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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: Yes, is there did anybody retort a house on Fower

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and powers away?

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Speaker 4: They did, They're on their way.

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Speaker 5: Okay, do you know if anyone got out, everyone got

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out or.

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Speaker 6: You don't know.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: It's episode. Are you picturing a battalion of three hundred

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Greece stuff Roman warriors and loincloths violently charging the Persian

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armies frontline swords erect? It's just me sorry to disappoint.

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That was gayer than true crime obsessed and no, Karen,

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that's not a slur, it's literal. Jesus PC culture has

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to die already anyway. Welcome to the meaningless call out

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of a number that doesn't really matter and affects nothing

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at all. This is our three hundredth episode of Sort

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in Scale. I still don't know why you people listen

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to tragedy for entertainment, but here we are enjoy. About

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seventy five miles south of Cleveland, Ohio, one of my

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favorite places, near the eastern edge of place called Youngstown,

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lies a quiet residential street called Power's Way on most days,

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this street is as ordinaries any suburban road. Lawns are mode,

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families are gathering for backyard barbecues, and kids are zipping

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up and down the street on their bikes. It's a

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typical middle class American neighborhood, picturesque, something out of the

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Hallmark Channel, a peaceful place where crime rarely makes an appearance.

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But in the early hours of March thirtieth, twenty fifteen,

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at around three point thirty am, to be precise, something

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jolted the entire neighborhood awake. It shattered the usual calm,

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and this something thing was far from typical. This something

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was criminal.

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Speaker 9: Ytown one, Oh, I live on miles away.

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Speaker 4: One of the house is two houses down, blue off.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if anybody outside.

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Speaker 5: I'm right by it right now. I don't I don't

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know if I outside.

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Speaker 10: Okay, we'll send them out. Okay, So, but somebody does live.

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Speaker 5: There, Yeah, somebody doesn't live there, Okay, I got the people.

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Speaker 4: Were right next door out of the house, all right, we'll.

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Speaker 10: Send them out.

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Speaker 8: A massive explosion ripped through the night, shaking the entire neighborhood.

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Residents of Powers Way sprang up from their beds, quickly

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realizing that a nearby two story house was engulfed in flames.

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Speaker 10: Nextown is on one.

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Speaker 9: There's a fire on powers of the right house.

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Speaker 11: Point piece.

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Speaker 12: The house is going a real good.

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Speaker 10: He occupying structures.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, there's the houses burners.

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Speaker 10: Okay, you out, ma'm am across the street or every

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where you're running. Okay, get over there.

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Speaker 6: It's right here, right on, right here.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we got that.

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Speaker 10: Okay, block Okay.

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Speaker 8: The fire raged out of control, and onlookers quickly understood

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the grim reality if anyone was still inside, I mean,

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their chances of survival were next to none.

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Speaker 6: Down no one.

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Speaker 9: Yes, we have an explorision over here.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we got fire trucks on the way. Do you

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know if anybody's still in the house.

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Speaker 9: Oh my god, hello, pardon, I don't know.

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Speaker 10: You don't know. Okay, we have fire trucks on the way. Okay.

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Speaker 6: Did you see anybody leaving the area?

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Speaker 12: All right?

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Speaker 9: This place?

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Speaker 10: Oh my god, Okay, the trucks are on the way.

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Did you see anybody in leaving the area?

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Speaker 5: No, I just go out work and see anybody.

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Speaker 8: Phone calls flooded the nine to one one dispatch center,

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and it wasn't long before dispatchers learned a troubling detail

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about the two homeowners. They both had a disability.

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Speaker 9: And then when one would be your emergency, my neighbor's

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house is on fire and their death the pardoning.

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Speaker 13: The neighbors have his own fire and what and they're.

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Speaker 9: Dead and they're death, Yes.

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Speaker 14: Okay, they're on their way.

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Speaker 13: Are they home home?

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Speaker 15: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: Nobody's outside, but it's a big fire and there's an explosion,

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I mean our windows explosion.

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Speaker 9: On our house.

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Speaker 8: The homeowners were death, and for the neighbors who knew

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them well, what they were witnessing was both unimaginable and heartbreaking.

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Speaker 13: Oh my god.

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Speaker 10: Starting they go through fright, did the fire are on

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the way?

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Speaker 9: Do you know if the people got out of the house.

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Speaker 10: I don't know if they were over they're both dead.

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Speaker 9: Go through freight case the structurally.

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Speaker 10: Did you see anybody leaving the area?

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Speaker 16: I see, I see him corner.

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Speaker 10: Okay, there's the fire trucks and the ambulances are on

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the way. Okay.

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Speaker 8: When firefighters arrived on scene, they immediately began fighting the flames.

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Soon after, several police officers arrived as well and began

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working to identify the homeowners. They did this by running

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the license plates on the cars parked in the driveway.

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Speaker 10: All the rules are coming back to William E.

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Speaker 6: Schmidt.

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Speaker 7: William E.

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Speaker 10: Schmidt three six three one powers away.

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Speaker 8: The police confirmed that the home belonged to sixty three

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year old Bill Schmidt and his wife, sixty year old

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Judy Schmidt. The couple married in nineteen seventy four, the

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year of my birth got them old, and by all accounts,

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it was a loving marriage. Bill and Judy were the

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perfect match and nobody ever doubted that they would be

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together forever. Despite being deaf, both Bill and Judy led

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full in active lives. Bill was an outdoorsman who spent

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time hunting and fishing. He also enjoyed road trips on

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his Harley Davidson and was known locally as the grill Master.

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That's a cool title. When Bill fired up his barbecue pit,

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anyone lucky enough to be in the vicinity knew that

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they were about to enjoy one hell of a meal.

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As for Judy, she was a typical quilt maker who

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loved board games. She was especially social and had a

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wide circle of friends. Known for her warmth, Judy had

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a maternal touch that led many friends young and old

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to think of her as a second mom. With the

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homeowners identified, police ran a background check on an address,

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looking for any recent reports of incidents at the property,

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and as it turned out, there had been a few.

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Speaker 9: If we have any uh we do.

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Speaker 10: The last call is in February and it was a

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thirty one year old daughter that was missing since September,

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and then before that the next closed in September of

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twenty fourteen. It's about the daughter menacing her parents.

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Speaker 6: About the daughter, guarantee you.

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Speaker 8: Bill and Judy had three adult children, two of whom

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were also deaf. What are the chances their third child,

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thirty one year old Lynn Schmidt, was not Police reports

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indicated that there had been ongoing issues with Lynn. Allegedly

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she hit, harassed her parents, and then a few months

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later she disappeared, prompting Bill and Judy to report her missing.

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As police gathered all this info, firefighters pressed on working

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to fully extinguish the blaze. As they made their way

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through the charred home, they uncovered something that brought an

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Ohio prosecutor into the investigation.

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Speaker 9: So my name is John Cantalomesa. In twenty fifteen. I

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was a Chief Trial Council for the Mahoning County Prosecutor's Office.

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On Monday, March thirty of twenty fifteen, at approximately three

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thirty six am, the Youngstown nine one one senter received

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a call for a residential fire at three sixty three

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one Powers Way in the city of Youngstown in Ohio.

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Speaker 15: The Youngstown Fire Department.

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Speaker 9: While attempting to extinguish the fire to discover the bodies

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of two adults in the house.

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Speaker 8: Inside the home, firefighters discovered the bodies of Bill and

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Judy Schmidt. The couple was found dead in their bedroom.

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Right away, firefighters suspected foul play. It was clear this

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fire was no accident. Bill and Judy were victims of arson, so.

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Speaker 9: It didn't take long for the Youngstown Fire Department to

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determined was arson fire. They're pretty excute a determining whether

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something's accidental or arson, and in this piece, all the

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firefighters described as smelling the scent of gasoline upon entering

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the fire, and they knew right away that this was

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an arson.

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Speaker 8: The firefighters smelled the unmistakable scent of gasoline, then they

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spotted the two gas cans tucked just out of sight

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near the back of the house. One had a plastic

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glove jammed into its neck. Whoever did this had soaked

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the inside of the house, drenching the walls and floors

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with gas while Bill and Judy lay sleeping.

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Speaker 2: What a monster.

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Speaker 8: Then after flicking a flame, the killer fled, leaving behind

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burning destruction and death. Later that morning, the arson investigation

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led detectives to a nearby Walgreens. Strangely, one of their

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leads involved the purchase of some makeup.

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Speaker 4: And where do you work at Walgreens?

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Speaker 14: In which store? The store? And at one time was

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that store at twenty four hour store? Yes, I'm going.

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Speaker 17: To ask you about a gentleman that came in to

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buy some makeup.

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Speaker 14: Can you tell me about this?

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Speaker 12: What was early in the morning, and it was just

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me and Michael because we were the overnight.

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Speaker 18: Shift, and he told me that a guy needed some

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helping on some makeup over in asle one.

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Speaker 12: So I walk over there and he would He told

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me that he had a jury thing to go to

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this morning, and that night he took out his trash

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and something exploded in.

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Speaker 18: His trash, which is why his face was all burned.

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So he wanted some stuff to kind of cover it

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up because he didn't want to look like a freak

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to the other jury is what he said.

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Speaker 12: After we picked out like the foundation, he wanted something

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for his eyebrows because they had burned off, so.

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Speaker 18: He wanted to know if there was like an eyebrow pencil.

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Speaker 8: This Walgreens employee recalled a man who had come into

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her store that morning asking about makeup. Something about him

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seemed m off. He was dressed in a suit, but

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he wore a baseball cap pulled low over his face.

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A strange combination, maybe something you would see on Sports Center,

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but not a typical ense, you know, especially at Walgreens.

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The man nervously explained that he had jury duty in

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a few hours he needed makeup to cover up the

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bright red flashburns on his face. He also asked for

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eyebrow pencils, as his own eyebrows had been burned clean off. Yes,

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I know this story sounds familiar, but believe it or not,

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it's not the same story we told a few weeks ago.

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Apparently there's a lot of idiots out there starting fires. Anyway,

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This idiot's story was that he had some garbage that

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blew up in his face.

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Speaker 18: So his trash explained, that's what he said.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Did he say where this trash was?

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Speaker 18: He said at his house.

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Speaker 14: Okay, So you see this guy, what does he look like?

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Speaker 18: Well, he's not much taller than me. He's probably about

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maybe four inches hoaller than I am, maybe like five

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eight five nine. Okay, he's pretty asky bold.

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Speaker 14: Was he a white guy, black guy? His panic mill white?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: How old would you say he was?

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Speaker 18: I'd probably say maybe thirty eight to forty.

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Speaker 14: Do you remember what makeup that he bought?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, he bought.

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Speaker 12: I talked him into a maybe leat bebe cream because

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that's what I use, Okay, And then he.

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Speaker 18: Bought mable even brow pencils. I know those two for sure.

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Speaker 8: Early in the investigation, detectives found themselves with two solid leads,

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the strange man buying makeup at Walgreens and the mysterious

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absence of Bill and Judy's daughter Lynn Schmidt. But as

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the case unfolded, they would discover everything, every motive, and

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every twisted, sordid, disgusting detail centered around an unlikely person,

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a ten year old named Corn Gump. On the morning

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of March thirtieth, twenty fifteen, seen a Youngstown, Ohio home

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exploded into a raging inferno. Firefighters successfully extinguished the flames

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and found that the homeowners, sixty three year old Bill

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Schmidt and his wife, sixty year old Judy Schmidt, were dead.

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The married couple had been murdered. They were victims of arson.

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This double homicide sent detectives on a long, winding road.

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Eventually that path led them to a ten year old girl.

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Her name was corn Gump.

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Speaker 7: So can you give me your name?

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Speaker 6: Kearn?

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Speaker 7: Okay?

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Speaker 18: What's your last name?

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Speaker 7: Gump? When is your birthday?

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Speaker 19: January thirty first?

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Speaker 6: First?

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Speaker 9: Okay?

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Speaker 19: And how are you nine years old?

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Speaker 6: Nine? Okay?

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Speaker 7: So which pools do you go to? South Range? So

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Frage would read you in third?

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Speaker 18: Third grade?

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Speaker 6: You like third grade?

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Speaker 7: What's your favorite subject?

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Speaker 6: We're reading?

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Speaker 20: Reading?

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Speaker 18: Can read it all?

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Speaker 19: Sometimes?

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Speaker 7: You what kind of books you read?

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Speaker 19: Dad, kid, princess books, animal books.

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Speaker 8: At the time of this interview, Couren was living with

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her grandparents, but for much of her life she had

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lived with her mom, her younger half sister, and her

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mom's boyfriend.

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Speaker 7: Okay, who did you use to live before.

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Speaker 19: My mom? Eva me? And then my mom was played?

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Speaker 7: Okay, what's his name, Junior Junior? Is that his real

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name or does he have a different name?

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Speaker 19: Well, his real name is Robert Robert.

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Speaker 7: Okay, do you know do you know how old you

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were when you moved into his house?

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Speaker 19: Maybe four or five?

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Speaker 7: Okay, guess when you moved in Okay.

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Speaker 8: Coran's mom's boyfriend was forty six year old Robert Andrew

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Seaman Junior. He was mostly known by the nickname Junior,

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Robert or Bob or Junior, whatever you want to call.

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This guy earned a study and more than decent income

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by working on an assembly line at General Motors.

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Speaker 9: Robert Saman was working at a factory, a local factory

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we believe it the GM at the time, and he

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was living in Canfield with his girlfriend, his biological daughter,

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and then his girlfriends a daughter from a previous marriage.

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Speaker 8: Robert's girlfriend's daughter was Coryn Gump, the ten year old,

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and according to Korin, Robert didn't keep his hands or

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penis to himself. Fair warning, We're about to get into

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some pretty graphic stuff involving children and sexual assault. And

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I know that a lot of you subscribe to true

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crime podcasts and for some reason can't hear that kind

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of stuff, Well, you might want to turn it off

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and go listen to some crime junkie instead. If you

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can't stomach this sort of thing, then Sword and Scale

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may not be for you.

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Speaker 14: Anyway.

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Speaker 8: That's enough warning, because we already have the trigger warning

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labels on every episode and all that, so you need

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more than that. I don't know what to tell you.

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Here we go.

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Speaker 7: What is it that happened with Junior?

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Speaker 19: He made me?

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Speaker 9: All right?

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Speaker 7: So when you said that the junior touched that Junior

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raped you, what do you mean by that? What did

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he do?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 19: He made me stuck his bribe bit okay, and he

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did it.

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Speaker 6: To me Okay?

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Speaker 7: When he when he made you suck his private Where

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did this happen.

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Speaker 19: At in the living room, in the bedroom, their bedroom

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or upstairs in my room?

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Speaker 7: Okay?

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Speaker 14: Do you remember?

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Speaker 7: What do you use?

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Speaker 4: Just started at.

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Speaker 7: Four?

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Speaker 19: Five five?

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Speaker 7: Okay.

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Speaker 8: In March of twenty fourteen, when Corinne was just nine

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years old, she sat in the police interview room. She

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used crayons to color on paper. She described how her

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mom's boyfriend, Robert Seaman Jr. Repeatedly sexually assaulted her for years.

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Speaker 7: Did he so he did put his penis in your mouth?

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Speaker 19: M h okay?

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Speaker 7: And what what would happen?

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Speaker 19: He would try to pee in my mouth?

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Speaker 7: Okay? Did he pee in your mouth one time?

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Speaker 6: One time?

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Speaker 4: And what did he say?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 19: To swallow it, but of course I did not. Did

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you do sweat to spit it out?

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Speaker 7: Do he know you spit it out?

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Speaker 19: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: What did he say?

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Speaker 19: He said you were supposed to swallow and not spit

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it out?

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Speaker 7: How many times would you say this happened between you

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don't know what you say?

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Speaker 19: Times?

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Speaker 7: A lot of times, so more than one time?

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 8: Robert Seaman was a monster who forced his girlfriend's daughter

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to give him oral sex. Yes, I know it's actually rape,

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but we have to describe things so the audience understands

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what we're saying. According to Koren, this happened countless times,

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and throughout the years things only escalated. To say the least,

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what Robert did to Koren was depraved, evil and disgusting.

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But you shouldn't need a podcaster to tell you that.

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Speaker 19: Would climb on top mm hmm okay and kiss me?

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Speaker 9: Okay?

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Speaker 7: Where would he kiss you at lips?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 7: Would he ask you to pull your pants?

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Speaker 6: Down.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and then what would he say.

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Speaker 18: Or what would he do next?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 19: Could us that it?

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Speaker 7: Okay? Would you say anything to do you when he

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was doing that?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 7: Do you ever touch you on your boobs? Yes? Yeah,

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we're on top of your clothing and read your clothes

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and dumblings different?

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Speaker 9: Okay?

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Speaker 7: Did he ever did he ever put his penis on

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your lulu?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Yes? Were your clothes on or off or something different? Off?

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And what did he do to it?

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Speaker 19: Like push me back into it onto him?

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Speaker 7: Did he put his ps in your bis?

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Speaker 2: One time?

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Speaker 8: Koran claimed that between the ages of four and nine,

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Robert Siemen had repeatedly sexually assaulted her. Anyway, As it

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is often the case in these situations, there was no

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evidence to confirm or back up these accusations against Robert.

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usually do. And it's a rare instance where women aren't believed.

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But you know, tell yourselves whatever you'll want. I tend

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to believe a rape victim unless they've lied over and

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over and over again in the past, and so should you. Anyway,

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I believe her. Judge for yourself.

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Speaker 15: Well, obviously, She's nine at the time, there was no other.

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Speaker 9: Evidence other than her statement, but her description of the

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assaults and every time.

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Speaker 15: That something would happen was very compelling.

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Speaker 9: You know, she had details that a nine year old

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shouldn't know.

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Speaker 8: After Coorin disclosed and described the years of abuse that

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she endured, Robert Seaman was arrested and charged with multiple felonies,

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which included the sexual assault of a minor, one of

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the worst possible crimes you can commit, definitely in the

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top three. At his arraignment, Robert pled not guilty.

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Speaker 9: He was given a very high bond in comparison to

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a lot of cases, two hundred and fifty thousand cash

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or surety, meaning.

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Speaker 15: He either to post two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 9: In cash or get a surety like a bondsman to

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come in and vouch for him and saying they would

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post if he ran.

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Speaker 8: Within days of the arraignment, prosecutors were shocked to find

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out that Robert had managed to post bond somehow. What

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is it with these judges anyway, this predator was now

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free to harm other children, but at least he was

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given strict conditions, you know, because I'm sure, he'll pay

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attention to those since he follows the law and stuff.

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Speaker 9: As a condition of that bond, he was to be

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placed on an ankle monitor that was GPS enabled, and

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that he was told he was on house arrest, he

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couldn't have any contact with a victim or her family.

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Speaker 8: Unsurprisingly, Robert violated his bond conditions soon after his release

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by having contact with Korn's mom. What was unexpected was

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that Robert hadn't initiated this contact. Karin's mother had reached

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out to him. And here is a critical detail. Oren's

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mom was Lynn Schmidt, remember her, the non death child

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of Bill and Judy Schmidt.

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Speaker 11: So, like the last time I spoke with you, you

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hadn't had any contact with Robert. But we had some

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concerns from what we had heard that he believed you

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were going to recant, and that was that was why

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we came to talk to you, just to find out

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if there was any basis for that and what your

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intentions were in terms of in terms of the criminal

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case against Robert.

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Speaker 8: During the course of their investigation, the detectives working to

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put Robert behind bars came across something deeply unsettling. They

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discovered that Lynn might actually testify on Robert's behalf. It

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appeared she was prepared to take the stand and claim

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her daughter had lied about the sexual assault.

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Speaker 11: Did he contact you from there?

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Speaker 20: Then?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 7: I asserved him because.

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Speaker 15: I knew, right, So how how often did you.

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Speaker 2: See him there?

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Speaker 7: I found? I mean I've been there.

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Speaker 14: I mean, I don't know how many.

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Speaker 15: Times would've been in there. I just know, you know

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when why join why are you going?

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Speaker 9: Because I want him to think that you know nobody

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like nobody else.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I know other.

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Speaker 11: People know you know what I mean, But I just

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want you want him to trust you.

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Speaker 8: When detectives questioned Lynn about her ongoing contact with Robert,

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her answers were evasive. She claims she was scared of Robert,

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fearing he might retaliate against her, her parents, or even

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core In, and that's staying in touch with him was

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her way of keeping him in line. Sure, Lynn, Sure, Sure, yeah.

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 11: I'm concerned about your parents house too, because of their

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their their hard of hearing, right, their lack of hearing.

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I don't necessarily believe that he has the news and

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even the stomach or the will to to actually do that.

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And I you know I want to believe, I obviously

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that you're afraid of it. I feel that he knows

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full well how to make you this afraid and how

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to make you do his wishes in order to get

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out of his current predicament. As she's advising you, you

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need to remove yourself from being anywhere near him or

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having any contact with him.

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Speaker 8: Despite the warnings to keep away, Lynn ignored this advice. Instead,

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she went further. She moved back into Robert's house, bringing

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along get this, her younger daughter Ava. It was only

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four at the time. It appeared that Lynn had turned

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her back on her daughter core In in favor of

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the attention and affection that she was getting from Karen's rapist.

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Speaker 9: We don't know why Karen's mom went back to Robert

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Semen after the rape allegations came.

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Speaker 6: Out in March of twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 15: She was never able to give us a.

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Speaker 9: Straight answer as why she went back with Robert.

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Speaker 15: She her and she took her youngest who was also

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the biological child of Robert Semen.

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Speaker 9: Ave back to the house and lived with him.

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Speaker 8: It's weird. All these smart people don't know why she

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went back, but I do.

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Speaker 10: I do.

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Speaker 8: It's dick say it with me. Dick Lynn was now

483
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living with Robert, while her daughter Karen had moved in

484
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,960
with her grandparents because Robert kept raping her and her

485
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,039
grandparents were the murder victims Bill and Judy Schmidt. For

486
00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:01,279
a while, everything seemed calm, but then, on the eve

487
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:04,960
of Roberts trial for sexual assault, guess what happens? You

488
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,000
want to guess, I'll give you a couple of minutes. Okay, Okay,

489
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:11,319
here we.

490
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Speaker 5: Go, Youngtown nine on what is your emergency?

491
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 15: Yes?

492
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:15,559
Speaker 9: There?

493
00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:18,839
Speaker 10: Did anybody record a house on fire and powers away?

494
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,799
Speaker 5: They did? Man, and they're on their way.

495
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 12: Okay, okay, thank you.

496
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: Okay did you know?

497
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:26,319
Speaker 5: Did you know if anyone got out, everyone got out

498
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,039
or you don't know? I don't know here, okay, all right,

499
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,400
we're getting them down there, thank you very much.

500
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Speaker 2: Okay.

501
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,759
Speaker 20: By three am, Monday, March thirtieth, an explosion and fire

502
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:42,519
at thirty six thirty one Powers Way.

503
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Speaker 1: Fire broke out from the bottom of the basement just hush.

504
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,759
Speaker 8: Just hours before Robert's trial was set to begin, Bill

505
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:57,359
and Judy's house exploded and the subsequent flames engulfed their home,

506
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killing them.

507
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:04,279
Speaker 9: The fireman and the fire. Marshall's investigators why that would be,

508
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:08,000
Why would they hear an explosion? And they said, from

509
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,880
our evidence, we know he went in with those gas

510
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,720
cans and went to the landing of the basement stairs,

511
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:18,519
and we believe he poured the gas over the.

512
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 15: Side of the stairs down into the landing.

513
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 9: He then must have taken those two gas cans back

514
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,400
outside and set them alongside the door, figuring he'll grab

515
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,680
him on the way to his car, and he goes

516
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,720
back in with the lighter. And when he goes back

517
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:38,559
in and even just flicks that lighter because that gas,

518
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:42,480
all those fumes had been building up. Now while he

519
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:48,240
poured the gas. The investigators and the forensic scientists that

520
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,960
we talked to tuck, what just him flicking that lighter

521
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:56,200
can ignite still those fumes in the air, and that's

522
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,160
why he hit that flash fern on his face, and

523
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,279
they hear is.

524
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Speaker 15: Essentially an explosion from the fire.

525
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,039
Speaker 9: Now it also might have exploded like bigger ones that

526
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,400
hits like the house's gas line.

527
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,119
Speaker 8: The explosion and fire claimed the lives of Bill and

528
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,000
Judy Schmidt, but tragically they weren't the only victims.

529
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Speaker 20: Within a few hours, we know the three people in

530
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,480
the house, ten year old Karn Gump and her grandparents,

531
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,359
Bill and Judy Schmidt, had died in the fire.

532
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,359
Speaker 8: And saw them carry maybe ill. Bill and Judy were

533
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,759
not the intended targets of this arson attack, Mark Breakingley,

534
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,000
They were simply collateral damage. Robert's true aim was to

535
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:51,079
silence his young victim, and he succeeded. When firefighters sifted

536
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,960
through the ash and rubble, they found the bodies of Bill, Judy,

537
00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:02,920
and a small girl. Ten year old Corn Gump was dead.

538
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:31,079
On March thirtieth, twenty fifteen, an arson fire claimed the

539
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:34,880
lives of three people in Youngstown, Ohio, ten year old

540
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,079
Koran Gump and her grandparents, Bill and Judy Schmidt before

541
00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:42,240
the flames even had time to fully die out. Some

542
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,680
of Korn's family members had their suspicions about who was

543
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,559
responsible for this horrific crime.

544
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:52,799
Speaker 1: Karin's grandma on her dad's side, thinks this fire was

545
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,519
no mistake.

546
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: He was wicked here with evil.

547
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: She thinks this man had something to do with it.

548
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:03,960
Robert's accused of sexual assaulting Corinne. The trial was supposed

549
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,279
to start today. On literally the eve of trial, hours

550
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,160
before this trial was supposed to begin. This victim dies

551
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:11,680
in a fire.

552
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 8: That's say morning the sexual assault trial against Robert Seaman

553
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:19,839
was scheduled to begin, and Mahoning County Prosecutor Don Cantala

554
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,960
Mesa was prepared to go forward. Strangely enough, it seemed

555
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,680
that Robert was ready to proceed as well.

556
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 15: It was probably eight thirty nine o'clock in the morning that.

557
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,599
Speaker 6: Morning, and he was.

558
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,839
Speaker 9: All dressed ready for his trial. And then the judge

559
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,400
ordered the records.

560
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 6: From his GPS.

561
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:45,079
Speaker 9: Bracelet to be backed to the court so that she

562
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,440
could review where that GPS bracelet that he went. We

563
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,240
were able to then see from those records that they immediately.

564
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 15: Fast that before coming to court that morning.

565
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 9: He had stopped at the breaking point of Recovery Center,

566
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,920
for whom maintains his bracelets, and at Walgreens.

567
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 8: The judge presiding over the sexual assault trial was informed

568
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,039
about the fire and Korn's death. When they reviewed the

569
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:18,400
GPS records from Robert's ankle monitor, they found no indication

570
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:21,480
that he had visited Bill and Judy's home, though his

571
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:24,599
tracker did reveal a trip to the headquarters of a

572
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,119
company responsible for monitoring the device that company was called

573
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,599
Breaking Point. When Robert arrived at Breaking Point early that morning,

574
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,119
he requested that his ankle monitor be tightened. Imagine that.

575
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,039
Imagine going to the place that makes your ankle monitor

576
00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:44,680
and requesting that it be tightened. That doesn't raise any

577
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,920
red flags, does it? Anyway? The staff there complied for

578
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,880
the judge and prosecutors. Robert's scheme was pretty clear. He

579
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,400
had slipped off the monitor, driven to Bill and Judy's house,

580
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,079
set the fire, and returned home. Once there, he reattached

581
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:05,039
the ankle monitor and went to Breaking Point to have

582
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:08,679
it adjusted so that any evidence of tampering would be removed.

583
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,800
Robert was supposed to be on strict house arrest, permitted

584
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,599
only to leave for court or to meet with his lawyer.

585
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:21,599
This unauthorized trip to Breaking Point alone was a violation,

586
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,199
which led the judge thankfully to revoke his bond, a

587
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,800
bond he should have never had to begin with. Robert

588
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,079
was taken into custody, and soon after he was questioned

589
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:35,880
by detectives about the house fire.

590
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:40,159
Speaker 4: Now, you know, are you guys charging me or is that?

591
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:47,559
Speaker 17: Because well, I'm here to talk to you to hear

592
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:48,639
your side of the story.

593
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 21: You seemed frustrated to me down there, and I said,

594
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,039
let's get this side of the story to put this

595
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:56,679
to bed quicker.

596
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 4: I didn't burn that house out.

597
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 22: What I'm gonna shape no matter how, there's no way

598
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,639
in how in a million years I touched that house

599
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:05,519
was near that house.

600
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:10,159
Speaker 8: As expected, Robert denied any involvement in setting the fire,

601
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,480
but the detectives didn't believe him. They humored him, asking

602
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:18,000
for details though about where he was and what he

603
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:20,480
did that morning. They already knew.

604
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 14: I don't knew were you tonight out.

605
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:25,559
Speaker 22: I was nervous with the whole you know thing. So

606
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,679
I tried to sleep myself. I don't know, I might

607
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,840
have slept so probably two inch or so.

608
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: And I get antsy, and then.

609
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,599
Speaker 22: I got out, try to watch the TV and cleaned up,

610
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,519
and you know, just basically I was nervous, you know,

611
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:41,440
the whole thing.

612
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,079
Speaker 4: So before I left, though, I showered, I got a shower.

613
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:48,599
Speaker 22: I just tried to do like chores around the house,

614
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,960
little things that keep me going, you know, And then

615
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:52,639
can you explain this?

616
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,639
Speaker 8: Detectives also inquired about the large burns on Robert's face

617
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,559
and his missing eye. House curiously, Robert claimed that the

618
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:06,039
burns weren't from the fire at all. He insisted he'd

619
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:10,119
only received them after being taken back into custody, saying

620
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:12,920
they were chemical burns he'd sustained in his jail cell,

621
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:16,239
because you know, jail cells have lots of chemicals in them.

622
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,599
Speaker 4: I go in the room. I don't know. I make

623
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:20,400
my bed.

624
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 22: I turned around, and I didn't get to know.

625
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,199
Speaker 4: The guy's saying he has a little gotea on him.

626
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,639
Speaker 22: And there's a bottle inside of my room that says

627
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:33,159
like corrosion or whatever.

628
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:35,559
Speaker 14: It's a spray bottle of bleach. I guess I have

629
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,320
like bleach.

630
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,559
Speaker 4: I guess for the tubs or or whatever.

631
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,159
Speaker 22: And they put it in a bottle and you could

632
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:43,559
clean with it what was already in the room.

633
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 4: I went in. You know, the kid came in the room.

634
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,440
He has a go to you. I don't know his

635
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,239
name because he kept taking his arm can off.

636
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 14: I went in the room.

637
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 22: I probably wasn't even in there ten minutes or so,

638
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,440
you know, roughly right about that, you know, I made

639
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,239
my bed. I turned around there he was. He threw

640
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,039
it at me and turned in my head this way.

641
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,920
I pushed and I got to the water as quick

642
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,719
as I could. In the meantime, he grabbed the thing

643
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,719
you know, I don't know. I guess he talked it

644
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,280
a toilet and then he walked out.

645
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,679
Speaker 8: The detectives knew Robert was lying, but they continued playing along.

646
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:21,280
They even offered to help Robert confirm his claim with

647
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,199
a free visit to the burn specialist. Unsurprisingly, Robert wasn't

648
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:28,199
too keen on taking them up on that offer.

649
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,639
Speaker 4: I get what you're saying, and I do, and I

650
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:32,679
know this. I'm sure that looks to you guys like

651
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,480
I'm guilty.

652
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:34,559
Speaker 14: Say how about this?

653
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 17: Will you go to agronburn to give treatment so we

654
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,719
know exactly what this is.

655
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 14: I already talked to my.

656
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,599
Speaker 22: Lawyer today and he got the like they have a

657
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:47,039
paper upstairs and the paper says on there it's chemical.

658
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 4: And so I'm gonna be able.

659
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:50,079
Speaker 14: I'm trying to say.

660
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:52,599
Speaker 4: So for me to keep doing this, it's like, here's

661
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:54,599
what here, just hear me, go ahead.

662
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 17: I want to send you to a professional burn doctor,

663
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,079
not in an emergency room, and say, ease doctor, because.

664
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 14: This could put a lot of stuff to bed.

665
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 22: Yeah, And like I said, it's just just like with

666
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,320
how many times you guys have sent someone to the

667
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,119
house right now, you understand like every day out of

668
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:16,960
the paper, and that torture is my family.

669
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 4: Because I understand you got to keep doing your job.

670
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,119
Speaker 14: I get it.

671
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: But the point is there has to be some point

672
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:22,760
where it's redundant.

673
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 15: It's not just sus.

674
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,199
Speaker 14: That's what I'm saying. What I'm saying burn to the

675
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:29,000
bird to a professional.

676
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's why I'm saying that it does.

677
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,039
Speaker 14: I don't understand.

678
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 17: Where you're coming from, because ecause this could help end

679
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:37,840
this can put it.

680
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 4: I get what you're saying, but you have to understand

681
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,000
my point of view.

682
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 22: I mean, I'm trying to be as cooperative as I can,

683
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,239
but this is like a witch hunt to me.

684
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: At this point.

685
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,559
Speaker 8: As far as evidence went, the burns on Robert's face

686
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,039
were bad enough, but detectives had a little bit more,

687
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,800
well a lot more.

688
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,199
Speaker 4: I don't want to do that. I mean, I understand

689
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,280
you guys, there's probably.

690
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 14: Well let me let me ask you this. Why would

691
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:05,960
you go into Walgreens?

692
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,039
Speaker 4: Why would I going to Walgreens?

693
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 10: Yes?

694
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,039
Speaker 14: Did you buy anything of Walgreens?

695
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:13,079
Speaker 2: I don't think.

696
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:15,159
Speaker 4: And then I was just killing time. That's why I

697
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:16,519
said that hard from there.

698
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: On the corner.

699
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 8: What Robert didn't know was that police had obtained surveillance

700
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,519
footage from Walgreens in case you're a criminal out there

701
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:28,360
and you're looking to do some criminal activity. It's twenty

702
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:34,880
twenty five, you, moron. There's cameras everywhere. This footage clearly

703
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,880
showed Robert entering the store and purchasing the makeup. It

704
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,239
was evident that the makeup was used to cover his flashburns.

705
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 14: Let me ask you this, Do you wear makeup? Do

706
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:46,800
I wear a Macon? Yes, sir?

707
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:50,199
Speaker 4: No, I mean I don't.

708
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 22: I mean I don't hardly wear makeup as far as

709
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,880
you're talking about the cover up for a zip that

710
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,360
I had and when I was calling to trial, so

711
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,360
I put it over a ZiT.

712
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 4: I had my nose.

713
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: That's the only thing I do with it, matel.

714
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,159
Speaker 17: What about have you ever used eyebrow pencils?

715
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: Eye profess and professors.

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00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 8: Robert's lies were unraveling fast, and detectives knew precisely what

717
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:22,159
he had done that morning. It was written all over

718
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,800
his face. They knew he'd set the fire and ended

719
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,559
three lives. They knew that his crime had literally blown

720
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up in his face. They knew he'd gone to Walgreens

721
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to buy makeup to cover the evidence that was written

722
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,840
all over his dumb, stupid child raping mug.

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Speaker 9: Because once he went to the jail and all that

724
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:49,559
makeup came off his face, you could see that he

725
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:53,880
had like flash burned on his face that had sined

726
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,119
his eyebrows.

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Speaker 8: As detectives continued to press him, Robert tried to shift

728
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:03,920
the blame. It's always someone else's fault. In a desperate

729
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,360
attempt to divert attention, he hinted that detectives should look

730
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,800
a little closer instead at Krin's mom, Lynn Schmidt.

731
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Speaker 4: But Lynn and the baby had lived with me for

732
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over seven months.

733
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Speaker 2: Now, you know, I'm nonsaw.

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Speaker 4: She hasn't even seen her daughter, you know, Karin one time.

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Speaker 22: And you know that was the fight thing with her

736
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,119
mom and dad. You know, they had it out, and

737
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,840
you know, she needed a place to say and I

738
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,599
wasn't you know, having my daughter shoot so to say,

739
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:39,760
you know. So they were more than molkal to be there.

740
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,559
Speaker 8: It was true that Lynn had returned to living with

741
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:46,840
Robert after the sex abuse allegations had surfaced. In fact,

742
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,719
she was at Robert's house on the morning that her

743
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,280
daughter Karen and her parents were killed in the fire.

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Speaker 22: You know, Lynn unfortunately isn't saving, like I said, with her.

745
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 4: You know, she's getting over half a.

746
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: Million dollars with her parents gone.

747
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 4: I mean literally, I mean they have over a half

748
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,639
million dollars in cash in the back.

749
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 22: Everything's entitled in her name, so in no way shape

750
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,280
her form. I mean, I'm not saying that that she

751
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,679
would do. I wouldn't think she would do something like this.

752
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:23,079
But my point is she has so much money.

753
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,639
Speaker 4: When they die, it's like it might even be close to.

754
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 17: Al I'm not trying to be rude, but essentially, you're

755
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:31,320
going to come into some money too.

756
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: No, I ain't coming into the money as.

757
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 14: Long as she's living with you.

758
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 22: Yeah, she was living with me for the years before too,

759
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:40,599
but she never works. She never brought in any income.

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00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 17: But she's not a half million dollars said, you're going

761
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:44,960
to get some of that?

762
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 9: All right?

763
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:47,679
Speaker 14: Well, do you think she's going up and leave you.

764
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Speaker 4: We're not on that good of.

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Speaker 2: Terms, so to say.

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Speaker 8: Lynn certainly appeared to have a motive for wanting her

767
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,239
parents dead, and Robert had no problem throwing her under

768
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,000
the bus, because you know, he's a hell of a guy.

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00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,559
Speaker 17: Do you think she could have had the opportunity to

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get out of the house.

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00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 15: During the night.

772
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 22: I was probably sleeping at that time. But one thing

773
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,000
that was strange was the door was open, reunited, the

774
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:20,199
door was open. We always closed the door, like if

775
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,480
she gets out of the middle of the night, we

776
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:22,320
still close the door.

777
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,519
Speaker 4: We have a double door that closes. I were in

778
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:28,440
the master bedroom where we sleep at night.

779
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 17: Do you think she had an opportunity when you were

780
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,719
sleeping to get out of the.

781
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: House and get it back in. Yes, without you knowing

782
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,320
about it, because the door was open. That was the

783
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,800
weird thing that I thought was weird.

784
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 8: Detectives were certain that Robert had started the fire. His

785
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,639
burns and his visit to Walgreens were proof enough, but

786
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:52,119
that didn't mean that Lynn was innocent. Far from it.

787
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,599
She could very well have known about Robert's plan or

788
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:59,639
even helped. She might have provided details about how to

789
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,159
get in to the house, where to pour the gasoline,

790
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:06,519
and the best time to strike. Considering that she continued

791
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:12,280
to live with her daughter's abuser, her capability seemed disturbing,

792
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:18,320
but without hard evidence, this all remained speculation kind of.

793
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 9: So we've always from the very beginning suspected that Lynn

794
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:25,840
knew that Robert was going to do something that morning.

795
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:30,480
When the detectives first responded to the house. They went

796
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:33,960
to the early morning of March thirty, twenty fifteen, to.

797
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Speaker 15: Do a well check on her, because.

798
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Speaker 9: Obviously, if someone's going to kill the grandparents and the

799
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,880
victim of a crime or of the rape trial that

800
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:45,360
was supposed to.

801
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,639
Speaker 15: Happen that morning, we wanted to know.

802
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,599
Speaker 9: If anything happened to Lynn as well. And so when

803
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,039
the cops went there, when the house went to Robert

804
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,159
Semen's house, they pounded on the door, and no one

805
00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:59,960
immediately came to the house. They went to around the back.

806
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 15: I founded on the back door. They came back to

807
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:02,840
the front.

808
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 9: They made entry to the house because no one was answering,

809
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,519
and they found Lynn just watching television in the family room,

810
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,000
and they asked her what she was doing there, why

811
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:17,119
she wasn't at court, and she said she was told

812
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:19,760
not to come to court to the next day. However,

813
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:24,239
both the state and the defense had subpoenaed Lynn for

814
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,159
the trial, and us being the state had subpoenaed her

815
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:30,440
for that day, so she should have actually been at

816
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,400
court that morning.

817
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 8: As for motive, prosecutors did confirm that if her parents died,

818
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:40,320
Lynn would stand to inherit a significant amount of money.

819
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 9: When Bill and Judy Schmid had died, they apparently had

820
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,960
had a life insurance policy which listed all three of

821
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,480
their children as beneficiaries, one being Karin's mom, And so

822
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:58,719
they called us to determine whether we had any information

823
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,480
or any.

824
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 15: Evidence that would link Lynn to the.

825
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 6: Fire, whether we thought she had been involved.

826
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 9: So we thought she had anything to do with the.

827
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 15: Arson and the murder of them, and we told them.

828
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,039
Speaker 9: We didn't have anything that said she was involved, but

829
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,840
we didn't have anything specific that said she had nothing

830
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:23,559
to do with it.

831
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,679
Speaker 8: In the end, if Lynn was involved in the murders

832
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:32,920
of her daughter and parents, detectives couldn't prove it. As

833
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:39,599
of today, Lynn Schmidt remains a free woman. Robert Seaman

834
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,599
was the only person ever charged for these murders.

835
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 22: I said, I had nothing nowhere near that house. I

836
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:51,039
only I've never even drove by the street of that house.

837
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,639
I avoided completely circle around. I know, carez there. I

838
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,760
ain't going near that house. You know, why would I

839
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,320
if I had any intention of doing this, why would

840
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,519
this be done right before?

841
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 16: It makes no sense, It makes zero sense for me.

842
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:09,559
I'm guilt, I look guilty. I'm the one, you know

843
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:12,960
what I'm trying to say. So, if somebody's did this,

844
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:14,239
it surely wasn't me.

845
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 17: When people are knocked in the corner, they will do

846
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:19,880
anything to survive.

847
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 4: It wasn't back in the corner.

848
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:25,039
Speaker 23: I understand that if you could review the case, the

849
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:29,440
only way that they had was correct. I had her mother,

850
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:33,760
I had the guardian of light, I had the juvenile record,

851
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,719
I had I mean, I had so much stuff that.

852
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,119
Speaker 4: It wasn't even it wasn't even close.

853
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 14: I had her mother.

854
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 8: You know, Robert maintained a facade of confidence, claiming that

855
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,079
he had a strong chance of beating the sexual assault charges.

856
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,519
But this was nothing more than phony. Bravado current statements

857
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:57,159
were powerful, and she had no reason to lie. A

858
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,599
ten year old wouldn't lie about something like this voluntarily,

859
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:06,280
not unless they were extraordinarily troubled. And then you got

860
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,760
to ask, why are they that troubled?

861
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:08,159
Speaker 2: At ten?

862
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 8: Robert knew the consequences he faced if convicted, he would

863
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,920
likely spend his life in a federal prison, where as

864
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,400
a sex offender, he'd be in constant danger. As we

865
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,079
all know, a lot of inmates don't take too kindly

866
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:28,559
to child rapists. Nobody should. That's what wood chippers are for.

867
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,840
Backed into a corner, Robert was far more desperate than

868
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,079
he let on. His reasoning was clear. If he was

869
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:39,960
headed to prison for life, why not eliminate the one

870
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:43,639
witness against him. At best, he'd get away with it

871
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:47,679
and the charges would be dropped. At worst, he'd end

872
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,880
up in prison. All the same, Robert had everything to

873
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,920
gain and nothing to lose. Among the many frustrations in

874
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,559
this case, one glaring issue is that Robert should have

875
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:03,840
never been released on bail. What the fuck are we

876
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:09,280
doing in this country with cashless bail? How stupid are

877
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,760
we to come up with that shit? This monster should

878
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,519
have remained in custody until his trial. But even if

879
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:23,079
bail was granted, it should have been revoked long before

880
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:26,480
he had a chance to murder Korn and her grandparents.

881
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:33,400
Why don't judges like Maureen Sweeney understand incentives? I thought

882
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,360
people with law degrees were supposed to be smart.

883
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:40,679
Speaker 21: You advise that you had information about Roberts Seeman violating

884
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,199
his house for rest or possibly violated here is a way,

885
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:46,920
but he saw her how, you know, but just that

886
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:48,280
he was leaving a lot, you know.

887
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 14: And then I called him and talked to the first prosecutor.

888
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:55,000
I figured her name right now. She's like, yeah, yo,

889
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:56,960
when you see him leave them, call him let me.

890
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: Know every time whatever.

891
00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:59,079
Speaker 14: So I called her a.

892
00:49:59,079 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: Couple of times.

893
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,679
Speaker 8: While Robert was out on bail. His neighbor reported seeing

894
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,320
Robert leave the house multiple times a day at all hours,

895
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,079
despite being under house arrest. When these reports were made,

896
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:15,719
the court should have been alerted immediately and Robert's bond

897
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:19,840
should have been revoked, but it wasn't.

898
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 9: When the judge got those records from the GPS company

899
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,239
who was monitoring him, when she was so pitched because

900
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,440
we also saw that he had been leaving his house

901
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,280
all the time. Apparently that breaking point never called the

902
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,079
court to tell them to tell the court that he

903
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:43,679
was leaving by going to tackle Bell and then going

904
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,679
to the mall and then going.

905
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:46,599
Speaker 6: To get a new suit.

906
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 9: For trial, and they should have been reporting that to

907
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,320
the court, but they never told the court that he

908
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,719
was leaving all this time. And I don't know who

909
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,400
the neighbor was reporting it.

910
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 6: To, but my guess is this state.

911
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 9: If he was reported to someone, and they had reported

912
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,800
it to the police, maybe the court or whoever would

913
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,079
have heard, would have thought, well, if he was really leaving,

914
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,920
we get a report from Breaking Point that said he

915
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:18,679
was going outside and you know, going other places than

916
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,239
the courthouse or his attorney.

917
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:25,119
Speaker 8: As for the company responsible for tracking Robert Breaking Point,

918
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:30,000
their failure to do its job eventually didn't surprise anyone.

919
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,480
You see, it turns out that a lot of these

920
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:37,559
companies are bullshit. This one in particular, Their owner had

921
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:41,559
racked up nearly as many felonies and fraud convictions as

922
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:43,360
p Diddy has. Apparently.

923
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 20: Ryan Sheridan's troubles started almost eighteen months ago, when state

924
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,280
and federal agents rated his Breaking Point recovery centers in

925
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,519
Austin Town had another location in Columbus. They also rated

926
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:59,000
homes owned by Sheridan. A few days later, directors with

927
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:02,880
the Ohio Department of Medicaid announced they had suspended Breaking

928
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,719
Points contracts. Then in March, federal investigators seized more than

929
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,360
two million dollars from him in May, the US Attorney's

930
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,239
office filed paperwork trying to seize Sheridan's million dollar home

931
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,280
in Latonia, claiming he used Medicaid money to buy it.

932
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,559
Fast forward to October, when a Columbiana County grand jury

933
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:27,199
indicted him on several drug charges, and just last month,

934
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:32,320
another indictment. This time federal prosecutors were involved. Sheridan and

935
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,920
five others were named as investigators accused them of running

936
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,119
a forty eight million dollar health care fraud conspiracy.

937
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:42,559
Speaker 8: Don't you just love how the government spends your money?

938
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,960
This story is, without question, both infuriating and deeply tragic.

939
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,280
Every safeguard that should have protected corn Gump failed her.

940
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:59,119
The courts, the lawyers with their fancy law degrees and

941
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:04,280
their Ivy League educations, the GPS monitoring system and company

942
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:09,880
that made it, and even Corin's own mother. All of

943
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:15,719
them fell short. All of them were huge disappointments. And

944
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,480
in the end, what chance did this little ten year

945
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:19,800
old girl really have?

946
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 4: None?

947
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:23,039
Speaker 14: None at all.

948
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:30,639
Speaker 8: She was a sacrificial lamb to this corrupt, fucked up system. Eventually,

949
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:35,800
and as the routine goes, Robert Seman was arraigned on

950
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,519
murder charges for killing Korn and her grandparents. As expected,

951
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:44,679
he pled not guilty in this circus continued.

952
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 20: Authorities admit they don't know how Semen managed to get

953
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,400
out of his electronic monitoring ankle bracelet that morning, or

954
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,920
how he got back and forth from the Schmids home

955
00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:57,480
to set the fire they believed caused his burns, But

956
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they do believe they had more than enough evidence to

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convince a Portage County jury Seemen was so desperate to

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get out.

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Speaker 14: Of his rape case that he'd kill his young victim.

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Speaker 8: By now, you're probably expecting the typical outcome for a

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case like this, something along the lines of Robert was

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sentenced to life in prison or Robert was sentenced to death.

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But think again, this story has one final twist you

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won't like it. Just days before his murdered trial was

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set to begin, the judge called prosecutors, defense, and Robert

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00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,760
himself into court for a final status hearing.

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Speaker 15: So we've been in this status conference. The judge was

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asking us.

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Speaker 9: Everybody ready, So we were done with that. We left

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out the back chambers of the court. We walked just

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twaining on the fourth floor of the monon Kant Courthouse.

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Speaker 15: So we walked around the corner.

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Speaker 9: We got in the elevator and we usually go down

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to the basement and go through our tunnel tar office.

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As soon as we got back, I got a call

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from one of the deputies that he had jumped, and

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I said, no, he didn't.

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Speaker 6: Why are you playing with me?

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Speaker 9: And they said, no, we're we're hitting a jump. And

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my first reaction was as he did.

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Speaker 8: After the status hearing, Robert was escorted by two deputies

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down the courtroom halls back towards his cell. During this

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00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,480
walk out of nowhere, Robert flung himself over a fourth

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floor railing.

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Speaker 13: At approximately ninety this morning, Robert Seaman was having a

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final pre trial hearing on the fourth floor in Judge

987
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Sweeney's courtroom. The court adjourned while the deputies were escorting

988
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mister Seamen down the hallway to go back to our

989
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,360
holding cell. He basically took a leap off of the

990
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fourth floor. So we a real quick look at what

991
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took place here. The deputies actually did a great job.

992
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They did what they were supposed to do when they

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were escort and it out. And you know, I can't

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00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:12,719
speak for mister Seamen. He must have had his mind.

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Speaker 3: Made up murder and arson suspect Robert Seaman is dead

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00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,840
after jumping from the balcony of the Mahone County Courthouse.

997
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Semen is the man accused of killing a little girl

998
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and her grandparents and an arson just over two years ago.

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Speaker 8: In the end, Robert performed one final act that could

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be seen only as a favor to society. He took

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his own life. The coward didn't want to face what

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was waiting for him in prison. As for the deputies

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escorting him, no one seemed to care, and really, why

1004
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:46,760
should they who could blame him?

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Speaker 14: Are we going to change anything?

1006
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,079
Speaker 13: Well, we're going to look at that, obviously, but you know,

1007
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I don't see any issues with this and I am

1008
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certainly not going to lose sleep over this one.

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Speaker 8: Since lawyers can't put a dead man on trial, the

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prosecutors had no choice but to dismiss the charges against

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Robert Seaman. In the eyes of the court, he was

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never found guilty of anything, dying an innocent man on paper.

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Hopefully this one episode of a podcast a few people

1014
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:25,519
might hear. One day, we'll at least get Kurran's story

1015
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:32,519
out to the world, writing this horrible wrong that our

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system of laws have created.

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Speaker 9: We never got to present our evidence to a jury,

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but we were so convinced of his guilt in this case.

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Speaker 6: I mean, not only did we have the pending.

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Speaker 9: Rape charge where she's listed as a victim and he

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knows where she is.

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Speaker 6: We had the two gas.

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Speaker 9: Cans at the back door with his DNA and the glove.

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We had the makeup that he's found with in the

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that morning.

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Speaker 6: A trial, and him buying the.

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Speaker 9: Make at that Walgreens that morning along with the eyebrow pencils.

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Speaker 6: Then we had the pictures of.

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Speaker 9: His burnt face from once the makeup war off that morning.

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Since everything pointed to him as the one who's committed

1031
00:58:18,199 --> 00:58:21,360
it and no one else, there was never Once we

1032
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,679
had all that evidence lined up, there was never any

1033
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doubt in our minds that Robert Seamen did it.

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Speaker 8: The evidence against Robert was overwhelming, leaving almost no chance

1035
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he'd escaped justice. Perhaps the final nail in his coffin

1036
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was the DNA found on the plastic gloves stuffed into

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the neck of one of the gasoline cans that was

1038
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,320
found outside Bill and Judy's home, the home that was

1039
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set on fire with them in it. That DNA was

1040
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a perfect match for Robert Seaman, and unlike people DNA

1041
00:58:56,599 --> 00:59:01,039
don't lie, Robert knew that his life as he knew

1042
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it was over, and the fact that he chose to

1043
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end his life only under scores his guilt.

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Speaker 24: I think it's very telling. I think it's very telling.

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He knew the evidence against him. Every witness we'd talked

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to in preparation for the case that they didn't know

1047
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why he was not pleading guilty or not asking for

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some kind of plea. So this is very telling to

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anyone out there.

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Speaker 9: We knew he did it, he knew he had the evidence,

1051
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and there was no way he was going to get.

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Speaker 6: Away with this.

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Speaker 8: There are so many lessons to take away from this case,

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but perhaps the most significant is the role single parents

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must play in protecting their own children. Above all, a

1056
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parent must place their child's welfare first. They must be

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the strongest line of defense for their own blood. There

1058
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are predators in the henhouse, there have always been, and

1059
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:06,079
there will always be. You better be a good fucking

1060
01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:09,360
mother hen If you're going to even lay an egg.

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Speaker 15: Know who your children.

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Speaker 6: Are hanging out with.

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Speaker 15: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Like their daughter was hanging out with this.

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Speaker 9: Robert Semen, I always think it's weird when you let

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another man into your house with your biological children, who

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isn't their dad.

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Speaker 8: All parents have a responsibility to protect their children, but

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for single parents that responsibility comes with quite a bit

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of nuance. They must safeguard their kids, and not just

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01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:45,519
from obvious dangers, but from those that might come disguised

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01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:51,599
as affection. They can't let their own needs surpass the

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01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:56,880
safety of their children, and if they do choose to

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01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:01,360
allow someone into their lives and home, they have to

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stay vigilant. The caution is essential. If that caution isn't there,

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someone like Robert Seaman can worm their way in and

1077
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:17,599
they will manipulate anyone and everyone to get what they want.

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You can't be a mom and a dumb bitch at

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01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:25,199
the same time. It just doesn't work if you are

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01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:29,320
a single parent that is also seeking romance. The hard

1081
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,880
truth is that you need to stay on guard.

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Speaker 2: It's sad.

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Speaker 8: I know it sucks, but that's the world we live

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in because in the end, nobody, not the government, not

1085
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:46,599
the courts, not the cops, will protect your kids. Only

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01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:52,039
you can do that. The innocent child named core N

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Gump died in twenty fifteen. She was only ten years old.

1088
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,760
If she were alive today, she'd be about twenty. A

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young woman just starting out her life, who knows what

1090
01:02:05,239 --> 01:02:12,159
dreams lay ahead, what possibilities lay open before her. Tragically,

1091
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the legal system and her own mother, and actually the

1092
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,679
whole fucking world, to be honest with, you failed her.

1093
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:29,360
We all failed her. Society needs to get their head

1094
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,039
out of their ass. It ain't a Disney movie. The

1095
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:40,280
real world is harsh, ugly and disgusting and people can

1096
01:02:40,400 --> 01:03:14,360
be also. Hey, go sign up for plus. Tired of begging?

1097
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,760
At least buy something to the store, store door and

1098
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,880
scale dot com. You guys are cheap as fuck? Did

1099
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,119
you know that? Anyway, I'll be here next week regardless.

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Until then, stay safe, I guess

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Speaker 7: S