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Speaker 1: This is John Reid of the thirty something meter Movie podcast,

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and I don't know where I am. I'm holding up

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a newspaper that you probably can't see with today's date

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on it. Dan Jason are holding me hostage. So if

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you're listening to this never mind, just remember me as

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I was and listen to this awesome episode of the

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Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I take check. I think you're a little bit quiet.

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D can you take me? Hi?

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Speaker 3: Nice?

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Speaker 2: Hello, my friends, we meet again. It's been a while.

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Where should we begin.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast.

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This week, D, we are talking about Creed and are

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they worth the hate? If you didn't listen to our

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Nickelback episode, go Back, we dropped that last week.

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Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: These bands are kind of similar in yeah, they hate

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that they received, especially from the internet early on in

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the two thousands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean literally, they were ranked number one and

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number two of most hated bands by Rolling Stone.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna school.

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Speaker 5: There, our ski school there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, so before we get going, we're not covering

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a particular album, right these guys, they basically had three

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albums we're gonna grab their best songs off of those

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albums and talk about each one of those. Then they

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broke up. Then they got back together and they had

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another album, and then they broke up again, and now

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they're back together again doing a tour right now. Using

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me a text, they're going to be up the road

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fifteen miles in about two weeks. Yeah, and so I

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was like, forty bucks, forty freaking dollars and we could

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go watch Creed.

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Speaker 4: So actually, here's the funny part. Yeah, I was like,

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you know what, I wonder what Nickelback is doing on tour.

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So I googled Nickelback tour dates. Well, they're not on

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tour right now. Oh okay, I mean, who knows. Maybe

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next week they're in Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got They got back together last year twenty

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twenty three, and have been touring all of twenty twenty four. Now,

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obviously there's some conflict in the band that has resulted

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in these breakups and get back togethers and all of

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those things. And I think that comes into play when

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we start talking about the reason that people hate Creed

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when they do hate Creed. But we'll dive into that

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in a second before we get there, let me ask you,

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did you have Nickelback albums back in like the late

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nineties early two thousands. I did not own any Nickelback albums.

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Did you own Creed albums at that time?

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Speaker 4: So I didn't buy a Creed album. But this isn't

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you know the day when you could burn a CD,

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like use your computer to burn a CD.

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Speaker 2: And I had my buddy at work burn the Gold

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a CD.

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Speaker 4: And then I used a color printer to print off

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the cover of Human Clay.

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Speaker 2: A color printer from nineteen ninety nine that was like

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matrix printer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like you got it out of the print,

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it was wet, right, and you know you cut it out.

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Speaker 2: So I did have a copy of Human Clay, but

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I didn't buy it. I got to tell you, looking

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at these album covers, I doubt that your dot Matrix

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cover was much worse than the covers that we got

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if we bought the CD. You know, their album covers

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are not strong, They're terrible. I mean I was looking

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at this and I'm like, you know, Human Clay, you

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got this weird monster coming out of the water that

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looks like a snapshot from lawnmower man, I mean it's error.

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Speaker 4: You know that's interesting you say that because I was

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just gonna say it looks like the T one thousand,

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as he's like changing from metal to human.

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Speaker 2: No, I feel like this is like James Cameron drawing

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of the TV one thousand with like pencil and colored pencils.

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It's just it's terrible. So did you own any Creed CDs?

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some other person. I used my BMI catalog and I

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picked them up for a penny each. I gotta tell you,

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I loved them. I had Human Clay, I had Weathered.

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I listened to both of them routinely. I loved them.

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Speaker 4: I love them too. Man, there's no denying that their

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songs are really good.

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Speaker 2: They had some great songs. Now, other people didn't feel

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that way, and this was a time in history that

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was very special and unique. This band is one of

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the best selling bands of all time. I'm not talking

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late nineties, early two thousands. I'm saying of all time.

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million albums sold that they are in the top tier.

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Speaker 4: You know, we talked last week on our Knickaback episode

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that these guys are kind of the last of the

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real CD movers because everything else was going napster or

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Speaker 2: Last of the rock bands for sure, right last of

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the rock band. I mean, you've got a few stragglers,

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a handful at best, maybe five, probably not even that,

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who are movers in the twenty first century. But once

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you move past y two k there are virtually no

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bands that are big sellers. It became all individual artists,

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and these guys are among the last.

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Speaker 4: And that's I think part of the reason why there's

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some jealousy maybe involved in that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, the very straightforward phrase that they got

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when they were turned down is rock and roll is dead. Now,

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how many of you folks would love to have a

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rock and roll band back around with all of this

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Taylor Swift and Drake and all of these other guys

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who are just printing music on a computer. Me, yeah, me,

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bring me somebody who plays their own drum set and

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plays their own guitar and writes their own lyrics and

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sings them without auto tune. All right, we ready to

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dive into Yeah, Christo, let's pick the first song. We

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know that the first album that they had they put

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together themselves for like six thousand dollars. Is what I's track,

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which is a pretty like. They were paying the producer

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thirty dollars an hour and they recorded at his house.

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It wasn't even at a studio. I love it at

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his house. They are not signed by a label. They're

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just like, hey, can we put this record together. They've

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got some help from their new manager, who basically owned

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the bar that they were playing in, and that's how

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this first album gets made. What is our song number one?

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Speaker 4: Before I give you song number one, I just want

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to give a quick shout out to our buddy James Buckley,

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who helped me kind of get our list organized for

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Nickelback and Creed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks James. James is all in to the Nickelback

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and Creed comparison, all in on whether they're worth hate

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or not.

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Speaker 4: It's because he knows what's up, man. He knows good

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rock music when he hears it. All right, let's start

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off with their debut single. That song is called My

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Own Present.

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Speaker 5: Aver No. Appeal on the Duggets. Today's my own.

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Speaker 2: It's a great song. It's a great song. I mean,

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it's funny to me that the reason that we heard

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that everybody hated Nickelback was because that their lyrics were vacuous.

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Which I said, Hey, when's the last time you used

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that word in a sentence. Guess what you're picking up

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on what people are saying on the internet. If you're

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using that word to describe them, right, don't be a follower.

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Think for yourself. But then you compare that to Creed

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and hey, we've got some lyrics that actually have some

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significant meaning behind them, and they're hated because their lyrics

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have meanings like what it doesn't even make sense.

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Speaker 4: So I heard their drummer, Scott Phillips, talking about this

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and he said, that's what really sets Scott stap apart,

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the fact that not only they're writing these great songs,

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which typically it was Scott Stapp lyrics, Mark Tremonte writing

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the music. He said, I really enjoyed how there was depth,

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there was substance behind the words. Now on this particular song,

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d there are some strong religious imagery going on here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we talked before we started talking on the

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podcast about the personalities in this band, and I mean basically,

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you really do just have two guys who are this

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band and then a bass player and a drummer. Not

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that Brian Marshall or Scott Phillips are a bad musicians,

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they're just not the guys making the music. They're the

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guys that are playing music. So you've got Scott's Stapp

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and you've got Mark Tremonti. Scott, as you said, his

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personality is kind of like a roller coaster. You're going

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up or you're going down, and it's big highs and

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deep lows. And Mark is more basically level headed. And

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that's probably the reason they ran into conflict. But we

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got to ask the question because I think a lot

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of the hate that the band gets is because of

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the hate that Scott's Stap gets. Right, That's right. And

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so just to give a little history for him, right

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three four years old, watching TV with his family and

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his dad, his biological dad gets up, walks out of

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the room and doesn't come back. That's a big hit.

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That's that is a huge hige. Yeah, that's huge. And

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so for a few years his mother is trying to

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get by to feed this family on food stamps, and

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she meets a man at her church who is a

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dentist who is doing well making mone and they get married.

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But this dentist, mister Stapp, who ultimately adopts Scott, is

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doctor Stapp.

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Speaker 4: Thank you doctor years of dental scold and for you

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to call im mister Stapp.

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Speaker 2: He says. He is a guy who is very religious,

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and when Scott goes astray, his punishment, in addition to

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getting beaten, is that he has to rewrite proverbs and

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not only that, but has to analyze them and say

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what does this mean? Apparently every Monday he would just

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get beaten because of what he might have done over

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the week that doctor Stapp didn't know about. Like that

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was it. It was this kind of idea, like I know

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that you've done something. I don't know what it is,

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but I just got to beat you every Monday. And

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that was his life. And that's a pretty rough road

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to hoe, right. But I think that this punishment, as

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atrocious as it sounds, has to be a huge influence

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on how he writes because his life is the life

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of the church, Like he doesn't have the influences of

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going out and partying with his friends. He doesn't have

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the influences of deep relationships at school because he's an

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outsider because of this weird religious stuff that he's got

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going on. So all that he has week after week

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after week is God, Church and scripture. And that's how

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this stuff gets woven into these lyrics. And this song

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here is a prime example of that. And I have

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the audacity to write about God. Let's hate on me

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for that. It doesn't make any sense to me, you know.

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Speaker 4: It reminds me a little bit of ed Roland from

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Collective Soul. We talked about how when you're raised in

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that environment, it's who you are. It's your verbiage, it's

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your dictionary, it's how you speak, it's how you learn,

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it's how you talk. And so lyrics like see a

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vision of a cross, I feel the pain that was

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given on that sad day of loss. The lion roars

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in the darkness, only.

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Speaker 2: He holds the key.

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Speaker 4: A lot of cross imagery out of Jesus imagery the lion,

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you know the line.

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Speaker 2: Of Judah Jesus.

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Speaker 4: So that stuff just comes out of him on a

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deeper level. It's a spiritual thing within him. But it

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was really tipped in the extreme right. He had a

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ten o'clock curfew. He talked about how his first record

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that he bought was Pyromania because he liked the sunk photograph.

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You talk about benign rock and roll, Deth Lappard has

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bow as benign as you can get.

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Speaker 2: Oh on hiromania, maybe not hysteria, Okay, I mean, what

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are love bites? But yeah, they did not spare the

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rod on their son, and it came out in his lyrics.

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He ran away from home when he was seventeen years

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old because of the situation that he was in, and

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then he thinks, okay, I will you know because his

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adoptive dad says, you're cut off. I'm not gonna help

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you if you're going to run away and not live

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under my rules. And so his way to make amends

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is he goes to a religious college. He goes to

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Lee College, right, which they have more strict rules than

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your standard university, and he does something that I can

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say that probably seventy five percent of the university goers

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that I went to school with did, which is he

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got high. He smoked pot with his friends. Unlike the

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rest of the people that I know, he got caught

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at this religious school. Somebody snitched on him. Yeah, somebody

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snitched on him. And so he had been taught honesty

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is the best policy. I'm going to be honest and

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they will forgive me. And he was honest, and they

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said get out. They expelled him. They didn't give him

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any kind of grace whatsoever. And so he now is

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without any money, without any place to stay. I mean,

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he's in a dorm room. He can't stay there anymore.

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He slept in his ta's closet for a while until

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they caught him doing that and had the police escort

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him out. I mean, this is not it's not a

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good representation of what Christianity should be for that's right.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me offer a little bit of grace. He

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calls his grandparents, and his grandparents say, yeah, but we'll

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rinch an apartment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now, he didn't have any furniture, he or electricity. He

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slept on a bed of towels. That was his bed.

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In the depths of that, he started writing poetry, which

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then we know now were lyrics. By the way, My

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Own Prison peaked at number one on the Billboard Rock

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Charts and number.

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Speaker 2: One on the Modern Rock charts.

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Speaker 4: He woke up from a dream, wrote everything down, finished

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the song in about thirty minutes, and it's about him

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accepting responsibility for his bad decisions that put him in

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his own prison.

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Speaker 3: Try.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's go with song number two.

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Speaker 4: Song number two that I want to talk about is

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a song called torn.

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Speaker 2: Will Didn't Know Me.

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Speaker 4: This one is actually written by Mark Tremonte, who wrote

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the lyrics and the music.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, normally he's just the music. So Mark Tremonti he

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had actually been born I believe he was in Detroit,

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that's right, and grew up in Detroit. For the first

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part of his life was listening to Metallica and he

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was a metal guy, Anthrax and you know those the

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hard rocking bands. Then his father moved down to Florida

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where you know, ultimately he went to high school with

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Scott Stapp and he said, down there, people were listening

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to pop music.

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Speaker 4: You know, Milli Vanilli is what he mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that one specifically, Yes, another band that we covered

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on Are They Worth the Hate? Right? Go back and

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check that episode out. It's one of my favorites. But

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they I guess they knew of each other in high school,

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but they didn't. They were friends. They were hanging out

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in different circles. So ultimately, after Scott has his apartment

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rented by his grandparents, he ultimately gets job, starts making

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some money, gets a girlfriend, and the girlfriend introduces him

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to some new music. She introduces him to led Zeppelin

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and the Doors, and he absolutely falls in love with

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the Doors. And I got to say this, There's been

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a lot of comparison, Like it is a well known

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comparison that they are the great value version of Pearl

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Jam right, Like everybody says, he just sings like Eddie Vedder,

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which I don't know that he sounds any more like

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Eddie Vedder than Scott Weiland or Lane Staley. I just

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don't get it. But if you throw back further and

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look at the Doors, he also sounds like Jim Morrison.

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Does sound like Jim Morrison. And ultimately, later on, once he

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hit fame, he actually got to go with the surviving

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members of the Doors and sing with them. I can't

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so cool because you listen to him sing those Door

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songs and you're like, damn it, dude, isn't spot on.

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Speaker 4: Members of the Doors were like it was like Jim

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Morrison was on stage with us.

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Speaker 5: Again, riders almost into this world, into.

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Speaker 6: This like a Joe writers on the storm. There's a call.

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Speaker 2: He really hits. But that's his vocal style. And just

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because it happens to be similar to Eddie Vetter's, it's

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tragic that people will have to make a deal out

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of that one thing.

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Speaker 4: I will say Scott's stapp is very charismatic. He's very

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gifted as a singer. He's a great front man. But

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the lyrics to this song, because they were written Marchmonte,

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I thought this was interesting. He came home, he was

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like working as a cook at Chili's. Yeah, right, so

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these guys are about our age. He comes home, he's

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at an apartment. He wants to be a musician. His

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life is not going the way he wants it to.

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He smells like.

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Speaker 2: Chilies chicken tenders.

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Speaker 4: Right, he said he was smelly, gross, lost, and he

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and he wrote the song.

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Speaker 2: So after Scott finds his girlfriend, he gets into the doors,

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he reads that at some point Jim Morrison lived in Tallahassee. Right,

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So he decides that's going to be the key to

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my success, and so he ups and moves to Tallahassee

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and as it turns out, that's where Mark had moved

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to as well. They were both working in the food

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court at the local mall and they see, you know,

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recognize each other and ultimately get together and ultimately it worked.

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Speaker 4: It worked to the tune of millions of records ultimately

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and a date in Oklahoma City next week.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, they hit it off so well, they felt

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like that vibe that they both decided, this is what

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we've got to do. We have got to put a

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band together. So they go and they recruit Brian Marshall

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to play the bass, and they recruit Scott Phillips to

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play the drums, and they finagled deal with a local

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club called Floyd's to be the house band. According to

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the internets, it was we guarantee you two hundred people

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a night, right, Scott, You know when they do the

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is Wikipedia right, Scott's steps like, I don't remember guaranteeing

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two hundred people a night. But yes, it's true that

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we did play as the house for Floyd's. But all

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that they were doing was playing cover songs, which is

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what you do is a beginning band most of the time.

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But they had a couple of originals that they had

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put together, and so one night, as they're playing at Floyd's,

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the bartender hears them play these original songs. He calls

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up the club owner, Jeff Hansen and says, I need

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you to come over here. And Jeff is, I mean,

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this is you know, one o'clock in the morning, and

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Jeff Hansen is like, what's wrong? Why do I come?

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He's like, this band is playing some songs and I

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really think you need to hear it. And he's like, okay, okay,

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and he gets up and he goes over to listen

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to who at the time, I believe they were called

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Naked Toddler. Maybe there was a handful of names, that's right, Yeah,

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And he goes and listens and he's like, these guys

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are going to be famous. And he sells his interest

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in restaurants so that he can fund creating an album

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with at the time Naked Toddler right what ultimately would

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become Creed.

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Speaker 4: Mark Tramonte was talking about how one of the things

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that really led him to believe that Scotts Stabb was

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the guy.

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Speaker 2: Scott's Stab was going to be.

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Speaker 4: The guy that carried us as the quarterback for this thing,

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because they had been jamming with their buddies or whatever.

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As matter of fact, they were jamming on Living Color Nice.

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I gotta think it's culture personality. So Mark had a

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buddy who was playing on the drums, and one day

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he comes in. It's fifteen minutes late, and Scott's like,

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you don't have it, you don't have the heart, you

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don't have the decency to be here on time. You're out,

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And Mark's like, that guy's my friend. What are you

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talking about?

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Speaker 2: You know? But ultimately he sort of bowed to that

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intensity and said, well, this is how we're gonna go.

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This is what we're gonna do. I can say that

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we have not yet covered a band that didn't have

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at least one member of the band who is like that.

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There isn't a band that we've covered where all of

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the members are like, yeah, you know whatever.

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Speaker 4: Right, No, No, you gotta have somebody.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there is always a member that says, this is it,

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this is how we're gonna make it, and nothing else

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is gonna get in our way. Yeah, and if you're

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not in, you're out. Wait for the next song. Yeah,

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let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Next song is called What's This Life for.

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Speaker 5: Child? Then makes through if there's anyway.

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Speaker 2: Because Okay, so this one, I got to address the

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elephant in the room that I've already touched on a

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little bit, and that's the idea that this is a

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Christian band, Okay, because he's writing music based upon how

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he grew up right and his own struggles. And I

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got to say, this was one of my favorite songs

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because I'm these guys h like, these guys were all

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born in the early to mid seventies, which is when

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I was born, and so he's going through the same

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struggles that I am, looking for meaning and that sort

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of thing. And so because of his religious upbringing, and

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I can tell you it was a lot more religious

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than mine, he's asking the same questions that I was asking.

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But on their debut album, part of the chorus of

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this song is but they ain't here no more, don't

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have to settle no g D.

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Speaker 1: Score.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you there are no quote unquote Christian

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bands that have God D a m N in there lyrics.

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Speaker 4: They're not gonna play that at worship time on Sunday morning.

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This is the third single off My Own Prison. This

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actually reached number one on the mainstream rock charts stayed

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there for six weeks.

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Speaker 2: This is a great song man. So far, all these

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songs are just bulls eyes for me? Have you seen

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the video for this? Which one is this?

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Speaker 4: This is the one they shot in Joshua Tree National

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Park in California, and the director is like, I want

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it to be like Creed is playing so passionately that

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it changes the weather. So at first the video is like,

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you know, desert set, and then rain blows.

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Speaker 2: In and it's a massive rainstorm. Okay, so this is

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the same.

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Speaker 4: Guy who directed the higher video and then I don't

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know if you remember five for Fighting the Superman It's

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Not Easy song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he directed that video as well. Okay, I love

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that song as well.

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Speaker 4: This was featured in the movie Halloween H two to

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Oh you remember that well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it just came out like five years ago.

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Speaker 4: No, No, the no from ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: Oh this was something else. Well, So this was Jamie

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Lee Curtis's first return as LORI. That's the one that

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I was thinking of. I guess I just am old.

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And time has gone by five years ago means actually

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twenty five years ago, right exactly? That was five years ago.

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What we talked a little bit about it.

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Speaker 4: But as they were building this demo, because all these

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songs were initially on a demo, It's kind of like

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the collective soul story, right, But they would piece it together,

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you know. Each week, one guy was responsible for kicking

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in one hundred bucks yeh to make their demo, and

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they would pay their producer, Jeff Kurtzman a little bit

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out of time just to kind of build this on

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his own free.

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Speaker 2: Time, like thirty bucks an hour.

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Speaker 4: I remember one song in particular, Scott said he looked

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around and he was in a room with bunk beds

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and there's toys on the floor. Yeah, you know, but

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Scott tried a get rich quick scheme. Yeah, he got

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involved in some pyramid scheme. He's gonna like, hey, I'm

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gonna double the band's money here real fast.

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Speaker 2: Huh. This one he's got the reputation for being a

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bit of a douchebag. Hey, I understand if you want

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to make an investment on behalf of the band, but

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if you're going to do that, you talk to the

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band about you don't just go, hey, guys, surprise, bad news, everybody.

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I lost all of our money, like like three thousand

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dollars and so Jeff Hanson has to go ask for

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a loan from a buddy just to finish this album.

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That's right.

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Speaker 4: Jeff Hansen is the guy who talked the radio station

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into playing my own Prison for the first time. He

476
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,119
did what a manager does, right.

477
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: But for Jeff Hanson, we would not have creed. He

478
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,839
was there to sign them, he was there to promote them.

479
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:01,920
He was there to save them when Scott lost all

480
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,640
of their money, and he was the guy who was

481
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,319
out there pushing their product to get them played on

482
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,720
the radio. And the DJ who he gave it to.

483
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,680
I saw the interview. The DJ said it was unlike

484
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,480
anything I've ever seen. The song wasn't even over and

485
00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:20,200
we had calls pouring in asking about this. It's a

486
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,240
great song man. Yeah.

487
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 4: By the way, this song is written about Mark Tramonte's

488
00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:27,359
childhood friend who committed Suicide's tragic Okay. Next song on

489
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:47,240
the album is called one.

490
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 5: Before Honor Maybe.

491
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,559
Speaker 7: Just Deal Basic problem.

492
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,279
Speaker 5: Dear two over.

493
00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:51,319
Speaker 2: Okay number one. I love the song number two. This

494
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,480
song is not politically correct, Okay, take from one give

495
00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:59,880
to another, society blind by color? Why hold down on

496
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,279
to raise another? I think that this song is a

497
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:06,519
reaction to affirmative action. Could be wrong about that. I

498
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,000
think that what he says is that we should be

499
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:12,480
unified and we should be color blind. Yes, And I

500
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:16,519
think that what he's saying is the actions that have

501
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,839
been put into play largely in the late nineties are

502
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,880
not a unifying action but a separating action. Interesting. Okay,

503
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,720
here's what I do know.

504
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,319
Speaker 4: This was the fourth single released off of My Own

505
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,440
Prison and reached number two on the Mainstream Rock chart.

506
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:43,720
This was a song that Scott Stapps sang while in

507
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:45,720
the room with bunk beds and toys on the floor.

508
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 2: Right, So it's important to know that their original production

509
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:52,799
is not the one that had all of these big

510
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,279
hits and big sellers. Right. They had this album that

511
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:58,519
they had produced themselves, and they sold all of those

512
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:02,359
copies that they had, six thousand copies, and they sold

513
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,119
them all so good he made his money back. But

514
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,920
ultimately they had to get signed by a record label

515
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,440
before they were going to hit the charts like they

516
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,519
were hitting. And so it turns out one of their shows,

517
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,599
a lady named Diana Meltzer goes to the show and

518
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,720
she's like, these guys are freaking awesome. And her husband

519
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,680
was a guy who had started up a company called

520
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,119
wind Up Records. His name was Alan Meltz and his

521
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,160
wife sees the show and she's like, these are the

522
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,559
guys that you need to sign. So literally, this is

523
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,799
a brand new record label that doesn't have any indication

524
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,920
of success at all. And I had heard several times

525
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,079
that there were, you know, fourteen record labels that had

526
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:47,279
passed on Creed, but ultimately this one signed it because

527
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:50,799
they're a little, no name, brand new record label. Mark

528
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,240
said no, that's not true. He was like, we had

529
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:57,880
a couple of record labels that said no, but it

530
00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:02,240
was a pretty quick turnaround. So Alan agrees with his wife.

531
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,960
They say, we want you to sign with wind Up Records.

532
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:08,960
And so the boys, being you know, young twenty something guys,

533
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,480
are like, this is it. We've made it. We've been

534
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:14,960
signed by a record label. And so Scott's stapp says,

535
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,000
we are going to sign it in blood, right, and

536
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:22,400
so he like he gets this rusty whatever to cut

537
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,680
his hand and sign in blood, and he convinces Brian

538
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:28,240
and Scott to sign in blood, and Mark's like, I'm

539
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,359
not a lady cut that's ridiculous, and so they send

540
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,200
the record contract over and they're like, it's signing red

541
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,559
that voids the contract. You're gonna have to resign this.

542
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,000
And so yeah, they had signed it in their blood

543
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,559
and then had to resign it because it was a

544
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,559
void contract. That's hilarious. I got a quick funny story

545
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:47,519
for you. Did you hear the lollipop story? I have not.

546
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,160
You told me don't let me forget the lollipop story,

547
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,519
and I'm like, I'm not going to explore that. I'm

548
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,440
going to let myself be surprised. Okay.

549
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,799
Speaker 4: So I heard him being interviewed and a guy said, hey,

550
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,200
has anybody ever thrown anything at you on stage?

551
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,839
Speaker 2: You've been hit within thing. He's like, oh yeah, oh yeah.

552
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,000
This is Scott's Stap talking.

553
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 4: Scott Stap said the one of the worst ones was

554
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:09,720
somebody threw a lollipop from the upper deck and he

555
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,880
said his drummer could see it coming. And Scott's like, listen,

556
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,279
I'm very active on stage.

557
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:16,839
Speaker 2: I move around, I shake.

558
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 4: I bought my head, I bang my head, I move.

559
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: And I'm here, I'm there. He goes to hit me.

560
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: You've really got to be good because I move around

561
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,039
a lot and this lollipop was just going. He said

562
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:29,039
it hit him right in the temple and he said

563
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,400
it he's all stars, and it was like, I mean

564
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,319
it nearly chaoed him a freaking lollipop from the upper deck.

565
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: All right, we ready to go on to the next song.

566
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,680
So we need a new album, right this is This

567
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,000
was their debut album. So then the question is can

568
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,799
they come out with something good for their sophomore offering?

569
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:52,720
Can they go higher? Come on? That was too easy?

570
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,759
This song is called Higher.

571
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,319
Speaker 5: Woo Thee.

572
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:13,279
Speaker 4: This is one of the truly last great songs of

573
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:13,920
the nineties.

574
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,319
Speaker 2: It really is a great song and I love this song.

575
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,839
I would listen to this song over and over off

576
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,440
of this album. Have you seen the video? Yeah, I've

577
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,359
seen the video, So I think this is another chink

578
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,599
in the weight scale towards Scott steps douchebaggery. Okay, I

579
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,680
mean the video starts off with them back in the

580
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,000
dressing room and it's this very polished video and he's

581
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,599
in his pleather pants and his white wife beater that's

582
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,440
way too tight. Slow motion walk, slow motion as they

583
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:48,480
walk ignoring all of the incredibly gorgeous girls who were

584
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,119
funning over them. You think about what grunge did of

585
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,240
like bringing reality back to music after the leather pants

586
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,119
of the hair metal of the eighties. It's like we've

587
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,839
come full circle and these post grins and guys are

588
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,480
now in the leather pants again, and it's just douchey.

589
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,519
Speaker 4: So I did hear Scott say that he's embarrassed when

590
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:08,960
he goes back and watches this video.

591
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: Very well deserved embarrassment.

592
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, this song is a banger. I have a personal

593
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:34,759
story about this. I was at a very important football

594
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,160
game you went on to win the national championship, and

595
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,920
they had this real hard run in October.

596
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:39,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

597
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,799
Speaker 4: I was showed up at football stadium like seven o'clock

598
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:45,960
in the morning and this was thumping from the speaker's

599
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,000
first thing seven am, and I was like, this is

600
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:51,079
gonna be a great day.

601
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,079
Speaker 2: Man, perfect song to follow that journey.

602
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely red October, this song reached number seven on

603
00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,920
the Hot one hundred.

604
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,599
Speaker 2: This is from July twenty second, two thousand.

605
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: Okay Hire hits number seven peaks out number seven, number

606
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,960
six absolutely by nine Days Crickets.

607
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: I don't know who that is. Number five. I want

608
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,119
to know by Joe sounds familiar. Number four, It's Gonna

609
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:19,720
Be Me by n Sync, Well, okay, yeah, in Sync

610
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,640
was still right in the wave. I guess.

611
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 4: Number three Try Again by Ailiah Nope. Number two Everything

612
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,920
you Want by Vertical Horizon.

613
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:28,519
Speaker 2: That's a good song, okay.

614
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 4: Number one Bent by Matchbox twenty.

615
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: Okay, that was a decent song. There's a few familiar

616
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,759
faces there. Yeah, so sad the end of rock and roll.

617
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,599
Speaker 4: The genesis of this song is pretty interesting because they

618
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:44,920
would challenge themselves live to see if they could improvise

619
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,039
a song on stage, and they would start with the

620
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:49,839
drums and then the guitars would come in, and then

621
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,359
Scott was kind of expected to sing something. And they

622
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,880
would go back and they would watch video footage of

623
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,279
their concerts and they would say, Okay, that's a good idea.

624
00:33:58,359 --> 00:33:59,240
Let's further that one.

625
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: Okay, that one out.

626
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:02,759
Speaker 4: But this is one of those where like, well this

627
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:04,519
is really good, we need to flesh this one out

628
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:05,039
into a full.

629
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: Blown song, right. Yeah. So that's that's Mark's story of

630
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,079
how this song came to be. Okay, here's a Scott's

631
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:13,039
story of how the song. Scott was having dreams about

632
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:16,199
being chased by a gunman, like hiding under a bridge

633
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,639
chased by a gunman. It was nightmares that were freaking.

634
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,960
He was a recurring dream like. He couldn't get rid

635
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,639
of it, and so he started studying lucid dreaming, like

636
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,000
techniques to if you know what lucid dreaming is, control

637
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:31,320
your dream as you're dreaming. And so once he had

638
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,239
studied those techniques, he put them into play and he

639
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,199
was able to escape the gunman and feel safe. From

640
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,360
that time on, he didn't have those dreams anymore, and

641
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,039
that's what inspired him to write the lyrics to this song.

642
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 4: By the way, side note streets of Gold that is

643
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,679
a biblical reference Revelation twenty one, twenty one and then

644
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,840
a place where blind men see Yeah, gotta be Matthew

645
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,360
twenty verses thirty to thirty three, where she's this makes

646
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,800
imply mency biblical imagery again coming out in the song.

647
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

648
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 4: The interesting thing that I find about this, so Scott

649
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,199
has all these personal problems, which we'll get into here

650
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,400
in a second, but the band is finally now paying

651
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,480
attention to the lyrics because they're being labeled as a

652
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,679
Christian band, and they're like, what's going on here, Scott,

653
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,599
This was not our dream to be a Christian band, right,

654
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:23,480
Scott's like, well, I'm just writing what I'm writing, you know, right.

655
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's no way Scott could have been

656
00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:29,840
surprised by what people were saying of them being a

657
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,039
Christian band with is as much influenced God's not surprised

658
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:35,039
the rest of the guys because they are getting labeled

659
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:38,239
as a Christian band. But I mean, you can't call

660
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,760
the band creed and refer to God and religious themes

661
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,400
in basically all of your huge hits and not know

662
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:50,880
that some people are going to call you a Christian band.

663
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,920
But they literally put out a statement, Hey, we are

664
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:58,159
not a Christian band. You know, we have our own

665
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:02,119
beliefs and we write about those beliefs, but we do

666
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:05,440
not have an agenda. Christian band has an agenda to convert.

667
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,679
We do not have that. But yeah, they came out

668
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,119
and said very specifically, we're not a Christian band. I

669
00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:11,920
heard him say that.

670
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:16,159
Speaker 4: Basically, they were accepted by the Christian music community and

671
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,320
by the secular community, and that's part of the reason.

672
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: Why they sold so many records. Yeah, I hate to

673
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,360
leave this one so early. But we've got to press on. Yeah.

674
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,639
Great song. Next song we're going to talk about it

675
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:49,199
is a song called what If Bob in My head Man? Yeah? Well,

676
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,840
I mean I heard this one again for the first

677
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,559
time this morning. This was a great song to work

678
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:59,199
out too, sure, totally brought on the dead and bloated

679
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:05,199
vibes from stp Okay, the growley scream that comes in

680
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,199
when he starts singing seems very much. I think that's fair.

681
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,760
I am standing like a rose that somebody gave me

682
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,800
on my birthday. Death bad out about it still still

683
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:17,800
kills it. Yeah.

684
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 4: This was the second single, released January thirty, first, two thousand.

685
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,800
That beginning part sounds exactly like pant Black.

686
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 2: From The Rolling Stones. Oh yeah, very similar. Have you

687
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,039
seen the music video the song appears on the Screen

688
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:35,760
three soundtrack, widely regarded as the best of the Oh wait, no,

689
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,880
I'm sorry, worst of the scream movies.

690
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I didn't know there was a bad scream movie.

691
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: Better.

692
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 4: The video is really cool, So I watched it so nineties.

693
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:48,880
You really need to go back and watch it. It

694
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,320
starts off with David Arquette, who, of course is Rosanna

695
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,159
Arquette's brother Rosanna from the Toto video just in case

696
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,480
you remember that old episode.

697
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,599
Speaker 2: Sure, or if you want Courtney Cox's husband from Our

698
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,920
Friend's Soundtrack episode.

699
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 4: And Born in the USA episode, that's true. Yeah, but

700
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,159
it starts off with David Arquette, who's playing the character

701
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,239
Dewey Riley from the movie Scream, and basically all the

702
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,360
members of the band are killed by ghost Face throughout

703
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,280
the course of the video.

704
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: It's so nineties. It's it's cheesy. Doesn't he come? Like

705
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,920
he comes and grabs Scott's stap while he's like out

706
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,599
on a date and pulls him into a tree or

707
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,079
something like it. It's so ridiculous, ghastly.

708
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:29,519
Speaker 4: And then at the end of course, it's revealed that

709
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,119
the band is all playing a prank on their girlfriends.

710
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:34,199
Speaker 2: You know, Oh my gosh.

711
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,199
Speaker 4: So the video is kind of stupid, but the song rocks,

712
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,320
and it's so nineties. If you love the nineties, I

713
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,519
don't think you can control your smile when you watch

714
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:44,880
this video. All right, all right, let's move on to

715
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,559
the next one. Next song is called with Arms Wide Open.

716
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 5: Well L chose her. The news today.

717
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,679
Speaker 2: Serves my life.

718
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 5: Here's gonna change.

719
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,599
Speaker 3: I'll close my eyes.

720
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:12,119
Speaker 5: Began to prayer.

721
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: Them cheers and sounds amazing. It's hard to argue against

722
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:23,119
this song given that it is the biggest hit of

723
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:27,119
one of the best selling groups of all time. It

724
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,000
won a Grammy. It's huge, even the video. I remember

725
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:34,239
the video for this one, you know, even though I

726
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,199
wasn't watching MTV at that time, it was unscapable this song.

727
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:42,039
It really was unescapable, although I have a feeling deaf.

728
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:44,639
Dave managed to escape it, but it's down in his

729
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,840
cave with his run DMC.

730
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:51,119
Speaker 4: I absolutely love this song, so I'm perplexed that you

731
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:51,679
don't like it.

732
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: I don't dislike the song, Okay, I don't dislike the song.

733
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,199
Speaker 4: My oldest son, Gunnar, was born right around this time,

734
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:02,280
and when he he was born, I made some pictures

735
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:05,079
put it to this song, and you know, showed.

736
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: It to my family and so it's perfect.

737
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 4: It's this is a goosebump type of.

738
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 2: Song for me, right well, I mean, this is the

739
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,599
song that he wrote when he found out that his

740
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,440
wife was pregnant with their first child.

741
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 4: Absolutely Jagger, that's right. Her name is Hillary. Okay, they

742
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,599
were married, they're no longer married. I read online where

743
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:28,079
she was arrested for punching him with a cell phone.

744
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 2: Okay, which he may have had coming. He may have

745
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,920
had coming, that's true.

746
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially after seeing some of his drunken outbursts and stuff.

747
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: There's a whole lot of more chinks on on the

748
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:02,880
scale as time continues to move on. So before we

749
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,440
get away from this song in this video, yeah, I

750
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,760
love the song. It's beautiful, it's a it's a obviously

751
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,880
from the heart. He's excited about his first child, wanting

752
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,639
more for his son's childhood than he had growing up.

753
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:20,840
Take this world, take it by the hand. He wants,

754
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,159
he wants something better for his son, and that's that's

755
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:27,119
a beautiful thing. Yes, And obviously when things get really popular,

756
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,719
everybody wants to then jump on the hate bandwagon. But

757
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,360
I also got to say, watching this video, if you've

758
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,519
come out and said we are not a Christian band,

759
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,800
maybe I'm just going out to ledge here. Maybe putting

760
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,840
yourself in the video on a mountain with your arms

761
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:48,800
stretched out like Jesus on the cross is not the

762
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,800
best move to back up that statement. His arms are why.

763
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,199
I don't know why people are confused we're not a

764
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,960
Christian band. I don't know why. I'm were just saying

765
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,880
that it's Scott. We're not in rejod Dan Arrow here.

766
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,599
You know, you've got yourself post like Jesus in the

767
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:10,079
video on the mountain with the helicopter rotating around you. Yeah.

768
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:12,119
Speaker 4: I know that that was an irritant. I know it

769
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:15,039
was an irritant for Fred Durst from Limp Biscuit. I

770
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,760
know it's an iritant for Jeff Johnson.

771
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: He told me that Offspring, the lead singer, would wear

772
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,639
a shirt that said f Creed or Creed sucks or

773
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:26,320
something like that. I mean, everyone else in the rock

774
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,960
and roll community wanted to hate on this band because

775
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,119
we're not Christian. But let me come out with this

776
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,280
video where I am obviously Jesus on the cross.

777
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 4: Well and Scott's you know, he's been pretty open about it.

778
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,880
I think he's been very open about this that the

779
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,039
guys were confused, what's going on in our lyrics? Oh,

780
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,719
by the way, you're snorting cocaine, Like, what's going You're

781
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,360
not living this Christian life.

782
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: So this song was released in April April twenty fourth

783
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,280
of the year two thousand. Yeah, you mentioned Fred Durst,

784
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,360
So April May June. Three months later, they're in a

785
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,719
show together. Limp Biscuit is the opening act. Creed has

786
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,400
come on later and Fred Durst from the stage says,

787
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,800
f Scott stap he's a freaking egomaniac, and the feud begins, right,

788
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,800
if you don't want to appear to be a douchebag,

789
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:14,119
don't be a douchebag.

790
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 4: Well before revealing what we know later on, he was

791
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,880
bipolar and he had mental health issues that were coming

792
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,639
to the surface.

793
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 2: So let's hang on to that thought verse sec I

794
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,400
can I can feel your need to defend Scott, and

795
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,079
I understand that he.

796
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 4: Acted in a way that was very abrasive to a

797
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,119
lot of people. I do understand that. By the way,

798
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:36,960
the song hit number one on the Hot one hundred,

799
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,519
and I actually recognized two more songs in the top five.

800
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:44,480
Oh yeah, okay, So number three was Kryptonite by three

801
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:49,079
Doors Down Love It, fantastic song, absolutely another Christian Man.

802
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: Number two Madonna Music Music The Beat. I lost me

803
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,280
on that one, and then number one with Arms Wide Open. Okay.

804
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 4: That brings us to album number three. First song off

805
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:27,800
of album three is a song called My Sacrifice.

806
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:33,119
Speaker 5: My Pet, Your oil.

807
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,599
Speaker 2: This is the song that made me go by this album.

808
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:41,360
This is probably my favorite Creed song. I love it.

809
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:45,880
I love it too. It's melodic, it's rock, it even

810
00:44:46,079 --> 00:45:05,639
is beautiful yep. And it speaks to a belief that

811
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,920
we will share. So this song came out the single

812
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:11,199
was released before the album came out. Was released in

813
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,079
October of two thousand and one. The album comes out

814
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,400
later that November, maybe two weeks later or so, and

815
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,559
everybody is scarfing up this album because of this song. Yeah,

816
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,639
it's like people our age. It was kind of like mandatory,

817
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,519
like when you went to the airport, they made sure

818
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:30,639
you got your copy of Creed. Everybody owned this album. Yeah.

819
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,679
Speaker 4: This song deals with Scott's struggles with drugs and alcohol, Yeah,

820
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,199
which he battled for many years past this.

821
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:41,519
Speaker 2: But I mean, once again, this passes the goosebump test.

822
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:43,599
Speaker 4: They talked about how in order for songs to make

823
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:45,639
the album, they would test it and if it gave

824
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,119
the band goosebumps, that meant it was good enough for

825
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:48,480
the album.

826
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a breakdown in the middle of the song.

827
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:52,639
Let me play it for you real quick.

828
00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:12,679
Speaker 8: Well, uhes a abouvers who will.

829
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,639
Speaker 5: Rasty too.

830
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: I heard it a thousand times and game me goose

831
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,400
bums right there. Yeah, it's it's unquestionably a fantastic song.

832
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:33,800
It again, I mean, legitimately flies in the face of

833
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,079
this idea that they're not a Christian based band, But

834
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:39,920
I don't care because the song is so incredible and

835
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,679
again it speaks to the struggles that Scott is going through,

836
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,840
like when you're with me, I'm free, when you're not,

837
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,559
I'm not. I mean, it's a very important concept to

838
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,119
his heart and mind and spirit.

839
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 4: It's a spiritual song. Yeah, this reached number four on

840
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,519
the Hot one hundred. I recognize two the songs in

841
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:03,679
the Hot one hundred Top five two thousand and two,

842
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:05,119
which is pretty amazing.

843
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

844
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:09,159
Speaker 4: Number five is In the End by Lincoln Park, great song, right,

845
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,400
Number four is My Sacrifice. Number three is Always on

846
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:16,960
Time by Jarroul. Number two is How You Remind Me by.

847
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,079
Speaker 2: Nickelback of course, of course, and number one is You

848
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:23,119
Got It Bad by Usher. Well, okay, I mean I

849
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,880
know of that song. So yeah, that's a decent top five.

850
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, this song is so old that they actually played

851
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,079
it on some of the Human Clay tour dates.

852
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, as amazing as this song is. This is

853
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,880
the time period where we see Scott really starting to

854
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,760
slide down that slippery slope that allows everybody to jump

855
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,440
on the let Me Hate Create bandwagon. They're immensely successful.

856
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:52,639
They portray themselves as Christian. But Scott's got a massive

857
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:56,119
drug and alcohol problem, right And then what happens is

858
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,320
he is in a car wreck as he's going to

859
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,920
record with the band. He is in a car wreck

860
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,480
right around the same time, right around two thousand and two.

861
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,880
It seems minor at the time, and he doesn't realize

862
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,360
that he's hurt, which is not I mean, genuinely, I

863
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,480
have plenty experience with this. It's not unusual that you

864
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,039
don't feel hurt when you have a car wreck and

865
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:17,400
then later on develop pain from the injuries that you

866
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,239
didn't know you had. But the law enforcement comes to

867
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,119
do the report, they note that there are no injuries

868
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:25,400
and that's like one thousand dollars worth of damage or whatever.

869
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:28,760
But then later on he develops these neck pain, back pain,

870
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,840
and they cancel the next twenty dates that they have

871
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:36,880
on their tour over this, which, of course everybody latches

872
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,320
onto and like, oh, no injury in the car wreck,

873
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,800
but they're going to now cancel twenty dates. And then,

874
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,920
as as you've mentioned before, the car wreck, he's doing

875
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:47,719
his own drugs and alcohol. When he starts doing the

876
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,599
pain meds, he flat out says, I did not drink

877
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:52,639
alcohol because I thought that that was going to be

878
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:54,639
a bad combination. But that just meant that I was

879
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:56,199
going to do a lot more of the pain meds.

880
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:59,559
And so he becomes addicted to the pain meds instead

881
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,960
of to the drugs and alcohol that he was doing before,

882
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,519
which becomes even more difficult for him to overcome.

883
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:08,599
Speaker 4: Before we get into all the fallout from that, the

884
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,880
song for the video that he was on his way

885
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,559
to when he got in that car accident is the

886
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:15,800
next song we're going to talk about.

887
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: Well, let's see it. That song is called when Last Breath.

888
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,599
Speaker 5: Please Go a Thirk.

889
00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 7: Sam Aphound Nowhere, I'm Change Juice, I Got a Battle,

890
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:45,480
when her fuller bottle down, last Word.

891
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,119
Speaker 5: And we're the lensson nermous.

892
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,519
Speaker 2: I defy you to say that that is not a

893
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:58,159
great song as well. This in any day of the

894
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,239
week is in the running for a number one Creed song.

895
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,559
For me, this song routinely will make me tear up.

896
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,239
I can see your eyes are watery right now. I'm

897
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:12,199
just I mean, the emotional struggle that he is describing

898
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,840
is something that so many people go through, and it's

899
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,320
just it's hard, and the life is hard, and this

900
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,400
is talking about is it worth it? Right?

901
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:23,159
Speaker 4: Six feet It's not really that far down. I mean

902
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:28,360
he battled with suicide, depression, anxiety, heartbreak, drug addiction.

903
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,559
Speaker 2: This guy's been through it. Yeah.

904
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 4: This is the third single off of Weather, released to

905
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,760
April of two thousand and two. This hits number six

906
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,760
on the Hot one hundred. I don't know any of

907
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,039
the songs in the top five, okay.

908
00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: Right, the band got together.

909
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 4: They wrote this in his living room, Scott steps living room,

910
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:47,519
and also on his c Ray Cruiser. So I guess

911
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:50,159
it wasn't all bad all the time, but it was

912
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,000
written at a time when the band was falling apart.

913
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: And like we said, on the way to.

914
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 4: Shoot the video, if he watched the video, he was

915
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,280
in a car wreck where he hits his head on

916
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,079
the windshield. He breaks a couple of discs in his

917
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,360
back that ultimately gives him medical trouble for a long

918
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,920
time and causes more pain addiction problems and ultimately was

919
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,800
a terrible day and a terrible decade after this an

920
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,360
amazingly beautiful song.

921
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I got to say this in the Shirly

922
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:34,800
Text group that we have. One of the things that

923
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,239
I like to do when I run into epic cover

924
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,559
versions of songs is I will send it on to you, guys.

925
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,400
I love hearing the epic covers of various songs. I

926
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,920
talked about it. I said the Kiss song from The

927
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:50,199
Fall Guy, I was made for loving you. I was

928
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,599
made for loving you. I love it, you know. It

929
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,360
gave me a little more love kiss, which I don't

930
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,440
really love at all. So that wasn't too hard. But

931
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:01,679
Tommy Prophet and Nicole Rono came out in two thousand

932
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:04,719
and two with an ep called The Creed Collection, and

933
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:07,679
they have a cover version of with Arms wide open,

934
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,000
of Hire, of One Last Breath, and of My Sacrifice.

935
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,639
But one Last Breath is the first one that I heard,

936
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,800
and I was like, oh my gosh, could they have

937
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,599
made the song better? It's so beautiful to hear a

938
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,360
woman seeing me in this song with an orchestral background

939
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:23,280
and his.

940
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 9: Grace a cryd hem save me when I'm down to

941
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:45,079
last pray him with me, save me six feet from

942
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:53,039
me a month akain, maybe six feet a soul far.

943
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: So tell me you couldn't imagine that one playing at

944
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,960
the opening of a gam Bond movie. Oh definitely. It

945
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,480
sounds like the Billie Eilish song No Time to Die exactly.

946
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:07,519
By the way, guys, if you haven't listened to it,

947
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:11,119
go back and check out our Bond theme draft that

948
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,519
we did with some of the coolest podcasters in the world.

949
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,880
That Jason did with the coolest podcasters in the game.

950
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:20,320
I was I was absent that day and I get

951
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,519
to just enjoy it on the headset like everybody else.

952
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,639
It was Jason and a bunch of cool podcasters. Oh

953
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:26,639
that's beautiful. I love it.

954
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:28,679
Speaker 4: I mean, it's such a great song, such a beautiful

955
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,800
song and again, deep meaningful lyrics. All right, let's go

956
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,239
on to the last song leased from Weathered, and the

957
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,880
last song would get from Creed until two thousand and nine.

958
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:55,360
That song's called Weather. So this song was released November

959
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,719
of two thousand and two, nearly a year after the

960
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,960
album was released, reached number seven the stream rock charts.

961
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: Again.

962
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:04,159
Speaker 4: Lots of religious imagery in this song, and it's the

963
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,480
last single we have for nearly a decade.

964
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a different sound for them. They've got

965
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,119
the drop D tuning and they've got a very bluesy

966
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,079
sound on this one, which I dig a lot. This

967
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,320
was not one of my favorites, but to go back,

968
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,760
I'm like, oh, I kind of I forgot about this one,

969
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,039
but this is a good memory once I listened to

970
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:23,679
it over again.

971
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,119
Speaker 4: Once Creed breaks up in two thousand and four, the

972
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:31,000
rest of the guys from Creed minus Scott's stabb create

973
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:32,880
another band called alter Bridge.

974
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So two thousand and two up to two thousand

975
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,320
and four, as we've said, Scott is abusing these pain

976
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,920
meds that he's on and it's causing a lot of

977
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:46,880
trouble with the aband's ability to perform well. As a

978
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,519
matter of fact, in two thousand and two, it really

979
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,639
comes to a head in Chicago. They put on a

980
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:57,079
show and Scott, according to the fans, is so out

981
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:00,159
of his mind on these drugs that he would is

982
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:05,440
just laying on the floor rolling around. Just the most

983
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:10,079
dismal show you could expect this band to perform. And

984
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:12,559
the band even like comes out with a public statement

985
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,000
a little while after the show that we're like, hey,

986
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:18,280
we realized this was a little different show than you

987
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,280
might expect to hear from us. But you know, congratulations,

988
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,559
maybe it'll be a historical event. Well, yes it was,

989
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,880
because the fans then formed a class action and sued

990
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,360
the band and ticket master and the venue for giving

991
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,159
them a crappy show, Like, we paid a lot of

992
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,440
money for these tickets and this is what we had

993
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,400
to watch. Which when I heard that, I was like,

994
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:45,119
what the heck? And then I heard the judge judge's

995
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:48,119
ruling when he dismissed the case, which was, you're not

996
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,199
guaranteed a good show when you buy a ticket. That

997
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,159
was what I thought. I'm like, yeah, that's right, that's reasonably.

998
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 5: You get what we give you.

999
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,559
Speaker 2: You buy a ticket. It's just like any other ticket.

1000
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:00,679
I mean the movie. You might have bought a ticket

1001
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,199
to show Girls, you might have bought a ticket to

1002
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,719
Jaws three D. You might have bought a ticket to

1003
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,519
The Last Action Hero. But guess what, you don't get

1004
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,079
your freaking money back. That's it, that's right, Yeah, you

1005
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:15,320
don't have a guarantee of a good show. But again,

1006
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,400
this is we see the Downlroad Spiral, and like you said,

1007
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,719
two thousand and four, the band quote unquote breaks up

1008
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,840
but goes on a hiatus. The only member of the

1009
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,440
band to not be in the next band is Scott

1010
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,159
Staff and that says something. So they have altered bridge.

1011
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,119
He starts doing some solo projects where he sounds exactly

1012
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,960
like Creed sounded before, which you would expect. He ends

1013
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:42,239
up on this show on Spike, the channel Spike. You

1014
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,239
remember that chat I do. Yeah, it is a casino

1015
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,079
cinema or something like that, and he trashes his bandmates.

1016
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:53,760
He trashes Dave Roll, Dave Groll's penis I believe to

1017
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:59,119
be specific little Dave. He makes some kind of inappropriate comments.

1018
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,480
And as to Howard Stern's wife, I watched this. It

1019
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:04,519
was horrifying.

1020
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's trying to kiss her and he is so

1021
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,719
clearly out of it, like it's humiliating.

1022
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: Well, he's acting like what I mean, he's acting like

1023
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:17,280
a thirteen year old teenager needs to be smacked. Yeah,

1024
00:57:18,119 --> 00:57:19,960
go read the Bible. Howard Sertain needs to punch his

1025
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:24,239
lights up. Go copy Proverbs. Then two thousand and five,

1026
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:30,079
he's at a Baltimore hotel, sees the drummer for three

1027
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:34,320
eleven Chad Sexton, and Sucker punches him. What right did

1028
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,360
he think he was limbiscuit? What happened? I don't understand that.

1029
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:41,000
Two thousand and six, he gets remarried and he gets

1030
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:44,960
arrested while trying to board the plane to his honeymoon

1031
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:49,400
because he's creating a huge scene. And then also in

1032
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:53,920
two thousand and six, the infamous kid Rock tape comes

1033
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:59,039
to light. Then I guess he must have really kind

1034
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:02,039
of gotten his stuff together. He realized that like what

1035
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:05,039
he was doing, because keep in mind, his son is

1036
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:08,960
now almost hitting teenage years at this point, and so

1037
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,679
he knows what's going on with all of this craziness,

1038
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,119
and so he's like, I feel bad about what I'm

1039
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:16,639
doing my son. His wife had filed for divorce, and

1040
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:19,679
two years later it must have been effective because he

1041
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,400
gets back together with Creed and they release full circle.

1042
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,400
They do. You would think that he's gotten his crap

1043
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,039
together well temporarily, As we said, he seems to be

1044
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:34,880
a roller coaster of stuff. Well, can I pile on

1045
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,039
for a second? Go ahead?

1046
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 4: So, thankfully, in twenty fourteen, he gets diagnosed by a

1047
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,800
doctor atter rehab clinic of having bipolar disorder.

1048
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: You ready for this? I got details from yeah? Okay.

1049
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:51,199
Speaker 4: So he makes all these really weird videos and posts

1050
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:54,519
them to the Internet, things like the irs is frozen

1051
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:56,800
my account, and I'm penniless, and I'm living in a

1052
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,239
holiday inn and I'm homeless, and there's angels living on

1053
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,559
the hood of my car. He also calls the White

1054
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:07,679
House because he believes that President Barack Obama has been

1055
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,000
kidnapped and that he was hired by the CIA to

1056
00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:14,400
either rescue him or kill him. We're not sure which,

1057
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:16,800
and these, I mean, these are all crazy thoughts in

1058
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:17,239
his head.

1059
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:21,639
Speaker 2: He puts together a crowdfunding campaign because he's homeless and

1060
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,440
broke where he's he wants to build his new album

1061
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:28,239
and write a book, and so he asked for four

1062
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,039
hundred and eighty thousand dollars. If you guys will send

1063
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:33,199
me four hundred and eighty thousand dollars, I will put

1064
00:59:33,239 --> 00:59:37,280
together a kick ass album and a fantastic book for you,

1065
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,239
I promise. Okay. Yeah, he said he thinks the CIA

1066
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:44,519
is conducting mind control experiments on him. He believes his

1067
00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:48,400
family is the center of isis isis Yeah, he sends

1068
00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:54,000
his wife texts where he says he could talk to

1069
00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:57,280
God and that God was warning him about the DAA

1070
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:02,199
for some reason, and also that Alcoholics Anonymous is a

1071
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:06,440
CI operation and that they have biological weapons being deployed

1072
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:11,920
in Florida. She promptly files for divorce. Yeah reasonably so yes,

1073
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,400
But ultimately they don't go through the divorce and they reconcile.

1074
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:20,199
Speaker 4: He meets a doctor who diagnoses him with bipolar disorder.

1075
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,719
They get him hooked up on the right medication. I

1076
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,320
saw him on Doctor OZ with his wife and this

1077
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:28,280
doctor basically saying, look, I got everything under control.

1078
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: So by twenty seventeen he was of sound enough mind

1079
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,199
that the guys from the band Aret of Anarchy, who

1080
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,559
had just lost their lead singer, Scott Wiland from his

1081
01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:42,199
drug overdose, they want Scott Stapp to come and be

1082
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,480
their lead singer in his place, and so he hooks

1083
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:47,960
up with them, and then they sue him because he

1084
01:00:48,159 --> 01:00:51,599
refuses to help promote the album, refuses to shoot promo videos,

1085
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:55,239
refuses to tour with the band, which is I mean,

1086
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,440
that doesn't sound good. But they had also sued Scott

1087
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:02,199
Wiland for the same things. But here's the rest of

1088
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,320
the story on that. So Scott's band, his solo project band,

1089
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,840
rents some buses for their tour, and one of the

1090
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,159
buses that they rent is the bus that Scott Weiland

1091
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:17,159
overdosed in. Oh my gosh. Scott's staff to this day

1092
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,559
believes that he had a conversation with Scott Wiland's ghost

1093
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,440
inside of that bus. And what did he say. He

1094
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:27,639
didn't see him, He just heard his voice. But basically

1095
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,440
it was just a you could do this, you can

1096
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:31,239
make it. You're gonna be all right, don't do what

1097
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,519
I did. Okay, last story, last story. This is the

1098
01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:37,960
last douchebag Scott story that I'm gonna tell. Okay, I promise.

1099
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:42,760
So he, even though he's married, starts communicating with the

1100
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:48,079
girl online. Oh yeah, and she convinces him to come

1101
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,760
meet her at a Denny's so that they can have sex.

1102
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,119
He drives two hours to get laid. He goes into

1103
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:57,960
the Denny's and yeah, you're kind of discounting the moons

1104
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,079
over MIHAMI dish well there is that. He walks into

1105
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:05,559
the Dennis only to have the entire restaurant turn and

1106
01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:10,960
look at him and go creed socks. Oh gosh, No, sex. No,

1107
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:14,760
moon's over my Hammi. He goes home empty, stomached and

1108
01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:19,079
sad and lonely. All right, So let's get down to it. Okay,

1109
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:24,039
Is Creed worth the hate? The short answer to the

1110
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:30,800
question is no, simple no. Scott's staff has obviously had

1111
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:33,880
a lot of crappy things. Yeah, he's made a lot

1112
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,119
of very bad decisions. He's disappointed a lot of people.

1113
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:41,239
And I know that what you're gonna say is, well, yeah,

1114
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,760
but look at every other rock and roll artist that's

1115
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,719
out there. They all have these debauchery lives. You know.

1116
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:51,119
The Eagles would towards their hotel rooms, Motley Cruze would

1117
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,480
die from drug overdoses and kill drummers of great bands

1118
01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:59,960
in their drunk driving escapades. Yes, but none of those

1119
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:03,960
guys were referring to Jesus and the Cross and God

1120
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:06,960
on a routine basis in their songs. And so the

1121
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:10,760
dichotomy there is what allows people to jump on the

1122
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,840
let's hate on Scott's stap bandwagon, which I don't want

1123
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,199
to jump on that bandwagon. I haven't made as many

1124
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,679
bad decisions as he's made, or as big in public anyway,

1125
01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:23,800
but I certainly have made a lot I'm far from perfect.

1126
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,239
I hope I'm not as big of a douche as

1127
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,960
he comes off to be. I can understand why, especially

1128
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:34,079
Amandaganic will immediately jump on the Scott Stap. Don't make

1129
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:36,800
me listen to anything that he says or sings. I

1130
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,480
can understand how he can be a very disappointing guy.

1131
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,800
But when we go back and we just listened to

1132
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,679
we didn't even listen to all of their charting songs.

1133
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,360
We listened to the best of the best, and they

1134
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,159
are all amazing songs. There was not a disappointing song

1135
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:53,199
in the bunch. And I go back to what I

1136
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,480
said before. There was this movement by Rolling Stone and

1137
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:02,079
other media in the entertainment world to kill rock and roll.

1138
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,880
They wanted rock and roll dead, and because of their position,

1139
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:08,519
they likely killed it. And because of that, I hate

1140
01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:12,239
them far more. And I would give anything to have

1141
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,239
a band like Creed putting out new music right now

1142
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,480
that was so appealing, that was so good. I would

1143
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,119
love to have that instead of what we get from

1144
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,840
I forgot to tell I was about to say, TI,

1145
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:30,079
do you know this? No, Yeah, So Scott's Stap either

1146
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,199
jumped or fell off of a hotel balcony and was

1147
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,719
saved by the rapper Ti, who had no idea who

1148
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,719
he was. He just happened to be the guy that

1149
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,679
was on the ground whenever Scott hit fell forty feet yeah,

1150
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:46,440
like he would have been dead except for the rapper Ti.

1151
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:49,519
So Ti, thank you for saving Scott's stap. But back

1152
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:52,079
to my point, I would so much rather have a

1153
01:04:52,199 --> 01:04:54,920
rock and roll band like Creed putting out music today

1154
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,639
than what we have now. So not worth the hate.

1155
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 4: But I understand your answer makes me want to stand

1156
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,800
up and chair good because pretty much agree with you.

1157
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:09,559
Their music is phenomenal, and most of that is due,

1158
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:13,199
in fact, to Scott's amazing ability as a frontman and

1159
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,920
a lyricist. You combine that with Mark Tremonte's incredible guitar work,

1160
01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:23,039
and you've got this combustible mixture of killer, meaningful rock.

1161
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,280
And I love the songs. They give me goosebumps, they

1162
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,039
make me want to cry, they give me all the emotions.

1163
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 2: Scott's made a lot of mistakes.

1164
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:34,199
Speaker 4: He's disappointed a lot of people, including his fans and family,

1165
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,679
so I get why people are kind of down on him. However,

1166
01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:41,599
as a person of faith, I believe in redemption, and

1167
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:42,119
I think you.

1168
01:05:42,199 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 2: Can turn your life around.

1169
01:05:43,679 --> 01:05:46,679
Speaker 4: His story's not done, and I'm excited to see is

1170
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:50,639
going to happen, including maybe November two when we go

1171
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,760
see them in Oklahoma City.

1172
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:53,559
Speaker 2: I love to do that.

1173
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,039
Speaker 4: So no on Nickelback, No on Creed. Neither one are

1174
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:01,119
worth the hate. But I want to ask you final judgment.

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You're walking out the door, which catalog are you grabbing

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on the way.

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Speaker 2: Out the door? It depends on where I'm going. Okay.

1178
01:06:06,679 --> 01:06:09,800
If I'm going to have a long drive ahead of

1179
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me and I'm feeling in a contemplative mood and i

1180
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:17,239
need a little cry, I'm picking Creed. Okay. If I'm

1181
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,480
going to the gym and i need a song to

1182
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:24,440
kick my ass, I'm picking Nickelback. Really yeah, and full catalog.

1183
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,000
If I had to pick, if I can't say, it

1184
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:30,960
depends full catalog. I got to tip the hat to Nickelback.

1185
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They overcame because, like I said, I didn't own Nickelback albums.

1186
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:38,880
I did own the Creed albums, But upon the review,

1187
01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:43,079
Nickelback wins the day for me overall. Okay, I'm anxious

1188
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:47,079
to hear your review because you were a big Creed fan,

1189
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and you had virtually no experience at all with Nickelback.

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Speaker 4: I was familiar with their hits, but not their deep catalog.

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Speaker 2: I tend to like songs that make me feel good.

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01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:57,559
I like party rock.

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01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,679
Speaker 4: I like party rock more than sad rock. I think

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Creed's peaks are higher.

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Speaker 2: Forgive the pun. I mean, I really do think they're higher.

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Speaker 4: I think Nickelback's catalog is deeper. And I'm shocking even myself.

1197
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But if I'm walking out the door and I can

1198
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only grab one catalog for a road trip, I'm rolling

1199
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down the windows, turning up and thumping Nickelback the whole way.

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01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,119
Speaker 2: But I still love Creed. I can't help it. I

1201
01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:27,360
love them both, So nan is the decision they're not

1202
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:31,320
worth the hate more understandable for the hate on Creed, Yeah,

1203
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,159
I don't. I still can't figure out on Nickelback what.

1204
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:37,719
I don't get that hate at all. But we uh

1205
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:40,800
both Pick and Nickelback for the deep cut as well.

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Speaker 4: We want to hear from you, guys. What catalog are

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01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:46,280
you grabbing on your way out the door? Is it Nickelback,

1208
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:47,400
is it Creed?

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01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: Is it neither? Is it both? Tell us what you

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01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,280
think do what we got coming next week. Man. We're

1211
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doing a very unique thing because obviously we're at the

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01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,480
thirtieth anniversary of the movie Pulp Fiction, but we're not

1213
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,119
covering Pulp Fiction. We discussed it, but we decided not

1214
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:07,960
to r We are instead covering two of Tarantino's scripts

1215
01:08:08,199 --> 01:08:11,199
that were directed by other people, one of them being

1216
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:15,320
True Romance, which was directed by our hero Tony Scott,

1217
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:20,960
and the other directed by Oliver Stone called Natural Born Killers.

1218
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:23,560
We have to discussed Oliver Stone before. This will be

1219
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,000
an interesting one to get into. But these two movies

1220
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:31,279
are connected, even by Tarantino standards, more than any two

1221
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:33,840
movies I've ever heard, and you will get the full

1222
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,680
story on that when you come back for that episode.

1223
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We will not be done with Tarantino before the year

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01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,319
is up after those two episodes as well. We'll see

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you back here next week. Thanks guys,