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Every 50 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:29.680 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 51 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:33.960 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 52 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:37.199 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 53 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:53.000 Good Evening. She was his second wife to die. Coming 54 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:56.039 off a failed marriage, a beautiful woman named Tony joined 55 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:59.919 an online dating site hoping to find true and lasting love. 56 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:04.719 Harold Henhorn seemed like her dream come true, a handsome 57 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:07.919 man who said he had a heart for others. Only 58 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:11.680 weeks after meeting, they were wed. But Tony's family began 59 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:16.719 noticing Harold's dark side, especially his controlling nature, which Tony 60 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:19.439 didn't seem to mind until she met her end at 61 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:23.000 the bottom of a ravine. Was he a grieving husband 62 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.159 or a black widower. Harold's tearful story of his wife's 63 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:31.080 hiking accident just didn't hold up with Tony's family or 64 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:35.199 the police. Then a shocking truth was uncovered. Twenty years 65 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:38.759 before Harold's first wife had also died suspiciously in a 66 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:43.599 remote area with no witnesses. Soon, more questions arose, who 67 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:47.919 was Harold Hendhorn a devoted, grief stricken husband or a cold, 68 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:51.560 calculating killer. Could authorities find a way to connect his 69 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:55.439 wife's deaths and expose the truth? Book that were featuring 70 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:59.120 this evening as The Black Widower, a beautiful doctor, her 71 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:02.800 seemingly perfect a husband, and a chilling death with my 72 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:06.919 special guest journalist and author Michael Fleeman. Welcome back to 73 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:08.960 the program, and thank you very much for agreeing to 74 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:13.919 this interview. Michael Fleeman, thanks for having me, Dan, thank 75 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:18.319 you very much. Welcome back. Incredible story here, The Black Widower. 76 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.639 As you do with this, let's just jump right into 77 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:26.399 this story because we have a lot to cover and 78 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:32.360 it's an amazing, involved, heartbreaking, and interesting and fascinating story. 79 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:36.240 So let's get right to Harold and Tony Hanhorn as 80 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:38.439 you do in the beginning of your book. They're at 81 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:41.839 Deer Mountain and they're middle aged couple and they've spent 82 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:46.279 the night at this Stanley Hotel in ST's Park, Colorado, 83 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:50.879 celebrating their twelfth anniversary. And this is September twenty ninth, 84 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:55.560 twenty twelve. Can you take it from there what they 85 00:04:55.639 --> 00:05:00.839 did after this anniversary? And they say what they were, 86 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:04.519 what he had planned, what they had planned together, what 87 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:08.079 they were going to do as part of this twelfth anniversary. 88 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:15.120 Sure, this was a very romantic weekend that Harold had 89 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:20.399 meticulously planned for his wife for their anniversary. He in fact, 90 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:22.399 had not even told her that they were going to 91 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:26.920 go away that weekend, and he had conspired with her 92 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.720 coworkers to not tell them. And he showed up at 93 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.959 a work and whisked her off to the Stanley Hotel 94 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.959 in Estes Park, is a gorgeous, big historic hotel and 95 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:42.720 a beautiful, beautiful location in Colorado in the Rocky Mountains, 96 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:46.560 and they spend the night, they wake up the next morning. 97 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:52.000 He had made reservations that night at a steakhouse for 98 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:56.040 dinner for their anniversary dinner, and during the day he 99 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:58.839 had made plans for them to take a hike up 100 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:03.079 Dear Mountain. And this is a trail that goes several 101 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:08.680 miles up to an overlook really on the on the 102 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:12.079 edge of the Rocky Mountains, where you can see for 103 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:17.079 miles and miles in every direction, and so before there, 104 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:20.000 before their dinner, they were going to take a hike, 105 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:21.399 and that's what they did. 106 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:29.120 Now, just for those people that are interested in hiking, 107 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:32.399 and just to explain this as well, there is a 108 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:37.000 ratings on the trail difficulty. Now, what was the trail 109 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:41.079 difficulty at that time and basically overall, what was it 110 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:44.560 considered what they were planning to do, followed the trail 111 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:48.439 the way everyone would, what was the difficulty and so 112 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:53.120 what was the risk of of anything happening likely in 113 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:54.959 this during this hike? 114 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:58.360 This is not a not a stroll in the park. 115 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:03.399 The trail is rated moderate, which for some of us 116 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:08.879 who are over fifty, moderate can seem very difficult. There 117 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:12.519 were some The trail, like I said, goes for several miles, 118 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:17.680 it's steeped, there's switchbacks, it goes over rocks. You know, 119 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:22.240 we're talking a very high altitude in the Rocky mountains. 120 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.360 It is fall, so you know if something goes wrong, 121 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:30.560 the temperatures are going to drop to freezing overnight. So 122 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:35.120 you know this is this is not an easy nature hike. 123 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:41.120 Now you talk about the where they set out and 124 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:47.600 you describe their venture, and also that there's these well 125 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:51.480 worn paths. But tell us what they as the day 126 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:57.839 wears on again, increasing the difficulty, increasing the risk is 127 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:00.879 spending too much time out there, as you say, before 128 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.759 temperatures drop and before they lose the sun. And so 129 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:10.240 what do they do despite what might people might characterize 130 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:11.879 as risky behavior? What did they do? 131 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.000 Well? They went off the trail, which anybody who goes 132 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.399 to a national park knows you're not supposed to do 133 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:23.240 for good reason. They they veered off the trail and 134 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:29.839 went down a very kind of steep, rocky incline. It's 135 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:36.240 it's through a bunch of trees and it takes them 136 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:40.480 to what looks like the edge of the earth, to 137 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:46.360 a cliff with hundreds of feet to drop below. It's 138 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:48.879 they called it a knob or a precipice, or whatever 139 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:50.879 you want to call it, but it's just a rocky 140 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:55.039 outcropping which has a spectacular view. But it took them, 141 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:57.799 you know, a mile or so off the beaten path, 142 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.519 away from the trail that the rain want you to 143 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:00.879 stay on. 144 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:06.759 At some point you put that they are using cameras 145 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:10.679 and are taking photos. And Tony, which is fifty years old, 146 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.440 was taking a photo. As we we find out later. 147 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:21.879 Everything's recorded these days digitally, So let's talk about what 148 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:28.600 the next thing that happens and what Harold Henhorns responses, Sure, 149 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:30.039 so the whole the. 150 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:32.720 Whole morning, we know exactly what they did because they 151 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:34.960 took pictures. They took pictures in the car, on their 152 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:38.240 phone and on her camera. They took pictures on the hike. 153 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:40.559 It looks like somebody else might have even snapped a 154 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:47.240 picture of them. They look happy and Tony. Tony always 155 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:50.559 put on her makeup and did her hair, and you know, 156 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.200 even even for a grungy hike, she she wanted to 157 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:55.240 look her best. So we know everything that went on. 158 00:09:55.440 --> 00:10:00.759 And while they're out on this rocky precipice, according to 159 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:09.120 according to Harold, they're looking for wildlife. And you know, 160 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:14.200 he's he's taking a picture of Tony. Uh, he says. 161 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:18.519 He gets a text message from they have a young daughter, 162 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:22.120 and got a tech text message from the babysitter with 163 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:26.360 an update on the daughter's soccer game that day, and 164 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:28.360 out of the corner of his eye he sees a 165 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:33.360 blur and he looks up on this rocky outcropping and 166 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:34.240 Tony is gone. 167 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.279 Now what does he do right away? And what is 168 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.360 his message to nine one one. 169 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:44.519 What happens, Well, he right away does not call nine 170 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:46.360 one one. He does have his cell phone with him 171 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.360 and he kind of looks out over the over the 172 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:55.879 ledge thinks he sees Tony far below on the ground. 173 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:00.879 She's wearing kind of a bright pink shirt sweaters, so 174 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:05.399 she's easy to spot. And he shimmis and crawls and 175 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:09.159 makes his way down down down the mountain takes him 176 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:14.120 about forty forty five minutes to where he finds his 177 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:20.440 wife badly, badly injured from a long fall, you know, 178 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.080 fifty hundred feet it looks like to him, And that's 179 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:27.279 when he calls nine to one one looking for help. 180 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:34.519 Now they ask him certain questions and what is his response? 181 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.720 They ask him questions like do you do you know 182 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:40.840 how to do CPR? What's his response? And then what 183 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:43.799 are the directions they give him? And they back and 184 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.960 forth between him and that operation. 185 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.039 Well, he's the He first gives them their their location 186 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:57.559 and he's talking to a like an emergency operator of 187 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:00.960 the parks service, and he tells in their location and 188 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:06.480 he becomes increasingly frustrated with the dispatcher because he wants 189 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:11.360 them to send, you know, one of those rescue helicopters, 190 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.000 to get them right away and send a helicopter. I'll 191 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:17.960 pay for it, you know. And you know, he tells 192 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.080 them his wife's not doing very well, and you know, 193 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:22.360 they say, we can't just land helicopter there on the 194 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.559 side of the mountain. This gets him annoyed, and and 195 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:29.519 they they tell him, look, you've got to do CPR 196 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:33.440 on her, and they transfer him to a police officer 197 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:36.559 as to Spark police who's going to lead him through 198 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:39.480 CPR and kind of explains how do you do the 199 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:45.080 chess compressions and breathing into the mouth. And the police 200 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:49.799 officer gets these instructions, and after about thirty seconds, Harold say, yeya, 201 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:52.559 I already did that, and she said, well, you know 202 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:54.960 we need to do this. No, no, no, I've already 203 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.440 think cared that. And so his behavior is somewhat odd. 204 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:05.200 And all this time it's getting darker and colder, and 205 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.679 a ranger has been dispatched to try to find them 206 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.159 and can't seem to find them, and so he doesn't 207 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:16.519 seem to want to do CPR. He's becoming testy and 208 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:19.879 irritable with the dispatcher for not sending the helicopter and 209 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:22.759 he's starting to get testing irritable about why this ranger 210 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:23.559 hasn't shown up. 211 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:30.919 Does he make any other calls at that time as well? 212 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:36.759 He does his wife's brother. She has two brothers, and 213 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:42.919 one of them is a cardiologist, and he calls and texts, actually, 214 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:46.720 he calls and texts the cardiologist and you know, he's 215 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:54.080 he's giving Tony's vital signs and you know, telling them 216 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:55.960 kind of giving him an update on the health. And 217 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:59.240 you know, the brother is looking at these vital signs 218 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:03.039 and you know, the pulse and respiration and it's not 219 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.720 making a lot of sense to him. The brother, of course, 220 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:10.879 is extremely extremely worried about what's going on with his sister. 221 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:18.879 And the he has the suspicions arise, but he doesn't 222 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:21.720 think anything of it. He's overwhelmed with this, just concern 223 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:26.320 for his sister. Then you talk about a ranger, a 224 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:33.879 forest ranger or a pardon me, a park ranger. Farity, yeah, charity, 225 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:36.279 and he shows up on the scene and what does he. 226 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:44.799 Witness immediately well, so he's finally sure the ranger, the 227 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:50.360 forest ranger, National Park Service ranger finally finds the two 228 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.679 of them at the bottom of this bottom of this 229 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:54.480 hill and the bottom of this cliff. 230 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:58.480 And it's an odd scene. You know, it looks like 231 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.639 Tony has been dragged across the ground. Harold has started 232 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:10.080 a little fire in the corner, and Verdy goes up 233 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:14.799 and looks at looks at Tony and and realizes she's dead. 234 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:25.200 And the the idea that he would have done CPR 235 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:29.279 on her, what did he notice concerning the claim later 236 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:31.840 that when he when he looked at it, of the 237 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:38.240 or the idea that anyone would be performing CPR, that 238 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:39.039 may not happen. 239 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.720 Yeah, it seems kind of odd because it looks like 240 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:46.559 Tony has fallen off a cliff. She crashed into some 241 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.360 pine trees on the way down, and you know, it 242 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.360 just doesn't look like he had done any CPR whatsoever. 243 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:02.159 Now, how do they proceed with Tony? What do they do? 244 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:04.639 You say, they can't bring in a helicopter, but how. 245 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.159 Yeah, they can't, you know. So they got to get 246 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.159 Harold out of there, and he's his wife's dead, and 247 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.840 so he has called some friends from the side of 248 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.039 the mountain to pick him up at the trailhead, and 249 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:23.919 so some other rangers spend the night there with Tony's body, 250 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:28.759 while Harold meets his friends at the trailhead. Now means 251 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:32.480 he's got to trudge three or so miles back to 252 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:34.120 where they started their hike. 253 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.639 So does anybody officially at that time have any reservations 254 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.080 about him and about Harold and his involvement in this 255 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:49.000 at all, And and if such as they often do 256 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.840 with police, do they set up an interview with him? 257 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:54.600 What's how with sure? 258 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.559 So ranger faridee. He's a ranger, you know, with the 259 00:16:57.720 --> 00:16:59.679 smoky bear hat and all that. But what a lot 260 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:04.000 of people don't realize is that in national parks rangers 261 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:08.480 can also double as police officers. You can have detectives. 262 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:13.680 So he's a trained investigator as well as a forest 263 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:19.279 park ranger. And so he's very suspicious of Harold. The 264 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:23.319 dispatcher was very suspicious. The cop who is on the 265 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.039 line with him, you know, trying to get him induced 266 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:31.400 farr was suspicious. And so you know, it's late, it's 267 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:35.079 been a long day, so they rage. Ferdy makes arrangements 268 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:39.599 to talk to Harold the next day to do an interview, 269 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:41.759 kind of figure out what had happened. 270 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:47.519 And how does he approach him because he has the 271 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:51.759 official what he was told and now he has a 272 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:56.480 chance at some point to examine that crime scene more carefully. 273 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:02.680 So how does he approach approach Harold about this information. 274 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:06.079 Yeah, I mean at this point that night, they don't 275 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:08.359 think of it as a crime scene so much as 276 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:12.200 just a death scene. You know, it's a They preserve it, 277 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:17.599 they're careful, but there's no real official suspicion that it's 278 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:22.319 a crime. You know, it's a busy weekend in the park. 279 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:26.599 A lot of people fall in national parks and hurt themselves, 280 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:34.319 and so he's verity proceeding carefully, but he has his suspicions, 281 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:38.640 and he has his suspicions that this is not an accident. 282 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:46.519 And one of the things he does. Harold has this 283 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:49.799 jeep that he drove to the trailhead, but his friends 284 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.400 picked him up, So, you know, he leaves the jeep 285 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:55.599 with the park service people and and hands them the 286 00:18:55.640 --> 00:19:00.119 keys and lets them look into the jeep. And one 287 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:01.839 of the first things they do is they go through 288 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:06.480 the jeep and they find a map of Rocky Mountain 289 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:10.599 National Park in the jeep, and they open up the 290 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:16.279 map and right there with a big X is the 291 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:20.359 spot where they found Tony's body. Wow. 292 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:28.039 No, they don't confront him about that X or or 293 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:30.240 they don't push it's. 294 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:34.240 What they play it. Yeah, they play it kind of cool. 295 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:41.160 Faridy does go to Harold's house and interviews him, conducts 296 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:46.640 a formal interview, and if Harold's behavior was odd on 297 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:51.200 the phone on the mountain, it was even stranger by daytime. 298 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:57.799 He didn't seem overly concerned about his wife's death. I 299 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:01.720 think he shows the raiders like photos a slide show 300 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:03.920 he was putting together for the funeral. He was very 301 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.720 proud of his slide show. He was kind of a braggart, 302 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.720 uh self involved, wanted to talk about himself a lot. 303 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:18.720 Didn't seem to have any sadness much about his wife 304 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:22.160 dying in a horrible fashion and him being unable to 305 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:27.759 save her life. He gets the story again from Harold, 306 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:29.799 you know what, you know, what were you doing up there? 307 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:31.759 And you know why did you go off the trail? 308 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:34.519 And Harold's well, we we wanted to have romantic time. 309 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:37.799 You know, it was our anniversary. You know, it didn't 310 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:40.599 make a lot of sense that you would, you know, 311 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:43.039 go off the trail and shim me down all these 312 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:47.640 rocks and you know, put yourself at risk. They asked 313 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:50.480 Harold about his dinner plans that I know, yeah, we 314 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:53.519 made reservations. Well, the timing of the reservations there was 315 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:55.160 no way they were going to get back in time 316 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:58.160 to make to make that steakhouse reservation. 317 00:20:59.799 --> 00:20:59.960 You know. 318 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.680 They they don't, as I recall, confront him immediately about 319 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:10.599 this X because his behavior is so suspicious. The ranger 320 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:14.400 one wants to play it cool, and two knows he's 321 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:17.720 going to have to call in, you know, a detective, 322 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.680 somebody who is a trained detective, and that's what they do. 323 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:26.519 At the same time, they bring in the new detective 324 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:31.640 and with far more experience they look into They ask him, 325 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:36.440 Howard or Harold, pardon me about insurance and whether he 326 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:39.000 would have any be a beneficiary. What does he tell 327 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:41.200 him about the yes, does they have? 328 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:44.000 And as I recall, it was, you know, three hundred 329 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:49.200 and fifty four hundred thousand dollars in life insurance might 330 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:51.519 even been a little bit more than that. On on Tony, 331 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.119 she's an ophthalmologist, you know, he tells him he's a 332 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.480 business consultant. He does consulting with nonprofit organization, a very 333 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:03.720 nice house in a Denver suburb, so you know, she's 334 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.079 not overly insured for the people of that station. And 335 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:10.559 he says, Harold tells the ranger, Yeah, we have this 336 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:13.119 insurance on her life, but all the money goes to 337 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:16.400 their daughter, who's like eight or nine years old. So 338 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:19.519 that's that's what he tells about the. 339 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:27.680 Assurance you talk about. On October first, twenty twelve, doctor 340 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:32.839 Wilkinson the Emmy for Larimer County. What does he conclude 341 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:35.680 from that examination? 342 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:39.640 Yeah, so he's the he's the corner. Then does the 343 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:42.319 does the autopsy on the body, and he finds what 344 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:44.640 you might expect when somebody falls off a cliff and 345 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:49.400 the body was was really ravaged, lots of broken bones 346 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:53.079 and internal injuries. But he finds something kind of interesting, 347 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:58.799 which is that her her breastbone, her sternum was not broken. 348 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:06.559 And normally, when somebody, especially an amateur, is performing chess 349 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:11.920 compressions or CPR, will you will have some injuries, some 350 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:15.960 bruising or even a broken bone there. And so just 351 00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:22.359 from that examination, it appears appears that Harold did not 352 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:27.400 perform CPR, and so you know, you have to ask 353 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:31.400 yourself well, why did he claim he performed CPR when 354 00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:37.119 he didn't. And so the medical examiner does not give 355 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:40.079 He gives a cause of death, which is, you know, 356 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:43.160 a fall from a high distance onto the ground, but 357 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:49.039 the manner of death. He says that a homicide cannot 358 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.640 be ruled out. He just doesn't come to a conclusion. 359 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:55.200 He refuses to say it was an accident. 360 00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:02.440 Right now, you cut to how Tony and who Tony is? 361 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.000 He said, she's a successful doctor. And one day in 362 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:10.200 nineteen ninety nine, she sees a photo of a handsome 363 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:14.319 man in his forties. Were we claiming to be in 364 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:17.279 his forties on a dating site? Tell us about what 365 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:19.519 kind of site she was looking at and what kind 366 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:21.319 of person Tony was. 367 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:24.960 Yeah, So Tony grew up in the South, in Mississippi. 368 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:28.559 She came from a very wealthy family. They were in 369 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:32.039 the oil business the hen Thorns, and father owned an 370 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.720 oil business. Her other brother was in the oil business. 371 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:38.359 Mother was a nurse. So she grew up in very 372 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:42.079 well to household. She was kind of a jock growing up. 373 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:46.400 She was very athletic, played basketball and other sports, and 374 00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:52.079 very very smart, very very smart. And so after high school, 375 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:55.000 I think she went to I want to say old 376 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:59.759 miss I can't remember, but went to college and pre med, 377 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:04.319 went to medical school and became an opthalmologist, an eye doctor. 378 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:12.079 And after graduation or she she married briefly and uh, 379 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:15.920 it didn't work out, got divorced and it was very 380 00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:21.039 very embarrassed by that and felt that she had failed 381 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:26.400 and it was her fault. So she blugs along as 382 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.079 an optthalmologist in Mississippi, remains close to her family. She's 383 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:35.880 very very religious, devoutly religious, and a very good kind soul, 384 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:39.000 just the kind of person who always has something nice 385 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:43.119 to say to everybody. She volunteers her time for sick kids, 386 00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:46.480 and you know, she does charity work and and and 387 00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:50.119 she's just this warm, wonderful person and it's amazing that 388 00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:53.720 you know, nobody would would would fall in love with her. 389 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:58.279 And she doesn't tell her parents this, but she secretly 390 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:02.039 goes on a dating website. It's called Christian Mingle. It's 391 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:07.799 a it's a website for Christians, and she comes across 392 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:13.720 this profile of a man who seems, frankly from his profile, 393 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:15.599 too good to be true and even by the kind 394 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:17.720 of standards of you know, people are always trying to 395 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:20.000 put out their their best pace forward on a dating site. 396 00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:25.319 And this guy just seems perfect. Yeah, you know, he's successful. Uh, 397 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:29.519 you knows, he's a businessman. He loves the outdoors, long 398 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:33.839 strolls on the beach and you know, and he's devoutly religious, 399 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.440 and and you know he's looking for you know, looking 400 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:40.920 for somebody just like Tony. He's She calls up the photo. 401 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:44.559