Speaker 1: Oh bed of that are.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy. And my name's Jonathan, I'm Jacob and today
Speaker 2: we got jewels from the Gray Pilled podcast.
Speaker 1: What a do homide?
Speaker 3: What's going on? Boys?
Speaker 2: We are man, Oh, there's there's a lot of shit
Speaker 2: that is up right now. I feel like it's only
Speaker 2: gonna even get more upier and shittier if you will.
Speaker 2: And and yeah, we're excited to have you. This our
Speaker 2: first time having you on the show.
Speaker 3: And uh, we're excited to be here. I know you
Speaker 3: get into all him for like almost thirty I know, yeah,
Speaker 3: almost before.
Speaker 4: So what are the chances that our paths have crossed
Speaker 4: in the ways that they have? Like so for anybody
Speaker 4: before the show started, come to find out he and
Speaker 4: I here.
Speaker 5: Your boy Jules has crossed into the same path.
Speaker 4: There was a place called the Dark Room in Baton Rouge,
Speaker 4: Man where metal and hardcore music used to be played.
Speaker 4: Come to find out our boy used to be a
Speaker 4: drummer in Abandon had played at that very dive once
Speaker 4: or twice.
Speaker 5: And I mean, it's just it's crazy how small the
Speaker 5: world really is. Bro.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest this whole weekend. I just spent
Speaker 4: it with a bunch of people who I had never
Speaker 4: met before.
Speaker 5: As soon as we started.
Speaker 4: Barely bringing up the topic of something conspiratorial, something just
Speaker 4: kind of questioned narrative. Dude, every dad, I swear to god,
Speaker 4: it's like a homing beacon. As soon as they hear
Speaker 4: something about Trump, something about the elections, something about COVID,
Speaker 4: they just all slowly but surely make their way in
Speaker 4: and come to find out half of these people had
Speaker 4: worked at similar job sites that I've been on. We
Speaker 4: meet somebody via podcast, somebody we had never met before.
Speaker 4: Come to find out, Bro, we basically have been in
Speaker 4: the same neighborhood for years.
Speaker 5: It's wild, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Dude, you find you find out a lot, especially nowadays. Man,
Speaker 3: it seems like these synchronicities come up all the time
Speaker 3: with people, especially in our community as well. When I
Speaker 3: started podcasting, you know, I had I started meeting just people,
Speaker 3: you know, just shooting people messages and seeing if they
Speaker 3: wanted to come on or because I was a fan
Speaker 3: of a lot, you know, I'd already been in the
Speaker 3: conspiracy community as a listener and a researcher for like
Speaker 3: five or six years. So man, it's it's crazy the
Speaker 3: things that you share with people not even knowing like
Speaker 3: what you were saying. Absolutely, and it seems how how
Speaker 3: old are you are?
Speaker 5: You only thirty two?
Speaker 4: The hair and the beard looked like an old man,
Speaker 4: but I'm younger at my age.
Speaker 3: So we were there at the same time.
Speaker 4: Dude, see you wait a minute, you were in middle
Speaker 4: school and like a freshman in high school playing at
Speaker 4: the dark room.
Speaker 3: Yes, bro, my parents whose mom drove you?
Speaker 5: Dude?
Speaker 3: Yes, so listen. Uh, we had a friend, our guitarist
Speaker 3: named Charles, and he had a CenTra, but we never
Speaker 3: took that. My mom would let him drive our exterra
Speaker 3: ye hurt, Yeah, dude, and it was. It was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: And then uh are we We got a bass player
Speaker 3: who was a senior in high school, so we adults
Speaker 3: of the group right time. So yeah, man, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he'd buy us cigarettes and everything. You know.
Speaker 4: Tour things, man, absolutely, from Jackson to bat and Rouge
Speaker 4: might as well.
Speaker 5: Be a road trip. Might as well just be a
Speaker 5: whole tour, fucking right, dude.
Speaker 3: Like my first like really my first like uh punk
Speaker 3: rock concert was in New Orleans. It was rancid in
Speaker 3: this skinhead band that played, and so it was very
Speaker 3: it was a very wild thing to see. It's like
Speaker 3: a twelve thirteen year old you know.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, when you say skinhead, do you mean
Speaker 4: traditional or do you mean neo Nazi? Because when you
Speaker 4: say a punk rock band and then you say skinhead,
Speaker 4: that that's where it's like, Okay, the traditional skinhead punk
Speaker 4: rock group was just the anti establishment and they wore
Speaker 4: the suspenders and the socks on the outside that kind
Speaker 4: of thing. They weren't racist, they just hated authority exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Swastik has kind of made their way in and the
Speaker 4: whole fucking scene went downhill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, and they yeah, that's when it really got violent, dude.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But at the same time you had a lot of
Speaker 3: violence with like straight edge kids as well. Oh, super
Speaker 3: militant straight edge kids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then they would also be roundhousing motherfucker's in
Speaker 4: the mosh pit, Like, yeah, I'm super straight edge.
Speaker 5: I don't drink, I don't smoke.
Speaker 4: Fucking knock you sideways, Like, thanks, homie, good to know
Speaker 4: you're clean and sober.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, just thanks for showing me. Bro.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie though, I do miss mosh pits.
Speaker 4: That was that was a weird uh part of the
Speaker 4: coming of age of it all. But like, yeah, getting
Speaker 4: an elbow to the face, like you're okay, there's.
Speaker 3: Something about it. Yeah, there's something about getting the shit
Speaker 3: beat out of you by a bunch of other dudes
Speaker 3: and then like kind of bonding afterwards. Maybe you know,
Speaker 3: you'd end up meeting people and and that's really how
Speaker 3: you would meet your friends at first, like when you
Speaker 3: were new to to the scene or whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you can't just she's showing up being no bitch,
Speaker 4: Like I mean, you're gonna show up and just sit
Speaker 4: on the wall.
Speaker 5: You're gonna get up in the pit, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, no, dude, I feel like like our community, even
Speaker 3: our listeners, are all the punk rock kids that didn't
Speaker 3: lick the boot of the government when it's started to
Speaker 3: get real woke and left wing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that was back when Bush was in office. Man,
Speaker 4: that was that was wartime anti establishment. Everybody was super
Speaker 4: a fuck al kaya but also fuck the man. It
Speaker 4: was like, all right, I kind of liked the double
Speaker 4: middle finger on tendre Let's get after you know, bro.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and I mean it went't like nobody was
Speaker 4: really bad kids. Nobody was out there trying to hurt
Speaker 4: each other. But it was like it was like the
Speaker 4: ego check. It was that it was like a macho
Speaker 4: even though yes, we were all wearing girl jeans. It
Speaker 4: was the macho ness of the scene. You know, it
Speaker 4: was stupid.
Speaker 5: We're aware.
Speaker 3: It was fine jeans for a little bit before I
Speaker 3: was like shaved my head and started wearing Camo shorts
Speaker 3: and Air Force ones and stuff and hoodies. You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hollywood and Deck kind of changed the way we
Speaker 4: could dress.
Speaker 5: That changed the look of the scene. You know, I
Speaker 5: was I was like a.
Speaker 3: Punk kid at once too. I went through many phases.
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, uh, it was it like
Speaker 3: I said, man, it was. It was quite a way
Speaker 3: to grow up, dude. I wouldn't have it any other way.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: The MySpace days are a golden era.
Speaker 3: Fucking bring back my Space, Tom where you at.
Speaker 5: We did him dirty. He didn't ask anything of us,
Speaker 5: but we just left him high and dry. Old Tom.
Speaker 3: Y'all think it's flat or hollow or we.
Speaker 4: Are very different in our beliefs on that I am
Speaker 4: a globe tard. I do, in fact believe that we
Speaker 4: live on a ball flying through not a vacuum of space.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that the basic narrative of that of science.
Speaker 4: I'm on that side of the fence.
Speaker 2: However, right, I've gone back and forth as far as Uh,
Speaker 2: there was a point in time where I was a
Speaker 2: flat earther and then uh, and then I discovered hallucinogenics
Speaker 2: and uh, and I thought, oh, it really probably doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what the shape of the Earth is because we're.
Speaker 1: Kind of locked in here either way.
Speaker 2: And uh, but I will say that NASA definitely lies,
Speaker 2: and they are. They are absolutely stealing all of our
Speaker 2: taxpayer money and it's going to god knows what. And
Speaker 2: but no, I've I've gone through a flat Earth stage.
Speaker 2: I've gone through a double toroid stage, which is kind
Speaker 2: of you know, maybe a little bit where I'm at
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 5: I want to say, are you off of that now?
Speaker 3: Bro? Is that the snowman Earth?
Speaker 2: No, that's the one where it's basically right, Well, it's
Speaker 2: basically two toroids that are on top of each other
Speaker 2: like two tauruses, and they're laid there. It's like a
Speaker 2: bubble on top of each other. And whenever you put
Speaker 2: on Earth, yeah, whenever you put them both together.
Speaker 3: The audience was calling snowman Earth whenever, how is.
Speaker 5: That Snowman thought I could see a donut?
Speaker 3: Maybe, well, maybe it's something else that that we looked
Speaker 3: at that was relating it to some other example. I
Speaker 3: think that it may be both flat and hollow, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know, I kind of I
Speaker 3: think the truth is in the middle of a lot
Speaker 3: of things. So I've considered that I'm into, like obviously
Speaker 3: the inner earth shit, right, but I'm also into the
Speaker 3: land beyond the ice wall, and like that shit just
Speaker 3: really intrigues me, you.
Speaker 5: Know, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's equally possible that that there
Speaker 2: is a flat earth, that uh, there's a flat Earth,
Speaker 2: and also possibly the double toroid kind of thing, because
Speaker 2: as far as the double toroid goes, this is why
Speaker 2: I find it so fascinating, is because where the where
Speaker 2: the two toroids meet right in the center is what's
Speaker 2: called the plane of inertia, which is what most people
Speaker 2: would call just the flat earth, right, But I think
Speaker 2: that what we live on is not as it's I
Speaker 2: feel like it's more complex than we're led to believe.
Speaker 2: I know that, like us spinning on a ball going
Speaker 2: through all these you know, different portions of the universe,
Speaker 2: and we're spinning at so many that's crazy. I get it, Like,
Speaker 2: that's that's pretty complex. But I think that the double
Speaker 2: toroid would actually be the most complex, and I think
Speaker 2: it lends the most out of credence to uh interdimensional
Speaker 2: play as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I definitely think if there are any entities
Speaker 3: at their interdimensional then you see that in some of
Speaker 3: these ancient stories with these fallen deities. That's why I
Speaker 3: love kind of diving down into those those rabbit holes,
Speaker 3: comparing and contrasting stories and you and you can trace
Speaker 3: it through the etymology as well, so find those one
Speaker 3: of the most fascinating things.
Speaker 1: But uh, no, doubt, what is this about eloheem etymology?
Speaker 1: What were you saying about this?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: I I love.
Speaker 4: Okay, since you brought that up, now I have to
Speaker 4: ask what is your personal religious background as far as
Speaker 4: the lo heem being brought up?
Speaker 5: That's kind of a trigger word to some people, you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, really well, not negative, but it sparks like okay,
Speaker 4: either this guy, is this belief this belief of this belief.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, right, Well, I'm a follower.
Speaker 3: I'm a follower of christ Man.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: Growing up, I so my grandfather, my my mom's dad,
Speaker 3: was adopted by a Jewish family. And I've talked about
Speaker 3: this a lot. My grandma converted. So I was raised
Speaker 3: Jewish until I was thirteen, and I didn't have a bar.
Speaker 3: I didn't have a bar mitzvah.
Speaker 5: We're all practicing Jews, like went to temple and like
Speaker 5: any of that.
Speaker 3: We we went to Sundays, you know. We we didn't
Speaker 3: go to Shabbat every Friday at all. You know we
Speaker 3: we weren't like, uh, it's very yeah, so like we
Speaker 3: I don't really consider myself at all ever really to
Speaker 3: be Jewish, even though I was. I guess you could
Speaker 3: say culturally Jewish. I don't know, Bro, you are.
Speaker 5: Like the least Jewish dude I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 3: You look German as oh no, I'm okay, so I'm
Speaker 3: seventy eight percent Scottish and Irish and then the rest
Speaker 3: is German and French. Yeah, adopted as Nausi and Sephardic
Speaker 3: and the other one.
Speaker 4: So like y'all's cuisine growing up, your your mom cooks
Speaker 4: Jewish food and ship well kind of.
Speaker 3: Not as much, dude, like it really you.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't brisket and ship like no pork.
Speaker 3: Sometimes, no we ate pork. So like it was really
Speaker 3: you are not you exactly. So I was just raised.
Speaker 3: And to be honest with you, man, I think with
Speaker 3: the bar mitz fide, I think it's like a it
Speaker 3: is a theory. I think it's like part of a
Speaker 3: weird ritual. That's just me.
Speaker 5: That's just I mean, yes to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you feel me. But I as I got older,
Speaker 3: I was into drug culture and whatnot, got got on opiates.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm very open about it. Dude. My audience that
Speaker 3: if they watched my show, they that they know who
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 5: Right, No, that's how you claim it?
Speaker 3: Yeah man, yeah, and uh been I'm seven years lane
Speaker 3: so yeah yeah man, yeah, almost took my life multiple times.
Speaker 5: Maybe like that, bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, if it wasn't for my wife and my son.
Speaker 3: Well I have a son and a daughter now, but
Speaker 3: at the time, I just have my son. Uh man.
Speaker 3: There's there's a reason that I'm still here, you know.
Speaker 3: And so I went to church after I got in
Speaker 3: a bad wreck, and.
Speaker 4: Wh huh what led you to go to church after
Speaker 4: a bad wreck, like to a to a Christian faith
Speaker 4: as opposed to something.
Speaker 3: Well, because I was just I didn't believe in anything,
Speaker 3: you know, I was just looking for something and I
Speaker 3: found there like twenty five people all surrounding me, praying
Speaker 3: for me, and like I start crying, and you know,
Speaker 3: I have a real deep spiritual experience. And at that
Speaker 3: same time, I started getting more into like so I
Speaker 3: was reading the Bible, but I was also getting into
Speaker 3: conspiracies in the occult and so like it is, like
Speaker 3: I said, I believe everything does happen for a reason,
Speaker 3: even us meeting.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know when you get deeper in your faith,
Speaker 4: you get deeper into the conspiratorial looking into things.
Speaker 5: Bro that You're not the first person I've heard say.
Speaker 3: That, And that's what led has led me closer to Christ. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've heard.
Speaker 4: That by a lot of people, and not just christ
Speaker 4: Although because of where we live, I feel like in America,
Speaker 4: most people when they find faith would probably mathematically accidentally
Speaker 4: find Christianity. And I get that, but I've noticed that
Speaker 4: a lot of people and he kind of got to
Speaker 4: because when you start looking more into the truth, it
Speaker 4: gets depressing, it gets you get black pilled. So it's
Speaker 4: like you got to have your star player in line
Speaker 4: to not get overwhelmed with it. And a lot of people,
Speaker 4: as they're diving deeper into the conspiratorial world, they're also
Speaker 4: diving deeper into their faith to reassure them that, like,
Speaker 4: you know, God's got a plan, and like, yeah, the
Speaker 4: deck is really stacked against us, but like, yo, it's
Speaker 4: according to the plan.
Speaker 5: Take a breath, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, dude, started diving into and and I kind
Speaker 3: of found like an esoteric version of Christianity at the
Speaker 3: same time.
Speaker 5: Which Christian mysticism.
Speaker 3: Dudude, it could mean a lot to you as far
Speaker 3: as because and I've said this a lot recently, you
Speaker 3: can go to church every Sunday, you can read the
Speaker 3: Bible one hundred times. If you don't walk with that spirit,
Speaker 3: the spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit. Uh. Some people
Speaker 3: call it christ consciousness. Uh, you know there's and and
Speaker 3: so yeah, it's it's it's an energy, right, We're all
Speaker 3: made up of energy. Uh. I. I don't think you're
Speaker 3: you're missing the mark if you're part of the religion,
Speaker 3: but not of the spirit. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: I mean it which is essentially, which is sinning, is
Speaker 1: to miss the mark is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but not necessarily. We're all sinners.
Speaker 3: We all see it all falling right right.
Speaker 5: It's it's the judgment.
Speaker 4: It's the and not even judging other people, it's judging
Speaker 4: yourself in a sense of like.
Speaker 5: I am good, I am correct.
Speaker 4: A first of all, that whole you yourself and you bullshit,
Speaker 4: go ahead and take that to the backseat. No one asked,
Speaker 4: God didn't even ask, you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 4: that's the kind of thing. It's like, if it's talk
Speaker 4: is cheap, talk is cheap, and showing up on a
Speaker 4: Sunday or showing up on whatever day is your day
Speaker 4: of reckoning or whatever, that's the easy shit. If you're
Speaker 4: not applying it, if you're not actually doing it and
Speaker 4: being about it, then what's the point.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think you're absolutely right, dude, you're you're wasting
Speaker 3: your own time. But the reason that the wreck that
Speaker 3: I got in was spiritual was because when we flipped,
Speaker 3: my wife said she opened her eyes and I didn't
Speaker 3: have a seatbelt on, and she said something was keeping
Speaker 3: me in my seat, like I should have fucking launched
Speaker 3: out that window, dude, And so yeah, yeah, it was
Speaker 3: uh and then I went to treatment after that and
Speaker 3: uh all that.
Speaker 2: So, so you should have gotten launched out of that car,
Speaker 2: but you didn't. And that's whenever you said, what was
Speaker 2: it like twenty twenty five people came around the car
Speaker 2: as you got a record started praise.
Speaker 3: I thought to myself after that happened, like, Okay, some
Speaker 3: something protected me, right, let me go seek that out.
Speaker 3: And so I went and and that was just this
Speaker 3: church that herd that my my in laws had had
Speaker 3: went to. And there there's a lot of people there, dude. Uh,
Speaker 3: there's there's some not good people there.
Speaker 4: You know what kind of Christian and Jesus, I can't
Speaker 4: speak what type of Christian church was it?
Speaker 5: If you don't mind me.
Speaker 3: It was a Southern Baptist church, gotcha right? And so
Speaker 3: we go to one down the street. Now that's just
Speaker 3: non de nominate.
Speaker 5: That's where I found my home.
Speaker 4: For the most part, I know that it's like a
Speaker 4: slippery slope before you're one of the Hillsong United looking uh,
Speaker 4: you know, conglomerate church with eighteen campuses.
Speaker 5: And I get I get it, I get it.
Speaker 4: But as far as the true Word and applying it
Speaker 4: to our lives today, that's the closest I have personally found.
Speaker 3: So I get that, yeah, man, And I mean I
Speaker 3: think I've lost listeners because I talk about I've talked
Speaker 3: more about like some of this other stuff than the Bible,
Speaker 3: you know, And maybe I should dive more into the
Speaker 3: the Biblical text.
Speaker 4: But do you consider yourself a Christian content creator or
Speaker 4: a content creator who is Christian?
Speaker 3: A content creator who who is Christian? Right?
Speaker 5: Then talk your shit dog?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, And that's that's what I do.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: I question everything, even if it makes me uncomfortable. Sometimes
Speaker 3: I kind of question it, and it usually leads me
Speaker 3: back to Christ you know. But I always end up
Speaker 3: That's one of the greatest things about doing this is
Speaker 3: you always end up learning something new.
Speaker 2: Oh, I would like to hear about your esotericness as
Speaker 2: far as Christianity goes. As you're looking into the esoteric
Speaker 2: version of Christianity, has that brought you closer, brought you
Speaker 2: a little bit, maybe some some realizations that maybe have
Speaker 2: helped you get a little deeper into Christianity per se?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, man, I figured out that there's many ways to
Speaker 3: read the Bible, right, Yeah, yeah, I think it's said
Speaker 3: that there are seven ways. And you see that number, right,
Speaker 3: and put that number a lot in there, like seven.
Speaker 3: I haven't underlined all throughout what I just started from
Speaker 3: Genesis and started reading. Now, I've been underlining everything that
Speaker 3: I find to be esoteric or mystical in some way.
Speaker 3: If that's like naming some some deity and talking and
Speaker 3: or the numerology of some things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you mean by if it sounds esoteric
Speaker 4: to you? Like what would be if you were just
Speaker 4: reading along?
Speaker 3: If if I feel like I find hidden meaning in it? Right?
Speaker 4: Okay, so you're not talking about mention of like a
Speaker 4: sorceress like that.
Speaker 5: That's a that's.
Speaker 3: Obviously that you know. But you know that's you have
Speaker 3: the exoteric in the esoteric, right, what you can see
Speaker 3: and then what you kind of have to look at
Speaker 3: a little deeper to see. Yeah. And I've you know,
Speaker 3: reading people like Manley, Palmer Hall, Rudolph Steiner a few
Speaker 3: other people. Man. Uh, you know, I don't really get
Speaker 3: into Crowley and stuff. I've I've looked into Crowley a bunch,
Speaker 3: you know. I I know who he was, like what
Speaker 3: kind of chaos magician he was, and and the stuff
Speaker 3: he did. But as far as reading some of those,
Speaker 3: like I've read the Necronomicon and I ended up getting
Speaker 3: rid of the book, you know, just because I read it,
Speaker 3: because I I have There's a few entities that I
Speaker 3: have dove into through since since I've started Semyaza being one,
Speaker 3: mar Duke being another er Azazel, and then uh Inky
Speaker 3: being the third also known as sami l or Lucifer.
Speaker 3: And you can trace these deities throughout time their worship. Lately,
Speaker 3: I've been diving into the moon God, the god of Islam.
Speaker 3: I think Islam nan our Sin who is the father
Speaker 3: of Ishtar. Not a good dude, right, Okay, So yeah, man,
Speaker 3: stuff like that. And then when you read the Bible
Speaker 3: and you you see these deities being worshiped in in
Speaker 3: the Biblical text just by other names. But usually you
Speaker 3: can trace the deities, like I said, through the etymology
Speaker 3: or through the archetypes. One one example of the etymology
Speaker 3: would be in Leal also l Saturn, right. Uh. You
Speaker 3: take the E from the first of his name and
Speaker 3: the L from the end of his name, and that's
Speaker 3: usually how a lot of these, whether you make them
Speaker 3: shorter or you at you know, and he lines up
Speaker 3: directly such a in an archetypal way, in a symbolic way,
Speaker 3: as that deity the Eagle representing him also his children
Speaker 3: being Zeus and Helios, the son God. And like, you know,
Speaker 3: if the Sumerian stories of the n and Icky aren't
Speaker 3: all that they're put out there to be, like how
Speaker 3: Sitch and Rhodem or whatever, uh Lawrence Gardner a few
Speaker 3: other people, you know, then they're inter dimensional, Like these
Speaker 3: these entities exist, and they're the ones who have been
Speaker 3: manipulating from all sides of the corner. Right now, some
Speaker 3: people go in to say that the story of Christ
Speaker 3: is just symbolic in the story of one of these
Speaker 3: rebirth rituals, right these ancient mystery schools. I don't find that.
Speaker 3: I find there to be some meaning in that, and
Speaker 3: that Christ probably knew about the esoteric, right well, I
Speaker 3: mean in in in Egypt, correct.
Speaker 5: Not according to the biblical history. Now, but I'm with.
Speaker 3: You, Well, what I'm saying is like, uh, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just know my lid, my lid experience, so you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's you can look at stories like that in
Speaker 3: many ways, sure, yeah.
Speaker 5: And I mean the whole thing about like.
Speaker 4: His story of for instance, his death resurrection in three
Speaker 4: days from a virgin birth. There are stories like that
Speaker 4: that predate Christ.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: There's all types of stories throughout the histories of pantheons,
Speaker 4: of different gods from different ports portions of the world
Speaker 4: that had this same story, which a lot of people
Speaker 4: will say disproves Jesus because look at how many other
Speaker 4: stories they are just like it. If anything, that tells
Speaker 4: me that the prophecy of him coming was told in
Speaker 4: many different languages.
Speaker 5: That's from many different as the Christ, right.
Speaker 3: Right, he is Jesus or yes, you whatever you're gonna
Speaker 3: call him the Christ, he is the christed one. There
Speaker 3: may have been other initiates right of some kind of
Speaker 3: school or religion before him that attempted that right, that
Speaker 3: attempted complete enlightenment, whatever you would want to call it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it they just weren't that guy. Right.
Speaker 4: Well, people figure they claimed to be the Messiah or
Speaker 4: something akin to that, per different language, per different culture.
Speaker 5: There's been these in the past, for sure.
Speaker 2: But as far as you know Christ being a title,
Speaker 2: I know that some people don't like hearing that, But
Speaker 2: it depends on really where you're like what you're wanting
Speaker 2: to believe in though, Like so, if you look at
Speaker 2: the etymology of Christ, it does come from Christos, which
Speaker 2: does mean the anointed One, and that's that's from Greek, And.
Speaker 1: So is that where they got it?
Speaker 5: Did they get it?
Speaker 2: Was it the the Greek that called him the Christ
Speaker 2: the anointed One because he wasn't born.
Speaker 1: That wasn't his name when he was born, right, like.
Speaker 4: He was, his name was Yahia and he was known
Speaker 4: as the carpenter's kid.
Speaker 3: It was a Manuel right when he born.
Speaker 4: I mean they said that he would be called that,
Speaker 4: but that's a word for savior. So I mean that's
Speaker 4: like you basically saying that he would be the savior
Speaker 4: of the world, which yes, but he was called Yeshuah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 4: Mean we know that they didn't even have a jay
Speaker 4: in the alphabet for the Hebrew language. So like the
Speaker 4: whole thing about John and Joseph and right, yea soft
Speaker 4: j they would go for. They would go for their
Speaker 4: morning y'all. You know, yeah, bro, but uh yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 4: to the Anointed one thing. But all these other stories
Speaker 4: about these other savior figures can't be verified.
Speaker 5: We know for sure that Yashua of Nazareth, his story
Speaker 5: can be verified by eyewitnesses.
Speaker 4: By people will argue about the Shroud of Tour until
Speaker 4: the cows come home.
Speaker 5: We've done multiple episodes on it.
Speaker 4: I honestly feel convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt
Speaker 4: that it's authentic. But people will throw shade at a
Speaker 4: couple of the uh the red flags, which I get.
Speaker 5: But to me it seems like it's genuine article.
Speaker 4: But as far as Jesus himself living, dying in the
Speaker 4: time and place that he said Pontous Pilot as signing
Speaker 4: him to death, the whole thing that's verified by history,
Speaker 4: and like even the staunchest of Eightheist scholars at least
Speaker 4: agreed that that guy, the dude in question existed. Somehow
Speaker 4: people want to like fight that today and then it's about, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: he lived, but he wasn't what he said he was, and.
Speaker 3: It you know, I'll saw what happened. Also, what happened
Speaker 3: with Billy Carson, right, dude, we were.
Speaker 5: Just talking about this.
Speaker 4: He's tried, he tried to step up to the plate against.
Speaker 5: An actual real We just tell them like, I fucked up. Bro.
Speaker 4: You know he's got police. He's got charges on him
Speaker 4: now because of what happened.
Speaker 3: The next morning, he's suing.
Speaker 4: He showed up at the producer's house at two thirty
Speaker 4: in the morning, banging on his door to Manny, he
Speaker 4: doesn't release the episode. Bro, His wife and kids were
Speaker 4: in there, so he called the cops and he's like,
Speaker 4: oh no, we're full sending this shit. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: you could have taken the l gracefully, Billy. Everybody with
Speaker 4: a brainstem has known it for a while. But like, Bro,
Speaker 4: there's ring camera footage.
Speaker 5: Have you seen it?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm gonna try to find it. Oh no, fuck
Speaker 5: with me. Oh, Jonathan, you're already googling it, aren't you. Yes?
Speaker 1: I am, Bro.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm old dude.
Speaker 5: That ring camera footage was. I mean, there's no denying it.
Speaker 4: Billy Carson has a very recognizable face and voice, so
Speaker 4: I mean it, and that's not gonna go.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: He already had charges for stalking during his COVID from
Speaker 4: his ex wife, and shit, I thought that those charges
Speaker 4: were cleared and it was all good. He's been making money,
Speaker 4: he's been doing his content thing. Yeah, he's got a
Speaker 4: model Asian.
Speaker 5: Woman on his arm. Looks like the man is doing
Speaker 5: well for himself, you know.
Speaker 3: But fuck well, I had watched him when he was
Speaker 3: on Gaya a little bit like as an introduction into
Speaker 3: the Ananaki and stuff him and Matt Matt Lacroix, I
Speaker 3: think that's his last name. But Billy, you know, he
Speaker 3: thinks that they are here to save us, you know,
Speaker 3: or like they are our gods right like, And that's
Speaker 3: just not We come from one creator, I agree? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Who who the fallen even referred to as the creator
Speaker 3: of all? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: Which fallen? Which fallen? Say that?
Speaker 3: Okay, well you have two classes of angels that fell.
Speaker 3: You have the watcher angels that fell, which is like
Speaker 3: uh Inky and Lele uh any females that fell along
Speaker 3: with them? Uh And then you have the Gigi or
Speaker 3: I guess uh Samyaza sham or Shamash the sun god
Speaker 3: who that was the second fall? That was the fall
Speaker 3: of like? That was that was the fall of them
Speaker 3: mating with the earth women? Right, the first fall was
Speaker 3: the fall of Inky, the.
Speaker 5: Fall from Grace, the fall from heaven, fall from the garden.
Speaker 3: Well, well they had all already like fallen but ikey
Speaker 3: is that serpent archetype in the garden? Right?
Speaker 5: Got you?
Speaker 3: And I don't know, man, It's it's when when you
Speaker 3: look at Enoch and you look at the Sumerian stories,
Speaker 3: they they line up, you know.
Speaker 2: So basically, the fallen ones, according to the scripture within
Speaker 2: the Bible. According to the scripture within the Bible, the
Speaker 2: fallen ones say that the God of Abraham is the
Speaker 2: creator of everything. Yeah, okay, I just want to I
Speaker 2: just want to clear that up because you know, first off,
Speaker 2: I'm not a Christian. Although I respect everybody's beliefs, I'm
Speaker 2: never gonna shit on anybody for you know, having certain
Speaker 2: beliefs because my beliefs are.
Speaker 1: Just as wacky. That's what I always like to say,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like a fun job.
Speaker 7: At that point, the the fallen were around before Abraham,
Speaker 7: so you see him kind of later on in the
Speaker 7: Ananaki story.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if they ever really state that,
Speaker 3: but that's that's what it is, is seen as some
Speaker 3: people interpret the God of Abraham to be in leal Right,
Speaker 3: that's a theory out there, not what I believe. But
Speaker 3: like I said, there's there's you have people pushing that
Speaker 3: Christ wasn't real or this or that, so you got
Speaker 3: to take some of these stories with a grain of salt, right,
Speaker 3: But I do like how you're like I was say,
Speaker 3: and there's many ways to look at it, many interpretations,
Speaker 3: many different.
Speaker 2: Well, of course, and that's why you're gonna have what
Speaker 2: two thousand different denominations of Christianity because there is so
Speaker 2: many different ways of looking at it. And there's there's
Speaker 2: actually a large portion of Christians out there that they
Speaker 2: they don't subscribe to any of the esoteric stuff as
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, like the esoteric is Satanic and
Speaker 2: you should only look at it for the exoteric values.
Speaker 2: And that's in Jacob. Not to call you out here,
Speaker 2: but you're kind of anti esoteric. And so whenever I
Speaker 2: start getting into any of the any kind of the
Speaker 2: esoteric meaning behind it, and could it have meant this
Speaker 2: because he did speak in parables, how do we know
Speaker 2: exactly what he meant whenever he was speaking in parables?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And I think that it's it's it's smart to be
Speaker 2: able to look at it multiple ways, because if you
Speaker 2: if you're somebody who just walks through life not point
Speaker 2: any fingers at any person directly here. But if you're
Speaker 2: somebody who just walks through walks through life and says,
Speaker 2: I understand everything as it is already, as my brain
Speaker 2: is the smartest, and I win, and I think that
Speaker 2: you're not learning anything. I think that you have to
Speaker 2: be open to multiple different perspectives here. And that's why
Speaker 2: we talk about a lot of these things on the show,
Speaker 2: and it not. Everything is so cut and dry. There's
Speaker 2: so much murky water out there, and I don't know
Speaker 2: that's why.
Speaker 3: You could be wrong about everything, dude. You know, like
Speaker 3: this is my interpretation of things.
Speaker 5: So I mean, for the record, Jonathan, we.
Speaker 3: Are all kind of crazy, right we are.
Speaker 5: We are, indeed.
Speaker 4: But like my thing has always been not necessarily I'm
Speaker 4: anti esoteric. I acknowledge it to be real, I acknowledge
Speaker 4: most of it to be based in truth and all
Speaker 4: these things. But the book that I derived my morals
Speaker 4: from says basically, don't fuck with it, like it's very
Speaker 4: clear of like necromancy, mad Jack, if it's done in secret,
Speaker 4: don't even don't even play with it.
Speaker 5: But that's just where I am at.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Esoteric doesn't mean magic, It just means like a deeper,
Speaker 2: more spiritual understanding.
Speaker 1: Noah, but old.
Speaker 4: Jonathan, I've told you to even look into Christian mysticism
Speaker 4: because I thought you would actually get something from it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, well does mean like a deeper meaning.
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, look, as long as this version of
Speaker 2: magic is not gonna spite me and smite me by
Speaker 2: by the Almighty, It's.
Speaker 5: Funny how all that all works, like.
Speaker 2: Christian mysticism or Christian magic if you will.
Speaker 1: Is okay. But all other magic, so I've cross all
Speaker 1: of their touch magic, blood magic, chaos magic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't don't touch.
Speaker 2: It, right, even though all that is incorporated into the Bible.
Speaker 3: You had, dude, that look okay. So here's another form
Speaker 3: of etymology. Cannibal comes from the Canaanite worship of ball, right,
Speaker 3: cannaball So yeah, dude, there you go right there. That
Speaker 3: like and like what I was talking about in these
Speaker 3: ancient mystery schools with these rebirth these rebirth rituals where
Speaker 3: they would go underground into a cave or something and
Speaker 3: do some sort of ritual and then come back out
Speaker 3: and the rebirth and it's on a certain day, and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, there's many different examples of that we can
Speaker 3: get into sometime. Dude. I'd love to do some more
Speaker 3: shit with y'all man the same, Yeah, I like hanging
Speaker 3: out with you guys. Y'all.
Speaker 4: A rebirth rituals due, there's and not even just a
Speaker 4: cult like the Freemasons do a rebirth ritual upon initiation
Speaker 4: and fine, fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Coffin yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 4: That deserves its talking point, don't get me wrong, But like,
Speaker 4: if we're gonna talk real shit, if we're going to
Speaker 4: talk like ancient shit, all right, y'all ever seen Game
Speaker 4: of Thrones, right, remember when the gradoy had to be
Speaker 4: drowned and then if he woke up, he was supposed
Speaker 4: to be the king because what's dead can't be killed.
Speaker 4: You remember this, right, what's dead may never die, right right?
Speaker 4: That was his house motto, this whole thing. Now, listen,
Speaker 4: understand that your boy who wrote Game of Thrones based
Speaker 4: every single tribe, clan, and house off of a real
Speaker 4: historical place and figure. In fact, and all of these things,
Speaker 4: there are ancient religions and ancient tribes of people who
Speaker 4: like would drown their king or would bury their king
Speaker 4: or their queen or their high priestess or whatever. And
Speaker 4: if this person who claims to have been this grand
Speaker 4: person is divinely chosen and bum bap up, they can't die.
Speaker 4: So if we bury them for two days, they should
Speaker 4: come down from the mountain as the highest of enlightenedments
Speaker 4: of beings correct, and that they there's whole precedence for this.
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Speaker 2: Oh dude, and he's young too, like he's like he's
Speaker 2: only like twenty one, twenty two. I'm like, damn, I
Speaker 2: wish my head was pulled out of my ass that
Speaker 2: early of an age, you know, like that must be
Speaker 2: nice to get started that early.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, fucking right, man, Yeah, I know
Speaker 3: that's crazy. You brought that up though, brother, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that would be like an early form of a rebirth ritual.
Speaker 3: And you see it in the Ossyrian mystery schools and
Speaker 3: the Mithras mystery schools, like it's it's it's everywhere, dude.
Speaker 5: Oh you see it in the mine in the Aztec
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man, you see a lot. Dude's that's full
Speaker 3: of occultism with I mean tons of blood, dudfis right,
Speaker 3: tons of child animal and human sacrifice. It's it's what
Speaker 3: was one?
Speaker 5: I just looked into it.
Speaker 4: They would tie thorns onto a braid of rope, and
Speaker 4: they would because most of they had their tongues pierced,
Speaker 4: they would pass it up and down through their tongue
Speaker 4: as their own personal blood letting ritual during a certain
Speaker 4: sacrifice to a certain deity. I forget which one it was.
Speaker 4: We talked about it once upon a time. Their worst
Speaker 4: was their rain dance ritual, because usually it was like
Speaker 4: a high priest child or like one of his direct
Speaker 4: family members, like baby, and they would slowly torture this
Speaker 4: child to death through cutting and through burning and all this.
Speaker 4: The more the child screamed, the more pleased the rain
Speaker 4: god was Oh bro, it was fucking sick.
Speaker 3: A dreamochrome right there, dude, I mean.
Speaker 4: Very much, very much like Mola. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 4: you want to talk ancient adrenochrome. We did an episode
Speaker 4: on that. So bro, listen. The earliest of hot chocolate
Speaker 4: that we have, as far as a red hot chocolate.
Speaker 5: Have you heard of this?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, brace yourself for this.
Speaker 4: When you brought it up, I did have no idea
Speaker 4: how you are, So listen, all right. There was one god,
Speaker 4: all right, itx cocolacle or what other fuck. I can't
Speaker 4: pronounce it. There's not enough vowels and too many syllables
Speaker 4: for me. But anyway, for their one god worshiping thing
Speaker 4: for him, they're big sacrifice. They would have a prisoner
Speaker 4: that they would have dressed as the God.
Speaker 5: He would be paraded through the streets.
Speaker 4: By day and dance and music, and he'd be given
Speaker 4: the gifts and all of that.
Speaker 5: But at night he would be locked in.
Speaker 4: A cage because he knew that this party was going
Speaker 4: to be coming to an end. And I want to
Speaker 4: say it was a forty days if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4: Weird how that number kind of magically played in. But anyway,
Speaker 4: on this final day, he was going to be sacrificed
Speaker 4: at the High Temple, and he was his body was
Speaker 4: going to be like consumed or this or this and
Speaker 4: like release this God who is contained within.
Speaker 5: This fleshly suit.
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, But if for whatever reason he got he
Speaker 4: just kind of lost his nerve and what wasn't really
Speaker 4: feeling the whole party vibe, like okay, I'm about to
Speaker 4: die tomorrow, Like I'm not.
Speaker 5: Really feeling this anymore. They made him a drink. Okay.
Speaker 4: What they would do is take cocw which they would
Speaker 4: grind up into a pace and they would make into
Speaker 4: like early hot chocolate and they would throw like chili
Speaker 4: powder in there or whatever. Right, mano Zuma allegedly drank
Speaker 4: fifty goblets of this a day, which we know is bullshit,
Speaker 4: but it's legend. But they would make this and keep
Speaker 4: in my cocow is really really high in caffeine, okay,
Speaker 4: really really euphoric as a matter of fact, and it's
Speaker 4: pure form. You can buy cocw dust and snort it
Speaker 4: like coke right now.
Speaker 5: It's a thing you can buy.
Speaker 4: It doesn't give you a full on coke effect, but
Speaker 4: it gives you a decent buzz for a minute. But anyway, so,
Speaker 4: and not to mention, they exchange cocoa beans as currency.
Speaker 4: There's a whole thing, but this was like one of
Speaker 4: their most precious commodities. They would make a drink out
Speaker 4: of that. But then they would wash the obsidian dagger
Speaker 4: that they would use for sacrifices that were covered in blood.
Speaker 4: They would wash those blades off and use that water
Speaker 4: mixed with cacao and give him this as a drink,
Speaker 4: and then he would like instantly go back to dancing
Speaker 4: and singing and being crazy. They called the drink it's
Speaker 4: cacalakal or whatever it is, and it was called the
Speaker 4: washing of the obsidian blades. That is a real historically
Speaker 4: documented drink that they would make for their sacrifice to
Speaker 4: redrug him up and get him in the spirit. Tell
Speaker 4: me that that is not the earliest form of ancient
Speaker 4: dirty adrinachrome that we have on record.
Speaker 3: Bro, Yeah, dude, I'd have to say so. I don't
Speaker 3: know if there's any uh earlier stories of it.
Speaker 5: Dude, You think about that.
Speaker 4: The sacrificial dagger, whoever's blood is on that was highly adrenalized,
Speaker 4: like they were being sacrificed in front of this massive
Speaker 4: amount of people on top of this giant pyramid temple thing.
Speaker 5: Yo. They were fucking scared shitless.
Speaker 4: So like all of that blood on that dagger was
Speaker 4: super adrenalized, and they just mixed that with some hot
Speaker 4: chocolate and gave it to him and he fucking partied
Speaker 4: deep like dude, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, dude, that's why that's why blood magic is so popular,
Speaker 3: as as well as sex magic, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: Which we have crowdy thing for that too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I mean look at uh the what's that.
Speaker 1: Saturnalia was way before crowd Uh.
Speaker 4: Saturnalia wasn't based around sex magic, though Crowley made the
Speaker 4: Lima based around it.
Speaker 3: Yeah that oh man, Yeah, that whole uh religion. It's
Speaker 3: just fucked man.
Speaker 5: Saturnalia had the orgies.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, I feel like it's kind of the main
Speaker 1: point to saturn It.
Speaker 3: Was the worship of Saturn.
Speaker 5: It wasn't no, no, no.
Speaker 4: Saturnalia was basically uh just a massive Yeah, there were orgies,
Speaker 4: but mostly it was like the rich pe we'll get
Speaker 4: treated like slaves, the slaves get treated like rich people.
Speaker 4: It was like just a giant week long festival like
Speaker 4: sex was there, but it wasn't like it wasn't.
Speaker 5: A sex fest. Yeah, I mean it was. It was
Speaker 5: a worship of the god Saturn fest. Dude.
Speaker 4: I mean sex was very, very highly indicative of all
Speaker 4: of Roman culture. I mean there's dicks on every single
Speaker 4: mile marker statue on in Rome, like the god Hermes
Speaker 4: and then his dick for no reason, just all over
Speaker 4: and it was a whole thing.
Speaker 3: We have all the monuments, dude, they're all phallic symbols.
Speaker 3: And that what I was talking about with the Ossyrian,
Speaker 3: with the Ossyrian schools Osiris, who in the Sumerian story
Speaker 3: is a son of Marduke. He his penis is cast
Speaker 3: into the nile, right, and so you have that representation
Speaker 3: in the Washington monument. We have one right off the interstate,
Speaker 3: right here, and right here in Mississippi.
Speaker 5: Dude, Dude, every massan tombstone.
Speaker 3: Is a phallus an obelisk, yes, and obelisk is a phallus. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's got to be way more to
Speaker 1: it than that, dude.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, well yeah.
Speaker 2: To the to the uh fhallus, Well there.
Speaker 3: That is well that you can add on to it
Speaker 3: besides it being a phallic symbol.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I just feel like making a tall statue just because
Speaker 2: it represents your dick, Like, there's no way that's the
Speaker 2: only reason that they fucking put a statue up in
Speaker 2: the middle of their town.
Speaker 1: Like it's that seems very see and this is I
Speaker 1: don't want to have to take it here, but.
Speaker 4: Let's go there, bro, Because we were talking about the
Speaker 4: ancient egypt obelisks, like next to the pyramids.
Speaker 5: They built those for who knows the reason, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean we're talking about like the ones we see
Speaker 4: built on us soil kind of thing, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, right, Well I don't know. I just I
Speaker 2: look at that and I think that we're really any
Speaker 2: of the obelists all throughout time, not.
Speaker 1: Even just the ones that are here in America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of them here and.
Speaker 5: A lot of them are in the ancient ones too.
Speaker 1: All of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I don't think that they had anything to
Speaker 2: do with their dicks. I think that that is something
Speaker 2: And not to throw any not to throw any hate,
Speaker 2: but there are a lot of Christians out there that
Speaker 2: look at the tiniest details of any other religion and
Speaker 2: automatically assume that it is some kind of sex worship
Speaker 2: or some kind of Satan warship. And it's not always
Speaker 2: that simple. It's really not all that easy. Whenever you
Speaker 2: look at you know, Anki and end Loewell there, they're
Speaker 2: just the fallen ones there. You look at the Buddha, well,
Speaker 2: he was just a fat slob who whatever.
Speaker 1: Like it's always, I feel.
Speaker 2: Like anytime, not anytime. There are a lot of Christians
Speaker 2: that don't look at it like that. But I feel
Speaker 2: like the overarching view that we've seen from a lot
Speaker 2: of Christians that have come on show is that you
Speaker 2: look at other religions and automatically you're thinking about, how
Speaker 2: is this the work of Satan? And I don't think
Speaker 2: that that is. I don't think that that's correct, because
Speaker 2: there are a lot of there are a lot of
Speaker 2: really interesting religions out there. You look into a lot
Speaker 2: of the esoteric meanings behind a lot of that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, and it has nothing to do with Satan. Dude,
Speaker 2: I've been I've been practicing witchcraft and magic and and
Speaker 2: like working on certain spells and all that kind of shit.
Speaker 1: Never once have I called the name Satan.
Speaker 2: Satan come to me like your boy, like your boy,
Speaker 2: the fucking Pope. Oh no, I'm talking about I'm talking
Speaker 2: about the Pope. He's over there singing about it.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, Satan just means adversary, just like ball, which
Speaker 3: stems from the word bell, means lord. And so I
Speaker 3: don't think. I don't really believe there's actual an actual
Speaker 3: deity named Satan. To be honest with you, I think
Speaker 3: there's many Satans. You could say many devils. But uh,
Speaker 3: and no, dude, you're you're absolutely right. Uh. Who knows?
Speaker 3: They could be conductors of of of energy, right, I've
Speaker 3: heard that, like.
Speaker 5: The radio antennas or something like that.
Speaker 3: It could be a water tower, you know.
Speaker 4: I'll say this though, And as far and I can't
Speaker 4: speak on behalf of everything, of all pagan things, instantly Satan,
Speaker 4: instantly Sex.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying no, no, no, dude, I I yeah, no.
Speaker 4: But as far as Egypt have when you look at
Speaker 4: the gods they worshiped and the story arcs of it.
Speaker 5: We've talked about Toat's come.
Speaker 4: Crown a few times, right, Sex, and all of these
Speaker 4: things were like super interwoven into the religion and it's.
Speaker 3: Not like.
Speaker 1: Believe Christianity.
Speaker 4: Our gods weren't incestuous in all of these things. Now,
Speaker 4: stories from the Bible of humans doing human shit, okay,
Speaker 4: they're humans, the gods and the pantheon doing wild things.
Speaker 4: But again, it's not just Egypt. Every pantheon has crazy stories.
Speaker 5: Some of them have.
Speaker 4: Morals to those, some of them are just stories of
Speaker 4: this is why this is because fucking it is like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, there's all kinds of it in between.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: The thing is is that, you know, Jacob, we started
Speaker 2: talking about the esoteric kind of stuff earlier. You kind
Speaker 2: of like to separate yourself from that because you think
Speaker 2: that that is not what the.
Speaker 1: Bible is all about.
Speaker 2: And you're right to have that belief, but you can't
Speaker 2: just instantly say that all the other religions, including like
Speaker 2: ancient Egypt, ancient like Mesopotamia, that kind of that kind
Speaker 2: of philosophy wasn't always exoteric. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: I would venture to say that it was ninety nine
Speaker 2: percent esoteric, meaning that it didn't matter if these people
Speaker 2: actually walk the earth or whatever. It's the stories and
Speaker 2: what you garnered from those stories, and so I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: did people literally leave in a sun god rack? Probably
Speaker 2: there were some people, just like there were most problems.
Speaker 4: They sacrificed their kids over it, like it wasn't a
Speaker 4: metaphor to them.
Speaker 3: They also talk about a time where the gods did
Speaker 3: walk the earth or the star people, those who from
Speaker 3: heaven fell or came to earth, whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call them. But no, dude, I actually agree with you, brother.
Speaker 3: I think there is a lot more of a meaning
Speaker 3: to a lot of things, and you find a lot
Speaker 3: of aspects of Buddhism Zorastraism. I probably butchered that name
Speaker 3: in Christianity, you know, so.
Speaker 4: Some yes, some know, we did an episode about zoroastrian
Speaker 4: Is is a fascinating religion. No shade thrown in it whatsoever,
Speaker 4: or or at the Egyptian religion for the record, no
Speaker 4: shade thrown at it.
Speaker 5: I'm saying that, like, look, if somebody.
Speaker 3: It's my favorite thing to look at into, dude, one
Speaker 3: of my things.
Speaker 4: They believe that these gods did walk the earth, the
Speaker 4: ancient Sumerians, the Nordics, they believe that Odin at one
Speaker 4: point walked the earth. They didn't think of this as
Speaker 4: just a metaphor of a story passed down.
Speaker 5: They believe this to be truth.
Speaker 3: But you you also have to look at it as
Speaker 3: they could be archetypes or roles being played.
Speaker 4: They got turned into that over time. Sure, that's got
Speaker 4: the legend of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah right right, Also our human characteristics, all our proclivities,
Speaker 3: we seem to when you read these stories, they had
Speaker 3: it first. They were having sex with anything they pour,
Speaker 3: so it says pouring their semen into something, and yeah, yeah, man, No,
Speaker 3: I do think that there's many ways to interpret these stories.
Speaker 5: Right, and I mean all gods did that.
Speaker 4: Look, most of the Greek pantheon, most of the Greek
Speaker 4: religion ninety five percent of it, and I'm being general,
Speaker 4: is is Zeus not being able to keep it in
Speaker 4: his pants.
Speaker 3: That's the truth of it.
Speaker 4: Ninety five percent of the Roman religion is Jupiter not
Speaker 4: being able to keep it in his pants, because literally
Speaker 4: Greek just with different names. That's not like me saying, well,
Speaker 4: the whole thing is sex. No, that's their stories. I
Speaker 4: didn't say that they did.
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny though?
Speaker 2: How most of where, like most of the biblical Christian
Speaker 2: stories stem from like Greek speaking people and people that
Speaker 2: were from Rome, right, Like, so that's why you would
Speaker 2: have a lot of crossover, That's why you'd have a
Speaker 2: lot of paganistic kind of stuff in there, because they
Speaker 2: were trying to be very inclusive.
Speaker 1: And that's why and and no shade Throne. I think that.
Speaker 2: Look, if you want to be inclusive, you want to
Speaker 2: try and rap as many people into your religion as
Speaker 2: you possibly can, then you're gonna say, yeah, Jesus was
Speaker 2: born on December twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he rose three days later.
Speaker 2: Would just so happened to like, would just so happen
Speaker 2: to intertwined with ishtar and shit lately?
Speaker 4: Oh No, he wasn't born in December twenty Fifth's that's
Speaker 4: very It's there's an argument to say it was sometime
Speaker 4: in the spring to summer, and then we're hearing more
Speaker 4: sources saying it was more like September time frame.
Speaker 5: Honestly, it could have been either or depends on which
Speaker 5: thing was being harvested. There there's on which socier reading,
Speaker 5: yes you.
Speaker 3: Are, they have been September eleventh. Yeah, there's also theories
Speaker 3: that maybe April Fool's Day. I've heard both they named
Speaker 3: it April Fool's Day, right, so yeahh but no, you're
Speaker 3: you're You're right, Jonathan, Yeah, it's and you know, when
Speaker 3: you look at the paganism behind Christmas. I'm actually gonna
Speaker 3: do an episode on this, like Santa Claus and the
Speaker 3: what's it called that Aminita mascaria mushroom, the reds and
Speaker 3: the chimney being your spinal cord and like all that stuff. Dude,
Speaker 3: that's gonna be a fun episode. But but yeah, you
Speaker 3: see the pagan stuff in Christmas, and people don't even
Speaker 3: know it or they won't accept it. Like me and
Speaker 3: my wife know, and we actually put up like a
Speaker 3: real reap one year that a lot of Christians would
Speaker 3: have called us pagan for doing. But you know, we we.
Speaker 4: Most of those Christians that do that really need to
Speaker 4: pull the stick from their ass. Like, yes, I understand
Speaker 4: bringing in an evergreen tree into your home during this
Speaker 4: time of year is considered a pagan practice.
Speaker 5: It's also considered American culture at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just you're also also.
Speaker 2: Like, pagan is such a wide term if you really
Speaker 2: think about it, Like literally, anybody who wasn't a Christian
Speaker 2: or a Jew was a pagan.
Speaker 1: According to the Christians and Jews.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just pre pre pre ahwah.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So whenever people say, oh, well it's paganistic values, it's like,
Speaker 2: I all right, listen to how like that sounds wrong?
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna tell you how it sounds wrong. The
Speaker 2: reason it sounds wrong is is because whenever you got
Speaker 2: a group of people, let's just say the Christians and
Speaker 2: the Jews, let's just say Abrahamic religion people, right, those
Speaker 2: people are saying, well, everybody that doesn't believe what we
Speaker 2: believe in, we're now going to label them pagan. So
Speaker 2: that means that literally, everybody that doesn't believe in you,
Speaker 2: you're now pushing beliefs on what they all believe collectively.
Speaker 2: And that's not necessarily the case. Some of them probably
Speaker 2: did some other people. They probably worshiped other shit. They
Speaker 2: probably there was probably a bunch of people that were
Speaker 2: into fay magic and people that were into all these
Speaker 2: other kinds of like forest magic and weird shit like
Speaker 2: I'm sure that like. And so whenever you say pagan
Speaker 2: it's an all encompassing stuff. Yeah, yeah, but it's all encompassing,
Speaker 2: and it shouldn't be all encompassing.
Speaker 4: You're It's the same with jew and Gentile. It's the
Speaker 4: same with a Muslim, in an Infidel, it's the same thing.
Speaker 4: There's labels. There's same with Gypsies. You're either a Gypsy
Speaker 4: or you're a Gorgia. There's there's the US in them.
Speaker 5: That's all. It's the label, dude, right right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. When I think of pagan, I
Speaker 3: just think of like you said, like pre pre pre Christian,
Speaker 3: pre Roman britt you know, up to Scandinavia, basically also tribes,
Speaker 3: just the Druidic tribes that were all throughout there. But
Speaker 3: I mean they not not saying that they all were
Speaker 3: part of the same kind of what you would probably
Speaker 3: refer to as a mystery school.
Speaker 5: I consider the Hindu's pagan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't know. I think the Hindu religion
Speaker 3: it's it's a little different.
Speaker 4: But I mean I don't mean that in a demeaning way.
Speaker 4: Pagan to me has never meant like, oh you pagans.
Speaker 4: Never some people do. It's been turned into a demeaning term,
Speaker 4: and I hate that. I mean it to mean literally anything.
Speaker 4: It could be Nordic, it could be Gaelic, it could
Speaker 4: be Hindu, it could be Buddhist. Okay, so you worship
Speaker 4: something other than me. Cool, I get it.
Speaker 1: Outside of the Bible, is pagan is basically.
Speaker 2: What you're saying, Okay, basically, dude, I don't think that
Speaker 2: it's a negative like kind of connotation. I would happily
Speaker 2: carry the term pagan on my name, dude.
Speaker 5: But it depends on the context.
Speaker 4: Like you said, paganistic view now, real shit, let's just
Speaker 4: have that talk. You mean, most morality of the entire
Speaker 4: earth up until this point, paganistic views. Now, there are
Speaker 4: some groups of Pagans with horrible views that do, in
Speaker 4: fact do like child sacrifice, rape as a part of
Speaker 4: their culture, child brides mutilation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we need
Speaker 4: to We need to fucking roast those people. Yes, But
Speaker 4: paganistic views, First of all, I know multiple Nordic Pagans
Speaker 4: and their view of morality and ethics and how to
Speaker 4: behave and how to speak and how to treat people
Speaker 4: and how to raise children. Gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 4: looks very similar to me as a Christian, just saying.
Speaker 3: You could say a lot of Pagans have like carry
Speaker 3: more Christian values than a lot of Christians.
Speaker 4: Right now, let's ask this, is that a Western culture
Speaker 4: thing or is that a religious dogma thing or.
Speaker 2: Did they learn how to be people without needing a
Speaker 2: religion to keep them in line?
Speaker 5: But that's my point. Was it just culture society taught
Speaker 5: them that?
Speaker 4: Because then we make the argument that Western society is
Speaker 4: Christian society because most of the Western culture is based
Speaker 4: off of Catholicism.
Speaker 5: What we want to acknowledge that or not. So it's
Speaker 5: like then it gets real murky.
Speaker 2: Well, it's I mean, it's always been you are who
Speaker 2: you surround yourself with, right Like, if you're like a
Speaker 2: good person, you surround yourself with good people, and you
Speaker 2: just so happen to be uh, I don't know, a
Speaker 2: fucking Hindu or something like that doesn't doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: you're going to be a bad person, you know, coming
Speaker 2: from the perspective of a Christian, right Like, it just
Speaker 2: means that, oh, there's somebody else that can have decent
Speaker 2: values that doesn't have to value what I value.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just have different beliefs. And it's the same
Speaker 3: thing you could say with people saying the Illuminati, when
Speaker 3: it's really like these like hundreds of these different mystery
Speaker 3: schools and these occult groups, and when you really get
Speaker 3: into it see that, you know. So, yeah, it's the
Speaker 3: same thing with labeling everything that's not Judeo Christian Pagan.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to come in here and be like
Speaker 2: a Karen. And for the record, for the record, i
Speaker 2: am wearing a nicotine patch and I'm chewing nicotine gum
Speaker 2: because i quit vaping a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: So I've been on on edge for a fucking minute.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry if your guy you guys are having
Speaker 1: to get your heads up.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, guys. This is the first
Speaker 3: podcast I've done where there's like someone with like in
Speaker 3: a different.
Speaker 1: I don't know, alternate view.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I kind of like.
Speaker 4: It, man, I really this is why we do this, dude,
Speaker 4: because and I we see eye to eye on like
Speaker 4: the big ship, on the like the real important Like Okay,
Speaker 4: first of all, pedophiles need to rot. Like we can
Speaker 4: all agree on that, you know what I'm saying, calling
Speaker 4: out the elites, calling out the government officials, bop bah bah.
Speaker 4: We agree on these things, but on these types of things, dude,
Speaker 4: this is never an echo chamber.
Speaker 5: It literally it can't be.
Speaker 3: And there's people that I watch it. I don't really
Speaker 3: agree with completely Adam Green being one of them and
Speaker 3: he's a pagan.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I disagree with that the shit he says,
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but how boring is it?
Speaker 2: How boring is it to put yourself in an echo
Speaker 2: chamber where everybody agrees with you like that is. I
Speaker 2: never want to be in that kind of group. And
Speaker 2: that's probably what like magnetically pulled me and Jacob together
Speaker 2: was because neither one of us really liked being in
Speaker 2: those echo chambery kind of groups.
Speaker 1: Because we like to believe that, like.
Speaker 2: Yo, we got you know, we're not just people that
Speaker 2: are following the masses. We're not just saying what what
Speaker 2: we're saying because one of our favorite people said it
Speaker 2: first and we like them, so we're gonna have the
Speaker 2: same kind of opinion. No, like miss us with that bullshit,
Speaker 2: Like this is open minded communication, And this is why
Speaker 2: we got on the mic in the first place, because
Speaker 2: we feel as if we're probably I'm not gonna say
Speaker 2: we're special by any means, but we're different than a
Speaker 2: lot of other podcasters out there, because there are a
Speaker 2: lot of podcasters out there where you're gonna have two
Speaker 2: or three or four hosts, and they all think the
Speaker 2: same exact thing.
Speaker 1: You may as well just.
Speaker 2: Don't let me say that. You may as well just
Speaker 2: just have one host at that point, right.
Speaker 5: I mean it's true.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, if you just do that, no one's
Speaker 4: ever gonna learn anything. Even I have learned a fuck
Speaker 4: ton from Jonathan. I'm assuming he's learned a fuck ton
Speaker 4: from me, and we collectively have learned a metric fuck
Speaker 4: ton from every single guest we've had on all right.
Speaker 4: And that's that's how growth happens. Uncomfortable conversations, getting into
Speaker 4: each other's shit, digging deeper into things, not just letting
Speaker 4: it lie, like dude, that is how information can get shared.
Speaker 4: That's how real education can happen. And that is how
Speaker 4: possibly a shred of some growth can happen across the board.
Speaker 4: And I mean, I'm not saying that we are making
Speaker 4: that happen, but the fact that we might be contributing,
Speaker 4: I mean, I love it, I really do.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, man, Hell yeah, dude, that's what we're all about.
Speaker 5: So all right, Joels, I.
Speaker 1: Want to ask you a couple of awesome questions.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: You and we tried to hit on a little bit earlier.
Speaker 2: What is this whole talk about Loheim, Because I do
Speaker 2: have a story that relates to the loheem. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to go I'll give you the spark.
Speaker 1: Notes to it.
Speaker 2: I did a Super Heroes dosage of mushrooms one evening
Speaker 2: by myself. Wasn't supposed to be that way. I was
Speaker 2: supposed to be sharing it with somebody else, but I
Speaker 2: ended up just being like, ah, they kind of they
Speaker 2: didn't they didn't feel like it that. Yeah, So you know,
Speaker 2: I got a little munched out and I hate the
Speaker 2: rest of them. Yeah, so anyway, I hate the rest
Speaker 2: of these mushrooms, which was I don't know, like a lot.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even tell you, But what's that?
Speaker 3: What kind were they?
Speaker 1: Hydroponics?
Speaker 3: The basic Little Brown's penis envy?
Speaker 4: No, yo, I did get my hands on some apes
Speaker 4: once upon a time, those things there.
Speaker 3: I was, Yeah, dude, I've had penis envy albino caps Amazon, like, dude,
Speaker 3: I've I've had like a couple from Southeast Asia. Been
Speaker 3: a while, been a while. I need to take a
Speaker 3: trip soon.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of gay to say the
Speaker 1: penis envy.
Speaker 3: First of all, yes, but a little gay maybe a
Speaker 3: little gay.
Speaker 2: So anyway, So anyway, I did a bunch of mushrooms
Speaker 2: one night, and long story short, I went to go
Speaker 2: lay down in my bed because I was really tired
Speaker 2: of tripping. You know, mushrooms can last six seven hours sometimes,
Speaker 2: and I was like, dude, just let me fall asleep.
Speaker 2: And I went to go lay in my bed and
Speaker 2: I hear like this trumpet voice and it announces itself
Speaker 2: as the Yelohem, and before I know it, I'm asking
Speaker 2: it questions and it's answering literally before I can even
Speaker 2: finish asking the question. And it was like it went
Speaker 2: on for like over one hundred questions. I don't remember
Speaker 2: exactly what they were, but I do remember feeling very
Speaker 2: comforted in what direction I was headed in afterward. And
Speaker 2: and so yeah, so that's why whenever you mentioned the
Speaker 2: whole lohem, I was like, let's see what you got
Speaker 2: here with the lohem did because I definitely ride with him.
Speaker 5: Well, it's it's really just.
Speaker 3: Should I should probably know like the real definition of
Speaker 3: the loheim. I do know. It pertains to let's see,
Speaker 3: let's get do you want to get like an actual definition?
Speaker 3: Because I can tell you my interpretation of what I
Speaker 3: think they are now, I think the eloheem are just
Speaker 3: so okay, So angel means messenger, right and in Greek.
Speaker 1: Could also could also mean.
Speaker 2: And that's where it gets very scuttled up, is where
Speaker 2: you know, angels are referred to as eloheim, God is
Speaker 2: referred to him as Lohem, and there's they, and we
Speaker 2: kind of talk whenever you're speaking of the elohem, and
Speaker 2: that's why I kind of wanted your interpretation of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the Lohem I think is plural, meaning like
Speaker 3: a collective of angels. And I do believe that there's
Speaker 3: some good and some bad, right now, could that be
Speaker 3: because of maybe they were sent here to guide humanity
Speaker 3: in a way, and maybe, uh, I don't know, try
Speaker 3: to masquerade, because I mean, I don't know. If you're
Speaker 3: an advanced being and you're from somewhere else, you're of
Speaker 3: a higher consciousness, I don't know. I'd i'd probably like
Speaker 3: it if people worship me too, right, I mean if
Speaker 3: if in that time, especially one hundred percent, So really,
Speaker 3: just what's up?
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this now, because in Genesis,
Speaker 2: if you go back to the original translation translation, it
Speaker 2: does say in the beginning eloheem created. So it's talking
Speaker 2: about where you would see the normal translation as God.
Speaker 1: It says, Eloheem.
Speaker 3: Created, created the heavens in the earth.
Speaker 1: So are you of the belief that God is plural?
Speaker 3: I think it's more of the belief that that story.
Speaker 3: So when you read the story of what I would
Speaker 3: call it the the Yloheim, the Fallen Lohem, you see
Speaker 3: that they may have taken creation and manipulated it, and
Speaker 3: that's where you get hybrids from. That's that's where you
Speaker 3: get fallen angelic races, even cryptids. You you could say
Speaker 3: that's something that I'm I'm kind of still looking into, dude.
Speaker 3: And the same thing goes with when when people give
Speaker 3: a name to the Creator, like Yahweh or Jehovah. Because
Speaker 3: Jehovah's Witness was started by Charles Tay's Russell of the
Speaker 3: Russell Illuminati bloodline right right, and they're worshiping Jehovah. Jay
Speaker 3: Z is called Jehovah. So I mean, I think when
Speaker 3: you give God too many names, you turn it into
Speaker 3: I don't know, or when when you give an entity
Speaker 3: too many names, you you kind of turn it into
Speaker 3: something else. I just like to call him the Creator.
Speaker 3: That's something that I'm just you know, kind of kind
Speaker 3: of kind of questionable about, and I have been right
Speaker 3: now that that doesn't change my belief that Christ came here,
Speaker 3: you know, from the Creator.
Speaker 4: Well, most believe the yellow heen being plural with me
Speaker 4: like father, son, and Holy Spirit, like kind of thing
Speaker 4: like let us create men an our image would be
Speaker 4: like the three in one thing?
Speaker 9: Do most believe that, Jacob, is that your believe Most
Speaker 9: Christians understand that that when we're speaking about God in
Speaker 9: the beginning, there was once God and the Word was God.
Speaker 5: And that's like the whole point. That would be the Holy.
Speaker 4: Spirit right be of God the Father, and we have
Speaker 4: the Son who He sent to her to be the sacrifice,
Speaker 4: and then the Holy Spirit that moves through both of them.
Speaker 5: And it's that's like.
Speaker 4: Again, per yeah, not where I'm at with it, But
Speaker 4: again it could also mean because God gave so many
Speaker 4: aims to call him.
Speaker 3: You know, you may be more grounded in your beliefs
Speaker 3: than than I am, you know, like opinion, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: But dude, I mean it's just stuff that I question. Man,
Speaker 3: I question quite a lot, probably too much, right, I mean.
Speaker 5: Not necessarily, dude, You're supposed to question ship.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well it's these translations and stuff. Everything has
Speaker 3: been rewritten so much over time, changed in some way
Speaker 3: or you know, So that's why I you know, I
Speaker 3: think the Bible is very important on getting to Christ,
Speaker 3: getting in touch with that Holy Spirit. But as far
Speaker 3: as the relationship with Christ, I think you can't find
Speaker 3: knowledge in those texts. But I think it is more
Speaker 3: of a spiritual thing something you have to do every
Speaker 3: day in your life. Agreed. Yeah, yeah, I mean you'll
Speaker 3: never be perfect, right, Nope, but that that's the point,
Speaker 3: is to constantly have faith, right and to stay stay
Speaker 3: walking in that light. So, like I said, man, a
Speaker 3: lot of there's some Christians that don't probably don't like me.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's their problem.
Speaker 1: Look, most Christians probably wouldn't agree with most other Christians.
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: I would venture because I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 2: We've talked to a lot of Christians on this show,
Speaker 2: and Jacob is just about a I mean, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna say they love me, but I would say that
Speaker 2: like absolutely, like just seeing it hate me. Well that's
Speaker 2: what I was gonna say, is that just looking at
Speaker 2: the conversations between a Christian guest that we get on
Speaker 2: and Jacob.
Speaker 1: Love this most of the time.
Speaker 2: They're there are different philosophies and different ways of looking
Speaker 2: at the Bible, and that it didn't mean this, No,
Speaker 2: it meant this. And it's not necessarily an argument or
Speaker 2: a battle or anything. It's just you know, uh, two
Speaker 2: different personalities coming together and trying to makes sense of
Speaker 2: this ancient doctrine that we call the Bible. And you
Speaker 2: know that's which is fun. It's fun like seeing the
Speaker 2: different people and saying, this.
Speaker 1: Is what I believe out of it. No, this is
Speaker 1: what I believe about.
Speaker 2: It, because that's where I find most of my like
Speaker 2: Christian knowledge is on the show like Believe it or not.
Speaker 2: And I'm not a Christian, but I'm always here to
Speaker 2: listen to it, and I love hearing whenever people bring up,
Speaker 2: like what they found in the Bible.
Speaker 1: Some of the crazy stories and some of the crazy.
Speaker 2: Connections that even like the connections with Christianity and other religions,
Speaker 2: like I find that pretty fascinating as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that that is fascinating, dude. And you see
Speaker 3: it with the Old Testament, like with with with what
Speaker 3: you were saying, people were fucked up in the Old Testament, man,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, I mean, and that's why I believe
Speaker 3: the New Testament is a little more important as well
Speaker 3: as it's a new Covenant, right, So not to forget
Speaker 3: the Old Covenant, but yeah, and there's a lot we
Speaker 3: could go into with that would with the the US.
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all y'all talked about the.
Speaker 5: I see huh. So you know who Brandon Kroll is.
Speaker 3: I I haven't talked to Brandon, but I saw him
Speaker 3: on NDS and he went on Realities Ours but I haven't.
Speaker 3: I did just have dustin Nemo so on, so that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that was interesting. He's he's a pretty cool guy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's kind of
Speaker 3: impossible to get in to not get into that stuff,
Speaker 3: especially when you you're talking about the culture right now
Speaker 3: and what's going on in the world. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: all eyes are really on one place, right.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, talk about Israel?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, why are they?
Speaker 5: Why are all eyes there?
Speaker 4: I guess it depends on which side of the isle
Speaker 4: you're asking, though you ask the Democrats.
Speaker 5: All eyes are in Ukraine and Iran.
Speaker 3: We could get into that, man, all eyes are on
Speaker 3: there because I mean, we're sending all our.
Speaker 1: Money there right in Ukraine.
Speaker 3: You mean, oh Ukraine, there's two proxy wars that were
Speaker 3: funding I think. Yeah, dude, I think I don't know, man.
Speaker 3: And is there something to the Israel the isis ra.
Speaker 1: L Right, I have heard a little bit of you know,
Speaker 1: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Just like with Genesis, the generations of Isis. Like you
Speaker 3: when you when you recognize etymology, Man, it's something you
Speaker 3: have to question rights and it may be uncomfortable, but
Speaker 3: something I have to deal with in my own life.
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, I mean, I don't know. I think
Speaker 3: in the last and in the last year, a lot
Speaker 3: of people have woken up to I don't know the
Speaker 3: strings being pulled in our world that have been being
Speaker 3: pulled for a long time now. And uh, when you
Speaker 3: recognize a lot of the ancient mystery schools, they all
Speaker 3: go back to the Kabbalah, right, they all the Kabbalic mysticism. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Freemasonry isn't you know? Jewish? Solomon was a jewe.
Speaker 4: Man book Morals and Dogma says without the kabbala what
Speaker 4: is freemasonry?
Speaker 3: There? You go? Brother? Yeah, man, So you gotta you
Speaker 3: gotta look at that stuff. And and also the whole
Speaker 3: thing you have the theory of Trump being the the Motionoch, right,
Speaker 3: meaning the Messiah.
Speaker 4: Okay, so what have you found on this regard Because
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest with you, half the people believe
Speaker 4: that he is the Antichrist, half the people believe he's
Speaker 4: the actual Mesah, and then there's normal people who are like, bro,
Speaker 4: what are y'all talking about?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: So I think we're there in the middle, like, what
Speaker 3: are y'all talking about?
Speaker 4: So from your angle and from your level of research,
Speaker 4: what have you found on this which side looks like
Speaker 4: it might have a little more credence than the other
Speaker 4: to you personally?
Speaker 5: Where yet?
Speaker 3: Well, dude, I mean you can see that there are
Speaker 3: like top tier rabbis out there calling him their motion mhm,
Speaker 3: like straight up, just like Trump, Trump is the Messiah,
Speaker 3: you know, like oh, and then you're just like whoa dude,
Speaker 3: because you know, Christ wasn't there there, Messiah. He was
Speaker 3: a liar and a thief to the most Jews, right
Speaker 3: and and uh, when you read I mean you can
Speaker 3: talk about the talent, and the talent is misquoted. They
Speaker 3: put those fake memes out there to kind of like
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, if you try to bring it
Speaker 3: up to a Jew, they'll be like, that's not real.
Speaker 3: That's not real, that's not real. Uh. But some of
Speaker 3: those are real. And when you read it that a
Speaker 3: lot of the shit is real. They just it's real,
Speaker 3: well hidden. Right.
Speaker 4: Look at Ari Shaffir, he he wasn't you know that
Speaker 4: is uh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: The comedian dude.
Speaker 4: He was in rebbiblical school and then left it all.
Speaker 4: I think he's an atheist these days. But like he
Speaker 4: did a whole comedy special called the Jew or I
Speaker 4: think just Jew, and he brought up all these ridiculous
Speaker 4: rules that are in the Talmud that like he broke
Speaker 4: down the correct context and it's.
Speaker 5: This whole thing. It's like, yo, some of those.
Speaker 4: You're correct, are out of context and horribly misquoted.
Speaker 5: Some of those are not. Some of those are actually
Speaker 5: true to form.
Speaker 3: It's more absolutely right, and the real fucked up ones
Speaker 3: are not right.
Speaker 4: Like it's wild, dude, it's wild, dude. And but the
Speaker 4: same could be said about Islam too. I saw this
Speaker 4: one thing. It was like twenty quotes from the Koran,
Speaker 4: and it talked about how find the infidels where you
Speaker 4: can and hook them by their bellies and all these things.
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, yeah, some of those on.
Speaker 4: This list were misquoted because if you look at the
Speaker 4: context that this was talking about, they had just been
Speaker 4: attacked by these people. They were about to go get retribution.
Speaker 4: There was like a whole thing to it. But then
Speaker 4: there were other ones that were absolutely not out of context,
Speaker 4: were absolutely what we were thinking they were trying to say.
Speaker 4: And basically they think that they think all infidels should
Speaker 4: be slaughtered or forced to convert, and that's like a
Speaker 4: real thing, and it's like.
Speaker 5: Okay, cool. And then there are others from the Old Testament,
Speaker 5: same shit, some of them horribly misquoted, some of them
Speaker 5: as much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, dude, you're you're absolutely right, man. And so
Speaker 3: I guess it's like a question of it, like is
Speaker 3: it Jewish supremacy. Yeah, I think it is. I mean
Speaker 3: that's why they refer to everyone who's a gentile as
Speaker 3: a as a boy, right, which means cattle, and so
Speaker 3: like we're just their their work slaves basically, like, and
Speaker 3: they'll admit to that, like we do all the workout
Speaker 3: in the real world, and they sit up, you know,
Speaker 3: running all the corporations and all this stuff and just
Speaker 3: kind of you know, watch watch everything play out, and uh,
Speaker 3: they'll admit to this stuff. Bro.
Speaker 5: Like bro to our homie on the front lines in Israel, Jonathan.
Speaker 5: I just remember it. He came on our show once
Speaker 5: upon a time. He's in Israel. We have been going on.
Speaker 4: Not just this episode, multiple episodes about this type of topic.
Speaker 5: I'm wondering what his like thoughts are on this.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's been getting smoked in my fantasy
Speaker 1: football league, though, yo?
Speaker 5: Has he?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He started out strong, but then he, like a lot
Speaker 2: of his players, got injured, and I don't know. He
Speaker 2: might be fighting a war and not setting his lineup,
Speaker 2: which that's okay.
Speaker 4: Pick your priorities, dude, fantasy football or the front line.
Speaker 1: Come on now, I mean, I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: world where there's time for both. Personally, I feel like
Speaker 1: there should be learn to time manage better.
Speaker 2: Bro, Come on, I mean, just check it while you're
Speaker 2: on the shitter in the morning at least, Bro, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yo, Is he still fighting?
Speaker 1: I suppose he is.
Speaker 2: He was only down for that short period of time
Speaker 2: that he said he was getting back out there.
Speaker 5: So I wonder, all right, because and not just to
Speaker 5: that one homie shout.
Speaker 2: Out to ari Ya, I'm wondering how they feel about
Speaker 2: the whole Jewish supremacy thing, because like, it's not them.
Speaker 4: It's obviously like Rothschild. It's obviously like that echelon of
Speaker 4: these people.
Speaker 3: But like there's a Rothschild boulevard in Israel, right, correct,
Speaker 3: Victor Rothschild did the ballfloor decoration? Is Lord Balfloor?
Speaker 4: Do we know if David is the new patriarch? I
Speaker 4: think they named him as the new and everything Jacob died.
Speaker 3: David Rod that's Evelyn's son, right, I think? So Nathaniel,
Speaker 3: there's Nathaniel who's Jacob's son. And this is one of
Speaker 3: the first things when I started doing research back when
Speaker 3: I got clean. I dived it into the bloodlines and
Speaker 3: like who these families were, their story, like all this stuff.
Speaker 3: And so there's Nathaniel who's the son of Jacob, and
Speaker 3: then there is David.
Speaker 4: Nathaniel's an idiot, though, isn't he Like he's he's nick
Speaker 4: he is. Yeah, the inbreeding went a little deep on
Speaker 4: that one. Like if I'm not mistaken, and if I'm
Speaker 4: If I'm wrong, then fuck it.
Speaker 5: It's a rothschild, doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: But like I'm just saying, if I'm not mistaken, he
Speaker 4: because you know, they can only marry second cousins are closer.
Speaker 5: That's how they kept it.
Speaker 3: Why what's his name? Married to Hilton exactly? Exactly right,
Speaker 3: So John or not John? What the fuck's his name? Uh?
Speaker 3: I think he may be the son of the roths
Speaker 3: child that hanged himself, James, James, the rothschild.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but like Nathaniel, like there was yeah right
Speaker 5: right right hung hung hu.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but uh, the they were talking about maybe Nathaniel
Speaker 4: would take it, but like no one thought that was
Speaker 4: a smooth move for the family.
Speaker 5: I want to say they named David as the new head.
Speaker 5: Could be wrong, could be wrong. Maybe they did give
Speaker 5: its old Nate. Well, he's the.
Speaker 3: One out there doing all his global warming shilling and shit.
Speaker 4: And I feel like that's kind of why they did,
Speaker 4: because he's young, he's still out there, he's still.
Speaker 3: Gives He kind of looks like Jesus, right exactly.
Speaker 4: And so if you've already got that going on and
Speaker 4: you've got that type of fortune behind you, like he
Speaker 4: has the energy to push the family through the next
Speaker 4: fifty years.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Right right?
Speaker 5: Who knows for a while?
Speaker 3: Dude, they had that for quite some time.
Speaker 5: It was wild when he died. He died in seventies.
Speaker 5: They usually lived to their nineties.
Speaker 4: There was a big talk if there was some controversy
Speaker 4: around his death, but as far as every record I
Speaker 4: could find, this was from natural causes.
Speaker 5: Nothing looked awry.
Speaker 4: But uh, speaking of random deaths, have y'all heard about
Speaker 4: the assassination in New York.
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask y'all about that. What so, like
Speaker 3: what happened? Because I've seen the stills of the motherfucker
Speaker 3: on the camera and he's just like real, kind of
Speaker 3: like no home homo, but like kind of handsome. It
Speaker 3: looks happy, Yeah, it looks very happy.
Speaker 4: But then there's another still frame of a completely different
Speaker 4: dude wearing the same coat, and it's like, wait, that's
Speaker 4: not even the right guy. I'm hearing people say, Oh,
Speaker 4: this dude at prior training. He could tell by the
Speaker 4: way he hailed the pistol. But then the gun jammed
Speaker 4: three fucking times. I don't know an assassin that would
Speaker 4: have that happen.
Speaker 3: That's that shit work man.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, Like, was this like the d
Speaker 4: squad amateur dude? Yeah, yeah, amateur hour out here.
Speaker 5: Boys.
Speaker 3: Wow, he just capped the uh who uh the United States?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 3: Who was it again?
Speaker 4: Ahead of the healthcare dude?
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't he fuck over tons of like lower class
Speaker 3: families and like, yeah, class families.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, these fucking idiots.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: They all right, bro, the news, the mainstream media is saying,
Speaker 4: there seems to be no clear motive as to why
Speaker 4: this this man.
Speaker 5: All right, pause.
Speaker 4: This is the CEO of United Healthcare. They are the
Speaker 4: largest healthcare insurance brokerage on Earth. Hard pause on that
Speaker 4: the CEO of this organization gets shot outside of a
Speaker 4: hotel at a charity event, and you think that there
Speaker 4: was no motive, that's right, that's right off the rip.
Speaker 5: Preposterous.
Speaker 4: Then we find out, oh wait a minute, he's indicted
Speaker 4: for like was it twelve billion or some shit. He
Speaker 4: and his buddies are being indicted for like a massive
Speaker 4: Ponzi scheme.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like, dude, I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, No, that's gonna start coming out in
Speaker 4: the next couple of days. It's I'm telling you, bro,
Speaker 4: it's a wild time to be alive.
Speaker 5: It's not even a political assassinations. They're going for insurance CEOs. Now.
Speaker 5: The fucking bullets had words on them.
Speaker 4: What was it like, uh disrupt, uh disturb and disposed?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, bro, wow, dude.
Speaker 5: That's fucking that's kind of cryptic.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 5: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Well, and if you look at the uh, if you
Speaker 2: look at mainstream media reporting it, they are all, you know,
Speaker 2: getting in lockstep saying the same exact thing. If you
Speaker 2: check out AP news, this is actually uh Isaac Wisup
Speaker 2: posted this the other day, which I love him, but
Speaker 2: it says AP news reported United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson
Speaker 2: kept a low profile, then he was shot. Then you
Speaker 2: check out the telegraphed Brian Thompson, the health insurance lifer
Speaker 2: who kept a deliberately low profile.
Speaker 1: Checkout PBS.
Speaker 2: United Healthcare ceo kept a low public profile before he
Speaker 2: was killed in a New York attack. CBS news, Who
Speaker 2: was Brian Thompson, the United Healthcare ceo shot dead in Manhattan?
Speaker 2: And it's like and then you got inc dot com
Speaker 2: slain United Healthcare ceo kept a low profile before his
Speaker 2: shocking killing, Like, why why is it so important that
Speaker 2: you get out the message that he was keeping a
Speaker 2: low profile?
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted, right.
Speaker 4: Nobody knew who this guy was. It's not like this
Speaker 4: is Tony Stark. He's not some playboy billionaire philanthropist.
Speaker 5: It's like he died.
Speaker 4: No one knows this fucking guy's name. Bro, Like, of
Speaker 4: course he kept a low profile. He's a billionaire. But
Speaker 4: all the news mea, they got to keep that rolling.
Speaker 4: They just got to keep more words, sin words, throw
Speaker 4: more things at.
Speaker 5: The wall, just to see what sticks until you find
Speaker 5: out more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it keeps people from questioning what may have
Speaker 3: really happened, right and looking into it more, which you know,
Speaker 3: schizos are like an autists are just going to go
Speaker 3: do a.
Speaker 5: You're speaking to two professional autists. Do we weaponize our shit?
Speaker 3: Me too?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 2: It is interesting and and uh, you know, I whenever
Speaker 2: I see shit like that, it makes me wonder how
Speaker 2: many of these mainstream media articles are written by AI
Speaker 2: you know, like where you only type in a couple
Speaker 2: of keywords and then it writes the whole thing for you.
Speaker 2: It makes me think whenever you got like is it yeah,
Speaker 2: I know that there's a lot of news that you know,
Speaker 2: they they kind of get like their information from the
Speaker 2: top down. So a lot of your local news is
Speaker 2: going to be literally reading almost word for word. If
Speaker 2: it's something that's happened nationally, it's gonna be reading word
Speaker 2: for word from whatever was trickled down to them. But
Speaker 2: this kind of thing right here, it seems a little
Speaker 2: bit different as far as like maybe AI.
Speaker 4: Do you remember the Hollywood writers strike because AI was
Speaker 4: taking their jobs. Bro, every reporter that's like, you know,
Speaker 4: got a million things they're trying to do. Of course,
Speaker 4: I'll throw some AI on a thing to get an
Speaker 4: article written to meet a.
Speaker 5: Deadline, for sure. Why I know you gotta stay competitive.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I it doesn't even shock me if AI
Speaker 4: wrote every one of those.
Speaker 5: To be honest with.
Speaker 2: You, it's probably the case because these people are so unoriginal, Bro,
Speaker 2: They've just been parroting the same old bullshit and nobody's
Speaker 2: listening to them. And if nobody's listening to them, that
Speaker 2: means their ratings are going down. And if their ratings
Speaker 2: are going down, then they're not making any money on
Speaker 2: their TV shows or any of their articles, because nothing
Speaker 2: you say is even clickbaity anymore, because you've been proven
Speaker 2: false and in steering an agenda for years now, and
Speaker 2: I think the.
Speaker 1: Majority of people are just kind of fed up with it.
Speaker 2: So what do you do instead of having to pay
Speaker 2: some kind of journalist or some kind of publisher or
Speaker 2: somebody like.
Speaker 3: That, just higher AI.
Speaker 5: It's free, and that AI.
Speaker 1: Doesn't really it doesn't matter like if this, if this
Speaker 1: article gets one click or five million clicks.
Speaker 2: That AI it doesn't really matter. Like it's not getting
Speaker 2: paid one way or another either either way.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, dude, the mainstream media is cooked, bro, Like
Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's a rap for them. Yeah. But
Speaker 3: it's crazy how you can get AI to literally like
Speaker 3: write or create anything for you now, like any image.
Speaker 3: It's fucking wild, dude. I remember when they really got
Speaker 3: big these past couple of years and all these like
Speaker 3: cryptied you know, these fake Cryptid images and stuff were
Speaker 3: coming out and giants and all that. It's, uh, it's
Speaker 3: very discrediting, you know, uh to people who have been
Speaker 3: looking at into that ship for a while. I do
Speaker 3: a cryptid show. That's what my last show I didn't
Speaker 3: mention earlier, called Cryptid Watch where on every other Sunday, actually,
Speaker 3: like next Sunday, I go live on Rumble and they
Speaker 3: hang out with with my chat and just watch cryptid
Speaker 3: videos for a couple of hours. It's good ship. And
Speaker 3: now we talk about like the relations between cryptids and
Speaker 3: like where they may have come from and a lot
Speaker 3: because like what I was saying earlier in the Sumerian stories,
Speaker 3: especially with Inky and both who his earlier name was
Speaker 3: Ninga Zita. He is like the middle child of of Inky. Uh.
Speaker 3: They were creating hybrids, right, like all these humanoids and stuff.
Speaker 3: And and then the story it says they were naming
Speaker 3: them like a Damu and a Dappa, which would be
Speaker 3: like Adam, right, but all the these other creations like
Speaker 3: they weren't. They all had these like abnormalities about them,
Speaker 3: so they would just let them go, right, like hundreds
Speaker 3: of different hybrids and stuff. So that's one way to
Speaker 3: look at it.
Speaker 5: What are your sources for that?
Speaker 3: For for for what?
Speaker 4: For pretty much that entire uh spectrum of thinking so
Speaker 4: to speak.
Speaker 3: Oh no, that's that's just the Sumerian stories and got uh.
Speaker 3: The the the interpretation of like this tablet called Inky
Speaker 3: in the world order, got you I got you, which
Speaker 3: is mostly you know, Sitching translated wrote and like a
Speaker 3: lot of people don't like him, so you have to
Speaker 3: kind of That's why I questioned some of what he writes.
Speaker 3: You know, I have some healthy skepticism about it. I
Speaker 3: just find the similarities in these other stories to be uncanny, dude, like.
Speaker 1: Shout out to planet X. Huh, shout out to planet X.
Speaker 3: Shout out planet X, which may be a dimension? Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, well debrew as as a dimension, dude, maybe.
Speaker 1: It's very well possible, dude. I think that. As far
Speaker 1: as like who knows what the hell Zacharia Sitchen was
Speaker 1: or is it Zechariah?
Speaker 3: I think uh Riah Sichen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it's it's pretty crazy either way. But I
Speaker 2: did want to get your opinion on it. As far
Speaker 2: as the cryptids and whenever you talk about Bigfoot and
Speaker 2: just name your cryptid, really, but do you believe that
Speaker 2: they're all nephelum?
Speaker 4: That's a fair question because we have had a lot
Speaker 4: of different people run the gambit on this, like are
Speaker 4: we talking Bigfoot and Nessy and the Jersey Devil or
Speaker 4: what do we mean?
Speaker 5: I mean skin Walker.
Speaker 3: About portals and stuff. I think some some of these cryptids,
Speaker 3: these these creatures may come from other places. Now, I
Speaker 3: think when you look at the nephilum Uh, now this
Speaker 3: comes from you know, the gigi angels, like the the
Speaker 3: Lesser Watcher angels. You had the Nephilum, but you also
Speaker 3: had other tribes of giants, right, you had the rep
Speaker 3: i Em, you had the anachem Uh and a couple
Speaker 3: other ones. But they had the Nephilam had kids and
Speaker 3: and they're I think they're called the nephil and then
Speaker 3: the Elho. And this is a they basically like the
Speaker 3: description next to him in one of the books that
Speaker 3: I have is of like a caveman and the other
Speaker 3: one looking like a sasquatch. Right, So I think maybe
Speaker 3: some cryptids may stem from ancient races of giants. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that could be possible now all of them.
Speaker 3: I do think Mathman maybe like a fallen angel or
Speaker 3: something like race. Like, dude, it's it's it's a lot
Speaker 3: to get into. That's one of the fucking best things
Speaker 3: about it, though. What do you feel about chop of cabrachopacabra, dude, jupcabra.
Speaker 5: Blood sucking? Where are you going with this?
Speaker 3: Bro, Bro, I'm just good dude. I mean that could
Speaker 3: go back to some hybrid animal. Also when you look
Speaker 3: at dog Man, I mean there's ancient stories of dog Man,
Speaker 3: right like, Bro, I'm so.
Speaker 5: Glad you brought up dog Man. Jonathan. We need to
Speaker 5: get Scott pasteback on.
Speaker 4: I was just talking to somebody about him the other day,
Speaker 4: sasquatch dog Man.
Speaker 3: We gotta do this, I gotta get somebody on the
Speaker 3: talk about cryptids.
Speaker 1: Oh well, we'll hook you up little with old Scottie, cause, uh, you.
Speaker 5: Know what they say for you.
Speaker 1: They say, typically Scotty doesn't know, but this guy he does.
Speaker 2: And this guy knows all there is to know about
Speaker 2: Bigfoot and dog Man.
Speaker 1: He has little baby Bigfoot to run around in his
Speaker 1: house and shit allegedly.
Speaker 4: He this man, now people, some people will agree with
Speaker 4: him and believe him on some people very much, don't.
Speaker 5: He knows all of it. He's gotten all the hate whatever.
Speaker 4: But you, being a man who looks into the Bible,
Speaker 4: you know what a schofarn is or so far the
Speaker 4: two horn thing? Yes, yes, yes, So he says that
Speaker 4: he went out and I forget what the name of
Speaker 4: the desert was somewhere out west, and if you blow
Speaker 4: on this thing, this is a homing beacon, and it's
Speaker 4: like the sound of war and the Sasquatch and the
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, the tree folk credit no, no, no, not faithfolk,
Speaker 4: the tree people. They live within the trees. These are
Speaker 4: not like wood elves. We're talking sasquatch here, but they
Speaker 4: consider themselves the wood people, and the dog men that
Speaker 4: protect them, all speaking telepathically, will come to your aid.
Speaker 4: There is a group of people out there that believe
Speaker 4: that is what brought.
Speaker 5: Down the walls of Jericho. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's somebody who believes in the invisible Bigfoot, in the
Speaker 2: invisible dog Manfoot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right well, and the the idea.
Speaker 3: Maybe the Guardians of Hollow Earth.
Speaker 5: Right well.
Speaker 2: The idea is is that within the Bible, what was
Speaker 2: there like forces seen and unseen?
Speaker 3: Right right?
Speaker 4: He brought up a quote where it said I'm the
Speaker 4: God of all things seen and unseen. Now, some people
Speaker 4: would mean the physical realm and the angelic realm, right.
Speaker 4: Some people believe that this and does in fact refer
Speaker 4: to the interdimensional cryptid beings that we may or may
Speaker 4: not have jumping in and out of time. And space,
Speaker 4: and like, I mean, who really knows? But Yo, you
Speaker 4: want a guess to talk about these things, bro, we
Speaker 4: got we got a guy.
Speaker 3: I'm interested in the wood people, Dude, I want to
Speaker 3: know about them? Yea, Well what do y'all know about them?
Speaker 5: You're close enough you could come to the camping trip
Speaker 5: with us.
Speaker 3: I fucking could, dude. Holy shit, hell, think about that, dude.
Speaker 4: Kasatchee National Forest is where this tribe lives. According to
Speaker 4: our boy Scott, he has invited us to go camping
Speaker 4: out there to meet them for ourselves. We haven't had
Speaker 4: time or resources to do it, but one day soon.
Speaker 5: Look, you're right there in Mississippi. Bro, it's just a
Speaker 5: skip and a hop over. You're talking North Louisiana.
Speaker 3: Okay, No, I me, dude, Me and my wife will come. Dude.
Speaker 3: She she's the one that got me into all this stuff, you.
Speaker 5: Know, Bro, get Nick out there tomorrow podcast.
Speaker 3: Too soon too? So uh, y'all y'all have to come
Speaker 3: on sometime, man. I So, do y'all ever go live
Speaker 3: or anything? Uh?
Speaker 5: Tuesday nights? Said?
Speaker 3: Tuesday nights? Okay? Okay, y'all should Uh y'all should come
Speaker 3: on a Friday night, on on on my podcast or something.
Speaker 3: We can go live on Rumble Duo. Have a bunch
Speaker 3: of people. There be fun. Okay, but uh yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: me and my wife had been talking about going to
Speaker 3: uh what's it called Thenvool National Forest. Yeah, dude, like
Speaker 3: forty five minutes an hour south to here. They apparently
Speaker 3: there's Sasquatches. They're also Taylor, Taylor, Mississippi up there. There's
Speaker 3: a dog man up there, and uh, there's apparently if
Speaker 3: you go on YouTube and look, just type in the
Speaker 3: tailor dog man. There's a picture on a video that
Speaker 3: it shows. Dude, you should shut it up.
Speaker 5: What John think it? Don't?
Speaker 4: Let's do this because I got to think about Billy
Speaker 4: Carson pulled up from earlier.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: I want to look up this dog man thing, the Taylor,
Speaker 4: Mississippi dog man video.
Speaker 3: The tailor dog man.
Speaker 11: What is happening?
Speaker 5: Whoa is it?
Speaker 1: This kind of creature?
Speaker 3: This first one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, alleged dog man Taylor, Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, that thing's terrifying exactly.
Speaker 3: It looks very very gruesome.
Speaker 4: Dude, Bro, that's the thing that came after our boys, Scott.
Speaker 4: The Sasquats had to call it off because it was
Speaker 4: about to fucking kill him.
Speaker 1: Dude, allegedly. And all right, so while we're on.
Speaker 2: The topic of the Sasquatch and the dog Man, the
Speaker 2: reason why I.
Speaker 1: Asked you is, if you believe that all of these.
Speaker 2: Kind of cryptids are nephelum from their ancestry, whatever.
Speaker 1: Do you believe? When do you think?
Speaker 2: Just I'm trying to get like a timeline here and
Speaker 2: uh and and this could be something that's very well
Speaker 2: known amongst people.
Speaker 1: Maybe I just don't.
Speaker 2: Know, But around when did the fallen angels come down
Speaker 2: and mate with everything? Was that before Adam and Eve
Speaker 2: or after Adam and Eve?
Speaker 3: So in their story it was basically it was in
Speaker 3: the times of it. They were already here. There was
Speaker 3: another faction of them on Mars uh, the led by
Speaker 3: Inky's oldest son, mar Duke, who you could also call
Speaker 3: Bell Mars Marrow dac a Zazel Uh and he was
Speaker 3: leading the like these worker and Anaki. Basically you know,
Speaker 3: the whole the whole thing with the gold mining. Mars
Speaker 3: was away station for for them. Uh. But when you
Speaker 3: look at other esoteric teachings, they talk about uh Samyaza
Speaker 3: or sam I l well. Okay, So I used to
Speaker 3: think that sam Samyaza was the same as Samiel. I
Speaker 3: was told by a viewer of one of the shows
Speaker 3: that I do that Samio was an was the earlier
Speaker 3: class of angels that fell that when I equated him
Speaker 3: with Inky because Inky was the first of the fallen
Speaker 3: to come to Earth. Okay, I take that back. It
Speaker 3: was Aniberian exiled king named a Lailu. You all seen
Speaker 3: the face on Mars, right, No, there's a face on
Speaker 3: Mars and a pyramid on Mars. Okay, from what they've
Speaker 3: shown us right now, we don't know what that's faking.
Speaker 3: Gay sure could be could be some other land on
Speaker 3: Earth that we don't know about, right, Okay. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of ways to look at it. That's why I say, like,
Speaker 3: I don't subscribe like to the Cisions story. When I'm
Speaker 3: doing my Ananaki episodes, I kind of do, but I
Speaker 3: also throw in stuff like this all the time, you know,
Speaker 3: just to kind of question it. Yeah, but apparently that's
Speaker 3: the tomb of Laylu, who like wrestled with Anu for
Speaker 3: Kingship over Earth and uh, he bit on his penis
Speaker 3: off in the wrestling match. Apparently and my co host
Speaker 3: Adrian thinks it's it's metaphoric. I think they were being gay.
Speaker 5: So I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's hard to not say that the religion was sex based.
Speaker 4: Whenever the critical corner stone, they.
Speaker 3: Would do these ancient wrestling matches where they were getting
Speaker 3: naked somehow making gay.
Speaker 4: But this is like what whatever, I don't even know, bro,
Speaker 4: I don't even know.
Speaker 3: Yeh man, No, this is just uh one, you know,
Speaker 3: this is just a translation of a story. It could
Speaker 3: all be wrong, you know. But the h Inky and
Speaker 3: everything he did, he poured his semen, it said into uh.
Speaker 3: So they were already humans on Earth when they got there.
Speaker 3: Right when you look back at Lemuria and Atlantis, it
Speaker 3: lines up with Lemuria being pre Atlantic. Atlantis was an
Speaker 3: Anonachi civilization. I have a theory or I've heard a
Speaker 3: theory and I kind of agree with it that it
Speaker 3: may have been a worldwide civilization and that island was
Speaker 3: just the capital. Now in the story that would be
Speaker 3: pre biblical, right or maybe going on at the same time,
Speaker 3: just not included well because it talks about Foth or
Speaker 3: whatever going to Egypt afterwards after the fall of Atlantis.
Speaker 4: But I mean the Bible has taken from the perspective
Speaker 4: of the Hebrews of the Jews, and like they were
Speaker 4: in Egypt, so like stuff was popping in Europe, stuff
Speaker 4: was popping in what we now call Japan. But like
Speaker 4: the Bible was only talking about that one spot.
Speaker 5: So I mean, who's to say, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, dude, And there was probably a lot more
Speaker 3: like in antiquity, probably a lot more land masks too, right,
Speaker 3: because it was all one at one time. And that's
Speaker 3: why I think where we live may have been fit
Speaker 3: right into the fertile crescent right there, talking about.
Speaker 5: The more landlord. Yeah, Florida.
Speaker 3: Where did that go? Right to qub theories that Florida
Speaker 3: is the Garden of Eden.
Speaker 4: I've heard people say that the Mississippi River is the
Speaker 4: Nile of this hemisphere. I've heard that before as well,
Speaker 4: which makes where I live literally the Nile river delta
Speaker 4: of this hemisphere, which is dope.
Speaker 5: But uh, I wanted to ask.
Speaker 3: You, hold on shit, sorry, bro, I I go from one.
Speaker 5: No, no, I know, but it was it was on this topic. Yeah,
Speaker 5: what were we talking about before that?
Speaker 3: The mating with the women?
Speaker 2: Well oh all right, well look the reason why I asked.
Speaker 2: When I asked, I wasn't sure that you were going
Speaker 2: to go down in the uh sitchen kind of understanding,
Speaker 2: but just from a biblical understanding, like according to like,
Speaker 2: let's just lay out a timeline, the fallen ones came
Speaker 2: down both, So the fallen ones came down before Adam
Speaker 2: and Eve and after Adam and Yes.
Speaker 3: Yes there were classes of them that came down, and
Speaker 3: it was the sons of the original ones that were there.
Speaker 3: That's where you get the Watcher Angels. Now, they, like
Speaker 3: I told y'all earlier, they do refer to the Creator
Speaker 3: as the Creator of All, and they know he's pissed,
Speaker 3: right Like, they're like, yeah, the Creator of All is
Speaker 3: not going to be happy. They don't give him a name,
Speaker 3: they don't refer to him by a name. That's why,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know that they used to be like
Speaker 3: regents of Heaven, right, Like they had some place in
Speaker 3: a higher and in a hierarchy somewhere where they carried
Speaker 3: out acts and deeds for the Creator of All, and
Speaker 3: they went against them. And they know this, they know
Speaker 3: that they fall right right the first recorded like, so
Speaker 3: all the second class of the Watcher Angels came down
Speaker 3: from Marduke's wedding to an earth woman, and this made
Speaker 3: Marduke like the satan of the Ananaki. Like they all
Speaker 3: hated him for doing this, not knowing that Inky was
Speaker 3: already doing this with earthwomen before. And so like that's
Speaker 3: where you get them as the adversaries and stuff. It's
Speaker 3: it's just uh. And then when you look in the Bible,
Speaker 3: you see Marduke is Bell, his son, Nabu is Nebo.
Speaker 3: There's little little etymology right there. So yeah, there's different
Speaker 3: falls that take place. Now, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: if y'all subscribe to the idea that it's a lot
Speaker 3: older than four or six thousand years because.
Speaker 4: I do so, right, I believe that the Earth is
Speaker 4: definitely older than ten thousand years old, like for sure.
Speaker 4: Now I'm not saying four point six billion either, Like
Speaker 4: I think that's in an unfathomable.
Speaker 5: Number of time for the human mind to wrap it down.
Speaker 2: But like which they did just find out they did
Speaker 2: just find out that it's double that.
Speaker 4: Actually, oh really, of course they did because carbon or something.
Speaker 5: I don't know. But look, so you're talking about more
Speaker 5: land from back in the day.
Speaker 3: Now, have you heard of dogger Land. I've heard of it,
Speaker 3: I haven't looked into it.
Speaker 4: Bro the lost land to the north of Europe. It
Speaker 4: was a massive plot of like really fertile land. They've
Speaker 4: started dredging it. In all this it's under a peat box.
Speaker 4: So pretty much the entire civilization's like been preserved. But
Speaker 4: basically the glacial melting from about twelve thousand years ago
Speaker 4: mixed with a giant tidal wave that came, which they
Speaker 4: know there was a giant glacial shift that happened off
Speaker 4: the Sweden that sent like a massive tidal wave, and
Speaker 4: they can like track the timeframe of this, but come
Speaker 4: to find out there was an entire civilization lost to
Speaker 4: the north of Europe. And then we know now because
Speaker 4: of like population records of like whenever the Greeks or
Speaker 4: the Romans or whatever got to the northern European area,
Speaker 4: why was it so densely populated Whenever like there wasn't
Speaker 4: good farmland there, Why was.
Speaker 3: Or how was there this many people?
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, because they all migrated there only one
Speaker 4: hundred years ago. From more Land to the north that's
Speaker 4: now under underwater, but it's only like forty feet underwater.
Speaker 5: No one has known this this entire time.
Speaker 4: No one thought to, look, how much more of that
Speaker 4: shit do we have around the world, lands that connect
Speaker 4: things like that?
Speaker 5: One hundred percent?
Speaker 3: Bro, Yeah, dude, And I mean there's what set seventy
Speaker 3: percent water and we've only explored fifteen percent of it. Right,
Speaker 3: it's under there. There may be civilizations. That's what I
Speaker 3: think about inside the Earth. I think, yeah, you have
Speaker 3: your magma in your lot on some some levels, but
Speaker 3: I think there's parts that open up that are continent size.
Speaker 5: Sure, so you.
Speaker 2: Believe in hollow earth and lava and magma and all that.
Speaker 3: I believe that it may be like an outer like
Speaker 3: an outer layer that. Uh, But I I don't believe
Speaker 3: the whole inside of the Earth is just lava and magma. Okay, Okay, yeah, dude.
Speaker 3: I have my own theories about a lot of things.
Speaker 3: And they may also.
Speaker 5: Said flat earth and hollow earth too, correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have, dude, I have theories about that too.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't subscribe to any one thing. Really.
Speaker 3: I am more of a hollow earth guy. Okay, like
Speaker 3: gun to my head, hollow earth. But I I have
Speaker 3: some of my viewers who are flat earth or so
Speaker 3: I kind of like to throw some ideas in there
Speaker 3: to think about. You know, some people.
Speaker 2: Actually say that what Admiral Dick Bird, as we like
Speaker 2: to call him, what he actually saw or what he
Speaker 2: walked into whenever he claimed that he was walking into
Speaker 2: the hollow earth, some people say that he was actually
Speaker 2: maybe walk through a portal or through another dimension, and
Speaker 2: that's why it seemed like that, And that's why it
Speaker 2: seemed like it would be kind of hollow on the inside.
Speaker 2: Because who was talking about portals and dimensions back in
Speaker 2: that day, right, right?
Speaker 4: He was just a fly over through a thing into
Speaker 4: another biome like in Minecraft. How would he know that
Speaker 4: he just passed through a portal? Like Sci Fi wasn't
Speaker 4: that deep back then. They didn't have Hollywood movies to
Speaker 4: where he would know what a.
Speaker 5: Quote unquote portal would look like.
Speaker 1: Also, also check this out. So and there are plenty.
Speaker 2: Of people out there that believe that the pyramids were
Speaker 2: actually some kind of portals, right Like, there are some
Speaker 2: people that think that, well, look no further whenever you're
Speaker 2: looking for fucking pyramids than Antarctica itself.
Speaker 5: There are more.
Speaker 2: There are more pyramids in Antarctica collectively than the rest
Speaker 2: of the world combined. So is it possible that he
Speaker 2: walks near a kind of uh pyramidic structure in Antarctica
Speaker 2: as he was walking past, you know, the the frozen
Speaker 2: tundra of Antarctica and going across the other side and
Speaker 2: finding lush, green vegetation, maybe he stumbled across.
Speaker 1: An area that was kind of.
Speaker 2: Being inhibited almost almost think about like a pyramid as
Speaker 2: like maybe it has like some kind of energetic fucking
Speaker 2: something that goes around and creates like this dome like.
Speaker 1: Structure, like the triangle exactly like that. And so is
Speaker 1: it possible that that could just be like.
Speaker 2: The beginning point of whatever kind of energetic wormhole that
Speaker 2: you're trying to get to. I don't know, anything's up
Speaker 2: for debate right now, and I mean, in anything, including Antarctica,
Speaker 2: is always going to be sketchy. Like I feel very
Speaker 2: I don't know what I think about Antarctica.
Speaker 1: I believe Admiral.
Speaker 2: Bird, although some people would say you shouldn't believe Admiral
Speaker 2: Bird because he was a thirty third degree freemason.
Speaker 4: And his diary was only released by his son after
Speaker 4: his death.
Speaker 5: Look, there's controversy, fine, fair, Fair.
Speaker 4: I still want somebody to explain to me the giant
Speaker 4: crystal pyramid that's forty or it was like forty foot
Speaker 4: under river silt at the mouth of the Mississippi River.
Speaker 4: Can someone explain why we have a giant, massive crystal
Speaker 4: pyramid right there that nobody just.
Speaker 5: Has known about until recently. Wait what, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: There's a massive, massive crystal pyramid underneath the mud at
Speaker 4: the base of the Mississippi River. It's just been covered
Speaker 4: up with river silt and we can't get to it
Speaker 4: because it's under a massive moving river and fucking river silt.
Speaker 4: And nobody's coming up with explanations. Nobody's got answers.
Speaker 5: Well, shit, when was this they found it? What was
Speaker 5: it with like uh discovery now called lyd ar?
Speaker 4: What's it when they fly over and do a scan
Speaker 4: of the uh of the things? I forget it was
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago when they did it, Okay,
Speaker 4: And I do mean like within the last five Like
Speaker 4: it wasn't.
Speaker 5: Like this is like old knowledge.
Speaker 3: I gotta look into that.
Speaker 5: Oh it's wild shit, man.
Speaker 4: And whenever I heard that, and I that was around
Speaker 4: the time when I heard this whole Mississippi River.
Speaker 5: Being the denile of this hemisphere.
Speaker 4: I was like, bro, I thought the Amazon River was
Speaker 4: gonna be I'm gonna be honest, if I had to
Speaker 4: pick a river, I would have thought that one. But like, no,
Speaker 4: we're on this side of the equator, so it's kind
Speaker 4: of that if we're looking at the plane right the
Speaker 4: X and Y axis, if you will, now river here,
Speaker 4: Mississippi right here, it's like close but opposite of the
Speaker 4: equator to each other, and it's like, okay, kind of
Speaker 4: see where you going with this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're right, that's something to think about as well.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about that south starting that shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't find it unless you're talking about the
Speaker 2: Memphis Pyramid.
Speaker 4: Well no, not bass pro dude, Yeah, which is fucking dope.
Speaker 1: Which is right off the Mississippi as well. Right.
Speaker 5: I passed by there once upon a time.
Speaker 4: I wanted to stop, but I couldn't because I was
Speaker 4: on a time crunch.
Speaker 3: But dude, that thing is huge. Dude, I think there's
Speaker 3: something to that pyramid being in Memphis, right, the capital
Speaker 3: of Egypt and that the capital, and that's Cairo. Memphis
Speaker 3: is one of the biggest cities.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure, and one of their deities.
Speaker 3: Yes, And so when you think about that in terms
Speaker 3: of Okay, so there's tons of rappers from Memphis. I'm
Speaker 3: a big fan of Memphis rap, like from the nineties,
Speaker 3: a bunch of underground rap, and well used to be
Speaker 3: a big fan. It's a little dark for me now.
Speaker 3: But yeah, dude, I mean, we know how much sacrifice happens.
Speaker 3: Ritual sacrifice happens in these industries, especially the music industry,
Speaker 3: probably more than any the music industry, sure, And so
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I'm doing a Patreon episode on
Speaker 3: on this actually, just kind of talking about some of
Speaker 3: the rappers that have died and their relations to other
Speaker 3: rappers who got big, or like maybe looking at their
Speaker 3: lyrics because there's a lot of these rappers that talk
Speaker 3: about sacrifice and maybe they're just being edgy, you know,
Speaker 3: and uh, but I don't know, maybe there's something else
Speaker 3: to it. Maybe that's I don't know, I think there's
Speaker 3: something to the South, maybe like what we were saying,
Speaker 3: being part of the Fertile Crescent. Maybe that's why there's
Speaker 3: so much paranormal activity here.
Speaker 5: Oh shall live, Yeah, no doubt, dude.
Speaker 4: New Orleans is big with Santoria, Voodoo, whodoo, all that shit. Yeah, man,
Speaker 4: speaking of all these things. So I found this and
Speaker 4: I didn't play the whole thing. I'm not one hundred
Speaker 4: percent of this is what I think it is. But God,
Speaker 4: let's see how the TikTok world goes. The Mississippi River
Speaker 4: and the Nile are the same.
Speaker 6: Let's see discovered the ruins of an ancient civilization off
Speaker 6: the coast of Saint Bernard Parish.
Speaker 3: He claims there are large mounds underwater there may have
Speaker 3: once been the site of a lost city thousands of
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 6: Paula Murphy reports local fishermen have long talked about strange
Speaker 6: and unexplained things happening in that area.
Speaker 10: The Chandeler Islands are a chain of uninhabited barrier islands
Speaker 10: located in the Gulf of Mexico, fifty miles east of
Speaker 10: New Orleans. But twelve thousand years ago, before a dramatic
Speaker 10: sea level rise at the end of the Last Ice Age,
Speaker 10: this area may have been dry land.
Speaker 12: Three different search areas.
Speaker 10: Retired architect and amateur archaeologist George Jla believes the site
Speaker 10: now underwater was once home to an ancient civilization. He
Speaker 10: dubbed the city crescentis.
Speaker 12: What's down there is hundreds of buildings that are covered
Speaker 12: with sand and silk and that are geographically related to
Speaker 12: the Great Pyramid of Giza.
Speaker 10: Giza is a city in northern Egypt where ancient pyramids
Speaker 10: and the Sphinx are located. Jlay claims, so it found
Speaker 10: mysterious mounds of granted under chandle or sound. Granted is
Speaker 10: not native to Louisiana or Mississippi.
Speaker 12: Somebody floated a billion stones down the Mississippi River and
Speaker 12: then assemble them outside of what would will later become
Speaker 12: New Orleans.
Speaker 5: I mean, look, dude, I'm not saying, but I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, that's why the witchcraft is
Speaker 1: so strong in New Orleans.
Speaker 5: Brother, Oh it goes deep. Okay, I don't know if
Speaker 5: you'll want to play the Billy Carson thing.
Speaker 3: Wait ahead, ud play it.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck it. I was wrong on
Speaker 5: this though. He wasn't like banging on the door.
Speaker 4: He did come with like, uh like basically some sort
Speaker 4: of like want to be legal paperwork, like a seasoned desist.
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, all right, we'll just play it for
Speaker 4: a little quick minute anyway, So this guy speaking on
Speaker 4: this side is his former assistant who just quit like
Speaker 4: two months.
Speaker 1: AGO's former assistant.
Speaker 5: Billy Carson's former assistant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, these dudes, that's a show that I uh, it's
Speaker 4: called Bless God's Studios. I like the dudes, but they
Speaker 4: are responding to this, and they also have the ring
Speaker 4: camera footage at this point.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's only like two minutes that we need
Speaker 5: to play.
Speaker 8: Really historian in linguist, the fraudument document, the documents you
Speaker 8: like to claim is truthful.
Speaker 3: Nothing reacts to the debate with west Hoff later on
Speaker 3: in video. You guys go watch Anton's video.
Speaker 5: This is two hours and ten minutes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Will cab Malone has reacted to it. What's
Speaker 3: his name? John Clashes reacted to maybe I'll do a
Speaker 3: whole separate stream on that.
Speaker 11: And you didn't like that you got exposed.
Speaker 8: And because you got exposed for knowing nothing about Christianity,
Speaker 8: you freaked out. You freaked out so much that you
Speaker 8: were knocking at my client's door at two thirty am
Speaker 8: in the morning.
Speaker 3: Now, I got to handle that situation.
Speaker 8: There he goes with legal papers, acting like you have
Speaker 8: the power to enforce some type of you got served
Speaker 8: you guys.
Speaker 11: This is the type of person Billy is.
Speaker 8: Like he does have a brain injury, so maybe there
Speaker 8: is something like literally wrong with him. I don't know,
Speaker 8: but this is like crazy behavior. My client has kids,
Speaker 8: he has a family. You got this guy walking up
Speaker 8: at his house at two thirty in the morning because
Speaker 8: of the debate that he posted.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. You know what that also means? And Anton
Speaker 3: said it.
Speaker 4: It means he never went to bed or he got
Speaker 4: up at like one thirty to like get ready for
Speaker 4: the day.
Speaker 1: That's crazy that.
Speaker 11: By the way, it wasn't even that bad.
Speaker 8: I mean it was bad because Billy doesn't know what
Speaker 8: he's talking about, But there wasn't like arguments, and Wesley
Speaker 8: was very kind and he could have pushed way harder
Speaker 8: and he didn't.
Speaker 11: So Billy, bro was it diabolical? Or is what you're
Speaker 11: doing diabolical?
Speaker 3: But at the same time, my mind went right into
Speaker 3: solutions mode. What's the solution to this problem? And how
Speaker 3: can I do it? How can I take care of
Speaker 3: the situation.
Speaker 8: The solution is to pretend you're a lawyer and knock
Speaker 8: out my client's doore at two thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1: Billy Carson caught on a ring doorbell where the ring
Speaker 1: doorbell said front door cam two twenty nine fifty four.
Speaker 3: You guys go watch Anton's full video while it's still up.
Speaker 3: You guys filled in a blank? Those are you guys?
Speaker 3: I wanted to know what was being bleeped out. I
Speaker 3: couldn't say publicly.
Speaker 5: Bro, it's it's not looking good for him.
Speaker 4: And to be fair, if you watch the debate with
Speaker 4: Billy and that guy, they are correct. Like your boy
Speaker 4: that debated him was being very nice. He wasn't like,
Speaker 4: actually you might not at all. He was like, well
Speaker 4: this is what I have found and this and this
Speaker 4: and this evidence. Yeah, he was very very nice. Like
Speaker 4: he sounds like a genuinely good dude. You know, he
Speaker 4: could have been like Professor Dave.
Speaker 5: And just shit on him and just been a dick.
Speaker 5: But like, that wasn't him. And I think that that
Speaker 5: was good too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, that was just a that's a that's
Speaker 4: a thing that's happening.
Speaker 5: It's a wild time.
Speaker 2: To be in this line of work, bro, billiam I
Speaker 2: just want to put it out there from uh, from
Speaker 2: one of your follow followers, My.
Speaker 1: Good sir, if you would like to resurrect your image,
Speaker 1: please come check out the Cult of Conspiracy. We'd love
Speaker 1: to have you on a guest as a guest.
Speaker 4: I would love to have you on as a guest,
Speaker 4: and not to be a dick, not to shit on you,
Speaker 4: genuinely would like to talk to you. And you know what,
Speaker 4: let's stay off of Christianity because you talk about so
Speaker 4: many things, Billy, we don't need to do just biblical.
Speaker 4: Just keep all Bible out your mouth and let's talk
Speaker 4: about everything else.
Speaker 5: Brother, I would love to have you on. I hope that.
Speaker 2: That reach reaches all the radio waves of the interwebs
Speaker 2: and rate back into Billy Carson's.
Speaker 1: DMS.
Speaker 2: So anyway, look, I I think that this was a
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Speaker 2: it again.
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