Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome, Welcome to the first ever Cajun
Speaker 1: Night Live event. Sorry about the technical difficulties to get
Speaker 1: started with this.
Speaker 2: It has been quite an evening.
Speaker 1: For me personally at the house, so I've been trying
Speaker 1: to throw things together at the last minute try to
Speaker 1: make this happen, And honestly, I don't exactly know where
Speaker 1: I want the conversation to go tonight as far as
Speaker 1: anything at all. Honestly, I mean, if you look at
Speaker 1: the news right now, there's all kinds of wild things
Speaker 1: going on. If you look at the cultural and media space,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going on right now. But
Speaker 1: I want this to kind of be an open form
Speaker 1: for all of us to just kind of bounce ideas
Speaker 1: around and talk about whatever really comes up. So I
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily want this to be a conspiratorial conversation, although
Speaker 1: it definitely can be. I'm looking at these fire is
Speaker 1: going on in California right now, and there's so many
Speaker 1: red flags that are jumping out to me. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess that's just kind of that's my natural way
Speaker 1: of looking at things. So I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm being extra, if there's really you know some
Speaker 1: conspiratorial things happening here. But first and foremost, I want
Speaker 1: to thank y'all for joining me on the first one.
Speaker 1: This really means a lot, this side project that I'm
Speaker 1: trying to turn into an actual thing. It means a
Speaker 1: lot to know there's people behind me on this. So
Speaker 1: much love and appreciation to y'all. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: actually with the two, actually the three people here, interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: I am very interested to talk to Anthony and to
Speaker 1: Tony and to Ravenly about a couple of different things.
Speaker 1: But I want to kind of go down the list
Speaker 1: here in particular Anthony last night. First of all, do
Speaker 1: you prefer Anthony or Tony?
Speaker 3: Just curious?
Speaker 4: Anthony?
Speaker 2: All right? Word up?
Speaker 1: Yesterday you had mentioned that you are a pagan religiously
Speaker 1: speaking correct.
Speaker 3: Correct of the Norse Anglo Saxon variety.
Speaker 2: Yes, I had figured as much.
Speaker 1: Now when you said Norse Anglo Saxon, you gave that
Speaker 1: extra you know, description behind it. So can I ask
Speaker 1: you what does the mechanics of your day to day
Speaker 1: religion and faith kind of look like?
Speaker 2: Like I understand you're not offering sacrifices, and again.
Speaker 1: Within the realm of reason, you know, but what does
Speaker 1: your faith actually look like to you on a day
Speaker 1: to day if you don't mind me asking?
Speaker 2: And I asked this.
Speaker 1: Because there are so many different answers when you talk
Speaker 1: to pagan and people of that belief that I mean,
Speaker 1: it could be just a thought, or it could be
Speaker 1: something you physically do.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Well, so for me, I'd like there really wouldn't be
Speaker 5: and most of the ones that I've talked to there
Speaker 5: wouldn't either day to day like you would think a
Speaker 5: Christian's daily devotionals things like that. That's fair, And as
Speaker 5: you say you're not the best representation of a Christian,
Speaker 5: I do also have to put out there that I
Speaker 5: am not the.
Speaker 3: Best representation of a of a of a pagan. But
Speaker 3: just across the board.
Speaker 1: Game recognized game brother, I appreciate you being real with
Speaker 1: me for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So, I'm sure there are people that are going to
Speaker 5: hear this that are going to be like, this guy
Speaker 5: is slacking and a piece of shit.
Speaker 3: OK, we'll put it, you know, just get that out.
Speaker 2: Of the way.
Speaker 3: Sure, most of so there's really two forms, right.
Speaker 5: There are some people that they do monthly rituals very
Speaker 5: similar to how wickens do their monthly ritual will fall
Speaker 5: like the eight spokes of the year.
Speaker 3: And then there is.
Speaker 5: Seasonal rituals which some some do mainly of the focush
Speaker 5: variant that I've seen where they do uh a.
Speaker 1: Fall that'd be like Mabon and embolic and these type
Speaker 1: of big seasonal Yeah.
Speaker 3: Got you, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: If they're doing the if they're doing the monthly, the seasonals,
Speaker 5: I'm drawing a blank on the name the names, but
Speaker 5: a big one is Yule. Obviously everybody knows that's but
Speaker 5: for some the dates actually change, so it's not it's
Speaker 5: not end of December, it's actually early January.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now you said, is that like historically there's a
Speaker 1: precedence for that, or is that more of a cultural
Speaker 1: thing in today's world to your knowledge anyway?
Speaker 3: Two?
Speaker 5: Okay, through my knowledge at least in at least in
Speaker 5: the American revival, that's the word I was looking for.
Speaker 5: That seems to be more of a tailtale end of
Speaker 5: December into mid January. There are arguments that there is
Speaker 5: a historical precedent, but honestly, what what gets really kind
Speaker 5: of jammed up and makes the the studies kind of hard, is.
Speaker 3: Really realistically.
Speaker 5: Depending on where these people were at in what we
Speaker 5: now call Europe, Like the seasons were different, so things
Speaker 5: happened at different times.
Speaker 3: And one thing a lot of people.
Speaker 5: Overlook is like the reason I gave the kind of
Speaker 5: the Anglo Saxon misnomer. So the what we the what
Speaker 5: we now call England was more or less started by
Speaker 5: the Anglo what we call the Anglo Saxon tribes, right,
Speaker 5: Anglo Saxon languages, this, that and the other thing. So
Speaker 5: the Anglo Saxons come from the Angles and the Saxons
Speaker 5: who both immigrated to that area from.
Speaker 3: I want to say the Saxons came from.
Speaker 5: Scandinavia and the Angles came from continental Europe, continent continental Germania.
Speaker 5: If you're reading older books, like especially from Rome.
Speaker 3: You're gonna call your Germania.
Speaker 5: So that's that's why oftentimes you'll also hear the term
Speaker 5: Germanic paganism. That's not Germany necessarily. That is, historically speaking,
Speaker 5: that's what Europe was called before was Europe.
Speaker 1: It's like the north of Europe, the outside of the
Speaker 1: Roman Empire kind of thing.
Speaker 2: And I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1: So the Britannica or the Britannics, I should say, which
Speaker 1: are like the remnants of whatever tribes are on the
Speaker 1: British Isles before the Romans got there, plus the Roman
Speaker 1: influence after you know, Rome fall fell and everything. When
Speaker 1: the let's just call the Nordics for you know, lack
Speaker 1: of the vikings the you know, because there's tribes throughout
Speaker 1: in which countries they came from and everything. So the
Speaker 1: Anglo saxon, the Anglo pagan that you claim is more
Speaker 1: of a traditional Britannic based version of the Nordic pagan Yeah.
Speaker 5: And that's and that's really dominantly because I'm like half Celtic,
Speaker 5: half English. So yeah, I mean there's really, unfortunately, for
Speaker 5: as little as there is on the Norse pagan religion, yeah,
Speaker 5: there is even less on the Celtic.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Celtics are kind of set upon by the
Speaker 1: Catholic Church. I actually, yeah, bro, I just uh, there
Speaker 1: was this, it's like a forty five minute breakdown I
Speaker 1: found on YouTube of the only religion that kun firmed
Speaker 1: was successfully wiped off the face of the earth, and
Speaker 1: that's the Druids, because yeah, there is no written record
Speaker 1: of what they were really about. All we have is
Speaker 1: like Roman sources that wrote down what they saw them
Speaker 1: do with a couple of their rituals, and like they
Speaker 1: have no context to know what means what why they're
Speaker 1: doing this. They just kind of wrote a couple things
Speaker 1: down and then the Catholic Church came.
Speaker 2: And just waged absolute war against them.
Speaker 1: So we have people these days that are claiming that
Speaker 1: they are doing Druidic practices in these things, but it's
Speaker 1: like what they're based off of typically is word of
Speaker 1: mouth passed down so on and so forth. So that's
Speaker 1: where it gets into that air of murky waters. But so,
Speaker 1: how does in for your beliefs, how does Anglo Nordic
Speaker 1: paganism differ from Danish Nordic paganism or something like that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's nuances.
Speaker 3: There are, but honestly a lot of them are very subtle. Sure, So.
Speaker 5: When I'm talking about it in a like on this,
Speaker 5: like when I'm talking about the gods for instance, right
Speaker 5: on bigger platforms, because like I used to do a
Speaker 5: podcast about this, I'll use the Norse names because people
Speaker 5: know Odin for Frey, Frey, et cetera. But from the
Speaker 5: Anglo Saxon perspective, Odin would be Odin with a W
Speaker 5: thor would be Thunar, et cetera. So in my personal
Speaker 5: practice I use the more anglicized names. But really that's
Speaker 5: about the extent of it.
Speaker 3: I'm honestly kind of eclectic at the like.
Speaker 5: Over the last five years, I've really gotten more just
Speaker 5: like eclectic in that I use I use the.
Speaker 3: I follow the Norse gods, I work with them.
Speaker 5: But I've also just come to terms with the fact
Speaker 5: because I have dealt with multiple groups, multiple people, and
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, we are we are.
Speaker 5: We are reviving a dead religion. That's ultimately what it
Speaker 5: comes down to. With very little actually was written down,
Speaker 5: and you have a whole bunch of quote unquote linguists that,
Speaker 5: sure it can translate the words, but don't understand the
Speaker 5: the context.
Speaker 3: Of the times.
Speaker 5: Sure, And so I'm more just trying to do what
Speaker 5: feels right than what somebody wrote in a book says
Speaker 5: is right, because for better or worse, we have myths
Speaker 5: written down, but those myths are not our Bible, right,
Speaker 5: you know, So we don't have a holy scripture telling
Speaker 5: us what's right and what's right and what's wrong.
Speaker 1: So on that same vibe, Zombie I see your hand up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you get to you in a second.
Speaker 1: But I was told by a group of Nordic pagans
Speaker 1: locally at an embolic festival that I went to that essentially,
Speaker 1: in the Nordic religion, there is no such thing as
Speaker 1: like sin, right, There's no there's nothing of that nature.
Speaker 1: And I was kind of perplexed by that. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's no going against like the will of the gods,
Speaker 1: and that's not a thing. And they're like, okay, sure
Speaker 1: there's outright blasphemy and disrespect, but it's from what I
Speaker 1: was getting given to understand. Y'all, don't pray to the
Speaker 1: gods or ask for the gods to help you. You
Speaker 1: more or less ask for the gods to give you
Speaker 1: the guidance and the wisdom and the strength to get
Speaker 1: through it on your own. Now, is that about accurate
Speaker 1: or is there something I'm missing here?
Speaker 5: So that's that, that's not it. That's not entirely accurate.
Speaker 5: But you're you're on the right track, okay. So we
Speaker 5: don't believe in sin, in that we don't believe we
Speaker 5: are born having to pay the consequences for a man
Speaker 5: and woman however many thousand years however, many thousand years ago,
Speaker 5: we don't believe we were born imperfect beings. And some
Speaker 5: of the other things that Abrahamic religion teaches about us
Speaker 5: is in the human condition, not saying that's wrong, that
Speaker 5: that's just the difference.
Speaker 3: Now, there are definitely sins like.
Speaker 5: Kin slaying, anything bad to children, yeah, not being gracious hosts,
Speaker 5: like yeah, yeah, yeah, not being a gracious host.
Speaker 2: So they're there, but the uh.
Speaker 5: For them because there was also the concept of the knitting,
Speaker 5: which the pretty much the transliteration means nothing. So somebody
Speaker 5: fucked up to the point where they are nothing. They
Speaker 5: are cast out, they are cast out of the tribe
Speaker 5: and left defend for themselves, like they're looked at as.
Speaker 3: An animal at that point.
Speaker 5: Okay, and they're in some in some uh while there's
Speaker 5: never so how do word.
Speaker 1: This because it's not like you'll see that there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a penance for the wrongdoings after the fact, like
Speaker 1: after death, because it's more like you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: reap what you sew here. Where you go afterwards depends
Speaker 1: a lot of how you lived your life and also
Speaker 1: how you die and there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Of things that go into that.
Speaker 1: But it's not like, uh, you're gonna do something now
Speaker 1: and pay for it after the am I is that
Speaker 1: a correct as well or.
Speaker 3: For the most part.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: So one thing, one thing I absolutely want to clear up.
Speaker 3: Valhalla is not Heaven.
Speaker 2: No, it is not. It is a version of it,
Speaker 2: and a bad as one at that.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: Look, it is a high honor. It is a high honor.
Speaker 5: It is one of the places you can go after death.
Speaker 5: But Valhalla is for apex predators. Like I'm talking about
Speaker 5: the best of the the best of the best of
Speaker 5: green Berets seals, like the.
Speaker 3: People with body counts that we don't even.
Speaker 5: Talk about, right Okay, Like I'm sorry, that's gonna ruffle
Speaker 5: people's feathers. As much as I respect and acknowledge that
Speaker 5: people that have lost lost fights to say cancer or
Speaker 5: other illnesses, those are not going to get to the Valhalla.
Speaker 5: Those are straw deaths.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: The main place where people go is the halls of
Speaker 5: the ancestors in Helheim hell h e l a lot of.
Speaker 3: There is a lot of.
Speaker 1: Isn't there a farm that either frig or frail runs
Speaker 1: that that's another option to.
Speaker 3: Folkvanger. That's the one that's so that's another thing too,
Speaker 3: with a lot of.
Speaker 5: The machismo in the North Pagan's fears. Because I'm gonna
Speaker 5: be honest, it's a sausage fest. There's very few women.
Speaker 3: Sure, a lot of people overlooked that.
Speaker 5: In when Warriors fell, Frea got the first pick Odin.
Speaker 3: Odin respected her power so much he gives her the
Speaker 3: first pick.
Speaker 1: But if she passes up to say that this dude
Speaker 1: obviously belongs to Valhalla, then that's just what it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean another point is too, is you
Speaker 5: not only have to die in battle, there's got to
Speaker 5: be a valkyrie there to see it. You could die
Speaker 5: the most heroic death ever written. But if there wasn't
Speaker 5: a valkyrie there to witness it, it means nothing interesting. So
Speaker 5: there is Hellheim, which is the equivalent of Tartaris. There
Speaker 5: are people in the Norse pagan sphere that make the
Speaker 5: linguistic argument that when Christians started coming into Europe Germania
Speaker 5: and converted, they coined the term hell from the pagan
Speaker 5: Hellheim to turn what was there after their the halls
Speaker 5: of their ancestors and their afterlife the equivalent of Tartaris
Speaker 5: like it's cool. You know, it's not bad, but it's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 5: into a bad place. Now that being said, there is
Speaker 5: a place called niffle Hell and it's described as being
Speaker 5: in Hellheim, very close to Nifflheim, the Realm of Ice,
Speaker 5: and it is a hall that is made up of
Speaker 5: sharp spears and swords, with snakes slithering all through and
Speaker 5: venom dripping where kin slayers and breakers go.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there is a version of a quote unquote
Speaker 1: hell or shoal or bad spot.
Speaker 2: There's a bad spot you can go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but to get there you really have like you
Speaker 5: almost have to be trying.
Speaker 2: Got you okay?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Raven Lee please chime in on this.
Speaker 6: Sorry, sorry my phone, my phone wouldn't let it go.
Speaker 6: What I was gonna say earlier about the linguists, I
Speaker 6: was actually just reading about this AI transcript that they're
Speaker 6: using right now. So they're actually utilizing AI to read
Speaker 6: the oldest scrolls found and they've been trying to decipher
Speaker 6: them forever, but they fall apart when they try to
Speaker 6: even get near them. And they actually are using an
Speaker 6: AI machine, which we all know how I feel about AI,
Speaker 6: but they're piecing it together to be able to read this,
Speaker 6: and so they were talking about you it for the
Speaker 6: sagas as well, to try to you know, interpret because
Speaker 6: the AI has so many known languages, it's going to
Speaker 6: try to decipher what actually was being written and how
Speaker 6: it translated. Which I thought that was interesting because it
Speaker 6: jumped from like different religions around the world that they're
Speaker 6: going to try to utilize this AI for.
Speaker 1: I've heard of the amusing that same and I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's the same story or if there was
Speaker 1: a you know, a Samarian or whatever. But I saw
Speaker 1: a story of a scroll and when they tried unraveling it,
Speaker 1: it did start to fall apart.
Speaker 2: So they took like an X.
Speaker 1: Ray scan of it and they were able to see
Speaker 1: what the like, they can tell what was printed.
Speaker 2: Then they plug that into an AI and they were
Speaker 2: trying to do it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's yeah, it's a scroll, Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is the same story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the.
Speaker 6: Same story, but they've actually like made progress. They've gotten
Speaker 6: like I think they've gotten like two paragraphs were so far,
Speaker 6: and they're trying to like figure out exactly like what
Speaker 6: but what it's discussing and stuff. But they're thinking about
Speaker 6: utilizing it for like different areas of the world to
Speaker 6: try to peace in the gaps of religions that were destroyed,
Speaker 6: or they only have like fragments of information.
Speaker 1: So can I be honest, I do not trust AI whatsoever. However,
Speaker 1: with the subaddendum of I am not mad at AI
Speaker 1: being used for this purpose like realistically, to plug it
Speaker 1: in and try to break down a code that humans
Speaker 1: have been able to break down in forever, or to
Speaker 1: decipher something like this, like I'm actually not mad at that.
Speaker 1: That's pretty dope. But okay, that's excellent. So with all that,
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Tony, go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to jump in a little bit on
Speaker 4: a linguistic thing. Yeah, I do speak a fair amount
Speaker 4: of German, so hellheim would translate to bright home. And
Speaker 4: they don't use the word hell for hell the way
Speaker 4: we do. Their word is hulla for the bad place
Speaker 4: you go.
Speaker 2: When you die.
Speaker 4: So and I think that word is related to the
Speaker 4: English word whole, like a hole in the ground, you know,
Speaker 4: a negative place you wouldn't want to go. Another thing
Speaker 4: about the now, my interpretation of the early British history
Speaker 4: is that it was first these Celtic people who were
Speaker 4: speaking a language kind of like Gaelic. And these Saxons
Speaker 4: came from Germany in about seven eight hundred a d.
Speaker 4: And Saxony, by the ways, just south of Berlin. And
Speaker 4: there's another state west of Berlin called Saxon Anhalt, and
Speaker 4: that's where the city of Magdeburg happens to be. So
Speaker 4: the Germans kind of conquered the Celts, and then a
Speaker 4: little later after that the Vikings I think, were raiding
Speaker 4: the coasts all around, and then William the Conqueror from
Speaker 4: France invaded. So yeah, there's multiple invasions going on here,
Speaker 4: and I think it was probably Christianized just before William
Speaker 4: the Conqueror, if I'm not mistaken. So anyway, I just
Speaker 4: wanted to throw that information out in case anyone thought
Speaker 4: it was interesting.
Speaker 2: No, it very much is.
Speaker 1: I mean, English being a German based language, it makes
Speaker 1: sense that there would be some crossovers, and like you said,
Speaker 1: Hellheim would mean that per German, but maybe in Denmark
Speaker 1: they would have a different, a slight variation of that word,
Speaker 1: especially in the religious text. There was a video that
Speaker 1: I found a while back. It was like five girls
Speaker 1: from Nordic speaking places like Sweden, Denmark, Scandinavia, Norway, and
Speaker 1: they all named the gods, and like you said earlier, Anthony,
Speaker 1: some of them.
Speaker 2: Was Wodin or Odin or Odean.
Speaker 1: Then you had Thor or Thor or Thor, and it
Speaker 1: was like they had these weird variations of it. But
Speaker 1: they were speaking about the same god and the same
Speaker 1: stories and all these things, but culturally there'd be these variations.
Speaker 1: Tried to try country to country, this all checks out
Speaker 1: to me. Although, Tony, glad that you are here this.
Speaker 2: Evening, Yeah, glad to be here.
Speaker 1: So I just before we shot this tonight, saw that
Speaker 1: there was a attack in Russia.
Speaker 2: Have you heard about this yet?
Speaker 1: There was a fuel depot that was been lit on fire,
Speaker 1: and apparently Ukraine was successful in demolishing the eighth Army's
Speaker 1: main headquarters. And it's not even near the Kurse Goblost.
Speaker 1: It's a good ways inland. I don't know what to
Speaker 1: make of this. Of course, the media is taking it
Speaker 1: to say like this is just another nail in the
Speaker 1: coffin of Russia, but it is so many things are
Speaker 1: ramping up right now and Ukraine's actually making some decent progress.
Speaker 1: What have you heard on your end as far as
Speaker 1: just the whole situation in Russia and Ukraine, not necessarily
Speaker 1: of this one attack, but of everything when you're in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not quite that up to date then, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I have heard of pretty deep Ukrainian rocket and drone
Speaker 4: attacks into Russia. Yeah, they're using every tool they can. However,
Speaker 4: when it comes to Kursk, except for maybe the last
Speaker 4: thirty square miles, the Russians have mostly pushed Ukrainians out.
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm still I'm overall optimistic for Russia
Speaker 4: to win this thing. Overall. It's taken them a lot
Speaker 4: longer than I thought it would. I think it's taken
Speaker 4: longer than the pro Russian optimists thought it would.
Speaker 1: Well, they thought it was gonna be like a two
Speaker 1: week ordeal or something like that in the beginning.
Speaker 4: But I mean, right, yeah, there were some optimists on
Speaker 4: both sides. It was the whole will all be home
Speaker 4: for Christmas kind of spirit, and you know, it just
Speaker 4: obviously the optimists on both sides were wrong. But yeah, Russia,
Speaker 4: it's got like ninety nine point nine percent of Lugansk
Speaker 4: Province now and part of Harkoff and about two thirds
Speaker 4: or three quarters of all the other three bew to territories.
Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, they will eventually win this thing.
Speaker 4: So I wonder what Trump's gonna do, because Trump has
Speaker 4: made a big deal about trying to end this. But
Speaker 4: I actually don't think that Russia and Ukraine really want
Speaker 4: to sit down at the negotiation table quite yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let me ask you, in this completely opinion
Speaker 1: based one hundred what does Russia winning quote unquote look
Speaker 1: like in your eyes? In your perspective, because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't even see what Ukraine winning looks
Speaker 1: like like. Okay, optimistically, rose colored covered pedestal. Here they
Speaker 1: get back Crimea and all of their land, and it's
Speaker 1: just like it was in twenty ten. I don't see
Speaker 1: that as an actual viable option, honestly. That's that's completely
Speaker 1: you know, sunshine and rainbow type of thing. But what
Speaker 1: does winning look like for from Russia's perspective, the envelopment
Speaker 1: of the entire country, stopping at the oblasts that they've
Speaker 1: gotten and just calling it quits.
Speaker 2: What does it seem like it would be on your end?
Speaker 4: I think for Russia they would consider victory to be
Speaker 4: taking these four oblasty Lugansknetsk, Zapporosia, and Harson. They've got
Speaker 4: almost all of Lugansk right now, they got like two
Speaker 4: thirds or three quarters of all the rest of the
Speaker 4: three of them. And I think if they were to
Speaker 4: you know, push all the way to the to the
Speaker 4: boundaries of those oblasty and maybe a few kilometers past
Speaker 4: that for some kind of extra safety buffer, I think
Speaker 4: they would consider that to be a victory and they
Speaker 4: would be okay negotiating a peace agreement there. The only
Speaker 4: other spot that I think they would have a lot
Speaker 4: of interest in is Odessa, that is west of Crimea,
Speaker 4: and that is Ukraine's last remaining access to the Black Sea.
Speaker 4: And it's also got a pretty you know, Russian speaking population.
Speaker 4: So there's it's hard to say exactly what public opinion
Speaker 4: is in any of these places, because of course the sources. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's really hard to tell what public opinion is. And
Speaker 4: this goes for the American Civil War, the American Revolutionary War,
Speaker 4: this goes for any war. It's all very speculative and
Speaker 4: a lot of people keep their mouths shut. Sure, So, yeah,
Speaker 4: Ukraine is very politically divided east to west by the way,
Speaker 4: and I think the best information on that would be
Speaker 4: the elections that were held, you know, like a decade ago.
Speaker 4: The Ukrainian nationalist parties are overwhelmingly popular in the West,
Speaker 4: and by contrast, the I think Party of Regions was
Speaker 4: the name of Yanikovich's party, and that was overwhelmingly popular
Speaker 4: in the East, eighty percent majorities in both. And you know,
Speaker 4: in the US the deepest red and deepest blue states
Speaker 4: do not have supermajorities overwhelming majorities quite like that. In
Speaker 4: California it's like sixty forty. In Texas it's like fifty
Speaker 4: five forty five. It feels like.
Speaker 2: It didn't used to be. But boy, in the last
Speaker 2: decade it has become that, hasn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's become a lot more purple. Yeah, And I
Speaker 4: live in Texas and I hope it stays red.
Speaker 2: Right, That's just.
Speaker 4: My personal inclination. But yeah, the political polarization in Ukraine
Speaker 4: is way stronger than it is here, and that's saying something.
Speaker 4: So it was a tinderbox before, you know, years ago.
Speaker 1: I agree, And I also agree with your your analysis
Speaker 1: on Odessa being a potential place that they're trying to
Speaker 1: really sink their claws into. Okay, that sounded that sounded
Speaker 1: a little biased. You know what I'm saying, put up
Speaker 1: foothold in because have you heard anything more about what
Speaker 1: happened with the Russian bases in Syria? Because that as
Speaker 1: far as naval assets go for Russia, there's a few
Speaker 1: key ports that would be make or break for them.
Speaker 1: They just lost their massive air base and their massive
Speaker 1: naval base in Syria because the entire side regime has fallen.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything about if they're still holding that terrain,
Speaker 1: if they've evacuated the troops and the equipment, or what
Speaker 1: the situation is cause Syria. Last time I looked at
Speaker 1: the map, it's like subdivided into nine different zones almost,
Speaker 1: and depending on which group and which warlord you're talking to,
Speaker 1: depends on which land you're currently talking about.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, Syria.
Speaker 4: You know, I wish I knew more about it, but
Speaker 4: you know, I was trying to keep up with the
Speaker 4: news a couple of weeks ago. It sounds like Russia
Speaker 4: has still got a pretty good foothold there. And these
Speaker 4: new guys Joe Lani and Neustra or Hyat Tarira al Sham,
Speaker 4: they're not gonna ride a unseat Russia from Latakia or
Speaker 4: I think the other the other spot is mame him
Speaker 4: if I'm pronouncing that right, it's kind of and the
Speaker 4: way I see that is actually very similar to when
Speaker 4: Castro took over Cuba and he didn't touch Guantanamo Bay
Speaker 4: because that would have been suicide. So I think it's
Speaker 4: a very similar situation with HTS and Syria. The western
Speaker 4: part of Syria is the part that's got the Alo Whites,
Speaker 4: the drus and the Christians, and they're the more Asad
Speaker 4: friendly demographic and the more Russian friendly demographic, and that's
Speaker 4: where these Russian bases are. I've seen some negative videos
Speaker 4: out of Syria of these HTS people executing people. My
Speaker 4: overall impression is that, you know, I was more pro Aside,
Speaker 4: even though he was a bad guy. I think these
Speaker 4: new guys are worse. I'm hoping that, you know, things
Speaker 4: will be peaceful there. But my future speculation for Sirius
Speaker 4: it's going to be like Libya ten years from now.
Speaker 4: It's probably still going to be divided and you know,
Speaker 4: low level, hopefully very low level violence, maybe simmering. A
Speaker 4: few people die here and there, but hopefully nothing like
Speaker 4: major mass casualty. Events or anything, and I think Russia
Speaker 4: will hang on to those bases.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard a lot of people as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact. Yeah, of course, when Asad was in power,
Speaker 1: you had people that were pro and anti him, and
Speaker 1: there was a lot of reasons why people could be
Speaker 1: anti Assad. You know, he did, in fact use chemical
Speaker 1: weapons on civilians, He did, in fact do certain things
Speaker 1: like But at the same time, when you look at
Speaker 1: that region of the world, the fact that he was
Speaker 1: an Alawad and the fact that he led the nation
Speaker 1: as he did for as long as he did, Like
Speaker 1: he didn't stay in power just because he had an
Speaker 1: iron fist because of the Again, this is not I.
Speaker 2: Don't live there. I'm not a Muslim. I actually have
Speaker 2: no dog in this fight.
Speaker 1: But from what I was given to believe, because of
Speaker 1: the type of Muslim he is, it was like he
Speaker 1: was not liked by anybody, but he also wasn't hated
Speaker 1: by anybody, because that group is seen as kind of
Speaker 1: like a group of Islamic mystics almost so they're like
Speaker 1: Islam kind of similar to how like the Christians look
Speaker 1: at the Mormons, right, like if a Mormon was to
Speaker 1: take over America, like the Christians wouldn't be mad at it,
Speaker 1: but they wouldn't be happy about it either, kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Uh huh. Yeah, Siria's seventy percent Sunni Muslim. I think
Speaker 4: that the Sunies more like Protestants and the shed Is
Speaker 4: more like Catholics. Yeah, and the ala Whites are Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think your analogy to the Mormons is uh is
Speaker 4: pretty good. I mean, I wish I knew more about
Speaker 4: their faith, but they're just like a smaller minority. So
Speaker 4: the radical Suonis they really don't like Ala White theology.
Speaker 4: They don't like anybody but themselves really sure, the Sunnies,
Speaker 4: but even you know, among the Sunnies, I would say
Speaker 4: that isis is a minority. You know, most Sunies are
Speaker 4: more go along, get along kinds of people.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah. To get back to the chemical weapon thing, I
Speaker 4: don't really agree with that. I think those were false flags.
Speaker 4: There were three big ones. There was Guta, Duma, and
Speaker 4: Kansha Kun and I think all three of those were
Speaker 4: actually either misinterpreted because aside he did drop a lot
Speaker 4: of barrel bombs and stuff. There were plenty of people
Speaker 4: killed just through conventional bombings, but people would be afraid
Speaker 4: of gas. You know they would think that, oh, maybe
Speaker 4: it's a gas attack, but really it's just a bunch
Speaker 4: of pulverized concrete. Or in the case of Guta in
Speaker 4: twenty thirteen, I think that really was a chemical weapons attack,
Speaker 4: but it was launched by the Noose or front.
Speaker 1: I honest with you, I actually don't know with certainty
Speaker 1: if those were false flags or not this happened. I
Speaker 1: think I was in the Marine Corps or maybe even
Speaker 1: I was in high school when those were dropped, and
Speaker 1: I remember hearing about them, and it was chlorine bombs
Speaker 1: and that was like the big thing, and I thought
Speaker 1: that was wild. But I actually never did any more
Speaker 1: digging into it. So I guess I should have said
Speaker 1: there was allegations of chemical biological weapons used on his people.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if we're gonna get real with that,
Speaker 1: we were homies with Saddam and we even gave him
Speaker 1: the saren gas that he used on the Kurds later on,
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's if we're gonna get real technical
Speaker 1: about throwing shade at people for doing things that they
Speaker 1: shouldn't have. I mean, yeah, no, I'm not a fan
Speaker 1: of it, but it is how that area of the
Speaker 1: world operates unfortunately.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And by the way, you might know who was
Speaker 4: initially blamed for the Halabja chemical weapons attack in nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty eight, It was Iran. America tried to blame Iran
Speaker 4: for it in nineteen eighty eight, and then around the
Speaker 4: Gulf War time in ninety one, it became more convenient
Speaker 4: to blame Saddam Hussein for it, and Saddam Hussein was
Speaker 4: actually guilty of it, right, But this just goes to show,
Speaker 4: you know, whoever gets assigned the blame is whoever it's
Speaker 4: politically convenient to assign him to the first attack, the
Speaker 4: Guta attack, was in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: That was the big one that was in the Marine
Speaker 1: Corps at that time. Okay, I was on something there,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is near Damascus and it killed about one
Speaker 4: thousand people. It was. It was huge. And that was
Speaker 4: the one where Obama said that, well, I guess the
Speaker 4: red line has been crossed. I guess maybe we're going
Speaker 4: to have to go to war with Syria. But the OPCW,
Speaker 4: the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons started, you know,
Speaker 4: collecting data, and they did not draw conclusion on this
Speaker 4: to say, Asad definitely did it, and Obama and the
Speaker 4: Congress at the time, they were getting a lot of
Speaker 4: letters from constituents saying that they didn't want war with Syria,
Speaker 4: and Obama he had kind of a hard call to make,
Speaker 4: but he ended up. This was only two years after Libya, right,
Speaker 4: and he said, Okay, I'm not listening to Hillary Clinton
Speaker 4: or Joe Biden. I'm gonna not go to war with Syria.
Speaker 4: And I think that was the right call to make.
Speaker 4: And I agree with huge Obama guy.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of him whatsoever, but I do
Speaker 1: agree that we already were involved in two different foreign conflicts.
Speaker 2: We really didn't need to add a third.
Speaker 1: And I also think him being the populist president that
Speaker 1: he was, I mean, at one point he was actually
Speaker 1: just polling.
Speaker 2: People to see what he should do next.
Speaker 1: And I definitely think that him starting a third warfront
Speaker 1: would have gone horribly for him. So this makes sense.
Speaker 1: And plusure like, he's twenty thirteen. That was right after
Speaker 1: his second inauguration. He was only one year into his
Speaker 1: second term, so he you know, he he wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to do that with his final tour.
Speaker 2: So to speak. So yeah, a lot of things make sense.
Speaker 1: As far as that goes, And like you said, a
Speaker 1: lot of the credibility of if those bombs were in
Speaker 1: fact chemical, biological or not, Were they absolutely from him
Speaker 1: or not.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of up in the air types of things.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I don't even People were trying to throw it out, like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know he found asylum in Russia, and now it
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, Russia's got two massive military bases in
Speaker 1: that country. He's homies with Putin, and like that would
Speaker 1: make sense to me that you would find asylum in Russia.
Speaker 2: But like, so did Edward Snowden, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So I get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with Edward Snowden, it was quite by accident. You
Speaker 4: might have been aware of this. I think he talked
Speaker 4: to Glenn Greenwald in Hong Kong and then he wanted
Speaker 4: to fly through Russia to Ecuador kind of avoid the US,
Speaker 4: but he was having a layover in Russia, and then
Speaker 4: the US revoked his passport, and then Russia, I guess,
Speaker 4: took advantage of it and said, Okay, I guess, well,
Speaker 4: we kind of want you stuck here anyway. So you're
Speaker 4: stuck here, we're not letting you out. So that's how
Speaker 4: he ended up there. But he's married and I think
Speaker 4: he has kids now.
Speaker 1: About that, I honestly I forgot that he accidentally ended
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 2: Holy wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and his girlfriend at the time went and they
Speaker 4: got married and they're still there. He's still he's on
Speaker 4: Twitter and stuff. I listened to his autobiography memoir on tape,
Speaker 4: and yeah, he tried to become Special Forces, but he
Speaker 4: broke his fibula or something, so that's how he ended
Speaker 4: up more of a computer nerd. Yeah, it's worth listening
Speaker 4: to or reading if I think you'd.
Speaker 1: Like it, I absolutely will do this because I mean,
Speaker 1: I personally see him as a hero. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people for some reason, people think he's a trader.
Speaker 1: And it's like the people that do that, the people
Speaker 1: that really believe that, I guess they don't understand what
Speaker 1: the Patriot Act is. I guess they don't understand what
Speaker 1: the NSA does. It's you know, it's better huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I had a question for Anthony on this Saxon Anglo
Speaker 4: Saxon religion. Yeah, is there a lot of ancestor veneration
Speaker 4: in it? Because that's my impression of pagan societies as
Speaker 4: a whole, especially in East Asia, they do a lot
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there, ancestor veneration is is very much a hypoint,
Speaker 5: I would argue. I think I feel like I could
Speaker 5: reasonably argue.
Speaker 3: That it is.
Speaker 5: On if not just slightly below worship of the gods,
Speaker 5: but in a lot of things that I have read in.
Speaker 3: Like in histories or whatever.
Speaker 5: Kind of touching back on when Jacob was asking if
Speaker 5: people reach out to the gods about things, oftentimes people
Speaker 5: were reaching out to the spirits of their ancestors before
Speaker 5: they reached out to the gods. So yes, you could
Speaker 5: very much say that that is a big part of it.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't definitely not the only thing, but ancestral veneration
Speaker 5: is a big part of it.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, So I've heard that as far as that
Speaker 1: goes the gods. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
Speaker 1: The gods don't really care about humans or what humans
Speaker 1: are doing. They take note of exceptional humans, whether that
Speaker 1: be positive or negative, but they'll help if called upon
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But like they're doing their thing, They're
Speaker 1: doing their god thing over on their end. They're not
Speaker 1: like constantly worried about what we got going on.
Speaker 2: Is that also correct.
Speaker 1: And if so, is that why people would go to
Speaker 1: their ancestors before the gods kind of thing.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say they don't care. I would say, the
Speaker 5: gods are up there doing god shit right, so they're
Speaker 5: more looking at us as a whole than the individuals. Okay,
Speaker 5: like the the reason that people went to their ancestors
Speaker 5: or land spirits because there are some There is some
Speaker 5: lore that suggests one of the things that can happen
Speaker 5: after you die is become a dissier if you're a woman,
Speaker 5: which is essentially a it's a term specifically meaning a
Speaker 5: female spirit. Like one of Frea's kinnings is Vanadis, meaning
Speaker 5: this year of the vonn Ear. I cannot recall what
Speaker 5: this year actually translates out to, but it is a
Speaker 5: it is a almost a matriarchal spirit. Then there's some
Speaker 5: lord that suggests, like men that die could potentially become.
Speaker 3: ALFs or elves or.
Speaker 5: Dying into the mound, becoming a land spirit of a
Speaker 5: particular area. So but anyways, getting to the point of
Speaker 5: the asking your ancestors more whether they were wherever they
Speaker 5: were at your ancestors are more directly connected to you.
Speaker 5: They have a more directed vent vested interest in your success.
Speaker 5: And because they're not having to worry about god shit,
Speaker 5: they are more ready and a not more ready and
Speaker 5: able to help you.
Speaker 3: With your needs. Like I'll be honest, I can't remember
Speaker 3: the last.
Speaker 5: Time I petitioned or did an actual ritual to the
Speaker 5: gods for anything, like periodically when I feel the call
Speaker 5: all quote unquote pray and give like a nod if
Speaker 5: I felt something came through from them.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean people reach out.
Speaker 5: I would say for the day, for the dailies, or
Speaker 5: you need help from the other side, You're going to
Speaker 5: reach out to your ancestors.
Speaker 1: Can a female spirit become a valkyrie on the other
Speaker 1: side or valkyriees? Just they are what they are, They're
Speaker 1: created that way. It's not like that. I only asked
Speaker 1: that because you said something about men being able to
Speaker 1: come elves or ale olves or whatever. So it's like,
Speaker 1: so could is that also within the realm of possibility?
Speaker 5: So okay, So the men becoming olves, that is highly contested, Okay,
Speaker 5: I only mentioned I only mentioned that as it's something
Speaker 5: that is talked about in what could loosely be.
Speaker 3: Called the Germanic pagan apologetics.
Speaker 2: Got you.
Speaker 5: As far as women becoming valkyries. For everything I have read.
Speaker 3: And I am far from an expert, sure those seem
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 5: Lesser goddesses, so not not not made god, not like
Speaker 5: a woman dies and becomes a valkyrie.
Speaker 3: So because I mean.
Speaker 5: Also, like realistically, even though we know there were female warriors,
Speaker 5: the small percentage, but they were there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't ever.
Speaker 5: Hear stories about female warriors going to Valhalla and the
Speaker 5: valkyries while they are the choosers of the slain slain
Speaker 5: all due respect.
Speaker 3: Ladies looking up, I gotta I gotta throw that out there.
Speaker 3: They are kind of the mead.
Speaker 5: Wenches of Valhalla, like they're the ones serving the meat,
Speaker 5: giving all the meat and servicing the feasts that happened there.
Speaker 1: I will say there's probably exceptions to that rule, like
Speaker 1: like Boudica I would think is probably partying in Valhalla,
Speaker 1: not serving in Valhalla, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: there's got to be those exceptions. Like you said, you
Speaker 1: got to give the credence to it. But okay, so
Speaker 1: according to most of.
Speaker 5: The literal I'm not taking anything away from the badass females.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying is as far as anything talked about
Speaker 5: as far.
Speaker 3: As warriors in.
Speaker 5: European history that would have been deemed worthy of valhalla,
Speaker 5: because obviously that happens when we die, we don't know
Speaker 5: who's actually where, gotcha? I have read anything about a
Speaker 5: female warrior.
Speaker 3: But also the part to that.
Speaker 5: Another thing that makes things extremely difficul is the ancient
Speaker 5: Pagans of Europe, just like the Celts, they passed everything
Speaker 5: down orally, sure.
Speaker 3: We don't.
Speaker 5: We get the pros at A and the poetic at
Speaker 5: A from Snorri Storlsin and he wrote that in I
Speaker 5: want to believe, I want to say eleven hundred ish,
Speaker 5: maybe twelve hundred.
Speaker 2: I know it was before thirteen for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and that was it was after Iceland had
Speaker 5: already been Christian for about one hundred years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then so you'll hear something, is that the Icelandic sagas,
Speaker 1: that's the pros and poeta or poetic or is that
Speaker 1: is the Icelandic saga.
Speaker 2: Is a completely different thing altogether.
Speaker 1: I've heard that term be thrown out, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's like an all encompassing term for both
Speaker 1: or if that's a whole extra thing with it.
Speaker 2: I'm not. You know.
Speaker 1: At one point I had the Grim Frost, really nice
Speaker 1: book that had all the gorgeous illae strations and the
Speaker 1: stories of all of these things. I have since passed
Speaker 1: it on to a dear friend who is also a
Speaker 1: Nordic pagan and thought they would appreciate a lot more
Speaker 1: than I would. But yeah, they went into it a
Speaker 1: good bit and it was kind of the combination of
Speaker 1: the pros and poetic to make the storyline of the
Speaker 1: Grim Frost book.
Speaker 2: Of the pagan gods and stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: But I don't know the intricacies of it all.
Speaker 5: So I have personally never read the Icelandic sagas.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that is different, gotcha.
Speaker 5: So it could be the same thing in a different
Speaker 5: in a slightly different setup, slightly different version, because like,
Speaker 5: for instance, where Balder dies, there's two main miss right,
Speaker 5: there's the one everybody knows with the missile tup or
Speaker 5: with the hand without about miss about Loki with the
Speaker 5: missiletoe and his blind brother Balder. But there's also another
Speaker 5: version of the myth where Loki doesn't have.
Speaker 3: Anything to do with it.
Speaker 5: Balder Balder and his Balder and his blind brother Holdor
Speaker 5: fought over the right to marry Nana and Balder. Balder
Speaker 5: killed him in that fight. So there's two different The
Speaker 5: one with Loki is the most popular, and I honestly
Speaker 5: think the reason it is most it is the most
Speaker 5: popular is because it's the one that depicts that closest
Speaker 5: lee depicts Loki as the devil, and that.
Speaker 2: Is so unfair. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: I have done with the digging that I have done
Speaker 1: into Norse paganism and all of these things.
Speaker 2: Yo, Loki is very rarely the bad guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got some he's got some mischief with him,
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, But typically he is put to task
Speaker 1: by others and then gets blamed for things after the fact.
Speaker 3: So I will.
Speaker 5: So what I have come to my understanding of Loki
Speaker 5: as a being is he is the epitome of knowledge
Speaker 5: without wisdom.
Speaker 2: I like that, you yes, Okay?
Speaker 5: So where Odin is wisdom and Odin and Loki are
Speaker 5: blood brothers, it's not Thor and Loki are not brothers.
Speaker 3: Like the way it's depicted in Marble.
Speaker 5: Loki makes a lot of bad decisions and he pays
Speaker 5: the consequences for them.
Speaker 3: Now, it can.
Speaker 5: Also be said that if Loki didn't make these bad decisions,
Speaker 5: the gods wouldn't have gotten wouldn't have grown right, right.
Speaker 3: So it's it's why I say there is no.
Speaker 5: Absolute good and evil in paganism, you know. And like
Speaker 5: while you know, and another thing talking on the sin is,
Speaker 5: while we don't necessarily have any historical records of any
Speaker 5: buddy worshiping the yolknar the giants, right, there's people now
Speaker 5: that do.
Speaker 1: Oh, of course there are there's people that worship demons.
Speaker 1: Of course there's good. There's gotta be those people out.
Speaker 2: There, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and so here's my argument to the people that say,
Speaker 5: uh oh, that didn't happen. Okay, cut and dry, simplistic argument.
Speaker 5: If the gods are good and the Yotan's are bad,
Speaker 5: if you are telling me that there is nobody that
Speaker 5: worshiped and venerated the bad side of that fence, my
Speaker 5: ancestors would have been the only people that didn't have
Speaker 5: that problem in all of human religious history.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 5: Believe that that doesn't make sense, That doesn't pass the
Speaker 5: smell test.
Speaker 3: Now, I can understand why it wouldn't have been documented, sure,
Speaker 3: but so's it's it's just one of those.
Speaker 5: It's just one of those gray areas. I completely forgot
Speaker 5: where I was going with that.
Speaker 3: I got on attended.
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm glad you did. I've thoroughly enjoyed the
Speaker 1: tangent man. Although I do like that you said the
Speaker 1: term a Germanic apologist earlier.
Speaker 2: That's a term that we don't really hear much ever.
Speaker 1: But speaking on apologist, Tony, you are an Eastern Orthodox Christian.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 4: No, No, it might surprise you, but no, I'm I'm
Speaker 4: a fourth degree Knight of Columbus Roman Catholic.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. I do remember you mentioned that
Speaker 1: in a chat. So you are also a night same
Speaker 1: as I am, but of a different of a different order.
Speaker 2: So I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I guess I thought that because you're pro Russian in
Speaker 1: so many ways, for some reason, I thought you were
Speaker 1: siding with the Russian Orthodox Church. My apologies if I
Speaker 1: like mislabeled you, brother, It was not intentional.
Speaker 2: I just kind of put that.
Speaker 4: I don't take it as an insult at all. In fact,
Speaker 4: you know, I got plenty of respect for East Orthodox
Speaker 4: and I know a guy there was a guy who
Speaker 4: used to be a night of Columbus with me, and
Speaker 4: he actually converted to Russian Orthodox earlier this year, to
Speaker 4: the chagrin of our Grand Night, and it was kind
Speaker 4: of a surprise to me too. But there's a lot
Speaker 4: of young men go in that direction because it's perceived
Speaker 4: as being more masculine than the other main American Christian denominations.
Speaker 4: You might have seen the same thing. I've seen articles
Speaker 4: on it. Especially the most right wing young men tend
Speaker 4: to go to Russian Orthodox.
Speaker 1: It's strange to me, and it's not because of anything
Speaker 1: negative by any means. It's just as far as a religion,
Speaker 1: especially in today's modern era, right for somebody to go
Speaker 1: into a religion that's based in traditions and structure and
Speaker 1: order and all these things. The Catholic Church is usually
Speaker 1: the one that stands out among the crowd, dude. The
Speaker 1: Russian and Eastern Orthodox Church has rules within rules on
Speaker 1: top of rules. So I have a brother knight of
Speaker 1: my order who is a Russian Orthodox Christians. So we
Speaker 1: accept all Christians of every faith as long as you
Speaker 1: are in fact a Christian. And then we also have
Speaker 1: some Jewish members of a like tangential order, but we
Speaker 1: still accept them among our ranks.
Speaker 2: It's they're the order of merit. And actually a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, our in our priory in New Orleans, we
Speaker 2: have one Jewish member. I love him to death. He's
Speaker 2: an amazing guy. He's a doctor.
Speaker 1: But they we accept all types of Christians. And so
Speaker 1: I was talking to this guy. He is coming up
Speaker 1: there in age, and by coming up in age, I
Speaker 1: mean he's almost forty and he is a lay person
Speaker 1: within the church or or something. I forget to what
Speaker 1: level or to what degree he's like a.
Speaker 2: A member of this faith.
Speaker 1: He has gone through the classes and he's like, I
Speaker 1: guess their version of like a seminary or something like that. Essentially,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get married before he's forty, he's basically
Speaker 1: doomed to a vow of chastity per their religious dogma.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, bruh, big dog, were you talking about here?
Speaker 1: And he's yeah, yeah, I'm I'm like really looking for
Speaker 1: a wife right now, and he's not looking at one
Speaker 1: for Like, this guy is just one of the genuinely
Speaker 1: most amazing dudes I've ever met. Like any woman would
Speaker 1: be lucky to marry him. Honestly, he really is a catch.
Speaker 1: But I didn't realize there was that type of a
Speaker 1: fire under his ass to do this bro like a
Speaker 1: real lifetime crunch. And I haven't heard of many Christian
Speaker 1: religions that do such things.
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, I think I've heard a similar thing. I
Speaker 4: didn't realize it was a age forty age limit. I
Speaker 4: thought it was that you could be married when you
Speaker 4: got in, but then if your wife died, you couldn't
Speaker 4: get remarried. And the Catholic Church has a similar rule
Speaker 4: on that for deacons. And I think in the Catholic Church,
Speaker 4: priests used to be allowed to get married like a
Speaker 4: thousand years ago or something that was a long time ago.
Speaker 4: But then they got rid of that because there was
Speaker 4: issues with inheritance, and I guess, you know, the church wanted,
Speaker 4: you know, no competition from the wives in terms of inheritance.
Speaker 2: I get that that was part of it. What was
Speaker 2: that pope that had like six kids?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, There's been many sexually active popes. There is
Speaker 4: a list of them in Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: Right, But I mean as far as the inheritance goes,
Speaker 1: especially all right, why the Catholic priests or priests in
Speaker 1: general were seen to they need to take wives. I
Speaker 1: think they also took their cues off of the Jewish tradition,
Speaker 1: like you can't be a rabbi unless you're married, and
Speaker 1: so I think they kind of took that cue, which,
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, kind of makes sense to me. How
Speaker 1: are you going to minister to a married couple dealing
Speaker 1: with marital disputes if you've never been married and actually
Speaker 1: have no practical application as to what can help them
Speaker 1: other than what.
Speaker 2: You read somewhere. So like I get on paper, that
Speaker 2: makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: And then equally on paper, why especially the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look back, I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people throw shade at the Catholic Church.
Speaker 2: I am not going to do that here.
Speaker 1: But when you get to that level of power in
Speaker 1: the Middle Ages, right, you would have a priest that
Speaker 1: would want to pass things down to their heirs if
Speaker 1: they were married and had children, so as a way
Speaker 1: to alleviate that, they take vowels of chastity, and that
Speaker 1: also weeds out the ones that are in it for
Speaker 1: their own means or in it for at least on paper,
Speaker 1: the correct reasons.
Speaker 2: And so like I get it.
Speaker 1: I might disagree with it, but I understand why they
Speaker 1: would do that. But if I'm not mistaken, didn't the
Speaker 1: Catholic Church just make an exception to this rule? Well,
Speaker 1: you have to get like special permissions from your archdiocese
Speaker 1: and all these things to do it. We had a
Speaker 1: priest in Louisiana and well, he was a deacon, he
Speaker 1: was he was married, his wife did die, he has children.
Speaker 1: But then he went to seminary school and he had
Speaker 1: to get all these special permissions and stuff. And if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, they were about to allow him to actually.
Speaker 2: Have a parish.
Speaker 1: But again, like it had to go through the proper
Speaker 1: channels in the chain of commands, things and stuff. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if they if that's only for deacons
Speaker 1: or what have you heard if they've made exceptions to
Speaker 1: the rules with that.
Speaker 4: The only one that comes to mind is the Anglican
Speaker 4: ordinari It. I don't know what the word ordinary it means,
Speaker 4: but basically, a bunch of Anglican churches decided to join
Speaker 4: the Catholic Church in twenty twelve, and if the priests
Speaker 4: were married, they were allowed to remain married and they
Speaker 4: would be fully Catholic.
Speaker 2: Hm. I wow, yeah.
Speaker 4: That's a real thing. In fact, I go, yeah, my wife.
Speaker 4: It is mostly due to my wife, but we actually
Speaker 4: go to an Anglican ordinary it Catholic church that's like
Speaker 4: seven miles from our house, even though there's like three
Speaker 4: other ones closer, and I really like it, and there's
Speaker 4: more kids there than most other Catholic churches I've ever
Speaker 4: been to, So we're big fans of it.
Speaker 2: So I have a member of my order. He's actually
Speaker 2: our chaplain.
Speaker 1: He is a a Anglican priest and he is married
Speaker 1: as well, but he's an Anglican Catholic, not a you know,
Speaker 1: Roman Catholic.
Speaker 2: He's very clear about this distinction.
Speaker 1: So going and you're born and raised Roman Catholic and
Speaker 1: you're going to an Anglican. Now do you see any
Speaker 1: differences as far as the.
Speaker 4: Mass, Well, this really is Roman Catholic. So they used
Speaker 4: to be Anglican and then they joined the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4: I think the position of the Anglican Church officially today
Speaker 4: is they never left. But it's weird. So like a
Speaker 4: few of them, a few of these parishes, I don't
Speaker 4: know what the percentage is on it, but they actually
Speaker 4: decided to really pursue becoming recognized by the Roman Catholic Church.
Speaker 4: As legitimate priests and everything, and the Roman Catholic Church
Speaker 4: did grant that to a number of them, but not
Speaker 4: all of them. So according to the Catholic Church, they're
Speaker 4: not all Catholic, gotcha. But yeah, but the Anglican ordinary
Speaker 4: ones are recognized as fully Roman Catholic and they can
Speaker 4: be married and still priests. So I forgot what The
Speaker 4: second question you had was.
Speaker 1: If there was any difference that you'd seen on your end,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. You answered it basically, they are Anglican ordinary. However,
Speaker 1: they are within the fold of the Roman Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: so their mass proceeds in a Roman Catholic way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a few words that are different. So in
Speaker 4: the nice Seene Creed, instead of saying who is spoken
Speaker 4: by the prophets, the words are who spake by the
Speaker 4: prophets and it is it is kind of weird. Instead
Speaker 4: of saying consubstantial, they say in one in substance or something.
Speaker 4: There's a few words that are different. So if I
Speaker 4: ever go back to a Novus Ordo parish, you know,
Speaker 4: those few words always throw me off a little bit. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's there's a few little differences.
Speaker 1: Is your knights templar not nice similar, Sorry, is your
Speaker 1: Knights of column? Do y'all call them chapters or.
Speaker 4: Their councils councils? Yeah, there's eighteen thousand councils roughly in
Speaker 4: the world. Sign is Council one three, three sixty three.
Speaker 4: It started in two thousand and three. And this council
Speaker 4: belongs to the Anglican Ordinari of Dallas Fort Worth.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask if it's a part of
Speaker 1: the church and go to a traditional quote unquote Roman Catholic.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It is different from most of the other diocesan
Speaker 4: or parish based councils out there, and we have a
Speaker 4: different bishop from them, and it creates, you know, political
Speaker 4: friction and stuff sometimes, and I'm lucky that I don't
Speaker 4: have to deal with that. But our Grand Night he
Speaker 4: does complain a lot.
Speaker 2: How long have you been a member?
Speaker 4: Only for like two years. They just asked me, hey, hey,
Speaker 4: come on and join, and I didn't really have a
Speaker 4: great reason why not, so I did. And now I'm
Speaker 4: I'm actually financial secretary of it. And we got like
Speaker 4: seventy or eighty members, and yeah, it's a pretty good
Speaker 4: good deal mostly, you know, one of the reasons I
Speaker 4: never joined as a younger guy is that they're mostly
Speaker 4: really old guys in age is like seventy seventy five.
Speaker 2: But oh, I am the kid of this crew. Dog,
Speaker 2: I feel you one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But at this church, I'm more like closer to
Speaker 4: the median age, and I'm I'm thirty six, So you
Speaker 4: know it's it's good.
Speaker 1: Would you be interested in joining another group of knighthood
Speaker 1: just curious another council? No, No, an entirely different order.
Speaker 1: You could have both at the same time. But this
Speaker 1: knighthood is recognized by the UN.
Speaker 4: I have not looked into it. Are you talking about
Speaker 4: my order you're in?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And the Texas group that we have is actually very
Speaker 1: large and actually speaking Dallas, I have a couple of
Speaker 1: brothers that I could put you in contact with ancestors.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it's called the Sovereign Milli
Speaker 1: Terry Order of the Temple of Jerusalem s M O
Speaker 1: t J. That's the American branch of it, our international headquarters.
Speaker 2: I think. Is is it based in.
Speaker 1: Paris still or do they just move to Portugal? There
Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago they just moved it, I.
Speaker 2: Think, But Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the international orders acronyms.
Speaker 2: Is O S M T H.
Speaker 1: It's it's Latin and I'm not going to even try
Speaker 1: to pronounce that H word. It's it's long, and I
Speaker 1: don't speak Latin, but yeah, it's I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just have a feeling that you would probably enjoy it.
Speaker 1: If not, if like, what you're doing with the Knights
Speaker 1: of Columbus is time consuming as you're an officer, so
Speaker 1: I can imagine you know, no big deal, but I
Speaker 1: would I would be interested to see what you think
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll remember that. I gotta say it out loud.
Speaker 4: O s N T H.
Speaker 2: Look up the American version s M O t J s.
Speaker 4: M O t J.
Speaker 2: Okay, I will actually have your number.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll do that. Yeah. One other thing. I did
Speaker 4: not know this when I joined the Knights. Should have known,
Speaker 4: but I may have accidentally prevented myself from ever being
Speaker 4: able to travel to Russia because Russia considers the Knights
Speaker 4: of Columbus to be some kind of hostile foreign intelligence service.
Speaker 2: No, it's true.
Speaker 4: What it's because, uh, well, Knights of Columbus they're mostly
Speaker 4: in US, Canada, Mexico, and Philippines. Sure, but starting after
Speaker 4: like two thousand and five or something, we got council
Speaker 4: numbers in Poland and Ukraine now and yeah, in Ukraine,
Speaker 4: especially in the western part, a lot of that used
Speaker 4: to be Poland. And in fact, the main archbishop for
Speaker 4: the Ukrainian councils when you when you when you read,
Speaker 4: he's actually Polish. Yeah, but yeah, there there there are
Speaker 4: a few Ukrainian ones too, and of course there's none.
Speaker 4: There are no councils in Russia, and they consider us.
Speaker 4: I did not know this when I joined, but you know,
Speaker 4: hopefully things will work out peacefully over there a decade
Speaker 4: from now or something, and maybe I can go there someday.
Speaker 1: How does Russia view Roman Catholicism. I know they're down
Speaker 1: with the Russian Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox and all that,
Speaker 1: but how are they How do they feel about the
Speaker 1: Vatic Not necessarily this current pope. But you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know more about Russian culture than I do,
Speaker 1: by leaps and bounds. Do typical Russian people have like
Speaker 1: issues with the Roman Catholic.
Speaker 4: Faith a little bit? Yeah, So Poland is very Catholic,
Speaker 4: and Poland is one of Russia's biggest historic enemies.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 4: And also well not like Napoleon wasn't very Catholic, but
Speaker 4: the Napoleon's War against Russia really, you know, drew a
Speaker 4: lot from Western Europe, and Russia is very paranoid about
Speaker 4: Western Europe and the Catholic Churgia. I wish I knew,
Speaker 4: you know, deeper back in history before the sixteen hundreds,
Speaker 4: but Poland invaded and conquered Moscow for two years and
Speaker 4: sixteen nine to sixteen eleven, I think, and there had
Speaker 4: been even historic conflict before that. So Russia, yeah, doesn't
Speaker 4: really like Western Europe, doesn't really like the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, speaking of Napoleon, And I know, yesterday was
Speaker 4: Christmas in Russia because they did not adopt the Gregorian
Speaker 4: calendar a thousand years ago, so their calendar was like
Speaker 4: twelve days off. And also that day is celebrated as
Speaker 4: the victory Day against Napoleon, where you know, he brought
Speaker 4: about six hundred thousand troops into Russia, only about half
Speaker 4: of them were French, but that was about the time
Speaker 4: they kicked them out. So it's a dual big holiday
Speaker 4: over there on January seventh, and it's just a big
Speaker 4: part of the reason they don't. They're very suspicious of
Speaker 4: Western Europe and the other big wars that they had
Speaker 4: were the Great Northern War with the King of Sweden
Speaker 4: in about seventeen oh three to seventeen ten, I want
Speaker 4: to say, and then of course napoleon first decade of
Speaker 4: the eighteen hundreds, and then the World Wars of course,
Speaker 4: especially Hitler so and they kind of, you know, jumble
Speaker 4: up all the Western Europeans as one big group in
Speaker 4: their heads. They know there's distinctions, Yeah, but it's like
Speaker 4: they don't just blame Germany for World War Two. There
Speaker 4: were Hungarian and Romanian and plenty of other non German
Speaker 4: troops invading Russia. And World War Two there were plenty
Speaker 4: of non French troops invading and Napoleon's army, and yeah,
Speaker 4: they're just they overall feel like, why does the West
Speaker 4: hate us and look us look down on us so much?
Speaker 4: We just basically got to always be suspicious of them.
Speaker 4: And the Catholic Church falls into that bucket too.
Speaker 2: Also of Napoleon.
Speaker 1: He's the only reason why I'm my Order of Knighthood exists,
Speaker 1: come to find out. So, yeah, I didn't know that
Speaker 1: I found that out later on if you look back
Speaker 1: in the histories in the seventeen hundreds when because we
Speaker 1: are a modern group of Templars, not some secret society thereof,
Speaker 1: we hold true to the original values of the Templars
Speaker 1: as far as Christian charity and trying to maintain a
Speaker 1: Christian presence in the Holy Land is at all times,
Speaker 1: like twenty four to seven. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: this spring there's an excavation being done on one of
Speaker 1: our guys got like the exclusive rights to dig at
Speaker 1: a newly discovered templar outpost from I want to say
Speaker 1: it was like the Second Crusade, so really excited about that.
Speaker 2: But we fund a couple of hospitals, a couple of schools.
Speaker 1: There's you know, scholarship programs that you can do to
Speaker 1: put to help Christian families put children in school, because
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand that, like Israel really
Speaker 1: doesn't like Christians all, especially not in Jerusalem. People would
Speaker 1: think that they're pretty widely accepted as like brethren, not
Speaker 1: even a little bit. They're seen more like social pariahs
Speaker 1: by most of the nation. So we actually the resources
Speaker 1: that we send them actually does go to good uses.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, off tangent on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently Napoleon whenever, because the Knights Templar were ousted
Speaker 1: in such a grandiose way by the Pope and the
Speaker 1: King of France. Napoleon when he took over, took away
Speaker 1: a lot of the edicts that the French monarchy put
Speaker 1: in place, one of them being orders of knighthood, are
Speaker 1: now accepted because you know, he was all about empirical things,
Speaker 1: not monarchical things, and.
Speaker 2: That whole shabam.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's the history of it is actually pretty
Speaker 1: rich and fascinating.
Speaker 2: But Anthony, your hand is raised.
Speaker 5: Hey, So being a pagan, got a question if jew,
Speaker 5: if Jews don't like Christian why is there such a
Speaker 5: such a Christian support for the Jews, because like they
Speaker 5: killed your Messiah.
Speaker 2: Oh we're going deep on this one.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well it doesn't make sense to me at all.
Speaker 4: It really depends what group of Christians you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, you look at it this way, bro
Speaker 1: King Richard the Lionheart, Okay, this bastion of Christian Protestantism
Speaker 1: and all these things. And actually he was a Catholic Mystacond,
Speaker 1: but he led a crusade he was, actually he was
Speaker 1: the King of England, but was barely in England because
Speaker 1: he kept crusading and shit. Right, So when he took
Speaker 1: the throne, his first order of business was to like
Speaker 1: slaughter two thousand Jews in London. And the reason for
Speaker 1: that actually is also convoluted as hell, but it furthers
Speaker 1: your point. There was rules in England that the Jews
Speaker 1: could not go into the royal court or they weren't
Speaker 1: allowed to go to the specific area. And whenever he
Speaker 1: took the throne, they had a couple members of the.
Speaker 2: More well to do.
Speaker 1: Jewish society in England that came to bring gifts to him,
Speaker 1: and the guards stopped them and if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: did some damage to.
Speaker 2: Them, as like how dare you even do this?
Speaker 1: And the local inhabitants saw them doing this and kind
Speaker 1: of went on a rampage and next thing you know,
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of a pogram or early pogram,
Speaker 1: and then Richard like kind of it was like a
Speaker 1: victory lap. It was like a warm up round for them,
Speaker 1: and then they went and did some heinous things to
Speaker 1: the Islamic and Jewish people of the area when they
Speaker 1: got there. So Okay, to further your point, we as Christians,
Speaker 1: and again it really depends on which group of Christians
Speaker 1: you're talking to, which time and era you're talking about, and.
Speaker 2: Which country we are speaking about.
Speaker 1: In America today, the vast majority of people who are
Speaker 1: a Christian who also have a die hard support of
Speaker 1: Israel would be the Evangelicals more than the other denominations,
Speaker 1: I would think.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: A lot of that is because of political reasons, but.
Speaker 1: They will also mention in time prophetic messages as a
Speaker 1: reason why we need to protect Israel at all costs,
Speaker 1: because Jesus can't come back until the nation of Israel
Speaker 1: is one nation again, right, And so that narrative has
Speaker 1: been kind of thrown out and drug through and it's
Speaker 1: been on repeat. Then you also look at it at
Speaker 1: the fact of the same way that the Muslims view
Speaker 1: Jews as like, well, now, I was about to get
Speaker 1: dangerous on that one. The Abrahamic faith all stems from Abraham, right,
Speaker 1: and so his two sons. There's a certain group that
Speaker 1: believes that they're the descendants of this son, and then
Speaker 1: there's these two groups that see that they are the
Speaker 1: descendants of this other son. Right, Jacob, who later changed
Speaker 1: his name to Israel, and his twelve sons that broke
Speaker 1: up into the twelve tribes of Israel.
Speaker 2: Well, eleven of them inherited the land.
Speaker 1: The tribe of Dan was kicked out and they're not
Speaker 1: going to come back to the end times. And then
Speaker 1: the tribe of Levi, his son Levi became the Levite priests,
Speaker 1: and they didn't actually inherit any land. So the nation
Speaker 1: of Israel was broken up into ten quadrants of land
Speaker 1: ran by ten tribes, all descendants of these sons. The
Speaker 1: Muslims believe because of Mohammad, that they are the descendants
Speaker 1: of the other son and that they are the rightful
Speaker 1: inheritors of that land, even though within the Qur'an it
Speaker 1: clearly says that the sons of Israel are supposed to
Speaker 1: inherit that land, but they don't want to talk about
Speaker 1: that whatever. But all that to say, Christians view Jews
Speaker 1: or Judaism, I should say as the precursor. It's like
Speaker 1: where it's what the Old Testament is. Jesus came not
Speaker 1: to take away the old laws, but to fulfill the
Speaker 1: old laws, and that was a big thing that Jesus
Speaker 1: talked about.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, when he.
Speaker 1: Criticized the Pharisees, and he even said, you tie the
Speaker 1: tenth out of your spice gardens, but you deny the
Speaker 1: poor down your street. What he was saying is, yes,
Speaker 1: you are correct by your laws, but you're still not
Speaker 1: right because the reason for that law is so that
Speaker 1: the poor can eat. That the whole rule of tithe
Speaker 1: side tangent on that the reason why tithe is a rule.
Speaker 2: It was a tenth.
Speaker 1: A farmer would leave a tenth of his crop unharvested
Speaker 1: for the poor in his community to come and harvest
Speaker 1: for themselves. That was his way of paying his tithe
Speaker 1: from his harvest. And things like that were very above
Speaker 1: Abrahamic law. And then I'm not saying the talmud, I
Speaker 1: mean the law set down by Moses and the law
Speaker 1: set down by the way that the Jews and the
Speaker 1: Hebrews have done business up until the point of Jesus.
Speaker 1: The Pharisees took that and would follow it to the letter,
Speaker 1: but they would also they made it to where there
Speaker 1: was a level of haves and have nots. Jesus was saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're doing this, but you're still not taking care of
Speaker 1: the poor.
Speaker 2: I am here to take care of everybody.
Speaker 1: And so Christians followed the example set forth by Jesus
Speaker 1: and his disciples and the apostle Paul. The Jews follow
Speaker 1: the examples set forth by Moses and Abraham and then
Speaker 1: the writers of the Talmudic texts.
Speaker 2: So Christians see.
Speaker 1: Them as kind of like our second cousins, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and not necessarily fondly, but not necessarily
Speaker 1: hateful either. But again, it depends on which group you're
Speaker 1: talking to. Right, the Klan sees themselves as a Christian
Speaker 1: order and they hate the Jews. Meanwhile, you have Messianic
Speaker 1: Jews who are Jewish by descent and by religion, who
Speaker 1: also acknowledge that Jesus is their Messiah, and they had
Speaker 1: this whole other brand of what they would call Messianic Judaism.
Speaker 2: I would call more Jewish Christianity.
Speaker 1: So it really depends on why and what group you're
Speaker 1: talking to and about. In our modern era, I would
Speaker 1: say that it is way more politically based than religiously dogmatic.
Speaker 1: But I feel like they're using one to enhance the other,
Speaker 1: and vice versa. If that makes sense. Tony feel free
Speaker 1: to chime in here and and give your two cents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree with pretty much everything you said.
Speaker 4: I think you got a little bit about Abraham's genealogy
Speaker 4: a little office. Maybe it makes the two up Ishmael,
Speaker 4: which became the Arabs and Isaac, and Isaac had twelve
Speaker 4: sons became the twelve tribes of Israel, including wait.
Speaker 2: Was it Isaaca, had Esa, Jajacob Jacob.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's another generation bad. Yes, yeah, it's my bad too.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's some of the ancient beliefs there. So
Speaker 4: it said that the descendants of Abraham would inherit the
Speaker 4: territory from the Nile to the Euphrates, and that's pretty
Speaker 4: much what happened. But there's some people in Israel who
Speaker 4: believe in this greater Israel idea where they think Israel
Speaker 4: will be all that territory and that's like twenty times
Speaker 4: bigger than Israel already is.
Speaker 1: Now, Dude, I saw a picture of that map recently.
Speaker 1: I had never heard that before until like two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Somebody was like, if you look at the true map
Speaker 1: of what the original Israelites believed their land was, it's
Speaker 1: like half of Saudi Arabia into Egypt up to it's
Speaker 1: a wild track of land.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's huge, isn't it. Yeah, I've seen it. It
Speaker 4: seems kind of unre realistic. I don't think they'll ever
Speaker 4: get that much now. But yeah, the Twelve Tribes, I
Speaker 4: was looking into this a little month ago. Before the
Speaker 4: Assyrian conquest, they owned pretty much all of what's now
Speaker 4: Israel except for the Gaza Strip and Ashkalan and Ashdod,
Speaker 4: which are close to Gaza. But in addition to what
Speaker 4: they have now, they had the entire West Bank, and
Speaker 4: they had an equivalent sized chunk of territory to the
Speaker 4: east of the Jordan River in what is now Jordan,
Speaker 4: which is currently like way off limits to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, historical Israel was way smaller than this greater
Speaker 4: Israel idea from the Nile to the Euphrates that some
Speaker 4: of them have now. And hopefully, you know, they piped
Speaker 4: down and can establish some permanent borders and finally have
Speaker 4: some peace there within the next couple of decades. That's
Speaker 4: my hope.
Speaker 2: Agreed. I also go ahead.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, yeah, just for like, who supports you know,
Speaker 4: Israel most why. I think there's a few reasons. There's
Speaker 4: this Protestant idea that it's mostly American Protestants who do.
Speaker 4: The Catholic Church is kind of more neutral on them.
Speaker 4: In fact, they didn't The Catholic Church didn't have an
Speaker 4: embassy in Israel un til nineteen ninety. But then again,
Speaker 4: they still have an embassy in Taiwan, and they recognize
Speaker 4: Taiwan as independent, so they move a little slower than
Speaker 4: any other country in terms of politics.
Speaker 2: Do you see Taiwan as independent? The way you said
Speaker 2: that has to make me question it personally.
Speaker 4: No is a short answer.
Speaker 1: But really I call China East Taiwan or West Taiwan
Speaker 1: at this.
Speaker 2: Point, I love it.
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm taking that from habitual line cross or he's
Speaker 1: a dude on YouTube who's hilarious and he's in China.
Speaker 1: By calling them West Taiwan, I think it's hilarious.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think in general, I'm in favor of self
Speaker 4: determination of these territories, including Taiwan, Hong Kong, shin Jiug, Tibet.
Speaker 4: But China's their people have this real phobia of being divided,
Speaker 4: and that's why they accept. Okay, I guess we're going
Speaker 4: to be one country and communist or just whatever whatever
Speaker 4: communism means. That they just they really want to be
Speaker 4: unified because they're really afraid of being conquered by Mongolians
Speaker 4: or Japanese or Westerners.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: And you know, actually my wife's family, her dad was
Speaker 4: born in Taiwan, and you know, I would never say
Speaker 4: tell him that. Oh yeah, but yeah that they're they're
Speaker 4: really uh yeah, he's he's from that Quoman tongue branch.
Speaker 4: And yeah, they really don't like the Chai cooms.
Speaker 2: All right, So back to the whole Israel situation.
Speaker 4: Sorry side, oh uh, actually, I think I might be
Speaker 4: a little done with that, but I had a question
Speaker 4: for Anthony. Well, actually I already asked it. It's about
Speaker 4: the ancestor worship, but I just wanted to emphasize this
Speaker 4: point because I read a great article called bring out
Speaker 4: your Dad dot Com a couple of years ago that
Speaker 4: talked about how ancestor worship was so common in the
Speaker 4: pagan world, in the Roman world, the Germanic world, and
Speaker 4: in East Asia and the Catholic Church, even though they're
Speaker 4: considered like the ancestor worshiping uh denomination of Christianity. Now,
Speaker 4: a thousand years ago, they they went on a rampage
Speaker 4: trying to crush ancestor worship in Europe, and they.
Speaker 2: Because they're seeing because of the saints.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're seemed that way because of the saints. Now,
Speaker 4: I mean there's veneration of saints when people ask saints
Speaker 4: for intercession. People some people even ask their their you know,
Speaker 4: de seize great grandparents for intercession. And that's how people
Speaker 4: become saints. It's because if people ask for their intercession
Speaker 4: and then it's perceived that a miracle happened as a
Speaker 4: result of that, then that person might become a saint.
Speaker 4: So the guy who started the Knights of Columbus, this
Speaker 4: was a guy named Michael mc givney, and he's currently
Speaker 4: a blessed status and if he gets like three miracles
Speaker 4: ascribed to his name, he might become a saint.
Speaker 2: Is mother Teresa Scene as a saint? I thought she
Speaker 2: was canonized, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah pretty recently. Yeah, I don't know, ten years ago
Speaker 4: maybe mm hmmm. Yeah. So yeah, people ask for your
Speaker 4: intercession and then miracles happen and they're perceived to be
Speaker 4: attributed attributable to you, you can become a canonized saint.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's so. And we've also got all Saints
Speaker 4: Day and all Soul's Day. So ancestor worship has kind
Speaker 4: of come back into the Catholic Church. But a thousand
Speaker 4: years ago they were trying to stamp it out because
Speaker 4: it was competition to Christianity or Catholicism, which was kind
Speaker 4: of like the only version of Christianity in Western Europe
Speaker 4: at the time. So they really stamped it out among
Speaker 4: the Germanic and you know, pre Christian Roman world at
Speaker 4: the time. So that's why I was asking the question
Speaker 4: if it's still done. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense that
Speaker 4: it would be.
Speaker 2: So what is your personal belief on that?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the veneration of saints, but asking saints for
Speaker 1: their aid or intercession? Actually, know what better? What is
Speaker 1: your take on Mother Teresa? You're a well read individual.
Speaker 1: You know that it wasn't exactly what we were told
Speaker 1: in the beginning. Now, I'm not asking you to go
Speaker 1: against the Catholic Church with this, but what is your
Speaker 1: personal belief on that.
Speaker 4: I have heard some very negative opinions about her, like
Speaker 4: she was given most of her money just straight to
Speaker 4: the church hierarchy that she raised. If that's true, I
Speaker 4: don't know, screwer, I guess I don't know. I have
Speaker 4: not looked really deeply into it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. What is your take on praying to
Speaker 1: saints or asking for them to intercede in your personal affairs?
Speaker 1: Do you believe this to be something that does or
Speaker 1: do you believe it's something that you do or you
Speaker 1: believe in.
Speaker 4: I should say I guess it's something I do believe
Speaker 4: in it, but I don't really do it super often
Speaker 4: all the time. We say prayers before going to bed
Speaker 4: and before eating, sure, but normally not bringing saints into it.
Speaker 4: Mary is definitely the biggest one. And we got this
Speaker 4: the Rosary for anyone who doesn't know, it's a series
Speaker 4: of prayers with five our fathers and fifty three Hail Mary's.
Speaker 4: And yeah, Mary's pretty big. I feel like Mary's not
Speaker 4: as big for me as she is for many other Catholics.
Speaker 2: And here's man, do you believe Jesus had brothers?
Speaker 4: I think no. I think he had cousins, and that
Speaker 4: the word for brother and cousin were just the same thing.
Speaker 4: I believe that he he was conceived miraculously and that
Speaker 4: he was conceived immaculately, And you know, the story just
Speaker 4: kind of has to go this way. At the same time.
Speaker 4: I can understand why other people would scoff at that
Speaker 4: and go, oh man, he was just a dude, and
Speaker 4: they made up this story later. In fact, I think
Speaker 4: that the whole idea that he was born in Bethlehem
Speaker 4: instead of Nazareth. Nazareth, Yeah, Nazareth, that's the name of it.
Speaker 4: It might it may have just been retconned into the Bible.
Speaker 4: I know, I'm not supposed to say that, you know,
Speaker 4: if I'm reading it with the most critical eye possible.
Speaker 4: You know, there's an Old Testament prophecy about some savior
Speaker 4: coming from Bethlehem, and it's kind of convenient that, oh, well,
Speaker 4: you know, let's just say he was born there. It's
Speaker 4: kind of like people arguing over where Obama was born.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, he might have been born here, he
Speaker 4: might have been born there. It's significant for some reason.
Speaker 1: Dude, I just heard for the first and I was
Speaker 1: raised Roman Catholic up until I was about thirteen or
Speaker 1: fourteen years old, I you know, left the face.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm technically an apostate. I don't know. No,
Speaker 2: I was never confirmed, so I can't be an apostate. Whatever.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I just heard that the belief is that Mary
Speaker 1: was also born of an immaculate conception. I was under
Speaker 1: the impression that Jesus was the only one that had
Speaker 1: that title.
Speaker 2: But this was news to me.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the immaculate conception dogma I think goes back
Speaker 4: to eighteen seventy or something.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Well, actually it does go back way farther than that.
Speaker 4: But it was declared to be universally binding and you
Speaker 4: have to believe it in eighteen seventy. And then there
Speaker 4: was another one. See was the one that it was
Speaker 4: the only other time in history papal infallibility has been invoked.
Speaker 4: It was in nineteen fifty. Maybe that was Immaculate Conception.
Speaker 2: Was that the Vatican two.
Speaker 4: Nineteen fifty, This would be like fourteen years before that. Okay,
Speaker 4: but anyway, yeah, let me tell you about these other
Speaker 4: Marion dogmas in case anyone else is going to be
Speaker 4: interested in it.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said the Marian dogma. Have you ever
Speaker 2: heard of the Marriyists?
Speaker 4: Marius?
Speaker 2: They were a brother order to the Jesuits.
Speaker 1: Although that was the Society of Jesus, the Catholic Church
Speaker 1: at one point in time had the Society of Mary,
Speaker 1: and they were a fascinating subculture of priests and brothers
Speaker 1: and monks and these things.
Speaker 4: Bro uh huh, okay, I'll have to google them. But
Speaker 4: there's this current push among a minority of Catholics, a
Speaker 4: small group of them too. I don't know codify or
Speaker 4: make a mandatory these three two or three New Marian dogmas.
Speaker 4: One is that she is the co Redemptricks and the
Speaker 4: second one is that she is mediatrics of all graces.
Speaker 4: But luckily, in my opinion, these have all just gotten
Speaker 4: kind of shut down, so they're not happening because doesn't
Speaker 4: the Bible say somewhere in the New Testament that Jesus
Speaker 4: is the only mediator? And I mean, passing something like
Speaker 4: this would just really anger the Protestants for no reason
Speaker 4: that I'm kind of.
Speaker 2: Glad As a Protestant that sounds wild to me.
Speaker 4: Well, there's some people pushing for it, and I'm glad
Speaker 4: they're not getting traction.
Speaker 2: With our current pope. Dude, I could see them maybe
Speaker 2: having it.
Speaker 1: He might have an ear for this, He's got some
Speaker 1: different ideas about the future of the church. They may
Speaker 1: actually get an audience with him.
Speaker 4: Honestly, Wow, Well, maybe I haven't seen evidence of it.
Speaker 4: He he seems kind of like Biden to me. He
Speaker 4: just kind of says whatever's on his mind, but he
Speaker 4: gets distracted easily, and like, uh, yeah, I'm not the
Speaker 4: biggest fan of him, but I won't like say super
Speaker 4: negative things about him either.
Speaker 1: To be honest, brother, most American Roman Catholics are not
Speaker 1: a big fan of old Pope Francis. I will say
Speaker 1: I had a lot of hope for him when he
Speaker 1: first took on the position or it was elected to
Speaker 1: the position. Excuse me, because he was such an outlier
Speaker 1: and because he was so different than everything that's been
Speaker 1: done in the past. It almost seemed like this might
Speaker 1: be the revitalization, the rejuvenation of the Catholic faith. And
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, the Catholic faith in America the
Speaker 1: numbers seem to be going down, but around the world
Speaker 1: the numbers seem to be growing. So I mean, it
Speaker 1: was maybe there was something to that, but I'm agreeing
Speaker 1: with you. He seems very Biden slash Obama esque, more
Speaker 1: polling the current cultural feeling and then going off of
Speaker 1: that rather than what and maybe maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: if the Holy Father is telling him to do these things.
Speaker 2: I am of my own beliefs on that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's a little too different and not in
Speaker 1: a positive light, and I think that's kind of the
Speaker 1: going consensus, at least in our culture.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not conservative enough for me. I think that
Speaker 4: the reforms of Vatican Two, the Second Vatican Council in
Speaker 4: like nineteen sixty two to sixty four, were not helpful.
Speaker 4: I really like the Latin language.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, have you ever been to a
Speaker 2: Latin mass dog?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, several back in California, but there's a few in
Speaker 4: the in the Dallas area too. I have not been
Speaker 4: to one yet, but I would be down to go.
Speaker 2: It was a whole different far away.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't mean that negatively. I mean there's like,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm a I'm a fan of the
Speaker 1: Latin language. I think it's beautiful. That's why for the
Speaker 1: longest time I was more into the King James Bible
Speaker 1: because it was the alleged for translation from and I
Speaker 1: think that in that form it's actually more it's poetic, almost.
Speaker 2: But I also understand why.
Speaker 1: People would look more towards the Greek translations of the
Speaker 1: Greek manuscripts, being more of a source, and I I
Speaker 1: would like to get more into the Septuagint and more
Speaker 1: into the the Codex Sinaticus. Which did you see the
Speaker 1: wes Huff Joe Rogan debate, no debate episode.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, Wes I've never even heard of that guy.
Speaker 1: Wes Huff is the guy who just skull dragged Billy
Speaker 1: Carson for all these crazy claims he was making about
Speaker 1: how the Bible said that Jesus never actually was crucified
Speaker 1: and said this, and if you look at the Sinai
Speaker 1: Bible it says this. You look at the Gospel of
Speaker 1: Judas that says this, the Gospel of Barnabas. And he's
Speaker 1: been making these claims in the social media space and
Speaker 1: on podcasts for years now, unchecked, and he didn't fully
Speaker 1: understand that he was about to step up to the
Speaker 1: plate against an actual biblical scholar who doesn't just have
Speaker 1: a doctorate in these things, works with the actual physical
Speaker 1: original manuscripts and transcribes them and does these things. And
Speaker 1: it was embarrassing for Billy Carson. And then he went
Speaker 1: on to file seasoned assist orders against this guy to
Speaker 1: try to keep that podcast from being released. It did
Speaker 1: not work. He tried hitting him with slap lawsuits. The
Speaker 1: guy's Canadian, so I don't think Billy Carson fully understand
Speaker 1: understood what it takes to have an international lawsuit get
Speaker 1: pushed forward. But like you ain't got the pockets deep
Speaker 1: enough and good luck kind of thing. So it's it
Speaker 1: has really shaken up this whole Toath being Atlantean, these
Speaker 1: emerald tablets and that group of people who have been
Speaker 1: looking at Billy Carson as such a source. This has
Speaker 1: thrown a massive wrench in their gears, which does make
Speaker 1: me happy. Not gonna lie, but that guy just went
Speaker 1: on Joe Rogan's podcast and he is He spoke to
Speaker 1: him basically about the original texts written by the original
Speaker 1: eyewitness accounts of the followers of Jesus, and he actually
Speaker 1: brought a thing. Actually, I'm not gonna play the clips,
Speaker 1: it's worth looking into. Right around the like the one
Speaker 1: hour and fifty five minute mark of the episode between
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan and west Huff. But he gives him a
Speaker 1: small like a piece of a manuscript, and on one
Speaker 1: side it is the.
Speaker 2: It's the the section of the Bible.
Speaker 1: I want to say, it's the Book of Matthew possibly
Speaker 1: where it's Poncious Pilot and Jesus having a verbal exchange, right,
Speaker 1: and on one side it's written in Pontious Pilot's speech.
Speaker 2: He says, what is truth?
Speaker 1: Right, and forget what it was, but he was speaking
Speaker 1: to the crowd and he was saying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're saying this, You're saying this, what is the truth
Speaker 1: of it?
Speaker 2: On the backside of it.
Speaker 1: Because the early Christians were the first ones to stop
Speaker 1: writing on scrolls and start actually making books out of things.
Speaker 1: Now there were some scrolls, of course used, but when
Speaker 1: the first Christians started to really compile their literature, they
Speaker 1: were making books.
Speaker 2: Not scrolls.
Speaker 1: And on the flip side of this, it is Jesus's
Speaker 1: speech and he says, I am truth. Now the two
Speaker 1: are not like this was said then this was said.
Speaker 1: They're at different sections of it. But this one fragment
Speaker 1: of this text has it on it and he actually
Speaker 1: made a correct copy of it and gave the Rogan
Speaker 1: as a gift.
Speaker 2: It was fascinating, fascinating interview.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so they now believe that they can the
Speaker 1: Kodak Sinaticus, which is the as we understand it, currently,
Speaker 1: the oldest fully put together book of the Bible, or
Speaker 1: like the entirety of it. And this would have been
Speaker 1: extremely expensive to produce. And the reason why is because
Speaker 1: it's all on lambs skin, and there was like one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six lambs killed for the skin to
Speaker 1: make this book. And the only people that would have
Speaker 1: had the means and the funds and all that to
Speaker 1: order this to be made and to afford for it
Speaker 1: to be made, it would have been the Christians. The
Speaker 1: early Christians were mostly you know, the women in the
Speaker 1: slave population of this area of the world, at least
Speaker 1: that's where it took off in the main in the
Speaker 1: beginning of it anyway, So they believe that Kodex Snantikus
Speaker 1: was actually a book commissioned by Justinian because when he
Speaker 1: was about to make his proclamations or the edicts I
Speaker 1: should say, uh, making Christianity legal and then all these things,
Speaker 1: he wanted to find out what do these Christians actually believe,
Speaker 1: because by the time Justinian came around or Constant I
Speaker 1: should say, they the Gnostics were running around saying wild things.
Speaker 1: This group was running around saying wild things. There was
Speaker 1: these other groups of Messiah followers, not of Jesus but
Speaker 1: of these other types of massias that popped around around
Speaker 1: the turn of the you know, zero AD, and so
Speaker 1: he wanted to know what did the true followers of
Speaker 1: this you know, Christian guy, what do they really believe?
Speaker 1: So he commissioned a series of books to be made.
Speaker 1: We are now of the belief that this was one
Speaker 1: of those books, and the sources that they were deriving
Speaker 1: it from is allegedly three years after the time of
Speaker 1: Jesus death. So we are talking about actual eyewitness accounts
Speaker 1: of his death, his resurrection, walking the earth for forty
Speaker 1: days after that, preaching to the hundreds of people before
Speaker 1: ascending into heaven.
Speaker 2: All of that is now being verified through multiple first
Speaker 2: person eyewitness accounts, and he was talking about it on
Speaker 2: this podcast. It's mind blowing, dude.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to look that up for sure.
Speaker 1: Then it's a three hour pod, but it is worth
Speaker 1: the three hours, bro, especially during the driving that you do.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did hear something about that Billy Carson character.
Speaker 4: You mentioned. This must have happened a month or two ago.
Speaker 2: About a month ago, Yeah, yeah, And I mean he
Speaker 2: just handled it's so poorly.
Speaker 1: He could have just taken the l and been like,
Speaker 1: all right, listen, maybe I'm not as well versed in
Speaker 1: the Bible as I have claimed to be, but I
Speaker 1: still know about the Samerian tablets.
Speaker 2: I still know about this. I still know about this.
Speaker 1: Like he could have done that and just taken that
Speaker 1: L and made it a lowercase L. But my god,
Speaker 1: he did everything in his power to dig a hole
Speaker 1: for himself. And then the homeboy, still as we are
Speaker 1: speaking right now, has not put down the shovel. It's
Speaker 1: it's bad. He's like spiraling. But and that makes me
Speaker 1: really happy.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I do not like him at all.
Speaker 1: But anyway, sorry, you were you were talking to Anthony,
Speaker 1: and you and I got on this whole other tangent
Speaker 1: on this. But Anthony, to circle back to the question
Speaker 1: you asked earlier, did we do a decent job of
Speaker 1: answering why so many Christians in America are so pro Israel?
Speaker 4: You did?
Speaker 5: From from from a Christian perspective, it makes sense. I
Speaker 5: do just have to add that for myspect you know,
Speaker 5: being pagan, night Norse, Pagan, Anglo Saxon pagan. Yeah, we're
Speaker 5: trying to even Odin's trying to avoid Ragnarok at any cost, like.
Speaker 3: That's gonna suck. People are gonna die.
Speaker 5: So the concept of trying to hasten armageddon seems seems dumb.
Speaker 5: But yeah, from the outside looking in, uh no, no
Speaker 5: shade being thrown.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I get it.
Speaker 1: And it's there is a group that is absolutely trying
Speaker 1: to hasten it. I'm not saying that they don't exist,
Speaker 1: but for me, as a Christian, for instance, I am
Speaker 1: super happy that Israel is a nation again, not because
Speaker 1: it will bring about the end times, but because that's
Speaker 1: kind of what has to happen.
Speaker 2: The same way that we don't see Christians don't see the.
Speaker 1: Jews as the quote unquote bad guys, even though they
Speaker 1: are directly responsible for murdering our Lord and Savior. We
Speaker 1: see it as they were supposed to. And Jesus knew that.
Speaker 1: That's why he was so calm about it when he
Speaker 1: went to the to the Last Supper and he told
Speaker 1: his boys, like, yo, this is about to happen. I'm
Speaker 1: about to be killed. He knew that he was born
Speaker 1: to be sacrificed. That was the entire reason for him living.
Speaker 1: We see it as what it has to be this way,
Speaker 1: like it's not fun. It's not fair, but like no
Speaker 1: one said the life was ever going to be fair, right,
Speaker 1: But that's basically, it's not that it's we should keep
Speaker 1: it from happening. It's that it's gonna happen anyway, whether
Speaker 1: we're on board with it or not. But if we
Speaker 1: are supposed to be people of faith and the book
Speaker 1: says that this is going to happen this way, we
Speaker 1: should welcome it as a sign of the times.
Speaker 2: That's at least from my perspective, Tony, your.
Speaker 4: Thoughts, Yeah, I'm going to sound a bit like a
Speaker 4: leftist for a second year, but screw it. I think
Speaker 4: that Zionism, in the understanding of a lot of American
Speaker 4: evangelical primarily white people, is it's the last acceptable form
Speaker 4: of white identitarianism and colonialism. I know that sounds all
Speaker 4: left wing, but you know, white people went through our
Speaker 4: manifest destiny phase to conquer North America and wipe out
Speaker 4: most of the Indians, and there's you know, a massive,
Speaker 4: you know, guilt trip from the left about that now.
Speaker 4: But for some reason, you know, Israel's similar idea of
Speaker 4: manifest destiny that they're successfully implementing right now, and that
Speaker 4: they have been for the past decades.
Speaker 2: Over in Israel from the river to the sea. Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh, it's well, their own version of it
Speaker 4: is a little more sheltered because if you speak too
Speaker 4: negatively about that, you will be called an anti Semite.
Speaker 1: So it's cool again, It's like really cool in the
Speaker 1: popular of zeitgeist to be an anti Semite these days.
Speaker 2: It's wild how they flip flop so fast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I think part of that is that it's
Speaker 4: just been long enough since World War Two that you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of younger adults now they the whole story
Speaker 4: of the Holocaust, which really did happen. It just doesn't
Speaker 4: resonate with them as much. Right and yeah, on the
Speaker 4: far right especially, but i'd say on the mainstream left,
Speaker 4: the criticism of Israel is also a lot more popular,
Speaker 4: especially among non white people.
Speaker 2: Which is wild because most Jews in America are liberal.
Speaker 2: That's so wild to me.
Speaker 4: Uh huh. But you know, even as far back as
Speaker 4: the sixties, like black people, the followers of Malcolm X,
Speaker 4: they were not Israel supporters. They looked at what was
Speaker 4: going on over there. They you know, brown people see
Speaker 4: this as white people beaten up on brown people. Basically,
Speaker 4: but you know, white right wing leaning, and I'm talking
Speaker 4: about mainstream kosher right, not far right, fringe right, yeah,
Speaker 4: which is kind of more like what I am in
Speaker 4: most ways. But in mainstream right wing white Americans, yeah,
Speaker 4: they must feel like they have a right to exist.
Speaker 4: And you know, is Israel, they they they see a
Speaker 4: lot of fraternity with Israel. They think Israel is our
Speaker 4: people and the Muslims over there are not our people.
Speaker 4: And I know, I know it sounds, you know, kind
Speaker 4: of cringe, but Zionism kind of is the last mostly
Speaker 4: politically acceptable form of white colonialism.
Speaker 2: I'll give you that.
Speaker 1: And and to further that point, the oh my god, dude,
Speaker 1: I heard this recently. A lot of people believe that,
Speaker 1: like most Mexicans right, that that that is also some
Speaker 1: form of well, I'm gonna go off one, thank you,
Speaker 1: said Malcolm X earlier. That makes me think of the
Speaker 1: Nation of Islam, which we did a whole episode on
Speaker 1: the cult Conspiracy about their beliefs, which.
Speaker 2: Is absolutely mind blowing.
Speaker 1: What that cult really believes is truth that white people
Speaker 1: were creating six hundred years of forced breeding to create it.
Speaker 2: It's a whole thing, whole thing.
Speaker 1: But in that same regard they believe that Mexican and
Speaker 1: Native American people because they say, well, Mexicans are Native Americans,
Speaker 1: they're Aztecs. And it's like, hmm, do y'all have any
Speaker 1: idea what the Spanish did to the natives to create
Speaker 1: what we now call Mexico. It's like that was their
Speaker 1: own version of manifest destiny, Like real shit, So I
Speaker 1: think you're onto something here, bro for real, Anthony, your
Speaker 1: hand is raised, sir.
Speaker 5: Or no, I my button was act the word. I
Speaker 5: didn't want to just dip out on you. I gotta
Speaker 5: go to bed, I gotta get.
Speaker 3: Up early.
Speaker 5: So I will see you all next week. And if
Speaker 5: you got anything you might want me.
Speaker 3: To freaking talk about next week, shoot.
Speaker 5: Me a message so I can have more than a
Speaker 5: half branded articulate answer.
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good, brother.
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, I think we might
Speaker 1: only go for another like ten or fifteen to be
Speaker 1: honest with you. But yeah, I'm glad you were able
Speaker 1: to stop in with us on this uh this first
Speaker 1: live again. I apologize about the technical difficulties. For some reason,
Speaker 1: my zoom was not acting correctly. Wouldn't let me post
Speaker 1: the link on Patreon, and then the camera that I
Speaker 1: usually use wouldn't sync to my laptop. This is, like
Speaker 1: you said, this is amateur hour up in here, but
Speaker 1: I mean kind of first time flying solo.
Speaker 2: And of course Murphy's law, if it can go wrong,
Speaker 2: it will go wrong.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad we were still able to make it happen, though,
Speaker 1: But thank you for joining us this evening, be Doug.
Speaker 3: Of course, and I will see you next week.
Speaker 2: Brother, Thank you, man, thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, before you go, any chance we could do this earlier,
Speaker 4: like eight pm or just have to be nine Central? Ah?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not really tied to any The only
Speaker 1: reason why I do nine is because I have to
Speaker 1: put my kids to bed when I have them, so
Speaker 1: usually their bedtime is about eight thirty, so I mean
Speaker 1: I can go a little bit earlier, but nine is
Speaker 1: typically like I could put them to bed, I get
Speaker 1: whatever housework done I need to get done, get everything
Speaker 1: set up, and then we start at nine. So depending
Speaker 1: on the week, I can go earlier, but dast thing.
Speaker 1: I don't want to jump nine one week, eight one
Speaker 1: week and whatever. I want to try to keep it standard,
Speaker 1: but I don't think we're ever gonna do three hour
Speaker 1: long on this because these episodes will be released on
Speaker 1: the Cult of Conspiracy on Thursdays. So like, as soon
Speaker 1: as we wrap here, I'm editing it and we're gonna
Speaker 1: promote pump it and it's gonna be out for everybody
Speaker 1: to hear for tomorrow.
Speaker 2: So but I'll do what i can.
Speaker 4: All right, Cool. Yeah, I'm just wondering, and yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't have much more to say, really, I mean, I
Speaker 4: just can't think of anything. Yeah about you, what's on
Speaker 4: your mind? Anything else you wanted to get to.
Speaker 1: Honestly, the only other thing I really wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about was the forest fires quote unquote you know, let's
Speaker 1: call them wildfires in California right now, which are But
Speaker 1: that's the thing.
Speaker 2: If we're gonna get started on that, we're gonna be
Speaker 2: here for.
Speaker 1: A whole another long one, and honestly, we're probably gonna
Speaker 1: do an episode on the Cult about it because there's
Speaker 1: it's very interesting the locations where these fires started.
Speaker 2: As all around LA.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they are not trying to take out
Speaker 1: the homeless population and or just take out La as
Speaker 1: a whole thing.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything about where.
Speaker 1: They started from, who started them if it's a terrorist plot,
Speaker 1: because we got that going on in this country right now,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, but that's the thing.
Speaker 2: We really don't have the.
Speaker 1: Time to get into that this evening, but uh, you
Speaker 1: know what, Yeah, we might as well wrap it here.
Speaker 1: So thank y'all for everybody that did make it out here,
Speaker 1: and to anybody listening to this on the Cult of Conspiracy,
Speaker 1: please come check out the Cajun Night Patreon account and
Speaker 1: join us next Wednesday night as we delve into all
Speaker 1: the other stuff that y'all want to get into. I
Speaker 1: love this, this open forum back and forth or exchanging ideas.
Speaker 2: I think we're all kind of growing as people as
Speaker 2: a result of it.
Speaker 1: And I had fun to see me so yes, indeed,
Speaker 1: with that being said, uh, we'll go ahead and wrap
Speaker 1: this and uh I'll catch you next time.