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<v Speaker 1>Voters this November locally are going to be asked to

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<v Speaker 1>approve something in the area. Between all the different school

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<v Speaker 1>districts and the State Center Community College District, about two

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<v Speaker 1>billion combined dollars worth of bond measure money. This is

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<v Speaker 1>on top of Proposition two, which is a statewide ten

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollar bond measure. All of this to fund public

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<v Speaker 1>K through twelve school districts and community college is all

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<v Speaker 1>up down California. And kind of the way that this

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<v Speaker 1>works is if your local school district does a bond

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<v Speaker 1>measure and raises money, then they can get some form

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<v Speaker 1>of some degree of matching bond funding from the state.

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<v Speaker 1>So as a result, all of these different local school districts,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, all at the same time, are

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<v Speaker 1>all having a bond measure pop up. And again, let's

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<v Speaker 1>remember what a bond is. A bond is a loan

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<v Speaker 1>made to some municipal entity like a school district. The

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<v Speaker 1>school district gets all the money and then you, the taxpayers,

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay the loan back with interest, usually within

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<v Speaker 1>your property taxes. And the terms of these loans are

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<v Speaker 1>something like thirty years. My wife and I for our

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<v Speaker 1>house in Clovis we're still paying property taxes for bond

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<v Speaker 1>measures that were passed for Close Unified in two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and four, twenty twelve, twenty twenty, and now

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<v Speaker 1>we're staring down the barrel of twenty twenty four. So

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<v Speaker 1>with all of that being said, President Unified has got

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<v Speaker 1>a massive, like almost five hundred million dollars bond measure,

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<v Speaker 1>Clovis Unified as a four hundred million dollar bond measure,

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<v Speaker 1>State Center Community College District has almost set one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars bond measure. All these local school districts and

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<v Speaker 1>the community colleges are asking voters in the San Joaquin

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<v Speaker 1>Valley saying or Unified Central Unified to vote for bond

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<v Speaker 1>measures to give them money, to give them money that frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think are tied to need. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>we should ask ourselves some hard questions about how well

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<v Speaker 1>is this district really being run such that we should

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<v Speaker 1>be giving them more money for physical investment when they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have their normal educational house in order. And this

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<v Speaker 1>leads me to a fascinating story about something I did

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<v Speaker 1>not know about. An opinion piece in GV Wire written

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<v Speaker 1>by Stephen resh Mister Resh is an a retired President

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<v Speaker 1>Unified teacher. He taught English and German for thirty years

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<v Speaker 1>within Fresney, and he highlights this program called Ingenuity, which

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<v Speaker 1>I see Fresne Unified makes a lot of use of.

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<v Speaker 1>But also I'm doing a little digging Close Unified does too,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't think this is just a pure Fresney

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<v Speaker 1>Unified thing. Presny Unified's bad. Close Unified is good. Seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>this is a widespread program. What is ingenuity? Let's get started,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Resh writes, when students get their high school diplomas,

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<v Speaker 1>you assume that they've all met key standards in all

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<v Speaker 1>requisite areas. You suppose that they've all met the grade.

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<v Speaker 1>They've all made the grade.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately that hasn't always been the case during the past

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<v Speaker 1>decade or so. In Fresne Unified. It all ties in

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<v Speaker 1>with a program called Credit Recovery and a set of courses.

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<v Speaker 2>Which he puts in scare quotes, courses produced.

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<v Speaker 1>By a company called Imagine Ingenuity. Yes, it's ingenuity, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's on the edge. As previously reported in Gvwire and elsewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>credit Recovery is a way for high school students in

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<v Speaker 1>the district to dodge a failing grade in many of

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<v Speaker 1>their classes, they don't wind up with a passing mark

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<v Speaker 1>through traditional means, retaking tests, turning an extra credit, doing

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<v Speaker 1>well on a final exam. Instead, they attend ingenuity sessions

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<v Speaker 1>where they sit in front of computer screens and complete

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<v Speaker 1>watered down versions of the courses they're failing, and so

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<v Speaker 1>even though they might otherwise fail several important classes, they

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<v Speaker 1>subsequently get enough credits to attend commencement and receive diplomas.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes students are able to complete such putative courses in

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<v Speaker 1>record time, occasionally in a matter of days. Clearly, the

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<v Speaker 1>curriculum of an entire semester in biology, say where in

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<v Speaker 1>American history can hardly be covered, much less mastered under

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<v Speaker 1>such conditions. Now this is the astonishing thing. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>this is some remedial thing. Kids like failing the class.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of the harder work of making him retake

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<v Speaker 1>all the tests and or just making him retake the

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<v Speaker 1>whole course, they do these ingenuity sessions where he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of blitzes through the material, takes sort of an easier

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<v Speaker 1>version of it, and then can get some credits enough

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<v Speaker 1>to graduate enough to advance a grade level, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>further watering down our standards of achievement. Now you might think, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is for the you know, five percent of kids

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<v Speaker 1>who are kind of flunking out or you know ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent of kids who are flunking out. Fifty three percent

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<v Speaker 1>of district seniors in Fresdent Unified earn ingenuity credits. A

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<v Speaker 1>few months ago, the Office of the Interim Superintendent issued

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<v Speaker 1>a memo that shed some light on Fresendent Unified's use

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<v Speaker 1>of credit recovery through this ingenuity program. According to the

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<v Speaker 1>June twenty first memo, President Unified paid five hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one, one hundred and fifty dollars for edgenuity materials

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<v Speaker 1>and support in the twenty twenty two to twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three term. In the twenty three to twenty four term,

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<v Speaker 1>that price tag shot up to five hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand, eight hundred and fifty dollars. The memo also

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<v Speaker 1>indicated how many students have recently participated in ingenuity sessions.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out that fifty three percent of the district's

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<v Speaker 1>seniors earned at least one credit through the online ingenuity

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<v Speaker 1>curriculum doing the during the twenty twenty two to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three term. In the twenty twenty two to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three academic year, students received on average eighteen credits

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<v Speaker 1>this way. That average went down a bit last year

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<v Speaker 1>to an average of sixteen credits. At present, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>upper limit to the number of credits that students can

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<v Speaker 1>rack up using this method. So most of the seniors

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<v Speaker 1>at Front Unified, just over a majority fifty three percent,

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<v Speaker 1>are getting some of their credits through this ingenuity system,

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<v Speaker 1>not by clearly they're getting a failing grade, a non

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<v Speaker 1>passing grade, so they're not being made to retake tests,

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<v Speaker 1>not being made to retake a course. No, Instead they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing this water down sort of ingenuity thing where they

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<v Speaker 1>can kind of blitz through a whole course in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days and still get these credits enough to graduate.

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<v Speaker 1>The negative impact on learning culture. So mister Resh again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is uh. This is Stephen Resh, thirty years teacher

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<v Speaker 1>within Frostening Unified, writing about credit recovery.

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<v Speaker 2>The credit recovery.

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<v Speaker 1>Scheme of basically, you take a little online course for

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<v Speaker 1>like three days to make up for the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you fail to pass a semester lung. Using credit recovery

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<v Speaker 1>has certainly streamlined many students acquisition of course credits and

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<v Speaker 1>thus generated a significant rise in local high school graduate rates.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition, however, it's impacted school culture in significant and

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing ways. Doing edge doing the Ingenuity program has become

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<v Speaker 1>a learned behavior. As one district instructor put it to me,

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<v Speaker 1>a significant number of students, known in some teacher circles

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<v Speaker 1>as quote frequent flyers, often use credit recovery to obtain

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<v Speaker 1>passing grades with minimum effort. As a result, they tend

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<v Speaker 1>to regard traditional classroom instruction as being somewhat irrelevant. One

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<v Speaker 1>district teacher, Jeremy Wright, addressed the school board last year

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<v Speaker 1>and shared his concerns about this system. In his view,

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<v Speaker 1>the Ingenuity program has seriously impaired classroom instruction. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>credit recovery is available, a number of students no longer

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<v Speaker 1>see much point in paying attention in classes. So basically,

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<v Speaker 1>these kids all realize, well, these kids don't care about

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<v Speaker 1>the quality of the grades they get. They know that

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<v Speaker 1>they can do this much easier version of the course

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the semester, so they're all just

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<v Speaker 1>tuning out during the year, so, and it'll only take

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of days as opposed to studying over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of a whole semester. They'll just come in at

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<v Speaker 1>the end and just do their enginuity. Oh yeah, as

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<v Speaker 1>right put it. Jeremy Wright and teacher in president unified

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<v Speaker 1>to testified about this to the school board. As Right

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<v Speaker 1>put it, quote, it's insulting to us as teachers. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also insulting to the kids that did hard work and

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<v Speaker 1>pulled their grade up and got the B or C.

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<v Speaker 1>He argued that this also weakens the quality of schools,

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<v Speaker 1>no kidding. Despite the appearance of student success, the product

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<v Speaker 1>we're putting out there is more important than a graduation rate.

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<v Speaker 1>Also questionable a or some additional costs linked to the

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<v Speaker 1>way that ingenuity has been implemented. Consider that some teachers

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<v Speaker 1>are paid to oversee credit recovery sessions during summer school.

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<v Speaker 1>Students in such sessions, however, only have to report to

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<v Speaker 1>class once they've finished their ingenuity assignments. After reaching that milestone,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have to attend anymore. Why some have wondered

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<v Speaker 1>should the district pay teachers for so many weeks of

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<v Speaker 1>instruction and not require the students to attend the sessions.

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<v Speaker 1>The district has a different attitude toward credit recovery. One

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<v Speaker 1>district spokesperson told me, quote, the use of ingenuity software

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<v Speaker 1>has provided our students with valuable opportunities to attain credits

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<v Speaker 1>toward graduation. Her comments mirror the district's narrative that programs

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<v Speaker 1>like Credit Recovery serve students' interests and provide them with

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<v Speaker 1>a wide range of opportunities that they otherwise wouldn't have.

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<v Speaker 2>This is unbelievable. I had no idea about any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious how many of you knew about this. So

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<v Speaker 1>the district is defending this, and here's this teacher in

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<v Speaker 1>the trenches knows other teachers in the trenches, who is

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<v Speaker 1>telling us the kids understand that they don't really have

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<v Speaker 1>to work hard all year. They take this remedial summer

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<v Speaker 1>school online class where they can complete the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>in two or three days in some cases, get the

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<v Speaker 1>credits and then not have to show up for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the allotted summer school time when they're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing this. Meanwhile, I'm sure a union negotiated

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<v Speaker 1>contract some teachers are getting paid over summer school to

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<v Speaker 1>sit there when not all the students are even required

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<v Speaker 1>to be there. So what the heck are we even

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<v Speaker 1>talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>And all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is clearly in the service of making Fresno Unified look

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<v Speaker 1>better than it is by artificially inflating graduation rates. But

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<v Speaker 1>these kids are graduating not on the strength of what

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<v Speaker 1>you would imagine to be.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, why would someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Graduate high school because they've done the required coursework, because

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<v Speaker 1>they've attained the necessary credits, they've got enough passing grades,

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<v Speaker 1>they did what they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they're not doing the normal coursework. They're blowing off.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of these kids are blowing off the normal coursework

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<v Speaker 1>for the whole semester and then just showing up in

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<v Speaker 1>summer to do a rigorous week of school and then

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<v Speaker 1>bon voyage. Ah well, yes, feel free to advance along

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<v Speaker 1>to eleventh grade. Feel free to walk at your graduation.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. Rash the author of this piece.

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<v Speaker 1>In GV wire, and I'll retweet for my twins account

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter dot com slash president Johnny at Fresne Johnny He's

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<v Speaker 1>He then proceeds to give the standardized test scores within

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<v Speaker 1>Fresney Unified to demonstrate just how unbelievably poorly Fresenent Unified

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<v Speaker 1>students are doing. In twenty twenty three to thirty three

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the PRESNE Unified eleventh graders tested met or

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<v Speaker 1>exceeded standards. In English, only a third of them met

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<v Speaker 1>the standards, meaning sixty six percent of them did not

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<v Speaker 1>meet grade level standards in English, only twenty three percent

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<v Speaker 1>of them met or exceeded math standards, meaning seventy six

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<v Speaker 1>percent of them seventy six seventy seven percent of them

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<v Speaker 1>failed to meet math standards. Good enough at math, I

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<v Speaker 1>can I can now that up those twenty three point

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<v Speaker 1>three one percent metare exceeded, or go seventy six point

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<v Speaker 1>six percent of them did not meet. So you've got

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<v Speaker 1>three quarters of these kids are not at grade level

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<v Speaker 1>square with fresnew Unified's high graduation rates, and they suggest

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<v Speaker 1>a gaping disconnect between credits earned and educational benchmarks that

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<v Speaker 1>were actually achieved. It's hard to square the ongoing use

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<v Speaker 1>student achievement. The interim superintendent's memo reflects a solid commitment

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<v Speaker 1>to continuing credit recovery in this new school year. Fresne

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<v Speaker 1>Unified plans to continue partnering with Ingenuity in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to see how diminishing the worth of high

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<v Speaker 1>school diplomas in this fashion serves student's interests. Such individuals

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<v Speaker 1>A cross functional team has also been meeting each month,

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<v Speaker 1>according to a district spokesperson quote, to determine next steps, trends,

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<v Speaker 1>system recommendations, and best practices. Given the bogus nature of

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<v Speaker 1>possibly mean in this context, this is the district that

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million dollars. That's what this bond measure coming up

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<v Speaker 1>the way, it looks like close Unified uses this program too.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have the numbers for how many kids within

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<v Speaker 1>Clothes Unified use this program, but they're using it also.

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<v Speaker 1>When we return, we'll talk a little bit more about

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<v Speaker 1>the funding side of all this with the bond measures.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a dynamite article, Jesuis. We'll be back with

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<v Speaker 1>more on the John Girardi Show. An incredible piece in

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<v Speaker 1>it from my Twitter account Twitter dot com slash president

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny at Fresno Johnny, this is about the credit recovery

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<v Speaker 1>program that Presney Unified has through a company called Edgeenuity,

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<v Speaker 1>where basically, a kid fails a course over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of a whole semester can goof off, not pay attention,

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<v Speaker 1>not participate for a whole semester, and then after the

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<v Speaker 2>A several days long.

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<v Speaker 1>Credit recovery class. Where As this teacher, Stephen Resh who

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<v Speaker 1>watered down version of the course. You know, a whole

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<v Speaker 1>get the necessary credits from that class. And again I

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<v Speaker 1>to factor into the local discussions about school bond measures. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because clearly, if school districts are using this thing, this program,

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<v Speaker 2>This is just a.

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<v Speaker 1>As Resh pointed out, this is insulting to the teachers,

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<v Speaker 1>like why on earth should a teacher try hard all

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<v Speaker 1>and do an ingenuity class in the summer. But as

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<v Speaker 2>Why because.

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<v Speaker 1>You can pay some teacher for summer school just to

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<v Speaker 1>credit recovery ingenuity class for a couple of days, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the student leaves, but the teacher still sits there

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever is the allotted time frame. The kid doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>there the full time, earning their union negotiated I'm sure money.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the frustrating thing about this is that

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<v Speaker 1>the interests that so many of these people have, the

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<v Speaker 1>much is in schools as a jobs program for them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the Here's the teachers' union, one of the massive

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<v Speaker 1>negotiating partners in all this, within Fresney Unified. Who again,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the point of a union. The point of

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<v Speaker 1>better working additions, better benefits, et cetera for its members.

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<v Speaker 1>It's looking at this that the union exists for the members.

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<v Speaker 1>That is how you judge the effectiveness ineffectiveness of a

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<v Speaker 1>teacher's union, of any union. It's not so much focused

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<v Speaker 1>on the work product. Okay, if kids get educated, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that's maybe that's a happy buy product. But fundamentally

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<v Speaker 1>educating kids is not the job of the union. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>administrators within Fresney Unified are not so much interested in

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<v Speaker 1>off the public perception and that kids are learning. Because

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<v Speaker 1>if the public thinks kids are learning, then the superintendent,

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<v Speaker 1>the school board members overseeing at the administrators get to

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<v Speaker 1>keep their jobs, so of course they're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to look at, oh my gosh, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have such a huge dropout rate. What are we

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<v Speaker 1>actually graduate? And then along comes a program like Ingenuity,

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<v Speaker 1>this credit recovery scheme where basically, well, well the kid

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<v Speaker 1>the class for a couple of days after the semester's over,

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<v Speaker 1>after they've blown off the whole semester and uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>And then that'll allow them to graduate.

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<v Speaker 1>And fifty three percent a President Unified seniors apparently are

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<v Speaker 1>doing this credit recovery scheme for at least some credits.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is massively overinflating, Like why do the state

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<v Speaker 1>standardized test scores show that two thirds of kids in

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<v Speaker 1>Presdey Unified can't read at grade level, three quarters of

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<v Speaker 1>them can't do math at grade level, and yet their

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<v Speaker 1>graduation rates are still quite high. Well, it's because of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like this. They are advancing these kids who have

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<v Speaker 1>not actually achieved. And then they ask you for five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million dollars in a bond measure, which really means

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<v Speaker 1>you have to pay almost a billion dollars in taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>Clovis Unified is asking you for four hundred million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>It's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do we want to keep financially and physically investing

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<v Speaker 1>in schools that are committed to just fundamentally flawed visions.

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<v Speaker 1>I've said it once, I have said it a million times.

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<v Speaker 1>These schools take it as their goal. Universal college. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>who if you graduate, it means you're ready for college.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone should go to college, every universal college. Refusing to

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge that most people in America will not get a

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<v Speaker 1>to those people need gainful employment. Those people need some

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<v Speaker 1>purpose and a meaningful life. And with President Unified, with

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<v Speaker 1>so many public high school, public schools in California, we're

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<v Speaker 1>preparing kids for nothing. We are preparing they're not adequately

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<v Speaker 1>prepared for college. We keep graduating them as if they are,

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, they're prepared for. It.

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<v Speaker 1>They're prepared for a liminal flim flam three or four

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<v Speaker 1>years of maybe taking some classes at city, not sure,

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<v Speaker 1>getting into debt, maybe going to State, getting a couple

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they waste through four or five years flim flamming

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<v Speaker 1>around between president, city, president, State and don't even wind

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<v Speaker 1>up with a degree. And they want you to give

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<v Speaker 1>them five hundred million dollars for reasons that seem to

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<v Speaker 1>Just this reflexive, unthinking instinct that you need to pay

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<v Speaker 1>One of the many things I hate about how California

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<v Speaker 1>It makes everything like so ramped up and critical and important.

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<v Speaker 1>It leaves you with so few options that any objection

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<v Speaker 1>you get labeled as a nimby a not in my

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<v Speaker 1>the state in a lot of different contexts. Basically, there

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<v Speaker 1>is a dearth of housing in California. We have way

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<v Speaker 1>more people seeking homes than we have homes available. This

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<v Speaker 1>artificially inflates the prices of homes, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of local governments called nimbiism not in my backyardism. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>the bougie residents of this bougie Marine County town will

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<v Speaker 2>Et gazillionaires, or they're just homeless, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Not in my Backyardism is a kind of attitude that

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<v Speaker 1>results in local governments blocking the establishment of various kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of housing. But you also have that in confluence with

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<v Speaker 1>California environmental laws and California labor laws that make the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of construction so much higher. SEQUA, the California Environmental

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<v Speaker 1>Quality Act requires all kinds of environmental impact plans and

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<v Speaker 1>of some new house or housing complex or multi unit dwelling.

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<v Speaker 1>The City of Fresno had done one, an extensive one

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<v Speaker 1>for the city, which the courts are now saying is inadequate,

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<v Speaker 1>which could be putting a halt to like a dozen

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<v Speaker 1>projects in the Fresno area. You have the threat with

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<v Speaker 1>importing sort of NIMBI concerns about not wanting lower income housing,

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<v Speaker 1>not wanting property values to produced, et cetera, importing NIMBI values,

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<v Speaker 2>Have such a bad impact on the environment, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>We need to stop this, And people can file these

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<v Speaker 1>sequa California Environmental Quality Act lawsuits even if they are

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<v Speaker 1>not really directly impacted by the construction of this multi

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<v Speaker 1>California changes the normal American rules of legal standing. So

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<v Speaker 1>usually again, to file a lawsuit, you've got to show

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<v Speaker 1>that you were actually somehow directly harmed by some action. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>someone hits me with a car, I can sue them.

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<v Speaker 1>If someone hits my buddy with a car, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>environmental law, it's really hard to show that someone actually

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<v Speaker 1>not just you know, whacked out left wing environmental nonprofits

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<v Speaker 1>who can sue to stop some kind of construction project

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<v Speaker 1>and hold up the whole thing. You can also have

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<v Speaker 1>people who just you know, don't want their property values

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<v Speaker 1>lowered by a multi unit dwelling complex. They can jump

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<v Speaker 1>in and file a phony, baloney environmental lawsuit. You can

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<v Speaker 1>get competing builders jumping in and filing a lawsuit to

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<v Speaker 1>stop construction. And if you think about the cost and

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<v Speaker 1>the risk of like, okay, well, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>commit to building a major construction project as a builder,

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<v Speaker 1>as a real estate developer, as an investor, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's a huge additional amount of risk. That adds additional

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<v Speaker 1>cost which eventually trickles down to the consumer, making it

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<v Speaker 1>such that it's almost impossible to build housing that is

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<v Speaker 1>actually affordable to lower income people. Meaning the state, in

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<v Speaker 1>its infinite wisdom, instead of addressing all of those root problems,

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<v Speaker 1>instead subsidizes the demand, instead of doing anything to allow

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<v Speaker 1>more supply, getting rid of its environmental it's insane environmental

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<v Speaker 1>laws chipping away at the the ability of local governments

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of stop things like this. No, instead we

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<v Speaker 1>subsidize the demand. The only way that builders can afford

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<v Speaker 1>to build lower income housing units is with huge handouts

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<v Speaker 1>of cash from the state. Then there's labor union stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that forces the construction prices to go up, up, up,

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<v Speaker 1>up up up up, which that increases price. You know

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<v Speaker 1>in red states where they don't really have much homelessness

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<v Speaker 1>at all, how does this work. Well, they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>insane environmental laws. Construction workers make a normal amount of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Cities don't have as much ability to zone and restrict things.

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<v Speaker 2>And so people just build more stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>They build more stuff, and they don't have as many

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<v Speaker 1>homeless people.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Fresno is unfortunate in the sense that I think our

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<v Speaker 1>city council on this issue is full of fairly reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>people with a fairly reasonable spectrum of opinions. But the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is any one side or the other can get

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<v Speaker 1>really bitter at each other if they disagree, because there

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<v Speaker 1>just aren't a lot of options left. Okay, we want

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<v Speaker 1>to build, we want to convert some hotel to housing

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<v Speaker 1>for more homeless people. Some city council members are concerned

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<v Speaker 1>about it because there's a cannabis dispensary and a liquor

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<v Speaker 1>store right nearby, and says, hey, maybe this isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>great idea, And then they get blowbacks, ay, oh what

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<v Speaker 1>is this nimbi as, Oh, you just hate the whole

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want any housing. You want all the homeless

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<v Speaker 1>people out on the street. No, I don't want homeless

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<v Speaker 1>people out on the street. But you're talking about setting

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<v Speaker 1>this up right next to a cannabis dispensary, right next

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<v Speaker 1>to a liquor store?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that really a good idea?

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<v Speaker 1>And the urgency of it gets ramped up to eleven

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<v Speaker 1>because there just aren't a lot of options.

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<v Speaker 2>There aren't a lot of options.

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<v Speaker 1>Builders have only so many places where they can build,

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<v Speaker 1>only so many ways they can start projects without facing

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<v Speaker 1>environmental lawsuits, only so many opportunities to obtain state funding,

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<v Speaker 1>and usually you need the local government to.

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<v Speaker 2>Support you to obtain state funding.

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<v Speaker 1>So this dynamic is at play right now within the

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<v Speaker 1>City of Fresno over a couple of housing projects. So

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<v Speaker 1>Dot Mayor Jerry Dyer spoke Friday at Fresno Housing That's

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<v Speaker 1>nonprofit Fresno Housing's first inaugural State of Affordable Housing luncheon,

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<v Speaker 1>alongside Fresno Housing CEO Tyrone Roderick, Williams County Supervisor Nathan Maxick,

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<v Speaker 1>State Housing and Development Director Gustavo Velaskaz, and others, dire

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<v Speaker 1>emphasized the central role the city plays and securing funding

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<v Speaker 1>for housing, especially affordable housing. So yeah, so again, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way it's financially sustainable to build multi unit

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<v Speaker 1>dwellings for lower income people because again the state makes

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<v Speaker 1>it way too expensive. Ever to do that, you need

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<v Speaker 1>a state subsidy to make the thing financially feasible. The

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<v Speaker 1>city is the one that goes to the state to

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<v Speaker 1>ask for those subsidies. Local government must drive housing. If not,

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<v Speaker 1>our unhoused population will increase dramatically, DIYers said, But the

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<v Speaker 1>city council may not be on the same page. In

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<v Speaker 1>the stories in Gvware, Council members have twice in the

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<v Speaker 1>past eight months denied multi family housing projects. One vote

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<v Speaker 1>in July rejected a four story market rate apartment complex

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<v Speaker 1>at Herndon and Prospect Avenues. In December twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>the council turned down in an affordable housing project at

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<v Speaker 1>Bullard and Fresno Air Avenues it had previously approved, and

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<v Speaker 1>on August seventh, the state's Housing Department sent a letter

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<v Speaker 1>acquired by Gvwire to Diyer's administration saying the decision thretens

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<v Speaker 1>the city's required housing goals. Now there's this discussion about

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<v Speaker 1>the Quality Inn located at Bullard, just a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>east of the forty one, in between the forty one

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<v Speaker 1>and Theesta Street. The Quality In conversion proposed by rh

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<v Speaker 1>Community Builders and Upholdings would have provided fifty eight units

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<v Speaker 1>of affordable housing, with thirty dedicated to the chronically homeless. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's this old quality in there. They want to

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<v Speaker 1>turn it into affordable housing, have thirty of the units

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to the homeless. In April of twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>the council unanimously agreed to submit an application to request

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<v Speaker 1>home key funding to convert the motel into housing. In November,

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<v Speaker 1>the state granted the project sixteen point five million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>After vocal opposition by some neighbors to the project, Council

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<v Speaker 1>members Miguel Arius, Gary Brettfeld, Microbossi Tyler Maxwell and Luis

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<v Speaker 1>Chavez denied the project on a technicality. Council members on

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<v Speaker 1>Alisa Pirea and Nelsa Sparza support of the project. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>gv wire has this map showing the proposed site, which

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<v Speaker 1>again it's on It's at Bullard and Theesta Avenue, just

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit east of forty one. There's a housing

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<v Speaker 1>project right next door, a cannabis dispensary right next door

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<v Speaker 1>to that a liquor store. Opponents of the project talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the blight brought by homelessness. Project developers during the

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<v Speaker 1>council meeting said property management ensures safety among residents. So,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the thing, Like, I kind of think people

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<v Speaker 1>on both sides of this are fairly reasonable people, and

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<v Speaker 1>their concerns are fairly reasonable. On the one hand, Asparsa

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<v Speaker 1>and Perea are saying, hey, we got to build something,

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta build something somewhere here, an opportunity to let's

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<v Speaker 1>do it. On the other side, you've got you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just right. It's not just a right winger

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Breadfeld. No, it's not just Gary. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Bredefeld gets painted as this right wing, wild eyed

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<v Speaker 1>right winger. He's a really pretty reasonable person. So him

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<v Speaker 1>and Carbasi and all these other Tyler Maxwell, all these

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<v Speaker 1>other members are saying, hey, it's right next door to

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<v Speaker 1>a cannabis dispensary.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 1>So these legitimate concerns, legitimate disagreements that would otherwise be

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<v Speaker 1>the result of normal give and take, they get ramped

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<v Speaker 1>up to eleven that the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, Oh, you're not doing enough for housing.

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<v Speaker 1>No one can do enough for housing under the conditions

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<v Speaker 1>that California sets when we return. My continued frustration with

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump and Dvance campaign and messaging on abortion. That's

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<v Speaker 1>next on the John Girardi Show. I gotta confess I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting more and more down in the dumps about this election,

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<v Speaker 1>not only my conviction that Kamala Harris can win, but

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<v Speaker 1>also the messaging from the Trump Vance camp about abortion.

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<v Speaker 1>On one of the weekend shows, Vance said that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>would not sign any kind of national abortion prohibition that

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<v Speaker 1>came across his desk. Trump tweets out or truth socials out, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>that his administration will be great for women and their

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<v Speaker 1>reproductive rights, reproductive rights, and now we're using the euphemism

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<v Speaker 1>of the pro abortion side.

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<v Speaker 2>All I want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Hear from them is one statement, one statement that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>appoint the same kinds of judges we had did did

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<v Speaker 1>in the first Trump administration, and we will cut off

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<v Speaker 1>federal abortion funding in the ways we did in the

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<v Speaker 1>first Trump administration. That's all I want to hear, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're not giving it to me. I'm really afraid of

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<v Speaker 1>the direction the Republican Party is going. I'm really afraid,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think so. Some people are gonna just have

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<v Speaker 1>faith in Trump that he's gonna do the right thing

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<v Speaker 1>when he comes into office. Some pro life is doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really think the pro life movement deserves a

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<v Speaker 1>little more than this. It's really frustrating. That'll do it,

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<v Speaker 1>John Girardi Show, See you next time on Power Talk.
