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A great, we got the past breakup King, we got

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Speaker 3: What's that below?

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Speaker 4: What's that being? What's going on? Man? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Just living the dream man, working and enjoying the snow.

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I know you are as well.

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Speaker 4: You know, I didn't even know it's knowing. Ron just

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told me when you call me, I've.

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Speaker 1: Been working inside all day. You have to open up

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the windows, dude.

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Speaker 4: I've been working like Hebrew in the Old Testament. You

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know what I'm saying. I need I need Moses to

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camp save me. So I'm I'm I'm happy. I'm happy

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you wanted me young because it's a nice little uh

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little break, little break, Yeah for sure. Oh and by

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the way, I was listening earlier. Uh you gotta tell

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g man if he if he's gonna sin, he's got

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to go all the way through with it, all the way.

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Speaker 1: He can't just like show up to the author of

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sin and then walk away.

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Speaker 4: Are come on, man, you already you already, you already

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in like you in was d you might as well.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe he admitted to that. He's like, I

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went all the way to Healo River Casino. I walked in,

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but I didn't do anything.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Do you believe with you buying or

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selling that?

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Speaker 4: I mean when he said that, I was like, I

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finally got a partner to go to uh wind over

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with now No, so uh I was kind of excited.

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But look, we'll go in the book, in the Book

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of Revelation, when you know God is talking to the

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seven churches, what's the church that he hates the most,

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the one that's luke warm. You gotta choose be hot

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or cold? Sin or be good.

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Speaker 1: So that's where he fails, the sin or be right.

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Speaker 3: Just don't be lukewarm.

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Speaker 4: Don't be luke warm.

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Speaker 1: U no way, jose Well, there is something to that,

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like because you like you have to. When you sin,

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you learn real quick that you're like, all right, I

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should be doing this. Like there's a repercussion, and it

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pushes you towards the righteous lukewarm, you're just kind of

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sitting there in between not doing anything, not progressing and

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not regressing.

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Speaker 3: You're just kind of like, eh, I see.

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Speaker 1: Why the Lord said he spew with you out right

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if you're lukeath warm.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, exactly, that's exactly right, man. And I

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think you know when you were parents, so I think

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it's more of like you know, when your your your

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kids are doing good and they're living righteous and they're

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following your your you know, the rule of the house

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and everything, yeah, the counsel and everything. You you you know,

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you bless them as much as you can. And then

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when they're being hard head, it counts to a point

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where they're like, You're like, I'm not gonna I'm not

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even gonna bother with him no more, you know what

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I mean? And Uh, I think you know your hand

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gets taken off of yourself, so you you do it initially,

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can trust me, I've been there. Initially it does feel

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nice and you feel free, but like you said, you

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hit rock bottom really fast, especially if you have the knowledge.

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But gee, man, if you're listening, Man, when you get

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back on free this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Be low on the show. Former b YU great below. Uh,

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let's talk BYU hooped.

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Speaker 3: For a moment. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever seen this many injuries

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from a basketball team. When you see this many injuries right, like,

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and there's some non contact ones, you have acls, you

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have foot and ankle, you have hand injuries, there's you know,

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some contact once as well. Do you begin to wonder like, hey,

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is there something a miss? Is there something awry? Are

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these just freak accidents? Give me your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'm happy you brought that up, man,

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because I literally was just thinking about that the other day.

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And you and I, we both are very analytical. Data

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is key when it comes to decision making and patterns, right,

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and so when you look at the injuries, you can

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it's very easy to say that something should probably change

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within the training room and the staff. I'm not saying

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anything on a negative, you know, to anybody specifically, you

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know when it comes to that staff or their workout

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regiments or anything like that. But you've got to start

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taking a look at the data and trying to figure out,

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you know, what's really going on. And with BYU football,

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we've seen this, you know, I think over the last

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ten years and independence right, and they've turned things around tremendously.

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getting before. And I remember that one season where everybody

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had like it was like thirteen ankle sprains or something

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like that. Something our twenty one ankle sprains. It was.

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It was crazy and we were and we were we

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were debating like is it the cleats? Is it the grass?

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that's there. Is it the workouts that they're doing? Something new?

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look at it and you know, make some changes and

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who knows it could it could be the type of

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workouts that they're doing. It could be you know, certain

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workouts that are back to back, not giving enough guys

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rest or maybe they're not, you know, getting strong in

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certain areas. It could be a lot of things, man,

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So yeah, I agree with you there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's it's you know, it got to

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be concerned.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: I I hate to see all these injuries, devastating, to

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see the attrition. And I'm sure they're going to look,

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you know, long and deep into this and see what

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they can find out from by nutrition strict the conditioning

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standpoint and athletic training standpoint, all of those things.

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Speaker 4: Hey, well, hey, hey, you heard about the you know,

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you know me, I'm I'm a conspiracy guy. Oh he

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heard about the conspiracy with the forty nine ers, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I did. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Is there some EMF that we don't know about down

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there in Provo?

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Speaker 4: It's a thing, it's a thing. So quick story. Oh well,

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I don't know about Provo. I'm just saying, I'm just

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saying the theory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're a Bay Area you're a Bay Area

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boy anyway, right right, right, right.

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Speaker 4: Of course, And so so with me. Remember when I

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took it like a year and a half, two years

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off of media because my health problems. Sure, so so

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we gotta be back on my feet and what I

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uncovered was that my my I had a lot of

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heavy metals in my body. And you can go and

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you can get tested right and with with e MS.

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If you are in high like radiation areas, it messes

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up your it messes up your body, and specifically, it

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messes up the water that's that's in your body. And

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our body is made up of, you know what, seventy

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eighty percent of water, and it takes so it takes

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the oxygen out. And when it comes to oxygen and

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your cells to actually run right and and produce and

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and do your body needs, it's damaged. And so once

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of outside of my blood bohen, I got back on

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my feet. So you can imagine, you know, pl And

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so what I also did, I bought a little tool

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levels all the way around. And so I turned I

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turned off my Wi Fi at night. I don't sleep

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up my phone. I got blue lights on, I got

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blue light glasses, blue light, blue light blocker glasses, a

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whole bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I give you that protocol. Man, I may even need

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to implement that at my house.

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Speaker 4: I got you, dude, Hey, sleep I sleep way better

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now like I recovered better faster. It's it's it's crazy, man,

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I got.

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Speaker 1: We need to implement that, and I think in our home. Man,

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I want to I want to make the I need

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to make my sleep even better, make my body even better.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk to.

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Speaker 1: Some camp Killainey twenty twenty six, springball. You know, biggest

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question marks for you in spring that you need answered?

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Speaker 3: What would they be? And why? Is it?

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Speaker 1: QB two? Is it RB two? Is it offensive line?

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Is it who who's gonna step up that wide receiver

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and and replace Parker Kingston and and Chase Roberts. Is

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it something on the defensive side of the ball. Is

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it special teams, kicker, punter?

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Speaker 3: What do you got?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think for me, the number one thing is

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the receiving group. You know, since since Parker left, you know,

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he was he was projected to be, you know, the

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number one guy this year. And then obviously you know

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punt return too, which which sucks you get you get

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at least one or two you know, uh touchdowns a

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season from him and really good field position. So those

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two like punt return, But then obviously you know who's

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gonna be the guy who's gonna who's gonna step up?

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And I don't know. I like the kid from Oregon.

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I saw a couple of highlights on on on Twitter.

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I did a little bit of research just when I

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was looking through some of the comments, and you know,

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a lot of fans and people close to him was like, man,

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this is a really athletic kid. He he had a

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he had a bright future ahead of him if he

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could stay healthy. You know, so we all know that

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health plays a huge role, and he could stay healthy,

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which I think he can coming over to the b

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YU football program and and everything that that you know,

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we do for our athletes. So he somebody to keep

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an eye on that I'm looking at. But man, you

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got a lot of guys that played and have experience,

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but not impactful experience, you know what I mean. Like

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when you look at the production of guys that are

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got snaps, but I mean were they were they impactful production?

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unfortunate that he got hurt last year, because this was

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supposed to be his developmental year where you know, he

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played his first year, got some snaps here and there,

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and then this was the year he was supposed to

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figure it out, like the light bulb was supposed to

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week six, and then he was going to hit his stride.

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So this year coming in right now, he was supposed

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to be one of the dudes. And so you know,

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the year he was supposed to have this year, he's

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going to have, I believe next year. So I think

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you look for him to turn it on the middle

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of the season. But I think those are the two

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guys that I would be I'd be leaning on the most.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I like that breakdown. I think you're on point with it.

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And Uh, I wanted to ask you this question. We're

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getting into like the way too early prognostication. Uh. I'm

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asking about quotas. Uh, win win quotas, And for me,

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quota means quota does not equal like your expectation of

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like regular season wins. Like it's not an expectation, it's

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more so like your sales guy, you've been in sales before.

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It's like the threshold of wins needed to be reached

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where you're kind of satisfied with the regular season and

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you're not.

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Speaker 3: Trying to fire coaches.

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Speaker 1: That it's like the minimum like where you're like, you're

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not gonna get You're not like having people get up

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in it up roar about like firing coaches and things

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of that nature. So with that being said, what is

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your minimum win total for like quota in twenty twenty six?

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Way too early, I know, uh, in order to kind

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of that's satisfactory, and that's satisfactor. You're gonna keep your job, right,

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mister salesman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you know my formula man like minimum

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for for any any given time, any given situation for

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any season is Bowl game always, Okay, So it's just

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it's just six wins. However, I know I know you're not.

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I know you well enough to I know that that's

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not the answer that you're looking for. So I'm gonna

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give you the answer you're looking for. I'm gonna say, well.

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Speaker 1: You know what you can say expectation. Let's do quota

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quota for you. Six six games won in the regular season.

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What about expectation? What's your expectation for b YU and

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the regular season.

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Speaker 4: Man if if if coach Hill was coming back, I

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would say conference championship appearance. Minimum minimum would be appearance.

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If you lose, you lose. But and this is nothing

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to take away from k Pop. You know he was

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he was a ga when I played and uh when

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when when Bronco took over the defense in twenty ten,

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he became the linebackers coach and he was a part

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of that turnaround season which him and Bronco still to

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this day say that those were the that season right

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there was their favorite season, you know, because of the

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adversity that we went through. So everybody on everybody on

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that team and staff that was part of that program

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at that time got extremely close, like a like a

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Disney movie or something like a script from the Disney movie.

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So I don't mean this in a negative way, but

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you know, it's his first year. I know he'll have

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some help, you know. I think personally another conspiracy is

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maybe Gary Anderson, you know, secretly calls the plays behind

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the scenes, and then K Pop is is learning and

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getting mentored and it's just going to be the face.

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So that gives me a little bit more, you know confidence,

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But at the same time, it's the same philosophy. I

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don't think he's gonna do any thing different, at least

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I want it initially because he's having a lot of

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the same guys that are coming back, plus the up

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and coming guys guys that are twos and threes that

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have you know, they're starting to get experience within the

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playbook and the scheme as well. So with that being said,

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I would say, I would say, man, I think it's hard.

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It's hard, dude. I would say nine wins. I would

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say nine wins.

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Speaker 3: Nine wins. That's that's kind of where I'm at too.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, like, you know, nine wins to me, like,

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and I know, I'm kind of going between quota and expectation.

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To me, it is like nine wins gives you an

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opportunity to get to ten in another double digit win season.

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Speaker 3: That's that. That's kind of like.

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Speaker 1: Where I'm at with like quota and expectations with all

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the returning talent coming back and all the returning coaching

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talent coming back right now, That's kind of how I'm feeling, Like, Look,

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you get to nine wins, I'm like, dude, that's a

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great regular season in a Big twelve in the in

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the Power for Conference.

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Speaker 4: And and and we're at the point now where where

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BYU's lost war games in three years right.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, in the last two years, right.

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Speaker 4: Two years, two years like and and you think about recruiting,

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is you know, really starting to take off. I would

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even say it hit its peak. I would say it's

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taken off, you know, based off of what BYU can

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do and the potential with when it comes to nil

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and getting a lot more lds. You know, players that

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are five stars, not just in Utah but throughout the nation.

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And we have proof of seeing that. So I think

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b YU is at a point where we not only

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us as fans we expected, but they're starting to turn

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some heads, you know when it comes to some national analysts,

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especially after what happened with with b YU once again,

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you know, looking up at the outside looking in, you

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know when it uh when it comes to uh, you know,

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getting into the playoffs for the second year. And I

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think they're starting to get that same with respect and

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so I think the programs at a time where it's

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like many we're here like like you or not, are

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deeping to the coordinator gone who cares? Roy receiver one.

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He's the one that was projected to be number one.

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He's you know gone, and we we pray for him,

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we love him and wish him the best of luck, uh,

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you know moving forward with where he's about to uh

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about to face. But like we're here, we're a program

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where there's not just one guy or one coach or

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one scenario that's going to make our breakings. We we've

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established and built ourselves up, you know enough to where

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we're starting to get national recognition. We have the athletes

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and the players, and we're a really stable point. So

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I just don't feel like there's any excuses.

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Speaker 1: No excuses, play like a champion below. Final thing. Basketball talk,

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who's uh who's getting to start?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they've said it, who's getting the start?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: In in the absence of Richie Saunders, I think it's

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Tyler Morass. Is he getting to start getting a few

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more minix? We're gonna see maybe a different lineup with that,

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Maybe a defensive Hadeem.

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Speaker 3: Boop getting some PT.

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Speaker 1: Could you see uh Hailobuskovic or a Lexigostick see some

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more PT? What do you what do you think what's

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gonna happen with the lineup and who starts in the

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replacement of Richie.

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Speaker 4: So who who was the kids that that that hit

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the three? And at the.

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Speaker 3: End it was it was Alexa Coostic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like I like him. I like him a lot.

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I like his confidence. But personally, if it was if

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it was me, I would go more on the defensive side.

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And that's just because I want, you know, I want

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my top I want my top scorers to to play

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offense and the and the focus on offense, and so

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I'll bring a defensive guy in and say, look, this

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is your role, this is your responsibility. We don't really

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care too much.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: From an offensive standpoint, I would tell, you know, Rib

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and AJ shoot the ball like crazy, preserve your your

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energy for for offense, because you know we're gonna need it.

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And then I would I would if I was Ky,

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I would I would find maybe a couple of guys,

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you know, by committee, maybe three four guys and assignment

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rolls and say, hey, these are the things that Richie

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did and what he did well specifically, you're gonna take

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on this role. You You're gonna take on this role.

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You're gonna take on this role so when they get

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into the game. That's all we want you to do

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is this assignment, and we'll do we'll we'll take over

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or we'll try to replace him. There's no replacing Richie,

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but we'll try to replace him as much as we

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can by doing it, you know, by committee. But at

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the end of the day, I want my I want

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my shooters to shoot shoots.

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Speaker 1: Gotta shoot, baby, h be Low, always a pleasure, always

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a blessing. Talking Bob with you. Let us know if

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you need anything from us. Thanks for hopping on. Enjoy

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the basketball game tonight. We'll catch up with again soon.

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Speaker 3: I'd love that, be Low, love it. Appreciate you man,

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