Speaker 1: This is John Reid of the thirty something meter Movie podcast,
and I don't know where I am. I'm holding up
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Speaker 2: I take check. I think you're a little bit quiet.
D can you take me? Hi?
Speaker 3: Nice?
Speaker 2: Hello, my friends, we meet again. It's been a while.
Where should we begin.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast.
This week, D, we are talking about Creed and are
they worth the hate? If you didn't listen to our
Nickelback episode, go Back, we dropped that last week.
Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: These bands are kind of similar in yeah, they hate
that they received, especially from the internet early on in
the two thousands.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean literally, they were ranked number one and
number two of most hated bands by Rolling Stone.
Speaker 3: We're gonna school.
Speaker 5: There, our ski school there.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, so before we get going, we're not covering
a particular album, right these guys, they basically had three
albums we're gonna grab their best songs off of those
albums and talk about each one of those. Then they
broke up. Then they got back together and they had
another album, and then they broke up again, and now
they're back together again doing a tour right now. Using
me a text, they're going to be up the road
fifteen miles in about two weeks. Yeah, and so I
was like, forty bucks, forty freaking dollars and we could
go watch Creed.
Speaker 4: So actually, here's the funny part. Yeah, I was like,
you know what, I wonder what Nickelback is doing on tour.
So I googled Nickelback tour dates. Well, they're not on
tour right now. Oh okay, I mean, who knows. Maybe
next week they're in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got They got back together last year twenty
twenty three, and have been touring all of twenty twenty four. Now,
obviously there's some conflict in the band that has resulted
in these breakups and get back togethers and all of
those things. And I think that comes into play when
we start talking about the reason that people hate Creed
when they do hate Creed. But we'll dive into that
in a second before we get there, let me ask you,
did you have Nickelback albums back in like the late
nineties early two thousands. I did not own any Nickelback albums.
Did you own Creed albums at that time?
Speaker 4: So I didn't buy a Creed album. But this isn't
you know the day when you could burn a CD,
like use your computer to burn a CD.
Speaker 2: And I had my buddy at work burn the Gold
a CD.
Speaker 4: And then I used a color printer to print off
the cover of Human Clay.
Speaker 2: A color printer from nineteen ninety nine that was like
matrix printer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like you got it out of the print,
it was wet, right, and you know you cut it out.
Speaker 2: So I did have a copy of Human Clay, but
I didn't buy it. I got to tell you, looking
at these album covers, I doubt that your dot Matrix
cover was much worse than the covers that we got
if we bought the CD. You know, their album covers
are not strong, They're terrible. I mean I was looking
at this and I'm like, you know, Human Clay, you
got this weird monster coming out of the water that
looks like a snapshot from lawnmower man, I mean it's error.
Speaker 4: You know that's interesting you say that because I was
just gonna say it looks like the T one thousand,
as he's like changing from metal to human.
Speaker 2: No, I feel like this is like James Cameron drawing
of the TV one thousand with like pencil and colored pencils.
It's just it's terrible. So did you own any Creed CDs?
I did, actually, and I did not steal them from
some other person. I used my BMI catalog and I
picked them up for a penny each. I gotta tell you,
I loved them. I had Human Clay, I had Weathered.
I listened to both of them routinely. I loved them.
Speaker 4: I love them too. Man, there's no denying that their
songs are really good.
Speaker 2: They had some great songs. Now, other people didn't feel
that way, and this was a time in history that
was very special and unique. This band is one of
the best selling bands of all time. I'm not talking
late nineties, early two thousands. I'm saying of all time.
If you compare all bands, these guys have so many
million albums sold that they are in the top tier.
That's really interesting.
Speaker 4: You know, we talked last week on our Knickaback episode
that these guys are kind of the last of the
real CD movers because everything else was going napster or
streaming or whatever downloadable stuff you could do on your computer.
These are kind of the last of the people who
really sold CDs.
Speaker 2: Last of the rock bands for sure, right last of
the rock band. I mean, you've got a few stragglers,
a handful at best, maybe five, probably not even that,
who are movers in the twenty first century. But once
you move past y two k there are virtually no
bands that are big sellers. It became all individual artists,
and these guys are among the last.
Speaker 4: And that's I think part of the reason why there's
some jealousy maybe involved in that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, the very straightforward phrase that they got
when they were turned down is rock and roll is dead. Now,
how many of you folks would love to have a
rock and roll band back around with all of this
Taylor Swift and Drake and all of these other guys
who are just printing music on a computer. Me, yeah, me,
bring me somebody who plays their own drum set and
plays their own guitar and writes their own lyrics and
sings them without auto tune. All right, we ready to
dive into Yeah, Christo, let's pick the first song. We
know that the first album that they had they put
together themselves for like six thousand dollars. Is what I's track,
which is a pretty like. They were paying the producer
thirty dollars an hour and they recorded at his house.
It wasn't even at a studio. I love it at
his house. They are not signed by a label. They're
just like, hey, can we put this record together. They've
got some help from their new manager, who basically owned
the bar that they were playing in, and that's how
this first album gets made. What is our song number one?
Speaker 4: Before I give you song number one, I just want
to give a quick shout out to our buddy James Buckley,
who helped me kind of get our list organized for
Nickelback and Creed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks James. James is all in to the Nickelback
and Creed comparison, all in on whether they're worth hate
or not.
Speaker 4: It's because he knows what's up, man. He knows good
rock music when he hears it. All right, let's start
off with their debut single. That song is called My
Own Present.
Speaker 5: Aver No. Appeal on the Duggets. Today's my own.
Speaker 2: It's a great song. It's a great song. I mean,
it's funny to me that the reason that we heard
that everybody hated Nickelback was because that their lyrics were vacuous.
Which I said, Hey, when's the last time you used
that word in a sentence. Guess what you're picking up
on what people are saying on the internet. If you're
using that word to describe them, right, don't be a follower.
Think for yourself. But then you compare that to Creed
and hey, we've got some lyrics that actually have some
significant meaning behind them, and they're hated because their lyrics
have meanings like what it doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 4: So I heard their drummer, Scott Phillips, talking about this
and he said, that's what really sets Scott stap apart,
the fact that not only they're writing these great songs,
which typically it was Scott Stapp lyrics, Mark Tremonte writing
the music. He said, I really enjoyed how there was depth,
there was substance behind the words. Now on this particular song,
d there are some strong religious imagery going on here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we talked before we started talking on the
podcast about the personalities in this band, and I mean basically,
you really do just have two guys who are this
band and then a bass player and a drummer. Not
that Brian Marshall or Scott Phillips are a bad musicians,
they're just not the guys making the music. They're the
guys that are playing music. So you've got Scott's Stapp
and you've got Mark Tremonti. Scott, as you said, his
personality is kind of like a roller coaster. You're going
up or you're going down, and it's big highs and
deep lows. And Mark is more basically level headed. And
that's probably the reason they ran into conflict. But we
got to ask the question because I think a lot
of the hate that the band gets is because of
the hate that Scott's Stap gets. Right, That's right. And
so just to give a little history for him, right
three four years old, watching TV with his family and
his dad, his biological dad gets up, walks out of
the room and doesn't come back. That's a big hit.
That's that is a huge hige. Yeah, that's huge. And
so for a few years his mother is trying to
get by to feed this family on food stamps, and
she meets a man at her church who is a
dentist who is doing well making mone and they get married.
But this dentist, mister Stapp, who ultimately adopts Scott, is
doctor Stapp.
Speaker 4: Thank you doctor years of dental scold and for you
to call im mister Stapp.
Speaker 2: He says. He is a guy who is very religious,
and when Scott goes astray, his punishment, in addition to
getting beaten, is that he has to rewrite proverbs and
not only that, but has to analyze them and say
what does this mean? Apparently every Monday he would just
get beaten because of what he might have done over
the week that doctor Stapp didn't know about. Like that
was it. It was this kind of idea, like I know
that you've done something. I don't know what it is,
but I just got to beat you every Monday. And
that was his life. And that's a pretty rough road
to hoe, right. But I think that this punishment, as
atrocious as it sounds, has to be a huge influence
on how he writes because his life is the life
of the church, Like he doesn't have the influences of
going out and partying with his friends. He doesn't have
the influences of deep relationships at school because he's an
outsider because of this weird religious stuff that he's got
going on. So all that he has week after week
after week is God, Church and scripture. And that's how
this stuff gets woven into these lyrics. And this song
here is a prime example of that. And I have
the audacity to write about God. Let's hate on me
for that. It doesn't make any sense to me, you know.
Speaker 4: It reminds me a little bit of ed Roland from
Collective Soul. We talked about how when you're raised in
that environment, it's who you are. It's your verbiage, it's
your dictionary, it's how you speak, it's how you learn,
it's how you talk. And so lyrics like see a
vision of a cross, I feel the pain that was
given on that sad day of loss. The lion roars
in the darkness, only.
Speaker 2: He holds the key.
Speaker 4: A lot of cross imagery out of Jesus imagery the lion,
you know the line.
Speaker 2: Of Judah Jesus.
Speaker 4: So that stuff just comes out of him on a
deeper level. It's a spiritual thing within him. But it
was really tipped in the extreme right. He had a
ten o'clock curfew. He talked about how his first record
that he bought was Pyromania because he liked the sunk photograph.
You talk about benign rock and roll, Deth Lappard has
bow as benign as you can get.
Speaker 2: Oh on hiromania, maybe not hysteria, Okay, I mean, what
are love bites? But yeah, they did not spare the
rod on their son, and it came out in his lyrics.
He ran away from home when he was seventeen years
old because of the situation that he was in, and
then he thinks, okay, I will you know because his
adoptive dad says, you're cut off. I'm not gonna help
you if you're going to run away and not live
under my rules. And so his way to make amends
is he goes to a religious college. He goes to
Lee College, right, which they have more strict rules than
your standard university, and he does something that I can
say that probably seventy five percent of the university goers
that I went to school with did, which is he
got high. He smoked pot with his friends. Unlike the
rest of the people that I know, he got caught
at this religious school. Somebody snitched on him. Yeah, somebody
snitched on him. And so he had been taught honesty
is the best policy. I'm going to be honest and
they will forgive me. And he was honest, and they
said get out. They expelled him. They didn't give him
any kind of grace whatsoever. And so he now is
without any money, without any place to stay. I mean,
he's in a dorm room. He can't stay there anymore.
He slept in his ta's closet for a while until
they caught him doing that and had the police escort
him out. I mean, this is not it's not a
good representation of what Christianity should be for that's right.
Speaker 4: Well, let me offer a little bit of grace. He
calls his grandparents, and his grandparents say, yeah, but we'll
rinch an apartment.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now, he didn't have any furniture, he or electricity. He
slept on a bed of towels. That was his bed.
In the depths of that, he started writing poetry, which
then we know now were lyrics. By the way, My
Own Prison peaked at number one on the Billboard Rock
Charts and number.
Speaker 2: One on the Modern Rock charts.
Speaker 4: He woke up from a dream, wrote everything down, finished
the song in about thirty minutes, and it's about him
accepting responsibility for his bad decisions that put him in
his own prison.
Speaker 3: Try.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go with song number two.
Speaker 4: Song number two that I want to talk about is
a song called torn.
Speaker 2: Will Didn't Know Me.
Speaker 4: This one is actually written by Mark Tremonte, who wrote
the lyrics and the music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, normally he's just the music. So Mark Tremonti he
had actually been born I believe he was in Detroit,
that's right, and grew up in Detroit. For the first
part of his life was listening to Metallica and he
was a metal guy, Anthrax and you know those the
hard rocking bands. Then his father moved down to Florida
where you know, ultimately he went to high school with
Scott Stapp and he said, down there, people were listening
to pop music.
Speaker 4: You know, Milli Vanilli is what he mentioned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one specifically, Yes, another band that we covered
on Are They Worth the Hate? Right? Go back and
check that episode out. It's one of my favorites. But
they I guess they knew of each other in high school,
but they didn't. They were friends. They were hanging out
in different circles. So ultimately, after Scott has his apartment
rented by his grandparents, he ultimately gets job, starts making
some money, gets a girlfriend, and the girlfriend introduces him
to some new music. She introduces him to led Zeppelin
and the Doors, and he absolutely falls in love with
the Doors. And I got to say this, There's been
a lot of comparison, Like it is a well known
comparison that they are the great value version of Pearl
Jam right, Like everybody says, he just sings like Eddie Vedder,
which I don't know that he sounds any more like
Eddie Vedder than Scott Weiland or Lane Staley. I just
don't get it. But if you throw back further and
look at the Doors, he also sounds like Jim Morrison.
Does sound like Jim Morrison. And ultimately, later on, once he
hit fame, he actually got to go with the surviving
members of the Doors and sing with them. I can't
so cool because you listen to him sing those Door
songs and you're like, damn it, dude, isn't spot on.
Speaker 4: Members of the Doors were like it was like Jim
Morrison was on stage with us.
Speaker 5: Again, riders almost into this world, into.
Speaker 6: This like a Joe writers on the storm. There's a call.
Speaker 2: He really hits. But that's his vocal style. And just
because it happens to be similar to Eddie Vetter's, it's
tragic that people will have to make a deal out
of that one thing.
Speaker 4: I will say Scott's stapp is very charismatic. He's very
gifted as a singer. He's a great front man. But
the lyrics to this song, because they were written Marchmonte,
I thought this was interesting. He came home, he was
like working as a cook at Chili's. Yeah, right, so
these guys are about our age. He comes home, he's
at an apartment. He wants to be a musician. His
life is not going the way he wants it to.
He smells like.
Speaker 2: Chilies chicken tenders.
Speaker 4: Right, he said he was smelly, gross, lost, and he
and he wrote the song.
Speaker 2: So after Scott finds his girlfriend, he gets into the doors,
he reads that at some point Jim Morrison lived in Tallahassee. Right,
So he decides that's going to be the key to
my success, and so he ups and moves to Tallahassee
and as it turns out, that's where Mark had moved
to as well. They were both working in the food
court at the local mall and they see, you know,
recognize each other and ultimately get together and ultimately it worked.
Speaker 4: It worked to the tune of millions of records ultimately
and a date in Oklahoma City next week.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, they hit it off so well, they felt
like that vibe that they both decided, this is what
we've got to do. We have got to put a
band together. So they go and they recruit Brian Marshall
to play the bass, and they recruit Scott Phillips to
play the drums, and they finagled deal with a local
club called Floyd's to be the house band. According to
the internets, it was we guarantee you two hundred people
a night, right, Scott, You know when they do the
is Wikipedia right, Scott's steps like, I don't remember guaranteeing
two hundred people a night. But yes, it's true that
we did play as the house for Floyd's. But all
that they were doing was playing cover songs, which is
what you do is a beginning band most of the time.
But they had a couple of originals that they had
put together, and so one night, as they're playing at Floyd's,
the bartender hears them play these original songs. He calls
up the club owner, Jeff Hansen and says, I need
you to come over here. And Jeff is, I mean,
this is you know, one o'clock in the morning, and
Jeff Hansen is like, what's wrong? Why do I come?
He's like, this band is playing some songs and I
really think you need to hear it. And he's like, okay, okay,
and he gets up and he goes over to listen
to who at the time, I believe they were called
Naked Toddler. Maybe there was a handful of names, that's right, Yeah,
And he goes and listens and he's like, these guys
are going to be famous. And he sells his interest
in restaurants so that he can fund creating an album
with at the time Naked Toddler right what ultimately would
become Creed.
Speaker 4: Mark Tramonte was talking about how one of the things
that really led him to believe that Scotts Stabb was
the guy.
Speaker 2: Scott's Stab was going to be.
Speaker 4: The guy that carried us as the quarterback for this thing,
because they had been jamming with their buddies or whatever.
As matter of fact, they were jamming on Living Color Nice.
I gotta think it's culture personality. So Mark had a
buddy who was playing on the drums, and one day
he comes in. It's fifteen minutes late, and Scott's like,
you don't have it, you don't have the heart, you
don't have the decency to be here on time. You're out,
And Mark's like, that guy's my friend. What are you
talking about?
Speaker 2: You know? But ultimately he sort of bowed to that
intensity and said, well, this is how we're gonna go.
This is what we're gonna do. I can say that
we have not yet covered a band that didn't have
at least one member of the band who is like that.
There isn't a band that we've covered where all of
the members are like, yeah, you know whatever.
Speaker 4: Right, No, No, you gotta have somebody.
Speaker 2: Yes, there is always a member that says, this is it,
this is how we're gonna make it, and nothing else
is gonna get in our way. Yeah, and if you're
not in, you're out. Wait for the next song. Yeah,
let's do it.
Speaker 4: Next song is called What's This Life for.
Speaker 5: Child? Then makes through if there's anyway.
Speaker 2: Because Okay, so this one, I got to address the
elephant in the room that I've already touched on a
little bit, and that's the idea that this is a
Christian band, Okay, because he's writing music based upon how
he grew up right and his own struggles. And I
got to say, this was one of my favorite songs
because I'm these guys h like, these guys were all
born in the early to mid seventies, which is when
I was born, and so he's going through the same
struggles that I am, looking for meaning and that sort
of thing. And so because of his religious upbringing, and
I can tell you it was a lot more religious
than mine, he's asking the same questions that I was asking.
But on their debut album, part of the chorus of
this song is but they ain't here no more, don't
have to settle no g D.
Speaker 1: Score.
Speaker 2: I can tell you there are no quote unquote Christian
bands that have God D a m N in there lyrics.
Speaker 4: They're not gonna play that at worship time on Sunday morning.
This is the third single off My Own Prison. This
actually reached number one on the mainstream rock charts stayed
there for six weeks.
Speaker 2: This is a great song man. So far, all these
songs are just bulls eyes for me? Have you seen
the video for this? Which one is this?
Speaker 4: This is the one they shot in Joshua Tree National
Park in California, and the director is like, I want
it to be like Creed is playing so passionately that
it changes the weather. So at first the video is like,
you know, desert set, and then rain blows.
Speaker 2: In and it's a massive rainstorm. Okay, so this is
the same.
Speaker 4: Guy who directed the higher video and then I don't
know if you remember five for Fighting the Superman It's
Not Easy song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he directed that video as well. Okay, I love
that song as well.
Speaker 4: This was featured in the movie Halloween H two to
Oh you remember that well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it just came out like five years ago.
Speaker 4: No, No, the no from ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Oh this was something else. Well, So this was Jamie
Lee Curtis's first return as LORI. That's the one that
I was thinking of. I guess I just am old.
And time has gone by five years ago means actually
twenty five years ago, right exactly? That was five years ago.
What we talked a little bit about it.
Speaker 4: But as they were building this demo, because all these
songs were initially on a demo, It's kind of like
the collective soul story, right, But they would piece it together,
you know. Each week, one guy was responsible for kicking
in one hundred bucks yeh to make their demo, and
they would pay their producer, Jeff Kurtzman a little bit
out of time just to kind of build this on
his own free.
Speaker 2: Time, like thirty bucks an hour.
Speaker 4: I remember one song in particular, Scott said he looked
around and he was in a room with bunk beds
and there's toys on the floor. Yeah, you know, but
Scott tried a get rich quick scheme. Yeah, he got
involved in some pyramid scheme. He's gonna like, hey, I'm
gonna double the band's money here real fast.
Speaker 2: Huh. This one he's got the reputation for being a
bit of a douchebag. Hey, I understand if you want
to make an investment on behalf of the band, but
if you're going to do that, you talk to the
band about you don't just go, hey, guys, surprise, bad news, everybody.
I lost all of our money, like like three thousand
dollars and so Jeff Hanson has to go ask for
a loan from a buddy just to finish this album.
That's right.
Speaker 4: Jeff Hansen is the guy who talked the radio station
into playing my own Prison for the first time. He
did what a manager does, right.
Speaker 2: But for Jeff Hanson, we would not have creed. He
was there to sign them, he was there to promote them.
He was there to save them when Scott lost all
of their money, and he was the guy who was
out there pushing their product to get them played on
the radio. And the DJ who he gave it to.
I saw the interview. The DJ said it was unlike
anything I've ever seen. The song wasn't even over and
we had calls pouring in asking about this. It's a
great song man. Yeah.
Speaker 4: By the way, this song is written about Mark Tramonte's
childhood friend who committed Suicide's tragic Okay. Next song on
the album is called one.
Speaker 5: Before Honor Maybe.
Speaker 7: Just Deal Basic problem.
Speaker 5: Dear two over.
Speaker 2: Okay number one. I love the song number two. This
song is not politically correct, Okay, take from one give
to another, society blind by color? Why hold down on
to raise another? I think that this song is a
reaction to affirmative action. Could be wrong about that. I
think that what he says is that we should be
unified and we should be color blind. Yes, And I
think that what he's saying is the actions that have
been put into play largely in the late nineties are
not a unifying action but a separating action. Interesting. Okay,
here's what I do know.
Speaker 4: This was the fourth single released off of My Own
Prison and reached number two on the Mainstream Rock chart.
This was a song that Scott Stapps sang while in
the room with bunk beds and toys on the floor.
Speaker 2: Right, So it's important to know that their original production
is not the one that had all of these big
hits and big sellers. Right. They had this album that
they had produced themselves, and they sold all of those
copies that they had, six thousand copies, and they sold
them all so good he made his money back. But
ultimately they had to get signed by a record label
before they were going to hit the charts like they
were hitting. And so it turns out one of their shows,
a lady named Diana Meltzer goes to the show and
she's like, these guys are freaking awesome. And her husband
was a guy who had started up a company called
wind Up Records. His name was Alan Meltz and his
wife sees the show and she's like, these are the
guys that you need to sign. So literally, this is
a brand new record label that doesn't have any indication
of success at all. And I had heard several times
that there were, you know, fourteen record labels that had
passed on Creed, but ultimately this one signed it because
they're a little, no name, brand new record label. Mark
said no, that's not true. He was like, we had
a couple of record labels that said no, but it
was a pretty quick turnaround. So Alan agrees with his wife.
They say, we want you to sign with wind Up Records.
And so the boys, being you know, young twenty something guys,
are like, this is it. We've made it. We've been
signed by a record label. And so Scott's stapp says,
we are going to sign it in blood, right, and
so he like he gets this rusty whatever to cut
his hand and sign in blood, and he convinces Brian
and Scott to sign in blood, and Mark's like, I'm
not a lady cut that's ridiculous, and so they send
the record contract over and they're like, it's signing red
that voids the contract. You're gonna have to resign this.
And so yeah, they had signed it in their blood
and then had to resign it because it was a
void contract. That's hilarious. I got a quick funny story
for you. Did you hear the lollipop story? I have not.
You told me don't let me forget the lollipop story,
and I'm like, I'm not going to explore that. I'm
going to let myself be surprised. Okay.
Speaker 4: So I heard him being interviewed and a guy said, hey,
has anybody ever thrown anything at you on stage?
Speaker 2: You've been hit within thing. He's like, oh yeah, oh yeah.
This is Scott's Stap talking.
Speaker 4: Scott Stap said the one of the worst ones was
somebody threw a lollipop from the upper deck and he
said his drummer could see it coming. And Scott's like, listen,
I'm very active on stage.
Speaker 2: I move around, I shake.
Speaker 4: I bought my head, I bang my head, I move.
Speaker 2: And I'm here, I'm there. He goes to hit me.
Speaker 4: You've really got to be good because I move around
a lot and this lollipop was just going. He said
it hit him right in the temple and he said
it he's all stars, and it was like, I mean
it nearly chaoed him a freaking lollipop from the upper deck.
Speaker 2: All right, we ready to go on to the next song.
So we need a new album, right this is This
was their debut album. So then the question is can
they come out with something good for their sophomore offering?
Can they go higher? Come on? That was too easy?
This song is called Higher.
Speaker 5: Woo Thee.
Speaker 4: This is one of the truly last great songs of
the nineties.
Speaker 2: It really is a great song and I love this song.
I would listen to this song over and over off
of this album. Have you seen the video? Yeah, I've
seen the video, So I think this is another chink
in the weight scale towards Scott steps douchebaggery. Okay, I
mean the video starts off with them back in the
dressing room and it's this very polished video and he's
in his pleather pants and his white wife beater that's
way too tight. Slow motion walk, slow motion as they
walk ignoring all of the incredibly gorgeous girls who were
funning over them. You think about what grunge did of
like bringing reality back to music after the leather pants
of the hair metal of the eighties. It's like we've
come full circle and these post grins and guys are
now in the leather pants again, and it's just douchey.
Speaker 4: So I did hear Scott say that he's embarrassed when
he goes back and watches this video.
Speaker 2: Very well deserved embarrassment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this song is a banger. I have a personal
story about this. I was at a very important football
game you went on to win the national championship, and
they had this real hard run in October.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was showed up at football stadium like seven o'clock
in the morning and this was thumping from the speaker's
first thing seven am, and I was like, this is
gonna be a great day.
Speaker 2: Man, perfect song to follow that journey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely red October, this song reached number seven on
the Hot one hundred.
Speaker 2: This is from July twenty second, two thousand.
Speaker 4: Okay Hire hits number seven peaks out number seven, number
six absolutely by nine Days Crickets.
Speaker 2: I don't know who that is. Number five. I want
to know by Joe sounds familiar. Number four, It's Gonna
Be Me by n Sync, Well, okay, yeah, in Sync
was still right in the wave. I guess.
Speaker 4: Number three Try Again by Ailiah Nope. Number two Everything
you Want by Vertical Horizon.
Speaker 2: That's a good song, okay.
Speaker 4: Number one Bent by Matchbox twenty.
Speaker 2: Okay, that was a decent song. There's a few familiar
faces there. Yeah, so sad the end of rock and roll.
Speaker 4: The genesis of this song is pretty interesting because they
would challenge themselves live to see if they could improvise
a song on stage, and they would start with the
drums and then the guitars would come in, and then
Scott was kind of expected to sing something. And they
would go back and they would watch video footage of
their concerts and they would say, Okay, that's a good idea.
Let's further that one.
Speaker 2: Okay, that one out.
Speaker 4: But this is one of those where like, well this
is really good, we need to flesh this one out
into a full.
Speaker 2: Blown song, right. Yeah. So that's that's Mark's story of
how this song came to be. Okay, here's a Scott's
story of how the song. Scott was having dreams about
being chased by a gunman, like hiding under a bridge
chased by a gunman. It was nightmares that were freaking.
He was a recurring dream like. He couldn't get rid
of it, and so he started studying lucid dreaming, like
techniques to if you know what lucid dreaming is, control
your dream as you're dreaming. And so once he had
studied those techniques, he put them into play and he
was able to escape the gunman and feel safe. From
that time on, he didn't have those dreams anymore, and
that's what inspired him to write the lyrics to this song.
Speaker 4: By the way, side note streets of Gold that is
a biblical reference Revelation twenty one, twenty one and then
a place where blind men see Yeah, gotta be Matthew
twenty verses thirty to thirty three, where she's this makes
imply mency biblical imagery again coming out in the song.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The interesting thing that I find about this, so Scott
has all these personal problems, which we'll get into here
in a second, but the band is finally now paying
attention to the lyrics because they're being labeled as a
Christian band, and they're like, what's going on here, Scott,
This was not our dream to be a Christian band, right,
Scott's like, well, I'm just writing what I'm writing, you know, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's no way Scott could have been
surprised by what people were saying of them being a
Christian band with is as much influenced God's not surprised
the rest of the guys because they are getting labeled
as a Christian band. But I mean, you can't call
the band creed and refer to God and religious themes
in basically all of your huge hits and not know
that some people are going to call you a Christian band.
But they literally put out a statement, Hey, we are
not a Christian band. You know, we have our own
beliefs and we write about those beliefs, but we do
not have an agenda. Christian band has an agenda to convert.
We do not have that. But yeah, they came out
and said very specifically, we're not a Christian band. I
heard him say that.
Speaker 4: Basically, they were accepted by the Christian music community and
by the secular community, and that's part of the reason.
Speaker 2: Why they sold so many records. Yeah, I hate to
leave this one so early. But we've got to press on. Yeah.
Great song. Next song we're going to talk about it
is a song called what If Bob in My head Man? Yeah? Well,
I mean I heard this one again for the first
time this morning. This was a great song to work
out too, sure, totally brought on the dead and bloated
vibes from stp Okay, the growley scream that comes in
when he starts singing seems very much. I think that's fair.
I am standing like a rose that somebody gave me
on my birthday. Death bad out about it still still
kills it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: This was the second single, released January thirty, first, two thousand.
That beginning part sounds exactly like pant Black.
Speaker 2: From The Rolling Stones. Oh yeah, very similar. Have you
seen the music video the song appears on the Screen
three soundtrack, widely regarded as the best of the Oh wait, no,
I'm sorry, worst of the scream movies.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I didn't know there was a bad scream movie.
Speaker 2: Better.
Speaker 4: The video is really cool, So I watched it so nineties.
You really need to go back and watch it. It
starts off with David Arquette, who, of course is Rosanna
Arquette's brother Rosanna from the Toto video just in case
you remember that old episode.
Speaker 2: Sure, or if you want Courtney Cox's husband from Our
Friend's Soundtrack episode.
Speaker 4: And Born in the USA episode, that's true. Yeah, but
it starts off with David Arquette, who's playing the character
Dewey Riley from the movie Scream, and basically all the
members of the band are killed by ghost Face throughout
the course of the video.
Speaker 2: It's so nineties. It's it's cheesy. Doesn't he come? Like
he comes and grabs Scott's stap while he's like out
on a date and pulls him into a tree or
something like it. It's so ridiculous, ghastly.
Speaker 4: And then at the end of course, it's revealed that
the band is all playing a prank on their girlfriends.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: So the video is kind of stupid, but the song rocks,
and it's so nineties. If you love the nineties, I
don't think you can control your smile when you watch
this video. All right, all right, let's move on to
the next one. Next song is called with Arms Wide Open.
Speaker 5: Well L chose her. The news today.
Speaker 2: Serves my life.
Speaker 5: Here's gonna change.
Speaker 3: I'll close my eyes.
Speaker 5: Began to prayer.
Speaker 2: Them cheers and sounds amazing. It's hard to argue against
this song given that it is the biggest hit of
one of the best selling groups of all time. It
won a Grammy. It's huge, even the video. I remember
the video for this one, you know, even though I
wasn't watching MTV at that time, it was unscapable this song.
It really was unescapable, although I have a feeling deaf.
Dave managed to escape it, but it's down in his
cave with his run DMC.
Speaker 4: I absolutely love this song, so I'm perplexed that you
don't like it.
Speaker 2: I don't dislike the song, Okay, I don't dislike the song.
Speaker 4: My oldest son, Gunnar, was born right around this time,
and when he he was born, I made some pictures
put it to this song, and you know, showed.
Speaker 2: It to my family and so it's perfect.
Speaker 4: It's this is a goosebump type of.
Speaker 2: Song for me, right well, I mean, this is the
song that he wrote when he found out that his
wife was pregnant with their first child.
Speaker 4: Absolutely Jagger, that's right. Her name is Hillary. Okay, they
were married, they're no longer married. I read online where
she was arrested for punching him with a cell phone.
Speaker 2: Okay, which he may have had coming. He may have
had coming, that's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially after seeing some of his drunken outbursts and stuff.
Speaker 2: There's a whole lot of more chinks on on the
scale as time continues to move on. So before we
get away from this song in this video, yeah, I
love the song. It's beautiful, it's a it's a obviously
from the heart. He's excited about his first child, wanting
more for his son's childhood than he had growing up.
Take this world, take it by the hand. He wants,
he wants something better for his son, and that's that's
a beautiful thing. Yes, And obviously when things get really popular,
everybody wants to then jump on the hate bandwagon. But
I also got to say, watching this video, if you've
come out and said we are not a Christian band,
maybe I'm just going out to ledge here. Maybe putting
yourself in the video on a mountain with your arms
stretched out like Jesus on the cross is not the
best move to back up that statement. His arms are why.
I don't know why people are confused we're not a
Christian band. I don't know why. I'm were just saying
that it's Scott. We're not in rejod Dan Arrow here.
You know, you've got yourself post like Jesus in the
video on the mountain with the helicopter rotating around you. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I know that that was an irritant. I know it
was an irritant for Fred Durst from Limp Biscuit. I
know it's an iritant for Jeff Johnson.
Speaker 2: He told me that Offspring, the lead singer, would wear
a shirt that said f Creed or Creed sucks or
something like that. I mean, everyone else in the rock
and roll community wanted to hate on this band because
we're not Christian. But let me come out with this
video where I am obviously Jesus on the cross.
Speaker 4: Well and Scott's you know, he's been pretty open about it.
I think he's been very open about this that the
guys were confused, what's going on in our lyrics? Oh,
by the way, you're snorting cocaine, Like, what's going You're
not living this Christian life.
Speaker 2: So this song was released in April April twenty fourth
of the year two thousand. Yeah, you mentioned Fred Durst,
So April May June. Three months later, they're in a
show together. Limp Biscuit is the opening act. Creed has
come on later and Fred Durst from the stage says,
f Scott stap he's a freaking egomaniac, and the feud begins, right,
if you don't want to appear to be a douchebag,
don't be a douchebag.
Speaker 4: Well before revealing what we know later on, he was
bipolar and he had mental health issues that were coming
to the surface.
Speaker 2: So let's hang on to that thought verse sec I
can I can feel your need to defend Scott, and
I understand that he.
Speaker 4: Acted in a way that was very abrasive to a
lot of people. I do understand that. By the way,
the song hit number one on the Hot one hundred,
and I actually recognized two more songs in the top five.
Oh yeah, okay, So number three was Kryptonite by three
Doors Down Love It, fantastic song, absolutely another Christian Man.
Speaker 2: Number two Madonna Music Music The Beat. I lost me
on that one, and then number one with Arms Wide Open. Okay.
Speaker 4: That brings us to album number three. First song off
of album three is a song called My Sacrifice.
Speaker 5: My Pet, Your oil.
Speaker 2: This is the song that made me go by this album.
This is probably my favorite Creed song. I love it.
I love it too. It's melodic, it's rock, it even
is beautiful yep. And it speaks to a belief that
we will share. So this song came out the single
was released before the album came out. Was released in
October of two thousand and one. The album comes out
later that November, maybe two weeks later or so, and
everybody is scarfing up this album because of this song. Yeah,
it's like people our age. It was kind of like mandatory,
like when you went to the airport, they made sure
you got your copy of Creed. Everybody owned this album. Yeah.
Speaker 4: This song deals with Scott's struggles with drugs and alcohol, Yeah,
which he battled for many years past this.
Speaker 2: But I mean, once again, this passes the goosebump test.
Speaker 4: They talked about how in order for songs to make
the album, they would test it and if it gave
the band goosebumps, that meant it was good enough for
the album.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a breakdown in the middle of the song.
Let me play it for you real quick.
Speaker 8: Well, uhes a abouvers who will.
Speaker 5: Rasty too.
Speaker 2: I heard it a thousand times and game me goose
bums right there. Yeah, it's it's unquestionably a fantastic song.
It again, I mean, legitimately flies in the face of
this idea that they're not a Christian based band, But
I don't care because the song is so incredible and
again it speaks to the struggles that Scott is going through,
like when you're with me, I'm free, when you're not,
I'm not. I mean, it's a very important concept to
his heart and mind and spirit.
Speaker 4: It's a spiritual song. Yeah, this reached number four on
the Hot one hundred. I recognize two the songs in
the Hot one hundred Top five two thousand and two,
which is pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Number five is In the End by Lincoln Park, great song, right,
Number four is My Sacrifice. Number three is Always on
Time by Jarroul. Number two is How You Remind Me by.
Speaker 2: Nickelback of course, of course, and number one is You
Got It Bad by Usher. Well, okay, I mean I
know of that song. So yeah, that's a decent top five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this song is so old that they actually played
it on some of the Human Clay tour dates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, as amazing as this song is. This is
the time period where we see Scott really starting to
slide down that slippery slope that allows everybody to jump
on the let Me Hate Create bandwagon. They're immensely successful.
They portray themselves as Christian. But Scott's got a massive
drug and alcohol problem, right And then what happens is
he is in a car wreck as he's going to
record with the band. He is in a car wreck
right around the same time, right around two thousand and two.
It seems minor at the time, and he doesn't realize
that he's hurt, which is not I mean, genuinely, I
have plenty experience with this. It's not unusual that you
don't feel hurt when you have a car wreck and
then later on develop pain from the injuries that you
didn't know you had. But the law enforcement comes to
do the report, they note that there are no injuries
and that's like one thousand dollars worth of damage or whatever.
But then later on he develops these neck pain, back pain,
and they cancel the next twenty dates that they have
on their tour over this, which, of course everybody latches
onto and like, oh, no injury in the car wreck,
but they're going to now cancel twenty dates. And then,
as as you've mentioned before, the car wreck, he's doing
his own drugs and alcohol. When he starts doing the
pain meds, he flat out says, I did not drink
alcohol because I thought that that was going to be
a bad combination. But that just meant that I was
going to do a lot more of the pain meds.
And so he becomes addicted to the pain meds instead
of to the drugs and alcohol that he was doing before,
which becomes even more difficult for him to overcome.
Speaker 4: Before we get into all the fallout from that, the
song for the video that he was on his way
to when he got in that car accident is the
next song we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2: Well, let's see it. That song is called when Last Breath.
Speaker 5: Please Go a Thirk.
Speaker 7: Sam Aphound Nowhere, I'm Change Juice, I Got a Battle,
when her fuller bottle down, last Word.
Speaker 5: And we're the lensson nermous.
Speaker 2: I defy you to say that that is not a
great song as well. This in any day of the
week is in the running for a number one Creed song.
For me, this song routinely will make me tear up.
I can see your eyes are watery right now. I'm
just I mean, the emotional struggle that he is describing
is something that so many people go through, and it's
just it's hard, and the life is hard, and this
is talking about is it worth it? Right?
Speaker 4: Six feet It's not really that far down. I mean
he battled with suicide, depression, anxiety, heartbreak, drug addiction.
Speaker 2: This guy's been through it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: This is the third single off of Weather, released to
April of two thousand and two. This hits number six
on the Hot one hundred. I don't know any of
the songs in the top five, okay.
Speaker 2: Right, the band got together.
Speaker 4: They wrote this in his living room, Scott steps living room,
and also on his c Ray Cruiser. So I guess
it wasn't all bad all the time, but it was
written at a time when the band was falling apart.
Speaker 2: And like we said, on the way to.
Speaker 4: Shoot the video, if he watched the video, he was
in a car wreck where he hits his head on
the windshield. He breaks a couple of discs in his
back that ultimately gives him medical trouble for a long
time and causes more pain addiction problems and ultimately was
a terrible day and a terrible decade after this an
amazingly beautiful song.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I got to say this in the Shirly
Text group that we have. One of the things that
I like to do when I run into epic cover
versions of songs is I will send it on to you, guys.
I love hearing the epic covers of various songs. I
talked about it. I said the Kiss song from The
Fall Guy, I was made for loving you. I was
made for loving you. I love it, you know. It
gave me a little more love kiss, which I don't
really love at all. So that wasn't too hard. But
Tommy Prophet and Nicole Rono came out in two thousand
and two with an ep called The Creed Collection, and
they have a cover version of with Arms wide open,
of Hire, of One Last Breath, and of My Sacrifice.
But one Last Breath is the first one that I heard,
and I was like, oh my gosh, could they have
made the song better? It's so beautiful to hear a
woman seeing me in this song with an orchestral background
and his.
Speaker 9: Grace a cryd hem save me when I'm down to
last pray him with me, save me six feet from
me a month akain, maybe six feet a soul far.
Speaker 2: So tell me you couldn't imagine that one playing at
the opening of a gam Bond movie. Oh definitely. It
sounds like the Billie Eilish song No Time to Die exactly.
By the way, guys, if you haven't listened to it,
go back and check out our Bond theme draft that
we did with some of the coolest podcasters in the world.
That Jason did with the coolest podcasters in the game.
I was I was absent that day and I get
to just enjoy it on the headset like everybody else.
It was Jason and a bunch of cool podcasters. Oh
that's beautiful. I love it.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's such a great song, such a beautiful
song and again, deep meaningful lyrics. All right, let's go
on to the last song leased from Weathered, and the
last song would get from Creed until two thousand and nine.
That song's called Weather. So this song was released November
of two thousand and two, nearly a year after the
album was released, reached number seven the stream rock charts.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 4: Lots of religious imagery in this song, and it's the
last single we have for nearly a decade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a different sound for them. They've got
the drop D tuning and they've got a very bluesy
sound on this one, which I dig a lot. This
was not one of my favorites, but to go back,
I'm like, oh, I kind of I forgot about this one,
but this is a good memory once I listened to
it over again.
Speaker 4: Once Creed breaks up in two thousand and four, the
rest of the guys from Creed minus Scott's stabb create
another band called alter Bridge.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So two thousand and two up to two thousand
and four, as we've said, Scott is abusing these pain
meds that he's on and it's causing a lot of
trouble with the aband's ability to perform well. As a
matter of fact, in two thousand and two, it really
comes to a head in Chicago. They put on a
show and Scott, according to the fans, is so out
of his mind on these drugs that he would is
just laying on the floor rolling around. Just the most
dismal show you could expect this band to perform. And
the band even like comes out with a public statement
a little while after the show that we're like, hey,
we realized this was a little different show than you
might expect to hear from us. But you know, congratulations,
maybe it'll be a historical event. Well, yes it was,
because the fans then formed a class action and sued
the band and ticket master and the venue for giving
them a crappy show, Like, we paid a lot of
money for these tickets and this is what we had
to watch. Which when I heard that, I was like,
what the heck? And then I heard the judge judge's
ruling when he dismissed the case, which was, you're not
guaranteed a good show when you buy a ticket. That
was what I thought. I'm like, yeah, that's right, that's reasonably.
Speaker 5: You get what we give you.
Speaker 2: You buy a ticket. It's just like any other ticket.
I mean the movie. You might have bought a ticket
to show Girls, you might have bought a ticket to
Jaws three D. You might have bought a ticket to
The Last Action Hero. But guess what, you don't get
your freaking money back. That's it, that's right, Yeah, you
don't have a guarantee of a good show. But again,
this is we see the Downlroad Spiral, and like you said,
two thousand and four, the band quote unquote breaks up
but goes on a hiatus. The only member of the
band to not be in the next band is Scott
Staff and that says something. So they have altered bridge.
He starts doing some solo projects where he sounds exactly
like Creed sounded before, which you would expect. He ends
up on this show on Spike, the channel Spike. You
remember that chat I do. Yeah, it is a casino
cinema or something like that, and he trashes his bandmates.
He trashes Dave Roll, Dave Groll's penis I believe to
be specific little Dave. He makes some kind of inappropriate comments.
And as to Howard Stern's wife, I watched this. It
was horrifying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's trying to kiss her and he is so
clearly out of it, like it's humiliating.
Speaker 2: Well, he's acting like what I mean, he's acting like
a thirteen year old teenager needs to be smacked. Yeah,
go read the Bible. Howard Sertain needs to punch his
lights up. Go copy Proverbs. Then two thousand and five,
he's at a Baltimore hotel, sees the drummer for three
eleven Chad Sexton, and Sucker punches him. What right did
he think he was limbiscuit? What happened? I don't understand that.
Two thousand and six, he gets remarried and he gets
arrested while trying to board the plane to his honeymoon
because he's creating a huge scene. And then also in
two thousand and six, the infamous kid Rock tape comes
to light. Then I guess he must have really kind
of gotten his stuff together. He realized that like what
he was doing, because keep in mind, his son is
now almost hitting teenage years at this point, and so
he knows what's going on with all of this craziness,
and so he's like, I feel bad about what I'm
doing my son. His wife had filed for divorce, and
two years later it must have been effective because he
gets back together with Creed and they release full circle.
They do. You would think that he's gotten his crap
together well temporarily, As we said, he seems to be
a roller coaster of stuff. Well, can I pile on
for a second? Go ahead?
Speaker 4: So, thankfully, in twenty fourteen, he gets diagnosed by a
doctor atter rehab clinic of having bipolar disorder.
Speaker 2: You ready for this? I got details from yeah? Okay.
Speaker 4: So he makes all these really weird videos and posts
them to the Internet, things like the irs is frozen
my account, and I'm penniless, and I'm living in a
holiday inn and I'm homeless, and there's angels living on
the hood of my car. He also calls the White
House because he believes that President Barack Obama has been
kidnapped and that he was hired by the CIA to
either rescue him or kill him. We're not sure which,
and these, I mean, these are all crazy thoughts in
his head.
Speaker 2: He puts together a crowdfunding campaign because he's homeless and
broke where he's he wants to build his new album
and write a book, and so he asked for four
hundred and eighty thousand dollars. If you guys will send
me four hundred and eighty thousand dollars, I will put
together a kick ass album and a fantastic book for you,
I promise. Okay. Yeah, he said he thinks the CIA
is conducting mind control experiments on him. He believes his
family is the center of isis isis Yeah, he sends
his wife texts where he says he could talk to
God and that God was warning him about the DAA
for some reason, and also that Alcoholics Anonymous is a
CI operation and that they have biological weapons being deployed
in Florida. She promptly files for divorce. Yeah reasonably so yes,
But ultimately they don't go through the divorce and they reconcile.
Speaker 4: He meets a doctor who diagnoses him with bipolar disorder.
They get him hooked up on the right medication. I
saw him on Doctor OZ with his wife and this
doctor basically saying, look, I got everything under control.
Speaker 2: So by twenty seventeen he was of sound enough mind
that the guys from the band Aret of Anarchy, who
had just lost their lead singer, Scott Wiland from his
drug overdose, they want Scott Stapp to come and be
their lead singer in his place, and so he hooks
up with them, and then they sue him because he
refuses to help promote the album, refuses to shoot promo videos,
refuses to tour with the band, which is I mean,
that doesn't sound good. But they had also sued Scott
Wiland for the same things. But here's the rest of
the story on that. So Scott's band, his solo project band,
rents some buses for their tour, and one of the
buses that they rent is the bus that Scott Weiland
overdosed in. Oh my gosh. Scott's staff to this day
believes that he had a conversation with Scott Wiland's ghost
inside of that bus. And what did he say. He
didn't see him, He just heard his voice. But basically
it was just a you could do this, you can
make it. You're gonna be all right, don't do what
I did. Okay, last story, last story. This is the
last douchebag Scott story that I'm gonna tell. Okay, I promise.
So he, even though he's married, starts communicating with the
girl online. Oh yeah, and she convinces him to come
meet her at a Denny's so that they can have sex.
He drives two hours to get laid. He goes into
the Denny's and yeah, you're kind of discounting the moons
over MIHAMI dish well there is that. He walks into
the Dennis only to have the entire restaurant turn and
look at him and go creed socks. Oh gosh, No, sex. No,
moon's over my Hammi. He goes home empty, stomached and
sad and lonely. All right, So let's get down to it. Okay,
Is Creed worth the hate? The short answer to the
question is no, simple no. Scott's staff has obviously had
a lot of crappy things. Yeah, he's made a lot
of very bad decisions. He's disappointed a lot of people.
And I know that what you're gonna say is, well, yeah,
but look at every other rock and roll artist that's
out there. They all have these debauchery lives. You know.
The Eagles would towards their hotel rooms, Motley Cruze would
die from drug overdoses and kill drummers of great bands
in their drunk driving escapades. Yes, but none of those
guys were referring to Jesus and the Cross and God
on a routine basis in their songs. And so the
dichotomy there is what allows people to jump on the
let's hate on Scott's stap bandwagon, which I don't want
to jump on that bandwagon. I haven't made as many
bad decisions as he's made, or as big in public anyway,
but I certainly have made a lot I'm far from perfect.
I hope I'm not as big of a douche as
he comes off to be. I can understand why, especially
Amandaganic will immediately jump on the Scott Stap. Don't make
me listen to anything that he says or sings. I
can understand how he can be a very disappointing guy.
But when we go back and we just listened to
we didn't even listen to all of their charting songs.
We listened to the best of the best, and they
are all amazing songs. There was not a disappointing song
in the bunch. And I go back to what I
said before. There was this movement by Rolling Stone and
other media in the entertainment world to kill rock and roll.
They wanted rock and roll dead, and because of their position,
they likely killed it. And because of that, I hate
them far more. And I would give anything to have
a band like Creed putting out new music right now
that was so appealing, that was so good. I would
love to have that instead of what we get from
I forgot to tell I was about to say, TI,
do you know this? No, Yeah, So Scott's Stap either
jumped or fell off of a hotel balcony and was
saved by the rapper Ti, who had no idea who
he was. He just happened to be the guy that
was on the ground whenever Scott hit fell forty feet yeah,
like he would have been dead except for the rapper Ti.
So Ti, thank you for saving Scott's stap. But back
to my point, I would so much rather have a
rock and roll band like Creed putting out music today
than what we have now. So not worth the hate.
Speaker 4: But I understand your answer makes me want to stand
up and chair good because pretty much agree with you.
Their music is phenomenal, and most of that is due,
in fact, to Scott's amazing ability as a frontman and
a lyricist. You combine that with Mark Tremonte's incredible guitar work,
and you've got this combustible mixture of killer, meaningful rock.
And I love the songs. They give me goosebumps, they
make me want to cry, they give me all the emotions.
Speaker 2: Scott's made a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 4: He's disappointed a lot of people, including his fans and family,
so I get why people are kind of down on him. However,
as a person of faith, I believe in redemption, and
I think you.
Speaker 2: Can turn your life around.
Speaker 4: His story's not done, and I'm excited to see is
going to happen, including maybe November two when we go
see them in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2: I love to do that.
Speaker 4: So no on Nickelback, No on Creed. Neither one are
worth the hate. But I want to ask you final judgment.
You're walking out the door, which catalog are you grabbing
on the way.
Speaker 2: Out the door? It depends on where I'm going. Okay.
If I'm going to have a long drive ahead of
me and I'm feeling in a contemplative mood and i
need a little cry, I'm picking Creed. Okay. If I'm
going to the gym and i need a song to
kick my ass, I'm picking Nickelback. Really yeah, and full catalog.
If I had to pick, if I can't say, it
depends full catalog. I got to tip the hat to Nickelback.
They overcame because, like I said, I didn't own Nickelback albums.
I did own the Creed albums, But upon the review,
Nickelback wins the day for me overall. Okay, I'm anxious
to hear your review because you were a big Creed fan,
and you had virtually no experience at all with Nickelback.
Speaker 4: I was familiar with their hits, but not their deep catalog.
Speaker 2: I tend to like songs that make me feel good.
I like party rock.
Speaker 4: I like party rock more than sad rock. I think
Creed's peaks are higher.
Speaker 2: Forgive the pun. I mean, I really do think they're higher.
Speaker 4: I think Nickelback's catalog is deeper. And I'm shocking even myself.
But if I'm walking out the door and I can
only grab one catalog for a road trip, I'm rolling
down the windows, turning up and thumping Nickelback the whole way.
Speaker 2: But I still love Creed. I can't help it. I
love them both, So nan is the decision they're not
worth the hate more understandable for the hate on Creed, Yeah,
I don't. I still can't figure out on Nickelback what.
I don't get that hate at all. But we uh
both Pick and Nickelback for the deep cut as well.
Speaker 4: We want to hear from you, guys. What catalog are
you grabbing on your way out the door? Is it Nickelback,
is it Creed?
Speaker 2: Is it neither? Is it both? Tell us what you
think do what we got coming next week. Man. We're
doing a very unique thing because obviously we're at the
thirtieth anniversary of the movie Pulp Fiction, but we're not
covering Pulp Fiction. We discussed it, but we decided not
to r We are instead covering two of Tarantino's scripts
that were directed by other people, one of them being
True Romance, which was directed by our hero Tony Scott,
and the other directed by Oliver Stone called Natural Born Killers.
We have to discussed Oliver Stone before. This will be
an interesting one to get into. But these two movies
are connected, even by Tarantino standards, more than any two
movies I've ever heard, and you will get the full
story on that when you come back for that episode.
We will not be done with Tarantino before the year
is up after those two episodes as well. We'll see
you back here next week. Thanks guys,