
01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:18.199
<v Speaker 1>Jesus death. So we are talking about actual eyewitness accounts

1664
01:34:18.439 --> 01:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>of his death, his resurrection, walking the earth for forty

1665
01:34:21.960 --> 01:34:25.439
<v Speaker 1>days after that, preaching to the hundreds of people before

1666
01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:26.399
<v Speaker 1>ascending into heaven.

1667
01:34:27.119 --> 01:34:31.319
<v Speaker 2>All of that is now being verified through multiple first

1668
01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:34.119
<v Speaker 2>person eyewitness accounts, and he was talking about it on

1669
01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:37.640
<v Speaker 2>this podcast. It's mind blowing, dude.

1670
01:34:37.920 --> 01:34:40.079
<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'm going to look that up for sure.

1671
01:34:40.159 --> 01:34:43.159
<v Speaker 1>Then it's a three hour pod, but it is worth

1672
01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:45.439
<v Speaker 1>the three hours, bro, especially during the driving that you do.

1673
01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:46.439
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

1674
01:34:47.800 --> 01:34:51.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I did hear something about that Billy Carson character.

1675
01:34:51.159 --> 01:34:54.000
<v Speaker 4>You mentioned. This must have happened a month or two ago.

1676
01:34:55.199 --> 01:34:59.079
<v Speaker 2>About a month ago, Yeah, yeah, And I mean he

1677
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:00.800
<v Speaker 2>just handled it's so poorly.

1678
01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:03.039
<v Speaker 1>He could have just taken the l and been like,

1679
01:35:03.039 --> 01:35:06.119
<v Speaker 1>all right, listen, maybe I'm not as well versed in

1680
01:35:06.239 --> 01:35:08.279
<v Speaker 1>the Bible as I have claimed to be, but I

1681
01:35:08.279 --> 01:35:09.720
<v Speaker 1>still know about the Samerian tablets.

1682
01:35:09.760 --> 01:35:11.199
<v Speaker 2>I still know about this. I still know about this.

1683
01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Like he could have done that and just taken that

1684
01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:18.319
<v Speaker 1>L and made it a lowercase L. But my god,

1685
01:35:18.560 --> 01:35:21.319
<v Speaker 1>he did everything in his power to dig a hole

1686
01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:24.600
<v Speaker 1>for himself. And then the homeboy, still as we are

1687
01:35:24.600 --> 01:35:27.399
<v Speaker 1>speaking right now, has not put down the shovel. It's

1688
01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:31.319
<v Speaker 1>it's bad. He's like spiraling. But and that makes me

1689
01:35:31.359 --> 01:35:31.840
<v Speaker 1>really happy.

1690
01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna lie. I do not like him at all.

1691
01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, sorry, you were you were talking to Anthony,

1692
01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:41.159
<v Speaker 1>and you and I got on this whole other tangent

1693
01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:44.119
<v Speaker 1>on this. But Anthony, to circle back to the question

1694
01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:46.800
<v Speaker 1>you asked earlier, did we do a decent job of

1695
01:35:46.840 --> 01:35:51.239
<v Speaker 1>answering why so many Christians in America are so pro Israel?

1696
01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:52.960
<v Speaker 4>You did?

1697
01:35:53.680 --> 01:35:58.159
<v Speaker 5>From from from a Christian perspective, it makes sense. I

1698
01:35:58.199 --> 01:36:01.319
<v Speaker 5>do just have to add that for myspect you know,

1699
01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:05.680
<v Speaker 5>being pagan, night Norse, Pagan, Anglo Saxon pagan. Yeah, we're

1700
01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:10.079
<v Speaker 5>trying to even Odin's trying to avoid Ragnarok at any cost, like.

1701
01:36:10.079 --> 01:36:12.000
<v Speaker 3>That's gonna suck. People are gonna die.

1702
01:36:12.359 --> 01:36:17.840
<v Speaker 5>So the concept of trying to hasten armageddon seems seems dumb.

1703
01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:22.840
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, from the outside looking in, uh no, no

1704
01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:23.840
<v Speaker 5>shade being thrown.

1705
01:36:23.960 --> 01:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I get it.

1706
01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:28.319
<v Speaker 1>And it's there is a group that is absolutely trying

1707
01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:31.039
<v Speaker 1>to hasten it. I'm not saying that they don't exist,

1708
01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:34.880
<v Speaker 1>but for me, as a Christian, for instance, I am

1709
01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>super happy that Israel is a nation again, not because

1710
01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:41.880
<v Speaker 1>it will bring about the end times, but because that's

1711
01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:43.479
<v Speaker 1>kind of what has to happen.

1712
01:36:43.720 --> 01:36:46.680
<v Speaker 2>The same way that we don't see Christians don't see the.

1713
01:36:46.720 --> 01:36:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Jews as the quote unquote bad guys, even though they

1714
01:36:49.119 --> 01:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>are directly responsible for murdering our Lord and Savior. We

1715
01:36:52.920 --> 01:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>see it as they were supposed to. And Jesus knew that.

1716
01:36:56.239 --> 01:36:58.039
<v Speaker 1>That's why he was so calm about it when he

1717
01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>went to the to the Last Supper and he told

1718
01:37:00.199 --> 01:37:03.199
<v Speaker 1>his boys, like, yo, this is about to happen. I'm

1719
01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:06.000
<v Speaker 1>about to be killed. He knew that he was born

1720
01:37:06.439 --> 01:37:09.119
<v Speaker 1>to be sacrificed. That was the entire reason for him living.

1721
01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:13.439
<v Speaker 1>We see it as what it has to be this way,

1722
01:37:13.840 --> 01:37:16.520
<v Speaker 1>like it's not fun. It's not fair, but like no

1723
01:37:16.560 --> 01:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>one said the life was ever going to be fair, right,

1724
01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>But that's basically, it's not that it's we should keep

1725
01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:27.319
<v Speaker 1>it from happening. It's that it's gonna happen anyway, whether

1726
01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:30.279
<v Speaker 1>we're on board with it or not. But if we

1727
01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:34.319
<v Speaker 1>are supposed to be people of faith and the book

1728
01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:37.439
<v Speaker 1>says that this is going to happen this way, we

1729
01:37:37.479 --> 01:37:40.399
<v Speaker 1>should welcome it as a sign of the times.

1730
01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:43.640
<v Speaker 2>That's at least from my perspective, Tony, your.

1731
01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:46.720
<v Speaker 4>Thoughts, Yeah, I'm going to sound a bit like a

1732
01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:50.560
<v Speaker 4>leftist for a second year, but screw it. I think

1733
01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:56.239
<v Speaker 4>that Zionism, in the understanding of a lot of American

1734
01:37:56.399 --> 01:38:03.000
<v Speaker 4>evangelical primarily white people, is it's the last acceptable form

1735
01:38:03.399 --> 01:38:08.159
<v Speaker 4>of white identitarianism and colonialism. I know that sounds all

1736
01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:11.199
<v Speaker 4>left wing, but you know, white people went through our

1737
01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:14.920
<v Speaker 4>manifest destiny phase to conquer North America and wipe out

1738
01:38:14.960 --> 01:38:19.079
<v Speaker 4>most of the Indians, and there's you know, a massive,

1739
01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:22.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, guilt trip from the left about that now.

1740
01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:29.239
<v Speaker 4>But for some reason, you know, Israel's similar idea of

1741
01:38:29.279 --> 01:38:34.159
<v Speaker 4>manifest destiny that they're successfully implementing right now, and that

1742
01:38:34.199 --> 01:38:36.359
<v Speaker 4>they have been for the past decades.

1743
01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Over in Israel from the river to the sea. Man.

1744
01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:43.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's uh, it's well, their own version of it

1745
01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:45.640
<v Speaker 4>is a little more sheltered because if you speak too

1746
01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:48.600
<v Speaker 4>negatively about that, you will be called an anti Semite.

1747
01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>So it's cool again, It's like really cool in the

1748
01:38:53.880 --> 01:38:56.600
<v Speaker 1>popular of zeitgeist to be an anti Semite these days.

1749
01:38:56.600 --> 01:38:58.800
<v Speaker 2>It's wild how they flip flop so fast.

1750
01:38:59.239 --> 01:39:02.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's I think part of that is that it's

1751
01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:06.560
<v Speaker 4>just been long enough since World War Two that you know,

1752
01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:12.479
<v Speaker 4>a lot of younger adults now they the whole story

1753
01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:15.640
<v Speaker 4>of the Holocaust, which really did happen. It just doesn't

1754
01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:19.520
<v Speaker 4>resonate with them as much. Right and yeah, on the

1755
01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:22.920
<v Speaker 4>far right especially, but i'd say on the mainstream left,

1756
01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:27.640
<v Speaker 4>the criticism of Israel is also a lot more popular,

1757
01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:29.840
<v Speaker 4>especially among non white people.

1758
01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Which is wild because most Jews in America are liberal.

1759
01:39:33.479 --> 01:39:34.680
<v Speaker 2>That's so wild to me.

1760
01:39:35.439 --> 01:39:38.079
<v Speaker 4>Uh huh. But you know, even as far back as

1761
01:39:38.079 --> 01:39:44.439
<v Speaker 4>the sixties, like black people, the followers of Malcolm X,

1762
01:39:44.479 --> 01:39:47.640
<v Speaker 4>they were not Israel supporters. They looked at what was

1763
01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:51.279
<v Speaker 4>going on over there. They you know, brown people see

1764
01:39:51.319 --> 01:39:54.439
<v Speaker 4>this as white people beaten up on brown people. Basically,

1765
01:39:54.960 --> 01:39:59.279
<v Speaker 4>but you know, white right wing leaning, and I'm talking

1766
01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:02.439
<v Speaker 4>about mainstream kosher right, not far right, fringe right, yeah,

1767
01:40:02.479 --> 01:40:04.199
<v Speaker 4>which is kind of more like what I am in

1768
01:40:04.239 --> 01:40:10.199
<v Speaker 4>most ways. But in mainstream right wing white Americans, yeah,

1769
01:40:10.279 --> 01:40:14.840
<v Speaker 4>they must feel like they have a right to exist.

1770
01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:19.920
<v Speaker 4>And you know, is Israel, they they they see a

1771
01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:22.720
<v Speaker 4>lot of fraternity with Israel. They think Israel is our

1772
01:40:22.760 --> 01:40:26.800
<v Speaker 4>people and the Muslims over there are not our people.

1773
01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:31.079
<v Speaker 4>And I know, I know it sounds, you know, kind

1774
01:40:31.079 --> 01:40:34.640
<v Speaker 4>of cringe, but Zionism kind of is the last mostly

1775
01:40:34.680 --> 01:40:38.439
<v Speaker 4>politically acceptable form of white colonialism.

1776
01:40:39.199 --> 01:40:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you that.

1777
01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:43.239
<v Speaker 1>And and to further that point, the oh my god, dude,

1778
01:40:43.920 --> 01:40:47.079
<v Speaker 1>I heard this recently. A lot of people believe that,

1779
01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:53.319
<v Speaker 1>like most Mexicans right, that that that is also some

1780
01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:56.520
<v Speaker 1>form of well, I'm gonna go off one, thank you,

1781
01:40:56.560 --> 01:40:58.880
<v Speaker 1>said Malcolm X earlier. That makes me think of the

1782
01:40:58.960 --> 01:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Nation of Islam, which we did a whole episode on

1783
01:41:01.960 --> 01:41:04.399
<v Speaker 1>the cult Conspiracy about their beliefs, which.

1784
01:41:04.479 --> 01:41:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Is absolutely mind blowing.

1785
01:41:07.640 --> 01:41:11.680
<v Speaker 1>What that cult really believes is truth that white people

1786
01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:14.479
<v Speaker 1>were creating six hundred years of forced breeding to create it.

1787
01:41:14.479 --> 01:41:15.800
<v Speaker 2>It's a whole thing, whole thing.

1788
01:41:16.720 --> 01:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>But in that same regard they believe that Mexican and

1789
01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Native American people because they say, well, Mexicans are Native Americans,

1790
01:41:26.239 --> 01:41:29.800
<v Speaker 1>they're Aztecs. And it's like, hmm, do y'all have any

1791
01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:33.800
<v Speaker 1>idea what the Spanish did to the natives to create

1792
01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:35.960
<v Speaker 1>what we now call Mexico. It's like that was their

1793
01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:39.520
<v Speaker 1>own version of manifest destiny, Like real shit, So I

1794
01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:43.199
<v Speaker 1>think you're onto something here, bro for real, Anthony, your

1795
01:41:43.199 --> 01:41:44.159
<v Speaker 1>hand is raised, sir.

1796
01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:54.960
<v Speaker 5>Or no, I my button was act the word. I

1797
01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:56.680
<v Speaker 5>didn't want to just dip out on you. I gotta

1798
01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:57.760
<v Speaker 5>go to bed, I gotta get.

1799
01:41:57.680 --> 01:41:58.359
<v Speaker 3>Up early.

1800
01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:03.319
<v Speaker 5>So I will see you all next week. And if

1801
01:42:03.319 --> 01:42:05.119
<v Speaker 5>you got anything you might want me.

1802
01:42:05.039 --> 01:42:08.159
<v Speaker 3>To freaking talk about next week, shoot.

1803
01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:09.399
<v Speaker 5>Me a message so I can have more than a

1804
01:42:09.439 --> 01:42:10.960
<v Speaker 5>half branded articulate answer.

1805
01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, sounds good, brother.

1806
01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:15.399
<v Speaker 1>And to be honest with you, I think we might

1807
01:42:15.399 --> 01:42:17.600
<v Speaker 1>only go for another like ten or fifteen to be

1808
01:42:17.640 --> 01:42:19.760
<v Speaker 1>honest with you. But yeah, I'm glad you were able

1809
01:42:19.800 --> 01:42:22.199
<v Speaker 1>to stop in with us on this uh this first

1810
01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:27.119
<v Speaker 1>live again. I apologize about the technical difficulties. For some reason,

1811
01:42:27.159 --> 01:42:30.159
<v Speaker 1>my zoom was not acting correctly. Wouldn't let me post

1812
01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the link on Patreon, and then the camera that I

1813
01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:35.600
<v Speaker 1>usually use wouldn't sync to my laptop. This is, like

1814
01:42:35.640 --> 01:42:37.479
<v Speaker 1>you said, this is amateur hour up in here, but

1815
01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean kind of first time flying solo.

1816
01:42:40.079 --> 01:42:42.239
<v Speaker 2>And of course Murphy's law, if it can go wrong,

1817
01:42:42.279 --> 01:42:43.119
<v Speaker 2>it will go wrong.

1818
01:42:43.239 --> 01:42:46.239
<v Speaker 1>So I'm glad we were still able to make it happen, though,

1819
01:42:46.399 --> 01:42:48.720
<v Speaker 1>But thank you for joining us this evening, be Doug.

1820
01:42:49.399 --> 01:42:51.119
<v Speaker 3>Of course, and I will see you next week.

1821
01:42:51.119 --> 01:42:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Brother, Thank you, man, thank you.

1822
01:42:52.680 --> 01:42:55.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, before you go, any chance we could do this earlier,

1823
01:42:56.079 --> 01:42:59.840
<v Speaker 4>like eight pm or just have to be nine Central? Ah?

1824
01:43:01.239 --> 01:43:03.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not really tied to any The only

1825
01:43:03.479 --> 01:43:05.039
<v Speaker 1>reason why I do nine is because I have to

1826
01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:07.119
<v Speaker 1>put my kids to bed when I have them, so

1827
01:43:08.039 --> 01:43:10.840
<v Speaker 1>usually their bedtime is about eight thirty, so I mean

1828
01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:13.840
<v Speaker 1>I can go a little bit earlier, but nine is

1829
01:43:13.840 --> 01:43:15.760
<v Speaker 1>typically like I could put them to bed, I get

1830
01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:18.000
<v Speaker 1>whatever housework done I need to get done, get everything

1831
01:43:18.039 --> 01:43:21.319
<v Speaker 1>set up, and then we start at nine. So depending

1832
01:43:21.319 --> 01:43:23.680
<v Speaker 1>on the week, I can go earlier, but dast thing.

1833
01:43:23.680 --> 01:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to jump nine one week, eight one

1834
01:43:26.039 --> 01:43:28.199
<v Speaker 1>week and whatever. I want to try to keep it standard,

1835
01:43:28.279 --> 01:43:30.760
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think we're ever gonna do three hour

1836
01:43:30.840 --> 01:43:34.239
<v Speaker 1>long on this because these episodes will be released on

1837
01:43:34.279 --> 01:43:36.960
<v Speaker 1>the Cult of Conspiracy on Thursdays. So like, as soon

1838
01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:39.479
<v Speaker 1>as we wrap here, I'm editing it and we're gonna

1839
01:43:39.479 --> 01:43:41.880
<v Speaker 1>promote pump it and it's gonna be out for everybody

1840
01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:42.880
<v Speaker 1>to hear for tomorrow.

1841
01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:46.720
<v Speaker 2>So but I'll do what i can.

1842
01:43:49.560 --> 01:43:52.119
<v Speaker 4>All right, Cool. Yeah, I'm just wondering, and yeah, I

1843
01:43:52.119 --> 01:43:54.239
<v Speaker 4>don't have much more to say, really, I mean, I

1844
01:43:55.239 --> 01:43:57.560
<v Speaker 4>just can't think of anything. Yeah about you, what's on

1845
01:43:57.600 --> 01:43:59.279
<v Speaker 4>your mind? Anything else you wanted to get to.

1846
01:43:59.560 --> 01:44:01.479
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, the only other thing I really wanted to talk

1847
01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:04.760
<v Speaker 1>about was the forest fires quote unquote you know, let's

1848
01:44:04.800 --> 01:44:07.800
<v Speaker 1>call them wildfires in California right now, which are But

1849
01:44:07.840 --> 01:44:08.199
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing.

1850
01:44:08.239 --> 01:44:09.800
<v Speaker 2>If we're gonna get started on that, we're gonna be

1851
01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:10.159
<v Speaker 2>here for.

1852
01:44:10.159 --> 01:44:13.760
<v Speaker 1>A whole another long one, and honestly, we're probably gonna

1853
01:44:13.800 --> 01:44:15.640
<v Speaker 1>do an episode on the Cult about it because there's

1854
01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:20.319
<v Speaker 1>it's very interesting the locations where these fires started.

1855
01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:22.039
<v Speaker 2>As all around LA.

1856
01:44:23.199 --> 01:44:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering if they are not trying to take out

1857
01:44:25.560 --> 01:44:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the homeless population and or just take out La as

1858
01:44:29.880 --> 01:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>a whole thing.

1859
01:44:32.239 --> 01:44:33.680
<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard anything about where.

1860
01:44:33.479 --> 01:44:36.600
<v Speaker 1>They started from, who started them if it's a terrorist plot,

1861
01:44:36.640 --> 01:44:38.760
<v Speaker 1>because we got that going on in this country right now,

1862
01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:40.560
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know, but that's the thing.

1863
01:44:40.760 --> 01:44:41.800
<v Speaker 2>We really don't have the.

1864
01:44:41.800 --> 01:44:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Time to get into that this evening, but uh, you

1865
01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>know what, Yeah, we might as well wrap it here.

1866
01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:50.039
<v Speaker 1>So thank y'all for everybody that did make it out here,

1867
01:44:50.079 --> 01:44:53.199
<v Speaker 1>and to anybody listening to this on the Cult of Conspiracy,

1868
01:44:53.279 --> 01:44:57.119
<v Speaker 1>please come check out the Cajun Night Patreon account and

1869
01:44:57.199 --> 01:45:00.520
<v Speaker 1>join us next Wednesday night as we delve into all

1870
01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:02.520
<v Speaker 1>the other stuff that y'all want to get into. I

1871
01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:06.439
<v Speaker 1>love this, this open forum back and forth or exchanging ideas.

1872
01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:08.119
<v Speaker 2>I think we're all kind of growing as people as

1873
01:45:08.119 --> 01:45:08.800
<v Speaker 2>a result of it.

1874
01:45:08.880 --> 01:45:13.239
<v Speaker 1>And I had fun to see me so yes, indeed,

1875
01:45:14.680 --> 01:45:16.680
<v Speaker 1>with that being said, uh, we'll go ahead and wrap

1876
01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:19.279
<v Speaker 1>this and uh I'll catch you next time.
